Re: Digital camera
Jon Glass wrote: Personally, while I still prefer chemical for serious stuff, I find myself wishing I had a good digital camera. I haven't bought one yet, because I can't afford the quality I want. :-) So, I keep shooting chemical, being careful on what I shoot (because of the cost) and scanning the better results. My solution was to get a very cheap (less than $200 used) digital camera and use it for things I know I want to distribute only via the www. This way I still have quality with no more investment (film) and digital when needed (mostly eBay stuff), and I can still take my high quality film images I create underwater and scan them if I really need them on the web. Until I can afford a digital camera that can equal Kodachrome (and someone starts making them) I will stick with film. by the way, the digital recorders respond to light differently than film too, so if you were to shoot identical images on film and digitally you will see a difference beyond just pixels. Both formats have their place in life, and will for some time, but I must say I was told in 1990 while working in a high end camera store in Rochester, NY that film cameras would be dead in 10 years because of digital. It's been 13 and they are still making film cameras, granted they are suffering a slump in sales growth due to digital, but not dead.. yet. -- Alan Miller Underwater Photographer http://home.earthlink.net/~uwphoto/ 9600/233 w/ G3/400 XLR8 ZIF, 1.5 G RAM eBay ID uwphotoer Live each day like it is your last because someday you'll be right. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Digital camera... or not
On 3/31/03 3:57 PM, bramke posted: I want to introduce myself into the world of digital photos, mainly family snapshots for screen and webuse I have a 8600/G3 with all PCIslots filled, and no USB available, and a Powerbook G3 Kanga (not cardbus compliant) snip So what are my options ??? The only option I can come up with is the use of a PCMCIA adaptor for CompactFlash cards (or other memory cards) but I have some questions with this : * Pro/con of this route ?? Pro: If you go with Compact Flash, it's cheap and fast. About $12.95 for the PC Card adapter. Avoid Smart Media at all costs -- PC Card adapter is vastly more expensive. It's also very, very fast. * Is this possible in the 16bit PCMCIA slots of the Kanga ?? Should be, since these are standard PC Cards, not CardBus devices. * Do I need special software to read the cards, or do they just show up on the desktop like a CD ?? Should show up right on the desktop. That's the way it worked in my TiBook and my wife's old WallStreet. May depend on what version of the Mac OS you're using though. * Can I write to the CFcards (backup, I've read of booting from them, what about formatting them) ?? Definitely. I use an old 8 MB card that's been formatted HFS+ to move files. Remember that if you format the card in your Mac, you will have to reformat it in the camera before you can use it in the camera. I don't suggest formatting a CF card on the Mac unless you plan to use it only for computer purposes. * What's the maximum size of CFcard the Kanga can handle (I've read about type I and II)?? 4 GB, which costs a lot more ($1500) than your Kanga is worth. ;-) * Difference between CF and the others (Smartmedia,...) which seem to require more expensive adaptors, any preferences ?? CF is highest capacity and has been available for ages, is supported by more cameras than any other format, and costs less than newer media types (xD Picture, SD). SmartMedia and Memory Sticks are limited to 128 MB; CF, xD, and SD do not have this limitation. * Are there any other things to consider going this route ?? Or other possibilities (SCSI) ?? Have heard of SCSI adapters, but they are rare and costly. Without USB on either machine, a CF card for the PCMCIA slot in your Kanga is definitely your best bet. For a good introduction to digital photography and choosing the right camera, head over to Low End Mac's sister site, digigraphica.com -- Dan Knight, president, Cobweb Publishing, Inc. http://cobwebpublishing.com http://lowendmac.com http://digital-views.com http://digigraphica.com http://lowendpc.com http://reformed.net -- insert clever tagline here -- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Digital camera
On 3/31/03 5:54 PM, Ryan Coleman posted: I disagree. I work in a photolab and to get the kind of shots that are reprintable to the size needed to match 35mm would cost you between $3500 and $7500 right now. Stick with film, maybe get a SCSI negative scanner if you need it. But don't go digital yet. I do sports photography and I always have a 35mm backup to my Nikon D100 just in case something goes awry. The battery in the digital needs to be recharged once a week, but my 35mm has had the same 4AA's for the last three years (I shoot about 500 rolls of 35mm a year). I can't figure out which post Ryan is responding to. I work half-time in a local camera shop, where I'm a 35mm and digital expert. At this point, digital can match the quality of film unless you're shooting with a 4x5 camera. There are lots of variables in digital photography, but the most important one is megapixels. Even a lowly 1 megapixel (MP) camera will give you just great 4x6 snapshots. I've made reasonably sharp 5x7s from my 1.3 MP Canon PowerShot A50. Part of this depends on how you're making your final print. If you're using a color inkjet printer, a resolution of 180-200 dots per inch in the original file is fine. Using the lower figure: 4 x 6 = 720 x 1080 pixels = 0.78 MP 5 x 7 = 900 x 1260 = 1.13 MP 8 x 10 = 1440 x 1800 = 2.6 MP 11 x 17 = 1980 x 3060 = 6.0 MP 20 x 30 = 3600 x 5400 = 19.4 MP Of course, 20 x 30 poster prints tend to be viewed from further away, so 150 dpi resolution would be fine, which requires 13.5 MP. Today's top-end digital SLR from Kodak has a 14 MP imager. If you're going to print out using a large inkjet system, you could easily pull off a 20 x 30 poster. For other processes, such as dye sublimation or wet printing (producing the final print on photographic paper), you need higher resolution. A local lab does top quality work when customer files are provided at 250 dpi 4 x 6 = 1000 x 1500 = 1.5 MP 5 x 7 = 1250 x 1750 = 2.2 MP 8 x 10 = 2000 x 3000 = 6 MP 11 x 17 = 2750 x 4250 = 11.7 MP 16 x 20 = 4000 x 6000 = 24 MP The difference is because of the way inkjet prints tiny dots to the screen while other processes are dye-based. For the better quality output, you have to double the number of pixels. If you're having prints done in a digital minilab, these are the figures you want to use. You can get excellent 8x10 dye-based prints from 5 MP cameras and the few 3 MP FujiFilm models (such as the 601 and 602) that create 6 MP files within the camera. The same may apply to the Sigma SLR with the new Foveon imager. But for sharpest results, a camera with a 6 MP or better imager will do the job. There are some models available for as little as $500 than can produce 6 MP files (the Fuji 601), although the zoom range is somewhat limited. If you want the ability to change lenses, you're looking at $1,500 minimum for a camera body, such as the just announced 6 megapixel Canon EOS 10D. Unless you're doing large art prints, 6 MP should be plenty of quality. The step beyond that is Kodak's 14 MP beastie ($4,000 plus the cost of Nikon-mount lenses), which can easily create a gorgeous 12 x 18 miniposter using dye-based processes or a very nice 20 x 30 print using inkjet technology. Unless you can justify the expense of a $1,500 camera body, serious photographers may as well stick with film for the next year or two. Minolta has a wonderful new $300 film scanner that all the computer and photo magazines are raving about; with it you can create 11 MP files from your 35mm slides or negatives. (Also a great way to get the best of your old images into your computer.) Film vs. digital depends on your needs. For the average snapshooter, a 2 MP camera is all they'll ever need. For those who might make an 8x10 once in a while, a 3 MP camera will do the job. But for demanding photographers, you really want 5 MP as a realistic minimum -- and a lot more than that if you plan on going beyond the 8x10 level of print. (BTW, guess which Mac geek was a camera geek before he got involved with computers?) -- Dan Knight, president/\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign Cobweb Publishing, Inc. \ / No HTML/RTF in email http://cobwebpublishing.com X No Word docs in email http://lowendmac.com / \ Respect Open Standards! http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/9910/27.deb.shtml -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive:
Re: Digital camera
The Minolta Dimage Scan Dual III got good reviews in MacWorld this month, but I still like my Nikon 4000ED which has twice the resolution of the Minolta. Tom on 4/6/03 12:34 PM, Ryan Coleman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 1:08 PM -0400 4/6/03, Nick wrote: Minolta Dimage Scan Dual III -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Digital Camera ...
The other option one might have is one I have become fond of. During baseball season I can shoot anywhere from 10-20 rolls of film per day. I am using these shots for baseball cards, magazines and 8x's that I am having signed. Digital is fine for the cards but for prints digital is not going to give me the results I need. However, the cheapish alternative to printing EVERY roll of film you shoot is have your rolls developed straight to scans I founf that costco can do this for me for around $7.25 per roll straight to CD - I then use my nikon film scanner for the really High res images or just use to catalog my images with something like Extensis Portfolio.. Just my thoughts. Good luck Derrick -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Digital camera...or not
Well, thank you all for the great number of replies (already 3 digest went through before I can answer) Seems like going with the compactflash adaptor and a digital camera that uses these cards is, in my case, the best way because : * cheaper than a cardreader, if I can find a SCSI-one at all (no USB or FireWire ports available on my Macs, and adaptor is cheaper than trading in the Sonnet IDE card and getting a Trio IDE/USB/FireWire card). * works with the Kanga, and Kanga is portable, just like the digital camera is. * no additional software nescessary (PC exchange comes with the OS). * big CFcards available. * faster transfer as through a cable. and additional advantages : * don't need to ditch the soundcard (Audiomedia III with ProTools, you'll understand I do not want to let this one go) as someone suggested. * extended batterylife for the camera, maybe also for the Kanga if it can boot from a CFcard (as I've read somewhere) Disadvantages : * tied into an adaptor which can read only CF. (I can live with that, it's not a major investment of money) * tied into a single machine (in my possession) which can receive the data from the camera (I can live with that, when Kanga would die, I'll probably replace it with a Pismo, which has USB and PCMCIA reader, and given time and money, the 8600 will be replaced by a G4/dual) And for those wondering, I do not intend to stop using my 35mm camera, it's just the conveniance of digital photography I'm after. I have a ColorOne 600/27 scanner and a Epson photostylus 800 (not the most fancy equipment ;-), so forget printouts, it's purely for digital use. For the camera I'm looking at the Canon Powershoot range (A40/A60/IxusV2) and the Pentax Optio230, they received good reviews, they look okay (= like a normal compact camera), seem easy to use and take CF (type I) I'll let you all know how things go when I've made the decision thanks to all, Bramke -- Bramke [EMAIL PROTECTED] Belgium (digest-mode) -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Digital camera... or not
Hello all, I want to introduce myself into the world of digital photos, mainly family snapshots for screen and webuse, but I have run into some problems. I need a way to get the digital pictures from the camera to the Mac, and this is where it seems to go wrong. I have a 8600/G3 with all PCIslots filled, and no USB available, and a Powerbook G3 Kanga (not cardbus compliant), and about all recent digital cameras talk USB... * I won't buy an other Mac, just for the sake of getting USB. * I'm not looking forward to the serial connection like the Quicktake camera family. * Getting the Kanga cardbus compliant is out of the question. So what are my options ??? The only option I can come up with is the use of a PCMCIA adaptor for CompactFlash cards (or other memory cards) but I have some questions with this : * Pro/con of this route ?? * Is this possible in the 16bit PCMCIA slots of the Kanga ?? * Do I need special software to read the cards, or do they just show up on the desktop like a CD ?? * Can I write to the CFcards (backup, I've read of booting from them, what about formatting them) ?? * What's the maximum size of CFcard the Kanga can handle (I've read about type I and II)?? * Difference between CF and the others (Smartmedia,...) which seem to require more expensive adaptors, any preferences ?? * Are there any other things to consider going this route ?? Or other possibilities (SCSI) ?? I would like some real world experience and hands-on knowledge. Does anybody use this route with digital cameras ?? TIA, Bramke For completeness : 8600/G3-450/928MBram/PCIvideo/PCIsound/PCI-IDE cards PB G3-250 Kanga/160MBram All OS 9.1 -- Bramke [EMAIL PROTECTED] Belgium (digest-mode) -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Digital camera... or not
I have a 8600/G3 with all PCIslots filled, and no USB available, and a Powerbook G3 Kanga (not cardbus compliant), and about all recent digital cameras talk USB... Does the G3 have FireWire available? There are FireWire readers for most common media types, slightly more expensive than USB ones. The only option I can come up with is the use of a PCMCIA adaptor for CompactFlash cards (or other memory cards) but I have some questions with this : That's a viable option, though those cards are generally more expensive. * Is this possible in the 16bit PCMCIA slots of the Kanga ?? I believe I've seen 16bit card readers. * Do I need special software to read the cards, or do they just show up on the desktop like a CD ?? I think you'd need drivers. For USB this isn't an issue, as the card readers use the USB Mass Storage spec which is supported on almost every USB implementation, but there isn't an equivalent standard for PCMCIA. * Can I write to the CFcards (backup, I've read of booting from them, what about formatting them) ?? They're just media, like a solidstate floppy. You can do anything your system supports. * What's the maximum size of CFcard the Kanga can handle (I've read about type I and II)?? That's a physical/electrical spec, not a capacity one, BTW. * Difference between CF and the others (Smartmedia,...) which seem to require more expensive adaptors, any preferences ?? The readers are about the same price; indeed there are many multiple-format readers out that handle the common formats. It's usually determined by what your camera of choice uses. * Are there any other things to consider going this route ?? Or other possibilities (SCSI) ?? I would go FireWire if possible as a more generic solution (if you have FW ports available). I would like some real world experience and hands-on knowledge. Does anybody use this route with digital cameras ?? You haven't really defined your route. If you're asking if people use external readers instead of transferring directly from the camera; yes, many people do this for a variety of reasons: camera battery life, camera protection against drops, faster transfer speeds, workflow integration, etc. KeS -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Digital camera... or not
bramke wrote: I would like some real world experience and hands-on knowledge. Does anybody use this route with digital cameras ?? My real world use of digital cameras is for listing eBay stuff and web photos. For any quality. film's the way. I have an older olympus D320L 1.3 mega pixel camera and transfer images via a flash path floppy adapter. Most old macs have not problem with floppies.. it's faster than serial, but not the most elegant. Works for me.. and was cheap. I have to much $ in my other 10+ film cameras. A nikon slide scanner is my solution for high quality digital images... -- Alan Miller Underwater Photographer http://home.earthlink.net/~uwphoto/ 9600/233 w/ G3/400 XLR8 ZIF, 1.5 G RAM eBay ID uwphotoer Live each day like it is your last because someday you'll be right. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Digital camera... or not
On Monday, March 31, 2003, at 12:57 PM, bramke wrote: For completeness : 8600/G3-450/928MBram/PCIvideo/PCIsound/PCI-IDE cards What's the sound card for? My setup: 8600/G3 400/bunch o RAM/PCI video card/PCI-IDE card/PCI USB card I have an older digital camera that was serial connection only (which really drains the batteries, so I have a USB smart card reader. Turtle-Bear -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Digital camera
Is there such a thing as a USB to ADB connector? I use a Nikon coolpix 800 and download using a cardreader connected to the USB port on my Pismo- it's really fast! I have never used a camera so much with such creative latitude (I manipulate the images in Photoshop 6.0) in my life. I think that film ($$$) and not knowing how things were looking inhibited a playful atitude-and without that I didn't go back for more... now I do! Ed -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Digital camera
Ed Zelinsky wrote: I think that film ($$$) and not knowing how things were looking But I spent years studying how things would look.. -- Alan Miller Underwater Photographer http://home.earthlink.net/~uwphoto/ 9600/233 w/ G3/400 XLR8 ZIF, 1.5 G RAM eBay ID uwphotoer Live each day like it is your last because someday you'll be right. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Digital camera
Ed Zelinsky wrote: on 3/31/03 3:58 PM, Alan Miller at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ed Zelinsky wrote: I think that film ($$$) and not knowing how things were looking But I spent years studying how things would look.. I did not mean to disparage film... Just a very personal reaction to a device that is more intuitive now than it used to be. None taken, film and digital images are still different as the both handle light differently. It's just easier to get feedback with your digital images due to the faster results, shortening the learning curve. Both will still require some learning. Film just uses silver ;-( so it costs more. -- Alan Miller Underwater Photographer http://home.earthlink.net/~uwphoto/ 9600/233 w/ G3/400 XLR8 ZIF, 1.5 G RAM eBay ID uwphotoer Live each day like it is your last because someday you'll be right. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Digital camera
Ryan Coleman wrote: I disagree. -- Original Message --- From: Ed Zelinsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have never used a camera so much with such creative latitude (I manipulate the images in Photoshop 6.0) in my life. I think that film ($$$) and not knowing how things were looking inhibited a playful atitude-and without that I didn't go back for more... now I do! I think a cheap used digital like a 1.3 mega pixel for under $150 is a great deal if you just want to post stuff to the web. But if you are going to use it as your only camera then I agree that film is still a higher quality item. -- Alan Miller Underwater Photographer http://home.earthlink.net/~uwphoto/ 9600/233 w/ G3/400 XLR8 ZIF, 1.5 G RAM eBay ID uwphotoer Live each day like it is your last because someday you'll be right. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Digital camera... or not
bramke on 3/31/03 2:57 PM wrote: The only option I can come up with is the use of a PCMCIA adaptor for CompactFlash cards (or other memory cards) but I have some questions with this : * Pro/con of this route ?? * Is this possible in the 16bit PCMCIA slots of the Kanga ?? * Do I need special software to read the cards, or do they just show up on the desktop like a CD ?? The PCMCIA adapter will work just fine on your Kanga. Up until I got my iBook, I was using one on a PB1400 and a Wallstreet G3. I also tried it in a PB3400 and a PB5300 which worked fine. Now I either use the USB cable, or a small USB adapter (to conserve the camera batteries). No software or drivers required. It will appear just like a zip, CD etc. * Can I write to the CFcards (backup, I've read of booting from them, what about formatting them) ?? You can write to the various media (CF, SmartMedia, etc.) but I wouldn't recommend reformatting them or you won't be able to use them with you camera again, at least until you reformat it again in the camera. * What's the maximum size of CFcard the Kanga can handle (I've read about type I and II)?? The Compact Flash (CF) card only comes in one physical size, so that's a moot point. You can get it in a number of different storage sizes though, but even this does not matter as far as the Kanga being able to handle it. BTW, the PCMCIA adapter (for CF or SmartMedia) is a type one card. * Difference between CF and the others (Smartmedia,...) which seem to require more expensive adaptors, any preferences ?? SmartMedia cards physically are much smaller than CF, but there really should be little if any difference in the cost of a PCMCIA adapter. I bought my adapter about 18 months ago for $15. I think I got it at Target. Just shop around. The biggest difference I've seen is the capacity of CF vs. SmartMedia. Because SmartMedia is so much smaller physically, the amount of storage is also limited. The largest SmartMedia I've seen is 128MB, while CF is up to 1GB. Price wise they cost about the same per MB of storage. Check out dealram.com for some price comparisons. Look under memory cards. Right now I am using an Olympus Camedia C-2040 Zoom, 2.1 megapixel camera. It's an older camera but I love the image quality and I especially love how well it does in low light. I have two 64MB SmartMedia cards and so far they've served me well, and I take a lot of pictures. One of the best thing about digital is that you can take lots and lots of pictures. This is especially nice when you shoot a bunch and then later go through and pick out the best shots. On class trip to Washington DC last year (I chaperoned my son's class) I shot almost 1300 pictures in 4 days. I narrowed it down to about 350 images and was able to put together a terrific slide show for the students using iPhoto, which I turned into a QuickTime movie afterwards. If you want a good source for reviews, check out dcresource.com, they have a wide variety of -Mark -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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Ed Zelinsky wrote: Is there such a thing as a USB to ADB connector? No. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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The PC Card Adapters work great, Cardbus or not (I have used mine - Smart Media - on Kanga and Powerbook 5300c). I would buy a snapshot Digital Camera using the following criteria: 1) 2 or 3 Megapixel (good enough for the occasional 8.5x11 print for friends/family and definitely all webpublication purposes) 2) non-proprietary battery (AA or AAA) - this takes care of the running out of power problem and makes the camera useful everywhere in the world (as long as you take some spare batteries). For environmental reasons it is always good to use rechargeables (LiIon) anyways. 3) Compactness/Ruggedness. I have experience with a couple of different Olympus D-Series iterations and they are great in that respect. 4) Zoom (3 times optical is nice). 5) Quicktime Movie ... added bonus and expanding on what you can do to spruce-up your i-Photo show. Yes, a digital camera in this pricerange (up to 300 USD) can not replace traditional film for professional quality prints, but it will work for most applications that the average user has, IMHO. And let me tell you: You save tons of money on prints and it is a blast to be able to view pictures immediately and show them on any TV/Computer while they are still fresh. HTH, YMMV, tobias. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Digital camera... or not
On Monday, March 31, 2003, at 02:57 PM, bramke wrote: For completeness : 8600/G3-450/928MBram/PCIvideo/PCIsound/PCI-IDE cards PB G3-250 Kanga/160MBram All OS 9.1 I would bite the bullet and get a combo IDE/USB/FW card like the Sonnet Tempo Trio. Otherwise, I'd nix the sound. USB is just too valuable these days to go without, especially if digital camera use is a priority for you. --Chris iBook 700 OS X.2.4 PM 7500/200 OS 9.1 PM 4400/200 OS 8.6, NetBSD -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Digital camera... or not
At 9:57 PM +0200 3/31/2003, bramke wrote: Hello all, I want to introduce myself into the world of digital photos, mainly family snapshots for screen and webuse, but I have run into some problems. I need a way to get the digital pictures from the camera to the Mac, and this is where it seems to go wrong. I have a 8600/G3 with all PCIslots filled, and no USB available, and a Powerbook G3 Kanga (not cardbus compliant), and about all recent digital cameras talk USB... * I won't buy an other Mac, just for the sake of getting USB. * I'm not looking forward to the serial connection like the Quicktake camera family. * Getting the Kanga cardbus compliant is out of the question. So what are my options ??? Note, your Kanga may already be CardBus compliant. Apparently the electronics are and the only question is the card cage. Apparently some were shipped with CardBus card cages and will work as is. The problem is that you won't know until you try it which means buy or borrowing a CardBus card. The only option I can come up with is the use of a PCMCIA adaptor for CompactFlash cards (or other memory cards) but I have some questions with this : * Pro/con of this route ?? * Is this possible in the 16bit PCMCIA slots of the Kanga ?? I have both CompactFlash and SmartMedia adapters in use on my Kanga. I was on a three day camping / railfanning trip and at night I'd pop the SM card in and suck them all into the laptop. About 200 pictures a night. * Do I need special software to read the cards, or do they just show up on the desktop like a CD ?? Only File Exchange or PC Exchange (depending on the OS version), it's part of the OS install. This is needed as the cameras us PC disk formatting. * Can I write to the CFcards (backup, I've read of booting from them, what about formatting them) ?? To format them for Mac you have to turn off File Exchange or PC Exchange and restart. Otherwise you don't have the Mac format option available. * What's the maximum size of CFcard the Kanga can handle (I've read about type I and II)?? It should handle any card out there. The largest I've used is 64 Mb. Type I, II and III refer to the PC Card form factor, not CF. The Kanga can use any of them but a Flash adapter is likely a Type II. There are different speeds of CF (and I think SM too) showing up now. If your camera can use the faster speed then it's a plus. Otherwise it's not a lot of use. The main advantage is the camera can shoot faster. * Difference between CF and the others (Smartmedia,...) which seem to require more expensive adaptors, any preferences ?? SM seems to be stalled at 128Mb although there have been persistent rumors of higher capacity Real Soon for a while. Depending on your camera, 128Mb may be enough. I get about 256 shots on a card with a 2MP camera. I've come close to filling one up in a day but never quite made it. I would stick with CF or SM. They have wider support. I've used both and don't find any particular advantage of one over the other. The only problem I've had is that SM cards are so small and thin that I have to be extra careful to avoid dropping it. CF adapters are cheap as the CF card is basically a miniature PC Card. SM takes some electronics to read the card so they are a little more expensive. I would make the decision between CF and SM based on the features of the camera. * Are there any other things to consider going this route ?? Or other possibilities (SCSI) ?? There is a SCSI device for reading PC Cards and CF. I don't know if it will do SM but it should. Finding one is unlikely though. I would like some real world experience and hands-on knowledge. Does anybody use this route with digital cameras ?? TIA, Bramke For completeness : 8600/G3-450/928MBram/PCIvideo/PCIsound/PCI-IDE cards PB G3-250 Kanga/160MBram All OS 9.1 I use both a 7500 w/ USB and CF/SM reader and my Kanga w/ PC Card adapter for reading flash memory. At home I use the 7500 usually as it has a 100BaseT connection to the server where the picture files are archived. On the road I use the Kanga. When I first bought the camera it came with an 8Mb card and I bought the 128Mb card knowing I'd be needing the space. The whole arrangement works quite well. As I said, I've never managed to use up the whole 128Mb card in a single day. So downloading the pictures daily takes care of things quite well. There are only two times I've filled up the card. When I first bought the camera the card reader didn't arrive for a week and Thanksgiving and other pictures filled it up. The other time we were on vacation, I hadn't downloaded the pictures and didn't realize it until Iwas away from the car and the laptop. Actually in that case I don't think I filled it up but it did inhibit me from taking as many pictures as I might have. That is one thing, I am taking about four times as many pictures with the digital camera as with the film SLR. In many
Re: Digital camera
Ryan Coleman wrote: I disagree. I work in a photolab and to get the kind of shots that are reprintable to the size needed to match 35mm would cost you between $3500 and $7500 right now. Stick with film, maybe get a SCSI negative scanner if you need it. But don't go digital yet. I do sports photography and I always have a 35mm backup to my Nikon D100 just in case something goes awry. The battery in the digital needs to be recharged once a week, but my 35mm has had the same 4AA's for the last three years (I shoot about 500 rolls of 35mm a year). I think you're missing the point. Yes, to a large extent, if you're serious about film, digital cannot match film, yet, but 99% of the photographers in the world *never* progress beyond 4x6 enlargements from Walgreens. They'd be perfectly well served by a digital point-n-shoot instead of the 35mm point-n-shoot they have. But the liberating feeling that Ed is talking about comes from the fact that I can take 100 pictures with my digital camera, see the results *immediately* and toss the ones I don't want, and not worry about paying for developing 4 or 5 rolls of film, truding off to Walgreens to drop them off, or pick them up, or the wait between what you think you shot and when you see what you actually shot. Most people are, as Ed is, inhibited by the thought that 'each shot I take is gonna cost me $X', whereas a digital camera is free (yes, I know about the costs associated with increased battery consumption, etc, but frankly, it's a lot cheaper than buying and developing film.) I've had professional and serious amateur photographers tell me that they've improved their skills noticeably within days of getting a decent digital camera, simply due to the immediate feedback. Moreover, with most photographic subjects, they can go right back and get the shots they missed, due to the instant feedback. It *is* an extraordinarily liberating experience. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Digital camera... or not
Mark Kippert wrote: bramke on 3/31/03 2:57 PM wrote: The only option I can come up with is the use of a PCMCIA adaptor for CompactFlash cards (or other memory cards) but I have some questions with this : * Pro/con of this route ?? * Is this possible in the 16bit PCMCIA slots of the Kanga ?? * Do I need special software to read the cards, or do they just show up on the desktop like a CD ?? The PCMCIA adapter will work just fine on your Kanga. Up until I got my iBook, I was using one on a PB1400 and a Wallstreet G3. I also tried it in a PB3400 and a PB5300 which worked fine. Now I either use the USB cable, or a small USB adapter (to conserve the camera batteries). The PCMCIA adapters are plain vanilla PCMCIA...the compact flash one I have works in my 540C just fine. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Digital camera (oops, I went OT)
I will say this here once: Never EVER take your film to Walgreens. For those of you (or Proex or Walmart) here who want to see better results, contact me off list and I will give you the information of the lab I work in. I can give you reasons upon reasons of why you need to stay away from those places and even make a deal on developing your film all the way here in Minneapolis. -- Original Message --- From: Bruce Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (G-Books) Sent: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 16:21:44 -0700 Subject: Re: Digital camera Ryan Coleman wrote: I disagree. I work in a photolab and to get the kind of shots that are reprintable to the size needed to match 35mm would cost you between $3500 and $7500 right now. Stick with film, maybe get a SCSI negative scanner if you need it. But don't go digital yet. I do sports photography and I always have a 35mm backup to my Nikon D100 just in case something goes awry. The battery in the digital needs to be recharged once a week, but my 35mm has had the same 4AA's for the last three years (I shoot about 500 rolls of 35mm a year). I think you're missing the point. Yes, to a large extent, if you're serious about film, digital cannot match film, yet, but 99% of the photographers in the world *never* progress beyond 4x6 enlargements from Walgreens. They'd be perfectly well served by a digital point-n-shoot instead of the 35mm point-n-shoot they have. But the liberating feeling that Ed is talking about comes from the fact that I can take 100 pictures with my digital camera, see the results *immediately* and toss the ones I don't want, and not worry about paying for developing 4 or 5 rolls of film, truding off to Walgreens to drop them off, or pick them up, or the wait between what you think you shot and when you see what you actually shot. Most people are, as Ed is, inhibited by the thought that 'each shot I take is gonna cost me $X', whereas a digital camera is free (yes, I know about the costs associated with increased battery consumption, etc, but frankly, it's a lot cheaper than buying and developing film.) I've had professional and serious amateur photographers tell me that they've improved their skills noticeably within days of getting a decent digital camera, simply due to the immediate feedback. Moreover, with most photographic subjects, they can go right back and get the shots they missed, due to the instant feedback. It *is* an extraordinarily liberating experience. I'm not missing the point, at least what I see as the point. Digital photos are not reprintable. The best quality will get you a 4x6 period.But I see people come in here all the time (these people are novices) getting 5x7, 8x10 and even 12x18's of photos because the price is right. BTW, a 1.3MP camera is a 3x5 print, not a 4x6. Yes, the immediate response on know what you got is nice, but if the world were fair we would never have to check our photos because we know what we shot. I have that on a daily basis (but I do have the experience of 10+ years of shooting film). And when it comes to any type of camera, prints or developing: You get what you pay for. -- Ryan Coleman System Administrator LEMLists.com/CobWebPublishing http://www.lemlists.com/ -- This message was sent via the LEMLists.com WebMail service -- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Digital camera (oops, I went OT)
On Monday, March 31, 2003, at 05:54 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote: I will say this here once: Never EVER take your film to Walgreens. For those of you (or Proex or Walmart) here who want to see better results, contact me off list and I will give you the information of the lab I work in. I can give you reasons upon reasons of why you need to stay away from those places and even make a deal on developing your film all the way here in Minneapolis. without even having a conflict of interest in making the recommendation (*cough*), i whole heartedly agree with Ryan here. but alas, we are very quickly getting very far off-topic. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Digital camera (oops, I went OT)
On 03/31/2003, Ryan Coleman wrote: I will say this here once: Never EVER take your film to Walgreens. For those of you (or Proex or Walmart) here who want to see better results, contact me off list and I will give you the information of the lab I work in. I can give you reasons upon reasons of why you need to stay away from those places and even make a deal on developing your film all the way here in Minneapolis. Okay Ryan, tell me - I'd like to hear your take, since I operated a full-time professional studio for over 5 years before getting out of it (a little before my divorce, but not for that reason). Used Mamiya TB67 and Hasselblads for about all of my work (with a Polaroid back for testing as needed). Still have one Hassy and some A12 backs plus some of my lenses, BTW. So tell me about your lab. I used several and had B+ results overall (used a lab out of SWest Missouri a lot due to their reliability and safety procedures they used). Some pro labs were good in some areas but very few covered all the usual bases I needed (weddings/candids, commercial, large prints, special mountings/finishes, etc.). Jim Rohde Art is the demonstration that the ordinary is extraordinary. - Amedee Ozenfant -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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From: Ed Zelinsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (G-Books) Sent: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 15:51:32 -0500 Subject: Re: Digital camera Is there such a thing as a USB to ADB connector? USB _to_ ADB. No. ADB _to_ USB. Yes, and the most popular (and exceptionally well supported I might add) is the iMate from Griffin Technology (it does everything, including hook up an ADB kitchen sink to USB). That said, there is one exception to the USB-ADB thingy and I think that applies to some mice but that would be a three-way adaptor. USB-PS2-ADB. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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On Monday, March 31, 2003, at 08:05 PM, Eric D. wrote: That said, there is one exception to the USB-ADB thingy and I think that applies to some mice but that would be a three-way adaptor. USB-PS2-ADB. mice that support the usb-PS2 thingy actually have the circuitry for both USB and PS2 embedded in the mouse, and the adapter really just adapts the connector itself. a true adapter would actually include circuitry to convert a PS2 signal to USB or visa versa. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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RE; yes, griffen made one and it did work,but it gave me so many other system problems I returned it,this was at the time the first mac came with usb,a hockey puck and a tiny keyboard for my huge hands LOL,I think it was called I-mate On Monday, March 31, 2003, at 06:02 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: Ed Zelinsky wrote: Is there such a thing as a USB to ADB connector? -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Digital camera
RE; My opinion, I did not repeat entire message, Anyway, I love my 2meg digital camera,I knew little of photography,however, the ability to shoot vast numbers of pictures and then printout only the two or three without blemishes has just made a world of difference in useing a camera,otherwise for me it was just too frustrateing and expensive to enjoy takeing pictures because of all my beginners mistakes.even if you plan to become a film photographer, a digital is the way to learn,and you will,I also think that pretty soon you will begin to get results you had not thought possable, just because learning is so affordable. as for me my nikon 775 was $299 at best buy plus extended warranty, as compared to a film camera I never used enough because processing a hundred pictures only a few of which I want is expensive as heck, I made it all back with the first car I rewired with it.just my luck so far. best wishes But the liberating feeling that Ed is talking about comes from the fact that I can take 100 pictures with my digital camera, see the results *immediately* and toss the ones I don't want, and not worry about paying for developing 4 or 5 rolls of film, truding off to Walgreens to drop them off, or pick them up, or the wait between what you think you shot and when you see what you actually shot. Most people are, as Ed is, inhibited by the thought that 'each shot I take is gonna cost me $X', whereas a digital camera is free (yes, I know about the costs associated with increased battery consumption, etc, but frankly, it's a lot cheaper than buying and developing film.) -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: wallstreet and digital camera, CF card OK, smartmedia is not
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 22:11:43 -0500 Subject: Wallstreet vs Canon PowerShot camera Help From: Norm Kamp [EMAIL PROTECTED] What I think they are saying is I cannot use my PDQ with their camera, since it does not have a built-in USB interface. I do have a USB PC card installed and it works with anything that I tried. Any input would be appreciated. Norm Kamp Norm I use my MacAlly USB card to connect to my Olympus D-100 and it works fine. I would caution against putting a Smart media card into the PC card slot. Unlike compact flash cards smart media cards don't have any on-board electronics and can be corrupted by being read in a MAC card slot. As a result I use the USB connection so the camera's electronics will do the translation. If your camera has a compact flash card you should have no problem. -- Andrew King Ann Arbor Michigan technology is the answer, what was the question? -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: wallstreet and digital camera, CF card OK, smartmedia is not
At 1:05 PM -0600 12/13/2002, Andrew wrote: I would caution against putting a Smart media card into the PC card slot. Unlike compact flash cards smart media cards don't have any on-board electronics and can be corrupted by being read in a MAC card slot. I've had no problem reading SmartMedia cards in a PC Card adapter. To what do you refer? -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: wallstreet and digital camera, CF card OK, smartmedia is not
Clark Martin wrote: At 1:05 PM -0600 12/13/2002, Andrew wrote: I would caution against putting a Smart media card into the PC card slot. Unlike compact flash cards smart media cards don't have any on-board electronics and can be corrupted by being read in a MAC card slot. I've had no problem reading SmartMedia cards in a PC Card adapter. To what do you refer? I suspect it may be a camera specific thing. If I read the CF from my camera on my Mac it actually puts the invisible Desktop files on the card. The pictures are stored in a folder (on mine) called PHOTO650 (I have an Epson PhotoPC 650) but if they're just stored as loose shots at the root of the card, these invisible files might give the camera fits. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: wallstreet and digital camera, CF card OK, smartmedia is not
At 1:58 PM -0700 12/13/2002, Bruce Johnson wrote: Clark Martin wrote: At 1:05 PM -0600 12/13/2002, Andrew wrote: I would caution against putting a Smart media card into the PC card slot. Unlike compact flash cards smart media cards don't have any on-board electronics and can be corrupted by being read in a MAC card slot. I've had no problem reading SmartMedia cards in a PC Card adapter. To what do you refer? I suspect it may be a camera specific thing. If I read the CF from my camera on my Mac it actually puts the invisible Desktop files on the card. The pictures are stored in a folder (on mine) called PHOTO650 (I have an Epson PhotoPC 650) but if they're just stored as loose shots at the root of the card, these invisible files might give the camera fits. Putting the invisible files on the disk is a function of PC Exchange / File Exchange, not the type of flash memory. I haven't seen a camera yet that puts it's pictures in the root folder. Even if it did, other files being there shouldn't bother it. In any event, the Mac isn't corrupting anything. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Good, inexpensive digital camera/Lag time
On Fri, Apr 19, 2002 at 02:02:56PM -1000, Aron Nelson wrote: : : Do you have one that doesn't have any lag after shooting? The Nikon D1X can do 9 shots in 3 seconds. The Nikon D1H is even faster. -- Eugene Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Good, inexpensive digital camera
This web site answers many of the questions about permanence of color in photographic paper and, I believe, in ink jet inks. http://www.wilhelm-research.com/ --- Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 16:00:57 -0500 Subject: Re: Good, inexpensive digital camera From: Thomas Ethen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Don't forget the archival quality of film over digital! Tom I do love film, much richer colors and depth, but it is too expensive, in the long run, and just one huge hassle. In this case, I will take convenience and price over quality and hassle. Unfortunately. However I lament. P- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Good, inexpensive digital camera/Lag time
On 4/20/02 4:21 PM, (G-Books) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apparently most/all Digital cameras have lag time after the shot. I have tried many at CompUSA and Circuit City and they all had lag after shooting. The lag times are even parts of the review process on web sites now. Do you have one that doesn't have any lag after shooting? Aron I am no professional photographer, but in my experience with the common household film camera...every one that I have owned has a lag time that is no more/less than my digital I use now. Even conventional cameras have to wait for the charging capacitors to charge up for the flash. If I turn the flash off of my digital (HP Photosmart 318) I can shoot, and shoot and shoot without worrying about any lag time. I have no use for taking 5 pictures in one second, so I can't gauge THAT type of lag. 1/100th, 1/1000, 1/12000 shutter...means nothing to me, nor will it ever unless I take photography up as my job. If that ever happens, then I will rethink my opinions. Of course I normally shoot at the lowest quality setting for easy transmittal over email to family., so that has an effect I am sure. When I bump up the quality..there is more lag as it writes it to the CF I am sure. I have left the film roll for the digital as my common household camera, and I will never go back. Walt -- Bill Gates house was designed on a Macintosh. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Good, inexpensive digital camera/Lag time
Walter R Basil wrote: Of course I normally shoot at the lowest quality setting for easy transmittal over email to family., so that has an effect I am sure. When I bump up the quality..there is more lag as it writes it to the CF I am sure. Yeah, I just tested this with my Epson (PhotoPC 650) 1.3 MP camera. At lowet quality (640 x 480 jpeg) it took about a second and a half from shutterpress to shutterpress. At highest quality (1152x864) it took about 7 seconds. This is, however, with a relaitively slow Lexar CF card (4x). Lexar sells 12X in their pro series now which would shorten the time. The 8mb card that cae with the camera is faster, but the 4X one was cheap when I got it, for an 80 mb card (It's nice looking at the number of shots I can take on that one: 300 at fine quality, which is indistiguishable, mostly, from the highest quality.) Also, my Epson is pretty old and slow as far as digital cameras go. A Nikon Coolpix I recently used was considerably faster. Bruce -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: long term data storage (was digital camera)
Then you will have the best of both worlds! The archival property of film and the convenience of digital. I scan my negatives and store them on CD for distribution to others and will scan prints for some uses, but you have much more control over digital print quality when scanning from the negative. When you scan from the negative, you are at the mercy of the printer and how good a job they did reading the negative. Tom I have boxes and boxes (8X10 Ilford Paper boxes) of prints from my years working as a news photog. I don't even see getting rid of them. Now I need a GOOD scanner to get 'em into my external firewire drive. gene -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Good, inexpensive digital camera
Film is infinitely better and cheaper than digital. I have done it both ways now, and film is so much cheaper than digital there is no comparison.Film is also infinitely superior in quality---by at least 3 orders of magnitude. As an example, scanning Fuji ASA-800 film on my 2400 * 2400 dpi HP scanner, I am not even close to seeing any grain in the film. And Fuji 800 is a much faster film than any digital camera--with regard to any specific contrast and resolution standard. A scan of a 35mm negative at 2400dpisq (a real 2400 not virtual 2400) creates a file roughly in the 40-70 meg range that would swamp any camera if it had to store it. A proper 40,000dpisq scan from say a Nikon coolscan would be Signifiacantly more troublesome. Film has dramatically higher color and contrast depth than digital pictures.A disposable camera produces much superior photos to even the most expensive electronic camera---and not merely because of pixels--but because of resolution and contrast or depth. You might think that scanning from a print would be better than scanning from a negative--after all 2400 dpi on a negative gives a total resolution of only about 3300 by 2200 for the picture, whereas the print gives a much higher resolution scan. But it turns out that the negative has greater depth. And so I have found negative scans to be far superior than print scans---even though I don't have a Nikon Coolscan. ( I have an HP 5490c scanner---don't get it--get one compatible with Vuescan software---HP is notorious for not supporting their hardware with drivers and I am afraid that this scanner is no exception--the odds of ever seeing an OSX version of the driver are getting slimmer and slimmer and apparently the scanner's USB port runs from a parallel to USB converter inside. So the scans are great--but in system 9 only) For years, film has evolved to en extremely efficient medium. Everyone knows (or should know) that there is a difference between Kodachrome and Ectachrome--not to mention KodaColor and Fuji and Agfa and so forth. Kodachrome and Ectachrome both give accurate colors, but those colors feel different and have a different mood. As another example, print film (eg Kodacolor) has a much wider exposure range (plus or minus 4 stops) compared to chrome (viz slide) film. And chrome is an order of magnitude superior to digital. For all practical purposes, electronic photos are useless, except for use online--where you expect bad quaility and don't have the bandwidth to show good quality, or for snapshots where you neither enlarge nor crop. And if you don't do these things:Why go digital anyway?? Furthermore, when it comes to taking pictures, the electronic camera requires a huge supply of rechargeable batteries and there is always a delay when shooting--so you cannot use electronic cameras to take any action shots. I have tried a couple of cameras and they all want to do stuff before you shoot--instead of letting you shoot. Printing photos off the computer and onto a printer is so difficult and requires so much time, I think I could probably do it faster in a basement darkroom. I have spent hours on a single photo. I just don't have that kind time for any but the special photos. And I do take that time for special photos. I do spend a lot of time on special photos--but now I start out with film--and then crop. You can't crop electronic photo's because by the time you are finished cropping there is no picture information left for the enlargement. Finally, be aware that ink jet ink fades within 4 years--even if the picture is covered in a book. Epson claims to have archival quality inks--but I haven't seen any quality reviews of these. (even color photo prints fade to black and white over time---but ink jet prints have no underlying black white). (I use a color laserwriter--but I have no idea how many years these prints will last. My 35 mm Nikon FA batteries last 7-8 years-and it will still operate at -20 below with no batteries at all. Even with seven or eight sets of batteries, I cannot take electronic photos in the field over the course of a day. For example, no one can take electronic photos of a soccer game because of the bad lenses, the low resolution--AND because of the batteries. I have seen some great big batteries--but I have not seen any that could stay on-full for 3 hours--even though some video cams do. With a film camera, you can tell from the mood of the picture what lens you have used or what film you have used. I have only played around with a few digital cameras but my impression is that although lenses are very critical for 35mm film--Nikor, Canon, Zeiss lenses offer a superior quality that could be visible to a soccer mom-- I am not sure how much good a better lens will do for digital photos because I am not sure the recording medium is there yet
Re: Good, inexpensive digital camera
These are not inexpensive digital cameras that we are talking about now! An inexpensive 35mm film camera (less that $100) will outshoot any inexpensive digital camera (less than $300) out there when it comes to photographic sharpness. Having used the D1X (5.33 Megapixel) and an EOS-1D (4.06 Megapixel), I can say that they are both great digital cameras, but with digital limitations as well as digital advantages. Their limitations are the pixels that the camera is able to record on its CCD and most important to me, the lag time involved between the highest quality images. They are great for giving instant feedback on your photograph and they do a respectable job of delivering a quality product on a professional level. With that said, both my Hasselblad 501 and my Pentax 67 will shoot rings around both of those cameras when it comes to photographic sharpness and the ability to do enlargements. Tom How do you feel about the Nikon D1X? -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Good, inexpensive digital camera
I find film to be one of the largest nuisances of the 20th and 21st centuries. It's a pain to use film and film companies have nothing but themselves to blame for not making developing easier. They should have contrived some contraption to take your film (easy-load, which finally has made an appearance), stick it in, and inexpensively shoot out pictures. And wire the pictures to your computer for digital storage on a CD. If that was available, I'd stick with film. I do love film, much richer colors and depth, but it is too expensive, in the long run, and just one huge hassle. In this case, I will take convenience and price over quality and hassle. Unfortunately. However I lament. P- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Good, inexpensive digital camera
Thomas Ethen wrote: These are not inexpensive digital cameras that we are talking about now! An inexpensive 35mm film camera (less that $100) will outshoot any inexpensive digital camera (less than $300) out there when it comes to photographic sharpness. Having used the D1X (5.33 Megapixel) and an EOS-1D (4.06 Megapixel), I can say that they are both great digital cameras, but with digital limitations as well as digital advantages. Their limitations are the pixels that the camera is able to record on its CCD and most important to me, the lag time involved between the highest quality images. They are great for giving instant feedback on your photograph and they do a respectable job of delivering a quality product on a professional level. With that said, both my Hasselblad 501 and my Pentax 67 will shoot rings around both of those cameras when it comes to photographic sharpness and the ability to do enlargements. They also sell really high res digital backs for those...and the cameras are *cheap* compared to those ;-) Yes, you're right, a cheap 35mm camera will outperform most digital cameras on the market today, even high-end ones. A $300 Canon EOS SLR will outperform them all, no doubt. But that's a far, far cry from saying digital cameras are 'useless', which the previous poster said. I'd guess that digital cameras are still 3-5 years from surpassing film in performance (and I'm an optimist, it could be longer). There are some serious developments occurring in both CCD and CMOS imaging technologies, such as Foveron's multilayer sensor: http://www.foveon.net/X3_tech.html -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Good, inexpensive digital camera
Don't forget the archival quality of film over digital! Tom I do love film, much richer colors and depth, but it is too expensive, in the long run, and just one huge hassle. In this case, I will take convenience and price over quality and hassle. Unfortunately. However I lament. P- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Good, inexpensive digital camera
Actually I love both digital and film and use both on a daily basis! I am still unsure as to what will be done for storage when the digital camera catches up with film, since the files will be incredibly large. Tom I'd guess that digital cameras are still 3-5 years from surpassing film in performance (and I'm an optimist, it could be longer). There are some serious developments occurring in both CCD and CMOS imaging technologies, such as Foveron's multilayer sensor: http://www.foveon.net/X3_tech.html -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Good, inexpensive digital camera
Thomas Ethen wrote: Actually I love both digital and film and use both on a daily basis! I am still unsure as to what will be done for storage when the digital camera catches up with film, since the files will be incredibly large. Tom Austin PowersPsychedelic Holocubes, baybee!/ap Seriously, this is one of the most promising uses of holographic data storage, and working 3D storage units do exist in pre-production labs. http://www.sciam.com/2000/0500issue/0500toigbox5.html http://www.eetimes.com/story/OEG20010423S0113 http://sci.newsfactor.com/perl/story/17174.html Note they're looking at quite high speed writing and reading of these things, and the write-once nature of the closest to commercial application (the last of the three cites above) is more advantage than impediment to the market (the film companies would LOVE to sell you an endless supply of holocubes instead of film...) -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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Of all the good points you brought up, this one is the killer for me. I was TOTALLY into my digital camera until I recently went to a party and I wanted to take pictures FAST. NO WAY! I got one shot off and had to wait while the damn thing took its time getting ready for the next shot. Not only that, the flash takes a while to charge up too. That alone is painful. Aron there is always a delay when shooting--so you cannot use electronic cameras to take any action shots. I have tried a couple of cameras and they all want to do stuff before you shoot--instead of letting you shoot. -- --- Aron Nelson Audio Bytes Corporation 1050 Queen Street #300 Honolulu, HI 96814 808-589-2727 FAX:808-589-2626 -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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My Olympus 2100 can take up to 2 pictures a second when not using the flash. My previous film camera was no faster with or without the flash. We simply got tired of the shoe boxes full of prints. Have been using digital for two years and would have an additional 50+ sets of prints for the shoe box. I will agree that a digital camera has some quirks but overall is a nice replacement for the home film camera. I was TOTALLY into my digital camera until I recently went to a party and I wanted to take pictures FAST. NO WAY! I got one shot off and had to wait while the damn thing took its time getting ready for the next shot. Not only that, the flash takes a while to charge up too. there is always a delay when shooting--so you cannot use electronic cameras to take any action shots. I have tried a couple of cameras and they all want to do stuff before you shoot--instead of letting you shoot. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Good, inexpensive digital camera/Lag time
That is not a basic problem of digital cameras. That is a basic problem of the model you have. Apparently most/all Digital cameras have lag time after the shot. I have tried many at CompUSA and Circuit City and they all had lag after shooting. The lag times are even parts of the review process on web sites now. Do you have one that doesn't have any lag after shooting? Aron -- --- Aron Nelson Audio Bytes Corporation 1050 Queen Street #300 Honolulu, HI 96814 808-589-2727 FAX:808-589-2626 -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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Speaking of expensive (:--)), has anyone tried, or seen (in person) the new Sony DSC-F707? It received some good reviews (speed-wise) on the dpreview.com site. I have a house full of old 35mm Nikons from my old news photog days. Now have a disability and am researching a move to digital. Want higher quality. That Sony seems nice. Gene -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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Hang on to that shoe box of prints and negatives, since they will still be usable when the digital prints are long gone. My film camera shoots 5 frames per second, but its biggest plus compared to digital is that it turns on instantly for photo's that show up unexpectedly, unlike all digital cameras. Tom on 4/19/02 6:33 PM, Dick Grable at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My Olympus 2100 can take up to 2 pictures a second when not using the flash. My previous film camera was no faster with or without the flash. We simply got tired of the shoe boxes full of prints. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Good, inexpensive digital camera/Lag time
Most digital cameras have a continuous shoot mode which allows you to shoot a number of shots fairly quickly (until your buffer runs out) and then they usually take around 7 to 10 seconds to recover and be able to do this again. The smaller the file size the more shots that can be taken in rapid succession, while the larger the size the less shots that can be taken. In single shot mode, all digital cameras have some lag time between shots and they all take from 5 to 8 seconds to start up after being turned off. Tom Do you have one that doesn't have any lag after shooting? Aron -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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Sony offers the DSC-S75, a 4 MP camera with a black body. It's pretty slick. Almost got one myself, but opted for the Canon s110 Elf. I love how small the camera is, and take it with me everywhere. All of Sony's camera are great. The biggest advantages of the designs come from their experiences with the digital camcorder line. Most higher end Sony cameras now have Ziess lens. I would also highly recommend any Sony. The best thing I love about digital cameras is the ability to share images. My wedding photo was shot digitally and was shared among all our guests instantly across the country over the net. Then we mailed each guest a CD of the full 500+ images of our wedding for 33 cents per disk. That is not possible with regular film. Vic In a message dated 4/19/02 8:16:02 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Speaking of expensive (:--)), has anyone tried, or seen (in person) the new Sony DSC-F707? It received some good reviews (speed-wise) on the dpreview.com site. I purchased a Sony DSC-S70 about a year ago, a 3.34MP camera with a Zeiss lens. I use it professionally in my marketing/advertising business, and have been VASTLY satisfied with both the quality of the photos and the versatility of the camera itself. I recently photographed about 300 pieces of Middle Eastern antiquities using the macro mode and was amazed at the clarity of the images using only natural light in the room... extreme detail, very sharp. Yes, there IS a lag, esp. depending on the resolution of the image/size of the file being stored; but I no longer have drawers of photos/negatives I have to go through... I have the images all stored on disk, ready to use without scanning. I'd recommend my Sony camera without hesitation, but I don't think they're making that particular model any longer... perhaps the new models have the Zeiss lens? RLM -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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Kodak offers a photo CD with every roll of film you have processed by them if you want it. Tom My wedding photo was shot digitally and was shared among all our guests instantly across the country over the net. Then we mailed each guest a CD of the full 500+ images of our wedding for 33 cents per disk. That is not possible with regular film. Vic -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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In a message dated 4/20/02 12:29:41 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kodak offers a photo CD with every roll of film you have processed by them if you want it. I hope Kodak has upgraded that service in the last year or so... I had clients bring me their disk from Kodak expecting the scans to be good... they were sorely disappointed in the quality. RLM -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Good, inexpensive digital camera/Lag time
Most digital cameras have a continuous shoot mode which allows you to shoot a number of shots fairly quickly (until your buffer runs out) Right, I have this, but this is a compromise. Anyway, back to Powerbooks! Aron -- Aron Nelson - [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Keyboards, Computers, Pianist, Guitar My Stompbox Page: http://surf.to/stompbox, http://firebottle.net/stompbox -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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On to another topic! Would I be better off using a remote FireWire HD or using the one in my Pismo/400 for digital capture? If a remote, should I use the FireWire port or a PC Card adapter for FireWire for the fastest transfer? Tom -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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Mr. Jeff Lentz, Thank you for the site reference of www.dpreview. I just spent a half an hour (with many more to come) viewing this site. Thank you! Just an aside (you probably already know this), If you put the full web address in, it becomes an active clickable link, as... http://www.dpreview.com Again, thank you for an enjoyable site. With respect John McKee Jeff Lentz wrote: I also highly recommend www.dpreview.com (no association with me whatsoever). It's a very comprehensive site for digital camera information. - Jeff Lentz Jeff Lentz wrote: I also highly recommend www.dpreview.com (no association with me whatsoever). It's a very comprehensive site for digital camera information. - Jeff Lentz -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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Also, use the paper made my the manufacturer of your printer to get the best results from your setup. Tom The trick to getting really good photos is to use photo-quality paper. I have an Epson Stylus 650 (originally $79, got it free in a bundle), but I use genuine Epson glossy photo paper ($0.50/sheet) and tinker with the many photo-compensation settings in the printer driver to get some really decent-looking shots. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Good, inexpensive digital camera
On Sunday, April 14, 2002 10:39 PM, Luca Rescigno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- I'm looking to get a digital camera, but I'm not sure what's good considering how many different models are out there. I'm willing to spend no more than $300, so what could I get in that price range that would work with FireWire (I have a Wallstreet 233 with a FireWire cardbus)? You might want to check out this great digital camera site: DIGITAL PHOTOGRAPHY REVIEW. Has lots of info. This is their general URL: http://www.dpreview.com/ This is their review URL: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/compare.asp Good luck. Gene -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Good, inexpensive digital camera
-- I'm looking to get a digital camera, but I'm not sure what's good considering how many different models are out there. I'm willing to spend no more than $300, so what could I get in that price range that would work with FireWire (I have a Wallstreet 233 with a FireWire cardbus)? I'm not sure what you want here, a firewire enabled camcorder, of which there are many. Or a digital camera, of which I am not sure any come with a firewire port. Assuming it is a digital camera you seek, look for one that uses a compact flash memory card, and just get a pcmcia adapter. I have found some of the best camera reviews on this website http://www.steves-digicam.com. Very thorough reviews. Prices can sometimes be out of date though. Your best bet is to find the features that are most important, then narrow down the field to your price range. You should be able to find at least a 2 megapixel camera for that price. Also, a quick check on the computer geeks web site revealed this camera http://www.compgeeks.com/details.asp?invtid=MDC3000 for $199.00. I don't know anything about the mustek camera, but I have used there scanners before. They're ok, not the highest quality, but they get the job done. Lee -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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Hello, Make sure to consider what you want to do with your photos. If you plan to make prints, you'll want to get the best resolution you can for your money. I use mine solely for sending via email or to use on web pages. I got the low-end Sony (DSC-20, I think), and it's been great. It has a USB cable to connect it directly to my iBook. Since I have OS X and iPhoto, as soon as I plug in the cable, iPhoto fires up and is ready to go. The LCD screen on the cam is among the best I've seen. Even friends with more expensive digital cameras like the screen on mine better than their own. Like another poster said, FireWire still cams are a rarity and is usually reserved for digital video cams. However you can get a FireWire digital video cam with the ability to take still photos. Have fun, Philip -- I'm looking to get a digital camera, but I'm not sure what's good considering how many different models are out there. I'm willing to spend no more than $300, so what could I get in that price range that would work with FireWire (I have a Wallstreet 233 with a FireWire cardbus)? -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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Luca, I love my Coolpix 800 and there are some refurbished models left at www.abesofmaine.com--they come with a 90 day warentee and cost around $230- It is a 2.11 megapixel camera and that is a pretty good size. Also, check out www.dpreview.com- it is a great digital camera review site! Ed Zelinsky Luca Rescigno wrote: -- I'm looking to get a digital camera, but I'm not sure what's good considering how many different models are out there. I'm willing to spend no more than $300, so what could I get in that price range that would work with FireWire (I have a Wallstreet 233 with a FireWire cardbus)? -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Good, inexpensive digital camera
On 15/04/02 11:22, patrick fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am on my third digital camera. It is a Fuji 4700 and I absolutely love it. It has a lot of great, fine features. They have it at computergeeks for $339 and it is USB, though. And it has an optical zoom. Very sweet camera. And it records movies!!! I think you can still get $20 off if you put Geek4700 in the specials box when you order. I would suggest at least 2.1 megapixel. At the very least. The price of cameras shoots up when you add an optical zoom onto it. You pay through the nose for that feature. Any most digital camera is good. What you should look for is features and cost. And there are excellent review sites on the internet. Find a camera and go to Google and type review and there are a handful of excellent camera review sites. When I see the ongoing prices for digital cameras, it strikes me that something is still wrong. To get a good camera, not even matching a good SLR, you will pay the price that you would pay for an advanced-amateur/pro SLR. $1000 will almost get you the Minolta Maxxum 9, the top of the line at Minolta, or a very nice Nikon N90. To get similar result of those of a SLR, you would have to plunk over $5000. I don't know, maybe I'm not getting it, but still, you would think that digital cameras should be cheaper than SLR, since they have far less mobile parts that require precision engineering (like with a 1/12000th exposure). Just a thought... -Laurent. -- = Laurent Daudelin Developer, Multifamily, ESO, Fannie Mae mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Washington, DC, USA ** Usual disclaimers apply ** BUAG // n.: [abbreviation, from alt.fan.warlord] Big Ugly ASCII Graphic. Pejorative term for ugly ASCII art, especially as found in sig blocks. For some reason, mutations of the head of Bart Simpson are particularly common in the least imaginative sig blocks. See warlording. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Good, inexpensive digital camera
Good point. I wonder what the answer is to that. They should be cheaper. Maybe it is the CCD that costs so much. Still, I don't think they should cost as much as they do. On the other hand, prices are plummeting year by year. I don't know, maybe I'm not getting it, but still, you would think that digital cameras should be cheaper than SLR, since they have far less mobile parts that require precision engineering (like with a 1/12000th exposure). Just a thought... -Lau -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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on 4/15/02 11:22 AM, patrick fisher at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am on my third digital camera. It is a Fuji 4700 and I absolutely love it. I have the Fuji 2600 and I also love it. GREAT 2.1 megapixel photo quality, 3x optical zoom, 16 meg card, rechargeable batteries AND charger all for $279. Price performance ration is very solid here. It's a little plastic feeling and the sliding lens cover is slightly annoying but these are minor gripes. Brian -- 12) Ignoranus: A person who's both stupid and an asshole. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Good, inexpensive digital camera
On Monday, April 15, 2002, at 09:54 , lee wrote: -- I'm looking to get a digital camera, but I'm not sure what's good considering how many different models are out there. I'm willing to spend no more than $300, so what could I get in that price range that would work with FireWire (I have a Wallstreet 233 with a FireWire cardbus)? http:///www.megapixel.net is a good source for reviews, and http://www.buydig.com has some of the best prices. look on http://www.pricewatch.com for price comparisons. I had a Kodak DC3400 before upgrading to an Olympus C-3030. The DC-3400 was about $250 the last I looked and is a decent, easy-to-use camera. It only supports JPEG compression, though. The DC-3400 has its flaws, but it makes a great first camera. GmG -- Nothing good comes from the earth anymore. -Jet Black, Cowboy Bebop, 2071 -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Good, inexpensive digital camera
Laurent Daudelin wrote: When I see the ongoing prices for digital cameras, it strikes me that something is still wrong. To get a good camera, not even matching a good SLR, you will pay the price that you would pay for an advanced-amateur/pro SLR. $1000 will almost get you the Minolta Maxxum 9, the top of the line at Minolta, or a very nice Nikon N90. To get similar result of those of a SLR, you would have to plunk over $5000. I don't know, maybe I'm not getting it, but still, you would think that digital cameras should be cheaper than SLR, since they have far less mobile parts that require precision engineering (like with a 1/12000th exposure). Five magic words for you, Laurent: What the market will bear While the CCD chips on these cameras are expensive, particularly the larger ones, accounting for a goodly portion of the final cost, a lot of the pricing is that the demand for digital cameras is very high, which keeps prices up. There's also the relentless pace of technological innovation in digicams. A state of the art digicam two years ago was 2 megapixels. Today it's 5 or higher. These companies cannot economically sell these older cameras like they can, say an EOS body which has been made with few changes for what, a decade or more? These are all new electronics, mechanicals, and assembly lines. Finally, there's the question of the rest of their camera lines. 35mm and APS film use nearly the same size negative, at least compared to the CCD chips in most consumer digicams. http://www.minoxlab.com/Don_Krehbiel/mpl/dknegsiz.htm shows the negative size of various film formats. Let's take, for example, my latest digicam lust object, the Canon Proshot 90is (Because of it's gorgeous,long, bright zoom lens.) it's ccd chip is 8.1 x 6.4 mm. (2140 x 1560 total pixels, 3.34 Mpx). At equivalent resolution, a 35mm frame (24 x 36 mm) is 9510 x 5850 pixels or *55.6* megapixels... That means digital cameras can't use the same optics and mechanicals as their established, amortized 35mm and APS production lines. A smaller 'negative' means that a shorter focal length lens is required to give the equivalent performance. CCD chips are finally approaching the size of 35 mm and aps negatives. This means two things: Big Honkin' File sizes: a 56 megapixel image is huge. A raw 56 Mpx image at 24bit color is 160 megabytes in sizesuddenly that IBM 1G microdrive looks like the 8 mb card that came with my little camera...it'll hold 6 shots. The camera makers will be able to leverage their investment in 35 mm and APS tooling and optics, which, in theory, should bring down prices and improve performance. This is years down the line, though, IMO...there are a lot of other stumbling blocks, like moving that much data around in a timely fashion, compressing it in camera (which they'll have to do, and mild JPEG compression does wonders for camera card file size!) and storing it, all without something like a belt-fed battery compartment spitting dead AA cells out the side like a machine gun...;-) -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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Since we are on the subject of Olympus cameras, I've found this on www.macdeals.com The D-360 and 370 are excellent budget cameras... Olympus D-370L 1.3M digicam for $95 after coupon 11:49 am OfficeMax.com and OfficeMax retail stores offer the Olympus D-370L 1.3-megapixel digital camera for $119.98. Use a $25 off $100 coupon if available to you to knock the net price to $94.98. With free shipping, it's the lowest total price we've seen on this camera. Features include 1.5-inch LCD, 1280x960 resolution, 4x digital zoom, 2MB internal memory, and USB connectivity. Just to add my experience to the pot. I have been using an Olympus dl360 for a couple of years $300. Not super high res or firewire, (but quick to download with a USB reader - $40.) Does everything I need - ebay pix, emailable JPEGs for friends, super closeups to 4 inches and macro even closer when needed; good battery service on 4 rechargeable AA's. The camera can also be plugged directly into a TV and do its own slideshow very elegantly. You can probably find this camera used for bupkis or only a bit more -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
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1.3 Megapixels, I feel, is not good enough for average photograhy. For web stuff, fine. 2.1 is kind of a minimum, I feel, to decent photography. Still, I should get this camera for my daughter. P Vic Viet Duong wrote: Since we are on the subject of Olympus cameras, I've found this on www.macdeals.com The D-360 and 370 are excellent budget cameras... Olympus D-370L 1.3M digicam for $95 after coupon 11:49 am OfficeMax.com and OfficeMax retail stores offer the Olympus D-370L 1.3-megapix -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Good, inexpensive digital camera
1.3 Megapixels, I feel, is not good enough for average photograhy. For web stuff, fine. 2.1 is kind of a minimum, I feel, to decent photography. The weird part is that I have seen 1.3 megapixel pictures printed out that are great. I wonder how they do that?? I have a 2 megapixel camera and it's ok. I have seen some nice 1 MP pictures though. Aron -- --- Aron Nelson Audio Bytes Corporation 1050 Queen Street #300 Honolulu, HI 96814 808-589-2727 FAX:808-589-2626 -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Good, inexpensive digital camera
My first digital camera was the old Apple QuickTake 7 years ago. The resolution was 600x800, not even 1 megapixel. I was able to use it to print fairly large architectural pictures of my models in college. As Bruce mentioned, it's the optics, AND it's the skills of the user that determines good pictures. I still use my old quicktake for quick web pics. We use an old 1.3 MP D-360 in the office for site photos and it still takes great pictures. So if 1.3MP good enough for a graphic design firm, then its good enough for most people. The whole megapixel issue is kind of like the Mac/PC Mhz myth. Buy a quality camera over quantity. But most important, have fun with your new camera! Vic Duong 1.3 Megapixels, I feel, is not good enough for average photograhy. For web stuff, fine. 2.1 is kind of a minimum, I feel, to decent photography. The weird part is that I have seen 1.3 megapixel pictures printed out that are great. I wonder how they do that?? I have a 2 megapixel camera and it's ok. I have seen some nice 1 MP pictures though. Aron -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Good, inexpensive digital camera
Thought I'd throw my two cents in as I just went through buying a new camera. I settled on the 2.1 megapixel Canon A40, which I found online for $258 (though with $20 shipping). I was a journalist just long enough to know optics are important, and so I went with the Canon. It's an actual camera company and the camera reviewed well on the sites already mentioned on the list. I also recommend thinking through the memory card issue and the battery issue. Another thing the Canon had going for it was AA batteries, as opposed to some of the camera-specific ones some companies use. I bought some rechargeables and can always use regular AAs in a pinch. It uses Compact Flash, though it only comes with a 8MB card -- good for only a few photos. I got a 128MB card at Sam's Club for $54. So the ancillary things ate up near another $100 after I got the camera. The shots I've taken so far are very sharp and up clear. Camera's easy to use works with my USB well. The A-30 is a 1.3 megapixel version of the same camera; don't know the price. Last recommendation: go to pricescan.com and pricegrabber.com to research the costs. They saved me $20. Thanks, joe f. -- Joseph Ferrare [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://homepage.mac.com/jferrare/ -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Good, inexpensive digital camera
On 4/15/02 6:43 PM, (G-Books) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm looking to get a digital camera, but I'm not sure what's good considering how many different models are out there. I'm willing to spend no more than $300, so what could I get in that price range that would work with FireWire (I have a Wallstreet 233 with a FireWire cardbus)? I have bought two of the HP Photosmart 318 digital cameras. You can pick them up at CompUSA for $199, and online for cheaper. I bought mine, and liked it so much, and is so easy to use with iPhoto that I had my wife pick one up for herself so she can email me pictures without having to use conventional film and scanner. It's a 2.3 Megapixel, USB connected camera. Has built in 8 Megs (113 pictures low setting/8 on high) with a slot for a CF card. http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info.asp?product%5Fcode=287265csea rch= for details. Normally I just use it on the cheapest quality (one star) because all my pictures usually get emailed out, and I don't plan on ever printing them. When I do plan on a printing, I change it to the highest quality, and it prints out very well. Looks like a real picture. Hope this helps. -- Walt Basil [EMAIL PROTECTED] MS Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Good, inexpensive digital camera
-- I'm looking to get a digital camera, but I'm not sure what's good considering how many different models are out there. I'm willing to spend no more than $300, so what could I get in that price range that would work with FireWire (I have a Wallstreet 233 with a FireWire cardbus)? -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
