To Jen-FeLV vaccination of recovered cat
Hi Jen, I don't think that the FeLV vaccine will have any effect due to her history. The vaccination will not help prevent the virus from kicking in if she's already carrying it. However, that being said, if she is an indoor cat only, I wouldn't waste my time or money vaccinating her. If she doesn't come into contact with other cats, she can't contract it. Many of us here do not vaccinate, especially considering some cancers are associated with vaccinating. And since she's had the antibodies, I'm not even sure she can contract it (again?). Unfortunately, there isn't enough research on FeLV yet to know all the answers. :) Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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P.S. Jen-make sure you have at least one good pic of Allie; take some tonight if you are able. And also, if you are able to, be there with her when she crosses. It's horrible but at the same time, will be an honor and a blessing to both of you, if that makes any sense. Take care Jen and give little Allie hugs from all of us. Wendy --- TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thank you for being able to listen to her, and hear her. they DO tell us. helping them cross the bridge when it's their time is definitely one of the most difficult things we ever do, yet it's also often the last gift we can offer them in exchange for all the love and joy they have given us. will hold you both in my heart. MC On 5/15/06, Jennifer Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I honestly never understood what you all meant by you will know when it is time, but it's true, our cats do have a way of telling us (this is the first sick cat I have ever cared for, so this is a totally new experience for me all around...). Allie has rapidly been declining over the past few days despite treatments. Her temp just keeps climbing (it's now up to 107.1 this am) and she has completely stopped eating and drinking. She growls every time I try to give her any kind of medication or treatment. I truly believe that this is her way of telling me she does not want anymore. Allie has never liked vets, needles, or even oral meds, so I know that taking daily antibotics and frequent injections and sq fluids has probably been very rough on her. I also feel that at this point she is suffering and I do not want that for her. I think she's trying to tell me it's her time- she's tired and she just can't fight anymore. Unfortunately I think we found the FELV and FIV relatively end stage and with both viruses, her body is just very run down. Right now she has no spunk- just lies around in one spot all day hiding - barely even has the energy to purr. That is not my Allie cat! It is killing me to see her suffer and I am now content that I understand what she is trying to tell me. So, unfortunately, I have to make the hardest decision that any pet mommy and cat lover has to make. I am going to spend tonight with my baby girl and if God does not take her on His own, I am going to help her cross the bridge tomorrow. I have never had to make such a difficult decision in my life and I bless you and feel the pain of each and every one of you that have had to make this same decision before. However, I know it is the right thing to do. I have told her that it's OK to go, I just want her to be happy and not suffer anymore, and ever since I told her that she has been purring more and not hiding as much- it's as if she's at peace now. That's helping me know that I am making the right decision. Please remember my little one tonight and tomorrow afternoon at 4pm when I say good-bye. She has lived a long (10 yrs) good and happy life. She deserves only to be happy. Thank you for everything. I don't know what I would have done without all of you. Jen and Allie New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Thanks Jen-I will try that when I get home from work tonight. Hopefully it will work a lot better! --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wendy, if she's able to kick you in the boobs, you aren't restraining her right. The BEST way to restrain a cat (on your own, with no tools or gimmicks) is to put the cat on the floor, preferably a SMOOTH floor, so their claws can't get any traction (bathrooms work well, even IN the bathtub if you have full house carpeting). Straddle the cat, facing the same direction, then go down on your knees OVER the cat. The cat will be between your legs, it's back near your crotch, it's tail will be going out behind you, near your feet, it's head will be in front of your knees. Put your feet close together, to block the rear escape route, then hold kitty's head or neck scruff, and SIT down on her. Don't literally put all your weight on her, but you want to form a wedge, a TIGHT one, on her with your crotch, legs, feet, and hands. She should be trapped now. If she moves, sit down more and squeeze your legs together tighter, keep your feet crossed if you have to, to form a tight wedge (a few threatening curse words usually work well in this step, LOL). Since you are approaching with the medicine from the front, most cats will react by trying to back out of this hold, so you have to keep your legs, feet, and butt all tight together. You should be able to grab her by the neck scruff (the skin) and pull her back and push her down if she tries to run forward out of the hold (front claws will be clawing uselessly in the air to the front, just avoid them, aim the drops/meds BETWEEN swats, timing is everything). Use one hand to wrangle kitty, use the other for giving the meds. Make sure you have the bottles/tubes, etc OPEN before you begin, because you'll only have one free hand to use for the medicine application. This method will work for all but the most feral and vicious cats. Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah (UCAT) Cat Rescue: http://ucat.us/adopt.html PLEASE DONATE TO THE TANGLE FUND: Tangle is a cat in Greece that was severely injured when someone wrapped wire around his neck to strangle him, Little Cheetah Cat Rescue is raising funds to bring Tangle to Vermont to find him a good home! http://ucat.us/tangle-fund.html DONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital camera (for pictures), and more towels! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.5.2/329 - Release Date: 5/2/2006 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Hey Jen, Man, I know that awful feeling of going to a job(s) that you hate!!! It is a horrible feeling. I'm right there with you at this point in my life. And then getting into trouble on top of that... I read a book last month called Who Moved My Cheese and it helped me, because my attitude really stunk. I'm not saying yours does. But when I'm not happy with my life, my attitude is not as positive, and this book helped me with that. Also, there's another book called 48 days to the Work You Love which you might look into. It doesn't sound like you have much time to read, but maybe you could read to Zack. He might like to hear about mice. lol. I don't know how shelter employees/volunteers do what they do either. It IS heartbreaking, and I can't understand how people surrender their pets either. But I know this. In time, all will work itself out. Just be patient and gentle with yourself, and don't lose hope. If you need to vent, I'm always here. :) Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Thanks Wendy, I'm much better today. Zack, on the other hand, is still very sad. :-( Poor Zackers. I'll have new pics sometime this weekend, so you guys can see how pretty he is. :-) Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah (UCAT) Cat Rescue: http://ucat.us/adopt.html PLEASE DONATE TO THE TANGLE FUND: Tangle is a cat in Greece that was severely injured when someone wrapped wire around his neck to strangle him, Little Cheetah Cat Rescue is raising funds to bring Tangle to Vermont to find him a good home! http://ucat.us/tangle-fund.html -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.4/319 - Release Date: 4/19/2006
Jen: OT: New journey-laying tile!!!
Hey Jen, Thanks for the tips!!! If I can talk my husband into doing it (and I can be very persuasive...lol), then we will definitely be buying those knee pads. Thanks for the mortar tip too. I can't believe I am starting to look forward to this-I hated the idea two weeks ago. Did you guys have to prep your floor (ie. even it out, etc.) before you laid the tile? :) Wendy --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Wendy! Tiling isn't all that difficult, just a little time-consuming! :) We've done our kitchen and 2 bathrooms ourselves...first thing that comes to mind: invest in those knee-pad thingys they sell at Home Depot or Lowes! It's alot of hard-work on the knees! And I think I just picked up a tiling video from Home Depot for, maybe, $10...it gives you a good visual of what to do. Just be sure to mix up your mortar every once in awhile to keep it soft and easy to spread! Actually, if I can dig up that video tape, I'll send it to ya, if you like! Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, April 3, 2006 10:02 am Subject: OT: New journey-laying tile!!! To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hey guys, My husband and I have decided to go with the tile in replacing our carpet in the living room, hallway and one bedroom, plus we figure we might as well replace the kitchen and master bath linoleum while we're at it as it needs replacing too. We're going to move on this in the next two weeks, since I'm having foot surgery on the 25th of April and would like it completed by then. There is some beautiful tile out there. What stinks is that the labor costs twice as much as the tile. So if you have a 10x10 room, and the tile is 2$ per square foot (on average), it's going to cost you $200 for just the tile. But the labor is another $3.25 (HD) or $3.50 (Lowe's) per square foot, so what we could do for $200 will end up costing us $525-550. That's a lot! And when you're talking about 800 square feet, it gets expensive. Plus, sealing the tile is extra (we will for sure do that ourselves), and tearing up the carpet is extra (we'll do that too), and floor prep is extra (probably do that too!!!). LOL. So we might possibly lay the tile ourselves with help from a few friends who have already done it. My husband is scared to do it-he doesn't want to mess our house up. I am more the do-it-yourself type, so I'm all for it. Anyone out there ever lay tile? Any thoughts or advice? :) Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Jen: OT: New journey-laying tile!!!
P.S. I think I will go pick up that video today so that my husband can watch it. Thank you for offering to send it-that is very sweet! You should have seen my husband when I tried to convince him we could fix a leaky toilet when we first married two years ago. He had never done any handy work before, and what should have been a simple job involved having to go buy the tool to open the water hole to turn off the water to the whole house outside and then fixing several leaks. lol. He just wanted to call the plumber, but I'm cheap and if I can do it myself, I will. We ended up fixing it, but it really was a pain in the butt and not the first handy job I would have picked to warm my husband up to fixing things around the house. LOL. :) Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Hee, hee! I know what you mean about doing it yourself! With internet access, I have just enough do-it-yourself knowledge to make me dangerous... ;) I, too, embarked on a toilet fixer-uper...basically, the toilet was rocking so I figured, How hard can it be to fix? BTW, you can replace the fix in that last sentence with just about anything else I've tried: lay tile? install laminate flooring? replace ceiling fixtures? install electric wall sconces? put in new sinks? :) Anyway, a simple fixer-uper with the toilet turned into having to replace the entire gasket which turned into having to buy a hammer drill and cement to afix the gasket because we have cement sub-flooring! It took a whole d*mn weekend, but I fixed the rock, darn it! :) As for the sub-flooring for the tile, we didn't have to do anything to ours as it was already pretty level...I know you can buy some kind of cement to spread over low spots...and you can also buy sheets of some kind of sub-flooring if the floor is really bad, but I'm not sure how to install those! The video, I think, covers most of that! Our kitchen and bathrooms had that vinyl sheet flooring (very, very old judging by the pattern). :) The video actually recommended just tiling over any old vinyl flooring as the glue underneath could have asbestos. So we just pulled up the shiny part and tiled right over the old glue! But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, April 3, 2006 11:01 am Subject: Jen: OT: New journey-laying tile!!! To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org P.S. I think I will go pick up that video today so that my husband can watch it. Thank you for offering to send it-that is very sweet! You should have seen my husband when I tried to convince him we could fix a leaky toilet when we first married two years ago. He had never done any handy work before, and what should have been a simple job involved having to go buy the tool to open the water hole to turn off the water to the whole house outside and then fixing several leaks. lol. He just wanted to call the plumber, but I'm cheap and if I can do it myself, I will. We ended up fixing it, but it really was a pain in the butt and not the first handy job I would have picked to warm my husband up to fixing things around the house. LOL. :) Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Jen: OT: New journey-laying tile!!!
Oh! One more tip! When you start laying tile, I'd start in a bathroom or hallway...you know, some place small and out of the way! It's not easy to screw up tile...you've got all kinds of time to fix it until the mortar sets, but best to get the feel for it somewhere where it won't be noticable! :) But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, April 3, 2006 11:01 am Subject: Jen: OT: New journey-laying tile!!! To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org P.S. I think I will go pick up that video today so that my husband can watch it. Thank you for offering to send it-that is very sweet! You should have seen my husband when I tried to convince him we could fix a leaky toilet when we first married two years ago. He had never done any handy work before, and what should have been a simple job involved having to go buy the tool to open the water hole to turn off the water to the whole house outside and then fixing several leaks. lol. He just wanted to call the plumber, but I'm cheap and if I can do it myself, I will. We ended up fixing it, but it really was a pain in the butt and not the first handy job I would have picked to warm my husband up to fixing things around the house. LOL. :) Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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I'm confused...did you pull the vinyl/laminate up and then lay tile, or did you just lay tile over the vinyl? I know what you mean about the toilet thing. The guy at Home Depot just gave me a pointer. He said that when replacing wax seals on toilets, which is really easy to mess up, put two straws on top of those two bolts on either side to guide the toilet down, so you don't mess the wax seal up by trying to find them. That way, your toilet won't rock like ours does now after we fixed it! lol. Neat tip... --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hee, hee! I know what you mean about doing it yourself! With internet access, I have just enough do-it-yourself knowledge to make me dangerous... ;) I, too, embarked on a toilet fixer-uper...basically, the toilet was rocking so I figured, How hard can it be to fix? BTW, you can replace the fix in that last sentence with just about anything else I've tried: lay tile? install laminate flooring? replace ceiling fixtures? install electric wall sconces? put in new sinks? :) Anyway, a simple fixer-uper with the toilet turned into having to replace the entire gasket which turned into having to buy a hammer drill and cement to afix the gasket because we have cement sub-flooring! It took a whole d*mn weekend, but I fixed the rock, darn it! :) As for the sub-flooring for the tile, we didn't have to do anything to ours as it was already pretty level...I know you can buy some kind of cement to spread over low spots...and you can also buy sheets of some kind of sub-flooring if the floor is really bad, but I'm not sure how to install those! The video, I think, covers most of that! Our kitchen and bathrooms had that vinyl sheet flooring (very, very old judging by the pattern). :) The video actually recommended just tiling over any old vinyl flooring as the glue underneath could have asbestos. So we just pulled up the shiny part and tiled right over the old glue! But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, April 3, 2006 11:01 am Subject: Jen: OT: New journey-laying tile!!! To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org P.S. I think I will go pick up that video today so that my husband can watch it. Thank you for offering to send it-that is very sweet! You should have seen my husband when I tried to convince him we could fix a leaky toilet when we first married two years ago. He had never done any handy work before, and what should have been a simple job involved having to go buy the tool to open the water hole to turn off the water to the whole house outside and then fixing several leaks. lol. He just wanted to call the plumber, but I'm cheap and if I can do it myself, I will. We ended up fixing it, but it really was a pain in the butt and not the first handy job I would have picked to warm my husband up to fixing things around the house. LOL. :) Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Jen: OT: New journey-laying tile!!!
With the vinyl, we just pulled the top layer off and left the bottom layer with the glue attached to the floor. I was afraid the mortar wouldn't stick to the glossy surface of the vinyl. It should separate pretty easily and it's alot faster than trying to scrape all the glue off the floor! That's a good tip about the straws! I wish I had known that when I replaced both of our toilets! ;) But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, April 3, 2006 11:44 am Subject: Re: Jen: OT: New journey-laying tile!!! To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org I'm confused...did you pull the vinyl/laminate up and then lay tile, or did you just lay tile over the vinyl? I know what you mean about the toilet thing. The guy at Home Depot just gave me a pointer. He said that when replacing wax seals on toilets, which is really easy to mess up, put two straws on top of those two bolts on either side to guide the toilet down, so you don't mess the wax seal up by trying to find them. That way, your toilet won't rock like ours does now after we fixed it! lol. Neat tip... --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hee, hee! I know what you mean about doing it yourself! With internet access, I have just enough do-it-yourself knowledge to make me dangerous... ;) I, too, embarked on a toilet fixer-uper...basically, the toilet was rocking so I figured, How hard can it be to fix? BTW, you can replace the fix in that last sentence with just about anything else I've tried: lay tile? install laminate flooring? replace ceiling fixtures? install electric wall sconces? put in new sinks? :) Anyway, a simple fixer-uper with the toilet turned into having to replace the entire gasket which turned into having to buy a hammer drill and cement to afix the gasket because we have cement sub-flooring! It took a whole d*mn weekend, but I fixed the rock, darn it! :) As for the sub-flooring for the tile, we didn't have to do anything to ours as it was already pretty level...I know you can buy some kind of cement to spread over low spots...and you can also buy sheets of some kind of sub-flooring if the floor is really bad, but I'm not sure how to install those! The video, I think, covers most of that! Our kitchen and bathrooms had that vinyl sheet flooring (very, very old judging by the pattern). :) The video actually recommended just tiling over any old vinyl flooring as the glue underneath could have asbestos. So we just pulled up the shiny part and tiled right over the old glue! But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, April 3, 2006 11:01 am Subject: Jen: OT: New journey-laying tile!!! To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org P.S. I think I will go pick up that video today so that my husband can watch it. Thank you for offering to send it-that is very sweet! You should have seen my husband when I tried to convince him we could fix a leaky toilet when we first married two years ago. He had never done any handy work before, and what should have been a simple job involved having to go buy the tool to open the water hole to turn off the water to the whole house outside and then fixing several leaks. lol. He just wanted to call the plumber, but I'm cheap and if I can do it myself, I will. We ended up fixing it, but it really was a pain in the butt and not the first handy job I would have picked to warm my husband up to fixing things around the house. LOL. :) Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
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You were right to think that Jen. Thank the good Lord that I mentioned I would be sealing the concrete floors before laying concrete to the Home Depot guy today. He nearly had a conniption fit. He said that the porosity of the concrete is how the tile glue adheres to the concrete. Take away the porosity, and the tiles won't stick! So I am s glad I got that tidbit of info. So now I have to find another way to get that nasty smell out of the porous concrete. I guess I will try everything for the next week or so, including bleach, enzymes, vinegar, whatever... lol. Actually, I don't think bleach works. Another thing-we're not looking forward to moving our 55 gal. aquarium. That will be a job! 1 gallon of water equals about ten pounds, so needless to say, we'll be emptying some water out. lol. :) Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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they make that stuff called 'kilz' that is supposed to seal in any smell. but i don't know if you could put vinyl on top of it since it's a sealer.here they laid down the concrete backerboard stuff. they had pulled up carpet and it was plain plywood underneath.twendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You were right to think that Jen. Thank the good Lordthat I mentioned I would be sealing the concretefloors before laying concrete to the Home Depot guytoday. He nearly had a conniption fit. He said thatthe porosity of the concrete is how the tile glueadheres to the concrete. Take away the porosity, andthe tiles won't stick! So I am s glad I got thattidbit of info. So now I have to find another way toget that nasty smell out of the porous concrete. Iguess I will try everything for the next week or so,including bleach, enzymes, vinegar, whatever... lol. Actually, I don't think bleach works. Anotherthing-we're not looking forward to moving our 55 gal.aquarium. That will be a job! 1 gallon of waterequals about ten pounds, so needless to say, we'll beemptying some water out. lol. :)Wendy__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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I haven't made it thru all the emails re tile but two thoughts that may have come up: Chose the color of the grout wisely. White and really dark colors show every pit of anything, including cat hair. And the white stains horribly. Get extra tile to keep in case you break some in the future dropping stuff. Like cans of cat food. It will chip. It takes just the right blow but Make sure and seal and reseal the stuff. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 11:19 AM Subject: Re: Jen: OT: New journey-laying tile!!! Hee, hee! I know what you mean about doing it yourself! With internet access, I have just enough do-it-yourself knowledge to make me dangerous... ;) I, too, embarked on a toilet fixer-uper...basically, the toilet was rocking so I figured, How hard can it be to fix? BTW, you can replace the fix in that last sentence with just about anything else I've tried: lay tile? install laminate flooring? replace ceiling fixtures? install electric wall sconces? put in new sinks? :) Anyway, a simple fixer-uper with the toilet turned into having to replace the entire gasket which turned into having to buy a hammer drill and cement to afix the gasket because we have cement sub-flooring! It took a whole d*mn weekend, but I fixed the rock, darn it! :) As for the sub-flooring for the tile, we didn't have to do anything to ours as it was already pretty level...I know you can buy some kind of cement to spread over low spots...and you can also buy sheets of some kind of sub-flooring if the floor is really bad, but I'm not sure how to install those! The video, I think, covers most of that! Our kitchen and bathrooms had that vinyl sheet flooring (very, very old judging by the pattern). :) The video actually recommended just tiling over any old vinyl flooring as the glue underneath could have asbestos. So we just pulled up the shiny part and tiled right over the old glue! But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, April 3, 2006 11:01 am Subject: Jen: OT: New journey-laying tile!!! To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org P.S. I think I will go pick up that video today so that my husband can watch it. Thank you for offering to send it-that is very sweet! You should have seen my husband when I tried to convince him we could fix a leaky toilet when we first married two years ago. He had never done any handy work before, and what should have been a simple job involved having to go buy the tool to open the water hole to turn off the water to the whole house outside and then fixing several leaks. lol. He just wanted to call the plumber, but I'm cheap and if I can do it myself, I will. We ended up fixing it, but it really was a pain in the butt and not the first handy job I would have picked to warm my husband up to fixing things around the house. LOL. :) Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Re the odor in the concrete: If you can find OdoBan (Sam's Club is my only source but I am sure it is available elsewhere) use it (maybe extra strength) Really soak the concrete with it. Much better than bleach and without the awful smell. I've used it on odors that were worse that cat spray (yes there are such things) including a dog who got into it with a skunk. It works and has a flowered smell. It is some combination of natural odor eaters. It is great. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 12:11 PM Subject: Re: Jen: OT: New journey-laying tile!!! You were right to think that Jen. Thank the good Lord that I mentioned I would be sealing the concrete floors before laying concrete to the Home Depot guy today. He nearly had a conniption fit. He said that the porosity of the concrete is how the tile glue adheres to the concrete. Take away the porosity, and the tiles won't stick! So I am s glad I got that tidbit of info. So now I have to find another way to get that nasty smell out of the porous concrete. I guess I will try everything for the next week or so, including bleach, enzymes, vinegar, whatever... lol. Actually, I don't think bleach works. Another thing-we're not looking forward to moving our 55 gal. aquarium. That will be a job! 1 gallon of water equals about ten pounds, so needless to say, we'll be emptying some water out. lol. :) Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: TESTING--Jen--water garden!
Heehee! The little pond actually started out as just a fountain with a couple of fake flowers...I was getting tired of cleaning it out every week because of the algae growth (and couldn't use an algae killer because a couple of the neighborhood cats like to use the fountain as their own personal watering hole... ;) )! Anyhoo, I was at Home Depot and discovered they had live water lilies for sale! Well, that jump-started my curiosity as to what else I could put in the little pond! I found a great website: http://familyfun.go.com/parenting/learn/activities/feature/famf010302_summer/famf010302_fishpond.html It explained how to build your own little inexpensive, self-sustained water garden! I'm surprised by how obsessed I've become with it! ;) It really is a treat...fortunately, our front window sits close to the ground, so I put the pond just in front of it for all to see! So whenever I'm working on my computer (which is right next to the window) and start getting stressed, I can just look over at the little goldfish and space out for a moment! :) But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 10:12 am Subject: Re: TESTING--Jen To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hey Jen, Very cool about adopting Lucy. I bet Oscar was probably as happy about it as Lucy was! I think petfinder.com is awesome. I am checking it every day for the little kitten that I want to adopt. I guess if it's meant to be, it will be. Your water garden sounds really neat. Where did you get the idea for it? :) Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Re: Jen-- How is Ewok?
Thanks, Michelle! Yep, Ewok is on daily pred...I actually took him to the oncologist this morning (his next appointment wasn't until next week) because he wasn't feeling well and (I believe) vomited last night... :( The tumor in his belly is crazy aggressive...the oncologist gave him a round of elspar as he responded well to that one before X-mas...but now that I think about it (as he wants to see Ewok in 2 weeks), the only reason Ewok was able to go two weeks between visits was because I gave him a dex shot when he started feeling bad about a week after the elspar shot...good thing I didn't cancel his appointment for next week! ;) So I asked the oncologist what I should expect as it would seem (to me, anyway) that the abdominal tumor will eventually win out as Ewok can barely make it a week between treatments. He surprised me by saying he isn't any more pessimistic than he was a few months ago (although I would have felt better if he had said less optimistic... ;) )...The oncologist still has a few tricks up his sleeve, so as long as Ewok is game, I'll continue to tote his skinny little butt back and forth between appointments. Ewok is just so cute, he's so used to the car by now...he sits shot-gun and watches the tree-tops go by...man, I'm going to miss this little boy!! :( Warm thoughts to Lucy and Patches!! Good luck with the raw! Several of my guys really enjoy it and I do think it's better for them...I always try to repay the favor that the chicken or turkey did for my guys by rescuing any critters (except for palmetto bugs...can't bring myself to rescue them just yet) that the cats may corner (mostly lizards and snakes)...Maggie got her paws on a lizard last week and I had to remind her that the turkey she just ate gave its life so that that little lizard could lead a long, fruitful life! :) Take care, Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, January 5, 2006 12:25 pm Subject: Re: Jen-- How is Ewok? Jen, SO glad to hear Ewok is still doing well!! Simon responded very well to the CCNU also. After that he got Adriamycin, which he did not respond well to, and I wished I had asked the oncologist to give him more CCNU instead. I think the oncologist was afraid that without switching the drugs each time he would become resistant. But I think they take longer to become resistant to CCNU. As for the steroids, is he still getting pred pills? The Depo shot is instead of the pred pills, or should be I think. The oncologist should know when the right time is to give another Depo shot if Ewok keeps looking good and does not seem to need it badly. Patches is feeling better from antibiotics and prednisone and is scheduled to have her two canines and possibly (but hopefully not) other teeth pulled next Wednesday morning. So please say a prayer or thought or whatever strikes you best for her! Lucy is tapering off the pred herself and seems to be doing ok-- fairly solid stool, though still not entirely normal. As for feeding raw meat, I am actually about to start feeding mine, or at least Lucy and maybe Patches, a raw diet. It is recommended for cats with chronic loose stools, on the feline IBD list serve. I ordered a supplement mix to put in with ground raw meat and organs. Being a vegan this is all very difficult for me (I had a nightmare last night that I had to have Lucy killed to be fed to an animal who needed to eat her to be healthy, which I think is my guild and discomfort at buying a dead turkey to help Lucy). But I think raw is ok, and maybe better, for them. The liver shake uses raw liver in it, and most people on this list feed that to cats when they are sick. All that said, I am totally nervous about starting the raw diet because I have read in some places that it is not good for immune-compromised cats. But I figure neither is inflamed intestines or struvite crystals, which raw is supposed to fix in many cats. Thanks for the update, and may he keep going strong! Michelle In a message dated 1/5/2006 1:17:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Michelle! So far, so good...the CCNU seems to be working! His appetite is up (although he's still not eating as much as I'd like to see him eat...he's put on a little weight, but he's still probably only around 9 lbs--he weighed
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Oh, dear! How did you hurt your back, Nina? These days I'm injuring myself just getting out of bed in the morning...Take care of yourself and thanks for the email! Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, January 5, 2006 7:58 pm Subject: Jen and Michelle Hello Ladies, I'm so pleased to hear how well Ewok, Lucy and Patches are doing! I've pulled my darn back so I'm not able to keep up with emails, just wanted you to know how thrilled I am to hear your guys are doing well. Michelle, besides your concerns about the poor turkey, I wouldn't worry too much about feeding raw. I'm sure you are going to be purchasing the best quality, freshest meats you can find and will be careful of how they are stored and served. There shouldn't be any worries about contamination under those circumstances. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jen, SO glad to hear Ewok is still doing well!! Simon responded very well to the CCNU also. After that he got Adriamycin, which he did not respond well to, and I wished I had asked the oncologist to give him more CCNU instead. I think the oncologist was afraid that without switching the drugs each time he would become resistant. But I think they take longer to become resistant to CCNU. As for the steroids, is he still getting pred pills? The Depo shot is instead of the pred pills, or should be I think. The oncologist should know when the right time is to give another Depo shot if Ewok keeps looking good and does not seem to need it badly. Patches is feeling better from antibiotics and prednisone and is scheduled to have her two canines and possibly (but hopefully not) other teeth pulled next Wednesday morning. So please say a prayer or thought or whatever strikes you best for her! Lucy is tapering off the pred herself and seems to be doing ok-- fairly solid stool, though still not entirely normal. As for feeding raw meat, I am actually about to start feeding mine, or at least Lucy and maybe Patches, a raw diet. It is recommended for cats with chronic loose stools, on the feline IBD list serve. I ordered a supplement mix to put in with ground raw meat and organs. Being a vegan this is all very difficult for me (I had a nightmare last night that I had to have Lucy killed to be fed to an animal who needed to eat her to be healthy, which I think is my guild and discomfort at buying a dead turkey to help Lucy). But I think raw is ok, and maybe better, for them. The liver shake uses raw liver in it, and most people on this list feed that to cats when they are sick. All that said, I am totally nervous about starting the raw diet because I have read in some places that it is not good for immune-compromised cats. But I figure neither is inflamed intestines or struvite crystals, which raw is supposed to fix in many cats. Thanks for the update, and may he keep going strong! Michelle In a message dated 1/5/2006 1:17:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Michelle! So far, so good...the CCNU seems to be working! His appetite is up (although he's still not eating as much as I'd like to see him eat...he's put on a little weight, but he's still probably only around 9 lbs--he weighed around 14 before this all started) and his energy level or old-self-self is back...he even felt good enough to wrestle a little with his buddy (Hermes--who has been waiting patiently for Ewok to feel up to playing) yesterday for the first time in about a month! I'm still watching him like a hawk as the oncologist won't be able to give him another treatment until next Friday. Ewok didn't eat much this morning (although he eagerly scarfed down some raw turkey--I know raw is probably a no-no, but I'm just thrilled to see him eat anything on his own). He's out and about, though...not hiding in the closet like he usually does when he's not feeling well. I haven't used dex or the combo shot since Christmas...but I know my regular vet is just around the corner in case I need anything...I'm hoping the steroid shots will be an option if Ewok starts feeling bad again before his oncologist's appointment! Fingers
Re: Jen-- How is Ewok?
Jen, You might want to stop the pred and give dex/depo shots instead. The depo is instead of pred, and is stronger and longer lasting. The fact that Ewok went two weeks or so without needing another depo shot says to me that he is not near the end yet. I would strongly suggest, if he is still not well tomorrow, taking him to the local vet and getting another dex/depo shot (or if all you got before was a dex shot, to ask for a combo dex/depo shot). Two weeks is not too soon for that when they have cancer. If you do these shots instead of pred, he will eventually need them every few days in order to keep feeling good, and that means it is getting closer to the end. But two weeks is not that short a time to need another one, in terms of lymphoma. So I would do it. Here's hoping Ewok feels better soon, Michelle
Re: Jen-- How is Ewok?
Hi Michelle! So far, so good...the CCNU seems to be working! His appetite is up (although he's still not eating as much as I'd like to see him eat...he's put on a little weight, but he's still probably only around 9 lbs--he weighed around 14 before this all started) and his energy level or old-self-self is back...he even felt good enough to wrestle a little with his buddy (Hermes--who has been waiting patiently for Ewok to feel up to playing) yesterday for the first time in about a month! I'm still watching him like a hawk as the oncologist won't be able to give him another treatment until next Friday. Ewok didn't eat much this morning (although he eagerly scarfed down some raw turkey--I know raw is probably a no-no, but I'm just thrilled to see him eat anything on his own). He's out and about, though...not hiding in the closet like he usually does when he's not feeling well. I haven't used dex or the combo shot since Christmas...but I know my regular vet is just around the corner in case I need anything...I'm hoping the steroid shots will be an option if Ewok starts feeling bad again before his oncologist's appointment! Fingers crossed that he remains happy and active for awhile! :) How are Patches and Lucy? Sorry, I'm still trying to catch up! :) Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, January 5, 2006 11:13 am Subject: Jen-- How is Ewok? Hi, Jen. I have been reading your posts to others and wondering how Ewok is doing. Has he reacted, good or bad, to the CCNU? Has he needed additional dex shots? I don't remember when you did the combo shot, but he could possibly need another depo shot as well at some point I am hoping that no news means good news! Michelle
Re: Jen-- How is Ewok?
Jen, SO glad to hear Ewok is still doing well!! Simon responded very well to the CCNU also. After that he got Adriamycin, which he did not respond well to, and I wished I had asked the oncologist to give him more CCNU instead. I think the oncologist was afraid that without switching the drugs each time he would become resistant. But I think they take longer to become resistant to CCNU. As for the steroids, is he still getting pred pills? The Depo shot is instead of the pred pills, or should be I think. The oncologist should know when the right time is to give another Depo shot if Ewok keeps looking good and does not seem to need it badly. Patches is feeling better from antibiotics and prednisone and is scheduled to have her two canines and possibly (but hopefully not) other teeth pulled next Wednesday morning. So please say a prayer or thought or whatever strikes you best for her! Lucy is tapering off the pred herself and seems to be doing ok-- fairly solid stool, though still not entirely normal. As for feeding raw meat, I am actually about to start feeding mine, or at least Lucy and maybe Patches, a raw diet. It is recommended for cats with chronic loose stools, on the feline IBD list serve. I ordered a supplement mix to put in with ground raw meat and organs. Being a vegan this is all very difficult for me (I had a nightmare last night that I had to have Lucy killed to be fed to an animal who needed to eat her to be healthy, which I think is my guild and discomfort at buying a dead turkey to help Lucy). But I think raw is ok, and maybe better, for them. The liver shake uses raw liver in it, and most people on this list feed that to cats when they are sick. All that said, I am totally nervous about starting the raw diet because I have read in some places that it is not good for immune-compromised cats. But I figure neither is inflamed intestines or struvite crystals, which raw is supposed to fix in many cats. Thanks for the update, and may he keep going strong! Michelle In a message dated 1/5/2006 1:17:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Michelle!So far, so good...the CCNU seems to be working! His appetite is up(although he's still not eating as much as I'd like to see himeat...he's put on a little weight, but he's still probably only around 9lbs--he weighed around 14 before this all started) and his energy levelor "old-self-self" is back...he even felt good enough to wrestle alittle with his buddy (Hermes--who has been waiting patiently for Ewokto feel up to playing) yesterday for the first time in about a month! I'm still watching him like a hawk as the oncologist won't be able togive him another treatment until next Friday. Ewok didn't eat much thismorning (although he eagerly scarfed down some raw turkey--I know raw isprobably a no-no, but I'm just thrilled to see him eat anything on hisown). He's out and about, though...not hiding in the closet like heusually does when he's not feeling well.I haven't used dex or the combo shot since Christmas...but I know myregular vet is just around the corner in case I need anything...I'mhoping the steroid shots will be an option if Ewok starts feeling badagain before his oncologist's appointment! Fingers crossed that heremains happy and active for awhile! :)How are Patches and Lucy? Sorry, I'm still trying to catch up! :)Jen
Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?
Jen, I am so happy that Ewok is doing so well from the shots! I wish you and Ewok a very Merry Christmas! :) (big grin while picturing Ewok running around exploring) Wendy --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Michelle! Thanks for the email! The last few days have been a whirlwind...I'm not sure when I updated last, but Ewok got a shot of Elspar last Friday and actually ate a few bites of food on his own later on that evening! The next day, I took him into our regular vet's with your email about the steriods in hand...she went ahead and gave him the shots in addition to more fluids...by the time we left about noon, she could tell he was already feeling a little better...and by that night he was eating a little on his own! The weekend went well, and by Sunday he was playing with the feather wand like his old self! So, Monday rolls around and we have a decision to make because we were supposed to leave a few days earlier to head home to Chicago for X- mas! I called the oncologist and updated him on Ewok's condition...he suggested we take him with us (we were driving) as he preferred that he be with us as opposed to our vet's office if he were to take a turn for the worse. I said, Great! and then called our regular vet to update her...we both agreed that taking another shot of dex with us wouldn't be a bad idea if something were to happen. Anyway, we made it to Chicago late last night with two dogs and Ewok in tow! He was such a good boy throughout the 24 hour drive! He's still doing great...eating on his own and acting like his old self! :) I'm just enjoying whatever time I've got left with him...I really love having him here with me...and, fortunately, he's an adventurous, social guy...so he's very curious about his new surroundings! Keep your fingers crossed that his remission lasts just a little bit longer! Michelle--thank you so much again for all of your advice! Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. -- Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 7:52 am Subject: Jen-- how is Ewok doing? I have been thinking about him. Symptoms any better? Did the vet try the steroid shots? Any talk of using CCNU? Did the last chemo shot (the one that starts with E, can't remember the name) do anything? I am hoping for the best, but worried that things are bad since you have not written. Please let us know how he is when you get a chance. We are all pulling for him, and for you. Love, Michelle __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?
Hi Michelle! Thanks for the email! The last few days have been a whirlwind...I'm not sure when I updated last, but Ewok got a shot of Elspar last Friday and actually ate a few bites of food on his own later on that evening! The next day, I took him into our regular vet's with your email about the steriods in hand...she went ahead and gave him the shots in addition to more fluids...by the time we left about noon, she could tell he was already feeling a little better...and by that night he was eating a little on his own! The weekend went well, and by Sunday he was playing with the feather wand like his old self! So, Monday rolls around and we have a decision to make because we were supposed to leave a few days earlier to head home to Chicago for X- mas! I called the oncologist and updated him on Ewok's condition...he suggested we take him with us (we were driving) as he preferred that he be with us as opposed to our vet's office if he were to take a turn for the worse. I said, Great! and then called our regular vet to update her...we both agreed that taking another shot of dex with us wouldn't be a bad idea if something were to happen. Anyway, we made it to Chicago late last night with two dogs and Ewok in tow! He was such a good boy throughout the 24 hour drive! He's still doing great...eating on his own and acting like his old self! :) I'm just enjoying whatever time I've got left with him...I really love having him here with me...and, fortunately, he's an adventurous, social guy...so he's very curious about his new surroundings! Keep your fingers crossed that his remission lasts just a little bit longer! Michelle--thank you so much again for all of your advice! Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. -- Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 7:52 am Subject: Jen-- how is Ewok doing? I have been thinking about him. Symptoms any better? Did the vet try the steroid shots? Any talk of using CCNU? Did the last chemo shot (the one that starts with E, can't remember the name) do anything? I am hoping for the best, but worried that things are bad since you have not written. Please let us know how he is when you get a chance. We are all pulling for him, and for you. Love, Michelle
Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?
Oh, Jen, I am so overjoyed to hear he is feeling better and that you have him with you there and he is having such a good time!! I was really worried that your not having emailed meant he was doing worse. It is so, so great that you have a vet who was willing to give you a dex shot to take with you. Most vets will not do that. My own vets would not give them to me, and I only was able to get them from a vet who is a friend of a friend, and that is the only reason I was able to give Simon the extra dex shots that helped pull him through that time-- the oncologist wanted me to drive him 45 minutes each way while he was feeling completely terrible to get any additional shots, and to wait two days to do it because it was a weekend, which I thought was ludicrous since they were sub-q and I have given many shots.The oncologist ended up being glad Simon got the extra dex shots and was not at all annoyed that the other vet gave then to me. Anyway, I am so glad to hear you have such a great vet!! So how long are you in Chicago for? I agree that it is best to take things day by day while he is feeling good. I would recommend, though, when you get back, that you discuss with the oncologist whether he thinks the chemo drugs that he has been using are still working at all or not, and if not ask about using CCNU instead for a round or two or more. If you google CCNU you should be able to find studies and information showing that about 50% of cats who become resistant to the other chemo drugs can go back into remission for a while with CCNU, sometimes for months at a time. At least, that is what I remember-- it was almost a year ago that I did the research. Anyway, thank you so much for updating us! I feel a little holiday cheer now for the first time in days! I hope you and Ewok continue to have a good holiday! Love, Michelle In a message dated 12/21/2005 1:37:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Michelle!Thanks for the email! The last few days have been a whirlwind...I'm not sure when I updated last, but Ewok got a shot of Elspar last Friday and actually ate a few bites of food on his own later on that evening! The next day, I took him into our regular vet's with your email about the steriods in hand...she went ahead and gave him the shots in addition to more fluids...by the time we left about noon, she could tell he was already feeling a little better...and by that night he was eating a little on his own! The weekend went well, and by Sunday he was playing with the feather wand like his old self! So, Monday rolls around and we have a decision to make because we were supposed to leave a few days earlier to head home to Chicago for X-mas! I called the oncologist and updated him on Ewok's condition...he suggested we take him with us (we were driving) as he preferred that he be with us as opposed to our vet's office if he were to take a turn for the worse. I said, "Great!" and then called our regular vet to update her...we both agreed that taking another shot of dex with us wouldn't be a bad idea if something were to happen.Anyway, we made it to Chicago late last night with two dogs and Ewok in tow! He was such a good boy throughout the 24 hour drive! He's still doing great...eating on his own and acting like his old self! :) I'm just enjoying whatever time I've got left with him...I really love having him here with me...and, fortunately, he's an adventurous, social guy...so he's very curious about his new surroundings!Keep your fingers crossed that his remission lasts just a little bit longer! Michelle--thank you so much again for all of your advice!Jen
Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?
Oh Jen, I'm so thrilled that Michelle and Simon were able to help you and Ewok! It's true that everything we do ripples out, we usually don't get to see it as clearly as you and Michelle have. Such a nice Christmas present, to be thinking of you and little Ewok enjoying your vacation together! Thanks for letting us know how you guys are doing. N [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL! He does have the personality of an orange tabby, doesn't he! :) I've got two orange (girl!) cats who are just little firecrackers! Ewok is a black-and-white guy, very handsome, if I do say so myself... ;) I had a kind of epiphany the other day when I had taken your info to my regular vet...she thanked me for the info and told me that she's learned alot through me (I, of course, had to defer to this list and the wonderful, collective knowledge here!)...Anyhoo, it occurred to me later that perhaps future cats (and dogs) may be helped because of Ewok's situation and, in a way, he'll go on (even in memory) as a result much like Simon has very much lived on through his experience and the way it's helped others like Ewok! I don't know if that makes any sense...but I just sensed a real beauty in the way our cats' lives are interconnected even though they're miles apart! And I didn't realize how difficult dex can be to obtain on good faith! That info makes me all the more grateful for my vet! I'll have to be sure to thank her, again, for all she's done for me and my boy...speaking of the devil, :) Ewok just emerged from his jaunt around the house...he wants to know everything about everything and it kinda brings a tear to my eye that we've got this time together thanks to you and Simon! I will definitely bring up CCNU (sp?) the next time I talk to my oncologist...but, for now, I'm just taking it one day at a time! :)
Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?
One thing I always question myself about is whether it was worth letting Simon go through the very rough days he went through at times during those two months in order to have the good days he had during that period. While he was alive it definitely seemed worth it, but since then I have questioned it at times-- I was talking to my mom today about Simon and she asked me if it was worth putting him through the 5 day hospitalization and the transfusions and the chemo for the time he had, and I was not sure. But reading about Ewok, I have no doubt that even though he has felt sick and been at the vet recently, the fun he is having now is worth it, and Simon had similar fun in his last weeks. So reading about Ewok has helped me some in that way. Chemo, when it works, can help for longer than the steroid shots. But the steroid shots make them feel so good so quickly and do not make them feel bad at all, that they are a gentler way to fight the cancer and give them quality of life, in a way. When I wonder if I put Simon through too much, it is the hospitalization and transfusions and chemo I wonder about, never the steroids. But of course without the former he would not have survived long enough to get the steroids and have all that fun in his last weeks. So I don't know. It is all so painful after they are gone, whatever we do. Love Ewok as much as you possibly can now, while he is running around being silly. Michelle In a message dated 12/21/2005 4:01:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And I didn't realize how difficult dex can be to obtain on good faith! That info makes me all the more grateful for my vet! I'll have to be sure to thank her, again, for all she's done for me and my boy...speaking of the devil, :) Ewok just emerged from his jaunt around the house...he wants to know everything about everything and it kinda brings a tear to my eye that we've got this time together thanks to you and Simon! I will definitely bring up CCNU (sp?) the next time I talk to my oncologist...but, for now, I'm just taking it one day at a time! :)
Jen-- how is Ewok doing?
I have been thinking about him. Symptoms any better?Did the vet try the steroid shots? Any talk of using CCNU? Did the last chemo shot (the one that starts with E, can't remember the name) do anything? I am hoping for the best, but worried that things are bad since you have not written. Please let us know how he is when you get a chance. We are all pulling for him, and for you. Love, Michelle
Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?--Patti
Thanks, Patti! I hope so too! But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, December 16, 2005 11:23 pm Subject: Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?--Another tumor Jen~ My thoughts and prayers are with you and Ewok. I was so saddened to hear the news regarding the tumor. I pray little Ewok will get some relief with new treatments pursued...Big hugs to both of you! Love, Patti
Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?--Update
Hi Michelle (and All)! Well, Ewok is at the vet's right now...Michelle, our vet is going to try the steroid protocol that you suggested. There was a small glimmer of hope last night...Ewok at a couple of tablespoons of baby food on his own (and kept it down)! Unfortunately, he didn't want anything this morning...so it's hard, for me, to tell what's going on...but my vet seems to think the elspar helped. Fingers crossed that my boy will start feeling better soon... But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, December 16, 2005 5:26 pm Subject: Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?--Another tumor You can do it either way. I would do it in one shot just to stick him less, but other than that i do not think it matters. Michelle In a message dated 12/16/2005 6:25:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Are the two administered separately (separate injections)? Or are they combined and then injected in one shot?
Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?
I am glad you are holding off on the chemo for now, but so sorry he is having this reaction. Does the vet think it is from the Adriamycin? Michelle In a message dated 12/16/2005 5:33:51 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Michelle!Yes, Ewok was supposed to get another round of chemo this weekend (Cytoxen), but when I asked my vet about it, her eyes got really big and she shook her head vigorously, "NO." :) And he still on the Reglan (it's part of his daily i.v. drip)...but as for keeping his food down, we took a step backwards tonight...I'm hoping it was just the result of another drug my vet prescribed (sucralfate?), so I'm up at this ungodly hour after the poor guy, again, with a syringe! So far, so good...about 10 ccs of watered down A/D (that seems to be the one I've had the most luck with) over the course of about a 1/2 hour and no vomit! Gosh, it amazes me sometimes the things I'm profoundly thankful for... ;)Anyhoo, we'll be back at the vet's again in about 4 hours...he's still in good spirits for the little nurishment he's gotten over the past week...At this point, I'm starting to hope for a miracle... :(Take care and positive vibes out to poor Lucy!!Jen
Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?
Hi Michelle! Our vet is *fairly* confident it's a reaction to the chemo (I think it started with the adriamycin...then the nail-in-the-coffin, so-to- speak, was the vincristine). Fortunately, Ewok's oncologist is in town today, so my vet will be getting ahold of him to get any suggestions. Ewok is still hanging in there, but we're a little concerned that his temp this morning was just over 102! Update: The vet just called...she's concerned that his white blood cell count is rising...I'm going to go ahead and take him to the oncologist's office at 10:30. I'm just sick to my stomach, right now...Ewok has been able to keep the FeLV in check through all this so far, I feel like I'm tempting fate with the additional stress! Please keep my boy in your thoughts and prayers! Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. -- Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, December 16, 2005 8:46 am Subject: Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing? I am glad you are holding off on the chemo for now, but so sorry he is having this reaction. Does the vet think it is from the Adriamycin? Michelle In a message dated 12/16/2005 5:33:51 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Michelle! Yes, Ewok was supposed to get another round of chemo this weekend (Cytoxen), but when I asked my vet about it, her eyes got really big and she shook her head vigorously, NO. :) And he still on the Reglan (it's part of his daily i.v. drip)...but as for keeping his food down, we took a step backwards tonight...I'm hoping it was just the result of another drug my vet prescribed (sucralfate?), so I'm up at this ungodly hour after the poor guy, again, with a syringe! So far, so good...about 10 ccs of watered down A/D (that seems to be the one I've had the most luck with) over the course of about a 1/2 hour and no vomit! Gosh, it amazes me sometimes the things I'm profoundly thankful for... ;) Anyhoo, we'll be back at the vet's again in about 4 hours...he's still in good spirits for the little nurishment he's gotten over the past week...At this point, I'm starting to hope for a miracle... :( Take care and positive vibes out to poor Lucy!! Jen
Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?
Jen, I'm praying for him. I don't really understand about the white blood cell count-- if anything, chemo usually makes that go down. It seems like he has an infection now? I am really sorry if you did chemo partially because I recommended it and he is having this reaction. I was glad when you said you were doing it and he seemed to be responding so well, but now I feel terrible about recommending it. I never heard of a cat reacting this way to it. Please let us know what happens at the oncologist's. Michelle In a message dated 12/16/2005 10:10:36 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Michelle!Our vet is *fairly* confident it's a reaction to the chemo (I think it started with the adriamycin...then the "nail-in-the-coffin," so-to-speak, was the vincristine). Fortunately, Ewok's oncologist is in town today, so my vet will be getting ahold of him to get any suggestions. Ewok is still hanging in there, but we're a little concerned that his temp this morning was just over 102!Update: The vet just called...she's concerned that his white blood cell count is rising...I'm going to go ahead and take him to the oncologist's office at 10:30. I'm just sick to my stomach, right now...Ewok has been able to keep the FeLV in check through all this so far, I feel like I'm tempting fate with the additional stress!Please keep my boy in your thoughts and prayers!Jen
Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?
In a message dated 12/16/2005 10:10:36 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ewok has been able to keep the FeLV in check through all this so far, I feel like I'm tempting fate with the additional stress! I totally understand that. But the lymphoma is from his FeLV, so it actually has not been in check. When I am worried about triggering the FeLV virus in my cats, what I am most afraid of is triggering the formation of lymphoma. Maybe you should ask the vet about using Immuno-Regulin to try to control the fever and whatever is causing it? It helped with Ginger and Patches, though Ginger also had a reaction to it that cause her fever to spike to 106 for a half hour or so right after the shot, which was very scary. Michelle
Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?
Oh, Michelle, No! Please don't feel guilty, you have no reason to!! At the very least, the chemo has given me 3 more wonderful months with my boy! If I had it to do all over again, I would make the same decision! I just wish I could understand what's going on...you have echoed the sentiments of my vet who is just at a loss as to why he's having such a severe reaction...perhaps the oncologist will be able to figure it out! Could the high white cell count indicate that the cancer is spreading? I will let you know what happens when I get back! All the best, Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. -- Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, December 16, 2005 9:14 am Subject: Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing? Jen, I'm praying for him. I don't really understand about the white blood cell count-- if anything, chemo usually makes that go down. It seems like he has an infection now? I am really sorry if you did chemo partially because I recommended it and he is having this reaction. I was glad when you said you were doing it and he seemed to be responding so well, but now I feel terrible about recommending it. I never heard of a cat reacting this way to it. Please let us know what happens at the oncologist's. Michelle In a message dated 12/16/2005 10:10:36 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Michelle! Our vet is *fairly* confident it's a reaction to the chemo (I think it started with the adriamycin...then the nail-in-the-coffin, so- to- speak, was the vincristine). Fortunately, Ewok's oncologist is in town today, so my vet will be getting ahold of him to get any suggestions. Ewok is still hanging in there, but we're a little concerned that his temp this morning was just over 102! Update: The vet just called...she's concerned that his white blood cell count is rising...I'm going to go ahead and take him to the oncologist's office at 10:30. I'm just sick to my stomach, right now...Ewok has been able to keep the FeLV in check through all this so far, I feel like I'm tempting fate with the additional stress! Please keep my boy in your thoughts and prayers! Jen
Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?
You're right...I guess I think of non-regenetive anemia when I think about activating the virus! Anyhoo, Ewok is still at the oncologist's (I'm at home)...the oncologist thinks it could be one of two things: either a reaction to the chemo (in which case, we keep supporting him), or, at worst, a tumor has formed in his belly. Ewok is getting an ultra-sound right now, so we should know soon what we're dealing with. Personally, I'm fearing the latter...I guess it would make the most sense given what he's been going through this past week. I'm still hoping that there is, well, hope...but I'm trying to prepare myself at the same time. Please keep Ewok in your thoughts! Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, December 16, 2005 9:16 am Subject: Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing? In a message dated 12/16/2005 10:10:36 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ewok has been able to keep the FeLV in check through all this so far, I feel like I'm tempting fate with the additional stress! I totally understand that. But the lymphoma is from his FeLV, so it actually has not been in check. When I am worried about triggering the FeLV virus in my cats, what I am most afraid of is triggering the formation of lymphoma. Maybe you should ask the vet about using Immuno-Regulin to try to control the fever and whatever is causing it? It helped with Ginger and Patches, though Ginger also had a reaction to it that cause her fever to spike to 106 for a half hour or so right after the shot, which was very scary. Michelle
Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?
Hey Jen, I will keep Ewok in my prayers. I hope that he starts turning around soon. You are right. Michelle has no reason to feel badly for suggesting chemo for Ewok. She is a wonderful source of information, and a light to all of us and our kitties. Please keep us posted on Ewok. :) Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?--Wendy
Thanks, Wendy...I appreciate that! I'm hoping, too, that he can make a turn-around...but I still have an awful feeling that it's a tumor that's causing the problems. I guess I'll have to wait and see what the oncologist suggests, but we didn't have much luck with Ewok's brother's (Pips') intestinal lymphoma, so it's hard to be optimistic... :( And you're absolutely right about Michelle...I don't know what I'd do without her and her little fur-angel Simon! I'll keep you updated! Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, December 16, 2005 11:38 am Subject: Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing? Hey Jen, I will keep Ewok in my prayers. I hope that he starts turning around soon. You are right. Michelle has no reason to feel badly for suggesting chemo for Ewok. She is a wonderful source of information, and a light to all of us and our kitties. Please keep us posted on Ewok. :) Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?
Jen, If it is another tumor, ask for the combo dex/depo shot to see if it will help. Combined with chemo, it helped Simon for an extra month and made him feel really good. It also suppresses nausea and increases appetite, besides shrinking the tumor temporarily. Michelle In a message dated 12/16/2005 12:39:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You're right...I guess I think of non-regenetive anemia when I thinkabout activating the virus!Anyhoo, Ewok is still at the oncologist's (I'm at home)...the oncologistthinks it could be one of two things: either a reaction to the chemo(in which case, we keep supporting him), or, at worst, a tumor hasformed in his belly. Ewok is getting an ultra-sound right now, so weshould know soon what we're dealing with. Personally, I'm fearing thelatter...I guess it would make the most sense given what he's been goingthrough this past week. I'm still hoping that there is, well,hope...but I'm trying to prepare myself at the same time.Please keep Ewok in your thoughts!Jen
Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?--Another tumor
I'm sorry, Jen! That's horrible. Josephine did get tumors in her intestines secondary to tumors on her kidneys, and she lived a couple months with them just getting those shots, without even any chemo. The dex would visibly shrink the tumor within just a few hours. The day that the shot did not do that or make her start eating, I knew it was the end, and she went into respiratory distress a few hours later. You can also ask the oncologist about CCNU. It is a chemo drug that they use when cats come out of remission from the other chemo agents. It is synthetic, so cats get resistant to it more slowly. When the dex/depo shot got Simon to the point he could get more chemo, he got CCNU. That and the shots are what made him feel so great for the month. A few weeks after getting the CCNU, when his blood work showed him near remission again, he got Adriamycin for the first time, and a week later had a sudden auto-immune reaction and killed all his red blood cells and died. I do not know if it was a reaction to the cancer or to the Adriamycin. But I do know that the dex/depo shots and the CCNU worked wonders on the cancer together, and I wished afterwards that the oncologist had given him CCNU again rather than Adriamycin (though he insisted the auto-immune response was to the cancer and would have happened anyway). I read that about 50% of cats who have come out of remission go back into remission from CCNU, I think. I also do not think it is as harsh on the system as Adriamycin. I think that Belinda's Buddie, who had intestinal lymphoma I think (not sure), did well on CCNU also. But I think she had the small cell slow-growing kind of lymphoma, which is different than what Ewok has. Jen, I think there is little hope that Ewok is going to be cured of this. But I do think there is hope that might be able to feel well for another few weeks or months, and that there is some chance that with stronger steroids and something like CCNU he could go into remission, and a smaller chance that the remission could last a year or more as has happened in some cases. I would not expect this to happen, because I do not think it is the norm with positive cats, but I do not think you are expecting it. But I would certainly hope and pray for it at this point (and I am hoping and praying for it), because it could and has happened. Michelle In a message dated 12/16/2005 3:15:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Damn! I should have checked my email before I left...thanks for that,Michelle...I'm going to keep that one in mind! Ewok and I just got backfrom the oncologist's and it's as we all pretty much expected: a mass inhis intestines (a lymph node I believe, but I'm so tired I can't thinkstraight right now...). So he was actually given a round of elspar tosee if the tumor responds...I guess we'll know in the next 24-48 hours.Please continue to send out those healing vibes!Jen
Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?--Another tumor
Hi Michelle! Thanks, again, for all of your sage advice and encouragment! My regular vet is going to call me back, I will ask her about the stronger steroids...what are their full names and how were they administered and how often? But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, December 16, 2005 2:36 pm Subject: Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?--Another tumor I'm sorry, Jen! That's horrible. Josephine did get tumors in her intestines secondary to tumors on her kidneys, and she lived a couple months with them just getting those shots, without even any chemo. The dex would visibly shrink the tumor within just a few hours. The day that the shot did not do that or make her start eating, I knew it was the end, and she went into respiratory distress a few hours later. You can also ask the oncologist about CCNU. It is a chemo drug that they use when cats come out of remission from the other chemo agents. It is synthetic, so cats get resistant to it more slowly. When the dex/depo shot got Simon to the point he could get more chemo, he got CCNU. That and the shots are what made him feel so great for the month. A few weeks after getting the CCNU, when his blood work showed him near remission again, he got Adriamycin for the first time, and a week later had a sudden auto-immune reaction and killed all his red blood cells and died. I do not know if it was a reaction to the cancer or to the Adriamycin. But I do know that the dex/depo shots and the CCNU worked wonders on the cancer together, and I wished afterwards that the oncologist had given him CCNU again rather than Adriamycin (though he insisted the auto-immune response was to the cancer and would have happened anyway). I read that about 50% of cats who have come out of remission go back into remission from CCNU, I think. I also do not think it is as harsh on the system as Adriamycin. I think that Belinda's Buddie, who had intestinal lymphoma I think (not sure), did well on CCNU also. But I think she had the small cell slow-growing kind of lymphoma, which is different than what Ewok has. Jen, I think there is little hope that Ewok is going to be cured of this. But I do think there is hope that might be able to feel well for another few weeks or months, and that there is some chance that with stronger steroids and something like CCNU he could go into remission, and a smaller chance that the remission could last a year or more as has happened in some cases. I would not expect this to happen, because I do not think it is the norm with positive cats, but I do not think you are expecting it. But I would certainly hope and pray for it at this point (and I am hoping and praying for it), because it could and has happened. Michelle In a message dated 12/16/2005 3:15:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Damn! I should have checked my email before I left...thanks for that,Michelle...I'm going to keep that one in mind! Ewok and I just got back from the oncologist's and it's as we all pretty much expected: a mass in his intestines (a lymph node I believe, but I'm so tired I can't thinkstraight right now...). So he was actually given a round of elspar to see if the tumor responds...I guess we'll know in the next 24-48 hours.Please continue to send out those healing vibes! Jen
Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?--Another tumor
1/2 cc Dexamethasone and 1/2 cc depomedrol. Though the norm, when giving Depomedrol, is to give a whole cc at one time, and I have done that as well because some vets insist that is the right amount if you give depo at all. But the vet who taught me about doing the combo shots uses 1/2 cc of each. If it works, you wait to give the next one until the symptoms come back. It can be anywhere from weeks to days to somewhere in between. If the shot does nothing for him, he probably is in bad shape. When Simon was really bad, the oncologist gave him a dex shot and a depo shot. I do not remember if he did 1/2 cc of each or 1 cc of each. Simon did not get better that day, and I had 2 dex shots at home (from the vet who had taught me about them with my other two), and with the oncologist's knowledge I gave him a dex shot (1 cc, think, but it might have been 1/2 cc) the following day and, I think, the day after. When he did not respond, I thought it was all over. But two days later he sat up and asked for food and water and by the next day was running around. What I think happened was that, for Simon, the cancer was in his liver and bone marrow and so he was sick due to very high liver bilirubin levels and very low hematocrit. What I think happened is that the dex and depo shots did work right away in terms of shrinking the lymphoma in the liver and bone marrow, but it took him a few days to process the high bilirubin levels out of his system and make enough red blood cells to bring his hematocrit back up. So I think he may have had less cancer right after the shots, but I did not know that because it took him a few days to actually feel better, if that makes sense. With Josephine and Buddy, who had cancer in different places, the dex and depo shots always worked within 3 or 4 hours until their last days when the shots did not work at all. So I guess I would ask for a combined dex/depo shot of either 1/2 cc of each or 1 cc of each. If it works, I would expect to see a difference within 24 hours for sure. Since he does not have high liver or kidney values or as far as we know lymphoma in his bone marrow, I would assume that if the steroids are going to work they would make him feel better pretty quickly-- that the shrinking of the tumors itself would make him feel better. The one possible side effect of strong steroids, short-term, is diabetes. But it is very rare for that to happen in the short-term and usually is a long-term effect. Given Ewok's situation, I do not think there is a down-side to trying the steroids. Or to trying CCNU. If your oncologist has reservations about using dex/depo combination shots on him, you can tell him to call the oncologist who treated Simon. I have not been in touch with him for months, but he is a really nice guy and I am sure he will remember what happened and be willing to talk about it. His name is Jeff Philibert and he is at NEVOG in MA (New England Veterinary Oncology Group). He did research on heavy steroid use in cats before agreeing to do the shots. The other thing is that your oncologist would probably agree there is not much of a down-side to trying at this point, if the Elspar does not help (which hopefully it will). Lots of hopeful wishes, Michelle In a message dated 12/16/2005 3:53:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Michelle!Thanks, again, for all of your sage advice and encouragment! My regularvet is going to call me back, I will ask her about the strongersteroids...what are their full names and how were they administered andhow often?
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oh, and they can be administered subcutaneously or intramuscularly. The oncologist gave them to Simon intramuscularly, and I gave the follow-up dex shots subcutaneously. IM is faster than sub-q in terms of absorbtion rate. Michelle
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Aw Jen, I just caught up on the posts between you and Michelle about Ewok. I feel like there's a tumor in my belly :( . I'm so sorry. My thoughts, concerns and prayers are with you guys. I wish there were something else I could say or do. I hate this damn disease. I'm sending you all my love to comfort you. My arms are wrapped around you both, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Damn! I should have checked my email before I left...thanks for that, Michelle...I'm going to keep that one in mind! Ewok and I just got back from the oncologist's and it's as we all pretty much expected: a mass in his intestines (a lymph node I believe, but I'm so tired I can't think straight right now...). So he was actually given a round of elspar to see if the tumor responds...I guess we'll know in the next 24-48 hours. Please continue to send out those healing vibes!
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Hi Michelle! Thanks so much...I'm going to be taking Ewok into his regular vet tomorrow morning for fluids and to pull the catheter that's been in his arm since Monday...I spoke with our vet just a few minutes ago and mentioned the combo shot...she hadn't heard of the two being used in combo, but she's willing to try anything for Ewok, so if the chemo doesn't do any good, we'll give the steroids a shot. Are the two administered separately (separate injections)? Or are they combined and then injected in one shot? But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, December 16, 2005 3:22 pm Subject: Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?--Another tumor oh, and they can be administered subcutaneously or intramuscularly. The oncologist gave them to Simon intramuscularly, and I gave the follow-up dex shots subcutaneously. IM is faster than sub-q in terms of absorbtion rate. Michelle
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You can do it either way. I would do it in one shot just to stick him less, but other than that i do not think it matters. Michelle In a message dated 12/16/2005 6:25:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Are the twoadministered separately (separate injections)? Or are they combined andthen injected in one shot?
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Jen, I would ask the vet to teach you how to do subcutaneous fluids at home, if you don't already know how to do it, so you don't need to keep taking him in. If he is in really bad shape it is true that IV fluids get into his system faster, but longer-term it seems like sub-q fluids should be enough, to me (though I am no doctor)... Michelle In a message dated 12/16/2005 6:25:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ...I'm going to be taking Ewok into his regular vettomorrow morning for fluids and to pull the catheter that's been in hisarm since Monday
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Hi Nina! Thanks so much for your email...it truly makes a huge difference knowing there are others out there who know exactly what you're going through! Right now, I have half a mind (which half? I don't know...it's hard to tell the sane half from the not-so-sane half right now... ;) ) to march right over to the mall, elbow my way through a line of 5 year olds, plop myself down on Santa's lap and tell him that all I want for Christmas is for my baby to get well...then, I'd tell the photographer to get several good shots of the crazy cat lady for my Christmas cards... :) Can you tell I need a little sleep and/or a stiff drink? LOL! Anyway, thanks for the hug...I needed that right about now! :) Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, December 16, 2005 4:41 pm Subject: Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?--Another tumor Aw Jen, I just caught up on the posts between you and Michelle about Ewok. I feel like there's a tumor in my belly :( . I'm so sorry. My thoughts, concerns and prayers are with you guys. I wish there were something else I could say or do. I hate this damn disease. I'm sending you all my love to comfort you. My arms are wrapped around you both, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Damn! I should have checked my email before I left...thanks for that,Michelle...I'm going to keep that one in mind! Ewok and I just got back from the oncologist's and it's as we all pretty much expected: a mass in his intestines (a lymph node I believe, but I'm so tired I can't thinkstraight right now...). So he was actually given a round of elspar to see if the tumor responds...I guess we'll know in the next 24-48 hours. Please continue to send out those healing vibes!
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Hey Jen,Thoughts and prayers coming your way for Ewok. I hope he turns the corner.tonya[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Michelle!Our vet is *fairly* confident it's a reaction to the chemo (I think it started with the adriamycin...then the "nail-in-the-coffin," so-to-speak, was the vincristine). Fortunately, Ewok's oncologist is in town today, so my vet will be getting ahold of him to get any suggestions. Ewok is still hanging in there, but we're a little concerned that his temp this morning was just over 102!Update: The vet just called...she's concerned that his white blood cell count is rising...I'm going to go ahead and take him to the oncologist's office at 10:30. I'm just sick to my stomach, right now...Ewok has been able to keep the FeLV in check through all this so far, I feel like I'm tempting fate with the additional stress!Please keep my boy in your thoughts and prayers!Jen"But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry"If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --Chief Dan George- Original Message -From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Friday, December 16, 2005 8:46 amSubject: Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing? I am glad you are holding off on the chemo for now, but so sorry he is having this reaction. Does the vet think it is from the Adriamycin? Michelle In a message dated 12/16/2005 5:33:51 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Michelle! Yes, Ewok was supposed to get another round of chemo this weekend (Cytoxen), but when I asked my vet about it, her eyes got really big and she shook her head vigorously, "NO." :) And he still on the Reglan (it's part of his daily i.v. drip)...but as for keeping his food down, we took a step backwards tonight...I'm hoping it was just the result of another drug my vet prescribed (sucralfate?), so I'm up at this ungodly hour after the poor guy, again, with a syringe! So far, so good...about 10 ccs of watered down A/D (that seems to be the one I've had the most luck with) over the course of about a 1/2 hour and no vomit! Gosh, it amazes me sometimes the things I'm profoundly thankful for... ;) Anyhoo, we'll be back at the vet's again in about 4 hours...he's still in good spirits for the little nurishment he's gotten over the past week...At this point, I'm starting to hope for a miracle... :( Take care and positive vibes out to poor Lucy!! Jen
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Jen~ My thoughts and prayers are with you and Ewok. I was so saddened to hear the news regarding the tumor. I pray little Ewok will get some relief with new treatments pursued... Big hugs to both of you! Love, Patti
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Hi Michelle! Unfortunately, not much improvement...he stays a the vet's office during the day for fluids and supportive therapy...his appetite is still close to nil and now he is combating severe diarrhea! The vet is trying everything she can think of and Ewok is being such a little sweet-heart about all of the poking, prodding and syringe feedings. I just made up a batch of pureed boiled chicken and brown rice...at least he's able to hold everything down...I'm going to give the slippery elm a shot, but I'm holding off on any beneficial bacteria as he is getting an antibiotic at the same time. I'm not sure what else to do but keep up the supportive therapy until his GI tract is in working order, again! I hope he bounces back soon, his blood-work is normal as of Monday, and the vet is going to check it again tomorrow...I miss my little fussy boy! :( Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. -- Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, December 15, 2005 9:36 pm Subject: Jen-- how is Ewok doing? Any improvement in chemo side effect symptoms? Michelle
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Jen, I am really sorry he is having so many symptoms. Is there any talk of giving the chemo a rest until he feels better? It is ok to give beneficial bateria while giving antibiotics, and it is in fact recommended. You just need to make sure you give it a few hours before or after the antibiotic doses so it does not get killed right away. I would definitely try the slippery elm. However, given how hard it as been to fix Lucy's diarrhea, I am not pretending to know how to fix this! It's very good he is holding down his food though. Is he still on Reglan? Michelle In a message dated 12/15/2005 11:09:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Michelle!Unfortunately, not much improvement...he stays a the vet's office during the day for fluids and supportive therapy...his appetite is still close to nil and now he is combating severe diarrhea! The vet is trying everything she can think of and Ewok is being such a little sweet-heart about all of the poking, prodding and syringe feedings. I just made up a batch of pureed boiled chicken and brown rice...at least he's able to hold everything down...I'm going to give the slippery elm a shot, but I'm holding off on any beneficial bacteria as he is getting an antibiotic at the same time. I'm not sure what else to do but keep up the supportive therapy until his GI tract is in working order, again! I hope he bounces back soon, his blood-work is normal as of Monday, and the vet is going to check it again tomorrow...I miss my little fussy boy! :(Jen
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Welcome back Jen---what an ordeal you guys have been through. It's great to know you're all safe and sound, and that your home is in one piece too. Hope little Ewok is doing okay. Good to have you back! Kerry PS: d'you literally mean you dodged a bullet or is that a dumb Brit Q?! - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 11:46 AM Subject: Re: Jen Hi Guys! We're back! Physically, anyway, mentally, I'm still having a hard time recovering from the nightmare of the evacuation! :( It took us over 55 hours to get from Houston to Little Rock!! Our evacuation route was bumper to bumper for about 50 of those hours...we spent a couple of nights on the side of the road and, I'm not sure if it made the local news in areas other than Texas, but we were one of those thousands of people stranded on the side of the road because we ran out of gas! Thanks to a good samaritan, we were able to make our way to Little Rock on Saturday staying just ahead of the hurricane the entire way! We literally could only sleep for an hour or so Friday night (we were still in Texas at this point with no room at any hotel or shelter until we got into Arkansas) because as the hurricane approached, it brought tornados. But we finally made it to Arkansas early Saturday with animals in tow...Everyone did great despite having to be confined to a car for two days! Little Rock was wonderful, everyone was very kind and helpful...we even managed to make it to the river front area the day before we returned to Texas for a much needed beer (or two) at an English pub called The Underground. :) Anyhoo, unfortunately, I had to take Ewok to his oncologist appointment this morning...more car trauma!! The poor guy, just got out of the damn car and here I am sticking him back in it for a half-hour car ride to his doctor's appointment! We're all very much looking forward to this weekend! We dodged a bullet and only lost a few tree limbs in the storm (only 1/4 of rain!!)...it's sad to think that we would have been safer staying in our own home during the storm!! Hope this all makes sense! My brain is still all over the place (I'm absolutely exhausted)...thank you all for your positive thoughts...I have yet to read though the list email, but I know there have been a couple of losses (Julie and Nina??)...I believe I saw something about Grace... :( Take care, all... Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, September 29, 2005 8:52 pm Subject: Jen Has anyone heard from Jen since the evacuation?? tonya --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So that msg forwarded from Jen was an out-of-date msg? Gloria At 10:13 AM 9/28/2005, you wrote: Hi Gloria Yes..These were in Tenn. Now in Vermont and doing very well... They have put on plenty of weight and grown beautiful coats... A big change from when they were taken from AW... Interesting..The 2 FeLV+ mentioned below for euthanasia have turned out to be the most active of the 6 and I think just the initial visit to the vet...Just goes to show..Don't give up on these guys Tad mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this in Tennessee? Just wondering about location - Gloria At 10:48 AM 7/2/2005, you wrote: The white cat in danger of being put down due today to nasty ears, sores, and etc, has now been discovered to be a very light BUFF cat, NOT white, as first suspected. She is FEMALE. I have to go to work, if she is anyone's cat, and you want to save her, email Kara at mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] (please do NOT bombard Kara with emails that I could answer, as she is already very overwhelmed! ONLY email her if one of these cats may be yours! I can't do anything from work though, and don't want anyone's cat to die just because I am not at home to relay messages!) I will have pictures TODAY when I get home from work, 10PM eastern time. Stay up late if interested! I will answer all other emails tonight if time allows, including your questions Tad. Yes, I THINK I can get sponsors! Jenn http://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.htmlhttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.htm l ~ ~~ Dilute calico DMH, ~4 years - female Eyes - sunken, 3rd eyelid up Ear mites Fleas 4
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:) With a few of the places we had to spend the night in our cars, I'm actually suprised we didn't get shot at... :) ...I'm trying to think of a good English colloquialism for avoided catastrophe ie. dodged a bullet, but can't think of one off-hand...do the Brits have an expression for barely avoided disaster? But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. -- Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: Kerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, October 2, 2005 11:55 am Subject: Re: Jen Welcome back Jen---what an ordeal you guys have been through. It's great to know you're all safe and sound, and that your home is in one piece too.Hope little Ewok is doing okay. Good to have you back! Kerry PS: d'you literally mean you dodged a bullet or is that a dumb Brit Q?! - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 11:46 AM Subject: Re: Jen Hi Guys! We're back! Physically, anyway, mentally, I'm still having a hard timerecovering from the nightmare of the evacuation! :( It took us over 55 hours to get from Houston to Little Rock!! Our evacuation route was bumper to bumper for about 50 of those hours...we spent a couple of nights on the side of the road and, I'm not sure if it made the local news in areas other than Texas, but we were one of thosethousands of people stranded on the side of the road because we ran out of gas! Thanks to a good samaritan, we were able to make our way to Little Rock on Saturday staying just ahead of the hurricane the entire way! We literally could only sleep for an hour or so Friday night (we were still in Texas at this point with no room at any hotel or shelter until we got into Arkansas) because as the hurricane approached, it brought tornados. But we finally made it to Arkansas early Saturday with animals in tow...Everyone did great despite having to be confined to a car for two days! Little Rock was wonderful, everyone was very kind and helpful...we even managed to make it to the river front area the day before we returned to Texas for a much needed beer (or two) at an English pub called The Underground. :) Anyhoo, unfortunately, I had to take Ewok to his oncologist appointmentthis morning...more car trauma!! The poor guy, just got out of the damn car and here I am sticking him back in it for a half-hour car ride to his doctor's appointment! We're all very much looking forward to this weekend! We dodged a bullet and only lost a few tree limbs in the storm(only 1/4 of rain!!)...it's sad to think that we would have been safer staying in our own home during the storm!! Hope this all makes sense! My brain is still all over the place (I'm absolutely exhausted)...thank you all for your positive thoughts...I have yet to read though the list email, but I know there have been a couple of losses (Julie and Nina??)...I believe I saw something about Grace... :( Take care, all... Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. -- Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, September 29, 2005 8:52 pm Subject: Jen Has anyone heard from Jen since the evacuation?? tonya --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So that msg forwarded from Jen was an out-of-date msg? Gloria At 10:13 AM 9/28/2005, you wrote: Hi Gloria Yes..These were in Tenn. Now in Vermont and doing very well... They have put on plenty of weight and grown beautiful coats... A big change from when they were taken from AW... Interesting..The 2 FeLV+ mentioned below for euthanasia have turned out to be the most active of the 6 and I think just the initial visit to the vet...Just goes to show..Don't give up on these guys Tad mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this in Tennessee? Just wondering about location - Gloria At 10:48 AM 7/2/2005, you wrote: The white cat in danger of being put down due today to nasty
Re: Jen
Hi Guys! We're back! Physically, anyway, mentally, I'm still having a hard time recovering from the nightmare of the evacuation! :( It took us over 55 hours to get from Houston to Little Rock!! Our evacuation route was bumper to bumper for about 50 of those hours...we spent a couple of nights on the side of the road and, I'm not sure if it made the local news in areas other than Texas, but we were one of those thousands of people stranded on the side of the road because we ran out of gas! Thanks to a good samaritan, we were able to make our way to Little Rock on Saturday staying just ahead of the hurricane the entire way! We literally could only sleep for an hour or so Friday night (we were still in Texas at this point with no room at any hotel or shelter until we got into Arkansas) because as the hurricane approached, it brought tornados. But we finally made it to Arkansas early Saturday with animals in tow...Everyone did great despite having to be confined to a car for two days! Little Rock was wonderful, everyone was very kind and helpful...we even managed to make it to the river front area the day before we returned to Texas for a much needed beer (or two) at an English pub called The Underground. :) Anyhoo, unfortunately, I had to take Ewok to his oncologist appointment this morning...more car trauma!! The poor guy, just got out of the damn car and here I am sticking him back in it for a half-hour car ride to his doctor's appointment! We're all very much looking forward to this weekend! We dodged a bullet and only lost a few tree limbs in the storm (only 1/4 of rain!!)...it's sad to think that we would have been safer staying in our own home during the storm!! Hope this all makes sense! My brain is still all over the place (I'm absolutely exhausted)...thank you all for your positive thoughts...I have yet to read though the list email, but I know there have been a couple of losses (Julie and Nina??)...I believe I saw something about Grace... :( Take care, all... Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, September 29, 2005 8:52 pm Subject: Jen Has anyone heard from Jen since the evacuation?? tonya --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So that msg forwarded from Jen was an out-of-date msg? Gloria At 10:13 AM 9/28/2005, you wrote: Hi Gloria Yes..These were in Tenn. Now in Vermont and doing very well... They have put on plenty of weight and grown beautiful coats... A big change from when they were taken from AW... Interesting..The 2 FeLV+ mentioned below for euthanasia have turned out to be the most active of the 6 and I think just the initial visit to the vet...Just goes to show..Don't give up on these guys Tad mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this in Tennessee? Just wondering about location - Gloria At 10:48 AM 7/2/2005, you wrote: The white cat in danger of being put down due today to nasty ears, sores, and etc, has now been discovered to be a very light BUFF cat, NOT white, as first suspected. She is FEMALE. I have to go to work, if she is anyone's cat, and you want to save her, email Kara at mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] (please do NOT bombard Kara with emails that I could answer, as she is already very overwhelmed! ONLY email her if one of these cats may be yours! I can't do anything from work though, and don't want anyone's cat to die just because I am not at home to relay messages!) I will have pictures TODAY when I get home from work, 10PM eastern time. Stay up late if interested! I will answer all other emails tonight if time allows, including your questions Tad. Yes, I THINK I can get sponsors! Jenn http://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.htmlhttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html ~~~ Dilute calico DMH, ~4 years - female Eyes - sunken, 3rd eyelid up Ear mites Fleas 4+ Mouth - peridontal/missing teeth Dehydrated Notes: very thin, dehydrated, Recommend euthanasia Buff DSH, ~4 years - female Eyes - conjunctivitis Ears - mites Skin - dermatitis, hair loss, self trauma Abdomen - hernia over incision Mouth - missing teeth, periodontal, gingivitis Legs/feet - pressure sores Notes: ear flaps ulcerated necrotic, conjuct, nasal discharge, missing teeth
Re: Jen
Good point. To my knowledge there's been no email to the list. Maybe someone's heard from her directly? Hope they're ok - Original Message - From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 8:52 PM Subject: Jen Has anyone heard from Jen since the evacuation?? tonya --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So that msg forwarded from Jen was an out-of-date msg? Gloria At 10:13 AM 9/28/2005, you wrote: Hi Gloria Yes..These were in Tenn. Now in Vermont and doing very well... They have put on plenty of weight and grown beautiful coats... A big change from when they were taken from AW... Interesting..The 2 FeLV+ mentioned below for euthanasia have turned out to be the most active of the 6 and I think just the initial visit to the vet...Just goes to show..Don't give up on these guys Tad mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this in Tennessee? Just wondering about location - Gloria At 10:48 AM 7/2/2005, you wrote: The white cat in danger of being put down due today to nasty ears, sores, and etc, has now been discovered to be a very light BUFF cat, NOT white, as first suspected. She is FEMALE. I have to go to work, if she is anyone's cat, and you want to save her, email Kara at mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] (please do NOT bombard Kara with emails that I could answer, as she is already very overwhelmed! ONLY email her if one of these cats may be yours! I can't do anything from work though, and don't want anyone's cat to die just because I am not at home to relay messages!) I will have pictures TODAY when I get home from work, 10PM eastern time. Stay up late if interested! I will answer all other emails tonight if time allows, including your questions Tad. Yes, I THINK I can get sponsors! Jenn http://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.htmlhttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.htm l ~ ~~ Dilute calico DMH, ~4 years - female Eyes - sunken, 3rd eyelid up Ear mites Fleas 4+ Mouth - peridontal/missing teeth Dehydrated Notes: very thin, dehydrated, Recommend euthanasia Buff DSH, ~4 years - female Eyes - conjunctivitis Ears - mites Skin - dermatitis, hair loss, self trauma Abdomen - hernia over incision Mouth - missing teeth, periodontal, gingivitis Legs/feet - pressure sores Notes: ear flaps ulcerated necrotic, conjuct, nasal discharge, missing teeth, periodontal, gingivitis, pressure sores on hocks, fleas Needs Euthanized Black DSH, 6 years - Female Ears - mites Skin/coat - fleas ++, severe (??) dermatitis Abdominal - thin Mouth - moderate tarter Notes: none Then I have two bad FIVs: White with gray DSH, 5 years - male - this has been there for at least 5 years - Nicky Eyes - sunken Ears - mites Skin - fleas, thin hair Mouth - see below Dehydrated Notes - mouth ulcer tongue, severe tarter, periodontal, gingivitis, URI Body condition, 1.5 Vet recommends euthanasia Buff DSH, 4 years - male Eyes - sunken Ears - mites Skin - fleas, self trauma to skin, wounds on right rear leg, pressure sores, possible mange Mouth - severe gingivitis, periodontal disease, acne Dehydrated Notes - recommends euthanasia No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.8/37 - Release Date: 7/1/2005
Jen----Nutrical
I've never heard of Nutrical, is it a food supplement? This sounds very good and quite easy to give, at this point I am willing to try anything. Thank you so much, I will be picking up a tube tomorrow. BLOCKQUOTE style='PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #A0C6E5 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px'font style='FONT-SIZE:11px;FONT-FAMILY:tahoma,sans-serif'hr color=#A0C6E5 size=1 From: i[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ibrReply-To: ifelvtalk@felineleukemia.org/ibrTo: ifelvtalk@felineleukemia.org/ibrSubject: iRe: RE: Lisa--Nutrical/ibrDate: iWed, 31 Aug 2005 12:16:34 -0500/ibrgt;This is a good way to administer Nutrical, if it hasn't been suggestedbrgt;already! It's a high-calorie gel that comes in a tube (can also bebrgt;found at Petsmart, etc.)...just put some on your finger and scrapebrgt;against the roof of kitty's mouth...I've also put some on paws so thatbrgt;they're forced to lick it off...but you can't put too much as cat's havebrgt;a tendency to want to shake it off before they lick it off...I've gotbrgt;splatterings of Nutrical all over the kitchen!brgt;brgt;brgt;brgt;quot;But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will bebrgt;unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; Youbrgt;become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed...quot; --Antoine debrgt;Saint-Exupérybrgt;brgt;quot;If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will knowbrgt;each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and whatbrgt;you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys.quot; --Chief Danbrgt;Georgebrgt;brgt;- Original Message -brgt;From: Hideyo Yamamoto lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt;brgt;Date: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 11:13 ambrgt;Subject: RE: Lisabrgt;brgt; gt; Hi, Lisa, are you using syringe? I have one cat, Leo who justbrgt; gt; hated tobrgt; gt; be fed with syringe and everthing could come out from his mouth ---brgt; gt;brgt; gt; My vet also told me a different way of feeding with your finger - youbrgt; gt; take a pallatble food like baby food or cannned food, and put some onbrgt; gt; the tip of your pointing finger . you put the food side up (thebrgt; gt; oppositeside of where your nail is), and put it into his mouth --brgt; gt; rub againstbrgt; gt; the top of his palate -brgt; gt;brgt; gt; How is he doing today?brgt; gt; -Original Message-brgt; gt; From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]brgt; gt; [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Elizabethbrgt; gt; PazSent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 10:11 PMbrgt; gt; To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgbrgt; gt; Subject: Hideyobrgt; gt;brgt; gt;brgt; gt; Thank you for your kind words, I will keep trying. It just that hebrgt; gt; struggles so much that I worry about getting him all stressed out. Hebrgt; gt; doesbrgt; gt; put up one heck of a struggle. His head is so strong and it movesbrgt; gt; sobrgt; gt; quickly.brgt; gt;brgt; gt; But I will keep trying. He was so ill in 03 that we did not think hebrgt; gt; wouldbrgt; gt; make it but we worked so hard on getting him so healthy and chubby.brgt; gt; butthisbrgt; gt; is so different with the food. I can easily give him his pills, butbrgt; gt; thisbrgt; gt; food stuff, what can I say, this is just tearing my heart up.brgt; gt;brgt; gt; Thank You for support.brgt; gt; Lisabrgt; gt;brgt; gt;brgt; gt;brgt; gt;brgt; gt; lt;BLOCKQUOTE style='PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT:brgt; gt; #A0C6E5brgt; gt; 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px'gt;lt;fontbrgt; gt; style='FONT-SIZE:11px;FONT-FAMILY:tahoma,sans-serif'gt;lt;hrbrgt; gt; color=#A0C6E5brgt; gt; size=1gt;brgt; gt; From: lt;igt;amp;quot;Hideyo Yamamotoamp;quot;brgt; gt; lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]amp;gt;lt;/igt;lt;brgt;Reply-To:brgt; gt; lt;igt;felvtalk@felineleukemia.orglt;/igt;lt;brgt;To:brgt; gt; lt;igt;lt;felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgamp;gt;lt;/igt;lt;brgt;Subject: lt;igt;RE: Won'tbrgt; gt; EatPlease Helplt;/igt;lt;brgt;Date: lt;igt;Tue, 30 Aug 2005 17:20:06brgt; gt; -0600lt;/igt;lt;brgt;amp;gt;Lisa, I can emphasize your pain - my Felv positive,brgt; gt; Gingerbrgt; gt; stoppedlt;brgt;amp;gt;eating for over a week a several monthsbrgt; gt; ago.lt;brgt;amp;gt;lt;brgt;amp;gt;She is already a very small girl, and did not wantbrgt; gt; herbrgt; gt; to lose any morelt;brgt;amp;gt;weight - so as Nina mentioned, I assistedbrgt; gt; her tobrgt; gt; eatbrgt; gt; with syringe everylt;brgt;amp;gt;day with baby food and liver shakebrgt; gt; -lt;brgt;amp;gt;lt;brgt;amp;gt;I will be praying that your kitty will bounce backbrgt; gt; verybrgt; gt; soon - so staylt;brgt;amp;gt;calm (I know it's hard, but do your best) andbrgt; gt; talktobrgt; gt; him gently andlt;brgt;amp;gt;tell him how much he means to you and how he isbrgt; gt; goingbrgt; gt; to get better verylt;brgt;amp;gt;very soon..lt;brgt;amp;gt;lt;brgt;amp;gt;Love and hugs tobrgt; gt; youbrgt; gt; and your
Re: Jen----Nutrical
I have a cat who is negative, but he doesn't want to eat either. My homeopathic vet recommends a supplement called Amino B-Plex. It has amino acids, B vitamins to stimulate the appetite, potassium, iron, a few other things that aren't familiar to me. It's a liquid, and they seem to like it. You just squirt it in their mouth. It doesn't have sodium benzoate, which is a preservative that isn't OK for cats (even tho a lot of cat products use it) I don't know how high calorie it is, but I am wondering how many calories are in a tablespoon of nutrical and what that actually translates to for a cat? The website listed on the bottle is www.naturaldvm.com if anyone is interested. Janine --- Elizabeth Paz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've never heard of Nutrical, is it a food supplement? This sounds very good and quite easy to give, at this point I am willing to try anything. Thank you so much, I will be picking up a tube tomorrow. BLOCKQUOTE style='PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #A0C6E5 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px'font style='FONT-SIZE:11px;FONT-FAMILY:tahoma,sans-serif'hr color=#A0C6E5 size=1 From: i[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ibrReply-To: ifelvtalk@felineleukemia.org/ibrTo: ifelvtalk@felineleukemia.org/ibrSubject: iRe: RE: Lisa--Nutrical/ibrDate: iWed, 31 Aug 2005 12:16:34 -0500/ibrgt;This is a good way to administer Nutrical, if it hasn't been suggestedbrgt;already! It's a high-calorie gel that comes in a tube (can also bebrgt;found at Petsmart, etc.)...just put some on your finger and scrapebrgt;against the roof of kitty's mouth...I've also put some on paws so thatbrgt;they're forced to lick it off...but you can't put too much as cat's havebrgt;a tendency to want to shake it off before they lick it off...I've gotbrgt;splatterings of Nutrical all over the kitchen!brgt;brgt;brgt;brgt;quot;But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will bebrgt;unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; Youbrgt;become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed...quot; --Antoine debrgt;Saint-Exupérybrgt;brgt;quot;If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will knowbrgt;each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and whatbrgt;you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys.quot; --Chief Danbrgt;Georgebrgt;brgt;- Original Message -brgt;From: Hideyo Yamamoto lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt;brgt;Date: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 11:13 ambrgt;Subject: RE: Lisabrgt;brgt; gt; Hi, Lisa, are you using syringe? I have one cat, Leo who justbrgt; gt; hated tobrgt; gt; be fed with syringe and everthing could come out from his mouth ---brgt; gt;brgt; gt; My vet also told me a different way of feeding with your finger - youbrgt; gt; take a pallatble food like baby food or cannned food, and put some onbrgt; gt; the tip of your pointing finger . you put the food side up (thebrgt; gt; oppositeside of where your nail is), and put it into his mouth --brgt; gt; rub againstbrgt; gt; the top of his palate -brgt; gt;brgt; gt; How is he doing today?brgt; gt; -Original Message-brgt; gt; From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]brgt; gt; [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Elizabethbrgt; gt; PazSent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 10:11 PMbrgt; gt; To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgbrgt; gt; Subject: Hideyobrgt; gt;brgt; gt;brgt; gt; Thank you for your kind words, I will keep trying. It just that hebrgt; gt; struggles so much that I worry about getting him all stressed out. Hebrgt; gt; doesbrgt; gt; put up one heck of a struggle. His head is so strong and it movesbrgt; gt; sobrgt; gt; quickly.brgt; gt;brgt; gt; But I will keep trying. He was so ill in 03 that we did not think hebrgt; gt; wouldbrgt; gt; make it but we worked so hard on getting him so healthy and chubby.brgt; gt; butthisbrgt; gt; is so different with the food. I can easily give him his pills, butbrgt; gt; thisbrgt; gt; food stuff, what can I say, this is just tearing my heart up.brgt; gt;brgt; gt; Thank You for support.brgt; gt; Lisabrgt; gt;brgt; gt;brgt; gt;brgt; gt;brgt; gt; lt;BLOCKQUOTE style='PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT:brgt; gt; #A0C6E5brgt; gt; 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px'gt;lt;fontbrgt; gt; style='FONT-SIZE:11px;FONT-FAMILY:tahoma,sans-serif'gt;lt;hrbrgt; gt; color=#A0C6E5brgt; gt; size=1gt;brgt; gt; From: lt;igt;amp;quot;Hideyo Yamamotoamp;quot;brgt; gt; lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]amp;gt;lt;/igt;lt;brgt;Reply-To:brgt; gt; lt;igt;felvtalk@felineleukemia.orglt;/igt;lt;brgt;To:brgt; gt; lt;igt;lt;felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgamp;gt;lt;/igt;lt;brgt;Subject: lt;igt;RE: Won'tbrgt; gt; EatPlease Helplt;/igt;lt;brgt;Date: lt;igt;Tue, 30 Aug 2005 17:20:06brgt; gt; -0600lt;/igt;lt;brgt;amp;gt;Lisa, I can
Re: Jen----Nutrical
Hi Lisa! Yep, it's a supplement that can be taylored for supplemental use, or for guys that aren't eating much (if anything) at all! Like I said, it just comes in a tube (kinda like toothpaste)...if you're able to get your finger in kitty's mouth (as opposed to the syringe, which takes a little getting used to, I admit), then this may be the way to go! Good luck! But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: Elizabeth Paz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 9:13 pm Subject: JenNutrical I've never heard of Nutrical, is it a food supplement? This sounds very good and quite easy to give, at this point I am willing to try anything. Thank you so much, I will be picking up a tube tomorrow. BLOCKQUOTE style='PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER- LEFT: #A0C6E5 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px'font style='FONT-SIZE:11px;FONT-FAMILY:tahoma,sans-serif'hr color=#A0C6E5 size=1 From: i[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ibrReply-To: ifelvtalk@felineleukemia.org/ibrTo: ifelvtalk@felineleukemia.org/ibrSubject: iRe: RE: Lisa--Nutrical/ibrDate: iWed, 31 Aug 2005 12:16:34 -0500/ibrgt;This is a good way to administer Nutrical, if it hasn't been suggestedbrgt;already! It's a high-calorie gel that comes in a tube (can also bebrgt;found at Petsmart, etc.)...just put some on your finger and scrapebrgt;against the roof of kitty's mouth...I've also put some on paws so thatbrgt;they're forced to lick it off...but you can't put too much as cat's havebrgt;a tendency to want to shake it off before they lick it off...I've gotbrgt;splatterings of Nutrical all over the kitchen!brgt;brgt;brgt;brgt;quot;But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will bebrgt;unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; Youbrgt;become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed...quot; --Antoine debrgt;Saint- Exupérybrgt;brgt;quot;If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will knowbrgt;each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and whatbrgt;you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys.quot; --Chief Danbrgt;Georgebrgt;brgt;- Original Message -brgt;From: Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED]gt;brgt;Date: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 11:13 ambrgt;Subject: RE: Lisabrgt;brgt; gt; Hi, Lisa, are you using syringe? I have one cat, Leo who justbrgt; gt; hated tobrgt; gt; be fed with syringe and everthing could come out from his mouth ---brgt; gt;brgt; gt; My vet also told me a different way of feeding with your finger - youbrgt; gt; take a pallatble food like baby food or cannned food, and put some onbrgt; gt; the tip of your pointing finger . you put the food side up (thebrgt; gt; oppositeside of where your nail is), and put it into his mouth --brgt; gt; rub againstbrgt; gt; the top of his palate -brgt; gt;brgt; gt; How is he doing today?brgt; gt; -Original Message-brgt; gt; From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]brgt; gt; [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Elizabethbrgt; gt; PazSent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 10:11 PMbrgt; gt; To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgbrgt; gt; Subject: Hideyobrgt; gt;brgt; gt;brgt; gt; Thank you for your kind words, I will keep trying. It just that hebrgt; gt; struggles so much that I worry about getting him all stressed out. Hebrgt; gt; doesbrgt; gt; put up one heck of a struggle. His head is so strong and it movesbrgt; gt; sobrgt; gt; quickly.brgt; gt;brgt; gt; But I will keep trying. He was so ill in 03 that we did not think hebrgt; gt; wouldbrgt; gt; make it but we worked so hard on getting him so healthy and chubby.brgt; gt; butthisbrgt; gt; is so different with the food. I can easily give him his pills, butbrgt; gt; thisbrgt; gt; food stuff, what can I say, this is just tearing my heart up.brgt; gt;brgt; gt; Thank You for support.brgt; gt; Lisabrgt; gt;brgt; gt;brgt; gt;brgt; gt;brgt; gt; BLOCKQUOTE style='PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT:brgt; gt; #A0C6E5brgt; gt; 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px'gt;fontbrgt; gt; style='FONT-SIZE:11px;FONT-FAMILY:tahoma,sans-serif'gt;hrbrgt; gt; color=#A0C6E5brgt; gt; size=1gt;brgt; gt; From: igt;amp;quot;Hideyo Yamamotoamp;quot;brgt; gt; [EMAIL PROTECTED]amp;gt;/igt;brgt;Reply- To:brgt; gt; igt;felvtalk@felineleukemia.org/igt;brgt;To:brgt; gt
For Jen: Innova dry--no grains!
Title: For Jen: Innova dry--no grains! This is such a strange coincidence---I called a potential petsitter yesterday, and she was waxing lyrical about her dry food of choice for her cats---grainless Innova Evo dog food (I've never bought Innova and had never heard of 'Evo'). She really was giving it the hard sell. When I asked her about the equivalent cat food, she said Innova hadn't got around to producing the cat food yet. I was a bit dubious about her using dog food for cats, even if it is superior quality, and was going to ask you guys about the wisdom of this practice--and lo and behold, Jen sends this email out the same day. I'll be calling the petsitter to let her know. Thanks Jen!--Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jen Meyer Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 7:34 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Innova dry--no grains! Hi All! I just wanted to mention that Innova has finally come out with a dry food for cats with NO grains (they've had a dry food for dogs w/ no grains out for awhile now)! I just picked up a sample at the kennel where I pick up the cats' raw food...the cats love it! Let me know if anyone wants to see an ingredient list...I haven't gotten a price on a bag...but it's nice to know that I've got a choice with dry food now! :) Jen This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: For Jen: Innova dry--no grains!--dog vs. cat
Title: Message I actually just tooka look at the label for the dog food sample that I picked up and compared it to the cat food...the ingredients looked about the same (although the dog food has garlic and added vitamin C, it looks like)...but the big difference is in the protein content, naturally! :) The cat food claims 50% protein whereas the dog food claims 42%...which, admittedly, is probably higher than in most commercial cat foods! I believe the main difference between foods geared towards cats as opposed to dogs is the protein/carb ratio...dogs just don't need the amount of protein that cats do (can cause kidney problems in dogs)...cats are pretty darned close to true carnivores whereas dogs will eat darned near anything (I can attest to that)! :) -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N.Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 9:10 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: For Jen: Innova dry--no grains! This is such a strange coincidence---I called a potential petsitter yesterday, and she was waxing lyrical about her dry food of choice for her cats---grainless Innova Evo dog food (I've never bought Innova and had never heard of 'Evo'). She really was giving it the hard sell. When I asked her about the equivalent cat food, she said Innova hadn't got around to producing the cat food yet. I was a bit dubious about her using dog food for cats, even if it is superior quality, and was going to ask you guys about the wisdom of this practice--and lo and behold, Jen sends this email out the same day. I'll be calling the petsitter to let her know. Thanks Jen!--Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jen Meyer Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 7:34 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Innova dry--no grains! Hi All! I just wanted to mention that Innova has finally come out with a dry food for cats with NO grains (they've had a dry food for dogs w/ no grains out for awhile now)! I just picked up a sample at the kennel where I pick up the cats' raw food...the cats love it! Let me know if anyone wants to see an ingredient list...I haven't gotten a price on a bag...but it's nice to know that I've got a choice with dry food now! :) Jen This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: For Jen: Innova dry--no grains!--dog vs. cat
Title: Message I'm having a tough time deciding, too, whether or not I want to switch *everyone* over! My guys also eat Wellness canned and dry...and they've *all* done really well on it (it's the first time in a long time that I haven't had litter box "issues")! But I've also gone back to raw food for one meal out of the day...so that could be the reason they're doing great, as well! I like that Innova EVO has added beneficial bacteria (like Wellness) to their dry food (I think that helps control litter box "issues"...:) )...Like I said, I haven't gotten a price, yet, on a bag of EVO...that could very well be the deciding factor as to all of them getting it, or just Lola! :) If you have a problem getting a sample, and you'd like one...just let me know and I can pick up a few and send them to you! My kennel doesn't actually carry the EVO cat food yet...they're seeing how fast the samples go, etc before they stock it...but I'm hoping they can order a bag for me (if I decide to go with it) with their normal shipment! -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N.Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 10:17 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: For Jen: Innova dry--no grains!--dog vs. cat Thanks--I'll look at it and compare the labels with the Wellness I use-- I'll try and get a sample tonight when I pick up my Wellness. Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jen MeyerSent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 9:52 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: For Jen: Innova dry--no grains!--dog vs. cat I actually just tooka look at the label for the dog food sample that I picked up and compared it to the cat food...the ingredients looked about the same (although the dog food has garlic and added vitamin C, it looks like)...but the big difference is in the protein content, naturally! :) The cat food claims 50% protein whereas the dog food claims 42%...which, admittedly, is probably higher than in most commercial cat foods! I believe the main difference between foods geared towards cats as opposed to dogs is the protein/carb ratio...dogs just don't need the amount of protein that cats do (can cause kidney problems in dogs)...cats are pretty darned close to true carnivores whereas dogs will eat darned near anything (I can attest to that)! :) -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N.Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 9:10 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: For Jen: Innova dry--no grains! This is such a strange coincidence---I called a potential petsitter yesterday, and she was waxing lyrical about her dry food of choice for her cats---grainless Innova Evo dog food (I've never bought Innova and had never heard of 'Evo'). She really was giving it the hard sell. When I asked her about the equivalent cat food, she said Innova hadn't got around to producing the cat food yet. I was a bit dubious about her using dog food for cats, even if it is superior quality, and was going to ask you guys about the wisdom of this practice--and lo and behold, Jen sends this email out the same day. I'll be calling the petsitter to let her know. Thanks Jen!--Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jen Meyer Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 7:34 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Innova dry--no grains! Hi All! I just wanted to mention that Innova has finally come out with a dry food for cats with NO grains (they've had a dry food for dogs w/ no grains out for awhile now)! I just picked up a sample at the kennel where I pick up the cats' raw food...the cats love it! Let me know if anyone wants to see an ingredient list...I haven't gotten a price on a bag...but it's nice to know that I've got a choice with dry food now! :) Jen This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the
