from:"anonymousff"



Bob, of course there are urinals; I should have explained
the context better, This yogi I was chatting with mentioned
the squatting practice to improve cleansing and brahmacharia.
personally I do think it's ridicules however I do not doubt
his sincerity.

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wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  on 4/21/05 10:18 AM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  
   
   
Someone told me once that men tend to sit down to pee in
 India.
   Is it true, anyone?
   
   there are some benefits to seating down ...
  
  It improves your aim. You can't miss.
 
 
 There are definitely urinals in India, so I'm dubious about the 
squat 
 to pee claim about men in that country
 
 http://www.tribuneindia.com/2005/20050114/science.htm#2
 
 http://urinal.net/bazaar_delhi/





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Stand up or seat down




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m2smart4u2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  
   Someone told me once that men tend to sit down to pee in 
India.
  Is it true, anyone?
  
  there are some benefits to seating down ...
  
  ;]
 I was told it is the vedic way, plus there is a direction you 
should face during the elimination process.

oh direction is everything and you can't afford being distracted in 
the process :0


 You see we ladies have been right  all along, put that toilet seat 
down! 
LOL

 :}





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[FairfieldLife] Re: This Pope Dont Rock... (JP2.1)



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
snip
 they don't consider Jesus Christ as  the son of God and even non-
 Catholics would find it difficult to get  salvation as they don't 
 consider the Pope as their  head,
 
 
 
 So what's new here? Hasn't the Christian religion whether  Catholic 
or  Protestant always said that Christianity is the only way to gain  
salvation?

 No man shall come to the Father except through the Son. 

on subtler level it means no one can get to the head chakra without 
first going thru the heart chakra or as in kabbalah no one can get to 
keter (top sphira) without going thru the lowers ones. 

You either  believe it or  you don't. 

another option is to use selective discrimination.

If you look at just about all religions you'll find  they have their 
 exclusionary clauses as well.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: This Pope Dont Rock... (JP2.1)



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
 In a message dated 4/21/05 7:13:41 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  No  man shall come to the Father except through the Son. 
 
 on subtler level  it means no one can get to the head chakra 
without 
 first going thru the  heart chakra or as in kabbalah no one can get 
to 
 keter (top sphira)  without going thru the lowers ones. 
 
 You either  believe it  or  you don't. 
 
 another option is to use selective  discrimination.
 
 If you look at just about all religions you'll  find  they have 
their 
  exclusionary clauses as  well.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 we can have all kinds of options to consider. But I thought we  
were talking 
 about Christianity, The Religion.

yes we are, you don't think that Christianity have subtler levels
or that it can be open to interpretations?

TMO is not a religion. do you see them open minded?
  





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Samyama won't lead to CC - Siddhi prg



Patanjali believed them be fully working.
also if they are useless why Purusha spent so much time
practicing them?

we also have historic evidence that above normal powers are
achievable.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Setting aside the texts for a moment, what are 
 peoples' experiences with the TM-Siddhi 
 program? It seems whacky to debate a text, 
 however learned, when we have such a large 
 cohort of people who've practiced the techniques 
 for decades. I'm thinking we could evaluate them 
 for ourselves, based on our own knowledge.
 
 For myself, I can't confess to any powers from 
 the siddhis, other than the hopping stuff, but 
 they do seem to do just what I was told they'd 
 do: solidify the presence of silent consciousness.
 
 What are other people getting?
 
  - Patrick Gillam
 
  On Apr 20, 2005, at 8:18 AM, wayback71 wrote:
  
   What do the Shankaracharyas say?  Who is
   Vidyaranya?
  
  Vaj wrote:
 
  Vidyaranya was one of the most eminent Shankaracharyas. He was 
the 12th 
  jagadguru of the Sringiri seat. His text on the attainment of 
Cosmic 
  Consciousness is still the standard among yogis today. That's why 
is it 
  so significant on what he says of the siddhis and samyama--if you 
are 
  interested in enlightenment that is.
  
   Is it possible that the siddhis are really about making the 
relative, 
   subjective aspect of the
   individual a better, kinder and more skilled human being  - so 
that 
   when they do reach
   CC, they aren't a nasty, unpleasant, unkind Enlightened person?
  
  Vaj wrote:
 
  Vidyaranya would disagree. You would more likely become either 
  egocentric or a collector of subtle experiences. These 
experiences 
  would come and go and not lead to a permanent state of higher 
  consciousness.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Samyama won't lead to CC; was Real Advaita, Pseudo-Advaita



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 
 My experiences are like yours: nothing in terms of powers.  
sometimes energy up the 
 spine during hopping 

That's the kundalini energy.

and usually a feeling of inner silence, quiet and of being cleansed 
 after the whole thing.  Mostly profound silence.  Like I feel after 
doing an hour and a half 
 of yoga, only the siddhis feel less physical.
 
 I think we have to distinguish between the dangers of feeling good 
from a spiritiual 
 practice, and the dangers of feeling good from other life 
experiences. Also, Is feeling good 
 dangerous becauseyou get attached?  Or is it a lure toward joy, 
from which it is might be 
 easier to make the leap to pure consciousness?  Does n't joy chagne 
the physiology so that 
 the leap is easier?
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  Setting aside the texts for a moment, what are 
  peoples' experiences with the TM-Siddhi 
  program? It seems whacky to debate a text, 
  however learned, when we have such a large 
  cohort of people who've practiced the techniques 
  for decades. I'm thinking we could evaluate them 
  for ourselves, based on our own knowledge.
  
  For myself, I can't confess to any powers from 
  the siddhis, other than the hopping stuff, but 
  they do seem to do just what I was told they'd 
  do: solidify the presence of silent consciousness.
  
  What are other people getting?
  
   - Patrick Gillam
  
   On Apr 20, 2005, at 8:18 AM, wayback71 wrote:
   
What do the Shankaracharyas say?  Who is
Vidyaranya?
   
   Vaj wrote:
  
   Vidyaranya was one of the most eminent Shankaracharyas. He was 
the 12th 
   jagadguru of the Sringiri seat. His text on the attainment of 
Cosmic 
   Consciousness is still the standard among yogis today. That's 
why is it 
   so significant on what he says of the siddhis and samyama--if 
you are 
   interested in enlightenment that is.
   
Is it possible that the siddhis are really about making the 
relative, 
subjective aspect of the
individual a better, kinder and more skilled human being  - 
so that 
when they do reach
CC, they aren't a nasty, unpleasant, unkind Enlightened 
person?
   
   Vaj wrote:
  
   Vidyaranya would disagree. You would more likely become either 
   egocentric or a collector of subtle experiences. These 
experiences 
   would come and go and not lead to a permanent state of higher 
   consciousness.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Samyama won't lead to CC; was Real Advaita, Pseudo-Advaita



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 On Apr 20, 2005, at 8:51 AM, Patrick Gillam wrote:
 
 
  Setting aside the texts for a moment, what are
  peoples' experiences with the TM-Siddhi
  program? It seems whacky to debate a text,
  however learned, when we have such a large
  cohort of people who've practiced the techniques
  for decades. I'm thinking we could evaluate them
  for ourselves, based on our own knowledge.
 
 In my experience of the siddhis they are subtle and sometime 
 not-so-subtle experiences which have an outward manifestation--that 
is; 
 they are subtle INWARD experiences which you oddly notice reflected 
in 
 the OUTER. The problem is from my perspective, is they are 
experiences 
 and therefore represent a duality. You would absolutely have to 
remain 
 in a state of total equipoise and not be distracted from a unified 
 state in other words for them to be of value. Otherwise you end up 
 creating attachment and powerful karma at the subtle level.

Vaj, the problem that you stated is not really a problem
from a non dual state is it...
this problem is merely from the dual POV.  You can't have
them both , sorry :)





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Real Advaita, Pseudo-Advaita, -- bliss vs C



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen 
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The experience of bliss  has nothing to do 
with consciousness. Bliss is the
 outward movement of consciousness into the relative.

plz read what you write b4 posting it, you said nothing to do
w consciousness and then u say 'movement of consciousness'. 

 Bliss is a trap that can suck the mind into samsara
 forever. 

are you sure ?

Cosmic heroin.
 -Peterananda-ji
 
 





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Stupid and less stupid bliss



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson 
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 If you can appreciate only bliss and you think you are already 
 perfect and the problems you perceive are outside, the outcome can be 
 something like MMY and TMO. It seems to represent a conglomerate of 
 people, who have a lot of dysfunctions, the perception of which they 

Actualy the TMO/MMY are ok and doing well, it's their followers
that are fu$ked.

( it's not the main point of your post which is right on.
)






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Samyama won't lead to CC; was Real Advaita, Pseudo-Advaita

2005-04-19 Thread anonymousff



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 On Apr 19, 2005, at 6:49 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
 
  Would you mind posting a few key verses for us?
 
 Sure, but it'll help to explain what going on. In the third chapter 
 Vidyaranya talks about the means to Cosmic Consciousness and this 
is by 
 Dissolution of the Mind. The previous chapter is on how to 
obliterate 
 the vasanas and ignorance. Without going into a lot of detail--he 
 describes various methods to get the mind to stop. He talks of the 
 importance svadhayaya and right knowledge. Eventually he starts 
 interspersing his method with Patanjali--but like many initiated 
 approaches to tantric or yogic texts--the linear, written order of 
the 
 text is not how it really goes. In his typical style, he quotes 
from 
 all the relevant Vedantic and yogic texts interspersed with his own 
 clarifications.
 
 Eventually, as he weaves his way to the end of chapter two of 
 Patanjali--he goes into chapter 3--the pada on the siddhis. He 
mentions 
 the first three verses--which describe samadhi--and he deliberately 
 skips verse 4 on samyama (he does mention samyama in the final 
chapter, 
 but only as a warning). He then talks about the real goals, use and 
 purpose of samadhi then comments:
 
 Although Patanjali has dwelt upon at length samprajnata and 
savikalpa 
 samadhis have their objects as material objects, gross elements and 
 subtle elements, sense and egoism--we do not like to pay attention 
to 
 them inasmuch as they being the cause of siddhis such as 
invisibility, 
 etc. as they are opposed to the type of samadhi that leads to 
 liberation.
 
 He gives an interesting quote from the Laghu Yogavasistha:
 
 Vasistha: 'Through the power of some substance, formula, some sort 
of 
 practice, time, etc. one can, O Raghava, acquire such occult powers 
as 
 levitation, etc. although still in bondage and ignorant of the Self.
 
 This object is not for him, who is knower of the Self, for he, the 
 knower of the Self, has in view only the Self. He is content by 
himself 
 and in himself and does not go after these products of ignorance.
 
 After a couple more interesting examples he adds:
 
 'Any of the things of the world whatever cannot attract the knower 
of 
 Reality, even as the townsman, having as wife a town-bred lady of 
 refinement, is not enamored by the ugly rustic womenfolk.'
 
 He later concludes:
 
 As the samprajnata samadhi, concerned with the Self leads to the 
 destruction of desire and brings about the nirodha samadhi, 
therefore 
 we have paid attention to this.
 
 It's interesting that while he does quote from pada three of 
 Patanjali--not one of the quotes is any of the siddhi formulae--he 
 entirely skips them. He later warns you will never attain CC if you 
 practice samyama:
 
 In this way he (the samyama yogi) falls away from the attainment of 
the 
 goal of life (CC).
 
 Then he repeats Patanjali for a second time:
 
 These are obstacles to samadhi; they are powers in the worldly 
state.

it sounds that he comes from a dualistic POV not less then Patanjali.

 
 He continues with even more warnings.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: The 10 Helpers...!!!

2005-04-18 Thread anonymousff



I'm for the Daily Inspiration to stay,  I don't always read the 
message but always look at the lovely pictures. love them.

Would love if Bert add some inspirations to have FFL members go and  
do some physical exercise and leave the f$cking comp behind.
like posters of yoga, tai ji,  ji cong etc.

got to go , hop hop hop  :)



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 
 I agree with you. The Bhikku thing seems very fragmented, not much 
 there. On the other hand the Daily Inspriration is nice.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Jim
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Want me to unsubscribe this Bhikku thing? I never read it. In 
 fact, it goes
  into my spam folder automatically. Probably because they send it 
 to multiple
  groups. Anyone in favor of keeping it? I like and read the Daily 
 Inspiration
  and the folks who publish it are friends of mine, but Cliff 
 objected to it
  and if the majority were to object, I would unsubscribe that too. 
 I vote to
  nix Bhikku and keep Daily Inspiration. Others opinions?
 





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Statues etc. (was I taught my daughter to meditate)



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 On Apr 17, 2005, at 10:35 AM, Sal Sunshine wrote:
 
  Sure. The charged statues will usually cost about 3X as much.
 
 If you don't know how to do it yourself, a Hindu priest will do it 
for 
 a couple of bucks.

Is there any way to uncharge them so that they can be safely used as 
household decorations?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  
 I agree with what you stated, it is very important. As for my 
  understanding to just follow my instincts per se could lead to 
  walking astray,  maya could be powerful if one only uses
  his own instincts. that's the nature of the beast, maya, 
illusions,
 
 You know this sounds an awful lot like the false prophet deal the 
 Fundamentalists often use.

What these Fundamentalists say , use ?

  How do you defend against this.  Anyone, 
 teaching, or branch that you don't agree with can conveniently be 
 labeled false
 

Some can be False some can't be determined as False or True and
some can be considered true. But more important some can be gray,
including teachings that are false and other that are true in the 
same system.
That is my point exactly all along.


 I admit spiritual growth is a dicey proposition, full of prat 
falls, 
 and wrong turns.  But that mettle must be tested in one way or 
 another. 
 
 
  I sincerely am happy to know that it's working well for you
 
 I take growth wherever I can find it, and it seems lately I find it 
 in the faces and simple gestures of people I observe in dailey 
 living.
 
 lurk
  
   
 
   
  





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[FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 
  The danger is that along the way one starts to lose the purity 
side
  of the teaching and just stays with the rituals, hence losing the 
  purity of the knowledge.
  Brahman, G-D, infinity has no shape or form and rituals are just 
  golden cage of samsara at the best case.
 
 Absolutely true that seeing or appreciating yagyas and rituals as 
 outside the Self will tend (at best) to be an expression of god-
 consciousness, not Brahman. 

god-consciousness ? how so?
I think rituals are 95% empty. 
 

(Not true that in themselves they will 
 bar one from Brahman, which cannot be obtained or lost, only 
 Understood or ignored; god-consciousness -- like any other state -- 
is 
 no real barrier to Brahman; only attachment to it is.) 
 
 Like these yagyas, seeing MMY, Guru Dev, and the purity of the 
 teaching as outside the Self will also (at best) tend to be an 
 expression of god-consciousness, not Brahman, and (if you like) 
tend 
 to reinforce the golden cage of samsara. (Though again, there is 
no 
 golden cage of samsara, per se -- only a habit or belief that there 
 is.) No one out there can really give us Brahman; it can 
 (probably) only be surrendered into/conquered by a tiny/colossal 
step 
 of egolessness/Egomania, denying the illusion of the self-other 
 dilemma and embracing/accepting the Whole -- what IS.
 
  I think our friend need to check where his focus and attention 
goes.
 
 Yes, perhaps we all do, and one could perhaps make a case that 
without 
 at least some attention on and somatose appreciation of the 
 celestial qualities of the Other, it would appear highly unlikely 
 that one would ever consider the Other worth unifying with or 
 embracing. A Brahman without the Heart is a pretty 
poor Brahman! 
 :-)
 
 The beauty of focus and attention is it gives us precisely what we 
 need at any point in our Life -- whether it be the sweetly powerful 
 electromagnetic soma-flows of god-consciousness, or the 
Understanding 
 that all is Self in the perfection of what IS, or both 
simultaneously, 
 or neither, or even the lovely embrace of deepest, blackest 
 Sleep...it's all good, all just a matter of focus and attention.
 
 With that in mind, I would like to apologize to Akasha for denying 
 what I perceived as his golden appreciation of Peter in K.C. 
While 
 perhaps true in the deepest sense that this perception was a 
 projection -- so what? At least it is celestial, glorious -- and so 
if 
 Akasha were not to deny that perception but rather to take credit 
 for it, embrace it All -- then in what way is god-consciousness a 
 barrier to Brahman? Perhaps rather it is the single missing piece 
of 
 the puzzle (if indeed there ever could be such)!
 
 Jai Guru Dev in each of Us

Very well said, ty.

Jai Guru Dev







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[FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 on 4/17/05 8:42 AM, Peter Sutphen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  Anon, I have no intentention of twisting your words.
  You admonish someone for doing something that has
  nothing to do with you all under the heading of
  purity of the teaching. This seed is the start of
  spiritual fascism. If idol worship, as you call
  this, bothers you, then you should not do it.
  Admonishing Ben with scenerios of what could happen is
  ridiculous. What could happen hasn't happened, what
  has happened is nothing! Purity of the teaching rests
  in consciousness, not in outward behaviors.
  -Peter 
 
 I don't know how long this anon has been around, but those of us 
who have
 been around here for a while have come to know Ben as someone who is
 exceptionally knowledgeable about pujas and the like, and who 
spares no
 trouble or expense to make sure they are performed properly. The 
TMO, the
 official protectors of the purity of the teaching, would probably 
do well
 to follow his example.

He might as well be, I didn't see this thread so much 
about Ben per se.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Statues etc. (was I taught my daughter to meditate)



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 on 4/17/05 12:25 PM, Sal Sunshine at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Must be the same reason MMY asks everyone to turn over their $$ 
to the TMO as
  well--too much potential harm to the ignorant masses. :)
  
  Sal 
  
 There¹s some truth to that. In the Science of Being, MMY says that 
the bad
 karma of having earned money through life-damaging means can be 
cleaned up
 by giving the money, or a good portion of it, to a spiritual 
endeavor. Must
 be why Brad Jacobs was giving a lot of his money to the TMO when he 
was
 shipping toxic waste to poor African countries.
 
 On that note, see Hotel Rwanda if you haven¹t yet. I saw it last 
night. It¹s
 out on DVD/tape now.
   
  
  On Apr 17, 2005, at 11:50 AM, Rick Archer wrote:
  
   At the Vedic Studies Conference in New Delhi in 1980 or so, 
someone bought a
   nice, expensive Shiva Linga and showed it to Maharishi. 
Maharishi told the
   guy to give to him, saying that it could be harmful for him to 
own it if he
   didn't take care of it properly.


yup, that's what I consider them for : TOYS.
;)





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[FairfieldLife] THE INFLUENCE OF MEDITATION VS. REST ON PHYSIOLOGICAL AROUSAL




[this was forward to me today and I thought it might be of interest]

Over the past 20 years there has been widespread interest in the use 
of meditation, with the most publicized and popular technique being 
TM (Maharishi Mahesh Yogi 1963). It appears that many persons use 
meditation to reduce physiological arousal, and because of its 
purported effects on arousal, meditation is used to treat numerous 
disorders which stem from or involve hyperarousal. For example, 
meditation has been used to treat hypertension (Benson and Wallace 
1972a; Benson et al. 1973; Blackwell et al. 1975; Michaels et al. 
1976; Simon et al. 1977), asthma (Wilson et al. 1975), inflammation 
of the gums (Klemons 1977); drug abuse (Benson and Wallace 1972b; 
Shafii et al. 1974), alcohol abuse (Shafii et al. 1975), insomnia 
(Miskiman 1977a, b), stuttering (McIntyre et al. 1974), and a variety 
of psychiatric disorders (Bloomfield et al. 1975; Glucck and Stroebel 
1975). Furthermore, meditation has been suggested as an alternative 
to progressive muscle relaxation training (Boudreau 1972).

Because of the potential importance of meditation as a technique for 
reducing physiological arousal, in 1983 three of my students and I 
conducted a simple experiment in which we compared the arousal-
reducing effects of meditation and rest (Holmes et al. 1983). In that 
experiment, 10 experienced meditators and 10 other persons who had no 
experience with meditation came to my laboratory for individual 
appointments on each of 4 days. Each subject was first asked simply 
to sit quietly for 5 minutes. Meditators were then asked to meditate 
for 20 minutes, whereas non-meditators were asked to rest for 20 
minutes. Following the meditation/relaxation period, all of the 
subjects were again asked to simply sit quietly for another 5-minute 
period. The results of that experiment were very striking: meditation 
and rest resulted in decreases in arousal, but, contrary to what is 
generally expected, meditation did not result in greater reductions 
in arousal than did the rest. In considering these results it is 
important to recognize that the meditators were highly trained 
(certified teachers of TM and/or trained in the Sidhi type), and thus 
the findings could not be attributed to lack of skill on the part of 
the meditators. These findings raised serious questions about the 
effects and value of meditation.

As it turned out, we were not the first investigators to compare 
directly the effectiveness of meditation and rest for reducing 
physiological arousal. In fact, an initial examination of the 
literature revealed a variety  of similar experiments, and those 
experiments failed to provide any reliable evidence that meditation 
was more effective than simply resting for reducing physiological 
arousal! I was intrigued by the sharp contrast between the widely 
held view of the effects of meditation and the fact that there was a 
substantial body of evidence that meditation was not more effective 
than rest for reducing physiological arousal. An examination of the 
research that was cited by the advocates of meditation quickly 
revealed the basis for the widely held but apparently erroneous 
conclusion concerning the effects of meditation on arousal. The 
findings cited by the proponents of meditation were based on 
uncontrolled investigations in which the investigators simply 
compared the arousal levels of subjects before they meditated with 
their arousal levels during meditation. They found (as did I and my 
colleagues) that arousal decreased when the subjects began 
meditating. The problem with those investigations is that they did 
not include a condition in which nonmeditators simply rested, and 
therefore the investigators could not determine whether meditation 
was more effective than rest. It is of interest to know that 
meditation reduces arousal, but it is of more interest and importance 
to know whether meditation is more effective than simple rest for 
reducing arousal. Indeed, it is meditation's alleged incremental 
value that is its raison d'être.

Comments and Conclusions

A number of comments should be made concerning the results of the 
experiments in which the levels of arousal of meditating subjects 
were compared with the levels of arousal of resting subjects. 
Firstly, from Table 5.1 and the accompanying discussion, it is clear 
that across experiments there is not a measure of arousal on which 
the meditating subjects were consistently found to have reliably 
lower arousal than resting subjects. Indeed, the most consistent 
finding was that there were not reliable differences between 
meditating and resting subjects. Furthermore, there appear to be 
about as many instances in which the meditating subjects showed 
reliably higher arousal as there are instances in which they showed 
reliably lower arousal than their resting counterparts.

Secondly, it is clear that within any one experiment there is no 
consistent

[FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 on 4/17/05 8:35 PM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  god-consciousness ? how so?
  I think rituals are 95% empty.
 
 Depends on who's doing them, don't you think?

Since Einstein, Relativity I very much think so, but
limited to the observer; the influences is in the
same way a placebo would influence one.

(re try)








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Statues etc. (was I taught my daughter to meditate)



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 on 4/17/05 9:05 PM, shanti2218411 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  
  While we're on the topic, one of the things Ammachi does, besides
  give you
  one of her mantras if you want, is re-charge your TM mantra.
  
  Rick,How does she re-chargeyour mantra.Kevin
 
 On Devi Bhava night, while she's giving out mantras, instead of 
getting one
 from her, you tell her your TM mantra and she says it back to you. 
Some find
 that the shakti in that situation is off the charts.

Rick,
I didn't know that mantra could be re-charged, is Amachi
re-charging the mantra or the participant with shakti regardless.
Do you know if TMO also doing this type of re-charging?
could you elaborate on the mechanics of it.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 
 Anyway, this is a great event benjamincollins! To be able to bring 
 another soul along the speedy path to enlightenment is a blessed 
 event IMO.
 

I'm not so sure I'm sharing anyone's enlightenment just yet, nor
benjamincollins nor his daughters, the opposite might have a 
valid case here.

By bringing all these idols into his house it looks to me
that benjamin collins is going astray from the pure path.

There is no need to adopt any Hindu idol-worshipping-rituals;
the opposite is truth. Guru Dev and MMY stated that the pure 
knowledge is lost and what left are only empty rituals.
It could be the case that our friend is doing both
the pure practice and rituals at the same time, however the 'path' 
don't state worshipping Guru Dev nor any image of him or 
Ganesha idol etc as necessary.
The danger is that along the way one starts to lose the purity side
of the teaching and just stays with the rituals, hence losing the 
purity of the knowledge.
Brahman, G-D, infinity has no shape or form and rituals are just 
golden cage of samsara at the best case.

I think our friend need to check where his focus and attention goes.

respectfully.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Steiner and Waldorf education (was Question for Patrick)




http://www.waldorfcritics.org/







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[FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story



 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 
 snip
  
 By bringing all these idols into his house it looks to me
  that benjamin collins is going astray from the pure path.
 
 snip
  
  There is no need to adopt any Hindu idol-worshipping-rituals;
  the opposite is truth. Guru Dev and MMY stated that the pure 
  knowledge is lost and what left are only empty rituals.
 
 snip
 
 I think our friend need to check where his focus and attention goes.
 
 Anon,  I guess you are qualified to be the final arbitor on such 
 matters. 

I'm not an arbitor , but if I see something that could be of danger
to a friend I would like to say it !

 Of course we are in no position to make any judgements on 
 your frame of reference since no one knows who you are. 

you missing the point, it's not about judgement it's
about saying what it is,  my reference is the 
pure knowledge as I perceived it , I can only
write from my own state as you can do the same. so if you
have something of content to contribute please do.


 But, there 
 is no uncertainty that you feel the opinion rendered is the final 
 word regarding spiritual development.
 

I already related to that, see above.

 lurk
 





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[FairfieldLife] Re: I taught my daughter to meditate- a short story



 lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 
 snip
 
  But, there 
   is no uncertainty that you feel the opinion rendered is the 
final 
   word regarding spiritual development.
   
  
  I already related to that, see above.
  
   lurk
 
 Okay,  I can handle difference of opinions.  For me, my experience, 
 spiritual growth has come from following my instincts.  My mantra 
has 
 been, stay honest with myself 

I agree with what you stated, it is very important. As for my 
understanding to just follow my instincts per se could lead to 
walking astray,  maya could be powerful if one only uses
his own instincts. that's the nature of the beast, maya, illusions, 
at least until one has gained a solid high spiritual state and 
understanding, knowledge.
I believe that staying focus and be aware by sharing experiences ,
thoughts,  knowledge with people (Guru, holy scripts etc) that walked 
the same road is important.

If a spiritual student start to wonder around from here to there, 
doing x and y and then decides to go back to  z etc  it can take them 
of their goal, path so to speak.
Again that's my experience and understanding and I also can handle
difference of opinions :)

and take responsibility for my 
 actions.  Yes, I have fallen away from the TM path in the way we 
used 
 to practice it.  This has worked for me, I feel.  Hope you are 
 satisfied with your progress.  


I do practice TM-Sidhis. From knowledge point of view 
in addition I also use other philosophy system.

Sincerely I do.  We need every person 
 available to turn this tide.

we sure do, thank you.

I sincerely am happy to know that it's working well for you.

 
 lurk
 
 





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[FairfieldLife] Re: I love this group

2005-04-15 Thread anonymousff



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rudra_joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 You guys are the best. Best Wishes. Thanks for inviting me back Rick.

our gain and pleasure Joe.
As usual Rick did a smart move.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: View

2005-04-14 Thread anonymousff



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 On Apr 14, 2005, at 11:06 AM, rudra_joe wrote:
 
  In Dzogchen it's called  view because one meditates with open eyes 
and 
  looks to the bottom of the mind at the absolute. With the eyes.
 

you probably mean with self referral consciousness rather then the 
physical eyes..



 
 View = darshana or drsti = lta ba





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation for kids

2005-04-14 Thread anonymousff



Bob wrote:

 The ancient text Srimad Devi Bhagavatam (this is not the more well-
known/popular Srimad Bhagavatam) lists the TM mantras, but then 
cautions that one should not start this powerful meditation casually, 
but get a qualified teacher, or else the results will not be good.

http://www.21stbooks.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?


 the link seems to be broken. Do you have name of the book?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Yoga-suutra of the day?

2005-04-14 Thread anonymousff



english please or translation.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 
 II 41
 
 sattva-shuddhi-saumanasyaikaagryendriya(yikes!)
 -jayaatma-darshana-yogyatvaani ca
 
 Without sandhi:
 
 sattva-shuddhi-saumanasya; ekaagrya; indriya-jaya; 
 aatma-darshana; yogyatvaani; ca





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation for kids




well 2500$ is over my budget for this, so I'm looking elsewhere;
but thanks for the info.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 on 4/13/05 9:20 AM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  hi,
  I have a 8 y.o boy that I believe meditation should be a benefit for
  him. If anyone has experience or information with what type of
  meditation is appropriate for a western kid at that age and would 
like
  to share his/hers ideas it would be appreciated.
 
 There's a TM children's technique, if you can get a renegade TM 
teacher to
 teach it to him. Otherwise it's $2500.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation for kids



I have no idea what Vajrayana or HHDL is but I'll look it up.
you rock!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rudra_joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 Best thing, take them to high power Vajrayana teachings with HHDL, 
HH Penor Rinpoche, and so on and let them take the highest tantric 
empowerments as seeds for liberation.
   - Original Message - 
   From: anonymousff 
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
   Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 12:21 PM
   Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation for kids
 
 
 
 
   well 2500$ is over my budget for this, so I'm looking elsewhere;
   but thanks for the info.
 
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
on 4/13/05 9:20 AM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 
 hi,
 I have a 8 y.o boy that I believe meditation should be a 
benefit for
 him. If anyone has experience or information with what type of
 meditation is appropriate for a western kid at that age and 
would 
   like
 to share his/hers ideas it would be appreciated.

There's a TM children's technique, if you can get a renegade TM 
   teacher to
teach it to him. Otherwise it's $2500.
 
 
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation for kids



remember we are talking about bright and happy 8 y.o. and I 
don't want to mess his mind with non-dualism and such or too abstract
ideas, just wish for him a practice to have him feel his inner 
spiritual core
that is beauty and joy beyond the relative ups and downs.
also to empower his ability to focus and concentrate on a task
without being distracted etc.  I hope you get my grip..

Thank y'all






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation for kids



We live in New Jersey, I know a TM teacher in NY I was planning
to contact, I'll see if he can come with a figure that is close
to the market value.
I wonder when they will be at the malls if they will adjust the 
prices.
hmm

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 on 4/13/05 12:29 PM, rudra_joe at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  There's plenty of renegade TM teachers. Rick can prolly refer you 
to some.
  Don't give up hope for TM.
   
 If he can tell us where he is (wouldn¹t need to tell us who he is) 
perhaps
 someone on this list in that area could speak up. Or they could 
contact each
 other on the side or through me.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation for kids




North Jersey.  [EMAIL PROTECTED], you can forward him if appropriate. 
Thanks.

later..

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 on 4/13/05 12:50 PM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  We live in New Jersey, I know a TM teacher in NY I was planning
  to contact, I'll see if he can come with a figure that is close
  to the market value.
  I wonder when they will be at the malls if they will adjust the
  prices.
 
 Wayback, on this list, lives in NJ, and might be willing to teach him 
the TM
 children's technique. North or south Jersey?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: My Dinner with Dr. Mahapatra

2005-04-12 Thread anonymousff



1. How one who is U.C can not be realistic?
2. On what basis one who has fragmented reality decide if something 
is realistic?
3. Where is my darn coffee?


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rudra_joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 The obvious conclusion is that MMY is a dreamer, but not very 
realiztic.
   - Original Message - 
   From: Vaj 
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
   Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 6:32 AM
   Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] My Dinner with Dr. Mahapatra
 
 
   Let me get this right:
 
   MMY is a diabetic (very treatable by Ayurveda BTW) with coronary 
artery 
   disease, status post myocardial infarction, and a very paranoid 
   megalomaniac after world power who steals money from the dying 
and 
   dead? Oh yeah he also uses western medicine while telling others 
to 
   avoid it.
 
   Now, please correct me if I am wrong here, I thought enlightened 
   physiology meant perfect health? Isn't CAD a stress related 
disease? 
   Repeated studies independent of the TMO has shown that a radical 
   vegetarian diet and meditation, properly done, reverses CAD. 
What's 
   wrong with this picture?
 
   What's the obvious conclusion here?
 
 
   On Apr 11, 2005, at 11:36 PM, anonymousff wrote:
 
   
Written by a friend of mine about a year ago after he had 
dinner with
Dr. Mahapatra
   

   
He says he was M's personal physician from about 87 to 91. His 
English
was a bit hard to understand so I'll do my best to relay some 
of the
interesting things he said.
   
After 91, (I'm not sure of exact dates) M had him as one of the 
people
in charge of a group of 6000 boys (M calls them pundits...). At 
some
point M's family told M that they didn't like what was going on 
with
the big group (I don't have any details) and M dismantled the 
whole
thing sending all the boys home to all the families 
consternation.
Maha Patra was in the dog house after that, which sounded like 
about
95 or 96. He said it was very uncomfortable dealing with all 
the boys
families during that time.
   
Patra said in 87 he was called to M's side in Noida, India and 
M was
rolling on the ground, screaming with the pain. He had 
pancreitis
(sorry for spelling). Patra put him on a pain killer and a 
sedative. M
eventually went to England for 6 months or so for treatment for 
this.
M is diabetic and his family has a history of diabetes. I 
wonder if
his high sugar intake had anything to do with it? When in 
England
everything was kept very secret. When some reporters heard he 
was at a
particular hotel, they would rapidly disappear to another 
location.
During that time M had his heart attack. I didn't get much of 
the
details. M didn't have heart surgery but he did have 
angeoplasty at a
hospital in Holland. M used western drugs and western hospitals 
while
promoting Ayurveda as the be all and end all. M has good days 
and bad
days and has variety of health problems. He stays out of view 
on the
bad days.
   
Patra says M is a megamaniac after world power, (we're all 
surprised).
He says the only ones M trusts are his family members, who he 
gives
untold millions to. M thinks all Americans are CIA and is really
paranoid. M asked him if he could test the blood of M's 
relatives to
see if someone was trying to poison them. He says M's family 
members
are not all good people or ethical people and that they have 
undue
influence on M's decisions. He had not heard any stories of M 
with 
women.
   
Patra said he spoke with Deepak, his friend, who told him that 
all the
problems started one time when Deepak had to leave M and M 
wanted him
to not go. Deepak told M that he had speaking engagements for
thousands of people all set up and he had to go. M said he 
heard that
Deepak was promoting Deepak and not M. Deepak said he always 
promoted
M. M continued to be more negative and suspicious and things 
broke
down from there. Patra says when anyone gets too popular in the
movement or has too much of a following M cans them.
   
Patra said when they had the clinic for the very seriously ill 
at
Noida that M would promise them all healing. With severe cases 
the
Vaijyas would tell M that they could only do so much. Patra was
trained as an Oncologist and saw people he knew would die. M 
would
promise them healing, then they would die. M would send out his 
people
to collect the huge bills from the bereaved families after the 
people
had died. He said he found that very upsetting.
   
Patra said when he first started seeing M, M wanted him to work 
for
the movement. He told Patra to not go back to hospitals 
anymore. Patra
was about to get married and go into practice, but because of 
what M
said he didn't. M told him the movement would support him and 
have a
bank account he could draw on. He

[FairfieldLife] Re: My Dinner with Dr. Mahapatra

2005-04-12 Thread anonymousff



nah, they were just realistics.

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 overwhelming 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: New Book: Stripping The Gurus

2005-04-11 Thread anonymousff



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 Crappy research.

Why?
What would you add or remove?

 
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[FairfieldLife] My Dinner with Dr. Mahapatra

2005-04-11 Thread anonymousff



Written by a friend of mine about a year ago after he had dinner with
Dr. Mahapatra



He says he was M's personal physician from about 87 to 91. His English
was a bit hard to understand so I'll do my best to relay some of the
interesting things he said.

After 91, (I'm not sure of exact dates) M had him as one of the people
in charge of a group of 6000 boys (M calls them pundits...). At some
point M's family told M that they didn't like what was going on with
the big group (I don't have any details) and M dismantled the whole
thing sending all the boys home to all the families consternation.
Maha Patra was in the dog house after that, which sounded like about
95 or 96. He said it was very uncomfortable dealing with all the boys
families during that time.

Patra said in 87 he was called to M's side in Noida, India and M was
rolling on the ground, screaming with the pain. He had pancreitis
(sorry for spelling). Patra put him on a pain killer and a sedative. M
eventually went to England for 6 months or so for treatment for this.
M is diabetic and his family has a history of diabetes. I wonder if
his high sugar intake had anything to do with it? When in England
everything was kept very secret. When some reporters heard he was at a
particular hotel, they would rapidly disappear to another location.
During that time M had his heart attack. I didn't get much of the
details. M didn't have heart surgery but he did have angeoplasty at a
hospital in Holland. M used western drugs and western hospitals while
promoting Ayurveda as the be all and end all. M has good days and bad
days and has variety of health problems. He stays out of view on the
bad days.

Patra says M is a megamaniac after world power, (we're all surprised).
He says the only ones M trusts are his family members, who he gives
untold millions to. M thinks all Americans are CIA and is really
paranoid. M asked him if he could test the blood of M's relatives to
see if someone was trying to poison them. He says M's family members
are not all good people or ethical people and that they have undue
influence on M's decisions. He had not heard any stories of M with women.

Patra said he spoke with Deepak, his friend, who told him that all the
problems started one time when Deepak had to leave M and M wanted him
to not go. Deepak told M that he had speaking engagements for
thousands of people all set up and he had to go. M said he heard that
Deepak was promoting Deepak and not M. Deepak said he always promoted
M. M continued to be more negative and suspicious and things broke
down from there. Patra says when anyone gets too popular in the
movement or has too much of a following M cans them.

Patra said when they had the clinic for the very seriously ill at
Noida that M would promise them all healing. With severe cases the
Vaijyas would tell M that they could only do so much. Patra was
trained as an Oncologist and saw people he knew would die. M would
promise them healing, then they would die. M would send out his people
to collect the huge bills from the bereaved families after the people
had died. He said he found that very upsetting.

Patra said when he first started seeing M, M wanted him to work for
the movement. He told Patra to not go back to hospitals anymore. Patra
was about to get married and go into practice, but because of what M
said he didn't. M told him the movement would support him and have a
bank account he could draw on. He was to have 2 cooks an 2
secretaries. None of that materialized and he was given no money. Now
he is in the US, can't pass the medical exams which he could have
passed many years ago, and he is taking business courses. He does
yagyas full time for Ralph Taylor, and has a group of 60 boys in India
doing yagyas for Ralph.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: OK, here's the poop /www q.

2005-04-10 Thread anonymousff




Bob,
I'm always amazed with your searching the web skills to find 
related websites and articles to various topics.

If you and others don't mind sharing some of their tips or point me
to an article about the topic. I have interest/need to do my searching
more effectively.

Do you just google or using some more advanced tools
or technique in your searching?

ty.


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wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Emailed to me on the side:
  
  Got a long voicemail from someone on the course.
  
  
  Anyhoo...Turns out the whole thrust of this
  'recertification' seems to be marketing.
  Within the next 2-3 months there will be 500
  storefronts in malls.   Each one will have all the
  MAPI and movement products, a largescreen TV with the
  M channel, a children's corner, a spa, a TM center.
  There's more I can't remember.
  He wanted to know the 5 high end malls in the area.
  They will hire 4 people working in each store plus a
  manager.  A man and woman from the course will be
  supervising.  AND GET THIS.  MAHARISHI WILL BE PAYING
  FOR EVERYTHING.
 
 **
 
 If the TMO is looking for high-end malls, that means they're not
 going to do the cheap strip mall option, and they're going to pay
 through the nose, like $36/sq.ft (plus maybe another $10/sq.ft. for
 security, utilities, taxes, etc. --
 http://www.icsc.org/srch/sct/sct1103/ ):
 
 http://retailtrafficmag.com/mag/retail_bad_news_retailers/
 
 In addition, renters at malls usually have to pay a percentage of
 sales, something I doubt the TMO is going to be happy about:
 
 http://retailtrafficmag.com/mag/retail_hot_topic_long/
 
 In order to have a spa with separate facilities for men and women,
 plus a MAPI store, plus a TM center, it sounds like you would need
 about 2000 sq. ft. -- at $36/sq.ft. plus taxes etc, that's about
 $7500/month. Plus two TM teachers at $4K/month each, one manager at
 $5K/month, and 4 other employees at $3K/month, plus payroll taxes.
 Total for rent and salaries: about $40K/month (plus whatever the 
mall
 owners collect as percentage of TM store sales).
 
 Income from MAPI products sales could not amount to much -- many of
 the items are so overpriced (like honey at $50/lb.) or of little
 interest to the general public, so these sales won't amount to much,
 and if meditators start to shop for their MAPI products at these 
mall
 stores, it would be merely cannibalizing sales from the MAPI.com web
 site.
 
 The mall store will have to rely on the income from the spa and from
 TM instruction, shooting for one spa treatment a day at $645/day
 (taking this figure from The Raj's price list:
 http://www.theraj.com/rajoffers/panchakarma.html ). But the Raj has
 always lost money, even in a town with 2000 meditators, many of whom
 are rich and can afford these pricey treatments. And, outside of
 Fairfield, there are many other spas, even competing Ayurveda spas,
 that offer similar treatments, often at lower prices, and usually in
 more attractive surroundings than a tiny room in a mall.
 
 Initiating one person every day into TM every three days at $2500, 
in
 addition to the one per day for the spa treatment, would bring in
 enough money to break even ($645 x 30= $19350 plus $2500 x 10=
 $25000, for a total of $44350/month), and a handful of these mall
 stores may be able to meet these goals, which have to see a daily 
spa
 treatment and one initiation every 3 days indefinitely to stay
 solvent.
 
 But when you multiply the 500 proposed stores by these numbers for
 spa treatments and initiations, it amounts to 15,000 people a month
 in the USA seeking TM spa treatments -- a very unlikely figure -- 
and
 5,000 people a month starting TM, a figure which has not been
 remotely approached since the wave of initiations in the 70s after
 the Merv Griffin shows (when 50,000/month were learning TM). And I
 don't see any reason why a different weighting of needed numbers --
 more initiations into TM and fewer spa treatments, or vice versa --
 could come up with a formula that could work for these mall stores,
 since there is just not much happening for the TM movement either in
 terms of people learning TM or buying Maharishi Ayurveda treatment.
 
 Even if MMY is planning on doing something spectacular, miraculous, 
 to interest people in TM, these mall stores won't work with large 
 crowds. You would want a warehouse or stadium to teach large numbers
 of people if somebody did actually levitate and end up on the 
evening 
 news. I just don't see any scenario playing out that would justify 
 this mall store plan.
 
 Somebody from Vedic City should call in a consultant from Booz 
Allen 
 Hamilton or some other top consulting firm and bounce these ideas 
off 
 somebody reasonable before they commit to long-term leases (which 
 would probably be required since the spa would require extensive
 modification to the

[FairfieldLife] Re: re: recertifcation course

2005-04-10 Thread anonymousff



Definition of Mercury quincunx Pluto:
(SolarFire)

You are too involved in the drama of other people's lives
to follow through on your own plans.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Vedic Experience

2005-04-09 Thread anonymousff



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 http://home.earthlink.net/~vaj1/The%20Vedic%20Experience.pdf.zip
 
 
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 The Sun is bound by the sound of the Sun
 And the Moon by the Sound of the Moon.
 He who knows this can can capture the three worlds
 in an instant. - shiva-svarodaya

 Holy cow, this is really great





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Shiva Sutras

2005-04-08 Thread anonymousff



How you implement and use these Sutras? do you use the Sidhis 
technique for each sutra?

Thanks

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 Dear Fairfield Lifers,
 
 Here is a copy of the Shiva Sutras that I just came across, trans-
 lated by Maharishi's honored friend, Swami Lakshman-Joo.  It offers
 some more interesting commentaries on questions that have been
 raised on this list.
 
 Be aware that his language differs from the 7-states language that
 we're familiar with.  For example, he calls the 4th state (Turiya
 or Transcendental Consciousness) 'God Consciousness', a title we
 reserve for the 6th state.  He seems to call the 6th state 'Tran-
 scendental God Consciousness'.
 
 Remember these are sutras - shorthand hints at much deeper, richer
 knowledge - and can resonate with that deep Truth if you read them
 in a settled, open state.
 
 
 
 Shiva Sutras
 Translated by Lakshman Joo
 
 
 First Awakening
 
 1. Universal Consciousness is one's own nature.
 
 2. Knowing the individual consciousness as one's own nature and not 
knowing
 the Universal Consciousness as one's own nature is bondage.
 
 3. Differentiated perception and the field of individual activities 
are also
 bondage.
 
 [Editor's note: #2  #3 seem to refer to rishi, devatta, and 
chhandas in
 their non-samhita, differentiated, individual state.]
 
 4. This threefold bondage is attributable to and commanded by the 
Universal
 Mother while She remains unknown. Hence the field of ignorance 
comes into ex-
 istence through Her and not through any other agency.
 
 5. To get rid of this triple bondage, such effort constitutes (the) 
means,
 which is identical with Bhairava [Lord Shiva].
 
 6. With deep contemplation on the wheel of energies, the whole 
differen-
 tiated universe comes to an end.
 
 [Editor: Transcendental Consciousness.]
 
 7. Such a yogi, who has accomplished this stage, experiences Turiya 
(Transcen-
 dental God Consciousness) in the other three states also - jagrat 
(wakeful-
 ness), swapna (dream) and sushupti (deep sleep).
 
 [Editor: Cosmic Consciousness.]
 
 8. Common knowledge (arising out of differentiation) constitutes 
jagrat (wake-
 fulness).
 
 9. Individual differentiated knowledge in the recess of one's own 
mind is
 swapna (dream).
 
 10. Loss of discrimination in the field of unawareness is sushupti 
(deep
 sleep).
 
 11. The one who has digested (assimilated) all these three states 
in God Con-
 sciousness (Turiya) is the Lord of heroes.
 
 [Editor: Cosmic Consciousness.]
 
 12. The yogic powers here (in the state of Being) comprises 
indescribable as-
 tonishment (wonder).
 
 [Editor: practice of the siddhis.]
 
 13. For such a yogi, any desire is identical with the Supreme 
Energy (Parvati)
 of Lord Shiva and hence his desire cannot be checked by any power.
 
 [Editor: ultimate/end of the siddhis - omnipotence.]
 
 14. For such a yogi, even the body becomes an extraneous object, or 
the total-
 ity of extraneous objects is (constitutes) his own universal body.
 
 [Editor: God Consciousness.]
 
 15. By establishing one's mind in the heart - the Universal 
Consciousness -
 the whole world of perception appears as one's own nature.
 
 [Editor: Unity Consciousness.]
 
 16. Or, by establishing uninterrupted awareness of pure supreme 
Nature, the
 energy of Shiva is experienced.
 
 17. For such a realized soul, any ordinary thought becomes the 
means of real-
 izing one's own Self.
 
 [Editor: The growth of Brahman.  See last sukta of Rig Veda - By 
virtue of
 unitedness, and by means of that which remains to be united, I 
perform action
 to generate Wholeness of life.]
 
 18. His being in the ecstatic state of samadhi bestows bliss and 
happiness to
 the whole humanity or the totality of enjoyment in the universe 
constitutes
 (or comprises) his ecstatic state of samadhi.
 
 [Editor: Brahman.]
 
 19. By putting one's mind on universal energy, any body, internal 
or external,
 is formed by his mere will. (Such power is attainable by him in the 
two other
 states also - dream and deep sleep).
 
 20. Such a yogi is capable of:
 
  a. helping humanity unbounded by space and time,
  b. casting off his body for specified time periods,
  c. manifesting his body at various places simultaneously by 
remaining in
 God Consciousness.
 
 21. When such a yogi abstains from such powers, he attains lordship 
over the
 wheel of universal energies through the rise of pure knowledge.
 
 22. [The great lake (of space-time) is experienced through the 
power of
 mantra.]
 
 [Editor: The number '22' appears, but it's followed by a blank 
space in
 the printed copy of Lakshman-Joo's translation.  These words are 
from
 another translator.]
 
 
 Second Awakening
 
 1. Here the mind of a yogi becomes mantra.
 
 2. The cause of attaining this mantra is one's own effort.
 
 3. The state of totality of knowledge is the secret of mantra.
 
 4. When a yogi's mind remains

[FairfieldLife] The Truth Is!

2005-04-06 Thread anonymousff



It's amazing to see people pay $5800.00 plus room and board so they 
can BE what they already are! :-) ROFLOL

Actually, it's all about getting money to pay for the completion of 
the pundit project. They ran out of money because there are no 
pundits. People have stopped their donations because it was 
contingent on pundits. And the bank won't give them anymore money, 
because the bank money was contingent on the donations of the people 
who thought there would be pundits this time.

So what to do? What to do? Let's un-governorize all the governors 
and then hold a course and charge them thousands of dollars to make 
them governors again. The course fees will give us the money to 
complete the pundit project. MUM staff and faculty will be task 
forced to do all the work for essentially no additional expense. 
We'll tell everyone that this special wave of new knowledge will 
bring in Sat Yuga by July 21. This will make everyone guilty if they 
don't drop everything and come right away. Then we'll tell everyone 
that this is a once in a lifetime opportunity, they don't want to 
miss it. It may never come again. They will all rush here.

After the course everyone will be all blissed and happy that they got 
in on it and are governors again. Oh wait excuse me--CERTIFIED 
GOVERNORS with the certificate to prove it. And some will be Raja 
Designates that  were able to sit in the front row, near the real 
Rajas, during the course. Like that, like that.

And even though we said the pundit project was completed months ago, 
when we put out that fake brochure with the doctored photos. NOW we 
will actually have a completed pundit project -- WELL, except for the 
pundit part. We'll have some extra cash on hand, and a completed 
housing facility ready for Purusha and/or Mother Divine when they are 
evicted from North Carolina. It will all work out very beautifully, 
and very beautifully, and very beautifully! No one will be the wiser, 
he he he! A little lighter in the wallet perhaps, but OBVIOUSLY no 
one has gotten any WISER!

Creative Intelligence in action! Infinite Organizing Power! It's all 
s beautiful!

ENGAGING TOTAL NATURAL LAW -- 
   TO FOOL ALL OF THE PEOPLE, ALL OF THE TIME!






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[FairfieldLife] full-time teacher of TM

2005-04-06 Thread anonymousff



 

Once you complete the certification training, are you guaranteed to have
a working position which pays the promised salary?

anyone knows if there is a catch to it and where?  :)





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Guru Dev, TM The TMO

2005-04-05 Thread anonymousff




Bob, you can on mentioning TM as what is sound as the best technique
on earth or very close to it. Correct me if I'm wrong.
surely you know that are other technique that preceded TM and MMY
that also use meditation at their basis.
Would you humour me and clear why do you see TM technique as the last
and ultimate resort, 'saving the world' teaching while all others 
long timers technique
and teaching have been here long ago. Still the world progress and 
regress on it's
own pace and not even TM going to change that...?



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wrote:

 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  'The initiation took place in front of a picture of Guru Dev and I
  was told that I should consider neither my initiator nor Maharishi
  Mahesh Yogi as my spiritual teacher but the Guru Dev himself.' -
  Dinesh Khare [from his introduction to 'Strange Facts About A 
Great
  Saint' - a biography of His Divinity Swami Brahmanand Saraswati
  Maharaj]
  
 
 MMY has always said all glory to Guru Dev, and has disallowed 
pujas 
 by TM teachers to himself, so this is not exactly news that you are 
 presenting. Guru Dev came out of the woods only to find a suitably 
 receptive student, who spoke the international language, English, 
and 
 who had a Western education, in Physics, who could bring the 
benefits 
 of bliss consciousness that he found living in a cave to 
householders 
 around the world who are unable to follow that rigorous lifestyle. 
 The real motive behind your opposition to MMY is a resistance on 
your 
 part to spiritual growth, a resistance to the light introduced by 
TM, 
 a resistance that expresses itself in your opposition to MMY, whose 
 total surrender to the Divine personality of Guru Dev has made him 
an 
 extension of that personality: 
 
 http://geocities.com/bbrigante/spiritual.html#dev
 
  Like many others I have been uncomfortable about many of the
  initiatives undertaken in recent years by the TMO and about 
certain
  of the recent announcements made by MMY. Furthermore, Of late I 
have
  been pressed to question my views of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi whose
  biography I wrote some ten years ago. Gradually I am coming to
  realise that he now seems to speak an entirely different 
language, a
  language I cannot respect, a voice against democracy. 
 
 Democracy is clearly not a sustainable form of government, but a 
 temporary expedient engendered by the a low level of consciousness 
on 
 earth, so that the evil rulers who reflect that low level of 
 consciousness are rejected by the people, who embrace democracy as 
an 
 attempt to avoid abuse. Although it is pointless for MMY to decry 
 democracy, in my opinion (because it is group consciousness that 
 determines what the govt is), it is also absolutely true that 
 democracy is cruel, inefficient, and is on its way out when world 
 consciousness rises and good and capable people are available to 
run 
 govts. MMY is not unaware of the wild character of current 
 dictators and kings:
 
 http://geocities.com/bbrigante/updates.html#memo
 
 Thus I review
  the criticisms of his peer group and of his detractors, wondering 
if
  there might be any substance to their rants.
  
 
 The fact that some people in India (who are enemies of MMY out of 
 jealousy and pettiness) may have certain titles does not mean that 
 they are peers -- they would be peers if they were of the same 
 level of consciousness as Guru Dev, but they are not, which is why, 
 out of their ignorance, they attack the plans to enlighten the 
world 
 that enjoy the favor of Guru Dev.
 
  When I pose such questions on TM newsgroups I am confronted by 
self-
  elected representatives twisting my words and twisting my motives.
  One thing I have learned from this experience is that I have been
  naieve in the extreme to think that TMers are either more more 
 likely
  to be more honest or more reasonable than non-meditators. But Guru
  Dev was clear that one should tolerate the intoleration of others.
 
 So people who object to your horseshit are self-elected, but you, 
 who devotes considerable ink to vilifying MMY, are beyond 
criticism? 
 You are a real gem, pal -- which of course does, in a way, prove 
your 
 thesis that meditators are neither more honest or reasonable than 
non-
 meditators.
 
 The real reason why little difference (to date) is found between 
the 
 behavior of meditators and non-meditators is that the early 
adopters 
 of TM have been disproportionately crackpot, which is just the 
nature 
 of early adopters of anything. When TM spreads to a wider portion 
of 
 the population, it will be clear that expanded awareness generated 
by 
 TM is useful for the growth of a useful personality.
 
 Bob





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Reminded of April 4th deadline




 
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 wrote:
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 
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  wrote:
   
 I was just thinking about tomorrow. Technically I can't teach 
my own
   children the Trancendental Meditation Program unless I do it 
today, or
   go on the upcomming 'Recertification Course'. Does anyone else 
find
   this as bizarre as I do? 
   
   JohnY
  
  
  
  In message 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/46962 
  the Atlanta Raja says that:
  
  Currently it appears that there will not be another course 
exactly 
  like the 15 day and 30 day courses starting April 4.
  
  The fact that the Vedic City course is the only one that's going 
to 
  happen, and it's not full, should be a tipoff that the enthusiasm 
for 
  this recert program is muted, and unlikely to have a very long 
shelf 
  life because of its implausibility and unworkability, 
logistically and 
  financially.
 
   I know that it will fall apart, Bob. It's just seems to be one 
final
  stab at what was the heart of the TMO (couched in flowery 
politically
 correct language, of course).  
 
 PS. I wonder if Deepak and Punditji are planning on going ?
 
 JohnY


Johny  Bob,

I'm surprised by your negativity towards the rectification course,
you would probably call it 'being realistic' or such.
but know one thing , if MMY had that pattern of thinking towards
world enlightenment then he would have stayed the woods to begin with.

cheer up







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[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife



 
 Nope. I'm not. No more than my dog.

But, with enough yoga practice, you'll be able to lick your own balls.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Reminded of April 4th deadline



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 On Apr 3, 2005, at 11:06 AM, anonymousff wrote:
 
  if MMY had that pattern of thinking towards
  world enlightenment then he would have stayed the woods to begin 
with.
 
 Ain't no money in the woods.

or chicks willing to put out





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Reminded of April 4th deadline



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 on 4/3/05 8:33 AM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

snip

 Many of these 550 people may have given up
 jobs, sold houses, etc. to become full time, thinking that they would 
 be able to support themselves

You know that to be so or it's a speculation?

on $4,000 a month. If that ends of fizzling out,
 a big chuck of the remaining core may end up disillusioned.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Reminded of April 4th deadline



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  On Apr 3, 2005, at 11:06 AM, anonymousff wrote:
  
   if MMY had that pattern of thinking towards
   world enlightenment then he would have stayed the woods to begin 
 with.
  
  Ain't no money in the woods.
 
 or chicks willing to put out

Gee, you guys are nuts to you think that MMY had been doing all this 
for money, chicks or other worldly pleasures you might come up with.
 
There are much easier ways to get the above and with just a fraction of 
MMY's energy and creativity he could have gotten the same or more 
without all the hassle of the TMO.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Collapse



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 Again, there's no 'they' except as a rhetorical implement. Maybe a 
study shows something like a blip, but it's not enough to charge a 
battery. From personal experience though I can say that TM works on me 
one way and my Vajrayana practices work in other parts of the brain. 

would you elaborate in couple of sentences the differences
in the mechanics of how TM vs. Vajrayana works.?







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Reminded of April 4th deadline



I'll present 2 options, feel free to chose:
a. If you have used Vedic match you would have come with better #s.
Your thinking is too linear, the solution comes from a higher 
dimension.

b. The whole cert program is just for PR purpose and more importantly
to check the world consciousness. 550 proves still work needs to be 
done.


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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 SNIP 
 
  Johny  Bob,
  
  I'm surprised by your negativity towards the rectification course,
  you would probably call it 'being realistic' or such.
  but know one thing , if MMY had that pattern of thinking towards
  world enlightenment then he would have stayed the woods to begin 
 with.
  
  cheer up
 
 **
 
 The recert program will fail, without question, as has almost every 
 effort undertaken by the TMO, because of poor planning and failure 
to 
 consult with level-headed consultants outside of the TM movement as 
a 
 reality check.
 
 I am in favor of things that work for the TM movement, and the 
recert 
 program will not. Why? Because the price of instruction in the USA 
is 
 too high at $2500/pop, and it makes far more sense to have part-
time 
 teachers when the initiation rate is low like now, because the 
 teachers are not an economic drain on the TMO. Also, you get much 
 better coverage of the country with many part-time teachers than a 
 relative handful of full-timers in big cities (apparently only 
about 
 550 teachers have signed up for the recert program).
 
 By saying that only a few full-time teachers can teach TM, and 
 guaranteeing (temporarily) a salary of $4K/month, the TMO is 
 committing itself to an expenditure of $2.2 mil/month (assuming 550 
 full-time teachers). The TMO is not publishing current initiation 
 rates, but I suspect it is no more than 200/month in the USA ; in 
 order to pay the salaries of 550 full-time teachers, 880 
initiations 
 per month would be necessary, and that does not include the many 
 other costs of running the TM movement. The TMO has recently sold 
 several properties, which may have brought in ~$30 mil (only one 
sale 
 price was disclosed) 
 http://geocities.com/bbrigante/updates.html#sales , but the burn 
rate 
 of having full-time teachers in addition to the expenses associated 
 with the building plans etc of the TMO means that the money will be 
 gone in less than a year (and possibly there is no money available 
at 
 all if the TMO is spending $40mil on the 40-day 100,000 pundit 
 project in India that is being talked about), and all those people 
 who quit their jobs to be full-time teachers will be back to being 
 part-timers and looking for a job when the TMO pulls the plug on 
the 
 salary.
 
 At one hour and 30 minutes into the 23Mar2005 press conference at 
 mou.org, Maharishi says that it may take centuries for the pundits 
to 
 restore Vedic civilization in India. With the flawed policy making 
of 
 the TMO, I think that's a real likely figure unless Maharishi gets 
 some more practical advisers (and as I have noted, these people 
have 
 to come from outside the culty environment of the TMO crackpot mgmt 
 crew):
 
 http://streaming.mou.org/MOU/Mar/wnews_23mar2005prt1_128
 
 Bob Brigante
 http://geocities.com/bbrigante/updates.html





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[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

2005-04-02 Thread anonymousff



Awakening is intensely personal and experiential. People like Bob and 
Vaj who argue over the dogma of awakening only show that awakening 
is neither personal nor experiential for them.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 
 Bob,
 You might be in pain since Vaj is destroying your illusions 
regarding
 TMO-TM-MMY. I believe you prefer your dream world to continue 
 uninterrupted :)
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Brigante 
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 wrote:
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
   On Apr 1, 2005, at 9:12 PM, Bob Brigante wrote:
   
The litmus test for CC remains witnessing sleep, the last
stop in stabilizing life of living one's unlimited awareness 
at 
 all
times, even during the torpor of sleep (or death of the body, 
 for 
  that
matter).
   
   I think if you check MMY's commentary on the Gita, you will 
find 
 that 
   he states this is a precursor of CC (as well as a feature of 
the 
   eventual state). Witnessing (despite being a lousy choice of 
 word) 
   can happen--and usually does happen before CC. Please don't 
go 
   telling people that they are in CC just because they are 
 witnessing, 
   because this is misleading in the extreme. Later TM literature 
 like 
  the 
   Journal of Vedic Studies reiterates this philosophy.
  
  **
  
  You know, I rarely bother with your posts, but, really, referring 
 me to 
  the Gita commentary without giving a specific reference (and 
there 
  isn't one that supports your point) goes beyond your usual lazy 
and 
  arrogant nonsense, so I'd like to congratulate you on setting a 
new 
  benchmark for buffoonery -- not easy to do on a list like this.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

2005-04-02 Thread anonymousff



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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
   
  
  Why do you bother leaving this group all in a huff when you always
  end up returning some time later? Is it dishonesty or are you weak
  and undisciplined?
 
 Yes I am weak and undisciplined? I like being like that. Do you 
have a 
 porblem with that because you are such a control freak ? I do what 
I 
 want.

right you are baby off_world,
 would you invite us to your 6 y.o. birthday party next year?

we all gonna seat around you and sing happy b.d.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

2005-04-02 Thread anonymousff



Try couching it in your own words instead of appealing to the
authority of books and I might stop presuming that you are not
speaking from the level of experience.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 On Apr 2, 2005, at 9:46 AM, anonymousff wrote:
 
  People like Bob and
  Vaj who argue over the dogma of awakening only show that awakening
  is neither personal nor experiential for them.
 
 Hi Anon:
 
 Pretty presumptuous to assume I wasn't speaking from my own 
experience 
 (or Bob for that matter). Perhaps I could try couching it in more 
 familiar TM language, but I have to speak from where I'm at.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Koran scholar: US will cease to exist in 2007



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 

now wouldn't it be great if the Muslims in US read this and leave the 
country.
 





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Koran scholar: US will cease to exist in 2007




you should tell it to the koran scholar. but hey Muslims 
(i'm not referring to you) will not critic other Muslims when they 
see their wrong doing.


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wrote:
 Shut up!
   - Original Message - 
   From: anonymousff 
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
   Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 8:29 AM
   Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Koran scholar: US will cease to 
exist in 2007
 
 
 
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 
   now wouldn't it be great if the Muslims in US read this and leave 
the 
   country.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 On Apr 1, 2005, at 3:42 PM, peterklutz wrote:
 

snip 
 -according to Mahesh, anyone in CC should be capable of performing 
all the siddhis, including hovering/flying.

wrong!
according to MMY witnessing dream/sleep states
should be the lakmus test.


 
 So far no takers.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife



Bob,
You might be in pain since Vaj is destroying your illusions regarding
TMO-TM-MMY. I believe you prefer your dream world to continue 
uninterrupted :)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  On Apr 1, 2005, at 9:12 PM, Bob Brigante wrote:
  
   The litmus test for CC remains witnessing sleep, the last
   stop in stabilizing life of living one's unlimited awareness at 
all
   times, even during the torpor of sleep (or death of the body, 
for 
 that
   matter).
  
  I think if you check MMY's commentary on the Gita, you will find 
that 
  he states this is a precursor of CC (as well as a feature of the 
  eventual state). Witnessing (despite being a lousy choice of 
word) 
  can happen--and usually does happen before CC. Please don't go 
  telling people that they are in CC just because they are 
witnessing, 
  because this is misleading in the extreme. Later TM literature 
like 
 the 
  Journal of Vedic Studies reiterates this philosophy.
 
 **
 
 You know, I rarely bother with your posts, but, really, referring 
me to 
 the Gita commentary without giving a specific reference (and there 
 isn't one that supports your point) goes beyond your usual lazy and 
 arrogant nonsense, so I'd like to congratulate you on setting a new 
 benchmark for buffoonery -- not easy to do on a list like this.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Attachment - detachment experience/view



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  
   
  Hi guys,
  I have been practicing TM for years but still have a strong 
attachments 
  to things, meaning things happens and I then realize that my 
reactions 
  could have been much better if I weren't so attach to the 
outcomes or
  less emotionally involved and such.
  
  of course these realizations comes after the events would settle 
down 
  one way or the other.
  I believe that attachment is a crucial barrier to enlightenment 
and
  I was wondering about your perspective on the issue.
  as for your progress on the issue , did the practice helped you 
and to 
  what degree or any other 'tips' that might help one to break or 
  dissolve attachments.
 
 Sure here is a mantra that will take care of it for you:
 
 Om Peter Klutz Namah

I like the Klutz part of it :)





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Attachment - detachment experience/view



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rudra_joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 Ah well, I thought about this again and reappraised the situation. 
I had ascribed my first witnessing to acid previously but now that I 
think about it I first witnessed the times I had nightmares out of 
the blue, and waking nightmares, and worse yet, upon my fathers 
death. I remember screaming, I hate you God over and over later and 
feeling so small. I remember looking at the beams in the ceiling and 
they were so far away. Now I could touch them. But it's like when a 
kid you couldn't reach the top of the fridge. As an adult I place 
what I feel all the way at the back. Perspective, relativity, magick, 
dzogchen. Now I realize that I witnessed way back when it was merely 
spontaneous, pretty much anytime I was thrust back upon myself. The 
watching of the dad's death was something else in misery just on par 
with everyone else in those tragidies. Acid bad trips really weren't 
nothing after that. But I've taken it so much then. Rather now 
reaching towards the back and witnessing Erykah Badu, now that's 
something. I think I'm gonna be the chef at a black jazz club in the 
ninth. Damn that would be cool. To be a hip jazz white cat in a room 
of beautiful black velvet. I can hardly wait. I just hope they got 
the pay. Cause I ain't cheap.


yes, I hear you man, resonantes well w my experiences.
I wish that it will work well for you.


   - Original Message - 
   From: Rick Archer 
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
   Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 11:00 AM
   Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Attachment - detachment 
experience/view
 
 
   on 3/29/05 9:21 AM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
Hi guys,
I have been practicing TM for years but still have a strong 
attachments
to things, meaning things happens and I then realize that my 
reactions
could have been much better if I weren't so attach to the 
outcomes or
less emotionally involved and such.

of course these realizations comes after the events would 
settle down
one way or the other.
I believe that attachment is a crucial barrier to enlightenment 
and
I was wondering about your perspective on the issue.
as for your progress on the issue , did the practice helped you 
and to
what degree or any other 'tips' that might help one to break or
dissolve attachments.

   I find Eckhart Tolle and Byron Katie helpful. Attachment and 
aversion are
   usually to something other than the way things are right now.
 
 
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Attachment - detachment experience/view



How one can be active in a state of detachment? What makes him
run if it wasn't for his desires? even a desire for enlightenment is 
still a desire.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  on 3/29/05 9:21 AM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   Hi guys,
   I have been practicing TM for years but still have a strong 
 attachments
   to things, meaning things happens and I then realize that my 
 reactions
   could have been much better if I weren't so attach to the 
 outcomes or
   less emotionally involved and such.
   
   of course these realizations comes after the events would 
settle 
 down
   one way or the other.
   I believe that attachment is a crucial barrier to enlightenment 
 and
   I was wondering about your perspective on the issue.
   as for your progress on the issue , did the practice helped you 
 and to
   what degree or any other 'tips' that might help one to break or
   dissolve attachments.
   
  I find Eckhart Tolle and Byron Katie helpful. Attachment and 
 aversion are
 
 I have his power of now that I need to get to and read.
 
  usually to something other than the way things are right now.
 
 Yoy are right, regarding an attachment to pleasure or success 
people 
 usually don't complain or see as an issue. :)





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Attachment - detachment experience/view



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 on 3/29/05 9:21 AM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
  Hi guys,
  I have been practicing TM for years but still have a strong 
attachments
  to things, meaning things happens and I then realize that my 
reactions
  could have been much better if I weren't so attach to the 
outcomes or
  less emotionally involved and such.
  
  of course these realizations comes after the events would settle 
down
  one way or the other.
  I believe that attachment is a crucial barrier to enlightenment 
and
  I was wondering about your perspective on the issue.
  as for your progress on the issue , did the practice helped you 
and to
  what degree or any other 'tips' that might help one to break or
  dissolve attachments.
  
 I find Eckhart Tolle and Byron Katie helpful. Attachment and 
aversion are

I have his power of now that I need to get to and read.

 usually to something other than the way things are right now.

Yoy are right, regarding an attachment to pleasure or success people 
usually don't complain or see as an issue. :)





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Attachment - detachment experience/view



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 on 3/29/05 9:21 AM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
  Hi guys,
  I have been practicing TM for years but still have a strong 
attachments
  to things, meaning things happens and I then realize that my 
reactions
  could have been much better if I weren't so attach to the 
outcomes or
  less emotionally involved and such.
  
  of course these realizations comes after the events would settle 
down
  one way or the other.
  I believe that attachment is a crucial barrier to enlightenment 
and
  I was wondering about your perspective on the issue.
  as for your progress on the issue , did the practice helped you 
and to
  what degree or any other 'tips' that might help one to break or
  dissolve attachments.
  
 I find Eckhart Tolle and Byron Katie helpful. Attachment and 
aversion are

I have his power of now that I need to get to and read.

 usually to something other than the way things are right now.

Yoy are right, regarding an attachment to pleasure or success people 
usually don't complain or see as an issue. :)





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Attachment - detachment experience/view



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 --- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  
   
  Hi guys,
  I have been practicing TM for years but still have a
  strong attachments 
  to things, meaning things happens and I then realize
  that my reactions 
  could have been much better if I weren't so attach
  to the outcomes or
  less emotionally involved and such.
  
  of course these realizations comes after the events
  would settle down 
  one way or the other.
  I believe that attachment is a crucial barrier to
  enlightenment and
  I was wondering about your perspective on the issue.
  as for your progress on the issue , did the practice
  helped you and to 
  what degree or any other 'tips' that might help one
  to break or 
  dissolve attachments.
 

Sorry for my late response, I was caught up w things.

 Do a full sadhana with asanas and pranyama everyday,
 twice a day. No excuses! Be a fanatic in this
 department. 

I'm working on it.

Be spontaneous. Don't try to break
 attachments; this itself just creates more
 attachments. Engage in seva or selfless service at
 least once a week for a couple of hours. 
Good idea.

Worship God
 in whatever form you want. Surrender your attachments,
 both good and bad, over to Him/Her. Eat sattvic food,
 get plenty of rest.

I usually sleep 4-5 hours a night and then 12 hours straight
every 4-5 days.

 -Peter
 

 





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[FairfieldLife] Re: 500 Vedic Scholars by Guru Purnimah

2005-03-29 Thread anonymousff



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 snip
  Does John consider
  what will happen if they raise the funds to complete
  the buildings and the pundits still don't get their
  visas? This very possible problem needs to be
  addressed. The potential to destroy any remaining
  goodwill is so great.
  -Peter
   
 big snip
 
 
 You gotta be kidding..? What goodwill? 
 
 On this site?!
 
 The greatest blow to the 'goodwill' found on FFL would be a smashing
 TMO-success a success that would ignite the smouldering whining and
 turn into a burning riot..
 
 'cause that would be truly intolerable...
 
 .. which is why cry-babies here shoot down airplanes that hasn't 
even
 been cleared for take-off yet.

The only whining crybaby here is you. Everyone else is having a calm, 
rational discussion of reality. Please grow up and stop projecting. 
If that's not possible, please consider switching to a forum for 
blinded, true believing cultists, free of critical thinking.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Death

2005-03-28 Thread anonymousff



Joe,
Even tough death is not the right word for it but rather
dropping the body or moving own whatever term we use
the pain and hurt is still there and it only brings little 
consolation.

The best thing, imo, is to find supporting friends 
or even professional good listener
and talk and talk about it  :) and talk and ...



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rudra_joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 Yesterday commemorated my father death. I was there at North 
Hollywood High Schoool jogging the track with him. Then we were 
climbing the fence to return home when he fell off. He died pretty 
quickly. To me, looking in his eyes he was just gone. And then in the 
coming weeks it felt like he had never been. He was erased from my 
mental sphere as far as presence.  I therefore have this one nagging 
doubt in my mind about all our hocus pocus called religious 
experience that if I could figure out I would have faith but without 
it which leaves me bereft of true hope in all man's concocted 
thought, and that doubt is this, will I die, and when I die will I 
die completely like it seems my father did. 
 
 ...(Of course his memory lives on in me and perhaps his genes. He 
was a chef/restauranteur and I had never figured I would do that when 
I was going to law school but when I flunked out it was the only 
thing to do.)...





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[FairfieldLife] 18 Things We Learned From the Schiavo case



1. Jeb Bush, George W. Bush, and Tom Delay are all world renowned 
neurologists.

2. 22 successive court battles that all ended in exactly the same way 
means there is something wrong with the courts, not the Schindler's 
case.

3. Michael Schiavo is after money which is why he turned down 1 
million dollars and 10 million dollars to sign over guardianship.

4. Congress and the State Legislature of Florida has nothing better 
to do than pry into the private medical affairs of others.

5. Pulling life support is bad in Florida when authorized by the 
legal next-of-kin, but pulling life support is good in Texas when you 
run out of money and the mother pleads not to pull the plug on her 
baby.

6. Medical diagnoses are best performed by watching highly editted 
videotape made by Randall Terry rather than in person by trained 
physicians.

7. Minimum wage making nursing assistants are more qualified to 
diagnose a persistant vegetative state than experienced neurologists.

8. Cerebral spinal fluid is a magical potion that can mimic the 
entire functions of a missing cerebral cortex.

9. 15 years in the same persistant state is not really enough time to 
make an accurate diagnosis.

10. A feeding tube that infuses yellow nutritional goop is not 
really life support.

11. Jesus was wrong when he said that a man and woman should leave 
their parents and cleave only to each other.

12. Marriage is the most sacred of all unions, except when it isn't.

13. Interfering in a family's private tragedy is a great reason to 
cut short a vacation, but getting a memo that warns a known terrorist 
is determined to strike inside the US is cause to relax and finish up 
some RR.

14. Pro-lifers are really compassionate people, which is why they are 
hoping that Michael Schiavo dies a horrible, painful death.

15. The Supreme Court of the United States and the State Supreme 
Court of Florida mean Maybe when they are saying No!.

16. Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia is a bleeding heart liberal.

17. 7 Supreme Court Justices were appointed by Republican Presidents, 
so it's obviously Clinton's fault.

18. A judge who makes rulings based on the law is obviously an 
atheist, liberal, democratic activist even though he is a 
Conservative, Republican, Southern Baptist.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Are we all sacked ?



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lupidus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 
 Just a question to you fellows.
  
 Since many of you are Initiators, and since most of you are not 
Rajas - 
 how do you react to the probable fact that all the rest of us who 
are 
 not going to be fulltime are in effect sacked ?
 
 I must admit that this is a very strange time after 35 years, the 
best 
 of my youth, all of my dedication, time and finance - suddenly to 
be 
 cut off. 
 
 How do you react ?
 

Hi Lupid,

not sure what you mean cut off. Is it emotional loss you experiencing
, financial loss or both?

is a law suit is considered?

 Sincerely yours, Lupidus





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[FairfieldLife] Re: [CTN-Jogues] Fwd: Guardianship Theresa Schiavo



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson ne
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wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
  In a message dated 3/27/05 11:31:18 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
  snip I just heard on the news that they are giving Terri 
Schiavo 
  morpohine. That is good, so be sure she doesn't  suffer.
  
  
  
  
  That must be where that euphoric state comes from when a  person
 starves to 
  death.
 + On the other hand, she probably wouldn't suffer if she wasn't
 starving.  N.

She stopped feeling anything 15 years ago when her cerebral cortex
died 
from lack of oxygen.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: [CTN-Jogues] Fwd: Guardianship Theresa Schiavo



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson ne
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
In a message dated 3/27/05 11:31:18 A.M. Central Standard 
Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

snip I just heard on the news that they are giving Terri 
  Schiavo 
morpohine. That is good, so be sure she doesn't  suffer.




That must be where that euphoric state comes from when a  
person
   starves to 
death.
   + On the other hand, she probably wouldn't suffer if she 
wasn't
   starving.  N.
  
  She stopped feeling anything 15 years ago when her cerebral cortex
  died 
  from lack of oxygen.
 +  Right, that is what you are supposed to believe-no problem.

If you weren't in denial and fantasyland you'd believe it too. 





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Question $2000?



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
 
 Full time teachers get paid a flat fee of 2,000.00 a month  whether 
you teach 
 nobody or 100 a month.


it looks similar to any company on Wall St. selling their shares by 
increasing the number of shares thus dilutes investor's capital.
dose it make sense?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: update: 550 have said yes to teach TM



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, George DeForest 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Raja Domain Four: Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, 
 Georgia, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Tennessee
  
The Golden Path
  
Governors Recertification and Refresher Course 
 Begins April 4
   
  March 27, 2005
  
  Dear Governors and Citizen Sidhas,
  
   
  
  The Governor Recertification Course will 
 begin on Monday April 4 for a length of 15 days for those Governors 
 who have initiated in the last 24 months, and a refresher and 
 recertification course will start on that same date for 30 days for 
 Governors who have not initiated during the past two years. Arrival 
 and registration will be on April 3rd.
  
  All teaching of the Transcendental 
 Meditation program will stop on April 4th during this transition 
from 
 Kali Yuga to Satya Yuga and will not resume until the first 
certified 
 teachers have graduated.
  
   
 SNIP
 
  The course fee will be the same as the 
 monthly compensation, $4000 per month in the U.S. Therefore the 15-
 day course will be $2000, and the one-month course $4000. 
  
   
  
  After being recertified at the end of the 
 course each recertified Governor will begin establishing their 
Peace 
 Palace and location in the malls and start to receive their monthly 
 compensation.
 
 
 
 Interesting to note that the monthly pay of the New Coke, er TM, 
 Teachers has already gone from $2000 to $3000 to now $4000/month. 
 Guess it's that inflation you could expect in the transition 
between 
 Kaliyuga and Sat Yuga. So if 550 have accepted so far to attend 
these 
 recert courses and be full-time compensated teachers, that's 
 $2,220,000 a month in salary alone, which means at least 880 people 
a 
 month must be initiated just to pay salaries, not to mention all 
the 
 other expenses involved in maintaining a center. I doubt if more 
than 
 about 200 a month are being initiated now in the USA, and probably 
 even fewer, so this plan does not look sustainable unless something 
 unusual happens in July's Sat Yuga forecast, which I think is 
 possible. Show me the sattva!


what about chaos theory...

 
I hope MMY is right.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: [CTN-Jogues] Fwd: Guardianship Theresa Schiavo

2005-03-26 Thread anonymousff

in the absence of facts and common sense, make up a rightwing nutter 
conspiracy theory

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 -- Forwarded Message
 From: Nelson  and Mary [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 16:24:42 -0600
 To: Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Fw: [CTN-Jogues] Fwd: Guardianship  Theresa Schiavo

 Hey Rick,
  I didn't know how to clean up this message and put it on ffl.
   Maybe itis too long  but at least read it and then decide.
These people make Jack Kavorkian look like a boy scout- he must 
be proud
 of them.   Thanks,  N.
 - Original Message -
 From: Susan Bush mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 12:09 AM
 Subject: Fw: [CTN-Jogues] Fwd: Guardianship  Theresa Schiavo

 - Original Message -
 From: acm mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 11:47 AM
 Subject: [CTN-Jogues] Fwd: Guardianship  Theresa Schiavo

 I found this on the web...very interesting even if lengthy. From 
Anna

 From: acm [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Guardianship  Theresa Schiavo

 Thursday, March 17, 2005

 What's REALLY Driving the Death Train for Terri! EXPLOSIVE
 Revelations About Judge Greer and Pinellas County Guardians!
 Outside of execution, guardianship is the most radical remedy we
 have.  Elias Cohen, Philadelphia Attorney and Gerontologist
 Is Pinellas County using guardianship as a cover for robbing the
 handicapped and elderly?
 If you had found a way to steal thousands of dollars from wealthy
 elderly, where would you find the most victims? Yes, Florida is the
 first state that comes to my mind.
 I never bought into the right to die thing. It is as much spin as
 the term reproductive rights is for abortion. Right to die is
 spin, but spin for what? While I know evil exists and admit I can't
 understand the rational of being in favor of killing people; I felt
 there just had to be more than a pro-death belief. I think I found
 what is behind this belief. It isn't about death with dignity. I
 think you will be shocked and horrified at what I found.
 Pinellas County Internal Auditor, Robert W. Melton has been assigned
 by Florida legislators to address guardianship reform. He
 says, .the practices I have seen in the short time I have been
 involved in guardianships is shocking. It is time to put an end to
 unscrupulous practices at the expense of our state's most vulnerable
 citizens.
 Court appointed professional guardians in Pinellas County have a
 great system going under the protection of judges like George Greer.
 Most of these guardians handle cases for wards who are mentally or
 physically incapable of doing so themselves. Even though Michael
 Schiavo is not a professional guardian, this case will set a
 precedent for the treatment of the disabled. Right now the abuse 
robs
 these people of their life savings and assets, while accusing family
 members of being the greedy ones and these guardians are
 only protecting these vulnerable citizens.
 A GREAT example of how they operate to gain guardianship and
 then protect their wards is below.
 Here are just 10 of the dirty tricks, as outlined by Pinellas
 County Internal Auditor Robert W.
 Melton:http://www.justiceforfloridaseniors.org/dirty-guardian-
 tricks.html
 Guardian creation of a trust: Remove all oversight by the court as a
 provision of the trust agreement; guardian becomes trustee; provide
 that the trustee can do whatever they want at their sole discretion.
 Sell real estate at lowball price: Use lowball valuations as a
 benchmark; don't list property with Realtors; sell to a land trust,
 where nobody knows the beneficiary; watch property resold a few
 months later for a huge increase.
 Maximize your (or your crony's) profit from investments: Hire money
 manager for financial expertise and let the manager select an
 investment broker; invest in volatile stocks and trade frequently to
 generate commissions; if you run up a large gain, don't selectively
 liquidate over time to pay the taxes but hold a fire sale to raise
 funds all in one day.
 Undervalue beginning inventory: Have a used-furniture friend value
 a house full of antiques for $3,000; forget to put some of the 
more
 expensive items on the inventory; forget to include a $40,000
 certificate of deposit.
 Pay yourself first: Make payment of guardian and attorney fees the
 highest priority; disregard mortgage payments and let ward's home go
 into foreclosure; squirrel away money in the attorney's escrow
 account for possible future expenses.
 Maintain guardianship at all costs: Keep family members uninformed;
 if family members try to become guardian, accuse them of stealing;
 use the ward's assets for legal fights to retain guardianship.
 Improper financial reporting: Bury asset-management and brokerage
 fees as aggregate capital losses due to market fluctuations; don't
 classify disbursements separately; file

[FairfieldLife] DeLay, Deny and Demagogue



DeLay, Deny and Demagogue

By MAUREEN DOWD
Published: March 24, 2005


Oh my God, we really are in a theocracy.

Are the Republicans so obsessed with maintaining control over all 
branches of government, and are the Democrats so emasculated about 
not having any power, that they are willing to turn the nation into a 
wholly owned subsidiary of the church?

The more dogma-driven activists, self-perpetuating pols and ratings-
crazed broadcast media prattle about faith, the less we honor the 
credo that a person's relationship with God should remain a private 
matter.

As the Bush White House desperately maneuvers in Iraq to prevent the 
new government from being run according to the dictates of religious 
fundamentalists, it desperately maneuvers here to pander to religious 
fundamentalists who want to dictate how the government should be run.

Maybe President Bush should spend less time preaching about spreading 
democracy around the world and more time worrying about our 
deteriorating democracy.

Even some Republicans seemed appalled at this latest illustration of 
Nietzsche's observation that morality is the best of all devices for 
leading mankind by the nose.

As Christopher Shays, one of five House Republicans who voted against 
the bill to allow the Terri Schiavo case to be snatched from Florida 
state jurisdiction and moved to federal court, put it: This 
Republican Party of Lincoln has become a party of theocracy. There 
are going to be repercussions from this vote.

A CBS News poll yesterday found that 82 percent of the public was 
opposed to Congress and the president intervening in this case; 74 
percent thought it was all about politics.

The president, who couldn't be dragged outdoors to talk about the 
more than a hundred thousand people who died in the horrific tsunami, 
was willing to be dragged out of bed to sign a bill about one woman 
his base had fixated on. But with the new polls, the White House 
seemed to shrink back a bit.

The scene on Capitol Hill this past week has been almost as absurdly 
macabre as the movie Weekend at Bernie's, with Tom DeLay and Bill 
Frist propping up between them this poor woman in a vegetative state 
to indulge their own political agendas. Mr. DeLay, the poster child 
for ethical abuse, wanted to show that he is still a favorite of 
conservatives. Dr. Frist thinks he can ace out Jeb Bush to be 44, 
even though he has become a laughingstock by trying to rediagnose Ms. 
Schiavo's condition by video.

As one disgusted Times reader suggested in an e-mail: Americans 
ought to send Bill Frist their requests: 'Dear Dr. Frist: Please 
watch the enclosed video and tell us if that mole on my mother's 
cheek is cancer. Does she need surgery?'

Jeb, keeping up with the '08 competition, vainly tried to get Florida 
to declare Ms. Schiavo a ward of the state.

Republicans easily abandon their cherished principles of individual 
privacy and states rights when their personal ambitions come into 
play. The first time they snatched a case out of a Florida state 
court to give to a federal court, it was Bush v. Gore. This time, 
it's Bush v. Constitution.

While Senate Democrats like Hillary Clinton, who are trying to curry 
favor with red staters, meekly allowed the shameful legislation to be 
enacted, at least some Floridian House members decided to put up a 
fight, though they knew they couldn't win.

The president and his ideological partners don't believe in 
separation of powers. They just believe in their own power. First 
they tried to circumvent the Florida courts; now they're trying to 
pack the federal bench with conservatives and even blow up the 
filibuster rule. But they may yet learn a lesson on checks and 
balances, as the federal courts rebuffed them in the Schiavo case.

Mr. DeLay moved yesterday to file a friend of the court brief with 
the Supreme Court asking that Ms. Schiavo's feeding tube be restored 
while the federal court is deciding what to do. But as he exploits 
this one sad case, Mr. DeLay has voted to slash Medicaid by $15 
billion, denying money to care for poor people in nursing homes, some 
on feeding tubes.

Mr. DeLay made his personal stake clear at a conference last Friday 
organized by the Family Research Council, a conservative Christian 
group. He said that God had brought Terri Schiavo's struggle to the 
forefront to help elevate the visibility of what's going on in 
America. He defined that as attacks against the conservative 
movement, against me and against many others.

So it's not about her crisis at all. It's about his crisis.

E-mail: liberties at nytimes.com





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[FairfieldLife] Re: More about Hammesfahr



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley 
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  Hey Alex, 
  
  I'll write a letter to the Nobel Committee recommending you
  get a Nobel Prize if you write one for me, then we can both
  claim to be Nobel Prize nominees.  What do you want??  I want
  Peace, no Physics!
 
 I want a Nobel prize for over 40, male sexiness.
  
 After all, my only real accomplishment in 43 years on planet Earth 
is
 losing 30 pounds of flab followed by 14 months of weight training.
 
 Alex

that is pathetic





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[FairfieldLife] The indigo soul and the existential crisis



More at  http://www.starchild.co.za/channel17.html#three

Often, at the age of about 15 or 16, the young Indigo adult may go 
into a state of depression or neurotic behavior and begin manifesting 
destructive or self-destructive patterns of behavior. Sometimes these 
patterns may be only turned inwards, but often they can become 
focused outwards as well. In this case, the destructive energies are 
felt and experienced by the family, and the peace and stability of 
the family is shattered. In extreme cases, Indigos may take their 
destructive patterns into the larger community and become problem 
cases.


The Indigo Soul and the Existential Crisis
Firstly, you as parents need to understand the soul of your Indigo 
teen-ager. They are advanced beings, and their souls are of a higher 
vibration and thus closer to the God/Source vibration than yours may 
be. Because of this, they have an inner sense or knowing when 
something is not right for them or is not working for them. They 
might not be able to articulate it fully, but the knowing is there.
This is especially applicable when it comes to rules, regulations, 
and a way of life that is predetermined by society. The Indigo soul 
rebels against confinement and containment. It seeks the expression 
of its essence as a divine spark in freedom and joy. What it gets is 
often a stifling and boring system called school that seeks to 
quash all individualism and make them conform to some conventional 
pattern of set behavior and thinking. This is followed by work' 
or career in which these patterns are crystallized into forms of 
survival where certain actions are rewarded by money. Well, this is 
how your Indigo teen-ager or adolescent see your life and your system 
of education and careers.

For yes, indeed, the Indigo adolescent and teen-ager looks at you, 
his or her parents, and the community, and sees people who have lost 
their freedom and passion, and are living routine and unexciting 
lives based on survival through earning money. The Indigo knows this 
is NOT what he or she came to the planet to do!

Some Indigos have the strength to find their own path into passion 
and individual expression. But many feel completely trapped by the 
system and see no future for themselves. This is when the existential 
crisis begins.

They become depressive and angry and may seek escape in alcohol and 
drug abuse. Some refuse to attend school or find jobs. It is becoming 
increasingly common for Indigos to just sit at home. In some cases, 
this non-participation in society is combined with substance abuse 
and rebellion, producing a deeply unhappy home situation for all 
concerned.






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[FairfieldLife] Heaven on Earth



More at:http://www.starchild.co.za/rebirth.html

Gradually, the Earth will fill with beings of Light who are multi-
dimensional Human Angels, aware of who they are and why they are 
here. They will live with open hearts and will share and love all 
their fellow beings. They will honor the Planet and create a Paradise 
of beauty. Heaven on Earth. It is not too far away. In fact it will 
manifest within your lifetimes. Now is the difficult time, as so many 
of you both Bridge the two realities, and indeed, become the Bridge 
to the New Reality for many people.

Those on Earth who have chosen not to enter the New Reality will most 
probably live their lives out in a normal way. But they will not be 
able to return to Earth, since Earth will in future only accept Multi-
Dimensional Crystal or Christed beings. Those who do not make the 
transition will be released to continue their evolution on some other 
world where they can continue with Third Dimensional learning. Earth 
is no longer a school for Third Dimensionality - that role is over. 
Earth has Ascended and is now the Golden Home for Human Angels. This 
reality is assured. We invite you to work with us to assist in the 
creation of the New Earth.





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[FairfieldLife] Remote viewing

2005-03-23 Thread anonymousff



Remote viewing is an inherent ability which all of us, as humans have.
It is just a matter of perseverance and training.  Remote viewing is 
part of the traditional shaman training of North American Indians, 
and is all tied up with certain ettiquettes and protocols of dealing 
with the natural world.  Notable shamans who have used this technique 
include Padre Pio, who was also able to bilocate physically.  Also, 
Maharishi, (from my own personal experience) has no trouble at all 
using remote viewing.  Remote viewing is used by many people from 
shamanistic cultures (aboriginal, Japanese, Inuit,
Lapland, Russian, Korean, South and North American) all over the 
world.  Many of these cultures also use drumming rhythms and/or herbs
to help them slip into altered states of consciousness to achieve the
purpose.  For many of these cultures, remote viewing is primarily 
used for the purpose of distance healing.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Chilim Mantra



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rudra_joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Pretty much figured it out Oh Shankara. You can't hide stuff from
Shiva. Thanks for this whole thread though. It was very meanigful to
this erstwhile stoner.


**


Some more links on the relationship of ganja to spirituality, ritual,
offerings and sadhana in some traditions.

Along with others, perhaps Rick's friend Dana could comment on his
observation of its spiritual / ritual use (or abuse) in India.  


Some mantras:

He is invoked before taking the first puff by shouting one of many
chilam-mantras: 
 Alakh!; Bam Bam Bholanath!; Bom Shiva! 

Mantra for offering ganja to Balarama:
  Baladev Baladev Hara Hara Ganja.

Other:
  Om Shiva Shankara Hari Hari Ganga!



http://www.lifepositive.com/Mind/evolution/drugs.asp

In India, the Aghora sect of Tantra and a significant section of
Shaivite Tantrics ritually partake of marijuana as part of their
sadhana (spiritual exercise).

With the first drag, Shiva (a Hindu deity) made the sky. With the
second, he made the earth and with the third he made this world.
This, according to Dr Molly Kaushal, research officer at the Indira
Gandhi National Centre for the Arts in New Delhi, is how the Gaddi
tribals of the northern Indian hill state of Himachal Pradesh describe
the act of Creation. The 'drag' here, of course, refers to a puff of
cannabis.

As she tells me this, an excited Madhusudan Baul, a folk singer from
the eastern Indian state of West Bengal, chips in: These three puffs
are extremely important. There is a proper ritual involved in taking
them. There should be a gap of at least 90 seconds between each puff.
And the high that you reach after three puffs is the climax. No
further smoking will make any difference.

And what does he feel when he is on such a high? Madhusudan closes his
eyes in bliss as he recalls: We all know that God resides everywhere.
But we see Him in bits and pieces. Cannabis makes me see God in His
entirety. It is a sight of such unalloyed joy that tears well up in my
eyes.

Neem Karoli Baba forwarded a similar view when he was asked by one of
his disciples whether taking hashish helps spiritual development. You
should smoke hashish like Lord Shiva, he said, only to be with God.
But smoking hashish is not necessary to reach God. The effect only
lasts a short while. Devotion to God is an addiction that lasts all
the time.


http://surrealist.org/prayforpeace/1997b.html

Excerpt from Sadhus: India's Mystic Holy Men, by Dolf Hartsuiker Inner
Traditions, Int'l. (1993), p. 97-98

A common ritual [for devotees of the God Shiva] is the smoking of a
mixture of tobacco and charas (hashish) in a chiam (pipe). Although
this undoubtedly serves the more earthly purpose of socializing with
Sadhu-brothers and devotees, the smoking of charas is nonetheless
regarded as a sacred act. Intoxication as a 'respected' -- amongst
Babas anyway -- method for self-realization is related to the drinking
of soma, the nectar of the gods, which is recommended in the Vedas as
a sure means of attaining divine wisdom.

Mythologically charas is intimately connected with Shiva: he smokes
it, he is perpetually intoxicated by it, he is the Lord of Charas. He
is invoked before taking the first puff by shouting one of many
chilam-mantras: Alakh!; Bam Bam Bholanath!; Bom Shiva! Babas
offer the smoke to him; they want to take part in his ecstasy, his
higher vision of Reality. As a final gesture of devotion, a Sadhu may
mark his forehead with the chilam-ashes, or even eat them, as prasad
from Shiva. Charas may be used by Shaivas (Shiva worshipers) and
Vaishnavas (Vishnu worshipers).


Lord Balarama  Ganja

Worshipers of Shiva traditionally offer their ganja to Shiva before
smoking, but what about followers of Krishna? Krishna generally does
not accept ganja offerings, although He clearly states that He is the
healing essence of all herbs. In ancient India, the temple incense was
infused with hashish so worshipers could inhale the sacred smoke and
experience love of God. Although hash incense is no longer available,
Krishna worshipers offer ganja smoke to Krishna's brother, Balarama,
and receive the Lord's blessings.

Mantra for offering ganja to Balarama: Baladev Baladev Hara Hara Ganja.



http://www.tripzine.com/print.asp?id=dowhatido

She brought out a heavy auburn cone of clay which had an inner rod
that fit snugly inside the hollow cone. She ripped a tattered fragment
off of her orange sarong and tied it around the thinner end of the
cone, brought out a small cup made from an immature ash-blackened
coconut in which she crumbled up a 1:2 mix of charas and rare ganja
which she tightly packed into the wide end of the chillum.

Om Shiva Shankara Hari Hari Ganga!

Ditto. I mimicked her mantra and we began. I got this pipe from a
baba who resides in the Shiva Temple at Hampi.


My first goal was to find the Baba who taught Eleanor the art of
chillum smoking. Before we slept she

[FairfieldLife] Ask Dr. Shulgin



Given recent discussion on Shulgin, and hero-status, I found this
link. We can ask him questions.

ask link
http://www.cognitiveliberty.org/shulgin/blg/2005/01/welcome-new-look-for-2005.html

root lnk
http://www.cognitiveliberty.org/index.html

I asked him the following question. We'll see if he answers.

Can you please share any insights on Soma -- the drink of the gods,
the drink of immortality,  prevelant in the Indian / Vedic Rig Veda. I
am interested in the identity of the some plant, its processing, the
structure of its refined state after processing, and its effects.  Any
botanical and bio-chemical insights on the traditional substance and
possible modern correlates are appreciated. Thank you. 







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[FairfieldLife] Re: In or out redux



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 on 3/22/05 10:10 AM, Peter Sutphen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  
  I got a call too. I haven't called back yet.
  -Peter
  --- Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
 I bet I won't get one. I've been getting flak lately about my negative
 website (this one).

I guess I wont get one either. Being anon. Being non-existant. Being
no one.

Hello, is anon there

   No one here. What can no one do for you?

No not no one, I want anon?

   Anon is no one

Then you are anon?

   This is no one. 

Well, whatever. The new raja wants to know if no one wants to teach
full time, in or out?

   No one not in or out

Listen to me no one, this is serious. No one stop your kidding around!

   No one not kidding

What? 

   No one can teach full time

Thats a really  negative perspective

  No one is not negative or positive

Are you on drugs?

   No one is not on drugs

Well, I am sure the raja does NOT want no one to teach full time.

   No one teach in no time

What? No. No one don't start teaching right away, or ever.

   No one teach nowhere in no time. No one is happy. No one will DO it

You are an idiot, and nothing

   Yes, no one is nothing, no one is idiot

No, no one is not an idiot. No one is an idiot!!

   Yes, I know, no one is an idiot.

   No one will teach in not time. Where should no one go to start? 

I'm hanging up on no one

   No one is happy

















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[FairfieldLife] Re: Terri Schiavo and Bush contradictions



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

 The government used to be a reflection of the
   will of the people
   and by the people etc. but somewhere along the line
   it has become
   reversed.  N.
  
  The government is still very, very much a reflection
  of the will of the people.
  
  Those people are called lobbyists.
 
 Then, the 60-70% of the American people, who agree with the husband
 in carrying out Terri's wish to die with dignity, should get better
 lobbyists.
 
 Alex

There is no right to die with dignity, only the right to life.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Chilim Mantra

A second set of links, linking cannabis with ritual, sadhana and tantra.

http://www.changetheclimate.org/news/sex.php

Advanced Tantra marijuana rituals were intense, complex and difficult.
Researchers have uncovered sacred texts describing cannabis rituals,
but doubt that modern Tantra practitioners still engage in such
activities.

*** VAJ, do you know what this is referring to?

Tantra cannabis rituals date back at least to 700 AD, and involved
groups of purified male and female worshippers who engaged in
fasting, chanting, prayer, ceremonial purifications, Kundalini yoga,
and sexual union, subjecting body and spirit to excruciating and
ecstatic ordeals. Concentration, consecration and transformation were
the goals of such rituals, which were conducted in temples festooned
with thousands of flowers, clouds of incense smoke, and flickering
temple lamps.

http://www.entheogen.com/Forums/viewtopic/t=3978.html

In Plants of the Gods (2nd edition), it is stated that in Tantric
Buddism of the HImalayas of Tibet, Cannabis plays a very significant
role in teh meditative ritual used to facilitate deep meditation and
heighten awareness, (97-8).

http://www.changetheclimate.org/news/sex.php

After fasting and purging for at least 24 hours, Tantric celebrants
ingested bhang, accompanied by deep abdominal breathing and visual
imaging exercises. These exercises free blocked energy, tonify muscles
and blood flow, and facilitate the power and onset of cannabis
intoxication, which usually occurs within an hour of swallowing the
spicy, potent libation.

An anthropologist notes that cannabis religions recognize the
metaphysical potential of the female cannabis plant.

Cultures with sacred cannabis use tend to be cultures which recognize
the 'goddess'. That could mean mother earth, yin, or female beauty and
virtues. People who bring marijuana inside themselves are engaging in
a type of sexual union with the plant. It is a very sexual act to have
a molecule of THC implant itself into your brain.

Since cannabis is associated with female dieties like Kali, we could
say that when you use marijuana sexually, you are bringing a very
special 'woman' into your bed. Make sure you're ready for that
relationship.

Similarly, in Marijuana Medicine by Ratsch, we find that in Tantric
Buddhism, psychoactive hemp drinks ocntinue to be used when medetating
on the cosmic union of Buddha and his shakti as well as for the actual
physical union between temple servants and priests (cf. Grieder
1990:152ff.). Here, the aphrodisiac hemp is regarded as the food of
Kundalini, the female subtle creative erngy that transforms sexual
energy into a spiritual experience. THe drink is consumed 1.5 hours
prior to meditation for the yab/yum ritual so that hte culmination of
its effects occurs at the beginning of the spiritual or physical
activity. When used in this manner, hemp increases meditative
concentration, improves attentiveness to the ceremony, and stimulates
sexuality (Aldrich 1977; Touw 1981), (45-6).

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:vxGfLrKXiFkJ:www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/hemp/history/first12000/1ref.htm+bhang+OR+charas+OR+cannabis+%2Btantrahl=enclient=firefox-a

In his Dictionary of Assyrian Botany (p. 220), Campbell identified
the Sumerian term a-zal-la and the Akkadian term azulla as cannabis on
the basis of their similarities to the Syrian azal, meaning to spin.
Campbell also took the Assyrian word gurgurangu as another reference
to cannabis because of its similarity to garganinj, the Persian word
for cannabis. Building on these similarities, Campbell then identified
the Sumerian drug gan-zi-gun-na as hashish [literally, a robber (gan)
who spins away (gun-nu) the soul (zi)]. Campbell also felt that the
similarity between gan-zi and the Hindu word qanjha also supports his
arguments. However, in a later discussion of this issue (p. 229), he
acknowledges the possibility that the Sumerian and Akkadian words he
tentatively identified as hashish could just as likely be words
denoting narcotics in general and opium specifically.

A letter written around 680 B.C. by an unknown woman to the mother of
the Assyrian king, Esarhaddon, mentions a substance called qu-nu-bu
which also may have been cannabis, but again there is no certainty for
this identification. Cf. L. Waterman, Royal Correspondence of the
Assyrian Empire (Ann Arbor: University of Michigan Press, 1930),
letter 368.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Terri Schiavo and Bush contradictions



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   wrote:
  
   The government used to be a reflection of the
 will of the people
 and by the people etc. but somewhere along the line
 it has become
 reversed.  N.

The government is still very, very much a reflection
of the will of the people.

Those people are called lobbyists.
   
   Then, the 60-70% of the American people, who agree with the 
husband
   in carrying out Terri's wish to die with dignity, should get 
better
   lobbyists.
   
   Alex
  
  There is no right to die with dignity, only the right to life.
 + How come we don't hear of even serial killers being starved to
 death?   

Because serial killers get the electric chair or lethal injection. 
The normal protocol for terminally ill people is discontinuing food 
and water.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Terri Schiavo and Bush contradictions



 

Like 
 I said before, NO ONE knows the whole story.

except the right-wing religious freak propaganda mill where nelson 
gets all his information





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's Offer to Governors and Citizen Sidhas



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, at_man_and_brahman
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 No. Mad as in stark raving.
 
 This is the same man who recently 
 planned to offer courses in 2010 that
 will prepare and authorize rulership
 over other universes. 

I hate to pop the bubble of bliss here, but that post was satire. It
intended to ask -- where is this all going?  The process was to look
at plausible next steps (maharaja, etc) -- but ending in the absurd. 
I thought the 100 billion dollar donation and rulership of alternative
universes was sort of a give away, but I guess even that was not
absurd enough. 

It is a comment on how things are that when one tries to envision the
most absurd end state -- to some it still appears logically consistent
with past progressions. Pass the soma so I can enlarge my creative
faculties. Or the kool-aid.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: in or out



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 Well, coming in handy after the Kaplans' split with TM-ville, there 
 might now be a very rich donor to the TM movement who can support a 
 lot of these extravagant plans and a lot of handouts to TM teachers: 
 Nat Goldhaber, vice-presidential candidate for the Natural Law Party 
 in 2000, owns a large block of Ask Jeeves stock 
 http://excite.brand.edgar-online.com/PeopleFilingResults.aspx?
 PersonID=2585872 , which was just sold for $2 billion:
 
 http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/21/business/21deal.html

I though Nat sold most of Ask Jeeves at its peak in late 1999 or 
2000, before it crashed to next to nothing: it was less than $1 in Oct
2001 as well as many months in 2002. 

By selling it befoe it crashed, he had some bucks. If he had held onto
it, it would have been next to worthless for the past 3-4 years. I
assume that his current holdings are small -- that he held on to just
a bit for old times sake. Is my understanding incorrect?

I dont have access to the actual filings on your link. Do you? Do you
have evidence that Nat's current holdings of AJ are substantial? How
many shares?

Currently ASKJ is 27.8 up from 24 on Friday. A small jump given the
acquisition news.







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[FairfieldLife] The Voice of God



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
  In a message dated 3/21/05 9:49:03 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
  So you  believe in the slaughter of innocent women and children
  whenever some  lunatic thinks he's hearing god talking to  him.



Just probing the issue a bit. 


Were all the rishis lunatics for
 hearing the voice of God / creation?
Were all the prophets lunatics for hearing the voice of God?
Was Arjuna  a lunatic for hearing the voice of God?
Was Krisna even more of a lunatic for saying he WAS god?
Was Joseph Smith a lunatic for hearing the new scriptures?
Was Mary a lunatic for hearing the messenger of God? 
Was Son of Sam a lunatic for hearing 

Where is the line drawn? 

Is it that NO ONE hears the voice of God? 
God doesn't speak to anyone? 
God doesn't exits? 
People (like Dr Pete) don't exist? 
Sound doesn't exist (when a tree falls in a secluded forest?)









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[FairfieldLife] The Body Actually Can Be the Home Of All Knowledge



http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/biz/archives/2005/03/20/2003247076


New technology uses human body for broadband networking
By sending data over the surface of the skin, it may soon be possible
to trade music files by dancing cheek to cheek, or to swap phone
numbers by kissing

By Paul Rubens
THE GUARDIAN , LONDON
Sunday, Mar 20, 2005,Page 12

I recently acquired my own in-body device -- a pacemaker -- but it
takes a special radio frequency connector to interface to it. As more
and more implants go into bodies, the need for a good Internet
Protocol connection increases.

Gordon Bell, a senior researcher at Microsoft's Bay Area Research
Center in San Francisco
Your body could soon be the backbone of a broadband personal data
network linking your mobile phone or MP3 player to a cordless headset,
your digital camera to a PC or printer, and all the gadgets you carry
around to each other.

These personal area networks are already possible using radio-based
technologies, such as Wi-Fi or Bluetooth, or just plain old cables to
connect devices. But NTT, the Japanese communications company, has
developed a technology called RedTacton, which it claims can send data
over the surface of the skin at speeds of up to 2Mbps -- equivalent to
a fast broadband data connection.

Using RedTacton-enabled devices, music from an MP3 player in your
pocket would pass through your clothing and shoot over your body to
headphones in your ears. Instead of fiddling around with a cable to
connect your digital camera to your computer, you could transfer
pictures just by touching the PC while the camera is around your neck.
And since data can pass from one body to another, you could also
exchange electronic business cards by shaking hands, trade music files
by dancing cheek to cheek, or swap phone numbers just by kissing.

NTT is not the first company to use the human body as a conduit for
data: IBM pioneered the field in 1996 with a system that could
transfer small amounts of data at very low speeds, and last June,
Microsoft was granted a patent for a method and apparatus for
transmitting power and data using the human body.

But RedTacton is arguably the first practical system because, unlike
IBM's or Microsoft's, it doesn't need transmitters to be in direct
contact with the skin -- they can be built into gadgets, carried in
pockets or bags, and will work within about 20cm of your body.
RedTacton doesn't introduce an electric current into the body --
instead, it makes use of the minute electric field that occurs
naturally on the surface of every human body. A transmitter attached
to a device, such as an MP3 player, uses this field to send data by
modulating the field minutely in the same way that a radio carrier
wave is modulated to carry information.

Receiving data is more complicated because the strength of the
electric field involved is so low. RedTacton gets around this using a
technique called electric field photonics: A laser is passed though an
electro-optic crystal, which deflects light differently according to
the strength of the field across it. These deflections are measured
and converted back into electrical signals to retrieve the transmitted
data.

An obvious question, however, is why anyone would bother networking
though their body when proven radio-based personal area networking
technologies, such as Bluetooth, already exist? Tom Zimmerman, the
inventor of the original IBM system, says body-based networking is
more secure than broadcast systems, such as Bluetooth, which have a
range of about 10m.

With Bluetooth, it is difficult to rein in the signal and restrict it
to the device you are trying to connect to, says Zimmerman. You
usually want to communicate with one particular thing, but in a busy
place there could be hundreds of Bluetooth devices within range.

As human beings are ineffective aerials, it is very hard to pick up
stray electronic signals radiating from the body, he says. This is
good for security because even if you encrypt data it is still
possible that it could be decoded, but if you can't pick it up it
can't be cracked.

Zimmerman also believes that, unlike infrared or Bluetooth phones and
PDAs, which enable people to beam electronic business cards across a
room without ever formally meeting, body-based networking allows for
more natural interchanges of information between humans.

If you are very close or touching someone, you are either in a busy
subway train, or you are being intimate with them, or you want to
communicate, he says. I think it is good to be close to someone when
you are exchanging information.

RedTacton transceivers can be treated as standard network devices, so
software running over Ethernet or other TCP/IP protocol-based networks
will run unmodified.

Gordon Bell, a senior researcher at Microsoft's Bay Area Research
Center in San Francisco, says that while Bluetooth or other radio
technologies may be perfectly suitable to link gadgets for many
personal area networking purposes,

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Voice of God



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 --- markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
 snip
  
  
  Dr Pete, and several others in this group, have made
  it clear that
  they don't exist.  Somehow their posts keep coming,
  which I guess is
  proof that God exists since someone must be doing
  it.
 
 Don't confound ego (I sense) with consciousness. In
 waking state they are thought to be the same. They're
 not. Also, why must some one be doing anything? 
 Just because action occurs doesn't mean that there is some
 deliberate intent behind it. It just occurs.

Not being glib or sick. But there is a strange parallel here. 

Dr. EasyOne indicated that Terry Shaivo's seemingly cognitive
responses of recognition to her family were in fact simply a complex
response mechanism -- co-existing along with with a vegetative
cerebral cortex. Response just happens, no doer.

Dr. Pete articulates a similar phenomenon of no actor -- my
interpretation -- that all actions by the body / mind -- known by the
ignorant as Dr. Pete -- are simply a complex response mechanism with
no doer. 

Should we remove Dr Pete's feeding tubes? (Ok, I am being glib here --
but its just a complex response mechanism with no doer.)

The question is how are Dr. Pete's actions aka complex responses
different from Terry Shaivo's? (aside from her's being better reasoned
at times. Sorry. Its the glibness guna acting up again.)





 





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Rudra Joe- Are you familiar with my hero?



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Anon:
 
 On Mar 20, 2005, at 5:05 PM, anonymousff wrote:
 
  Just curious -- do you include all drugs as tejas or prana or
ojas) draining?
 
 
   For example:
 
   - marijuana / ganja and its derivatives - hash, drinks or
  formulations made out if it, appear to have a long history in some
  yogic / sadhu / ayruvedic circles and traditions. Shiva is
  traditionally held as lord of ganja. With Shiva being so intimate to
  tantric and agamic traditions, and given the long association of ganja
  with yogic / sadhu and ayurvedic traditions, do you view ganja as
  decreasing tejas, ojas, prana?

 
 Increases vata if smoked, best taken as bhang in almond milk. It is 
 believed that marijuana reduces one of the the subtle pranas (forget 
 which one). If prepared properly, it can be smoked. Also helpful to 
 know its mantra.
 


Is that the Aghora mantra? Or something esle? 

aghorebhyo `tha ghorebhyo
aghoraghoratarebhyah
sarvtah sharvah sarvebhyo
namas te rudra rupebhyo

I found a site that indicates the whole cultivation process can be
very ritualistic.

http://www.geocities.com/sarabhanga/bhang.html

 Select seeds, which have been kept in the mouth of a snake, are sown
during an auspicious day during the waxing moon in July. The person
who has performed the appropriate rites (Nyasa and Acamana) must face
North or East and meditate. Water mixed with milk is sprinkled over
the seeds. When they begin to sprout, they are sprinkled with water
mixed with milk. When they sprout, water mixed with clarified butter
is used. When the first leaves appear, the plants are sprinkled with
salt water. During flowering, they are sprinkled with water mixed with
alcohol and meat, then with water and honey, and finally with water
and alcohol. Four rites are performed at the harvest (Stepana, Sevana,
Tantubandhana, and Lavana). The third rite (Tantubandhana ~ tying the
tree with fibers) should be performed on the 14th day of the waning
moon in Phalguna (February-March) by a person who has bathed, dressed
in clean clothing, applied perfume and sacrificed meat and alcohol to
Bhairava. The plants are tied with red, yellow, black and white
threads. Then the Aghora Mantra should be recited for a week. On the
fifth day of the waxing moon, the cultivator should meditate on the
Bhang and imagine her as a deity. Finally, the mature plant is
harvested while again reciting the Aghora Mantra.  ~ [Robert A. Nelson]

***

If cultivated and used in ritualistic manner, as part of ones
spiritual path, to gain spiritual benefit, per below, I wonder if
anyone has claimed religious freedom to use it.


**

Bhang is the Joygiver, the Skyflier, the Heavenly Guide, the Poor
Man's Heaven, the Soother of Grief...

No god or man is as good as the religious drinker of Bhang. The
students of scriptures at Benares are given Bhang before they sit to
study. At Benares, Ujjain and other holy places, Yogis, Bairagis and
Sanyasis take deep draughts of Bhang that they may center their
thoughts on the Eternal...

The supporting power of Bhang has brought many a Hindu family safe
through the miseries of famine.

To forbid or even seriously to restrict the use of so holy and
gracious an herb as the hemp would cause widespread suffering and
annoyance and to large bands of worshipped ascetics, deep-seated
anger. It would rob the people of a solace in discomfort, of a cure in
sickness, of a guardian whose gracious protection saves them from the
attacks of evil influences... 

  





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Rudra Joe- Are you familiar with my hero?



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 On Mar 21, 2005, at 1:43 PM, anonymousff wrote:
 
  Is that the Aghora mantra? Or something esle?
 
 Something else--it's a bija you plant in the plant leaves.

Do you know what it is? Or where to find it? 





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Rudra Joe- Are you familiar with my hero?



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 On Mar 21, 2005, at 1:43 PM, anonymousff wrote:
 
  If cultivated and used in ritualistic manner, as part of ones
  spiritual path, to gain spiritual benefit, per below, I wonder if
  anyone has claimed religious freedom to use it.
 
 Read _Baba_ by Rampuri and _Aghora, at the Left Hand of God_ by Robbie 
 Svoboda. Clearly, yes.

Thanks. But has anyone made a compelling court case for its religious use?


BTW, while googling this topic, i came across this interview with
chopra where he says coma could be a cannabis type plant.



High Times Interview with Deepak Chopra

In the May 1999 High Times, Steven Hager speaks with Dr. Deepak
Chopra, the author from India who talks to us about changing our
reality by changing our thoughts. Dr. Chopra has sold more than 10
million books on healing and spirituality. In this interview, he talks
about the Hindu's spiritual use of soma (a religious sacrament that
often contained ganja, marijuana). Here are excerpts (link to High Times).

Steve: In the Rig Veda it says, Soma is king of the healing plants .
. . the blind see . . . the lame walk . . . and it clothes the naked.

Dr. C.: Well, soma, originally in Ayurvedic terms, is the elixir of
life . . . In the Rig Veda we find reference to a plant which also
gives that experience of a higher state of consciousness. What that
plant was we don't know, but we can guess.

Steve: What would you guess? . . . We know cannabis is effective in
the treatment of glaucoma, which explains why the blind see. We also
know cannabis is effective with multiple sclerosis . . . and cannabis
also clothes the naked.



Dr. C.: It is possible soma was a cannabis-like substance.
***


Steve: How do you feel about the possibility that one of the central
plants of the oldest living Eastern religion is illegal everwhere in
the world?

Dr. C.: I think it is reflective of the psychosis of our social
conditioning and our tribal minds . . . we legalize substances which
are much more harmful and we outlaw substances which could be
significantly important.

Steve: As an M.D., how do you feel about the widespread prescription
of synthetic, mind-altering drugs?

Dr. C.:I believe 80% of the drugs that are prescribed are of optional
or marginal benefit. . . The average person in a nursing home is
getting between 10 and 15 drugs that are totally unnecessary. 





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Rudra Joe- Are you familiar with my hero?



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 On Mar 21, 2005, at 1:57 PM, anonymousff wrote:
 
  Do you know what it is? Or where to find it?
 
 It was given to me by one of my Nath gurus. It's usually blown into 
 your ear.

So is it proscribed that it can't be given out in writing? That it
must always be blown into ones ear? 





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[FairfieldLife] Religious Freedom Restoration Act



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  On Mar 21, 2005, at 1:43 PM, anonymousff wrote:
  
   If cultivated and used in ritualistic manner, as part of ones
   spiritual path, to gain spiritual benefit, per below, I wonder if
   anyone has claimed religious freedom to use it.


I googled some stuff. For those interested hare some links. 
Its not clear the current status of the bill and court rulings. Last
link is 2002, overturning prior more-freedom oriented rulings.

It may come into play as the TMO gets more zany and hinduistic.




http://www.civilliberties.org/spr97const.html

 I am referring to the religious use of cannabis as use of ganja, in
this article. Your right to use ganja and stronger psychedelics
religiously probablly finds its legal expression strongest under the
Religious Freedom Restoration Act (RFRA) of 1993. The constitutional
question here involves so-called laws of general applicability. The
question is: when a law passed for some reason not related to making
problems for religion, does in fact make problems for religion, what
changes: the religious person, or the law? If that sounds abstract
let's talk about a good example involving free expression.

In the early 1990s the Supreme Court applied the same test to
religious freedom and came to the same conclusion: if the law just
happens to make it impossible for you to live according to your
religious beliefs, find some new beliefs, because the government
doesn't have to change the law. There was a big uproar and the
Congress overwhelmingly passed the RFRA of 1993. Its quite short and
it says that when the law prevents you from living according to your
religious beliefs, the law has to change (usually).

The courts hate this law. And by and large they have refused to follow
it. They narrowed it down to only applying when the law affected a
sincerely held belief that was central to your religion. However to
the credit of the courts, you don't have to be a member of an
organized religion, and your belief doesn't have to make sense. You
might believe, for instance, that the mothership is behind the
Hale-Bopp comet and eating toxic applesauce is a great way to beam
yourself up. The question is not verity, it is sincerity. The Heaven's
Gate 39 did not violate any laws.

There are gazillions of cases invoking the RFRA of 1993. Usually in
vain. A California court told Gregory Peck (not the actor) that his
Isreal Zion Coptic Church could use ganja as a sacrament, and he could
possess it, but he couldn't grow it or buy it. This decision is
downright spooky when you consider the parallel arguments about
medical marijuana.

Most cases seem to involve prisoners unable to follow the practices of
their religious beliefs. The courts generally could care less. They
find that prison discipline would collapse if anything beyond generic
chapel occurred. Some cases, however, involve established churches who
violate zoning laws - usually by feeding the poor or some other
charitable act which upsets the neighbors. By and large the courts
have favored the churches over the zoning laws.

So we have the most bizarre outcome of all. The government is
suppressing religion on all fronts, the jails are filled with
religious prisoners whose cases cry out for justice, and the case that
comes before the Supreme Court to allow it to determine if the RFRA of
1993 is constitutional involves a church in Texas which wants to
expand its building. It is in an area zoned for historic preservation
and the government doesn't want it to get bigger or to change anything
in the building facade.

Oral arguments have been heard and now we are awaiting the
pronouncement of the fate of the RFRA of 1993. If it is upheld, there
is still an enormous distance to go before there is actual religious
freedom involving the use of psychoactives in the USA. If you use
ganja or LSD religiously you are more likely to be a martyr than a
winner if you go to court.

*

http://www.metnews.com/articles/guer052902.htm

Wednesday, May 29, 2002

Ninth Circuit Rejects Rastafarian's `Religious Freedom' Defense to
Charge of Marijuana Importation

 

By KENNETH OFGANG, Staff Writer/Appellate Courts

 

A member of the Rastafarian faith does not have the right to bring
marijuana into Guam, either under the territory's Bill of Rights or
the federal Religious Freedom Restoration Act, the Ninth U.S. Circuit
Court of Appeals has ruled.

Reversing the Supreme Court of Guam, a Ninth Circuit panelwhich heard
argument in Honolulu in Novemberreinstated drug charges against Benny
T. Guerrero. The court did, however, leave open the possibility that
such a defense might succeed if raised to a charge of simple possession.

Guerrero, who has used the Rastafarian name Iyah Ben Makahna for 20
years but was indicted under his birth name, was arrested at Guam
International Airport with five

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Voice of God and Thieves



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 --- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
   --- markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   snip


Dr Pete, and several others in this group, have
  made
it clear that
they don't exist.  Somehow their posts keep
  coming,
which I guess is
proof that God exists since someone must be
  doing
it.
   
   Don't confound ego (I sense) with consciousness.
  In
   waking state they are thought to be the same.
  They're
   not. Also, why must some one be doing anything? 
   Just because action occurs doesn't mean that there
  is some
   deliberate intent behind it. It just occurs.
  
  Not being glib or sick. But there is a strange
  parallel here. 
  
  Dr. EasyOne indicated that Terry Shaivo's seemingly
  cognitive
  responses of recognition to her family were in fact
  simply a complex
  response mechanism -- co-existing along with with a
  vegetative
  cerebral cortex. Response just happens, no doer.
  
  Dr. Pete articulates a similar phenomenon of no
  actor -- my
  interpretation -- that all actions by the body /
  mind -- known by the
  ignorant as Dr. Pete -- are simply a complex
  response mechanism with
  no doer. 
  
  Should we remove Dr Pete's feeding tubes? (Ok, I am
  being glib here --
  but its just a complex response mechanism with no
  doer.)
  
  The question is how are Dr. Pete's actions aka
  complex responses
  different from Terry Shaivo's? (aside from her's
  being better reasoned
  at times. Sorry. Its the glibness guna acting up
  again.)
 
 Well said anon (the glibness guna partand the
 rest)! Terry has a profoundly damaged brain and
 therefore a profoundly limited mind. Mostly brainstem:
 body homeostasis, orienting reflexes. An ego? I hope
 not. There is no difference between your responses
 and hers. She probably doesn't have an ego to
 falsely take ownwership of action. You're a theif and
 she's not!
 -Peter 

It takes a thief to know one? 

What leads the mind body ka Dr. Pete to conclude that the mind body ka
anon is a thief?

Wondering (or is it wandering): If there is a recognition that theft
can occur, then can theft still exit?  Thats obscure, and perhaps
inarticulate, but a real point. It would appear that only those who
are unaware of theft can be thieves -- in this context. 






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[FairfieldLife] Sense perception (was Re: soma New Vedic



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 On Mar 21, 2005, at 1:27 PM, crukstrom wrote:
 
  Now if we only had some way of determining, while not awake to/in
  Brahmin consciousness, whether another is awake to/in Brahmin
  consciousness. So many people on this list at one time thought MMY
  was awake and now they see him as a crook and a swindler. It's all
  so hilarious, isn't it?
 
 It would be a relatively straight foreword procedure to verify Brahmi 
 chetana.
 
 If they are in Brahman consciousness, then they can embody nama-rupa, 
 name-and-form, since they have overthrown duality. All we need is a 
 actual Sanskrit text or recorded recitation of Badarayana's sutras. All 
 they will need to do is utter the Sanskrit phrase or place their 
 awareness on it for them to embody this vidya (cognize the text from 
 it's source).
 
 Then they can give a commentary which refutes their darshana of Unity 
 against the Samkhya (CC) darshana and the Bhagavata/Panchavrata View 
 (GC) just as Badarayana did and Shankara comments on (i.e. Adhyaya 2). 
 It would be nice to hear their explanation of Superimposition, Adhyasa, 
 since that is what Badarayana begins with.
 
 Then it would be easy to compare their commentary to Shankara's, since 
 he derives a monist, Unity View, from Badarayana (while others got a 
 dvaita, or dualist View from it).
 
 Since they would be presenting their darshana, their POV from the 
 perspective of the *Fruit* (Phala, the actual result of being in 
 Brahman consciousness), it might be worthwhile to emphasize the last 
 adhyaya, Phala.

So we should be able to give Tom the actual Sanskrit text or recorded
recitation of Badarayana's sutras and by him place his awareness on
it, he will embody this vidya (cognize the text from it's source).
Then he can give a commentary which refutes their darshana of Unity
against the Samkhya (CC) darshana and the Bhagavata/Panchavrata View
(GC) just as Badarayana did and Shankara comments on (i.e. Adhyaya 2).
And we can hear his explanation of Superimposition, Adhyasa, since
that is what Badarayana begins with.

Would there be any other manifestations of abilites-- I think that
you mentioned placing hand through physical objects, etc. in a prior post.

And then the same process for the others who understand / live Brahaman.

How about it? Who has the text? Are you up for it Tom?










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