To Jen-FeLV vaccination of recovered cat

[wendy]

Hi Jen,

I don't think that the FeLV vaccine will have any
effect due to her history.  The vaccination will not
help prevent the virus from kicking in if she's
already carrying it.  However, that being said, if she
is an indoor cat only, I wouldn't waste my time or
money vaccinating her.  If she doesn't come into
contact with other cats, she can't contract it.  Many
of us here do not vaccinate, especially considering
some cancers are associated with vaccinating.  And
since she's had the antibodies, I'm not even sure she
can contract it (again?).  Unfortunately, there isn't
enough research on FeLV yet to know all the answers.  

:)
Wendy


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To Jen-P.S.

[wendy]

P.S. Jen-make sure you have at least one good pic of
Allie; take some tonight if you are able.  And also,
if you are able to, be there with her when she
crosses.  It's horrible but at the same time, will be
an honor and a blessing to both of you, if that makes
any sense.  Take care Jen and give little Allie hugs
from all of us.

Wendy

--- TenHouseCats <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> thank you for being able to listen to her, and hear
> her. they DO tell
> us. helping them cross the bridge when it's their
> time is definitely
> one of the most difficult things we ever do, yet
> it's also often the
> last gift we can offer them in exchange for all the
> love and joy they
> have given us.
> 
> will hold you both in my heart.
> 
> MC
> 
> On 5/15/06, Jennifer Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > I honestly never understood what you all meant by
> you will know when it is
> > time, but it's true, our cats do have a way of
> telling us (this is the first
> > sick cat I have ever cared for, so this is a
> totally new experience for me
> > all around...).  Allie has rapidly been declining
> over the past few days
> > despite treatments.  Her temp just keeps climbing
> (it's now up to 107.1 this
> > am) and she has completely stopped eating and
> drinking.  She growls every
> > time I try to give her any kind of medication or
> treatment.  I truly believe
> > that this is her way of telling me she does not
> want anymore.  Allie has
> > never liked vets, needles, or even oral meds, so I
> know that taking daily
> > antibotics and frequent injections and sq fluids
> has probably been very
> > rough on her.  I also feel that at this point she
> is suffering and I do not
> > want that for her.  I think she's trying to tell
> me it's her time- she's
> > tired and she just can't fight anymore. 
> Unfortunately I think we found the
> > FELV and FIV relatively end stage and with both
> viruses, her body is just
> > very run down.  Right now she has no spunk- just
> lies around in one spot all
> > day hiding - barely even has the energy to purr. 
> That is not my Allie cat!
> > It is killing me to see her suffer and I am now
> content that I understand
> > what she is trying to tell me.  So, unfortunately,
> I have to make the
> > hardest decision that any pet mommy and cat lover
> has to make.  I am going
> > to spend tonight with my baby girl and if God does
> not take her on His own,
> > I am going to help her cross the bridge tomorrow. 
> I have never had to make
> > such a difficult decision in my life and I bless
> you and feel the pain of
> > each and every one of you that have had to make
> this same decision before.
> > However, I know it is the right thing to do.  I
> have told her that it's OK
> > to go, I just want her to be happy and not suffer
> anymore, and ever since I
> > told her that she has been purring more and not
> hiding as much- it's as if
> > she's at peace now.  That's helping me know that I
> am making the right
> > decision.  Please remember my little one tonight
> and tomorrow afternoon at
> > 4pm when I say good-bye.  She has lived a long (10
> yrs) good and happy life.
> >  She deserves only to be happy.  Thank you for
> everything.  I don't know
> > what I would have done without all of you.
> >
> > Jen and Allie
> >
> >
> > 
> > New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular
> phones from your PC and save
> > big.
> >
> >
> 
> 
> -- 
> MaryChristine
> 
> AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats
> MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> 
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Jen: Smookie, feline herpes, and a corneal ulcer

[wendy]

Thanks Jen-I will try that when I get home from work
tonight.  Hopefully it will work a lot better!

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Wendy, if she's able to kick you in the boobs, you
> aren't restraining her right. The
> BEST way to restrain a cat (on your own, with no
> tools or gimmicks) is to put the cat
> on the floor, preferably a SMOOTH floor, so their
> claws can't get any traction
> (bathrooms work well, even IN the bathtub if you
> have full house carpeting). Straddle
> the cat, facing the same direction, then go down on
> your knees OVER the cat. The cat
> will be between your legs, it's back near your
> crotch, it's tail will be going out
> behind you, near your feet, it's head will be in
> front of your knees. Put your feet
> close together, to block the "rear escape" route,
> then hold kitty's head or neck
> scruff, and SIT down on her. Don't literally put all
> your weight on her, but you want
> to form a wedge, a TIGHT one, on her with your
> crotch, legs, feet, and hands. She
> should be trapped now. If she moves, sit down more
> and squeeze your legs together
> tighter, keep your feet crossed if you have to, to
> form a tight wedge (a few
> threatening curse words usually work well in this
> step, LOL). Since you are
> approaching with the medicine from the front, most
> cats will react by trying to back
> out of this hold, so you have to keep your legs,
> feet, and butt all tight together.
> You should be able to grab her by the neck scruff
> (the skin) and pull her back and
> push her down if she tries to run forward out of the
> hold (front claws will be
> clawing uselessly in the air to the front, just
> avoid them, aim the drops/meds
> BETWEEN swats, timing is everything). Use one hand
> to wrangle kitty, use the other
> for giving the meds. Make sure you have the
> bottles/tubes, etc OPEN before you begin,
> because you'll only have one free hand to use for
> the medicine application. This
> method will work for all but the most feral and
> vicious cats.
> 
> Jenn
> http://ucat.us
> http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
> Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah (UCAT) Cat Rescue:
> http://ucat.us/adopt.html
> PLEASE DONATE TO THE TANGLE FUND:
> Tangle is a cat in Greece that was severely injured
> when someone wrapped wire around
> his neck to strangle him,
> Little Cheetah Cat Rescue is raising funds to bring
> Tangle to Vermont to find him a
> good home!
> http://ucat.us/tangle-fund.html
> DONATE: We could really use a power saw (for
> construction), a digital camera (for
> pictures), and more towels!
> 
> 
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Re: Hey Jen

[felv]

Thanks Wendy, I'm much better today. Zack, on the other hand, is still very 
sad. :-(

Poor Zackers. I'll have new pics sometime this weekend, so you guys can see how
pretty he is. :-)

Jenn
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http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah (UCAT) Cat Rescue:
http://ucat.us/adopt.html
PLEASE DONATE TO THE TANGLE FUND:
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around
his neck to strangle him,
Little Cheetah Cat Rescue is raising funds to bring Tangle to Vermont to find 
him a
good home!
http://ucat.us/tangle-fund.html



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Hey Jen

[wendy]

Hey Jen,

Man, I know that awful feeling of going to a job(s)
that you hate!!!  It is a horrible feeling.  I'm right
there with you at this point in my life.  And then
getting into trouble on top of that...  I read a book
last month called "Who Moved My Cheese" and it helped
me, because my attitude really stunk.  I'm not saying
yours does.  But when I'm not happy with my life, my
attitude is not as positive, and this book helped me
with that.  Also, there's another book called "48 days
to the Work You Love" which you might look into.  It
doesn't sound like you have much time to read, but
maybe you could read to Zack.  He might like to hear
about mice.  lol.  I don't know how shelter
employees/volunteers do what they do either.  It IS
heartbreaking, and I can't understand how people
surrender their pets either.  But I know this.  In
time, all will work itself out.  Just be patient and
gentle with yourself, and don't lose hope.  If you
need to vent, I'm always here.

:)
Wendy

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Re: Jen: OT: New journey-laying tile!!!

[Marylyn]

Re the odor in the concrete:  If you can find OdoBan (Sam's Club is my only 
source but I am sure it is available elsewhere) use it (maybe extra 
strength)  Really soak the concrete with it.  Much better than bleach and 
without the awful smell.  I've used it on odors that were worse that cat 
spray (yes there are such things) including a dog who got into it with a 
skunk.  It works and has a flowered smell.  It is some combination of 
natural odor eaters.  It is great.





If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
 St. 
Francis
- Original Message - 
From: "wendy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: Jen: OT: New journey-laying tile!!!



You were right to think that Jen.  Thank the good Lord
that I mentioned I would be sealing the concrete
floors before laying concrete to the Home Depot guy
today.  He nearly had a conniption fit.  He said that
the porosity of the concrete is how the tile glue
adheres to the concrete.  Take away the porosity, and
the tiles won't stick!  So I am s glad I got that
tidbit of info.  So now I have to find another way to
get that nasty smell out of the porous concrete.  I
guess I will try everything for the next week or so,
including bleach, enzymes, vinegar, whatever... lol.
Actually, I don't think bleach works.  Another
thing-we're not looking forward to moving our 55 gal.
aquarium.  That will be a job!  1 gallon of water
equals about ten pounds, so needless to say, we'll be
emptying some water out.  lol.

:)
Wendy

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Re: Jen: OT: New journey-laying tile!!!

[Marylyn]

I haven't made it thru all the emails re tile but two thoughts that may have 
come up:


Chose the color of the grout wisely.  White and really dark colors show 
every pit of anything, including cat hair.  And the white stains horribly.


Get extra tile to keep in case you break some in the future dropping stuff. 
Like cans of cat food.  It will chip.  It takes just the right blow 
but


Make sure and seal and reseal the stuff.








If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
 St. 
Francis
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: Jen: OT: New journey-laying tile!!!



Hee, hee!  I know what you mean about doing it yourself!  With internet
access, I have just enough "do-it-yourself" knowledge to make me
dangerous... ;)  I, too, embarked on a toilet fixer-uper...basically,
the toilet was rocking so I figured, "How hard can it be to fix?"  BTW,
you can replace the "fix" in that last sentence with just about anything
else I've tried:  lay tile?  install laminate flooring?  replace ceiling
fixtures?  install electric wall sconces?  put in new sinks?  :)

Anyway, a simple "fixer-uper" with the toilet turned into having to
replace the entire gasket which turned into having to buy a hammer drill
and cement to afix the gasket because we have cement sub-flooring!  It
took a whole d*mn weekend, but I fixed the rock, darn it!  :)

As for the sub-flooring for the tile, we didn't have to do anything to
ours as it was already pretty level...I know you can buy some kind of
cement to spread over low spots...and you can also buy sheets of some
kind of sub-flooring if the floor is really bad, but I'm not sure how to
install those!  The video, I think, covers most of that!  Our kitchen
and bathrooms had that vinyl sheet flooring (very, very old judging by
the pattern).  :)  The video actually recommended just tiling over any
old vinyl flooring as the glue underneath could have asbestos.  So we
just pulled up the shiny part and tiled right over the old glue!



"But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be
unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You
become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine de
Saint-Exupéry

"If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know
each other.  If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what
you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --Chief Dan
George

- Original Message -
From: wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Monday, April 3, 2006 11:01 am
Subject: Jen: OT:  New journey-laying tile!!!
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org


P.S.  I think I will go pick up that video today so
that my husband can watch it.  Thank you for offering
to send it-that is very sweet!  You should have seen
my husband when I tried to convince him we could fix a
leaky toilet when we first married two years ago.  He
had never done any handy work before, and what should
have been a simple job involved having to go buy the
tool to open the water hole to turn off the water to
the whole house outside and then fixing several leaks.
lol.  He just wanted to call the plumber, but I'm
cheap and if I can do it myself, I will.  We ended up
fixing it, but it really was a pain in the butt and
not the first handy job I would have picked to warm my
husband up to fixing things around the house.  LOL.

:)
Wendy

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Re: Jen: OT: New journey-laying tile!!!

[catatonya]

they make that stuff called 'kilz' that is supposed to seal in any smell. but i don't know if you could put vinyl on top of it since it's a sealer.     here they laid down the concrete backerboard stuff.  they had pulled up carpet and it was plain plywood underneath.     twendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  You were right to think that Jen. Thank the good Lordthat I mentioned I would be sealing the concretefloors before laying concrete to the Home Depot guytoday. He nearly had a conniption fit. He said thatthe porosity of the concrete is how the tile glueadheres to the concrete. Take away the porosity, andthe tiles won't stick! So I am s glad I got thattidbit of info. So now I have to find another way toget that nasty smell out of the
 porous concrete. Iguess I will try everything for the next week or so,including bleach, enzymes, vinegar, whatever... lol. Actually, I don't think bleach works. Anotherthing-we're not looking forward to moving our 55 gal.aquarium. That will be a job! 1 gallon of waterequals about ten pounds, so needless to say, we'll beemptying some water out. lol. :)Wendy__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com 

Re: Jen: OT: New journey-laying tile!!!

[wendy]

You were right to think that Jen.  Thank the good Lord
that I mentioned I would be sealing the concrete
floors before laying concrete to the Home Depot guy
today.  He nearly had a conniption fit.  He said that
the porosity of the concrete is how the tile glue
adheres to the concrete.  Take away the porosity, and
the tiles won't stick!  So I am s glad I got that
tidbit of info.  So now I have to find another way to
get that nasty smell out of the porous concrete.  I
guess I will try everything for the next week or so,
including bleach, enzymes, vinegar, whatever... lol. 
Actually, I don't think bleach works.  Another
thing-we're not looking forward to moving our 55 gal.
aquarium.  That will be a job!  1 gallon of water
equals about ten pounds, so needless to say, we'll be
emptying some water out.  lol.  

:)
Wendy

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Re: Jen: OT: New journey-laying tile!!!

[jenmeyer]

With the vinyl, we just pulled the top layer off and left the bottom
layer with the glue attached to the floor.  I was afraid the mortar
wouldn't stick to the glossy surface of the vinyl.  It should separate
pretty easily and it's alot faster than trying to scrape all the glue
off the floor!

That's a good tip about the straws!  I wish I had known that when I
replaced both of our toilets!  ;)



"But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be
unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You
become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine de
Saint-Exupéry

"If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know
each other.  If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what
you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --Chief Dan
George

- Original Message -
From: wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Monday, April 3, 2006 11:44 am
Subject: Re: Jen: OT:  New journey-laying tile!!!
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

> I'm confused...did you pull the vinyl/laminate up and
> then lay tile, or did you just lay tile over the
> vinyl?  I know what you mean about the toilet thing. 
> The guy at Home Depot just gave me a pointer.  He said
> that when replacing wax seals on toilets, which is
> really easy to mess up, put two straws on top of those
> two bolts on either side to guide the toilet down, so
> you don't mess the wax seal up by trying to find them.
> That way, your toilet won't rock like ours does now
> after we fixed it!  lol.  Neat tip...
> 
> --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > Hee, hee!  I know what you mean about doing it
> > yourself!  With internet
> > access, I have just enough "do-it-yourself"
> > knowledge to make me
> > dangerous... ;)  I, too, embarked on a toilet
> > fixer-uper...basically,
> > the toilet was rocking so I figured, "How hard can
> > it be to fix?"  BTW,
> > you can replace the "fix" in that last sentence with
> > just about anything
> > else I've tried:  lay tile?  install laminate
> > flooring?  replace ceiling
> > fixtures?  install electric wall sconces?  put in
> > new sinks?  :)
> > 
> > Anyway, a simple "fixer-uper" with the toilet turned
> > into having to
> > replace the entire gasket which turned into having
> > to buy a hammer drill
> > and cement to afix the gasket because we have cement
> > sub-flooring!  It
> > took a whole d*mn weekend, but I fixed the rock,
> > darn it!  :)
> > 
> > As for the sub-flooring for the tile, we didn't have
> > to do anything to
> > ours as it was already pretty level...I know you can
> > buy some kind of
> > cement to spread over low spots...and you can also
> > buy sheets of some
> > kind of sub-flooring if the floor is really bad, but
> > I'm not sure how to
> > install those!  The video, I think, covers most of
> > that!  Our kitchen
> > and bathrooms had that vinyl sheet flooring (very,
> > very old judging by
> > the pattern).  :)  The video actually recommended
> > just tiling over any
> > old vinyl flooring as the glue underneath could have
> > asbestos.  So we
> > just pulled up the shiny part and tiled right over
> > the old glue!
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > "But if you tame me, then we shall need each other.
> > To me, you will be
> > unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique
> > in all the world; You
> > become responsible, forever, for what you have
> > tamed..." --Antoine de
> > Saint-Exupéry
> > 
> > "If you talk to the animals they will talk with you
> > and you will know
> > each other.  If you do not talk to them you will not
> > know them, and what
> > you do not know you will fear. What one fears one
> > destroys." --Chief Dan
> > George
> > 
> > - Original Message -
> > From: wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date: Monday, April 3, 2006 11:01 am
> > Subject: Jen: OT:  New journey-laying tile!!!
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > 
> > > P.S.  I think I will go pick up that video today
> > so
> > > that my husband can watch it.  Thank you for
> > offering
> > > to send it-that is very sweet!  You should have
> > seen
> > > my husband when I tried to convince him we could
> > fix a
> > > leaky toilet when we first married two years ago. 
> > He
> > > 

Re: Jen: OT: New journey-laying tile!!!

[wendy]

I'm confused...did you pull the vinyl/laminate up and
then lay tile, or did you just lay tile over the
vinyl?  I know what you mean about the toilet thing. 
The guy at Home Depot just gave me a pointer.  He said
that when replacing wax seals on toilets, which is
really easy to mess up, put two straws on top of those
two bolts on either side to guide the toilet down, so
you don't mess the wax seal up by trying to find them.
 That way, your toilet won't rock like ours does now
after we fixed it!  lol.  Neat tip...

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hee, hee!  I know what you mean about doing it
> yourself!  With internet
> access, I have just enough "do-it-yourself"
> knowledge to make me
> dangerous... ;)  I, too, embarked on a toilet
> fixer-uper...basically,
> the toilet was rocking so I figured, "How hard can
> it be to fix?"  BTW,
> you can replace the "fix" in that last sentence with
> just about anything
> else I've tried:  lay tile?  install laminate
> flooring?  replace ceiling
> fixtures?  install electric wall sconces?  put in
> new sinks?  :)
> 
> Anyway, a simple "fixer-uper" with the toilet turned
> into having to
> replace the entire gasket which turned into having
> to buy a hammer drill
> and cement to afix the gasket because we have cement
> sub-flooring!  It
> took a whole d*mn weekend, but I fixed the rock,
> darn it!  :)
> 
> As for the sub-flooring for the tile, we didn't have
> to do anything to
> ours as it was already pretty level...I know you can
> buy some kind of
> cement to spread over low spots...and you can also
> buy sheets of some
> kind of sub-flooring if the floor is really bad, but
> I'm not sure how to
> install those!  The video, I think, covers most of
> that!  Our kitchen
> and bathrooms had that vinyl sheet flooring (very,
> very old judging by
> the pattern).  :)  The video actually recommended
> just tiling over any
> old vinyl flooring as the glue underneath could have
> asbestos.  So we
> just pulled up the shiny part and tiled right over
> the old glue!
> 
> 
> 
> "But if you tame me, then we shall need each other.
> To me, you will be
> unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique
> in all the world; You
> become responsible, forever, for what you have
> tamed..." --Antoine de
> Saint-Exupéry
> 
> "If you talk to the animals they will talk with you
> and you will know
> each other.  If you do not talk to them you will not
> know them, and what
> you do not know you will fear. What one fears one
> destroys." --Chief Dan
> George
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Monday, April 3, 2006 11:01 am
> Subject: Jen: OT:  New journey-laying tile!!!
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> 
> > P.S.  I think I will go pick up that video today
> so
> > that my husband can watch it.  Thank you for
> offering
> > to send it-that is very sweet!  You should have
> seen
> > my husband when I tried to convince him we could
> fix a
> > leaky toilet when we first married two years ago. 
> He
> > had never done any handy work before, and what
> should
> > have been a simple job involved having to go buy
> the
> > tool to open the water hole to turn off the water
> to
> > the whole house outside and then fixing several
> leaks.
> > lol.  He just wanted to call the plumber, but I'm
> > cheap and if I can do it myself, I will.  We ended
> up
> > fixing it, but it really was a pain in the butt
> and
> > not the first handy job I would have picked to
> warm my
> > husband up to fixing things around the house. 
> LOL.
> > 
> > :)
> > Wendy
> > 
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Re: Jen: OT: New journey-laying tile!!!

[jenmeyer]

Oh!  One more tip!  When you start laying tile, I'd start in a bathroom
or hallway...you know, some place small and out of the way!  It's not
easy to screw up tile...you've got all kinds of time to fix it until the
mortar sets, but best to get the feel for it somewhere where it won't be
noticable!  :)



"But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be
unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You
become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine de
Saint-Exupéry

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each other.  If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what
you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --Chief Dan
George

- Original Message -
From: wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Monday, April 3, 2006 11:01 am
Subject: Jen: OT:  New journey-laying tile!!!
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

> P.S.  I think I will go pick up that video today so
> that my husband can watch it.  Thank you for offering
> to send it-that is very sweet!  You should have seen
> my husband when I tried to convince him we could fix a
> leaky toilet when we first married two years ago.  He
> had never done any handy work before, and what should
> have been a simple job involved having to go buy the
> tool to open the water hole to turn off the water to
> the whole house outside and then fixing several leaks.
> lol.  He just wanted to call the plumber, but I'm
> cheap and if I can do it myself, I will.  We ended up
> fixing it, but it really was a pain in the butt and
> not the first handy job I would have picked to warm my
> husband up to fixing things around the house.  LOL.
> 
> :)
> Wendy
> 
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Re: Jen: OT: New journey-laying tile!!!

[jenmeyer]

Hee, hee!  I know what you mean about doing it yourself!  With internet
access, I have just enough "do-it-yourself" knowledge to make me
dangerous... ;)  I, too, embarked on a toilet fixer-uper...basically,
the toilet was rocking so I figured, "How hard can it be to fix?"  BTW,
you can replace the "fix" in that last sentence with just about anything
else I've tried:  lay tile?  install laminate flooring?  replace ceiling
fixtures?  install electric wall sconces?  put in new sinks?  :)

Anyway, a simple "fixer-uper" with the toilet turned into having to
replace the entire gasket which turned into having to buy a hammer drill
and cement to afix the gasket because we have cement sub-flooring!  It
took a whole d*mn weekend, but I fixed the rock, darn it!  :)

As for the sub-flooring for the tile, we didn't have to do anything to
ours as it was already pretty level...I know you can buy some kind of
cement to spread over low spots...and you can also buy sheets of some
kind of sub-flooring if the floor is really bad, but I'm not sure how to
install those!  The video, I think, covers most of that!  Our kitchen
and bathrooms had that vinyl sheet flooring (very, very old judging by
the pattern).  :)  The video actually recommended just tiling over any
old vinyl flooring as the glue underneath could have asbestos.  So we
just pulled up the shiny part and tiled right over the old glue!



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unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You
become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine de
Saint-Exupéry

"If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know
each other.  If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what
you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --Chief Dan
George

- Original Message -
From: wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Monday, April 3, 2006 11:01 am
Subject: Jen: OT:  New journey-laying tile!!!
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

> P.S.  I think I will go pick up that video today so
> that my husband can watch it.  Thank you for offering
> to send it-that is very sweet!  You should have seen
> my husband when I tried to convince him we could fix a
> leaky toilet when we first married two years ago.  He
> had never done any handy work before, and what should
> have been a simple job involved having to go buy the
> tool to open the water hole to turn off the water to
> the whole house outside and then fixing several leaks.
> lol.  He just wanted to call the plumber, but I'm
> cheap and if I can do it myself, I will.  We ended up
> fixing it, but it really was a pain in the butt and
> not the first handy job I would have picked to warm my
> husband up to fixing things around the house.  LOL.
> 
> :)
> Wendy
> 
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Jen: OT: New journey-laying tile!!!

[wendy]

P.S.  I think I will go pick up that video today so
that my husband can watch it.  Thank you for offering
to send it-that is very sweet!  You should have seen
my husband when I tried to convince him we could fix a
leaky toilet when we first married two years ago.  He
had never done any handy work before, and what should
have been a simple job involved having to go buy the
tool to open the water hole to turn off the water to
the whole house outside and then fixing several leaks.
 lol.  He just wanted to call the plumber, but I'm
cheap and if I can do it myself, I will.  We ended up
fixing it, but it really was a pain in the butt and
not the first handy job I would have picked to warm my
husband up to fixing things around the house.  LOL.

:)
Wendy

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Jen: OT: New journey-laying tile!!!

[wendy]

Hey Jen,

Thanks for the tips!!!  If I can talk my husband into
doing it (and I can be very persuasive...lol), then we
will definitely be buying those knee pads.  Thanks for
the mortar tip too.  I can't believe I am starting to
look forward to this-I hated the idea two weeks ago. 
Did you guys have to prep your floor (ie. even it out,
etc.) before you laid the tile?

:)
Wendy

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hey Wendy!
> 
> Tiling isn't all that difficult, just a little
> time-consuming!  :) 
> We've done our kitchen and 2 bathrooms
> ourselves...first thing that
> comes to mind:  invest in those knee-pad thingys
> they sell at Home Depot
> or Lowes!  It's alot of hard-work on the knees!  And
> I think I just
> picked up a tiling video from Home Depot for, maybe,
> $10...it gives you
> a good visual of what to do.  Just be sure to mix up
> your mortar every
> once in awhile to keep it soft and easy to spread!
> 
> Actually, if I can dig up that video tape, I'll send
> it to ya, if you like!
> 
> Jen
> 
> 
> "But if you tame me, then we shall need each other.
> To me, you will be
> unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique
> in all the world; You
> become responsible, forever, for what you have
> tamed..." --Antoine de
> Saint-Exupéry
> 
> "If you talk to the animals they will talk with you
> and you will know
> each other.  If you do not talk to them you will not
> know them, and what
> you do not know you will fear. What one fears one
> destroys." --Chief Dan
> George
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Monday, April 3, 2006 10:02 am
> Subject: OT:  New journey-laying tile!!!
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> 
> > Hey guys,
> > 
> > My husband and I have decided to go with the tile
> in
> > replacing our carpet in the living room, hallway
> and
> > one bedroom, plus we figure we might as well
> replace
> > the kitchen and master bath linoleum while we're
> at it
> > as it needs replacing too. We're going to move on
> this
> > in the next two weeks, since I'm having foot
> surgery
> > on the 25th of April and would like it completed
> by
> > then.  There is some beautiful tile out there. 
> What
> > stinks is that the labor costs twice as much as
> the
> > tile.  So if you have a 10x10 room, and the tile
> is 2$
> > per square foot (on average), it's going to cost
> you
> > $200 for just the tile.  But the labor is another
> > $3.25 (HD) or $3.50 (Lowe's) per square foot, so
> what
> > we could do for $200 will end up costing us
> $525-550. 
> > That's a lot!  And when you're talking about 800
> > square feet, it gets expensive.  Plus, sealing the
> > tile is extra (we will for sure do that
> ourselves),
> > and tearing up the carpet is extra (we'll do that
> > too), and floor prep is extra (probably do that
> > too!!!).  LOL.  So we might possibly lay the tile
> > ourselves with help from a few friends who have
> > already done it.  My husband is scared to do it-he
> > doesn't want to mess our house up.  I am more the
> > do-it-yourself type, so I'm all for it.  Anyone
> out
> > there ever lay tile?  Any thoughts or advice?
> > 
> > :)
> > Wendy
> > 
> > 
> > 
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Re: TESTING--Jen--water garden!

[jenmeyer]

Heehee!  The little pond actually started out as just a fountain with a
couple of fake flowers...I was getting tired of cleaning it out every
week because of the algae growth (and couldn't use an algae killer
because a couple of the neighborhood cats like to use the fountain as
their own personal "watering hole"... ;)  )!

Anyhoo, I was at Home Depot and discovered they had live water lilies
for sale!  Well, that jump-started my curiosity as to what else I could
put in the little pond!  I found a great website:

http://familyfun.go.com/parenting/learn/activities/feature/famf010302_summer/famf010302_fishpond.html

It explained how to build your own little inexpensive, self-sustained
water garden!  I'm surprised by how obsessed I've become with it!  ;) 
It really is a treat...fortunately, our front window sits close to the
ground, so I put the pond just in front of it for all to see!  So
whenever I'm working on my computer (which is right next to the window)
and start getting stressed, I can just look over at the little goldfish
and space out for a moment!  :)



"But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be
unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You
become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine de
Saint-Exupéry

"If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know
each other.  If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what
you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --Chief Dan
George

- Original Message -
From: wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 10:12 am
Subject: Re: TESTING--Jen
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

> Hey Jen,
> 
> Very cool about adopting Lucy.  I bet Oscar was
> probably as happy about it as Lucy was!  I think
> petfinder.com is awesome.  I am checking it every day
> for the little kitten that I want to adopt.  I guess
> if it's meant to be, it will be.  Your water garden
> sounds really neat.  Where did you get the idea for
> it?
> 
> :)
> Wendy
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Re: TESTING--Jen

[wendy]

Hey Jen,

Very cool about adopting Lucy.  I bet Oscar was
probably as happy about it as Lucy was!  I think
petfinder.com is awesome.  I am checking it every day
for the little kitten that I want to adopt.  I guess
if it's meant to be, it will be.  Your water garden
sounds really neat.  Where did you get the idea for
it?

:)
Wendy

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[wendy]

Jen,

How are you doing?

:)
Wendy



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Re: Jen-- How is Ewok?

[Lernermichelle]

Jen,
 
    You might want to stop the pred and give dex/depo shots 
instead. The depo is instead of pred, and is stronger and longer lasting.  
The fact that Ewok went two weeks or so without needing another depo shot says 
to me that he is not near the end yet. I would strongly suggest, if he is still 
not well tomorrow, taking him to the local vet and getting another dex/depo shot 
(or if all you got before was a dex shot, to ask for a combo dex/depo 
shot).  Two weeks is not too soon for that when they have cancer.  If 
you do these shots instead of pred, he will eventually need them every few days 
in order to keep feeling good, and that means it is getting closer to the end. 
But two weeks is not that short a time to need another one, in terms of 
lymphoma. So I would do it.
 
Here's hoping Ewok feels better soon,
 
Michelle

Re: Jen and Michelle

[jenmeyer]

Oh, dear!  How did you hurt your back, Nina?  These days I'm injuring
myself just getting out of bed in the morning...Take care of yourself
and thanks for the email!

Jen


"But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be
unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You
become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine de
Saint-Exupéry

"If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know
each other.  If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what
you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --Chief Dan
George

- Original Message -
From: Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thursday, January 5, 2006 7:58 pm
Subject: Jen and Michelle

> Hello Ladies,
> I'm so pleased to hear how well Ewok, Lucy and Patches are doing!  
> I've 
> pulled my darn back so I'm not able to keep up with emails, just 
> wanted 
> you to know how thrilled I am to hear your guys are doing well.  
> Michelle, besides your concerns about the poor turkey, I wouldn't 
> worry 
> too much about feeding raw.  I'm sure you are going to be 
> purchasing the 
> best quality, freshest meats you can find and will be careful of 
> how 
> they are stored and served.  There shouldn't be any worries about 
> contamination under those circumstances.
> Nina
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > Jen,
> >  
> >   SO glad to hear Ewok is still doing well!!  Simon responded 
> very 
> > well to the CCNU also. After that he got Adriamycin, which he did 
> not 
> > respond well to, and I wished I had asked the oncologist to give 
> him 
> > more CCNU instead. I think the oncologist was afraid that without 
> > switching the drugs each time he would become resistant.  But I 
> think 
> > they take longer to become resistant to CCNU.
> >  
> >As for the steroids, is he still getting pred pills?  The Depo 
> shot 
> > is instead of the pred pills, or should be I think. The 
> oncologist 
> > should know when the right time is to give another Depo shot if 
> Ewok 
> > keeps looking good and does not seem to need it badly.
> >  
> > Patches is feeling better from antibiotics and prednisone and 
> is 
> > scheduled to have her two canines and possibly (but hopefully 
> not) 
> > other teeth pulled next Wednesday morning. So please say a prayer 
> or 
> > thought or whatever strikes you best for her!  Lucy is tapering 
> off 
> > the pred herself and seems to be doing ok-- fairly solid stool, 
> though 
> > still not entirely normal.
> >  
> > As for feeding raw meat, I am actually about to start feeding 
> > mine, or at least Lucy and maybe Patches, a raw diet. It is 
> > recommended for cats with chronic loose stools, on the feline IBD 
> list 
> > serve. I ordered a supplement mix to put in with ground raw meat 
> and 
> > organs. Being a vegan this is all very difficult for me (I had a 
> > nightmare last night that I had to have Lucy killed to be fed to 
> an 
> > animal who needed to eat her to be healthy, which I think is my 
> guild 
> > and discomfort at buying a dead turkey to help Lucy).  But I 
> think raw 
> > is ok, and maybe better, for them. The liver shake uses raw liver 
> in 
> > it, and most people on this list feed that to cats when they are 
> > sick.  All that said, I am totally nervous about starting the raw 
> diet 
> > because I have read in some places that it is not good for 
> > immune-compromised cats. But I figure neither is inflamed 
> intestines 
> > or struvite crystals, which raw is supposed to fix in many cats.
> >  
> > Thanks for the update, and may he keep going strong!
> >  
> > Michelle
> >  
> > In a message dated 1/5/2006 1:17:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >
> > Hi Michelle!
> >
> > So far, so good...the CCNU seems to be working!  His appetite 
> is up
> > (although he's still not eating as much as I'd like to see him
> > eat...he's put on a little weight, but he's still probably only
> > around 9
> > lbs--he weighed around 14 before this all started) and his 
> energy> level
> > or "old-self-self" is back...he even felt good enough to 
> wrestle a
> > little with his buddy (Hermes--who has been waiting patiently 
> for Ewok
> > to feel up to playing) yesterday for the first time in about 
> a month!
> > I'm still watching hi

Re: Jen-- How is Ewok?

[jenmeyer]

Thanks, Michelle!

Yep, Ewok is on daily pred...I actually took him to the oncologist this
morning (his next appointment wasn't until next week) because he wasn't
feeling well and (I believe) vomited last night... :(  The tumor in his
belly is crazy aggressive...the oncologist gave him a round of elspar as
he responded well to that one before X-mas...but now that I think about
it (as he wants to see Ewok in 2 weeks), the only reason Ewok was able
to go two weeks between visits was because I gave him a dex shot when he
started feeling bad about a week after the elspar shot...good thing I
didn't cancel his appointment for next week!  ;)

So I asked the oncologist what I should expect as it would seem (to me,
anyway) that the abdominal tumor will eventually win out as Ewok can
barely make it a week between treatments.  He surprised me by saying he
isn't any more pessimistic than he was a few months ago (although I
would have felt better if he had said "less optimistic"... ;)  )...The
oncologist still has a few tricks up his sleeve, so as long as Ewok is
game, I'll continue to tote his skinny little butt back and forth
between appointments.  Ewok is just so cute, he's so used to the car by
now...he sits shot-gun and watches the tree-tops go by...man, I'm going
to miss this little boy!!  :(

Warm thoughts to Lucy and Patches!!  Good luck with the raw!  Several of
my guys really enjoy it and I do think it's better for them...I always
try to repay the favor that the chicken or turkey did for my guys by
rescuing any critters (except for palmetto bugs...can't bring myself to
rescue them just yet) that the cats may corner (mostly lizards and
snakes)...Maggie got her paws on a lizard last week and I had to remind
her that the turkey she just ate gave its life so that that little
lizard could lead a long, fruitful life!  :)

Take care,

Jen


"But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be
unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You
become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine de
Saint-Exupéry

"If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know
each other.  If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what
you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --Chief Dan
George

- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thursday, January 5, 2006 12:25 pm
Subject: Re: Jen-- How is Ewok?

> 
> Jen,
> 
>  SO glad to hear Ewok is still doing well!!  Simon responded  very 
> well to 
> the CCNU also. After that he got Adriamycin, which he did not  
> respond well to, 
> and I wished I had asked the oncologist to give him more CCNU  
> instead. I 
> think the oncologist was afraid that without switching the drugs 
> each  time he 
> would become resistant.  But I think they take longer to become  
> resistant to 
> CCNU.
> 
>   As for the steroids, is he still getting pred pills?  The  Depo 
> shot is 
> instead of the pred pills, or should be I think. The oncologist  
> should know 
> when the right time is to give another Depo shot if Ewok keeps  
> looking good and 
> does not seem to need it badly.
> 
>Patches is feeling better from antibiotics and  prednisone and 
> is 
> scheduled to have her two canines and possibly (but hopefully  not) 
> other teeth 
> pulled next Wednesday morning. So please say a prayer or  thought 
> or whatever 
> strikes you best for her!  Lucy is tapering off the  pred herself 
> and seems to be 
> doing ok-- fairly solid stool, though still not  entirely normal.
> 
>As for feeding raw meat, I am actually about to  start feeding 
> mine, or 
> at least Lucy and maybe Patches, a raw diet. It is  recommended for 
> cats with 
> chronic loose stools, on the feline IBD list serve. I  ordered a 
> supplement mix 
> to put in with ground raw meat and organs. Being a  vegan this is 
> all very 
> difficult for me (I had a nightmare last night that I had  to have 
> Lucy killed 
> to be fed to an animal who needed to eat her to be healthy,  which 
> I think is 
> my guild and discomfort at buying a dead turkey to help  Lucy).  
> But I think 
> raw is ok, and maybe better, for them. The liver shake  uses raw 
> liver in it, 
> and most people on this list feed that to cats when they  are sick. 
> All that 
> said, I am totally nervous about starting the raw diet  because I 
> have read in 
> some places that it is not good for immune-compromised  cats. But I 
> figure 
> neither is inflamed intestines or struvite crystals, which  raw is 
> supposed to fix 
> in many cats.
> 
> Thanks for the update, and may he keep going strong!
> 
> Michelle
> 
> In a 

Jen and Michelle

[Nina]

Hello Ladies,
I'm so pleased to hear how well Ewok, Lucy and Patches are doing!  I've
pulled my darn back so I'm not able to keep up with emails, just wanted
you to know how thrilled I am to hear your guys are doing well. 
Michelle, besides your concerns about the poor turkey, I wouldn't worry
too much about feeding raw.  I'm sure you are going to be purchasing
the best quality, freshest meats you can find and will be careful of
how they are stored and served.  There shouldn't be any worries about
contamination under those circumstances.
Nina

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  
  
  Jen,
   
    SO glad to hear Ewok is still doing well!!  Simon responded
very well to the CCNU also. After that he got Adriamycin, which he did
not respond well to, and I wished I had asked the oncologist to give
him more CCNU instead. I think the oncologist was afraid that without
switching the drugs each time he would become resistant.  But I think
they take longer to become resistant to CCNU.
   
     As for the steroids, is he still getting pred pills?  The
Depo shot is instead of the pred pills, or should be I think. The
oncologist should know when the right time is to give another Depo shot
if Ewok keeps looking good and does not seem to need it badly.
   
  Patches is feeling better from antibiotics and prednisone
and is scheduled to have her two canines and possibly (but hopefully
not) other teeth pulled next Wednesday morning. So please say a prayer
or thought or whatever strikes you best for her!  Lucy is tapering off
the pred herself and seems to be doing ok-- fairly solid stool, though
still not entirely normal.
   
  As for feeding raw meat, I am actually about to start
feeding mine, or at least Lucy and maybe Patches, a raw diet. It is
recommended for cats with chronic loose stools, on the feline IBD list
serve. I ordered a supplement mix to put in with ground raw meat and
organs. Being a vegan this is all very difficult for me (I had a
nightmare last night that I had to have Lucy killed to be fed to an
animal who needed to eat her to be healthy, which I think is my guild
and discomfort at buying a dead turkey to help Lucy).  But I think raw
is ok, and maybe better, for them. The liver shake uses raw liver in
it, and most people on this list feed that to cats when they are sick. 
All that said, I am totally nervous about starting the raw diet because
I have read in some places that it is not good for immune-compromised
cats. But I figure neither is inflamed intestines or struvite crystals,
which raw is supposed to fix in many cats.
   
  Thanks for the update, and may he keep going strong!
   
  Michelle
   
  In a message dated 1/5/2006 1:17:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  Hi Michelle!

So far, so good...the CCNU seems to be working!  His appetite is up
(although he's still not eating as much as I'd like to see him
eat...he's put on a little weight, but he's still probably only around 9
lbs--he weighed around 14 before this all started) and his energy level
or "old-self-self" is back...he even felt good enough to wrestle a
little with his buddy (Hermes--who has been waiting patiently for Ewok
to feel up to playing) yesterday for the first time in about a month! 
I'm still watching him like a hawk as the oncologist won't be able to
give him another treatment until next Friday.  Ewok didn't eat much this
morning (although he eagerly scarfed down some raw turkey--I know raw is
probably a no-no, but I'm just thrilled to see him eat anything on his
own).  He's out and about, though...not hiding in the closet like he
usually does when he's not feeling well.

I haven't used dex or the combo shot since Christmas...but I know my
regular vet is just around the corner in case I need anything...I'm
hoping the steroid shots will be an option if Ewok starts feeling bad
again before his oncologist's appointment!  Fingers crossed that he
remains happy and active for awhile!  :)

How are Patches and Lucy?  Sorry, I'm still trying to catch up!  :)

Jen
  
   
  

Re: Jen-- How is Ewok?

[Lernermichelle]

Jen,
 
  SO glad to hear Ewok is still doing well!!  Simon responded 
very well to the CCNU also. After that he got Adriamycin, which he did not 
respond well to, and I wished I had asked the oncologist to give him more CCNU 
instead. I think the oncologist was afraid that without switching the drugs each 
time he would become resistant.  But I think they take longer to become 
resistant to CCNU.
 
   As for the steroids, is he still getting pred pills?  The 
Depo shot is instead of the pred pills, or should be I think. The oncologist 
should know when the right time is to give another Depo shot if Ewok keeps 
looking good and does not seem to need it badly.
 
Patches is feeling better from antibiotics and 
prednisone and is scheduled to have her two canines and possibly (but hopefully 
not) other teeth pulled next Wednesday morning. So please say a prayer or 
thought or whatever strikes you best for her!  Lucy is tapering off the 
pred herself and seems to be doing ok-- fairly solid stool, though still not 
entirely normal.
 
As for feeding raw meat, I am actually about to 
start feeding mine, or at least Lucy and maybe Patches, a raw diet. It is 
recommended for cats with chronic loose stools, on the feline IBD list serve. I 
ordered a supplement mix to put in with ground raw meat and organs. Being a 
vegan this is all very difficult for me (I had a nightmare last night that I had 
to have Lucy killed to be fed to an animal who needed to eat her to be healthy, 
which I think is my guild and discomfort at buying a dead turkey to help 
Lucy).  But I think raw is ok, and maybe better, for them. The liver shake 
uses raw liver in it, and most people on this list feed that to cats when they 
are sick.  All that said, I am totally nervous about starting the raw diet 
because I have read in some places that it is not good for immune-compromised 
cats. But I figure neither is inflamed intestines or struvite crystals, which 
raw is supposed to fix in many cats.
 
Thanks for the update, and may he keep going strong!
 
Michelle
 
In a message dated 1/5/2006 1:17:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi 
  Michelle!So far, so good...the CCNU seems to be working!  His 
  appetite is up(although he's still not eating as much as I'd like to see 
  himeat...he's put on a little weight, but he's still probably only around 
  9lbs--he weighed around 14 before this all started) and his energy 
  levelor "old-self-self" is back...he even felt good enough to wrestle 
  alittle with his buddy (Hermes--who has been waiting patiently for 
  Ewokto feel up to playing) yesterday for the first time in about a month! 
  I'm still watching him like a hawk as the oncologist won't be able 
  togive him another treatment until next Friday.  Ewok didn't eat much 
  thismorning (although he eagerly scarfed down some raw turkey--I know raw 
  isprobably a no-no, but I'm just thrilled to see him eat anything on 
  hisown).  He's out and about, though...not hiding in the closet like 
  heusually does when he's not feeling well.I haven't used dex or 
  the combo shot since Christmas...but I know myregular vet is just around 
  the corner in case I need anything...I'mhoping the steroid shots will be 
  an option if Ewok starts feeling badagain before his oncologist's 
  appointment!  Fingers crossed that heremains happy and active for 
  awhile!  :)How are Patches and Lucy?  Sorry, I'm still 
  trying to catch up!  :)Jen

 

Re: Jen-- How is Ewok?

[jenmeyer]

Hi Michelle!

So far, so good...the CCNU seems to be working!  His appetite is up
(although he's still not eating as much as I'd like to see him
eat...he's put on a little weight, but he's still probably only around 9
lbs--he weighed around 14 before this all started) and his energy level
or "old-self-self" is back...he even felt good enough to wrestle a
little with his buddy (Hermes--who has been waiting patiently for Ewok
to feel up to playing) yesterday for the first time in about a month! 
I'm still watching him like a hawk as the oncologist won't be able to
give him another treatment until next Friday.  Ewok didn't eat much this
morning (although he eagerly scarfed down some raw turkey--I know raw is
probably a no-no, but I'm just thrilled to see him eat anything on his
own).  He's out and about, though...not hiding in the closet like he
usually does when he's not feeling well.

I haven't used dex or the combo shot since Christmas...but I know my
regular vet is just around the corner in case I need anything...I'm
hoping the steroid shots will be an option if Ewok starts feeling bad
again before his oncologist's appointment!  Fingers crossed that he
remains happy and active for awhile!  :)

How are Patches and Lucy?  Sorry, I'm still trying to catch up!  :)

Jen


"But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be
unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You
become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine de
Saint-Exupéry

"If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know
each other.  If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what
you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --Chief Dan
George

----- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thursday, January 5, 2006 11:13 am
Subject: Jen-- How is Ewok?

> Hi, Jen. I have been reading your posts to others and wondering how 
> Ewok is  
> doing. Has he reacted, good or bad, to the CCNU? Has he needed 
> additional dex  
> shots?  I don't remember when you did the combo shot, but he could 
> possibly  
> need another depo shot as well at some point I am hoping that 
> no news 
> means  good news!
> Michelle
>

Jen-- How is Ewok?

[Lernermichelle]

Hi, Jen. I have been reading your posts to others and wondering how Ewok is 
doing. Has he reacted, good or bad, to the CCNU? Has he needed additional dex 
shots?  I don't remember when you did the combo shot, but he could possibly 
need another depo shot as well at some point I am hoping that no news means 
good news!
Michelle

Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?

[wendy]

Jen,

I am so happy that Ewok is doing so well from the
shots!  I wish you and Ewok a very Merry Christmas!

:) (big grin while picturing Ewok running around
exploring)
Wendy

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hi Michelle!
> 
> Thanks for the email!  The last few days have been a
> whirlwind...I'm 
> not sure when I updated last, but Ewok got a shot of
> Elspar last 
> Friday and actually ate a few bites of food on his
> own later on that 
> evening!  The next day, I took him into our regular
> vet's with your 
> email about the steriods in hand...she went ahead
> and gave him the 
> shots in addition to more fluids...by the time we
> left about noon, she 
> could tell he was already feeling a little
> better...and by that night 
> he was eating a little on his own!  The weekend went
> well, and by 
> Sunday he was playing with the feather wand like his
> old self!  So, 
> Monday rolls around and we have a decision to make
> because we were 
> supposed to leave a few days earlier to head home to
> Chicago for X-
> mas!  I called the oncologist and updated him on
> Ewok's condition...he 
> suggested we take him with us (we were driving) as
> he preferred that 
> he be with us as opposed to our vet's office if he
> were to take a turn 
> for the worse.  I said, "Great!" and then called our
> regular vet to 
> update her...we both agreed that taking another shot
> of dex with us 
> wouldn't be a bad idea if something were to happen.
> 
> Anyway, we made it to Chicago late last night with
> two dogs and Ewok 
> in tow!  He was such a good boy throughout the 24
> hour drive!  He's 
> still doing great...eating on his own and acting
> like his old 
> self!  :)  I'm just enjoying whatever time I've got
> left with him...I 
> really love having him here with me...and,
> fortunately, he's an 
> adventurous, social guy...so he's very curious about
> his new 
> surroundings!
> 
> Keep your fingers crossed that his remission lasts
> just a little bit 
> longer!  Michelle--thank you so much again for all
> of your advice!
> 
> Jen
> 
> 
> "But if you tame me, then we shall need each other.
> To me, you will be 
> unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique
> in all the world; 
> You become responsible, forever, for what you have
> tamed..." --Antoine 
> de Saint-Exupéry
> 
> "If you talk to the animals they will talk with you
> and you will know 
> each other.  If you do not talk to them you will not
> know them, and 
> what you do not know you will fear. What one fears
> one destroys." --
> Chief Dan George
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 7:52 am
> Subject: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?
> 
> > I have been thinking about him. Symptoms any
> better?   Did  the 
> > vet try the 
> > steroid shots? Any talk of using CCNU? Did the
> last chemo shot  
> > (the one that 
> > starts with E, can't remember the name) do
> anything?
> > 
> > I am hoping for the best, but worried that things
> are bad since 
> > you have  not 
> > written. Please let us know how he is when you get
> a chance.  We 
> > are  all 
> > pulling for him, and for you.
> > 
> > Love,
> > Michelle
> >
> 
> 


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Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?

[Lernermichelle]

One thing I always question myself about is whether it was worth letting 
Simon go through the very rough days he went through at times during those two 
months in order to have the good days he had during that period.  While he 
was alive it definitely seemed worth it, but since then I have questioned it at 
times-- I was talking to my mom today about Simon and she asked me if it was 
worth putting him through the 5 day hospitalization and the transfusions and the 
chemo for the time he had, and I was not sure.  But reading about Ewok, I 
have no doubt that even though he has felt sick and been at the vet recently, 
the fun he is having now is worth it, and Simon had similar fun in his last 
weeks. So reading about Ewok has helped me some in that way.
 
Chemo, when it works, can help for longer than the steroid shots. But the 
steroid shots make them feel so good so quickly and do not make them feel bad at 
all, that they are a gentler way to fight the cancer and give them quality of 
life, in a way.  When I wonder if I put Simon through too much, it is the 
hospitalization and transfusions and chemo I wonder about, never the 
steroids.  But of course without the former he would not have survived long 
enough to get the steroids and have all that fun in his last weeks. So I don't 
know. It is all so painful after they are gone, whatever we do.  Love Ewok 
as much as you possibly can now, while he is running around being silly.
 
Michelle
 
In a message dated 12/21/2005 4:01:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
And I 
  didn't realize how difficult dex can be to obtain on good >faith!  
  That info makes me all the more grateful for my vet!  I'll >have 
  to be sure to thank her, again, for all she's done for me and my 
  >boy...speaking of the devil, :) Ewok just emerged from his jaunt 
  >around the house...he wants to know everything about everything and it 
  >kinda brings a tear to my eye that we've got this time together thanks 
  >to you and Simon!  I will definitely bring up CCNU (sp?) the next 
  time >I talk to my oncologist...but, for now, I'm just taking it one 
  day at >a time!  :)

 

Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?

[Nina]

Oh Jen,
I'm so thrilled that Michelle and Simon were able to help you and Ewok!  
It's true that everything we do ripples out, we usually don't get to see 
it as clearly as you and Michelle have.  Such a nice Christmas present, 
to be thinking of you and little Ewok enjoying your vacation together!  
Thanks for letting us know how you guys are doing.

N

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

LOL!  He does have the personality of an orange tabby, doesn't 
he!  :)  I've got two orange (girl!) cats who are just little 
firecrackers!  Ewok is a black-and-white guy, very handsome, if I do 
say so myself... ;)


I had a kind of "epiphany" the other day when I had taken your info to 
my regular vet...she thanked me for the info and told me that she's 
learned alot through me (I, of course, had to defer to this list and 
the wonderful, collective knowledge here!)...Anyhoo, it occurred to me 
later that perhaps future cats (and dogs) may be helped because of 
Ewok's situation and, in a way, he'll go on (even in memory) as a 
result much like Simon has very much lived on through his experience 
and the way it's helped others like Ewok!  I don't know if that makes 
any sense...but I just sensed a real "beauty" in the way our cats' 
lives are interconnected even though they're miles apart!


And I didn't realize how difficult dex can be to obtain on good 
faith!  That info makes me all the more grateful for my vet!  I'll 
have to be sure to thank her, again, for all she's done for me and my 
boy...speaking of the devil, :) Ewok just emerged from his jaunt 
around the house...he wants to know everything about everything and it 
kinda brings a tear to my eye that we've got this time together thanks 
to you and Simon!  I will definitely bring up CCNU (sp?) the next time 
I talk to my oncologist...but, for now, I'm just taking it one day at 
a time!  :)

Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?

[jenmeyer]

LOL!  He does have the personality of an orange tabby, doesn't 
he!  :)  I've got two orange (girl!) cats who are just little 
firecrackers!  Ewok is a black-and-white guy, very handsome, if I do 
say so myself... ;)

I had a kind of "epiphany" the other day when I had taken your info to 
my regular vet...she thanked me for the info and told me that she's 
learned alot through me (I, of course, had to defer to this list and 
the wonderful, collective knowledge here!)...Anyhoo, it occurred to me 
later that perhaps future cats (and dogs) may be helped because of 
Ewok's situation and, in a way, he'll go on (even in memory) as a 
result much like Simon has very much lived on through his experience 
and the way it's helped others like Ewok!  I don't know if that makes 
any sense...but I just sensed a real "beauty" in the way our cats' 
lives are interconnected even though they're miles apart!

And I didn't realize how difficult dex can be to obtain on good 
faith!  That info makes me all the more grateful for my vet!  I'll 
have to be sure to thank her, again, for all she's done for me and my 
boy...speaking of the devil, :) Ewok just emerged from his jaunt 
around the house...he wants to know everything about everything and it 
kinda brings a tear to my eye that we've got this time together thanks 
to you and Simon!  I will definitely bring up CCNU (sp?) the next time 
I talk to my oncologist...but, for now, I'm just taking it one day at 
a time!  :)



"But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be 
unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; 
You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine 
de Saint-Exupéry

"If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know 
each other.  If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and 
what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --
Chief Dan George

----- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 12:51 pm
Subject: Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?

> Oh, and he reminds me of Simon so much! Simon was adventurous and 
> curious  
> too, and would have found a vacation interesting and fun.  Not 
> many cats  are 
> like that!  Ewok does not happen to be an orange tabby boy, does 
> he? I  somehow 
> remember not.  Anyway, I have to say, following Ewok and Buddha's  
> progress 
> makes me relive what happened with Simon and my others a little-- 
> I  feel like I 
> am on a smaller version of the emotional rollercoaster just 
> thinking  about 
> what you are going through.  It is amazing how long these things 
> stay  with us.
> Michelle
>

Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?

[Lernermichelle]

Oh, and he reminds me of Simon so much! Simon was adventurous and curious 
too, and would have found a vacation interesting and fun.  Not many cats 
are like that!  Ewok does not happen to be an orange tabby boy, does he? I 
somehow remember not.  Anyway, I have to say, following Ewok and Buddha's 
progress makes me relive what happened with Simon and my others a little-- I 
feel like I am on a smaller version of the emotional rollercoaster just thinking 
about what you are going through.  It is amazing how long these things stay 
with us.
Michelle

Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?

[Lernermichelle]

Oh, Jen, I am so overjoyed to hear he is feeling better and that you have 
him with you there and he is having such a good time!! I was really worried that 
your not having emailed meant he was doing worse.  It is so, so great that 
you have a vet who was willing to give you a dex shot to take with you.  
Most vets will not do that. My own vets would not give them to me, and I only 
was able to get them from a vet who is a friend of a friend, and that is the 
only reason I was able to give Simon the extra dex shots that helped pull him 
through that time-- the oncologist wanted me to drive him 45 minutes each way 
while he was feeling completely terrible to get any additional shots, and to 
wait two days to do it because it was a weekend, which I thought was ludicrous 
since they were sub-q and I have given many shots. The oncologist ended up 
being glad Simon got the extra dex shots and was not at all annoyed that the 
other vet gave then to me.   Anyway, I am so glad to hear you have 
such a great vet!!
 
So how long are you in Chicago for?  I agree that it is best to take 
things day by day while he is feeling good.  I would recommend, though, 
when you get back, that you discuss with the oncologist whether he thinks the 
chemo drugs that he has been using are still working at all or not, and if not 
ask about using CCNU instead for a round or two or more.  If you google 
CCNU you should be able to find studies and information showing that about 50% 
of cats who become resistant to the other chemo drugs can go back into remission 
for a while with CCNU, sometimes for months at a time. At least, that is what I 
remember-- it was almost a year ago that I did the research.
 
Anyway, thank you so much for updating us! I feel a little holiday cheer 
now for the first time in days!  I hope you and Ewok continue to have a 
good holiday!
 
Love,
Michelle
 
In a message dated 12/21/2005 1:37:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi 
  Michelle!Thanks for the email!  The last few days have been a 
  whirlwind...I'm not sure when I updated last, but Ewok got a shot of 
  Elspar last Friday and actually ate a few bites of food on his own later 
  on that evening!  The next day, I took him into our regular vet's 
  with your email about the steriods in hand...she went ahead and gave him 
  the shots in addition to more fluids...by the time we left about noon, she 
  could tell he was already feeling a little better...and by that night 
  he was eating a little on his own!  The weekend went well, and by 
  Sunday he was playing with the feather wand like his old self!  So, 
  Monday rolls around and we have a decision to make because we were 
  supposed to leave a few days earlier to head home to Chicago for 
  X-mas!  I called the oncologist and updated him on Ewok's 
  condition...he suggested we take him with us (we were driving) as he 
  preferred that he be with us as opposed to our vet's office if he were to 
  take a turn for the worse.  I said, "Great!" and then called our 
  regular vet to update her...we both agreed that taking another shot of dex 
  with us wouldn't be a bad idea if something were to happen.Anyway, 
  we made it to Chicago late last night with two dogs and Ewok in tow!  
  He was such a good boy throughout the 24 hour drive!  He's still 
  doing great...eating on his own and acting like his old self!  
  :)  I'm just enjoying whatever time I've got left with him...I really 
  love having him here with me...and, fortunately, he's an adventurous, 
  social guy...so he's very curious about his new surroundings!Keep 
  your fingers crossed that his remission lasts just a little bit 
  longer!  Michelle--thank you so much again for all of your 
  advice!Jen

 

Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?

[jenmeyer]

Hi Michelle!

Thanks for the email!  The last few days have been a whirlwind...I'm 
not sure when I updated last, but Ewok got a shot of Elspar last 
Friday and actually ate a few bites of food on his own later on that 
evening!  The next day, I took him into our regular vet's with your 
email about the steriods in hand...she went ahead and gave him the 
shots in addition to more fluids...by the time we left about noon, she 
could tell he was already feeling a little better...and by that night 
he was eating a little on his own!  The weekend went well, and by 
Sunday he was playing with the feather wand like his old self!  So, 
Monday rolls around and we have a decision to make because we were 
supposed to leave a few days earlier to head home to Chicago for X-
mas!  I called the oncologist and updated him on Ewok's condition...he 
suggested we take him with us (we were driving) as he preferred that 
he be with us as opposed to our vet's office if he were to take a turn 
for the worse.  I said, "Great!" and then called our regular vet to 
update her...we both agreed that taking another shot of dex with us 
wouldn't be a bad idea if something were to happen.

Anyway, we made it to Chicago late last night with two dogs and Ewok 
in tow!  He was such a good boy throughout the 24 hour drive!  He's 
still doing great...eating on his own and acting like his old 
self!  :)  I'm just enjoying whatever time I've got left with him...I 
really love having him here with me...and, fortunately, he's an 
adventurous, social guy...so he's very curious about his new 
surroundings!

Keep your fingers crossed that his remission lasts just a little bit 
longer!  Michelle--thank you so much again for all of your advice!

Jen


"But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be 
unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; 
You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine 
de Saint-Exupéry

"If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know 
each other.  If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and 
what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --
Chief Dan George

- Original Message -----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 7:52 am
Subject: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?

> I have been thinking about him. Symptoms any better?   Did  the 
> vet try the 
> steroid shots? Any talk of using CCNU? Did the last chemo shot  
> (the one that 
> starts with E, can't remember the name) do anything?
> 
> I am hoping for the best, but worried that things are bad since 
> you have  not 
> written. Please let us know how he is when you get a chance.  We 
> are  all 
> pulling for him, and for you.
> 
> Love,
> Michelle
>

Jen-- how is Ewok doing?

[Lernermichelle]

I have been thinking about him. Symptoms any better?   Did 
the vet try the steroid shots? Any talk of using CCNU? Did the last chemo shot 
(the one that starts with E, can't remember the name) do anything?
 
I am hoping for the best, but worried that things are bad since you have 
not written. Please let us know how he is when you get a chance.  We are 
all pulling for him, and for you.
 
Love,
Michelle

Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?--Update

[Lernermichelle]

Jen, I am certainly hoping and crossing my fingers.  If he does not 
improve from the elspar, you might want to ask about CCNU also (the 
oncologist).
Michelle
 
In a message dated 12/17/2005 10:09:56 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi 
  Michelle (and All)!Well, Ewok is at the vet's right now...Michelle, 
  our vet is going to trythe steroid protocol that you suggested.  
  There was a small glimmer ofhope last night...Ewok at a couple of 
  tablespoons of baby food on hisown (and kept it down)!  
  Unfortunately, he didn't want anything thismorning...so it's hard, for me, 
  to tell what's going on...but my vetseems to think the elspar 
  helped.Fingers crossed that my boy will start feeling better 
  soon...

 

Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?--Update

[wendy]

Jen,

I'm keeping you and Ewok in my prayers!

:)
Wendy

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hi Michelle (and All)!
> 
> Well, Ewok is at the vet's right now...Michelle, our
> vet is going to try
> the steroid protocol that you suggested.  There was
> a small glimmer of
> hope last night...Ewok at a couple of tablespoons of
> baby food on his
> own (and kept it down)!  Unfortunately, he didn't
> want anything this
> morning...so it's hard, for me, to tell what's going
> on...but my vet
> seems to think the elspar helped.
> 
> Fingers crossed that my boy will start feeling
> better soon...
> 
> 
> "But if you tame me, then we shall need each other.
> To me, you will be
> unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique
> in all the world; You
> become responsible, forever, for what you have
> tamed..." --Antoine de
> Saint-Exupéry
> 
> "If you talk to the animals they will talk with you
> and you will know
> each other.  If you do not talk to them you will not
> know them, and what
> you do not know you will fear. What one fears one
> destroys." --Chief Dan
> George
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Friday, December 16, 2005 5:26 pm
> Subject: Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?--Another tumor
> 
> > 
> > You can do it either way. I would do it in one
> shot just to stick 
> > him less,  
> > but other than that i do not think it matters.
> > Michelle
> > 
> > In a message dated 12/16/2005 6:25:17 P.M. Eastern
> Standard Time,  
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > 
> > Are the  two
> > administered separately (separate injections)?  Or
> are they  
> > combined and
> > then injected in one shot?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >
> 
> 


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Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?--Update

[jenmeyer]

Hi Michelle (and All)!

Well, Ewok is at the vet's right now...Michelle, our vet is going to try
the steroid protocol that you suggested.  There was a small glimmer of
hope last night...Ewok at a couple of tablespoons of baby food on his
own (and kept it down)!  Unfortunately, he didn't want anything this
morning...so it's hard, for me, to tell what's going on...but my vet
seems to think the elspar helped.

Fingers crossed that my boy will start feeling better soon...


"But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be
unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You
become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine de
Saint-Exupéry

"If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know
each other.  If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what
you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --Chief Dan
George

- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Friday, December 16, 2005 5:26 pm
Subject: Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?--Another tumor

> 
> You can do it either way. I would do it in one shot just to stick 
> him less,  
> but other than that i do not think it matters.
> Michelle
> 
> In a message dated 12/16/2005 6:25:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> Are the  two
> administered separately (separate injections)?  Or are they  
> combined and
> then injected in one shot?
> 
> 
> 
>

Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?--Patti

[jenmeyer]

Thanks, Patti!  I hope so too!


"But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be
unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You
become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine de
Saint-Exupéry

"If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know
each other.  If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what
you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --Chief Dan
George

- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Friday, December 16, 2005 11:23 pm
Subject: Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?--Another tumor

> Jen~
> My thoughts and prayers are with you and Ewok.
> I was so saddened to hear the news regarding the tumor.
> I pray little Ewok will get some relief with new treatments  
> pursued...Big hugs to both of you!
> Love,
> Patti
> 
>

Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?--Another tumor

[PEC2851]

Jen~
My thoughts and prayers are with you and Ewok.
I was so saddened to hear the news regarding the tumor.
I pray little Ewok will get some relief with new treatments 
pursued...
Big hugs to both of you!
Love,
Patti

Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?

[catatonya]

Hey Jen,     Thoughts and prayers coming your way for Ewok.  I hope he turns the corner.     tonya[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Hi Michelle!Our vet is *fairly* confident it's a reaction to the chemo (I think it started with the adriamycin...then the "nail-in-the-coffin," so-to-speak, was the vincristine). Fortunately, Ewok's oncologist is in town today, so my vet will be getting ahold of him to get any suggestions. Ewok is still hanging in there, but we're a little concerned that his temp this morning was just over 102!Update: The vet just called...she's concerned that his white blood cell count is rising...I'm going to go ahead and take him to the oncologist's office at 10:30. I'm just sick to my stomach, right now...Ewok has been able to keep
 the FeLV in check through all this so far, I feel like I'm tempting fate with the additional stress!Please keep my boy in your thoughts and prayers!Jen"But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry"If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --Chief Dan George- Original Message -From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Friday, December 16, 2005 8:46 amSubject: Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?> > I am glad you are holding off on the chemo for now, but so sorry > he is > having this
 reaction. Does the vet think it is from the > Adriamycin? > Michelle> > In a message dated 12/16/2005 5:33:51 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:> > Hi Michelle!> > Yes, Ewok was supposed to get another round of chemo this weekend > (Cytoxen), but when I asked my vet about it, her eyes got really > big > and she shook her head vigorously, "NO." :) And he still on the > Reglan (it's part of his daily i.v. drip)...but as for keeping his > > food down, we took a step backwards tonight...I'm hoping it was > just > the result of another drug my vet prescribed (sucralfate?), so I'm > up > at this ungodly hour after the poor guy, again, with a syringe! > So > far, so good...about 10 ccs of watered down A/D (that seems to be > the > one I've had the most luck with) over the course of about a 1/2 >
 hour > and no vomit! Gosh, it amazes me sometimes the things I'm > profoundly > thankful for... ;)> > Anyhoo, we'll be back at the vet's again in about 4 hours...he's > still > in good spirits for the little nurishment he's gotten over the > past > week...At this point, I'm starting to hope for a miracle... :(> > Take care and positive vibes out to poor Lucy!!> > Jen> > > >

Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?--Nina

[jenmeyer]

Hi Nina!

Thanks so much for your email...it truly makes a huge difference knowing
there are others out there who know exactly what you're going through! 
Right now, I have half a mind (which half? I don't know...it's hard to
tell the sane half from the not-so-sane half right now... ;)  ) to march
right over to the mall, elbow my way through a line of 5 year olds, plop
myself down on Santa's lap and tell him that all I want for Christmas is
for my baby to get well...then, I'd tell the photographer to get several
good shots of the "crazy cat lady" for my Christmas cards... :)  Can you
tell I need a little sleep and/or a stiff drink?  LOL!

Anyway, thanks for the hug...I needed that right about now!  :)

Jen


"But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be
unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You
become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine de
Saint-Exupéry

"If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know
each other.  If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what
you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --Chief Dan
George

- Original Message -
From: Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Friday, December 16, 2005 4:41 pm
Subject: Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?--Another tumor

> Aw Jen,
> I just caught up on the posts between you and Michelle about Ewok.  
> I 
> feel like there's a tumor in my belly :( .  I'm so sorry.  My 
> thoughts, 
> concerns and prayers are with you guys.  I wish there were 
> something 
> else I could say or do.  I hate this damn disease.  I'm sending you 
> all 
> my love to comfort you.  My arms are wrapped around you both,
> Nina
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> >Damn!  I should have checked my email before I left...thanks for 
> that,>Michelle...I'm going to keep that one in mind!  Ewok and I 
> just got back
> >from the oncologist's and it's as we all pretty much expected: a 
> mass in
> >his intestines (a lymph node I believe, but I'm so tired I can't 
> think>straight right now...).  So he was actually given a round of 
> elspar to
> >see if the tumor responds...I guess we'll know in the next 24-48 
> hours.> Please continue to send out those healing vibes!
> >
> 
>

Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?--Another tumor

[Lernermichelle]

Jen,
   I would ask the vet to teach you how to do subcutaneous fluids 
at home, if you don't already know how to do it, so you don't need to keep 
taking him in. If he is in really bad shape it is true that IV fluids get into 
his system faster, but longer-term it seems like sub-q fluids should be enough, 
to me (though I am no doctor)...
Michelle
 
In a message dated 12/16/2005 6:25:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
...I'm 
  going to be taking Ewok into his regular vettomorrow morning for fluids 
  and to pull the catheter that's been in hisarm since 
Monday

 

Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?--Another tumor

[Lernermichelle]

You can do it either way. I would do it in one shot just to stick him less, 
but other than that i do not think it matters.
Michelle
 
In a message dated 12/16/2005 6:25:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Are the 
  twoadministered separately (separate injections)?  Or are they 
  combined andthen injected in one shot?

 

Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?--Another tumor

[jenmeyer]

Hi Michelle!

Thanks so much...I'm going to be taking Ewok into his regular vet
tomorrow morning for fluids and to pull the catheter that's been in his
arm since Monday...I spoke with our vet just a few minutes ago and
mentioned the combo shot...she hadn't heard of the two being used in
combo, but she's willing to try anything for Ewok, so if the chemo
doesn't do any good, we'll give the steroids a shot.  Are the two
administered separately (separate injections)?  Or are they combined and
then injected in one shot?



"But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be
unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You
become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine de
Saint-Exupéry

"If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know
each other.  If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what
you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --Chief Dan
George

- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Friday, December 16, 2005 3:22 pm
Subject: Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?--Another tumor

> oh, and they can be administered subcutaneously or intramuscularly. 
>  The 
> oncologist gave them to Simon intramuscularly, and I gave the 
> follow-up dex  
> shots subcutaneously. IM is faster than sub-q in terms of 
> absorbtion rate.
> Michelle
>

Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?--Another tumor

[Nina]

Aw Jen,
I just caught up on the posts between you and Michelle about Ewok.  I 
feel like there's a tumor in my belly :( .  I'm so sorry.  My thoughts, 
concerns and prayers are with you guys.  I wish there were something 
else I could say or do.  I hate this damn disease.  I'm sending you all 
my love to comfort you.  My arms are wrapped around you both,

Nina

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Damn!  I should have checked my email before I left...thanks for that,
Michelle...I'm going to keep that one in mind!  Ewok and I just got back
from the oncologist's and it's as we all pretty much expected: a mass in
his intestines (a lymph node I believe, but I'm so tired I can't think
straight right now...).  So he was actually given a round of elspar to
see if the tumor responds...I guess we'll know in the next 24-48 hours.
Please continue to send out those healing vibes!

Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?--Another tumor

[Lernermichelle]

oh, and they can be administered subcutaneously or intramuscularly.  
The oncologist gave them to Simon intramuscularly, and I gave the follow-up dex 
shots subcutaneously. IM is faster than sub-q in terms of absorbtion rate.
Michelle

Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?--Another tumor

[Lernermichelle]

1/2 cc Dexamethasone and 1/2 cc depomedrol.  Though the norm, when 
giving Depomedrol, is to give a whole cc at one time, and I have done that as 
well because some vets insist that is the right amount if you give depo at all. 
But the vet who taught me about doing the combo shots uses 1/2 cc of each.
 
If it works, you wait to give the next one until the symptoms come back. It 
can be anywhere from weeks to days to somewhere in between.  If the shot 
does nothing for him, he probably is in bad shape.
 
When Simon was really bad, the oncologist gave him a dex shot and a depo 
shot. I do not remember if he did 1/2 cc of each or 1 cc of each.  Simon 
did not get better that day, and I had 2 dex shots at home (from the vet who had 
taught me about them with my other two), and with the oncologist's knowledge I 
gave him a dex shot (1 cc, think, but it might have been 1/2 cc) the following 
day and, I think, the day after.  When he did not respond, I thought it was 
all over.  But two days later he sat up and asked for food and water and by 
the next day was running around. What I think happened was that, for Simon, the 
cancer was in his liver and bone marrow and so he was sick due to very high 
liver bilirubin levels and very low hematocrit. What I think happened is that 
the dex and depo shots did work right away in terms of shrinking the lymphoma in 
the liver and bone marrow, but it took him a few days to process the high 
bilirubin levels out of his system and make enough red blood cells to bring his 
hematocrit back up.  So I think he may have had less cancer right after the 
shots, but I did not know that because it took him a few days to actually feel 
better, if that makes sense.  With Josephine and Buddy, who had cancer in 
different places, the dex and depo shots always worked within 3 or 4 hours until 
their last days when the shots did not work at all.
 
So I guess I would ask for a combined dex/depo shot of either 1/2 cc of 
each or 1 cc of each. If it works, I would expect to see a difference within 24 
hours for sure.  Since he does not have high liver or kidney values or as 
far as we know lymphoma in his bone marrow, I would assume that if the steroids 
are going to work they would make him feel better pretty quickly-- that the 
shrinking of the tumors itself would make him feel better.
 
The one possible side effect of strong steroids, short-term, is 
diabetes.  But it is very rare for that to happen in the short-term and 
usually is a long-term effect.  Given Ewok's situation, I do not think 
there is a down-side to trying the steroids.  Or to trying CCNU.
 
If your oncologist has reservations about using dex/depo combination shots 
on him, you can tell him to call the oncologist who treated Simon. I have not 
been in touch with him for months, but he is a really nice guy and I am sure he 
will remember what happened and be willing to talk about it.  His name is 
Jeff Philibert and he is at NEVOG in MA (New England Veterinary Oncology 
Group).  He did research on heavy steroid use in cats before agreeing to do 
the shots.  The other thing is that your oncologist would probably agree 
there is not much of a down-side to trying at this point, if the Elspar does not 
help (which hopefully it will).
 
Lots of hopeful wishes,
Michelle
 
In a message dated 12/16/2005 3:53:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi 
  Michelle!Thanks, again, for all of your sage advice and 
  encouragment!  My regularvet is going to call me back, I will ask her 
  about the strongersteroids...what are their full names and how were they 
  administered andhow often?

 

Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?--Another tumor

[jenmeyer]

Hi Michelle!

Thanks, again, for all of your sage advice and encouragment!  My regular
vet is going to call me back, I will ask her about the stronger
steroids...what are their full names and how were they administered and
how often?


"But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be
unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You
become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine de
Saint-Exupéry

"If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know
each other.  If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what
you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --Chief Dan
George

- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Friday, December 16, 2005 2:36 pm
Subject: Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?--Another tumor

> 
> I'm sorry, Jen! That's horrible.  Josephine did get tumors in her  
> intestines 
> secondary to  tumors on her kidneys, and she lived a couple  months 
> with them 
> just getting those shots, without even any chemo.  The dex  would 
> visibly 
> shrink the tumor within just a few hours.  The day that the  shot 
> did not do that 
> or make her start eating, I knew it was the end, and she  went into 
> respiratory distress a few hours later.
> 
> You can also ask the oncologist about CCNU.  It is a chemo drug 
> that  they 
> use when cats come out of remission from the other chemo agents.  
> It  is 
> synthetic, so cats get resistant to it more slowly.  When the 
> dex/depo  shot got 
> Simon to the point he could get more chemo, he got CCNU.  That and  
> the shots are 
> what made him feel so great for the month.  A few weeks after  
> getting the 
> CCNU, when his blood work showed him near remission again, he got  
> Adriamycin for 
> the first time, and a week later had a sudden auto-immune  reaction 
> and 
> killed all his red blood cells and died.  I do not know if it  was 
> a reaction to 
> the cancer or to the Adriamycin.  But I do know that the  dex/depo 
> shots and the 
> CCNU worked wonders on the cancer together, and I wished  
> afterwards that the 
> oncologist had given him CCNU again rather than Adriamycin  (though 
> he 
> insisted the auto-immune response was to the cancer and would have  
> happened 
> anyway).  I read that about 50% of cats who have come out of  
> remission go back into 
> remission from CCNU, I think.  I also do not think  it is as harsh 
> on the 
> system as Adriamycin.
> 
> I think that Belinda's Buddie, who had intestinal lymphoma I think 
> (not  
> sure), did well on CCNU also. But I think she had the small cell 
> slow-growing  
> kind of lymphoma, which is different than what Ewok has.
> 
> Jen, I think there is little hope that Ewok is going to be cured of 
> this.  
> But I do think there is hope that might be able to feel well for  
> another few 
> weeks or months, and that there is some chance that with stronger  
> steroids and 
> something like CCNU he could go into remission, and a smaller  
> chance that 
> the remission could last a year or more as has happened in some  
> cases.  I would 
> not expect this to happen, because I do not think it is the  norm 
> with 
> positive cats, but I do not think you are expecting it. But I would 
> certainly hope 
> and pray for it at this point (and I am hoping and praying for  
> it), because 
> it could and has happened.
> 
> Michelle
> 
> In a message dated 12/16/2005 3:15:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> Damn!  I should have checked my email before I left...thanks for  
> that,Michelle...I'm going to keep that one in mind!  Ewok and I 
> just  got back
> from the oncologist's and it's as we all pretty much expected: a  
> mass in
> his intestines (a lymph node I believe, but I'm so tired I can't  
> thinkstraight right now...).  So he was actually given a round of  
> elspar to
> see if the tumor responds...I guess we'll know in the next 24-48  
> hours.Please continue to send out those healing  vibes!
> 
> Jen
> 
> 
> 
>

Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?--Another tumor

[Lernermichelle]

I'm sorry, Jen! That's horrible.  Josephine did get tumors in her 
intestines secondary to  tumors on her kidneys, and she lived a couple 
months with them just getting those shots, without even any chemo.  The dex 
would visibly shrink the tumor within just a few hours.  The day that the 
shot did not do that or make her start eating, I knew it was the end, and she 
went into respiratory distress a few hours later.
 
You can also ask the oncologist about CCNU.  It is a chemo drug that 
they use when cats come out of remission from the other chemo agents.  It 
is synthetic, so cats get resistant to it more slowly.  When the dex/depo 
shot got Simon to the point he could get more chemo, he got CCNU.  That and 
the shots are what made him feel so great for the month.  A few weeks after 
getting the CCNU, when his blood work showed him near remission again, he got 
Adriamycin for the first time, and a week later had a sudden auto-immune 
reaction and killed all his red blood cells and died.  I do not know if it 
was a reaction to the cancer or to the Adriamycin.  But I do know that the 
dex/depo shots and the CCNU worked wonders on the cancer together, and I wished 
afterwards that the oncologist had given him CCNU again rather than Adriamycin 
(though he insisted the auto-immune response was to the cancer and would have 
happened anyway).  I read that about 50% of cats who have come out of 
remission go back into remission from CCNU, I think.  I also do not think 
it is as harsh on the system as Adriamycin.
 
I think that Belinda's Buddie, who had intestinal lymphoma I think (not 
sure), did well on CCNU also. But I think she had the small cell slow-growing 
kind of lymphoma, which is different than what Ewok has.
 
Jen, I think there is little hope that Ewok is going to be cured of 
this.  But I do think there is hope that might be able to feel well for 
another few weeks or months, and that there is some chance that with stronger 
steroids and something like CCNU he could go into remission, and a smaller 
chance that the remission could last a year or more as has happened in some 
cases.  I would not expect this to happen, because I do not think it is the 
norm with positive cats, but I do not think you are expecting it. But I would 
certainly hope and pray for it at this point (and I am hoping and praying for 
it), because it could and has happened.
 
Michelle
 
In a message dated 12/16/2005 3:15:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Damn!  I should have checked my email before I left...thanks for 
  that,Michelle...I'm going to keep that one in mind!  Ewok and I just 
  got backfrom the oncologist's and it's as we all pretty much expected: a 
  mass inhis intestines (a lymph node I believe, but I'm so tired I can't 
  thinkstraight right now...).  So he was actually given a round of 
  elspar tosee if the tumor responds...I guess we'll know in the next 24-48 
  hours.Please continue to send out those healing 
vibes!Jen

 

Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?--Another tumor

[jenmeyer]

Damn!  I should have checked my email before I left...thanks for that,
Michelle...I'm going to keep that one in mind!  Ewok and I just got back
from the oncologist's and it's as we all pretty much expected: a mass in
his intestines (a lymph node I believe, but I'm so tired I can't think
straight right now...).  So he was actually given a round of elspar to
see if the tumor responds...I guess we'll know in the next 24-48 hours.
 Please continue to send out those healing vibes!

Jen


"But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be
unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You
become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine de
Saint-Exupéry

"If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know
each other.  If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what
you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --Chief Dan
George

- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Friday, December 16, 2005 12:15 pm
Subject: Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?

> 
> Jen,
> 
>If it is another tumor, ask for the combo dex/depo shot  to see 
> if it 
> will help.  Combined with chemo, it helped Simon for an extra  
> month and made him 
> feel really good.  It also suppresses nausea and  increases 
> appetite, besides 
> shrinking the tumor temporarily.
> 
> Michelle
> 
> In a message dated 12/16/2005 12:39:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> You're  right...I guess I think of non-regenetive anemia when I think
> about  activating the virus!
> 
> Anyhoo, Ewok is still at the oncologist's (I'm at  home)...the 
> oncologistthinks it could be one of two things:  either a  reaction 
> to the chemo
> (in which case, we keep supporting him), or, at  worst, a tumor has
> formed in his belly.  Ewok is getting an  ultra-sound right now, so we
> should know soon what we're dealing  with.  Personally, I'm fearing 
> thelatter...I guess it would make the  most sense given what he's 
> been going
> through this past week.  I'm  still hoping that there is, well,
> hope...but I'm trying to prepare myself  at the same time.
> 
> Please keep Ewok in your  thoughts!
> 
> Jen
> 
> 
> 
> 
>

Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?

[Lernermichelle]

Jen,
 
    If it is another tumor, ask for the combo dex/depo shot 
to see if it will help.  Combined with chemo, it helped Simon for an extra 
month and made him feel really good.  It also suppresses nausea and 
increases appetite, besides shrinking the tumor temporarily.
 
Michelle
 
In a message dated 12/16/2005 12:39:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You're 
  right...I guess I think of non-regenetive anemia when I thinkabout 
  activating the virus!Anyhoo, Ewok is still at the oncologist's (I'm at 
  home)...the oncologistthinks it could be one of two things:  either a 
  reaction to the chemo(in which case, we keep supporting him), or, at 
  worst, a tumor hasformed in his belly.  Ewok is getting an 
  ultra-sound right now, so weshould know soon what we're dealing 
  with.  Personally, I'm fearing thelatter...I guess it would make the 
  most sense given what he's been goingthrough this past week.  I'm 
  still hoping that there is, well,hope...but I'm trying to prepare myself 
  at the same time.Please keep Ewok in your 
  thoughts!Jen

 

Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?--Wendy

[jenmeyer]

Thanks, Wendy...I appreciate that!  I'm hoping, too, that he can make a
turn-around...but I still have an awful feeling that it's a tumor that's
causing the problems.  I guess I'll have to wait and see what the
oncologist suggests, but we didn't have much luck with Ewok's brother's
(Pips') intestinal lymphoma, so it's hard to be optimistic... :(

And you're absolutely right about Michelle...I don't know what I'd do
without her and her little fur-angel Simon!

I'll keep you updated!

Jen


"But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be
unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You
become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine de
Saint-Exupéry

"If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know
each other.  If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what
you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --Chief Dan
George

- Original Message -
From: wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Friday, December 16, 2005 11:38 am
Subject: Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?

> Hey Jen,
> 
> I will keep Ewok in my prayers.  I hope that he starts
> turning around soon.  You are right.  Michelle has no
> reason to feel badly for suggesting chemo for Ewok. 
> She is a wonderful source of information, and a light
> to all of us and our kitties.  Please keep us posted
> on Ewok.
> 
> :)
> Wendy
> 
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Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?

[wendy]

Hey Jen,

I will keep Ewok in my prayers.  I hope that he starts
turning around soon.  You are right.  Michelle has no
reason to feel badly for suggesting chemo for Ewok. 
She is a wonderful source of information, and a light
to all of us and our kitties.  Please keep us posted
on Ewok.

:)
Wendy

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Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?

[jenmeyer]

You're right...I guess I think of non-regenetive anemia when I think
about activating the virus!

Anyhoo, Ewok is still at the oncologist's (I'm at home)...the oncologist
thinks it could be one of two things:  either a reaction to the chemo
(in which case, we keep supporting him), or, at worst, a tumor has
formed in his belly.  Ewok is getting an ultra-sound right now, so we
should know soon what we're dealing with.  Personally, I'm fearing the
latter...I guess it would make the most sense given what he's been going
through this past week.  I'm still hoping that there is, well,
hope...but I'm trying to prepare myself at the same time.

Please keep Ewok in your thoughts!

Jen


"But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be
unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You
become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine de
Saint-Exupéry

"If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know
each other.  If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what
you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --Chief Dan
George

- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Friday, December 16, 2005 9:16 am
Subject: Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?

> 
> In a message dated 12/16/2005 10:10:36 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> Ewok has  been able to keep the FeLV in check through all this so 
> far, I feel like  I'm tempting fate with the additional stress!
> 
> 
> 
> I totally understand that. But the lymphoma is from his FeLV, so it 
> actually 
> has not been in check.  When I am worried about triggering the  
> FeLV virus  
> in my cats, what I am most afraid of is triggering the  formation 
> of lymphoma.  
> 
> Maybe you should ask the vet about using Immuno-Regulin to try to 
> control  
> the fever and whatever is causing it? It helped with Ginger and 
> Patches, though  
> Ginger also had a reaction to it that cause her fever to spike to 
> 106 for a 
> half  hour or so right after the shot, which was very scary.
> 
> Michelle
>

Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?

[jenmeyer]

Oh, Michelle, No!  Please don't feel guilty, you have no reason to!!  
At the very least, the chemo has given me 3 more wonderful months with 
my boy!  If I had it to do all over again, I would make the same 
decision!

I just wish I could understand what's going on...you have echoed the 
sentiments of my vet who is just at a loss as to why he's having such 
a severe reaction...perhaps the oncologist will be able to figure it 
out!  Could the high white cell count indicate that the cancer is 
spreading?

I will let you know what happens when I get back!

All the best,

Jen


"But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be 
unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; 
You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine 
de Saint-Exupéry

"If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know 
each other.  If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and 
what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --
Chief Dan George

- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Friday, December 16, 2005 9:14 am
Subject: Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?

> 
> Jen, I'm praying for him.  I don't really understand about the 
> white  blood 
> cell count-- if anything, chemo usually makes that go down. It 
> seems like  he 
> has an infection now? 
> 
> I am really sorry if you did chemo partially because I recommended 
> it and  he 
> is having this reaction.  I was glad when you said you were doing 
> it and  he 
> seemed to be responding so well, but now I feel terrible about 
> recommending  
> it.  I never heard of a cat reacting this way to it.
> 
> Please let us know what happens at the oncologist's.
> 
> Michelle
> 
> In a message dated 12/16/2005 10:10:36 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> Hi  Michelle!
> 
> Our vet is *fairly* confident it's a reaction to the chemo (I  
> think it 
> started with the adriamycin...then the "nail-in-the-coffin,"  so-
> to-
> speak, was the vincristine).  Fortunately, Ewok's oncologist is  
> in 
> town today, so my vet will be getting ahold of him to get any  
> suggestions.  Ewok is still hanging in there, but we're a little  
> concerned that his temp this morning was just over  102!
> 
> Update:  The vet just called...she's concerned that his white  
> blood 
> cell count is rising...I'm going to go ahead and take him to the  
> oncologist's office at 10:30.  I'm just sick to my stomach, right  
> now...Ewok has been able to keep the FeLV in check through all 
> this so  
> far, I feel like I'm tempting fate with the additional  stress!
> 
> Please keep my boy in your thoughts and  prayers!
> 
> Jen
> 
> 
> 
> 
>

Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?

[Lernermichelle]

In a message dated 12/16/2005 10:10:36 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Ewok has 
  been able to keep the FeLV in check through all this so far, I feel like 
  I'm tempting fate with the additional stress!

I totally understand that. But the lymphoma is from his FeLV, so it 
actually has not been in check.  When I am worried about triggering the 
FeLV virus  in my cats, what I am most afraid of is triggering the 
formation of lymphoma.  
 
Maybe you should ask the vet about using Immuno-Regulin to try to control 
the fever and whatever is causing it? It helped with Ginger and Patches, though 
Ginger also had a reaction to it that cause her fever to spike to 106 for a half 
hour or so right after the shot, which was very scary.
 
Michelle

Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?

[Lernermichelle]

Jen, I'm praying for him.  I don't really understand about the white 
blood cell count-- if anything, chemo usually makes that go down. It seems like 
he has an infection now? 
 
I am really sorry if you did chemo partially because I recommended it and 
he is having this reaction.  I was glad when you said you were doing it and 
he seemed to be responding so well, but now I feel terrible about recommending 
it.  I never heard of a cat reacting this way to it.
 
Please let us know what happens at the oncologist's.
 
Michelle
 
In a message dated 12/16/2005 10:10:36 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi 
  Michelle!Our vet is *fairly* confident it's a reaction to the chemo (I 
  think it started with the adriamycin...then the "nail-in-the-coffin," 
  so-to-speak, was the vincristine).  Fortunately, Ewok's oncologist is 
  in town today, so my vet will be getting ahold of him to get any 
  suggestions.  Ewok is still hanging in there, but we're a little 
  concerned that his temp this morning was just over 
  102!Update:  The vet just called...she's concerned that his white 
  blood cell count is rising...I'm going to go ahead and take him to the 
  oncologist's office at 10:30.  I'm just sick to my stomach, right 
  now...Ewok has been able to keep the FeLV in check through all this so 
  far, I feel like I'm tempting fate with the additional 
  stress!Please keep my boy in your thoughts and 
  prayers!Jen

 

Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?

[jenmeyer]

Hi Michelle!

Our vet is *fairly* confident it's a reaction to the chemo (I think it 
started with the adriamycin...then the "nail-in-the-coffin," so-to-
speak, was the vincristine).  Fortunately, Ewok's oncologist is in 
town today, so my vet will be getting ahold of him to get any 
suggestions.  Ewok is still hanging in there, but we're a little 
concerned that his temp this morning was just over 102!

Update:  The vet just called...she's concerned that his white blood 
cell count is rising...I'm going to go ahead and take him to the 
oncologist's office at 10:30.  I'm just sick to my stomach, right 
now...Ewok has been able to keep the FeLV in check through all this so 
far, I feel like I'm tempting fate with the additional stress!

Please keep my boy in your thoughts and prayers!

Jen


"But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be 
unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; 
You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine 
de Saint-Exupéry

"If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know 
each other.  If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and 
what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --
Chief Dan George

- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Friday, December 16, 2005 8:46 am
Subject: Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?

> 
> I am glad you are holding off on the chemo for now, but so sorry 
> he is  
> having this reaction. Does the vet think it is from the 
> Adriamycin? 
> Michelle
> 
> In a message dated 12/16/2005 5:33:51 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> Hi  Michelle!
> 
> Yes, Ewok was supposed to get another round of chemo this  weekend 
> (Cytoxen), but when I asked my vet about it, her eyes got really  
> big 
> and she shook her head vigorously, "NO."  :)  And he still  on the 
> Reglan (it's part of his daily i.v. drip)...but as for keeping his 
> 
> food down, we took a step backwards tonight...I'm hoping it was 
> just  
> the result of another drug my vet prescribed (sucralfate?), so I'm 
> up  
> at this ungodly hour after the poor guy, again, with a syringe!  
> So  
> far, so good...about 10 ccs of watered down A/D (that seems to be 
> the  
> one I've had the most luck with) over the course of about a 1/2 
> hour  
> and no vomit!  Gosh, it amazes me sometimes the things I'm 
> profoundly  
> thankful for... ;)
> 
> Anyhoo, we'll be back at the vet's again in  about 4 hours...he's 
> still 
> in good spirits for the little nurishment he's  gotten over the 
> past 
> week...At this point, I'm starting to hope for a  miracle... :(
> 
> Take care and positive vibes out to poor  Lucy!!
> 
> Jen
> 
> 
> 
>

Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?

[Lernermichelle]

I am glad you are holding off on the chemo for now, but so sorry he is 
having this reaction. Does the vet think it is from the Adriamycin? 
Michelle
 
In a message dated 12/16/2005 5:33:51 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi 
  Michelle!Yes, Ewok was supposed to get another round of chemo this 
  weekend (Cytoxen), but when I asked my vet about it, her eyes got really 
  big and she shook her head vigorously, "NO."  :)  And he still 
  on the Reglan (it's part of his daily i.v. drip)...but as for keeping his 
  food down, we took a step backwards tonight...I'm hoping it was just 
  the result of another drug my vet prescribed (sucralfate?), so I'm up 
  at this ungodly hour after the poor guy, again, with a syringe!  So 
  far, so good...about 10 ccs of watered down A/D (that seems to be the 
  one I've had the most luck with) over the course of about a 1/2 hour 
  and no vomit!  Gosh, it amazes me sometimes the things I'm profoundly 
  thankful for... ;)Anyhoo, we'll be back at the vet's again in 
  about 4 hours...he's still in good spirits for the little nurishment he's 
  gotten over the past week...At this point, I'm starting to hope for a 
  miracle... :(Take care and positive vibes out to poor 
  Lucy!!Jen

 

Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?

[jenmeyer]

Hi Michelle!

Yes, Ewok was supposed to get another round of chemo this weekend 
(Cytoxen), but when I asked my vet about it, her eyes got really big 
and she shook her head vigorously, "NO."  :)  And he still on the 
Reglan (it's part of his daily i.v. drip)...but as for keeping his 
food down, we took a step backwards tonight...I'm hoping it was just 
the result of another drug my vet prescribed (sucralfate?), so I'm up 
at this ungodly hour after the poor guy, again, with a syringe!  So 
far, so good...about 10 ccs of watered down A/D (that seems to be the 
one I've had the most luck with) over the course of about a 1/2 hour 
and no vomit!  Gosh, it amazes me sometimes the things I'm profoundly 
thankful for... ;)

Anyhoo, we'll be back at the vet's again in about 4 hours...he's still 
in good spirits for the little nurishment he's gotten over the past 
week...At this point, I'm starting to hope for a miracle... :(

Take care and positive vibes out to poor Lucy!!

Jen


"But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be 
unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; 
You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine 
de Saint-Exupéry

"If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know 
each other.  If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and 
what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --
Chief Dan George

- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thursday, December 15, 2005 10:13 pm
Subject: Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?

> 
> Jen, I am really sorry he is having so many symptoms.  Is there 
> any  talk of 
> giving the chemo a rest until he feels better? It is ok to give  
> beneficial 
> bateria while giving antibiotics, and it is in fact recommended. 
> You  just need 
> to make sure you give it a few hours before or after the 
> antibiotic  doses so 
> it does not get killed right away. I would definitely try the 
> slippery  elm. 
> However, given how hard it as been to fix Lucy's diarrhea, I am 
> not  pretending 
> to know how to fix this!  It's very good he is holding down his  
> food though. 
> Is he still on Reglan?
> Michelle
> 
> In a message dated 12/15/2005 11:09:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> Hi  Michelle!
> 
> Unfortunately, not much improvement...he stays a the vet's  office 
> during the day for fluids and supportive therapy...his appetite is 
> 
> still close to nil and now he is combating severe diarrhea!  The 
> vet  
> is trying everything she can think of and Ewok is being such a 
> little  
> sweet-heart about all of the poking, prodding and syringe 
> feedings.   I 
> just made up a batch of pureed boiled chicken and brown rice...at  
> least he's able to hold everything down...I'm going to give the  
> slippery elm a shot, but I'm holding off on any beneficial 
> bacteria as  
> he is getting an antibiotic at the same time.  I'm not sure what 
> else  
> to do but keep up the supportive therapy until his GI tract is in  
> working order, again!  I hope he bounces back soon, his blood-work 
> is  
> normal as of Monday, and the vet is going to check it again  
> tomorrow...I miss my little fussy boy!   :(
> 
> Jen
> 
> 
> 
>

Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?

[Lernermichelle]

Jen, I am really sorry he is having so many symptoms.  Is there any 
talk of giving the chemo a rest until he feels better? It is ok to give 
beneficial bateria while giving antibiotics, and it is in fact recommended. You 
just need to make sure you give it a few hours before or after the antibiotic 
doses so it does not get killed right away. I would definitely try the slippery 
elm. However, given how hard it as been to fix Lucy's diarrhea, I am not 
pretending to know how to fix this!  It's very good he is holding down his 
food though. Is he still on Reglan?
Michelle
 
In a message dated 12/15/2005 11:09:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi 
  Michelle!Unfortunately, not much improvement...he stays a the vet's 
  office during the day for fluids and supportive therapy...his appetite is 
  still close to nil and now he is combating severe diarrhea!  The vet 
  is trying everything she can think of and Ewok is being such a little 
  sweet-heart about all of the poking, prodding and syringe feedings.  
  I just made up a batch of pureed boiled chicken and brown rice...at 
  least he's able to hold everything down...I'm going to give the 
  slippery elm a shot, but I'm holding off on any beneficial bacteria as 
  he is getting an antibiotic at the same time.  I'm not sure what else 
  to do but keep up the supportive therapy until his GI tract is in 
  working order, again!  I hope he bounces back soon, his blood-work is 
  normal as of Monday, and the vet is going to check it again 
  tomorrow...I miss my little fussy boy!  
:(Jen

 

Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?

[jenmeyer]

Hi Michelle!

Unfortunately, not much improvement...he stays a the vet's office 
during the day for fluids and supportive therapy...his appetite is 
still close to nil and now he is combating severe diarrhea!  The vet 
is trying everything she can think of and Ewok is being such a little 
sweet-heart about all of the poking, prodding and syringe feedings.  I 
just made up a batch of pureed boiled chicken and brown rice...at 
least he's able to hold everything down...I'm going to give the 
slippery elm a shot, but I'm holding off on any beneficial bacteria as 
he is getting an antibiotic at the same time.  I'm not sure what else 
to do but keep up the supportive therapy until his GI tract is in 
working order, again!  I hope he bounces back soon, his blood-work is 
normal as of Monday, and the vet is going to check it again 
tomorrow...I miss my little fussy boy!  :(

Jen


"But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be 
unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; 
You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine 
de Saint-Exupéry

"If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know 
each other.  If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and 
what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --
Chief Dan George

- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thursday, December 15, 2005 9:36 pm
Subject: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?

> Any improvement in chemo side effect symptoms?  
> Michelle
>

Jen-- how is Ewok doing?

[Lernermichelle]

Any improvement in chemo side effect symptoms?  
Michelle

Re: Jen

[jenmeyer]

:)  With a few of the places we had to spend the night in our cars, 
I'm actually suprised we didn't get shot at... :) ...I'm trying to 
think of a good English colloquialism for "avoided catastrophe" 
ie. "dodged a bullet," but can't think of one off-hand...do the Brits 
have an expression for "barely avoided disaster?"



"But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be 
unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; 
You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine 
de Saint-Exupéry

"If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know 
each other.  If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and 
what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --
Chief Dan George

- Original Message -
From: Kerry MacKenzie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sunday, October 2, 2005 11:55 am
Subject: Re: Jen

> Welcome back Jen---what an ordeal you guys have been through. It's 
> great to
> know you're all safe and sound, and that your home is in one piece 
> too.Hope little Ewok is doing okay.
> Good to have you back!
> Kerry PS: d'you literally mean you dodged a bullet or is that a 
> "dumb Brit"
> Q?!
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 11:46 AM
> Subject: Re: Jen
> 
> 
> Hi Guys!
> 
> We're back!  Physically, anyway, mentally, I'm still having a hard 
> time"recovering" from the nightmare of the evacuation!  :(
> 
> It took us over 55 hours to get from Houston to Little Rock!!  Our
> evacuation route was bumper to bumper for about 50 of those 
hours...we
> spent a couple of nights on the side of the road and, I'm not sure 
> if it
> made the local news in areas other than Texas, but we were one of 
> thosethousands of people stranded on the side of the road because 
> we ran out
> of gas!  Thanks to a good samaritan, we were able to make our way to
> Little Rock on Saturday staying just ahead of the hurricane the 
entire
> way!  We literally could only sleep for an hour or so Friday night 
(we
> were still in Texas at this point with no room at any hotel or 
shelter
> until we got into Arkansas) because as the hurricane approached, it
> brought tornados.  But we finally made it to Arkansas early Saturday
> with animals in tow...Everyone did great despite having to be 
confined
> to a car for two days!  Little Rock was wonderful, everyone was very
> kind and helpful...we even managed to make it to the river front area
> the day before we returned to Texas for a much needed beer (or 
> two) at
> an English pub called "The Underground."  :)
> 
> Anyhoo, unfortunately, I had to take Ewok to his oncologist 
> appointmentthis morning...more car trauma!!  The poor guy, just 
> got out of the damn
> car and here I am sticking him back in it for a half-hour car ride to
> his doctor's appointment!  We're all very much looking forward to 
this
> weekend!  We dodged a bullet and only lost a few tree limbs in the 
> storm(only 1/4" of rain!!)...it's sad to think that we would have 
> been safer
> staying in our own home during the storm!!
> 
> Hope this all makes sense!  My brain is still all over the place (I'm
> absolutely exhausted)...thank you all for your positive thoughts...I
> have yet to read though the list email, but I know there have been a
> couple of losses (Julie and Nina??)...I believe I saw something about
> Grace...  :(
> 
> Take care, all...
> 
> Jen
> 
> 
> "But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you 
> will be
> unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the 
> world; You
> become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine de
> Saint-Exupéry
> 
> "If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know
> each other.  If you do not talk to them you will not know them, 
> and what
> you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --
> Chief Dan
> George
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Thursday, September 29, 2005 8:52 pm
> Subject: Jen
> 
> > Has anyone heard from Jen since the evacuation??
> >
> > tonya
> >
> > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > > So that msg forwarded from Jen was an out-of-date msg?
> > >
> > > Gloria
> > >
> > > At 10:13 AM 9/28/2005, you wrote:
> > > >

Re: Jen

[Kerry MacKenzie]

Welcome back Jen---what an ordeal you guys have been through. It's great to
know you're all safe and sound, and that your home is in one piece too.
Hope little Ewok is doing okay.
Good to have you back!
Kerry PS: d'you literally mean you dodged a bullet or is that a "dumb Brit"
Q?!



- Original Message -
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: Jen


Hi Guys!

We're back!  Physically, anyway, mentally, I'm still having a hard time
"recovering" from the nightmare of the evacuation!  :(

It took us over 55 hours to get from Houston to Little Rock!!  Our
evacuation route was bumper to bumper for about 50 of those hours...we
spent a couple of nights on the side of the road and, I'm not sure if it
made the local news in areas other than Texas, but we were one of those
thousands of people stranded on the side of the road because we ran out
of gas!  Thanks to a good samaritan, we were able to make our way to
Little Rock on Saturday staying just ahead of the hurricane the entire
way!  We literally could only sleep for an hour or so Friday night (we
were still in Texas at this point with no room at any hotel or shelter
until we got into Arkansas) because as the hurricane approached, it
brought tornados.  But we finally made it to Arkansas early Saturday
with animals in tow...Everyone did great despite having to be confined
to a car for two days!  Little Rock was wonderful, everyone was very
kind and helpful...we even managed to make it to the river front area
the day before we returned to Texas for a much needed beer (or two) at
an English pub called "The Underground."  :)

Anyhoo, unfortunately, I had to take Ewok to his oncologist appointment
this morning...more car trauma!!  The poor guy, just got out of the damn
car and here I am sticking him back in it for a half-hour car ride to
his doctor's appointment!  We're all very much looking forward to this
weekend!  We dodged a bullet and only lost a few tree limbs in the storm
(only 1/4" of rain!!)...it's sad to think that we would have been safer
staying in our own home during the storm!!

Hope this all makes sense!  My brain is still all over the place (I'm
absolutely exhausted)...thank you all for your positive thoughts...I
have yet to read though the list email, but I know there have been a
couple of losses (Julie and Nina??)...I believe I saw something about
Grace...  :(

Take care, all...

Jen


"But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be
unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You
become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine de
Saint-Exupéry

"If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know
each other.  If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what
you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --Chief Dan
George

- Original Message -
From: catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thursday, September 29, 2005 8:52 pm
Subject: Jen

> Has anyone heard from Jen since the evacuation??
>
> tonya
>
> --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > So that msg forwarded from Jen was an out-of-date msg?
> >
> > Gloria
> >
> > At 10:13 AM 9/28/2005, you wrote:
> > >Hi Gloria
> > >   Yes..These were in Tenn.  Now in Vermont and doing very well...
> > >They have put on plenty of weight and grown beautiful coats...
> > >A big change from when they were taken from AW...
> > >Interesting..The 2 FeLV+ mentioned below for euthanasia have turned
> > >out to be the most active of the 6 and I think just the initial
> > visit to
> > >the vet...Just goes to show..Don't give up on these guys
> > >Tad
> > >
> > ><mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >>Is this in Tennessee?  Just wondering about location -
> > >>
> > >>Gloria
> > >>
> > >>At 10:48 AM 7/2/2005, you wrote:
> > >>>The "white" cat in danger of being put down due today to nasty
> > ears,
> > >>>sores, and etc, has now been discovered to be a very light BUFF
> > cat, NOT
> > >>>white, as first suspected. She is FEMALE.
> > >>>I have to go to work, if she is anyone's cat, and you want to
> save> her,
> > >>>email Kara at <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >>>(please do NOT bombard Kara with emails that I could answer, as
> > she is
> > >>>already very overwhelmed! ONLY email her if one of these cats may
> > be
> > >>>yours! I can't do anything from work though, 

Re: Jen

[gblane]

Jen!  What a trip!  55 hours!

I want to tell you your letter arrived today - thanks SO MUCH for the St 
Christopher's medals and prayers - they're wonderful, I really appreciate it!


I was driving back from Memphis Saturday evening, took 3 Siamese to the 
rescue there.  Driving rain, just missed a tornado (been missing them here 
in Arkansas all my life), driving took twice as long as it should 
have.   If you ever need anything in Arkansas, just call me - I know folks 
all over the state.  I do think it's nice here for hurricane folks - Friday 
night I was in Memphis overnight, and thought that motel we stayed at (on 
the freeway) had jacked up the prices.  Brother!


While I'm sure there are places with the regular prices, there are lots of 
places here in Little Rock that are doing half price and freebies for 
people from LA, TX, MS, and AL, which is nice.  Haven't seen any fuel 
shortages here either.  The Rivermarket area is a pleasant place - nice to 
walk around, places to eat


I've been busy with a new foster puppy, sick cats, sick relatives, papers 
to grade, etc.  Because of the puppy I now mop the bathroom floor every 
morning.  Sigh.  Cute little dickens though.


Anyhow - glad you're back home and ok -

Gloria


At 11:46 AM 9/30/2005, you wrote:

Hi Guys!

We're back!  Physically, anyway, mentally, I'm still having a hard time
"recovering" from the nightmare of the evacuation!  :(

It took us over 55 hours to get from Houston to Little Rock!!  Our
evacuation route was bumper to bumper for about 50 of those hours...we
spent a couple of nights on the side of the road and, I'm not sure if it
made the local news in areas other than Texas, but we were one of those
thousands of people stranded on the side of the road because we ran out
of gas!  Thanks to a good samaritan, we were able to make our way to
Little Rock on Saturday staying just ahead of the hurricane the entire
way!  We literally could only sleep for an hour or so Friday night (we
were still in Texas at this point with no room at any hotel or shelter
until we got into Arkansas) because as the hurricane approached, it
brought tornados.  But we finally made it to Arkansas early Saturday
with animals in tow...Everyone did great despite having to be confined
to a car for two days!  Little Rock was wonderful, everyone was very
kind and helpful...we even managed to make it to the river front area
the day before we returned to Texas for a much needed beer (or two) at
an English pub called "The Underground."  :)

Anyhoo, unfortunately, I had to take Ewok to his oncologist appointment
this morning...more car trauma!!  The poor guy, just got out of the damn
car and here I am sticking him back in it for a half-hour car ride to
his doctor's appointment!  We're all very much looking forward to this
weekend!  We dodged a bullet and only lost a few tree limbs in the storm
(only 1/4" of rain!!)...it's sad to think that we would have been safer
staying in our own home during the storm!!

Hope this all makes sense!  My brain is still all over the place (I'm
absolutely exhausted)...thank you all for your positive thoughts...I
have yet to read though the list email, but I know there have been a
couple of losses (Julie and Nina??)...I believe I saw something about
Grace...  :(

Take care, all...

Jen


"But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be
unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You
become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine de
Saint-Exupéry

"If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know
each other.  If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what
you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --Chief Dan
George

----- Original Message -
From: catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thursday, September 29, 2005 8:52 pm
Subject: Jen

> Has anyone heard from Jen since the evacuation??
>
> tonya
>
> --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > So that msg forwarded from Jen was an out-of-date msg?
> >
> > Gloria
> >
> > At 10:13 AM 9/28/2005, you wrote:
> > >Hi Gloria
> > >   Yes..These were in Tenn.  Now in Vermont and doing very well...
> > >They have put on plenty of weight and grown beautiful coats...
> > >A big change from when they were taken from AW...
> > >Interesting..The 2 FeLV+ mentioned below for euthanasia have turned
> > >out to be the most active of the 6 and I think just the initial
> > visit to
> > >the vet...Just goes to show..Don't give up on these guys
> > >Tad
> > >
> > ><mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >>Is this in Tennessee?  Just wondering about 

Jen

[Lomaxturtle]

So pleased you all stayed safe and well and got back to no sever damage. 
Hope your animals settle down well again.
 
Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy & Angel Bramble
 
 

RE: Jen

[Chris]

Wow!  I can't imagine 55 hours in the car with my cats  I'm so glad you
suffered no major damage... and hooray for you for evacuating--we all
continue to see the terrible things that happened to the pets that were left
behind

Chris
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 12:47 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Jen

Hi Guys!

We're back!  Physically, anyway, mentally, I'm still having a hard time
"recovering" from the nightmare of the evacuation!  :(

It took us over 55 hours to get from Houston to Little Rock!!  Our
evacuation route was bumper to bumper for about 50 of those hours...we
spent a couple of nights on the side of the road and, I'm not sure if it
made the local news in areas other than Texas, but we were one of those
thousands of people stranded on the side of the road because we ran out
of gas!  Thanks to a good samaritan, we were able to make our way to
Little Rock on Saturday staying just ahead of the hurricane the entire
way!  We literally could only sleep for an hour or so Friday night (we
were still in Texas at this point with no room at any hotel or shelter
until we got into Arkansas) because as the hurricane approached, it
brought tornados.  But we finally made it to Arkansas early Saturday
with animals in tow...Everyone did great despite having to be confined
to a car for two days!  Little Rock was wonderful, everyone was very
kind and helpful...we even managed to make it to the river front area
the day before we returned to Texas for a much needed beer (or two) at
an English pub called "The Underground."  :)

Anyhoo, unfortunately, I had to take Ewok to his oncologist appointment
this morning...more car trauma!!  The poor guy, just got out of the damn
car and here I am sticking him back in it for a half-hour car ride to
his doctor's appointment!  We're all very much looking forward to this
weekend!  We dodged a bullet and only lost a few tree limbs in the storm
(only 1/4" of rain!!)...it's sad to think that we would have been safer
staying in our own home during the storm!!

Hope this all makes sense!  My brain is still all over the place (I'm
absolutely exhausted)...thank you all for your positive thoughts...I
have yet to read though the list email, but I know there have been a
couple of losses (Julie and Nina??)...I believe I saw something about
Grace...  :(

Take care, all...

Jen


"But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be
unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You
become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine de
Saint-Exupéry

"If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know
each other.  If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what
you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --Chief Dan
George

- Original Message -
From: catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thursday, September 29, 2005 8:52 pm
Subject: Jen

> Has anyone heard from Jen since the evacuation??
> 
> tonya
> 
> --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > So that msg forwarded from Jen was an out-of-date msg?
> > 
> > Gloria
> > 
> > At 10:13 AM 9/28/2005, you wrote:
> > >Hi Gloria
> > >   Yes..These were in Tenn.  Now in Vermont and doing very well...
> > >They have put on plenty of weight and grown beautiful coats...
> > >A big change from when they were taken from AW...
> > >Interesting..The 2 FeLV+ mentioned below for euthanasia have turned
> > >out to be the most active of the 6 and I think just the initial
> > visit to
> > >the vet...Just goes to show..Don't give up on these guys
> > >Tad
> > >
> > ><mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >>Is this in Tennessee?  Just wondering about location -
> > >>
> > >>Gloria
> > >>
> > >>At 10:48 AM 7/2/2005, you wrote:
> > >>>The "white" cat in danger of being put down due today to nasty
> > ears, 
> > >>>sores, and etc, has now been discovered to be a very light BUFF
> > cat, NOT 
> > >>>white, as first suspected. She is FEMALE.
> > >>>I have to go to work, if she is anyone's cat, and you want to 
> save> her, 
> > >>>email Kara at <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >>>(please do NOT bombard Kara with emails that I could answer, as
> > she is 
> > >>>already very overwhelmed! ONLY email her if one of these cats may
> > be 
> > >>>yours! I can&#x

Re: Jen

[catatonya]

OOPS! That last message got away from me.  

Anyway, I can't imagine what 50 hours in the car with all my cats and
dogs would be like!

The sad thing is, you had no way of knowing how bad it would be.  I
think, no matter how bad it was, you were right to evacuate.  If you
had been wrong you would have been faced with the dilemma of evacuating
without your animals!

I'm glad you don't have much damage.  And I'm glad you got to have some
beers and go out one night. lol.

Relax this weekend!

Take care,
tonya

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hi Guys!
> 
> We're back!  Physically, anyway, mentally, I'm still having a hard
> time
> "recovering" from the nightmare of the evacuation!  :(
> 
> 

Re: Jen

[catatonya]

I'm glad you are all safe and sound.  What a nightmare.  Just a ride to
the vet's with all my kittys seems like 50 hours.  I can't imagine what
that many hours would REALLY

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hi Guys!
> 
> We're back!  Physically, anyway, mentally, I'm still having a hard
> time
> "recovering" from the nightmare of the evacuation!  :(
> 
> It took us over 55 hours to get from Houston to Little Rock!!  Our
> evacuation route was bumper to bumper for about 50 of those
> hours...we
> spent a couple of nights on the side of the road and, I'm not sure if
> it
> made the local news in areas other than Texas, but we were one of
> those
> thousands of people stranded on the side of the road because we ran
> out
> of gas!  Thanks to a good samaritan, we were able to make our way to
> Little Rock on Saturday staying just ahead of the hurricane the
> entire
> way!  We literally could only sleep for an hour or so Friday night
> (we
> were still in Texas at this point with no room at any hotel or
> shelter
> until we got into Arkansas) because as the hurricane approached, it
> brought tornados.  But we finally made it to Arkansas early Saturday
> with animals in tow...Everyone did great despite having to be
> confined
> to a car for two days!  Little Rock was wonderful, everyone was very
> kind and helpful...we even managed to make it to the river front area
> the day before we returned to Texas for a much needed beer (or two)
> at
> an English pub called "The Underground."  :)
> 
> Anyhoo, unfortunately, I had to take Ewok to his oncologist
> appointment
> this morning...more car trauma!!  The poor guy, just got out of the
> damn
> car and here I am sticking him back in it for a half-hour car ride to
> his doctor's appointment!  We're all very much looking forward to
> this
> weekend!  We dodged a bullet and only lost a few tree limbs in the
> storm
> (only 1/4" of rain!!)...it's sad to think that we would have been
> safer
> staying in our own home during the storm!!
> 
> Hope this all makes sense!  My brain is still all over the place (I'm
> absolutely exhausted)...thank you all for your positive thoughts...I
> have yet to read though the list email, but I know there have been a
> couple of losses (Julie and Nina??)...I believe I saw something about
> Grace...  :(
> 
> Take care, all...
> 
> Jen
> 
> 
> "But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will
> be
> unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world;
> You
> become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine de
> Saint-Exupéry
> 
> "If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know
> each other.  If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and
> what
> you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --Chief
> Dan
> George
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Thursday, September 29, 2005 8:52 pm
> Subject: Jen
> 
> > Has anyone heard from Jen since the evacuation??
> > 
> > tonya
> > 
> > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > 
> > > So that msg forwarded from Jen was an out-of-date msg?
> > > 
> > > Gloria
> > > 
> > > At 10:13 AM 9/28/2005, you wrote:
> > > >Hi Gloria
> > > >   Yes..These were in Tenn.  Now in Vermont and doing very
> well...
> > > >They have put on plenty of weight and grown beautiful coats...
> > > >A big change from when they were taken from AW...
> > > >Interesting..The 2 FeLV+ mentioned below for euthanasia have
> turned
> > > >out to be the most active of the 6 and I think just the initial
> > > visit to
> > > >the vet...Just goes to show..Don't give up on these guys
> > > >Tad
> > > >
> > > ><mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > >>Is this in Tennessee?  Just wondering about location -
> > > >>
> > > >>Gloria
> > > >>
> > > >>At 10:48 AM 7/2/2005, you wrote:
> > > >>>The "white" cat in danger of being put down due today to nasty
> > > ears, 
> > > >>>sores, and etc, has now been discovered to be a very light
> BUFF
> > > cat, NOT 
> > > >>>white, as first suspected. She is FEMALE.
> > > >>>I have to go to work, if she is anyone's cat, and you want to 
> > save> her, 
> &g

Re: Jen

[jenmeyer]

Hi Guys!

We're back!  Physically, anyway, mentally, I'm still having a hard time
"recovering" from the nightmare of the evacuation!  :(

It took us over 55 hours to get from Houston to Little Rock!!  Our
evacuation route was bumper to bumper for about 50 of those hours...we
spent a couple of nights on the side of the road and, I'm not sure if it
made the local news in areas other than Texas, but we were one of those
thousands of people stranded on the side of the road because we ran out
of gas!  Thanks to a good samaritan, we were able to make our way to
Little Rock on Saturday staying just ahead of the hurricane the entire
way!  We literally could only sleep for an hour or so Friday night (we
were still in Texas at this point with no room at any hotel or shelter
until we got into Arkansas) because as the hurricane approached, it
brought tornados.  But we finally made it to Arkansas early Saturday
with animals in tow...Everyone did great despite having to be confined
to a car for two days!  Little Rock was wonderful, everyone was very
kind and helpful...we even managed to make it to the river front area
the day before we returned to Texas for a much needed beer (or two) at
an English pub called "The Underground."  :)

Anyhoo, unfortunately, I had to take Ewok to his oncologist appointment
this morning...more car trauma!!  The poor guy, just got out of the damn
car and here I am sticking him back in it for a half-hour car ride to
his doctor's appointment!  We're all very much looking forward to this
weekend!  We dodged a bullet and only lost a few tree limbs in the storm
(only 1/4" of rain!!)...it's sad to think that we would have been safer
staying in our own home during the storm!!

Hope this all makes sense!  My brain is still all over the place (I'm
absolutely exhausted)...thank you all for your positive thoughts...I
have yet to read though the list email, but I know there have been a
couple of losses (Julie and Nina??)...I believe I saw something about
Grace...  :(

Take care, all...

Jen


"But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be
unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You
become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine de
Saint-Exupéry

"If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know
each other.  If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what
you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --Chief Dan
George

- Original Message -
From: catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thursday, September 29, 2005 8:52 pm
Subject: Jen

> Has anyone heard from Jen since the evacuation??
> 
> tonya
> 
> --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > So that msg forwarded from Jen was an out-of-date msg?
> > 
> > Gloria
> > 
> > At 10:13 AM 9/28/2005, you wrote:
> > >Hi Gloria
> > >   Yes..These were in Tenn.  Now in Vermont and doing very well...
> > >They have put on plenty of weight and grown beautiful coats...
> > >A big change from when they were taken from AW...
> > >Interesting..The 2 FeLV+ mentioned below for euthanasia have turned
> > >out to be the most active of the 6 and I think just the initial
> > visit to
> > >the vet...Just goes to show..Don't give up on these guys
> > >Tad
> > >
> > ><mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >>Is this in Tennessee?  Just wondering about location -
> > >>
> > >>Gloria
> > >>
> > >>At 10:48 AM 7/2/2005, you wrote:
> > >>>The "white" cat in danger of being put down due today to nasty
> > ears, 
> > >>>sores, and etc, has now been discovered to be a very light BUFF
> > cat, NOT 
> > >>>white, as first suspected. She is FEMALE.
> > >>>I have to go to work, if she is anyone's cat, and you want to 
> save> her, 
> > >>>email Kara at <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >>>(please do NOT bombard Kara with emails that I could answer, as
> > she is 
> > >>>already very overwhelmed! ONLY email her if one of these cats may
> > be 
> > >>>yours! I can't do anything from work though, and don't want
> > anyone's cat 
> > >>>to die just because I am not at home to relay messages!)
> > >>>
> > >>>I will have pictures TODAY when I get home from work, 10PM 
> eastern> time. 
> > >>>Stay up late if interested!
> > >>>
> > >>>I will answer all other emails tonight if time allows, including
> > your

Re: Jen

[Kerry MacKenzie]

Good point. To my knowledge there's been no email to the list. Maybe
someone's heard from her directly? Hope they're ok



- Original Message -
From: "catatonya" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 8:52 PM
Subject: Jen


> Has anyone heard from Jen since the evacuation??
>
> tonya
>
> --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > So that msg forwarded from Jen was an out-of-date msg?
> >
> > Gloria
> >
> > At 10:13 AM 9/28/2005, you wrote:
> > >Hi Gloria
> > >   Yes..These were in Tenn.  Now in Vermont and doing very well...
> > >They have put on plenty of weight and grown beautiful coats...
> > >A big change from when they were taken from AW...
> > >Interesting..The 2 FeLV+ mentioned below for euthanasia have turned
> > >out to be the most active of the 6 and I think just the initial
> > visit to
> > >the vet...Just goes to show..Don't give up on these guys
> > >Tad
> > >
> > ><mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >>Is this in Tennessee?  Just wondering about location -
> > >>
> > >>Gloria
> > >>
> > >>At 10:48 AM 7/2/2005, you wrote:
> > >>>The "white" cat in danger of being put down due today to nasty
> > ears,
> > >>>sores, and etc, has now been discovered to be a very light BUFF
> > cat, NOT
> > >>>white, as first suspected. She is FEMALE.
> > >>>I have to go to work, if she is anyone's cat, and you want to save
> > her,
> > >>>email Kara at <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >>>(please do NOT bombard Kara with emails that I could answer, as
> > she is
> > >>>already very overwhelmed! ONLY email her if one of these cats may
> > be
> > >>>yours! I can't do anything from work though, and don't want
> > anyone's cat
> > >>>to die just because I am not at home to relay messages!)
> > >>>
> > >>>I will have pictures TODAY when I get home from work, 10PM eastern
> > time.
> > >>>Stay up late if interested!
> > >>>
> > >>>I will answer all other emails tonight if time allows, including
> > your
> > >>>questions Tad. Yes, I THINK I can get sponsors!
> > >>>
> > >>>Jenn
> > >>><http://ucat.us>http://ucat.us
> >
>
>>><http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html>http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.htm
l
> > >>>
> >
>
>>>~
~~
> >
> > >>>
> > >>>Dilute calico DMH, ~4 years -  female
> > >>>Eyes - sunken, 3rd eyelid up
> > >>>Ear mites
> > >>>Fleas 4+
> > >>>Mouth - peridontal/missing teeth
> > >>>Dehydrated
> > >>>Notes:  very thin, dehydrated, Recommend euthanasia
> > >>>
> > >>>Buff DSH, ~4 years -  female
> > >>>Eyes - conjunctivitis
> > >>>Ears - mites
> > >>>Skin - dermatitis, hair loss, self trauma
> > >>>Abdomen - hernia over incision
> > >>>Mouth - missing teeth, periodontal, gingivitis
> > >>>Legs/feet - pressure sores
> > >>>Notes: ear flaps ulcerated necrotic, conjuct, nasal discharge,
> > missing
> > >>>teeth, periodontal, gingivitis, pressure sores on hocks, fleas
> > >>>Needs Euthanized
> > >>>
> > >>>Black DSH, >6 years - Female
> > >>>Ears - mites
> > >>>Skin/coat - fleas ++, severe (??) dermatitis
> > >>>Abdominal - thin
> > >>>Mouth - moderate tarter
> > >>>Notes: none
> > >>>
> > >>>Then I have two bad FIVs:
> > >>>
> > >>>White with gray DSH, 5 years -   male - this has been there for at
> > least
> > >>>5 years - Nicky
> > >>>Eyes - sunken
> > >>>Ears - mites
> > >>>Skin - fleas, thin hair
> > >>>Mouth - see below
> > >>>Dehydrated
> > >>>Notes - mouth ulcer tongue, severe tarter, periodontal,
> > gingivitis, URI
> > >>>Body condition, 1.5
> > >>>Vet recommends euthanasia
> > >>>
> > >>>Buff DSH, 4 years -  male
> > >>>Eyes - sunken
> > >>>Ears - mites
> > >>>Skin - fleas, self trauma to skin, wounds on right rear leg,
> > pressure
> > >>>sores, possible mange
> > >>>Mouth - severe gingivitis, periodontal disease, acne
> > >>>Dehydrated
> > >>>Notes - recommends euthanasia
> > >>>No virus found in this outgoing message.
> > >>>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
> > >>>Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.8/37 - Release Date:
> > 7/1/2005
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>

Jen

[catatonya]

Has anyone heard from Jen since the evacuation??

tonya

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> So that msg forwarded from Jen was an out-of-date msg?
> 
> Gloria
> 
> At 10:13 AM 9/28/2005, you wrote:
> >Hi Gloria
> >   Yes..These were in Tenn.  Now in Vermont and doing very well...
> >They have put on plenty of weight and grown beautiful coats...
> >A big change from when they were taken from AW...
> >Interesting..The 2 FeLV+ mentioned below for euthanasia have turned
> >out to be the most active of the 6 and I think just the initial
> visit to
> >the vet...Just goes to show..Don't give up on these guys
> >Tad
> >
> ><mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >>Is this in Tennessee?  Just wondering about location -
> >>
> >>Gloria
> >>
> >>At 10:48 AM 7/2/2005, you wrote:
> >>>The "white" cat in danger of being put down due today to nasty
> ears, 
> >>>sores, and etc, has now been discovered to be a very light BUFF
> cat, NOT 
> >>>white, as first suspected. She is FEMALE.
> >>>I have to go to work, if she is anyone's cat, and you want to save
> her, 
> >>>email Kara at <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>>(please do NOT bombard Kara with emails that I could answer, as
> she is 
> >>>already very overwhelmed! ONLY email her if one of these cats may
> be 
> >>>yours! I can't do anything from work though, and don't want
> anyone's cat 
> >>>to die just because I am not at home to relay messages!)
> >>>
> >>>I will have pictures TODAY when I get home from work, 10PM eastern
> time. 
> >>>Stay up late if interested!
> >>>
> >>>I will answer all other emails tonight if time allows, including
> your 
> >>>questions Tad. Yes, I THINK I can get sponsors!
> >>>
> >>>Jenn
> >>><http://ucat.us>http://ucat.us
>
>>><http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html>http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
> >>>
>
>>>~~~
> 
> >>>
> >>>Dilute calico DMH, ~4 years -  female
> >>>Eyes - sunken, 3rd eyelid up
> >>>Ear mites
> >>>Fleas 4+
> >>>Mouth - peridontal/missing teeth
> >>>Dehydrated
> >>>Notes:  very thin, dehydrated, Recommend euthanasia
> >>>
> >>>Buff DSH, ~4 years -  female
> >>>Eyes - conjunctivitis
> >>>Ears - mites
> >>>Skin - dermatitis, hair loss, self trauma
> >>>Abdomen - hernia over incision
> >>>Mouth - missing teeth, periodontal, gingivitis
> >>>Legs/feet - pressure sores
> >>>Notes: ear flaps ulcerated necrotic, conjuct, nasal discharge,
> missing 
> >>>teeth, periodontal, gingivitis, pressure sores on hocks, fleas
> >>>Needs Euthanized
> >>>
> >>>Black DSH, >6 years - Female
> >>>Ears - mites
> >>>Skin/coat - fleas ++, severe (??) dermatitis
> >>>Abdominal - thin
> >>>Mouth - moderate tarter
> >>>Notes: none
> >>>
> >>>Then I have two bad FIVs:
> >>>
> >>>White with gray DSH, 5 years -   male - this has been there for at
> least 
> >>>5 years - Nicky
> >>>Eyes - sunken
> >>>Ears - mites
> >>>Skin - fleas, thin hair
> >>>Mouth - see below
> >>>Dehydrated
> >>>Notes - mouth ulcer tongue, severe tarter, periodontal,
> gingivitis, URI
> >>>Body condition, 1.5
> >>>Vet recommends euthanasia
> >>>
> >>>Buff DSH, 4 years -  male
> >>>Eyes - sunken
> >>>Ears - mites
> >>>Skin - fleas, self trauma to skin, wounds on right rear leg,
> pressure 
> >>>sores, possible mange
> >>>Mouth - severe gingivitis, periodontal disease, acne
> >>>Dehydrated
> >>>Notes - recommends euthanasia
> >>>No virus found in this outgoing message.
> >>>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
> >>>Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.8/37 - Release Date:
> 7/1/2005
> >>
> >>
> >>
> 
> 
> 

Re: Jen----Nutrical

[jenmeyer]

Hi Lisa!

Yep, it's a supplement that can be taylored for supplemental use, or for
guys that aren't eating much (if anything) at all!  Like I said, it just
comes in a tube (kinda like toothpaste)...if you're able to get your
finger in kitty's mouth (as opposed to the syringe, which takes a little
getting used to, I admit), then this may be the way to go!  Good luck!


"But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be
unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You
become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine de
Saint-Exupéry

"If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know
each other.  If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what
you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --Chief Dan
George

- Original Message -
From: Elizabeth Paz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 9:13 pm
Subject: JenNutrical

> 
> 
> I've never heard of Nutrical, is it a food supplement?  This sounds 
> very 
> good and quite easy to give, at this point I am willing to try 
> anything.  
> Thank you so much, I will be picking up a tube tomorrow.
> 
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> size=1>
> From:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To:  
> felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo:  
> felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject:  Re: RE: 
> Lisa--NutricalDate:  Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:16:34 
> -0500>This is a good way to administer Nutrical, if it 
> hasn't 
> been suggested>already!  It's a high-calorie gel that comes 
> in a tube 
> (can also be>found at Petsmart, etc.)...just put some on 
> your finger 
> and scrape>against the roof of kitty's mouth...I've also put 
> some on 
> paws so that>they're forced to lick it off...but you can't 
> put too 
> much as cat's have>a tendency to want to shake it off before 
> they 
> lick it off...I've got>splatterings of Nutrical all over the 
>
kitchen!>>>>"But

> if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will 
> be>unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all 
> the 
> world; You>become responsible, forever, for what you have 
> tamed..." --Antoine de>Saint-
> Exupéry>>"If you 
> talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will 
> know>each 
> other.  If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and 
> what>you do not know you will fear. What one fears one 
> destroys." --Chief Dan>George>>- 
> Original 
> Message ->From: Hideyo Yamamoto 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>Date: Wednesday, 
> August 31, 
> 2005 11:13 am>Subject: RE: Lisa>> > Hi, 
> Lisa, are 
> you using syringe?  I have one cat, Leo who just> > hated 
> to> > be fed with syringe and everthing could come out 
> from his 
> mouth ---> >> > My vet also told me a different 
> way of 
> feeding with your finger - you> > take a pallatble food 
> like baby 
> food or cannned food, and put some on> > the tip of your 
> pointing 
> finger . you put the food side up (the> > oppositeside of 
> where 
> your nail is), and put it into his mouth --> > rub 
> against> 
> > the top of his palate -> >> > How is he 
> doing 
> today?> > -Original Message-> > From: 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> Elizabeth> 
> > PazSent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 10:11 PM> > To: 
> felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > Subject: Hideyo> 
> >> >> > Thank you for your kind words, I 
> will keep 
> trying.  It just that he> > struggles so much that I 
> worry about 
> getting him all stressed out.  He> > does> > 
> put up one 
> heck of a struggle.  His head is so strong and it moves> 
> > 
> so> > quickly.> >> > But I will keep 
> trying.  
> He was so ill  in 03 that we did not think he> > 
> would> 
> > make it but we worked so hard on getting him so healthy and 
> chubby.> > butthis> > is so different with the 
> food.  I 
> can easily give him his pills, but> > this> > 
> food 
> stuff, what can I say, this is just tearing my heart up.> 
> >> > Thank You for support.> > Lisa> 
> >> >> >> >> > 
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Re: Jen----Nutrical

[janine paton]

I have a cat who is negative, but he doesn't want to
eat either.  
My homeopathic vet recommends a supplement called
Amino B-Plex.  
It has amino acids, B vitamins to stimulate the
appetite, potassium, iron, a few other things that
aren't  familiar to me.  It's a liquid, and they seem
to like it.  You just squirt it in their mouth.  

It doesn't have sodium benzoate, which is a
preservative that isn't OK for cats (even tho a lot of
cat products use it)

I don't know how high calorie it is, but I am
wondering how many calories are in a tablespoon of
nutrical and what that actually translates to for a
cat?  

The website listed on the bottle is www.naturaldvm.com
if anyone is interested. 

Janine 

  
--- Elizabeth Paz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> 
> I've never heard of Nutrical, is it a food
> supplement?  This sounds very 
> good and quite easy to give, at this point I am
> willing to try anything.  
> Thank you so much, I will be picking up a tube
> tomorrow.
> 
> 
style='FONT-SIZE:11px;FONT-FAMILY:tahoma,sans-serif'> color=#A0C6E5 
> size=1>
> From:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To:  
> felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo:  
> felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: 
> Re: RE: 
> Lisa--NutricalDate:  Wed, 31 Aug 2005
> 12:16:34 
> -0500>This is a good way to administer
> Nutrical, if it hasn't 
> been suggested>already!  It's a high-calorie
> gel that comes in a tube 
> (can also be>found at Petsmart, etc.)...just
> put some on your finger 
> and scrape>against the roof of kitty's
> mouth...I've also put some on 
> paws so that>they're forced to lick it
> off...but you can't put too 
> much as cat's have>a tendency to want to
> shake it off before they 
> lick it off...I've got>splatterings of
> Nutrical all over the 
>
kitchen!>>>>"But
> 
> if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To
> me, you will 
> be>unique in all the world. To you, I shall
> be unique in all the 
> world; You>become responsible, forever, for
> what you have 
> tamed..." --Antoine
> de>Saint-Exupéry>>"If you 
> talk to the animals they will talk with you and you
> will know>each 
> other.  If you do not talk to them you will not know
> them, and 
> what>you do not know you will fear. What one
> fears one 
> destroys." --Chief
> Dan>George>>- Original 
> Message ->From: Hideyo Yamamoto 
>
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>Date:
> Wednesday, August 31, 
> 2005 11:13 am>Subject: RE:
> Lisa>> > Hi, Lisa, are 
> you using syringe?  I have one cat, Leo who
> just> > hated 
> to> > be fed with syringe and everthing
> could come out from his 
> mouth ---> >> > My vet also told
> me a different way of 
> feeding with your finger - you> > take a
> pallatble food like baby 
> food or cannned food, and put some on> >
> the tip of your pointing 
> finger . you put the food side up (the> >
> oppositeside of where 
> your nail is), and put it into his mouth -->
> > rub against> 
> > the top of his palate -> >>
> > How is he doing 
> today?> > -Original
> Message-> > From: 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Elizabeth> 
> > PazSent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 10:11
> PM> > To: 
> felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > Subject:
> Hideyo> 
> >> >> > Thank you for your
> kind words, I will keep 
> trying.  It just that he> > struggles so
> much that I worry about 
> getting him all stressed out.  He> >
> does> > put up one 
> heck of a struggle.  His head is so strong and it
> moves> > 
> so> > quickly.> >> >
> But I will keep trying.  
> He was so ill  in 03 that we did not think
> he> > would> 
> > make it but we worked so hard on getting him so
> healthy and 
> chubby.> > butthis> > is so
> different with the food.  I 
> can easily give him his pills, but> >
> this> > food 
> stuff, what can I say, this is just tearing my heart
> up.> 
> >> > Thank You for support.>
> > Lisa> 
> >> >> >> >>
> > 
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> From:  
> "Hideyo Yamamoto">
> > 
>
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> 
> >
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>

Subject:
> 
>   RE: Won't> > EatPlease 
> Help
Date:  Tue, 30 Aug
> 2005 17:20:06> 
> > -0600
>Lisa, I can
> emphasize your pain - my 
> Felv positive,> > Ginger> > 
> stopped
>eating for over a week a
> several months> 
> > ago.
>
>She is
> already a very small 
> girl, and did not want> > her> >
> to lose any 
> more
>weight - so as Nina mentioned,
> I assisted> > 
> her to> > eat> > with syringe
> every
>day 
> with baby food and liver shake> > 
> -
>
>I will be
> praying that your kitty will 
> bounce back> > very> > soon - so
> 
> stay
>calm (I know it's hard, but do
> your best) and> 
> > talk