[FairfieldLife] Re: Trending Now

[maskedzebra]

seventhray1: Incredible post zarzari.  Just incredible.  The window seems to 
have
 opened a little for Judy to possibly see things differently.  I hope she
 will take your advice to heart, and not retreat into the same old, same
 old.  Well done.


RESPONSE: Incredible post seventhray1. Just incredible. The window seems to 
have slammed shut completely for seventhray to possibly see things differently. 
I hope he will take this judgment to heart, and not retreat into the same old, 
same old. Well done. Your prejudice, your blindness, your imperviousness is 
shocking, Steve. Are you even beyond the prayers of your "very devout Catholic" 
wife? I hope not. She must find you at times terribly mischievous and 
irritating. You have NEVER taken in the amount of reality and truth that would 
permit you to make the judgments you make. You are perversely selective in 
almost everything you say [except in telling us about your children]. There is 
no willingness to let realty have some play inside of you, to lead you, to 
inspire you in your responses. You will never travel into the unknown. You 
don't surround an issue with your heart and mind. You are looking always, in 
every instance, to feed your own predetermined point of view. It is an outrage. 
It is a tragedy. I feel deeply sorry for you, Steve. But evidently there is 
nothing you can do about this. Your niceness is poisoned at its tip. Of course 
you don't know anything about all this I am telling you, but this does not in 
any way make it less true. But there is no telling you anything, Steve, and you 
have already got your mind in working order to make some response to this which 
will miss entirely the impact of what I have said. You won't let anything hit 
you, Steve. You are innocently conning yourself out of grappling with the 
issues here honestly and existentially. You are ant-existential ini your 
approach: intellectually and morally. This has nothing to with my view of 
anyone you have discussed by the way. I am not—it is hard even to find myself 
telling you this—attempting to respond to you out of our differences of point 
of view. I accept your point of view *in principle*. But what I find so 
disappointing and killing to the soul is your strange personal methodology of 
examining the character of another person. Your experience is so fixed and 
unchangeable that it will not tolerate the notion of *discovery*, of 
experimental knowledge. Everything you read at FFL is only read from the 
perspective of the extent to which it reinforces your prior determinative way 
of seeing someone. Steve, I am sorry, but you don't get a passing grade at all. 
Do you want to get into all this? It's not worth it—not for me, not for you. 
You do have a pulse, right?

Your loving friend,
Robin

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"  wrote:
>
> 
> Incredible post zarzari.  Just incredible.  The window seems to have
> opened a little for Judy to possibly see things differently.  I hope she
> will take your advice to heart, and not retreat into the same old, same
> old.  Well done.
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786  wrote:
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" jstein@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Responding to two of zarzari's posts here:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786  wrote:
> > > 
> > > > The moment you drop some turd on Barry, you have already
> > > > got 100 points with Judy. Next do some love-bombing, and
> > > > tell her that her logic is irrefutable, or even further,
> > > > tell her that she understands very subtle points about
> > > > enlightenment / God etc, you name it, nobody on FFL is yet
> > > > ready to 'get', and she throws her underwear at you.
> > >
> > > "Judy, your post was brilliant, and I never had a doubt that your
> > > intellect is among the sharpest here, and that's why I can say to
> > > you, I have the clear feeling, there is some love-bombing going on
> > > here."--zarzari, #298524
> > >
> > > "Judy, already there was so much praise about this post of yours,
> > > and I agree with that! that I hardly dare to answer you."--zarzari,
> > > #298541
> > >
> > > "Just imagine, you got a new lover, with whom you are deeply in
> > > romantic love, and after three years you notice, that he is utterly
> > > stupid, and you can't even talk to him, because he wouldn't even
> > > understand. What a shame for somebody with your brilliant
> intellect."
> > > --zarzari, #298541
> > >
> > > "This is a very clear and beautiful explanation here
> Judy."--zarzari,
> > > #299795
> >
> > Judy, glad you found the above references, indeed demonstrations of my
> love bombing to you as per your verdict. (I'm putting on my best Ravi
> voice:) You can frame it and put it on to your largest wall, and look at
> the picture I have drawn of you - how nice.
> >
> > And, you know, Judy, I stand by those quotes, for the reasons and in
> the circumstances I quoted them. That's one Judy I 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Collapse of the Wave Function

[Ravi Chivukula]

Thus I spend the whole day in 7 states of consciousness - deep sleep, dream, 
waking(normal), mildly blissful, mildly painful, incredibly painful and 
incredibly blissful states. 

(Blissful = manic, extroverted, oneness)
(Painful = depressive, introverted, seperation)

So my ex was wrong, I'm not bipolar, I'm heptapolar, fully alert always, 
transitioning through these 7 states fluidly, gracefully and effortlessly.

Now y'all retarded liberal intellectuals, retarded therapists, retarded 
psychologists, retarded psychiatrists, get in a fucking room with Prozac Inc 
OK?.This is an extreme case, the only known heptapolar man on this entire 
fucking planet, get busy OK..LOL..

Love,
Ravi.


On Jan 7, 2012, at 10:46 PM, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:

> And then you can rightly conclude the consequences.
> 
> I go through lot of pain at my predicament and others around me. Heck I can't 
> even get a girl friend because I apply the highest standards of truth and 
> integrity to myself.
> 
> But then I get incredibly blissed because I know I'm the emperor that owns 
> this fucking existence, 'cause I fucking created it !!!
> 
> 
> On Jan 7, 2012, at 10:18 PM, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
> 
>> I actually created this world. I thought I planned it pretty good but I made 
>> a big mistake, I included myself in my creation subject to the same rules 
>> which I obviously can't remember. But I know this game has an end so I just 
>> ride along. So I know this is all mine, I own everyone's ass, but people 
>> think I'm mad and crazy, why?
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 7, 2012, at 9:20 PM, Shain McVay  wrote:
>> 
>>> Forgot to mention the heart matters a lot I imagine.  So everything you 
>>> said is apart of it. But you got me on how the rest of it works.  Also I 
>>> pointed out that what matters is also important in the collapse of the wave 
>>> function, so other than that I don't kow what to tell ya. I have my own 
>>> spiritual experiances that seem to explain some of what I said.  But hey 
>>> maybe you have a better idea of how it works.
>>> 
>>> From: Ravi Chivukula 
>>> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2012 8:47 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Collapse of the Wave Function
>>> 
>>>  
>>> WTF..here I am talking about my beloved, love, sex, hate, pain, bliss, 
>>> longing, separation, oneness and you are talking about this garbage. You 
>>> must be suffering from irrevocable, irreparable, irretrievable brain 
>>> damage, am I correct in assuming this shaim307?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 7:37 PM, shainm307  wrote:
>>>  
>>> 
>>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shainm307" shainm307@ wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > Is anyone else interested in how this works?
>>> > 
>>> > It sure interests me. I don't have a clue how it
>>> > works.
>>> > 
>>> > > Anyone else curious on how reality manifests itself
>>> > > and what determines differnt outcomes? This is what
>>> > > John Hagelin told us
>>> > 
>>> > What's what John Hagelin told us?
>>> John told our physics class this when we asked him a few years back.
>>> > > but he made it clear that he isn't 100% certain
>>> > 
>>> > That's intriguing. I've never heard him say that
>>> > about anything (but then I haven't been listening
>>> > to whatever he's said lately).
>>> He said something like "You have no idea just how complicated this really 
>>> is and you're not letting me off the hook here."  Then he also said "It 
>>> honest to God is random."
>>> > and
>>> > > it's more comlicated than you can imagine. He said
>>> > > that it is an unnatural question but reality will
>>> > > provide you with an answer.
>>> > 
>>> > That's pretty cryptic. Any idea what he means?
>>> > 
>>> > > He also said it could be an entity on the other side.
>>> > 
>>> > Whoa. What kind of "entity"? On the other side of what?
>>> > And what's "it" referring to?
>>> He's probally refering to the Hidden Sector Matter part of the universe or 
>>> the other side of the equation in Hectoratic E8xE8
>>> > > also he said it's just the will of God. Anyone else
>>> > > have their speculations on how this works. I have
>>> > > my own speculation but I'm probably wrong on something.
>>> > 
>>> > Why don't you post your speculation, give us something
>>> > to bounce off of?
>>> I think how your reality manifests itself is based off random probabilities 
>>> with the exception of Maxwell's Daemon which manifests things in an 
>>> unrandom way. This is all due to the potentiality waves based off 
>>> probabilities with the height of the wave the most likely outcome; Maxwells 
>>> Demon just influences the probabilities( John made this clear in his 
>>> physics class if you ever took it). So you live your day through the 
>>> probabilities with the collapse of the wave function being determined in a 
>>> random way(Randomness is my specualtation as scientists aren't sure). Now 
>>> here comes the unrandom part: your

[FairfieldLife] Re: Collapse of the Wave Function

[Ravi Chivukula]

Calling Uncle Vaj, the one trick parrot, man that constantly chokes on
parroted shit. Calling the retarded psychologist, the resident TM TB
shukra69.
What do you say you fucking retards?


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula
 wrote:
>
> Thus I spend the whole day in 7 states of consciousness - deep sleep,
dream, waking(normal), mildly blissful, mildly painful, incredibly
painful and incredibly blissful states.
>
> (Blissful = manic, extroverted, oneness)
> (Painful = depressive, introverted, seperation)
>
> So my ex was wrong, I'm not bipolar, I'm heptapolar, fully alert
always, transitioning through these 7 states fluidly, gracefully and
effortlessly.
>
> Now y'all retarded liberal intellectuals, retarded therapists,
retarded psychologists, retarded psychiatrists, get in a fucking room
with Prozac Inc OK?.This is an extreme case, the only known heptapolar
man on this entire fucking planet, get busy OK..LOL..
>
> Love,
> Ravi.
>
>
> On Jan 7, 2012, at 10:46 PM, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote:
>
> > And then you can rightly conclude the consequences.
> >
> > I go through lot of pain at my predicament and others around me.
Heck I can't even get a girl friend because I apply the highest
standards of truth and integrity to myself.
> >
> > But then I get incredibly blissed because I know I'm the emperor
that owns this fucking existence, 'cause I fucking created it !!!
> >
> >
> > On Jan 7, 2012, at 10:18 PM, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@...
wrote:
> >
> >> I actually created this world. I thought I planned it pretty good
but I made a big mistake, I included myself in my creation subject to
the same rules which I obviously can't remember. But I know this game
has an end so I just ride along. So I know this is all mine, I own
everyone's ass, but people think I'm mad and crazy, why?
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jan 7, 2012, at 9:20 PM, Shain McVay shainm307@... wrote:
> >>
> >>> Forgot to mention the heart matters a lot I imagine.  So
everything you said is apart of it. But you got me on how the rest of it
works.  Also I pointed out that what matters is also important in the
collapse of the wave function, so other than that I don't kow what to
tell ya. I have my own spiritual experiances that seem to explain some
of what I said.  But hey maybe you have a better idea of how it works.
> >>>
> >>> From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@...
> >>> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> >>> Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2012 8:47 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Collapse of the Wave Function
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> WTF..here I am talking about my beloved, love, sex, hate, pain,
bliss, longing, separation, oneness and you are talking about this
garbage. You must be suffering from irrevocable, irreparable,
irretrievable brain damage, am I correct in assuming this shaim307?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 7:37 PM, shainm307 shainm307@... wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" jstein@ wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shainm307" shainm307@
wrote:
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Is anyone else interested in how this works?
> >>> >
> >>> > It sure interests me. I don't have a clue how it
> >>> > works.
> >>> >
> >>> > > Anyone else curious on how reality manifests itself
> >>> > > and what determines differnt outcomes? This is what
> >>> > > John Hagelin told us
> >>> >
> >>> > What's what John Hagelin told us?
> >>> John told our physics class this when we asked him a few years
back.
> >>> > > but he made it clear that he isn't 100% certain
> >>> >
> >>> > That's intriguing. I've never heard him say that
> >>> > about anything (but then I haven't been listening
> >>> > to whatever he's said lately).
> >>> He said something like "You have no idea just how complicated this
really is and you're not letting me off the hook here."  Then he also
said "It honest to God is random."
> >>> > and
> >>> > > it's more comlicated than you can imagine. He said
> >>> > > that it is an unnatural question but reality will
> >>> > > provide you with an answer.
> >>> >
> >>> > That's pretty cryptic. Any idea what he means?
> >>> >
> >>> > > He also said it could be an entity on the other side.
> >>> >
> >>> > Whoa. What kind of "entity"? On the other side of what?
> >>> > And what's "it" referring to?
> >>> He's probally refering to the Hidden Sector Matter part of the
universe or the other side of the equation in Hectoratic E8xE8
> >>> > > also he said it's just the will of God. Anyone else
> >>> > > have their speculations on how this works. I have
> >>> > > my own speculation but I'm probably wrong on something.
> >>> >
> >>> > Why don't you post your speculation, give us something
> >>> > to bounce off of?
> >>> I think how your reality manifests itself is based off random
probabilities with the exception of Maxwell's Daemon which manifests
things in an unrandom way. This is all due to the potentiality waves
based off probabilities with the height of the wave the most l

[FairfieldLife] Re: Trending Now

[Ravi Chivukula]

i.e in Ravspeak = Steve, a pea brained heartland retard.
My rakshasaa, metaphorical demon of ignorance.
You have to admit, he is one lucky sonofabitch, lot of good karma he
has, that he attracts so much attention from me. I still love him..LOL..

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra  wrote:
>
> seventhray1: Incredible post zarzari.  Just incredible.  The window
seems to have
>  opened a little for Judy to possibly see things differently.  I hope
she
>  will take your advice to heart, and not retreat into the same old,
same
>  old.  Well done.
>
>
> RESPONSE: Incredible post seventhray1. Just incredible. The window
seems to have slammed shut completely for seventhray to possibly see
things differently. I hope he will take this judgment to heart, and not
retreat into the same old, same old. Well done. Your prejudice, your
blindness, your imperviousness is shocking, Steve. Are you even beyond
the prayers of your "very devout Catholic" wife? I hope not. She must
find you at times terribly mischievous and irritating. You have NEVER
taken in the amount of reality and truth that would permit you to make
the judgments you make. You are perversely selective in almost
everything you say [except in telling us about your children]. There is
no willingness to let realty have some play inside of you, to lead you,
to inspire you in your responses. You will never travel into the
unknown. You don't surround an issue with your heart and mind. You are
looking always, in every instance, to feed your own predetermined point
of view. It is an outrage. It is a tragedy. I feel deeply sorry for you,
Steve. But evidently there is nothing you can do about this. Your
niceness is poisoned at its tip. Of course you don't know anything about
all this I am telling you, but this does not in any way make it less
true. But there is no telling you anything, Steve, and you have already
got your mind in working order to make some response to this which will
miss entirely the impact of what I have said. You won't let anything hit
you, Steve. You are innocently conning yourself out of grappling with
the issues here honestly and existentially. You are ant-existential ini
your approach: intellectually and morally. This has nothing to with my
view of anyone you have discussed by the way. I am not—it is hard
even to find myself telling you this—attempting to respond to you
out of our differences of point of view. I accept your point of view *in
principle*. But what I find so disappointing and killing to the soul is
your strange personal methodology of examining the character of another
person. Your experience is so fixed and unchangeable that it will not
tolerate the notion of *discovery*, of experimental knowledge.
Everything you read at FFL is only read from the perspective of the
extent to which it reinforces your prior determinative way of seeing
someone. Steve, I am sorry, but you don't get a passing grade at all. Do
you want to get into all this? It's not worth it—not for me, not for
you. You do have a pulse, right?
>
> Your loving friend,
> Robin
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" steve.sundur@
wrote:
> >
> >
> > Incredible post zarzari.  Just incredible.  The window seems to have
> > opened a little for Judy to possibly see things differently.  I hope
she
> > will take your advice to heart, and not retreat into the same old,
same
> > old.  Well done.
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" jstein@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Responding to two of zarzari's posts here:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786 
wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > The moment you drop some turd on Barry, you have already
> > > > > got 100 points with Judy. Next do some love-bombing, and
> > > > > tell her that her logic is irrefutable, or even further,
> > > > > tell her that she understands very subtle points about
> > > > > enlightenment / God etc, you name it, nobody on FFL is yet
> > > > > ready to 'get', and she throws her underwear at you.
> > > >
> > > > "Judy, your post was brilliant, and I never had a doubt that
your
> > > > intellect is among the sharpest here, and that's why I can say
to
> > > > you, I have the clear feeling, there is some love-bombing going
on
> > > > here."--zarzari, #298524
> > > >
> > > > "Judy, already there was so much praise about this post of
yours,
> > > > and I agree with that! that I hardly dare to answer
you."--zarzari,
> > > > #298541
> > > >
> > > > "Just imagine, you got a new lover, with whom you are deeply in
> > > > romantic love, and after three years you notice, that he is
utterly
> > > > stupid, and you can't even talk to him, because he wouldn't even
> > > > understand. What a shame for somebody with your brilliant
> > intellect."
> > > > --zarzari, #298541
> > > >
> > > > "This is a very clear and beautiful explanation here
> > Judy."--zarzari,
> > > > #299795
> > >
> > > 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Trending Now

[Ravi Chivukula]

Steve, can't form a coherent sentence in the only language he knows, his
native tongue, yet brazenly lies that he reads Shakespeare? LOL..how can
you not love him. Steve, totally fascinated by Perverts"R"Us - Curtis
and Barry..LOL..
OK enough fun for tonight Ravi, OK - calm the fuck down.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Chivukula"
 wrote:
>
> i.e in Ravspeak = Steve, a pea brained heartland retard.
> My rakshasaa, metaphorical demon of ignorance.
> You have to admit, he is one lucky sonofabitch, lot of good karma he
> has, that he attracts so much attention from me. I still love
him..LOL..
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote:
> >
> > seventhray1: Incredible post zarzari.  Just incredible.  The window
> seems to have
> >  opened a little for Judy to possibly see things differently.  I
hope
> she
> >  will take your advice to heart, and not retreat into the same old,
> same
> >  old.  Well done.
> >
> >
> > RESPONSE: Incredible post seventhray1. Just incredible. The window
> seems to have slammed shut completely for seventhray to possibly see
> things differently. I hope he will take this judgment to heart, and
not
> retreat into the same old, same old. Well done. Your prejudice, your
> blindness, your imperviousness is shocking, Steve. Are you even beyond
> the prayers of your "very devout Catholic" wife? I hope not. She must
> find you at times terribly mischievous and irritating. You have NEVER
> taken in the amount of reality and truth that would permit you to make
> the judgments you make. You are perversely selective in almost
> everything you say [except in telling us about your children]. There
is
> no willingness to let realty have some play inside of you, to lead
you,
> to inspire you in your responses. You will never travel into the
> unknown. You don't surround an issue with your heart and mind. You are
> looking always, in every instance, to feed your own predetermined
point
> of view. It is an outrage. It is a tragedy. I feel deeply sorry for
you,
> Steve. But evidently there is nothing you can do about this. Your
> niceness is poisoned at its tip. Of course you don't know anything
about
> all this I am telling you, but this does not in any way make it less
> true. But there is no telling you anything, Steve, and you have
already
> got your mind in working order to make some response to this which
will
> miss entirely the impact of what I have said. You won't let anything
hit
> you, Steve. You are innocently conning yourself out of grappling with
> the issues here honestly and existentially. You are ant-existential
ini
> your approach: intellectually and morally. This has nothing to with my
> view of anyone you have discussed by the way. I am not—it is hard
> even to find myself telling you this—attempting to respond to you
> out of our differences of point of view. I accept your point of view
*in
> principle*. But what I find so disappointing and killing to the soul
is
> your strange personal methodology of examining the character of
another
> person. Your experience is so fixed and unchangeable that it will not
> tolerate the notion of *discovery*, of experimental knowledge.
> Everything you read at FFL is only read from the perspective of the
> extent to which it reinforces your prior determinative way of seeing
> someone. Steve, I am sorry, but you don't get a passing grade at all.
Do
> you want to get into all this? It's not worth it—not for me, not
for
> you. You do have a pulse, right?
> >
> > Your loving friend,
> > Robin
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" steve.sundur@
> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Incredible post zarzari.  Just incredible.  The window seems to
have
> > > opened a little for Judy to possibly see things differently.  I
hope
> she
> > > will take your advice to heart, and not retreat into the same old,
> same
> > > old.  Well done.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786 
wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" jstein@
wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Responding to two of zarzari's posts here:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786 
> wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > The moment you drop some turd on Barry, you have already
> > > > > > got 100 points with Judy. Next do some love-bombing, and
> > > > > > tell her that her logic is irrefutable, or even further,
> > > > > > tell her that she understands very subtle points about
> > > > > > enlightenment / God etc, you name it, nobody on FFL is yet
> > > > > > ready to 'get', and she throws her underwear at you.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Judy, your post was brilliant, and I never had a doubt that
> your
> > > > > intellect is among the sharpest here, and that's why I can say
> to
> > > > > you, I have the clear feeling, there is some love-bombing
going
> on
> > > > > here."--zarzari, #298524
> > > > >
> > > > > "Judy, already there was so much praise about this post of
> y

[FairfieldLife] Re: Trending Now

[zarzari_786]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"  wrote:
>
> 
> Incredible post zarzari.  Just incredible.  

Thank you Steve for the thumbs up. I was, of course also emotional, when I 
wrote this post, so one never knows, WHY one writes, IF one should respond etc. 
I do not believe I will 'change' Judy (I have tried before). I just tried to 
explain myself, and relativate some of the things going on here.

Steve, I am having a busy time right now. The collapse of the wave function 
came for me last Wednesday with the collapse of my old car, when the back tier 
seemed to go off while I was at the highway. I usually drive quite fast, my 
country is known for the fast highways, when, in addition to the warning noise, 
the car started shaking in the back. I somehow managed to still make my way 
home, taking the next exit, and using small roads. 2 days later now I got 
myself a new -used- car, in addition, I have a day job, and I am organizing 
another event that will start soon. I will have to concentrate more on these 
matters, if I would have known this was coming, I wouldn't have re-subscribed 
to FFL. 

So, I will probably say good bye soon, and I fear, instead of settling things 
here, I might have added to some  confusion, to the 'drama' going on here. I am 
probably a little naive, a bit too direct I guess, that brings me in trouble. I 
really didn't want to hurt anyone here, Judy, when I told her I must have hurt 
her, refused and said that she is not hurt, just angry. If I made somebody 
angry, I don't mind, if I hurt her (or others) I feel deeply sorry.


> The window seems to have
> opened a little for Judy to possibly see things differently.  I hope she
> will take your advice to heart, and not retreat into the same old, same
> old.  Well done.
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786  wrote:
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" jstein@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Responding to two of zarzari's posts here:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786  wrote:
> > > 
> > > > The moment you drop some turd on Barry, you have already
> > > > got 100 points with Judy. Next do some love-bombing, and
> > > > tell her that her logic is irrefutable, or even further,
> > > > tell her that she understands very subtle points about
> > > > enlightenment / God etc, you name it, nobody on FFL is yet
> > > > ready to 'get', and she throws her underwear at you.
> > >
> > > "Judy, your post was brilliant, and I never had a doubt that your
> > > intellect is among the sharpest here, and that's why I can say to
> > > you, I have the clear feeling, there is some love-bombing going on
> > > here."--zarzari, #298524
> > >
> > > "Judy, already there was so much praise about this post of yours,
> > > and I agree with that! that I hardly dare to answer you."--zarzari,
> > > #298541
> > >
> > > "Just imagine, you got a new lover, with whom you are deeply in
> > > romantic love, and after three years you notice, that he is utterly
> > > stupid, and you can't even talk to him, because he wouldn't even
> > > understand. What a shame for somebody with your brilliant
> intellect."
> > > --zarzari, #298541
> > >
> > > "This is a very clear and beautiful explanation here
> Judy."--zarzari,
> > > #299795
> >
> > Judy, glad you found the above references, indeed demonstrations of my
> love bombing to you as per your verdict. (I'm putting on my best Ravi
> voice:) You can frame it and put it on to your largest wall, and look at
> the picture I have drawn of you - how nice.
> >
> > And, you know, Judy, I stand by those quotes, for the reasons and in
> the circumstances I quoted them. That's one Judy I know.
> >
> > Judy, in the past, when you have been criticized here, I sometimes
> wondered at all the characterizations you have received. I sometimes
> wondered, how it would be to be on the 'other' side, the Non-Judy side.
> To understand those characterizations, you have to be on the other side,
> and then you discover a Judy that is not even trying to be objective,
> she is mind-reading, knowing what the other persons motives are, knowing
> if the person is lying or making something up. She is getting AT people,
> wanting to PROVE they are wrong, and goes on in endless nitpicking
> dialogues, that even your greatest admirers have seen as an unproductive
> indulgence, yes also me in the past, fully of sticky emotions, anger
> etc.
> >
> > So, for example, Barry is very often providing a bird eyes view, not
> getting into those nitpicking things, and he certainly reveals aspects
> that are true and valuable. But you don't get it, you concentrate only
> on the negatives. That he exaggerates and uses abusive or drastic
> language is not a secret, but yet, you do the same, once you 'recognize'
> someone as your adversary. Same with Vaj, he has a lot to give, in a
> certain way, given his background, he is more similar to me, but for you
> he is only a 'liar'. You are judgmental, negat

[FairfieldLife] Re: 100 Purusha leaving MUM, going to NC?

[obbajeeba]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >
> > On Jan 4, 2012, at 9:10 PM, wgm4u wrote:
> > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The immediate urgent priority for national 
> > > > invincibility and world peace is to join the 
> > > > Invincible America Course at MUM. Only 2000
> > > > Flyers, rising to 2500, in Fairfield/Maharishi
> > > > Vedic City will bring security to America and
> > > > defuse the precarious escalation of conflict
> > > > in the world.
> > > 
> > > "Earl, if we created the group then we don't know
> > > if it would create World Peace or not", MMY via
> > > Earl Kaplan from his letter, "The Truth".
> > 
> > Careful Billy, that type of TM skeptic gets hordes
> > of TM 'townies' approaching your home with torches
> > and ghee!
> 
> "TM 'townies'"? No MUM TBs?
> 
> And "torches and ghee"? What will they be doing with
> the ghee? Basting the skeptics as they're roasted
> over the fire for dinner?
> 
> Or did you get your words mixed up again?
> 
> > Now might be a propitious time to review old
> > Frankenstein footage...
> 
> Or not, as the case may be.
>

The more enlightened approach to the monster, "torches and ghee."
Many a lit torch, soaked fiber in the bovine golden cotton spun, keeps a flame 
very long.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Trending Now

[obbajeeba]

Screeech!   No way to drop your say from FFL to this day?
Your say is much appreciated, even with, those so calculated.
The heart does not tell a bore, the unsubscribed tells no more!
Stay, stay, just ten minutes a day is all it takes. This post may not be 
addressed to me, the absolute must be met, to keep your sanity.

 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786  wrote:
>
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Incredible post zarzari.  Just incredible.  
> 
> Thank you Steve for the thumbs up. I was, of course also emotional, when I 
> wrote this post, so one never knows, WHY one writes, IF one should respond 
> etc. I do not believe I will 'change' Judy (I have tried before). I just 
> tried to explain myself, and relativate some of the things going on here.
> 
> Steve, I am having a busy time right now. The collapse of the wave function 
> came for me last Wednesday with the collapse of my old car, when the back 
> tier seemed to go off while I was at the highway. I usually drive quite fast, 
> my country is known for the fast highways, when, in addition to the warning 
> noise, the car started shaking in the back. I somehow managed to still make 
> my way home, taking the next exit, and using small roads. 2 days later now I 
> got myself a new -used- car, in addition, I have a day job, and I am 
> organizing another event that will start soon. I will have to concentrate 
> more on these matters, if I would have known this was coming, I wouldn't have 
> re-subscribed to FFL. 
> 
> So, I will probably say good bye soon, and I fear, instead of settling things 
> here, I might have added to some  confusion, to the 'drama' going on here. I 
> am probably a little naive, a bit too direct I guess, that brings me in 
> trouble. I really didn't want to hurt anyone here, Judy, when I told her I 
> must have hurt her, refused and said that she is not hurt, just angry. If I 
> made somebody angry, I don't mind, if I hurt her (or others) I feel deeply 
> sorry.
> 
> 
> > The window seems to have
> > opened a little for Judy to possibly see things differently.  I hope she
> > will take your advice to heart, and not retreat into the same old, same
> > old.  Well done.
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" jstein@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Responding to two of zarzari's posts here:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786  wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > The moment you drop some turd on Barry, you have already
> > > > > got 100 points with Judy. Next do some love-bombing, and
> > > > > tell her that her logic is irrefutable, or even further,
> > > > > tell her that she understands very subtle points about
> > > > > enlightenment / God etc, you name it, nobody on FFL is yet
> > > > > ready to 'get', and she throws her underwear at you.
> > > >
> > > > "Judy, your post was brilliant, and I never had a doubt that your
> > > > intellect is among the sharpest here, and that's why I can say to
> > > > you, I have the clear feeling, there is some love-bombing going on
> > > > here."--zarzari, #298524
> > > >
> > > > "Judy, already there was so much praise about this post of yours,
> > > > and I agree with that! that I hardly dare to answer you."--zarzari,
> > > > #298541
> > > >
> > > > "Just imagine, you got a new lover, with whom you are deeply in
> > > > romantic love, and after three years you notice, that he is utterly
> > > > stupid, and you can't even talk to him, because he wouldn't even
> > > > understand. What a shame for somebody with your brilliant
> > intellect."
> > > > --zarzari, #298541
> > > >
> > > > "This is a very clear and beautiful explanation here
> > Judy."--zarzari,
> > > > #299795
> > >
> > > Judy, glad you found the above references, indeed demonstrations of my
> > love bombing to you as per your verdict. (I'm putting on my best Ravi
> > voice:) You can frame it and put it on to your largest wall, and look at
> > the picture I have drawn of you - how nice.
> > >
> > > And, you know, Judy, I stand by those quotes, for the reasons and in
> > the circumstances I quoted them. That's one Judy I know.
> > >
> > > Judy, in the past, when you have been criticized here, I sometimes
> > wondered at all the characterizations you have received. I sometimes
> > wondered, how it would be to be on the 'other' side, the Non-Judy side.
> > To understand those characterizations, you have to be on the other side,
> > and then you discover a Judy that is not even trying to be objective,
> > she is mind-reading, knowing what the other persons motives are, knowing
> > if the person is lying or making something up. She is getting AT people,
> > wanting to PROVE they are wrong, and goes on in endless nitpicking
> > dialogues, that even your greatest admirers have seen as an unproductive
> > indulgence, yes also me in the past, fully of sticky emotions, ange

[FairfieldLife] Making Friends With Heart Break – Metta Teachings

[ynorthr]

Metta, or loving kindness, is not all about others but includes ourselves. We 
need  to love ourselves to be able to truly love others. Read more here...


http://sathyasaimemories.wordpress.com/2012/01/08/being-kind-to-yourself-metta-teachings/

[FairfieldLife] Review: Tinkers, Tailors, Soldiers, Spies

[turquoiseb]

As with my review yesterday of "The Girls with the Dragon Tattoos," this
is really a review of two versions of the same story. In yesterday's
episode of Unasked-For Film Reviews For An Audience Who Will Probably
Never Watch The Films Being Reviewed :-), I came down firmly on the side
of the older version being better. In today's episode, strangely enough,
I'm swinging the other way.

And that is nigh unto heresy, if you know the original BBC TV series
made of "Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy" in 1979. That version starred Sir
Alec Guinness as George Smiley, and his performance in it is often
referred to (and rightly) as one of the pinnacles of his illustrious
career. So my preference for this new version should in no way be
construed to mean that I prefer Gary Oldman's performance to Alec
Guinness' in the same role. That's not the issue. It's that the
STORYTELLING of the new version of the film is better than the
storytelling of the older version. It's simply a better movie, on almost
all counts.

The reason for this IMO is that they hired Tomas Alfredson (the Swedish
director of "Let The Right One In") to helm the making of this movie
version, and hired two talented writers (one of whom died during the
production) to pen it. And the three of them done good. Real good. With
only 127 minutes in which to tell their story, they did a better job
than the best BBC directors and writers of their era were able to do
with the same story in seven hours.

The plot is as classic an example of Cold War Spy Storytelling now as it
was when John Le Carré penned it. "Control" (head of the British
Secret Service, played in this film by John Hurt) learns to his dismay
that there may be a mole in the top echelons of the "Circus." He sends
an operative to Budapest to find out who it is, but that operation turns
disastrously and publicly sour, and Control is forced to resign, taking
his top aide George Smiley with him. Fast forward a couple of years, and
the notion that there is a mole resurfaces. Control has died and the
four people he suspected are now in charge of the Circus, so Smiley is
brought out of retirement to find out who the mole might be. The twists
and turns are exquisite, Smiley personifying a master spy more akin to
Bobby Fischer than James Bond. It's been many years since I last read
the book, so I can't say for sure, but there is a possibility that this
latest retelling of the story may be better than le Carré's original
novel.

It should be mentioned that Gary Oldman's performance in this film is as
understated as many of his past performances have been overstated, and
that's a good thing. But the bottom line for me yet again -- a growing
trend in TV and television -- is that if you want a classic British
story told well, hire a Swede to tell it. Tomas Alfredson even looks
like George Smiley.

 
[http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Tomas+Alfredson+2011+AFI+European+Un\
ion+Showcase+iMt4YFCCaSKl.jpg]
http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Tomas+Alfredson+2011+AFI+European+Uni\
on+Showcase+iMt4YFCCaSKl.jpg

[FairfieldLife] Re: Review: Tinkers, Tailors, Soldiers, Spies

[Susan]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> As with my review yesterday of "The Girls with the Dragon Tattoos," this
> is really a review of two versions of the same story. In yesterday's
> episode of Unasked-For Film Reviews For An Audience Who Will Probably
> Never Watch The Films Being Reviewed :-), 

I did see it, and also the Swedish version (the better version).  So, your 
words were not wasted.  I read all 3 books, as well.  I agree, the books were 
not that well written and I was surprised that they sold so well,  but the 
story line was great - liberal, feminist middle aged male who has a long term 
relationship with a beautiful older woman, the hero against corporate 
corruption and personal corruption. Altho not new information, it was 
interesting to see just what the Swedes take for granted (and we don't have 
here) - free medical care, for one.  Another interesting aspect was how things 
are more coherent in a smaller country with fewer regions and cultures to work 
with.  I wondered as I read these books if one result would be to make 
conservatives here in the USA look around and think differently.  I think 
movies are more powerful than the legal system, in some ways, in changing the 
group think of people.  Now we need a movie just as intriguing and compelling 
as Dragon Tattoo about climate change!

I came down firmly on the side
> of the older version being better. In today's episode, strangely enough,
> I'm swinging the other way.
> 
> And that is nigh unto heresy, if you know the original BBC TV series
> made of "Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy" in 1979. That version starred Sir
> Alec Guinness as George Smiley, and his performance in it is often
> referred to (and rightly) as one of the pinnacles of his illustrious
> career. So my preference for this new version should in no way be
> construed to mean that I prefer Gary Oldman's performance to Alec
> Guinness' in the same role. That's not the issue. It's that the
> STORYTELLING of the new version of the film is better than the
> storytelling of the older version. It's simply a better movie, on almost
> all counts.
> 
> The reason for this IMO is that they hired Tomas Alfredson (the Swedish
> director of "Let The Right One In") to helm the making of this movie
> version, and hired two talented writers (one of whom died during the
> production) to pen it. And the three of them done good. Real good. With
> only 127 minutes in which to tell their story, they did a better job
> than the best BBC directors and writers of their era were able to do
> with the same story in seven hours.
> 
> The plot is as classic an example of Cold War Spy Storytelling now as it
> was when John Le Carré penned it. "Control" (head of the British
> Secret Service, played in this film by John Hurt) learns to his dismay
> that there may be a mole in the top echelons of the "Circus." He sends
> an operative to Budapest to find out who it is, but that operation turns
> disastrously and publicly sour, and Control is forced to resign, taking
> his top aide George Smiley with him. Fast forward a couple of years, and
> the notion that there is a mole resurfaces. Control has died and the
> four people he suspected are now in charge of the Circus, so Smiley is
> brought out of retirement to find out who the mole might be. The twists
> and turns are exquisite, Smiley personifying a master spy more akin to
> Bobby Fischer than James Bond. It's been many years since I last read
> the book, so I can't say for sure, but there is a possibility that this
> latest retelling of the story may be better than le Carré's original
> novel.
> 
> It should be mentioned that Gary Oldman's performance in this film is as
> understated as many of his past performances have been overstated, and
> that's a good thing. But the bottom line for me yet again -- a growing
> trend in TV and television -- is that if you want a classic British
> story told well, hire a Swede to tell it. Tomas Alfredson even looks
> like George Smiley.
> 
>  
> [http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Tomas+Alfredson+2011+AFI+European+Un\
> ion+Showcase+iMt4YFCCaSKl.jpg]
> http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Tomas+Alfredson+2011+AFI+European+Uni\
> on+Showcase+iMt4YFCCaSKl.jpg
>  ion+Showcase+iMt4YFCCaSKl.jpg>
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: 100 Purusha leaving MUM, going to NC?

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mainstream20016"  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > The Invincible America website link enumerating the numbers of Yogic 
> > > Flyers in Fairfield   http://invincibleamerica.org/tallies.html has 
> > > Sept 30th 2011 as its last entryh  
> > > 
> > > 675 Pandits? Weren't there over 1,000 in the Spring, with 1,200 expected 
> > > Summer 2011?What happened? 
> > > 
> > > Perhaps the benefactors of IA became distracted from their focus on IA by 
> > > pleas from the international TMO, and they are now supporting the larger 
> > > International Movement.
> > > 
> > > The source of the IA benefactors wealth is Natural Gas exploration / 
> > > production-  the  commodity price of Natural Gas dived in the past year. 
> > >
> > 
> > Likely a combination of all that.  It takes a lot of cash bonded up front 
> > to bring pundits.
> > 
> >
> 
> Yep meanwhile, for last week the daily aggregate evening meditation numbers 
> were around 1500 total, plus or minus.
>

The "Community" number (~800 +-) is the number excluding Maharishi Vedic 
Pandits, Purusha, and other special groups, and thus it is the number which we 
as a community can directly influence.
   
> > > Regarding 100 Purushas move to NC - where to ?  Heavenly Mountain, the 
> > > new home of Mother Divine?  Perhaps Purusha will be restoring the roof 
> > > and plumbing infrastructure there.
> > > 
> > >
> > 
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > Despite the best efforts of many, as you may know we have not yet been 
> > > > able to increase Vedic Pandit numbers. As of today they stand at 675.
> > > > 
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > >  The "Community" number (~800) is the number excluding Maharishi 
> > > > > Vedic Pandits, Purusha, and other special groups
> > > > > 
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am writing to thank you personally, from the bottom of my heart, 
> > > > > > for your extra efforts to get to group program during December. On 
> > > > > > average there were 104 more community members like yourself at 
> > > > > > evening program and 99 more at morning program during December 2011 
> > > > > > than during December 2010. This is a tremendous achievement, the 
> > > > > > result of great determination on your part, and a very heartwarming 
> > > > > > response to the appeals from Maharaja Adiraj Raja Raam-ji, Drs 
> > > > > > Howard and Alice Settle, Mayor Ed, John and myself to keep numbers 
> > > > > > high while Vedic Pandit numbers are low.
> > > > > > -Buck in FF
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Om, this has the mark of the hand of the Prime Minister on it.  
> > > > > > > Yep, there's something vindictive about them doing this 
> > > > > > > with-drawing of Purusha from the Dome numbers now. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Everyone who lives in Fairfield should be concerned about this.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Boots on the ground, this is a serious draw-down of 
> > > > > > > > > peace-keepers here.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister 
> > > > > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > FWIW, I'm afraid the 13th baktun, or stuff, of 
> > > > > > > > > > > Maya-indians, is
> > > > > > > > > > > approaching its end... :0
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Maya- or Mayan-Indians, it don't matter which.  
> > > > > > > > > > This is really bad for the Dome numbers, Fairfield, and the 
> > > > > > > > > > World.
> > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > The immediate urgent priority for national 
> > > > > > > > > > > > invincibility and world peace is to join the Invincible 
> > > > > > > > > > > > America Course at MUM. Only 2000 Flyers, rising to 
> > > > > > > > > > > > 2500, in Fairfield/Maharishi Vedic City will bring 
> > > > > > > > > > > > security to America and defuse the precarious 
> > > > > > > > > > > > escalation of conflict in the world.
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall 
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is from a faculty member at MUM.   100 Purusha 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > are leaving VC next
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > month to go to North Carolina.   Is there a new 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > place for Purusha in NC?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >

[FairfieldLife] Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[curtisdeltablues]

Scanning over the posts this morning was a little  wake-up call.  Imagine my 
surprise (second time use I know, so lamo but I'm just getting started here and 
I'm not warmed up creatively) to see this in the headers:

"but Steve not being a pervert like Curtis who used his power in a cult to prey 
on innocent women"

I gotta say for the first time in all the years posting here, I considered 
unlisting.  Not because someone said something inflammatory and untrue about 
me, but this is a special case of Internet tolling.  I have become a repetitive 
negative focus for someone and I really can't win here.  The amount of energy 
such an individual can expend on such a malicious project is endless (within 
the 50 posts mercifully)  So first thanks and props to Steve who gets that this 
could have an impact on me professionally, due to the amount of material being 
generated here.  It makes me look like someone with a controversial past which 
is untrue. No matter how many times I post a rebuttal this will just stoke the 
enthusiasm for more posting.  Flooding a forum like this will a lie 
repetitively is a power tactic for slander rewarded by search engines for 
anyone checking me out here.  Being associated with a term like "pervert" is 
malicious. 

There is no way to reconcile my view in support of Internet freedom and 
particularly the freedom we enjoy here with limiting Ravi's right to make such 
repetitive posts.  It could hurt me although to chances of that seem small at 
this point.  He attempted to get on my Facebook page, which would have 
escalated the malicious stalking, but I can control that so it seems that if he 
wants to continue this campaign here,  I am relatively safe. And I believe that 
at this point unsubscribing would not be an answer because of the repetitive 
nature of his tourettes like assaults, there is no guarantee that they would 
cease, I would just be cutting myself off from being able to defend myself.  So 
in the manor used for credit report where someone malicious has decided to 
assume your identity and F up your credit, I will be adding a statement 
regularly for anyone who is checking up on me here so that my position is clear 
concerning these charges.  It will also serve as a record of my own clear 
denials and counter-charges of malicious intent. Due to the way these posts get 
viewed online I will give it its own heading in the following post.

This challenge was an interesting one.  It really made me think. What is the 
cost of freedom?  Freedom is not free. I will happily pay the price and will 
not "go gentle into that good night".  I'm fighting back for my own rights and 
searchable reputation.

[FairfieldLife] Statement concerning Ravi's posts about Curtis

[curtisdeltablues]

Ravi has been mounting a campaign to spread malicious lies about me on this 
message board. I hope anyone interested in researching me or checking up on my 
character will take the time do a search on this individual's posts here so 
that you can understand what I am dealing with.  This is not an uncommon 
phenomenon in this Internet age of freedom of expression. 

This individual does not know me personally, or have any inside information 
about me.  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Adoptive Admissions

[shukra69]

Rick Archer did not do you any favor and possibly a great deal of harm by 
encouraging your delusions.
"What is grandiosity?

Grandiosity occurs when a person has an inflated self-esteem, believe they have 
special powers, spiritual connections, or religious relationships.38
http://www.bipolardisordersymptoms.info/bipolar-symptoms/grandiosity.htm

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
>
> On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 3:38 PM, seventhray1 wrote:
> 
> > **
> >
> >
> >
> > Here's what bugged me, and I am sorry to bring it up again. Ravi discusses
> > his New Years Night at the "Mist", where he describes having a 19 year old
> > girl hit him up for drinks, and how the boner in his pants keeps getting
> > harder and harder.  Let me say, nothing in that story bothered me.  I was
> > rooting for the guy.
> >
> 
> LOL.."I was rooting for the guy",love it, but Steve not being a pervert
> like Curtis who used his power in a cult to prey on innocent women it only
> made root for my beloved more. I would only have with sex with her, a
> goddess or just stay single. Anyway I don't know if I mentioned it or if
> you are conveniently forgetting it. I didn't realize she was under 21 but
> the bartender pointed it out and soon the security kicked her out. Anyway I
> ended up ending drinking the shot of Tequila I bought and 2 more because I
> now missed my beloved. This incident only confirmed my love for my beloved.
> 
> Anyway Curtis had posted the week prior that I couldn't humiliate him but
> clearly he was crying, try to manipulate everyone by the end. Proved he is
> a bitch of mine, I can tweak him anytime I want..LOL..
> 
> But Curtis with a sharper eye and higher morals raised a few flags, and
> > suddenly it's Curtis's who is being accused of debauchery, and becomes the
> > victim of out and out slander, the likes of which I don't think we've been
> > privy to  here in some time.
> >
> > You raised no objection.  When asked by a member if you felt this was
> > appropiate behavior on Ravi's part, you refused to answer the question on
> > the grounds that the question was not phrased properly.
> >
> > Maybe it's just me, but I felt you should have taken a stand, or at least
> > be willing to answer the question one of the first two times it was asked.
> > By the time you did answer it, it had lost any impact.
> >
> >
> >
> >  
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Review: Tinkers, Tailors, Soldiers, Spies

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > As with my review yesterday of "The Girls with the Dragon 
> > Tattoos," this is really a review of two versions of the same 
> > story. In yesterday's episode of Unasked-For Film Reviews For 
> > An Audience Who Will Probably Never Watch The Films Being 
> > Reviewed :-), ...
> 
> I did see it, and also the Swedish version (the better version).  
> So, your words were not wasted.  I read all 3 books, as well.  

Thanks for your reply. Perhaps you can solve a mystery 
for me. There were a couple of plot points in the movies
that differed, and I wonder how they were handled in the
book. First, there is a scene towards the end when one
character witnesses a car accident in which someone dies.
In the book, did this character have the choice whether 
to save the person, or not? The other question is with
regard to the endings of the two movies, particularly 
the details of how Lizbeth walks away, and into the 
sequels. I preferred the ending in the earlier movie,
because I thought it portrayed a stronger vision of her.
Which was closest to the book?

[ I'm trying to use "no spoiler" language here, and urge
you to do the same in your reply, if you have one. ]

> I agree, the books were not that well written and I was surprised 
> that they sold so well,  but the story line was great - liberal, 
> feminist middle aged male who has a long term relationship with 
> a beautiful older woman, the hero against corporate corruption 
> and personal corruption. Altho not new information, it was 
> interesting to see just what the Swedes take for granted (and 
> we don't have here) - free medical care, for one.  Another 
> interesting aspect was how things are more coherent in a smaller 
> country with fewer regions and cultures to work with.  I wondered 
> as I read these books if one result would be to make conservatives 
> here in the USA look around and think differently.  

Or whether they'd ever be allowed to be broadcast. This
is the same question that occurred to me when watching
the Danish version of "The Killing" recently. The second
season is heavy-duty military/guvmint conspiracy theory. 
I doubt very seriously whether the American remakers of 
the series are going to mirror this plotline in their 
US version.

> I think movies are more powerful than the legal system, in some 
> ways, in changing the group think of people.  

I completely agree. Plus, they cost less, and there is
the popcorn. :-)

> Now we need a movie just as intriguing and compelling as Dragon 
> Tattoo about climate change!

I agree. It would have to tell a great story, one that
people could identify with, and thus *feel* how climate 
change would/will affect their lives. That would do more 
to raise world awareness of the issue than a thousand 
scientific papers or impassioned rants on the blogosphere.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[Buck]

Yep, I agree with Curtis here.  What RaviC is doing here is sinful by 
resolution and no good for the community here.  He is not contributing to the 
conversation but fishing it with this kind of spiritual abuse.  As much as 
anything he is mocking Rick with this stuff.  This is needless over the top 
abuse.  The FFL list Moderators should unsubscribe this guy Ravi from FFL.  The 
guy has fouled out, so to speak.  Unsubscribe him now.
-Buck  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> Scanning over the posts this morning was a little  wake-up call.  Imagine my 
> surprise (second time use I know, so lamo but I'm just getting started here 
> and I'm not warmed up creatively) to see this in the headers:
> 
> "but Steve not being a pervert like Curtis who used his power in a cult to 
> prey on innocent women"
> 
> I gotta say for the first time in all the years posting here, I considered 
> unlisting.  Not because someone said something inflammatory and untrue about 
> me, but this is a special case of Internet tolling.  I have become a 
> repetitive negative focus for someone and I really can't win here.  The 
> amount of energy such an individual can expend on such a malicious project is 
> endless (within the 50 posts mercifully)  So first thanks and props to Steve 
> who gets that this could have an impact on me professionally, due to the 
> amount of material being generated here.  It makes me look like someone with 
> a controversial past which is untrue. No matter how many times I post a 
> rebuttal this will just stoke the enthusiasm for more posting.  Flooding a 
> forum like this will a lie repetitively is a power tactic for slander 
> rewarded by search engines for anyone checking me out here.  Being associated 
> with a term like "pervert" is malicious. 
> 
> There is no way to reconcile my view in support of Internet freedom and 
> particularly the freedom we enjoy here with limiting Ravi's right to make 
> such repetitive posts.  It could hurt me although to chances of that seem 
> small at this point.  He attempted to get on my Facebook page, which would 
> have escalated the malicious stalking, but I can control that so it seems 
> that if he wants to continue this campaign here,  I am relatively safe. And I 
> believe that at this point unsubscribing would not be an answer because of 
> the repetitive nature of his tourettes like assaults, there is no guarantee 
> that they would cease, I would just be cutting myself off from being able to 
> defend myself.  So in the manor used for credit report where someone 
> malicious has decided to assume your identity and F up your credit, I will be 
> adding a statement regularly for anyone who is checking up on me here so that 
> my position is clear concerning these charges.  It will also serve as a 
> record of my own clear denials and counter-charges of malicious intent. Due 
> to the way these posts get viewed online I will give it its own heading in 
> the following post.
> 
> This challenge was an interesting one.  It really made me think. What is the 
> cost of freedom?  Freedom is not free. I will happily pay the price and will 
> not "go gentle into that good night".  I'm fighting back for my own rights 
> and searchable reputation.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[zarzari_786]

Curtis, ask Alex, anonymity is garanteed here:  one solution to this is, that 
you use a different screen name, than your professional name, and then INSIST, 
that nobody here who knows it, could address you with your real/artists name 
(which could be everybody). This will be then enforced by the moderators. You 
could possibly have all mentions of your artists name, which are denigatory, 
removed.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> Scanning over the posts this morning was a little  wake-up call.  Imagine my 
> surprise (second time use I know, so lamo but I'm just getting started here 
> and I'm not warmed up creatively) to see this in the headers:
> 
> "but Steve not being a pervert like Curtis who used his power in a cult to 
> prey on innocent women"
> 
> I gotta say for the first time in all the years posting here, I considered 
> unlisting.  Not because someone said something inflammatory and untrue about 
> me, but this is a special case of Internet tolling.  I have become a 
> repetitive negative focus for someone and I really can't win here.  The 
> amount of energy such an individual can expend on such a malicious project is 
> endless (within the 50 posts mercifully)  So first thanks and props to Steve 
> who gets that this could have an impact on me professionally, due to the 
> amount of material being generated here.  It makes me look like someone with 
> a controversial past which is untrue. No matter how many times I post a 
> rebuttal this will just stoke the enthusiasm for more posting.  Flooding a 
> forum like this will a lie repetitively is a power tactic for slander 
> rewarded by search engines for anyone checking me out here.  Being associated 
> with a term like "pervert" is malicious. 
> 
> There is no way to reconcile my view in support of Internet freedom and 
> particularly the freedom we enjoy here with limiting Ravi's right to make 
> such repetitive posts.  It could hurt me although to chances of that seem 
> small at this point.  He attempted to get on my Facebook page, which would 
> have escalated the malicious stalking, but I can control that so it seems 
> that if he wants to continue this campaign here,  I am relatively safe. And I 
> believe that at this point unsubscribing would not be an answer because of 
> the repetitive nature of his tourettes like assaults, there is no guarantee 
> that they would cease, I would just be cutting myself off from being able to 
> defend myself.  So in the manor used for credit report where someone 
> malicious has decided to assume your identity and F up your credit, I will be 
> adding a statement regularly for anyone who is checking up on me here so that 
> my position is clear concerning these charges.  It will also serve as a 
> record of my own clear denials and counter-charges of malicious intent. Due 
> to the way these posts get viewed online I will give it its own heading in 
> the following post.
> 
> This challenge was an interesting one.  It really made me think. What is the 
> cost of freedom?  Freedom is not free. I will happily pay the price and will 
> not "go gentle into that good night".  I'm fighting back for my own rights 
> and searchable reputation.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[turquoiseb]

What will be interesting to see is whether those who have
piled on to Ravi's delusions and encouraged them to further 
their own petty vendettas will support him, or you. 

If they walked their talk, there would be no question what
they would do, would there? But to do so would involve 
actual integrity, so on this forum there's just no tellin'
what's going to happen.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> Scanning over the posts this morning was a little  wake-up call.  Imagine my 
> surprise (second time use I know, so lamo but I'm just getting started here 
> and I'm not warmed up creatively) to see this in the headers:
> 
> "but Steve not being a pervert like Curtis who used his power in a cult to 
> prey on innocent women"
> 
> I gotta say for the first time in all the years posting here, I considered 
> unlisting.  Not because someone said something inflammatory and untrue about 
> me, but this is a special case of Internet tolling.  I have become a 
> repetitive negative focus for someone and I really can't win here.  The 
> amount of energy such an individual can expend on such a malicious project is 
> endless (within the 50 posts mercifully)  So first thanks and props to Steve 
> who gets that this could have an impact on me professionally, due to the 
> amount of material being generated here.  It makes me look like someone with 
> a controversial past which is untrue. No matter how many times I post a 
> rebuttal this will just stoke the enthusiasm for more posting.  Flooding a 
> forum like this will a lie repetitively is a power tactic for slander 
> rewarded by search engines for anyone checking me out here.  Being associated 
> with a term like "pervert" is malicious. 
> 
> There is no way to reconcile my view in support of Internet freedom and 
> particularly the freedom we enjoy here with limiting Ravi's right to make 
> such repetitive posts.  It could hurt me although to chances of that seem 
> small at this point.  He attempted to get on my Facebook page, which would 
> have escalated the malicious stalking, but I can control that so it seems 
> that if he wants to continue this campaign here,  I am relatively safe. And I 
> believe that at this point unsubscribing would not be an answer because of 
> the repetitive nature of his tourettes like assaults, there is no guarantee 
> that they would cease, I would just be cutting myself off from being able to 
> defend myself.  So in the manor used for credit report where someone 
> malicious has decided to assume your identity and F up your credit, I will be 
> adding a statement regularly for anyone who is checking up on me here so that 
> my position is clear concerning these charges.  It will also serve as a 
> record of my own clear denials and counter-charges of malicious intent. Due 
> to the way these posts get viewed online I will give it its own heading in 
> the following post.
> 
> This challenge was an interesting one.  It really made me think. What is the 
> cost of freedom?  Freedom is not free. I will happily pay the price and will 
> not "go gentle into that good night".  I'm fighting back for my own rights 
> and searchable reputation.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: New Rule? Was (Happy new year to everyone !!! (And more love bombing..)

[richardatrwilliamsdotus]

> > So, it's all about Judy.
> >
raunchydog:
> Hey, Willytex, is that your girlfriend?
>
Nope, I'm married,  - thanks for the interest -
but Judy is about my age.

So what's taking Judy so long to show us the lie 
in this post? Are you trying to canvass for the 
award for unintentded irony? Go figure.

Somebody owes me fer sure, on this one! So, let's 
see you stand up and pay up. LoL!

> > > O.K. then. Show us one post where Judy has 
> > > ever pointed out an unintended irony, a lie 
> > > or a wiggle from owning up to an error 
> > > because and only because the person she
> > > confronted is a TM critic. Bet you a buck 
> > > you can't and I'll bet you another buck Judy 
> > > would be the first to dig up such a post if 
> > > it existed.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Trending Now

[zarzari_786]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra  wrote:
>
> seventhray1: Incredible post zarzari.  Just incredible.  The window seems to 
> have
>  opened a little for Judy to possibly see things differently.  I hope she
>  will take your advice to heart, and not retreat into the same old, same
>  old.  Well done.
> 

Scary, I find this response confusing, it reminds me of a short story I once 
read "the man who sold his dreaming". C'mon gimme your first person ontology, 
throw it on to me, it'll increase my share of Godhead

> RESPONSE: Incredible post seventhray1. Just incredible. The window seems to 
> have slammed shut completely for seventhray to possibly see things 
> differently. I hope he will take this judgment to heart, and not retreat into 
> the same old, same old. Well done. Your prejudice, your blindness, your 
> imperviousness is shocking, Steve. Are you even beyond the prayers of your 
> "very devout Catholic" wife? I hope not. She must find you at times terribly 
> mischievous and irritating. You have NEVER taken in the amount of reality and 
> truth that would permit you to make the judgments you make. You are 
> perversely selective in almost everything you say [except in telling us about 
> your children]. There is no willingness to let realty have some play inside 
> of you, to lead you, to inspire you in your responses. You will never travel 
> into the unknown. You don't surround an issue with your heart and mind. You 
> are looking always, in every instance, to feed your own predetermined point 
> of view. It is an outrage. It is a tragedy. I feel deeply sorry for you, 
> Steve. But evidently there is nothing you can do about this. Your niceness is 
> poisoned at its tip. Of course you don't know anything about all this I am 
> telling you, but this does not in any way make it less true. But there is no 
> telling you anything, Steve, and you have already got your mind in working 
> order to make some response to this which will miss entirely the impact of 
> what I have said. You won't let anything hit you, Steve. You are innocently 
> conning yourself out of grappling with the issues here honestly and 
> existentially. You are ant-existential ini your approach: intellectually and 
> morally. This has nothing to with my view of anyone you have discussed by the 
> way. I am not—it is hard even to find myself telling you this—attempting to 
> respond to you out of our differences of point of view. I accept your point 
> of view *in principle*. But what I find so disappointing and killing to the 
> soul is your strange personal methodology of examining the character of 
> another person. Your experience is so fixed and unchangeable that it will not 
> tolerate the notion of *discovery*, of experimental knowledge. Everything you 
> read at FFL is only read from the perspective of the extent to which it 
> reinforces your prior determinative way of seeing someone. Steve, I am sorry, 
> but you don't get a passing grade at all. Do you want to get into all this? 
> It's not worth it—not for me, not for you. You do have a pulse, right?
> 
> Your loving friend,
> Robin
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Incredible post zarzari.  Just incredible.  The window seems to have
> > opened a little for Judy to possibly see things differently.  I hope she
> > will take your advice to heart, and not retreat into the same old, same
> > old.  Well done.
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" jstein@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Responding to two of zarzari's posts here:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786  wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > The moment you drop some turd on Barry, you have already
> > > > > got 100 points with Judy. Next do some love-bombing, and
> > > > > tell her that her logic is irrefutable, or even further,
> > > > > tell her that she understands very subtle points about
> > > > > enlightenment / God etc, you name it, nobody on FFL is yet
> > > > > ready to 'get', and she throws her underwear at you.
> > > >
> > > > "Judy, your post was brilliant, and I never had a doubt that your
> > > > intellect is among the sharpest here, and that's why I can say to
> > > > you, I have the clear feeling, there is some love-bombing going on
> > > > here."--zarzari, #298524
> > > >
> > > > "Judy, already there was so much praise about this post of yours,
> > > > and I agree with that! that I hardly dare to answer you."--zarzari,
> > > > #298541
> > > >
> > > > "Just imagine, you got a new lover, with whom you are deeply in
> > > > romantic love, and after three years you notice, that he is utterly
> > > > stupid, and you can't even talk to him, because he wouldn't even
> > > > understand. What a shame for somebody with your brilliant
> > intellect."
> > > > --zarzari, #298541
> > > >
> > > > "This is a very clear and beautiful explanati

[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy new year to everyone !!! (And more love bombing..)

[curtisdeltablues]

This post was helpful in getting to the bottom of this topic Judy.  It has 
clarified my thinking.  Points below:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> Responses to two of Curtis's posts:
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
> wrote:
> 
> > I appreciate that Steve.  It is really comical that I was
> > handed such an extreme case as Ravi for her to dig in about.
> > How did you like her move that it was MY trickery that made
> > Ravi say those things?  We are such creative creatures.
> 
> Yes, Curtis, the notion that I made any such "move" is
> very creative indeed. You don't have much choice but to
> be creative, given the reality, now, do you? 
> 
> > Despite the inability to ever admit that she was wrong,
> 
> Undoubtedly the next nomination for the Inadvertent Irony
> award. Except that it isn't inadvertent; it's just a
> continuation of the attempted deception I've already
> outlined. But we'll see a *really* inadvertent example
> below.
> 
> > I am optimistic that good will come of this.  I'm pretty sure
> > the lip-service of a moral imperative for getting into other
> > people's fights will die off.
> 
> Dream on. We notice how you've eagerly accepted the support
> from others you've received during this ugly episode. You
> adamantly refuse to give such support yourself, but you're
> happy to get it from everybody else.


This is sort of the crux of it for me.  Support can be voluntarily given and 
would naturally be appreciated.  What I am objecting to is your insistence, 
along with some others that there is a moral imperative to do so. I was 
objecting to the accusation that my failure to do so in cases you have chosen 
as priorities for you,indicated a moral lapse on my part.  My argument has 
always been that we all pick our battles here depending on lots of personal 
factors and that we all do this.  I felt you were being unfair and that the 
standard you are applying to me is untenable and represents a hypocritical 
standard that you yourself could not live up to on a board like this. It all 
comes down to our own judgement calls about what needs defending.  I don't 
believe you need any defense against Barry I believe you do a fine job 
defending yourself.  I suspect you believe the same thing about me with Nabbie 
and Ravi.

But then I am arguing against your judgement and opinion about what is proper 
and that is futile from the perspective of changing your mind, but useful in 
terms of articulating my own lines.  As long as you have a cordial relationship 
with Ravi, and I have one with Barry I am all for live and let live here.  We 
each pick our battles and if someone chooses to come to our defense, good on 
them.  Either you get my perspective and agree with it, or you don't but at 
least I have stated how I see it and why I don't accept the charges from you or 
anyone else that I am obligated to scold someone.  No one is.  I don't need 
help fighting my battles as they arise and neither do you.  I have chosen by 
participation my relationship with Ravi and as long as I am able to fight back 
am not a victim.  I invite you to see your relationship with Barry in a similar 
way.

> 
> Plus which, you seem incapable of comprehending the concept
> of "taste of your own medicine," even after I pointed it
> out. The notion that you'd expect me to defend you when
> you've refused to defend me or anybody else is so upside-
> down and inside-out and backward it's stupefying that you
> thought you could strut around here and score with it.

Yes, you have missed my point here but perhaps the above paragraph will 
clarify.  I don't need your help with Ravi and you don't need mine with Barry.  
I was pointing out that you don't walk your talk and below you explain how you 
justify this.

> 
> Live by the sword, die by the sword. You buttered your
> bread, now you get to sleep in it.

Excellent I wish I had written that.  Fantastic image.

> 
> Oh, you know, I'm wrong, you *do* occasionally defend
> others--when you think *my* criticisms of them have
> been unfair.

Well in fairness we do both post a lot and often have opposing views on things 
so this is likely to be the case.  And the reverse is also true.  I don't see 
this as an indictment.  It seems like a nature result of our enthusiasm for 
expressing our differing POVs here. 

> 
> Here's the deal, Curtis. Just as soon as you decide to
> start standing up for people when Barry trashes them,
> I'll consider standing up for you when you get trashed.
> If I don't, *then* you can legitimately call me a
> hypocrite.

And here we have what I consider to be a breakthrough of understanding in an 
area that has needled me for a while and which escalated when Robin and Bob 
took up this banner.  What you have stated here makes it clear that you are not 
in fact standing up for some ethical principle you are living the principle of 
of tit for tat.  The hypocrisy charge is based on the fact that you 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Statement concerning Ravi's posts about Curtis

[Buck]

Yep, I should hope the FFL moderators would enforce the highest levels of 
civility here.  This one guy is manifiestly bad.  "When in doubt, kick them 
out".  Tough love.  Are the threads of FFL to be thus polluted with his abusive 
crap?  No, unsubscribe him now.  We don't need his kind of abusive crap in the 
threads of FFL.  We've got much more important things to talk about here. Git 
rid of him.  He stopped having things to say in any civil way a long while ago. 
 
-Buck   

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> Ravi has been mounting a campaign to spread malicious lies about me on this 
> message board. I hope anyone interested in researching me or checking up on 
> my character will take the time do a search on this individual's posts here 
> so that you can understand what I am dealing with.  This is not an uncommon 
> phenomenon in this Internet age of freedom of expression. 
> 
> This individual does not know me personally, or have any inside information 
> about me.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[curtisdeltablues]

-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> What will be interesting to see is whether those who have
> piled on to Ravi's delusions and encouraged them to further 
> their own petty vendettas will support him, or you. 
> 
> If they walked their talk, there would be no question what
> they would do, would there? But to do so would involve 
> actual integrity, so on this forum there's just no tellin'
> what's going to happen.

Although I spent a few posts hitting Judy about the face and neck with this 
particular sock full of batteries (padlocks work just at well in prison) I am 
taking a different tact now.  I want to unhook all tit for tat (hard to use 
that phrase enough) reciprocity expectations. Although I appreciate when anyone 
stands up for me here, I do not expect it, and in fact as a friend to many here 
do not even advise it with regard to Ravi.  This is a horse of a different 
color than your typical one time drive by.  This is an unprincipled person and 
you don't need to put yourself on his radar.

My suggestions to any well-wishers here is, everything is cool, I got this, 
don't get involved and take a side here.  It wont help me and could hurt you.  
It already has hurt Steve whose intentions were kind.  I'll accept anyone's 
good will on my highly developed vibe level (Yeah, I got on of those, sure!) 

And that goes for Judy too, I have zero expectations for her to tell Ravi to 
chill, I was using that to  make a point, the point has been made and now I am 
explicitly taking that expectation off the table.

Everybody be Internet safe, watch your own backs, and this too shall pass.  
Good fences make good neighbors and I'm constructing one with 100,000 volts. 








> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
> wrote:
> >
> > Scanning over the posts this morning was a little  wake-up call.  Imagine 
> > my surprise (second time use I know, so lamo but I'm just getting started 
> > here and I'm not warmed up creatively) to see this in the headers:
> > 
> > "but Steve not being a pervert like Curtis who used his power in a cult to 
> > prey on innocent women"
> > 
> > I gotta say for the first time in all the years posting here, I considered 
> > unlisting.  Not because someone said something inflammatory and untrue 
> > about me, but this is a special case of Internet tolling.  I have become a 
> > repetitive negative focus for someone and I really can't win here.  The 
> > amount of energy such an individual can expend on such a malicious project 
> > is endless (within the 50 posts mercifully)  So first thanks and props to 
> > Steve who gets that this could have an impact on me professionally, due to 
> > the amount of material being generated here.  It makes me look like someone 
> > with a controversial past which is untrue. No matter how many times I post 
> > a rebuttal this will just stoke the enthusiasm for more posting.  Flooding 
> > a forum like this will a lie repetitively is a power tactic for slander 
> > rewarded by search engines for anyone checking me out here.  Being 
> > associated with a term like "pervert" is malicious. 
> > 
> > There is no way to reconcile my view in support of Internet freedom and 
> > particularly the freedom we enjoy here with limiting Ravi's right to make 
> > such repetitive posts.  It could hurt me although to chances of that seem 
> > small at this point.  He attempted to get on my Facebook page, which would 
> > have escalated the malicious stalking, but I can control that so it seems 
> > that if he wants to continue this campaign here,  I am relatively safe. And 
> > I believe that at this point unsubscribing would not be an answer because 
> > of the repetitive nature of his tourettes like assaults, there is no 
> > guarantee that they would cease, I would just be cutting myself off from 
> > being able to defend myself.  So in the manor used for credit report where 
> > someone malicious has decided to assume your identity and F up your credit, 
> > I will be adding a statement regularly for anyone who is checking up on me 
> > here so that my position is clear concerning these charges.  It will also 
> > serve as a record of my own clear denials and counter-charges of malicious 
> > intent. Due to the way these posts get viewed online I will give it its own 
> > heading in the following post.
> > 
> > This challenge was an interesting one.  It really made me think. What is 
> > the cost of freedom?  Freedom is not free. I will happily pay the price and 
> > will not "go gentle into that good night".  I'm fighting back for my own 
> > rights and searchable reputation.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Statement concerning Ravi's posts about Curtis

[curtisdeltablues]

-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> Yep, I should hope the FFL moderators would enforce the highest levels of 
> civility here.  This one guy is manifiestly bad.  "When in doubt, kick them 
> out".  Tough love.  Are the threads of FFL to be thus polluted with his 
> abusive crap?  No, unsubscribe him now.  We don't need his kind of abusive 
> crap in the threads of FFL.  We've got much more important things to talk 
> about here. Git rid of him.  He stopped having things to say in any civil way 
> a long while ago.  

As much as I really appreciate your kind intention here Doug, I just can't 
reconcile this with the kind of freedom we want here.  This is the case that 
proves the principle isn't it? What is the price of freedom and are we willing 
to pay it?  Personally I am.








> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
> wrote:
> >
> > Ravi has been mounting a campaign to spread malicious lies about me on this 
> > message board. I hope anyone interested in researching me or checking up on 
> > my character will take the time do a search on this individual's posts here 
> > so that you can understand what I am dealing with.  This is not an uncommon 
> > phenomenon in this Internet age of freedom of expression. 
> > 
> > This individual does not know me personally, or have any inside information 
> > about me.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Adoptive Admissions

[richardatrwilliamsdotus]

marekreavis:
> I don't think that he was a pervert or
> inordinately lecherous.
>
It's a very weak defense, Marek - apparently
I'm the only real defender of Maharishi
Mahesh Yogi on this entire list.

Go figure.

It has NOT been established that MMY had
sexual relations with anyone. You would
think that at least one informant would be
able to provide evidence if this were true.

Without some evidence, or an believable
eyewitness report, I'm just not buying it.

So, let's review:

Are we to believe that Judith walked over
to Marshy's house, in the dead of night,
climbed in through the bedroom window,
and had sexual relations with MMY on his
deer skin rug under a painting of Guru Dev.

With Nanda Kishore asleep in the living
room and Ms Pittman posted at the front
door?

This is just outrageous!


According to Nancy, you could hear a pin
drop on a warm night up there on the hill
in Rishikesh India.

Are you thinking that Judith could get
within ten feet of the Maharishi without
anyone in the whole ashram knowing about
it?

Secretly traisping over to MMY's house,
with a flashlight and probably with duck
tape on their ankle bells, to what, give MMY
a sexy back rub?

It just doesn't make any sense, Marek.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Statement concerning Ravi's posts about Curtis

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> Yep, I should hope the FFL moderators would enforce the 
> highest levels of civility here.  This one guy is 
> manifiestly bad.  "When in doubt, kick them out".  Tough 
> love.  Are the threads of FFL to be thus polluted with 
> his abusive crap?  No, unsubscribe him now.  We don't 
> need his kind of abusive crap in the threads of FFL.  
> We've got much more important things to talk about here. 
> Git rid of him.  He stopped having things to say in any 
> civil way a long while ago.  
> -Buck   

While affronted by Buck's megadumb holier-than-thou-ism,
I nonetheless suspect that we've reached a point where
something may have to be done. My vote for the "doer" is
Rick. He was the one who exposed us to this particular
mentally ill person, as a result of falling for his act
himself. He should decide what, if anything, should be
done about it.

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
> wrote:
> >
> > Ravi has been mounting a campaign to spread malicious lies about me on this 
> > message board. I hope anyone interested in researching me or checking up on 
> > my character will take the time do a search on this individual's posts here 
> > so that you can understand what I am dealing with.  This is not an uncommon 
> > phenomenon in this Internet age of freedom of expression. 
> > 
> > This individual does not know me personally, or have any inside information 
> > about me.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Adoptive Admissions

[raunchydog]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Chivukula"  
wrote:
>
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula
>  wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 3:38 PM, seventhray1 steve.sundur@...:
> >
> > > **
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Here's what bugged me, and I am sorry to bring it up again. Ravi
> discusses
> > > his New Years Night at the "Mist", where he describes having a 19
> year old
> > > girl hit him up for drinks, and how the boner in his pants keeps
> getting
> > > harder and harder.  Let me say, nothing in that story bothered me. 
> I was
> > > rooting for the guy.
> > >
> >
> > LOL.."I was rooting for the guy",love it, but Steve not being a
> pervert
> > like Curtis who used his power in a cult to prey on innocent women it
> only
> > made root for my beloved more. I would only have with sex with her, a
> > goddess or just stay single. Anyway I don't know if I mentioned it or
> if
> > you are conveniently forgetting it. I didn't realize she was under 21
> but
> > the bartender pointed it out and soon the security kicked her out.
> Anyway I
> > ended up ending drinking the shot of Tequila I bought and 2 more
> because I
> > now missed my beloved. This incident only confirmed my love for my
> beloved.
> >
> > Anyway Curtis had posted the week prior that I couldn't humiliate him
> but
> > clearly he was crying, try to manipulate everyone by the end. Proved
> he is
> > a bitch of mine, I can tweak him anytime I want..LOL..
> >
> To clarify all perverts are my bitches, this Kali's Pimp's bitches. To
> date I have identified Curtis and Barry, and nothing they have said here
> suggests they disagree or that they aren't perverts or that they haven't
> used their power, authority in cults to prey on innocent women. Anyway
> nature is helping here, they have moved on from their perverted
> fantasies on younger woman to perverted fantasies on younger dark
> skinned men. They both watched my video 3 times..LOL..So if anyway
> younger women is reading this please feel safe, Kali's Pimp 'son it, my
> bitches are no more a threat to you.
> I have stated this before but I acknowledged that I was tweaking Curtis,
> intentionally lying, but the fact that his responses were so mild
> clearly suggests there is some truth in it and Curtis doesn't want to
> talk about it more.
>

Ravi, get a grip. Whether or not Curtis responds to your lies about him or the 
manner in which he does or does not respond, does not prove there is a shred of 
truth to anything you have to say about him. Stop it. Your vile attacks on 
Curtis are abusive and unwarranted. You owe him an apology.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Adoptive Admissions

[richardatrwilliamsdotus]

> > Ravi discusses his New Years Night at the "Mist", 
> > where he describes having a 19 year old girl hit him 
> > up for drinks, and how the boner in his pants keeps 
> > getting harder and harder. Let me say, nothing in 
> > that story bothered me. I was rooting for the guy.
> > 
Ravi:
> To date I have identified Curtis and Barry, and nothing 
> they have said here suggests they disagree or that they 
> aren't perverts or that they haven't used their power, 
> authority in cults to prey on innocent women.
>
So, you're saying that these two, who once ran the TMO 
cult, used to use their power and authority to prey on 
innocent women? 

What in the world were they thinking? 

Why would Barry and Curtis spend close to twenty-five 
years in cults in order to seduce young women when they 
could do it like you do rignt in a bar or a tavern?

These informants, such as Barry, Curtis, and Judith, 
think they can just waltz into someone's bedroom, in the 
middle of the night, and demand to be sexually gratified 
under the pretence of being spiritual teachers?

If true, then this is just outrageous! 

> I have stated this before but I acknowledged that I was 
> tweaking Curtis, intentionally lying, but the fact that 
> his responses were so mild clearly suggests there is 
> some truth in it and Curtis doesn't want to talk about 
> it more.
>
Apparently nobody wants to talk about it anymore. Maybe
that's because it is still going on up in Fairfield. From
what I've heard, the TMO authorities up there are living
a riotus life of abject indulgence, with 'spas' and 
tantric yoga clinics all over the place; eating organic 
health food while the rest of the town eats cake. 

Go figure.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786  wrote:
>
> Curtis, ask Alex, anonymity is garanteed here:  one solution to this is, that 
> you use a different screen name, than your professional name, and then 
> INSIST, that nobody here who knows it, could address you with your 
> real/artists name (which could be everybody). This will be then enforced by 
> the moderators. You could possibly have all mentions of your artists name, 
> which are denigatory, removed.

Thanks for the kind intentions.  I post here with my sincere beliefs in a way 
that gives me a little internet search engine room from my professional life.  

I don't believe that any insistences work here. People have been respectful 
when I have asked that my full name not be used.  The truth is that these posts 
are forever.  Our anonymity is long gone.  So we try to do a little patch work 
here and there, but ultimately, we who have chosen to post on boards like this 
are searchable and can't stop that.  We can only try to be proud of what we 
post and let the chips fall where they may.

I appreciate your post, thanks!
   












> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
> wrote:
> >
> > Scanning over the posts this morning was a little  wake-up call.  Imagine 
> > my surprise (second time use I know, so lamo but I'm just getting started 
> > here and I'm not warmed up creatively) to see this in the headers:
> > 
> > "but Steve not being a pervert like Curtis who used his power in a cult to 
> > prey on innocent women"
> > 
> > I gotta say for the first time in all the years posting here, I considered 
> > unlisting.  Not because someone said something inflammatory and untrue 
> > about me, but this is a special case of Internet tolling.  I have become a 
> > repetitive negative focus for someone and I really can't win here.  The 
> > amount of energy such an individual can expend on such a malicious project 
> > is endless (within the 50 posts mercifully)  So first thanks and props to 
> > Steve who gets that this could have an impact on me professionally, due to 
> > the amount of material being generated here.  It makes me look like someone 
> > with a controversial past which is untrue. No matter how many times I post 
> > a rebuttal this will just stoke the enthusiasm for more posting.  Flooding 
> > a forum like this will a lie repetitively is a power tactic for slander 
> > rewarded by search engines for anyone checking me out here.  Being 
> > associated with a term like "pervert" is malicious. 
> > 
> > There is no way to reconcile my view in support of Internet freedom and 
> > particularly the freedom we enjoy here with limiting Ravi's right to make 
> > such repetitive posts.  It could hurt me although to chances of that seem 
> > small at this point.  He attempted to get on my Facebook page, which would 
> > have escalated the malicious stalking, but I can control that so it seems 
> > that if he wants to continue this campaign here,  I am relatively safe. And 
> > I believe that at this point unsubscribing would not be an answer because 
> > of the repetitive nature of his tourettes like assaults, there is no 
> > guarantee that they would cease, I would just be cutting myself off from 
> > being able to defend myself.  So in the manor used for credit report where 
> > someone malicious has decided to assume your identity and F up your credit, 
> > I will be adding a statement regularly for anyone who is checking up on me 
> > here so that my position is clear concerning these charges.  It will also 
> > serve as a record of my own clear denials and counter-charges of malicious 
> > intent. Due to the way these posts get viewed online I will give it its own 
> > heading in the following post.
> > 
> > This challenge was an interesting one.  It really made me think. What is 
> > the cost of freedom?  Freedom is not free. I will happily pay the price and 
> > will not "go gentle into that good night".  I'm fighting back for my own 
> > rights and searchable reputation.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Adoptive Admissions

[curtisdeltablues]

Nice to see where you stand on this issue Richard.  Can't say I am surprised.  
Perhaps you feel a bit displaced as most trollish poster here.

> These informants, such as Barry, Curtis, and Judith, 
> think they can just waltz into someone's bedroom, in the 
> middle of the night, and demand to be sexually gratified 
> under the pretence of being spiritual teachers?


You are accusing us a sex crime on a public posting board Richard.  And given 
our mix of friendly discussions this is uncalled for and out of line.  Your 
wacky troll routine has crossed a line here.

 




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "richardatrwilliamsdotus"  
wrote:
>
> 
> 
> > > Ravi discusses his New Years Night at the "Mist", 
> > > where he describes having a 19 year old girl hit him 
> > > up for drinks, and how the boner in his pants keeps 
> > > getting harder and harder. Let me say, nothing in 
> > > that story bothered me. I was rooting for the guy.
> > > 
> Ravi:
> > To date I have identified Curtis and Barry, and nothing 
> > they have said here suggests they disagree or that they 
> > aren't perverts or that they haven't used their power, 
> > authority in cults to prey on innocent women.
> >
> So, you're saying that these two, who once ran the TMO 
> cult, used to use their power and authority to prey on 
> innocent women? 
> 
> What in the world were they thinking? 
> 
> Why would Barry and Curtis spend close to twenty-five 
> years in cults in order to seduce young women when they 
> could do it like you do rignt in a bar or a tavern?
> 
> These informants, such as Barry, Curtis, and Judith, 
> think they can just waltz into someone's bedroom, in the 
> middle of the night, and demand to be sexually gratified 
> under the pretence of being spiritual teachers?
> 
> If true, then this is just outrageous! 
> 
> > I have stated this before but I acknowledged that I was 
> > tweaking Curtis, intentionally lying, but the fact that 
> > his responses were so mild clearly suggests there is 
> > some truth in it and Curtis doesn't want to talk about 
> > it more.
> >
> Apparently nobody wants to talk about it anymore. Maybe
> that's because it is still going on up in Fairfield. From
> what I've heard, the TMO authorities up there are living
> a riotus life of abject indulgence, with 'spas' and 
> tantric yoga clinics all over the place; eating organic 
> health food while the rest of the town eats cake. 
> 
> Go figure.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Statement concerning Ravi's posts about Curtis

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> >
> > Yep, I should hope the FFL moderators would enforce the highest levels of 
> > civility here.  This one guy is manifiestly bad.  "When in doubt, kick them 
> > out".  Tough love.  Are the threads of FFL to be thus polluted with his 
> > abusive crap?  No, unsubscribe him now.  We don't need his kind of abusive 
> > crap in the threads of FFL.  We've got much more important things to talk 
> > about here. Git rid of him.  He stopped having things to say in any civil 
> > way a long while ago.  
> 
> As much as I really appreciate your kind intention here, I just can't 
> reconcile this with the kind of freedom we want here.  This is the case that 
> proves the principle isn't it? What is the price of freedom and are we 
> willing to pay it?  Personally I am.
> 
>

CurtisDb, not everyone needs to belong to every group and groups have a right 
to protect their normative values from individuals who would seek to subvert 
and overthrow them.  What does this guy really share with this group?  He got 
interviewed at one point by Rick?  As far as I can see he has nothing to do 
with Fairfield and holds a lot of contempt for most of what is here.  He 
deserves to be unsubscribed to protect our larger group life.  It would be a 
good sacrifice to make for the community to have the moderators unsubscribe the 
guy.  Banishment and shunning has their place for survival of the group 
culture.  He is plainly a communal malefic here.  Git rid of him.

Best Regards,
-Buck

 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Ravi has been mounting a campaign to spread malicious lies about me on 
> > > this message board. I hope anyone interested in researching me or 
> > > checking up on my character will take the time do a search on this 
> > > individual's posts here so that you can understand what I am dealing 
> > > with.  This is not an uncommon phenomenon in this Internet age of freedom 
> > > of expression. 
> > > 
> > > This individual does not know me personally, or have any inside 
> > > information about me.
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Statement concerning Ravi's posts about Curtis

[richardatrwilliamsdotus]

> > This is not an uncommon phenomenon in this Internet age
> > of freedom of expression...
> >
turquoiseb:
> I nonetheless suspect that we've reached a point where
> something may have to be done...
>
Yeah, I guess Rick will have to ban Raunchdog, Turquoiseb,
DeltaBlues, Vaj, Ravi, Zazari, and 'futur.musik', for sexting on
FFL. Why did they do it, that's the question. I already told
them I'm not gay.

FairfieldLife/message/290105


Where is Alex when we need him?



  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[feste37]

I agree with Doug. Ravi's continual slanderous, obscenity-laden posts drag this 
forum down into the sewer. He should be expelled from this forum without delay. 
It is one thing to have serious, even angry disputes with people, but the other 
feuding parties here avoid excesses such as those demonstrated almost every day 
by Ravi. If the moderators have any respect for their own forum, they should 
take action on this issue. If Ravi wants to indulge in his absurd, offensive 
adolescent fantasies he should find another place to do it. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> Yep, I agree with Curtis here.  What RaviC is doing here is sinful by 
> resolution and no good for the community here.  He is not contributing to the 
> conversation but fishing it with this kind of spiritual abuse.  As much as 
> anything he is mocking Rick with this stuff.  This is needless over the top 
> abuse.  The FFL list Moderators should unsubscribe this guy Ravi from FFL.  
> The guy has fouled out, so to speak.  Unsubscribe him now.
> -Buck  
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
> wrote:
> >
> > Scanning over the posts this morning was a little  wake-up call.  Imagine 
> > my surprise (second time use I know, so lamo but I'm just getting started 
> > here and I'm not warmed up creatively) to see this in the headers:
> > 
> > "but Steve not being a pervert like Curtis who used his power in a cult to 
> > prey on innocent women"
> > 
> > I gotta say for the first time in all the years posting here, I considered 
> > unlisting.  Not because someone said something inflammatory and untrue 
> > about me, but this is a special case of Internet tolling.  I have become a 
> > repetitive negative focus for someone and I really can't win here.  The 
> > amount of energy such an individual can expend on such a malicious project 
> > is endless (within the 50 posts mercifully)  So first thanks and props to 
> > Steve who gets that this could have an impact on me professionally, due to 
> > the amount of material being generated here.  It makes me look like someone 
> > with a controversial past which is untrue. No matter how many times I post 
> > a rebuttal this will just stoke the enthusiasm for more posting.  Flooding 
> > a forum like this will a lie repetitively is a power tactic for slander 
> > rewarded by search engines for anyone checking me out here.  Being 
> > associated with a term like "pervert" is malicious. 
> > 
> > There is no way to reconcile my view in support of Internet freedom and 
> > particularly the freedom we enjoy here with limiting Ravi's right to make 
> > such repetitive posts.  It could hurt me although to chances of that seem 
> > small at this point.  He attempted to get on my Facebook page, which would 
> > have escalated the malicious stalking, but I can control that so it seems 
> > that if he wants to continue this campaign here,  I am relatively safe. And 
> > I believe that at this point unsubscribing would not be an answer because 
> > of the repetitive nature of his tourettes like assaults, there is no 
> > guarantee that they would cease, I would just be cutting myself off from 
> > being able to defend myself.  So in the manor used for credit report where 
> > someone malicious has decided to assume your identity and F up your credit, 
> > I will be adding a statement regularly for anyone who is checking up on me 
> > here so that my position is clear concerning these charges.  It will also 
> > serve as a record of my own clear denials and counter-charges of malicious 
> > intent. Due to the way these posts get viewed online I will give it its own 
> > heading in the following post.
> > 
> > This challenge was an interesting one.  It really made me think. What is 
> > the cost of freedom?  Freedom is not free. I will happily pay the price and 
> > will not "go gentle into that good night".  I'm fighting back for my own 
> > rights and searchable reputation.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Trending Now

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786  wrote:
< 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > Responding to two of zarzari's posts here:
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786  wrote:
> > 
> > > The moment you drop some turd on Barry, you have already
> > > got 100 points with Judy. Next do some love-bombing, and
> > > tell her that her logic is irrefutable, or even further,
> > > tell her that she understands very subtle points about 
> > > enlightenment / God etc, you name it, nobody on FFL is yet
> > > ready to 'get', and she throws her underwear at you.



> Judy, glad you found the above references, indeed
> demonstrations of my love bombing to you as per your
> verdict. (I'm putting on my best Ravi voice:) You can
> frame it and put it on to your largest wall, and look
> at the picture I have drawn of you - how nice.
> 
> And, you know, Judy, I stand by those quotes, for the
> reasons and in the circumstances I quoted them.

My point, zarzari, was that you said all these nice
things about me, but I never threw my underpants at
you. That was a crude, stupid, insulting, sexist
remark, and mistaken to boot.

Even without the vulgar metaphor it was stupid. I
don't base my opinions of and relationships with other
people based on their opinions of Barry. On the other
hand, of course, like most people, I'm going to be more
kindly disposed toward those who express a good opinion
of me and less kindly disposed toward those who express
a negative opinion. But those aren't the sole criteria
for my opinions about people.

> That's one Judy I know.

zarzari, my post addressed posts of yours very
directly, point for point. You ignored everything
I said except the compliments I quoted--without
even acknowledging that your underpants thing was
off-base--and the birthday thing, and instead
wrote a long, detailed attack on me.

I'm going to ignore most of it and just focus on
a few points.


> So, for example, Barry is very often providing a bird eyes
> view, not getting into those nitpicking things, and he
> certainly reveals aspects that are true and valuable. But
> you don't get it, you concentrate only on the negatives.

In many cases, what you call the "nitpicking things"
turn out to show that his "bird eyes view" wasn't
valid, because it was based on those things. It may
be you who isn't getting it.

And if the "bird eyes view" is true and valuable, it
doesn't need me to put my stamp of approval on it; it
can stand on its own.

In many cases you and I just *disagree* about whether
his "bird eyes view" is all that true and valuable. In
addition to the views that don't stand up to examination
when you look at the underlying premises (the "nitpicking
things"), many of those views are simply repetitions of
what we've heard from him before over and over. Others I
find shallow and not very interesting. I'm entitled to
that opinion.

> That he exaggerates and uses abusive or drastic language
> is not a secret, but yet, you do the same, once you
> 'recognize' someone as your adversary. Same with Vaj, he
> has a lot to give, in a certain way, given his background,
> he is more similar to me, but for you he is only a 'liar'.

He *is* a liar. When he's just prattling on about this
and that, showing off his supposed knowledge of other
traditions, I don't usually comment on his posts. Again,
if what he says is valuable to you, you don't need me
to certify it for you.

> You are judgmental, negative and angry a lot of the time.

I'm rarely angry, zarzari. That's *your* mind-reading.

> You 'call out' people for things! WTF! What gives? How
> spiritual are you?

Measuring up to your or anyone else's notion of how
spiritual I should be is not one of my concerns, sorry.
To me, there has to be authenticity and honesty before
there can be any spirituality.


> How do you know, if a person can not be well meaning to
> another person who is angry on him, and even in
> disagreement wish her well?

Call it a hunch. Sometimes people say things because
they're more concerned with appearing to be spiritual
than with being authentic.

> What is intellectual dishonest about it, and what impells
> you to insinuate that here? Do you really think, all
> people have to feel like you do, and that you therefore
> can conclude about their mind-state?

Nope.
 

> So sorry I didn't remember your 'rotten human' being, so
> 'objectively' I am *proven* wrong by you using the word
> evil!! OMG, big deal.

It is a big deal as far as I'm concerned. People toss
around the term "evil" much too loosely, IMHO.

> This is the kind of dialogues you engage in.
> 
> If you cannot understand, that a person may wish another
> person well, even in disagreement, this is a major human
> flaw.

Gee, that sounds pretty judgmental, zarzari. How come
you get to be judgmental but I don't?

What makes you think that because I conclude that one
person in one case is being inauthentic in wishing
someone well in the cont

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786  wrote:
> >
> > Curtis, ask Alex, anonymity is garanteed here:  one solution 
> > to this is, that you use a different screen name, than your 
> > professional name, and then INSIST, that nobody here who knows 
> > it, could address you with your real/artists name (which could 
> > be everybody). This will be then enforced by the moderators. 
> > You could possibly have all mentions of your artists name, 
> > which are denigatory, removed.
> 
> Thanks for the kind intentions.  I post here with my sincere 
> beliefs in a way that gives me a little internet search engine 
> room from my professional life.  
> 
> I don't believe that any insistences work here. People have 
> been respectful when I have asked that my full name not be 
> used.  The truth is that these posts are forever.  Our anonymity 
> is long gone.  So we try to do a little patch work here and there, 
> but ultimately, we who have chosen to post on boards like this 
> are searchable and can't stop that.  We can only try to be proud 
> of what we post and let the chips fall where they may.
> 
> I appreciate your post, thanks!

Have any of you in the FFL audience ever been blacklisted?
I mean really, as in seeing an actual physical copy of a 
list circulated to potential employers with a big DO NOT
HIRE printed across the top in bold, 24-point type? 

I have. 

A friendly technopimp in New York once showed me the list
that had my name on it. He, aware of my on-the-job perform-
ance and my actual talents, laughed it off and described
it as the work of "cult cranks." Fascinatingly enough, the
list itself was created and circulated among NYC employers
by people who called themselves "anti-cultists." They had
a burr up their butts about Rama - Frenderick Lenz, and had
decided that the way to put him out of business was to make
it impossible for his students, most of whom worked in IT,
to find jobs. So they stole a list of all his students, put
their names on their DO NOT HIRE list, and distributed it
widely in New York City. It never really affected me 
personally, but it did affect a number of my good friends 
at the time. 

Now think about some of the things that have been said, on
equally as public a forum, about some on this forum. I have
been called in the past a tax criminal, a liar, a pervert,
and many other things. When I applied for residency in Spain,
the first thing the official in charge of my application did
when I left his office was Google me, to see what the Internet
had to say about me. A month later, when I went back to the
office to pick up the residency card he had approved for me,
he showed me printouts of a few of the things he had found. 

Several of them were from Willytex or Nabby; the vast majority 
of them were from Judy Stein. He referred to all of them as 
"Internet cranks." He looked at me and said, "CIA agent," and 
laughed. I laughed, too. I was fortunate. Not everyone is. 

WTF can people who feel that it is their prerogative to make
up things about the people they don't like to *hurt* them, 
either emotionally or professionally, be *thinking*? When I
say something about someone here, I try to be conscientious
enough to always include a bit "IMO," to make it clear that
anything I say IS opinion. Others do not. As Curtis says, 
the things said here are fuckin' FOREVER, and they have
effects, both karmic, and real-world. 

Catch a fuckin' CLUE, people. Your personal desire to "get"
someone on your Enemies List doth not give you the right to
try to "get" them in real life. That just makes you insane,
not spiritual, or moral.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Adoptive Admissions

[richardatrwilliamsdotus]

> Nice to see where you stand on this issue Richard.  
> Can't say I am surprised.  Perhaps you feel a bit 
> displaced as most trollish poster here.
>
The forum has turned in to a 'fun zone', so I thought 
I'd just make a joke out of it. Sorry, you don't have 
a sense of humor today. 

But, I've been tolerating this kind of abuse here for 
years - you just have to learn how to deal with it in 
a unmoderated forum like this. 

But, hell, you took it all wrong - you guys are'my 
heros. I mean, if you can't seduce a young gal in a 
bar or a bedroom after practicing TM - what's the 
point?

Go figure.

That MMY, if the accounts are true, was one awesome 
seducer! Maybe I should have become one of his enablers
too - and had some fun back then!

> > These informants, such as Barry, Curtis, and Judith, 
> > think they can just waltz into someone's bedroom, in the 
> > middle of the night, and demand to be sexually gratified 
> > under the pretence of being spiritual teachers?
> >
> You are accusing us a sex crime on a public posting board 
> Richard.  And given our mix of friendly discussions this 
> is uncalled for and out of line. Your wacky troll routine 
> has crossed a line here.
> 
It's now called 'tweeking', according to Ravi. And, it
looks like he's got a few admirers. Where I come from,
silence usually indicates agreement. But, just for the record
Curtis, I DID NOT have sexual relations with that raunchy
prairie dog! 

> > > > Ravi discusses his New Years Night at the "Mist", 
> > > > where he describes having a 19 year old girl hit him 
> > > > up for drinks, and how the boner in his pants keeps 
> > > > getting harder and harder. Let me say, nothing in 
> > > > that story bothered me. I was rooting for the guy.
> > > > 
> > Ravi:
> > > To date I have identified Curtis and Barry, and nothing 
> > > they have said here suggests they disagree or that they 
> > > aren't perverts or that they haven't used their power, 
> > > authority in cults to prey on innocent women.
> > >
> > So, you're saying that these two, who once ran the TMO 
> > cult, used to use their power and authority to prey on 
> > innocent women? 
> > 
> > What in the world were they thinking? 
> > 
> > Why would Barry and Curtis spend close to twenty-five 
> > years in cults in order to seduce young women when they 
> > could do it like you do rignt in a bar or a tavern?
> > 
> > These informants, such as Barry, Curtis, and Judith, 
> > think they can just waltz into someone's bedroom, in the 
> > middle of the night, and demand to be sexually gratified 
> > under the pretence of being spiritual teachers?
> > 
> > If true, then this is just outrageous! 
> > 
> > > I have stated this before but I acknowledged that I was 
> > > tweaking Curtis, intentionally lying, but the fact that 
> > > his responses were so mild clearly suggests there is 
> > > some truth in it and Curtis doesn't want to talk about 
> > > it more.
> > >
> > Apparently nobody wants to talk about it anymore. Maybe
> > that's because it is still going on up in Fairfield. From
> > what I've heard, the TMO authorities up there are living
> > a riotus life of abject indulgence, with 'spas' and 
> > tantric yoga clinics all over the place; eating organic 
> > health food while the rest of the town eats cake. 
> > 
> > Go figure.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Trending Now

[seventhray1]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra  wrote:
  Do you want to get into all this? It's not worth it—not for me, not
for you.

Yes, I would, thank you.  I would welcome it.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Trending Now

[seventhray1]

or PBHR for short


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Chivukula"
 wrote:
>
> i.e in Ravspeak = Steve, a pea brained heartland retard.
> My rakshasaa, metaphorical demon of ignorance.
> You have to admit, he is one lucky sonofabitch, lot of good karma he
> has, that he attracts so much attention from me. I still love
him..LOL..
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote:
> >
> > seventhray1: Incredible post zarzari. Just incredible. The window
> seems to have
> > opened a little for Judy to possibly see things differently. I hope
> she
> > will take your advice to heart, and not retreat into the same old,
> same
> > old. Well done.
> >
> >
> > RESPONSE: Incredible post seventhray1. Just incredible. The window
> seems to have slammed shut completely for seventhray to possibly see
> things differently. I hope he will take this judgment to heart, and
not
> retreat into the same old, same old. Well done. Your prejudice, your
> blindness, your imperviousness is shocking, Steve. Are you even beyond
> the prayers of your "very devout Catholic" wife? I hope not. She must
> find you at times terribly mischievous and irritating. You have NEVER
> taken in the amount of reality and truth that would permit you to make
> the judgments you make. You are perversely selective in almost
> everything you say [except in telling us about your children]. There
is
> no willingness to let realty have some play inside of you, to lead
you,
> to inspire you in your responses. You will never travel into the
> unknown. You don't surround an issue with your heart and mind. You are
> looking always, in every instance, to feed your own predetermined
point
> of view. It is an outrage. It is a tragedy. I feel deeply sorry for
you,
> Steve. But evidently there is nothing you can do about this. Your
> niceness is poisoned at its tip. Of course you don't know anything
about
> all this I am telling you, but this does not in any way make it less
> true. But there is no telling you anything, Steve, and you have
already
> got your mind in working order to make some response to this which
will
> miss entirely the impact of what I have said. You won't let anything
hit
> you, Steve. You are innocently conning yourself out of grappling with
> the issues here honestly and existentially. You are ant-existential
ini
> your approach: intellectually and morally. This has nothing to with my
> view of anyone you have discussed by the way. I am not—it is hard
> even to find myself telling you this—attempting to respond to you
> out of our differences of point of view. I accept your point of view
*in
> principle*. But what I find so disappointing and killing to the soul
is
> your strange personal methodology of examining the character of
another
> person. Your experience is so fixed and unchangeable that it will not
> tolerate the notion of *discovery*, of experimental knowledge.
> Everything you read at FFL is only read from the perspective of the
> extent to which it reinforces your prior determinative way of seeing
> someone. Steve, I am sorry, but you don't get a passing grade at all.
Do
> you want to get into all this? It's not worth it—not for me, not
for
> you. You do have a pulse, right?
> >
> > Your loving friend,
> > Robin
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" steve.sundur@
> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Incredible post zarzari. Just incredible. The window seems to have
> > > opened a little for Judy to possibly see things differently. I
hope
> she
> > > will take your advice to heart, and not retreat into the same old,
> same
> > > old. Well done.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786 
wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" jstein@
wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Responding to two of zarzari's posts here:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786 
> wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > The moment you drop some turd on Barry, you have already
> > > > > > got 100 points with Judy. Next do some love-bombing, and
> > > > > > tell her that her logic is irrefutable, or even further,
> > > > > > tell her that she understands very subtle points about
> > > > > > enlightenment / God etc, you name it, nobody on FFL is yet
> > > > > > ready to 'get', and she throws her underwear at you.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Judy, your post was brilliant, and I never had a doubt that
> your
> > > > > intellect is among the sharpest here, and that's why I can say
> to
> > > > > you, I have the clear feeling, there is some love-bombing
going
> on
> > > > > here."--zarzari, #298524
> > > > >
> > > > > "Judy, already there was so much praise about this post of
> yours,
> > > > > and I agree with that! that I hardly dare to answer
> you."--zarzari,
> > > > > #298541
> > > > >
> > > > > "Just imagine, you got a new lover, with whom you are deeply
in
> > > > > romantic love, and after three years you notice, that he is
> utterly
> > > > > stu

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[richardatrwilliamsdotus]

> > We can only try to be proud of what we post and let 
> > the chips fall where they may.
> > 
turquoiseb:
> Catch a fuckin' CLUE, people. Your personal desire to "get"
> someone on your Enemies List doth not give you the right to
> try to "get" them in real life. That just makes you insane,
> not spiritual, or moral.
>
Oh, stop you're silly, *IMO*, whinning! 

Some of my fan mail:

Judy Stein:

You scumbucket

>From Kirk:

You're totally fucked willytex you asshole

>From Barry2:

Fuck you, you little fascist shit.

>From Barry Wright:

What Willytex is *really* doing with those prairie dogs
Willytex's (Richard Williams) new name!
Willy's a troll
Wee Willy Wanker
Willytex's new name!
You had him pegged right - he's a total loser 

Read more:

Subject: Re: My recent fan mail
Author: Willytex
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental, 
alt.consciousness.mysticism, 
alt.buddha.short.fat.guy
Date: November 2, 2006
http://tinyurl.com/7whstxj

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:

> Now think about some of the things that have been said, on
> equally as public a forum, about some on this forum. I have
> been called in the past a tax criminal, a liar, a pervert,
> and many other things. When I applied for residency in Spain,
> the first thing the official in charge of my application did
> when I left his office was Google me, to see what the Internet
> had to say about me. A month later, when I went back to the
> office to pick up the residency card he had approved for me,
> he showed me printouts of a few of the things he had found. 
> 
> Several of them were from Willytex or Nabby; the vast majority 
> of them were from Judy Stein.

But none of the "vast majority" of the "few" things from
me he printed out called Barry either a tax criminal or a
pervert, just for the record. (And if he'd looked a little
harder, in fact, he'd have found posts from me defending
Barry from the charge of preying on young women.)

Fortunately I don't have to worry about getting a residency
permit or a job based on what Barry has said on the Internet
about me (including speculation that I'm gay--although any
place or position where that would be a negative wouldn't be
one I was interested in--and insinuations that I'm a racist).

IMO, anybody who's going to evaluate someone for a job or
residency or anything else of significance on the basis
of what's been said about them on Internet forums needs to
have a thorough understanding of Internet culture. Specific,
documented charges of serious misbehavior are one thing;
hostile or joking back-and-forth chatter of the type Barry's
official apparently dug up are quite another.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Trending Now

[seventhray1]

zarzari, I'm glad you resubscribed and got a few posts off.  I hope
things continue to get on track on the practical front.   Especially
good luck with the event you are organizing.  I always enjoy your input.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786  wrote:
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" steve.sundur@
wrote:
> >
> >
> > Incredible post zarzari. Just incredible.
>
> Thank you Steve for the thumbs up. I was, of course also emotional,
when I wrote this post, so one never knows, WHY one writes, IF one
should respond etc. I do not believe I will 'change' Judy (I have tried
before). I just tried to explain myself, and relativate some of the
things going on here.
>
> Steve, I am having a busy time right now. The collapse of the wave
function came for me last Wednesday with the collapse of my old car,
when the back tier seemed to go off while I was at the highway. I
usually drive quite fast, my country is known for the fast highways,
when, in addition to the warning noise, the car started shaking in the
back. I somehow managed to still make my way home, taking the next exit,
and using small roads. 2 days later now I got myself a new -used- car,
in addition, I have a day job, and I am organizing another event that
will start soon. I will have to concentrate more on these matters, if I
would have known this was coming, I wouldn't have re-subscribed to FFL.
>
> So, I will probably say good bye soon, and I fear, instead of settling
things here, I might have added to some confusion, to the 'drama' going
on here. I am probably a little naive, a bit too direct I guess, that
brings me in trouble. I really didn't want to hurt anyone here, Judy,
when I told her I must have hurt her, refused and said that she is not
hurt, just angry. If I made somebody angry, I don't mind, if I hurt her
(or others) I feel deeply sorry.
>
>
> > The window seems to have
> > opened a little for Judy to possibly see things differently. I hope
she
> > will take your advice to heart, and not retreat into the same old,
same
> > old. Well done.
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" jstein@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Responding to two of zarzari's posts here:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786 
wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > The moment you drop some turd on Barry, you have already
> > > > > got 100 points with Judy. Next do some love-bombing, and
> > > > > tell her that her logic is irrefutable, or even further,
> > > > > tell her that she understands very subtle points about
> > > > > enlightenment / God etc, you name it, nobody on FFL is yet
> > > > > ready to 'get', and she throws her underwear at you.
> > > >
> > > > "Judy, your post was brilliant, and I never had a doubt that
your
> > > > intellect is among the sharpest here, and that's why I can say
to
> > > > you, I have the clear feeling, there is some love-bombing going
on
> > > > here."--zarzari, #298524
> > > >
> > > > "Judy, already there was so much praise about this post of
yours,
> > > > and I agree with that! that I hardly dare to answer
you."--zarzari,
> > > > #298541
> > > >
> > > > "Just imagine, you got a new lover, with whom you are deeply in
> > > > romantic love, and after three years you notice, that he is
utterly
> > > > stupid, and you can't even talk to him, because he wouldn't even
> > > > understand. What a shame for somebody with your brilliant
> > intellect."
> > > > --zarzari, #298541
> > > >
> > > > "This is a very clear and beautiful explanation here
> > Judy."--zarzari,
> > > > #299795
> > >
> > > Judy, glad you found the above references, indeed demonstrations
of my
> > love bombing to you as per your verdict. (I'm putting on my best
Ravi
> > voice:) You can frame it and put it on to your largest wall, and
look at
> > the picture I have drawn of you - how nice.
> > >
> > > And, you know, Judy, I stand by those quotes, for the reasons and
in
> > the circumstances I quoted them. That's one Judy I know.
> > >
> > > Judy, in the past, when you have been criticized here, I sometimes
> > wondered at all the characterizations you have received. I sometimes
> > wondered, how it would be to be on the 'other' side, the Non-Judy
side.
> > To understand those characterizations, you have to be on the other
side,
> > and then you discover a Judy that is not even trying to be
objective,
> > she is mind-reading, knowing what the other persons motives are,
knowing
> > if the person is lying or making something up. She is getting AT
people,
> > wanting to PROVE they are wrong, and goes on in endless nitpicking
> > dialogues, that even your greatest admirers have seen as an
unproductive
> > indulgence, yes also me in the past, fully of sticky emotions, anger
> > etc.
> > >
> > > So, for example, Barry is very often providing a bird eyes view,
not
> > getting into those nitpicking things, and he certainly reveals
aspects
> >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Adoptive Admissions

[marekreavis]

Richard, it's not my contention that anything was "proved" in Judith's book, 
only that her story, seemed plausible to me. There's not enough (if any) 
evidence that we have to actually determine what, if anything, occurred between 
Maharishi and Judith, or anyone else.

You may or may not be the only real defender of Maharishi on this list, I don't 
know. I am not defending him and I'm not condemning him. I loved the man as my 
guru and have lots of fondness for my time in the movement. It doesn't seem far 
fetched to me that a guy like him, who obviously enjoyed power and privilege, 
wouldn't also be attracted to others sexually. That doesn't mean that he 
actually engaged in sexual activities with anyone, but as unique as he appeared 
to be in lots of ways, I don't know why we would assume that he was exempt from 
natural human desire and behavior when he exhibited other normal human 
characteristics.

His proclivities, one way or the other, are not before us in any sort of 
forensic setting where we might hope to come to a more accurate determination. 
And even if they were, we could still come to the wrong conclusion.

So, go figure, eh?

***

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "richardatrwilliamsdotus"  
wrote:
>
> 
> marekreavis:
> > I don't think that he was a pervert or
> > inordinately lecherous.
> >
> It's a very weak defense, Marek - apparently
> I'm the only real defender of Maharishi
> Mahesh Yogi on this entire list.
> 
> Go figure.
> 
> It has NOT been established that MMY had
> sexual relations with anyone. You would
> think that at least one informant would be
> able to provide evidence if this were true.
> 
> Without some evidence, or an believable
> eyewitness report, I'm just not buying it.
> 
> So, let's review:
> 
> Are we to believe that Judith walked over
> to Marshy's house, in the dead of night,
> climbed in through the bedroom window,
> and had sexual relations with MMY on his
> deer skin rug under a painting of Guru Dev.
> 
> With Nanda Kishore asleep in the living
> room and Ms Pittman posted at the front
> door?
> 
> This is just outrageous!
> 
> 
> According to Nancy, you could hear a pin
> drop on a warm night up there on the hill
> in Rishikesh India.
> 
> Are you thinking that Judith could get
> within ten feet of the Maharishi without
> anyone in the whole ashram knowing about
> it?
> 
> Secretly traisping over to MMY's house,
> with a flashlight and probably with duck
> tape on their ankle bells, to what, give MMY
> a sexy back rub?
> 
> It just doesn't make any sense, Marek.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Trending Now

[richardatrwilliamsdotus]

authfriend:
> Fine, and you think there's nothing fundamentally
> wrong with his constant gratuitous, vicious insults
> and lies about other posters here and his absurd
> posturing about his own spirituality...
>
It's beginning to look like Barry has some sexting
friends here on FFL! Go figure.

FairfieldLife/message/300725
 


> > Just working on your insult tennis game are you?
> > I can tell you've been improving your topspin!
> >
turquoiseb:
> Just reintroducing the concept of reality to
> all of this fantasizing that's been going on.
> In his head the Ravster seems to believe he's
> a real rock star, but in reality his biggest
> groupie probably has to remove her false teeth
> before giving him a blowjob. :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Statement concerning Ravi's posts about Curtis

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> Yep, I should hope the FFL moderators would enforce the highest
> levels of civility here.

You can hope until you're blue in the face, but until Rick decides he no longer 
wants FFL to be an almost anything goes free-speech zone, you're likely to 
remain disappointed. I suggest people simply filter out those participants they 
find disagreeable.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Statement concerning Ravi's posts about Curtis

[seventhray1]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "richardatrwilliamsdotus"
 wrote:
>
>
> > > This is not an uncommon phenomenon in this Internet age
> > > of freedom of expression...
> > >
> turquoiseb:
> > I nonetheless suspect that we've reached a point where
> > something may have to be done...
> >
> Yeah, I guess Rick will have to ban Raunchdog, Turquoiseb,
> DeltaBlues, Vaj, Ravi, Zazari, and 'futur.musik', for sexting on
> FFL. Why did they do it, that's the question. I already told
> them I'm not gay.
>
> FairfieldLife/message/290105
> 
>
> Where is Alex when we need him?
Where is your own self control?
>
>
> 
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Trending Now

[seventhray1]

You are a writer Robin, and quite a good one IMNSHO, so you know
specifics, are what make a point.  So, yes, I would appreciate
specifics.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" 
wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote:
> Do you want to get into all this? It's not worth it—not for me,
not
> for you.
>
> Yes, I would, thank you. I would welcome it.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Statement concerning Ravi's posts about Curtis

[richardatrwilliamsdotus]

> > > I nonetheless suspect that we've reached a point 
> > > where something may have to be done...
> > >
> > Yeah, I guess Rick will have to ban Raunchdog, Turquoiseb,
> > DeltaBlues, Vaj, Ravi, Zazari, and 'futur.musik', for 
> > sexting on FFL. Why did they do it, that's the question. 
> > I already told them I'm not gay.
> >
> > Where is Alex when we need him?
> >
seventhray1
> Where is your own self control?
> 
Look, I already told you at least four times last week 
I DID NOT have sexual relations with that dog, raunchy!

Are you implying that sexting is forbidden on FFL? Where
have I been? Go figure.

Top Ten Reasons Why a Vibrator Is Better Than a Man:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/290105

[FairfieldLife] Re: Statement concerning Ravi's posts about Curtis

[richardatrwilliamsdotus]

> > Yep, I should hope the FFL moderators would enforce 
> > the highest levels of civility here.
> >
Alex Stanley:
> You can hope until you're blue in the face, but until 
> Rick decides he no longer wants FFL to be an almost 
> anything goes free-speech zone, you're likely to remain 
> disappointed. I suggest people simply filter out those 
> participants they find disagreeable.
>
Yeah, Buck, just start your own FFL enemies list. LoL!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Statement concerning Ravi's posts about *****

[Duveyoung]

Don't forget that if Yahoo can be triggered into shutting down FFL for 
violations of Yahoo's rules, then those rules probably include shutting FFL 
down if there's any chance that Yahoo will become involved in a lawsuit or be 
accused of criminality.

Case in point:  Ravi's statements might actually constitute libel and if FFL 
egregiously allows that to continue after FFL's been repeatedly warned that it 
is doing so, then both Ravi, FFL's moderators and Yahoo could all be named 
parties in at least a civil dispute.  You guys got $50,000 to pay lawyers to 
defend yourselves?

I would think that Curtis has given just such a warning to FFL even if he's 
such a nice guy that he'd merely leave FFL instead of starting a lawsuit.  

Not that I'm saying any such action would have much legal traction, but we must 
note that Yahoo will cut off FFL at the very first sign that Yahoo might have 
to pay a lawyer dime one.  It simply will not care in the least about us here.

Therefore:  just as anyone here has the possible power to shut down FFL by 
anonymously flooding it with porn and then complaining to Yahoo about it as "a 
concerned citizen," so too can Curtis give a simple "heads up email" to Yahoo 
that he might be suing it for yada yada, and BAM all our posts are probably 
forever inaccessible or out-rightly erased.  

Therefore I say:  Ravi is the cause of this risk -- not Rick's largess or that 
Curtis is somehow so wrong that Ravi is forced by integrity to besmirch Curtis 
by possibly slandering him.   

And, hey, Ravi:  There's war mongers here and you're worried about Curtis 
wanting sex?  Get the fuck real.  

And failing Ravi's agreement to rein in his accusations, then I think the onus 
DOES then go to Rick, and in all love, I warn Rick that this scenario could go 
south and ugly in a nanosecond and that it is not merely his Yahoo group at 
stake, but it is a community's worth of wisdom and struggle that might be lost 
to the world because of the actions of a single "outrageously indifferent to 
the civilities of the group" poster.

Edg

 


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >
> > Yep, I should hope the FFL moderators would enforce the highest
> > levels of civility here.
> 
> You can hope until you're blue in the face, but until Rick decides he no 
> longer wants FFL to be an almost anything goes free-speech zone, you're 
> likely to remain disappointed. I suggest people simply filter out those 
> participants they find disagreeable.
>

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Review: Tinkers, Tailors, Soldiers, Spies

[merudanda]

great review  and contemplation you got here, may be retelling a story 
told long time ago makes the difference, too-thank you--about your
question
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
I preferred the ending in the earlier movie,
> because I thought it portrayed a stronger vision of her.
> Which was closest to the book?
>
> [ I'm trying to use "no spoiler" language here, and urge
> you to do the same in your reply, if you have one. ]
since there has been no posting yet may i step in hoping it will not
spoil  [;)] your(mine )impression of the remake:
Remake is closer to the "book" except may be the line(may  be was in the
film and cut out)in E .-translation:
"What a pathetic fool you are, Salander," she said out loud.
May I remind you the book and the E -translation has been heavy--heavy
edited and "cut"down to "readable" size and was orig. not intended by
Stieg Larsson to be published --at least not in his digital form-(his
life in hiding would give a "good story line"---who knows-- when USA
want to risk their diplomatic relationship with Sweden...they should
make a movie) [:D]
  [:D]

[FairfieldLife] Re: Adoptive Admissions

[richardatrwilliamsdotus]

marekreavis:
> ...it's not my contention that anything was "proved" 
> in Judith's book, only that her story, seemed plausible 
> to me. 
>
So, did you ever get a chance to cross examine MMY and
get his side of the story? Now that he's passed away he
can't defend his own good name. But, you'd think his
own desciples would come to his defense. Go figure.

> There's not enough (if any) evidence that we have to 
> actually determine what, if anything, occurred between 
> Maharishi and Judith, or anyone else.
> 
Apparently the only evidence is a report by Judith, but
I wonder where Jemima Pittman, Nandi Keshore, and Nancy
were that night. From what I've read, MMY used to post
skin-boy outside his door at all times.

For many reasons, I just can't imagine a guy like MMY
doing it to a gal on his deer skin rug under a photo of
SBS up on the roof of his house that didn't even have 
a bathroom in it or running water. 

> It doesn't seem far fetched to me that a guy like him, 
> who obviously enjoyed power and privilege, wouldn't 
> also be attracted to others sexually.
>
So, why do you think the informants Barry and Curtis are 
in such denial? They seem really scared of Ravi telling 
the truth about the TMO and their nefarious sexcapades
in bars. I mean if their guru did it, why wouldn't they?

Why would they let MMY have all the fun? It doesn't make
any sense. According to Ned Wynn, having sexual 
relations on TTC was just about the main activity!

> That doesn't mean that he actually engaged in sexual 
> activities with anyone, but as unique as he appeared 
> to be in lots of ways, I don't know why we would assume 
> that he was exempt from natural human desire and behavior 
> when he exhibited other normal human characteristics.
> 
> His proclivities, one way or the other, are not before 
> us in any sort of forensic setting where we might hope 
> to come to a more accurate determination. And even if 
> they were, we could still come to the wrong conclusion.
> 
> So, go figure, eh?
> 
Well, I figure you must have paid Judith $37.50 for a 
lousy paperback book with a few louse photos in it. Then
you passed it around to all your friends up there in
Fairfield. Or, did you get your dog-eared copy from Rick?

I got screwed by a old geezer into buying the trashy book,
but after reading it I threw it in the trash where it
belongs! 

> > > I don't think that he was a pervert or
> > > inordinately lecherous.
> > >
> > It's a very weak defense, Marek - apparently
> > I'm the only real defender of Maharishi
> > Mahesh Yogi on this entire list.
> > 
> > Go figure.
> > 
> > It has NOT been established that MMY had
> > sexual relations with anyone. You would
> > think that at least one informant would be
> > able to provide evidence if this were true.
> > 
> > Without some evidence, or an believable
> > eyewitness report, I'm just not buying it.
> > 
> > So, let's review:
> > 
> > Are we to believe that Judith walked over
> > to Marshy's house, in the dead of night,
> > climbed in through the bedroom window,
> > and had sexual relations with MMY on his
> > deer skin rug under a painting of Guru Dev.
> > 
> > With Nanda Kishore asleep in the living
> > room and Ms Pittman posted at the front
> > door?
> > 
> > This is just outrageous!
> > 
> > 
> > According to Nancy, you could hear a pin
> > drop on a warm night up there on the hill
> > in Rishikesh India.
> > 
> > Are you thinking that Judith could get
> > within ten feet of the Maharishi without
> > anyone in the whole ashram knowing about
> > it?
> > 
> > Secretly traisping over to MMY's house,
> > with a flashlight and probably with duck
> > tape on their ankle bells, to what, give MMY
> > a sexy back rub?
> > 
> > It just doesn't make any sense, Marek.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Review: Tinkers, Tailors, Soldiers, Spies

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda  wrote:
>
> great review  and contemplation you got here, may be retelling a story 
> told long time ago makes the difference, too-thank you--about your
> question
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > 
> > I preferred the ending in the earlier movie,
> > because I thought it portrayed a stronger vision of her.
> > Which was closest to the book?
> >
> > [ I'm trying to use "no spoiler" language here, and urge
> > you to do the same in your reply, if you have one. ]
> 
> since there has been no posting yet may i step in hoping it will not
> spoil  [;)] your(mine )impression of the remake:
> Remake is closer to the "book" except may be the line(may  be was 
> in the film and cut out)in E .-translation:
> "What a pathetic fool you are, Salander," she said out loud.

That's interesting. And the car scene? 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Statement concerning Ravi's posts about *****

[richardatrwilliamsdotus]

Edg:
> And, hey, Ravi: There's war mongers here and you're 
> worried about Curtis wanting sex? 
>
It has NOT been established that Curtis wants sex. Do 
you have a lawyer that can prove that?

> Get the fuck real.
>
Now I'm really scared - I take back any sexting I ever
did on this forum. Isn't that just like the TMO - to
try and interfere with the spreading of knowledge!

So, you guys should just shut up about Marshy's private
sex life!

And, hey, Ed: They're sexting each other here and you're
worried about a "war monger" posting his opinion? You're 
not making any sense. Don't you like sex anymore?

> And failing Ravi's agreement to rein in his accusations,
> then I think the onus DOES then go to Rick, and in all 
> love, I warn Rick that this scenario could go south and 
> ugly in a nanosecond and that it is not merely his Yahoo
> group at stake, but it is a community's worth of wisdom 
> and struggle that might be lost to the world because of 
> the actions of a single "outrageously indifferent to the
> civilities of the group" poster.
>
"Don't even bother to shut it down." - MMY

> > > Yep, I should hope the FFL moderators would enforce 
> > > the highest levels of civility here.
> > 
> > You can hope until you're blue in the face, but until 
> > Rick decides he no longer wants FFL to be an almost 
> > anything goes free-speech zone, you're likely to remain
> > disappointed. I suggest people simply filter out those 
> > participants they find disagreeable.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Adoptive Admissions

[obbajeeba]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> Nice to see where you stand on this issue Richard.  Can't say I am surprised. 
>  Perhaps you feel a bit displaced as most trollish poster here.
> 
> > These informants, such as Barry, Curtis, and Judith, 
> > think they can just waltz into someone's bedroom, in the 
> > middle of the night, and demand to be sexually gratified 
> > under the pretence of being spiritual teachers?
> 
> 
> You are accusing us a sex crime on a public posting board Richard.  And given 
> our mix of friendly discussions this is uncalled for and out of line.  Your 
> wacky troll routine has crossed a line here.
> 
>  
>
Not to put your pretzel in a twist, but, referring to him  
willyrichardtexwhatever, as wacky is just as guilty of slander, as any of that 
which you accuse Ravi and he of. Just saying. 
It is good some have finally woken up to the data mined world of the internet. 
It is a harsh reality when one learns late. Like a teenage girl who sent the 
boyfriend a photo had no idea of search results in a public forum. There is no 
privacy on the internet, never has been and only post what you intend to 
spread. Play the game of chess, don't destroy, dudes. Get smarter to the 
Krishna running away with the butter, you can not stop Krishna, he is absolute!

I find it best not to drink jack daniels in the morning oj during Sunday 
brunch. ; )

 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "richardatrwilliamsdotus"  
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > > > Ravi discusses his New Years Night at the "Mist", 
> > > > where he describes having a 19 year old girl hit him 
> > > > up for drinks, and how the boner in his pants keeps 
> > > > getting harder and harder. Let me say, nothing in 
> > > > that story bothered me. I was rooting for the guy.
> > > > 
> > Ravi:
> > > To date I have identified Curtis and Barry, and nothing 
> > > they have said here suggests they disagree or that they 
> > > aren't perverts or that they haven't used their power, 
> > > authority in cults to prey on innocent women.
> > >
> > So, you're saying that these two, who once ran the TMO 
> > cult, used to use their power and authority to prey on 
> > innocent women? 
> > 
> > What in the world were they thinking? 
> > 
> > Why would Barry and Curtis spend close to twenty-five 
> > years in cults in order to seduce young women when they 
> > could do it like you do rignt in a bar or a tavern?
> > 
> > These informants, such as Barry, Curtis, and Judith, 
> > think they can just waltz into someone's bedroom, in the 
> > middle of the night, and demand to be sexually gratified 
> > under the pretence of being spiritual teachers?
> > 
> > If true, then this is just outrageous! 
> > 
> > > I have stated this before but I acknowledged that I was 
> > > tweaking Curtis, intentionally lying, but the fact that 
> > > his responses were so mild clearly suggests there is 
> > > some truth in it and Curtis doesn't want to talk about 
> > > it more.
> > >
> > Apparently nobody wants to talk about it anymore. Maybe
> > that's because it is still going on up in Fairfield. From
> > what I've heard, the TMO authorities up there are living
> > a riotus life of abject indulgence, with 'spas' and 
> > tantric yoga clinics all over the place; eating organic 
> > health food while the rest of the town eats cake. 
> > 
> > Go figure.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Statement concerning Ravi's posts about Curtis

[obbajeeba]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
> wrote:
> >
> > -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > >
> > > Yep, I should hope the FFL moderators would enforce the highest levels of 
> > > civility here.  This one guy is manifiestly bad.  "When in doubt, kick 
> > > them out".  Tough love.  Are the threads of FFL to be thus polluted with 
> > > his abusive crap?  No, unsubscribe him now.  We don't need his kind of 
> > > abusive crap in the threads of FFL.  We've got much more important things 
> > > to talk about here. Git rid of him.  He stopped having things to say in 
> > > any civil way a long while ago.  
> > 
> > As much as I really appreciate your kind intention here, I just can't 
> > reconcile this with the kind of freedom we want here.  This is the case 
> > that proves the principle isn't it? What is the price of freedom and are we 
> > willing to pay it?  Personally I am.
> > 
> >
> 
> CurtisDb, not everyone needs to belong to every group and groups have a right 
> to protect their normative values from individuals who would seek to subvert 
> and overthrow them.  What does this guy really share with this group?  He got 
> interviewed at one point by Rick?  As far as I can see he has nothing to do 
> with Fairfield and holds a lot of contempt for most of what is here.  He 
> deserves to be unsubscribed to protect our larger group life.  It would be a 
> good sacrifice to make for the community to have the moderators unsubscribe 
> the guy.  Banishment and shunning has their place for survival of the group 
> culture.  He is plainly a communal malefic here.  Git rid of him.
> 
> Best Regards,
> -Buck
> 
>  
Yes, first they came for our dome badges, but no one noticed.
Then they came for our Saints, but no one noticed. 
Then they came for our Jyotish Pandits, but no one noticed.
Then they came for every spiritual faceted forum and everyone jumps on a band 
wagon to shoot the messenger!!!


> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Ravi has been mounting a campaign to spread malicious lies about me on 
> > > > this message board. I hope anyone interested in researching me or 
> > > > checking up on my character will take the time do a search on this 
> > > > individual's posts here so that you can understand what I am dealing 
> > > > with.  This is not an uncommon phenomenon in this Internet age of 
> > > > freedom of expression. 
> > > > 
> > > > This individual does not know me personally, or have any inside 
> > > > information about me.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] #5# Think About It... My Life Belongs To Him

[Paulo Barbosa]

Think About It... My Life Belongs To Him

"My beloved is mine, and I am his" (Song of Songs 2:16).

The Lord is ours and our life is given to Him. Could we want
something better? Could we be happier? Think about it...

Paulo Barbosa

Visit our blog: (Only in Portuguese)
http://ministerio-pararefletir.blogspot.com

[FairfieldLife] Re: Review: Tinkers, Tailors, Soldiers, Spies

[merudanda]

yeah hope i know what you mean : not so dramatic- here part of S.L.
scene description:
"Salander saw the truck swerve and flash its lights, but the collision
was unavoidable. M.. drove straight into the truck and the sound of the
crash was terrible. ...She went up a hill past the  scene of the
crash...A man was spraying the flames with a small fire extinguisher.
  She was soon rolling across the bridge at a low speed. She parked
outside the cottage and walked back to ... house."

no avenging  pistolero (dirty Harry)scene...
gotta sleep now
will be back [:D]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@ wrote:
> >
> > great review  and contemplation you got here, may be retelling a
story
> > told long time ago makes the difference, too-thank you--about your
> > question
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > I preferred the ending in the earlier movie,
> > > because I thought it portrayed a stronger vision of her.
> > > Which was closest to the book?
> > >
> > > [ I'm trying to use "no spoiler" language here, and urge
> > > you to do the same in your reply, if you have one. ]
> >
> > since there has been no posting yet may i step in hoping it will not
> > spoil  [;)] your(mine )impression of the remake:
> > Remake is closer to the "book" except may be the line(may  be was
> > in the film and cut out)in E .-translation:
> > "What a pathetic fool you are, Salander," she said out loud.
>
> That's interesting. And the car scene?
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Statement concerning Ravi's posts about Curtis

[obbajeeba]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >
> > Yep, I should hope the FFL moderators would enforce the highest
> > levels of civility here.
> 
> You can hope until you're blue in the face, but until Rick decides he no 
> longer wants FFL to be an almost anything goes free-speech zone, you're 
> likely to remain disappointed. I suggest people simply filter out those 
> participants they find disagreeable.
>

My user appreciates this kind of freedom. This is what attracted me to the 
cause!  The Universe is expanding!  
Yay!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy new year to everyone !!! (And more love bombing..)

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> This post was helpful in getting to the bottom of this topic Judy.  It has 
> clarified my thinking.  Points below:
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > Responses to two of Curtis's posts:
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > > I appreciate that Steve.  It is really comical that I was
> > > handed such an extreme case as Ravi for her to dig in about.
> > > How did you like her move that it was MY trickery that made
> > > Ravi say those things?  We are such creative creatures.
> > 
> > Yes, Curtis, the notion that I made any such "move" is
> > very creative indeed. You don't have much choice but to
> > be creative, given the reality, now, do you? 
> > 
> > > Despite the inability to ever admit that she was wrong,
> > 
> > Undoubtedly the next nomination for the Inadvertent Irony
> > award. Except that it isn't inadvertent; it's just a
> > continuation of the attempted deception I've already
> > outlined. But we'll see a *really* inadvertent example
> > below.
> > 
> > > I am optimistic that good will come of this.  I'm pretty sure
> > > the lip-service of a moral imperative for getting into other
> > > people's fights will die off.
> > 
> > Dream on. We notice how you've eagerly accepted the support
> > from others you've received during this ugly episode. You
> > adamantly refuse to give such support yourself, but you're
> > happy to get it from everybody else.
> 
> This is sort of the crux of it for me.  Support can be 
> voluntarily given and would naturally be appreciated.  What
> I am objecting to is your insistence, along with some others
> that there is a moral imperative to do so.

Has it not occurred to you that those who gave you
such support did so out of a conviction that there
was a moral imperative to do so?

(Well, not *all* of them; a couple just wanted to
put Ravi down because they don't like him.)

> I was objecting to the accusation that my failure to do so
> in cases you have chosen as priorities for you,indicated a
> moral lapse on my part.

Yup, that's the accusation. Note that the "you" in
what you wrote applies not just to me but to a number
of people here who are sick and tired of Barry's
behavior and the effect it has on the atmosphere of
FFL generally (regardless of whether they've been his
targets).

And you're the point man in this situation because
Barry *respects* you, as do most others on the forum.
Whether you like it or not, that endows you with a
greater responsibility.

> My argument has always been that we all pick our battles
> here depending on lots of personal factors and that we
> all do this.  I felt you were being unfair and that the
> standard you are applying to me is untenable and
> represents a hypocritical standard that you yourself
> could not live up to on a board like this. It all comes
> down to our own judgement calls about what needs
> defending.  I don't believe you need any defense against
> Barry I believe you do a fine job defending yourself.  I
> suspect you believe the same thing about me with Nabbie
> and Ravi.

Two points: This isn't just about Barry and me. You keep
trying to make it so because it's easier for you to make
your case if it's just a petty grudge match between two
people. But in reality it's a much broader issue than that,
as I suggested above. It includes, just for one thing, the
fact that not all the many people Barry attacks have the
ability to defend themselves that I do.

Second, and I've made this point before, to hold Nabby's
and Ravi's behavior equivalent to Barry's is patently
absurd. Awhile back I analogized Nabby's attacks to a toy
gun that, when you pull the trigger, pops up a little
flag that says "Bang!" The same applies to Ravi's attacks,
although his toy gun actually shoots spitballs that have
the potential to sting a bit if they land.

Barry (staying within the analogy) uses a real gun that
shoots real bullets and is capable of doing real damage.

(Caveat, just in case it wasn't clear: The weapons in
this analogy, including Barry's "real gun with real
bullets," are just words on a monitor screen.)

> But then I am arguing against your judgement and opinion
> about what is proper and that is futile from the perspective
> of changing your mind, but useful in terms of articulating
> my own lines.  As long as you have a cordial relationship
> with Ravi, and I have one with Barry I am all for live and
> let live here.  We each pick our battles and if someone
> chooses to come to our defense, good on them.  Either you get
> my perspective and agree with it, or you don't but at least
> I have stated how I see it and why I don't accept the charges
> from you or anyone else that I am obligated to scold someone.
> No one is.

I'm wondering how and where you draw your lines. People
you have held up as moral models--MLK, Gandhi--spent
their lives (in those two cases gave the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Statement concerning Ravi's posts about *****

[obbajeeba]

Pfft. : )

Show some case history of this actually happening, with a forum full of writers 
and us want to be's. A forum of computer programmer's and retired folks and 
beards.
A forum of people who are worried they won't get a job if some see what someone 
else has said about them? Then it is best not to be on a forum, go to FACEBOOK, 
they will protect you there and data mine the feces out of your name. Facebook 
is, "the new employment resume." 
Sell your soul to FB? : )



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
>
> Don't forget that if Yahoo can be triggered into shutting down FFL for 
> violations of Yahoo's rules, then those rules probably include shutting FFL 
> down if there's any chance that Yahoo will become involved in a lawsuit or be 
> accused of criminality.
> 
> Case in point:  Ravi's statements might actually constitute libel and if FFL 
> egregiously allows that to continue after FFL's been repeatedly warned that 
> it is doing so, then both Ravi, FFL's moderators and Yahoo could all be named 
> parties in at least a civil dispute.  You guys got $50,000 to pay lawyers to 
> defend yourselves?
> 
> I would think that Curtis has given just such a warning to FFL even if he's 
> such a nice guy that he'd merely leave FFL instead of starting a lawsuit.  
> 
> Not that I'm saying any such action would have much legal traction, but we 
> must note that Yahoo will cut off FFL at the very first sign that Yahoo might 
> have to pay a lawyer dime one.  It simply will not care in the least about us 
> here.
> 
> Therefore:  just as anyone here has the possible power to shut down FFL by 
> anonymously flooding it with porn and then complaining to Yahoo about it as 
> "a concerned citizen," so too can Curtis give a simple "heads up email" to 
> Yahoo that he might be suing it for yada yada, and BAM all our posts are 
> probably forever inaccessible or out-rightly erased.  
> 
> Therefore I say:  Ravi is the cause of this risk -- not Rick's largess or 
> that Curtis is somehow so wrong that Ravi is forced by integrity to besmirch 
> Curtis by possibly slandering him.   
> 
> And, hey, Ravi:  There's war mongers here and you're worried about Curtis 
> wanting sex?  Get the fuck real.  
> 
> And failing Ravi's agreement to rein in his accusations, then I think the 
> onus DOES then go to Rick, and in all love, I warn Rick that this scenario 
> could go south and ugly in a nanosecond and that it is not merely his Yahoo 
> group at stake, but it is a community's worth of wisdom and struggle that 
> might be lost to the world because of the actions of a single "outrageously 
> indifferent to the civilities of the group" poster.
> 
> Edg
> 
>  
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Yep, I should hope the FFL moderators would enforce the highest
> > > levels of civility here.
> > 
> > You can hope until you're blue in the face, but until Rick decides he no 
> > longer wants FFL to be an almost anything goes free-speech zone, you're 
> > likely to remain disappointed. I suggest people simply filter out those 
> > participants they find disagreeable.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Statement concerning Ravi's posts about *****

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:

> And failing Ravi's agreement to rein in his accusations, then
> I think the onus DOES then go to Rick, and in all love, I warn
> Rick that this scenario could go south and ugly in a nanosecond
> and that it is not merely his Yahoo group at stake, but it is a 
> community's worth of wisdom and struggle that might be lost to
> the world because of the actions of a single "outrageously
> indifferent to the civilities of the group" poster.

For the record, in addition to Yahoo's archive, FFL is
archived entirely independently of Yahoo at the site
Mail-Archive.com. Very smart of Rick to have arranged
this just in case Yahoo ever decided to toss FFL,
exactly so that the "community's worth of wisdom and
struggle" would *not* be lost to the world.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Review: Tinkers, Tailors, Soldiers, Spies

[Susan]

My memory is not half as sharp as yours.  I would have to get the book back and 
check out these details.  I read it when it first came out about 3 years ago.  

Also, I have very Republican friends who adored the books and this movie.  Yet 
they continue with very Repubican ideas about corporations, money, health care. 
 I always hope movies can change people's minds.  I think they do, but slowly 
over time the messages seep into the collective consciousness.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > As with my review yesterday of "The Girls with the Dragon 
> > > Tattoos," this is really a review of two versions of the same 
> > > story. In yesterday's episode of Unasked-For Film Reviews For 
> > > An Audience Who Will Probably Never Watch The Films Being 
> > > Reviewed :-), ...
> > 
> > I did see it, and also the Swedish version (the better version).  
> > So, your words were not wasted.  I read all 3 books, as well.  
> 
> Thanks for your reply. Perhaps you can solve a mystery 
> for me. There were a couple of plot points in the movies
> that differed, and I wonder how they were handled in the
> book. First, there is a scene towards the end when one
> character witnesses a car accident in which someone dies.
> In the book, did this character have the choice whether 
> to save the person, or not? The other question is with
> regard to the endings of the two movies, particularly 
> the details of how Lizbeth walks away, and into the 
> sequels. I preferred the ending in the earlier movie,
> because I thought it portrayed a stronger vision of her.
> Which was closest to the book?
> 
> [ I'm trying to use "no spoiler" language here, and urge
> you to do the same in your reply, if you have one. ]
> 
> > I agree, the books were not that well written and I was surprised 
> > that they sold so well,  but the story line was great - liberal, 
> > feminist middle aged male who has a long term relationship with 
> > a beautiful older woman, the hero against corporate corruption 
> > and personal corruption. Altho not new information, it was 
> > interesting to see just what the Swedes take for granted (and 
> > we don't have here) - free medical care, for one.  Another 
> > interesting aspect was how things are more coherent in a smaller 
> > country with fewer regions and cultures to work with.  I wondered 
> > as I read these books if one result would be to make conservatives 
> > here in the USA look around and think differently.  
> 
> Or whether they'd ever be allowed to be broadcast. This
> is the same question that occurred to me when watching
> the Danish version of "The Killing" recently. The second
> season is heavy-duty military/guvmint conspiracy theory. 
> I doubt very seriously whether the American remakers of 
> the series are going to mirror this plotline in their 
> US version.
> 
> > I think movies are more powerful than the legal system, in some 
> > ways, in changing the group think of people.  
> 
> I completely agree. Plus, they cost less, and there is
> the popcorn. :-)
> 
> > Now we need a movie just as intriguing and compelling as Dragon 
> > Tattoo about climate change!
> 
> I agree. It would have to tell a great story, one that
> people could identify with, and thus *feel* how climate 
> change would/will affect their lives. That would do more 
> to raise world awareness of the issue than a thousand 
> scientific papers or impassioned rants on the blogosphere.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Statement concerning Ravi's posts about Curtis

[Susan]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >
> > Yep, I should hope the FFL moderators would enforce the highest levels of 
> > civility here.  This one guy is manifiestly bad.  "When in doubt, kick them 
> > out".  Tough love.  Are the threads of FFL to be thus polluted with his 
> > abusive crap?  No, unsubscribe him now.  We don't need his kind of abusive 
> > crap in the threads of FFL.  We've got much more important things to talk 
> > about here. Git rid of him.  He stopped having things to say in any civil 
> > way a long while ago.  
> 
> As much as I really appreciate your kind intention here Doug, I just can't 
> reconcile this with the kind of freedom we want here.  This is the case that 
> proves the principle isn't it? What is the price of freedom and are we 
> willing to pay it?  Personally I am.
> 
> 
You are more  understanding and principled than I would be, Curtis, when it 
comes to freedom vs employment and reputation.  While you would hope that 
people would not take chat room comments as significant, many people do in fact 
not know quite what to believe when they Google someone.  And even lies and 
misinformation have an effect, altho the nature and character of Ravi's posts 
pretty much informs the reader that the content is likely not true.  Apparently 
Ravi is not at this time concerned about his own reputation in all of this - 
that concern is what usually provides some sort of boundary.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Ravi has been mounting a campaign to spread malicious lies about me on 
> > > this message board. I hope anyone interested in researching me or 
> > > checking up on my character will take the time do a search on this 
> > > individual's posts here so that you can understand what I am dealing 
> > > with.  This is not an uncommon phenomenon in this Internet age of freedom 
> > > of expression. 
> > > 
> > > This individual does not know me personally, or have any inside 
> > > information about me.
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Statement concerning Ravi's posts about Curtis

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
>
> You are more understanding and principled than I would be, 
> Curtis, when it comes to freedom vs employment and reputation.  
> While you would hope that people would not take chat room 
> comments as significant, many people do in fact not know 
> quite what to believe when they Google someone.  And even 
> lies and misinformation have an effect, altho the nature 
> and character of Ravi's posts pretty much informs the reader 
> that the content is likely not true.  Apparently Ravi is not 
> at this time concerned about his own reputation in all of 
> this - that concern is what usually provides some sort of 
> boundary.

This is an interesting comment, wayback, and a trend
that has not escaped me in the past. There seems to be
a contingent here who really *don't* have any boundaries,
because they are so convinced that the way they see things
equals Truth. I have no such illusions. So it sometimes
escapes me how others can.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:

> Everybody be Internet safe, watch your own backs, 
> and this too shall pass.  Good fences make good 
> neighbors and I'm constructing one with 100,000 volts.

Make sure you have a lot of amperage too. Walking on a carpet can generate as 
much as 25,000 volts, but it can hardly knock you down.

Voltage is like water pressure, amperage is the flow rate. Volts X Amperes = 
Watts which is a better measure of total power. (And I did not know this 
either, I had to look it up.)

Spelling correction Curtis: 'manor' is a house, 'manner' is the way something 
is done. I think you did this twice recently. Education is forever.

I think you are fine. Ravi is a loose cannon. If it ever came to libel, perhaps 
he might be able to claim insanity.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Statement concerning Curtis's posts on FFL

[Ravi Chivukula]

Curtis has been silently supporting malicious lies, innuendo and rumors on FFL 
for years.

Curtis has been a man of authority in cults with shady, sketchy past. He has 
aligned himself with former cult members including TM, Frederick Lenz aka Rama.

He has had no problem supporting individuals who accuse people of having sex 
with animals, implying sexual relations between members of FFL.

Curtis supports people who indulge in throwing armchair labels at people, 
supports posters who constantly, maliciously assign labels to others.

He has no problem when individuals maliciously harass 70 year old women.

His recent change of heart comes as he gets a taste of his own medicine.

He had no problem maliciously trying to twist an innocent story of Ravi's New 
Year party.


Welcome to FFL - Hyprocrites"R"Us

Signed.

Raunchydog
Duveyoung
Buck
Feste37
Wayback71


On Jan 8, 2012, at 6:09 AM, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:

> Ravi has been mounting a campaign to spread malicious lies about me on this 
> message board. I hope anyone interested in researching me or checking up on 
> my character will take the time do a search on this individual's posts here 
> so that you can understand what I am dealing with. This is not an uncommon 
> phenomenon in this Internet age of freedom of expression. 
> 
> This individual does not know me personally, or have any inside information 
> about me. 
> 
> 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Statement concerning Ravi's posts about Curtis

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
> wrote:
> >
> > -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Yep, I should hope the FFL moderators would enforce the highest levels of 
> > > civility here.  This one guy is manifiestly bad.  "When in doubt, kick 
> > > them out".  Tough love.  Are the threads of FFL to be thus polluted with 
> > > his abusive crap?  No, unsubscribe him now.  We don't need his kind of 
> > > abusive crap in the threads of FFL.  We've got much more important things 
> > > to talk about here. Git rid of him.  He stopped having things to say in 
> > > any civil way a long while ago.  
> > 
> > As much as I really appreciate your kind intention here Doug, I just can't 
> > reconcile this with the kind of freedom we want here.  This is the case 
> > that proves the principle isn't it? What is the price of freedom and are we 
> > willing to pay it?  Personally I am.
> > 
> > 
> You are more  understanding and principled than I would be, Curtis, when it 
> comes to freedom vs employment and reputation.  While you would hope that 
> people would not take chat room comments as significant, many people do in 
> fact not know quite what to believe when they Google someone.  And even lies 
> and misinformation have an effect, altho the nature and character of Ravi's 
> posts pretty much informs the reader that the content is likely not true.  
> Apparently Ravi is not at this time concerned about his own reputation in all 
> of this - that concern is what usually provides some sort of boundary.

Nice of you to speak up Susan.  I believe that I might be more likely hurt by 
some possible gig employer by my outspoken view on God here as for anything 
Ravi can cook up.  Plus I am not dependent on any one boss in my job. I really 
like that. Some one individual or school might read something and not hire me, 
but noone controls all my income.  So it would suck a little,  but not be 
devastating.  I have a good reputation where it matters.

The thing I am most associated for life on in Google is for my opinions about 
the movement, and even though I am proud of those articles, I know they could 
make me appear weird and scare people off.  I admitted that I was in a group 
like TM for 15 years!  Internet reputations are weird like that.  But I have to 
own my personal history and given my artistic life choices, I believe I will be 
just fine.  No troll has that power over me.  Of course you wont see me running 
for public office either!

But that was sweet of you to say and given the downsides of any support posts I 
appreciate it. (Thanks to Raunchy for sticking her neck out too.)  I am not 
advocating another round of Ravi castigation leading to Ravi being contrite for 
a minute and a half and then returning to his usual MO again as soon as the 
fuss dies down.  He is a cost of freedom.  I don't like it, but it is better in 
my opinion than the alternative.  And Rick's hands off policy has been tested 
many times before and has always come out in the end to represent wisdom.  I 
don't believe Ravi has the power to break that now.





   






> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Ravi has been mounting a campaign to spread malicious lies about me on 
> > > > this message board. I hope anyone interested in researching me or 
> > > > checking up on my character will take the time do a search on this 
> > > > individual's posts here so that you can understand what I am dealing 
> > > > with.  This is not an uncommon phenomenon in this Internet age of 
> > > > freedom of expression. 
> > > > 
> > > > This individual does not know me personally, or have any inside 
> > > > information about me.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Statement concerning Ravi's posts about Curtis

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> The thing I am most associated for life on in Google is 
> for my opinions about the movement, and even though I am 
> proud of those articles, I know they could make me appear 
> weird and scare people off.  I admitted that I was in a 
> group like TM for 15 years!  Internet reputations are 
> weird like that.  

Well said. That's really it.

After owning up to our participation in a Class-A
cult, what could possibly be more demeaning?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Statement concerning Ravi's posts about Curtis

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> >
> > You are more understanding and principled than I would be, 
> > Curtis, when it comes to freedom vs employment and reputation.  
> > While you would hope that people would not take chat room 
> > comments as significant, many people do in fact not know 
> > quite what to believe when they Google someone.  And even 
> > lies and misinformation have an effect, altho the nature 
> > and character of Ravi's posts pretty much informs the reader 
> > that the content is likely not true.  Apparently Ravi is not 
> > at this time concerned about his own reputation in all of 
> > this - that concern is what usually provides some sort of 
> > boundary.
> 
> This is an interesting comment, wayback, and a trend
> that has not escaped me in the past. There seems to be
> a contingent here who really *don't* have any boundaries,
> because they are so convinced that the way they see things
> equals Truth. I have no such illusions. So it sometimes
> escapes me how others can.

This is one of the characteristics of a decent awakening (that is, a clear one) 
that one's thoughts are not really true, they just have various degrees of 
correspondence with aspects of experience, and the further we get away from 
basic 'fact' (what, when, where) in the direction of metaphysics, the greater 
the discrepancy. These sentences of mine have no truth guarantee, they are just 
trying to paint an image.

For example Zen Master Seung Sahn (of whom I know nothing other than the web 
page I found this on) says:

"But everybody thinks, `My opinion is correct!' Even Zen Masters are like this. 
Ten Zen Masters will have ten different ways of teaching, and each Zen Master 
will think that his way is the best. Americans have an American opinion; 
Orientals have an Oriental opinion. Different opinions result in different 
actions, which make different karma. So when you hold on to your own opinions, 
it is very difficult to control your karma, and your life will remain 
difficult."

[FairfieldLife] Re: Statement concerning Curtis's posts on FFL

[seventhray1]

What you fail to understand Ravi, is that you can substitute "Curtis"
for most any other member here, and have it stick, it you wanted to. 
You have chosen, for whatever reason, to ignore conventions of fairness,
and balance and attack people in a manner that most here find
objectionable.  And I say fine, it that is what you care to do.  Just
refrain from slander, sexual innuendo, and outright lies or speculation.

Those are the boundries that most people live with here, and it seems to
work.  And if you can't live with those limitations, then I suggest you
go elsewhere.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula
 wrote:
>
> Curtis has been silently supporting malicious lies, innuendo and
rumors on FFL for years.
>
> Curtis has been a man of authority in cults with shady, sketchy past.
He has aligned himself with former cult members including TM, Frederick
Lenz aka Rama.
>
> He has had no problem supporting individuals who accuse people of
having sex with animals, implying sexual relations between members of
FFL.
>
> Curtis supports people who indulge in throwing armchair labels at
people, supports posters who constantly, maliciously assign labels to
others.
>
> He has no problem when individuals maliciously harass 70 year old
women.
>
> His recent change of heart comes as he gets a taste of his own
medicine.
>
> He had no problem maliciously trying to twist an innocent story of
Ravi's New Year party.
>
>
> Welcome to FFL - Hyprocrites"R"Us
>
> Signed.
>
> Raunchydog
> Duveyoung
> Buck
> Feste37
> Wayback71
>
>
> On Jan 8, 2012, at 6:09 AM, "curtisdeltablues" curtisdeltablues@...
wrote:
>
> > Ravi has been mounting a campaign to spread malicious lies about me
on this message board. I hope anyone interested in researching me or
checking up on my character will take the time do a search on this
individual's posts here so that you can understand what I am dealing
with. This is not an uncommon phenomenon in this Internet age of freedom
of expression.
> >
> > This individual does not know me personally, or have any inside
information about me.
> >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Statement concerning Curtis's posts on FFL

[seventhray1]

and to imply that Richard Williams had sex with a prairie dog is absurd.
It's an insult and anyone would see that it's an insult rather than a
serious accusation.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" 
wrote:
>
>
> What you fail to understand Ravi, is that you can substitute "Curtis"
> for most any other member here, and have it stick, it you wanted to.
> You have chosen, for whatever reason, to ignore conventions of
fairness,
> and balance and attack people in a manner that most here find
> objectionable. And I say fine, it that is what you care to do. Just
> refrain from slander, sexual innuendo, and outright lies or
speculation.
>
> Those are the boundries that most people live with here, and it seems
to
> work. And if you can't live with those limitations, then I suggest you
> go elsewhere.
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula
> chivukula.ravi@ wrote:
> >
> > Curtis has been silently supporting malicious lies, innuendo and
> rumors on FFL for years.
> >
> > Curtis has been a man of authority in cults with shady, sketchy
past.
> He has aligned himself with former cult members including TM,
Frederick
> Lenz aka Rama.
> >
> > He has had no problem supporting individuals who accuse people of
> having sex with animals, implying sexual relations between members of
> FFL.
> >
> > Curtis supports people who indulge in throwing armchair labels at
> people, supports posters who constantly, maliciously assign labels to
> others.
> >
> > He has no problem when individuals maliciously harass 70 year old
> women.
> >
> > His recent change of heart comes as he gets a taste of his own
> medicine.
> >
> > He had no problem maliciously trying to twist an innocent story of
> Ravi's New Year party.
> >
> >
> > Welcome to FFL - Hyprocrites"R"Us
> >
> > Signed.
> >
> > Raunchydog
> > Duveyoung
> > Buck
> > Feste37
> > Wayback71
> >
> >
> > On Jan 8, 2012, at 6:09 AM, "curtisdeltablues" curtisdeltablues@
> wrote:
> >
> > > Ravi has been mounting a campaign to spread malicious lies about
me
> on this message board. I hope anyone interested in researching me or
> checking up on my character will take the time do a search on this
> individual's posts here so that you can understand what I am dealing
> with. This is not an uncommon phenomenon in this Internet age of
freedom
> of expression.
> > >
> > > This individual does not know me personally, or have any inside
> information about me.
> > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Statement concerning Curtis's posts on FFL

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

If you see someone through the lens of the past, what they have done, or have 
not done, you do not see them as they are now. You will not be able to see if 
they have evolved or not, that is, have changed in some way, for better or 
worse: you will remain blind, even if your characterisation of the moment is 
correct.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
>
> Curtis has been silently supporting malicious lies, innuendo and rumors on 
> FFL for years.
> 
> Curtis has been a man of authority in cults with shady, sketchy past. He has 
> aligned himself with former cult members including TM, Frederick Lenz aka 
> Rama.
> 
> He has had no problem supporting individuals who accuse people of having sex 
> with animals, implying sexual relations between members of FFL.
> 
> Curtis supports people who indulge in throwing armchair labels at people, 
> supports posters who constantly, maliciously assign labels to others.
> 
> He has no problem when individuals maliciously harass 70 year old women.
> 
> His recent change of heart comes as he gets a taste of his own medicine.
> 
> He had no problem maliciously trying to twist an innocent story of Ravi's New 
> Year party.
> 
> 
> Welcome to FFL - Hyprocrites"R"Us
> 
> Signed.
> 
> Raunchydog
> Duveyoung
> Buck
> Feste37
> Wayback71
> 
> 
> On Jan 8, 2012, at 6:09 AM, "curtisdeltablues"  wrote:
> 
> > Ravi has been mounting a campaign to spread malicious lies about me on this 
> > message board. I hope anyone interested in researching me or checking up on 
> > my character will take the time do a search on this individual's posts here 
> > so that you can understand what I am dealing with. This is not an uncommon 
> > phenomenon in this Internet age of freedom of expression. 
> > 
> > This individual does not know me personally, or have any inside information 
> > about me. 
> > 
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Statement concerning Curtis's posts on FFL

[Ravi Chivukula]

" Just  refrain from slander, sexual innuendo, and outright lies or
speculation"
This is exactly what you and Curtis were doing with New Year story. When
I in my inimitable style double down and throw your shit back at you you
start running around like wimps...LOL.
Small minds at FFL, the Hypocrites"R"US, raunchys, the duveyoungs, the
Bucks, the feste37 don't realize I reflect, I magnify your hypocrisy
back and so no wonder it looks painful, it looks threatening, so you
attack the person rather than confront your hypocrisy, your fears, your
insecurities, your anxieties.
Fucking pathetic.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" 
wrote:
>
>
> What you fail to understand Ravi, is that you can substitute "Curtis"
> for most any other member here, and have it stick, it you wanted to.
> You have chosen, for whatever reason, to ignore conventions of
fairness,
> and balance and attack people in a manner that most here find
> objectionable.  And I say fine, it that is what you care to do.  Just
> refrain from slander, sexual innuendo, and outright lies or
speculation.
>
> Those are the boundries that most people live with here, and it seems
to
> work.  And if you can't live with those limitations, then I suggest
you
> go elsewhere.
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula
> chivukula.ravi@ wrote:
> >
> > Curtis has been silently supporting malicious lies, innuendo and
> rumors on FFL for years.
> >
> > Curtis has been a man of authority in cults with shady, sketchy
past.
> He has aligned himself with former cult members including TM,
Frederick
> Lenz aka Rama.
> >
> > He has had no problem supporting individuals who accuse people of
> having sex with animals, implying sexual relations between members of
> FFL.
> >
> > Curtis supports people who indulge in throwing armchair labels at
> people, supports posters who constantly, maliciously assign labels to
> others.
> >
> > He has no problem when individuals maliciously harass 70 year old
> women.
> >
> > His recent change of heart comes as he gets a taste of his own
> medicine.
> >
> > He had no problem maliciously trying to twist an innocent story of
> Ravi's New Year party.
> >
> >
> > Welcome to FFL - Hyprocrites"R"Us
> >
> > Signed.
> >
> > Raunchydog
> > Duveyoung
> > Buck
> > Feste37
> > Wayback71
> >
> >
> > On Jan 8, 2012, at 6:09 AM, "curtisdeltablues" curtisdeltablues@
> wrote:
> >
> > > Ravi has been mounting a campaign to spread malicious lies about
me
> on this message board. I hope anyone interested in researching me or
> checking up on my character will take the time do a search on this
> individual's posts here so that you can understand what I am dealing
> with. This is not an uncommon phenomenon in this Internet age of
freedom
> of expression.
> > >
> > > This individual does not know me personally, or have any inside
> information about me.
> > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Statement concerning Curtis's posts on FFL

[curtisdeltablues]

OK, here we go again...

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
>
> Curtis has been silently supporting malicious lies, innuendo and rumors on 
> FFL for years.

Ok fair enough, an opinion I do not share.

> 
> Curtis has been a man of authority in cults with shady, sketchy past. He has 
> aligned himself with former cult members including TM, Frederick Lenz aka 
> Rama.

I don't know what you mean by "aligned myself", but I have no relationship with 
Rama at all in any way.  There is a POV where you could view everyone here as 
having associated with former cult members, it kinda defines the place.

> 
> He has had no problem supporting individuals who accuse people of having sex 
> with animals, implying sexual relations between members of FFL.>


Supporting who, how?  I am opposed to anyone having sex with animals.  As far 
as sex between FFL members go, that is up to them I have no opinion.  I don't 
support when people like Jim create graphic depictions of me having sex with 
others here.

> 
> Curtis supports people who indulge in throwing armchair labels at people, 
> supports posters who constantly, maliciously assign labels to others.

OK, another opinion.  Kinda lame but that is my opinion.


> 
> He has no problem when individuals maliciously harass 70 year old women.>

I would have a problem with people harassing anyone. For example I am against 
you harassing me here on this board.

> 
> His recent change of heart comes as he gets a taste of his own medicine.>

No, I have been an advocate against the idea that we have a moral imperative to 
jump in on other people's fights with Judy for years now.  

> 
> He had no problem maliciously trying to twist an innocent story of Ravi's New 
> Year party.

Actually you lied about it repeatedly.  In your latest version you actually did 
buy liquor for an underage girls but despite our having had it clarified that 
people in that particular club wear indicators if they are underage, you claim 
you didn't know.  Then you claim they threw her out and you drank it. All after 
you had claimed it was all a lie to suck me in.

So if you are troubled by people judging you for your actual stated behavior, 
try not posting stories about you doing illegal things and then making up a lot 
of unconvincing denials after getting called on it.
> 
> 
> Welcome to FFL - Hyprocrites"R"Us
> 
> Signed.
> 
> Raunchydog
> Duveyoung
> Buck
> Feste37
> Wayback71


See this is what I was trying to avoid.  I'm the lightening rod here Ravi.  
Focus on me.  I'm the bad bad man who doesn't believe that you are enlightened 
or that your abusive behavior here is cute or shows what a special guy you are. 
 I object to your spreading lies about me on this board, but since I have the 
power to post back, I feel confident that your malicious agenda has no power to 
hurt me.  Over here big guy, Curtis is the one who is making you feel this way. 
 Keep em coming till you post out. There you go, atta boy, keep on punching, 
punch, punch, punch at the bad, bad man.


You are not gunna troll me out Ravi.  









> 
> 
> On Jan 8, 2012, at 6:09 AM, "curtisdeltablues"  wrote:
> 
> > Ravi has been mounting a campaign to spread malicious lies about me on this 
> > message board. I hope anyone interested in researching me or checking up on 
> > my character will take the time do a search on this individual's posts here 
> > so that you can understand what I am dealing with. This is not an uncommon 
> > phenomenon in this Internet age of freedom of expression. 
> > 
> > This individual does not know me personally, or have any inside information 
> > about me. 
> > 
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Statement concerning Curtis's posts on FFL

[seventhray1]

Xeno, I am sorry to say that you are a buffoon.  What is it you are
trying to say, because what I am hearing sounds pretty lame?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"
 wrote:
>
> If you see someone through the lens of the past, what they have done,
or have not done, you do not see them as they are now. You will not be
able to see if they have evolved or not, that is, have changed in some
way, for better or worse: you will remain blind, even if your
characterisation of the moment is correct.
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@
wrote:
> >
> > Curtis has been silently supporting malicious lies, innuendo and
rumors on FFL for years.
> >
> > Curtis has been a man of authority in cults with shady, sketchy
past. He has aligned himself with former cult members including TM,
Frederick Lenz aka Rama.
> >
> > He has had no problem supporting individuals who accuse people of
having sex with animals, implying sexual relations between members of
FFL.
> >
> > Curtis supports people who indulge in throwing armchair labels at
people, supports posters who constantly, maliciously assign labels to
others.
> >
> > He has no problem when individuals maliciously harass 70 year old
women.
> >
> > His recent change of heart comes as he gets a taste of his own
medicine.
> >
> > He had no problem maliciously trying to twist an innocent story of
Ravi's New Year party.
> >
> >
> > Welcome to FFL - Hyprocrites"R"Us
> >
> > Signed.
> >
> > Raunchydog
> > Duveyoung
> > Buck
> > Feste37
> > Wayback71
> >
> >
> > On Jan 8, 2012, at 6:09 AM, "curtisdeltablues" curtisdeltablues@
wrote:
> >
> > > Ravi has been mounting a campaign to spread malicious lies about
me on this message board. I hope anyone interested in researching me or
checking up on my character will take the time do a search on this
individual's posts here so that you can understand what I am dealing
with. This is not an uncommon phenomenon in this Internet age of freedom
of expression.
> > >
> > > This individual does not know me personally, or have any inside
information about me.
> > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Statement concerning Curtis's posts on FFL

[Ravi Chivukula]

Bullshit - implying Curtis using his authority in cults to prey on
teenage blondes is also an insult.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" 
wrote:
>
>
> and to imply that Richard Williams had sex with a prairie dog is
absurd.
> It's an insult and anyone would see that it's an insult rather than a
> serious accusation.
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" steve.sundur@
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > What you fail to understand Ravi, is that you can substitute
"Curtis"
> > for most any other member here, and have it stick, it you wanted to.
> > You have chosen, for whatever reason, to ignore conventions of
> fairness,
> > and balance and attack people in a manner that most here find
> > objectionable. And I say fine, it that is what you care to do. Just
> > refrain from slander, sexual innuendo, and outright lies or
> speculation.
> >
> > Those are the boundries that most people live with here, and it
seems
> to
> > work. And if you can't live with those limitations, then I suggest
you
> > go elsewhere.
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula
> > chivukula.ravi@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Curtis has been silently supporting malicious lies, innuendo and
> > rumors on FFL for years.
> > >
> > > Curtis has been a man of authority in cults with shady, sketchy
> past.
> > He has aligned himself with former cult members including TM,
> Frederick
> > Lenz aka Rama.
> > >
> > > He has had no problem supporting individuals who accuse people of
> > having sex with animals, implying sexual relations between members
of
> > FFL.
> > >
> > > Curtis supports people who indulge in throwing armchair labels at
> > people, supports posters who constantly, maliciously assign labels
to
> > others.
> > >
> > > He has no problem when individuals maliciously harass 70 year old
> > women.
> > >
> > > His recent change of heart comes as he gets a taste of his own
> > medicine.
> > >
> > > He had no problem maliciously trying to twist an innocent story of
> > Ravi's New Year party.
> > >
> > >
> > > Welcome to FFL - Hyprocrites"R"Us
> > >
> > > Signed.
> > >
> > > Raunchydog
> > > Duveyoung
> > > Buck
> > > Feste37
> > > Wayback71
> > >
> > >
> > > On Jan 8, 2012, at 6:09 AM, "curtisdeltablues" curtisdeltablues@
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Ravi has been mounting a campaign to spread malicious lies about
> me
> > on this message board. I hope anyone interested in researching me or
> > checking up on my character will take the time do a search on this
> > individual's posts here so that you can understand what I am dealing
> > with. This is not an uncommon phenomenon in this Internet age of
> freedom
> > of expression.
> > > >
> > > > This individual does not know me personally, or have any inside
> > information about me.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Statement concerning Curtis's posts on FFL

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"  wrote:
>
> and to imply that Richard Williams had sex with a prairie dog 
> is absurd. It's an insult and anyone would see that it's an 
> insult rather than a serious accusation.

Agreed. Prairie dogs have better taste.

:-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Statement concerning Curtis's posts on FFL

[seventhray1]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Chivukula"
 wrote:
>
> " Just refrain from slander, sexual innuendo, and outright lies or
> speculation"


> This is exactly what you and Curtis were doing with New Year story.
When
> I in my inimitable style double down and throw your shit back at you
you
> start running around like wimps...LOL.
What a boring exercise.  But still, Ravi, explain this in context to
your News Year Eve story.  What did I miss  in that exchange?  What shit
were you throwing back at us?

> Small minds at FFL, the Hypocrites"R"US, raunchys, the duveyoungs, the
> Bucks, the feste37 don't realize I reflect, I magnify your hypocrisy
> back and so no wonder it looks painful, it looks threatening, so you
> attack the person rather than confront your hypocrisy, your fears,
your
> insecurities, your anxieties.
> Fucking pathetic.
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" steve.sundur@
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > What you fail to understand Ravi, is that you can substitute
"Curtis"
> > for most any other member here, and have it stick, it you wanted to.
> > You have chosen, for whatever reason, to ignore conventions of
> fairness,
> > and balance and attack people in a manner that most here find
> > objectionable. And I say fine, it that is what you care to do. Just
> > refrain from slander, sexual innuendo, and outright lies or
> speculation.
> >
> > Those are the boundries that most people live with here, and it
seems
> to
> > work. And if you can't live with those limitations, then I suggest
> you
> > go elsewhere.
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula
> > chivukula.ravi@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Curtis has been silently supporting malicious lies, innuendo and
> > rumors on FFL for years.
> > >
> > > Curtis has been a man of authority in cults with shady, sketchy
> past.
> > He has aligned himself with former cult members including TM,
> Frederick
> > Lenz aka Rama.
> > >
> > > He has had no problem supporting individuals who accuse people of
> > having sex with animals, implying sexual relations between members
of
> > FFL.
> > >
> > > Curtis supports people who indulge in throwing armchair labels at
> > people, supports posters who constantly, maliciously assign labels
to
> > others.
> > >
> > > He has no problem when individuals maliciously harass 70 year old
> > women.
> > >
> > > His recent change of heart comes as he gets a taste of his own
> > medicine.
> > >
> > > He had no problem maliciously trying to twist an innocent story of
> > Ravi's New Year party.
> > >
> > >
> > > Welcome to FFL - Hyprocrites"R"Us
> > >
> > > Signed.
> > >
> > > Raunchydog
> > > Duveyoung
> > > Buck
> > > Feste37
> > > Wayback71
> > >
> > >
> > > On Jan 8, 2012, at 6:09 AM, "curtisdeltablues" curtisdeltablues@
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Ravi has been mounting a campaign to spread malicious lies about
> me
> > on this message board. I hope anyone interested in researching me or
> > checking up on my character will take the time do a search on this
> > individual's posts here so that you can understand what I am dealing
> > with. This is not an uncommon phenomenon in this Internet age of
> freedom
> > of expression.
> > > >
> > > > This individual does not know me personally, or have any inside
> > information about me.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Statement concerning Curtis's posts on FFL

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Chivukula"  
wrote:
>
> " Just  refrain from slander, sexual innuendo, and outright lies or
> speculation"
> This is exactly what you and Curtis were doing with New Year story.

Sorry Ravi, but you continued bad behavior here has forced me to subpena the 
actual footage of the night in question. I present it here in the spirit of 
fairness so that this matter can finally be settled:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jH9sAENQNV8


 When
> I in my inimitable style double down and throw your shit back at you you
> start running around like wimps...LOL.
> Small minds at FFL, the Hypocrites"R"US, raunchys, the duveyoungs, the
> Bucks, the feste37 don't realize I reflect, I magnify your hypocrisy
> back and so no wonder it looks painful, it looks threatening, so you
> attack the person rather than confront your hypocrisy, your fears, your
> insecurities, your anxieties.
> Fucking pathetic.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > What you fail to understand Ravi, is that you can substitute "Curtis"
> > for most any other member here, and have it stick, it you wanted to.
> > You have chosen, for whatever reason, to ignore conventions of
> fairness,
> > and balance and attack people in a manner that most here find
> > objectionable.  And I say fine, it that is what you care to do.  Just
> > refrain from slander, sexual innuendo, and outright lies or
> speculation.
> >
> > Those are the boundries that most people live with here, and it seems
> to
> > work.  And if you can't live with those limitations, then I suggest
> you
> > go elsewhere.
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula
> > chivukula.ravi@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Curtis has been silently supporting malicious lies, innuendo and
> > rumors on FFL for years.
> > >
> > > Curtis has been a man of authority in cults with shady, sketchy
> past.
> > He has aligned himself with former cult members including TM,
> Frederick
> > Lenz aka Rama.
> > >
> > > He has had no problem supporting individuals who accuse people of
> > having sex with animals, implying sexual relations between members of
> > FFL.
> > >
> > > Curtis supports people who indulge in throwing armchair labels at
> > people, supports posters who constantly, maliciously assign labels to
> > others.
> > >
> > > He has no problem when individuals maliciously harass 70 year old
> > women.
> > >
> > > His recent change of heart comes as he gets a taste of his own
> > medicine.
> > >
> > > He had no problem maliciously trying to twist an innocent story of
> > Ravi's New Year party.
> > >
> > >
> > > Welcome to FFL - Hyprocrites"R"Us
> > >
> > > Signed.
> > >
> > > Raunchydog
> > > Duveyoung
> > > Buck
> > > Feste37
> > > Wayback71
> > >
> > >
> > > On Jan 8, 2012, at 6:09 AM, "curtisdeltablues" curtisdeltablues@
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Ravi has been mounting a campaign to spread malicious lies about
> me
> > on this message board. I hope anyone interested in researching me or
> > checking up on my character will take the time do a search on this
> > individual's posts here so that you can understand what I am dealing
> > with. This is not an uncommon phenomenon in this Internet age of
> freedom
> > of expression.
> > > >
> > > > This individual does not know me personally, or have any inside
> > information about me.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Adoptive Admissions

[Ravi Chivukula]

Oh my retarded TM TB, retarded psychologist shukra69. I'm not only
grandiose I'm a megalomaniac.

On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 6:11 AM, shukra69  wrote:

> **
>
>
> Rick Archer did not do you any favor and possibly a great deal of harm by
> encouraging your delusions.
> "What is grandiosity?
>
> Grandiosity occurs when a person has an inflated self-esteem, believe they
> have special powers, spiritual connections, or religious relationships.38
> http://www.bipolardisordersymptoms.info/bipolar-symptoms/grandiosity.htm
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula 
> wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 3:38 PM, seventhray1 wrote:
> >
> > > **
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Here's what bugged me, and I am sorry to bring it up again. Ravi
> discusses
> > > his New Years Night at the "Mist", where he describes having a 19 year
> old
> > > girl hit him up for drinks, and how the boner in his pants keeps
> getting
> > > harder and harder. Let me say, nothing in that story bothered me. I was
> > > rooting for the guy.
> > >
> >
> > LOL.."I was rooting for the guy",love it, but Steve not being a pervert
> > like Curtis who used his power in a cult to prey on innocent women it
> only
> > made root for my beloved more. I would only have with sex with her, a
> > goddess or just stay single. Anyway I don't know if I mentioned it or if
> > you are conveniently forgetting it. I didn't realize she was under 21 but
> > the bartender pointed it out and soon the security kicked her out.
> Anyway I
> > ended up ending drinking the shot of Tequila I bought and 2 more because
> I
> > now missed my beloved. This incident only confirmed my love for my
> beloved.
> >
> > Anyway Curtis had posted the week prior that I couldn't humiliate him but
> > clearly he was crying, try to manipulate everyone by the end. Proved he
> is
> > a bitch of mine, I can tweak him anytime I want..LOL..
> >
> > But Curtis with a sharper eye and higher morals raised a few flags, and
> > > suddenly it's Curtis's who is being accused of debauchery, and becomes
> the
> > > victim of out and out slander, the likes of which I don't think we've
> been
> > > privy to here in some time.
> > >
> > > You raised no objection. When asked by a member if you felt this was
> > > appropiate behavior on Ravi's part, you refused to answer the question
> on
> > > the grounds that the question was not phrased properly.
> > >
> > > Maybe it's just me, but I felt you should have taken a stand, or at
> least
> > > be willing to answer the question one of the first two times it was
> asked.
> > > By the time you did answer it, it had lost any impact.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>  
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[zarzari_786]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> What will be interesting to see is whether those who have
> piled on to Ravi's delusions and encouraged them to further 
> their own petty vendettas will support him, or you. 

Barry, let me underline your above sentence with a big red marker.

> If they walked their talk, there would be no question what
> they would do, would there? But to do so would involve 
> actual integrity, so on this forum there's just no tellin'
> what's going to happen.

You are spot on again. How could people have such a lack of discrimination? 
Especially those who talk about morals and integrity all the time, they have 
totally lost it with me. 

This is the example, the real live example of the discriminative power of the 
pro TMers. It needs you to point this out to them. In both cases they support 
the enlightenment delusions of people, in both cases, this is morally wrong to 
those people. It is a lack of integrity only supported by their sophistry.  All 
those, who supposedly spend the last 17 years to support the agenda of TM, with 
the aim to counterbalance any negative spin on it, they just put those 17 years 
into the trash-bin with this act. Do they think, any higher up in TMO would be 
happy about this, about them lining up behind these cases? Somebody utterly 
abusive as, most probably pi-polar as to his own verdict, show casing 
enlightenment? Or somebody who summoned Maharishi to the court, for his own 
delusional reasons? (Where is Lawson when you need him?) I see no moral 
integrity in this, no sincerity in it at all. I cannot believe all this 
happened here. The TMer in me, that is still there somewhere, in my 
appreciation for what I have received as gifts in my life and youth, is deeply 
disgusted at this.

You, Barry, out of all, you nailed this.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
 wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
> wrote:
> 
> > Everybody be Internet safe, watch your own backs, 
> > and this too shall pass.  Good fences make good 
> > neighbors and I'm constructing one with 100,000 volts.
> 
> Make sure you have a lot of amperage too. Walking on a carpet can generate as 
> much as 25,000 volts, but it can hardly knock you down.
> 
> Voltage is like water pressure, amperage is the flow rate. Volts X Amperes = 
> Watts which is a better measure of total power. (And I did not know this 
> either, I had to look it up.)

Anyone one the business end of a taser would know!  In fact I think it is the 
high volts, low amps that make them relatively safe but still effective.  

> 
> Spelling correction Curtis: 'manor' is a house, 'manner' is the way something 
> is done. I think you did this twice recently. Education is forever.


Thanks, that is exactly the kind of spelling error I need help with because 
spell check lets it ride. Once I see it as you have pointed out it seems 
obvious.  Any and all corrections are welcome I have learned to spell better 
because of spell check but am not a naturally good speller so I am prone to 
idiocies.  

> 
> I think you are fine. Ravi is a loose cannon. If it ever came to libel, 
> perhaps he might be able to claim insanity.>

Much appreciated.  I believe the legal term that applies is nucking futs but 
that is just my layman's opinion.  




>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Review: Tinkers, Tailors, Soldiers, Spies

[Bhairitu]

On 01/08/2012 05:40 AM, Susan wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>> As with my review yesterday of "The Girls with the Dragon Tattoos," this
>> is really a review of two versions of the same story. In yesterday's
>> episode of Unasked-For Film Reviews For An Audience Who Will Probably
>> Never Watch The Films Being Reviewed :-),
> I did see it, and also the Swedish version (the better version).  So, your 
> words were not wasted.  I read all 3 books, as well.  I agree, the books were 
> not that well written and I was surprised that they sold so well,  but the 
> story line was great - liberal, feminist middle aged male who has a long term 
> relationship with a beautiful older woman, the hero against corporate 
> corruption and personal corruption.

So were the books written in Swedish as I suspect they were and the 
translators even translated the poor writing style?  I recall how well 
the dreadfully written "Celestine Prophecy" sold and how dreadful the 
movie was as well.

The Fincher version followed the book and not the movie so it is not 
really a remake.  It was different enough that didn't feel I was 
watching a remake.  But the film has flopped at the box office just 
because it "telegraphed" remake to the public.

And the critics agree with me on "Melancholia". ;)
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/07/us-usa-film-critics-awards-idUSTRE8060LL20120107

And it appears that some movie business experts agree with me on the 
decline of Hollywood:
http://www.thewrap.com/movies/article/what-ails-hollywood-six-experts-weigh-34020

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Statement concerning Curtis's posts on FFL

[Ravi Chivukula]

LOL..truth doesn't need any support, Enlightenment doesn't need any approval 
from others, an individual always stands apart. Who ever supports here do it 
out of their conscience, I don't care for anyone's approval, concern or support.

Hypocrites cluster together, retards cluster together, perverts cluster 
together.

Curtis is the victim..LOL.. He is being comforted, caressed by clusters, 
clusters of hypocrites, retards, perverts. It's a gala time, party time - have 
fun you all.




On Jan 8, 2012, at 12:21 PM, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:

> OK, here we go again...
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  
> wrote:
> >
> > Curtis has been silently supporting malicious lies, innuendo and rumors on 
> > FFL for years.
> 
> Ok fair enough, an opinion I do not share.
> 
> > 
> > Curtis has been a man of authority in cults with shady, sketchy past. He 
> > has aligned himself with former cult members including TM, Frederick Lenz 
> > aka Rama.
> 
> I don't know what you mean by "aligned myself", but I have no relationship 
> with Rama at all in any way. There is a POV where you could view everyone 
> here as having associated with former cult members, it kinda defines the 
> place.
> 
> > 
> > He has had no problem supporting individuals who accuse people of having 
> > sex with animals, implying sexual relations between members of FFL.>
> 
> Supporting who, how? I am opposed to anyone having sex with animals. As far 
> as sex between FFL members go, that is up to them I have no opinion. I don't 
> support when people like Jim create graphic depictions of me having sex with 
> others here.
> 
> > 
> > Curtis supports people who indulge in throwing armchair labels at people, 
> > supports posters who constantly, maliciously assign labels to others.
> 
> OK, another opinion. Kinda lame but that is my opinion.
> 
> > 
> > He has no problem when individuals maliciously harass 70 year old women.>
> 
> I would have a problem with people harassing anyone. For example I am against 
> you harassing me here on this board.
> 
> > 
> > His recent change of heart comes as he gets a taste of his own medicine.>
> 
> No, I have been an advocate against the idea that we have a moral imperative 
> to jump in on other people's fights with Judy for years now. 
> 
> > 
> > He had no problem maliciously trying to twist an innocent story of Ravi's 
> > New Year party.
> 
> Actually you lied about it repeatedly. In your latest version you actually 
> did buy liquor for an underage girls but despite our having had it clarified 
> that people in that particular club wear indicators if they are underage, you 
> claim you didn't know. Then you claim they threw her out and you drank it. 
> All after you had claimed it was all a lie to suck me in.
> 
> So if you are troubled by people judging you for your actual stated behavior, 
> try not posting stories about you doing illegal things and then making up a 
> lot of unconvincing denials after getting called on it.
> > 
> > 
> > Welcome to FFL - Hyprocrites"R"Us
> > 
> > Signed.
> > 
> > Raunchydog
> > Duveyoung
> > Buck
> > Feste37
> > Wayback71
> 
> See this is what I was trying to avoid. I'm the lightening rod here Ravi. 
> Focus on me. I'm the bad bad man who doesn't believe that you are enlightened 
> or that your abusive behavior here is cute or shows what a special guy you 
> are. I object to your spreading lies about me on this board, but since I have 
> the power to post back, I feel confident that your malicious agenda has no 
> power to hurt me. Over here big guy, Curtis is the one who is making you feel 
> this way. Keep em coming till you post out. There you go, atta boy, keep on 
> punching, punch, punch, punch at the bad, bad man.
> 
> You are not gunna troll me out Ravi. 
> 
> > 
> > 
> > On Jan 8, 2012, at 6:09 AM, "curtisdeltablues"  wrote:
> > 
> > > Ravi has been mounting a campaign to spread malicious lies about me on 
> > > this message board. I hope anyone interested in researching me or 
> > > checking up on my character will take the time do a search on this 
> > > individual's posts here so that you can understand what I am dealing 
> > > with. This is not an uncommon phenomenon in this Internet age of freedom 
> > > of expression. 
> > > 
> > > This individual does not know me personally, or have any inside 
> > > information about me. 
> > > 
> > >
> >
> 
> 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy new year to everyone !!! (And more love bombing..)

[maskedzebra]

Hey Steve!

You studied Julius Caesar with your daughter. What is the essence of this 
play's theme?  What do you make of the main characters? Like Cassius, like 
Brutus.Similarly, you should examine this post by Judy Stein, and consider: 
what is the essence of what this person is saying? why is she saying what she 
is saying? To what extent can I, by entering fully into the spirit of what has 
said, comprehend fully and exactly what is going on here such as to allow me to 
compose an existentially and intellectually authentic response?

This is what neither Barry or Curtis will do. For Curtis, what Judy says here 
amounts simply to: How am I going argue against all this so that I am spared 
the experience of wondering whether any of it is true or not? You will be 
compelled to do the same, Steve. So there can't be any kind of conversation 
between us until you see that in approaching what Judy Stein has written here, 
you must try to get a hold of the entirety of the truth of what is getting 
expressed—as if, to repeat, you were examining a play, and your daughter was 
assigned the exercise of trying to determine—from an outsider's perspective—who 
is right, how much they are right, who is wrong, to what extent are they wrong 
and so on.

In other words, Steve, you must look at this post of Judy's and mortify all 
your subjective compulsions to want to see it the way it can serve your own 
needs, your own conditioned expectations, your own way of having life add 
itself up to you consistent with your own self-determined predilections.

There is after all a 'truth' in an disagreement like the one between Judy and 
Curtis. You are singularly incapable of stepping back and contemplating what 
that truth is independent of your violent and reflexive reactions to Judy—and 
your, because of your experience in being scrutinized by Judy in the past, 
strong bias towards wanting her opponent Curtis to triumph, to be your hero in 
this.

I don't let my predisposition one way or the other affect or influence the way 
I read Judy's post here. For all I know Judy could be full of shit. And Curtis 
the perfect martyr. But when I really go deeply into the matter, I cannot 
traduce my own conscience: Judy is arguing fairly, honestly, and truthfully. 

And what does *this* mean? It means she trusts in her contact with something 
other than her own vanity and self-esteem. What is that other thing she trusts 
in—perhaps not even consciously? That would be reality, Steve. For reality will 
adjudicate this dispute in a perfect way.

Why not seek to bring your views into accordance with something as beautiful 
and ruthless as reality?

Robin

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
> wrote:
> >
> > This post was helpful in getting to the bottom of this topic Judy.  It has 
> > clarified my thinking.  Points below:
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Responses to two of Curtis's posts:
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > 
> > > > I appreciate that Steve.  It is really comical that I was
> > > > handed such an extreme case as Ravi for her to dig in about.
> > > > How did you like her move that it was MY trickery that made
> > > > Ravi say those things?  We are such creative creatures.
> > > 
> > > Yes, Curtis, the notion that I made any such "move" is
> > > very creative indeed. You don't have much choice but to
> > > be creative, given the reality, now, do you? 
> > > 
> > > > Despite the inability to ever admit that she was wrong,
> > > 
> > > Undoubtedly the next nomination for the Inadvertent Irony
> > > award. Except that it isn't inadvertent; it's just a
> > > continuation of the attempted deception I've already
> > > outlined. But we'll see a *really* inadvertent example
> > > below.
> > > 
> > > > I am optimistic that good will come of this.  I'm pretty sure
> > > > the lip-service of a moral imperative for getting into other
> > > > people's fights will die off.
> > > 
> > > Dream on. We notice how you've eagerly accepted the support
> > > from others you've received during this ugly episode. You
> > > adamantly refuse to give such support yourself, but you're
> > > happy to get it from everybody else.
> > 
> > This is sort of the crux of it for me.  Support can be 
> > voluntarily given and would naturally be appreciated.  What
> > I am objecting to is your insistence, along with some others
> > that there is a moral imperative to do so.
> 
> Has it not occurred to you that those who gave you
> such support did so out of a conviction that there
> was a moral imperative to do so?
> 
> (Well, not *all* of them; a couple just wanted to
> put Ravi down because they don't like him.)
> 
> > I was objecting to the accusation that my failure to do so
> > in cases you have chosen as priorities for you,indicated a
> > moral lapse on my part.
> 
> Yup,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Review: Tinkers, Tailors, Soldiers, Spies

[Susan]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> On 01/08/2012 05:40 AM, Susan wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >> As with my review yesterday of "The Girls with the Dragon Tattoos," this
> >> is really a review of two versions of the same story. In yesterday's
> >> episode of Unasked-For Film Reviews For An Audience Who Will Probably
> >> Never Watch The Films Being Reviewed :-),
> > I did see it, and also the Swedish version (the better version).  So, your 
> > words were not wasted.  I read all 3 books, as well.  I agree, the books 
> > were not that well written and I was surprised that they sold so well,  but 
> > the story line was great - liberal, feminist middle aged male who has a 
> > long term relationship with a beautiful older woman, the hero against 
> > corporate corruption and personal corruption.
> 
> So were the books written in Swedish as I suspect they were and the 
> translators even translated the poor writing style?  

Yes, with the Swedish title translating as "Men Who Hate Women."

I recall how well 
> the dreadfully written "Celestine Prophecy" sold and how dreadful the 
> movie was as well.
> 
> The Fincher version followed the book and not the movie so it is not 
> really a remake.  It was different enough that didn't feel I was 
> watching a remake.  But the film has flopped at the box office just 
> because it "telegraphed" remake to the public.
> 
> And the critics agree with me on "Melancholia". ;)
> http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/07/us-usa-film-critics-awards-idUSTRE8060LL20120107
> 
> And it appears that some movie business experts agree with me on the 
> decline of Hollywood:
> http://www.thewrap.com/movies/article/what-ails-hollywood-six-experts-weigh-34020
>

Did you see The Mill and The Cross, a film by Lech Majewski, who is Polish? It 
came out this past year.  It is based on a large painting by Pieter Bruegel, 
The Road to Calvary.  Stars Charlotte Rampling and Michael York.  The 
characters in the painting come to life and you are sucked into the action, and 
then taken out again from time to time.  Parallels daily life there in the 
Netherlands and everywhere with the story of the imprisonment, ostracism and 
killing of a person the authorities consider a threat.  In the painting, Jesus, 
who is carrying his cross, is not the central character. It is the bystanders 
and their lives that are the story.  So too in the film.  Amazing, unique film. 
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy new year to everyone !!! (And more love bombing..)

[Susan]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra  wrote:
>
> Hey Steve!
> 
> You studied Julius Caesar with your daughter. What is the essence of this 
> play's theme?  What do you make of the main characters? Like Cassius, like 
> Brutus.Similarly, you should examine this post by Judy Stein, and consider: 
> what is the essence of what this person is saying? why is she saying what she 
> is saying? To what extent can I, by entering fully into the spirit of what 
> has said, comprehend fully and exactly what is going on here such as to allow 
> me to compose an existentially and intellectually authentic response?
> 
> This is what neither Barry or Curtis will do. For Curtis, what Judy says here 
> amounts simply to: How am I going argue against all this so that I am spared 
> the experience of wondering whether any of it is true or not? You will be 
> compelled to do the same, Steve. So there can't be any kind of conversation 
> between us until you see that in approaching what Judy Stein has written 
> here, you must try to get a hold of the entirety of the truth of what is 
> getting expressed—as if, to repeat, you were examining a play, and your 
> daughter was assigned the exercise of trying to determine—from an outsider's 
> perspective—who is right, how much they are right, who is wrong, to what 
> extent are they wrong and so on.
> 
> In other words, Steve, you must look at this post of Judy's and mortify all 
> your subjective compulsions to want to see it the way it can serve your own 
> needs, your own conditioned expectations, your own way of having life add 
> itself up to you consistent with your own self-determined predilections.
> 
> There is after all a 'truth' in an disagreement like the one between Judy and 
> Curtis. You are singularly incapable of stepping back and contemplating what 
> that truth is independent of your violent and reflexive reactions to Judy—and 
> your, because of your experience in being scrutinized by Judy in the past, 
> strong bias towards wanting her opponent Curtis to triumph, to be your hero 
> in this.
> 
> I don't let my predisposition one way or the other affect or influence the 
> way I read Judy's post here. For all I know Judy could be full of shit. And 
> Curtis the perfect martyr. But when I really go deeply into the matter, I 
> cannot traduce my own conscience: Judy is arguing fairly, honestly, and 
> truthfully. 
> 
> And what does *this* mean? It means she trusts in her contact with something 
> other than her own vanity and self-esteem. What is that other thing she 
> trusts in—perhaps not even consciously? That would be reality, Steve. For 
> reality will adjudicate this dispute in a perfect way.
> 
> Why not seek to bring your views into accordance with something as beautiful 
> and ruthless as reality?
> 
> Robin
> 

Oy.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Statement concerning Curtis's posts on FFL

[seventhray1]

Good Ravi.  And from what I gather, the burden of evidence you require
in determining the truth, is that you can make any accusation you wish. 
And depending on how vehemently the accused responds determines the
level of truth of your accusation.  I think you have broken some new
ground here.  Perhaps this is enlightened justice or Ravi justice, or
something.  Good luck with this.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula
 wrote:
>
> LOL..truth doesn't need any support, Enlightenment doesn't need any
approval from others, an individual always stands apart. Who ever
supports here do it out of their conscience, I don't care for anyone's
approval, concern or support.
>
> Hypocrites cluster together, retards cluster together, perverts
cluster together.
>
> Curtis is the victim..LOL.. He is being comforted, caressed by
clusters, clusters of hypocrites, retards, perverts. It's a gala time,
party time - have fun you all.
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 8, 2012, at 12:21 PM, "curtisdeltablues" curtisdeltablues@...
wrote:
>
> > OK, here we go again...
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@
wrote:
> > >
> > > Curtis has been silently supporting malicious lies, innuendo and
rumors on FFL for years.
> >
> > Ok fair enough, an opinion I do not share.
> >
> > >
> > > Curtis has been a man of authority in cults with shady, sketchy
past. He has aligned himself with former cult members including TM,
Frederick Lenz aka Rama.
> >
> > I don't know what you mean by "aligned myself", but I have no
relationship with Rama at all in any way. There is a POV where you could
view everyone here as having associated with former cult members, it
kinda defines the place.
> >
> > >
> > > He has had no problem supporting individuals who accuse people of
having sex with animals, implying sexual relations between members of
FFL.>
> >
> > Supporting who, how? I am opposed to anyone having sex with animals.
As far as sex between FFL members go, that is up to them I have no
opinion. I don't support when people like Jim create graphic depictions
of me having sex with others here.
> >
> > >
> > > Curtis supports people who indulge in throwing armchair labels at
people, supports posters who constantly, maliciously assign labels to
others.
> >
> > OK, another opinion. Kinda lame but that is my opinion.
> >
> > >
> > > He has no problem when individuals maliciously harass 70 year old
women.>
> >
> > I would have a problem with people harassing anyone. For example I
am against you harassing me here on this board.
> >
> > >
> > > His recent change of heart comes as he gets a taste of his own
medicine.>
> >
> > No, I have been an advocate against the idea that we have a moral
imperative to jump in on other people's fights with Judy for years now.
> >
> > >
> > > He had no problem maliciously trying to twist an innocent story of
Ravi's New Year party.
> >
> > Actually you lied about it repeatedly. In your latest version you
actually did buy liquor for an underage girls but despite our having had
it clarified that people in that particular club wear indicators if they
are underage, you claim you didn't know. Then you claim they threw her
out and you drank it. All after you had claimed it was all a lie to suck
me in.
> >
> > So if you are troubled by people judging you for your actual stated
behavior, try not posting stories about you doing illegal things and
then making up a lot of unconvincing denials after getting called on it.
> > >
> > >
> > > Welcome to FFL - Hyprocrites"R"Us
> > >
> > > Signed.
> > >
> > > Raunchydog
> > > Duveyoung
> > > Buck
> > > Feste37
> > > Wayback71
> >
> > See this is what I was trying to avoid. I'm the lightening rod here
Ravi. Focus on me. I'm the bad bad man who doesn't believe that you are
enlightened or that your abusive behavior here is cute or shows what a
special guy you are. I object to your spreading lies about me on this
board, but since I have the power to post back, I feel confident that
your malicious agenda has no power to hurt me. Over here big guy, Curtis
is the one who is making you feel this way. Keep em coming till you post
out. There you go, atta boy, keep on punching, punch, punch, punch at
the bad, bad man.
> >
> > You are not gunna troll me out Ravi.
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Jan 8, 2012, at 6:09 AM, "curtisdeltablues" curtisdeltablues@
wrote:
> > >
> > > > Ravi has been mounting a campaign to spread malicious lies about
me on this message board. I hope anyone interested in researching me or
checking up on my character will take the time do a search on this
individual's posts here so that you can understand what I am dealing
with. This is not an uncommon phenomenon in this Internet age of freedom
of expression.
> > > >
> > > > This individual does not know me personally, or have any inside
information about me.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy new year to everyone !!! (And more love bombing..)

[seventhray1]

My perspective on Judy has certainly changed over time.  From one of
mostly a critic to someone who often respects and is in agreement with
her opinions and observations.

But here is something I have found instructive.   Judy was asked, twice,
if she felt Ravi had gone overboard in  his slandering of Curtis.  (New
Years Eve incident) (Please allow me  proceed with this term, since
there has been no evidence to suggest that Curtis engaged in the
behavior for which he accused)

She was asked this question by someone who I consider an honest broker
-wayback71.  Judy evidently objected to the way the question was phrased
and would not answer it.  Later on she finally provided some answer.  
By that time I did not pay much attention to it, but one thing she said
was, and I believe I have the quote correct, or correct enough, "Susan
knows I don't endorse lying..."

Well, if a person doesn't endorse lying, then at one point do you stand
up and oppose it?

Then today, in an exchange with Curtis, we find that this oppostion to
"lying" is conditional as to whether a person "deserves" to be defended
from lying.  Evidently she feels, or felt that Curtis was not entitled
to this defending.  Or that the slander was not sufficient enough to
warrant addressing it.  Well if that is the case, then don't make a
blanket statment that "so and so knows I oppose lying"

What do you think?



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra  wrote:
>
> Hey Steve!
>
> You studied Julius Caesar with your daughter. What is the essence of
this play's theme? What do you make of the main characters? Like
Cassius, like Brutus.Similarly, you should examine this post by Judy
Stein, and consider: what is the essence of what this person is saying?
why is she saying what she is saying? To what extent can I, by entering
fully into the spirit of what has said, comprehend fully and exactly
what is going on here such as to allow me to compose an existentially
and intellectually authentic response?
>
> This is what neither Barry or Curtis will do. For Curtis, what Judy
says here amounts simply to: How am I going argue against all this so
that I am spared the experience of wondering whether any of it is true
or not? You will be compelled to do the same, Steve. So there can't be
any kind of conversation between us until you see that in approaching
what Judy Stein has written here, you must try to get a hold of the
entirety of the truth of what is getting expressed—as if, to repeat,
you were examining a play, and your daughter was assigned the exercise
of trying to determine—from an outsider's perspective—who is
right, how much they are right, who is wrong, to what extent are they
wrong and so on.
>
> In other words, Steve, you must look at this post of Judy's and
mortify all your subjective compulsions to want to see it the way it can
serve your own needs, your own conditioned expectations, your own way of
having life add itself up to you consistent with your own
self-determined predilections.
>
> There is after all a 'truth' in an disagreement like the one between
Judy and Curtis. You are singularly incapable of stepping back and
contemplating what that truth is independent of your violent and
reflexive reactions to Judy—and your, because of your experience in
being scrutinized by Judy in the past, strong bias towards wanting her
opponent Curtis to triumph, to be your hero in this.
>
> I don't let my predisposition one way or the other affect or influence
the way I read Judy's post here. For all I know Judy could be full of
shit. And Curtis the perfect martyr. But when I really go deeply into
the matter, I cannot traduce my own conscience: Judy is arguing fairly,
honestly, and truthfully.
>
> And what does *this* mean? It means she trusts in her contact with
something other than her own vanity and self-esteem. What is that other
thing she trusts in—perhaps not even consciously? That would be
reality, Steve. For reality will adjudicate this dispute in a perfect
way.
>
> Why not seek to bring your views into accordance with something as
beautiful and ruthless as reality?
>
> Robin
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" jstein@ wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
 wrote:
> > >
> > > This post was helpful in getting to the bottom of this topic Judy.
It has clarified my thinking. Points below:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" 
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Responses to two of Curtis's posts:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
 wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > I appreciate that Steve. It is really comical that I was
> > > > > handed such an extreme case as Ravi for her to dig in about.
> > > > > How did you like her move that it was MY trickery that made
> > > > > Ravi say those things? We are such creative creatures.
> > > >
> > > > Yes, Curtis, the notion that I made any such "move" is
> > > > very creative indeed. You don't have much choice b

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Statement concerning Ravi's posts about Curtis

[Bhairitu]

On 01/08/2012 08:45 AM, Alex Stanley wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>> Yep, I should hope the FFL moderators would enforce the highest
>> levels of civility here.
> You can hope until you're blue in the face, but until Rick decides he no 
> longer wants FFL to be an almost anything goes free-speech zone, you're 
> likely to remain disappointed. I suggest people simply filter out those 
> participants they find disagreeable.

Yup, I pay little attention to TMaphile's kerfuffles here as they seem 
very juvenile.  More fun to find out what folks here are doing day to 
day  outside TM or whatever one practices.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[Bhairitu]

On 01/08/2012 07:58 AM, turquoiseb wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
> "curtisdeltablues"  wrote:
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786  wrote:
>>> Curtis, ask Alex, anonymity is garanteed here:  one solution
>>> to this is, that you use a different screen name, than your
>>> professional name, and then INSIST, that nobody here who knows
>>> it, could address you with your real/artists name (which could
>>> be everybody). This will be then enforced by the moderators.
>>> You could possibly have all mentions of your artists name,
>>> which are denigatory, removed.
>> Thanks for the kind intentions.  I post here with my sincere
>> beliefs in a way that gives me a little internet search engine
>> room from my professional life.
>>
>> I don't believe that any insistences work here. People have
>> been respectful when I have asked that my full name not be
>> used.  The truth is that these posts are forever.  Our anonymity
>> is long gone.  So we try to do a little patch work here and there,
>> but ultimately, we who have chosen to post on boards like this
>> are searchable and can't stop that.  We can only try to be proud
>> of what we post and let the chips fall where they may.
>>
>> I appreciate your post, thanks!
> Have any of you in the FFL audience ever been blacklisted?
> I mean really, as in seeing an actual physical copy of a
> list circulated to potential employers with a big DO NOT
> HIRE printed across the top in bold, 24-point type?
>
> I have.
>
> A friendly technopimp in New York once showed me the list
> that had my name on it. He, aware of my on-the-job perform-
> ance and my actual talents, laughed it off and described
> it as the work of "cult cranks." Fascinatingly enough, the
> list itself was created and circulated among NYC employers
> by people who called themselves "anti-cultists." They had
> a burr up their butts about Rama - Frenderick Lenz, and had
> decided that the way to put him out of business was to make
> it impossible for his students, most of whom worked in IT,
> to find jobs. So they stole a list of all his students, put
> their names on their DO NOT HIRE list, and distributed it
> widely in New York City. It never really affected me
> personally, but it did affect a number of my good friends
> at the time.
>
> Now think about some of the things that have been said, on
> equally as public a forum, about some on this forum. I have
> been called in the past a tax criminal, a liar, a pervert,
> and many other things. When I applied for residency in Spain,
> the first thing the official in charge of my application did
> when I left his office was Google me, to see what the Internet
> had to say about me. A month later, when I went back to the
> office to pick up the residency card he had approved for me,
> he showed me printouts of a few of the things he had found.
>
> Several of them were from Willytex or Nabby; the vast majority
> of them were from Judy Stein. He referred to all of them as
> "Internet cranks." He looked at me and said, "CIA agent," and
> laughed. I laughed, too. I was fortunate. Not everyone is.
>
> WTF can people who feel that it is their prerogative to make
> up things about the people they don't like to *hurt* them,
> either emotionally or professionally, be *thinking*? When I
> say something about someone here, I try to be conscientious
> enough to always include a bit "IMO," to make it clear that
> anything I say IS opinion. Others do not. As Curtis says,
> the things said here are fuckin' FOREVER, and they have
> effects, both karmic, and real-world.
>
> Catch a fuckin' CLUE, people. Your personal desire to "get"
> someone on your Enemies List doth not give you the right to
> try to "get" them in real life. That just makes you insane,
> not spiritual, or moral.

Then there is the "companies I will not work for" list, which is 
somewhat long and includes any company that would black list me due to 
my Internet activities or does drug testing even though I don't use 
drugs.  In fact it is a downright good reason to make life tough for 
them.  And BTW there are entrepreneurs who would also see such Internet 
activities as a good reason to hire you especially if they ARE looking 
for a maverick.

I would also consider the present day silliness of the general public to 
be a sign that human extinction may well be close at hand (and maybe 
overdue). ;)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Statement concerning Curtis's posts on FFL

[Ravi Chivukula]

Dear Steve,

I use same strategy as the messiahs of dishonesty and deception, your Curtis's, 
Barry's. However I stretch every known morality, sensibility, subtlety so my 
words form a mirror where the ugliness, hypocrisy, fears, anxieties and  
insecurities are reflected back.

I have zero emotional investment in my words, words are toys that I manipulate 
to twist others. I'm firmly rooted in truth, I'm totally aware of the stories I 
create, the magical deception I weave in pursuit of the truth. Whereas for the 
Curtis's, the Barry's there is huge emotional investment. There are so 
identified with it, they have built whole belief systems out of it viz Curtis 
who has developed an intricate, complex 7 layered deception, progressively 
cruder, baser and grosser.

So now you clusters of hypocrites, clusters of retards, clusters of perverts 
have no choice but to condemn the man that forces you to painfully look at your 
fears, anxieties, insecurities, your belief systems that you have constructed 
to avoid looking at the truth, looking at yourself. You have no choice, you are 
forced to throw labels at me. How dare I disturb the mob, the cults, the 
beliefs you have so tirelessly developed to avoid the truth?

Love,
Ravi

On Jan 8, 2012, at 1:37 PM, "seventhray1"  wrote:

> Good Ravi.  And from what I gather, the burden of evidence you require in 
> determining the truth, is that you can make any accusation you wish.  And 
> depending on how vehemently the accused responds determines the level of 
> truth of your accusation.  I think you have broken some new ground here.  
> Perhaps this is enlightened justice or Ravi justice, or something.  Good luck 
> with this.
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  
> wrote:
> >
> > LOL..truth doesn't need any support, Enlightenment doesn't need any 
> > approval from others, an individual always stands apart. Who ever supports 
> > here do it out of their conscience, I don't care for anyone's approval, 
> > concern or support.
> > 
> > Hypocrites cluster together, retards cluster together, perverts cluster 
> > together.
> > 
> > Curtis is the victim..LOL.. He is being comforted, caressed by clusters, 
> > clusters of hypocrites, retards, perverts. It's a gala time, party time - 
> > have fun you all.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Jan 8, 2012, at 12:21 PM, "curtisdeltablues" curtisdeltablues@... wrote:
> > 
> > > OK, here we go again...
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Curtis has been silently supporting malicious lies, innuendo and rumors 
> > > > on FFL for years.
> > > 
> > > Ok fair enough, an opinion I do not share.
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Curtis has been a man of authority in cults with shady, sketchy past. 
> > > > He has aligned himself with former cult members including TM, Frederick 
> > > > Lenz aka Rama.
> > > 
> > > I don't know what you mean by "aligned myself", but I have no 
> > > relationship with Rama at all in any way. There is a POV where you could 
> > > view everyone here as having associated with former cult members, it 
> > > kinda defines the place.
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > He has had no problem supporting individuals who accuse people of 
> > > > having sex with animals, implying sexual relations between members of 
> > > > FFL.>
> > > 
> > > Supporting who, how? I am opposed to anyone having sex with animals. As 
> > > far as sex between FFL members go, that is up to them I have no opinion. 
> > > I don't support when people like Jim create graphic depictions of me 
> > > having sex with others here.
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Curtis supports people who indulge in throwing armchair labels at 
> > > > people, supports posters who constantly, maliciously assign labels to 
> > > > others.
> > > 
> > > OK, another opinion. Kinda lame but that is my opinion.
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > He has no problem when individuals maliciously harass 70 year old 
> > > > women.>
> > > 
> > > I would have a problem with people harassing anyone. For example I am 
> > > against you harassing me here on this board.
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > His recent change of heart comes as he gets a taste of his own 
> > > > medicine.>
> > > 
> > > No, I have been an advocate against the idea that we have a moral 
> > > imperative to jump in on other people's fights with Judy for years now. 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > He had no problem maliciously trying to twist an innocent story of 
> > > > Ravi's New Year party.
> > > 
> > > Actually you lied about it repeatedly. In your latest version you 
> > > actually did buy liquor for an underage girls but despite our having had 
> > > it clarified that people in that particular club wear indicators if they 
> > > are underage, you claim you didn't know. Then you claim they threw her 
> > > out and you drank it. All after you had claimed it was all a lie to suck 
> > > me in.
> > > 
> > > So if you are troubled by people judging you for your actua

[FairfieldLife] A study of FFL ecosystem

[Ravi Chivukula]

Hi,
I'm excited to announce an exciting new research article that's in the
works from Dr. Ravi Chivukula, Psy. D, UCLA.
His ground breaking research looks at the categories of various fauna
and flora in the FFL ecosystem.
Here are some snippets.
The major categories of FFL ecosystem according to Dr. Chivukula is as
follows
1) Perverts"R"Us - denoted by posters such as Curtis, Barry. Associated
with cults,  intricate, avoid predators and survive by their well
developed complex new belief systems constructed to avoid their
perversion, deception
2) Hypocrites"R"Us - posters such as feste37, raunchydog, Buck, the cold
heartless Xeno, who avoid predators and survive by their well developed
belief systems to avoid looking at their pain, their hypocrisy
3) Retards"R"Us - posters such as Steve, Susanwayback71, who avoid
predators and survive by their pea sized intellect that can easily avoid
confronting their fears, insecurities, anxities.
4) Individuals"R"Us - these are the posters that don't rely on anyone,
have no known predators, have healthy respect for other Individuals, use
clear intellect, heart, intuition - your Rory's, Jim's, Judy's, Robin's,
Bob's, Denise's, Obba's.

[FairfieldLife] Re: A study of FFL ecosystem

[Ravi Chivukula]

Apologies to certain posters, for not adding them.
Perverts"R"Us - Curtis, Barry, Uncle Vaj
Hypocrites"R"Us - Raunchydog, Buck, feste37, duveyoung aka Edg,
marekravis, zarzari_786
Retards"R"Us - seventhray1 aka Steve aka PBHR, Susan aka wayback71 aka
Ms. Waybackward, shukra69 aka TM TB aka retarded psychologists Stephen
Anderson
Individuals"R"Us - Judy, Jim, Rory, Denise, Obba, Bob, Robin

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Chivukula"
 wrote:
>
> Hi,>
> I'm excited to announce an exciting new research article that's in the
> works from Dr. Ravi Chivukula, Psy. D, UCLA.>
> His ground breaking research looks at the categories of various fauna
> and flora in the FFL ecosystem.>
> Here are some snippets.>
> The major categories of FFL ecosystem according to Dr. Chivukula is as
> follows>
> 1) Perverts"R"Us - denoted by posters such as Curtis, Barry.
Associated
> with cults,  intricate, avoid predators and survive by their well
> developed complex new belief systems constructed to avoid their
> perversion, deception
>> 2) Hypocrites"R"Us - posters such as feste37, raunchydog, Buck, the
cold
> heartless Xeno, who avoid predators and survive by their well
developed
> belief systems to avoid looking at their pain, their hypocrisy>
> 3) Retards"R"Us - posters such as Steve, Susanwayback71, who avoid
> predators and survive by their pea sized intellect that can easily
avoid
> confronting their fears, insecurities, anxities.
>> 4) Individuals"R"Us - these are the posters that don't rely on
anyone,
> have no known predators, have healthy respect for other Individuals,
use
> clear intellect, heart, intuition - your Rory's, Jim's, Judy's,
Robin's,
> Bob's, Denise's, Obba's.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Internet freedom converning Ravi's posts

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > What will be interesting to see is whether those who have
> > piled on to Ravi's delusions and encouraged them to further 
> > their own petty vendettas will support him, or you. 
> 
> Barry, let me underline your above sentence with a big
> red marker.
> 
> > If they walked their talk, there would be no question what
> > they would do, would there? But to do so would involve 
> > actual integrity, so on this forum there's just no tellin'
> > what's going to happen.
> 
> You are spot on again. How could people have such a
> lack of discrimination? Especially those who talk
> about morals and integrity all the time, they have
> totally lost it with me. 
> 
> This is the example, the real live example of the 
> discriminative power of the pro TMers. It needs you to
> point this out to them. In both cases they support the
> enlightenment delusions of people, in both cases, this
> is morally wrong to those people. It is a lack of
> integrity only supported by their sophistry.  All those,
> who supposedly spend the last 17 years to support the
> agenda of TM, with the aim to counterbalance any
> negative spin on it, they just put those 17 years into
> the trash-bin with this act.

OK, anytime you see "the last 17 years" used by Barry
or his allies in the description of otherwise anonymous
"those people" on FFL, it refers to me, or at the very
least includes me. Given zarzari's current anti-Judy
jihad, I think I'm safe in assuming what he says above
is primarily directed at me.

As I've pointed out several times now--including in
exchanges here with zarzari--I don't support anyone's
claims to enlightenment, nor do I contest them. I'm
not in a position to do that, nor, IMHO, is anyone
else on FFL.

So zarzari is knowingly misrepresenting me above.

Someone here, can't remember who, recently made the
point--and I've made it myself previously--that MMY
was explicit about there being no way to tell whether
someone was enlightened from their behavior.(*) It's
in the Gita as well. So I'm on solid TM ground in
refraining from pro or con comment on enlightenment
claims, contrary to what zarzari suggests above.

Moreover, on FFL we have a quite limited segment of
people's behavior available to us to observe: what
people write and post to FFL.

The notion that this segment of behavior could 
possibly provide us with conclusive evidence into
whether a claim of enlightenment is accurate or 
delusional is completely absurd. (We can't even be
sure, for that matter, that a claim *not* to be
enlightened is accurate.)

The behavior itself, of course, is fair game for
evaluation and criticism. But it should have nothing
to do with claims to enlightenment.

The question of who supports or doesn't support whom
against attack or lies or insults and why is a
different issue, and a fairly complicated one. I
haven't gone after Ravi for his attacks on Curtis
not because I support Ravi's claims to enlightenment
but for the sake of making a point to Curtis about
his own refusal to stand up for others against unfair
treatment, one he has studiously refrained from
getting so far.

And even though I haven't directly chastised Ravi,
I've made my position quite clear, having referred
several times to his preying-on-young-girls-and-
getting-thrown-out-of-the-TMO-for-it accusation of
Curtis as "offensive" and "obviously untrue." So
it's not possible even to haul out Marek's "adoptive
admission" principle and insinuate that I must agree
with Ravi's attacks.

I understand zarzari is furious with me for having
dared to criticize him for speculating about Robin's
mental health; ever since zarzari resubscribed, he's
been attacking me practically nonstop, by name or in
the pseudo-anonymous manner he uses above.

But if he wishes to be seen as the voice of fairness
and objectivity on FFL, he'd damn well better get
his act together and stop putting words and ideas in
my mouth that he knows don't belong there.

-

*To the extent that MMY made assertions about the
behavior of enlightened people--speaking the "sweet
truth" and such--he contradicted himself. I assume
he did so in an effort to encourage his students to
behave in the manner he described. This might make
for an interesting discussion if we could get off
the stupid dime here of charges and countercharges.

[FairfieldLife] Re: A study of FFL ecosystem

[Ravi Chivukula]

Yet I'm here for the last 2 days, utterly human, utterly vulnerable, in
deep pain, sadness, crying for the last 2 days and these clusters of
perverts, clusters of retards, clusters of hypocrites can't touch me -
can't touch the love of this mad, obsessed sufi, lover, the mad genius
of this incredibly blessed Telugu Brahmin.
Pity, pity, pity..

Only the Individuals"R"Us could touch me, could comfort me with their
love, concern.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Chivukula"
 wrote:
>
> Apologies to certain posters, for not adding them.>
> Perverts"R"Us - Curtis, Barry, Uncle Vaj
>> Hypocrites"R"Us - Raunchydog, Buck, feste37, duveyoung aka Edg,
> marekravis, zarzari_786
>> Retards"R"Us - seventhray1 aka Steve aka PBHR, Susan aka wayback71
aka
> Ms. Waybackward, shukra69 aka TM TB aka retarded psychologists Stephen
> Anderson
>> Individuals"R"Us - Judy, Jim, Rory, Denise, Obba, Bob, Robin
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Chivukula"
> chivukula.ravi@ wrote:
> >
> > Hi,>
> > I'm excited to announce an exciting new research article that's in
the
> > works from Dr. Ravi Chivukula, Psy. D, UCLA.>
> > His ground breaking research looks at the categories of various
fauna
> > and flora in the FFL ecosystem.>
> > Here are some snippets.>
> > The major categories of FFL ecosystem according to Dr. Chivukula is
as
> > follows>
> > 1) Perverts"R"Us - denoted by posters such as Curtis, Barry.
> Associated
> > with cults,  intricate, avoid predators and survive by their well
> > developed complex new belief systems constructed to avoid their
> > perversion, deception
> >> 2) Hypocrites"R"Us - posters such as feste37, raunchydog, Buck, the
> cold
> > heartless Xeno, who avoid predators and survive by their well
> developed
> > belief systems to avoid looking at their pain, their hypocrisy>
> > 3) Retards"R"Us - posters such as Steve, Susanwayback71, who avoid
> > predators and survive by their pea sized intellect that can easily
> avoid
> > confronting their fears, insecurities, anxities.
> >> 4) Individuals"R"Us - these are the posters that don't rely on
> anyone,
> > have no known predators, have healthy respect for other Individuals,
> use
> > clear intellect, heart, intuition - your Rory's, Jim's, Judy's,
> Robin's,
> > Bob's, Denise's, Obba's.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: A study of FFL ecosystem

[seventhray1]

Good news!  Tomorrow you get to go back to work. Maybe some of that
loneliness will be assuaged.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Chivukula"
 wrote:
>
> Yet I'm here for the last 2 days, utterly human, utterly vulnerable,
in
> deep pain, sadness, crying for the last 2 days and these clusters of
> perverts, clusters of retards, clusters of hypocrites can't touch me -
> can't touch the love of this mad, obsessed sufi, lover, the mad genius
> of this incredibly blessed Telugu Brahmin.
> Pity, pity, pity..
>
> Only the Individuals"R"Us could touch me, could comfort me with their
> love, concern.
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Chivukula"
> chivukula.ravi@ wrote:
> >
> > Apologies to certain posters, for not adding them.>
> > Perverts"R"Us - Curtis, Barry, Uncle Vaj
> >> Hypocrites"R"Us - Raunchydog, Buck, feste37, duveyoung aka Edg,
> > marekravis, zarzari_786
> >> Retards"R"Us - seventhray1 aka Steve aka PBHR, Susan aka wayback71
> aka
> > Ms. Waybackward, shukra69 aka TM TB aka retarded psychologists
Stephen
> > Anderson
> >> Individuals"R"Us - Judy, Jim, Rory, Denise, Obba, Bob, Robin
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Chivukula"
> > chivukula.ravi@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,>
> > > I'm excited to announce an exciting new research article that's in
> the
> > > works from Dr. Ravi Chivukula, Psy. D, UCLA.>
> > > His ground breaking research looks at the categories of various
> fauna
> > > and flora in the FFL ecosystem.>
> > > Here are some snippets.>
> > > The major categories of FFL ecosystem according to Dr. Chivukula
is
> as
> > > follows>
> > > 1) Perverts"R"Us - denoted by posters such as Curtis, Barry.
> > Associated
> > > with cults,  intricate, avoid predators and survive by their well
> > > developed complex new belief systems constructed to avoid their
> > > perversion, deception
> > >> 2) Hypocrites"R"Us - posters such as feste37, raunchydog, Buck,
the
> > cold
> > > heartless Xeno, who avoid predators and survive by their well
> > developed
> > > belief systems to avoid looking at their pain, their hypocrisy>
> > > 3) Retards"R"Us - posters such as Steve, Susanwayback71, who avoid
> > > predators and survive by their pea sized intellect that can easily
> > avoid
> > > confronting their fears, insecurities, anxities.
> > >> 4) Individuals"R"Us - these are the posters that don't rely on
> > anyone,
> > > have no known predators, have healthy respect for other
Individuals,
> > use
> > > clear intellect, heart, intuition - your Rory's, Jim's, Judy's,
> > Robin's,
> > > Bob's, Denise's, Obba's.
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: A study of FFL ecosystem

[Ravi Chivukula]

Yes. I hate to have to pretend to be normal every time I'm there. Not to
mention I have to focus because I have to use my stupid intellect, inane
logic and calculations - I hate it but I have no choice.
Luckily I take enough smoke/coffee breaks and a long lunch to recharge
my craziness.
Thanks Steve.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" 
wrote:
>
> Good news!  Tomorrow you get to go back to work. Maybe some of that
> loneliness will be assuaged.
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Chivukula"
> chivukula.ravi@ wrote:
> >
> > Yet I'm here for the last 2 days, utterly human, utterly vulnerable,
> in
> > deep pain, sadness, crying for the last 2 days and these clusters of
> > perverts, clusters of retards, clusters of hypocrites can't touch me
-
> > can't touch the love of this mad, obsessed sufi, lover, the mad
genius
> > of this incredibly blessed Telugu Brahmin.
> > Pity, pity, pity..
> >
> > Only the Individuals"R"Us could touch me, could comfort me with
their
> > love, concern.
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Chivukula"
> > chivukula.ravi@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Apologies to certain posters, for not adding them.>
> > > Perverts"R"Us - Curtis, Barry, Uncle Vaj
> > >> Hypocrites"R"Us - Raunchydog, Buck, feste37, duveyoung aka Edg,
> > > marekravis, zarzari_786
> > >> Retards"R"Us - seventhray1 aka Steve aka PBHR, Susan aka
wayback71
> > aka
> > > Ms. Waybackward, shukra69 aka TM TB aka retarded psychologists
> Stephen
> > > Anderson
> > >> Individuals"R"Us - Judy, Jim, Rory, Denise, Obba, Bob, Robin
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Chivukula"
> > > chivukula.ravi@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi,>
> > > > I'm excited to announce an exciting new research article that's
in
> > the
> > > > works from Dr. Ravi Chivukula, Psy. D, UCLA.>
> > > > His ground breaking research looks at the categories of various
> > fauna
> > > > and flora in the FFL ecosystem.>
> > > > Here are some snippets.>
> > > > The major categories of FFL ecosystem according to Dr. Chivukula
> is
> > as
> > > > follows>
> > > > 1) Perverts"R"Us - denoted by posters such as Curtis, Barry.
> > > Associated
> > > > with cults,  intricate, avoid predators and survive by their
well
> > > > developed complex new belief systems constructed to avoid their
> > > > perversion, deception
> > > >> 2) Hypocrites"R"Us - posters such as feste37, raunchydog, Buck,
> the
> > > cold
> > > > heartless Xeno, who avoid predators and survive by their well
> > > developed
> > > > belief systems to avoid looking at their pain, their hypocrisy>
> > > > 3) Retards"R"Us - posters such as Steve, Susanwayback71, who
avoid
> > > > predators and survive by their pea sized intellect that can
easily
> > > avoid
> > > > confronting their fears, insecurities, anxities.
> > > >> 4) Individuals"R"Us - these are the posters that don't rely on
> > > anyone,
> > > > have no known predators, have healthy respect for other
> Individuals,
> > > use
> > > > clear intellect, heart, intuition - your Rory's, Jim's, Judy's,
> > > Robin's,
> > > > Bob's, Denise's, Obba's.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>