Questions for people using slow feeders
This message is from: Robin Churchill I use busy bags and nibblenets for my horses and I have not had trouble with these particular horses tearing them up. I have the smallest hole bags that both of them make for the two fjords and find that although it slows them down some, they are still very proficient at getting the hay out of them. I generally feed timothy with some coastal mixed in because I am worried about the colic risk associated with feeding straight coastal. We used to have a hay around here called Tifton 85 that was not as fine as regular coastal but still a Bermuda-type hay that had less calories and sugar but we can't get it anymore. The local hay is called Pangola but even the fjords won't eat it unless you can get it right when it is cut and has some green in it. At least in my part of Florida, we just get what is available and can't keep large amounts of hay like the people in cooler climates and what is available is always changing depending what the stores get in.  Anyway to my questions: 1. What kind of hay are people generally feeding out of slow feeders?2. Do fjords really self-regulate if they have access to hay in a slow feeder at all times? 3. Do people who have things set up to give their horses access to hay in a slow feeder at all times generally keep them on a dry lot or stalled? I would like to find some way to make it less work for me and for the horses to be more satisfied but don't know how to do it without having them get so fat that they can't get through the barn door. Right now, I decide how much hay (by weight) I want them to have based on an appropriate percentage for their weights combined with how much grass is available for grazing and divide that into 3- 4 feedings (3 in summer when there is grass and 4 in winter when the grass is sparse due to the dry conditions here) which they get in the busy bags/nibblenets. By doing it this way, I keep their weights in check but it is a lot of work to fill multiple bags multiple times a day and they still have a fair amount of time without hay, although they do pick around at whatever grass is available when they are turned out which is pretty much all day in the winter. Thanks for any advice Robin Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: A couple of questions
This message is from: "Beth & Sandy - Starfire Farm" Hi Gayle, This message is from: Gayle ware "I have a couple of questions. In the photo of 5 abreast in the Rose parade, are those all 5 of the Fjord colors?" No, left to right they are brown dun (Teressa's Zoobie), red dun (our OH Adrianna), yellow dun (LTW farm's OH Yenna) grey dun (Victoria Arling's LTW Van Gogh) and brown dun (Kristin Miller's Saundra). The white four in hand was the fifth color in the group. "did everyone do their own body clipping? How long before the parade was it done?" I can speak for our horses. It was truly a team effort. My helper, Christi Kipple, started the clipping the first week of December, giving them a trace clip. Then, as time and weather permitted, we both tackled them. I think I finished them off the week before Christmas day, which was when we left for CA. I had done the faces and had blended most of the legs on the Four, and left patches on the hips for the cancer ribbon. Once we were there, Marg Clumpner and Angela Toponga (bless their hearts!) took over with the horses that needed finishing. Blending the faces and the feathers on the legs takes a LOT of time! Victoria Arling did her own horse and Samantha and Savanna Poirier clipped Jeanne's horse, but cut off all of the hair with no blending. Kristin Miller's horse also had no feathers. Blending isn't that difficult with #10 blades on Oster clippers, turned backwards. Just takes time and patience. I was hoping to cut hearts into my four white's manes, but ran out of time Beth Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
RE: A couple of questions
This message is from: "teressa Kandianis" Hi Gayle: No on the ridden horses representing all five colors. There were 2 brown duns, a yellow, red and gray dun. Beth's four up were the white duns in the parade. People either did their own or had someone who knew how do it. Most were clipped 3 to 5 weeks prior to the parade. We had big clippers and little clippers with us and some faces, legs, cancer ribbons, etc were cleaned up once we got to LAEC. The ladies had an assembly line going - I think Marg Clumpner, Angele Teige, and Kristin Miller were all doing clipping. Susie Sabatini was working on Finnoe's pair. I know there were others. But, once again, a team effort. Teressa -Original Message- From: owner-fjordho...@angus.mystery.com [mailto:owner-fjordho...@angus.mystery.com] On Behalf Of Gayle ware Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 7:10 AM To: fjordhorse Subject: A couple of questions This message is from: Gayle ware I have a couple of questions. In the photo of 5 abreast in the Rose parade, are those all 5 of the Fjord colors? My second question is - did everyone do their own body clipping? Good job to whoever di it. They looked great. It is tough to do especially faces. How long before the parade was it done? Thanx, Gayle Ware Field of Dreams Eugene, OR Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
A couple of questions
This message is from: Gayle ware I have a couple of questions. In the photo of 5 abreast in the Rose parade, are those all 5 of the Fjord colors? My second question is - did everyone do their own body clipping? Good job to whoever di it. They looked great. It is tough to do especially faces. How long before the parade was it done? Thanx, Gayle Ware Field of Dreams Eugene, OR Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Introduction and questions
This message is from: divingduoandcor...@comcast.net I have a 6'2" person helping me with my 14.1ish drafty fjord mare...his feet don't clear her girth/stomach!  I also have seen some taller than standard fjords.  I am 5'5ish and I thought a 14.2 H anything would be too small.   Try out as many as you can. I think you will be pleasantly surprised!  I rode a giant 15.2 1/2 H one and he was waay to big for my legs! I felt like I was on a 17.2 H warmblood.  Be warned you will get hooked!  :-)  I started looking for a 15 H seasoned gelding and ended with with a 14.1 H somewhat green mare that I have had since June.  I am absolutely in love.  I can't imagine life without her!  Beth, Bob, the Corgis and the Fjord (WRF Zahra aka Sophie) - Original Message - From: "Ellen Barry" To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 6:48:16 AM Subject: Re: Introduction and questions This message is from: Ellen Barry > You wrote: I am a larger woman who rode dressage for I was wondering if > Fjords are "thinking" horses (ponies?)  I kind of want something like my > foundation Shetland mentally > Any input would be welcome. > Amie in Northern California Ok, well let's try to answer that. First off: fjords are wonderful but like other breeds there is enormous variety in dispositions although most seem to be very laid back and willing. And food motivated: absolutely. don't come between a Fjord and his food. Smart?? Yes, that too. Sometimes more than is good for them. As to the suitability of the Fjord for you; that is something for you to decide after meeting several Fjords. Suitability of you for the Fjords? That is something you can determine too. You mention being a large woman. Well, I don't know how large and how well balanced on horseback. But there are formulas on the internet that you can use to calculate if you're good for the horse. They involve measuring and weighing the horse, considering bone structure etc. I guess it makes sense that if you're close to 300lbs, you don't sit on a pony that is 13.2. That's common sense. Choose the appropriate breed and within the breed, the appropriate size horse. Good luck finding your forever horse. Ellen. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH-L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH-L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Introduction and questions
This message is from: "kngould" Hi Amie: I have both; have had several of both as a matter of fact! I've noticed that their minds and personalities are quite similar in a lot of ways. My main ride is a Friesian because I'm a "big girl" and feel better on a bit more horse, although the barrel of the Fjord feels the same size. These are the only breeds I will have as I get older as they are more "thoughtful", and less reactive, plus having both a willingness to work and a desire to spend time with their humans. The Friesian is a bit more mischievous I think; as they will actually pull practical jokes on you. I have seen Friesian show horses that are quite "up" and forward, but their owners work to get them that way. Your average Friesian "pet" is just as laid back and sensible as the Fjords. All horses vary within their breeds though, and I've had, and SOLD a super reactive Fjord; a real act first, think later kind of guy that I felt was too much for me. JMHO, Kim Kim Nord Castle Ladyhawke www.castleladyhawkeweddings.com 828 894-0466 -Original Message- From: Amie Ebert Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 5:08 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: Introduction and questions This message is from: Amie Ebert Yes, they do not have the right mind -Original Message- From: kngould To: fjordhorse Sent: Wed, Jan 25, 2012 9:01 am Subject: Re: Introduction and questions This message is from: "kngould" Have you looked into Friesians? Kim Nord Castle Ladyhawke www.castleladyhawkeweddings.com 828 894-0466 -Original Message- From: Amie Ebert Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 3:11 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Introduction and questions This message is from: Amie Ebert Hi, I have had horse most of my life, and am curious about Fjords. I have liked the two I have meet, but two does not give me a good picture of a breed :) I am a larger woman who rode dressage for years, mostly on TBX's and Appys. Several years ago I fell in love with my little Shetland, switched over to Driven dressage, and after having a few bad accidents on a green horse, sold off all of my full sized fellows. Honestly they could not keep up mentally with my ponies. Now I am thinking about a saddle horse again, and have been looking for something that has that pony mind. However I do need a horse that can carry me, as well as do some low level dressage. I was wondering if Fjords are "thinking" horses (ponies?) I kind of want something like my foundation Shetland mentally: Wanting to please, food motivated, very intelligent and curious about the world around him, and loving to have a JOB. While I understand that there is some variance in breeds, I would like to know what the average Fjord is like. Any input would be welcome! Amie in Northern California Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH-L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH-L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH-L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH-L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Introduction and questions
This message is from: Amie Ebert Yes, they do not have the right mind -Original Message- From: kngould To: fjordhorse Sent: Wed, Jan 25, 2012 9:01 am Subject: Re: Introduction and questions This message is from: "kngould" Have you looked into Friesians? Kim Nord Castle Ladyhawke www.castleladyhawkeweddings.com 828 894-0466 -Original Message- From: Amie Ebert Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 3:11 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Introduction and questions This message is from: Amie Ebert Hi, I have had horse most of my life, and am curious about Fjords. I have liked the two I have meet, but two does not give me a good picture of a breed :) I am a larger woman who rode dressage for years, mostly on TBX's and Appys. Several years ago I fell in love with my little Shetland, switched over to Driven dressage, and after having a few bad accidents on a green horse, sold off all of my full sized fellows. Honestly they could not keep up mentally with my ponies. Now I am thinking about a saddle horse again, and have been looking for something that has that pony mind. However I do need a horse that can carry me, as well as do some low level dressage. I was wondering if Fjords are "thinking" horses (ponies?) I kind of want something like my foundation Shetland mentally: Wanting to please, food motivated, very intelligent and curious about the world around him, and loving to have a JOB. While I understand that there is some variance in breeds, I would like to know what the average Fjord is like. Any input would be welcome! Amie in Northern California Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH-L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH-L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH-L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Introduction and questions
This message is from: "kngould" Have you looked into Friesians? Kim Nord Castle Ladyhawke www.castleladyhawkeweddings.com 828 894-0466 -Original Message- From: Amie Ebert Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 3:11 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Introduction and questions This message is from: Amie Ebert Hi, I have had horse most of my life, and am curious about Fjords. I have liked the two I have meet, but two does not give me a good picture of a breed :) I am a larger woman who rode dressage for years, mostly on TBX's and Appys. Several years ago I fell in love with my little Shetland, switched over to Driven dressage, and after having a few bad accidents on a green horse, sold off all of my full sized fellows. Honestly they could not keep up mentally with my ponies. Now I am thinking about a saddle horse again, and have been looking for something that has that pony mind. However I do need a horse that can carry me, as well as do some low level dressage. I was wondering if Fjords are "thinking" horses (ponies?) I kind of want something like my foundation Shetland mentally: Wanting to please, food motivated, very intelligent and curious about the world around him, and loving to have a JOB. While I understand that there is some variance in breeds, I would like to know what the average Fjord is like. Any input would be welcome! Amie in Northern California Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH-L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH-L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Saddle questions
This message is from: "Sue Harrison" Hello...I haven't written in for awhile and cannot find an answer in the archives. I, too am having saddle issues. Our boys are round as apples and mutton withers. We cannot keep our saddles tight. I have used a neoprene saddle pad or a reg fleece lined pad, new leather cinch straps, nylon cinch straps and all types of belly bands...except the traditional string girth...hubby does not want to go there, thinks they would sore them? At any rate, both ponies went on a 15 mile trailride and the saddles were constantly slipping. I did not go that day, but tried to ride Pep this morning in the pasture. Hubby gave me a boost up but the saddle slipped anyway and to get it straight was impossible. I put all my weight in my right stirrup and the stupid thing stayed two inces to the left of his neck. We could not get it straight at all. Stupid thing stayed stuck right thereon sideways of course. We are using a full quarter Western Wintec. on Pep and a 1/4 full on Storn. Neither work. We live in N.B. and like Kelly, have limited saddle selection hereabouts. The saddles slip a bit when we mount and stay right there...lopsided. If we do keep them straight while mounting, they don't stay that way for long. We tie the cinch. Does anyone have any ideas for an easy inexpensive type that would work that I could probably have access to? Sue in N.B. Storm and Peppin's mom. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Saddle questions..
This message is from: "Kristen L. Andersen" Hi Kelly, Wintec makes a wonderful Australian stock saddle with an interchangeable/adjustable gullet system. It comes in a more English looking style and a more western looking one. It is super secure and super comfortable, great trail saddle that works well on my high withered boy. Also synthetic and easy to care for. Here is some more info: http://www.wintec.net.au/products/stock/stockPro.html Cheers, -Kristen On Sep 3, 2011, at 9:30 PM, Kelly Trirogoff wrote: > This message is from: Kelly Trirogoff > > > Hi all... > > I am having a heck of a time fitting a western saddle to my fjord..I have > looked through the archives, but everyone seems to be having the opposite > problem to me...I don't have a wide/ low withered fjord..My fjord is a "sporty > model" with a narrow frame, and withers ( he has a dutch back)...I have always > ridden in a wintec dressage saddle and been just fine...However now I want to > change to a western saddle (as I need the horn for security while riding with > my son) and I am having TONS of trouble getting something that fits, as his > back is short, and the whole withers/ narrow body thing...What do people do > when they have a thoroughbred and they wanna ride western? I tried the wintec > and the gullet was too wide, I tried a crates and again same problem, I have a > Santa fe on trial right now, but to me the skirt seems too long, but the > withers fit better (and it is considered a short skirt by western > standards)... > > I personally love synthetic as it is easy to clean, and light (great for me as > a busy mom), but wintec is out as the gullet is too wide so it sits right on > his withers...Does anyone have experience with Cordura, or any other synthetic > brand? I live on Vancouver Island ,BC, Canada, so my store choices are > limited...I'm feeling a little cautious about ordering one on line as you > never know what you are gonna get... > > Thanks > > Kelly and Skovy > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Saddle questions..
This message is from: Kelly Trirogoff Hi all... I am having a heck of a time fitting a western saddle to my fjord..I have looked through the archives, but everyone seems to be having the opposite problem to me...I don't have a wide/ low withered fjord..My fjord is a "sporty model" with a narrow frame, and withers ( he has a dutch back)...I have always ridden in a wintec dressage saddle and been just fine...However now I want to change to a western saddle (as I need the horn for security while riding with my son) and I am having TONS of trouble getting something that fits, as his back is short, and the whole withers/ narrow body thing...What do people do when they have a thoroughbred and they wanna ride western? I tried the wintec and the gullet was too wide, I tried a crates and again same problem, I have a Santa fe on trial right now, but to me the skirt seems too long, but the withers fit better (and it is considered a short skirt by western standards)... I personally love synthetic as it is easy to clean, and light (great for me as a busy mom), but wintec is out as the gullet is too wide so it sits right on his withers...Does anyone have experience with Cordura, or any other synthetic brand? I live on Vancouver Island ,BC, Canada, so my store choices are limited...I'm feeling a little cautious about ordering one on line as you never know what you are gonna get... Thanks Kelly and Skovy Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
New Fjord horse bought- have questions
This message is from: qhorse...@aol.com I bought a Fjord mare at an auction in California this past weekend. She looks purebred, but has a brand 506 on her neck. I was told she is about 8-10yrs old and came from Orgeon. Broke to ride and drive. Does anyone have any idea who brands Fjords on thier necks? If so what does it mean, where did she come from, etc. Any information is helpful. thank you Christie Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
More Questions about Fjords on Grass
This message is from: Bernice Blair Hi all. Its Bernice and Edie Blair from Washington DC. We are new to the list and have a question about Fjords on grass. My daughter and I have a 7-year old gelding that we purchased from Carol Rivoire about 4 years ago (BDF Titan). For the first few years that we had him, his turnout was always on dirt, so we did not need to worry about grass. Last fall we moved him to a barn in Maryland where is out on grass for 8-9 hours a day. Our vet has expressed concern about him being on Mid-Atlantic grass in the spring and summer, having seen several fjords in this area founder. Titan is on the lean side, and is not as easy a keeper as many fjords. Nevertheless, we want to be careful. We are wary of grazing muzzles - he has lost 4 halters in as many months thanks to his playful herdmates. We would welcome advice/experience/views. Thanks, Bernice and Edie Blair Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Fjord Research Questions Response
This message is from: "robin.holl...@murraystate.edu" Dear Lisa For your red colt, you can go ahead and submit a survey on the pink skin on his penis. Being that it is on an area that many owners of male horses would tend not to examine unless the markings were quite substantial, we are not focusing our research on that part of the body. We felt it might be asking too much of owners to fully examine their male horse to determine if they had pink skin. White markings on the head, legs, or other parts of the body are more easily noticed and better recorded by owners. If you have a horse that you have noticed the white skin, you may fill out a survey and we will make an account of it. Dear Jean You bring up a very interesting point about the cloned foals having different white markings. Yes, being that the two foals are clones they have identical genetic make-up, however, there is a developmental factor in the markings. When mammalian embryos are developing, pigmentation actually begins near the base of the neck on the back and radiates outward. This helps to explain why we see white markings on the legs on the lowermost portion, and moving upward. Unless you have a color breed of horse, you do not see white knees, or white elbows, or white hocks in spots, you see white hooves with the amount of white moving upward. The genes of the clones may indicate that they have a white blaze, but depending on the environment as they are developing, will determine the actual shape, even with identical twins. One foal might be closer to the uterine wall resulting in a temperature stimulus, or bump his head, or have better nutrient availability, and so forth. It is virtually impossible to have all environmental factors be equal in order to result in identical markings. Now, can the environmental factors be so great as to completely remove a trait such as a white marking? I honestly do not know, however, I do know that an individual can have the genetic makeup for a trait, and not express the trait phenotypically, this is called incomplete penetrance and is what we currently see is occurring in the Fjord with the inheritance of white markings. Thank you both very much for your interesting discussions! Any more questions, comments or concerns please feel free to contact us! And remember to visit our website at http://www.murraystate.edu/fjord_horse/ for complete information about this study! Thanks again! Robin L Holland robin.holl...@murraystate.edu 8510 Springer Hall Murray KY 42071 815/858-4042 Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Fjord Research Questions Response
This message is from: "robin.holl...@murraystate.edu" Dear Kathy and Willi I honestly have no opinion in whether or not white markings are desirable, I see them as purely a trait that some horses have and I am interested in how they are inherited. I do realize, from conversations with other individuals (in the Fjord community and other equine breed associations) that opinions do arise regarding white markings. I just want to cover all bases, and in case individuals are worried about the trait, I want everyone to know that we respect everyone’s opinions, we realize this may be a sensitive issue for some, and we will do everything to make sure that our data collected and results are as reasonable and correct as possible. Dear Bonnie “Are you referring to white markings with pink skin only?” This is an excellent question, and is one that we have been discussing for quite some time. It might be thought that if a horse has white hair, it also has pink skin, however, we know this is not always the case. At this point of our study, when we refer to white markings, we are not specifying that there must also be pink skin. The main reason we chose this route for the beginning stages of our research is for data collection. We felt it might be asking much more of individuals who have horses with white to determine whether or not they have pink skin. This might sound fairly simple, but if you have a Fjord with a smaller white marking, it becomes more difficult and it is sometimes hard to tell. This issue will definitely be addressed in the later stages of our study, but as of now, please submit a survey for any horse, even if they have white without pink skin (make a note on the survey if this is the case). “As all Fjords have white hairs. Are there certain areas of the body that would be excluded?” I would have to say that no areas of the body are excluded. If the white hairs are near 100% characteristic of the breed, for example having white in the mane/forelock/tail, and some have lighter hairs on the lower leg, then those hairs do not need to be reported. If your horse has white hairs that you do not believe are a “white marking”, go ahead and fill out a survey, describing the hairs in detail, and if you believe you know what they are from. For example, you might have a horse that has white on his neck from a reaction to an injection, or white on their head from old age, or on their back from a saddle/harness not fitting right, or even from an injury. We realize that white hairs arise from a variety of means, and if you submit a survey saying your horse has white hairs on his shoulder, we’re not going to automatically define a new type of marking if all other evidence supports the marking resulting from an injection, injury, wear, age, etc. So if the white hairs are typical of the Fjord (mane, forelock, tail) those do not have to be submitted, but if you have a horse with white hairs on another location, go ahead and submit it, more information is always better than less information in our research. “How much area or hairs counts as a white marking?” It’s hard to define exactly a “white marking”, therefore, for our research, if you see any white hairs/markings, go ahead and submit a survey, just write a description on the markings/hairs and what you believe they might be the result of. “If colored hairs and white hairs are mixed does that count?” Once again, another excellent question. If you look at different breeds of horses that have large white markings over their body, you might notice that between the areas of white and color there is a small “blended” area. I did speak to a molecular biologist professor here at Murray State a while back about areas of depigmentation, and one explanation he offered was a sort of progression of the markings throughout a lineage. Once again, this was a while back and I do not remember exactly the detail s of the inheritance or origination on the cellular scale of these areas. I would say that if the colored hairs and the white hairs are mixed, it would count for this part of our study. Once again, go ahead and submit a survey with a description of the markings. If we receive surveys saying that a Fjord has a few white hairs and the owner is unsure about where they came from, or if they have an area where white hairs and colored hairs are mixed without a solid white area, we will mark them on our pedigree, but we will not compare them directly with individuals who have conclusive white stars, blazes, socks etc. If it comes to a point that it is key for us to know exactly what type of marking an individual has (that has a white hairs/colored hairs combination), we will contact the owner/breeder for more information. I would like to say thank you all so much for your questions, input, and help! This is all so wonderful for the progression of our research! If you have any questions, comments, or concerns, please contact us and we will be more than happy to help
WAS: Senior Feed Question NOW: Fjord longevity questions
This message is from: "jen frame" wow Jean! I am impressed with the ages of your two old Fjords! I guess it never occured to me that they could/would live that long, and it makes me so happy to know that I'll have many years with my beloved Fjord who is 10 years old now! Your post brings up another question for me: perhaps yours are living so long because your climate is similar to the climate they naturaly came from? Any ideas about that? Maybe our fjords kept in warmer climates won't live as long? And another question: how long were you able to ride and drive them, before retiring them from activity? Thanks! Jen On 12/11/08, Vic Faeo wrote: > This message is from: Vic Faeo She is 31, and can still eat some hay He is 33. I like the Nutrena Senior Lilfe because it doesn't have Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Questions from the Newbie
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <> Always a tough issue at my barn because a lot of time I *want* them in my personal space (I can just feel the eye-rolling from my more experienced Fjord owner/breeder friends). Little Joe is also a sensitive sort, he reacts really well to my thinking of pinning my ears back and glaring at him. Della is not so sensitive, and when she gets pesky, I have to up the ante and do not hesitate to get more physical. That typically means a sharp elbow to block the approach, or maybe a knee or foot. Not a kick, but a block. And if they don't get out of the way, then they do get contact. I have gotten comfortable with the fact that it would be virtually impossible for me to inflict physical damage to them, so it's really an intention game. To get them out of my space from more of a distance, I like to carry a stick or rope. I have rarely made contact with it, in fact, I don't think it has ever taken a touch to Joe. But Della has been bopped a couple of times for trying to charge past me instead of giving me a wider berth. <> For my rope halters, Della can wear a horse size, Joe has to wear a warmblood size. The only leather halters I have ever had fit are the ones I have custom made by Rocking K Fjords. Kate with Joe and Della **Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut000507) The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Questions from the Newbie
This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Heather Baskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 1.� How do you inoffensively (i.e., he is "sensitive") get a Fjord out of > your personal space?� My arms are getting tired from the "chicken dance".� > Henry responds well to the chicken dance (me flapping the boundaries of my > personal space without "contact"), but it does get tiresome - LOL� any > other suggestions?� Clicker training! With a "sensitive" equine, sending him away makes him feel insecure, so he immediately wants to come back and "cuddle up with Mommy" for comfort. It is more effective to reward him when he is doing the RIGHT thing. First, establish that CLICK (a mechanical clicker, a tongue TOCK-sound, a word like YES!, or whatever sound you can make easily, quickly, and repeatably) means that you're very happy with him, and that the sound will immediately be followed by a small treat. A good first behavior to teach is to have him turn his nose away from you. And, make sure that you feed the treat with his head in the away position---don't inadvertently lure his face into the cookie jar! Then, gradually "increase duration"---he has to turn his head away and HOLD it away for a second to earn the click/treat, then two seconds, etc. After you're sure that he has the idea, go to "random reinforcement"---sometimes reward a second, sometimes 5, or 10, or 15, but vary your requirements. The idea is to make him "gamble" that, if he stays away another few seconds, that will earn his reward. Now, start asking him to stand a little further from you. This is a new task, so you will need to go back to reinforcing him soon and often, at first. Then, gradually increase how long he has to stand there, etc. But, again, make sure that you take the treat to him, vs letting him come to you for it! Now, work on having him stay a little further away---but increase distance OR duration, NOT both at once! > 2.� What "size" halter are you using?� Henry is 2 years old and the > Horse halter "just" fits him, it could fit better!� I never knew how > big his jowls were, until now.� I tried a "horse" fly mask and that was > a bust.� Had to return it for a "large" size. My Fjords have been at the large end of the breed standard. The smallest one (14.1hh) can squeeze into Large Horse halters and fly masks; the others (14.2 and 14.3hh) needed Extra Large. Yes, Fjords have a wide forehead (for containing extra brain cells) and a big jowl (the better to chew anything that resembles food) Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] anything that can go wrong, will! 15 mi SW of Roseburg, Oregon The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Questions from the Newbie
This message is from: Heather Baskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 1. How do you inoffensively (i.e., he is "sensitive") get a Fjord out of your personal space? My arms are getting tired from the "chicken dance". Henry responds well to the chicken dance (me flapping the boundaries of my personal space without "contact"), but it does get tiresome - LOL any other suggestions? 2. What "size" halter are you using? Henry is 2 years old and the Horse halter "just" fits him, it could fit better! I never knew how big his jowls were, until now. I tried a "horse" fly mask and that was a bust. Had to return it for a "large" size. That's it for the newbie questions for now. Heather http://digilass.wordpress.com <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FjordIssues/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FjordIssues/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ __ Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Fw: ADS Harness Questions
This message is from: "safreivald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I don't remember which list this question/comment came from--that synthetic harness was not acceptable at an ADS sanctioned show, and since I have SEEN synthetic harness at ADS sanctioned shows, thought it worth while to go to the "horses mouth" so to speak and query ADS on the matter. Here is the answer I have received. Sue F. - Original Message - From: Susan Koos Acker To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 10:36 AM Subject: ADS Harness Questions Hi Sue, Synthetic harness is perfectly acceptable in ADS recognized shows, in fact many competitors in CDE events use Zilco or Biothane harnesses in all phases of the competition as it looks just like leather. You do not see a strictly nylon harness, especially in a bright colors, it's just not very traditional. What is most important is that your harness fits well and is safe for you and your horse. Hope this helps, Susie Susie Koos Acker Executive Director, American Driving Society PO Box 278 Cross Plains, WI 53528 608-237-7382 Fax: 608-237-6468 - AM The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: what is the scoop on butt-high Fjords? Nad other conforamtion questions
This message is from: Sarah Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jen, when I started looking for Fjords, I too noticed how many are croup high. My previous experience was with thoroughbreds and warmbloods who mostly have high withers. (the Tb dorsal fin as one friend calls it.) Too high a wither can also be a fault as it makes saddle placement as difficult as mutton withers, but I suspect nobody deliberately breeds for a downhill conformation, but instead as you must select for other traits too you have to make a choice. I have deliberately selected uphill horses for my breeding program, and I intend to get my mares evaluated, so I will see how they fair. As for as the throat latch thing goes, it is determined in part by how wide the jawbones are apart in relation to the thickness of the neck. Put a sugar cube against her neck, and you will quickly see how much flexion you can get! I haven't had any difficulty with any of mine flexing enough to come on the bit. BTW a "vertical nose" isn't really the point anyway, the point is the horse to be on the aids, soft in the jaw and stretched over the top line. Is this a common fault found in the conformation of many Fjords? Do some people actually deliberately breed to get a butt-high horse? I thought I saw that mentioned once in a post. Or is it just a fault? Now a question about that thick Fjord throat latch. All my horsie friends, who are non-Fjord owners, take one look at her thick throat latch and say that ofcourse she will never be able to flex at the poll and have ner nose vertical. - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
what is the scoop on butt-high Fjords? Nad other conforamtion questions
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I bought my Fjord mare at the end of October. I was so incredibly smitten with her during the week long trial stay at my place that her previous owner so generously allowed (even sudggested and delivered the mare to me!) and I was so stunned by her bulk, that I never noticed that she is higher in the butt than at the withers. Suddenly 2 days ago I was given a pasture mate for Splendora, and the two horses couldn't be more different. Splendora is a Fjord, and her new pasture mate is a Paso Fino! So we kind of have a Yin and Yang in the pasture now! Comparing the two makes me see that Splendora is butt-high. Is this a common fault found in the conformation of many Fjords? Do some people actually deliberately breed to get a butt-high horse? I thought I saw that mentioned once in a post. Or is it just a fault? Now a question about that thick Fjord throat latch. All my horsie friends, who are non-Fjord owners, take one look at her thick throat latch and say that ofcourse she will never be able to flex at the poll and have ner nose vertical. But I have seen a number of photos of dressage Fjords who do flex at the poll. I thought that was a matter of training, and not conformation(i.e. a horse must be taught to give to bit pressure, shift their weight toward their back end, and flex at the poll) Am I wrong? Do most Fjords just carry their heads with their noses out? And I suspect that a butt-high horse would have a harder time shifting their weight backwards... Anyhow, if anybody can enlighten me on the butt-high issue, and whether people try to get it, or just handle it if it shows up, I would appreciate that! And if I can send anyone a pic of my Splendora to show what I am refering to, please tell me if that is OK. I am asuming that we can not post pics to the list--yes? Thanks!! Jen The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Questions about Fjords
This message is from: "Chris McMahon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Bits: I use a nice quality broken snaffle with full cheeks to ride, and a #32 Myler with copper inlays to drive. Elph goes very well in each. I had been using a French link for driving, but when I switched to the Myler the difference was immediate and visible. Pasturing: if your horse has a companion that they are happy with, why put them in with others? I had a boarding situation where my horse was in with a bunch of Arabs. The hay got dumped out, and he stood there and ate himself silly while they flew around the pasture. In my current situation he is in a nice sized dry lot with a couple of bossy mares, gets hay three times a day but two of those three times he is by himself (so he gets the right amount) and the other time is with what we like to call "busy hay." In the summer they get turned out to pasture, and he either goes with them in a grazing muzzle or stays in with his busy hay. He is now svelte, fit, healthy and happy. Before he was a real tub coming out of winter, and could never shed the weight because he was put out on pasture. Portable fencing: I wouldn't trust anything but electric - Fjords are smart! Another choice if you have a big trailer is round pen sections - they are strong and you can make a stall size structure pretty quickly. Hierarchy: Elph is in with bossy mares, I figure they help me keep his ego in check. When he is with geldings he works hard to become the king of the pile. I think each horse has an individual nature. Other horses: Again, individual nature. He loves going to the shows and seeing all the other Fjords. However, he really doesn't like the tall ones, or the white ones (and especially not the tall, white ones!) With other breeds he tolerates just about anything, but especially likes dun colored horses like himself. However, his current crush is a nice little black Morgan gal. Go figure . . . We took our first jumping lesson on Sunday, what a hoot! Now I know what everyone is grinning about. Can't wait to try it again. Have a nice holiday everyone! Tish and Elph in Minneapolis The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: I just bought my first Fjord! Many questions:
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Cherie, I have a friend here in Texas who is a Sensation Treeless dealer, so I may ask her if I can take one on trial basis. But I am about to spend so much money on a driving harness and cart for my new Fjord, that I can't really justify buying a new riding saddle too! I love my Treeless Freeform saddles (I have two and love them both--different styles) so I'll just get them to work on my Fjord! Jen On 10/22/07, Cherie Mascis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: "Cherie Mascis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > ride him in a Barefoot Treeless saddle. We both love the thing. Very > > comfortable, solidly built, not to horribly expensive, all useful > qualities. > > While I don't use stirrups, the saddle does have easily accessible > places > > to hang them. Like all other treeless saddles, your probably going to > have > > to consider dropping a big invenstment in a pretty high end pad to > > distribute weight from posting (I don't post, either). Shawna > > >>I was riding my new Fjord in a Little Joe Saddle pad with stirrups, > >>but yesterday I managed to get my Treeless saddle called "Freewest" by > >>Freeform (Italian made treeless saddle that I love, with pad called > >>"Haf Pad" made for it to give spine clearance) to work well on my > >>mutton withered gal! > > > The Sensation treeless saddles with Skito or Equipedic pads work well on > fjords too. I love mine! > They were designed by an endurance rider and have a stirrup setting called > "hard use" that helps > to distribute the weight of two=point or posting. > > Cherie > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: I just bought my first Fjord! Many questions:
This message is from: "Lola Lahr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I love my freeform saddle on my wide little norwegian fjord girls! On 10/22/07, jen frame <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Hi Shawna, > I was riding my new Fjord in a Little Joe Saddle pad with stirrups, > but yesterday I managed to get my Treeless saddle called "Freewest" by > Freeform (Italian made treeless saddle that I love, with pad called > "Haf Pad" made for it to give spine clearance) to work well on my > mutton withered gal! I think that with a little more adjusting it > will work well and I won't have to worry about putting pressure on her > spine, nor will I have to buy yet another saddle! > Thanks for your input, > Jen > > On 10/22/07, Shawna B. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This message is from: "Shawna B." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Hello Jen. > > > > The no withers thing might not go away with conditioning. My Fjord > Gelding > > is just mutton withers (as in doesn't really have any). That being > said, I > > ride him in a Barefoot Treeless saddle. We both love the thing. Very > > comfortable, solidly built, not to horribly expensive, all useful > qualities. > > While I don't use sturrips, the saddle does have easily accessable > places > > to hang them. Like all other treeless saddles, your probably going to > have > > to consider dropping a big invenstment in a pretty high end pad to > > distribute weight from posting (I don't post, either). > > > > But, my two cents, and the saddle I use. > > > > Regards, > > Shawna (Human) and SF Atom (Fjord) > > > > > > >Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 10:48:13 -0500 > > >From: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Subject:I just bought my first Fjord! Many questions: > > > > > >This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Hi, my name is Jen, and I am an addict. > > > More acurately: I am OBSESSED with my new Fjord mare. I am madly > > >inlove with her and have many questions for you seasoned Fjord owners. > > >1). I am riding her in a bareback pad called the Little Joe pad which > > >has the ability to attatch english stirrups and leather. I post the > > >trot and am worried that a bareback pad may not give her enough relief > > >from the pressure the posting creates. Can anyone tell me what kind of > > >saddle or treeless saddle they use on their Fjords? Mine is quite the > > >Chunky Monkey right now--no withers at all! I prefer to ride in > > >treeless saddles... > > > > _ > > Get a FREE Web site and more from Microsoft Office Live Small Business! > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/aub0930004958mrt/direct/01/ > > > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: I just bought my first Fjord! Many questions:
This message is from: "Cherie Mascis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > ride him in a Barefoot Treeless saddle. We both love the thing. Very > comfortable, solidly built, not to horribly expensive, all useful qualities. > While I don't use stirrups, the saddle does have easily accessible places > to hang them. Like all other treeless saddles, your probably going to have > to consider dropping a big invenstment in a pretty high end pad to > distribute weight from posting (I don't post, either). Shawna >>I was riding my new Fjord in a Little Joe Saddle pad with stirrups, >>but yesterday I managed to get my Treeless saddle called "Freewest" by >>Freeform (Italian made treeless saddle that I love, with pad called >>"Haf Pad" made for it to give spine clearance) to work well on my >>mutton withered gal! The Sensation treeless saddles with Skito or Equipedic pads work well on fjords too. I love mine! They were designed by an endurance rider and have a stirrup setting called "hard use" that helps to distribute the weight of two=point or posting. Cherie The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: I just bought my first Fjord! Many questions:
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Shawna, I was riding my new Fjord in a Little Joe Saddle pad with stirrups, but yesterday I managed to get my Treeless saddle called "Freewest" by Freeform (Italian made treeless saddle that I love, with pad called "Haf Pad" made for it to give spine clearance) to work well on my mutton withered gal! I think that with a little more adjusting it will work well and I won't have to worry about putting pressure on her spine, nor will I have to buy yet another saddle! Thanks for your input, Jen On 10/22/07, Shawna B. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: "Shawna B." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Hello Jen. > > The no withers thing might not go away with conditioning. My Fjord Gelding > is just mutton withers (as in doesn't really have any). That being said, I > ride him in a Barefoot Treeless saddle. We both love the thing. Very > comfortable, solidly built, not to horribly expensive, all useful qualities. > While I don't use sturrips, the saddle does have easily accessable places > to hang them. Like all other treeless saddles, your probably going to have > to consider dropping a big invenstment in a pretty high end pad to > distribute weight from posting (I don't post, either). > > But, my two cents, and the saddle I use. > > Regards, > Shawna (Human) and SF Atom (Fjord) > > > >Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 10:48:13 -0500 > >From: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject:I just bought my first Fjord! Many questions: > > > >This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Hi, my name is Jen, and I am an addict. > > More acurately: I am OBSESSED with my new Fjord mare. I am madly > >inlove with her and have many questions for you seasoned Fjord owners. > >1). I am riding her in a bareback pad called the Little Joe pad which > >has the ability to attatch english stirrups and leather. I post the > >trot and am worried that a bareback pad may not give her enough relief > >from the pressure the posting creates. Can anyone tell me what kind of > >saddle or treeless saddle they use on their Fjords? Mine is quite the > >Chunky Monkey right now--no withers at all! I prefer to ride in > >treeless saddles... > > _ > Get a FREE Web site and more from Microsoft Office Live Small Business! > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/aub0930004958mrt/direct/01/ > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: I just bought my first Fjord! Many questions:
This message is from: "Shawna B." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello Jen. The no withers thing might not go away with conditioning. My Fjord Gelding is just mutton withers (as in doesn't really have any). That being said, I ride him in a Barefoot Treeless saddle. We both love the thing. Very comfortable, solidly built, not to horribly expensive, all useful qualities. While I don't use sturrips, the saddle does have easily accessable places to hang them. Like all other treeless saddles, your probably going to have to consider dropping a big invenstment in a pretty high end pad to distribute weight from posting (I don't post, either). But, my two cents, and the saddle I use. Regards, Shawna (Human) and SF Atom (Fjord) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 10:48:13 -0500 From: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject:I just bought my first Fjord! Many questions: > This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi, my name is Jen, and I am an addict. More acurately: I am OBSESSED with my new Fjord mare. I am madly inlove with her and have many questions for you seasoned Fjord owners. 1). I am riding her in a bareback pad called the Little Joe pad which has the ability to attatch english stirrups and leather. I post the trot and am worried that a bareback pad may not give her enough relief from the pressure the posting creates. Can anyone tell me what kind of saddle or treeless saddle they use on their Fjords? Mine is quite the Chunky Monkey right now--no withers at all! I prefer to ride in treeless saddles... _ Get a FREE Web site and more from Microsoft Office Live Small Business! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/aub0930004958mrt/direct/01/ The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: I just bought my first Fjord! Many questions:
This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 2). She is overweight and the wonderful woman I bought her from kept a > grazing muzzle on her during the day, and dry lot at night. She does > not have a cresty neck, nor any scary fat pads at her tail head or > over her shoulders, so I am wondering if I can take the muzzle OF her > since she is much happier grazing. If the previous owner had a grazing muzzle on her, and you still think that she is overweight, I would probably leave the grazing muzzle in place. Yes, Fjords are much happier if they can eat more---but their metabolisms are geared to save every spare calorie for later. If you decide to try a period of time without the grazing muzzle, first measure her heart-girth (just behind the withers and elbow) and rib-girth (widest part of the ribs), and record it on the calendar. Then, redo those measurements under the same conditions (same time of day, same stance, etc) every week. If you see the numbers trending upward, then she's getting too much grass. In general, it is far easier to keep a Fjord's weight down than to try to take the weight back off, again! > 3). She gets REALLY PUSHY when I give her treats, so I think I will > stop giving them. But the question is: is this pushiness a > Fjord/coldblood thing, or just her individual personality? Fjords will generally be just as pushy as they think they can get away with. She is checking out where she fits in your hierarchy. Be aware that, if you aren't the Boss Mare, she will take on that role. Some Fjords are naturally polite about treats; others have to be taught the skill. If you're worried about your fingers, get a small cheap pair of pliers, and use that to deliver treats. It saves wear and tear on fingers, and gives the equine some feedback that the "fast chomp" technique has drawbacks. Or, feed treats via the grazing muzzle. My husband's Fjord gelding was a treat snatcher for years. With his grazing muzzle in place, he can only get the treat if he nibbles delicately at it as it comes in thru the hole at the bottom. (He gets a piece of a horse cookie for putting his muzzle on in his pen, before going out to pasture, and 1.5 hours later, another treat for coming to the barn door to have the muzzle taken off as he goes back into his pen.) When we got past the high-sugar grass season this spring, I stopped using the grazing muzzle for the summer---and found that he continued to gently nibble his treats, vs snatching at them. > 4). I don't clicker train my other two horses (they are Tennessee > Walking Horses) but am wondering if Clicker training is for some > reason a particularly great thing to do with Fjords? Fjords are highly motivated by food! One thing to be aware of is that Fjords generally have more subtle body language than you may be used to in other breeds. You will have to watch them more closely, to see the beginnings of a "try". And, you may have to "tone down" your body language around them, to keep from "challenging" them more than you intended. Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] anything that can go wrong, will! 15 mi SW of Roseburg, Oregon The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: I just bought my first Fjord! Many questions:
This message is from: "Gail Russell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> You can quickly train her to take treats politely using clicker training. 3). She gets REALLY PUSHY when I give her treats, so I think I will stop giving them. But the question is: is this pushiness a Fjord/coldblood thing, or just her individual personality? 4). I don't clicker train my other two horses (they are Tennessee Walking Horses) but am wondering if Clicker training is for some reason a particularly great thing to do with Fjords? They are highly food motivated, unlike some horses. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
I just bought my first Fjord! Many questions:
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi, my name is Jen, and I am an addict. More acurately: I am OBSESSED with my new Fjord mare. I am madly inlove with her and have many questions for you seasoned Fjord owners. 1). I am riding her in a bareback pad called the Little Joe pad which has the ability to attatch english stirrups and leather. I post the trot and am worried that a bareback pad may not give her enough relief from the pressure the posting creates. Can anyone tell me what kind of saddle or treeless saddle they use on their Fjords? Mine is quite the Chunky Monkey right now--no withers at all! I prefer to ride in treeless saddles... 2). She is overweight and the wonderful woman I bought her from kept a grazing muzzle on her during the day, and dry lot at night. She does not have a cresty neck, nor any scary fat pads at her tail head or over her shoulders, so I am wondering if I can take the muzzle OF her since she is much happier grazing. Right now she is on a long (i.e. not recently mowed) Bahia Grass pasture. I don't know a lot about Bahia but I think it is high roughage and very little protein. I'm not sure about the sugar and starch content thoughin any case, do any of you out there have a CHUNKY Fjord and and keep them UN muzzled? 3). She gets REALLY PUSHY when I give her treats, so I think I will stop giving them. But the question is: is this pushiness a Fjord/coldblood thing, or just her individual personality? 4). I don't clicker train my other two horses (they are Tennessee Walking Horses) but am wondering if Clicker training is for some reason a particularly great thing to do with Fjords? 5). Any reccomendations on a good synthetic harness for driving her that is not way too expensive? I have looked into Camptown, Yonies, and Zilco. Any preferences? 6). Anybody have a cart or carraige for sale that would fit a 13.2 hand Fjord? Thanks in advance for all the info!!! I am sure that I will have a zillion more questions... Jen Frame The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Stupid baby questions
This message is from: Kimberly Kinney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Good morning List! Thanks for all the advice and encouragement with my orphan foal Hyndla. We have had a couple "well baby" checks now with our equine specialist and he is VERY pleased with her physical progress. She is 15 days old today. He seems especially pleased with her manners. She stands quietly for his exams and leads like a dream. I told him my trainer speaks "horse" and "Momma mare" and has been teaching me how to teach and discipline her. I was warned, and actually listened for once, about the dangers of letting her grow up spoiled. My stupid baby questions: 1) When do their eyes change from blue/bluish to brown? Hers are still blue. 2) She is a Brown dun. Is there any hint at this time of her future colouring? Can I tell if she will be a darker/lighter brown, or leg stripping? Is the stripping I think I see on her legs a figment of my imagination? 3) She has nice dark rings around her eyes. Are these rings indicative of what her future face colour may be? 4) When do babies usually get their first hair cut? If attending a Fjord show? The farrier is coming today and she'll get her first "trim". I'm betting that'll be exciting! Thank you everyone again, your support was wonderful during this time!!! Best wishes from (FINALLY) sunny Oregon, Kimberly and Megan Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Medical Questions
This message is from: Steve A White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Taffy, 3300 is low. She could have a colitis. Did she develop diarrhea? What was her temp? How were the gut sounds? Steve White, DVM Gretna, NE The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Medical Questions
This message is from: Robin Churchill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I don't know about horses but in people you can't really interpret total calcium levels without knowing the albumin level as well since most calcium is protein bound. At any rate, 10.5 shouldn't be anything to worry about since it is only slightly low. That WBC would be low for a dog,cat,horse or person so I doubt fjords are different but if any vets know otherwise, chime in. In people, a WBC of that level would most commonly be associated with viral suppression of the bone marrow but other reasons are of course possible. I think the most important thing would be to follow her labs and make sure things resolve and do not continue to worsen. Robin in Florida where it was 87 and humid today and with no air conditioning due to faulty installation of our newly installed system --- fjords <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: "fjords" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > My 15 yr. old mare hasnt been herself so I had a > vet check and blood > drawn yesterday. Her white cell count came back at > 3300 and according to my > vet the normal range is 6000-12000. Her calcium > level came back at 10.5 and > the vet says the normal range is 11 ½ - 14. > > > > Is the normal range for a Fjord different than for > other breeds? > > > > Taffy Mercer > > Kennewick, WA > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Medical Questions
This message is from: "jgayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Taffey hopefully your mare may be like Gunnar, a victim of a very hard winter. I just fed him as always and then later noted the sunken appearance in front of the hip bones. With such winter hair that is about the best one can do other than by feel. It was a shock to feel ribs. So after the Vet took blood samples which can alarm a Fjord owner, I upped his feed, added grain and supplements and he is quite attractive today!!! The Vet had thought he had a tumor because of the readings. Well, he may have a tumor but he is sleek and his usual grumpy self now with about 75-100 lbs added. Jean Gayle Author 'The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 to 1949 Send: $20 to Three Horse's Press 7403 Blaine Rd Aberdeen, WA 98520 The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Medical Questions
This message is from: "fjords" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> My 15 yr. old mare hasnt been herself so I had a vet check and blood drawn yesterday. Her white cell count came back at 3300 and according to my vet the normal range is 6000-12000. Her calcium level came back at 10.5 and the vet says the normal range is 11 ½ - 14. Is the normal range for a Fjord different than for other breeds? Taffy Mercer Kennewick, WA The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: Happy New Fjord Owner. But several Questions
This message is from: "Jacquelyn Leuener" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: Happy New Fjord Owner. But several Questions Dear Liz: Congratulations on your new Fjord! You asked, "Are fjords generally susceptible to sweet itch?" For some genetic reason I think perhaps they. Climate conditions matter of course. Karen's mare mentioned (my superstar,Idelle) was in my care for many months and I tried all sorts of topical products for her itch. We finally had to administer steroids because she had scratched off most of her tail & mane. A full cover fly sheet for the summer/buggy months will help as well. I also had a fjord gelding with me at that same time but he only had a very mild case. It is an allergic reaction to the midge. If a horse has it badly, the below are simply a preventative measure and certainly won't cure sweet itch. The topical products did give some relief to Idelle, Imille & Elko however. *Garlic powder in the feed-daily Springtime Inc. (US company) *Aromaitch by Aromesse (UK company) *LPC-Espace shampoo & roll on fly repellent (France company) -Jacquelyn Washoe Valley, NV The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: Happy New Fjord Owner. But several Questions
This message is from: "Gail Russell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Karen McCarthy has one Fjord that has sweet itch pretty badly. I believe her dam did as well. Karen is busy moving, so will probably not chime in. I believe my Fjords are less susceptible to mud fever. They certainly do not get rain rot like some of the other horses. Gail -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Codynfliffi Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 12:21 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Happy New Fjord Owner. But several Questions This message is from: "Codynfliffi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I've had Quest my rising 3 year old now 3 weeks. He was imported from France. He is fantastic. Coming along nicely. Makes a new friend every day equine, canine or human. Got a couple of questions though. Are fjords generally susceptible to mud fever Are fjords generally susceptible to sweet itch Is there any breed specific ailments to watch out for Is there any good fjord books I can buy that will teach me much more about this fantastic breed I am based in the UK . Many thanks Liz Ostacchini The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Happy New Fjord Owner. But several Questions
This message is from: "Codynfliffi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I've had Quest my rising 3 year old now 3 weeks. He was imported from France. He is fantastic. Coming along nicely. Makes a new friend every day equine, canine or human. Got a couple of questions though. Are fjords generally susceptible to mud fever Are fjords generally susceptible to sweet itch Is there any breed specific ailments to watch out for Is there any good fjord books I can buy that will teach me much more about this fantastic breed I am based in the UK . Many thanks Liz Ostacchini The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: HOOOORAY they're home!! (new Fjords) & a few questions too
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yeah, I agree with Jean Ernest. Give the horses some time to settle in, then see how Trygg acts. He may just be insecure being so new right now. Ceili was not an "only" horse either -- she grew up in a herd of about 10 horses in 24/7 turnout. Ceili's half brothers Draoi (dree) and Rogan grew up with her in the same environment. They are all pretty good about being alone, especially Rogan -- he is utterly indifferent. Draoi doesn't really put up much of a fuss -- he's about like Ceili. Other horses in our herd are not that way, however, so I think maybe it's something in the genes these three have inherited. I can't really put my finger on anything in their upbringing that would make them more independent than any of our other horses -- they're just that way by nature. As far as food goes: In the spring and early summer, our horses get turned out to pasture only for part of the day -- preferably in the morning when the sugars in the grass are lower. The rest of the time, they hang out in a large dry lot area (aka "mud lot" when it's been raining!) We also use a rotational grazing system during that time of the year to limit the amount of pasture the horses are able to graze. This also helps to control their calorie intake as well as being kinder to the pasture grasses. Later in the summer, the horses pretty much get the run of our entire 10 acres of pasture. I have never used grazing muzzles -- I would rather manage my horses' calorie intake by limiting their time on pasture. But we live with our horses on the same property, and we're home enough during the day to make this a practical option. If I was working long hours away from home or lived away from where my horses were, I might consider using grazing muzzles. I'd rather do that, if my only other option was keeping my horses cooped up in a small area where they really can't run and play. DeeAnna The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: HOOOORAY they're home!! (new Fjords) & a few questions too
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Remember you just got them home and they are in a strange place! It will take a while for Trygg to feel "safe" and comfortable in this new place so it may resolve itself If you do separate them occasionally Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, partly sunny and warm for October: 45 degrees I do have two others around at the moment, although I have kept them totally separated so far to keep their stress levels down (as they just had a 2 day drive home). Trygg is fine if he's stalled and she's out with me, but if he's out by himself he isn't a happy camper. He just trots circles around the barn (built into pasture) calling for the others. He did come from a herd w/ 7 or so other horses and they were on 24/7 turnout The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: HOOOORAY they're home!! (new Fjords) & a few questions too
This message is from: Stephanie McLean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I do have two others around at the moment, although I have kept them totally separated so far to keep their stress levels down (as they just had a 2 day drive home). Trygg is fine if he's stalled and she's out with me, but if he's out by himself he isn't a happy camper. He just trots circles around the barn (built into pasture) calling for the others. He did come from a herd w/ 7 or so other horses and they were on 24/7 turnout - Original Message From: Sarah Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Wednesday, October 4, 2006 1:34:56 PM Subject: Re: HRAY they're home!! (new Fjords) & a few questions too This message is from: Sarah Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Stephanie McLean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 2. Trygg is already (as I mentioned above) quite attached to Ceili, should I discourage this? I don't really want him to be nutty if I want to ride him out by himself. She doesn't care so much about him. I brought her up from the field so the farrier could work on her and as soon as he realized she was gone he promptly came trotting up behind us. We actually had to keep her in eyesight while he was trimmed so that he would stand quietly. Stephanie, do you only have the 2 horses and no others around? I have seen this situation before and it can be quite a problem, especially if you want to take one on a trail or something without the other. I think you need to separate Trygg from Ceili periodically and let him have his little temper tantrum. (Obviously the time to do this is NOT while you're having him shod.) I once had to take a pass on an otherwise great pony for the kids because the owner had always let the pony come along where ever she took her other horse. When I asked to see how the pony was without the horse around and they took the horse out of eyesight of the pony, the pony went nuts. Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: HOOOORAY they're home!! (new Fjords) & a few questions too
This message is from: Sarah Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Stephanie McLean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 2. Trygg is already (as I mentioned above) quite attached to Ceili, should I discourage this? I don't really want him to be nutty if I want to ride him out by himself. She doesn't care so much about him. I brought her up from the field so the farrier could work on her and as soon as he realized she was gone he promptly came trotting up behind us. We actually had to keep her in eyesight while he was trimmed so that he would stand quietly. Stephanie, do you only have the 2 horses and no others around? I have seen this situation before and it can be quite a problem, especially if you want to take one on a trail or something without the other. I think you need to separate Trygg from Ceili periodically and let him have his little temper tantrum. (Obviously the time to do this is NOT while you're having him shod.) I once had to take a pass on an otherwise great pony for the kids because the owner had always let the pony come along where ever she took her other horse. When I asked to see how the pony was without the horse around and they took the horse out of eyesight of the pony, the pony went nuts. Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: intro and questions
This message is from: "Mary love" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> if any one is looking for great tack!!! the two tacky ladies in washington state is great and she will get trees on saddles bent to fit and special orders drop shipped to your door any weare!! her name ie evelyn fredrickson and her #is 360 678 3224... just tell her that mary love told you about her shop!!! she is a great lady for just abput any thing!!!oh and the prices . cant be beat I just got an endurance saddle there the whole set for 350.00 that was saddle greth irons and leathers!!! great shop mary love - Original Message - From: oe Wilson<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com<mailto:fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com> Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 3:53 PM Subject: Re: intro and questions This message is from: "oe Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> Hi Kim We ordered a harness from camptown. The lady that now owns the business is named Margaret. I can't remember her last name. Her number is 1800-717-0957. She is very knowledgable and tells you exactly which measurements she needs. The harnesses are beautiful. We had Jeff Pedersen try them on his team and they are great. We have a single driving harness for our buggy and a farm harness with hames for heavy pulling. These were made by a local harness maker. Good luck Pat and OE Wilson Uff Da Fjords Hyde Park, UT
Re: intro and questions
This message is from: "oe Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Kim We ordered a harness from camptown. The lady that now owns the business is named Margaret. I can't remember her last name. Her number is 1800-717-0957. She is very knowledgable and tells you exactly which measurements she needs. The harnesses are beautiful. We had Jeff Pedersen try them on his team and they are great. We have a single driving harness for our buggy and a farm harness with hames for heavy pulling. These were made by a local harness maker. Good luck Pat and OE Wilson Uff Da Fjords Hyde Park, UT
Re: intro and questions
This message is from: "Russ and Laurie Lamb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Also, surely you know Dave has moved out to the West Coast now! Oregon I think. That would be NW Washington, Jean. Laurie
Re: intro and questions
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Peg, You haven't heard? Dave no longer makes harness..But Camptown Harness is still in business, I forget who has it now, but they still have great harness. Also, surely you know Dave has moved out to the West Coast now! Oregon I think. Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, cloudy and cool this morning. Dave Mc Wethy makes harness specifically for Fjords [and other breeds]. He does wonderful work.
Re: intro and questions
This message is from: "Douglas Knutsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Welcome Kim, Dave Mc Wethy makes harness specifically for Fjords [and other breeds]. He does wonderful work. Good luck, Peg Knutsen www.elltel.net/kffjord/ - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 6:51 AM Subject: intro and questions This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi. I am new to this list. I just bought my first Fjord last week. I haven't even gotten him home yet, but I am extremely excited. I have several questions...1) which harness is prefered? regular pleasure harness or the kind with hames? 2) is there someone who makes harnesses specifically for Fjords? 3) because Fjords are long-lived, does that mean they are slow to mature? what age do people generally start to ride and/or drive their Fjords? Kim Horn in VA
Re: intro and questions
This message is from: Carol Makosky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi. I am new to this list. I just bought my first Fjord last week. I haven't even gotten him home yet, but I am extremely excited. I have several questions...1) which harness is prefered? regular pleasure harness or the kind with hames? This depends on what you are going to be doing and what kind of vehicle you will be using. 2) is there someone who makes harnesses specifically for Fjords? Camptown Harness 3) because Fjords are long-lived, does that mean they are slow to mature? I believe they are very usable at 5 for starting to ride a lot and earlier for driving. I can send you a very detailed report on how all horses mature and why it is important to let them fully develope before using hard. what age do people generally start to ride and/or drive their Fjords? I am driving my 3yr. old, but try not to over do it with her. they have to be conditioned too. hope this helps and you get some answers from those more in the know about all of this. There is the archives, too for this imformation. Good Luck with you new Fjord friend. Kim Horn in VA -- Built Fjord Tough Carol M. On Golden Pond N. Wisconsin
Re: intro and questions
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> HARNESS: It depends on what you want to do, BUT If you join the Recreational Equine Driving list you will learn a LOT about harnessing and driving, and you should get Barb Lee's book on harness. http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/RecreationalEquineDriving/?yguid=572457 LOTS of info in the Files on the website. Generally the Collar and hames, while harder to fit, if well fitted is much more comfortable for the horse. You should learn about "Angle of draft, etc. etc. from Barb' book Lots to learn about driving and harness. But if you are simply going to do a little pleasure driving with a light cart, a breast collar harness will do fine. Camptown Harness , when Dave McWethy owned it, made Harness for Fjords. I think they still can do that however. Find a good driving instructor and trainer and/or join a driving club! AGE: Fords do seem slower to mature than , say, Quarter horses, but Dr. Deb Bennett's article "Timing and Rate of Skeletal Maturation in Horses", http://www.equinestudies.org/knowledge_base/ranger.htmlWill give you some guidelines. My feeling is that you wait until at least 3 to RIDE, altho you can drive them and do a lot of training before that. Let us know when you get your Fjord, tell us all about him! Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, Partly cloudy, will be 70 degrees today Hi. I am new to this list. I just bought my first Fjord last week. I haven't even gotten him home yet, but I am extremely excited. I have several questions...
RE: intro and questions
This message is from: "John D. Herr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Kim, Welcome to the world of Fjords. I hope you have a long association with Fjords, for they are addictive. I am sure there will be many responses for you but here is my opinion. All types of harness will work but you will generally want to match the type of usage you plan to do with you Fjord to the harness. The only harnesses made "specifically" (some may be made in the US) for Fjords come from Norway. Moreover, although they fit Fjords because of the design and the Fjords mane, they can be used on all breeds. Olaf Nyby is a driving trainer from Norway who makes and imports a Norwegian harness that will fit Fjords, and he is based in Va. when in the US. http://www.pleasurethymefarm.com/ this will have his information and link to his web site. Good Luck with your Fjord. John D. Herr
intro and questions
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi. I am new to this list. I just bought my first Fjord last week. I haven't even gotten him home yet, but I am extremely excited. I have several questions...1) which harness is prefered? regular pleasure harness or the kind with hames? 2) is there someone who makes harnesses specifically for Fjords? 3) because Fjords are long-lived, does that mean they are slow to mature? what age do people generally start to ride and/or drive their Fjords? Kim Horn in VA
Foaling and Insurance Questions
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In response to the foaling question. In my opinion, vet's are pretty darn accurate with ultrasound, so I would use their date. Mares foaling in the earlier part of the year go longer than average (340 days) and mares in the summer go shorter than average. Of course, there is always an exception! This year we are using the CHEMetrics milk test strips http://www.chemetrics.com/visprods/foalwatch.htm. They come highly recommended from other breeders. The problem with the "laying down device" is that all my Fjords lay down and snore every day. I don't think I'd like to check them every time they are cutting some ZZZs. On the insurance question, the question was regarding agents and not insurance carriers. There are a handful of insurers writing horse mortality and liability policies. That's actually good because it's a specialty market. A good agent will shop among various carriers to get you the best quote. And premium rates will vary depending on what state you live in, what you are trying to insure and what carriers are writing in your state. Some states, like WV at the moment, are terribly difficult to get any liability coverage in because of the state regulation. I've never used the Fry Agency, but I have heard good things about them. If they have gotten you a quote that provides the coverage you want with a quality carrier, then go for it! My CGL premiums have been going down for the last two years even though we are increasing the variety and level of our activities. Margaret A. Bogie Ironwood Farm Rixeyville, VA http://www.ironwood-farm.com ***Fjords for Sale: 2003 Gray and Brown Dun geldings, 2005 Red Dun Colt***
Foaling questions
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] OOPS That last post about the Foaling questions was from Michele Noonan Stevensville, MT I hit the send button too soon
Feed questions for breeders
This message is from: "Marcia Pace" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I would appreciate any information from experienced Fjord breeders regarding feeding weanlings through age 2. I have numerous books regarding horse nutrition; however, they contain a huge range of advice. Unfortunately, none of the information is Fjord specific or consistent and ranges from feed your weanling grass or hay only to supply your weanling with unlimited amounts of grain in a creep feeder. Most of these books also contain dramatic photos of youngsters with DOD that may have occurred from too much feed or too little feed, etc.! Marcia Pace Ellensburg, WA
Foundation questions - one more time - sorry extremely long
This message is from: "Catherine lassesen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Carol, I was in the middle of a reply when my computer zipped... Not sure where the email went. I shall try to reply to all your questions. 1. Charles Kelly Jr. is a US lawyer that is a Fjord owner and NFHR member who has volunteered his expertise to the group of "founders" so that we can start the Foundation off correctly. 2. By US law, the Foundation must be independent from the NFHR. Yes some people wear two hats, but the Foundation is a 501 (c) 3 corporation and the NFHR is not. Donations to the Foundation are deductible to US Tax payers. Donations to the NFHR are not. 3. Some of the Foundation's goals are similar to the those of the NFHR. The Foundation can help take some of the burden of publishing educational materials through grants issued by the Foundation thus letting up on the obligation of membership dues for another NFHR adventure. 4. Trustees and Officers of the Foundation are as follows. Ann Appleby, Howard Fielder, Brian Jensen, Chuck Kelly, Joan Kemp, Alan Merrill, Mark McGinley, Phil Odden, Fred Brandt, Neil Sorum and myself (Catherine Lassesen). *5. " How does it plan to promote purity?" By education 6. " How does it plan to promote the history of the breed? -- Will it advertise?" By educational publications and by translation of Norwegian publication to English and making the publications available for purchase. Advertising is not a priority with the Foundation at this time. 7. " I'm particularly curious about "supporting research" - What does this mean?" There are many factors in the Norwegian Fjord Horse breed that are not found in other breeds. When funding is available, grants for researchers (vet) can be applied for. 8. "The Foundation says they are currently working towards "establishing tight mission and vision statement" -- Shouldn't they know what their mission and vision is BEFORE asking for money?" Carol, we know what the mission and what our vision are. We have known that for a long time. To publish a piece of work or a statement that will be our statement for years to come needs to be review and tightening up. 9. "The Foundation also says their current work is "setting short and long-term goals" -- Again, shouldn't these goals be set BEFORE asking for money? -- I would hope that nobody would consider donating their assets BEFORE this Foundation sets its goals." Carol, the Foundation does have goals in place. One does have to remember that it takes 3 months to produce a Fjord Herald and articles must be in way in advance. Also, that article was written as a general information article. 10. "They also say that their "current work" is "IMPLEMENTING MARKETING" -- Hmmm! What does this mean? -- Pardon me for being cynical, but when everybody in this Foundation group is a breeder with horses to sell, I just wonder . . . . The purpose of advertising is to attract customers. -- I would like to know exactly to whom these "attracted customers" will be responding?" Carol, (now really... I am getting to think you do not know what a Foundation is.) NONE of the Trustees or Officers has promotion their FARM in mind. You do not know the individuals involved and you have insulted us with this statement. Marketing was used in reference to marketing the Foundation, not horses. (or farms or people owning the horses or farms) 11. "Is anyone else out there in Fjord Digest land curious about this new Fjord entity . . The Foundation? -- Does anybody else find it strange that a Foundation asking for very large charitable donations should be set up by officers of the NFHR, and should be claiming that it is an "indenpendent organization" from the NFHR?" When we established the Foundation in December 2004, I was going off the BOD. Neil Sorum is coming off this December. Mark McGinley has ran for another term, I am not sure if he has won the election or not but it is not unusual for 1-3 trustees to have ties to other organizations. We are three individuals that felt that a Foundation was needed and we gathered to talk about it while on the BOD. That is how some Foundations start. (People with common thoughts and goals.) 12. "Is anybody else skeptical that these NFHR officers who are all breeders and have horses to sell, as well as the other Foundation members who are breeders are going to be benfiting from the Foundation's advertising??? " Trust me Carol, My business is not benefiting from the Foundation or from the work I do with the Foundation. My farm is actually is suffering because I am giving the Foundation more of my time. As far as the membership of the
Re: Questions about The Fjord Foundation?
This message is from: "Ruth Bushnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For a while now, I've heard bits and snippets about the formation of a Fjord Foundation>>>> Frankly, I find it more than strange that the article states that . . . (the Foundations) "is an independent organization from the Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry, though the plan is to work hand in hand with each other for the benefit of the Norwegian Fjord" HOW INDEPENDENT CAN IT BE WHEN THE COMMITTEE THAT SET IT UP IS COMPOSED OF - Registry President Neil Sorum, NFHR Vice President Mark McGinley, and NFHR Secretary, Catherine Lassessen.-- And how independent can it be when they plan to work "HAND IN HAND WITH EACH OTHER"? The Foundation says they are currently working towards "establishing tight mission and vision statement" -- Shouldn't they know what their mission and vision is BEFORE asking for money? ... > Perhaps this is all very high-minded and above reproach, and I'm just a suspicious old lady . . . . BUT, I would like to know more. And, in fact, would be pretty dumb not to try and learn more. Sincerely, Carol Rivoire VERY WELL SAID! good questions! I've never in all my long life heard of an organization that solicits without a mission statement in place, at the very least, and better still... a definitive statement of allocational intent... a master plan for (your) monies spent. I'm wondering if it's maybe too much to hope for, that the foundation will address issues of Fjord (genetic) health, and provision for Fjords in need ? If it's nothing more than funding an elite market, we'd all have to be dadgummed fools to buy in, but something tells me the answer's on the way. =))) Ruthie, nw mt US
Re: Questions about The Fjord Foundation?
This message is from: "Lisa Wiley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Vanessa, Actually it is two. PRA and GM-1, both were done before the PWDF. The PWDF was set up so people would have a tax deductible place to send donations to health research without having to actually send it to the Universities. The problem with sending it to the Universities is the monies don't always get where you want them. The Portuguese Water Dog Club of America is not set up for tax deductible donations. Many who wanted to donate large sums of money wanted that option. Lisa Wiley "The Wiley One" Turnabout Portuguese Water Dogs Connecticut State Director Ponies With Purpose Corresponding Secretary FASTeam http://www.myturnabout.com
Re: Questions about The Fjord Foundation?
This message is from: "Vanessa N Weber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Well that and the fact that you've been able to eradicate at least one major heritable defect that I can think of, which is more than most of the other health oriented groups have done. At least that is what I recall having read at one point. Vanessa ---Original Message--- From: Lisa Wiley Date: 11/27/05 18:25:14 To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: Questions about The Fjord Foundation? This message is from: "Lisa Wiley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Vanessa, It has it's flaws but for the most part it has been very good in raising money for health research. Lisa Wiley "The Wiley One" Turnabout Portuguese Water Dogs Connecticut State Director Ponies With Purpose Corresponding Secretary FASTeam http://www.myturnabout.com
Re: Questions about The Fjord Foundation?
This message is from: "Lisa Wiley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Vanessa, It has it's flaws but for the most part it has been very good in raising money for health research. Lisa Wiley "The Wiley One" Turnabout Portuguese Water Dogs Connecticut State Director Ponies With Purpose Corresponding Secretary FASTeam http://www.myturnabout.com
Re: Questions about The Fjord Foundation?
This message is from: "Vanessa N Weber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> We have two a health foundation for Cavalier King Charles Spaniels too. The Portuguese Water Dog Foundation is exemplary and is cited as one of the best ever by the AKC for the work they have done in eradicating health problems. The AKC also has a Canine Health Foundation which is extraordinary and would be a great example of the kind of work done in the veterinary field for animals. I am not aware of foundations done for horses but I'm sure there are others. My primary experience over the last 20 years has been with Lipizzans and several breeds of dogs. Vanessa N Weber Westbrook, CT (also Delegate to the English Toy Spaniel Club of America) Former President Cavaliers of the Northeast) ---Original Message--- From: Lisa Wiley Date: 11/27/05 17:35:29 To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: Questions about The Fjord Foundation? This message is from: "Lisa Wiley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Carol, It sounds like they are setting up a foundation for health research in the breed. This is not uncommon in dog breeds. Here is the link to the Portuguese Water Dog Foundation. http://www.pwdfoundation.org/ Lisa Wiley "The Wiley One" Turnabout Portuguese Water Dogs Connecticut State Director Ponies With Purpose Corresponding Secretary FASTeam http://www.myturnabout.com
Re: Questions about The Fjord Foundation?
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Carol, Excellent post and excellent questions. I have asked similar ones, but have not gotten any clear answers, either. I am under the impression that while it is a legal and real entity, that it is still in the planning stage. One thing I was highly curious about and did ask Neil was if the foundation would provide a sanctuary of some sort with some of the donations for old or permanently injured Fjords. As you know, I am no longer doing any rescue or rehabilitation work at all, with the exception for one Fjord that will never be placed. However, the calls and emails still keep on rolling in. Unfortunately, the answer was that this was not in the plans for the foundation. Do not get me wrong, I am sure this is not a high priority for most people, but it is something that is important to me...probably because I have worked so much with these Fjords in need. I was curious, too, concerning the issue of "purity" and research. It sounds like there is a parallel with the registry. Maybe someone in the know will answer some of your questions! Lynda In a message dated 11/27/2005 5:11:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- I've been asking everybody I know in the Fjord world, including some on the Board of Directors, what exactly is this Fjord Foundation all about, and I still haven't gotten an answer. Nobody seems to know. --- As I say, it does sound like a very big deal to me, and as such, it's something I should know mroe about. Thanks much, references are available. Lynda and Daniel Bailey's White Cloud, MI 231-689-9902 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hometown.aol.com/baileysfjords/index.html
Re: Questions about The Fjord Foundation?
This message is from: "Lisa Wiley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Carol, It sounds like they are setting up a foundation for health research in the breed. This is not uncommon in dog breeds. Here is the link to the Portuguese Water Dog Foundation. http://www.pwdfoundation.org/ Lisa Wiley "The Wiley One" Turnabout Portuguese Water Dogs Connecticut State Director Ponies With Purpose Corresponding Secretary FASTeam http://www.myturnabout.com
Re: Questions about The Fjord Foundation?
This message is from: "Beaver Dam Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello everybody from Carol Rivoire at Beaver Dam Farm in Nova Scotia -- For a while now, I've heard bits and snippets about the formation of a Fjord Foundation, and that it was begun by a large donation from NFHR president, Neil Sorum. --This sounds like a very BIG DEAL, which should be of interest to everyone in the Fjord world, but as far as I know, there's been little concrete information about it. --- I've been asking everybody I know in the Fjord world, including some on the Board of Directors, what exactly is this Fjord Foundation all about, and I still haven't gotten an answer. Nobody seems to know. --- As I say, it does sound like a very big deal to me, and as such, it's something I should know mroe about. According to my information, it was started with a several thousand dollar donation by Registry president, Neil Sorum. -- I would assume that other "founding members" have also donated. All the other members are well-known breeders. -- Do we as members have the right to know how much money is involved? And what it's spent on? The current Fjord Herald has an article written by NFHR President, Neil Surum, titled - "SUPPORT THE NORWEGIAN FJORDHORSE FOUNDATION -- MORE WAYS TO GIVE THAN YOU EVER IMAGINED" It tells us all the ways we can give to the Foundation, but not a word about what will be done with the money. -- You can give cash . . publicly traded securities . . . real estate and real estate with lifetime use . . . closely held stock . . . retirement assets . . . U.S. Savings Bonds . . . annuities . . . life insurance. When you're talking about stocks, bonds, annuities, reitrement assets, life insurance -- That is "Big Stuff" -- One of my many questions is --- WHAT WILL BE DONE WITH THE MONEY ?. . . . . And, WHO WILL BENEFIT FROM THE MONEY? The Spring 2005 issue of the Herald had an article written by Catherine Lassessen titled - "FORGING A DREAM - FOUNDATION FORWARDS FJORD AWARENESS" This article didn't tell me much either. ---The first puzzling statement says . . . " At 2:49pm on Nov. 22, 2004, Charles Kelly, Jr., filed the incorporation papers in Iowa, forming a firm foundation for the future of the Fjord in the Midwest." -- Could this be a direct quote from the incorporation papers? That the Foundation is founding a "firm foundation" for the future of the Fjord in the Midwest"? -- "Firm foundation for the future of the Fjord in the MIDWEST" -- What does this mean? . . . . ."In the Midwest"? I'm wondering who Charles Kelly, Jr. is? --- Is he a Fjord owner or breeder? I don't see his name in the Fjord Registry Roster. -- The article tells us that three other "founding members" set up the Foundation. They are - Registry President Neil Sorum, NFHR Vice President Mark McGinley, and NFHR Secretary Catherine Lassesen. Frankly, I find it more than strange that the article states that . . . (the Foundations) "is an independent organization from the Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry, though the plan is to work hand in hand with each other for the benefit of the Norwegian Fjord" HOW INDEPENDENT CAN IT BE WHEN THE COMMITTEE THAT SET IT UP IS COMPOSED OF - Registry President Neil Sorum, NFHR Vice President Mark McGinley, and NFHR Secretary, Catherine Lassessen.-- And how independent can it be when they plan to work "HAND IN HAND WITH EACH OTHER"? Other members of the Foundation are - Ann Appleby, Fred Brandt, Howard Fiedler, Brian Jensen & Phil Odden. -- All breeders. Catherine Lassessen's article in the Spring Herald says the foundation will . . . "help further the Fjord breed by promoting its purity and history, offering education about the unique horses, and supporting research, among other nonprofit endeavors." * How does it plan to promote purity? * How does it plan to promote the history of the breed? -- Will it advertise? * I'm particularly curious about "supporting research" - What does this mean? The Foundation says they are currently working towards "establishing tight mission and vision statement" -- Shouldn't they know what their mission and vision is BEFORE asking for money? The Foundation also says their current work is "setting short and long-term goals" -- Again, shouldn't these goals be set BEFORE asking for money? -- I would hope that nobody would consider donating their assets BEFORE this Foundation sets its goals. They also say that their "current work" is "IMPLEMENTING MARKETING" -- Hmmm! What does this mean? -- Pardon me for being cynical, but when everybody in this Foundation group is a
Re: fjord horse questions
This message is from: "jgayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dee Anna, Not true about the extra thick pads not fitting all horses. I have my old Passier dressage saddle and use a 2 1/2" heavily padded western pad on my high withered 17 2 1/2 half hand Warm Blood, my medium withered 16 2 warmblood mare and my slight withered thirteen plus hand Fjord. No sign of discomfort. I did see Gunnar buck under someone else's saddle because of the poor fit. By the way, his "buck" is just humping his back while his feet stay on the ground. Jean G. Author 'The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 to 1949 Send: $20 to Three Horse's Press 7403 Blaine Rd Aberdeen, WA 98520
Re: fjord horse questions
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kate's suggestions about saddling slowly are good ones. One of my geldings was a bit anxious about being girthed up and patience and time cured that. Another issue to check, in case it's not already been mentioned: Check the saddle fit carefully. The saddle may have been pinching or digging into the horse's back from being the wrong size or shape or from damage to the saddle. If this is the case, it's a small miracle he's just antsy. On a related note, if the saddle is too small for the horse, adding another saddle pad will only make matters worse, not better! I'm always amazed to hear people mention this. If this "fix" actually worked, then we should "fix" the fit of too-small shoes by wearing two pairs of socks, right? DeeAnna
lease questions
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello, I was wondering if any of you had any experience with leasing a horse. I have a couple of questions. What is a fair amount to pay for a monthly lease? The horse will be at my house with me picking up all expenses. I know they probably vary greatly, but what is the average? Also, I want to insure this horse while it is at my property, just in case something happens. Can anyone point me in the right direction for a great insurance company? And what is a good price for insurance? I have never insured a horse before. thanks in advance. Alice
Re: fjord horse questions
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <> Even if you couldn't ride him a single day, I'd do the lease just to spend time with these wonderful horses. Having recently broken my leg and being unable to ride, I am getting almost as much pleasure from just nuzzling and being with my pony as I do riding or doing groundwork. <> This is definitely something you can work through. My Fjord has not had an issue with saddling from the day I brought him home, but my last mare was a bit skittish and we spent a lot of time grooming and working with the saddle sitting nearby, walking around with the saddle, on and right off with the saddle, etc. etc. and she calmed down within 4-5 sessions of this. I use the Parelli methods for getting your horse comfortable with the saddle (or other scarey things) and think they work great - nice slow progression. For the record, I have yet to find anything that makes my Fjord nervous (except for when he sees the feed guy coming with the meals and we're across the way working) <> I use a 5 1/2" snaffle on my Fjord and am not having any issues. My sister has two Percherons, BIG mares. After a couple of years she moved from a snaffle to a Tom Thumb because the mares required a lot of work to control. After riding them for an hour or so, my arms and hands would ache! She is extremely happy with the bit change, and her horses are more responsive. I am more a believer in using the mildest bit possible and training your horse to respond to cues better. Kate and Joe (basically, the best pony ever)
Re: leased fjord questions
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The shape of the myler makes it act like a larger bit as it conforms to the shape of the mouth. And my Fjords are pretty big, especially my big gelding, Bjorken. 15-2 and his head is fairly large. Another, brand of bit which is shaped similar, but a lot less expensive than the mylers are the John Patterson or JP snaffles. Here is an example: http://www.saddleuptack.com/webcat/items/item980.htm Mylers With a solid mouth act "smaller" than those with a ported barrel mouth. I think you just have to try bits to find the right size, right bit, etc. Can get expensive! LOL Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska >This message is from: CHERYL GARNICA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >I bought the Myler Bit video off ebay...learned quite a bit (ok, bad >pun!). It even wooed me to buy a Myler but I MUST have sized the fjord >wrong, he decided the measuring tape tasted pretty good. A 5 1/2" was too >big unless these bits just fit differently Does any one know? I bought a >Western Comfort Snaffle. It just hung there kind of funny...I know the >angles are different but I do think was too big. > >Switched to the French Link and he seems to be ok...my 5" is a little >short...so I am guessing he needs 5 1/4" > >I read the larger sizes of your horses bits and am surprised! >Cheryl in s.Cal > >Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >This message is from: Jean Ernest > >One of the best books on bits is "Horse Control and the Bit" by Tom >Roberts. He goes into detail on the action of the various kinds of >bits. Myler also has a good little book; "A whole bit Better" available >most places you buy Myler bits. > >Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska 55 degrees and showers. > > > >Can anyone recommend a book all about bits? Lord knows I have a lot to > >learn. > > > >Thanks, I love having all the responses to read. > > > >Alice
Re: leased fjord questions
This message is from: CHERYL GARNICA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I bought the Myler Bit video off ebay...learned quite a bit (ok, bad pun!). It even wooed me to buy a Myler but I MUST have sized the fjord wrong, he decided the measuring tape tasted pretty good. A 5 1/2" was too big unless these bits just fit differently Does any one know? I bought a Western Comfort Snaffle. It just hung there kind of funny...I know the angles are different but I do think was too big. Switched to the French Link and he seems to be ok...my 5" is a little short...so I am guessing he needs 5 1/4" I read the larger sizes of your horses bits and am surprised! Cheryl in s.Cal Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This message is from: Jean Ernest One of the best books on bits is "Horse Control and the Bit" by Tom Roberts. He goes into detail on the action of the various kinds of bits. Myler also has a good little book; "A whole bit Better" available most places you buy Myler bits. Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska 55 degrees and showers. >Can anyone recommend a book all about bits? Lord knows I have a lot to >learn. > >Thanks, I love having all the responses to read. > >Alice
Re: leased fjord questions
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> One of the best books on bits is "Horse Control and the Bit" by Tom Roberts.He goes into detail on the action of the various kinds of bits. Myler also has a good little book; "A whole bit Better" available most places you buy Myler bits. Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska 55 degrees and showers. >Can anyone recommend a book all about bits? Lord knows I have a lot to >learn. > >Thanks, I love having all the responses to read. > >Alice
Re: leased fjord questions
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes, gaming horses are very specialized. My daughter is in Pony club and does eventing and games. It is a lot of fun and a lot of work. Both of her horses/ponies are too much for me to ride, so that is why I am looking for something for myself. I can ride both of hers and stay on, but it isn't enjoyable:) I prefer all 4 feet stay on the ground. I will try a solid kimberwicke when and if I get him here. The lady that has him said she tried a loose ring snaffle with no luck so went right to the tom thumb. I could tell the horse didn't really like it. But I also want to be safe and have some breaks, so will experiment if he arrives. Can anyone recommend a book all about bits? Lord knows I have a lot to learn. Thanks, I love having all the responses to read. Alice
leased fjord questions
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] That's the great thing about a lease, you can see if you can work him through things or not before you buy him. A gaming pony is a very specialized animal, I know from watching the Pony Club Nationals one year. There is a lot of excitement, an about-to-burst feeling that is required to get the job done, NOT what we usually look for in our riding horses. That said, they also have to be quite controllable even while they are feeling all of this excitement. As to bits, use what has been used on him until you feel safe to go to a lesser bit. A Tom Thumb is not too bad. My mare came using a broken kimberwick (like a snaffle in the middle, like a TT), and I put her in the straight mouth kimberwick, which I think is more comfortable, and after a few calm rides, we had some excitement and I was very happy she was in a kimberwick. I have a girthy Morgan and I would give him a piece of carrot as I slowly went up the holes, until he was looking forward to the girthing process. Though he is long over this, I still give him a piece on the last hole, since he expects it so. On the paper transfer topic, I always transfer any horse I am selling myself, to make sure it gets done, and that I am no longer the owner of this horse. Have fun, Valerie
Re: fjord horse questions
This message is from: "Warren Stockwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello and welcome!!! I am going to past in my response so that I get to all your questions. > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > I have a wonderful opportunity to free lease a fjord gelding for the winter > with the option to purchase in the Spring. I went to look at him yesterday > and he is of course very beautiful. His current owner said that he is > registered and microchipped in Canada. Does that mean he is not registered or > registerable in the US? If he is not able to be registered in the US, does that > make him worth less money? Check with Mike May Regarding registeration he is a lot of help. His value is based on his ability not his papers IMO, so Registered or not has no barring on his worth. Worth is what the ecomoney will bear. I have a valuable mare ( registered ), but today's market would most likely not support her sale at her worth. > > He has been used by this owner for gaming, running barrels, poles, etc...So > when I rode him he started out very fast and just seemed to always be in a > hurry. As I rode him, he calmed down and started to slow down some. I ride > only western and love the slower gaits. With work, do you think I can get him > down to a nice slow jog? His trot was horrible to try and sit. He is go motivated since that is what he is use to, gamers don't go slow. It will take some work but you can slow them down. My mare has a big trot and is very english with bounce and extention. I was hoping for a western pleasure hores. She is my daughters english pleasure horse, and when she slows down ( read that gets tired ) we go western : )) It can be done but some horses are just English! I Have a gelding that is simply a pleasure/trail horse, he has no real interest in putting out to much energy. It really depends on the horse, what they have been tought and what their built or best suited for. Kaari likes to GO and Gunnar likes to mosey along. > > He also seemed a little scared to have the saddle and pad put on him. Once > it was on, he was fine, but quite nervous when putting it on. I am assuming > someone, somewhere threw it on him and scared him a bit. I think I could > work him through it. ABSOLUTLY!! I take a old raggy blanket and let them have it and play games with them and the blanket. We eventually get to a point of playing hide and seek. Fjords like to play so I incorporate games into all our work. > > All I really want him for is to ride on the trail and around our farm. Now > that I am older, ring work kind of bores me, as I did enough of it when I was > little. > > And, just one more question. For anyone who ride western out there, any > information on a Tom Thumb bit would be greatly appreciated. Is it harsh? That > is what this gelding uses as she says he just blows right through a snaffle. > I know bits are only as harsh as the hands they are in, but I still like to > have a little knowledge on what I am using. This is one that I am not > familiar with. > My favorite western bit and the one I have had the most success with is a low port medium shank 5 1/2 wide, I found at a state line tack store. Gunnar collects very nicely and moves beautifully and dosen't blow through it. I found broken bits to have a nut cracker effect with the low pallet of a Fjords mouth, and be uncomfortable, making them uneffective like in the tomb thumb bit. Tom thumb bit was very ineffective for my fjords but worked well to start my QH. If I can be of further help drop me a line, Roberta MN
Re: fjord horse questions
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Alice, Glad you finally came out of ":lurkdom" Canadian registered Fjord can be registered in the NFHR, no problem. AND they are just as valuable. I have 4 Fjords, and have only registered one with the NFHR so far, but intend to transfer my young mare to NFHR when I get around to it sometime. LOL As for bits, I think the "tom thumb" western bit is about the worst you put on any horse, but on a Fjords I think it would be even worse. The Fjords have a low pallet and large tongue..The broken mouthpiece of the Tom thumb pokes them in the roof of the mouth, folding up like a nutcracker on their tongue. I would suggest a mullen mouth or low port curb bit..solid mouth piece, such as the "Glory bits", or if a snaffle, a three piece mouthpiece. He probably needs a 5 1/2" mouthpiece. You can work out the saddling problem..sounds like it WAS thrown on him. I think you could just rub him with the saddle blanket, make him feel good, On and off, and so on with the saddle. If you know anything about "Clicker Training" that would work wonders. approach and retreat, reward often, Check his back for pain, etc. If he was used for barrel racing, he probably is used to just rushing off. Doing a lot of just walking, bending, etc. would help. He is probably rushing along on the forehand, making a rough trot..Get him balanced and rounded up, using his hindquarters, and his trot will get better. Well, I am sure others will add to this but I just post this for a starter. Jean in Rainy Fairbanks, Alaska, wishing it would dry up so I can prepare for winter! >This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Hello, > >I have a wonderful opportunity to free lease a fjord gelding for the winter >with the option to purchase in the Spring. I went to look at him yesterday >and he is of course very beautiful. His current owner said that he is >registered and microchipped in Canada. >>>snip>>> >And, just one more question. For anyone who ride western out there, any >information on a Tom Thumb bit would be greatly appreciated. Is >it harsh? That >is what this gelding uses as she says he just blows right through a snaffle. > I know bits are only as harsh as the hands they are in, but I still > like to >have a little knowledge on what I am using. This is one that I am not >familiar with.
Re: fjord horse questions
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Welcome Alice! "Your" Fjord shows one of the typical negative behavior patterns or the breed. When not started correctly, they can get speedy and pushy in the bridle (other Fjords go the opposite way and put the brakes on). I wonder if the chicken or the egg came first, did the horse get this way because he's used for gaming, or did the owner go that route because he is speedy? Other breeds may be tired out or outmuscled, but not the Fjord ;-). You can gallop them all day with the harshest of bits, and they'll still do whatever they want. You sounded confident about your ride, and that's great; many people would have been nervous about riding a frightened, rushing horse. Leasing him will give you a chance to see how it goes between you. Mellow trail rides may be just the cure for this guy. I'd recommend doing some foundation work on the ground and in the saddle, getting his attention and trust, softening the mouth. The Tom Thumb is not ideal because it sort of negates the effects of the snaffle or curb. A true curb has a solid mouth piece which is comfortable until the rider picks up the reins. A true snaffle has no shank which allows for clear lateral cues. I'd experiment with either of these bits and see what works best. Hope it works out -- keep us posted! Brigid SF Bay Area, CA www.brigid.clickryder.com
Re: fjord horse questions
This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 11:42 AM 9/22/2005, you wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have a wonderful opportunity to free lease a fjord gelding for the winter with the option to purchase in the Spring. I went to look at him yesterday and he is of course very beautiful. His current owner said that he is registered and microchipped in Canada. Does that mean he is not registered or registerable in the US? If you want me to check I will need his registered name or registration number in Canada. Then I can tell you if he qualifies for registration with the NFHR or not. Most of the Canadian registered horses do qualify but there are some that are inbred according to our rules. If they are in bred which is defined as * Inbred horses foaled after January 1986 can not be registered. This includes: mother to son, father to daughter, brother to sister and half-brother to half-sister. then they do not qualify for NFHR registration. If he is not able to be registered in the US, does that make him worth less money? That I couldn't tell you. Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Executive Director & Registrar PO Box 685 Webster, NY 14580-0685 Voice 585-872-4114 FAX 585-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: fjord horse questions
This message is from: "Lisa Wiley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Alice, I am no expert but if you have the chance to free lease and you like him take him. If he doesn't work out you can return him in the Spring. Sounds like there is no risk at all. Lisa Wiley Turnabout Portuguese Water Dogs Connecticut State Director Ponies With Purpose Corresponding Secretary FASTeam http://www.myturnabout.com
fjord horse questions
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello, I have been on this list for some time just lurking and waiting to bring a fjord into my life. Now I have a couple of questions...Thanks in advance to anyone who takes the time to answer. I have a wonderful opportunity to free lease a fjord gelding for the winter with the option to purchase in the Spring. I went to look at him yesterday and he is of course very beautiful. His current owner said that he is registered and microchipped in Canada. Does that mean he is not registered or registerable in the US? If he is not able to be registered in the US, does that make him worth less money? He has been used by this owner for gaming, running barrels, poles, etc...So when I rode him he started out very fast and just seemed to always be in a hurry. As I rode him, he calmed down and started to slow down some. I ride only western and love the slower gaits. With work, do you think I can get him down to a nice slow jog? His trot was horrible to try and sit. He also seemed a little scared to have the saddle and pad put on him. Once it was on, he was fine, but quite nervous when putting it on. I am assuming someone, somewhere threw it on him and scared him a bit. I think I could work him through it. All I really want him for is to ride on the trail and around our farm. Now that I am older, ring work kind of bores me, as I did enough of it when I was little. And, just one more question. For anyone who ride western out there, any information on a Tom Thumb bit would be greatly appreciated. Is it harsh? That is what this gelding uses as she says he just blows right through a snaffle. I know bits are only as harsh as the hands they are in, but I still like to have a little knowledge on what I am using. This is one that I am not familiar with. Thanks so much and sorry to be so long winded!!! Alice Grass Deering NH
RE: New fjord owner, saddle questions: Cheryl in California
This message is from: "The Mercers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> My friend and I both have Fjords and we love our Tucker Cheyenne wide tree saddle. It is so comfortable! They have fit every Fjord we've tried them on. Taffy Mercer Kennewick, WA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of CHERYL GARNICA Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 8:45 AM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: New fjord owner, saddle questions: Cheryl in California This message is from: CHERYL GARNICA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I'm still figuring out how to do this posting and hope this makes it in the current section, not the 1998! Excuse double posts! I just purchased my 4 y/o fjord gelding 10 days ago, a 2 yr dream. Recognized some of you on the list and thanks to all I may have pestered with questions re: fjords! I just want to trail toodle so far and hoping the kids will want to do a little more. Just looking at a fjord is almost good enough! Riding is the icing on the cake. Any suggestions for a 13.3H approx 950-1000# fjord western saddle? In particular I was looking at the Circle Y Omaha flex tree. Concern is if wide enough or should I be looking at Halflinger type saddles? Believe it or not, my little used Abetta more or less fit him and di my first arena ride without fjord complaints! Any suggestions appreciated, I am not sure of all the special saddle considerations as he is not as large/drafty as some. Cheryl in California
New fjord owner, saddle questions: Cheryl in California
This message is from: CHERYL GARNICA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I'm still figuring out how to do this posting and hope this makes it in the current section, not the 1998! Excuse double posts! I just purchased my 4 y/o fjord gelding 10 days ago, a 2 yr dream. Recognized some of you on the list and thanks to all I may have pestered with questions re: fjords! I just want to trail toodle so far and hoping the kids will want to do a little more. Just looking at a fjord is almost good enough! Riding is the icing on the cake. Any suggestions for a 13.3H approx 950-1000# fjord western saddle? In particular I was looking at the Circle Y Omaha flex tree. Concern is if wide enough or should I be looking at Halflinger type saddles? Believe it or not, my little used Abetta more or less fit him and di my first arena ride without fjord complaints! Any suggestions appreciated, I am not sure of all the special saddle considerations as he is not as large/drafty as some. Cheryl in California
New here, with breed questions
This message is from: Virginia Kichura <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Greetings to all, I am new to this breed and considering purchasing a Fjord. Please forgive my simple questions... I can't seem to find any information available at the registry website regarding how Fjords are judged at breed evaluations. I've seen the standard but am wondering specifically how it gets implemented... What aspects are tested/evaluated and how are the tests done? What percentage of the breed gets evaluated? Where can I find this information? Are there any books or sources that discuss bloodline histories? With lots to learn... Virginia Kichura Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: few questions
This message is from: Lori Albrough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am expecting my first Fjord foal in a couple of weeks, ( actually my mare is). Have had other foals ,but they were mules and TB/QH. Since I live so far out in the boonies, I am going to have her foal out this first time at the Vets who has 24 hour cameras. My vet wants to know relative size ( I think I remember a discussion on the list of 100 lbs plus or minus 20 as average ). She was surprised so heavy, but assumes that it is more bone density than size. Is there a high or lower rate of dystocias due to the large size, and are they more like drafts in terms of average gestation? We are planning on 11 months, 11 days which would put her due about the middle of April. Do the Fjords generally follow this? We've had 8 fjord foals born here, which is not a huge sample space, but I can share what I know. Their gestation periods ranged from 339 to 347 days, with an average of 342 days and standard deviation of 3 days. Lori A.
few questions
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am expecting my first Fjord foal in a couple of weeks, ( actually my mare is). Have had other foals ,but they were mules and TB/QH. Since I live so far out in the boonies, I am going to have her foal out this first time at the Vets who has 24 hour cameras. My vet wants to know relative size ( I think I remember a discussion on the list of 100 lbs plus or minus 20 as average ). She was surprised so heavy, but assumes that it is more bone density than size. Is there a high or lower rate of dystocias due to the large size, and are they more like drafts in terms of average gestation? We are planning on 11 months, 11 days which would put her due about the middle of April. Do the Fjords generally follow this? She is now looking very pregnant, somewhat uncomfortable but not making much of a bag and still quite active. She and the stallion are almost shed out for the first spring go around of the outer hairs, now working on the short hair. On another note, I am training two fjords to the cart this spring, a gest son and an Erlend daughter. I am also working with a mule and a QH. I am a relative novice but have help. If any one ever doubts the intelligence or workability of the Fjord, just try training them side by side. The non-fjords are willing, smart and I have had them since birth but there is no comparison. The light clicks on so much sooner for the Fjord and introduction to scary things like poles and drags is just matter of fact and takes a fraction of the time. ( The drawback is that as soon as they figure that the contraptions are no problem, they proceed to pick them up and drag them by the teeth around the arena. I use PVC pipes to introduce shafts and it is quite a site to see the Fjords dragging the shafts in circles for fun. ) Thanks for the help. Kathy in Se Idaho where spring is elusive. The birds are back, but it is still in the teens at night. And the great Idaho land exchange ( wind) has begun in ernest.
Re: few questions
This message is from: "Ruth Bushnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I am expecting my first Fjord foal in a couple of weeks, ( actually my mare is). ... We are planning on 11 months, 11 days which would put her due about the middle of April. Do the Fjords generally follow this? Kathy ON THE NFHR website under "forms and documents" there are a few articles about mares, one of which says that 341 days is the average gestation period. http://www.nfhr.com/articles/Basics.htm Ruthie, nw mt US (good one about land exchange =)
A Winter Drive and some Stallion Questions
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have been having so much fun lately, I just can't stop myself from Posting! Here it is in the end of January and its mid 50's here in the Bitterroot Valley, Montana Today was another day of FIRSTS! Saturday I got to drive my 2 1/2 year old stud WHR Elsker with his training partner a Belgian Mare TODAY we hooked him for the first time with our 11 year old Fjord mare Tone' I have to admit I was a little uneasy at first, Elsker hadn't seen Tone' for two months and the Hello was a little more like "Hey Baby Look how I have grown up!". After a few squeals and getting after them both for just a few minutes, all was well, We hitched them to the hay wagon and went out to feed cows. They were wonderful, no crabbing or teasing and they worked well together. When we were done we put Tone away (Elsker didn't like that Part) and then hooked Elsker up to a cart with shafts, This was the first time driven single. He was great!! He did some circles and backed and walked and trotted and acted like the cart was no big deal He is even starting to side pass a little! Here are my questions! I have never raised a stud, (we owned the old stallion Eric for the last few years of his life and he was a great way to break into having a stallion) I want to do it right. We spent a lot of time with Elsker on ground manners . He just started driving training in Dec. He was born end of June 2002. I have decided not to let him whinny, or knicker or make any noise while haltered or harnessed. Is this unrealistic to ask of him? How many of you drive your stallion with a mare year round? How many of you let the stud live with the mares (we do) If I let him live with the mares, What the heck am I gonna do at Libby when he has to be by himself?? If I seperate him a month before will that help? I want a well behaved stud, or he will be cut, (so far he is, but he is just realizing he is pretty HOT) Any advice is welcome Michele Noonan Stevensville , MT
Re: Some questions and comments.
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/8/2005 9:23:50 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've heard that problems can arise in situations such as tying in a trailer and you really couldn't use cross ties with them. Just wandering how others deal with this and how many people who have two halters (1 nylon and 1 rope) for their horses like me. I use only tied rope halters for all our horses, other than small foals. I've never had a problem of any kind with them, and I do use them in the trailer too. The one thing I DO do is make sure that the lead rope on them is cotton rope and not that nylon stuff. It is easier on the hands, doesn't tighten up so you can't get the knot undone and if you need to it's easier to cut with a knife than nylon rope. Amy Amy Evers Dun Lookin' Fjords Redmond, OR [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Some questions and comments.
This message is from: "DANIELLE DEARINGER" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> HI. Was wondering what type of "show" clipping must be done for a Fjord, ears, muzzle, everything? If ever anyone feels motivated my husband and I have started making our own rope halters, you can find plans on the internet. The combination of instructions on www.goddijn.com/halter and www.naturalhorsesupply.com/tiehalter.shtml and we were making halters. This way you can fit the horse. I use a rope halter, but mainly when doing ground work or under the bridle. I've heard that problems can arise in situtions such as tying in a trailer and you really couldn't use cross ties with them. Just wandering how others deal with this and how many people who have two halters (1 nylon and 1 rope) for their horses like me. Danielle Promise Acres, LaGrange, IN
Re: winter questions
This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > i live in minnesota, on a small farm. [...] > i am wondering how to keep oz from getting fat. [...] right now we > have no snow, so he's in the pasture about 5 hours a day. there's not much > out > there for grass anymore, but he finds something to nibble on. at night he's > in the dry lot with 2-3 flakes of hay at night and a couple more in the > morning > until he's turned out into the pasture about 1 pm. when the grass is snow > covered, obviously he will be getting hay all the time. > > is this too much? [...] > laurie and oz First of all, a pet peeve of mine---"flake" is a rather "flakey" unit of measurement for discussing hay rations, and "bale" isn't much better. ;-) We get 2-string bales of "pasture" grass hay, which weigh anywhere from 40 to 60 lb; when we were in California, we used 3-wire bales, which weighed between 90 and 150 lb! All of my equines (a donkey and 2 Fjord geldings) are "air ferns", so I weigh my hay, every feeding. Even with buying hay from the same farmer (hence put up by the same baler), sometimes a flake weighs 2 lb; sometimes it weighs 8 lb! It depends on how tall (hence tangled) the grass was, how dry, what variety, etc. I'd suggest that you begin by weighing how much you're actually giving him. Then, have some means of tracking his weight---a livestock scale, or measurements of his heart- and rib-girths (I do it weekly), or body condition scoring. If you think he's too fat, cut back. If he loses too much weight, add some hay. Continue to weigh his rations at least every few days, to make sure your arm isn't getting "generous" on you. I'm currently feeding about 10 lb of hay per Fjord per day, plus 1 hour of pasture time (on grass that is now green and growing, albeit slowly). These are older, "corral potato" equines, whose vet has chanted "more exercise, less food" (which caused me to cut back from 2 hours to 1 hour of pasture). The really fat one (who wears a grazing muzzle for his pasture time) is slowly losing weight; the slightly plump one dropped a couple inches, and now is maintaining nicely. However, we have a much different climate here in southwestern Oregon than you do---here, it will frost a dozen nights per winter, and snow maybe an inch or two, total! (Instead, we get 40" of rain.) Your horse will need more hay than mine to keep himself warm---but that will also depend on how windy it is, and whether he can get out of the heat-stealing wind. Various sources recommend hay rations somewhere between 1% and 3% of body weight per day, depending on exercise and climate. For a nominal 1000-lb Fjord, that'd be 10 to 30 lb of hay per day. Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] anything that can go wrong, will! 15 mi SW of Roseburg, Oregon
RE: winter questions
This message is from: "Linda Lottie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Laurie...the only way to really know if his feed is correct is to check his ribs at least once a week. I am always "checking" my horses...just habit...and adjust if necessary. As for exercisegive youself some time off - haha!! I don't do much with my crew Nov, Dec and Jan...a break for all, including me. The walk down the road is good This year I hope to get my fjords out in the snow a bit morethe barn where I am boarding lends itself to fun in the snow.I know my fjords sure love being out in it. Will have my small cart converted to sleigh runners. IMObetter to be a little bit "fluffy" going into winter than thin. Especially if horses are outside 24/7 . hard to add weight in the dead of winter. Have a great day...MN weather today is sunny and upper 40's Linda >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Reply-To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com >To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com >Subject: winter questions >Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 09:25:54 EST > >This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >i live in minnesota, on a small farm. it's really hard to ride more than once >or twice a week, since it's dark when i get home, and often snowy, and i have >no indoor to ride in. > >i am wondering how to keep oz from getting fat. he's a big horse, but i get >concerned about his feet and conditioning if he carries too much. right now we >have no snow, so he's in the pasture about 5 hours a day. there's not much out >there for grass anymore, but he finds something to nibble on. at night he's >in the dry lot with 2-3 flakes of hay at night and a couple more in the morning >until he's turned out into the pasture about 1 pm. when the grass is snow >covered, obviously he will be getting hay all the time. > >is this too much? is there anything that anyone can suggest to get exercise >for him? sometimes i walk him down our dead end dirt road, which is pretty good >since there are only two farms on it, so little traffic. plus, it's flat and >easy to walk on even in the dark. > >i want to do the best by him, but i sure dislike our minnesota winters. > >thanks > >laurie and oz Rock, jazz, country, soul & more. Find the music you love on MSN Music!
winter questions
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] i live in minnesota, on a small farm. it's really hard to ride more than once or twice a week, since it's dark when i get home, and often snowy, and i have no indoor to ride in. i am wondering how to keep oz from getting fat. he's a big horse, but i get concerned about his feet and conditioning if he carries too much. right now we have no snow, so he's in the pasture about 5 hours a day. there's not much out there for grass anymore, but he finds something to nibble on. at night he's in the dry lot with 2-3 flakes of hay at night and a couple more in the morning until he's turned out into the pasture about 1 pm. when the grass is snow covered, obviously he will be getting hay all the time. is this too much? is there anything that anyone can suggest to get exercise for him? sometimes i walk him down our dead end dirt road, which is pretty good since there are only two farms on it, so little traffic. plus, it's flat and easy to walk on even in the dark. i want to do the best by him, but i sure dislike our minnesota winters. thanks laurie and oz
Re: winter questions
This message is from: "Ruth Bushnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> i live in minnesota, on a small farm. > i am wondering how to keep oz from getting fat. right now we have no snow, so he's in the pasture about 5 hours a day. ...obviously he will be getting hay all the time. > is this too much? is there anything that anyone can suggest to get exercise for him? Laurie By saying "he will be getting hay all the time," I assume you are speaking only in a seasonal sense and that he will not have free access to hay, which would do him much harm. Fjords need to have their hay meted out to them in careful portions... if he begins to expand, cut back! All hay is not equal value, nor are all bales same density. (a sheaf from one bale could be five times as fattening as one from another lesser value bale) I think about the best thing you could do, given your circumstances, is allow him to continue his pasture routine into the winter, let him wade around through the snow and paw for forage... this is the natural order of a Fjord and they love it. Of course I realize that the snow can become too deep, or the ice too treacherous some days, but allow him to roam as long as possible. You might think about hiring a person to walk/work him, perhaps have a "play date" with another neighbor horse that has an arena or a graded run. good luck with Oz, maybe you'll have a mild winter. best, Ruthie, nw mt US
Re: questions
This message is from: David Hagen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I love to dig for answers on the internet so I'll take a crack at these questions. > Why are the manes cut 2 different ways? Personal preference. Cutting the white part shorter makes the dorsal stripe more visible. >I have heard the style where the black portion stands up over the dun >color is from Norway and >the style where the 2 colors are cut even is from Holland. Is that correct? Judging by the pics on a Norwegian web site (http://www.fjordhest.no/bilder.asp) and other pics that I saw on Dutch sites, I think it's probably the other way around. The Norwegian Fjords all seem to have level cuts. The Dutch have the bi-level cut. >Are the Fjords related to the Przeworski? I have heard not, but that the >Fjord breed goes back for 2,000 years. Przewalski's horse is a different subspecies. They have 66 chromosomes. Fjords and all other domestic horses have 64. Just for fun I looked up how many Donkeys have -- 62. > Colors are red, brown, grey, yellow and white? The usual colors are Red Dun, Brown Dun, Grey, Yellow Dun (a single creme gene on a Red Dun) and White Dun (a single creme gene on a Brown Dun), but cremello (two creme genes on any color) is also possible. I think there's only one of those in the USA (a gelding - FG Luna). > How many times am I going to hear the word "cute"?! A LOT!!! :-) Best regards, David Hagen
RE: questions
This message is from: "Frederick J. Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Forgot to mention that the Fjord is NOT related to the Przeworski. Different number of chromosomes (two extra). Fred All Mail is scanned in AND out by Norton Anti-virus 2004. Fred and Lois Pack Pack's Peak Stables Wilkeson, Washington 98396 http://www.geocities.com/friendlyfred98 Are the Fjords related to the Przeworski? I have heard not, but that the Fjord breed goes back for 2,000 years. Colors are red, brown, grey, yellow and white? Anything else other people who have manned booths think I should know? How many times am I going to hear the word "cute"?! Thanks, Valerie
RE: questions
This message is from: "Frederick J. Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Valerie, Later today, by private email, I'll send you a scan of the official NFHR brochure that I used at Equitania 2004 in Puyallup, WA in October. It should be easy for you to print some up. I, personally, can not answer the question about the manes. Go to: http://www.nfhr.com/BREEDSTA.html#BREED%20HISTORY%20AND%20TYPE for the ancestry history and colors of Fjords. Fred All Mail is scanned in AND out by Norton Anti-virus 2004. Fred and Lois Pack Pack's Peak Stables Wilkeson, Washington 98396 http://www.geocities.com/friendlyfred98 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 11:13 AM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: questions This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am going to be manning the Fjord booth at our upcoming Equine Affaire and I have some questions. I know some things about the Fjord, but do not want to pass on information that is faulty, so I thought I would ask the list for some definitive answers on these questions I might get asked. Why are the manes cut 2 different ways? I have heard the style where the black portion stands up over the dun color is from Norway and the style where the 2 colors are cut even is from Holland. Is that correct? Are the Fjords related to the Przeworski? I have heard not, but that the Fjord breed goes back for 2,000 years. Colors are red, brown, grey, yellow and white? Anything else other people who have manned booths think I should know? How many times am I going to hear the word "cute"?! Thanks, Valerie
questions
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am going to be manning the Fjord booth at our upcoming Equine Affaire and I have some questions. I know some things about the Fjord, but do not want to pass on information that is faulty, so I thought I would ask the list for some definitive answers on these questions I might get asked. Why are the manes cut 2 different ways? I have heard the style where the black portion stands up over the dun color is from Norway and the style where the 2 colors are cut even is from Holland. Is that correct? Are the Fjords related to the Przeworski? I have heard not, but that the Fjord breed goes back for 2,000 years. Colors are red, brown, grey, yellow and white? Anything else other people who have manned booths think I should know? How many times am I going to hear the word "cute"?! Thanks, Valerie
RE: Woodstock show questions
This message is from: "LYNN BINKOWSKI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Marcy, Thanks so much for the information. Just want to make sure we do our best. I will focus on a safe, stress-free trip and do whatever gait seems best. Thanks for the support! -Lynn From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Woodstock show questions Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 17:24:46 -0400 This message is from: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 01:09:41 + From: "LYNN BINKOWSKI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Woodstock show questions Anyway, I do have a few questions I hope someone can help with... - - How is the cross country - ridden class judged? Is it based on an optimal time? Are there ridden hazards? - - In the green horse jumping class...do you have to canter 100% of the time? We are still green at jumping and I don't think we'll manage that. But, it sounds like fun and I'd like to try. Hi Lynn, Hope you make it to the Woodstock shop, you won't regret it. It's a ton of fun and very beginner and gree nhorsefriendly.Ifyouarenotsureabout anything, just ask management or any of us "oldies". Cross country is usually judged one of two ways: one - high and low times are thrown out, times averaged and the one closest to the middle wins. Other way is the course is ridden ahead of time and and optimum time chosen. Riders closest to optimum time wins. Mel Gobel can give you the definitive answer - he'll be designing the course. I can tell you that what's looked for is a good trot pace, not overly fast, not real slow. Obstacles are crossing through water, ride through a covered bridge, sometimes past balloons or flags and zig zaging through driving obstacles. No jumping. There are spotters out on course with walkie talkies ready for helping if necessary. Green horse jumping can be cantered or trotted or a little of both. Of course a horse that cantered and got its lead changes would pin over one that trotted, given they both had a clear round. The jumps are inviting, the course simple, the crowd appreciative. Hope to see you there. Marcy Baer Briar Hill Farm http://www.briarhillfarm.com
Woodstock show questions
This message is from: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 01:09:41 + From: "LYNN BINKOWSKI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Woodstock show questions Anyway, I do have a few questions I hope someone can help with... - - How is the cross country - ridden class judged? Is it based on an optimal time? Are there ridden hazards? - - In the green horse jumping class...do you have to canter 100% of the time? We are still green at jumping and I don't think we'll manage that. But, it sounds like fun and I'd like to try. Hi Lynn, Hope you make it to the Woodstock shop, you won't regret it. It's a ton of fun and very beginner and green horse friendly. If you are not sure about anything, just ask management or any of us "oldies". Cross country is usually judged one of two ways: one - high and low times are thrown out, times averaged and the one closest to the middle wins. Other way is the course is ridden ahead of time and and optimum time chosen. Riders closest to optimum time wins. Mel Gobel can give you the definitive answer - he'll be designing the course. I can tell you that what's looked for is a good trot pace, not overly fast, not real slow. Obstacles are crossing through water, ride through a covered bridge, sometimes past balloons or flags and zig zaging through driving obstacles. No jumping. There are spotters out on course with walkie talkies ready for helping if necessary. Green horse jumping can be cantered or trotted or a little of both. Of course a horse that cantered and got its lead changes would pin over one that trotted, given they both had a clear round. The jumps are inviting, the course simple, the crowd appreciative. Hope to see you there. Marcy Baer Briar Hill Farm http://www.briarhillfarm.com
Woodstock show questions
This message is from: "LYNN BINKOWSKI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi, I'm psyching myself up for my first trip as a competitor to the Woodstock show. For the 4 years I've owned my fjord I've always told myself "next year I will bring my horse to the show" but of course I never have! Meanwhile, forces are working against me this year as well -- just found out I need an emergency root canal the week before the show, and I'm also getting married 3 weeks afterward! Stress? What stress?!?! Guess I'll take my inspiration from Lance Armstrong and fight through it all! Anyway, I do have a few questions I hope someone can help with... - How is the cross country - ridden class judged? Is it based on an optimal time? Are there ridden hazards? - In the green horse jumping class...do you have to canter 100% of the time? We are still green at jumping and I don't think we'll manage that. But, it sounds like fun and I'd like to try. Any help is appreciated to allay my fears! ALSO...my friend Wendy may come along for a day or two of the weekend to cheer me on. She is a certified equine massage therapist, so I thought I'd see whether anyone might be interested in treating their fjord to a massage. She does a great job and will be a presenter at Equine Affaire this year. -Lynn Binkowski Cromwell, CT
Re: Fjord Newbie with questions
This message is from: "jgayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Welcome Karma and love your enthusiasm. First thing I would do, knowing it was a place where sick animals have been treated would be to sterilize stalls, mats etc. If that is possible. There seem to be plenty of fjords for sale on this list and I am sure you will have lick at Libby. Great time there. Jean G Author "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 46-49 Send $20 to: PO Box 104 Montesano, WA 98563
