Re: [expert] Gnomemeeting and Pixelview PlayTV Pak camera
On Wednesday 19 November 2003 07:50 am, L.V.Gandhi wrote: I have Pixelview PlayTV Pak TV tuner card which comes with camera connected to tuner card. I have to use windows for netmeeting or yahoo video conferencing because of this camera. has anybody used this camera in linux for gnomemeeting. i have mdk 9.1 in A7N8X deluxe MB and athlon 2400+ and 256 MB ram. might help to know the exact id of the card, so a 'lspci' might help. looks like most of their cards are bttv878 chipsets, so install xawtv, and run harddrake what sort of connection does the cam have to the the pci card? composite? I ain't sure, but the cam model might not make any diff, just getting the card recognized might do the whole works.., once v4l sees and uses that card, you should be good to go.. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Impending drive problem?
On Monday 10 November 2003 10:37 pm, Luca Olivetti wrote: Anne Wilson escribió: On Monday 10 Nov 2003 5:23 am, Michael Noble wrote: It has been a while since I last dd a disk drive (it is best to make them the same type and size). Assuming that the old disk is /dev/hda and the new disk is /dev/hdb the following command should work: dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb I've heard people recommend this before, but I'm not sure why this is better than cp -a ? I do remember that the last time I tried to copy a whole directory to a new partition I had some problems before I got it right, so I want to be clear before I start. http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hard-Disk-Upgrade/index.html suggests to use cp -a I used that howto many times (either to recover from disk failure or to prepare a copy of the current distribution to a different partition before an upgrade) and I found it very useful. Bye I recently upgrade from hdb being a dvd reader and hdc a 5 gig, and hdd a cdwriter, to a dvd writer at hdd and a 120 gig at hdc, in MDk 9.1. I plugged in the drive to the case, and I started the computer, fired up MCC, went to diskdrake and told it the change, and that I wanted to make a 45 gig /var/www. it asked if I wanted what was now in my /var/www copied over (of course I did, and it did fine), and I now have a separate /var/www from /var. have you just tried to see if you can just do it with out thinking about it and using the gui? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Bizarre postfix problem cant send mail
On Saturday 08 November 2003 05:41 pm, dfox wrote: Apparently I cannot send mail with my postfix on localhost to the network. Previously this was working fine and I don't see any changes made to my postfix configuration files. But in the last few days things have not gone well here. Firstly, my system was hijacked and used as an open proxy to send megabytes of spam to the network. :(. My isp filtered my outgoing smtp port and that is when I began to see a few errors in my /var/log/mail/errors file (unknown service tcp/smtp). After finding out about this, I tried to post to the list and I don't think any of my messages went out. first, since you must not have seen the pounds of answers you got to this, were you running squid? this seemed to be a user on your system, and not a postfix open relay. have you run chkrootkit? I had to go into /var/spool/postfix and start deleting a whole bunch of files in deferred - there was at one time seven megabytes of messages trying to get out! And those were the invalid addresses. I wonder how spammers survive -- I guess they just exploit other systems to do the dirty work :(. At the moment, My box is better secured thanks to portsentry (why isn't this program in mandrake I could not urpmi it, but I did find it through rpmfind.org and the source rpm built and installed fine. I tried running shorewall but got nowhere. I don't know how to edit shorewall files and I don't want something that won't even let me ping my gateway when installed. iptables is running because of portsentry but I don't see anything that is specifically tied to port 25. And in atcp mode it's supposed to ignore certain standard ports anyway. It seems like a catch 22 - if I disable the filters perhaps outbound smtp will work, but if I do that, I'm back to where I was before, and people will start targeting my box again. I counted 72 attempts of portscanning done in less than six hours, and 10 minutes after I restarted httpd I got spurious gets in my apache log files. I think this is how they got into my box in the first place, since I don't do much if any web stuff, and my log files are tiny - the other day they were over a megabyte. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Q: Powerpack Ed. download from the Club
On Thursday 06 November 2003 11:47 pm, Dean S. Messing wrote: snip et [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : I removed all the cd sources, and setup main, contrib, updates and plf : as sources via ezurpmi at plf. That's what I'm in the process of trying to do now. I'm struggling with urpmi on the commandline but I'll get it eventually. do this part from the GUI, much easier,imo, as root on the CLI, 'mcc', then or 'K menu,configuration, configure your computer,login as root,[now both are the same] software manglememt, software media mangler, high light the cd and hit remove In fact just to force the issue I gave the urpmi database a frontal lobotomy with `urpmi.removemedia -a'. So now I _must_ learn how to work urpmi! I didn't know that `ezurpmi' was working for 9.2. The big red message at the top of http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/ seems to say otherwise. I'll check it out. Thanks for help from both of you! Dean S. Messing Display Algorithms Visual Optimization Lab Information Systems Technologies Dept. Sharp Laboratories of America Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] help - my box might be a relay
do you run squid?
On Wednesday 05 November 2003 06:23 am, David E. Fox wrote:
hey - help!
it's seemingly apparent that in the last week or two there seems to
be an increasing number of mails of a dubious nature being sent to
a large number of bogus addresses by yours truly :(.
I'm not a spammer but it seems that my mailing system (postfix) is
misconfigured -- but I was under the impression that postfix was
relay-proof. I have seen evidence though of some chinese sites
masquerading as m206-157.dsl.tsoft.com, probably forging headers
somewhere along the line. It further seems that mail is injected here
and then attempts are made to send the sh*t off to other places.
I have not gotten any complaints but as of now 22:30pm pst 11/4 there is
approximately 2.3 megabytes' worth of mail trying to get out.
1) I want to simply remove these messages. How do I do this? I have not yet
come across a queue removal program - like lprm - for mail. Can (or should)
I just delete all the files underneath
/var/spool/postfix/{defer,etc,deferred, etc} - i.e, keep the directory
structure intact but do somehting like
find /var/spool/postfix -type f | xargs grep rm
Is that dangerous?
Secondly, using a fairly stock configuration for postfix, is there some-
thing I've missed? I can attach my configuration if needed. I have
basically kept the same one intact since I initially reinstalled 9.0
and upgraded to various levels of cooker over the past few months.
HELP ;)
David E. Fox Thanks for letting me
[EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns
[EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk.
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Re: [expert] Q: Powerpack Ed. download from the Club
On Thursday 06 November 2003 02:47 am, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: Dean S. Messing schrieb am Wed, 5 Nov 2003 17:58:40 -0800 (PST): When downloading the Powerpack Ed. from the Club do I need to also d/l the 3 distribution CDs (making six CDs total)? I ask because I only downloaded the 3 Powerpack CDs and I'm having all sorts of problems intalling the system. Apparently some packages I've selected in the individual package selection are not on the three CDs I burned so I have no way to continue when it asks forSources CD 1 or Applications CD. Problem is that the normal PowerPack consists of 7 CDs but the clubbies were only offered the first 3 CDs. So in package selection you are able to select packages which are on the commercial apps CD in the PowerPack but not part of the download. Simply speaking: You should not select any package which is in the hdlist of number 4-7. What can you do? First you can have a look at the CDs with any filemanager, Linux or Windows, no matter. Look into the directories RPMS and list the files there. Then avoid typical commercial software in your package selection. If you have chosen something that will make installer to ask you to put in a CD you don't have, click on Cancel. wobo I removed all the cd sources, and setup main, contrib, updates and plf as sources via ezurpmi at plf. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Compaq Proliant 3000 problem
On Saturday 05 April 2003 09:09 am, Bill Beauchemin wrote: After loading MDK9.1 on a Compaq Proliant 3000 server the server now shows that one processor has failed during bootup. The raid controller also comes up with an out of order failure. I went in using the Compaq configuration disks and got it to stop showing these errors untill i boo t into Linux. If I check using TOP it shows only 1 processor is running. When I go and reboot those errors show up again. This is a dual 400MHz PII machine with 512 Mb of RAM are you booting with the SMP kernel? -- Linux counter number 167806 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] GnomeMeeting video source
On Saturday 05 April 2003 09:35 am, Anne Wilson wrote: On Saturday 05 Apr 2003 3:27 pm, Damian Gatabria wrote: On Saturday 05 April 2003 11:06, Anne Wilson wrote: I want to set up GnomeMeeting, but have a problem with the video source. I have the choice of /dev/video0 and /dev/video1, with not possibility of entering another source so far as I can see. My camera is /dev/sdb, so I presume that I somehow have to create a /dev/video0 that is linked to /dev/sdb. Can anyone tell me how to do that, please? Anne Dis you try `ln -s /dev/sdb /dev/video0` ? or maybe a hard link? `ln /dev/sdb /dev/video0` .. HTH Damian Hi, Damien. I guess I'm not understanding this well. As a storage device it is seen as sdb1. As a pc camera, the hardware list just gives Vendor: Unknown Bus: USB Location on the bus: 0:11b Description: USB PC Camera Module: unknown Media class: The hard link was not allowed, and the symbolic link didn't work, so I must be going about this the wrong way. All ideas gratefully received. :-) Anne you might chectk to see what the complete /dev device is for the /sdb? what exactly was the error message? maybe the link format is backwards, or you need to link to something like /dev/video/video0... sorry I cann't check right this second as I am still in the process of tunning and installing 9.1 for myself. on the dual CPU (_my_ main box) and have not yet gotten around to getting the video working. -- Linux counter number 167806 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] IBM viavoice dictation for linux and Mandrake 9.1
On Thursday 03 April 2003 06:52 pm, Damon Lynch wrote: No I did not try the blackdown java. My experience with blackdown java from that time period was not good -- probably I had too many crashes from the boxed IBM version, which required it (the Mandrake 7.2 version required IBM's own java, which was far superior). heee, are you sure about that??? I just add the folders from the #4 powerpack 7.2 to the sofware sources and search for viavoice, it finds and installs it fine. the foldes I add are /Blackdown and /Viavoice I have found it does not work to copy those folders to the hard drive. Thanks and best wishes, Damon On Fri, 2003-04-04 at 11:31, Ed Tharp wrote: have you tried to install the blackdown java that was included on 7.2? that's what I have done in the past, I am just now getting around to using 9.1, so any info will be welcome - Original Message - From: Damon Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 12:05 AM Subject: Re: [expert] IBM viavoice dictation for linux and Mandrake 9.1 On Thu, 2003-04-03 at 16:57, Anne Wilson wrote: On Thursday 03 Apr 2003 2:50 am, Damon Lynch wrote: Hi everyone, If anyone can get the RPMs from the 8.2 powerpack going under 9.1, I'd be really glad to hear from you. I've tried 4 different java versions, and the closest I got to having it work was Sun's 1.3.1 and ALSA, but there was no mic volume going into the speakpad (even though it worked with 9.0, and it works with the audio setup wizard). Anything (Sun / IBM 1.3.1 / 1.4) with OSS is simply dieing on startup e.g. with Sun 1.4 jre: An unexpected exception has been detected in native code outside the VM. Unexpected Signal : 11 occurred at PC=0x401366FC Function=(null)+0x401366FC Library=/lib/i686/libc.so.6 Any suggestions? (BTW I'm currently running 9.1 RC2, until I get hold of 9.1 final). 8.2 and 9.x run different kernel and different libraries. I would not have thought that you would get 8.2 rpms working. If you need something that was not on your download, try plf. Sorry I actually meant 7.2, not 8.2. The C coded engine seems fine, as far as I can tell. The main problem is with the java coded GUI. Thanks, Damon Anne -- Damon Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] - --- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Linux counter number 167806 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] php not processed in MDK 9.1
On Monday 31 March 2003 04:17 pm, Baka Tamás wrote: Dear Experts :-) I have trouble with MDK 9.1. I tried both included Apachees, but neither process php files even though everything needed is installed. I state this as by installing phpNuke, all dependencies were met. Strange thing is that webmin works... doesn't it use php? Maybe if I could see a working system's httpd.config file, I could figure it out. Please help, 9.1 is just too fine togo back to 9.0 now :-( Thanx, Tamas Baka -- Linux counter number 167806 what is the document root? and where is /nuke? in httpd.conf change the document root to where /nuke is. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] 9.1 smp questions
I have upgraded to 9.1 from 9.0, the family boxes, with no hitch (celerys, 333, 500, 1200) and see no problems yet but those boxes are built to be linux friendly anyway. my real concern is _my_ SMP box (dual 1gig P111 coppermine) as the only posts I have seen mention problems with apic, which has worked like a charm for me. anyone got any info before I kick myself? if this thing would upgrade as smooth as the rest, I would be there yesterday, but the implemention of apic has me waiting on this box, as I will have to schedule the major backup and downtime to do a fresh install. so when some one gets it worked out, and can let me know, I would sure appreciate hearing. -- Linux counter number 167806 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] medion tv card
On Thursday 27 March 2003 04:22 am, Azrael wrote: I have a slight annoyance with my tv card. Now I don't just expect it to work with Mandrake, so I'm not complaining really ;) However during the install procedure for 9.0 all the 9.1 betas, and now 9.1 final my tv card is recognised as being a tv card. There is even an option to select it as being a Medion 4055 card. However when I boot into Mandrake, I have no tv card set up. Also trying to set one up tells me I have none. I am curious if the two procedures to find a tv card are different (if so why?) and also, if perhaps there is anything I can do to get the tv card working. Many thanks what happens if in a text console you type, without the quotes xawtv -- Linux counter number 167806 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Installing mdk9.0 / drakx kickstart problems
On Thursday 20 March 2003 03:38 pm, Bryan Whitehead wrote: Jack Coates wrote: On Thu, 2003-03-20 at 11:20, Bryan Whitehead wrote: ... After finally getting 9.0 installed (5 hours later), I noted that there is much less scsi drivers built for the BOOT kernel then other kernels. Why is this? Can't stage2 just have every kernel module built for completeness? What the hell is the point of including the mpt drivers in all the other kernels except the install kernel? IIRC, El Torito requires that you fit everything you intend to boot with into a floppy disk image, not to exceed 2M. All the SCSI drivers in 2.4.19 == 1.3M. That's not much room for everything else. Yea, but we don't need to worry about scsi driver till stage2. So this doesn't matter. stage1 just needs cdrom or network drivers. (of course your screwed if you have a new scsi card with a cdrom on it). or if you normally boot from scsi and not IDE, if I understand correctly. Basically it would be nice if one could have a mkstage1 command, and a stage2 that has all the drivers. Is there an easier way? (I sure hope I just did it the wrong/hard way) Not that I know of... I've heard of a number of different workarounds, but none of them look any easier than what you did :-) Is this fixed in mdk9.1? not likely. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Linux counter number 167806 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Off list for a while
On Sunday 16 March 2003 06:03 am, Anne Wilson wrote: On Saturday 15 Mar 2003 7:20 pm, civileme wrote: I was looking at the Mandrakesoft site recently and I saw a recommendation for folks to use MandrakeExpert rather than these mailing lists. I hate the web interface and It required a great effort with databases to keep up with the incidents when I was answering questions on the MandrakeExpert site. I guess the advantage of local copies in the email is pretty great. I respect Civileme's decision, and the reasons for it. However, as a user I am dismayed by this message. ManddrakeExpert is no substitute for the lists. I'm sure it has its place, but I personally have not found it helpful at all, even for a paid incident. That aside, however, I do want to say that I have pushed hard that one big reason for buying/using Mandrake is the value of these lists. Without them, or with them greatly emasculated, both newbies and transferee's would have a great deal more difficulty. If this is a prelude to trouble for the list, it is a big mistake. Anne Civileme has left the lists for a while in the past, and will again return (I hope and predict), and I think all the folks on the lists should take it as a great compliment that someone so in the know would consider that not being here would not be more detrimental to the Mandrake-Linux effort than being here. In other words, I take it as his saying that while Mandrake-Linux is less than perfectly capitalized at this stage, he believes that this list, as well as newbie, will be just fine, and when the Capital situation for the Company is improved, the whole effort will be reinvigorated, and in the mean time, he needs to be spending his time concentrating oh his own capitaization and looking for employment, even if it requires his relocation. I sure wish I could help him out in anyway, but I do not have any grewat contacts looking for IT employees, other than what he can find on Monster anyway. and I think he know's if he needs shelter durring a job search in our locals , how to contact us. We always miss his help and viewpoints, and wish him well. -- Linux counter number 167806 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] RPM Dependencies
On Sunday 16 March 2003 11:23 am, Arvid Poon wrote: Dear all, I tried to upgrade my glibc from Mandrake 7 by running 'rpm -Uvh glibc-' and got the following message : rpmlib(VersionedDependencies) = 3.0.3-1 is need by glibc-x How can I find that rpm ? I can't find it in speakeasy.rpmfind.net. And I can't find the related document in Google Best regards, Arvid this may not be the anser you want, but it is time to upgrade the whole distro if you are running 7.0 MDK. if you upgrade glibc then you will need to upgrade other stuff and then other stuff and it will just go on and on. you would be quicker even on a dialup, to download the gpl versions ISO and burn a new cdrom. it is just my opinion, but sure is a mess to upgrade that much, from that far aged. of course, back everything up first. -- Linux counter number 167806 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] ATI Radeon 8500 DVI + mdk9.0
On Saturday 15 March 2003 08:24 am, Charles A Edwards wrote: On Fri, 14 Mar 2003 19:44:57 -0800 Bryan Whitehead [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No I ment 9.0 The 8500 Is Not supported in 9.0 unless you use the linux driver from ATI. Charles or framebuffer??? -- Linux counter number 167806 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] KDE very slow in mdk9.1
On Friday 14 March 2003 03:49 am, James Sparenberg wrote: On Thu, 2003-03-13 at 18:56, Gary Hodder wrote: It is the latest as of a couple of days. It boots up ok and is quick in text mode. When running kde it starts loading ok, brings up the kde box and goes through those items and then it disappears. All that is left is the blue screen, its just stops there, 20 mins later still only blue screen. (All that blue screen needs is Death written on it and it would remind me of winblows). Gnome dies at a similar stage as well. He's trying different video cards so we'll see how that goes. Looks like i've a lot more downloading to do. Thanks Gary. Replace the line in /etc/hosts 127.0.0.1localhost with 127.0.0.1localhost.localdomain localhost and see if that brings it into line. James remember to restart the network about right here too as root without the quotes service network restart On 13 Mar 2003 15:07:15 -0800, you wrote: Gary If he's downloaded and run the last iso's for RC2 then yes KDE was slow... do the needed updates from the latest in cooker (keep doing through the weekend and you'll have 9.1 release!) and you should notice a very large improvement. On my 500mhz box here I run Ice but if I try to start Konq now it takes about 2 sec to start... so running in kde should be even faster. James __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Linux counter number 167806 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] ATI Radeon 8500 DVI + mdk9.0
On Friday 14 March 2003 05:41 pm, Bryan Whitehead wrote: Will Mandrake 9.0 work out of the box with this card? or do I need todo some extra hacking? I only need 2D. No hardware 3D needed. -- Linux counter number 167806 yes it works out of the box on the ATI 8500DVI installed in a box here. i have not checked 3d yet. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Boycotting MDL
On Thursday 13 March 2003 02:00 pm, Ric Tibbetts wrote: I'm making a statement of personal/political basis. I'm personally boycotting Mandrake Linux. When the French remember who their firends are, and support them, then perhaps this American will return, and support the French again. Until then, you can kiss my American dollars good-bye. Ric -- Linux counter number 167806 first, I would welcome further any OT discussion at [EMAIL PROTECTED] a Mandrake _users_ OT list. Ahhh, your killing me,,, (an American) I am laffing so freaking hard, talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face. who cares who's friend is who. use the stuff that works best. call it 'outboard motors if that's what you want and it makes you feel better. I will rewrap Mandrake's prosuite and sell it to you at 2x the price and you can call it liberty software. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] KDE very slow in mdk9.1
On Wednesday 12 March 2003 09:19 pm, Gary Hodder wrote: Hi all, my son's just loaded mdk 9.1 on his machine and finds kde runs very slow, much slower than 9.0. The machine is a celeron 400 with 96mb ram. I wont find out more till I get home. Are there any ideas that he could try in the mean time? Thanks Gary. -- Linux counter number 167806 fill in /etc/hosts save and do as root, service network restart Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] KDE very slow in mdk9.1
On Thursday 13 March 2003 05:54 pm, JOHAM,DAVID (HP-Boise,ex1) wrote: This might be the DHCP problem that was talked about today at some length. Is it 9.1 RC2? If so, you'll want to wait for 9.1 final or update the DHCP packages from cooker. I'm not sure which ones, but a reading of the archives will get you where you need to be. Look for HOSTNAME in your search. David -Original Message- From: Gary Hodder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 7:20 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [expert] KDE very slow in mdk9.1 Hi all, my son's just loaded mdk 9.1 on his machine and finds kde runs very slow, much slower than 9.0. The machine is a celeron 400 with 96mb ram. I wont find out more till I get home. Are there any ideas that he could try in the mean time? Thanks Gary. -- Linux counter number 167806 As I understood a lot of the discussion it boiled down to you should not have to edit etc/hosts to include an alias for either the server name or the loopback name so what works for me on rc1 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost 192.168.0.1 dads.tharp dads 192.168.0.16greybox.tharp is not really correct but as far as I can tell it works ok I think they said 127.0.0.1 localhost would be the correct entry, but it sure made stuff slow try it and let us/me know Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Extra USB internal connection on mobo
On Wednesday 12 March 2003 02:28 pm, Alan Wilter Sousa da Silva wrote: Hi List! I bought a mobo K7VM2 from ASRock and I must say that I'm satisfied. Although I still have two minor problems that I'll discuss in another opportunity. This mobo offers 6 usb slots. Four is present. Since some new cases has sound/usb connections in front face, and it seems that the pin plug to the internal usb slot on mobo is a standard (5+4 pins = .), I wonder if I could use a USB module with 2 ports from a old Asus mobo which has the same features present in the module of modern case, yet it'll be in the back case. Any thoughts would be welcome. Cheers, --- Alan Wilter S. da Silva --- Laboratório de Física Biológica Instituto de Biofísica Carlos Chagas Filho Universidade do Brasil/UFRJ Rio de Janeiro, Brasil there are/were a bunch of different pinouts for that connection, best to get with the MObo book to check pinouts. or go ahead and frie the box t see if it works, adn get back with us about it... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Simple question about netstat - not in man pages.
On Tuesday 11 March 2003 06:58 am, Adolfo Bello wrote: On Tue, 2003-03-11 at 03:50, Vox wrote: 0.0.0.0 = any On TCP/IP networking, 0 as any octet of an IP is, for all purposes, a universal globing. That's why I hate people who set their LANs to use 192.168.0.x as their IPs...it drives me crazy, even if it's valid :) Vox Hi Vox: I don't know if I understood what you meant by universal globing and why you hate 0 in IPs. As long as 0 is not the ending octet, it has no special meaning in IP addresses. The same applies to 255, or to any power of 2 number. Am I wrong or missing something? Saludos I don't think it was the ) that bottered him, I thought it was the x ET Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Slow FTP and POP3
And even more important to _me_, where did you find a hosting/co-location service using Mandrake? On Tuesday 11 March 2003 12:49 am, James Sparenberg wrote: On Sun, 2003-03-09 at 13:58, Miark wrote: It's me, O, Lord :-) I Googled the situation and found the answer: ident lookups. I have no idea what they are (right now) but I know that both POP and FTP were using and timing out on them. So I disabled them, and whamo--everything is fast again! Miark, where did you find this info... or better yet where did you mod to stop it happening. James Thank you, self. You're very welcome, self! Miark Roses are red, violets are blue; I'm schizophrenic and so am I. On Sun, 9 Mar 2003 15:25:51 -0500 Miark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a 8.2 machine co-hosted in a remote state from me. When I connect via the Web, SSH, or SMTP, it's fast. When I connect via POP3 I have to wait about 25 seconds, and for FTP I have to wait about 10 seconds. This has been the case for many months. There was a period of, perhaps a week when everything was fast. But then it reverted back to some fast, some slow. It didn't make sense that it was my box, so I did a traceroute and found a couple of places where things always slow down--all on UUNet, the network on which my box is hosted. I called them for help, but they wouldn't look into it because I'm not a direct customer. I then had my ISP call, and they were told that as long as the connection _works_ we don't give a damn how long we have to wait. My ISP said that if more people brought it to their attention that they might look into it. Of course I have no idea of _really_ knowing whether others have called about this. So I dunno. Any ideas? I'm really sick of waiting a half-minute to connect to my POP server. Miark __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] anyone know of a good hardware diagnostics tool for linux?
On Monday 10 March 2003 12:23 am, Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Sunday 09 March 2003 09:05 pm, David E. Fox wrote: Unless you're sure your case and cpu cooling is adequate, take the diag's in the above order. Otherwise go right to cpuburn. The acid test for cpu/cache/ram/PSU/motherboards. Someone also mentioned recompiling the kernel - using many gcc forks (make -j 100) as a good test for the system. Obviously you have to have enough RAM for that many simultaneous compiles, but it might be a good way to test the entirety of the emmory / cpu / bus environment. The others are good as well, but with the exception of memtest, they won't use a large enough portion of the RAM. For instance, cpuburn runs a *very* tight loop - it would easily fit in the CPU's primary cache. mprime does a little better - maybe 13-20 megs of RAM involved here. Eitehr way, if there's a RAM problem, cpuburn or mprime may never pick it up. The real difficulty is if there is a RAM problem, there's likely no way to tell where it is. But then the recourse is to just replace the module anyhow :). Reframing the original question: Are there any Linux programs for diagnosing problems with hardware subsystems? With the exception of memtest, it strikes me that everything mentioned to date in this thread is some form of stress test. While stress testing is useful to establish that the whole system is either OK or NFG, there are times when a more specific diagnostic is required. I'm thinking about something similar to the old CheckIt or PC Tools that I used back in the days of MSDOS 3.31. Or have these critters become so complex that it now takes a lab full of equipment to get any meaningful results? -- cmg checkIt and PCtools were only about as good as (imho) lspcidrake and fell short of hadrdrake Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] anyone know of a good hardware diagnostics tool for linux?
On Monday 10 March 2003 06:33 am, et wrote: On Monday 10 March 2003 12:23 am, Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Sunday 09 March 2003 09:05 pm, David E. Fox wrote: Unless you're sure your case and cpu cooling is adequate, take the diag's in the above order. Otherwise go right to cpuburn. The acid test for cpu/cache/ram/PSU/motherboards. Someone also mentioned recompiling the kernel - using many gcc forks (make -j 100) as a good test for the system. Obviously you have to have enough RAM for that many simultaneous compiles, but it might be a good way to test the entirety of the emmory / cpu / bus environment. The others are good as well, but with the exception of memtest, they won't use a large enough portion of the RAM. For instance, cpuburn runs a *very* tight loop - it would easily fit in the CPU's primary cache. mprime does a little better - maybe 13-20 megs of RAM involved here. Eitehr way, if there's a RAM problem, cpuburn or mprime may never pick it up. The real difficulty is if there is a RAM problem, there's likely no way to tell where it is. But then the recourse is to just replace the module anyhow :). Reframing the original question: Are there any Linux programs for diagnosing problems with hardware subsystems? With the exception of memtest, it strikes me that everything mentioned to date in this thread is some form of stress test. While stress testing is useful to establish that the whole system is either OK or NFG, there are times when a more specific diagnostic is required. I'm thinking about something similar to the old CheckIt or PC Tools that I used back in the days of MSDOS 3.31. Or have these critters become so complex that it now takes a lab full of equipment to get any meaningful results? -- cmg checkIt and PCtools were only about as good as (imho) lspcidrake and fell short of hadrdrake and I think CMG is suffering from what Paul Simon called the kodachrome effect Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Help! root full but can't find a cause
On Monday 10 March 2003 07:17 am, Mark Weaver wrote: Hi list, I noticed this yesterday after receiving an error message from Mozilla that it couldn't send a message. So far I've been all over the filesystem every way I know how, but still can't find a reason for this condition. So far I've phyiscally examined the filesystem with mc and du to see if I could find an extra large file somewhere, but nothing is popping out. The only thing on the / filesystem is everything but /var and /usr. I'm suspicious of the manner in which /mnt may be affecting the root filesystem. Any ideas? FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/hda1 718M 674M 7.6M 99% / none 62M 0 61M 0% /dev/shm /dev/hda10618M 308M 310M 50% /home /dev/hdc1 643M 611M 0 100% /mnt/arc /dev/hda113.5G 2.1G 1.2G 61% /mnt/arc_2 /dev/hda6 1.4G 1.4G 26M 99% /usr /dev/hda7 934M 538M 349M 61% /var /dev/hda9 3.9G 906M 2.8G 24% /var/ftp /dev/hda8 1.1G 179M 869M 18% /var/www bud,,, each entry in /mnt takes about 4 bytes in the / filespace so I would bet that ai'nt it tried deleting (or cleaning) /tmp on boot? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Help! root full but can't find a cause
On Monday 10 March 2003 08:02 am, Brian wrote: On Monday 10 March 2003 07:54 am, civileme wrote: On Monday 10 March 2003 03:17 am, Mark Weaver wrote: Hi list, I noticed this yesterday after receiving an error message from Mozilla that it couldn't send a message. So far I've been all over the filesystem every way I know how, but still can't find a reason for this condition. So far I've phyiscally examined the filesystem with mc and du to see if I could find an extra large file somewhere, but nothing is popping out. The only thing on the / filesystem is everything but /var and /usr. I'm suspicious of the manner in which /mnt may be affecting the root filesystem. Any ideas? FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/hda1 718M 674M 7.6M 99% / none 62M 0 61M 0% /dev/shm /dev/hda10618M 308M 310M 50% /home /dev/hdc1 643M 611M 0 100% /mnt/arc /dev/hda113.5G 2.1G 1.2G 61% /mnt/arc_2 /dev/hda6 1.4G 1.4G 26M 99% /usr /dev/hda7 934M 538M 349M 61% /var /dev/hda9 3.9G 906M 2.8G 24% /var/ftp /dev/hda8 1.1G 179M 869M 18% /var/www try this open a terminal su to root # mkdir -p /var/www/maxis # rm -r /tmp -f # ln -d /var/www/maxis /tmp mozilla uses /tmp for many things, including reassembling packets from a download into a file before moving the file to its final destination. /tmp is in / in your system ... After this little setting, you should be good to go even for downloading an .iso file. Civileme Check the size of /var/log. It could be your log files are filling root. Brian eeehhh... Brian, he noted that / filesystem is everything but /var and /usr so /var is not part of the / partition, and so not that part of the problem Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] OT Windows 2003
On Sunday 09 March 2003 02:33 pm, Miark wrote: A friend of mine saw somebody speaking about Winblows 2003 and the presenter said specifically that it was going to be the new server OS, putting Linux in the dust. I told him that regardless of technology, the expense and licensing associated with W2003 would prevent it from beating Linux. Anybody else heard this anti-Linux W2003 bull? Miark the only thing new about this pile of fud, (and it ain't how high it's piled) is the name 2003... I thought we were going to have .net and rental of software, and that was that... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Lilo with multiple hard drives...
On Friday 07 March 2003 09:33 pm, Gary Hodder wrote: Hi Mark, with the 3 drives in and it boots normally, edit the fstab file and change the hdc? to hdb? ? being the partition number. Change lilo to be hdb instead of hdc. Reboot with a floppy, at lilo promp: linux root=/dev/hdb? ? being the partition number the os is on. Run lilo. Reboot to boot from kernel on harddrive. Gary. and next time, don't use cable select as the way to choice master and slave HDs, use the jumpers on the drive itself. On Fri, 2003-03-07 at 22:19, Mark Watts wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I have a system with 3 harddrives in it (hda = Windows, hdb = spare (part XFS, part FAT32) and hdc = Linux (resierfs). I installed Windows first, followed by 9.0 on hdc, and chose to install lilo to hda's boot sector. This has been working just fine since I installed. I've come to a point where I'm moving hdb out of the system... Whenever I remove it, I get the ubiquitos LI LI LI LI LI across the screen, indicating that lilo is toast. Putting the drive back makes everything work as before. 2 questions: 1) Should lilo really be doing this, bearing in mind that hdb isnt mentioned in lilo.conf (It has an old 8.2 install I havent removed yet on it, but I'd have to make a boot disk to boot from it). 2) If I re-reun lilo (from a rescue cd and chrooting stuff) without changing lilo.conf, will that fix the LI LI LI issue? Cheers, Mark. - -- Mark Watts Systems Engineer QinetiQ TIM St Andrews Road, Malvern GPG Public Key available on request. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+aIA5Bn4EFUVUIO0RAhuvAKCzIzCZDqFlr6+RWzdSEmrpglnB8QCgxetA gfpHOl0qRleNXs2VLEiSQcY= =wfFV -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore
On Saturday 08 March 2003 06:48 am, Adrian Golumbovici wrote: OK. I fiddled some more with it (a few hours). None of the parameters you gave me worked. Same problem. With the enterprise kernel there is a small difference which I noticed just now (or at least in the 12mdk enterprise kernel from cooker). It lights Scroll lock and Caps lock but doesn't blink. They just stay on. I tried booting failsafe and what do you know... It booted and reported my memory ok (1.032.900k). Then I tried adjusting the 12mdk parameters one by one to reflect the ones in failsafe and I isolated this one to be causing the kernel panic: vga=788 I switched again all the parameters to the original from the 12mdk enterprise kernel but left this vga=788 out and it booted with no problem. What the heck is/does vga=788 and why does it cause PCs to freeze when 1G memory installed?!? :/ Best regards, Adrian - Original Message - From: Todd Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 2:02 AM Subject: Re: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore that number is a video mode, were was it that you changed it (in lilo? compileing a kernel? how long did you let the lockup sit? you may have just been booting using a mode your video card could not do, so rather than do a display that would hurt the card, you got no display, and it may have come back had you let it sit 3 mins with a working X, or at leasta command prompt Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore
On Saturday 08 March 2003 07:03 am, Adrian Golumbovici wrote: I left it for a couple of minutes, but with no reaction and those lights on keyboard lighting (which normally don't light) I figured it crashed. Anyway, if that mode is not supported by my video card, why does that setting work with 512MB but it freezes as long as it has 1024MB RAM?!? well now, with that info (that it works at 512 megs) _I_ would sure be guessing about what the problem could be. I don't even remember what video card you use, weither it was onboard and if the BIOS settings for the agp type, speed and opening are set correctly. I am sure the vga=768 is a setting for the video mode. (and I think it is a fairly low resolution) but if it is a setting in LILO that you are screwing with, then just forget about a vidoe mode durring bootup would be my suggestion. Best regards, Adrian - Original Message - From: et [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore On Saturday 08 March 2003 06:48 am, Adrian Golumbovici wrote: OK. I fiddled some more with it (a few hours). None of the parameters you gave me worked. Same problem. With the enterprise kernel there is a small difference which I noticed just now (or at least in the 12mdk enterprise kernel from cooker). It lights Scroll lock and Caps lock but doesn't blink. They just stay on. I tried booting failsafe and what do you know... It booted and reported my memory ok (1.032.900k). Then I tried adjusting the 12mdk parameters one by one to reflect the ones in failsafe and I isolated this one to be causing the kernel panic: vga=788 I switched again all the parameters to the original from the 12mdk enterprise kernel but left this vga=788 out and it booted with no problem. What the heck is/does vga=788 and why does it cause PCs to freeze when 1G memory installed?!? :/ Best regards, Adrian - Original Message - From: Todd Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 2:02 AM Subject: Re: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore that number is a video mode, were was it that you changed it (in lilo? compileing a kernel? how long did you let the lockup sit? you may have just been booting using a mode your video card could not do, so rather than do a display that would hurt the card, you got no display, and it may have come back had you let it sit 3 mins with a working X, or at leasta command prompt --- - Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mouse goes nuts
On Saturday 08 March 2003 01:57 pm, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Friday 07 March 2003 07:16 pm, Rob Blomquist wrote: They are both mounted as ide-scsi so that they could be seen my x-cd-roast., I have given up with that utility, as it could not see my IDE HD. I use Gcombust here - works great. End of the day message from most experienced users on this list will tell you that when all else fails, burn from the command line. It takes a little bit of getting used to, but its darn near fail-safe. Can hdparm handle the ide-scsi mountings? The two drives are on my system as /dev/scd0 (/dev/cdrom, CD-RW) and /dev/scd1(/dev/cdrom2, DVD/CD). Rob Yes, as long as its SCSI emulated and not true SCSI. Do a cdrecord --scanbus as root. Your devices should show up under scsibus1 not scsibus0. True SCSI devices show up under scsibus0. Hope this helps! :-) hey that stuff about scsi bus 1, it should be noted, is only if you have real scsi, is it not? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore
On Friday 07 March 2003 08:30 am, Adrian Golumbovici wrote: I know, that is why I am wondering why it freezes including the install CD. Even if I would have to have a enterprise kernel (as I read in some other answers), the installer should provide at least an alternative kernel for such situations. It reminds me of the 3G problem on Windows NT and I hate M$ products. :) Only in NT if you had more than 3GB you had to pull a module out, install and then put it back in. I even tried starting alt1 from the install CD and still the same freeze. :/ just tell the install kernel you only have 256 with the f1 instead of enter to install or upgrade and type (without the quotes) linux mem=256M and then hit enter to install. maybe the freeze ain't even a freeze, just a longer pause for processing than you were used to, and is due to all that mem. I will try now to boot the existing system by pulling one module out, rpm the enterprise kernel and then put it back in and see if it boots. but even if this is the solution it still doesn't seem right. :/ Anyway, just for info. I booted also just with the new module and boots ok. Best regards, Adrian - Original Message - From: Mark Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [expert] new memory 512MB module (total 1024MB) and linux won't boot and also installer doesn't work anymore -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Adrian, Try this, take out your new memory, go to Linux, install entreprise kernel (it supports large memory) from MDK cds, then check lilo if new kernel is their, reboot your system, check if can loggin the new kernel, then halt your system, put back your new memory then power on and see if the new kernel will work well. You can run a gig of ram on the nomal mdk kernels just fine - linux just doesnt 'see' that much ram untill you compile in high memory support. (which is what the enterprise kernel has. Mark. - -- Mark Watts Systems Engineer QinetiQ TIM St Andrews Road, Malvern GPG Public Key available on request. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+aJovBn4EFUVUIO0RAv87AJ92enJ8vmS8NGeK8PsAguc1oKDeVwCeP80+ xgnnOFxkkp9CI3UgnIbXKYs= =iBlF -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- - Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] net_monitor
On Thursday 06 March 2003 02:42 pm, Brian wrote: I just had some strange behavior on my system. I noticed that net_monitor was not working. I went into /usr/sbin and sure enough net_monitor was now a link to a file called /usr/bin/consolehelper and there was a working version of net_monitor called net_monitor.real. I renamed net_monitor to net_monitor.bak and restored the real net_monitor and all is well. Anyone have this problem or know why it may have occurred? Brian run chkrootkit? yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Problems with cdrecord and scsi-ide
On Tuesday 04 March 2003 06:52 am, Mark wrote: On Tue, 2003-03-04 at 22:10, Ken Walker wrote: You may think this a stupid question, but your not using a 8x re-writable disk are you ? If you put in a x2 re-writable, it'll only write at x2, if it's a x8, it'll only write at x8, irrespective of what you want it to burn at ? I wish it was that simple.. The CDs I was using have 2-40x on them, I guess that means in theory I could burn up to 40x on those CDs.. Cheers Mark in my opinion it has much less to do with the speed of the burn of the cd (but is MUCH more applicable when it is a Rewritable CD) than the abilities of the burner. now about this statement If you put in a x2 re-writable, it'll only write at x2, if it's a x8, it'll only write at x8, irrespective of what you want it to burn at ? It has also been my experience that it is VERY possible to (_attempt_ to) burn at speeds (both higher and lower) than either what is rated on the disk, or what is rated on the burner. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mdk 9.0 on old tack
On Tuesday 04 March 2003 09:29 am, Anne Wilson wrote: I have tried without success to install onto a very old box, IBM/Cyrix cpu. It really isn't worth fighting too much, but I'd like to have one more go at it. All I have got, so far, is as far as the initial screen, F1, and first try, typed 'linux nopentium noapic'. This brought just a blank screen. I then tried to run one of the alternative kernels(?), but putting alt1 into the same statement, but this was obviously wrong, because just before the blank screen I saw that it was loading the alt0 kernel. a) What is the correct syntax for trying the alternatives? b) Is there anything else worth trying - before I kick the box out? g Anne also if it has an onboard video card, giving the mem=xxxM statements where xxx= the amount of installed memeory minus the amount shared with the video. as well as remembering to turn off Plug and play aware OS? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Find /dev -type f command hangs
On Tuesday 04 March 2003 05:01 pm, Adolfo Bello wrote: On Tue, 2003-03-04 at 15:36, Albert E. Whale, CISSP wrote: Does anyone have any idea why this command will hang? find /dev -type f I would like to find/correct this issue. TIA. Not in my box. It works Ok. works good here too, maybe the reasons it would freeze would be a corrupt find? did it give any clues? an error message? could it be killed with top? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Double posts?
On Monday 03 March 2003 09:54 am, Pierre Fortin wrote: On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 12:44:56 +0100 Jan Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Is anyone else, besides me, receiving all the messages twice? Nope... maybe your choice of mailer on this non-M$ list... : must have been one of them there random enhancements, some how intended to make anyone still using windows to consider studying harder. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] ATI Radeon drivers
On Saturday 01 March 2003 08:18 pm, Rolf Pedersen wrote: John Haywood wrote: I'm getting a little confused here, as far as I can see I have a couple of possibilities for getting an accellerated driver for XFree on MDK 9, and I'm wondering whether there is a point to pursuing one of these, or if it might be a feature of 9.1: I tried the ATI driver, which has its own XFreeConfig-4 generator, and generates a completely useless file. It looks like it tries to use a driver called fglrx for 3D acceleration, but then binds itself to 2 (in my case) PCI card addresses 1:0:0 and 1:0:1 I attempted to munge this with the Mandrake stock config file which I used for my previous video card, and after commenting out the ATI-generated stuff, inserting the Driver fglrx into the Device section and leaving the PCI, stuff out, instead using AGPMode true, I get X to boot, but it seems woefully slow, (about 200 - 220 in glxgears). I see also that there are gatos drivers which might cover this card, but yet again, I'm at a loss as to which way forward here Just thinking about this, I wonder if the libGL.so.1.2 is playing nice, and does anyone have a clue as to how I determine which/whose version I've got installed ... alternatively, of course, if anyone has upgraded to one of these cards (rather than a clean install), I'd really like to hear from you as to how you achieved all this TIA I don't know what your card is but it sounds like newer than mine (7200). There is documentation about that AGPMode option that says the value should be 1, 2, or 4. Although I don't think it will make much difference, you can see that here: http://www.xfree86.org/4.3.0/radeon.4.html You can also find some driver enhancement and details at that site wrt your card in 4.3. What I thought I noticed is that there is only, so far, 2d support for the newest Radeon (9500?) http://www.xfree86.org/4.3.0/RELNOTES2.html#3 One more option might be a 3rd party commercial driver: http://www.xig.com/ Rolf and as far as the two PCI address that is most likely the two differnet screens your card migh support, nor did you mention what motherboard you use, and weither this MOBO ever had onbaord video Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Problems with cdrecord and scsi-ide
On Saturday 01 March 2003 11:43 pm, Mark wrote: Hi Everyone, I am having problems with what looks like scsi emu probs, I am using mandrake 9 and a Duron 1.3g .. the problem is I have a LG 48x16x48 cdr drive no matter what i try I can not burn quicker than 8x with out having problem like ./cdrecord: Input/output error. send opc: scsi sendcmd: no error CDB: 54 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 status: 0x2 (CHECK CONDITION) Sense Bytes: 70 00 06 00 00 00 00 0A 00 00 00 00 29 00 00 00 Sense Key: 0x6 Unit Attention, Segment 0 Sense Code: 0x29 Qual 0x00 (power on, reset, or bus device reset occurred) Fru 0x0 Sense flags: Blk 0 (not valid) cmd finished after 60.041s timeout 60s ./cdrecord: OPC failed. Writing time: 65.709s BURN-Free was never needed. ./cdrecord: fifo had 64 puts and 0 gets. ./cdrecord: fifo was 0 times empty and 0 times full, min fill was 100%. O.k. I have pulled down the latest cdrecord,compiled it, but does not look like the problem.. since it does work at 8x.. had a play with hdparm, switching off and on DMA, but it does not seem to make much difference...any ideas? Cheers well there are only about 3 million reasons you could have such a problem, and without asking a few more questions, I don't think you will be able to get a clearer answer. are you using a command line or a GUI to burn? what command or GUI have you tried? are you burning a file from a local hard drive? cd to cd burn on the fly? what IDE bus is the CD burner on? I recomend burning no faster than 8x anytime and anyway, for insurance against overcoastering. (creating more coasters than my microwave can zap in one 24 hour period.) Mark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Contribs
On Saturday 01 March 2003 03:41 am, Dale Huckeby wrote: On Fri, 28 Feb 2003, Greg Meyer wrote: On Friday 28 February 2003 12:48 pm, Ron Stodden wrote: !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN html head html crap deleted . . . href=http://members.optusnet.com.au/ronst/;http://members.optusnet.com .au /ronst//a Empty warhead found in White House /pre /body /html Except none of us can see them. Ron, it is plain and simply really annoying and only seems to be useful for you. The list rules plainly ask for posts to be made in plain text only, yet you continue to selfishly insist that your way is better. Well no one else posts in html, so maybe you could give in a little and turn it off only when you post to this list. If the list rules plainly say no html, and one selfish doofus insists on doing it anyway, perhaps he should be removed. Dale Huckeby ahhh not to go so far as to remove him, best to just ignore him remove and he resubs and never learns what the real reason he joined the list to learn, what ever it was. ignore (local filter) him (or html) and he does not bother me any more Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] building box for sound recording studio
naw I am thinking of giving mandrake Clic a go to see if I want to create a cluster to do this, heck for this bucks we could have a 3 or4 of dual Althons one set mainly for capture, one for file storage and one for processing, but then I probibly have to learn gigabit ethernet setup, as well as Clic. On Thursday 27 February 2003 10:21 pm, synrat wrote: lol. no you need sun fire 1 for this :) 90 cpus and 10 terabytes of ram On Thu, 27 Feb 2003, Jim C wrote: I'm not entirely sure but this might be the sort or thing a MOSIX cluster would be good for. Jim C. et wrote: On Thursday 27 February 2003 10:53 am, synrat wrote: I wouldn't spend it all on scsi, just get a few large ide drives and use them for storage while doing the work on scsi ( maybe raid5 ). Don't waste money of xeon. If you're going to use applications optimized for sse2 then get pentium4. If not, then get dual athlon mp. Get at least 2gb of ram, the faster the better. I always use athlons, because they work 3 times faster with floating point, but you may not need that. On Thu, 27 Feb 2003, et wrote: just got a very nice deal to build a box (in the next couple of months, quality is much more important than fast delivery) to run a sound recording studio. I would love to hear suggestions. Budget is to be less than $10,000.00 USD delivered, not including (professional) software. or sound card (will have an Audigy, but the studio owner has some other card he wants in the box along with the Audigy, and that card was over $900.00USD. I figure for about that I ought to be able to create a pretty nice and fast box. this box should be UFW scsi2 raid I guess, and I would love some first hand knowledge of fast-wide scsi2 cards and drives. I am also wondering about places I should be looking to check out some quad zeon mother boards. thanks this is exactly the kinda discussion I was hoping for. got any good clues as to what chipsets to look for, or stay away from? I think (pretty damn sure) they want a SMP board of some sort. --- - Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Contribs
On Friday 28 February 2003 02:17 am, Ron Stodden wrote: civileme wrote: E, pardon my intrusion but I think you might want to check your mailer settings. I am sure you didn't want to send html to the list You are sure? How? E, use of html is deliberate because it supports useful features in this list context not provided by plain text. you say it supports useful features in this list contex. not _this_ list. maybe if an individual want to see an attchment of a screen shot, you might want to send the attachment to that one e-mail address, but that DOES NOT require html to this list. does it? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] building box for sound recording studio
On Friday 28 February 2003 09:10 am, logic7 wrote: You need none of that. Back in the day, we were recording 24 tracks with a P233mmx (w/scsi drives) or PPC 604e 200 (PowerMac 8600/200). It's like I said, it's all a matter of what you're recording. If you really want to spend $1, then get the fastest SINGLE P4 you can get your hands on, a few hundred gigs worth of SCSI160 drives (find a small, 2-4GB UWSCSI drive for your swap file), Win2000 or XP (preferrably 2000), a matrox Parhelia vid card with triple head, 3 flat panel displays, 1.5GB RAM, AND a Creamware Scope SP with a few A16 i/o boxes. Of course, if you want to make it Linux compatible, you should look at the M-Audio audio cards, most of them are fully linux compatible. thank you.. I had built back in the day this same guy a p2 /500 (bx440 chipset) with scsi drives and an 3 gig ide boot drive (WINnt4), and he was happy for a long time, but I guess he got some cash some where, and now wants to spend some of it, so I was more than happy to offer to build his next box too. so he wants a box that we put in the corner and use for the next 5 years, like the last one. since I hope to be able to convert his uses to linux, and I am so damn happy myself with the way Mandrake handles my dual P3 1000s (especially compared to win2k on the same box, M$ just does not handle SMP like linux and the advantges just are not the same IMHO) I wonder if dual p4s are worth anything, especially considering multithreading CPUs. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] please change the subject now OT
On Friday 28 February 2003 11:27 am, Philip Webb wrote: could we all please try to remember to change the Subject whenever the subject of our messages actually changes? an accurate Subject helps with triage on any busy list may in fact cause me to read something i would otherwise have passed over. and yes, i don't mind a bit of OT water-cooler chit-chat as long as it remains polite friendly. first allow me to apologize for the OT, I could not resist,, and really I tried. now as far as i don't mind a bit of OT water-cooler chit-chat as long as it remains polite friendly. I personaly have a problem with anyone remaining polite and freindly... I just trust folks more if they tell me off when I am an a$$hole... and to save bandwidth... OK so I was being an A$$hole. there, no it does not require a reply. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] www.TrueMajority.com
On Wednesday 26 February 2003 09:29 pm, mike wrote: Adolpho should not have done this, but there is right winged shit on this list all the time. Don't get me started! On Wednesday 26 February 2003 08:02 pm, Seth Zirin wrote: On Tue, 2003-02-25 at 06:08, et wrote: Very bad form to send this type (of SPAM) to a tech mail list, From: Adolfo ortiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] has just made it to my spam filters If you still have the message in your trash, you might consider forwarding a complaint to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and include the original message with full headers. Seth [EMAIL PROTECTED] I agree it is not worth a complaint, filters work so well Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Windows Games Platform, was Enterprise OS, was Mandrake Out of Control?
On Thursday 27 February 2003 03:02 am, Michael Adams wrote: On Thu, 27 Feb 2003 04:52, Tibbetts, Ric wrote: Jack Coates wrote: On Tue, 2003-02-25 at 16:55, Ric Tibbetts wrote: ... Actually, I have XP running at home on a PII-333 My kids use it as their game machine. But my oldest is only 7. Their demands are low. :) Ric yeah, I was kind of annoyed when I had to replace Win98 with Win2K on the kids' game machine to get it to actually run Reader Rabbit without puking all over itself... Duron 750. chuckle Yeah, I hear ya! I tried Win2k on their box, but lost to many games (don't remember which right now. It was a while ago). So we loaded XP (ugh!). There were fewer game losses. But if I had time, I'd put 98 back on. It ran better, and ALL their games worked. But I just haven't had time... sigh... But.. This is drifting a long way from a LM discussion. :) Ric Take two hard disks. Insert the largest as hda. Make a small FAT32 Primary Partition, leaving space for linux. Install Win98 on this. Remove. Insert the other harddrive. Install Win2k or XP(shudder). Remove. Insert large (98) as Master and w2k as slave. Install linux. Edit LILO for two other boot options (copy and paste) edit hda1 to read hdb1. Voila, backwards, sideways and other compatability. Out of pocket for two crappy OSes but hey. If i missed a step, someone will point it out for me. for me, I just install win98, then MDK, and I split MDK all over two hard drives (one / on hda6, swap hda7, home on hdb5, /var hdb7) and have 9gigs in hdb6 as ntfs for win2kpro, and just install win2k pro last, and chose the remaining partiton for win2k. this way lilo has one win entre and that loads the win2k boot loader adn then I chose which win to run. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?/Is Windows faster on same machine?
On Thursday 27 February 2003 09:59 am, flacycads wrote: Since this little tibit of info in useful if you are dual booting with winME/98/95 and Linux with more than 512MB ram, I'll submit it. There is no problem with higher versions of windows. The thing to do is set the MaxFileCache setting in System.ini to 512MB or slightly less, and the ConservativeSwapfileUsage=1. That way, windows will use up to 512MB before using the swap file, you will eliminate windows booting problems, and you can still use all the ram you have over 512MB when you boot Linux. Also helps to increase the spare stack pages from the windows default of 2 by adding the line MinSPs=8 (or 12) to the 386Enh section in System.ini. There's more of these modifications, and they definitely improve windows somewhat, at least to the extent it can be. I'm new to linux, so I'm wondering if there aren't similar modifications, and where they can be applied- I assume probably somewhere in /etc files, but I'm really a novice. Or is it generally that Linux is already configured correctly in the first place, and none of these type tweaks are really needed? Robert Crawford I really like this, thank you. I am going to put those other memsticks in this afternoon. since i also have win 2k on the box, will I need to make any changes to it? As far as MDK goes, when useing either a multi CPU board or more than 1 gig mem, there are different kernel versions (smp, and enterprise.) but linux really uses smp and more mem much better than WIn2k. thanks, see I learnt something again today... life is good. et On Wednesday 26 February 2003 09:55 pm, Damian Gatabria wrote: ehhh, no mater what, or so I have heard, win 9x to win me will NOT boot with more than 512 megs ram. I can say that for sure with winME. it is really the way the ram is used, as far as I know, that makes the differences, that and the way it is tested by the kernal developers to decide what really is the best optimization for the ram use. AFAIK, this is not entirely correct. I've known people running about 768 (or something like that).. oh, no, wait. It was 1G of RAM. The problem with it is that Win9X cannot use all of it. And also, any more than 512MB will only make the machine slower, as Win9x kernels have a memory managment so crippled that it can choke by maintaining too many process tables and memory pages. And no matter how many programs this guy loaded, memory usage was never above ~400 MB, and it would even freeze due to lack of resources without going any further. Damian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] building box for sound recording studio
just got a very nice deal to build a box (in the next couple of months, quality is much more important than fast delivery) to run a sound recording studio. I would love to hear suggestions. Budget is to be less than $10,000.00 USD delivered, not including (professional) software. or sound card (will have an Audigy, but the studio owner has some other card he wants in the box along with the Audigy, and that card was over $900.00USD. I figure for about that I ought to be able to create a pretty nice and fast box. this box should be UFW scsi2 raid I guess, and I would love some first hand knowledge of fast-wide scsi2 cards and drives. I am also wondering about places I should be looking to check out some quad zeon mother boards. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] building box for sound recording studio
On Thursday 27 February 2003 10:53 am, synrat wrote: I wouldn't spend it all on scsi, just get a few large ide drives and use them for storage while doing the work on scsi ( maybe raid5 ). Don't waste money of xeon. If you're going to use applications optimized for sse2 then get pentium4. If not, then get dual athlon mp. Get at least 2gb of ram, the faster the better. I always use athlons, because they work 3 times faster with floating point, but you may not need that. On Thu, 27 Feb 2003, et wrote: just got a very nice deal to build a box (in the next couple of months, quality is much more important than fast delivery) to run a sound recording studio. I would love to hear suggestions. Budget is to be less than $10,000.00 USD delivered, not including (professional) software. or sound card (will have an Audigy, but the studio owner has some other card he wants in the box along with the Audigy, and that card was over $900.00USD. I figure for about that I ought to be able to create a pretty nice and fast box. this box should be UFW scsi2 raid I guess, and I would love some first hand knowledge of fast-wide scsi2 cards and drives. I am also wondering about places I should be looking to check out some quad zeon mother boards. thanks this is exactly the kinda discussion I was hoping for. got any good clues as to what chipsets to look for, or stay away from? I think (pretty damn sure) they want a SMP board of some sort. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?/Is Windows faster on same machine?
On Wednesday 26 February 2003 02:39 am, civileme wrote: On Tuesday 25 February 2003 09:17 pm, Jack Coates wrote: Not to turn it into a WM flamewar, but are you using KDE or GNOME? Either fullblown environment can make the experience a lot slower in my experience. It's also possible and fun to throw Linux's performance down the stairs in ways that Windows simply won't do, such as pixmapped themes and running graphic programs in the root-window. Go easy on the eye-candy, get faster response. Last but not least, there are definitely issues with XFree86 that won't be going away. For one thing, X is a user space program and the Win32 GDI is kernel space, ring 0, ever since NT 4.0. This is changing with DRI, but at the same cost of decreased stability which plagues NT video. Also, X's video card support tends to be a bit flaky in my experience, which is to say it's a crap-shoot if running a 3d program is going to produce software rendering, hardware rendering, static across the top 3rd of my screen, or a video card lockup (all of these have happened this week with a Voodoo3 and an i815). I don't think that XFree86 gets the same sort of attention that Windows drivers get, since driver debugging that goes past the point of it works on the primary developer's machine is not very fun. dos centavos, Jack On Tue, 2003-02-25 at 21:36, flacycads wrote: OK- you're correct- I don't speak for everyone, and my choice of words was unfortunate. Please accept my apology. However, my experience on several dual boot boxes with different versions of windows and Linux has always been that overall computer performance is significantly better when booted to windows. I'm sorry, but that's what happens- there's no question about it. Of course I do have any windows installation I run highly tweaked and tuned to perfection( as good as is possible), and perhaps I can tweak my Linux installs a little more than I presently have. Robert Crawford On Tuesday 25 February 2003 07:26 pm, et wrote: On Tuesday 25 February 2003 05:01 pm, Joe Braddock wrote: ---Original Message--- From: flacycads [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02/25/03 05:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control? snip Anyone who dual boots with windows on the same hardware knows that windows ... And don't forget the obvious Office is like 95% loaded if you use windows... compare that to loading ALL of OpenOffice. So if you are comparing Windows performance in this area, try opening OpenOffice on Desktop 2 and just ticking it on the taskbar, Same for Konqueror/Mozilla/Phoenix/Opera vs MSIE That is not to say there are not slower areas in linux. Video drivers are a problem (strange, Windows doesn't write video drivers), and of course the overhead in maintaining decent security is there by design in linux. My own results, on my own equipment, do not support your results, but then I have machines with a LOT of memory which linux uses and Windows does not. Civileme I bet your network is correctly setup and tweaked, and his /etc/host file is empty too Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?
On Tuesday 25 February 2003 07:34 pm, Todd Lyons wrote: snip Yes, in the US, RedHat is the brand that's known and that's what we're trying to address. Blue skies... Todd Ok, let us know what we can do to help. ET Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?/Is Windows faster on same machine?
I was not speaking about anyone in particular On Wednesday 26 February 2003 04:13 pm, flacycads wrote: If you are referring to me, my /etc/hosts file is correct (not empty), and my hard drives are tweaked with hdparm, and have been since I started Linux about 9 months ago. I also only run the services I actually need, and compile lean as possible kernels. However, I know I could use more ram on these machines, and that would help the performance. I also use only the best ram, and have been a serious overclocker at times, and know the ins and outs of that, although at present I'm not overclocking while I'm trying to really learn about my Linux systems. ahh go ahead and overclock and learn linux at the same time,,, nothing like creating extra problems to get extra training on repairing them grin I've made a pretty serious effort to tune my Mandrake install, and read everything I could find on the subject, but of course I'm all ears for any advice anyone wants to offer, and it will certainly be appreciated. I can use all the knowledge I can get, and this great expert list has really helped me tremendously. I came from a Mac/windows background, and have many years experience tweaking them for maximun performance. BTW, someone mentioned windows won't use all the memory. That's not exactly correct- you can edit the System.ini file to force windows to use all available ram before using the swap file. This works really well for those with a lot of ram. You can also make edits to control the loading and unloading of .dlls, among many other settings edits that affect performance. I only mention this because I've been trying to figure out if there are similar modifications in Linux- there doesn't seem to be much written about this- at least I haven't run across much. And of course I still have a lot to learn about the /etc/file possiblities. ehhh, no mater what, or so I have heard, win 9x to win me will NOT boot with more than 512 megs ram. I can say that for sure with winME. it is really the way the ram is used, as far as I know, that makes the differences, that and the way it is tested by the kernal developers to decide what really is the best optimization for the ram use. My main concern is not how fast an OS boots, or how fast applications load into ram, it's how good the response/performance is afterwards. Which is, of course, where lots of ram and a fast cpu works wonders, with Linux or windows. compare the second loading times then, notice how much faster an application loads the second time in Linux, then compare the comparitive app in M$win, or even better, compare loading the app (try Adobe photoshop) in a VMware window the second time, then compare loading it as dual boot. I bet your network is correctly setup and tweaked, and his /etc/host file is empty too Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] www.TrueMajority.com
Very bad form to send this type (of SPAM) to a tech mail list, From: Adolfo ortiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] has just made it to my spam filters Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] kernel panic after defrag in WinjMe
On Tuesday 25 February 2003 04:46 am, antonio rodriguez wrote: Dear All, I have Mandrake Linux 8.1 installed on a Duron sharing the hard disk with WinMe. After defrag WinMe I found that I couldn't boot Linux because of a kernel panic. Entering in rescue mode I've ran fdisk so my new partition table has only two sections: /dev/hda1/Win95 FAT32 (LBA) /dev/hda2/Extended How do I could fix this problem in order to have my old 3 partitions (W, Linux and Linux swap)? Any hints appreciated THanks in advance Antonio Rodriguez --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.455 / Virus Database: 255 - Release Date: 13/02/03 so let me ask,,,was this MS defrag or a third party (like Norton or some other defrag utility?) cause if it was, Linux is not all you might screw up Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] kernel panic after defrag in WinjMe
On Tuesday 25 February 2003 07:17 am, flacycads wrote: This is a good example of the wisdom of having a separate /home partition. Rescues, and if need be, reinstalls are then essentially painless. I've forgotten exacly how 8.1 cd1 installs, but did you try booting from a linux floppy boot disk, and trying to run lilo lilo? Perhaps that might work. However, defrag is still an essential part of the windows experience- there is no getting around it, and the improvement is more than marginal for severely fragged drives. I must have defragged window thousands of times over the years, and never had any problems whatsoever, so the risk is virtually non-existent. I'm still not convinced Linux doesn't need defragging also, and I've done a lot of reading on the subject. some of the problem may be that it is winME and WINME does not play fair with third party defrag utilities unless they were made for winME. if you upgrade from WIN98 to WinMe and have defrag utilities from other than MS, they will eat the end of your hard drive as well as some DLLs. but the replace winME with 2000 well ok... Robert Crawford On Tuesday 25 February 2003 05:44 am, James Sparenberg wrote: go to freshmeat grab gparted put it on a floppy and let it try and rediscover your partitions again. Then replace your winME with 2000 *grin*.. James On Tue, 2003-02-25 at 01:46, antonio rodriguez wrote: Dear All, I have Mandrake Linux 8.1 installed on a Duron sharing the hard disk with WinMe. After defrag WinMe I found that I couldn't boot Linux because of a kernel panic. Entering in rescue mode I've ran fdisk so my new partition table has only two sections: /dev/hda1/Win95 FAT32 (LBA) /dev/hda2/Extended How do I could fix this problem in order to have my old 3 partitions (W, Linux and Linux swap)? Any hints appreciated THanks in advance Antonio Rodriguez --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.455 / Virus Database: 255 - Release Date: 13/02/03 __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?
On Tuesday 25 February 2003 03:25 pm, Jack Coates wrote: On Tue, 2003-02-25 at 12:12, Anne Wilson wrote: On Tuesday 25 Feb 2003 7:43 pm, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: The bottom line is that if you use the LM distros and you have the extra jack, which amounts to the cost of a magazine subscription, then you should be sending that money to the Mandrake club or getting a boxed set from Mandrakesoft. That's only the right thing to do. This should be punctuated with the realization that the survival of the company, the paychecks of the development teams, the other employee's paychecks and the quality of life of their families are all at stake. In other words a little compassion and a magazine subscription will go a long way, not just for you truly but also for the future of everybody else involved. LX - I have read your views on this before, and I do agree with them. Am I right in thinking, though, that it benefits MandrakeSoft more if I use downloads and use the savings on the club? Last time I bought a boxed set, but if this is so I will use the downloads and go for an upgraded club membership. More cash goes to Mandrake more quickly if you buy the membership. Box sets are eaten into by the distributor, shipping company, production company... The flipside is of course that un-purchased box sets are a tremendous waste of everyone's resources. Personally I use downloads and buy a club membership, hoping that MandrakeSoft can accurately gauge demand for box sets. I noticed my local (Charlotte NC) CompUSA is still stocking Mandrake 8.2 powerpacks. I always download (via modem, takes weeks, but thank you, d4x) the final version, and I pre-order from the Mandrake Store a box set too, since all the joys and toys of the boxed set are not included in the download. I also have a silver membership, and if i compare what I get with that, to the purchase of 1 legal copy of M$ anything win9x or better, and the purchase of a legal copy of the current M$ office suite, I am still ahead by 50%. and who in their right mind would want to buy anything M$ these days? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: OT Re: [expert] 9.1 party
On Tuesday 25 February 2003 04:23 pm, Jack Coates wrote: On Tue, 2003-02-25 at 13:21, J. Grant wrote: hi Jack Coates wrote: A UK-specific distro is kinda scary, I'm imagining all this Austin Powers theming going on :-) And of course it would have to use the Slackware .tgz packaging system, just to be anachronistically different than the EU... heh, and we all still wear bowler hats and pin strip when we go to work in the city! not to forget the important umbrella, as its always raining! Would be fun to try a Chinese distro, probably got anti capitalist msg in there somewhere. What then would be a US theme? Cheers I don't think I can answer that in this political climate without igniting another OT flame-war, so let's just drop it here :-) Some wher, not to long ago, I was reading about adding an Irish English addition. The big change was to be all buttons that used to say OK would now be changed to so it is, so it is I would naturally consider that just like in the movie they live the message should overwhelming be Consume Of course this thread should be carried over to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mandrake OT. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?
On Tuesday 25 February 2003 05:01 pm, Joe Braddock wrote: ---Original Message--- From: flacycads [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02/25/03 05:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control? snip Anyone who dual boots with windows on the same hardware knows that windows performance is noticably better than Linux, and that this is most likely due to the highly x86 optimized Intel compiler. Please... this just is not a fact. this is basicly WRONG in my personal experiance. M$ just plain sucks compared to Mandrake-Linux on at least _MY_ hardware, I don't claim to speak for anyone who dual boots windows, and as long as I am included in your statement, neither do you. Given that, it's going to be hard to convince me that trying to optimize Linux and gcc for newer cpus is not worth the trouble. However, I'll keep an open mind on the subject, and I'm certainly not an expert. Robert Crawford snip Robert, I thought anything after Windows NT runs on Pentium and above (or K6 and above if you use AMD). If that's the case, then it's not anymore optimized than Mandrake, so any increased performance on a Windows box is not do to optimization. not true, you need much more starting with win ME If you truly want to see what effect optimization may have for your system, recompile the kernel and run some benchmarks (actually before and after). Since everything else runs on top of the kernel, it recompiling it should give the most bang for your buck. I can tell you, though, that on my systems (K6-450 and Duron 1.3ghz), removing stuff that's not used in the kernel has a bigger impact on performance than optimizing for the CPU (maybe it has something to do with AMD vs Intel, I don't know, but the chip optimization seemed to have little impact). Joeb Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Printer not printing
On Thursday 20 February 2003 04:07 am, Sridhar wrote: I am having problems printing documents from my W2k machine. I have my deskjet printer connected to Mandrake server. I am able to print from my server, but the documents from my W2k machine does not print. I end up having files numbered 'c02' in my /var/spool/cups dir. If I remove the '-r' option for lpr-cups print command I can also see files being spooled to /var/spool/samba. I had set debug level to debug in the cupsd.conf file hoping to see some errors in the log file. When I see the log from cups administration page it reports that the files were printed. Not sure where to look for problems. -Fridhar this is a problem with a combo of things, first off, WIN2k has to be set to use the windows drivers here is a link from a previous thread on this subject where I cured this for myself http://www.mail-archive.com/newbie@linux-mandrake.com/msg117406.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] KDE3.1 for MD = 8.1?
On Sunday 16 February 2003 10:44 am, Guy Zelck wrote: Hi, Simon Ree wrote: Guy Zelck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, Will there ever be a KDE3.1 version released for 8.x? I only now can say that I've got my 8.1 system like I want it to be. In the mean time Mandrake raced versions, which in my view is crazy . It's becoming more and more difficult to have recent versions of programs. I find myself more and more rebuilding packages. A lot of packages (libs) change names between versions and taking a recent spec file to rebuild a package yourself is often hell as you have find out what you need from scratch and change all required package names in the spec. Why change to a new program version in the first place if you are happy using a old os version? Old? MD8.1 is from Sep 2001, that's 1.5 years old. Using KDE2.2 together with all the other updates doesn't mean I have an old os. It's not because every 6 mths there's a new version, that the previous 2 versions are suddenly old. They overtook RH in version number, very good Marketing wise, but not good for anything else. I think they have had a number above RH for some long time, overtakeing as long as three years ago is not anything new. You would advocate That mandrake should build packages for for all of their old versions? KDE 3.1 for v6 maybe? That's exagerating, that was not my question? A longer support period would be more reasonable, say 3 years, certainly for substantial packages. Creating a newer version less often would help, and instead provide upgrade waves (service packs ;-) ) depending on the defination of support and what you thnk you should be intitled to when you get something that is available for free. Perhaps if you purchased the box version at a retail store in The USa youmight have some beef worth bringing up with the vendor, (best buy?,or McMillian publishing? or whomever gave you the idea that this free to download product should have support provided for you. Even guys that started of with 9.0 now have to be club members to get kde3.1. this is just false. Please refrain form public statemants as fact unless you are prepared to provide public evidence to back up your statement. such falsehoods in other forums (about other products too) might be enough to get you sued for slander. the suit may not prevail, but you certianly could find yourself paying a lot in legal fees that you would never recover. This is a sad development. I see Mandrake more and more slip away from being a free os distributor. As I understand it, Mandrakesoft is a for profit company, and not a free software distributor I think that defination should be reserved for... say... the PLF. I understand they have difficulties so I payed for a regular membership myself for 2 years in a row now. You get very little with this. But more and more the regular users are left out. This is very sad I find. I starts to stink for $s. Cooker may be a choice for those who allways want the latest and supposidly greatest. Still free. Then I could have as well upgraded to 9.0. and it is free still for just the download So I'm afraid there's little chance to get rpms from Mandrake for 8.x. If there's no good soul in the community who put packages available I'm in for an ordeal to get kde3.1 compiled and packaged for 8.1. Maybe you could build it? I'll have a go at it, sure. I'm not saying mandrake shouldn't support old versions, but the old distro did not ship with the intention of being brought up the the latest level of every package. My Explorer came with a 5L V8, they now come with a 4.6L V8, should Ford provide me with a upgrade path other than purchasing a new one? Crummy comparison. Guy. _I_ will say they should not support older versions. I was going to go into my reasons, but I will leave that since it is worth discussing in a new thread or by personal offlist mail if anyone else cares enough to ask. Really, I think the reasons are self-evident to anyone that thinks about it for a few minutes. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Notebook Sans M$ Tax
On Saturday 15 February 2003 05:33 am, Felix Miata wrote: Anyone know who sells notebook PC's without the windoze tax included in the price? Wal Mart Tiger Direct only seem to sell ordinary PC's that way. check dell Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] adding scsi tape drive
On Thursday 13 February 2003 10:51 pm, g wrote: Michael Noble wrote: I have just added a scsi card (adaptec) and a DDS4 4mm dat drive. How do I get Linux to know the tape drive is installed and talking to it? mike, please excuse delay in replying. isp and i are having growing pains. anyway, you make no mention of what version of what distrib you are using. so, presuming that you are using a recent version of mandrake, your scsi card and dat drive should be recognized buy kudzu at boot up. if not, then you may have config problems. peace out. tc,hago. g . Kudzu is not installed by default any more (not in 9.0 anyway) and harddrake might take care of it these days Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] ML9.0:file system completely crashed ext3,could not find mime type,kde3.0.3
On Tuesday 11 February 2003 11:29 pm, Dave Laird wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Good evening, Damon... On Tuesday 11 February 2003 07:05 pm, Damon Lynch wrote: It still may matter. But I don't know - that's why I am asking :-) Supposing you have a UDMA 100 as master, and a UDMA 33 as slave. Conceivably they may both drop down to UDMA 33, and the master runs a bit faster than the slave simply because it is the master. Normally that is all true *EXCEPT* there is a differential factor that I just mentioned to someone else on this list about Maxtor drives running on the same IDE channel as a non-Maxtor drive, regardless whether they match or not, will not cooperate. Maybe that is not what will happen. Either way, I'm curious to know what the experts think! I've heard conflicting stories from different folks (mostly off this list). Without doing a *lot* of testing I'd hazard a guess that is as good a generalization as you could find anywhere, and probably better than some... with the possible exception of Maxtor drives and most other non-Maxtor drives, as noted previously. Another combination I remember vaguely that ran into troubles in the early testing I've done was using a Seagate EIDE slow drive on the primary and a fast Seagate on the secondary, which only worked in 16 bit mode, something else I never understood. 8-) was that in M$ products say before 1997? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] ML9.0:file system completely crashed ext3,could not find mime type,kde3.0.3
On Wednesday 12 February 2003 09:31 am, Dave Laird wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 G'morning, ET... On Wednesday 12 February 2003 04:08 am, et wrote: Without doing a *lot* of testing I'd hazard a guess that is as good a generalization as you could find anywhere, and probably better than some... with the possible exception of Maxtor drives and most other non-Maxtor drives, as noted previously. Another combination I remember vaguely that ran into troubles in the early testing I've done was using a Seagate EIDE slow drive on the primary and a fast Seagate on the secondary, which only worked in 16 bit mode, something else I never understood. 8-) was that in M$ products say before 1997? Yes, I believe that was the platform. There's an excellent article that explains some of the more technical aspects of why floating around the web written by young Steve Gibson, I think. Dave - -- Dave Laird ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) The Used Kharma Lot / The Phoenix Project Web Page: http://www.kharma.net updated 01/20/2003 Usenet News server: news.kharma.net Musicians Calendar and Database access: http://www.kharma.net/calendar.html An automatic random thought For the Minute: Does the name Pavlov ring a bell? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+SlqvaE1ENZP1A28RAnwoAJ4o6Er6ZBmRAXoLZzIoybQCzF2xegCfVy/X qL0n3ncFzlFsAauJgtrR5Dk= =e5di -END PGP SIGNATURE- yep I just remeber the problems and thought they were overcome about the same time as the 8 gig limit was overcome. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] fetchmail problem
On Sunday 09 February 2003 12:04 am, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: Hi, Due to a total loss of my working 9.0 system - messed around with fsck.ext3 - I lost some config files and now i'm in trouble :( I set up 9.1Beta3 without any problems and it's great! Now I wanted to use Mutt together with postfix and fetchmail. I coould rescue the main.conf of postfix and the ~/.fetchmailrc from my old system, so it should work: .fetchmailrc poll pop.onlinehome.de protocol pop3 user 111 with password \ aaa is wobo here Of course this is one line in the original file. I have spoolfile /var/spool/mail/wobo and that should do it but when I start 'fetchmail -v' I get logged in at the ISP's pop3 server and it tells me that 6 messages are there to be polled. Then I get: -- fetchmail: POP3 TOP 1 fetchmail: POP3 +OK 4488 octets Message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: reading 1 of 6 (4488 Octetts) fetchmail: Protocol error in SMTP-Listener fetchmail: SMTP connection to localhost failed fetchmail: POP3 QUIT fetchmail: POP3 This is a multi-part message in MIME format... fetchmail: SMTP transaction error while polling from pop.onlinehome.de -- I translated that from the German messages. I have no idea what a 'smtp listener' (German: SMTP-Lauscher) is and what I can do. Google did not help , I think due to my poor translation of the message. wobo /etc/hosts? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] lock screen
On Sunday 09 February 2003 12:49 pm, Greg Meyer wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 09 February 2003 07:08 am, Tom wrote: I upgraded my ML8 system to ML9.0. I attempted to use te lock screen function, and it has ceased to function correctly. It was working under ML8.0 We need more info to help. What Desktop environment are you using and have you made any updates to the system? - -- and when you say ceased to function correctly in what way? screen not locked? does not accecpt pasword? does not have the same screen saver you had before? when you say upgraded do you mean a clean new install? an install over teh old partitions without formating? update only or did you update packages only? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Fwd: [expert] Best Mandrake yet!!!
On Saturday 08 February 2003 09:06 am, Luca Olivetti wrote: Vincent Danen wrote: Agreed. It's pretty solid. I did manage to hang my cooker box once or twice, but hey, it's cooker. I expect this sort of stuff occassionally. I can lock my 9.0 box at will, just capturing video or trying to use full duplex audio (when the load is high). Traced the problem to the kernel compiled with gcc3 and a not really up to date bttv driver, as well as a non functional alsa subsystem. Now I'm using 8.2 kernel and everything is almost fine. I didn't try cooker kernels because they caused strange problems on another test machine and I'm only using xfs on this one. Bye would be nice to know more about your lockups, since I don't get lockups. what sound chips and what video card and drivers are you using? when you say almost fine what sort of problems do you have with 8.2 still? what does lspcidrake say and what does cat /proc/pci say Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Kernel upgrade failure :(
make mrproper? On Friday 07 February 2003 08:14 am, stefmit wrote: Hi, everyone, Please bare with me - have not compiled a new kernel since the days of 1st edition of Yggdrasil ;( - so - just recently got the new ...-24mdk source from the updates, happily installed the source from the rpm, and - confident in my ability of getting in trouble - got into the source directory and did carry out the standard compilation, using as a refresher: http://www.justlinux.com/nhf/Compiling_Kernels/Updating_a_Kernel.html and http://www.justlinux.com/nhf/Compiling_Kernels/20_Steps_to_a_New_Kernel_wit h_Grub.html I have tweaked the above to be able to salvage the old stuff - just backups of all my stuff, nothing to mess the new compilation, though (which is why I am still able to boot and send you this message), but my new stuff totally failed me, and here is what I get scrolling by my screen, when booting into the new kernel: busybox: unresolved symbol drop_super_Rc64cc0dd4 kmod: failed to exec /sbin/modprobe -s -k reiserfs, errno=2 kmod: failed to exec /sbin/modprobe -s -k freereiserfs, errno=2 kernel panic: no init found ... and that's it. I know I compiled everything with the same options I had in the original distro installation ... so - does anybody have a pointer for me? Have you done the ...-24mdk yet? Any other way of doing this, that I may not be aware of (in today's mcc world, I may have lost touch with the automation processing, and - perhaps - there is an automatic compilation based on existing - somehow identified - configuration, which would do everything without the need for make menuconfig and baby steps?!?)? Thx, Stef Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake RPM updates
On Friday 07 February 2003 01:44 pm, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: On Fri, Feb 07, 2003 at 11:34 -0700, Vincent Danen wrote: On Fri Feb 07, 2003 at 07:22:34PM +0100, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: The announcement is available at http://www.mandrakesoft.com/company/press/briefs?n=/mandrakesoft/news/2 409 (Beware of line breaks!) More information on the product itself is available at http://www.mandrakesoft.com/products/corporate-server Awesome... thanks, wobo. Oh, it's not so hard to do, you know? Just hop over to the Mandrake Website, see the newsflash right before your eyes and hit the link. There are people whose job it is to provide this for the benefit of the Mandrake users. (Hint, hint!) ;) wobo wooo wobo Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake RPM updates
On Thursday 06 February 2003 03:38 am, James Sparenberg wrote: On Wed, 2003-02-05 at 06:15, et wrote: I have noticed that Redhat, and M$ has lately published listing reguardiing expected support cycles, and all of them are shorter than what most people expect for manufactured products, but this is the way of things, and even more so with computers, since the hardware is planned to be obsolete in 3 to 4 years anyway. This is the sweet spot I'm talking about IF support cycles matched hardware life it would be IMHO a better proposition. In other words doing support life by series not by release. The the life cycle of the series would more closely match the life of the hardware. The problem now is to hit the sweet spot in Corporate world in such a way that they want/need MDK's support and are willing to pay for it! Product life cycle is cool. I still feel it's a little short. I think it is worth mentioning, (more for someone that is just looking thru the archives and comes across this thread) that the support we are talking about is actully package sucurity updates, and not I just got given a Mandrake 7.2 cd, how do I get it installed letters to the mail lists. I am pretty sure that those kinda questions will still get some attention, just not to be worried about by Mandrake Paid Employees. James the real problem (from my narrow little pinhole viewpoint) is the need for applications needing all the computing power available. while most companies got P3 M$ windows boxes, they still use them to emmulate access to a termanel off the server, or run word. stuff they could have done with the wyse monochrom termanal they threw away to have pretty colors. __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake RPM updates
On Thursday 06 February 2003 03:38 am, James Sparenberg wrote: On Wed, 2003-02-05 at 06:15, et wrote: I have noticed that Redhat, and M$ has lately published listing reguardiing expected support cycles, and all of them are shorter than what most people expect for manufactured products, but this is the way of things, and even more so with computers, since the hardware is planned to be obsolete in 3 to 4 years anyway. This is the sweet spot I'm talking about IF support cycles matched hardware life it would be IMHO a better proposition. In other words doing support life by series not by release. The the life cycle of the series would more closely match the life of the hardware. The problem now is to hit the sweet spot in Corporate world in such a way that they want/need MDK's support and are willing to pay for it! Product life cycle is cool. I still feel it's a little short. James the real problem (from my narrow little pinhole viewpoint) is the need for applications needing all the computing power available. while most companies got P3 M$ windows boxes, they still use them to emmulate access to a termanel off the server, or run word. stuff they could have done with the wyse monochrom termanal they threw away to have pretty colors. __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com I would like to see a free support and a paid for support level that is extended, but that seems to be what they tried to do... support th server series longer than the desktop series. that said, I firmly believe the powerpack makes for a damn sweet serveer too, that can fillin as a desktop when needed Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake RPM updates
On Wednesday 05 February 2003 05:05 am, Anne Wilson wrote: On Wednesday 05 Feb 2003 9:03 am, James Sparenberg wrote: Great. after september 30 this year I won't have a single supportable box U Gentlemen. Are you going to give me new laptops with my 9.1 distro? It wouldn't be a problem if I could manage to get software that would last as long as my hardware... well... let's see 8 years on Win95 ... 6 on 98 .. h me thinks the product life cycle is t short. if you are under the impression that M$ has an 8 year product suport for win95, you might try asking M$ what support they offer for win95, and consider that sept 2004 win95 will be 8 years old, as it was 1 year old in 1996 Could someone clarify, please? Does this mean that there will be no security fixes after those dates? If those continue we would be no worse off than with any windows distro. After all, if it works for us now it will continue to do so. But without security updates it's a whole new ball game. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] supermount
music CDs do not get mounted, just played On Wednesday 05 February 2003 08:09 am, Robert Wideman wrote: I dont remember, its been awhile since i have used supermount. Once i started having the probs a few months ago i disabled supermount after reading an article somewhere stating that it has been badly written or something to that effect that it is a non-worthy app. Personally i would not like it automounted, i even disabled autofs when MDK used it. So i just do use any automounting features anymore. If i want something mounted at boot then i put it into /etc/fstab or into another script to mount it on boot up or something. Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Anne Wilson Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 7:03 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] supermount On Wednesday 05 Feb 2003 12:50 pm, Robert Wideman wrote: My problems is that when i want to eject the cdrom i cant do it b/c it auto mounts with supermount when i told it not to. Tell me more - you're umounting from c/l I take it? I have noticed that sometimes it can get picky (I'm normally in gui mode) if anything is reading the directory tree and may be reading the cds directory also. That just means that I have to be careful that I have no Kinq windows or terminals that might by using it - no prob once I realised. Also certain apps require cdrom NOT mounted...then supermount takes command, AAA. This is just my frustration with it, doesnt really cause a problem, just frustration. Yes - I thought of experimenting with udf, but for that I would have to get rid of supermount, I think. In fact, I wouldn't think I could use auto mode either. Haven't entirely thought it through yet, but I would think my only option is to mount/umount from c/l every time. I'm hanging fire on this one. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] supermount
On Wednesday 05 February 2003 07:53 am, Robert Wideman wrote: Mine with supermount -i disable used after install. /dev/scd0 /mnt/cdrom auto codepage=850,iocharset=iso8859-1,noauto,nosuid,ro,umask=0,user,nodev 0 0 /dev/scd1 /mnt/cdrom2 auto codepage=850,iocharset=iso8859-1,noauto,nosuid,ro,umask=0,user,nodev 0 0 /dev/fd0/mnt/floppy auto iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850,sync,unhide,noauto,nosuid,umask=0,user,nod e v 0 0 Yes, i have an all scsi system. If it were IDE it would be /dev/hdb or hdc or something. Rob you can still have scd points with an IDE cdrom, with scsi emulatio scd0 is a valid device for a /dev/scd* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Anne Wilson Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 6:47 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] supermount On Wednesday 05 Feb 2003 12:41 pm, SainTiss wrote: I enabled supermount through the MDK control center, but this is what I got in fstab now: none /mnt/cdrom2 supermount dev=/dev/scd1,fs=auto,ro,--,iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850,noau to,users 0 0 Mine is none /mnt/cdrom2 supermount dev=/dev/scd0,fs=auto,--,user,iocharset=iso8859-15,codepage=850,u mask=0 0 0 Maybe that 'user' is significant? It certainly works for me. I'm not sure what the -- is doing there, so I tried removing it, but to no avail... I couldn't figure that one out either. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] ICH4 on MDK9 resource collision
in bios, turn plug and play aware OS to off On Wednesday 05 February 2003 04:40 am, Birkoff wrote: Hello I have a MSI MS-6580 motherboard with 845PE chipset The problem is that when mdk9 boots it gives me PCI device 0:1f:1 was disabled because of resource collision and because of that the computer behaves like a 486 when it comes about reading/writing on the disks. is there any patch for the default 2.4.19 kernel witch comes with the mdk9? or a newer kernel from mandrake? I can try to install a fresh new kernel from kernel.org but I am afraid that the original kernel was patched and particularised by MDK team. any other suggestions are welcomed. TIA Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake RPM updates
I have noticed that Redhat, and M$ has lately published listing reguardiing expected support cycles, and all of them are shorter than what most people expect for manufactured products, but this is the way of things, and even more so with computers, since the hardware is planned to be obsolete in 3 to 4 years anyway. the real problem (from my narrow little pinhole viewpoint) is the need for applications needing all the computing power available. while most companies got P3 M$ windows boxes, they still use them to emmulate access to a termanel off the server, or run word. stuff they could have done with the wyse monochrom termanal they threw away to have pretty colors. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] supermount
SCNR??? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] supermount
On Wednesday 05 February 2003 09:04 am, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 13:46 +, Anne Wilson wrote: That fits with my experience. Also, if you panic and umount it from c/l you tend to upset it. Closing all, as you say, usually does it. One variatioon on your experience is that it may open and immediately close before you could possibly remove the disk. It then automatically mounts the disk again, and you are back at square one until you've found what's bugging it. I just make sure everything's closed, now. Now this is not that unusual. I raised a boy who is now 19 of age. I remember at 12/13 he showed the same priciple of behaviour as you described above! ;-) Women are like that sometimes, not dependent of their age. SCNR! wobo don't blame it on the age,,, blame the parents. or the fact he is raised in a palce where hookers walk the Strauss, or that he is a German.. ya thats the ticket,,, blame his nationality... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] supermount
On Wednesday 05 February 2003 09:32 am, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 09:23 -0500, et wrote: SCNR??? Sorry Could Not Resist (if you were asking for the meaning) A kind of preventive measure when you know you may get spanked for what you did or wrote. Most important lifesaving sentence in marital life. wobo thank you,,, that was what I was asking. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Load balancer
On Wednesday 05 February 2003 12:35 pm, Belkie, Dan wrote: Hey guys! Is anyone using a Linux box with software as a load balancer between 2 web servers? If so what software? I have been looking and have found: http://www.turbolinux.com/products/tcs/index.html http://www.linuxvirtualserver.org/ Any comments? Thanks in advance. Dan would Mandrake Clic be some of what you have in mind? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Load balancer
On Wednesday 05 February 2003 12:35 pm, Belkie, Dan wrote: Hey guys! Is anyone using a Linux box with software as a load balancer between 2 web servers? If so what software? I have been looking and have found: http://www.turbolinux.com/products/tcs/index.html http://www.linuxvirtualserver.org/ Any comments? Thanks in advance. Dan As this thread got me wondering, I thought I would look at more info on Mandrake Clic, and on this page; http://clic.mandrakesoft.com/index-en.html; I noticed what I think might be a typo, [EMAIL PROTECTED] or is it? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Fwd: [expert] Best Mandrake yet!!!
On Tuesday 04 February 2003 04:59 am, Steffen Barszus wrote: On Tuesday 04 February 2003 07:22, Vincent Danen wrote: On Tue Feb 04, 2003 at 09:54:32AM +1100, Ron Stodden wrote: .. Well, be that as it may, did DrakX ever advertise this windows-alike behaviour? Did it say that if you did a package upgrade install that it would do what you seem to expect it to do? This isn't something you should be bitching about post-release... this is something you should bring up during development... I can't recall ever seeing any thread about this to date. To say that updates clobbered your system and DrakX didn't fix it for me when we never said it would do this, is not really acceptable. You should bring this up with the developers. Not sitting back and crying about it because you just assumed it was there. It is incredible to me that this obvious requirement seems to have been totally overlooked by Mandrake. which is more evidence that the developers just ignore industry experience and do not appear to actually be using the product in any user-workhorse mode. Well, that's just a load of crap and you know it. I think I use my workstation just as hard as any Win98 user does... and it's rock solid for me. Don't use the product in any user-workhorse mode? Yeah... right. Anyways, this is something you should bring up on cooker... I doubt it can be accomplished for 9.1, but if no one asks for it, we dont't think about it or know it's important to people. Can't be *that* important as this is the first I've heard of it in 3 years. Remember, we are not Windows. Ok, we may be missing some of the good features of Windows in some instances, but we're also missing a lot of the bad ones. We didn't set out to make a Windows clone, you know. Woow. No please no reinstalling will solve your Problems. I can't believe someone can get such an idea. IF there should be a system-restoring app, then it should not use bad design like re-installing to do its job. We are using linux, so if it will be done it should work like WinXP restoring and with given seperated configuration and apps the restoring should be functional without eating up disc-space like XP do. (saving the index of installerd rpm's and backing up conf-files should do the job , shouldn't it ?) For sure a nice idea for newbies. hmmm sounds like rtfd is not his friend, and I would sure have been suprized if he felt the same way had he considered the f1-rescue instead of enter to install, and the fact it is all spelled out in a manner even a 12 year old native english speaker could understand. I think the rescue mode is what he is asking for. or else he is asking for M$. and believe me, reinstalling over a botched install/configuratiion of M$anything does not neccessarly fix anything. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Best Mandrake yet!!!
On Tuesday 04 February 2003 04:01 am, James Sparenberg wrote: On Tue, 2003-02-04 at 01:01, Michael Adams wrote: On Mon, 03 Feb 2003 22:15, Will Styles wrote: On Sun, 2 Feb 2003 05:43 pm, Mark Weaver wrote: J.P. Pasnak wrote: snip If you want to change it on a per-user basis, create an '.Xdefaults' file in your home directory and add the following lines: --- Xcursor.size: 16 Xcursor.theme: whiteglass --- JP, You're my hero! thanks man...now ALL is right with the world again. :) it doesn't work for me :( i put those lines at the end of my already-existing ~/.Xdefaults, logged out and logged back into kde. but i don't get anything other than the usual dull black cursor with a white outline. using kde3.0.3, mdk9, xfree 4.2.1. what could be wrong? i desparately want a cool cursor! :-) - Will Question: Does logging out and logging back in restart X? I know there was a keyboard shortcut that does restart X, don't quote me but it might have been [Alt] [Backspace] or something similar. Nevermind it will be in the KDE docs somewhere, probably alongside a more politically correct method. doesn't restart X... ctrl-alt-backspace does or ... from a tty killall X does it as well. James -- Michael or as root in a text console init 3 without the quotes Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] rpm error. update!
TOP post have you tried this ? from the errrata page... Why: The installer misconfigured the medium description of Contribution packages. Solution: Insert the Installation CD (CD-ROM #1) and issue the command urpmi.update cdrom8 as root On Tuesday 04 February 2003 07:43 am, Franki wrote: I did: rm -f /var/lib/rpm/__* rpm --rebuilddb To see if that would fix it... now I am getting this error when I try the rpm --rebuilddb error: db4 error(5) from dbcursor-c_get: Input/output error Any one know what the problem is and how to fix it.. This is a live mysql server, and I can't run mandrake update... If I can't get this working, I'm gonna have to update it manually. any help would be most appreciated... rgds Franki -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Franki Sent: Tuesday, 4 February 2003 8:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [expert] rpm error. Hi guys, I am getting this error when I try to use mandrakeupdate... rpmd: region error detected; run recovery. What is recovery??? trying to rebuild the db gives the same error.. Not sure what to do about it.. rgds Frank Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] new 9.0 install dropping ssh/dns traffic
On Tuesday 04 February 2003 02:00 pm, Christopher Kolar wrote: Hi. I recently had an 8.x box go up in flames, so,,, what did you do to get the smoke out of them little boxes,,, and what color was the smoke??? sorry i don't have more info about the real problem, are you saying you can not ssh ? Is named running? so I rebuilt it with a clean install of 9.0. I configured the firewall using the control center to allow WWW, SMTP, DNS, and SSH traffic inbound. While mail and web traffic is flowing in normally, traffic to named and sshd on ports 53/22 respectively are being closed. Shorewall appears to be configured properly when I look at the rules, and a port scan from another host shows those ports as being available. I would appreciate any advice that can be offered, I figure that I missed something that may be a more or less obvious change made since I last had to spend time configuring my network connectivity. Thanks, --chris /\/\ Christopher G. Kolar Coordinator of Information and Technology Integration Illinois Mathematics and Science Academy [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://staff.imsa.edu/~ckolarstaff.imsa.edu/~ckolar -- PGP Public Key ID: 0xC6492C72 Information literacy news, tools, and programs: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]infoliteracy-subscribe@i ti.cnsnet.imsa.mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]edu Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Staroffice/openoffice problem
On Tuesday 04 February 2003 12:55 pm, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 09:43 -0800, James Sparenberg wrote: On Tue, 2003-02-04 at 01:42, Anne Wilson wrote: On Tuesday 04 Feb 2003 5:39 am, James Sparenberg wrote: Anne .. whith me being blind in one eye and unable to see from the other do you happen to have the url. I do use Asian fonts on occasion and have had trouble. Thanks. http://wwws.sun.com/software/star/staroffice/6.0/patch.html Thank you... I did not follow this thread like I should have done, sorry. I looked at the page and what I'd like to know is: What problems did you have that were fixed by this patch - or better: what problems is this patch supposed to fix? I've been using SO6 (installed from the 9.0 DVD) extensively with documents, spreadsheets and presentations, many times switching between M$ Office apps and SO6. I never experienced major problems, the only problems I had were on the M$ side. I guess that the patch will be in the SO6 version of the 9.1 DVD when it will be released, so is there any reason why I should install the patch now? wobo one of this thread was the one you offered to test for Preador, the Star office presentation that gave an error when saving to Powerpoint, but could be cut and pasted to a new file, and saved with no problem, and Anne had a couple of files that were Star Office writter, that opening both files at the same time, (ie clicking on one file, and befor it got opend, if you clicked on the other file to open it, that froze the box. mouse moved, no keyboard response, no problem to ssh in form inside the lan and shut down with reboot. did the same on a few differnet boxes, but cp file1 file2 the file 2 works and opens cleanly etc Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Staroffice/openoffice problem
On Tuesday 04 February 2003 03:53 pm, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 15:37 -0500, et wrote: one of this thread was the one you offered to test for Preador, the Star office presentation that gave an error when saving to Powerpoint, but could be cut and pasted to a new file, and saved with no problem, and Anne had a I think that one was not really a SO fault. couple of files that were Star Office writter, that opening both files at the same time, (ie clicking on one file, and befor it got opend, if you clicked on the other file to open it, that froze the box. mouse moved, no keyboard response, no problem to ssh in form inside the lan and shut down with reboot. did the same on a few differnet boxes, but cp file1 file2 the file 2 works and opens cleanly etc This sounds like a clear thing in favour of the patch as Anne stated she did not have that problem after installing the patch. Thanks to you and Anne and James for enlightening me. wobo I would not put bets on where to blame in either case,,, my [gag,,cough, cough, choke] intuition makes me think of some weird kinda file corruption in both cases, but SO is the only common thread _that_ _we_ _know_ _of_. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Wishes for Mandrake and 9.1
On Monday 03 February 2003 01:29 am, James Sparenberg wrote: BTW how is win2000 never tried it (seriously) let me tell you about a OS that bites... I run a SMP box, (p3 1000s) that is sweet with Mandrake SMP, and I used to show people how much slower winME was on the same box, (knowing full well win ME only saw the one CPU),, well when i got a gift of win2000pro, I installed it as a tripple boot, and let me tell you,, in spite of W2k noticeing the second CPU, it is a bigger dog than win ME as far as getting things done multitasking. in Mandrake, I have no noticable slow down to burn a cd, download an ISO, use the ViaVoice and dictate a letter and allow the printer to be used from a differnet computer on the lan, as well as have about a dozen winows in Konq and six in Galeon. as well as backup the hard drive to a different computer. in win 2k burning a cd is about all it can do at one time. I used to see if I could do so many things that the box would slow down, but I have given that up in Mandrake, I just don't see a slowdown. in win ME I can burn a cd and surf the web at the same time, just can't burn a cd and render a video at the same time, but in Mandreake, while the render may take a little longer, there is none of the mouse freezing that win2k cann't get past. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Staroffice/openoffice problem
try sending the starimpress presentation to me off list... let's see if the same thing happens here.. I have a starimpress presentation that I must save as a powerpoint presentation. Trying to do so from either staroffice 6.0 or OO 1.0.1 fails with a beep and a General error input/output error. Is there some limitation/issue with these packages with regards to saving to powerpoint? praedor - -- Conservatives of all times are adventitious liars. - - Friedrich Nietzsche. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+PmXt1i/6R1B/Yh0RApkZAKCYhztmnsana14SMrzcq8RfD1ropwCfSfwX CWa8vRZdQZiAtG78NCwQIzI= =D8i4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Disk corruption - was Re: Fwd: [expert] Best Mandrake yet!!!
more likely it may be you are attempting to run at your hard drives faster speeds than the MObo, chipset and drives can stand and they are getting noise and chatter and EMF On Monday 03 February 2003 07:31 am, Anne Wilson wrote: On Monday 03 Feb 2003 12:27 pm, tarvid wrote: I am convinced that hardware is a factor in many bug reports. If bug reports included motherboard/CPU/diskdrive we might spot a correlation in a matter of weeks. I think this bears more investigation. I have a feeling that motherboard based problems have increased recently, and wonder if there is any correlation with the increased weight of heat sinks and fans required for high powered processors, and the inevitable extra strain on the supporting mobo. Seems to me that since mobos normally stand upright these days the strain must be great. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Staroffice/openoffice problem
ok, here is the kick in the crotch I could not save it in SO powerpoint, so i created a new presentation, copy and pasted all the slides to the new presentation, and it saved with no problem. On Monday 03 February 2003 01:20 pm, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: On Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 09:57 -0800, James Sparenberg wrote: Pradeor, Had a real PowderPoint file I edited and tried to save about 6 months ago, To get it to save I had to first save it in Star Office's format. Then close the file Open it and then I could save it as a power point, I don't know why it did this. I've never been able to repeat it. It just did. The only other thing I can think of is that SO is opened under user A and user B is the owner of the directory. (I've done this a number of times) SO doesn't give good error messages in this case and the results you are getting are the same as in the case I mentioned. Tried the option with opening it in SO6 and without starting the presentation trying to save as PowerPoint. Error! There is only one defined user (apart from the usual crowd: root, news, nobody, etc.) and the original file as well as the tearget directory are both in this user's home. All I tried so far resulted in the same error as the original poster described. I created another presentation with exactly the same amount of slides and a lot of images (no meaningful contents just a dummy file) and had no trouble to save it as PowerPoint file. Must be something in the file. Strange! wobo Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] KDE in 9.0
so, ron, is there any change in te error mesages if you use su - instead of su? is that the only message, and does kpackage work? does it start at all? On Monday 03 February 2003 06:24 pm, Ron Stodden wrote: What is KDE doing all this for when I run kpackage in a terminal? This situation existed long before my recently-reported system clobbering. [root@small ron]# kpackage _KDE_IceTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.ICE-unix should be set to root DCOPServer up and running. kio (KService*): WARNING: Invalid Service : Networking/WWW/Mozilla.mail.desktop error stat'ing fd 3: Bad file descriptor [here kpackage was exited. No entry followed the following prompt] [root@small ron]# Mutex destroy failure: Device or resource busy kdeinit: Fatal IO error: client killed kdeinit: sending SIGHUP to children. kdeinit: sending SIGTERM to children. kdeinit: Exit. [hang. Here a ^C was necessary]. [root@small ron]# Re: _KDE_IceTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.ICE-unix should be set to root Setting the owner as per above does not stop the message. What service is invalid? What said so? *.desktop is not a service. What file had a bad file descriptor? According to what? What device or resource was busy? Who said so? What was it busy doing? What client was killed? The information that answers these questions was immediately available when the message is being prepared and was deliberately omitted. Why? This is a sick form of agression by the developer against his users. In this parlous state, is 9.0 a viable product? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Be a leader, not a follower. OT too, kinda,,,
I would like to thank Mark Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] who posted this last weekend, and now has it working for even those of us on Earthlink-mindspring Hi all, Given the amount of traffic and passion related over the last few days concerning things totally off topic where Mandrake Linux is concerned has led me to a place where I'm willing to try an experiment of sorts. I've created a mailing list for anyone here on the newbie and expert lists where they can freely talk about all the off topic stuff they have a need for. The link to sign up is below. http://mdw1982.dyndns.org/mailman/listinfo/mandrakeot If you wish to subscibe by sending a message to the list software you can use the email address below. [EMAIL PROTECTED] The format for the command is as follows, while the subject header is meaningless to the list software. In the body of the message place this information as you see it: subscribe your.password plain [EMAIL PROTECTED] your.password = a password of your choice your.email.addy = your email address. Example subscribe command: subscribe password plain [EMAIL PROTECTED] All are welcome. -- Mark --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.0 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?
You want it to sound like these powers were not part of the same set of allies; but they were. It was not a double war, it was a single war on two fronts. LX ehh,,, they sure did not surrender together. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?
Frankl says To put it simply, we MUSTN'T judge Bush, because we have no idea what he knows.. I say very wrong statement,,, absolute power corrupts absolutely. We MUST Judge the Government continueally, if we are ever to hope to have a government by the people, for the people and of the people. I think it was also Frankl that said I just compared Mr. Bush's speech with the speeches of Hitler and Goering in 1939. I would love anyone that has studied Goering-Hitler to apply the same standards and study Rush Limbaugh-Bush. That is a thesis I would read and give much consideration to. LX says cause he got well over 9 standing ovations that I could count. I could be wrong here, but in the past I had seen (some where damn if I remember where now) that an average for standing ovations at a State of the Union Address was 21. Damian Gatabria said Hard to see.. the future is. Always in motion it is impossible to see. Yoda, read from you again, good it is. James Sparenberg says; How about if I, an American, Vetran, and Native born Citizen. Call him the scariest thing I've ever seen. How about I, an American, Vietnam Veteran, and Native born Citizen who can trace his roots back to the pilgrims and Jamestown on one side, and the Revolutionary war on the other side, says a damn loud; ME TOO. Just wait till it's Jeb's turn to be Prez. (2008) he is a lot smarter than Geo, and that will be even scarier. Dallam Wych says; It costs a lot of money to keep troops stationed on foreign soil, plus it pumps a lot of money into countries that dispise you anyway. unless the US Military decides to have truly Universal Conscription we will always be giving the countries that dispise you a reason to dislike the USA, since we are sending the underclass (economicly and social skill classes) to their soil. unless people like the Bush family (and lots of other Politically connected families) are required to send their children to war and not allowed to avoid the dirty parts of war (like pulling dogtags off dead bodies or packing body bags, or marking where body parts are found with flags after a jet crash, or seeing the face of someone that is kill or be killed for you.) then The USA has no moral high ground to stand on, in my opinion. Praedor Tempus Atrebates said; This is WAY offtopic and would be better suited for an alt.* newsgroup. As a US Desert Storm veteran and now reservist, I think I can speak for EVERYONE that Bush is an idiot, in fact, he truly is the most ignorant, ill-educated president that the US has EVER had and that his actions, politics, and behavior is an unfortunate expression of this fact. Lets just leave it here at what we ALL can and must agree on because these are simple, objective facts. There, all fixed. Now this topic can die. Well said Praedor. Having lived a few years on the economy in Germany, and having had business, personal and political problems with the Bush family, being a Democrate from Miami-Dade County Fla. and having generations long family friends and neighbors of the Reno family (Janet's dad and my mom worked together for many years), I my have a somewhat different view about this than some, and I sure love to put my useless -.02$USD view here too. altho I will NOT speak about the personal and business problems I have had with the Bush family, just leave it that the business was in real estate. and the personal stuff involved Donald Rumsfeld and Bush the senior in the time frame between 1969 and 1980 (sometime in there, that ought to be vague enough to keep me out of further trouble) IMHO, the German view of Government is much more business like than the American view. American Government seems to be very idealistic and often will pass and enforce laws that are not really by the people, for the people and of the people in spite of any mandate. That's why we had laws like liqueur prohibition, and the Federal criminalization of Marijuana, (even where the popular vote has legalized marijuana the federal government steps in and says basicly, we don't care what laws you pass, or that over half the people in the USA have done it, we ain't gonna allow this to be legal. It is a big business, and there are lots of folks in the inner circles making lots of money from it being against the law. In the USA you can not just go to the Apothecary and pick up a concentrated caffeine drops to help stay awake or loose weight ($15.00USD and 10 min. time), since we want you to have to see a doctor, ($70.00 TO $100.00) then go to a drug store and pay an outrageous amount of money for a drug to loose weight or stay awake (80.00 a month), and then to find out the drug will kill you 10 years from now due to some organ it weakened. To me, this is the difference, very thrifty and business like to just get what you want with the min. of interferance, as opposed to a bunch of laws (designed to make it safe) creating a buracracy
Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?
On Wednesday 29 January 2003 11:14 am, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 10:53 -0500, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: That's right, Chuck; that's exactly what you would expect from a brainwashed socialist liberal with absolutely no facts on their side except for worthless emotional outbursts created by the flood of brainwash diarrea from the communist socialists they call their media. Of course you know exactly what you want to say with this? I do not. I would say it was a case of the pot calling the kettle black They swallow without even looking. Now what is better? Swallowing the shit without looking or looking it up closely and then swallow it anyway like you apparently do? wobo looks like poop... smells like poop, feels like poop, if you think it's not poop, then you taste it Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?
On Wednesday 29 January 2003 11:32 am, Sascha Noyes wrote: The terms socialist and liberal are mutually exclusive. Sascha Noyes so that is your final say on that? or how do you realy feel? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow?
Take it offlist or people will start getting booted from the list. I don't have the capability to do it right now, but I will request it if this thread continues too much longer. don't do that, don't even threaten it. these are very helpful folks that feel a need to discuss this. besides, it will go away MUCH quicker if nothing like this is ever said Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
