Re: [Felvtalk] Coco sneezing blood

[Lee Evans]

If you are living in a cold and dry area with central heating, sneezing blood, 
especially red, fresh looking blood in no great quantity, would not be unusual. 
That type of heat really dries out the mucous membrane on animals and humans.I 
always get blood when I blow my nose. This is a Winter thing even in relatively 
warm South Texas. If she is eating, drinking, pooping and all the rest of the 
things that healthy cats do, then it's probably a result of the heat, 
especially if she does not have a fever or any signs of other distress.I would 
get a vaporizer to add moisture to the air and see if that helps. The eye 
crusts are most likely oxidized tears. Some cats get that more than others, 
especially white cats who show it more. I usually wet a cotton ball and wipe it 
off gently.  

Also, sneezing is a good sign. You don't want a cat stuffed up and wheezing, 
unable to smell her food. Better out than in. However, if the vet thinks it's 
something more serious than dry air, you should follow whatever instructions he 
gives. Antibiotics are hard on the liver of a health compromised cat.
 

On Friday, January 22, 2016 12:29 AM, Kelley S  wrote:
 
 

 Hey folks
Coco went through a bad time last year where she would not eat, dropped a lot 
of weight.  We got her started eating again and she has gained 1/2 pound - from 
6.0 to 6.5 (she is a small cat, but I'd rather see her at 7).
Anyway, she is now sneezing blood.  I took her in to the vet Saturday and he 
tried one antibiotic, took her back on Wed and he gave her another antibiotic, 
which I am probably going to have to go rebuy tomorrow as I've managed to lose 
the bottle. 
Anyway - she is now sneezing blood and has a very little bit of dried matter in 
the corners of her eyes.  She is eating, drinking, pottying, playing fine.  But 
she is still sneezing blood - sometimes a fine spray and sometimes hunks of 
bloody mucus which is very unnerving. 
Has anyone had to deal with this?
Kelley and Coco
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Re: [Felvtalk] My Harley is gone

[Lee Evans]

I am so very sorry that Harley has crossed over so soon. But you did the right 
thing in helping him out of a little body that no longer allowed his spirit to 
enjoy cat pleasures. Be at peace, Harley.
Hugs, Lee
 


 On Friday, May 15, 2015 8:24 PM, Marsha  wrote:
   
 

 My sweet little FeLV+ Harley, just barely 5 years old, went to join his 
buddy Milkdud across the Rainbow Bridge today.  There is a pet cremation 
service about an hour from me that does individual cremations, and you 
can arrange to attend if you want to.  I put his catnip heart in with 
him, and a dandelion blossom, covered him with the petals from a red 
rose, and then let some of my tears drop onto him.  I sat with him 
outside in a glider chair until they were ready for him.  The weather 
was nice, and I looked out into a peaceful wooded area.  Only the very 
slightest breeze, so the rose petals didn't blow away.  I carried him 
inside when they were ready, but didn't remain for the process.  I chose 
an urn that looks like a black cat (like Harley) crouching to pounce on 
a mouse.  I may put it in his favorite hunting spot, if it doesn't upset 
Brock (Harley's FeLV+ roommate).

The last several days, Harley could only have broth (tuna juice, the 
juice from Fancy Feast Appetizers, etc.) and he had a difficult time 
getting even that down due to the growth of his cancer.  Rather than 
take the chance of him choking on his broth over the weekend, I took him 
to the vet to help him cross over.  He remained in bed nearly all the 
time the last 3 days, but thanks to his pain meds, he did enjoy some 
pets, tummy rubs, and naps in his last days.

Marsha

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[Felvtalk] Cat Tested Postive for FeLV

[Lee Evans]

I was given this stray by a person with whom I used to do rescue. I am now out 
of the rescue business and have over 30 cats who were not adoptable for one 
reason or another. They are an aging group of cats. Occasionally I would take 
in a FeLv+ cat to see if he or she would turn negative and most of them did. 
The ones who did not went on to people who understood FeLV and were willing to 
give the cat a chance at life. 

Now I do have a problem. With  this white and spotted stray, who has wonderful 
possibilities for being adopted, I do not have an isolation room. Every room in 
my house has some type of regular cat or problem group(one eyed FIV cats and 
cats who were losing weight and need extra nutrition). 

Is there anyone on the list who lives in the San Antonio/Austin area or any 
small town in this area who can foster the white cat to see if he overcomes the 
virus? He has no symptoms except he eats like a pig and is underweight, 
possibly from being an outside stray. I had a foster home for him but they are 
not going to take a leukemia positive cat and my other two homes who do accept 
leukemia  cats are over their limit already with cats who did not turn.
Thanks for any help anyone can give. I do want this lovely little cat to have a 
chance at a good life.
Lee

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Re: [Felvtalk] OT: arthritis

[Lee Evans]

For just pain, you might want to try Buprenex. It's what is given to cats after 
surgery, to keep cats comfortable. Moses, who was very old and suffering from a 
tumor in his ear extended to his mouth was given the injection form to keep him 
comfortable over three days to see if an experimental treatment of an 
anti-biotic and cortisone combination would reduce the tumor. Unfortunately it 
did not but at least Moses was free of pain. He slept most of the three days 
until I could get him back to the vet and have him helped to pass on. However, 
in very small doses, it may help control Kitty's arthritic pain. But I would 
suggest that you ask your vet about the side effects or Google it online. Most 
of the cats I have had on Buprenex were on it short term for spay or neuter 
pain, or for a longer but limited time for pain associated with surgery for 
broken limbs, and various mishaps that occurred with outside cats that I 
rescued. It does make the cats drowsy but
 maybe in small doses it will give Kitty relief from pain without turning her 
into Sleeping Beauty.   



On Friday, October 24, 2014 8:58 AM, Lance  wrote:
 

>
>
>Hi all,
>
>This has nothing to do with FeLV, but the community is so knowledgeable about 
>so many things feline that I wanted to ask. 
>
>I have a friend who has a 16 year old cat with arthritis. The vet had my 
>friend feel Kitty’s knees, and one is really knobby and arthritic. Kitty gets 
>around just fine, but she’s stiff and has a hard time jumping.
>
>The vet prescribed Metacam. I think the dose is 1.5 mg/ml or .15 mL per day. I 
>warned my friend about Metacam, and she started looking into it. She’s now 
>reluctant to use it, especially since Kitty had a minor kidney issue in the 
>past. 
>
>My friend knows about glucosamine and chondroitin, but these won’t really help 
>with the pain. Does anyone know of alternatives for arthritic pain? Has anyone 
>used Metacam to treat cats with arthritis? 
>
>Thanks!
>
>Lance
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[Felvtalk] Vanished

[Lee Evans]

Looks like a lot of people vanished from the list. Hope this doesn't happen 
again. This is a very important resource for cat rescuers and cat caregivers.
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Re: [Felvtalk] need some help/advice

[Lee Evans]

Roughy needs a transfusion if his breathing is labored. The anemia is getting 
him. Can you take him to a clinic that offers blood-matching transfusions? My 
poor Bunny had labored breathing and progressive anemia towards the end. Her 
bone marrow was not producing any red cells. Maybe you can buy some time for 
Roughy. His bone marrow may still be producing red cells but not in the 
quantity he needs. If he gets a good dose of healthy blood, it will help him 
eat again. You may need to stop the cortisone. You need a second opinion from a 
vet who is up on the latest data regarding feline leukemia. What Roughy may 
have is non-generative anemia but maybe not. He may still be in the stage of 
generating red cells. Have you treated him for fleas? Cats can also get flea 
anemia which responds well to a transfusion.



On Sunday, September 14, 2014 7:14 PM, Matt Pardo  
wrote:
 

>
>
>Thanks for the feedback, Lee. We were hoping that Roughy had turned negative 
>because we have had him for four years. He is our only FeLV+ cat and he is 
>FIV+/FeLV+. I feel like a real idiot for not getting him tested. I should have 
>been prepared for this. Right now, I am just praying we get through the 
>weekend. His breathing seems so difficult and I know he hasn’t slept very much 
>(nor have I). I am reading more about treatments and I am not sure my vet is 
>very current on treatments. He is a great vet, but he didn’t present any real 
>options. Ugh. 
> 
>From:Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee 
>Evans
>Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2014 5:54 PM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] need some help/advice
> 
>Hi Matt -  I have had several cats who turned from FeLv+ to negative. One who 
>turned back to positive after turning to negative passed away very quickly. 
>Odd case because my other "turned cat" lived to be 12 years old. He was about 
>a year old when I rescued him, he was positive and then turned negative. Lived 
>a pretty long life too, considering he had been a street cat before I got him. 
> I still have one who was both FeLv+ and FIV+. He turned negative for leukemia 
>but not for FIV but FIV is not a serious issue around my place. They usually 
>live as long as negative cats. 
> 
>I was under the impression that cats who are positive for leukemia are not 
>supposed to be given cortisone shots or oral cortisone medication. It will 
>increase a cat's appetite for a while, but not for long. Cortisone also has a 
>bad effect on the cat's kidneys if given regularly. I could not find anything 
>current on Facebook although there are a couple of pages for Leukemia positive 
>cats but no postings since 2011 and 2012. I don't think you will be getting 
>any up to the minute information on those pages.
> 
>On Sunday, September 14, 2014 12:12 PM, Matt Pardo  
>wrote:
> 
>>Hi everyone, I am new to the list. I have been looking through the archives 
>>for an answer, but haven’t found it yet. Sorry if this has been answered 
>>before. 
>> 
>>My cat, named Roughy, was a feral cat with FIV and FeLV. I have had him for 
>>about four years now with only minor infections. However, on Thursday, he 
>>didn’t eat. On Friday, I took him to the vet. The vet said he was extremely 
>>anemic…unfortunately, I was too shell shocked to ask for a copy of the lab 
>>results so I can’t say what that means. He gave him a shot of dexamethasone 
>>on Friday and gave him fluids. He seemed much better when I took him home. He 
>>gave me some dex to give him to him. I could have sworn he said one time a 
>>day, but the label says 2 times per day (every 12 hours). My concern is that 
>>I am giving him too much dex. The dosage per pill is 0.5 mg which nets to 1 
>>mg per 24 hours. Is this ok/normal? This is the first anemia I have 
>>experienced and I am really worried. Poor Roughy had a really rough night 
>>Friday. Last night was a bit better, but he still seems to be struggling. I 
>>would really appreciate it if anyone knows if that dosage
 is ok. Of course, I have tried contacting my vet, but I can’t get him. 
>> 
>>Thanks!
>> 
>>Matt
>> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] need some help/advice

[Lee Evans]

Hi Matt -  I have had several cats who turned from FeLv+ to negative. One who 
turned back to positive after turning to negative passed away very quickly. Odd 
case because my other "turned cat" lived to be 12 years old. He was about a 
year old when I rescued him, he was positive and then turned negative. Lived a 
pretty long life too, considering he had been a street cat before I got him.  I 
still have one who was both FeLv+ and FIV+. He turned negative for leukemia but 
not for FIV but FIV is not a serious issue around my place. They usually live 
as long as negative cats. 


I was under the impression that cats who are positive for leukemia are not 
supposed to be given cortisone shots or oral cortisone medication. It will 
increase a cat's appetite for a while, but not for long. Cortisone also has a 
bad effect on the cat's kidneys if given regularly. I could not find anything 
current on Facebook although there are a couple of pages for Leukemia positive 
cats but no postings since 2011 and 2012. I don't think you will be getting any 
up to the minute information on those pages.



On Sunday, September 14, 2014 12:12 PM, Matt Pardo  
wrote:
 

>
>
> 
>Hi everyone, I am new to the list. I have been looking through the archives 
>for an answer, but haven’t found it yet. Sorry if this has been answered 
>before. 
> 
>My cat, named Roughy, was a feral cat with FIV and FeLV. I have had him for 
>about four years now with only minor infections. However, on Thursday, he 
>didn’t eat. On Friday, I took him to the vet. The vet said he was extremely 
>anemic…unfortunately, I was too shell shocked to ask for a copy of the lab 
>results so I can’t say what that means. He gave him a shot of dexamethasone on 
>Friday and gave him fluids. He seemed much better when I took him home. He 
>gave me some dex to give him to him. I could have sworn he said one time a 
>day, but the label says 2 times per day (every 12 hours). My concern is that I 
>am giving him too much dex. The dosage per pill is 0.5 mg which nets to 1 mg 
>per 24 hours. Is this ok/normal? This is the first anemia I have experienced 
>and I am really worried. Poor Roughy had a really rough night Friday. Last 
>night was a bit better, but he still seems to be struggling. I would really 
>appreciate it if anyone knows if that dosage is
 ok. Of course, I have tried contacting my vet, but I can’t get him. 
> 
>Thanks!
> 
>Matt
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[Felvtalk] Vaccinations, Harley, Bats

[Lee Evans]

Unfortunately, Yahoo mail is bundling all my mail on one subject and sending 
off thousand word bundles so that they crash into the group mailbox and 
overload it. That's why I'm writing separately without the thread.

Fortunately, I have never had a cat display a bad reaction to the rabies 
vaccination even though it's given at the same time as spay/neuter surgery. 
However, consider that giving vaccinations does overload the immune system at 
least until the cat develops the required immunity. NEVER give anything but the 
rabies vaccination if the cat is going into surgery and spay/neuter is major 
surgery. Think hysterectomy and castration. In humans this would be major 
surgery. It really irks me when people seem to think it's fine to overload a 
cat or dog with a bunch of vaccinations at the same time that they are getting 
surgery and the vets go along with it gleefully because it means more money for 
them. FVRCP is OK for kittens but again, not at the time of spay/neuter surgery 
and not along with the rabies vaccination. And not if they are FeLv+ or FIV+. 
And for all you humans out there, the flu shot is less than useful in 
preventing you from catching flu. It's great
 for the manufacturers of the vaccine though. Made millions for them and it 
might protect against Asian Flu #1 but not against Asian Flu #2 and that's what 
the doctors tell you if you come back complaining that you got the flu anyway. 
Just keep sneezing cats away from your own brood and keep away from sneezing 
and coughing people during flu season. 
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[Felvtalk] Rabies Shots for Harley

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The regular rabies shot actually lasts up to 3 years for immunity. Is the 
bat still living in the garage with Harley? You should not vaccinate him every 
year. It's not necessary. Not all bats have rabies or carry 
rabies. If there are holes in the garage ceiling or rafters, get someone to 
patch them up because bats do not usually fly in the door. They will go for a 
dark hole high up. I once found a dead bat in my yard, thought the cats had 
killed it and sent the body to rabies control. The bat did not have rabies. 
However, I had all the yard cats re-vaccinated for rabies. At that time, the 
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[Felvtalk] Tested Positive Cat

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My friend just rescued a young male cat who has tested positive for FeLv. I 
usually foster these cats until they either turn or I keep them and allow them 
to live their lives in a room of their own. The problem now is that I don't 
have a room for fostering FeLv+ cats. My two spare rooms are taken with other 
emergency fosters who will be with me for the rest of their lives. One room has 
three of my own cats who lost a lot of weight due to stress. They don't much 
like being with 20 other cats in the general cat room so I had to isolate the 
Skinny Three and feed them extra. They are making a come back except for Moses. 
I intend to take him to the veterinarian this coming week. He was one of the 
FeLv+ cats who turned negative after a 3 month stay in isolation. He has been 
with me for 7 years now and is probably suffering from old age and other issues 
not related to his former FeLv status. The second foster room is taken with 
one-eyed cats who can't be
 released into my general community because they might get into fights and have 
their remaining eye injured. Fortunately they bonded with each other and enjoy 
the company and food.

What I really need is a foster home for the rescued FeLv+ cat so he will have a 
chance to turn negative. Does anyone know anyone in the vicinity of San 
Antonio, Texas to Austin, Texas who could foster the latest rescue. My friend 
has him at the vet clinic right now but she can't afford to keep him there much 
longer. If you have a friend, relative, anyone you know within a 75 mile radius 
of San Antonio, Texas who might be willing to foster or adopt, please email me 
at moonsiste...@yahoo.com. Thanks.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Charlie

[Lee Evans]

Hi - Hope you get this message. Stay away from bone marrow biopsies and 
anything else that is invasive. Sounds like Charlie may be trying to fight off 
the leukemia which may have been latent in his body. Many cats, especially 
adult cats do turn from positive to negative. The fact that he had a fever and 
high white count is a sign that his body is doing the right thing to try to 
combat some type of infection. I have had three cats who turned negative. 
Unfortunately, one who was just a year and a half turned back to positive for 
FeLv and then the disease went active. She survived for only two weeks. Poor 
Bunny. But Moses has been negative for about 7 years from the time I rescued 
him and he tested positive. I kept him isolated from the other cats for two 
months and then retested. He was negative and stayed that way. Percy was 
positive for both FeLv and FIV but turned negative for FeLv and is still 
negative after four years. I have also had the misery of
 rescuing two cats who were leukemia positive and never turned negative and 
lasted two  years with me before they went down quickly, all in a couple of 
weeks. If Charlie is still hanging in there, it may either be that he is 
fighting off the infection or fighting off another infection. Tests are not 
going to do much to increase his health. If he is happy and acting normal, 
leave him be for the time being. You can give him 1000mcg of B12 - little pink 
pill crushed into his cat food. It does wonders for cats and humans. I saved 
the life of our office cat, Franny, who lived to be 17 years old after a bout 
of hepatic lipidosis during which she went from 15 pounds to 7 pounds in the 
course of a month. Fortunately, I noticed that all the fur had no substance 
under it and rushed her to the vet where they gave her a 40% chance to live. I 
syringe fed her for a month, mixing the 1000mcg tablet of B-12 with a jar of 
baby food chicken every day as her supplement
 and then a blended can of Iams chicken cat food daily. Lots of work but had a 
live cat afterwards.




On Tuesday, June 17, 2014 3:34 PM, Margo  wrote:
 

>
>
>
>
>
>Dear Emily,
>
>          I'm sorry, I'm not getting the emails for some reason, didn't see 
>this until it was tagged on dlgegg's answer.
>
>          Have you considered ImmunoRegulin, or Interferon? DMG? I have two 
>positive cats on Interferon, and ImmunoRegulin at the Vet's office in case of 
>a crash (knock on wood we never need it.)
>
>http://www.felineleukemia.org/ireginfo.html
>
>          I used Zeniquin instead of Baytril when Gribble first crashed, but 
>it's the same family. I would continue that, if the Vet is willing.
>
>          NO STEROIDS, please. The last thing you want to do is immune 
>suppress an immuno-compromised cat. Since he's doing well, I would start him 
>on Interferon and DMG. Can't hurt, might help. Seemed to work for my guys.
>
>Good luck, let us know how it goes. Best to Charlie 
>
>Margo
>
>
>
>
>
>> Hi everyone,
>> >
>> > I'm looking for some help in determining next steps for our cat Charlie.
>> > We adopted our beloved Charlie three years ago from a shelter. He is now
>> > about four years old. We found out in December while doing routine tests
>> > that he has feline leukemia (at the time trying to figure out the cause of
>> > his IBS- switching his food ended up doing the trick). We were quite
>> > surprised- at the time the only symptom that matched were his gums were
>> > relatively inflamed.
>> >
>> > At the end of March / beginning of April Charlie became ill. He lost
>> > weight and became lethargic. He kept eating but needed me to keep bringing
>> > his food to him in order for him to eat. He underwent different tests- the
>> > xrays/blood tests showed that his organs were fine. There was however some
>> > bacteria in his urine and so we thought it might be an infection. He also
>> > had a slight fever and his white blood cell count was low. We tried him on
>> > an injectable antibiotic initially which didn't help, but then switched him
>> > to Baytril to which he has responded really well.
>> >
>> > Charlie started to become sick again once he finished his first round of
>> > Baytril, and so we put him back on the antibiotic. He also underwent more
>> > tests- this time there was no bacteria in his urine but his white blood
>> > cell count was still low. Since this time he has stayed on Baytril (we
>> > tried him on a stronger antibiotic but he couldn't stomach it and so we
>> > stayed put).
>> >
>> > Charlie for the past few weeks has seemed incredibly well. He is vibrant,
>> > affectionate, and he eats incredibly well (he's even put on a pound).
>> > However, his white blood cell count is plummeting. He went from a 3.1 on
>> > April 2nd, to a 2.7 on May 27th, to 1.8 on June 13th.
>> >
>> > At this point it seems as though this isn't the result of an infection,
>> > but the progression of his leukemia. Our vet has presented us with some
>> > options moving forward but I'm not su

Re: [Felvtalk] urgent question on FELV tests/vax

[Lee Evans]

I had the same thing happen this past year in October when I moved Bunny, a 
rescue who had turned from positive to negative and had stayed negative for 3 
months after into my home office where two of my other cats reside because one 
of them had an eye infection that needed treatment and then I found that his 
sister was hiding in a kitchen drawer, terrified of the rest of my inside cat 
community. Well, Bunny lived a year with Samson and Delilah. This past October, 
she began acting tired, eating less and sleeping more and no longer pestering 
Samson and Delilah or sleeping with us on the bed. It took a week for me to 
realize that something was very wrong. I took her to the vet and she tested 
positive for FeLv. She passed away less than a week later, in spite of intense 
antibiotic treatment and supportive vitamin injections. I am left with the 
question of did either of the other two cats or both contract the disease? I am 
not going to test because there is
 nothing I can do if they did contract it and I don't have the financial 
resources to pay for tests. I do not vaccinate because I have had the 
experience both with cats and myself that vaccines can do more harm than good. 
Also, I tend to agree with the "barn door" theory that the vet put out. None of 
the other cats in the other part of the house were exposed, except by me 
walking back and forth. I washed my hands frequently so as not to pass the 
disease around, if that is possible.

I am just going to allow Sam and Dee to live the best quality lives they can 
and hope for the best and longest time they can enjoy their stay on this 
planet. Fortunately, cats do not agonize about illness or death like humans do 
so they are blissfully happy, as was Bunny before the disaster struck. It was a 
blessing that she was not ill for long. She was feeling chipper up until two 
weeks before the FeLv returned and then the downhill slide was quick. I was 
with her the whole time. I did not isolate her
 but kept her in her familiar environment where she slept most of the time in a 
prepared bed on the floor until she slept forever.





On Saturday, January 11, 2014 12:24 PM, Margo  
wrote:
 

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>
>Hi KG
>
>   
         I'm not sure I understand, so bear with me. Is the newly positive cat 
from the colony? If so, what are your plans, depending an the results? How many 
cats are you talking about? I went thru the same dilemma last year, and it was 
not easy. Short version, I talked to my Vet, and did a LOT of research about 
vaccinating and testing. For the group of cats that were living with the 
positive cat, her opinion on vaccinating them was "that ship has sailed". 
They'd been together for more than 2 years, so she felt any transmission would 
have already occurred. She did want to test them, but I declined. Couldn't see 
the benefit. Of course, when anyone gets sick, they will be tested, as I now 
handle the +'s differently. They remain separate from the other groups. I have 
added two cats to the group, both were vaccinated, twice, before introduction. 
I would vaccinate twice, 3 weeks apart. I have not found any source that 
indicates that a
 single vaccine in an adult is enough, but that may be a judgment call.
>
>The Snap takes three drops of blood per test, so you need to be able to draw 
>blood. Ear nicks probably won't do, unfortunately. 
>
>http://www.drugs.com/vet/snap-combo-felv-ag-fiv-antibody-test-kit.html
>
>The well tests say they can be done with saliva, which might be easier, but I 
>have read they are not always as accurate that way.
>
>Assure 
>http://www.amazon.com/Synbiotics-ASSURE-Leukemia-Virus-Antigen/dp/B00061MOCU
>
>               Both are available at Revival;
>
>http://www.revivalanimal.com/?ic_location=header&ic_name=homelogo
>
>               but may be cheaper elsewhere.
>
>               Has the newly positive cat been re-tested? I'd wait a month and 
>test again, at least. False positives can occur. I did vaccinate everyone who 
>might come into casual contact, because that was much cheaper  than re-testing 
>AND vaccinating.
>
>I wish you the best. I thought I had a houseful of confirmed negative cats, 
>and then this. Heartbreaking.
>
>Margo
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>>From: KG BarnCats 
>>Sent: Jan 11, 2014 10:26 AM
>>To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
>>Subject: [Felvtalk] urgent question on FELV tests/vax
>>
>>Seeking advice and best places to shop.
>>
>>In addition to a small phydically isolated of FELV+ cats, I care for a
>>large colony of cats.  These are all fixed, all previously tested
>>negative and mostly adult.  They range from friendly to full feral.
>>A few were FELV vaccinated a couple years back.
>>
>>One previously negative diabetic cat has fallen ill and just re-tested
>>positive, after a host of other tests and treatments over the last two
>>months.   I don't have the money to test and vax everyone at the vet.
>>So I am looking for the most cost efficient way to test and vax.
>>
>>Is it pos

Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis

[Lee Evans]

The problem could be that an infected tooth broke off at the root, covered with 
overgrown gum and is festering inside, causing jaw and lymph problems. She 
definitely needs an antibiotic shot, maybe the Convenia since it would be 
difficult to pill her.

I have older cats with stomatitis but I have never seen them have difficulty 
yawning. Mostly, they drool or have their tongue sticking out a bit. They also 
may shake their head like they have a toothache or paw at their cheek on the 
affected side. 

Has she been checked for salivary gland tumor, ear infection on the side that 
bothers her, thyroid growths? When did you first notice the symptoms and what 
was happening to her or to the environment at the time? Was she fed fresh fish, 
maybe with a stray fish bone? Cooked chicken maybe with a chicken bone splinter?

It has been my experience that some vets just randomly pick the closest and 
quickest matching diagnosis they can find and throw it at you as they take your 
money. Even physicians for humans tend to do this at times if they are puzzled 
and then your cat or you get treated for the absolutely wrong thing while the 
actual situation worsens with time.





On Saturday, December 21, 2013 7:16 AM, Lorrie  
wrote:
 
Read below...
>
>
>On 12-20, Jennifer Lewis wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> My poor Bryyn is having an awful time. Does anyone have experience with
>> severe mouth pain? I've been told by vets that she's too young for
>> stomatitis, but she's having a horrific time.
>> 
>> My vet prescribed prednisone, but not only does it not seem to help, we're
>> leery of it for the long term and honestly can't afford it.
>> 
>> It seemed to be mostly jaw/lymph related as she would freak when yawning,
>> but it's getting worse and I'm beside myself. She also has awful breath
>> which makes me think as well it may be stomatitis.
>> 
>> Please help!
>> Jen
>
>Jen, I don't believe stomatitis is only a problem in older cats.
>Some cats that are quite young have it.  I have delt with it and
>it is difficult to deal with.  Vets usually alternate between pred.
>and antibiotics, and in worse case scenario all the cats teeth must
>be removed, which is quite costly.  Howvever since you mention this
>jaw/lymph connection I'd definitely get another opinion. It may not
>be her teeth at all.
>
>
>Lorrie
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Suzy's Zoo in SC

[Lee Evans]

In Arizona, The Hermitage Cat Shelter takes in a few cats whose caregivers 
don't expect to outlive their feline companions. They charge around $1,500 for 
lifetime care.





On Sunday, January 5, 2014 8:10 AM, Lorrie  wrote:
 
Never heard of it and I've been researching sanctuarys for years.
>Do they have a website?  Make sure they are legitimate and also
>charge at least $1,000 UP  (mostly up) per cat as the ones who 
>charge to little for the lifetime care of a cat will usually end
>up with too many cats and get shut down.
>
>Lorrie
>
>
>On 01-04, Heather wrote:
>> Hello, wondering if anyone has been to or has experience with this 
>> sanctuary? A friend may contact them about a kitty she rescued. 
>> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] euthanized Shallie Marie, yesterday the last of "my"

[Lee Evans]

Sorry for your loss. She had a life that she would not have had if you hadn't 
been there for her. Eventually, it gets less painful. My thoughts are with you.





On Saturday, January 4, 2014 1:53 PM, czadna sacarawicz 
 wrote:
 
 
>   * six that tested positive in March 2010.
>   * 
>   * Thanks for being with us - - lights in the darkness.  I had suspected 
> she was crashing.  Vets thought it was dental . . .   two weeks later.  will 
> leave it there.
>   * 
>   * Now she joins her intrepid son Isaac, Mama and Luscious, Torie Rose 
> and BreAnne.  
>
>cz
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Re: [Felvtalk] Turning neg. then pos.

[Lee Evans]

My veterinarian said that it was probably a false negative. However, HE was the 
one who administered the test and I asked him to do it twice at the time, two 
different tests because I planned to put her in my bedroom with two cats who 
would be in close contact with her. Bunny was a mischief maker and might have 
fought with the cats in main area (around 20 cats there) so I figured I would 
place her where I could watch her. Now I feel that I endangered the lives of 
Samson and his sister Delilah. The odd thing is that Bunny suddenly stopped 
sleeping on the bed with us and began hanging out in the dressing room on the 
garden tub about 3 weeks before she became noticeably ill. That's where the 
food, water and litter box is. I assumed that she got disgusted with Delilah 
always hissing at her. Bunny was the alpha cat though and took over Samson and 
the bed, leaving Delilah to sit on a chair or lounge behind my computer 
monitor. I think that Bunny was already
 not feeling well when she moved away from the other two cats. It took a week 
before I noticed that Bunny was no longer as energetic and mischievous as she 
used to be. She was not trying to destroy the earphones that go with my iPod. 
She was not pulling paper out of my computer printer. Then she was not eating 
as much as she was used to eating. Finally, I could see that she was ill. I 
took her to the vet and asked for a retest. My worst fears were realized. She 
was FeLv+. He tried antibiotics and cortisone, which helped for a few days 
before she again went downhill. She passed away on Oct. 31 while I sat near her 
and talked softly to her about how much I loved her. Samson and Delilah lay on 
the bed. They were quiet except for some soft purring. I still can't stop 
crying. 

I don't know what went wrong. I have two other positive to negative cats.
 Both are doing well. Percy was also FIV+ so he's with my small FIV colony in a 
little house on my property, with a wired in porch so everyone gets to bird 
watch and have fresh air and all are safe. Percy had a really bad mystery 
illness around February of 2013 but antibiotics and eye medication cured it and 
he gained back all the weight he lost. When he became ill, I had him retested 
but he was still negative for FeLv. Moses is old. I've had him for about 7 
years and he was no kitten when I got him. He was about 2 and went from 
positive to negative in 4 months. He has not been ill since although he lost 
some weight because the other cats in the large group didn't allow him to eat 
and he's not an alpha cat. I have him and two other skinny boys in a separate 
"feeding room" where they get canned food along with the dry. The general 
population does not get canned food. I can't afford it. So Moses has gained 
back some weight as have the other two little
 wimps. All are older
 cats. They get along fine. Every room it seems has another group of special 
needs cats. I will still recommend testing for cats being placed in foster 
homes because I think that Bunny's case was an isolated one. Sometimes a cat 
can test negative at first and then after incubating the virus, will test 
positive. I don't really know. I'm not taking in any more cats. I'm too tired, 
poor and old and I'm going to have to witness the passing of all the cats that 
I live with now. I don't want any extras.





On Wednesday, December 25, 2013 6:18 AM, Lorrie  
wrote:
 
On 12-24, Lee Evans wrote:
>> ...   had FeLv. She
 turned negative for a whole year, 
>>           then suddenly turned  positive. 
>
>Wow Lee, I have never had that happen. My cats have either been
>FelV neg. or positive, or positive, later turning turning negative
>and staying that way. Do you have any explanation for what happened
>with your cat?
>
>Lorrie
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Prayers needed for Bear

[Lee Evans]

You are doing everything possible. I am visualizing a healthy little Bear for 
Christmas and for the year. Much love to you. I know how you feel. My sweet 
Bunny girl passed on my birthday of this year. Somehow it's more difficult if 
it's on a special day or time of year. But she had FeLv. She turned negative 
for a whole year, then suddenly turned positive. On the other paw, all my FIV+ 
cats seem to live normal, long lives so there's hope for Bear if he can get 
through this crisis. A transfusion is very good. It will give his body a chance 
to turn things around without too much stress on his organs.





On Tuesday, December 24, 2013 6:15 PM, "lernermiche...@aol.com" 
 wrote:
 
Turns out it does not look like FIP, looks like hemolytic anemia, where he is 
killing off his own red blood cells, and the vet simply did not keep him on a 
high enough dose of immune-suppressants so he crashed again. Now he is really 
bad. I don't know what his chances are at this point, but I do not think they 
are good, though the vets say he can turn around. He just got a transfusion and 
they are starting him on cyclosporine, a stronger immune suppressant. And 
doxycycline.
> 
>Please send him prayers. He is FIV+, not FeLV+, though he has had as many 
>issues as my FeLV cats did. I got back on this list looking for feline 
>interferon, which I don't need, but one thing I know this list is good for is 
>prayers. Please pray it's a good Christmas for Bear and he responds well to 
>the transfusion and the cyclosporine. 
> 
>thank you,
>Michelle
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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Bite

[Lee Evans]

Well, this is the real American Dream, to be able to treat yourself like a fish 
if you haven't any money while those who have money are keeping most of us from 
being treated like humans due to overpricing of medications and very little 
affordable health insurance.  AndI'm off my soap box and back to my litter 
boxes. 





On Monday, December 16, 2013 6:26 AM, Lorrie  wrote:
 
I use vet, bird, aquarium antibiotics frequently. They are exactly
>the same as human drugs and you save a bundle of money!
>
>Lorrie
>
>On 12-15, Jill Eisenbraun wrote:
>
>> I recently had an abscessed tooth and treated it with aquarium
>> antibiotics, the triple sulfa powder you can buy in any aquarium shop.
>> Worked like a charm and only cost me $13!
>> 
>> Jill and kitties
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Re: [Felvtalk] on another note...

[Lee Evans]

With Callie's weird stools, I don't feel it would be lymphoma. More likely, if 
it happens on a schedule, as you said every few weeks, it's environmental. Does 
your mom have the house cleaned with something that Callie could inhale or 
ingest? Does she buy different cat foods for the cats? Maybe run out of one cat 
food, buy another every few weeks? Check out things like that.

Well, I'm not a big fan of testing any more. My poor Bunny was tested when she 
was brought to me and was positive for FeLv. I kept her more than the required 
time, retested and she was negative. We all cheered. She lived with me a little 
under a year from then. She came as an 8 month old teen, was spayed and given 
the rabies vaccine. Stayed healthy after her retest until October of this year. 
Then she just faded. She stopped playing, stopped being a silly nuisance to 
Delilah and Samson and finally stopped eating. I took her to the vet because I 
noticed her gums looked pale. Not flea anemia. He retested her and she was 
positive for FeLv. He explained that maybe the first test was a false negative 
or maybe the virus was lurking in the bone marrow as well as the regular place 
in the blood. He gave her a vitamin shot, gave her anti-biotic shot and she 
seemed to rally for a couple of days, ate a bit, then on Oct. 31 she just lay 
down in the bed I made for her
 on the floor and passed away. So, tests are just that - tests but they are not 
crystal balls and can't predict what will happen to a cat in the future when it 
comes to FeLv. Bunny would have been two years old in April, 2014. On the other 
hand, Moses, who overcame the positive FeLv diagnosis and turned negative, is 
still with me after 7 years.





On Sunday, December 15, 2013 5:10 PM, Lance  wrote:
 
The bite seems to be about the same as it was yesterday, though maybe a little 
less red where the actual teeth penetration occurred. Fortunately, no pink 
lines are other odd marks have showed up near the wound. I didn’t go to the 
clinic, since things look like they’re doing well. My health has been a little 
funky for the last six months, but I feel like my immune system is in 
reasonably good shape. 
>
>Anyway, some of you may remember that my FeLV+ (Ember) probably bit an FeLV- 
>(Callie) who hasn’t been vaccinated since her kitten days seven years ago. 
>Callie, who was almost definitely FeLV- before this encounter, tested negative 
>at 37 days post-exposure, but she wasn’t retested at the usual 90 day mark. 
>She’s my mom’s cat, and my mom is reluctant to test. I think she just doesn’t 
>want to know. While I understand that, the anxiety from not knowing 
>occasionally really gets to me, and there are things we could do for Callie to 
>prolong her life, despite what my parents seem to think.
>
>Callie has had bouts of diarrhea since the encounter. I don’t know if she had 
>anything like this before it, as I didn’t really pay close attention to that 
>aspect of her life. She had frequent runny poops in June and July (around the 
>time of the negative FeLV test), then the frequency went down, **as far as I 
>know and have been told**. 
>
>Since around August, the runny poops hit daily for one to three days every 
>three to four weeks. Again, this is from what I can gather. Earlier today, 
>Callie had a normal poop, but in the same bowel movement, there was some 
>watery stool on top of the normal stuff. If she’s positive, what could this 
>be, other than lymphoma? If she ISN’T positive, then what might this be? Very 
>odd that it happens every few weeks.
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>Lance
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Re: [Felvtalk] OT: cat bite

[Lee Evans]

Probably a good wash with antibacterial soap and a dousing with peroxide will 
hold you until you can get some Augmentin. You should always keep a supply 
around for those times when you can't resist getting between two fighting cats. 
Which I have done numerous times. Then the two attack me, think it's a real 
giggle when I scream and walk away with their tails twined around each other, 
discussing what bad language I use in times of stress.

Usually seeing red streaks coming from the site of the wound is a very bad 
sign. If the swelling persists also, that's not good either. If you know you 
are sensitive to cat saliva, you should wash the bite site off thoroughly, use 
the peroxide. Salt water is antiseptic too so you might want to rinse with 
salted water, then rinse with fresh water, then peroxide. Leave the wound 
exposed to the air.if it's not bleeding profusely. Go the the doctor to get 
your anti-biotic fix.





On Sunday, December 15, 2013 12:50 PM, Gloria  wrote:
 
Right lol - I'd forgotten that Clavamox is the same stuff (or similar?) to 
>Augmentin, just that it's the veterinary form.
>
>
>-Original Message- 
>From: Margo
>Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2013 8:37 AM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT: cat bite
>
>
>
>I'll weigh in with soap and water, betadine flush, topical antibiotic and 
>Augmentin (tho it's usually the Clavamox form I have around) or Cephalexin.
>
>Margo
>
>
>-Original Message-
>>From: "Gloria B. Lane" 
>>Sent: Dec 14, 2013 11:54 PM
>>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT: cat bite
>>
>>Just had to add my 2 cents.  Lance, I always prefer Augmentin, and it's 
>>always worked well for me.  I usually clean the bite with cold water and 
>>hydrogen peroxide, and if I see the red lines creeping up my hand and arm, 
>>I head for the doctor (started to say vet) and get some Augmentin. One 
>>tried to give me something else, I forget what, but it irritated my 
>>sensitive tummy and I went back for Augmentin.  Fortunately haven't had a 
>>bite in a long time :)
>>
>>Glad yours is doing well.
>>
>>Gloria
>>
>>
>>
>>On Dec 14, 2013, at 7:56 PM, Christiane Biagi wrote:
>>
>>> Listen, I had one cat, the late great Little Boy, who bit me twice over 
>>> the
>>> years and each time I had to spend the night in the hospital for iv
>>> antibiotics.  Thing is some cats have this bacteria in their mouth
>>> (Pasteurella multocida) and he was one of them.  If that bacteria gets 
>>> into
>>> your bloodstream, it can quickly lead to sepsis.  He was the only cat I 
>>> had
>>> who had that bugger and he was sweet as pie but a bite was a bad thing.
>>> Look for a red line going u your arm...if you start seeing it--go to 
>>> eroom
>>> as you want to stop infection from hitting lymph nodes and causing 
>>> sepsis.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
>>> Lance
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 7:08 PM
>>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>> Subject: [Felvtalk] OT: cat bite
>>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> During play, one of our cats bit me earlier today. I tried to get to an
>>> urgent care clinic, but they decided to stop seeing people at 4:30 pm.
>>> despite listing hours as 9-5. Real nice. ;-)
>>>
>>> Anyway, I'm wondering how worried I should be. A lovely pic of the bite 
>>> can
>>> be seen here:
>>>
>>> https://www.evernote.com/shard/s201/sh/fc76bb30-31ff-40ed-80b1-4f499d5461e4/
>>> 4adec821f3519913f482848c4c5f730b
>>>
>>> It seems much more superficial and "scratchy" rather than being a deep
>>> puncture wound, and FYI, you're looking at my right arm about two inches
>>> above my elbow.
>>>
>>> We have doxycycline in the house, but the last time I was bitten, I took
>>> augmentin. Would prefer to do that, but I'm out of luck for the night,
>>> unless I feel like a high-costing trip to the ER (I'm currently
>>> inusrance-less, as luck would have it).
>>>
>>> Has anyone used doxy for cat bites? What symptoms around the bite should 
>>> I
>>> be looking for that indicate its seriousness? I can get in to the urgent
>>> clinic tomorrow morning at 9, and the bite happened this afternoon at 
>>> 3:45.
>>> Hopefully that gives me a little time. I know that none of you are MDs
>>> (well, I don't know that for sure), but would appreciate input.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Lance
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Re: [Felvtalk] Topical Flea Control

[Lee Evans]

Food grade diatomaceous earth is just that - food grade. No tiny pieces. It's 
as fine as talcum powder and I have used it on my enclosure floors in my 
outside cat sanctuary with excellent results and no problems with either my 
breathing or any of my cats, including the older cats. But it must say "food 
grade" on the bag. Mine shows a picture of a cow. It's used as a calcium 
supplement in livestock.





On Tuesday, December 3, 2013 9:17 PM, Lee Evans  wrote:
 
I think there are Super Fleas in Texas this year. I treated my fur kids with 
Frontline Plus and they just kept on scratching. Next is to wash, vacuum 
floors, change the covers on their sleeping places again and treat the floor 
with the diamatom earth and see what happens. I'm going to rub a little on one 
of the cats and see if the scratching stops. My outdoor cats don't seem to have 
this problem.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 1:19 PM, "gbl...@aristotle.net" 
> wrote:
> 
>Right I've heard bad things about Advantage Multi. 
>>
>>Gloria
>>
>>Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Nov 27, 2013, at 11:19 AM, trustinhi...@charter.net wrote:
>>> 
>>> You don't have to put the full dose on the kitty to get some results. I 
>>> also use program on some of my cats that I cannot put a topical on. Foster 
>>> and Smith carries Program and you can order it online. I go to their outlet 
>>> store in Rhinelander, WI and get it for a reduced price when some packages 
>>> are damaged. I wouldn't do advantage
 multi...very strong. But I have used Revolution and Frontline in the past with 
good results. I also vacuum with regular table salt and/or baking soda on the 
carpets...kills the luittle buggers cause their eggs dry up. Just apply a 
little salt/baking soda, wait 30 minutes and vacuum. Carolyn
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 2:49 PM, Tracey Shrout wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I use program suspension, and have used it for many years with excellent
>>>> results. They do not make it here in the US anymore, it comes from the UK,
>>>> and I get it from amazon.  It is one of the least toxic flea treatments
>>>> available, and that's why I use it.  It's a creamy substance that you mix
>>>> in their food.  I have 6 cats, and they eat it willingly...no problems.
>>>> I've heard they shut down the plant here in the US because of cleanliness.
>>>> I would never put a topical on a felv+ cat.  Be sure to change bedding
>>>> daily or at least every other day and vacuum like crazy.  You could also
>>>> look into the food grade diatomaceous earth...it takes some time and effort
>>>> to work though.  Good luck...Tracey
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 2:26 PM, Michelle B  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am having a crazy hard time keeping fleas off of my FeLV foster. I do
>>>>> flea comb at least once a day and keep everything very clean but they 
>>>>> won't
>>>>> go away. I hate the thought of putting a topical on her because her nodes
>>>>> are huge and her immune sytem is already compromised but I know these 
>>>>> fleas
>>>>> are no good either. I have no idea how they can still be on her because I
>>>>> have been so aggressive.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Has anyone researched topicals for + cats? Like are there any that are
>>>>> 'safer' than others? I was thinking of trying Revolution on herthat 
>>>>> way
>>>>> it it will keep away fleas, ticks, earmites, etc. Thoughts? She is 7 
>>>>> months
>>>>> old and healthy considering.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Topical Flea Control

[Lee Evans]

I think there are Super Fleas in Texas this year. I treated my fur kids with 
Frontline Plus and they just kept on scratching. Next is to wash, vacuum 
floors, change the covers on their sleeping places again and treat the floor 
with the diamatom earth and see what happens. I'm going to rub a little on one 
of the cats and see if the scratching stops. My outdoor cats don't seem to have 
this problem.





On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 1:19 PM, "gbl...@aristotle.net" 
 wrote:
 
Right I've heard bad things about Advantage Multi. 
>
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>> On Nov 27, 2013, at 11:19 AM, trustinhi...@charter.net wrote:
>> 
>> You don't have to put the full dose on the kitty to get some results. I also 
>> use program on some of my cats that I cannot put a topical on. Foster and 
>> Smith carries Program and you can order it online. I go to their outlet 
>> store in Rhinelander, WI and get it for a reduced price when some packages 
>> are damaged. I wouldn't do advantage multi...very strong. But I have used 
>> Revolution and Frontline in the past with good results. I also vacuum with 
>> regular table salt and/or baking soda on the carpets...kills the luittle 
>> buggers cause their eggs dry up. Just apply a little salt/baking soda, wait 
>> 30 minutes and vacuum. Carolyn
>> 
>> 
>>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 2:49 PM, Tracey Shrout wrote:
>>> 
>>> I use program suspension, and have used it for many years with excellent
>>> results. They do not make it here in the US anymore, it comes from the UK,
>>> and I get it from amazon.  It is one of the least toxic flea treatments
>>> available, and that's why I use it.  It's a creamy substance that you mix
>>> in their food.  I have 6 cats, and they eat it willingly...no problems.
>>> I've heard they shut down the plant here in the US because of cleanliness.
>>> I would never put a topical on a felv+ cat.  Be sure to change bedding
>>> daily or at least every other day and vacuum like crazy.  You could also
>>> look into the food grade diatomaceous earth...it takes some time and effort
>>> to work though.  Good luck...Tracey
>>> 
>>> 
 On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 2:26 PM, Michelle B  wrote:
 
 I am having a crazy hard time keeping fleas off of my FeLV foster. I do
 flea comb at least once a day and keep everything very clean but they won't
 go away. I hate the thought of putting a topical on her because her nodes
 are huge and her immune sytem is already compromised but I know these fleas
 are no good either. I have no idea how they can still be on her because I
 have been so aggressive.
 
 Has anyone researched topicals for + cats? Like are there any that are
 'safer' than others? I was thinking of trying Revolution on herthat way
 it it will keep away fleas, ticks, earmites, etc. Thoughts? She is 7 months
 old and healthy considering.
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Topical Flea Control

[Lee Evans]

I would cautiously use diatomaceous earth, food grade type, rubbing it into her 
fur. It's basically a calcium supplement for cattle but it kills fleas 
instantly by drying out their soft underside. I would also spread it in 
carpets, her bedding, and sweep it over all floors where she has access. You 
can vacuum it up if you like but I usually simply leave a thin layer on. But DO 
comb it out of her fur after you leave it there about 10 minutes so her skin 
won't get dry.  I stopped a zillion fleas dead in their tracks in my small cat 
sanctuary (large shed with outside enclosure) by spreading this over the 
floors. Nothing else helped and I was polka dot fleas from ankle to waist every 
time I went in there even though I had treated the cats with Frontline Plus. 
Along came a friend and brought me 12 pounds of the Diatom-Earth and bye-bye 
fleas overnight. Be careful not to get it into her eyes or up her nose and 
don't you inhale it either. It's a very fine
 powder and NEVER use the regular type of diatomaceous earth. Only use the food 
grade and don't fluff it around. Spread it gently and thinly.





On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 2:49 PM, Tracey Shrout  wrote:
 
I use program suspension, and have used it for many years with excellent 
results. They do not make it here in the US anymore, it comes from the UK, and 
I get it from amazon.  It is one of the least toxic flea treatments available, 
and that's why I use it.  It's a creamy substance that you mix in their food.  
I have 6 cats, and they eat it willingly...no problems. I've heard they shut 
down the plant here in the US because of cleanliness.  I would never put a 
topical on a felv+ cat.  Be sure to change bedding daily or at least every 
other day and vacuum like crazy.  You could also look into the food grade 
diatomaceous earth...it takes some time and effort to work though.  Good 
luck...Tracey
>
>
>
>On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 2:26 PM, Michelle B  wrote:
>
>I am having a crazy hard time keeping fleas off of my FeLV foster. I do flea 
>comb at least once a day and keep everything very clean but they won't go 
>away. I hate the thought of putting a topical on her because her nodes are 
>huge and her immune sytem is already compromised but I know these fleas are no 
>good either. I have no idea how they can still be on her because I have been 
>so aggressive.
>>
>>Has anyone researched topicals for + cats? Like are there any that are 
>>'safer' than others? I was thinking of trying Revolution on herthat way 
>>it it will keep away fleas, ticks, earmites, etc. Thoughts? She is 7 months 
>>old and healthy considering.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Best litter for FeLV?

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I'm not very enthusiastic about clumping litter. If you use it properly, you 
have to use the whole darn bag to get it to clump properly and not turn into a 
cement block because you did not use enough. If you use the whole bag, it's 
very expensive because when you scoop the clumps, the litter MUST be replaced, 
again to get it to clump properly and not glue itself to the litter box. If you 
replace it you spend more money. If you use the generic store brand, you get 40 
pound clumps that eventually bond together and need to be disposed of in an 
industrial waste dump. LOL. Not everything that is advertised is really as 
magical as it seems to be.





On , Lee Evans  wrote:
 
Have you had a check-up on his heart. Sometimes coughing is due to mild cardiac 
problems. Otherwise, do you use anything scented like laundry detergent. I 
always use free/clear because I don't like to breathe chemicals along with my 
blankets. Rug cleaning, change of dish detergent, anything that would add some 
sort of fumes to the air might be a problem for any cat, not only FeLv+. Cough 
can also be due to spasm in throat. Maybe he eats too fast or too much at a 
time. or something that sort of sticks in his throat. I get a spasm from eating 
certain foods, like bread or potatoes.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>On Sunday, November 10, 2013 2:19 PM, Lance  wrote:
> 
>+1 for Feline Pine.
>>
>>On Nov 10, 2013, at 2:05 PM, Beth  wrote:
>>
>>Hi Tina -
>>>
>>>SWeat Scoop also harden to a cement-like texture that is horribly difficult 
>>>to get out . I had to take a hammer to it.
>>>You might want to try Feline Pine. Some cats don't like the texture, but it 
>>>doesn't have the dust. Also World's Best (corn based) or the new Blue 
>>>Buffalo (Walnut Based). My cats & I like the BB best. 
>>>I also if your litter box is covered, but that can cause asthmatic problems.
>>>
>>>Beth
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Tina Smith 
>>>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>>>Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 9:56 AM
>>>Subject: [Felvtalk] Best litter for FeLV?
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>Hi all,
>>>
>>>
>>>I have an FeLV+ kitty.  He has been mostly healthy but is currently going 
>>>through something that is causing a lot of coughing.  We have noticed that 
>>>he seems sensitive to the drier air of winter and perhaps has some 
>>>environmental allergies.  In addition to other things we are doing I am 
>>>trying to find a dust-free cat litter for him.  Last night I spent a small 
>>>fortune on SWheatScoop litter and was appalled to see all of the dust that 
>>>went flying when we put it in his litter pan.  So much for dust-free.  Has 
>>>anyone here had luck finding a litter that is good to use for our FeLV+ 
>>>sweeties?
>>>
>>>
>>>I'll also tell you a little more about what he's going through in case 
>>>anybody has some insight into what might be causing it.  The vet wasn't 
>>>helpful.  Just gave him a Convenia antibiotic injection but couldn't say 
>>>what the problem might be except possibly pleural effusion.  Darwin is 
>>>coughing a lot - a little like the "hairball cough" but not exactly.  He 
>>>seems to be breathing mostly okay through his nose, although I have noticed 
>>>occasionally that there does seem to be a little congestion.  There has been 
>>>no open-mouth breathing.  He had a bout of diarrhea for a couple of days 
>>>this past week but seemed to get over that.  Now I think he might actually 
>>>be constipated.  When he coughs nothing comes out but he does swallow as if 
>>>he has coughed a little something up and then swallows it. I have almost 
>>>wondered if he might have an obstruction but it does seem to be affecting 
>>>his breathing some.  I haven't been able to pinpoint any triggers.  He
 has coughed after drinking water, he has coughed when the heat was on, he has 
coughed right after using the litter box.  But he has also coughed when he's 
just resting on the bed and nothing is going on.
>>>
>>>
>>>Any insight would be so welcome.
>>>
>>>
>>>Thank you,
>>>Tina Smith
>>>
>>>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Best litter for FeLV?

[Lee Evans]

Feline does not have dust when pouring but it turns into a find yellow powder 
after it breaks down. It's nice and inexpensive where I am because I get pine 
pellets from a local feed store at $6 for 40#. But it takes a lot of sweeping 
up after it's used for a while.





On Sunday, November 10, 2013 2:05 PM, Beth  wrote:
 
Hi Tina -
>
>SWeat Scoop also harden to a cement-like texture that is horribly difficult to 
>get out . I had to take a hammer to it.
>You might want to try Feline Pine. Some cats don't like the texture, but it 
>doesn't have the dust. Also World's Best (corn based) or the new Blue Buffalo 
>(Walnut Based). My cats & I like the BB best. 
>I also if your litter box is covered, but that can cause asthmatic problems.
>
>Beth
>
>
>
> 
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> 
>
>
>
>
> From: Tina Smith 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 9:56 AM
>Subject: [Felvtalk] Best litter for FeLV?
> 
>
>
>Hi all,
>
>
>I have an FeLV+ kitty.  He has been mostly healthy but is currently going 
>through something that is causing a lot of coughing.  We have noticed that he 
>seems sensitive to the drier air of winter and perhaps has some environmental 
>allergies.  In addition to other things we are doing I am trying to find a 
>dust-free cat litter for him.  Last night I spent a small fortune on 
>SWheatScoop litter and was appalled to see all of the dust that went flying 
>when we put it in his litter pan.  So much for dust-free.  Has anyone here had 
>luck finding a litter that is good to use for our FeLV+ sweeties?
>
>
>I'll also tell you a little more about what he's going through in case anybody 
>has some insight into what might be causing it.  The vet wasn't helpful.  Just 
>gave him a Convenia antibiotic injection but couldn't say what the problem 
>might be except possibly pleural effusion.  Darwin is coughing a lot - a 
>little like the "hairball cough" but not exactly.  He seems to be breathing 
>mostly okay through his nose, although I have noticed occasionally that there 
>does seem to be a little congestion.  There has been no open-mouth breathing.  
>He had a bout of diarrhea for a couple of days this past week but seemed to 
>get over that.  Now I think he might actually be constipated.  When he coughs 
>nothing comes out but he does swallow as if he has coughed a little something 
>up and then swallows it. I have almost wondered if he might have an 
>obstruction but it does seem to be affecting his breathing some.  I haven't 
>been able to pinpoint any triggers.  He
 has coughed after drinking water, he has coughed when the heat was on, he has 
coughed right after using the litter box.  But he has also coughed when he's 
just resting on the bed and nothing is going on.
>
>
>Any insight would be so welcome.
>
>
>Thank you,
>Tina Smith
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Re: [Felvtalk] Best litter for FeLV?

[Lee Evans]

Have you had a check-up on his heart. Sometimes coughing is due to mild cardiac 
problems. Otherwise, do you use anything scented like laundry detergent. I 
always use free/clear because I don't like to breathe chemicals along with my 
blankets. Rug cleaning, change of dish detergent, anything that would add some 
sort of fumes to the air might be a problem for any cat, not only FeLv+. Cough 
can also be due to spasm in throat. Maybe he eats too fast or too much at a 
time. or something that sort of sticks in his throat. I get a spasm from eating 
certain foods, like bread or potatoes.





On Sunday, November 10, 2013 2:19 PM, Lance  wrote:
 
+1 for Feline Pine.
>
>On Nov 10, 2013, at 2:05 PM, Beth  wrote:
>
>Hi Tina -
>>
>>SWeat Scoop also harden to a cement-like texture that is horribly difficult 
>>to get out . I had to take a hammer to it.
>>You might want to try Feline Pine. Some cats don't like the texture, but it 
>>doesn't have the dust. Also World's Best (corn based) or the new Blue Buffalo 
>>(Walnut Based). My cats & I like the BB best. 
>>I also if your litter box is covered, but that can cause asthmatic problems.
>>
>>Beth
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Tina Smith 
>>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>>Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 9:56 AM
>>Subject: [Felvtalk] Best litter for FeLV?
>> 
>>
>>
>>Hi all,
>>
>>
>>I have an FeLV+ kitty.  He has been mostly healthy but is currently going 
>>through something that is causing a lot of coughing.  We have noticed that he 
>>seems sensitive to the drier air of winter and perhaps has some environmental 
>>allergies.  In addition to other things we are doing I am trying to find a 
>>dust-free cat litter for him.  Last night I spent a small fortune on 
>>SWheatScoop litter and was appalled to see all of the dust that went flying 
>>when we put it in his litter pan.  So much for dust-free.  Has anyone here 
>>had luck finding a litter that is good to use for our FeLV+ sweeties?
>>
>>
>>I'll also tell you a little more about what he's going through in case 
>>anybody has some insight into what might be causing it.  The vet wasn't 
>>helpful.  Just gave him a Convenia antibiotic injection but couldn't say what 
>>the problem might be except possibly pleural effusion.  Darwin is coughing a 
>>lot - a little like the "hairball cough" but not exactly.  He seems to be 
>>breathing mostly okay through his nose, although I have noticed occasionally 
>>that there does seem to be a little congestion.  There has been no open-mouth 
>>breathing.  He had a bout of diarrhea for a couple of days this past week but 
>>seemed to get over that.  Now I think he might actually be constipated.  When 
>>he coughs nothing comes out but he does swallow as if he has coughed a little 
>>something up and then swallows it. I have almost wondered if he might have an 
>>obstruction but it does seem to be affecting his breathing some.  I haven't 
>>been able to pinpoint any triggers.  He
 has coughed after drinking water, he has coughed when the heat was on, he has 
coughed right after using the litter box.  But he has also coughed when he's 
just resting on the bed and nothing is going on.
>>
>>
>>Any insight would be so welcome.
>>
>>
>>Thank you,
>>Tina Smith
>>
>>
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Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV and Fleas??

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Haemobartonella fellis is transmitted by fleas, not FeLv. You can Google 
Haemobartonella and find out about it. That's why it's recommended that you 
treat all current cats for fleas with Frontline Plus or other flea product if 
you intend to bring a new cat/kitten into the house. The fleas actually carry 
the haemobart parasitic bacteria and when biting a cat, inject it. FeLv is a 
retrovirus mostly contagious through strong contact cat to cat. Even then, one 
cat may have a strong enough immune system not to get the disease.





On Monday, November 4, 2013 1:52 PM, Michelle B  wrote:
 
 
>Hi guys,
>
>I am pretty familiar with FeLV but heard something that is alarming and am 
>hoping there is someone that can give feedback on this. 
>
>Our rescue took in a nursing mother cat and her two kittens and a 5 month old 
>kitten, unrelated, at the same time. These cats were in the same quarantine 
>room but in separate holding pens (having no direct contact with each other). 
>The 5 month kitten tested strong positive for FeLV and does have very large 
>nodes. She also had a bad case of fleas. 
>
>I read that FeLV can be transmitted through fleas - has anyone done research, 
>or spoken with a well qualified veterinarian about this?
>
>The mother cat and her kittens have not shown any evidence of fleas or fleas 
>dirt but I am still concerned about this potential for transmission, 
>especially since they are newborns.
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[Felvtalk] Bunny Passed Away This Evening

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She came to me two and a half years ago when she was around 9 months old. She 
had been abandoned at an apartment complex, rescued but then tested FeLv+. She 
was brought to me to see if she would turn negative. She did! I kept her anyway 
because she had a few bad habits, like biting my fingers when I was sleeping 
and trying to tear apart my iPod headphones. She was very mischievous. I named 
her Bunny because she was brought to me on Easter Sunday.  She has lived with 
me and two other cats in my bedroom/home office since that Easter in 2011. 
About two weeks ago I noticed a change in her behavior. She no longer pestered 
Delilah, the resident female cat in the room and she seemed to lose interest in 
sleeping on the bed with me and Samson and Delilah (the two other cats in the 
room). However she was eating normally and nothing else seemed out of place. I 
assumed that it was the change in the weather from very hot to nice, cool 
evenings and then to rain. On
 Saturday of last week she seemed lethargic. She was not eating her usual 
amount of food and not drinking her usual amount of water. I checked her gums 
to see if it might be stomatitis or some bad tooth upsetting her but her gums 
were very pale and so was her tongue. I immediately thought it was flea anemia. 
I took her to the vet on Tuesday because Monday is usually very busy with dogs 
there. She was more lethargic and depressed by then and her appetite had all 
but disappeared. She was still drinking water. She had no fleas so I asked the 
vet to re-test her for FeLv. Sure enough, she was positive. She had all the 
classic symptoms of active FeLv. I was heart broken but still, I asked him to 
give her some meds to make her more comfortable and perhaps get back her 
appetite. He gave her cortisone. Today, she was no better. She just lay on her 
towel and couldn't make it to the litter box although it was just a few steps 
away. I took her in again and he gave
 her some fluids, not too much because he said it would make her even more 
anemic. He gave her a little more cortisone to try to kick start her appetite. 
I had been syringe feeding her by then. He also gave her a small dose of 
Convenia and some B-complex but nothing helped. She passed several hours after 
the vet visit. I probably should have had him help her pass but I just didn't 
want to give up hope. 


There is a question here, in all this upsetting dialog. My other two cats who 
slept with me and Bunny and groomed each other, ate with each other, drank and 
used the same litter box are around 7 years old. The vet told me that once they 
are into adulthood, they are not as likely to get FeLv as they would if they 
were under 2 years old. Is this true? I will have them tested in about 3 weeks 
anyway to see what happened, if anything. Also, has anyone had the experience 
of a young cat throwing off the virus and turning negative, then turning 
positive again after a year, or was that second test after I had held her in 
isolation for 4 months a false negative?

Right now I'm fostering a kitten who has tested negative for FIV/FeLv. She is 
several rooms away from where Bunny has lived. They never came in contact with 
each other but I have walked from my bedroom into the kitten's room to feed, 
clean, etc.. Did I put her at risk?

This is desperately upsetting. I have decided not to take in any more fosters 
with FeLv. I have never had this happen before. Most of my "turned" cats are 
still with me and are well into several years of adulthood. I usually don't 
have good results with getting turned cats adopted because most people don't 
want the possibility that the cat is harboring the disease. Maybe Bunny had it 
in her bone marrow and tested negative on the regular SNAP test. I should have 
tested with the IFA also but don't have much money to spare. 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-(

[Lee Evans]

Using a feeding syringe (3cc syringe) is better than stuffing pate in her 
mouth. You have to blend the pate with some soup (not with onion though) until 
it's like very thick cream and give her about a half syringe at a time. Towel 
on lap, tissue box nearby at hand, cat on lap, soft loving talk to cat, syringe 
at corner of mouth is how I syringe feed my cats during illness. Be sure to 
wipe her mouth frequently and do the feeding slowly. It may take almost a half 
hour but if you do it with loving murmurs, she will feel that she is spending 
quality time with you instead of having food stuffed into her mouth. Feeding 
tubes are invasive and uncomfortable for cats and should be a last resort. I 
usually use Hills A/D as it's a very soft pate made for syringe feeding ill 
cats. You buy it at the vet clinic. Get about 5 cans as you will be throwing 
away left overs that have already been blended. Try to get a half a can at a 
time into her. Once you syringe feed for
 a short time, their regular appetite takes over. Also, I would recommend you 
ask your vet about a antibiotic injection instead of pills or liquid.




On Thursday, October 10, 2013 7:01 AM, Margo  
wrote:
 
 
>> 
>>Hi Jennifer,
>>   Well, I think she will need some help. I am surprised 
>>that a Vet allowed a dehydrated cat to leave without doing something about 
>>it, so I'd call and ask why. It's good that she is drinking, but it is 
>>impossible to correct clinical dehydration orally, she must have either IV or 
>>sub-q fluids. That alone MAY be enough (combined with the B-12) to start her 
>>eating again, it can be miraculous. If you don't want to try the Clavamox, 
>>then take her (what is her name?) in and request sub-q fluids (and have them 
>>show you how to do it at home) and ask about Convenia, a long-lasting 
>>injectable antibiotic. I don't generally recommend it, but it's better than 
>>nothing, and less stressful for both of you. Explain that medicating orally 
>>seems too stressful. You could ask about appetite stimulants, but they need 
>>to be given by mouth as well, so maybe you don't want to try. 
>>   Much depends on how far you want to go. Sub-q's and 
>>assist feedings aren't difficult to do, but you may not have the time to give 
>>to this. I would say, even if you decide not to continue long-term care, get 
>>to the Vet (or another of you don't want to go back there) TODAY for sub-q or 
>>IV fluids, and see if that helps.. If you have to work, most Vets will allow 
>>drop-off. 
>>   Please help her by getting the dehydration resolved. 
>>She feels totally lousy, and of course doesn't want to eat, or move. At least 
>>she will feel better, and that's critical, whatever course you elect to 
>>follow.
>>All the best,
>>Margo
>>-Original Message- 
>>From: Jennifer Ballew 
>>Sent: Oct 9, 2013 9:40 PM 
>>To: felvtalk 
>>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-(  
>>
>>
>>They took her temp yesterday and no fever.  She's not showing any outward 
>>signs of infection, so that's good I guess.  I'm just wondering if she's 
>>going to be able to pull out of this.  :-(
>>Jennifer
>>On Oct 9, 2013 8:27 PM, "moonsister22"  wrote:
>>
>>Regular cats can also have those symptoms. The B12 shot is good. Does she 
>>have a fever? Many doctors completely neglect the simple task of taking the 
>>cat's temperature. An antibiotic injection might be of benefit. My hard and 
>>fast rule is to think "simple" first. My FIV positive cat had a lump on his 
>>back. It was diagnosed as probably a malignant tumor. I suggested it was a 
>>non-malignant fatty tumor. Three years later Mr. Snowy is still fat and going 
>>strong and the tumor has absorbed. Maybe it's luck and they will use up the 
>>last of their nine lives eventually but until then start off simple but 
>>cautious and do always take to vet but listen with both ears open and your 
>>brain cells on high alert.
>>>
>>>Hugs and blessings to you and the fur kids.
>>>
>>>Sent from my iPod
>>>
>>>On Oct 9, 2013, at 3:48 PM, Jennifer Ballew  wrote:
>>>
 Hey all-


 This is the first time I have posted to the forum.  I have two FeLV 
 positive cats, one two and one three years old.  The older cat has never 
 had any issues with illness whatsoever, but the younger has only recently 
 started showing signs that her illness has caught up with her.  Just 
 within the last few days she has become very lethargic, stopped eating 
 (and only drinks a small amount) and whenever she stands or walks she 
 seems very unsteady and wobbly.  I took her to the vet yesterday; they 
 checked her blood counts which were low and said her kidney enzymes were 
 elevated.  They also said they could hear a heart murmur which is probably 
 related to possibly being dehydrated.  They gave her a B12 shot and I took 
 her home.  I already said if worst came to worst I wouldn'

Re: [Felvtalk] Anyone Home?

[Lee Evans]

Thanks. I had some trouble with my Yahoo mail so thought maybe I had been 
scrubbed from the group. Maybe no news is good news.





>
> From: kat 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>Sent: Monday, October 7, 2013 12:30 PM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anyone Home?
> 
>
>
>I'm here - tho I mainly just lurk these days..
>
>It has been quiet.
>
>Kat (Mew Jersey)
> 
> 
>- Original Message -
>>From: Lee Evans
>>Sent: 10/07/13 01:25 PM
>>To: Felvtalk
>>Subject: [Felvtalk] Anyone Home? 
>>I haven't received any messages from the group in over two weeks! Yahoo was 
>>sending back my messages with the information that the address no longer 
>>exists. What gives?
>
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[Felvtalk] Anyone Home?

[Lee Evans]

I haven't received any messages from the group in over two weeks! Yahoo was 
sending back my messages with the information that the address no longer 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing

[Lee Evans]

What I meant is that I don't mix leukemia positive cats into my general group 
as I would an FIV positive cat with a marshmallow personality who does not 
fight, not an alpha cat type. I did have two feline leukemia positive cats for 
over two years. They lived together in a separate room with each other. They 
were perfectly healthy for those two years, then suddenly turned symptomatic. 
One passed away quickly from what the vet diagnosed as bone marrow cancer. The 
other simply lost weight uncontrollably and followed his buddy over the edge. 
He probably also had bone marrow cancer or lymphoma. Those are the most likely 
two illness that kill the leukemia positive cats when the disease goes active. 
I also found a wonderful  person who had had losses from feline leukemia but 
was willing to go through the heartbreak again just to give a cat a chance at 
life. One of the cats I gave to her passed away in two years. The second one I 
begged her to take ( I think
 she was ready to shoot me when phoned to ask if she would foster another FeLv+ 
cat) is still living the life of luxury with her. It has been 6 years and 
counting so far. Keeping all fingers and paws crossed.





>
> From: Shelley Theye 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 6:39 PM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing
> 
>
>Hi,
>Thanks for describing your cats' histories.
>Can you explain what you mean in the last few sentences of your posting?  
>> However, I do not mix positive-for- leukemia cats with my regular group. 
>> Right now all the cats who are with me are either negative or turned. 
>
>Shelley
>
>
>On Sep 24, 2013, at 8:37 PM, Lee Evans wrote:
>
>> 
>> 
>> From: Lee Evans 
>> To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 7:33 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing
>> 
>> You are a good, caring and compassionate person. I don't feel that FeLv is 
>> as contagious as vets try to panic us into thinking. I had two cats mixed in 
>> with 8 others. They all lived together in cat harmony for many years, 
>> grooming each other, eating, drinking together and using the same litter 
>> boxes. They lived in love and happiness. Then Tiger and Twerp became ill. 
>> They were very old, around 15 years. I had had them tested twice throughout 
>> their lifetime when each had come down with a very stubborn URI. But they 
>> had tested negative both times. At the end of their days, I had them tested 
>> again to see if they were not suffering from old age but from something I 
>> could possibly treat. Along with the fact that they both had renal failure, 
>> they both tested positive for FeLv. Probably, the virus was dormant in the 
>> bone marrow all those years but when their immune system began to break down 
>> and their kidneys were failing, the virus took hold also. They
 passed away quietly within hours of each other. The other 8 cats who had been 
living with them tested negative for everything and all died of old age and 
renal failure. I don't know when Tiger and Twerp became actively FeLv+ but it 
doesn't matter. It shows that even with such close interaction, the cats that 
did not test positive still did not test positive. However, I do not mix 
positive-for- leukemia cats with my regular group. Right now all the cats who 
are with me are either negative or turned. However, I do have a few little 
marshmallows who are FIV+ mixed into the group because they don't fight. I also 
have a small FIV "shelter", a detached building of one large room and a 
wire-enclosed porch for four FIV+ cats who have a bit of an attitude and are 
not to be trusted to keep a friendly discussion friendly.
>> 
>>
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[Felvtalk] Fw: Question about FeLV/FIV testing

[Lee Evans]

From: Lee Evans 
>To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
>Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 7:33 PM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing
> 
>
>
>You are a good, caring and compassionate person. I don't feel that FeLv is as 
>contagious as vets try to panic us into thinking. I had two cats mixed in with 
>8 others. They all lived together in cat harmony for many years, grooming each 
>other, eating, drinking together and using the same litter boxes. They lived 
>in love and happiness. Then Tiger and Twerp became ill. They were very old, 
>around 15 years. I had had them tested twice throughout their lifetime when 
>each had come down with a very stubborn URI. But they had tested negative both 
>times. At the end of their days, I had them tested again to see if they were 
>not suffering from old age but from something I could possibly treat. Along 
>with the fact that they both had renal failure, they both tested positive for 
>FeLv. Probably, the virus was dormant in the bone marrow all those years but 
>when their immune system began to break down and their kidneys were failing, 
>the virus took hold also. They passed
 away quietly within hours of each other. The other 8 cats who had been living 
with them tested negative for everything and all died of old age and renal 
failure. I don't know when Tiger and Twerp became actively FeLv+ but it doesn't 
matter. It shows that even with such close interaction, the cats that did not 
test positive still did not test positive. However, I do not mix positive-for- 
leukemia cats with my regular group. Right now all the cats who are with me are 
either negative or turned. However, I do have a few little marshmallows who are 
FIV+ mixed into the group because they don't fight. I also have a small FIV 
"shelter", a detached building of one large room and a wire-enclosed porch for 
four FIV+ cats who have a bit of an attitude and are not to be trusted to keep 
a friendly discussion friendly.
>
>
>
>
>>
>> From: "trustinhi...@charter.net" 
>>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>>Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 1:22 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing
>> 
>>
>>Shelley..
>>
>>I lost a cat to FL in the 90's. After that I panicked and faithfully 
>>vaccinated my next five cats every year. Then I
 rescued another FL cat. 
>>Separated him from the others while he was symptomatic. He threw off the 
>>virus. As fate would have it, other rescues came to my door. I couldn't 
>>afford to have them all tested and vaccinated. (13).  All my cats mingle 
>>together and non gets sick. I don't even bother to have my rescues 
>>tested because I know that I would never put them down anyway. I was 
>>encouraged by a women I met years ago who mixed negatives and positves 
>>with good results. When my one FL cat has had symptoms (only twice in 4 
>>years) I isolate and treat him until he gets better. I am fastidious 
>>about clean bowls and water. God is taking care of them and me. If you 
>>have the money and you have only a few, get what ever treatment/tests 
>>are available. But I wouldn't stress over the testing. My Pookie will 
>>always test positive because he carries the disease in his system. But 
>>he is healthy as can be otherwise. I
 finally decided when my Lucy was 13 
>>(she's 17 now). to stop vaccinating her. If they don't have enough 
>>antibodies built up by then, they never will!  Maybe I am lucky, or just 
>>stupid, but I couldn't let an animal die form a lack of a home.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing

[Lee Evans]

To answer if the foster mom has her cats vaccinated, NO. However, Taffy has her 
own litter box and own feeding bowl and only mingles with the other cats for a 
short time during the day, then back to her room with her pooch friend. I'm not 
too keen on vaccines. I have heard nasty things about the FeLv vaccine, like 
cats have come down with the disease a few weeks after being vaccinated and had 
no other source of being infected. I have also had a personal experience with a 
faulty polio vaccination when I was a teen. It left me with nerve damage which 
has not improved with age but at least I wasn't paralyzed, just in pain for a 
couple of years while my muscles gained strength with physical therapy. 
Vaccines are not the perfect answer to everything.





>
> From: Shelley Theye 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 1:03 PM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing
> 
>
>Hi Lee,
>
>Thanks for explaining.  Not sure if there is hope for Leo to still turn 
>negative.  He tested positive last July, when trapped and neutered, and then 
>again in Nov.  I haven't retested yet, and am thinking of doing the IFA too.  
>Does the woman who has Taffy have all of her other cats vaccinated for FeLV?
>
>Do most people on this list who mix positive and negatives have their 
>negatives vaccinated for FeLV?
>
>Shelley
>
>
>
>On Sep 24, 2013, at 1:00 PM, Lee Evans wrote:
>
>> Hi Shelley - I'm not sure as to when they were exposed. These were cats 
>> rescued from different places at different times. One, a male who I have had 
>> not for about 6 to 7 years, was rescued when he was not neutered, around age 
>> 2, street cat, but tame. Since I was going to get him adopted after 
>> neutering, I had him tested before I took him into my own house. He tested 
>> negative for FIV but positive for FeLv. I tested again at another vet. Still 
>> positive, but that vet suggested that I keep him for two months and then 
>> re-test. This guy was on top of the latest literature in vet medicine. So I 
>> did so, took Moses (cats name) back and he had turned negative. Not to say 
>> that I did not believe the test but too, Moses for yet another test and he 
>> was again negative. He's still with me.
>> 
>> Bunny (Buns for short) is a female, abandoned at an apartment complex 
>> (notorious for abandoned, feral and stray cats). She was less than a year 
>> old when she was brought to me on Easter Morning. Thus her name, Bunny. I 
>> put her in a separate room, then took to vet to be tested. She tested 
>> positive for FeLv. Kept her isolated, did not spay, re-tested in about 3 
>> months, she tested negative. Tested again to be sure. Negative again so got 
>> her spayed. 
>> 
>> However, my luck did not hold very well. Recently had a rescued kitten 
>> brought to me. I took Taffy to a local Humane Society in Bulverde Texas. 
>> They tested her prior to putting her up for adoption. When they tested her, 
>> she tested positive for FeLv. I took her back, found her a foster home with 
>> a wonderful foster mom, who kept her isolated for 3 months but Taffy still 
>> tested positive at the end of the isolation period. Fortunately, Foster mom 
>> loves her and although Taffy doesn't mix in to the community of 7 cats that 
>> Foster Mom has, Taffy lives with Foster Mom's dog in a spare bedroom and 
>> gets to socialize with the cats except during feeding time. Taffy is 
>> perfectly happy with the arrangement. So is the dog.
>> 
>> The adults probably contracted FeLv during mating behavior. I suspect that 
>> Taffy got it from her birth mother but was not able to fight off the virus 
>> as a kitten because she did not have very good care and ended up as a little 
>> street stray.
>> 
>> 
>> From: Shelley Theye 
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 10:49 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing
>> 
>> Lee,
>> 
>> Can you explain more about the 2 month period for the adults that you have 
>> that threw off the virus?
>> Do you know when they were first exposed, in other words could they have had 
>> the FeLV virus for more than 2 months
>> before they ever were tested?
>> 
>> Shelley
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 24, 2013, at 11:15 AM, Lee Evans wrote:
>> 
>> > I have had a lot of success with adult cats who threw off the virus in 
>> > about 2 months and tested negative from then on. For kittens, they may or 
>> > may not have been actually positive. Since

Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing

[Lee Evans]

Hi Shelley - I'm not sure as to when they were exposed. These were cats rescued 
from different places at different times. One, a male who I have had not for 
about 6 to 7 years, was rescued when he was not neutered, around age 2, street 
cat, but tame. Since I was going to get him adopted after neutering, I had him 
tested before I took him into my own house. He tested negative for FIV but 
positive for FeLv. I tested again at another vet. Still positive, but that vet 
suggested that I keep him for two months and then re-test. This guy was on top 
of the latest literature in vet medicine. So I did so, took Moses (cats name) 
back and he had turned negative. Not to say that I did not believe the test but 
too, Moses for yet another test and he was again negative. He's still with me.

Bunny (Buns for short) is a female, abandoned at an apartment complex 
(notorious for abandoned, feral and stray cats). She was less than a year old 
when she was brought to me on Easter Morning. Thus her name, Bunny. I put her 
in a separate room, then took to vet to be tested. She tested positive for 
FeLv. Kept her isolated, did not spay, re-tested in about 3 months, she tested 
negative. Tested again to be sure. Negative again so got her spayed. 

However, my luck did not hold very well. Recently had a rescued kitten brought 
to me. I took Taffy to a local Humane Society in Bulverde Texas. They tested 
her prior to putting her up for adoption. When they tested her, she tested 
positive for FeLv. I took her back, found her a foster home with a wonderful 
foster mom, who kept her isolated for 3 months but Taffy still tested positive 
at the end of the isolation period. Fortunately, Foster mom loves her and 
although Taffy doesn't mix in to the community of 7 cats that Foster Mom has, 
Taffy lives with Foster Mom's dog in a spare bedroom and gets to socialize with 
the cats except during feeding time. Taffy is perfectly happy with the 
arrangement. So is the dog.

The adults probably contracted FeLv during mating behavior. I suspect that 
Taffy got it from her birth mother but was not able to fight off the virus as a 
kitten because she did not have very good care and ended up as a little street 
stray.





>
> From: Shelley Theye 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 10:49 AM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing
> 
>
>Lee,
>
>Can you explain more about the 2 month period for the adults that you have 
>that threw off the virus?
>Do you know when they were first exposed, in other words could they have had 
>the FeLV virus for more than 2 months
>before they ever were tested?
>
>Shelley
>
>
>
>On Sep 24, 2013, at 11:15 AM, Lee Evans wrote:
>
>> I have had a lot of success with adult cats who threw off the virus in about 
>> 2 months and tested negative from then on. For kittens, they may or may not 
>> have been actually positive. Since their immune system is not fully 
>> developed, they might not throw off the virus as soon as adults. Too bad 
>> about the idiot vet who gave the adopters such ridiculously incorrect 
>> advice. Keep the kittens for another 4 weeks, then re-test. You really 
>> should find them a home with a person who understands that a positive test 
>> does not mean the kitten should be killed. If they are still looking and 
>> feeling well, let them live. A home with no other cats or with cat-friendly 
>> dog is the best for this type of kitten.
>> 
>> 
>> From: Betheny Laubenthal 
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>> Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 7:04 PM
>> Subject: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing
>> 
>> What's the earliest that testing using a SNAP test for FeLV/FIV can be done 
>> so that it is accurate?  I know that if it is done early on, it can be 
>> inaccurate.
>> The reason I asked is that we adopted out a 10 week old kitten July 16.  We 
>> did not test.  I don't like testing before 16 weeks.  We pulled the kitten 
>> and her sister from another state.  Mom was in a high kill shelter.  She was 
>> PTS before we could rescue her.  The rest of the litter was PTS.  Miles and 
>> Journey were the only ones left.
>> Today, the kitten (Miles) tested positive for leukemia and was PTS (the ill 
>> informed vet used scare tactics on the owner and made the owner think that 
>> her dogs could get it).  I was called after the fact.
>> What is proper testing protocol?  Vaccination protcol?  I use a 4 way with 
>> feline leukemia, killed virus.
>> --Beth
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Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing

[Lee Evans]

I have had a lot of success with adult cats who threw off the virus in about 2 
months and tested negative from then on. For kittens, they may or may not have 
been actually positive. Since their immune system is not fully developed, they 
might not throw off the virus as soon as adults. Too bad about the idiot vet 
who gave the adopters such ridiculously incorrect advice. Keep the kittens for 
another 4 weeks, then re-test. You really should find them a home with a person 
who understands that a positive test does not mean the kitten should be killed. 
If they are still looking and feeling well, let them live. A home with no other 
cats or with cat-friendly dog is the best for this type of kitten.





>
> From: Betheny Laubenthal 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 7:04 PM
>Subject: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing
> 
>
>
>What's the earliest that testing using a SNAP test for FeLV/FIV can be done so 
>that it is accurate?  I know that if it is done early on, it can be inaccurate.
>The reason I asked is that we adopted out a 10 week old kitten July 16.  We 
>did not test.  I don't like testing before 16 weeks.  We pulled the kitten and 
>her sister from another state.  Mom was in a high kill shelter.  She was PTS 
>before we could rescue her.  The rest of the litter was PTS.  Miles and 
>Journey were the only ones left.
>Today, the kitten (Miles) tested positive for leukemia and was PTS (the ill 
>informed vet used scare tactics on the owner and made the owner think that her 
>dogs could get it).  I was called after the fact.
>What is proper testing protocol?  Vaccination protcol?  I use a 4 way with 
>feline leukemia, killed virus.
>--Beth
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Re: [Felvtalk] Chicken feathers, etc

[Lee Evans]

It wasn't exactly a farm for me. It was a tenement in New York. My uncle 
purchased it from the owner because the owner kept raising the rent. My uncles 
saved enough money to purchase the building, a 5 story affair with tenants from 
all over the world and of all colors. Some were nice, some were contentious, 
some were awful but everyone seemed to live together in relative harmony. My 
grandfather passed away when I was 6 years old. I only saw him once, from down 
the hallway in the apartment. He stood outside of his room and I stood outside 
the living room. We stared at each other. I said, "Hello" and he nodded his 
head at me, then went back into his room. I asked my mother later who that man 
was and she said, "That's your grandfather." I had no concept that a 
grandfather was supposed to be friendly. He was a philosophy professor with not 
much use for children, but he wasn't mean, just not very well. Yes, the days of 
leaving doors open and having all the
 neighborhood wandering in and out of the house are over forever. It's sad that 
I did not appreciate life as it was then because I was too young and took it 
for granted that this was the way things would always be. As I grew older, the 
world grew more dangerous until locks and bolts and burglar alarms were the 
only things left between us and the outside world. However, I live in a nice 
place now. My neighbor just put up a fence because he intends to get a cow. His 
roosters wake me up in the morning and my peacock shares food with my two 
outside cats. The inside cats are relatively happy and I have two enclosed 
areas for special needs cats. Not as bad as it could be.





>
> From: Lorrie 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 8:12 AM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Chicken feathers, etc
> 
>
>Lee,  I loved hearing about your grandmother.  I absolutely adored my
>grandparents, and in the 1940's they had a large farm with cows, horses, 
>chickens, ducks etc. Their house was a big 20 room victorian and had 5 
>stories counting the basement, first floor, second floor, a full third 
>floor and a big attic. My cousins and I could play hide and go seek and 
>not find each other for hours!
>
>You and I are both fortunate to have had such wonderful grandparents.
>Mine have been gone for many many years, but I still miss them.
>
>Lorrie
>
>
>On 09-15, Lee Evans wrote:
>>    This was a long time ago, in the 1950's when there were still private
>>    butchers and my grandmother would buy her chickens from the butcher who
>>    would pluck them there in the store so some feathers were always left
>>    on. Yes, she was from Odessa, Russia and only spoke German and Russian.
>>    She would tell me (in German and broken English) that the coffee was a
>>    French recipe. My grandfather had traveled all the way from France
>>    across Europe to Russia. He was an itinerant philosophy professor and
>>    "taught" his way across Europe at Universities. The French coffee was
>>    probably his idea. I was too young to drink coffee but it was
>>    traditional to put some in my milk. Then I would watch the coffee
>>    grains float. I loved my grandmother. She was very kind to me and I
>>    loved visiting her because I could go through the mysterious wardrobes
>>    and inspect the dresses and hats my aunt created. The building was in
>>    an ethnic neighborhood in New York City, the doors were never locked
>>    and people of every color and language were constantly walking in and
>>    out, as were dogs and cats from the area. I picked up a rudimentary
>>    understanding of quite a few languages before I was a teenager. There
>>    were always strangers in the apartment having coffee or a meal and
>>    conversations with my grandmother or my uncle and always some dog or
>>    cat being fed in the hallway.
>>      __
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Re: [Felvtalk] Charle

[Lee Evans]

I don't know why some vets are so uninformed but I have had seemingly 
intelligent vets tell me that this or that cat had FIP because the cat had a 
high titer for the corona virus. This is NOT FIP. Many cats get a corona virus. 
Some actually become ill from it but with regular symptoms of illness - high 
fever, anorexic, lethargic but not the usual fluid filled chest cavity that is 
one of the signs of FIP (but could also be heart disease). FIP is not all that 
common in cats, even in strays. The few cats I rescued with genuine FIP were 
NOT FeLv+ or FIV+. It seems to me that vets want to blame every illness on cats 
who are positive for one of the combo test disorders. Sometimes I suspect that 
the vets want to give us a reason to dispose of the cat without having a guilty 
conscience since it's "terminally ill" anyway. I had a cat with a high titer 
for the corona virus. She was diagnosed with FIP. What she had was a high 
fever. She had a miscarriage (pregnant
 stray calico, very friendly) in my backyard. She was burning up with fever. 
They said to have her euthanized. I said no. They said FIP, I said no. She had 
to be spayed on an emergency basis because the rest of the fetuses were not 
alive. They returned a live almost bald skeleton cat to me and told me she had 
about a 10% chance of living through the week because she had FIP. I said she 
did not have it. Took home Buttercup, syringe fed her for almost a month. Flea 
combed her every day in the isolation room she inhabited in my house. She began 
eating on her own after a month. Her fur grew back. She began high-jumping 
after bouncing balls. She grew fat. I took her back for her rabies shot and vet 
was astonished. Said she had recovered from FIP. I said she had recovered from 
a corona virus infection. She was eventually adopted.My FeLv+ cats never had 
FIP. Some actually fought off the FeLv virus and now test negative. Two passed 
away from the disease when it
 became active.





>
> From: Margo 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 4:51 PM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charle
> 
>
>
>
>Hi Beth,
>
>          That's new to me. Could you please point me towards more 
>information? I've had several cats "diagnosed" with FIP, and none were 
>confirmed, so I'm curious as to a possible link to FeLV. Might explain a few 
>things.
>
>Thanks, 
>
>Margo
>
>-Original Message-
>>From: Beth 
>>Sent: Aug 10, 2013 10:36 PM
>>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charle
>>
>>FIP is common in FeLV cats
>>
>>Marci Greer  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>Hi everyone,We took Charles (felv+) to the vet this morning and they did an 
>>>xray of his chest, their is a lot of fluid in his chest cavity, she said it 
>>>could possibly be a tumor. She gave him a shot of cortisone and a shot of 
>>>Lasix, sent us home with Lasix pills as well.  I am hoping that the Lasix 
>>>gets rid of all of the fluid and hopefully we can by some time if it is a 
>>>tumor.  If anyone has any advise or thoughtsI don't wantto loose one of 
>>>our babies.                           
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Re: [Felvtalk] Chicken feathers

[Lee Evans]

This was a long time ago, in the 1950's when there were still private butchers 
and my grandmother would buy her chickens from the butcher who would pluck them 
there in the store so some feathers were always left on. Yes, she was from 
Odessa, Russia and only spoke German and Russian. She would tell me (in German 
and broken English) that the coffee was a French recipe. My grandfather had 
traveled all the way from France across Europe to Russia. He was an itinerant 
philosophy professor and "taught" his way across Europe at Universities. The 
French coffee was probably his idea. I was too young to drink coffee but it was 
traditional to put some in my milk. Then I would watch the coffee grains float. 
I loved my grandmother. She was very kind to me and I loved visiting her 
because I could go through the mysterious wardrobes and inspect the dresses and 
hats my aunt created. The building was in an ethnic neighborhood in New York 
City, the doors were never locked
 and people of every color and language were constantly walking in and out, as 
were dogs and cats from the area. I picked up a rudimentary understanding of 
quite a few languages before I was a teenager. There were always strangers in 
the apartment having coffee or a meal and conversations with my grandmother or 
my uncle and always some dog or cat being fed in the hallway.   





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> From: Bonnie Hogue 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 12:14 PM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Chicken feathers
> 
>
>Lee
>Was grandma from "the old country" by chance?  Sounds like some ideas other
>cultures might have.  The coffee actually doesn't sound half bad, but then I
>always loved the "skin" on my hot chocolate as a kid.
>The feathers?  Well, I'd have to be awfully hungry on that one...
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
>Lorrie
>Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 5:16 AM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Chicken feathers
>
>Egads Lee, I'm sure you were not eager to visit granny!!
>
>
>On 09-14, Lee Evans wrote:
>>    Not kidding about the chicken feather soup. She also specialized in
>>    coffee boiled with milk and coffee grounds. Then after a while, it
>>    would form a leather skin on top and we had to cut through to the
>>    coffee. Yech! Burned scrambled eggs, almost raw liver, black toast. I
>>    would say that my grandmother was a very intelligent woman but not a
>>    gourmet cook. My uncles cat loved the liver though.
>>      __
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Re: [Felvtalk] Chicken feathers

[Lee Evans]

Not kidding about the chicken feather soup. She also specialized in coffee 
boiled with milk and coffee grounds. Then after a while, it would form a 
leather skin on top and we had to cut through to the coffee. Yech! Burned 
scrambled eggs, almost raw liver, black toast. I would say that my grandmother 
was a very intelligent woman but not a gourmet cook. My uncles cat loved the 
liver though.





>
> From: Lorrie 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2013 6:24 AM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Chicken feathers
> 
>
>Well, feathers are protein, but I sure wouldn't want to eat them. 
>Are you kidding about your grandmother's soup??
>
>Lorrie
>
>On 09-13, Lee Evans wrote:
>>    Did someone mention that Royal Canin grinds up chicken feathers as the
>>    protein source in their very expensive cat food? Sheesh! Well, it can't
>>    be too bad. My grandmother used to have a liberal topping of chicken
>>    feathers in her chicken soup throughout my childhood. The cats didn't
>>    seem to mind it.
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Re: [Felvtalk] OT - using humans

[Lee Evans]

Did someone mention that Royal Canin grinds up chicken feathers as the protein 
source in their very expensive cat food? Sheesh! Well, it can't be too bad. My 
grandmother used to have a liberal topping of chicken feathers in her chicken 
soup throughout my childhood. The cats didn't seem to mind it. 


>
> From: "dlg...@windstream.net" 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 10:07 AM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT - using humans
> 
>
>And Lord knows, I do not need any more fat!
>
> Bonnie Hogue  wrote: 
>> Completely Funny!!  LOL!  ;-)
>> 
>> But the Politician Plate would be wy too fatty!
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee
>> Evans
>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:39 AM
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT - using humans
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Yum! And the choices for Population Control Pate can be Burglar Beef in
>> Gravy, Rapist Shreds and  WifeBeater Bits all formulated for nutritional
>> balance by Friskems Criminal Cat Food Company. And for the fat cat who
>> really loves Premium Food at a high price, you can have Politician Pate and
>> Pork Barrel Pork.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
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Re: [Felvtalk] OT - using humans

[Lee Evans]

Yum! And the choices for Population Control Pate can be Burglar Beef in Gravy, 
Rapist Shreds and  WifeBeater Bits all formulated for nutritional balance by 
Friskems Criminal Cat Food Company. And for the fat cat who really loves 
Premium Food at a high price, you can have Politician Pate and Pork Barrel Pork.





>
> From: Lorrie 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 7:27 AM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT - using humans
> 
>
>What a great idea, and not just naturally deceased humans for cat
>food, but child molesters, rapists, etc.  Entirely too many humans
>are degenerates who would make excellent cat chow!! 
>
>
>On 09-11, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
>
>> and when do they start using deceased humans as an acceptable source of
>> protein.  They already use animals euthanized by humane society.  I think
>> it is time for God to put an end to us, we do not deserve to live on this
>> beautiful planet that we are in the processing of destroying.
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] diarrhea

[Lee Evans]

If a vet visit is necessary you might want to purchase At Ease. It's put out by 
Whisker City and can be purchased at PetsMart. WalMart also sells it. I usually 
spray the carrier about 15 minutes to a half hour before the cat has to be put 
inside. The spray is safe but it's better to let it dry a bit so the cat won't 
get it all over himself. it's a combination of herbs which is supposed to act 
like pheromones to relax the cat. It actually works. I was quite surprised. I 
had one howler who was louder than sirens all the way to the vet. When I 
finally was told about At Ease, I sprayed the carrier and the howling was down 
to a few meows and then he just gave up and sat for the ride.

Is Pugs a long hair Persian type? He may have groomed himself into a hairball. 
The part about throwing up would worry me. 





>
> From: "laurak...@aol.com" 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2013 5:22 PM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] diarrhea
> 
>
>
>Thanks all for the suggestions.  At the shelter he was dewormed, but if the 
>stool is the same tomorrow I will take a sample to the vet to rule any 
>parasites out and go from there. Next step will be an actual visit. Hoping it 
>won't come to that as it stresses him out so much. 
>
>Will keep you posted,
>
>Laura, Dani & Pugs
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Re: [Felvtalk] Positive cat

[Lee Evans]

First of all, the vets blow way out of proportion the contagious factor in 
FeLv. Yes, a cat can be latent, as were my Tiger Boy and Twerp. Both latent, 
both tested negative all their long lives, then towards the end, they got a URI 
plus kidney failure and both passed within days of each other at ages 13 and 
14. They lived with 8 other cats. I tested periodically but none of their mates 
ever turned positive and all the cats in that group regularly slept together, 
groomed each other, ate from the same dishes and shared litter boxes. You can't 
make any hard, fast rules with FeLv. Your cat has been living with the other 
cats so it's up to you whether she should continues to do that. However, please 
don't have her killed just because she tested positive. As for a cat going 
outside and bringing in FeLv, I really don't think so. They have to have some 
type of long term exposure or critical exposure - like meeting a cat who is 
already ill from the disease and
 grooming him. It's not airborne.





>
> From: Susan Saunders 
>To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
>Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2013 1:49 PM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Positive cat
> 
>
>
>None of the other cats go outside except for the one that got out
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>On Sep 1, 2013, at 2:46 PM, Susan Saunders  wrote:
>
>
>Cat is now testing positive.  She was never tested as a kitten although her 
>parents were and her littermate was. She has never been outside although one 
>if the cats in the house did get out for about a week.  That cat and all other 
>cats in the house have tested negative.  So is it possible that the cat that 
>got out brought it in the house but still tests negative and this cat was 
>exposed and is now positive?  
>>
>>Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>On Sep 1, 2013, at 9:10 AM, john pollack  wrote:
>>
>>
>>Yes, it most certainly is. My Tigger was Positve. Everyone else here tested 
>>negative, and still does,.
>>>Tigger passed at age 5 2 years ago. all STILL negative here.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: "kgbarnc...@gmail.com" 
>>>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>>>Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2013 8:49 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Positive cat
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>also, a previously 'negative' cat could in fact have a latent infection 
>>>which does not show up.  This can go on for potentially years and later turn 
>>>positive when sick/stressed.
>>>
>>>
>>>- Reply message -
>>>From: "Beth" 
>>>To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
>>>Subject: [Felvtalk] Positive cat
>>>Date: Sun, Sep 1, 2013 8:19 am
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Sure, if the cat got outside or are otherwise exposed to other cats. Not all 
>>>cats coming into contact with a positive cat will contract the virus.Plus 
>>>the virus can take 90 days to show up on a test. You'd have to be more 
>>>specific about the circumstances - when all the cats were tested, what kind 
>>>of test, are the cats indoors/outdoors?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Beth
>>>Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Susan Saunders 
>>>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>>>Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 7:43 PM
>>>Subject: [Felvtalk] Positive cat
>>> 
>>>
>>>Is it possible for one cat in a house of multiple cats to be positive when 
>>>everyone else is negative and even parents and all other cats from its 
>>>litter are negative. 
>>>
>>>Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [Felvtalk] ringworm

[Lee Evans]

Topically. NEVER use gentian violet internally. It would be like swallowing 
Preparation H only worse.





>
> From: Heather 
>To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
>Cc: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
>Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 9:32 PM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ringworm
> 
>
>
>How does a human use Genetian violet for RW, internally or topically?
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>On Aug 31, 2013, at 2:58 PM, "Gloria B. Lane"  wrote:
>
>
>
>>
>>I'm on Digest version of this list, and it's not easy to reply... but I 
>>learned about Gentian Violet when I was a kid, and it worked great for 
>>ringworm - mine was on my hand.  I've since used it on cats when appropriate 
>>and it worked.  I generally use Golden Seal tincture (from the health food 
>>store, about $8), as it works well and isn't purple.  But have used Malaseb 
>>shampoo and it worked well. I don't use Grisiofulvin since it's systemic, 
>>unless it's a bad case of ringworm - has a Persian like that so did use the 
>>Grisiofulvin.
>>
>>
>>I read up on Advantage Multi a while back, and didn't like some of the 
>>reports of it - so I never use Advantage Multi.
>>
>>
>>Cheers,
>>
>>
>>Gloria
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>From: Catherine Chang 
>>
>>>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>>
>>>Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 11:48 PM
>>
>>>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ringworm
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>Hi felv friends, 
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>I was away from emails for several days, so I am not sure whether bathing 
>>>options has been mentioned in this thread about ringworm. If they been 
>>>mentioned, please skip this email. If not, here they are: 
>>
>>>
>>
>>>I know 2 shampoos can eliminate ringworm very effectively by just bathing 
>>>the cat (or just his/her infected area) twice a week.  
>>
>>>
>>
>>>1. Malaseb shampoo: it contains 2% Miconazole which can treat ringworm very 
>>>effectively. It is available on Amazon. 
>>
>>>2. Nizoral Shampoo: it is a human dandruff shampoo made with Ketoconazole. 
>>>The 1% version can be obtained in drug stores. Although taking Ketoconazole 
>>>by mouth could make cat lethargy, such side effect is less seen when only 
>>>using it by bathing as far as I know. There is also a pet version of 2% 
>>>Ketoconazole shampoo, but you will need a prescription to get that. 
>>
>>>
>>
>>>hope it helps.
>>
>>>catherine 
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>> 
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>

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Re: [Felvtalk] Positive cat

[Lee Evans]

If the cat was tested with the new triple test (FIV, FeLv and Heartworm) the 
heartworm test might screw up the results. However, no test is perfect. I 
remember someone gave an explanation as to why a negative cat would actually 
test positive a lot of the time. If that person is still here, please respond. 
What made you test the cat in the first place since everyone was negative?





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> From: Susan Saunders 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 6:43 PM
>Subject: [Felvtalk] Positive cat
> 
>
>Is it possible for one cat in a house of multiple cats to be positive when 
>everyone else is negative and even parents and all other cats from its litter 
>are negative. 
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] ringworm

[Lee Evans]

Definitely agree with you Margo. Even for humans. My mom used to toss all sorts 
of herbal pills and capsules at me to improve anything and everything. It 
improved mostly nothing. However, I do use echinacea on occasion when I think I 
have been exposed to the flu or some other icky virus. However, there is a 
holistic homeopathic/allopathic veterinarian in my area who has at times 
treated a cat or two of mine with herbal medications, but under close 
supervision and with the warning that if I see anything that worries me to 
phone him right away. This is OK because he uses herbs just like he would use 
any other medication. Incidentally I would not trust Dr. Becker to treat a 
cockroach. Snake oil anyone?





>
> From: Margo 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 6:22 AM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ringworm
> 
>
>
>         I avoid any and all essential oils for cats. Dogs and humans can 
>metabolize them, cats can't. They lack a liver enzyme needed to process the 
>oils. I get very annoyed seeing substances containing essential oils touted as 
>"safe" for cats because they're "natural".
>    
>         Cinnamon oil is particularly high in phenols, which are considered 
>harmful to cats.
>
>http://essentialoilworld.com/essentialoilreviews/pet-health/essential-oil-safety-with-cats
>
>         This is from a site that SELLS essential oils, but states some are 
>not safe for cats.
>
>         This is my favorite site addressing the use of essential oils around 
>cats, and again, they sell them...
>
>http://www.thelavendercat.com/
>
>         I use Advantage on my non-FeLV cats and their dogfriends, and it 
>seems to keep the flea population under control on everyone.
>
>         It's up to each catslave what they choose to control those annoying 
>little bloodsuckers, but just thought I'd give another point of view. Natural 
>does not mean safe.
>
>Margo
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>>From: dlg...@windstream.net
>>Sent: Aug 28, 2013 11:35 PM
>>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ringworm
>>
>>I don't like the commercial flea drops at all. My cats have all had a 
>>reaction to them.  I found an herbal one on Dr. Becker's site (Mercola site). 
>> It has cinnamon and other "natural" ingredients.  The cats were not too 
>>happy with it at first, I think mostly because the cinnamon smell is pretty 
>>strong when it first goes on, but at least they have not had any adverse 
>>reactions to it.  This includes my remaining FELV, Annie.
>>
>> 
>> trustinhi...@charter.net wrote: 
>>> I just wanted to share that I put Advantage-multi drops on my felv+ cat, 
>>Pookie, in june and a week later there appear 1 then 2 puffy lumps on 
>>his back between his spine. They disappeared after a few weeks after 
>>intense intervention with syringe feeding of vitamins and nutrients. He 
>>then went into a period of running a fever and not eating or drinking. 
>>He was placed on Baytril for two weeks. The fever left and he started to 
>>eat and drink, but then developed a mouth sore. So he wasn't eating or 
>>drinking again. I have learned to be very sure when pilling that the 
>>pill actually goes down. I suspect one was lodged under his tongue and 
>>may have caused the mouth sore. I finally took him to a holistic vet and 
>>she has been giving him acupuncture. Within 24 hours he was eating and 
>>drinking again. She said the toughest needle to get in was in his nose 
>>(controls appetite), but he went from running a temp to a cold nose in 
>>one day. I also gave him some "Clin drops" leftover from another cats 
>>mouth abcess for a few days. His mouth sore healed. He has had 3 
>>acupunture treatments and is back to his old self. He is also getting 
>>some immune support herbs - one is called Wei Qi. He is 6 1/2 and has 
>>fought off the virus before when he was 2. I just want to caution others 
>>that these flea preps are strong and may not be good for Felv+ kitties. 
>>Carolyn
>>
>>
>>On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Lee Evans wrote:
>>
>>> With FeLv+ cats or any cats for that matter, it's always good to get 
>>> the vet's opinion on what shampoo to use or not. Remember that some 
>>> residue of the shampoo may be absorbed through the cat's skin. If you 
>>> want to know more about cat diseases (or cattle, pig, horse, rabbit or 
>>> anything disases) you can go to www.merckmanuals.com and click on The 
>>> Merck Veterinary Manual. They list everything t

Re: [Felvtalk] ringworm

[Lee Evans]

It also won't kill fleas. It may repel them for a while but unless you vacuum 
your floors every day, treat with diatomaceous earth and flea comb every one of 
them, they are going to be hopping in no time. In addition, a sad tail I can 
tell about "natural" flea treatments is my cat Teddy, now only a memory but 
when he was with me, I used a lemon oil and herbal based flea remedy that was 
"guaranteed" to rid my cat of flea problems. What it did rid him of was a nice 
swatch of fur on the back of his neck with a matching skin burn from the horrid 
stuff. The flea stuff cost much more than regular flea remedies and cost me 
several vet visits until Teddy's neck healed. I wrote the company a scathing 
letter demanding my money back and telling them to take the crap off the market 
but they refused to do either. I'm not a great proponent of herbal flea 
treatments after that experience.





>
> From: "dlg...@windstream.net" 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 10:35 PM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ringworm
> 
>
>I don't like the commercial flea drops at all. My cats have all had a reaction 
>to them.  I found an herbal one on Dr. Becker's site (Mercola site).  It has 
>cinnamon and other "natural" ingredients.  The cats were not too happy with it 
>at first, I think mostly because the cinnamon smell is pretty strong when it 
>first goes on, but at least they have not had any adverse reactions to it.  
>This includes my remaining FELV, Annie.
>
>
> trustinhi...@charter.net wrote: 
>> I just wanted to share that I put Advantage-multi drops on my felv+ cat, 
>Pookie, in june and a week later there appear 1 then 2 puffy lumps on 
>his back between his spine. They disappeared after a few weeks after 
>intense intervention with syringe feeding of vitamins and nutrients. He 
>then went into a period of running a fever and not eating or drinking. 
>He was placed on Baytril for two weeks. The fever left and he started to 
>eat and drink, but then developed a mouth sore. So he wasn't eating or 
>drinking again. I have learned to be very sure when pilling that the 
>pill actually goes down. I suspect one was lodged under his tongue and 
>may have caused the mouth sore. I finally took him to a holistic vet and 
>she has been giving him acupuncture. Within 24 hours he was eating and 
>drinking again. She said the toughest needle to get in was in his nose 
>(controls appetite), but he went from running a temp to a cold nose in 
>one day. I also gave him some "Clin drops" leftover from another cats 
>mouth abcess for a few days. His mouth sore healed. He has had 3 
>acupunture treatments and is back to his old self. He is also getting 
>some immune support herbs - one is called Wei Qi. He is 6 1/2 and has 
>fought off the virus before when he was 2. I just want to caution others 
>that these flea preps are strong and may not be good for Felv+ kitties. 
>Carolyn
>
>
>On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Lee Evans wrote:
>
>> With FeLv+ cats or any cats for that matter, it's always good to get 
>> the vet's opinion on what shampoo to use or not. Remember that some 
>> residue of the shampoo may be absorbed through the cat's skin. If you 
>> want to know more about cat diseases (or cattle, pig, horse, rabbit or 
>> anything disases) you can go to www.merckmanuals.com and click on The 
>> Merck Veterinary Manual. They list everything there. It's really 
>> wonderful. If you want to know about a particular medication you are 
>> told to use, go to www.drugs.com and type "cat medication" in the 
>> search area. Everything is listed in alphabetical order. You will 
>> discover that Malaseb is for dogs and horses. You might want to hold 
>> off using this on a cat or kitten. Ketochlor and other shampoos that 
>> begin with Keto- should be used only under the recommendation of a 
>> veterinarian. This one forms a coating of the substance on the cat's 
>> skin and lasts long after the shampoo has been used, according to the
>>  information on drugs.com.
>> I'm not sure that shampooing a cat is for everyone. I tried it once or 
>> twice. What I got was a mass of soap bubbles and foam with ears and 
>> eyes, racing around the house, screaching and snarling. Getting a cat 
>> to stand around for 5 to 10 minutes while the shampoo works, as 
>> advised in the information, is sooo not realistic. If you do want to 
>> shampoo, notify your next of kin first. Incidentally, it was a flea 
>> shampoo I used on an adult cat who was usually Mr. Charming but turned 
>> into a vampire the minute the water and 

Re: [Felvtalk] ringworm

[Lee Evans]

That was the first really good laugh I had in a month. Thanks. 





>
> From: Margo 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 2:08 PM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ringworm
> 
>
>
> 
>How to Bathe Your 
1) First …. dress for the occasion. A 4-ply rubber wet suit is suggested, along 
with a helmet, face mask and welders gloves. 
>>2) A Bathtub with a glass enclosure is preferred to the one with a shower 
>>curtain. A frenzied cat can shred one of these in about 3.5 seconds.
>>3) Have the Kitty Bubbles and towel in the enclosed bathtub area beforehand. 
>>No… blow drying the cat after the bath is not suggested.
>>4) Draw the water, making it a little warmer than needed as you still need to 
>>find the cat. Position everything strategically in the shower, so you can 
>>reach it even if you are face down or prone in the tub.
>>5) Find your cat. Use the element of surprise. Pick the cat up, nonchalantly 
>>as if you were simply carrying him/her to the supper dish. No need to worry 
>>about the cat noticing your strange attire, the cat barely notices you anyway.
>>6) Once you and the cat are inside the bathroom speed is essential. In one 
>>single fluid motion shut the door to the bathroom, step into the shower, 
>>close the sliding doors, and drop the cat into the water. While the cat is 
>>still in a state of shock locate the Kitty Bubbles and squirt whatever part 
>>of him is above the water line. You have just begun the wildest 45 seconds of 
>>your life. Remember that cats have no handles and add the fact that he now 
>>has soapy fur. His state of shock has worn off and he’s madder than hell.
>>7) As best you can, wearing welder’s gloves, try to field his body as he 
>>catapults through the air toward the ceiling. If possible, give another 
>>squirt of Kitty Bubbles with his body now fully exposed.
>>8) During the 5 seconds you are able to hold onto him, rub vigorously. No 
>>need to worry about rinsing. As he slides down the glass enclosure into the 
>>tub, he will fall back into the water, rinsing himself in the process.
>>9) Only attempt the lather and rinse process about 3 times. The cat will 
>>realize the lack of traction on the glass by then and will use the next 
>>attempt on the first available part of you.
>>10) Next, the cat must be dried. No, this is NOT the easiest part. By this 
>>stage, you are worn out and the cat has just become semi-permanently affixed 
>>to your right leg. We suggest here that you drain the tub and in full view of 
>>your cat, reach for the bottle of Kitty Bubbles.
>>11) If you have done step 10 correctly, the cat will be off your leg and 
>>hanging precariously from your helmet. Although this view of the cat is most 
>>disgusting, he will be in a much better position for wrapping the towel 
>>around him.
>>12) Be sure cat is firmly wrapped in towel before opening tub enclosure. Open 
>>bathroom door. Put towel-wrapped cat on floor and step back quickly. Into 
>>tub, if possible, and do not open enclosure until all you can see is the 
>>shredded towel.
>>13) In about 2 hours, it will be safe to exit the bathroom. Your cat will be 
>>sitting out there somewhere looking like a small hedgehog while plotting 
>>revenge. But doesn’t he smell better?
>> 
>> 
>>-Original Message- 
>>From: Lee Evans 
>>Sent: Aug 27, 2013 12:59 PM 
>>To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
>>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ringworm 
>>
>>
>>With FeLv+ cats or any cats for that matter, it's always good to get the 
>>vet's opinion on what shampoo to use or not. Remember that some residue of 
>>the shampoo may be absorbed through the cat's skin. If you want to know more 
>>about cat diseases (or cattle, pig, horse, rabbit or anything disases) you 
>>can go to www.merckmanuals.com and click on The Merck Veterinary Manual. They 
>>list everything there. It's really wonderful. If you want to know about a 
>>particular medication you are told to use, go to www.drugs.com and type "cat 
>>medication" in the search area. Everything is listed in alphabetical order. 
>>You will discover that Malaseb is for dogs and horses. You might want to hold 
>>off using this on a cat or kitten. Ketochlor and other shampoos that begin 
>>with Keto- should be used only under the recommendation of a veterinarian. 
>>This one forms a coating of the substance on the cat's skin and lasts long 
>>after the shampoo has been used, according to the
 information on drugs.com. 
>>
>>I'm not sure that shampooing a cat 

Re: [Felvtalk] ringworm

[Lee Evans]

With FeLv+ cats or any cats for that matter, it's always good to get the vet's 
opinion on what shampoo to use or not. Remember that some residue of the 
shampoo may be absorbed through the cat's skin. If you want to know more about 
cat diseases (or cattle, pig, horse, rabbit or anything disases) you can go to 
www.merckmanuals.com and click on The Merck Veterinary Manual. They list 
everything there. It's really wonderful. If you want to know about a particular 
medication you are told to use, go to www.drugs.com and type "cat medication" 
in the search area. Everything is listed in alphabetical order. You will 
discover that Malaseb is for dogs and horses. You might want to hold off using 
this on a cat or kitten. Ketochlor and other shampoos that begin with Keto- 
should be used only under the recommendation of a veterinarian. This one forms 
a coating of the substance on the cat's skin and lasts long after the shampoo 
has been used, according to the
 information on drugs.com. 

I'm not sure that shampooing a cat is for everyone. I tried it once or twice. 
What I got was a mass of soap bubbles and foam with ears and eyes, racing 
around the house, screaching and snarling. Getting a cat to stand around for 5 
to 10 minutes while the shampoo works, as advised in the information, is sooo 
not realistic. If you do want to shampoo, notify your next of kin first. 
Incidentally, it was a flea shampoo I used on an adult cat who was usually Mr. 
Charming but turned into a vampire the minute the water and soap hit him. This 
was before I found out about Capstar and Frontline Plus, many moons ago.





>
> From: Catherine Chang 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 11:48 PM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ringworm
> 
>
>
>Hi felv friends, 
>
>
>I was away from emails for several days, so I am not sure whether bathing 
>options has been mentioned in this thread about ringworm. If they been 
>mentioned, please skip this email. If not, here they are: 
>
>I know 2 shampoos can eliminate ringworm very effectively by just bathing the 
>cat (or just his/her infected area) twice a week.  
>
>1. Malaseb shampoo: it contains 2% Miconazole which can treat ringworm very 
>effectively. It is available on Amazon. 
>2. Nizoral Shampoo: it is a human dandruff shampoo made with Ketoconazole. The 
>1% version can be obtained in drug stores. Although taking Ketoconazole by 
>mouth could make cat lethargy, such side effect is less seen when only using 
>it by bathing as far as I know. There is also a pet version of 2% Ketoconazole 
>shampoo, but you will need a prescription to get that. 
>
>hope it helps.
>catherine 
>
>
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] ringworm

[Lee Evans]

I still vote for the cream for athletes foot. I used it years ago on a cat 
named Munchkin for spots of fur loss. Didn't know it was ringworm, just whisked 
my fingers through it and hadn't a clue. Took him to the vet and the vet said 
ringworm. Eeek! But I never contracted it. Vet said I was probably exposed to 
it as a child and was immune. Whatever . I did use Program prophylactically on 
some of my own cats who were exposed to a rescued kitten I was fostering who 
was diagnosed with ringworm.  No one caught it from him. Actually, ringworm is 
self limiting.  The cats lose fur, their immune system kicks in if they are 
relatively healthy and the hair loss stops, the little whorls heal up and cat 
is good to go again. But if you like a messy, greasy cat, ask your vet about 
the athletes foot cream.

Worked in a medical office for a good part of my early years. They used gentian 
violet for female herpes. Yow! I bet that was no fun. And of course, it didn't 
help much. Sadistic male gynecologists.





>
> From: Lorrie 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 2:45 PM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ringworm
> 
>
>Hi,  I'm even older than you... I'm 80 and in the 1940's when I
>had ringworm, the treatment was just alcohol. I remember screaming
>when my mom put alcohol on my ringworm because it burned so much. It
>got rid of the stuff tho.  Medicine didn't taste good in those days
>either.  We got castor oil, and all sorts of awful tasting remedies.
>
>BTW go for the purple hair. My hair is thin too, so maybe I'll try
>it :-)
>
>Lorrie
>
>On 08-23, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
>
>> BETH - Now that I am 73 and have gone thru 4 different chemos, my hair is
>> thinning.  Guess I will have to find some gentian Violet and paint my head
>> purple.  I will fit in with all the younger crowd who like all colors of
>> hair.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> 
>>  Susan Saunders  wrote: 
>> > Original Program (flea medicine) works. Only has to be given once - twice 
>> > at the most.  
>> 
>> 
>> Susan Saunders
>> Bengal Rescue
>> Louisville, KY
>> http://www.bengalrescuenetwork.org/
>> 502-494-8669
>> Join bengalcatrescue-subscr...@yahoogroups.com
>> 
>> From: Beth 
>> To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
>> Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 11:06 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ringworm
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Wow. Maybe you have accidentally discovered a cure for thinning hair :)
>> 
>> 
>> Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! http://www.furkids.org/
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 8:49 PM,  wrote:
>> 
>> As long as it works, that is what is important.  I know this is a bit late, 
>> but been busy taking care of Lil Bit, giving fluids, meds and syringe 
>> feeding.  All to no avail, she passed last Friday.
>> >When I was a child, I got ringworm and my doctor (an old vet who went to 
>> >Vienna and trained for people meds) used gentian violet on my head.  It was 
>> >purple, but got rid of the ringworm.  Ever since then, the hair on that 
>> >part of my head is curlier and thicker.
>> >
>> > Cindy McHugh  wrote:
>> >> When we took in a cat with ringworm, the first vet prescribed an 
>> >> expensive oral medication (something like Griseofluvin). We sought the 
>> >> advice of a different vet who gave the cat a shot of antibiotics and 
>> >> recommended we use lime sulfur dips. It took a while, but it did clear 
>> >> up. The dips are messy and stinky, but effective.
>> >>
>> >> Good luck.
>> >> Cindy
>> >>
>> >
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Re: [Felvtalk] Sense of smell and food

[Lee Evans]

To answer your first question, sometimes as a cat ages they readjust their food 
intake. She was a kitten, now a year so she is almost at the tail end (pardon 
the pun) of her growth spurt to adulthood. She is more sure of having a steady 
supply of food so no need to gulp. However, if she begins to lose weight, you 
need to take her for an exam. 

Second question. I have left food out for a feral colony and watched their 
behavior, thinking they would beam in on the food in a nanosecond. Nope. They 
hunted around like three blind mice with noses to the ground and finally found 
the bowl filled to the brim with food. OK. With my house cats, they nose around 
like little vacuum cleaners and miss the spilled kibbles but slurp up a nice 
dust bunny and then gasp and cough and spit. None of them have FeLv.. Maybe a 
brain cell or two got it's wires crossed. Anyway, just keep up with the weight 
observation. Hugs and purrs.





>
> From: Maryam Ulomi 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 8:29 AM
>Subject: [Felvtalk] Sense of smell and food
> 
>
>Hi everyone,
>I have two questions regarding Kitty, our one year old FeLV+.
>Since she turned one year old, she has become less responsive to food or is 
>less food oriented. Up to two months ago, she would drop everything to eat and 
>get very excited about food, she would gulp her food down but now she eats a 
>little and then walks away and then returns. Sometimes she eats more and 
>sometimes she eats less and she has off days for eating. Is that normal? I 
>know her weight is stable as I have a baby scale and I weight her monthly.
>My second question is regarding her sense of smell, which seems to be slightly 
>off.  A few times I have left her food or a few treats and she seems to not to 
>see it or find it. Do cats with FeLV have that?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mally and Kitty 
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] ringworm

[Lee Evans]

You can also use a cream for athletes foot. As your vet what the safe amount 
would be on cat skin.


 
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>
> From: "dlg...@windstream.net" 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 7:49 PM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ringworm
> 
>
>As long as it works, that is what is important.  I know this is a bit late, 
>but been busy taking care of Lil Bit, giving fluids, meds and syringe feeding. 
> All to no avail, she passed last Friday.
>When I was a child, I got ringworm and my doctor (an old vet who went to 
>Vienna and trained for people meds) used gentian violet on my head.  It was 
>purple, but got rid of the ringworm.  Ever since then, the hair on that part 
>of my head is curlier and thicker.
>
> Cindy McHugh  wrote: 
>> When we took in a cat with ringworm, the first vet prescribed an expensive 
>> oral medication (something like Griseofluvin). We sought the advice of a 
>> different vet who gave the cat a shot of antibiotics and recommended we use 
>> lime sulfur dips. It took a while, but it did clear up. The dips are messy 
>> and stinky, but effective.
>> 
>> Good luck.
>> Cindy
>> 
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Undesirable or just plain ugly cats

[Lee Evans]

Sounds more like you should find the little tub a restaurant home. Yeah. I have 
several aggressive eaters in my feline family. I especially love when they 
suddenly get and itch while walking with me to the food and plunk their tubby 
rears down in front of me to dig a back foot into their ear, causing me to pull 
up with a screech or topple head over heels over them. My one-eyed boy with a 
meow like an automobile engine trying to start up with no anti-freeze on a 
subzero Winter day probably weighs in at 70 pounds. Well, maybe that's an 
exaggeration but when he sat down on my foot one day, it actually hurt. I 
thought a boulder had landed on my toes. I have a lot of sad cases to. Older 
cats losing weight, possibly from thyroid issues. Have to get them tested. 
Rampant stomatitis which is controlled by cortisone shots because I have no 
money or time to deal with more sophisticated methods that may or may not work. 
And trying to earn enough money to keep up
 with the mortgage because I'm not eligible for mortgage reduction on a mobile 
home, even if it is double-wide and guess what? You can't get a mortgage 
reduction if your credit is lousy because a mortgage reduction is actually 
refinancing. So welcome to the Twilight Zone where if you don't have money you 
can't have money and you won't have money ever again. The American Dream. Yeah.


 
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Re: [Felvtalk] IFA tests/PCR tests

[Lee Evans]

You really have to decide why you are testing. If a cat is ill with the Mystery 
Illness, of course you need to run some tests to pinpoint what may be the cause 
of the illness. If you are adopting out, you probably should do a combo test 
without the heartworm part which I learned from this list can screw up the 
results of the other tests in the combo. However, if the 4 kittens mentioned 
have tested negative, I don't see any reason why not to adopt out. Because, and 
this is important to remember, the person wanting the kitten or a couple of 
kittens will get a couple of kittens from someone, somewhere and that person 
probably won't test at all, just advertise "free to good home, healthy 
kittens". As long as the test is not definitely positive, you can ethically 
adopt out. I had an FIV+ cat who was not when I took him in. He was negative 
but thin. I polished him up and fattened him up and took him for adoption at 
the Humane Society here and they tossed him
 back to me as FIV+. I retested and sure enough. He had been incubating it for 
the months I had him fattening up and getting ready for his big day. Well, I 
still have Lancelot, mixed in with my regular gang because that's how he was 
when I took him home as a negative and he is still with me about 7 years later. 
Now, I know this is only FIV, not as serious as FeLv but still. You can't 
predict the future as far as will the cat some day turn positive for FeLv. You 
shouldn't spend much needed money testing and re-testing to make all the 
planets line up correctly. My three originally positive FeLv cats who turned 
negative are still with me. If anyone had wanted the ugly mutts, I would have 
cheered and given them away in a nanosecond. But no one wanted a dumb possum 
faced tabby or an all black cat with a sort of snake like face or Percy who had 
an attitude and lost the virus but not the attitude. Lest anyone try to get on 
me for calling them ugly mutts, hey I
 call it like it is. That doesn't mean I don't love them. I love ugly mutts the 
most. Even when they are cats.


 
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>
> From: Lorrie 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 2:15 PM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] IFA tests/PCR tests
> 
>
>Margo,  I rescue too, and I've reached the same conclusion as you have.  
>This testing and retesting doesn't let us know what is really going on. 
>It is so discouraging, as well as extremely expensive when you have a
>lot of rescued cats.  Believe me I'd like to stop rescuing too, but what 
>do I do with the 30 cats I have now?  I can't just toss them out, and a 
>shelter means certain death.  So I'm hoping no more cats will come my
>way Yeah sure!!
>
>Thanks for the info from UC Davis
>
>Lorrie
>
>On 08-14, Margo wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Shelley,
>> 
>>         This is coming from a very disgruntled person so take it all with
>>         a grain of salt:)
>> 
>>         I have pretty much given up on test results as accomplishing
>>         anything. They seem just about useless in the long run, from my
>>         experience. For many years I ran a rescue in FL. I was fanatic
>>         about testing. Everyone was Elisa tested on intake, and again in
>>         three months, if we still had them. We offered follow-up testing
>>         to adopters. No positives were allowed to leave, and every one
>>         tested negative (both Elisa and IFA) at 3 months. I figured I was
>>         just very, very lucky.
>> 
>>         Fast forward. Two years ago I re-tested my whole population. Elisa
>>         negative. All of them. Just after that, I added a new cat. He was
>>         in quarantine for three months. Clean Elisa at both times. In
>>         March, he tested positive, after a very stressful bout of struvite
>>         stones. I was devastated. Now what? Well, since then one more (of
>>         my original household) has tested +. Another is likely. I'm not
>>         re-testing everyone. I'll test as they need to go in for the
>>         complications.
>> 
>>         Here's what "Shelter Medicine" (UC Davis) has to say about FeLV 
>>testing;
>> 
>> "What additional tests are available?
>>  
>>  Cats testing positive by the ELISA test on serum should ideally be
>>  retested either using an ELISA test from a different manufacturer or by
>>  sending the appropriate sample for an IFA test at a diagnostic
>>  laboratory. If both tests are positive, the cat is very likely
>>  persistently infected. To be absolutely certain, cats can be held and
>>  retested after 30 days if resources are available and the cat can be
>>  appropriately housed and isolated (for the protection of the cat and
>>  population; see below). Because the IFA is less sensitive (more prone to
>>  false negatives) than the ELISA test, a negative IFA result in a cat
>>  testing positive ELISA can not be taken as an indicator that the

Re: [Felvtalk] Charles & fluid

[Lee Evans]

It's called Neoplasene for cancer. It does work some of the time but it did not 
work on Puss-Puss because her cancer was too advanced I think. She had a tumor 
that was coming from her hock bone. She didn't seem to mind the liquid though. 
My friend actually tasted a bit of it to see if it was horrendous but it 
wasn't. Her cat had an ear tumor but eventually died in spite of the 
Neoplasene. But it's probably good for squamous cell carcinoma on the surface 
of the skin.


 
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> From: "dlg...@windstream.net" 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 6:04 PM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles & fluid
> 
>
>I have been involved with Lil Bit lately, so may have missed something.  I am 
>on a cancer group and am using the black salve on my leg to get rid of a 
>Lymphoma and taking a tonic.  This stuff seems to cure just about everything.  
>It is bitter, but many of the members swear by it.  Could be it could help 
>Charles. I use a 3ml syringe and shoot it into he side of her mouth and then 
>stroke her throat to make her swallow it.  If you would like, I could 
>recommend you for membership.
>
> Lorrie  wrote: 
>> Hi Marci,
>> 
>> Depending on his condition, meaning if this fluid is going 
>> to keep filling his lungs, you may have to continue using the
>> lasix for the rest of his life.  Your vet will know and meanwhile
>> keep a close eye on him.  I am so glad he is better for now.
>> 
>> Lorrie
>> 
>> 
>> On 08-12, Marci Greer wrote:
>> >     Hi everyone,
>> > 
>> >    Thanks so much for all your thoughts! Charles is slowly improving, his
>> >    breathing is a lot better, he is still "slow" walking and moving
>> >    around, I would say that is expected. We will do more x-rays when the
>> >    fluid is hopefully gone to see more, and blood work.  Does anyone have
>> >    any idea how long the fluid should take to get out? I guess it would
>> >    depend on how much fluid there is?  It is hard to see him so slow and
>> >    grouchy! But on a positive note, when I was making his food to hide his
>> >    pill in, he was rubbing on me, he was also trying to get in the
>> >    refrigerator! Ha! Thanks again everyone so much!
>> > 
>> >    Thanks
>> >    Marci, Allyn & Charles
>> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 6

[Lee Evans]

There is really no definitive lab test for FIP and most cats can come up with a 
high titer for the corona virus without showing any symptoms while others have 
a lot titer and may actually have the mutated form of the virus. It's a very 
aggravating disease because it keeps playing hide and seek.


 
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> From: Shelley Theye 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 3:03 PM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 6
> 
>
>Hi Marcy,
>
>I didn't get your original email, but did see Margo's response.
>I seem to be having problems with only receiving some emails since recently 
>joining this list.
>
>I don't have much experience with FeLV related illnesses yet, but I just 
>wanted to ask if they ruled out something like hypertrophic cardiomyopathy?  
>Heart failure could cause fluid, and in that case, steroids should NOT be 
>given.  But lasix can be given.
>Since they already gave him a steroid shot, just keep a good eye on him.
>
>My cat, years ago, was fine one day and then his chest became full of fluid.  
>His only symptom was that he coughed a tiny bit 
>as though he had a hairball, and he didn't want to eat his breakfast which was 
>very out of character for him.  Lasix helped him.  
>That was his only treatment.  They checked his heart at a later appt. and it 
>was fine.  Initially they thought FIP, but it wasn't (we did a titer and it 
>was neg.), and after that incident he was fine and lived many more years!  The 
>vet didn't want to check the chest fluid at the time because
>she had lost a cat doing that once, so she just used lasix.
>
>My theory was that he had a heartworm, and the ivermectin that they gave him 
>for ear mites  a week prior might have killed the
>heartworm, and it broke up and caused the fluid...but will never know for 
>sure.  This all happened shortly after I adopted him
>as an adult cat.
>
>Hope Charles begins to feel better. 
>
>Shelley
>
>On Aug 10, 2013, at 3:09 PM, Margo wrote:
>
>> 
>> Hi Marcy,
>>  
>>             Sorry to hear Charles is having problems. In an FeLV positive 
>>boy, my first thought is lymphoma. While it isnt always FeLV related, the 
>>possiblity is there. I'd suggest joining the feline lymphoma list
>>  
>> http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/feline_lymphoma/
>>  
>>              and getting familiar with what you may be up against. Since 
>>Charles has not been formally diagnosed, it could be anything, so this would 
>>just be a way to learn of the different ways to diagnose and treat certain 
>>tumors. Here's a pretty concise description of the different ways lymphoma 
>>can manifest;
>>  
>> http://www.fabcats.org/owners/cancer/lymphoma.html
>>  
>>               I will hope that it turns out to be something simply remedied, 
>>and not a tumor, but better to be prepared with what kind of treatment you 
>>are interested in, if any.
>>  
>> All the best
>>  
>> Margo
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> -Original Message- 
>> From: Marci Greer 
>> Sent: Aug 10, 2013 2:40 PM 
>> To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 6 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> Hi everyone,
>> We took Charles (felv+) to the vet this morning and they did an xray of his 
>> chest, their is a lot of fluid in his chest cavity, she said it 
>> could possibly be a tumor. She gave him a shot of cortisone and a shot of 
>> Lasix, sent us home with Lasix pills as well.  I am hoping that 
>> the Lasix gets rid of all of the fluid and hopefully we can by some time if 
>> it is a tumor.  If anyone has any advise or thoughtsI don't want
>> to loose one of our babies.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 7

[Lee Evans]

If he has an appetite and is doing normal things, like annoying you at the 
refrigerator, it may very well not be FIP. Do you have money to do an 
ultrasound scan? In Texas it costs anwhere from $200 to $300 but if you have a 
caring and compassionate vet, he may only charge $175. I have had a lot of 
success with diagnosing serious mystery illnesses with ultrasound. It's 
non-invasive. It will show abnormalities that x-ray sometimes misses. If 
Charles is not a very nervous cat when handled by vets and technicians he may 
be a good candidate for ultrasound. None of my cats had to be sedated for the 
procedure, just had their bellies shaved.  The nice thing is that you can be 
with him since it's not radioactive or harmful to humans. I stayed with my cat 
Bo Jangles when he had his ultrasound. Unfortunately, he was in the last stages 
of FIP but they also saw many small tumors in his organs. But at least the 
ultrasound was not scary to him. If you go this route be
 sure you get a veterinary physician who specializes in ultrasound and can read 
the results.


 
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> From: Marci Greer 
>To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
>Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 12:57 PM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 7
> 
>
>
> 
>
> Hi everyone,
> 
>Thanks so much for all your thoughts! Charles is slowly improving, his 
>breathing is a lot better, he is still "slow" walking and moving around, I 
>would say that is 
>expected. We will do more x-rays when the fluid is hopefully gone to see more, 
>and blood work.   Does anyone have any idea how long the fluid should take to 
>get out? I
>guess it would depend on how much fluid there is?  It is hard to see him so 
>slow and grouchy! But on a positive note, when I was making his food to hide 
>his pill in, he was rubbing on me, he was also trying to get in the 
>refrigerator! Ha! Thanks again everyone so much!
> 
>Thanks
>Marci, Allyn & Charles
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Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 6

[Lee Evans]

Is Charles eating normally? If he is then it may not be FIP. Did she check his 
heart? Lasix can't hurt anyway. If it's not FIP it will take the pressure off.


 
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> From: Marci Greer 
>To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
>Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 1:40 PM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 6
> 
>
>
> 
>
> 
>
>Hi everyone,
>We took Charles (felv+) to the vet this morning and they did an xray of his 
>chest, their is a lot of fluid in his chest cavity, she said it 
>could possibly be a tumor. She gave him a shot of cortisone and a shot of 
>Lasix, sent us home with Lasix pills as well.  I am hoping that 
>the Lasix gets rid of all of the fluid and hopefully we can by some time if it 
>is a tumor.  If anyone has any advise or thoughtsI don't want
>to loose one of our babies.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Desperate Rescuer

[Lee Evans]

 Need to call her and get her permission to do that and get her full address. I 
know how to go there but don't know the full address. Back to you in a while. 
This laptop is overheated and need to shut down.

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> From: Margo 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>Sent: Thursday, August 8, 2013 12:53 PM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Desperate Rescuer
> 
>
>
> 
>
> 
>Hi Lee,
>> 
>>   I tried to send you a private email, but I guess it went 
>>astray. If you could email me privaely with Karen's full name and a delivery 
>>address, I can help with food.
>> 
>>Margo
>> 
>>-Original Message- 
>>From: Lee Evans 
>>Sent: Aug 8, 2013 12:22 PM 
>>To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
>>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Desperate Rescuer 
>>
>>
>>Great idea! I have a PayPal account which I need because I work from online 
>>in several different types of jobs and companies (independent contractor) so 
>>be sure to earmark it for Community Cats. That way I will be able to give her 
>>whatever donations come in. If you could post on Facebook, that would be even 
>>more of a help. My Facebook page is under my online name at a company I have 
>>been working for over 10 years and I'm not allowed to use it for private 
>>purposes. I don't have a FB page of my own. Facebook Phobia? Thanks again. I 
>>will get the info together and send it to you at your private email address.
>>
>>
>>
>> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Desperate Rescuer

[Lee Evans]

Great idea! I have a PayPal account which I need because I work from online in 
several different types of jobs and companies (independent contractor) so be 
sure to earmark it for Community Cats. That way I will be able to give her 
whatever donations come in. If you could post on Facebook, that would be even 
more of a help. My Facebook page is under my online name at a company I have 
been working for over 10 years and I'm not allowed to use it for private 
purposes. I don't have a FB page of my own. Facebook Phobia? Thanks again. I 
will get the info together and send it to you at your private email address.


 
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> From: Heather 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>Sent: Thursday, August 8, 2013 11:15 AM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Desperate Rescuer
> 
>
>
>If there is a paypal address that donations may be made to and passed to her, 
>let me know and I will try to do some networking on FB.  I can also post a 
>physical address that checks or gift cards can be mailed to if she doesn't 
>mind that being out there (would need her full name, address, and someone's 
>Paypal address for the first idea I mentioned, which I do think is most likely 
>to draw contributions since then people can stop right there and contribute 
>online before they forget).
>
>
>On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Lee Evans  wrote:
>
>Yes, I have gone online (she has no computer, can't afford to buy one) and 
>looked into the Pet Food Stamps program but since Karen has a job and is 
>single she is not eligible. I seems like you have to be totally down and out 
>to get any help, especially for animals. I can't get Medicaid because I am 
>regularly paying a mortgage on a house and I desperately need dental work. So 
>there you have it. The great American dream for those of us who actually are 
>doing the right thing has turned into a nightmare. Can anyone help Karen with 
>a donation of a gift card from a pet food supply store? That way she could 
>save some of her hard earned money to make a down payment on something that 
>she can drive to work and to her cat colonies every day, like she used to. She 
>had just paid off the car she had when the transmission cracked. She didn't 
>have air conditioning either and the windows stopped functioning. Needed 
>another car even before the transmission went belly up.
>>
>> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Desperate Rescuer

[Lee Evans]

Yes, I have gone online (she has no computer, can't afford to buy one) and 
looked into the Pet Food Stamps program but since Karen has a job and is single 
she is not eligible. I seems like you have to be totally down and out to get 
any help, especially for animals. I can't get Medicaid because I am regularly 
paying a mortgage on a house and I desperately need dental work. So there you 
have it. The great American dream for those of us who actually are doing the 
right thing has turned into a nightmare. Can anyone help Karen with a donation 
of a gift card from a pet food supply store? That way she could save some of 
her hard earned money to make a down payment on something that she can drive to 
work and to her cat colonies every day, like she used to. She had just paid off 
the car she had when the transmission cracked. She didn't have air conditioning 
either and the windows stopped functioning. Needed another car even before the 
transmission went belly up.

 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Desperate Rescuer

[Lee Evans]

Thanks for your reply. Unfortunately, Karen and I have both worked on this 
problem, I on the computer and Karen asking friends, rescuers and others for 
some help, mostly to no avail. The TNR group here is San Antonio Feral Cat 
Coalition. They do not have a shelter situation so get very little cat food 
donations. They have already contributed to her as much as they can but as I 
said, she has to feed these cats every day. She is getting free TNR 
certificates from Animal Care Services which is out local kill-everything 
shelter but the city came on board with kicking and screaming when we were 
trying to force the TNR idea into the animal laws. They finally accepted it 
when public opinion soared in favor and the local newspaper printed several 
articles in support and against what was taking place at the kill shelter (gas 
chamber). But that still leaves Karen without a car and without money to buy 
one if she doesn't get some donations to help with the cat
 food. It's not organizations I'm asking now, it's just individuals who can 
spare a few dollars to call in to Petsmart, Pet Supplies Plus and Petco to get 
her gift cards on file so she can purchase the cat food with at least a little 
help. She also has rent and utilities to pay, which is sucking money out of her 
paycheck and she is not eligible for any steady help from anywhere else because 
she has a job. 

 
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Re: [Felvtalk] introduction and some questions

[Lee Evans]

Hi. I have had experience with three FeLv+ cats turning to negative. You
 have to keep them for about 3 months, then retest with the SNAP non 
heartworm test. I had no idea that the three way test can cause a false 
positive. Anyway, have him retested with a fresh SNAP test and if it's 
negative, it's negative. I have three mixed in with my other cats and no
 problems so far. One has been there for six years and is getting old 
but that's the only problem he has experienced in his entire life after I
 took him in about 5 years ago. As for Interferon or any other major 
medication, if Leo is not having any symptoms, you don't have to stress 
him out with a whole lot of medication. The Lysine is a good preventive 
for several problems in cats so do give him that. There is a formula 
made just for cats. I tried dumping a 500mg capsule divided into their
 4 water bowls and the result was a boycott of the water. I tasted some 
of the lysine powder and it was awful, bitter. So much for an easy 
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[Felvtalk] Desperate Rescuer

[Lee Evans]

This is probably not allowed on this list but I can't just stand by and see my 
friend Karen suffer. She has been feeding about 16 outdoor colonies. She 
watches over the health and welfare of these cats as if they were her own house 
cats. Recently, she has had a really bad run of luck. She rescued a cat who 
needed over $1,000 dollars in eye surgery. i have him now and the surgery saved 
his one remaining eye. Otherwise, he would have been a totally blind cat. She 
also rescued a cat who was bone thin and  combo tested positive for both FIV 
and FeLv cat. She spent several hundred dollars curing him of mange and anemia. 
I fostered the cat and he turned negative for FeLv. He's now in my FIV room 
with 4 other FIV+ cats. Karen has rescued and found homes for over a hundred 
hard case cats, including 3 FeLv+ cats who did not turn. One of them is still 
alive and enjoying life as a healthy pampered puss with a lovely lady. The cat 
is over  6 years old now. Karen
 works an 8 hour a day job. The trouble is that she spends all her pay on 
feeding the colony cats and her three remaining indoor cats. She has spent over 
$1,000 for a cat she rescued and took into her own house and who after a year, 
developed a malignant tumor in her ear canal. The cat lived with it for several 
months, on medication and vitamins until she passed away suddenly one 
afternoon. And now, another disaster has hit my friend. He car died. She has 
been relying on friends and neighbors to get her to work but she is struggling 
with the cat colony feeding and is running out of money to feed them and even 
to buy her own food. She needs help and there is very little available in San 
Antonio where we both live. I am almost at the poverty level myself, with an 
online job that pays sporadically and two other jobs which are exhausting 
because they involve a lot of driving and delivering so I can't help Karen 
financially. I have over 3 dozen cats of my own
 to deal with. Karen spends more than $70 a week every week. At that rate she 
will never be able to replace her car, even with a junker.  Is there any help 
out there for Karen before she goes under? I was thinking that if people could 
donate pet food gift cards to her that would help alleviate some of the expense 
of feeding the colonies. One person has already done this by calling Petsmart 
and purchasing a gift card over the phone with his credit card. He then 
notified Karen that he had done this and the next time she went to the store, 
they told her she had a gift card credit. I think that all pet food stores have 
this system now. Anyway, if you are able to help, even a few dollars would be a 
blessing. I'm sorry to bother the list with this problem as we are all 
struggling with vet bills for our special needs cats but I am watching my 
friend get more and more depressed and desperate every day and I can't just 
stand by and do nothing. Lots of cats are
 depending on her for their very lives. Thanks for reading this long post. 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Leaving the group

[Lee Evans]

Terri - I just love that Tomato Vampire that you added to Siggie angel's name. 
I still have a vampire cat. He's a bread vampire. I cannot leave an unguarded 
loaf of bread anywhere in sight. He once got into the laundry room where I left 
a couple of bags of groceries, including a bag with a loaf of whole wheat 
bread. When I returned, you can guess what had happened. Bread EVERYWHERE! 
Slices on the washing machine, on the dryer, mixed in with a turned over bag of 
clothes to be washed, all with bite marks. The Bread Vampire had struck big 
time. His real name is Bitsie. A tuxedo darling. I wouldn't trade him for all 
the loaves of bread in Whole Foods Market.


 
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> From: Terri Brown 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2013 6:42 PM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Leaving the group
> 
>
>
> 
>I haven't had any FeLV+ cats since 2005, and I'm still lurking about!
> 
>This is the best list -- some of the folks here have been here a long 
time.
> 
>=^..^= Terri, Guinevere, Travis, Dori, Kimiko and 8 furangels: Ruthie, 
Samantha, 
>    
Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome, Sammi and Siggie the Tomato Vampire =^..^=
>- Original Message - 
>>From: Lorrie 
>>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>>Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 7:01 
PM
>>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Leaving the  group
>>
>>Absolutely right Lee.  I love this group and I'd never  leave even
>>if I lost my last FelV cat.
>>
>>Lorrie
>>
>>On 07-02, Lee 
  Evans wrote:
>>>    Losing an FeLv+ cat either by the cat 
  passing away or wandering away is
>>>    not a good reason 
  to leave this list. At the present time I don't have
>>>    
  any FeLv+ cats living with me although I have a few FIV+ ones. But 
  I
>>>    have not quit the list because new information is 
  always cropping up
>>>    and it's good to know it for the 
  future. Also, these people feel like
>>>    friends, as 
  well as other issues are always discussed that effect 
  cats
>>>    in general.
>>> 
>>>    
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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[Lee Evans]

Losing an FeLv+ cat either by the cat passing away or wandering away is not a 
good reason to leave this list. At the present time I don't have any FeLv+ cats 
living with me although I have a few FIV+ ones. But I have not quit the list 
because new information is always cropping up and it's good to know it for the 
future. Also, these people feel like friends, as well as other issues are 
always discussed that effect cats in general. 


 
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> From: Beth 
>To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
>Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2013 8:01 AM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
> 
>
>
>Patricia -
>
>Have you put up flyers around your complex?
>I had a cat escape when some workers were working at a condo I used to live 
>at. We didn't see him for a week, but still put out food & let all the 
>neighbors know. A neighbor spotted him & we found he was living in a crack 
>between 2 buildings. I had to hire a professional pet rescuer to get him. out. 
>It took 2 weeks to get him back.
>I really had thought I would never see him again, but, my vet told me to keep 
>looking. She said cats rarely ever go far.
>I hope you find your baby.
>
>Beth
>
>
>
>Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
> 
>
>
>
>
> From: Patricia Romagna 
>To: "Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
>Sent: Monday, July 1, 2013 8:15 PM
>Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
> 
>
>
>Hi, 
> 
>I'm sorry but I will need to leave your discussions.  My cat, William (as in 
>Shakespeare) ran away last month.  I just hope that he found a loving family.  
>When I went away for a week and a half I hired someone to come to my house 
>just in case he returned home.  I live in a townhouse community so every house 
>looks the same and he never left the house before.  I will probably get 
>another high needs cat.  I adopted William knowing that he had leukemia.  
>Basically I want to adopt a cat that no one else wants.  Wishing all of the 
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Re: [Felvtalk] OT-diatomaceous earth - warning

[Lee Evans]

It is created as a calcium supplement (the same as ground up egg shells). It's 
used as a calcium supplement for farm animals and dogs. As long as it's being 
mixed into wet food it's not a desiccant. It's only when it's inhaled or spread 
as a powder on skin that it has that effect. However, I have never tried 
feeding it to the cats to prevent fleas. Years ago, brewers yeast was supposed 
to be good at preventing fleas when fed to cats. It did absolutely nothing 
except annoy my cats and get me scratched a few times. 


 
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>Sent: Monday, July 1, 2013 7:48 PM
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> 
>
>
> 
>I know someone that FEEDS it to her cats. That can't be good after hearing 
>your experience. If it's a desiccant, then I would think it might cause 
>internal damage. Anyone know anything about that?
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>> Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 17:50:19 -0500
>> From: dlg...@windstream.net
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT-diatomaceous earth - warning
>> 
>> I was really thinking of using it in the yard and on the deck and seeing how 
>> that worked.  So far last year and this year we have had NO FLEA OR TICK 
>> PROBLEMS.  The cats only go out on the deck, except Harley.  He goes into 
>> the woods, but has only had 2 ticks and no sign of fleas.  KNOCK ON WOOD.
>>  nOW IF THERE WAS A SOLUTION FOR BUFFALO GNATS.  They raise huge welts on me 
>> and so I spend most of my time indoors until they are gone.  They usually 
>> disappear when it starts getting hot.
>> 
>>  janine paton  wrote: 
>> > I am sorry, I haven't been following this thread but caught the 
>> > diatomaceous warning.  Hoping they still make this, but 1-800-flea busters 
>> > out of FL. is my favorite product to use.  It's a little work, but I think 
>> > I was over zealous the first year.  Third yr I used it, I was not so 
>> > diligent, but it worked just fine.  It is safe, and it lasts a year and 
>> > that's the real bonus.  Takes a few weeks to work, but it really does.  
>> 
>> Janine 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  From: Lorrie 
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>> Sent: Monday, July 1, 2013 5:07 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT-diatomaceous earth - warning
>> 
>> 
>> Very scary Beth,  Thanks for the warning.
>> 
>> 
>> On 07-01, Beth wrote:
>> >    I don't want to start a barrage of OT emails with this post. Just a
>> >    quick warnng to be careful
>> >    I tried the food grade diatomaceous earth this weekend to try to stop
>> >    the fleas. I have all hardwood floors - really old ones, with lots of
>> >    crevices for the flea eggs to hide in.
>> >    I wore a good sanding mask which blocks small particles. I opened the
>> >    windows (as many as I could without danger of the cats getting out).
>> >    I sprinkled it in the product on the floors using a sieve. I gently
>> >    swept it into the cracks in the floor in my bedroom & hallway. If did
>> >    not create any visible dust clouds, etc.
>> >    I went outside, took the mask off & sat for a bit.
>> >    When I went back inside I could not breath. My mouth immediately became
>> >    parched & my throat started closing.
>> >    I grabbed some water & went back outside.
>> >    I spent the rest of the day with the mask back on washing the floors
>> >    trying to get rid of the stuff.
>> >    Please be careful. I am a very active, relatively young  person. I
>> >    don't have breathing issues.  This was quite scary.
>> >    In addition to the breathing issues, some of it got on my skin & it
>> >    just burned.
>> >    Again, yes, this was the food grade kind.
>> >    I know people on this list use it & have no problems. That's great. But
>> >    if you have not tried it, please be careful if you do. Try it in a very
>> >    small area, first.
>> >    I guess I will go back to vacuuming & flea combing.
>> >    I may use the rest in the yard since most of the problem seems to be my
>> >    dog bringing them in from outside.
>> >    Beth
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Re: [Felvtalk] OT-diatomaceous earth - warning

[Lee Evans]

It does have a drying effect on human skin so be sure to wash your hands, arms, 
whatever it contacts. That's how this stuff works. It dries out the fleas. 
Their underside is soft and it simply dehydrates them like prunes. Don't use a 
flour sifter. What I did was take a tablespoon and place it on my shed floor 
(where the fleas were really rocking and rolling and the cats were itching and 
scritching) and with a regular broom swept it slowly and gently from side to 
side and into the baseboard around the floor. I have lino but it's also old and 
slight separations between the each glued down part. So then I kept the cats 
out for 24 hours (do in good weather if you have an outside enclosure attached 
to a cat room) and next day, no polka dots on my pants, no flea bites. Yes, you 
can spread it outside but again, don't poof it into the air if you are 
sensitive and don't do on windy day.  Flea Busters is also good but it's boric 
acid or borax, not good for cats
 to lick from their fur. With diatomaceous earth, you don't have to wait 
several days. Fleas are gone over night. However, make sure you don't inhale or 
you will get all dried out.

 
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> From: "dlg...@windstream.net" 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>Sent: Monday, July 1, 2013 5:50 PM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT-diatomaceous earth - warning
> 
>
>I was really thinking of using it in the yard and on the deck and seeing how 
>that worked.  So far last year and this year we have had NO FLEA OR TICK 
>PROBLEMS.  The cats only go out on the deck, except Harley.  He goes into the 
>woods, but has only had 2 ticks and no sign of fleas.  KNOCK ON WOOD.
>nOW IF THERE WAS A SOLUTION FOR BUFFALO GNATS.  They raise huge welts on me 
>and so I spend most of my time indoors until they are gone.  They usually 
>disappear when it starts getting hot.
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Re: [Felvtalk] goodby little one

[Lee Evans]

She found warmth, food, love and compassion. She lived happily for a short time 
but that's better than living miserably for a long time. She was surrounded by 
people who understood her plight and didn't allow her to suffer. It may not 
have been a long life, but I'm sure for her it was a perfect one. Hugs and 
blessings to you.


 
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> From: "dlg...@windstream.net" 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>Cc: Karen Harshbarger  
>Sent: Monday, July 1, 2013 6:18 PM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] goodby little one
> 
>
>At least she had love with you, that is so important, to know that someone 
>cares.
>
> Karen Harshbarger  wrote: 
>> It is with a sad heart that I remember a little cat that came into our lives 
>> one cold winter morning this past winter.  She lost her battle with feline 
>> leukemia last night.  Little Squirt --- later to become Penelope (Penny) 
>> squeezed her way into our outside kennel and into our hearts.  She was sick 
>> and needed help, shelter and love; which we gave without question.  With 
>> medical care, she seemed to become better. We already had so many cats, so I 
>> put out a cry for help and assistance.  Panora P.E.T.S.. (bless their 
>> hearts) offered to take her and her brother to try to help them find a 
>> forever home.  They found them a foster home while waiting, but soon learned 
>> that Penelope had to leave her brother for a new foster home and a cat 
>> friend (that also has feline leukemia) because it was discovered she had 
>> feline leukemia.  She seemed to be doing okay, but this horrible illness 
>> finely claimed her life.  I remember a beautiful sweet loving cat that
 was so tiny
>>  and loved to be cuddled and cradled like a baby in my arms.  Hopefully her 
>>friend that she made hereour other cat (Tig) that also lost his battle to 
>>this horrible illnessare now playing together in cat heaven and never 
>>know illness or pain again---nothing but happiness.  Poor little Penelope 
>>never found her forever home here on earthbut I know she at least found 
>>love from all of those that tried to help her, including us.  I cried when we 
>>took her to Panora but knew they could give her a better chance of finding a 
>>inside loving home.  Penelope---know we will always love you and Tig, and you 
>>will forever be in our hearts.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Please keep Polli in your thoughts

[Lee Evans]

 
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>Sent: Monday, July 1, 2013 2:06 AM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please keep Polli in your thoughts
> 
>
>
>Convenia is an excellent long term antibiotic that tends to help chronic 
>conditions like stomatitis and chronic diarrhea because it keeps the bacteria 
>down and gives the cat's own immune system a little rest with the continuing 
>battle. That increases the immune system's strength. Also, try giving liquid 
>vitamin such as Nutraved with iron and B vitamins. With all chronic 
>conditions, it's very important to keep stress out of the lives of the cats. 
>Yelling, anger, grief, any negative emotions that are present in the household 
>will take a toll on a cat's emotions also. They are very sensitive. That's why 
>a harsh "no!" will send most of them scurrying under the nearest furniture.
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Callie

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Loose stools are really not a sign of a cat going FeLv+. It could be just about 
anything - from eating something different to stress to an unrelated "bug" that 
you brought in with you from outside. Really Lance, you can't keep a cat in a 
sterile bubble. I'm not saying that a bite from a positive cat is not serious 
but most cats who are well cared for, have enough immunity to ward off anything 
serious from a bite. In addition, Ember is not active for leukemia. She has 
tested positive. Yes, she could spread it through fighting and biting but it's 
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> From: Marcia 
>To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
>Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 11:26 AM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Callie
> 
>
>Me too. I'm not trying to downplay your feelings at all. I just hate to see 
>you be so hard on yourself over this. I tend to do the same and I just need 
>someone to point it out. Give positive vibes, it will help her more than you 
>being stressed(-:
>Take care
>
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>
>
>On Jun 24, 2013, at 7:12 PM, Lance  wrote:
>
>> Thanks, everyone. Please keep our tabby girl (Callie) in your thoughts and 
>> prayers. A bite is very serious, and I suspect that the loose stools mean 
>> she's dealing with the infection. Hoping she ends up as a negative.
>> 
>> Lance
>> 
>> On Jun 24, 2013, at 3:10 PM, Marcia  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Lance
>>> We don't have control over everything. C'mon, yours on this list, that 
>>> means you love your cat! And as far as I'm concerned, anybody that loves 
>>> cats the way all of us do, is a damn good human being. -:
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jun 24, 2013, at 12:07 PM, Lance  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi everyone,
 
 Please pray for my mom's cat, Callie. I mentioned her here a few weeks
 ago, after my FeLV+ cat, Ember, bit Callie when she accidentally got
 into Ember's room. Callie has had soft stools for the last four days,
 and there was blood on her stool on Saturday. Since Callie hasn't been
 vaccinated since she was a kitten, she probably has no immunity from
 that route. She is 7 years old, and I'm hoping that she'll be able to
 deal with the virus better having a more mature immune system. People
 talk about age resistance with FeLV, but I don't think it can be
 "relied" on.
 
 I'm dealing with an incredible amount of guilt over this. I love Callie
 like I love Ember. She's one of my favorite cats ever. It was my fault
 that she got into Ember's room, and it's my fault that Ember is still
 here with my parents. It's also my fault that we didn't vaccinate
 Callie, as I worried about vax site sarcoma for Callie, and the few
 run-ins that had happened between the two cats over the last seven years
 were always brief and friendly. I also feel guilty as, if I'd just
 gotten in the room (quite literally) a minute or so sooner, this
 wouldn't have happened. 
 
 Please pray that Callie can fight the virus so that she isn't
 persistently infected, and please pray for me. I'm dealing with a lot. 
 
 Thanks,
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Callie

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> From: Lance 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 1:50 PM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Callie
> 
>
>The hardest part is that this was preventable. Not all accidents are,
>but when they are, they feel all the more tragic. 
>
>I'm talking to an alternative medicine vet at 3:30 to see if she thinks
>DMG would be a good idea. I'd prefer to get the go-ahead from a
>professional. Really, it's up to Callie's immune system to recognize the
>virus and react appropriately. I want to be hopeful, but I'm so
>concerned and depressed that it's hard to not despair. I am trying to
>tell myself that being positive is the only way forward, but it doesn't
>always stick, especially when I wake up and remember what's happening. 
>
>I appreciate the kind words and support that I've gotten here. 
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] We let Bubba go.

[Lee Evans]

I know you feel pain and grief but be happy that Bubba is not in pain and not 
feeling uncomfortable any more. You did the unselfish thing. 


 
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> From: Marcia 
>To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
>Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 10:57 AM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] We let Bubba go.
> 
>
>
>I'm so sorry Beth. It's always so hard to let them go. They bring so much to 
>our lives. Bury him in your heart.
>Take care Beth
>Marcia
>
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>
>
>On Jun 24, 2013, at 7:42 AM, Beth  wrote:
>
>
>We did the ultrasound Friday. It showed enlarged spleen & kidneys. Vet thinks 
>spleen was probably cancerous. I was not putting him through any more. He had 
>just been laying around for 2 1/2 weeks, mostly having to be force fed. I did 
>that with my 1st FeLV & I said I would never do it again. I did it at 1st 
>because he had a URI & I knew he could get over that. But once that was gone 
>he didn't get better as far as activity & eating.
>>It was a really sad decision. I had had a tough time with him at first 
>>because he peed on everything. Thanks to some things I learned from watching 
>>Jackson Galaxy we got him out of that habit & he was becoming a total 
>>sweetheart. He just loved to walk up to you an put his head against you. 
>>Some hit you harder than others. This was pretty difficult. The lady who 
>>found him is having him cremated for me.
>>
>>
>>Thanks guys for just being there.
>>
>>
>>Beth
>>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Healing thoughts for Bubba

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>
> From: Lee Evans 
>To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
>Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 5:17 AM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Healing thoughts for Bubba
> 
>
>
>Hi Beth - I just had a similar problem with Percy. He's a cat who originally 
>tested FeLv+ but turned to negative after 3 months of intensive care, feeding, 
>vitamins, and vet treatment. So a couple of weeks ago, he suddenly stopped 
>eating. He was a real fatso and lost about 2 pounds in 2 weeks. Took to vet 
>for what looked like eye infection. Poor cat had a 103 fever. Since Percy is a 
>difficult boy to pill (unless you like bitten fingers and scratched arms) the 
>vet gave him Convenia, a long acting antibiotic injection. In 3 days he was 
>eating, grooming and acting normal (being a pest when I scooped the litter box 
>and standing on my foot). He still isn't up to par though. I can feel his 
>backbone which is not good since he originally looked like a furry whale. I'm 
>still concerned with his health but so far, he's gobbling up his food 
>normally. Ask your vet about Convenia. It's not for everyone but it is for 
>caregivers who want to survive caring for an ill
 and ill tempered cat.
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Healing thoughts for Bubba

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For fleas in your house you might want to use FOOD GRADE diatomaceous earth. Be 
sure it's the food grade, not the other type because the non-food grade can get 
into the lungs and cause all sorts of problems. I had a major flea infestation 
in my outside enclosure shed which is home to ten cats who are inappropriate 
for house living. My friend gave me a bag of food grade diatomaceous earth 
which I spread on the floor of the shed and swept it on in a very thin layer. I 
closed the shed door for that day and night (good weather so the cats could be 
in their outside completely escape proof area. The next day, when I went into 
the shed and then stepped outside, there were no nasty black little specks 
hopping on my pants leg. Nothing. The fleas were gone. It was then easier for 
the Frontline Plus I use on the cats to do its thing. I even treated part of 
their yard with the stuff with excellent results and no harmful chemicals. The 
food grade diatomaceous earth
 is used as a supplement in feed for cows, horses and dogs so even if the cats 
lick it off their fur, it will do no harm. It's a calcium supplement. It's 
excellent for treating carpets and if you don't mind a grey sheen on your lino 
or wood floors, it's good for that also. For floors, sweep it around the 
woodwork along the walls and down into crevices where the lino doesn't fit so 
well against the wall, if you have that problem. It's great for dark closets 
and behind appliances, even for treating sofas and futons, if you vacuum it out 
after a few hours. Diatomaceous earth works on the principle of dehydrating the 
soft underside of the flea. What you end up with is a dead, dehydrated flea. It 
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> From: JC 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 7:43 AM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Healing thoughts for Bubba
> 
>
>
>He's in my thoughts and prayers, as are you..
>
>--- On Wed, 6/12/13, Lance  wrote:
>
>
>>From: Lance 
>>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Healing thoughts for Bubba
>>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>Date: Wednesday, June 12, 2013, 12:59 PM
>>
>>
>>Poor Bubba! I'm sorry he's having such a rough time, and a rude bite on the 
>>tail to top it off. Hopefully he can clear the Hemobart and move on. I'll add 
>>him to the purrayers list.
>>
>>
>>Best wishes to you and Bubba,
>>
>>
>>Lance
>>
>>
>>On Jun 12, 2013, at 2:51 PM, Beth  wrote:
>>
>>Hey guys need some positive energy for one of my FeLV fosters - Bubba. He had 
>>been battling a URI. Tried a couple different antibiotics, and finally, after 
>>a week the URI cleared &  he started eating on his own last Sunday. Well as 
>>soon as I took him off the Doxy he started going down again. 
>>>We went to the shelter this afternoon & thankfully they had a wonderful vet 
>>>volunteering who has experience in FeLV kitties.
>>>We're wondering now if he has Hemobart since he starting going down after 
>>>withdrawing the Doxy. His gums were pink, though. I've had a constant battle 
>>>with fleas. Advantage was no longer working so I switched  Frontline, but 
>>>that
 doesn't seem to be working well either.
>>>He got fluids, more Doxy, Prenisone, Cyproheptadine, Capstar & AD. 
>>>On top of that it looks like he has a cat bite o
 his tail. Poor baby. Going to go home tonight & spend some one-on-one time 
with him.
>>>Just being able to talk to you guys about these babies really helps. At 
>>>least I feel like someone understands how helpless I feel sometimes.
>>>
>>>Beth
>>>
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Re: [Felvtalk] PJ needs a home

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http://www.gofundme.com/35qsb0 You might want to try raising money for PJ using 
this online service. It's free. We just raised over $200 for surgery on the 
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> From: "lernermiche...@aol.com" 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 6:21 PM
>Subject: [Felvtalk] PJ needs a home
> 
>
>
>My rescue trapped PJ, who is not feral but is timid, and he needs a home. He 
>is orange and double positive and 4-5 years old. He is in NJ.
>
>Best Friends has, miraculously, agreed to take him, and if we cannot find him 
>a home we will send him there within the month. However, he will have to 
>endure either being flown by cargo and then driven several hours, or being 
>driven 3-5 days via ground transport with many different drivers. It's across 
>the country. This is hard enough for a negative cat, but I am afraid that 
>level of stress for an already timid cat will crash him given his status. 
>Right now, though, it is our only option.
>
>So I am writing the list one more time in case there is someone out there 
>within a reasonable distance of NJ who would be interested in adopting him. He 
>seems fine with other cats. I do not think he will ever be a lap cat, but he 
>might. He does love being brushed-- will get up and turn around to get us to 
>brush his other side, lol. But he stays in a corner and is scared. 
>
>I can send a picture to anyone interested.
>
>thanks,
>
>Michelle L.
>Flanders, NJ
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Re: [Felvtalk] PJ needs a home

[Lee Evans]

It would not be right to send him in cargo and the very long road trip would be 
stressful. Could you get some donations to fly him with a person as their "pet" 
in an airline regulation carrier? I would be willing to contribute $10 to that 
cause. He actually may turn from FeLv+ to just FIV+ if kept for two months and 
retested. You can also contact Best Friends. They may donate his airfare or 
part of it. Cargo could be a death sentence for a cat who needs a stable 
environment. Sometimes it's not climate controlled and is either sweltering or 
freezing. Crated dogs could bark all the way from NJ. It's like cat hell. I'm 
in San Antonio, TX, have 2 cats who tested neg. for FeLv after being kept for 
two months and re-tested. Wish I could take the sweet boy but I have 40 cats 
here in my foster/forever/rescued group.


 
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> From: "lernermiche...@aol.com" 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 6:21 PM
>Subject: [Felvtalk] PJ needs a home
> 
>
>
>My rescue trapped PJ, who is not feral but is timid, and he needs a home. He 
>is orange and double positive and 4-5 years old. He is in NJ.
>
>Best Friends has, miraculously, agreed to take him, and if we cannot find him 
>a home we will send him there within the month. However, he will have to 
>endure either being flown by cargo and then driven several hours, or being 
>driven 3-5 days via ground transport with many different drivers. It's across 
>the country. This is hard enough for a negative cat, but I am afraid that 
>level of stress for an already timid cat will crash him given his status. 
>Right now, though, it is our only option.
>
>So I am writing the list one more time in case there is someone out there 
>within a reasonable distance of NJ who would be interested in adopting him. He 
>seems fine with other cats. I do not think he will ever be a lap cat, but he 
>might. He does love being brushed-- will get up and turn around to get us to 
>brush his other side, lol. But he stays in a corner and is scared. 
>
>I can send a picture to anyone interested.
>
>thanks,
>
>Michelle L.
>Flanders, NJ
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Re: [Felvtalk] from: Sherri Meschke subject: Spam??

[Lee Evans]

i always delete any email that has just a link and is from a group of which I 
am a member. Don't need any more viruses.


 
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> From: Michele Fougeres 
>To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
>Sent: Friday, June 7, 2013 6:48 PM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] from: Sherri Meschke subject: Spam??
> 
>
>
> 
>Hi everyone, just wanted to let you know that I have been getting  some spam 
>from this group, please all members check if some of you might have a virus in 
>your computers. This is the second time I receive a link  with a weird address 
>that has nothing to do FeLV. The first one was from another member.
>
>
>Take care and thanks for your time,
>
>
>Michéle :)
>
>
>
>
>Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 14:47:48 -0700
>From: sherrimesc...@yahoo.com
>To: sherrimesc...@att.net; powerfulpeace...@yahoo.com; hbmillho...@gmail.com; 
>d...@mden.com; mrush...@corporatemallservices.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: [Felvtalk] from: Sherri Meschke subject:
>
>
>http://www.acordeonpreciso.com/ib/qdszgvongygarqz/vkmbjezrii
>    
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Re: [Felvtalk] struggling tonight

[Lee Evans]

It's OK Karen. We all panic when our not-so-normal cats get sick because we 
assume that it's the FIV+ or FeLv+ that has kicked in and is going to deprive 
them of their little bit of happiness but I have learned to center myself and 
think positively about cat illness. First I try something obvious, that I would 
with an ordinary cat. In the case of throwing up and not eating, I try 
Petromalt, a hairball and constipation remedy. It's inexpensive and sometimes 
after a few hefty doses, the cat it cured. I also feel ears. Are they hot? Nose 
dry and too warm? That's a sign of fever. Take to vet and get a Convenia shot, 
a long acting antibiotic. Give your cats a feline vitamin compound with iron to 
build up the blood and prevent anemia. Open his mouth and see if his gums and 
tongue are pink, like a normal cat. Flea treat with Frontline Plus for fleas so 
no flea anemia gets him. But also reserve the option of taking him to the vet. 
You don't need massive blood
 tests and other tests. Most cats will respond to an antibiotic, even those who 
are positive for something. Your CRF cat is different. You need to take to vet 
at first sign of illness or at least call the vet and describe the symptoms. 
Cats don't like being hauled to the vet. Stress on top of not feeling well 
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> From: Karen Harshbarger 
>To: "feline_ane...@yahoogroups.com" ; 
>"feline-crf-supp...@yahoogroups.com" ; 
>"felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
>Sent: Friday, June 7, 2013 4:38 AM
>Subject: [Felvtalk] struggling tonight
> 
>
>
>Hi,  I joined all of these group cause I have kittys with all of these 
>illnesses---one with CRF, 4 with feline leukemia, and little Tig that I lost 
>had very bad anemia/feline leukemia/upper respiratory/etc.etc. and 
>unfortunately I know that Anemia is probably coming for my 4 kittys with 
>feline leukemia---just a matter of when. My kitty with CRF has slight anemia.  
>I have 5 other cats that live with me and there are 2 little ones that 
>recently showed up on my patio.
> 
> Tonight I am sitting up with one of my kitties that has feline leukemia 
>because he is sick he is throwing up white bubbly phlem and would not eat 
>tonight.  (before tonight, he was doing so good I thought that he might be one 
>of the lucky ones that would fight off this awful illness before his second 
>test)  
> 
>Cole is very sick and I am very very worried about him and just trying to 
>figure out what I am going to do next so that I don't loose him like I lost 
>his brother little Tig recently
> 
>As I read through all the posts I realize that there are a lot of caring 
>people out there trying very hard to do what I am doingkeep their cats as 
>happy and healthy as they can and with them as long as they can.  It is a good 
>thing that there are so many caring people, but a sad thing that there are so 
>many sick little cats.  .I also wonder how all of you afford to get all the 
>tests and medicines, as I am really struggling with that and not sure how I am 
>financially going to keep up and worry that I am not doing all that I can or 
>should cause I can't afford to do all these expensive blood tests, etc or a 
>regular basis. so that better diagnosis can be done.  I also worry that the 
>vets around here are not up on all the latest things to help my little ones 
>with all their illnesses.and that I am not smart enough to understand it all 
>to figure out if the vet is doing the right thing.  I some times worry, 
>especially nights like this when I sit up
 tired and very worried with a sick little cat that I did not know enough or do 
enough for little Tig, causing him to leave this world at only 11 months old.  
I also worry that I am not giving these little guys all that they need. 
> 
>Would love hearing any suggestions.  Sorry about the rambling.  I am just 
>struggling to find direction as I sit up with poor little sick Cole as he 
>struggles with this awful illness.    Thanks, Karen 
>harshbargerka...@yahoo.com
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Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: prayers

[Lee Evans]

Throwing up and not eating may be from hairballs, especially if it's the bubbly 
phlem type of throw up. Try to think simple. If a cat who was negative for 
everything had this situation happen, you probably would think simple situation 
first. Try a hairball remedy like Petromalt or Laxitone before rushing out and 
spending hundreds of dollars. One of my foster cats, real fat girl, suddenly 
stopped eating, was dragging her hind quarters. Thought it might have been 
paralysis, all sorts of nightmarish things but then decided maybe she was 
constipated. Yup! After several hefty doses of Petromalt, she plopped a big 
one, threw up a giant hairball mess and started eating like a fat girl 
again.I'm not saying that you shouldn't take him to the vet but try the simple 
stuff first. Then if in a day it doesn't work, take to vet but don't diagnose 
him yourself and assume it's because he's FeLv+.


 
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> From: Karen Harshbarger 
>To: Carmack Alicia ; "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
>; "jkd...@gmail.com"  
>Sent: Friday, June 7, 2013 3:26 AM
>Subject: [Felvtalk] Fw: prayers
> 
>
>
>Okay, now my request for prayers has turned to a plea for help!  See below 
>what is going on with Cole tonight.  Now he is throwing up white bubbly phlem 
>besides refusing to eat.  I am getting so worried about him.  How can he go 
>from playing, happy, eating, etc; to not eating anything and throwing up so 
>quickly!  I don't know who to turn to, what to do, or which vet to go to (Dr 
>Dill--our caring 50year experienced vet that tends to do things the more old 
>fashioned way, Allgood Vet in Burlington that we just started seeing sometimes 
>for blood tests so I am not sure how experienced they are with feline leukemia 
>or take him to the 24 hour 7 day a week emergency in Iowa City that wasn't 
>able to help Tig, although he may have been to far along for any help, but 
>they are very expensive and I am not sure how much more vet bills I can 
>afford) ; and I am so scared for Cole.  I have already lost Tig and so 
>quicklyI just can't loose Cole now too so
 soon.  I hope to be more proactive with Cole and nip this in the bud before it 
takes over and the leukemia kicks in full force---I so want to give him a few 
more happy years that he so deserves.  Anyone have any ideas?  I am so not good 
at this and need help.  I worry that I should have been doing more already, but 
they all seemed to be doing pretty good so I hated to be pumping a bunch of 
medicine into them before they needed it---but guess this is where I failed.  
When Ash got some scabs scratched off and was bleeding, I took him to the vet 
for medicine so he would not get infection.  But if they were doing good I 
thought all I needed to do was make sure they got a good balanced diet and 
love.  Many of you talk of inferion, but that sure didn't seem to help Tig at 
all---it actually seem to make him worse faster, so I guess I am afraid of 
that.  But I am so very worried about Cole and would really appreciate hearing 
your suggestions  My email
 is harshbargerka...@yahoo.com for those of you that don't have it.  Thanks, 
Karen
>
>
>- Forwarded Message -
>From: Karen Harshbarger 
>To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
>Sent: Friday, June 7, 2013 2:30 AM
>Subject: prayers
> 
>
>
>Just need some prayers tonight for Cole.  He tested positive along with his 
>brothers for feline leukemia about 3 months ago.  The have all been doing 
>pretty good, eating well, playing, happy and loving, etc.  But then two of his 
>brothers started having problems with scab like bumps and the vet doesn't seem 
>to know what it is.  Now Cole refused to eat his supper tonight and I am so 
>worried for him and his brothers.  They are due for their second test in about 
>a week.  They were doing so good I was hoping that they would test negative 
>and was able to fight their exposure.  But now with this I am so afraid for 
>them.  And not eating is the worst, cause I am so afraid he won't start eating 
>again.  Please say a prayer for him that it is just a little normal stomach 
>upset and tomorrow he will clean his plate at breakfast.  
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] prayers

[Lee Evans]

The scabs are most likely a flea allergy or some other type of allergy. I have 
a cat who was covered with the scabs. Flea treated him several times during a 6 
month period, scabs were much less. He still gets them occasionally but nothing 
like the first time. He's a long hair so probably gets a few more fleas than a 
short hair. As for not eating, if that persists, try syringe feeding him or buy 
some KFC regular chicken (not spicy) and see if he reacts with an appetite. You 
have to realize that when a cat is positive for FIV or FeLv and gets sick, it 
is most likely just a cat who got sick and is not related to the FIV or FeLv. 
But the vet will pounce on a diagnosis of "Oh, it's because he's FIV+ or FeLv+" 
when most likely it's an upset stomach or an URI, just like any other cat would 
get.  Positive energy from the Universe coming your way for Cole. 


 
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> From: Karen Harshbarger 
>To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
>Sent: Friday, June 7, 2013 2:30 AM
>Subject: [Felvtalk] prayers
> 
>
>
>Just need some prayers tonight for Cole.  He tested positive along with his 
>brothers for feline leukemia about 3 months ago.  The have all been doing 
>pretty good, eating well, playing, happy and loving, etc.  But then two of his 
>brothers started having problems with scab like bumps and the vet doesn't seem 
>to know what it is.  Now Cole refused to eat his supper tonight and I am so 
>worried for him and his brothers.  They are due for their second test in about 
>a week.  They were doing so good I was hoping that they would test negative 
>and was able to fight their exposure.  But now with this I am so afraid for 
>them.  And not eating is the worst, cause I am so afraid he won't start eating 
>again.  Please say a prayer for him that it is just a little normal stomach 
>upset and tomorrow he will clean his plate at breakfast.  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Clavamox aka Augmentin

[Lee Evans]

You would have to take a whole lot of Clavamox to make up the mgs. that you 
would need. Augmentin is a much higher mg. dose than what is given to cats.But 
then again, you could take as many pills to make up the difference and you 
would not have to deal with a physician who might report you to the Health 
Department and endanger your cat who simply had a bad fur day and bit you.


 
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> From: Margo 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2013 9:41 AM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clavamox aka Augmentin
> 
>
>
>
>Hi Lorrie,
>
>        Yes, I know, my point was that I always have Clavamox (and other Abx) 
>on hand for the critters, so don't feel the need to keep the "human" form :). 
>Since I get most of my drugs by the bottle, I often find that what I'm giving 
>is actually labeled for human use.
>
>Margo
>
>
>-Original Message-
>>From: Lorrie 
>>Sent: Jun 6, 2013 7:11 AM
>>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clavamox aka Augmentin
>>
>>Margo, you are correct. Clavamox is the vet version of Augmentin
>>for humans.
>>
>>L.
>>
>>On 06-05, Margo wrote:
>>> 
>>> I keep Clavamox,  which of course is the Veterinary version of Augmentin.
>>> Just more convenient :)
>>> 
>>> Margo
>>> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] treatment before symptoms

[Lee Evans]

Ugh! I hate terminology although I do understand some of it from being a 
medical transcriber in human medical practice. The gist of the paper is that 
using AZT and other human drugs on a cat can be risky and should not be done 
except under the control of a veterinary specialist. Your cat could become 
jaundiced because most of these drugs have bad side effects on liver and 
kidneys if given in too large a dose and no effect in the disease if given in 
too small a dose. Why not just wait and see what happens and not subject your 
cat to something experimental and possibly dangerous?


 
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> From: Lance 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2013 8:47 PM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] treatment before symptoms
> 
>
>Along those lines, I found this article, "Discovery of drugs that possess 
>activity against feline leukemia virus".
>
>http://vir.sgmjournals.org/content/93/Pt_4/900.full.pdf
>
>Almost all of the terminology in the paper is beyond me, but what I do 
>understand makes me think that we could have potential treatment options for 
>FeLV at some point in the near future. These drugs are available now; we just 
>need someone to fund (the sticking point, I'm guessing) trials.
>
>This is my last post for tonight. Probably.
>
>On Jun 5, 2013, at 8:20 PM, Lance  wrote:
>
>> I'm wondering if anyone has ever attempted treatment of a potentially 
>> infected cat before the cat showed symptoms or tested positive. Would immune 
>> boosters help, or would  we be playing with fire and possibly making things 
>> worse? It seems like a vet who has done a lot of work with FeLV cats might 
>> have done this.
>> 
>> Along those lines, has anyone actually had a cat on Mega-C who then appeared 
>> to suppress or eradicate the virus?
>> 
>> I'm kind of thinking out loud here, and hopefully not bugging anyone. It 
>> seems to me that the progress of research into FeLV is woefully glacial.
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Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day

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We had a cat scratch (not bite) a vet tech. The stupid tech put her hand in the 
cage to drag the cat out and put him in a carrier for me to take home in spite 
of the fact that I had taped a sign on the cage saying: DO NOT HANDLE THIS CAT. 
THE RESCUER WILL PUT HIM INTO HIS CARRIER. I have a way with feral cats and the 
tech probably thought she was smarter than I am. Ha. It cost me $200 because 
they insisted on quarantine at a vet clinic that's certified to do quarantines 
when the "public" is bitten or scratched. Otherwise, they take the cat to the 
pound and kill him/her to examine for rabies.


 
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> From: Sharyl 
>To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
>Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2013 7:12 PM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day
> 
>
>
>It was the local county health dept that contacted me about doing a home 
>quarantine of my house cat that bit me.  I had even taken a copies of her 
>rabies shot with me when I went to the ER.
> 
>Sharyl
>
>
>From: Lance 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2013 12:00 PM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day
> 
>
>Since we're on this subject, when I was at the doc's last night, he did ask me 
>about the bite. I told him that it had come from an indoor family cat, and 
>explained that she doesn't have any issues. He may have reported this, but I 
>haven't gotten a call. Yet.
>
>He wants me to get a tetanus shot. He said that the shot would be ~$85 at the 
>office, but $5 if given by the Health Department. I sprung for the $5 script, 
>but I'm now wondering if they're going to question me. I'd be willing to pay 
>the money to not have to deal with them, if there's concern that they'll 
>interrogate me or take Callie away.
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Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day

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I'm with Lorrie - keep Augmentin in your medicine cabinet for those occasions 
when you decide to put your hand between two snarling cats. I have done this 
stupid thing twice. Now I just hurl a pot of cold water into the fray and then 
mop the floor as the two go to their respective favorite spots to dry off. If I 
have to separate a couple of entwined rolling cats, I use a broom handle. I 
once just slammed a box over one cat. The other cat looked puzzled, then walked 
away. I held the boxed cat in place for about 5 minutes, then slowly lifted the 
box. He shook himself off and walked away too. If you interrupt their train of 
thought, their focus, the fight goes away if they are neutered/spayed cats. 


 
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>
> From: Lorrie 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2013 5:48 PM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day
> 
>
>Hopefully you won't get a call, but it is always important to get a tetanus
>shot. And because I rescue I keep Augmentin (the antibiotic of choice for
>bites) at home.
>
>Lorrie
>
>On 06-05, Lance wrote:
>
>> Since we're on this subject, when I was at the doc's last night, he did
>> ask me about the bite. I told him that it had come from an indoor family
>> cat, and explained that she doesn't have any issues. He may have reported
>> this, but I haven't gotten a call. Yet.
>> 
>> He wants me to get a tetanus shot. He said that the shot would be ~$85 at
>> the office, but $5 if given by the Health Department. I sprung for the $5
>> script, but I'm now wondering if they're going to question me. I'd be
>> willing to pay the money to not have to deal with them, if there's concern
>> that they'll interrogate me or take Callie away.
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day

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Well, worrying will get you nowhere. It's not action, it's not practical. 
Forget the worry and just take her for a test in a couple of weeks. I doubt 
whether a hissy fit fight will cause anything but a big headache for you. At 
any rate, think about sitting and worrying for an hour a day. Does it do any 
good? 

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> From: Lance 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2013 4:06 PM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day
> 
>
>Tetanus shot acquired. Now, back to worrying about Callie...
>
>I wish there was something that could be given within the first few days after 
>possible exposure, but I don't think there's anything like that. 
>
>I know a lot of people have negatives around positives, but I'm guessing they 
>usually don't jump on each other and bite. I can only suspect that Ember got 
>in a bite or two when they were tumbling. 
>
>Please keep the thoughts, prayers, wishes, and vibes coming.
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Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day

[Lee Evans]

 Here's a suggestion to everyone who has cats or dogs. If your cat or dog has a 
bad hair day and bites/scratches you and you have to go to a doctor or 
emergency clinic because you are having a reaction to the saliva, afraid of 
infection or things like that, DO NOT TELL THEM THAT YOUR ANIMAL did the 
damage. If it's a bite, you can say that your parrot got off his perch and bit 
you or that you hammered a rusty nail into your finger, anything but an animal 
bite. Here where I live, a 4 year old kid was playing with his Chihuahua and 
was probably too rough. The dog nipped him. The parents took the kid to the 
doctor to have the wound cleaned. The doctor reported a dog bite. That evening 
Animal Control showed up with a warrant to confiscate a "vicious dog". The 
family pet was dragged away to Animal Control and the family followed right 
behind. Animal Control said they would have to put the dog to death because he 
was determined to be a vicious dog, having
 bitten a child. The family was aghast. They called the Humane Society and the 
newspaper in an attempt to save their Chihuahua who had been with them for 8 
years. Finally, after several rescue groups and a pro-bono lawyer intervened, 
the dog was returned to the family. The bite didn't amount to anything. But the 
bureaucratic mess that followed from the doctor reporting the bite lasted 3 
weeks.

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Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day

[Lee Evans]

I know that FeLv is infectious but I had two carrier cats who tested negative 
until they were old and had renal failure, then tested positive. However, if 
FeLv were so contagious their housemates would have been infected early on 
because everyone slept in a pile and groomed each other. After Tiger and Twerp 
passed away, I had the other 6 tested. No one was infected and each passed away 
from ordinary cat issues, usually renal failure. I really don't feel like one 
hissy fit between your cats will cause any permanent damage.


 
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> From: Margo 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2013 10:10 AM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day
> 
>
>
> 
>
> 
>Hi Lance,
>> 
>>  Have they ever been vaccinate against rabies? That's 
>>usually enough to allow a "home quarantine" if it even comes up.
>> 
>>  A little late (I'm sorry, I just got to this) but 
>>bathing the negative cat to remove any saliva or other bodily fluids might 
>>help prevent infection if it should happen again. Chances are Callie will be 
>>fine, FeLV is not that easily transmitted.
>> 
>>All the best,
>> 
>>Margo
>> 
>>-Original Message- 
>>From: Lance 
>>Sent: Jun 5, 2013 9:55 AM 
>>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day 
>>
>>Thanks for the good thoughts, everyone. Sharyl, I hope I'm the only one with 
>>a puncture wound. I don't know that for sure. I've felt around on Callie's 
>>neck, tail, and legs, and I haven't found anything yet, but I doubt that I'd 
>>know it if I were touching it. I wish there was something that could be given 
>>within 24-48 hours to prevent an FeLV infection, but I know of nothing like 
>>that.
>>
>>
>>Callie is not up on her rabies vaccine. She doesn't go outside, so my parents 
>>chose not to vaccinate her. Ember  is in the same boat. I'm not sure, but I'm 
>>hoping that this wasn't reported to the health department. That Callie could 
>>now be dealing with an FeLV infection is nightmarish enough.
>>
>>
>>On Jun 5, 2013, at 5:44 AM, Sharyl  wrote:
>>
>>Lance, if you are the only one with a puncture wound I wouldn't worry either. 
>> 
>>> 
>>>Is Callie current on her rabies vaccine?  Since you went to the doc for abx 
>>>you may get a call from the Health Dept.  I know I did when I went to the ER 
>>>for treatment of an infected cat bite.  I had to agree to quarantine my cat 
>>>for 10 days..
>>> 
>>>Sharyl
>>>
>>>
>>>From: Lance 
>>>To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
>>>Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2013 10:53 PM
>>>Subject: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day
>>>
>>>
>>>Hi everyone,
>>>
>>>I wanted to ask for prayers and warm thoughts for my FeLV+ girl, Ember as 
>>>well as my mother's (hopefully) negative cat, Callie. Somehow, Callie got 
>>>into Ember's room, not once, but twice. The first time only lasted for a few 
>>>minutes, but I discovered a terrible cat fight in progress when I got back 
>>>upstairs. To disrupt the chase, I grabbed Callie to remove her from the 
>>>room. I got a bloody finger with three puncture marks in the process.
>>>
>>>Later, I realized I should really get abx for the bite, so my dad took me to 
>>>the doctor. We were gone about an hour. When I got back, I was saddened to 
>>>find that I had stupidly managed to not completely close one of the doors to 
>>>our rooms, and Callie had again gotten in. I don't know that the cats fought 
>>>the second time. I think Callie might have explored the normally off limits 
>>>rooms. I found Ember hiding but unshaken behind some clothes, and Callie 
>>>didn't act like she was on edge, but I have no idea what happened. 
>>>
>>>Needless to say, I'm very concerned about Callie's possible exposure to the 
>>>virus. We've had a few run-ns over the last seven years, but nothing like 
>>>the fight/chase I broke up today. My hope is that Callie being seven years 
>>>old puts her at low risk for infection. She hasn't had any recent vax for 
>>>FeLV, but she had the FeLV (including booster) when she was a kitten. She 
>>>also seems very healthy. 
>>>
>>>There was actually more tough cat stuff today involving a 17 yro diabetic 
>>>who had to go for a dental (this ended on a good note), and my usual 
>>>concerns about Ember. The radiologist hasn't contacted the surgeon after 
>>>almost a week, and Ember probably needs surgical intervention for her 
>>>diaphragmatic hernia.
>>>
>>>Please think of the two girls.
>>>
>>>Lance 
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Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day

[Lee Evans]

I wouldn't worry too much, Lance. Sounds like you got the major part of the 
beating and the two girls are probably laughing at you. Even if fur flew, 
Callie has been around for a while, well fed, in good shape. In about 2 to 4 
weeks you can test her. If negative, then pack up your worries. If positive, 
she may throw it off. I have had 3 underweight, street adults who threw it off. 
Make sure that finger doesn't get red and inflamed and make sure the 
inflammation does not travel down your hand. Don't be shy about seeing a doctor 
but don't tell it's a cat bite, because your doctor may feel obligated to 
report the animal bite. If this happens, you will then have your animal control 
on your back.  They could actually take away your two cats for "observation". 
Stupid things like that happen here in Texas. Sending positive energy from the 
Universe. And hugs for the two contenders.


 
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> From: Lance 
>To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
>Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2013 9:53 PM
>Subject: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day
> 
>
>Hi everyone,
>
>I wanted to ask for prayers and warm thoughts for my FeLV+ girl, Ember as well 
>as my mother's (hopefully) negative cat, Callie. Somehow, Callie got into 
>Ember's room, not once, but twice. The first time only lasted for a few 
>minutes, but I discovered a terrible cat fight in progress when I got back 
>upstairs. To disrupt the chase, I grabbed Callie to remove her from the room. 
>I got a bloody finger with three puncture marks in the process.
>
>Later, I realized I should really get abx for the bite, so my dad took me to 
>the doctor. We were gone about an hour. When I got back, I was saddened to 
>find that I had stupidly managed to not completely close one of the doors to 
>our rooms, and Callie had again gotten in. I don't know that the cats fought 
>the second time. I think Callie might have explored the normally off limits 
>rooms. I found Ember hiding but unshaken behind some clothes, and Callie 
>didn't act like she was on edge, but I have no idea what happened. 
>
>Needless to say, I'm very concerned about Callie's possible exposure to the 
>virus. We've had a few run-ns over the last seven years, but nothing like the 
>fight/chase I broke up today. My hope is that Callie being seven years old 
>puts her at low risk for infection. She hasn't had any recent vax for FeLV, 
>but she had the FeLV (including booster) when she was a kitten. She also seems 
>very healthy. 
>
>There was actually more tough cat stuff today involving a 17 yro diabetic who 
>had to go for a dental (this ended on a good note), and my usual concerns 
>about Ember. The radiologist hasn't contacted the surgeon after almost a week, 
>and Ember probably needs surgical intervention for her diaphragmatic hernia.
>
>Please think of the two girls.
>
>Lance 
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Re: [Felvtalk] concerned

[Lee Evans]

Even one flea can cause flea allergy. It's an allergic reaction to something. I 
have a cat who is FIV+ and also borderline diabetic. He develops scabs on 
occasion, then they go away. And return, and go away, etc.. Some of my other 
cats get scabs, near tail or around neck. One vet told me the tail scabs were a 
reaction to the body oils that the cat produces in that region, especially male 
cats. Mine are all neutered but they still produce body oils. Sometimes there 
is fur loss also, then fur grows back. Scabs can also be a reaction to stress. 
No telling what it is really, but I have had cats living with this "syndrome" 
for many years, normal lives, both ordinary cats and FIV and FeLv+ cats.


 
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> From: Karen Harshbarger 
>To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
>Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 2:59 AM
>Subject: [Felvtalk] concerned
> 
>
>
> Have you ever had any of your cats with Feline Leukemia get scabs on them.  
>One of mine had just a few around his neck for quite some time (even before we 
>got feline leukemia tests results), and now he has got more on his body.  Then 
>either in rough housing or scratching himself, he pulled the scab off of two 
>and they bled pretty bad.  So I took him to the vet, cause I did not want to 
>risk any infections with those open sores.  She did not offer any diagnosis of 
>the scabs---says lots of things could cause.  But she gave him an injection of 
>polyflex  and gave me some medication (Clindamycin Drops) to give him 1 ml a 
>day for 7-14 days.  Now I am noticing these same scabs on the others as I pet 
>them---but no bleeding with them so I have not taken them to the vet for any 
>treatment yet.  Everyone seems fine---eating, drinking, playing and using 
>litter box.  But the scabs have me a little concerned.  With their feline 
>leukemia, I don't want
 to let something get out of control if it could be serious.  They do not have 
fleas---that is something both the vet and I checked for, and they have been 
treated for flea protection.  Thank you, Karen 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Sweet double pos orange tabby boy needs a home

[Lee Evans]

Where do you live? I'm in South Texas, have had a double positive boy. Kept him 
for three months. He turned negative for FeLv, now in my FIV+ enclosure.


 
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> From: "lernermiche...@aol.com" 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 2:19 PM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sweet double pos orange tabby boy needs a home
> 
>
>I can't put him in with the other cats. I wouldn't do it with my own 
>cats, one of whom is FIV+ and thus especially vulnerable to contracting 
>FeLV, because the vaccination is not 100% effective and having seen the 
>ravages of FeLV I would never risk that. But it's not up to me in our 
>foster homes, anyway. I can't make other people put FeLV+ cats with 
>their own negative cats, and we can't expose cats we are saying tested 
>negative to FeLV and then adopt them out when they may be incubating 
>it. Plus we cannot afford to give our foster cats 2 FeLV shots on top 
>of everything else we do; it would add another $40/cat in vet costs 
>even with the discount we get.
>
>thanks, though,
>Michelle 
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Re: [Felvtalk] campaign to get an felv cat to sanctuary

[Lee Evans]

It may not be a scam. There are a lot of these types of contribution sites 
around, mainly because people are struggling with vet bills and animals that 
are difficult to get adopted. Matter of fact, I am developing a site called 
Community Cats in Crisis and going to try to get funds through YouCare, another 
publicly used site for contributions. This is in answer to the fact that 
several people in my independent rescue group have spent over $5,000 of their 
own money dealing with illnesses and injuries of colony cats and abandoned cats 
in our community. I am $3,000 down in my finances from two rescued cats, one 
still surviving with bone cancer.  That said, these people are going about this 
slightly backwards. They should first identify the Sanctuary that has agreed to 
accept Alan so people can contact the Sanctuary and see what it's all about. 
Then they need to find out where Alan will be living at the Sanctuary and what 
other types of cats will be living
 with him. You wouldn't want to mix FeLv and FIV+ cats together. Anyone can 
start a Sanctuary and take in cats. That's a problem. Here near San Antonio 
there was an FeLv sanctuary. The woman had over 100 FeLv+ cats there, all 
crammed into a small shed, with an outside enclosure that was smaller than a 
small backyard. The rest of the property was a sheep ranch. She took very poor 
care of the cats and did not separate those who were positive but not active 
for the disease from those who were already showing signs of the disease. The 
place was filthy, food was rotting or very low grade and symptoms were not 
treated with medications. She had no certification as a shelter or sanctuary or 
certified rescue group. Just a woman using part of her sheep ranch to store 
FeLv+ cats. She would collect up to $2,000 per cat and the people who released 
the cats to her care were shown a very nice living room type area with several 
cats lounging about. They never saw the
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> From: Margo 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 11:32 AM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] campaign to get an felv cat to sanctuary
> 
>
>
> 
>
> 
>Not to be a downer, but this screams scam to me. There is no specific 
>sanctuary who has agreed to accept Alan (and surely they could get a decent 
>picture of him?), nor any details. Way too nebulous. 
>> 
>>I sincerely hope I'm wrong, but no, I wouldn't contribute to this
>> 
>>.-Original Message- 
>>From: dana giordano 
>>Sent: May 26, 2013 12:10 PM 
>>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>>Subject: [Felvtalk] campaign to get an felv cat to sanctuary 
>>
>>
>>I've never seen one of these, but wanted to pass it on in case anyone wants 
>>to reach out to her, knows a sanctuary or wants to adopt.  
>>
>>
>>They have $700 out of $1000 raised with 20 days left 
>>
>>
>>http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/alan-s-sanctuary
>>
>>
>>
>>-
>>Dana
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Re: [Felvtalk] New member from Nebraska

[Lee Evans]

Sorry about all your problems with poor Arlo. Along with the vet's 
recommendations you might want to try L-lysine, which is an immune system 
stimulant, especially for fighting herpes virus. Good luck with Arlo. You're 
doing the best you can. 


 
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>
> From: Marta Gasper 
>To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
>Sent: Friday, May 10, 2013 9:59 PM
>Subject: [Felvtalk] New member from Nebraska
> 
>
>
>Hello, my name is Marta Gasper. I'm Homeless No More cat rescue director in 
>Fairbury, Nebraska.
>One of my foster cats tested FeLV+ on the SNAP and a few months ago also 
>positive on the IFA so he became our cat after he developed some disorders 
>that'd make him hard to adopt.
>Previously we had a cat pulled from a hoarding situation who also was FeLV+ 
>and some time before he succumbed  one of our foster kittens tested leuk +._ 
>Our vet concluded he would have been infected when younger, he was tested 
>after his uris kept returning; although we are no-kill and try to give them 
>the best hospice care sometimes euthanasia is the best option.
> 
>Back to Arlo, our former foster, he's been doing fairly well so other than 
>being isolated he had no treatment. Last week almost overnight stopped eating 
>and bled from his nose, also gagged on and off, making gargling, squishy 
>noises. His mouth smells very bad, vet examined and said it looked good, mild 
>gingivitis only, he guessed the odor would be from further lesions/masses down 
>his throath._ In a few days and coincidentally he's developed bald spots that 
>bleed and dark spots on his fur. Vet said those were bacterial and fungal 
>infections. Right now he's on Clavamox and metacam and is starting to eat 
>again, I suggested interferon_we did have a FIV+ with stomatitis and other 
>problems that made a remarkable comeback on it_and he agreed to administer it 
>though because Arlo has all these symptoms and because he knows we're on a 
>limited budget he talked about considering the euthanasia alternative as Arlo 
>won't get better.
>I understand but if there's a way to make him better I'd try it, don't know 
>how much Interferon is right now etc.
> 
>Question; I've read that some treatments don't work or are not used if the cat 
>is past the second stage and/or has lymphoma. I don't know if and what cancer 
>he has but he's defintely on 2nd stage..should I even try other treatments?
> 
>And another question; we have a nebulizer, can we use it with Arlo, what 
>treatments if so? Thank-you and thank-you for this list
>Marta
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Re: [Felvtalk] What to feed a finicky, sick kitten?

[Lee Evans]

I have very good results from syringe feeding Hills A/D to anorexic cats. I 
saved the life of a cat with a corona virus using a combination of A/D and 
blended Wellness Canned Food, stuffed with liquid vitamins and acidophiles. I 
would sit her on my lap and feed about a quarter of the mixture 4 times a day. 
This poor cat had come to my yard looking fairly good but soon went downhill. 
She was pregnant but had a partial miscarriage in my yard. Then the vet said 
that she was too weak and underweight to spay and was running a fever. So he 
gave her something that would make her abort the rest of the fetuses. It didn't 
but it almost killed her. I dragged her back and told them to spay her because 
anything was better than what she was going through. Her temp was two points 
above normal and she was groaning. They spayed her. Amazingly she survived. 
They pumped her full of antibiotics and returned the poor almost bald skeleton 
to me. I took her upstairs to a
 flea-free isolation room, and began the two month protocol of syringe feeding 
and flea combing her. At the end of the two months, she was eating on her own, 
her fur was growing back and she was jumping in the air after a ping-pong ball, 
her favorite game. She soon began to get chubby and after all her fur grew back 
she looked like some type of calico breed. I sent a picture of her to a woman 
who knows breeds and was told this cat was a Turkish Van. She got adopted in 
2005. I have had to syringe feed several cats, including one with feline 
hepatic lipidosis. I usually put a towel on my lap, wear a shirt that can be 
thrown into the wash afterwards. Then I place the cat on my lap and go to with 
the syringe and food. I pet in between squirts and talk softly and lovingly to 
them so they feel that they are having some quality time also.Always have a box 
or tissue handy to wipe the mess off their mouth after several squirts. This is 
not a neat situation and
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> From: Margo 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>Sent: Friday, May 3, 2013 7:16 AM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What to feed a finicky, sick kitten?
> 
>
>Hi Amanda,
>
>       I'm sorry you're having this problem. First, I'd join Feline assisted 
>feeding;
>
>http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-Assisted-Feeding/
>
>       It is very omportant you address this immediately, to avoid liver 
>problems.
>
>       You will probably have to learn to syringe feed, at least for a short 
>time. Cats who stop eating (for whatever reason) can "forget" how. They need 
>to be reminded. First, I'd ask your Vet for an appetite stimulant, I use 
>cyproheptadine (Periactin) but Mirtazapine is also recommended. Buy a few cans 
>of a/d, and a 10cc luer slip tip syringe. Hills a/d is a concentrated, pureed 
>food that is meant to be syringe fed, and is easy to use. There are others 
>like Clinicare, which is a liquid, but it's not readily available, and is 
>really meant for tube feeding.
>
>       Please don't second guess yourself, it's worth trying. My FeLV boy, 
>Gribble, was in very bad shape at one point, and not expected to live. I 
>syringe fed him for about 2 weeks after he decided eating was not something he 
>wanted to do. That was in April. Today he's playing tag with the dog (his best 
>buddy) and generally making life interesting for the rest of the cats in the 
>household. 
>
>       You might want to check and see if the anemia has returned, that might 
>be somewhere to start with treatment. Gribbs is on Interferon and DMG, but 
>that's it right now. 
>
>All the best to you both,
>
>Margo
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>>From: Amanda Payne 
>>Sent: May 2, 2013 9:11 PM
>>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>Subject: [Felvtalk] What to feed a finicky, sick kitten?
>>
>>Hello everyone!
>>
>>This is my first time using this forum :)
>>
>>I have a ten month old kitty, Polli, who was diagnosed with FeLV about two 
>>months ago.  At that time, she started licking the walls and our potted 
>>plants in addition increasing lethargy.  I took her to the vet where she was 
>>diagnosed with severe anemia related to FeLV.  We were told we'd have to 
>>assist her to the rainbow bridge within days of the diagnosis.  Thankfully, 
>>she's a fighter and is still with us.  However, her appetite has been cause 
>>for worry.  She's crazy about Temptations Treats and deli ham (I know, not 
>>the most nutritious diet but I'm thankful for anything she eats).  The last 
>>two days, though, she won't eat.  I've offered her baby food, Tiki Cat, 
>>Ziwi's wet food, lunch meat, tuna and her favorite treats but to no avail.  I 
>>understand that the end may be near but I want to give everything a shot 
>>before I make that call.  
>>
>>So, my question is, what do you give your cat that they just can't say no to? 
>>I'd love and appreciate any suggestion

Re: [Felvtalk] For Chang......Cat dying at home

[Lee Evans]

Margo, most of my cats are special needs also. Either they have behavioral 
problems (litter box issues mostly) or physical issues - one tripod, one half 
blind, several old, one allergic to something we can't figure out but she loses 
her fur in patches, then grows it back and another has seizure disorder - like 
epilepsy in humans but not as severe. Several have or are developing 
stomatitis. It's just one thing after another. I have one from a colony I used 
to feed who has bone cancer but eats and does everything normally except that 
her days are probably numbered. I seem to be a way station for tossed out cats. 
And you seem to have the same problem. The only way to cope, aside from crying 
24/7 is to just feel you are doing the best you can.

 
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> From: Margo 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 2:58 PM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] For Chang..Cat dying at home
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>  I think I agree with you. This is just so new, and was 
>quite a shock. When it comes to the cats he's been with, I do understand that, 
>as my Vet put it, "that ship has sailed". It's the need to add a cat to them 
>that has me flummoxed. The more I "learn" (as there are so many differing 
>stances, opinions, and conflicting results when it comes to FeLV) the more 
>confused i get. 
>> 
>>   You're right, I will find a way to live with it, I'm 
>>just not there yet. I've dealt with so many other issues (all the cats I kept 
>>were special needs of some kind or other, and considered un-adoptable) that I 
>>thought I had it all under control. Much of it is that I feel so helpless. 
>>There just isn't really anything with any kind of documented success rate, I 
>>can "DO" for him. My cabinet full of meds and very co-operatve Vet are just 
>>plain useless.
>> 
>>   Anyway, thanks for the input. I can just do what I can 
>>do.
>> 
>>Margo
>> 
>>-Original Message- 
>>From: Lee Evans 
>>Sent: Apr 28, 2013 3:15 PM 
>>To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
>>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] For Chang..Cat dying at home 
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>>You could drive yourself crazy worrying about all of that. I had two cats 
>>living in a group of 12 for over 13 years. When they were very old, they 
>>developed renal failure. I took them for sub-q therapy as I do all my renal 
>>compromised cats until I see that the situation has progressed beyond a good 
>>quality of life. However, Tigger and Twerp developed some other symptoms that 
>>were very odd. Twerp had been tested twice for FeLv, Tigger once in the past. 
>>The vet suggested another test. Both were positive and active in the virus. 
>>Both passed away several days after the test. The other 10 cats who had lived 
>>with them, groomed and been groomed by them, shared food, litter boxes and 
>>sleeping nests never tested positive. All are gone now, most living to age 14 
>>and over, all from renal failure except one who had an ear tumor that 
>>progressed rapidly. He had to be euthanized because it was inoperable. I 
>>really feel that worrying and giving off negative feelings
 to the cats is going to do more harm than the exposure to the virus. You have 
to let go sometimes and leave it to the Universe to decide.
>>
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Re: [Felvtalk] For Chang......Cat dying at home

[Lee Evans]

You could drive yourself crazy worrying about all of that. I had two cats 
living in a group of 12 for over 13 years. When they were very old, they 
developed renal failure. I took them for sub-q therapy as I do all my renal 
compromised cats until I see that the situation has progressed beyond a good 
quality of life. However, Tigger and Twerp developed some other symptoms that 
were very odd. Twerp had been tested twice for FeLv, Tigger once in the past. 
The vet suggested another test. Both were positive and active in the virus. 
Both passed away several days after the test. The other 10 cats who had lived 
with them, groomed and been groomed by them, shared food, litter boxes and 
sleeping nests never tested positive. All are gone now, most living to age 14 
and over, all from renal failure except one who had an ear tumor that 
progressed rapidly. He had to be euthanized because it was inoperable. I really 
feel that worrying and giving off negative feelings to
 the cats is going to do more harm than the exposure to the virus. You have to 
let go sometimes and leave it to the Universe to decide.

 
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> From: Margo 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 4:16 PM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] For Chang..Cat dying at home
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>-Original Message-
>>From: Lorrie 
>>Sent: Apr 27, 2013 1:00 PM
>>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] For Chang..Cat dying at home
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>>I also wonder why this indoor cat suddenly became FelV positive<<
>
>
>            I've been wrestling with this. My + boy has been here since Jan of 
>2012, and tested negative before I integrated him into one of my cat groups. 
>After a very stressful bout with FLUTD and catherization, he just never 
>recovered. Bloodwork eventually showed a very low WBC count, and a subsequent 
>SNAP was positive for FeLV, neg for FIV. So, now I've exposed all those cats 
>who live with him. I've been trying to figure it out, and here's one excerpt 
>that helped my begin to understand.  I've also included the link to the whole 
>article, but here is the relevant paragraph.
>
>        " It’s the apparent incidence of regressive FeLV infection that will 
>continue to challenge all of us…ie, what are the clinical consequences of 
>latency in a SNAP negative, healthy cat. Based on information available today, 
>the odds favor the cat…there is a good chance the cat will remain healthy, may 
>eventually clear the proviral DNA, and they are NOT shedding FeLV as long as 
>the virus remains as proviral DNA (latent). Some, however, don’t do as well…a 
>small number of regressive infections will re-activate…this is the adult 
>cat…with a history of having been healthy and FeLV negative for some time 
>(years even). And despite the fact they may have never encountered another cat 
>throughout life…they appear to develop disease spontaneously and may become 
>progressive (IFA or SNAP positive, sick cat)…or…they may develop complications 
>of their infection, including solid tumors (FeLV is an oncogenic 
>retrovirus)…and may become IFA
 or SNAP negative!"
>
>Here's a link to the complete article;
>
>http://www.fvmace.org/FVMA_83rd_Annual_Conference/Proceedings/PDFS/2012%20FeLV%20&%20FIV.pdf
>
>         It's really discouraged me. Makes me think it's probable that all  my 
>"new" cats (those acquired since my move here in 2006) were once infected, and 
>possibly latent. They've all come from this neighborhood. Right now I have one 
>that has to become a housecat, but has been an outside cat all his 4 years. 
>He's tested negative, and I've arranged for him to get the rFeLV vaccine, but 
>is there any point? I just don't know.
>
>         I'm very interewsted in what others think. This is all new to me. In 
>30+ years of rescue, I've never had a cat test positive for FeLV.
>
>Still trying  to get my head around this.
>
>Margo
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Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing & Fostering (Beth)

[Lee Evans]

Been there, done that. Most of the FeLv cats I have taken were from a rescuer 
who has overwhelmed me in the past. I am no longer allowing her to do that. 
Anyway, there is no more room at the inn. I have two cats in my separation 
rooms, one recovering from a blinding eye infection and upper resp. and the 
other who has bone cancer, tumor on leg but is doing OK so far. The partially 
blind cat is one of my own outdoor old biddies. The cancer cat is from a colony 
I used to feed but gave back to the overwhelming rescuer when I moved out of 
the city. I felt obligated to this cat so took her and am giving her whatever 
life she has left. 


 
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> From: Beth 
>To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
>Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 7:21 AM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing & Fostering (Beth)
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>I only have 3 cats of my own left. 2 are quite old & 1 is FeLV positive.
>I do not take in more FeLV fosters unless one passes away.
>I do not take FeLV cats from individuals unless they agree that it is still 
>their cat, just living at my house. I will not be responsible for vet bills or 
>food expenses. It is tough turning people down, but I have to have a sane life 
>& do not want to get overwhelmed. I prefer to educate people that they can mix 
>their cats & keep the FeLV's.
>That being said, I recently agreed to take an FeLV from a lady who volunteers 
>at our shelter & who I have known for years. The cat no more than got to my 
>house & it is clear he has medical issues & she is not returning my calls or 
>emails. This may mark the end of me taking in any FeLV's from individuals,
 period.
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>
> Beth
>Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
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> From: Lee Evans 
>To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
>Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 11:13 PM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing & Fostering (Beth)
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>I had three FeLv+ cats throw it off. They all three were adults. Bunny was the 
>youngest. She tested positive when she was spayed at a shelter. They would 
>usually euthanize them but for some reason she slipped through the cracks, I 
>am pleased to say and the rescuer brought her to me knowing that I would keep 
>her or find a place for her if she did not turn. But she turned. Right now 
>she's annoying two other cats in my computer room. She sleeps with me at 
>night, and is a joyous cat. I would like to find her another home though 
>because I just have too many and can't give her enough attention. My oldest 
>cat, Moses threw it off i about 7 years ago. Percy had both FeLv and FIV. He 
>threw off the FeLv and is now in my FIV room. I have a 5 months old FeLv+ 
>kitten in foster care trying to turn negative. I hope she does. Taco and 
>Smooch, two other FeLv+ cats who were brought to me as strays and tested 
>positive passed away in two years. But at least they had those
 two years extra and weren't deprived of their short lives. I have chosen the 
wrong calling though. I'm much too emotional to be able to cope with this. 
Unfortunately I have no choice. I live from one emotional disaster to another 
these days because my feline family is approaching the older years.
>
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> 
>Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty 
>neighbors too!
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>>
>> From: Beth 
>>To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
>>Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 6:07 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing & Fostering (Beth)
>> 
>>
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>>No, I have never seen one throw the virus off.
>>I think fostering the FeLV cats is probably easier than fostering healthy 
>>cats, actually. I have done that plenty of times, too. At least I don't have 
>>to deal with constantly getting attached to cats only to have them adopted 
>>out & I don't have to deal with kittens, which can be so much work.
>>
>>
>>
>>Beth
>>
>> 
>>Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Lorrie 
>>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>>Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 4:54 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing & Fostering (Beth)
>> 
>>
>>Beth I didn't know you fostered FelV cats.  Have you had any who eventually
>>threw off the virus?  All of the kittens I've taken in as
 FelV positive, who
>>must have acquired the virus from their mother, have died within two years. 
>>However, from one litter o

Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing & Fostering (Beth)

[Lee Evans]

I had three FeLv+ cats throw it off. They all three were adults. Bunny was the 
youngest. She tested positive when she was spayed at a shelter. They would 
usually euthanize them but for some reason she slipped through the cracks, I am 
pleased to say and the rescuer brought her to me knowing that I would keep her 
or find a place for her if she did not turn. But she turned. Right now she's 
annoying two other cats in my computer room. She sleeps with me at night, and 
is a joyous cat. I would like to find her another home though because I just 
have too many and can't give her enough attention. My oldest cat, Moses threw 
it off i about 7 years ago. Percy had both FeLv and FIV. He threw off the FeLv 
and is now in my FIV room. I have a 5 months old FeLv+ kitten in foster care 
trying to turn negative. I hope she does. Taco and Smooch, two other FeLv+ cats 
who were brought to me as strays and tested positive passed away in two years. 
But at least they had those
 two years extra and weren't deprived of their short lives. I have chosen the 
wrong calling though. I'm much too emotional to be able to cope with this. 
Unfortunately I have no choice. I live from one emotional disaster to another 
these days because my feline family is approaching the older years.


 
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> From: Beth 
>To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
>Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 6:07 PM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing & Fostering (Beth)
> 
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>No, I have never seen one throw the virus off.
>I think fostering the FeLV cats is probably easier than fostering healthy 
>cats, actually. I have done that plenty of times, too. At least I don't have 
>to deal with constantly getting attached to cats only to have them adopted out 
>& I don't have to deal with kittens, which can be so much work.
>
>
>
>Beth
>
> 
>Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
> 
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> From: Lorrie 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 4:54 PM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing & Fostering (Beth)
> 
>
>Beth I didn't know you fostered FelV cats.  Have you had any who eventually
>threw off the virus?  All of the kittens I've taken in as
 FelV positive, who
>must have acquired the virus from their mother, have died within two years. 
>However, from one litter of FelV kittens I have an male who is now 4 years
>old, and he was the only one in his litter who did NOT test positive when I
>took them in, and I later tested him and he was still negative.
>
>I really admire you for fostering FelV cats.  It can be heartbreaking
>when they become sick and die. I've had three PTS since October. They
>would have been a year old in May.  One from this same litter is still 
>fine, or seems to be. I will retest her soon.
>
>Lorrie
>
>On 04-23, Beth wrote:
>>    Chris -
>>    I would search the archives on "mixing". A lot of us mix our positive &
>>    non-positive, vaccinated cats. I have done it for over 10 years with no
>>    transmission of the virus to my healthy cats. I even have had FIV
 cats
>>    mix with the FeLV cats with no problems. And, yes, I do retest my
>>    negatives.
>>    It becomes a little difficult when you foster healthy cats for a
>>    shelter. I only foster FeLV cats these days. The shelter would not
>>    allow me to foster both positives & negative, even if they were
>>    separated.
>>    Beth
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Re: [Felvtalk] Ember

[Lee Evans]

There is relatively new treatment for tumors and cancers. It's called 
Neoplasene. There is a Yahoo group called Neoplasene for Cancer. See if you can 
go there and get some information. I'm currently dealing with a former colony 
cat (tame) who has bone cancer on her right hind thigh. Although the ointment 
didn't do much for it - big ugly mess of a tumor broke through the skin, she is 
eating like a trooper and acting happy. I'm going to try the internal Neo to 
see if it will reduce the tumor. There is a wonderful holistic vet in San 
Antonio. He has saved several of my cats with "magic" formulas. Look up 
Neoplasene on Google and you'll find a lot of info.


 
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> From: Lance 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 7:37 AM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ember
> 
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>Thank you for thinking of Ember, Cheri and El. 
>
>
>She seems to be doing okay today. I got her to eat last night by feeding Fancy 
>Feast Classic Chicken Feast. In another post, Christiane had suggested this as 
>being like chocolate cake to cats, and Ember agrees. Unfortunately, the 
>ingredients aren't the best, but at this point, just keeping her eating and 
>well-fed seems like the main thing to do.
>
>
>She also likes Prescription Diet t/d, which she thinks is a treat. Before she 
>tested positive, that's the only food she ate. I didn't know any better, but 
>she was fine with it. 
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>On Apr 22, 2013, at 8:52 PM, Cheri Le  wrote:
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>Thinking and praying 4 ember!!!
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>>💜CHERI
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>>On Apr 22, 2013, at 9:42 PM, designercats cats  
>>wrote:
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>> 
>>>Lance, you and Ember are in my thoughts and prayers. 
>>>El
>>> 
>>>
 From: lini...@fastmail.fm
 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 20:35:42 -0500
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ember
 
 Thank you, Beth, Sharyl, and Bonnie for thinking about my girl. She has a 
 vet visit tomorrow. We’ll see how the lung mass has changed, and we’ll get 
 a new cbc. Ember isn’t eating as well as I would like, but she sure loves 
 her treats (Prescription Diet t/d – it could be worse). I've also caught 
 her sitting in a slightly unusual position, and that makes me really hope 
 that she's not in any pain or even mild discomfort.
 
 
 On Apr 22, 2013, at 5:52 PM, Bonnie Hogue  wrote:
 
 > You've got it, Lance!  You and Ember are in loving/healing thoughts and
 > prayers.
 > Bonnie
 > 
 > -Original Message-
 > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
 > Lance
 > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 5:59 AM
 > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 > Subject: [Felvtalk] Ember
 > 
 > Please pray for or send good vibes to my sweet FeLV+ girl Ember. She has 
 > a
 > mass in her lungs and possibly eye cancer. She has been breathing faster
 > than usual, though it doesn't sound labored. She was very restless last
 > night, too, which makes me concerned that she's in pain or at least
 > uncomfortable. She ate fairly well this morning, and she's itching to 
 > leave
 > our room and go to another one. Anyway, please keep us in your thoughts.
 > 
 > Lance
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