Wallstreet battery charger

[Tom and Lisa Peters]

Does anyone have the manual for a VST external battery charger for 
wallstreet batteries ?  I need to know what the light sequences mean.


thanks,

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Wallstreet battery ?

[Lisa & Tom P]

Do any of the external chargers for Wallstreet batteries offer any 
sort of battery reconditioning ?  I have a few batteries that wont 
charge and Battery Reset doesnt help.


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Re: Wallstreet battery probs?, try battery reset software?

[Andrew in Ann Arbor]

> Hi, gang.   - just picked up a Series II Wallstreet 266.
>
> It won't start up unless AC adapter's connected.  It came with two BTI
> batteries but neither one shows any charge lights when installed, and
> there's no indication that they're charging.
> Red X through battery icon
> in menu bar, Battery Monitor CS module options greyed out.
> I've pulled
> the batteries and disconnected AC, gonna let it sit a while then check
> if it's still holding time; couldn't be as simple as needing new PRAM
> battery, could it?  Anybody seen similar issues with your WS?
Have you tried battery reset?
It's an Apple utility for OS 8.1 and 9 (not sure about 10) that works on 
Wallstreets and Lombards (but apparently not on Pismos) that resets a 
battery's microprocessor.
Works for batteries that are sound but have the internal controller 
confused so they are reported to the computer as dead.

Here's a bit from the readme file:
About Battery Reset 2.0
What Is Battery Reset 2.0?
Battery Reset 2.0 addresses a situation that may occur with some 
PowerBook G3 Series and iBook computers in which the battery, while in 
the system, doesn't show up in the Control Strip, or a red X appears 
over the battery icon in the menu bar.

Battery Reset 2.0 includes two components. For PowerBook G3 Series 
computers, a file called "Battery Updater" is installed in the 
Extensions folder and an application called "Battery Reset" is installed 
on your hard disk. For iBook, only the file called "Battery Updater" is 
needed and is installed in the Extensions folder.

Installation Requirements
To install and use the Battery Reset 2.0 software, you need the following:
A PowerBook G3 Series (family number M4753 or M5343) or iBook (family 
number M2453) computer. The family number is located on the label on the 
bottom of the computer.

Mac OS 8.1 or later installed
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Re: Wallstreet battery probs?

[Stanton Mitrany]

I thought I had fried my PMU (power management unit) and my Wallstreet II
battery a few weeks ago, but followed advice given on this list to run
Battery Reset from Apple. Didn't work. But I tried it twice more, and it
still didn't work. Tried it again two days later, when the battery still
showed no charge.

Then I noticed the other day that, WOW! The battery was now fully charged!

Moral of the story? Have patience. Apparently using Battery Reset, perhaps
repeatedly, and then giving things some time - in my case, more than a week
- and good results may ensue.



> From: Mikael Byström <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: "G-Books" 
> Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 14:49:41 +0200
> To: "G-Books" 
> Subject: Re: Wallstreet battery probs?
> 
> Laurent Daudelin said:
> 
>> It could also be the PRAM battery, but I think
>> that the main batteries have to be in working order for the PRAM battery to
>> recharge.
> 
> I have charged batteries with a dead PRAM on the Wallstreet II and also
> had a working PRAM hold the data (dates and so on) without a working
> battery or even without one. So I think they are unrelated. But the
> charge board coudl have been damaged I suppose or there is no contact
> internally. Also there is the issue with shielding tape touching the
> outer ring on the power adapter connector.
> 
> I'd try the batteries in another wallstreet and if dead there too I'd put
> them in a freezer to see if that coudl help (as have been discussed on
> the list. Have had no such luck myself). Also had a total reset revive
> things once in a WS I.
> 
> If dead, remember to give the batteries to an Apple Centre for destruction.
> 
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Re: Wallstreet battery probs?

[Mikael Byström]

Laurent Daudelin said:

>It could also be the PRAM battery, but I think
>that the main batteries have to be in working order for the PRAM battery to
>recharge.

I have charged batteries with a dead PRAM on the Wallstreet II and also
had a working PRAM hold the data (dates and so on) without a working
battery or even without one. So I think they are unrelated. But the
charge board coudl have been damaged I suppose or there is no contact
internally. Also there is the issue with shielding tape touching the
outer ring on the power adapter connector.

I'd try the batteries in another wallstreet and if dead there too I'd put
them in a freezer to see if that coudl help (as have been discussed on
the list. Have had no such luck myself). Also had a total reset revive
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Re: Wallstreet battery probs?

[Malcolm Cornelius]

>  but I think
> that the main batteries have to be in working order for the PRAM battery to
> recharge.

Why - I would have thought it was more likely to recharge if there were no
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Re: Wallstreet battery probs?

[Laurent Daudelin]

On 20/04/05 17:06, "Gene Osburn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi, gang.  New to the list - just picked up a Series II Wallstreet 266.
> 
> It won't start up unless AC adapter's connected.  It came with two BTI
> batteries but neither one shows any charge lights when installed, and
> there's no indication that they're charging.  Red X through battery icon
> in menu bar, Battery Monitor CS module options greyed out.  I've pulled
> the batteries and disconnected AC, gonna let it sit a while then check
> if it's still holding time; couldn't be as simple as needing new PRAM
> battery, could it?  Anybody seen similar issues with your WS?

It looks like both batteries are dead. It could also be the PMU (Power
Management Unit). Did you try to reset it? Check Apple's web site for
instructions on how to do it. It could also be the PRAM battery, but I think
that the main batteries have to be in working order for the PRAM battery to
recharge.

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[Gene Osburn]

Hi, gang.  New to the list - just picked up a Series II Wallstreet 266.
It won't start up unless AC adapter's connected.  It came with two BTI 
batteries but neither one shows any charge lights when installed, and 
there's no indication that they're charging.  Red X through battery icon 
in menu bar, Battery Monitor CS module options greyed out.  I've pulled 
the batteries and disconnected AC, gonna let it sit a while then check 
if it's still holding time; couldn't be as simple as needing new PRAM 
battery, could it?  Anybody seen similar issues with your WS?

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Re: Source for Wallstreet battery?

[Kenneth Vann]

I had problems getting a battery that worked well, but that problem has
been solved.

I have gotten good bateries from APC (it took three times) and from
http://www.eagleimports.com (it took two times, but the problem was
compunded by problems with there phone,and internet provider (Quest
Telephone)).

Eagle imports is on ebay with better prices than from there web site.

I will buy from both again.

I am satified with both batteries.

Do you need a PRAM battery?

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Re: source for Wallstreet battery?

[Laurent Daudelin]

On 04/04/05 09:41, "Andrew in Ann Arbor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello All
> My father in law reports that his Wallstreet battery is getting weak.
> Can anyone recommend a source for new batteries?
> I'll try Battery Reset but would like options in case it's actually
> expired.

NewerTech is selling higher capacity batteries. You can get them from Other
World Computing <http://eshop.macsales.com/>.

I purchased one myself from Laptops-Battery.com.
<http://www.laptops-battery.com/catalog/product_info.php/manufacturers_id/3/
products_id/5403>. It's $103.70, one of the best price I could find for a
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[Andrew in Ann Arbor]

Hello All
My father in law reports that his Wallstreet battery is getting weak.
Can anyone recommend a source for new batteries?
I'll try Battery Reset but would like options in case it's actually 
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Re: Wallstreet Battery

[Kenneth Vann]

A final update regarding my quest for a working battery:

>APC Returned my phone call, and is sending out a replacement battery.
>>They are paying the shipping cost both ways.

APC provided replacement battery 3 days after that phone call. It Charged
up the first time I tried it. I am now going to do a calibration and see
how much time it will last.


>Eagle Imports agreed to send replacement battery. Will pick up the
>>original battery that tested dead. Will pay for shipping cost for both
>>batteries. I am waiting on replacement to test. If replacement battery
>>does not work, they have agreed to take it back, pay the freight cost,
>>and not charge a restocking fee. Eagle Imports believes that one or more
>>cells in battery is dead.


I Received a pre paid mailer to send defective battery back to Eagle
Imports. Replacement battery arrived 4 days after I mailed first one back.
After charging and calibration it last about 2 1/2 hours with all energy
savings turned off, and playing a QuickTime movie looping continuously.
Quite acceptable. I want to note that Eagle Imports honored their terms of
sale after I was able to establish communication with them. The
communication problems stem from Quest Telephone Co, and a move of their
business at the same time I placed the order on their web site.


In earlier conversion with Other World Computing about their brand of
batteries, they advised me that the charge card in the Wallstreet could be
"week", ie: not strong enough, to handle the larger capacity batteries.
As both batteries have charged up ok, this does not seem to be a problem.


Also both batteries test good in the VST external charger. Both batteries
are a larger capacity than the Apple origional battery, it seems the VST
charger is not calibrated for that, and charges them up to when three of
the lights on the fuel gauge are lit. At that point, the VST Charger
indicates a full charge by giving a Green Light. Perhaps If I left them in
the charger overnight, they will go to full charge. I have not tried that
yet.

Both charge up fully in the Wallstreet without problem.

In the end, it appears I have received 2 bad batteries in my quest for
replacements. I now have two good batteries.

Thanks for all the suggestions I have received from you.

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Re: WallStreet Battery

[Stuart Saunders]

FWIW, I had a Pismo battery rebuilt in Taipei by an electronics shop - 
cost was 3000 NT (~US$ 95)

The battery leds no longer work, but battery did not need 
recalibration; after rebuilding, the battery life display showed the 
same time remaining as before, around one hour, but it would discharge 
to zero, but Pismo would keep operating for much longer. Each time I 
recharged, the battery would show a longer capacity - now showing just 
under 5 hours, on a G4 Pismo 550 Mhz 10.3.7. That is with the lower 
capacity cells than the ones in the 7200 mah batteries - maybe 2000 or 
2200 mah (cells are 3 parallel gangs of 3 in series)

Have not done discharge time test, will do and advise.
YMMV.
On 12/02/2005, at 11:39 AM, G-Books wrote:
Hello all. Can someone direct me to a link for rebuilding the 
battery in a
Wallstreet?

Thanks for all the suggestions I have received from you.
Ken Vann
-
I don't think this has been done successfully. The Lithium Ion battery
pack for the Wallstreet (and others) is a "smart" battery, with an IC
integrated into the circuit. Even if you could find the proper cells
and get them inside the glued together pack, it would be a real
challenge to reprogram the chip for the new cells.
That was exactly my experience. I was able to rebuild my Pismo battery 
after
it went dead but the PowerBook never wanted to recharge it...

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Re: Wallstreet Battery

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On 11/02/05 09:55, "Ken & Anita Daggett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> My Reply follows quote. On 11/02/2005 05:28 [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
> 
>>> Just an Update regarding my quest for a working battery:
>> 
>> Hello all. Can someone direct me to a link for rebuilding the battery in a
>> Wallstreet?
>> 
>> Thanks for all the suggestions I have received from you.
>> 
>> Ken Vann
> -
> I don't think this has been done successfully. The Lithium Ion battery
> pack for the Wallstreet (and others) is a "smart" battery, with an IC
> integrated into the circuit. Even if you could find the proper cells
> and get them inside the glued together pack, it would be a real
> challenge to reprogram the chip for the new cells.

That was exactly my experience. I was able to rebuild my Pismo battery after
it went dead but the PowerBook never wanted to recharge it...

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Re: Wallstreet Battery

[Ken & Anita Daggett]

My Reply follows quote. On 11/02/2005 05:28 [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:  

>>Just an Update regarding my quest for a working battery:
>
>Hello all. Can someone direct me to a link for rebuilding the battery in a
>Wallstreet?
>
>Thanks for all the suggestions I have received from you.
>
>Ken Vann
-
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and get them inside the glued together pack, it would be a real 
challenge to reprogram the chip for the new cells.

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Re: Wallstreet Battery

[Kenneth Vann]

>Just an Update regarding my quest for a working battery:

Hello all. Can someone direct me to a link for rebuilding the battery in a
Wallstreet?

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Re: Wallstreet Battery

[Bruce Johnson]

On Feb 9, 2005, at 9:34 AM, Kenneth Vann wrote:
Eagle Imports returned phone calls after 7 days. Says problems caused 
by
move from Salt Lake City to Logan UT. Says Quest telephone company has
messed up their local POTS and 800 service and their voice mail 
service.
Also Quest provides DSL to company and that has been messed up. I was 
given
a direct phone number to the rep I talked to, so to bypass voice mail.

As a victim, errr, "customer" of Qworst, I feel their pain.
We spent four months trying to get a business DSL hookup working for a 
satellite office to the College. Nothing but runaround and BS from 
Qwest.

Finally we told 'em to  off and we got a cable connection from 
Cox, and it's worked flawlessly ever since.

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Re: Wallstreet Battery

[Kenneth Vann]

Just an Update regarding my quest for a working battery:

>>It would be helpful to others if those being difficult
>>or providing substandard service or materials are
>>clearly identified. What dealers did you deal with?


>APC was direct from them. I am waiting for return phone call.

APC Returned my phone call, and is sending out a replacement battery. They
are paying the shipping cost both ways.



>The other was from Eagle Imports Intl, 2757 So 300 West Suite # D
>Salt Lake City, UT  84115. This is the company that has not responded to
>>my repeat phone calls for a RMA. Will let you know how it goes with >the
>charge card company refunding the charge.

Eagle Imports returned phone calls after 7 days. Says problems caused by
move from Salt Lake City to Logan UT. Says Quest telephone company has
messed up their local POTS and 800 service and their voice mail service.
Also Quest provides DSL to company and that has been messed up. I was given
a direct phone number to the rep I talked to, so to bypass voice mail.

Eagle Imports agreed to send replacement battery. Will pick up the original
battery that tested dead. Will pay for shipping cost for both batteries. I
am waiting on replacement to test. If replacement battery does not work,
they have agreed to take it back, pay the freight cost, and not charge a
restocking fee. Eagle Imports believes that one or more cells in battery is
dead.

Contacted Other World Computing about their brand of batteries. They advise
the following: The NewerTech batteries are not compatible with VST external
charger. The VST charger's overcharge batteries. While my Wallstreet
charges the Apple Brand of battery, the charge card could be "weak" and not
work with a battery of larger capacity. Other World says the NewerTech line
of battery has a low rate of return, most all problems being with a
defective charger in the PowerBook or the use of an external charger. Other
World answered emails promptly.

Testing to be done: Will take the two problem batteries to user group
meeting this thursday. One other member has Wallstreet and I will test
batteries in his PowerBook. Will advise what happens.

I want to get my Wallstreet working reliably. I will use it in a dirty work
enviroment, and don't want to use a new PowerBook in such enviroment. I
currently use a PB1400 daily at work, (it has no problems) but I would like
to go to a larger screen.

Is their any way to test the charge card in the Wallstreet other than
replacing it with a new one?

By the way. The AC power supply for the Wallstreet is a new one of the YoYo
style. No problems with that.

Thanks for all the suggestions I have received from you.

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Re: Wallstreet Battery.

[Laurent Daudelin]

on 06/02/05 16:33, Kenneth Vann at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>> 
>> Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 19:10:00 -0500
>> Subject: Re: Wallstreet Battery.
>> From: Laurent Daudelin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> 
>> 
>> Laptops-Battery.com used to have Wallstreet batteries that were just above
>> $100.
>> 
>> I just made a search and here is what I found:
>> 
>> http://www.laptops-battery.com/catalog/product_info.php/manufacturers_id/3/p
>> roducts_id/5403
>> 
>> (snip)
>> 
>> -Laurent.
> 
> Hi. I just checked out the link you gave me. I also poked around that web
> site and found that they have the same battery listed under different part
> numbers at different prices. The link you gave me listed it for $103.
> 
> This link list it for $129
> http://www.laptops-battery.com/catalog/product_info.
> php/products_id/5398
> 
> And this link list it for $149.
> http://www.laptops-battery.com/catalog/product_info.
> php/products_id/6375
> 
> I am wondering if their is a difference in the bateries?
> 
> Does any one have expierence in purchasing from this company?
> 

I did purchase one for my Pismo back then. The battery still performs like
the original one. I found the one that was the cheapest and had no problem
with it. That's why I posted the link...

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Re: Wallstreet Battery

[Kenneth Vann]

Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 20:37:01 -0800 (PST)
From: "Don P." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Wallstreet Battery
In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> 2/5/05, Kenneth Vann wrote:
>> I have had bad luck with third party batteries. The
>> one I go in new this
>> week does not charge. Does not charge in a VST
>> charger or the PowerBook.
>> Vendor does not answer phone calls, so I have
>> contacted my Charge Card
>> company.
>>
>> The APC one I got 6 months ago, does not charge in
>> VST Charger or
>> PowerBook. APC does not want to replace it under
>> their one year warranty,
>> as this would be the third one from them.
>
>It would be helpful to others if those being difficult
>or providing substandard service or materials are
>clearly identified. What dealers did you deal with?


APC Was direct from them. I am waiting for return phone call.

The other was from Eagle Imports Intl, 2757 So 300 West Suite # D
Salt Lake City, UT  84115. This is the company that has not responded to my
repeat phone calls for a RMA. Will let you know how it goes with the charge
card company refunding the charge.

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Re: Wallstreet Battery.

[Kenneth Vann]

>
>Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 19:10:00 -0500
>Subject: Re: Wallstreet Battery.
>From: Laurent Daudelin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
>Laptops-Battery.com used to have Wallstreet batteries that were just above
>$100.
>
>I just made a search and here is what I found:
>
>http://www.laptops-battery.com/catalog/product_info.php/manufacturers_id/3/p
>roducts_id/5403
>
>(snip)
>
>-Laurent.

Hi. I just checked out the link you gave me. I also poked around that web
site and found that they have the same battery listed under different part
numbers at different prices. The link you gave me listed it for $103.

This link list it for $129
http://www.laptops-battery.com/catalog/product_info.
php/products_id/5398

And this link list it for $149.
http://www.laptops-battery.com/catalog/product_info.
php/products_id/6375

I am wondering if their is a difference in the bateries?

Does any one have expierence in purchasing from this company?

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Wallstreet battery

[Gary Goldberg]

My original WS battery lasted 4 years, almost
to the day. I can still get about 20-30 minutes'
charge on it, but I use a replacement battery
I bought 2 1/2 years ago (99% of the time
I run off A/C)

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Re: Wallstreet Battery.

[Kenneth Vann]

Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 19:10:00 -0500
Subject: Re: Wallstreet Battery.
From: Laurent Daudelin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Laptops-Battery.com used to have Wallstreet batteries that were just above
$100.

I just made a search and here is what I found:

http://www.laptops-battery.com/catalog/product_info.php/manufacturers_id/3/p
roducts_id/5403

(snip)

-Laurent.

Hi. I just checked out the link you gave me. I also poked around that web
site and found that they have the same battery listed under different part
numbers at different prices. The link you gave me listed it for $103.

This link list it for $129
http://www.laptops-battery.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/5398

And this link list it for $149.
http://www.laptops-battery.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/6375

I am wondering if their is a difference in the bateries?

Does any one have expierence in purchasing from this company?

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Re: Wallstreet Battery

[Don P.]

 2/5/05, Kenneth Vann wrote:
> I have had bad luck with third party batteries. The
> one I go in new this
> week does not charge. Does not charge in a VST
> charger or the PowerBook.
> Vendor does not answer phone calls, so I have
> contacted my Charge Card
> company.
> 
> The APC one I got 6 months ago, does not charge in
> VST Charger or
> PowerBook. APC does not want to replace it under
> their one year warranty,
> as this would be the third one from them.

It would be helpful to others if those being difficult
or providing substandard service or materials are
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[Laurent Daudelin]

on 2/5/05 21:31, Bob at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip!]
> I didn't check  your URL, Laurent, but are these sub-$100 batteries,
> actual Apple batteries, or 3rd-party compatibles?

These are 3rd-party compatibles. You would probably have a hard time finding
a genuine Apple's one these days and, as you pointed out in your message,
even if you could find one, it wouldn't probably hold a charge because it
would be way too old...

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Re: Wallstreet Battery.

[Bob]

The National Enquirer reports at 7:10 PM -0500 2/5/05, Laurent 
Daudelin wrote:

>on 05/02/05 16:58, Bob at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > The National Enquirer reports at 3:26 PM -0500 2/5/05, Kenneth Vann wrote:
> >
> >> Can anyone tell me if new batteries are available from Apple for the
> >> Wallstreet PowerBook?
> >
> > The last time I checked (several months ago) they were still
> > available. But they are v-e-r-y expensive these days. The same
> > battery, from the same vendor, that I bought for $130, now costs
> > almost twice that.
> >
> >> Can anyone recommend a Apple service dealer in Virginia?
> >
> > I can't help you with a local dealer. But if you if you are willing
> > to order from an on-line vendor, I'd recommend http://www.PBparts.com
> >
> >> I have had bad luck with third party batteries. The one I go in new this
> >> week does not charge. Does not charge in a VST charger or the PowerBook.
> >> Vendor does not answer phone calls, so I have contacted my Charge Card
> >> company.
> >
> > Some 3rd-party batteries have bad reputations. I have heard good
> > things about batteries from Newer Tech, if you don't want to pay the
> > price for an genuine Apple battery.
> >
> > Good Luck,
> >
> >
> > Bob
>
>Laptops-Battery.com used to have Wallstreet batteries that were just above
>$100.
>
>I just made a search and here is what I found:
>
>http://www.laptops-battery.com/catalog/product_info.php/manufacturers_id/3/p
>roducts_id/5403

I didn't check  your URL, Laurent, but are these sub-$100 batteries, 
actual Apple batteries, or 3rd-party compatibles?

Something for battery buyers to keep in mind is that Lithium-Ion 
batteries have life-limits on *both* the total number of 
charge/discharge cycles (~200 is a frequent number quoted) *and* on 
the their shelf life. You just have a 2-3 year practical life on 
batteries and there's not much to do except replace them. 
Unfortunately

**rechargeable batteries start their life-span immediately upon manufacture.**

So, if Apple is not buying newly manufactured Wallstreet batteries 
(and one wonders whether the market is big enough for a 1998 laptop, 
to buy many newly manufactured batteries), whatever you buy 
off-the-shelf is going to be a "partial-life" battery. How much life 
remains, depends on how long ago it was manufactured.

And FWIW even if you never run your PB on batteries, the Li Ions 
won't remain100% usable (i.e. number of hrs of useful charge) 
generally for more than 2 or 3 years. (Notice I didn't say they would 
die in 2-3 years, I said they would not allow you to run as long on 
battery power as they initially did.) There are exceptions, of course.

The same things applies to 3rd-party batteries.


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Re: Wallstreet Battery.

[peter]

On Feb 5, 2005, at 3:26 PM, Kenneth Vann wrote:
Can anyone recomend a Apple service dealer in
Virginia?
	Northern Virginia?  Mac Upgrades in Bethesda, Maryland, has probably 
the best reputation of any dealer in the metro area.

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Re: Wallstreet Battery.

[Laurent Daudelin]

on 05/02/05 16:58, Bob at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> The National Enquirer reports at 3:26 PM -0500 2/5/05, Kenneth Vann wrote:
> 
>> Can anyone tell me if new batteries are available from Apple for the
>> Wallstreet PowerBook?
> 
> The last time I checked (several months ago) they were still
> available. But they are v-e-r-y expensive these days. The same
> battery, from the same vendor, that I bought for $130, now costs
> almost twice that.
> 
>> Can anyone recommend a Apple service dealer in Virginia?
> 
> I can't help you with a local dealer. But if you if you are willing
> to order from an on-line vendor, I'd recommend http://www.PBparts.com
> 
>> I have had bad luck with third party batteries. The one I go in new this
>> week does not charge. Does not charge in a VST charger or the PowerBook.
>> Vendor does not answer phone calls, so I have contacted my Charge Card
>> company.
> 
> Some 3rd-party batteries have bad reputations. I have heard good
> things about batteries from Newer Tech, if you don't want to pay the
> price for an genuine Apple battery.
> 
> Good Luck,
> 
> 
> Bob

Laptops-Battery.com used to have Wallstreet batteries that were just above
$100.

I just made a search and here is what I found:

http://www.laptops-battery.com/catalog/product_info.php/manufacturers_id/3/p
roducts_id/5403

Or

http://tinyurl.com/3mqv3

Where are you located in Virginia?

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[Bob]

The National Enquirer reports at 3:26 PM -0500 2/5/05, Kenneth Vann wrote:

>Can anyone tell me if new batteries are available from Apple for the
>Wallstreet PowerBook?

The last time I checked (several months ago) they were still 
available. But they are v-e-r-y expensive these days. The same 
battery, from the same vendor, that I bought for $130, now costs 
almost twice that.

>Can anyone recommend a Apple service dealer in Virginia?

I can't help you with a local dealer. But if you if you are willing 
to order from an on-line vendor, I'd recommend http://www.PBparts.com

>I have had bad luck with third party batteries. The one I go in new this
>week does not charge. Does not charge in a VST charger or the PowerBook.
>Vendor does not answer phone calls, so I have contacted my Charge Card
>company.

Some 3rd-party batteries have bad reputations. I have heard good 
things about batteries from Newer Tech, if you don't want to pay the 
price for an genuine Apple battery.

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Wallstreet Battery.

[Kenneth Vann]

Can anyone tell me if new batteries are available from Apple for the
Wallstreet PowerBook? Can anyone recomend a Apple service dealer in
Virginia?

I have had bad luck with third party batteries. The one I go in new this
week does not charge. Does not charge in a VST charger or the PowerBook.
Vendor does not answer phone calls, so I have contacted my Charge Card
company.

The APC one I got 6 months ago, does not charge in VST Charger or
PowerBook. APC does not want to replace it under their one year warranty,
as this would be the third one from them.

The Apple brand I have does charge in both the VST Charger and PowerBook,
but because of age, it only last about 50 minutes.

Ken Vann

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Wallstreet Battery Question

[Stephen Kerney]

I'm having a problem with  NewerTech's PowerBook G3 WallStreet Li-Ion
Battery (NWTBAPLLIWS) from OWC.  Works great for about 2 weeks (charges,
lasts about 3 hours (according to time remaining), takes a charge fine when
plugged in (e.g., goes to 100%)) then won't take a charge.  I'm on my 2nd
one with same results.  My 5 1/2 year old original apple battery still
charges (but only lasts an hour or so) so I doubt its the WS.  Anyone else
have this problem?  I've reset the PMU twice, no change.  I've tried both
slots and one battery at a time.  No change.  OEM charges, new on doesn't.

I'm about to send it back and ask for something different.

Steve


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Re: Wallstreet Battery Charger

[JOHN.E.ABRAHAM]

Hello Barb.
Does the Wallstreet recognise the battery.I had a problem with 
mine in this way and the battery reset programme from apple put it 
back on its tracks.  This programme is a free download from the Apple 
site.

Good luck.John in  UK.
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From: Barbara Guild <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Wallstreet Battery Charger
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 12:06:14 -1000
I can't get the battery charger to charge a battery. Does anyone know
what the problem might be. The Wallstreet runs when connected to the
power adaptor, but does not run with the battery. I've even bought a
new battery, but it still doesn't work.
Barb
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Re: Wallstreet Battery Charger

[Mikael Byström]

Barbara, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

>I can't get the battery charger to charge a battery. Does anyone know 
>what the problem might be. 

While not the only possible problem, look very carefully on the female
Power connector on the Wallstreet and see if any part of the shielding
tape that is attached to the inside of bottom case have come loose and
can come into contact with the outside of the Power Supply male connector. 
I had this problem with a WS II before and the solution was to take apart
the machine and reattach the tape that was loose. I put other thin tape
on top of it to hold it in place.

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Re: Wallstreet Battery Charger

[Ken]

My Reply follows quote. On 30/06/2004 15:06 [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:  

>I can't get the battery charger to charge a battery. Does anyone know 
>what the problem might be. The Wallstreet runs when connected to the 
>power adaptor, but does not run with the battery. I've even bought a 
>new battery, but it still doesn't work.
>Barb
-
>From those who should know:

Computer runs when
plugged into wall
outlet but not on
battery power:

1 Reset power manager (shift-Fn-Ctrl-Pwr button).
2 Check battery shims (refer to Additional Procedures
chapter.)
3 Reseat battery to make sure battery is mating with contacts
on I/O logic board.
4 Try battery in opposite expansion bay.
5 Try known-good, firmly seated, charged battery. Repeat once.
6 Try known-good power adapter.
7 Replace charge card.
8 Replace PMU board.
9 Replace power supply card.
10 Replace I/O logic board.

HTH

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Re: Wallstreet Battery Charger

[Jason Gorst]

I'd guess bad charger module.
On Jun 30, 2004, at 5:06 PM, Barbara Guild wrote:
I can't get the battery charger to charge a battery. Does anyone know 
what the problem might be. The Wallstreet runs when connected to the 
power adaptor, but does not run with the battery. I've even bought a 
new battery, but it still doesn't work.
Barb

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Wallstreet Battery Charger

[Barbara Guild]

I can't get the battery charger to charge a battery. Does anyone know 
what the problem might be. The Wallstreet runs when connected to the 
power adaptor, but does not run with the battery. I've even bought a 
new battery, but it still doesn't work.
Barb

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Re: ??? Wallstreet battery replacement cells ???

[Andrew Kershaw]

I didn't know the Wallstreet had built-in OpenFirmware.
ALL PCI-based Macs (from the 7200 onward) have OpenFirmware.  Some 
have a more complete OF than others, but all PCI-based Macs have OF 
to one degree or another.

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Re: ??? Wallstreet battery replacement cells ???

[Susan Platter]

Oh dear!
It does work, but I too thought my fingers were going to break off 
backwards, from holding those keys! For me, it worked once out of about 
six tries, then I gave up. However, my battery is how charging, but 
whether it was the Open Firmware or my booting into OS 9 that did it, I 
shall never know.

Susan Platter
Swindon, Wiltshire, England
On Saturday, June 5, 2004, at 09:59 PM, G-Books wrote:
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From: Tom Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ??? Wallstreet battery replacement cells ???
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 08:15:40 -0700
Lucky you. I have nearly broken off my fingers trying to get a
Wallstreet I to boot into open firmware. I am convinced it will not
happen.
On Jun 5, 2004, at 4:18 AM, Susan Platter wrote:
When I tried this on my Wallstreet, which is showing exactly the same
symptoms as described in Macintouch, I got a message that reset-nvram
was an "unknown word". reset-all seemed to work, as the screen blanked
out and the Wallstreet went into a normal OS X startup, but what does
reset-nvram do and why should it not be a recognised command? Will it
work without the hyphen?
Incidentally, I have great difficulty getting Open Firmware to start.
Sometimes it does, but most times not. Is there any way of setting it
to start up, without having to hold those keys down?
Susan Platter
Swindon, Wiltshire, England

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Re: ??? Wallstreet battery replacement cells ???

[Alan C . Magnus]

On Jun 6, 2004, at 5:55 pm, Dan Colwell wrote:
On Thu, 3 Jun 2004  Laurent Daudelin wrote:
Nope, I didn't try OpenFirmware commands.
Another user testimonial:
I gave this a try on a Pismo battery I had given up on and now it 
appears to have been restored to almost new capacity!

I am very impressed and grateful.
Dan-
May I ask exactly how did you do this??
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Re: ??? Wallstreet battery replacement cells ???

[Dan Colwell]

On Thu, 3 Jun 2004  Laurent Daudelin wrote:
> Hi Laurent,
> Did you try Open Firmware commands ?
> George

Nope, I didn't try OpenFirmware commands.
Another user testimonial:
I gave this a try on a Pismo battery I had given up on and now it appears to 
have been restored to almost new capacity!

I am very impressed and grateful.
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Re: ??? Wallstreet battery replacement cells ???

[Laurent Daudelin]

on 05/06/04 07:18, Susan Platter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> When I tried this on my Wallstreet, which is showing exactly the same
> symptoms as described in Macintouch, I got a message that reset-nvram
> was an "unknown word". reset-all seemed to work, as the screen blanked
> out and the Wallstreet went into a normal OS X startup, but what does
> reset-nvram do and why should it not be a recognised command? Will it
> work without the hyphen?
> 
> Incidentally, I have great difficulty getting Open Firmware to start.
> Sometimes it does, but most times not. Is there any way of setting it
> to start up, without having to hold those keys down?

I didn't know the Wallstreet had built-in OpenFirmware.

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Re: ??? Wallstreet battery replacement cells ???

[Tom Peterson]

Lucky you. I have nearly broken off my fingers trying to get a 
Wallstreet I to boot into open firmware. I am convinced it will not 
happen.
On Jun 5, 2004, at 4:18 AM, Susan Platter wrote:

When I tried this on my Wallstreet, which is showing exactly the same 
symptoms as described in Macintouch, I got a message that reset-nvram 
was an "unknown word". reset-all seemed to work, as the screen blanked 
out and the Wallstreet went into a normal OS X startup, but what does 
reset-nvram do and why should it not be a recognised command? Will it 
work without the hyphen?

Incidentally, I have great difficulty getting Open Firmware to start. 
Sometimes it does, but most times not. Is there any way of setting it 
to start up, without having to hold those keys down?

Susan Platter
Swindon, Wiltshire, England
On Friday, June 4, 2004, at 08:30 PM, G-Books wrote:
On 03/06/04 16:43, "George Mogiljansky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi Laurent,
Did you try Open Firmware commands ?
George

Nope, I didn't try OpenFirmware commands.

Try:
Boot into Open Firmware by pressing Command-Option-O-F at startup and
first typing "reset-nvram," pressing the Return key, and then
"reset-all."
User testimonial:
I rescued 2 Pismo batteries last week using the info from MacInTouch
by booting into Open Firmware and issuing a "reset-all" command. They
are working fine and continue to hold a 2-3 hr charge.
To see the tip at Macintouch, go to:

HTH,
Bob

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Re: ??? Wallstreet battery replacement cells ???

[Susan Platter]

When I tried this on my Wallstreet, which is showing exactly the same 
symptoms as described in Macintouch, I got a message that reset-nvram 
was an "unknown word". reset-all seemed to work, as the screen blanked 
out and the Wallstreet went into a normal OS X startup, but what does 
reset-nvram do and why should it not be a recognised command? Will it 
work without the hyphen?

Incidentally, I have great difficulty getting Open Firmware to start. 
Sometimes it does, but most times not. Is there any way of setting it 
to start up, without having to hold those keys down?

Susan Platter
Swindon, Wiltshire, England
On Friday, June 4, 2004, at 08:30 PM, G-Books wrote:
On 03/06/04 16:43, "George Mogiljansky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi Laurent,
Did you try Open Firmware commands ?
George

Nope, I didn't try OpenFirmware commands.

Try:
Boot into Open Firmware by pressing Command-Option-O-F at startup and
first typing "reset-nvram," pressing the Return key, and then
"reset-all."
User testimonial:
I rescued 2 Pismo batteries last week using the info from MacInTouch
by booting into Open Firmware and issuing a "reset-all" command. They
are working fine and continue to hold a 2-3 hr charge.
To see the tip at Macintouch, go to:

HTH,
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Re: ??? Wallstreet battery replacement cells ???

[Mikael Byström]

Larry, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

>Is it possible to replace the battery cells in a PowerBook Wallstreet
>battery ?
>
>I live in Sweden so links for US shops won't do much, it's the info
>I'm after.

I was in contact with Batterilagret or something in Göteborg 2 years ago
and they wanted 2800 SEK (maybe $350) for replacing the battery package
inside. A new Apple battery then was 1800 SEK.
In the end I got a fresh battery, almost new for 350 SEK ($43 or
something like that). I sold it with my WS I. I also sold the crashed one
for 50 SEK, so maybe someone out there know more about refurbishing
batteries than I do (which is not that much really).

Point then is that there are fresh batteries out there, if you advert at
Swedish sites and ask for the possibility to use the battery for one day
or so and return if it's a dodo. Most Mac users are very honest people I
think, especially so with Pro people who make their living out of their
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Re: ??? Wallstreet battery replacement cells ???

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on 03/06/04 21:36, Bob at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> This list appears to be down, so I'll CC this to you as well.
> 
> The National Enquirer reports at 4:44 PM -0400 6/3/04, Laurent
> Daudelin wrote:
>> 
>> On 03/06/04 16:43, "George Mogiljansky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Laurent,
>>> Did you try Open Firmware commands ?
>>> George
> 
> 
>> Nope, I didn't try OpenFirmware commands.
> 
> 
> Try:
> Boot into Open Firmware by pressing Command-Option-O-F at startup and
> first typing "reset-nvram," pressing the Return key, and then
> "reset-all."
> 
> User testimonial:
> I rescued 2 Pismo batteries last week using the info from MacInTouch
> by booting into Open Firmware and issuing a "reset-all" command. They
> are working fine and continue to hold a 2-3 hr charge.
> 
> To see the tip at Macintouch, go to:
> 
> 
> HTH,
> 
> Bob
> 

I'll try to retrieve the battery and see if I can do that. Thanks!

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Re: ??? Wallstreet battery replacement cells ??? (now resetting Pismo battery)

[Laurent Daudelin]

on 03/06/04 23:25, Andrew in Ann Arbor at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>> Subject: Re: ??? Wallstreet battery replacement cells ???
>> From: Laurent Daudelin
>> We found cells that were less than $50.
>> The problem was with the NVRAM inside the battery.
>> You can maybe reset it in a Wallstreet, but not in a
>> Pismo...
> 
> Could you reset the battery NVRAM in a Lombard?
> I've run the battery reset utility on my Lombard but I'm not sure that's
> the same reset that you are talking about.

Didn't have a Lombard when I did the replacement.

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[Bob]

This list appears to be down, so I'll CC this to you as well.

The National Enquirer reports at 4:44 PM -0400 6/3/04, Laurent 
Daudelin wrote:

>
>Laurent Daudelin Developer, Multifamily, ESO, Fannie Mae
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>On 03/06/04 16:43, "George Mogiljansky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > Hi Laurent,
> > Did you try Open Firmware commands ?
> > George


>Nope, I didn't try OpenFirmware commands.


Try:
Boot into Open Firmware by pressing Command-Option-O-F at startup and 
first typing "reset-nvram," pressing the Return key, and then 
"reset-all."

User testimonial:
I rescued 2 Pismo batteries last week using the info from MacInTouch 
by booting into Open Firmware and issuing a "reset-all" command. They 
are working fine and continue to hold a 2-3 hr charge.

To see the tip at Macintouch, go to:


HTH,

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Re: ??? Wallstreet battery replacement cells ??? (now resetting Pismo battery)

[Andrew in Ann Arbor]

> Subject: Re: ??? Wallstreet battery replacement cells ???
> From: Laurent Daudelin
> We found cells that were less than $50.
> The problem was with the NVRAM inside the battery.
> You can maybe reset it in a Wallstreet, but not in a
> Pismo...
Could you reset the battery NVRAM in a Lombard?
I've run the battery reset utility on my Lombard but I'm not sure that's 
the same reset that you are talking about.

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Re: ??? Wallstreet battery replacement cells ???

[Laurent Daudelin]

Nope, I didn't try OpenFirmware commands.

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On 03/06/04 16:43, "George Mogiljansky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi Laurent, 
> Did you try Open Firmware commands ?
> George
> 
> --- Laurent Daudelin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>> On 03/06/04 14:55, "Larry le Mac"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm sure this question has surfaced before, but I
>> wasn't here to read
>>> the replies...
>>> 
>>> Is it possible to replace the battery cells in a
>> PowerBook Wallstreet
>>> battery ?
>>> 
>>> I live in Sweden so links for US shops won't do
>> much, it's the info
>>> I'm after.
>> 
>> I did explore this for my Pismo battery some time
>> ago. Although you can find
>> replacement cells, the problem that you are likely
>> to face is the reset of
>> the NVRAM in the electronic circuit of the battery
>> that tells the computer
>> how much power remains in the cells and whether it's
>> time to recharge the
>> battery. We haven't found a way to reset this memory
>> after replacing the
>> cells and thus the battery wouldn't recharge...
>> 
>> -Laurent.


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Re: ??? Wallstreet battery replacement cells ???

[Laurent Daudelin]

We found cells that were less than $50. The problem was with the NVRAM
inside the battery. You can maybe reset it in a Wallstreet, but not in a
Pismo...

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> Laurent:
> 
> I thought that you could reset this on Wallstreets?  But I thought that
> the problem was the costs of the cells.
> 
> On Thursday, June 3, 2004, at 02:08  PM, Laurent Daudelin wrote:
> 
>> On 03/06/04 14:55, "Larry le Mac" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm sure this question has surfaced before, but I wasn't here to read
>>> the replies...
>>> 
>>> Is it possible to replace the battery cells in a PowerBook Wallstreet
>>> battery ?
>>> 
>>> I live in Sweden so links for US shops won't do much, it's the info
>>> I'm after.
>> 
>> I did explore this for my Pismo battery some time ago. Although you
>> can find
>> replacement cells, the problem that you are likely to face is the
>> reset of
>> the NVRAM in the electronic circuit of the battery that tells the
>> computer
>> how much power remains in the cells and whether it's time to recharge
>> the
>> battery. We haven't found a way to reset this memory after replacing
>> the
>> cells and thus the battery wouldn't recharge...



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Re: ??? Wallstreet battery replacement cells ???

[John Slavin]

Laurent:
I thought that you could reset this on Wallstreets?  But I thought that  
the problem was the costs of the cells.

On Thursday, June 3, 2004, at 02:08  PM, Laurent Daudelin wrote:
On 03/06/04 14:55, "Larry le Mac" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I'm sure this question has surfaced before, but I wasn't here to read
the replies...
Is it possible to replace the battery cells in a PowerBook Wallstreet
battery ?
I live in Sweden so links for US shops won't do much, it's the info
I'm after.
I did explore this for my Pismo battery some time ago. Although you  
can find
replacement cells, the problem that you are likely to face is the  
reset of
the NVRAM in the electronic circuit of the battery that tells the  
computer
how much power remains in the cells and whether it's time to recharge  
the
battery. We haven't found a way to reset this memory after replacing  
the
cells and thus the battery wouldn't recharge...

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Re: ??? Wallstreet battery replacement cells ???

[George Mogiljansky]

Hi Laurent, 
Did you try Open Firmware commands ?
George

--- Laurent Daudelin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> On 03/06/04 14:55, "Larry le Mac"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > I'm sure this question has surfaced before, but I
> wasn't here to read
> > the replies...
> > 
> > Is it possible to replace the battery cells in a
> PowerBook Wallstreet
> > battery ?
> > 
> > I live in Sweden so links for US shops won't do
> much, it's the info
> > I'm after.
> 
> I did explore this for my Pismo battery some time
> ago. Although you can find
> replacement cells, the problem that you are likely
> to face is the reset of
> the NVRAM in the electronic circuit of the battery
> that tells the computer
> how much power remains in the cells and whether it's
> time to recharge the
> battery. We haven't found a way to reset this memory
> after replacing the
> cells and thus the battery wouldn't recharge...
> 
> -Laurent.
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Re: ??? Wallstreet battery replacement cells ???

[Laurent Daudelin]

On 03/06/04 14:55, "Larry le Mac" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm sure this question has surfaced before, but I wasn't here to read
> the replies...
> 
> Is it possible to replace the battery cells in a PowerBook Wallstreet
> battery ?
> 
> I live in Sweden so links for US shops won't do much, it's the info
> I'm after.

I did explore this for my Pismo battery some time ago. Although you can find
replacement cells, the problem that you are likely to face is the reset of
the NVRAM in the electronic circuit of the battery that tells the computer
how much power remains in the cells and whether it's time to recharge the
battery. We haven't found a way to reset this memory after replacing the
cells and thus the battery wouldn't recharge...

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??? Wallstreet battery replacement cells ???

[Larry le Mac]

I'm sure this question has surfaced before, but I wasn't here to read
the replies...
Is it possible to replace the battery cells in a PowerBook Wallstreet
battery ?
I live in Sweden so links for US shops won't do much, it's the info
I'm after.
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Re: Wallstreet battery reconditioning?

[Mike Kauspedas]

There is a battery reset program you can get from Apple. Or from this 
website: http://www.d20.co.edu/downloads/ilister.php?type=mac I'm not 
sure exactly where it is on that site, but there are a lot of other 
utils too. Hope that helps, not the best app, but it might help.

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Hi again(!),

Short of getting a VST charger, is there any way to recondition a 
Wallstreet
battery? Like some software fix?

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Hi again(!),

Short of getting a VST charger, is there any way to recondition a Wallstreet 
battery? Like some software fix?

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Re: PRAM/Backup battery in WallStreet - Battery Reset

[JOHN.E.ABRAHAM]

Hello Listers,

Thank you all for the additional info,

I did notice the link to the site for good battery prices and will 
also try the battery reset programme.

I have noticed that the battery is not being seen by the PB.  It 
reports that the LH media bay is empty and there are no leads alight 
on the side of the battery.This I suspect is because I did not 
use it over the Christmas / New Year period and beyond.The 
battery must be flat and thus the Pram also, as without any power in 
the main battery the Pram discharged as well.

As for Jim's problem I am not sure if it relates to the PRAM as the 
sign normally is that the date has reset to the year 1904.Showing 
that the PRAM has run out of charge if the PB is keeping time but 
loosing or gaining seconds this may be another  fault.


My Wallstreet Date & Time function consistently seems to lose about
15-30 seconds as evidenced by the adjustment that occurs almost every
time when I tell the control panel to manually "set time now".  It
seems oblivious to the interval between those checks.  Also, it may
actually be more serious since the CPanel is supposed to auto-check
for differences often anyway and I am merely noting what changes the
auto function has not fixed.
Is this kind of thing clearly indicative of bad PRAM battery?  I have
not noted other problems other than the usual aggravating random
crashes that dog me from time to time.
Thanks, Jim

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Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 14:42:40 +
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On 3/2/04 2:02 am, Paul Nelson said:

At 11:28 PM + 2/2/04, JOHN.E.ABRAHAM wrote:
Does this mean that before i go about trying to replace the PRAM
battery I first need to try and recharge it.
For sure, that's the first thing to do if you haven't had it on
external power for an extended period lately.
As we are talking WallStreets here, don't forget the Apple Battery Reset
application (sorry, don't have the link handy).
This application has revived my WallStreet battery several times, when I
might otherwise have assumed the battery was dead (no longer holding any
charge).
I know that a few times I have run out of battery power completely and
probably the PRAM/backup battery has run out as well. The main battery
refuses to recharge until it is reset by Battery Reset. Maybe a sign of a
faulty power manager board (also quite common, it seems).
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Re: PRAM/Backup battery in WallStreet - Battery Reset

[Mike Turner]

On 3/2/04 2:02 am, Paul Nelson said:

>At 11:28 PM + 2/2/04, JOHN.E.ABRAHAM wrote:
>>Does this mean that before i go about trying to replace the PRAM
>>battery I first need to try and recharge it.
>
>   For sure, that's the first thing to do if you haven't had it on
>external power for an extended period lately.

As we are talking WallStreets here, don't forget the Apple Battery Reset 
application (sorry, don't have the link handy). 

This application has revived my WallStreet battery several times, when I 
might otherwise have assumed the battery was dead (no longer holding any 
charge). 

I know that a few times I have run out of battery power completely and 
probably the PRAM/backup battery has run out as well. The main battery 
refuses to recharge until it is reset by Battery Reset. Maybe a sign of a 
faulty power manager board (also quite common, it seems).

Worth a shot...

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Re: Cells inside a Wallstreet battery

[Ryan Coleman]

On Sep 27, 2003, at 7:45 PM, G-Books wrote:

On Saturday, September 27, 2003, at 01:43 AM, Tekno Liber wrote:
Is there anything one can do to a dead Li-Ion battery ?
Well, you might be able to split it apart and put new cells in it. 
The
cells may be standardized OEM parts.

You could at least crack it open, and tell the list what kind of 
cells
are in it. I'd also be curios to know it after you open it, can it be
put back together?

Paul
Know that even if you replace the cells, that doesn't mean the battery 
will
start working again. "Smart" laptop batteries, like the ones in 
Wallstreet,
Lombard and Pismos, to name a few, have an electronic circuit board 
that
communicates with the computer to let him know about the state of the
battery. These circuits have apparently a tiny non-volatile RAM that 
is hard
to reset. If the last information stored is about the battery being 
dead,
then the battery won't recharge, even with new cells. I know because I 
did
replace the cells in a Pismo battery but the battery never charged 
when put
back in the Pismo.

So, beware before forking out some hard earned cash on cells that 
could be
useless. However, if you want to try, go for it. Maybe you and we will 
learn
something in the process...
I would recommend doing what I am going to do: Buy a replacement 
battery first. After about 6 months crack open the old battery and 
purchase similar cells. Then pray for another 6 months that it works 
and then go into 6 months of counseling. That way if the cells don't 
work when you first try them you are not disappointed and your 
insurance covers your insanity because you sought counseling before the 
unfortunate moment that your cells started on fire.

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Re: Cells inside a WallStreet battery

[Paul Nicholson]

On Saturday, September 27, 2003, at 10:59 AM, Laurent Daudelin wrote:

on 27/09/03 11:23, Dr. K. Gensberg at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi again!
I've cracked mine open and there are 12 cells, type:
Panasonic Lithium ion CGR17670HC

I have a pdf file from Panasonic which describes these cells in
detail, if anyone is interested.
If anyone has a clue where I could get 24 of these (or equivalent) at
a sane price, I'd be very happy! Perhaps there's a bulk discount if
we club together?
Search down the local Panasonic manufactures rep. It should be 
available from their webpage.

Know that even if you replace the cells, that doesn't mean the battery 
will
start working again. "Smart" laptop batteries, like the ones in 
Wallstreet,
Lombard and Pismos, to name a few, have an electronic circuit board 
that
communicates with the computer to let him know about the state of the
battery. These circuits have apparently a tiny non-volatile RAM that 
is hard
to reset. If the last information stored is about the battery being 
dead,
then the battery won't recharge, even with new cells. I know because I 
did
replace the cells in a Pismo battery but the battery never charged 
when put
back in the Pismo.
There are several manufacturers of battery control chips. Look at the 
numbers on the chip and tell us which one is used. (let's hope its not 
a custom part, an standard part marked with an in house number (Apple 
does this), or a specially programmed microprocessor).

The chip documentation will tell how to reset it. As to whether it's 
easy to do is another matter, it may require a implementing a 
communication protocol. I don't know if these chips implement a EPROM 
type memory to store data non-volatile data, or if they depend on a 
small amount of voltage from the battery always being there to keep 
alive a CMOS RAM. Anyway, the chip spec will reveal those details.

So, beware before forking out some hard earned cash on cells that 
could be
useless. However, if you want to try, go for it. Maybe you and we will 
learn
something in the process...


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Re: Cells inside a WallStreet battery

[Laurent Daudelin]

on 27/09/03 11:23, Dr. K. Gensberg at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hi again!
> I've cracked mine open and there are 12 cells, type:
> 
> Panasonic Lithium ion CGR17670HC
> 
> I have a pdf file from Panasonic which describes these cells in
> detail, if anyone is interested.
> 
> If anyone has a clue where I could get 24 of these (or equivalent) at
> a sane price, I'd be very happy! Perhaps there's a bulk discount if
> we club together?
> 
> All the best
> 
> Karl
> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Saturday, September 27, 2003, at 01:43 AM, Tekno Liber wrote:
>>> 
>>> Is there anything one can do to a dead Li-Ion battery ?
>> 
>> Well, you might be able to split it apart and put new cells in it. The
>> cells may be standardized OEM parts.
>> 
>> You could at least crack it open, and tell the list what kind of cells
>> are in it. I'd also be curios to know it after you open it, can it be
>> put back together?
>> 
>> Paul

Know that even if you replace the cells, that doesn't mean the battery will
start working again. "Smart" laptop batteries, like the ones in Wallstreet,
Lombard and Pismos, to name a few, have an electronic circuit board that
communicates with the computer to let him know about the state of the
battery. These circuits have apparently a tiny non-volatile RAM that is hard
to reset. If the last information stored is about the battery being dead,
then the battery won't recharge, even with new cells. I know because I did
replace the cells in a Pismo battery but the battery never charged when put
back in the Pismo.

So, beware before forking out some hard earned cash on cells that could be
useless. However, if you want to try, go for it. Maybe you and we will learn
something in the process...

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Re: Cells inside a WallStreet battery

[Shane Wolfe]

http://www.slavin4u.com/lithium.htm

That website is selling them for 8$ and some change each.  I'm sure you 
can find them cheaper.



On Saturday, Sep 27, 2003, at 11:23 US/Eastern, Dr. K. Gensberg wrote:

CGR17670HC


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Cells inside a WallStreet battery

[Dr. K. Gensberg]

Hi again!
I've cracked mine open and there are 12 cells, type:
Panasonic Lithium ion CGR17670HC

I have a pdf file from Panasonic which describes these cells in 
detail, if anyone is interested.

If anyone has a clue where I could get 24 of these (or equivalent) at 
a sane price, I'd be very happy! Perhaps there's a bulk discount if 
we club together?

All the best

Karl



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On Saturday, September 27, 2003, at 01:43 AM, Tekno Liber wrote:

 > Is there anything one can do to a dead Li-Ion battery ?

Well, you might be able to split it apart and put new cells in it. The
cells may be standardized OEM parts.
You could at least crack it open, and tell the list what kind of cells
are in it. I'd also be curios to know it after you open it, can it be
put back together?
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[Paul Nicholson]

On Saturday, September 27, 2003, at 01:43 AM, Tekno Liber wrote:
Is there anything one can do to a dead Li-Ion battery ?
Well, you might be able to split it apart and put new cells in it. The 
cells may be standardized OEM parts.

You could at least crack it open, and tell the list what kind of cells 
are in it. I'd also be curios to know it after you open it, can it be 
put back together?

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[Ken]

My Reply follows quote. On 27/09/2003 01:43 [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:  

>Is there anything one can do to a dead Li-Ion battery ?
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Paperweight, ballast to keep the machine from tipping over backwards. Not 
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Wallstreet battery update

[Tekno Liber]

Just for information as there's always someone who might
have a similar problem.
It turns out that both the battery bays on the Wallstreet are
fine, it's the original battery that's dead, stone dead.
The "new" one charges fine and I will shortly calibrate it.

Is there anything one can do to a dead Li-Ion battery ?

I never want to use a good battery in a "deasktop" Power
Book, but it's always good to have some battery charge,
even if it's only 10 minutes worth in case the power should
die or a cable become dislodged...


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on 26/09/03 03:16, Tekno Liber at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>> From: "Laurent Daudelin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
>> I would venture that maybe the Power Management Unit has gone south...
>> Try to reset it, if you haven't tried to do so.
> 
> I remember reading about it, or at least seeing it mentioned, but as
> always, one doesn't take it in until one needs the info...
> 
> Is that an easy thing to do ?

Yes, that's easy to do. Look on the back. There is a reset button. I don't
remember the exact procedure for the Wallstreet, but it should be mention in
the manual you have. You basically hold the reset button on the Mac for a
number of seconds, then restart, or maybe the computer restarts itself.
There are signs that will tell you did reset it properly. These signs vary
from the model of PowerBook. Check your manual. Do a search in the Apple's
Technical Notes.

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[Tekno Liber]

From: "Laurent Daudelin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

I would venture that maybe the Power Management Unit has gone south...
Try to reset it, if you haven't tried to do so.
I remember reading about it, or at least seeing it mentioned, but as
always, one doesn't take it in until one needs the info...
Is that an easy thing to do ?

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My Reply follows quote. On 25/09/2003 11:47 [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:  

>I'm sure this must be one of the most covered topics on this list,
>but as one tends to only read/reply to the threads that apply at
>that time, one bypasses a lot of threads until they actually become
>of interest, so please forgive me for bringing it up again (if that is
>the case...)
>
>I have just bought an old Wallstreet where the Mac is reporting
>that the battery bay to be empty even though there is a battery
>fitted. I presume that the battery is dead, but is there a possibility
>of a fault of a different kind ?
>
>I had a WS 266 where the battery was dead and did not take
>charge, but at least the indicator showed a battery being present.
--
While it could be another problem, if you have swapped bays and see the 
"no battery" indication switch positions, it is most likely the battery. 
I had the same indication with a Wallstreet battery. Got a "new" one and 
it works like a champ.

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On 25/09/03 16:24, "Tekno Liber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> From: "Laurent Daudelin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
>> Have you tried with another battery?
> 
> I did buy a second hand battery which I know is good, but it's at work.
> ---
>> Could be a bad contact in the expansion bay.
>> Did you try it in the other expansion bay?
> 
> Control strip says either bay is empty with the battery in it/them...

I'm not the best expert in PowerBook hardware around, but I would venture
that maybe the Power Management Unit has gone south... Try to reset it, if
you haven't tried to do so. I remember that I did replace it during the 9
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From: "Laurent Daudelin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Have you tried with another battery?
I did buy a second hand battery which I know is good, but it's at work.
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Could be a bad contact in the expansion bay.
Did you try it in the other expansion bay?
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On 25/09/03 14:47, "Tekno Liber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm sure this must be one of the most covered topics on this list,
> but as one tends to only read/reply to the threads that apply at
> that time, one bypasses a lot of threads until they actually become
> of interest, so please forgive me for bringing it up again (if that is
> the case...)
> 
> I have just bought an old Wallstreet where the Mac is reporting
> that the battery bay to be empty even though there is a battery
> fitted. I presume that the battery is dead, but is there a possibility
> of a fault of a different kind ?

Have you tried with another battery? Could be a bad contact in the expansion
bay. Did you try it in the other expansion bay?

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[Tekno Liber]

I'm sure this must be one of the most covered topics on this list,
but as one tends to only read/reply to the threads that apply at
that time, one bypasses a lot of threads until they actually become
of interest, so please forgive me for bringing it up again (if that is
the case...)
I have just bought an old Wallstreet where the Mac is reporting
that the battery bay to be empty even though there is a battery
fitted. I presume that the battery is dead, but is there a possibility
of a fault of a different kind ?
I had a WS 266 where the battery was dead and did not take
charge, but at least the indicator showed a battery being present.
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Re: Wallstreet battery

[Kurt Appling]

RE; though not addressed to me, this is very helpful info,, thankyou

On Tuesday, May 27, 2003, at 11:29 AM, Byron Gardner wrote:

www.batterytech.com


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Re: Wallstreet battery problem

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on 1/20/03 9:09 AM, Dr. K. Gensberg at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Last June, I emailed the list for advice on batteries in my WallStreet:
> 
> *
> "When I first bought my Wallstreet, the battery in it lasted about a
> year before it would suddenly die - I'd have about three quarters of
> battery left showing on the control strip, and then there would be a
> message about the battery being about to die and the computer going
> to sleep to preserve contents of memory.
> 
> I then bought another (Apple) battery, which worked fine for another
> year and then - same again.
> 
> The third battery (Lacie) only lasted a few months.
> 
> Batteries don't generally get a hard time from me, as I usually use
> the AC adapter.
> 
> So, I have three batteries, each with about 20 minutes worth (the
> first quarter) of life in them. Is there anything that can be done to
> revive them? I opened one of them up to have a look at the individual
> cells inside, with a view to buying more and re-packing the case. Is
> this do-able?"
> 
> *
> 
> Well, out of curiosity and following related advice given recently, I
> downloaded MyBattery Pro 1.0.0a4. With the software running, my most
> recent battery which would normally last about 15 minutes before
> dying actually lasted for ONE AND A HALF HOURS!
> 
> I tried another dud battery.this one lasted 15 minutes, and I was
> quick enough to switcj on the AC adaptor before the computer shut
> down. After a lengthy recharge process (monitored by MyBattery), this
> one too now lasts about an hour and a half.
> 
> I'm now trying my old, original battery which came with the machine,
> the one I opened up to see about re-packing with new cells. It lasted
> about 2 minutes before failing, and I'm currently recharging it while
> running MyBattery. It's taking a LONG time to charge, which is not
> what happens when MyBattery is not running.
> 
> So, it looks as if MyBattery software has somehow intervened in the
> charging process, restoring normal function. The Apple recharging
> software seems to be at fault.
> 
> Can anyone tell me more? What's going on?
> 
> Thanks to all


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[John Brownsberger]

Second Try, I think!  I used Battery Reset from Apple (free download).  Also
have you reset you Power Memory (search Apple for info).  Could you tell me
where to find My Battery Pro download?  Thanks, John Brownsberger

on 1/20/03 9:09 AM, Dr. K. Gensberg at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Last June, I emailed the list for advice on batteries in my WallStreet:
> 
> *
> "When I first bought my Wallstreet, the battery in it lasted about a
> year before it would suddenly die - I'd have about three quarters of
> battery left showing on the control strip, and then there would be a
> message about the battery being about to die and the computer going
> to sleep to preserve contents of memory.
> 
> I then bought another (Apple) battery, which worked fine for another
> year and then - same again.
> 
> The third battery (Lacie) only lasted a few months.
> 
> Batteries don't generally get a hard time from me, as I usually use
> the AC adapter.
> 
> So, I have three batteries, each with about 20 minutes worth (the
> first quarter) of life in them. Is there anything that can be done to
> revive them? I opened one of them up to have a look at the individual
> cells inside, with a view to buying more and re-packing the case. Is
> this do-able?"
> 
> *
> 
> Well, out of curiosity and following related advice given recently, I
> downloaded MyBattery Pro 1.0.0a4. With the software running, my most
> recent battery which would normally last about 15 minutes before
> dying actually lasted for ONE AND A HALF HOURS!
> 
> I tried another dud battery.this one lasted 15 minutes, and I was
> quick enough to switcj on the AC adaptor before the computer shut
> down. After a lengthy recharge process (monitored by MyBattery), this
> one too now lasts about an hour and a half.
> 
> I'm now trying my old, original battery which came with the machine,
> the one I opened up to see about re-packing with new cells. It lasted
> about 2 minutes before failing, and I'm currently recharging it while
> running MyBattery. It's taking a LONG time to charge, which is not
> what happens when MyBattery is not running.
> 
> So, it looks as if MyBattery software has somehow intervened in the
> charging process, restoring normal function. The Apple recharging
> software seems to be at fault.
> 
> Can anyone tell me more? What's going on?
> 
> Thanks to all


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[Dr. K. Gensberg]

Last June, I emailed the list for advice on batteries in my WallStreet:

*
"When I first bought my Wallstreet, the battery in it lasted about a 
year before it would suddenly die - I'd have about three quarters of 
battery left showing on the control strip, and then there would be a 
message about the battery being about to die and the computer going 
to sleep to preserve contents of memory.

I then bought another (Apple) battery, which worked fine for another 
year and then - same again.

The third battery (Lacie) only lasted a few months.

Batteries don't generally get a hard time from me, as I usually use 
the AC adapter.

So, I have three batteries, each with about 20 minutes worth (the 
first quarter) of life in them. Is there anything that can be done to 
revive them? I opened one of them up to have a look at the individual 
cells inside, with a view to buying more and re-packing the case. Is 
this do-able?"

*

Well, out of curiosity and following related advice given recently, I 
downloaded MyBattery Pro 1.0.0a4. With the software running, my most 
recent battery which would normally last about 15 minutes before 
dying actually lasted for ONE AND A HALF HOURS!

I tried another dud battery.this one lasted 15 minutes, and I was 
quick enough to switcj on the AC adaptor before the computer shut 
down. After a lengthy recharge process (monitored by MyBattery), this 
one too now lasts about an hour and a half.

I'm now trying my old, original battery which came with the machine, 
the one I opened up to see about re-packing with new cells. It lasted 
about 2 minutes before failing, and I'm currently recharging it while 
running MyBattery. It's taking a LONG time to charge, which is not 
what happens when MyBattery is not running.

So, it looks as if MyBattery software has somehow intervened in the 
charging process, restoring normal function. The Apple recharging 
software seems to be at fault.

Can anyone tell me more? What's going on?

Thanks to all

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Re: WallStreet Battery Problem

[P . F . Grenier]

On Thursday, Sep 12, 2002, at 21:26 US/Eastern, Van Turner wrote:

> Should I disable inactive PC Cards, too? I'm new to the world of 
> portables.



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[Van Turner]

Should I disable inactive PC Cards, too? I'm new to the world of portables.
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>> When I say "freezes," I mean it "locks up." No clock movement, no mouse
>> movement.
>> Someone asked if I was using USB. I do have a MacAlly USB card
>> installed,
> 
> THAT'S IT  You must disable 'Processor Cycling' in the energy saver
> control panel.
> 


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Re: Wallstreet Battery Not Seating Right (?)

[Jeff Lentz]

Charging and shut-down problems aside, I realized that
I'd overlooked your comments below in my response.  If
you are seeing the "battery missing" X in the menu
bar, you may be experiencing a loose battery.  The
Apple article is 22211, link here (if it works):

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=22211&SaveKCWindowURL=http%3A%2F%2Fkbase.info.apple.com%2Fcgi-bin%2FWebObjects%2Fkbase.woa%2Fwa%2FSaveKCToHomePage&searchMode=Expert&kbhost=kbase.info.apple.com&showButton=false&randomValue=100&showSurvey=true&sessionID=anonymous|147765681

Best of luck.

- Jeff Lentz


> >>> Sometimes the battery charges, sometimes it
> >> doesn't (and shows only one
> >>> green LED or just the bottom 5th of the menu bar
> >> battery gauge) and on
> >>> some
> >>> occasions the menu bar indicator has an "X"
> >> through the battery.


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Re: Wallstreet Battery Not Seating Right (?)

[Greg Burkman]

>> On Wednesday, Sep 11, 2002, at 19:23 US/Eastern,
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Dear All:
>>> 
>>> I have a Wallstreet 250 and lately the battery
>> seems to get 
>>> "disconnected"
>>> or fails to make contact  -- I'll be using it on
>> battery and then
>>> suddenly
>>> it shuts down as if there's no battery and needs
>> to be plugged in.
>>> 
>>> Sometimes the battery charges, sometimes it
>> doesn't (and shows only one
>>> green LED or just the bottom 5th of the menu bar
>> battery gauge) and on
>>> some
>>> occasions the menu bar indicator has an "X"
>> through the battery.
>>> 
>>> Is this a common problem?  Any and all suggestions
>> are welcome.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Spencer

Try this:

1. Charge the battery all the way up, if you can;
2. Drain it all, if you can, until the machine goes dead;
3. Recharge battery all the way, if you can;
4. Zap PRAM;
5. Reset Power Manager button;
6. Restart;
7. Shut down and take the battery out for the night, making sure the
battery's "posts" are free of junk;
8. Try it again after a break.
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Re: Wallstreet Battery Not Seating Right (?)

[Jeff Lentz]

Unfortunately this is a common problem, and also
unfortunately, I've never known the torx screw
adjustment to correct it.  I have had the same problem
twice, where you ever so gently touch the battery and
the laptop just dies.  Even after "repair", it still
happens occasionally.  Apple Service Center replaced
internal boards to solve the problem.  Popping the
battery out and back in every so often, and perhaps
checking to see if the contacts are clean, may seem to
help somewhat, but no guarantees.  I just naturally
favor that side now...

- Jeff Lentz


--- "P.F.Grenier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There is a way to fix that, it involves the
> adjusting the torx screw 
> nearest the latch lever. I can't remember the
> specifics, check Apple 
> support.
> On Wednesday, Sep 11, 2002, at 19:23 US/Eastern,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:
> 
> > Dear All:
> >
> > I have a Wallstreet 250 and lately the battery
> seems to get 
> > "disconnected"
> > or fails to make contact  -- I'll be using it on
> battery and then 
> > suddenly
> > it shuts down as if there's no battery and needs
> to be plugged in.
> >
> > Sometimes the battery charges, sometimes it
> doesn't (and shows only one
> > green LED or just the bottom 5th of the menu bar
> battery gauge) and on 
> > some
> > occasions the menu bar indicator has an "X"
> through the battery.
> >
> > Is this a common problem?  Any and all suggestions
> are welcome.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Spencer

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Re: WallStreet Battery Problem

[Jeff Lentz]

I've not heard of this problem associated with the
battery.  One of your two cards is most likely the
culprit.  Try pulling them both and seeing if you have
any more problems.

- Jeff Lentz

--- Van Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> When I say "freezes," I mean it "locks up." No clock
> movement, no mouse
> movement. 
> Someone asked if I was using USB. I do have a
> MacAlly USB card installed,
> but I wasn't connected to anything when the machine
> just stopped.
> This machine also has a DVD decoder card. 


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Re: WallStreet Battery Problem

[P . F . Grenier]

On Wednesday, Sep 11, 2002, at 19:49 US/Eastern, Van Turner wrote:

> on 09/11/2002 8:52 AM, Jeff Lentz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> Try putting the battery in the other bay.  Also,
>> please elaborate on "freezes".  What exactly does it
>> do?  My understanding of "freezes" is unlike any
>> battery problem I've seen on a 300 WS.
>>
>> - Jeff Lentz
>>
>> --- Van Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> My 300Mhz Series II WallStreet won't run for long on
>>> the battery. It freezes
>>> after about 10 seconds. Works fine on the yo-yo.
>>> Tried what someone
>>> suggested earlier and ran Battery Reset 2.0. No
>>> difference. Could I have a
>>> loose connection to the battery?
>>
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> When I say "freezes," I mean it "locks up." No clock movement, no mouse
> movement.
> Someone asked if I was using USB. I do have a MacAlly USB card 
> installed,

THAT'S IT  You must disable 'Processor Cycling' in the energy saver 
control panel.


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Re: Wallstreet Battery Not Seating Right (?)

[P . F . Grenier]

There is a way to fix that, it involves the adjusting the torx screw 
nearest the latch lever. I can't remember the specifics, check Apple 
support.
On Wednesday, Sep 11, 2002, at 19:23 US/Eastern, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

> Dear All:
>
> I have a Wallstreet 250 and lately the battery seems to get 
> "disconnected"
> or fails to make contact  -- I'll be using it on battery and then 
> suddenly
> it shuts down as if there's no battery and needs to be plugged in.
>
> Sometimes the battery charges, sometimes it doesn't (and shows only one
> green LED or just the bottom 5th of the menu bar battery gauge) and on 
> some
> occasions the menu bar indicator has an "X" through the battery.
>
> Is this a common problem?  Any and all suggestions are welcome.
>
> Thanks,
> Spencer
>


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Re: WallStreet Battery Problem

[Van Turner]

on 09/11/2002 8:52 AM, Jeff Lentz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Try putting the battery in the other bay.  Also,
> please elaborate on "freezes".  What exactly does it
> do?  My understanding of "freezes" is unlike any
> battery problem I've seen on a 300 WS.
> 
> - Jeff Lentz
> 
> --- Van Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> My 300Mhz Series II WallStreet won't run for long on
>> the battery. It freezes
>> after about 10 seconds. Works fine on the yo-yo.
>> Tried what someone
>> suggested earlier and ran Battery Reset 2.0. No
>> difference. Could I have a
>> loose connection to the battery?
> 
> 
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When I say "freezes," I mean it "locks up." No clock movement, no mouse
movement. 
Someone asked if I was using USB. I do have a MacAlly USB card installed,
but I wasn't connected to anything when the machine just stopped.
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Wallstreet Battery Not Seating Right (?)

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Dear All:

I have a Wallstreet 250 and lately the battery seems to get "disconnected"
or fails to make contact  -- I'll be using it on battery and then suddenly
it shuts down as if there's no battery and needs to be plugged in.

Sometimes the battery charges, sometimes it doesn't (and shows only one
green LED or just the bottom 5th of the menu bar battery gauge) and on some
occasions the menu bar indicator has an "X" through the battery.

Is this a common problem?  Any and all suggestions are welcome.

Thanks,
Spencer 

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Re: WallStreet Battery Problem

[John Haumann]

On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 11:12 PM, Van Turner wrote:

> My 300Mhz Series II WallStreet won't run for long on the battery. It 
> freezes
> after about 10 seconds. Works fine on the yo-yo. Tried what someone
> suggested earlier and ran Battery Reset 2.0. No difference. Could I 
> have a
> loose connection to the battery?
>

Actually sounds like you're using two different extension sets.  
Conflict Catcher has a feature that will switch out startup sets 
depending upon operating environment.  If one set has a conflict, 
you'll crash.  If the other is fine, everything is fine.

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Re: WallStreet Battery Problem

[P . F . Grenier]

Are you using a USB card?
On Wednesday, Sep 11, 2002, at 00:12 US/Eastern, Van Turner wrote:

> My 300Mhz Series II WallStreet won't run for long on the battery. It 
> freezes
> after about 10 seconds. Works fine on the yo-yo. Tried what someone
> suggested earlier and ran Battery Reset 2.0. No difference. Could I 
> have a
> loose connection to the battery?
>


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Re: WallStreet Battery Problem

[Greg Burkman]

On 11/09/2002 6:52, "Jeff Lentz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Try putting the battery in the other bay.  Also,
> please elaborate on "freezes".  What exactly does it
> do?  My understanding of "freezes" is unlike any
> battery problem I've seen on a 300 WS.
> 
> - Jeff Lentz

Your freezes may have nothing to do with the battery. Could be an extension
conflict, a PRAM problem, yadda, yadda.

I solved my little freeze problem on a humble Kanga G3 simply by doing a
clean install of 9.1. When the battery gets too low on operation, I simply
power up the laptop, charge the battery all the way, then pull the AC plug
and let it drain. Plug it in and let it charge... voila!

If things get strange with sleep, fix with resetting the Power Manager
button, hold in until restart. Take battery out of machine for 10, restart.
Good to go. (Different with Duos and 2400s, but that you can look up.)

I've had nothing but good things on laptops from 3400s to 5300s to G3s just
doing the simple stuff. No need to get in a pretzel. Just do the
common-sense stuff.

I had a battery that wouldn't recharge on a 1400. Zapped the PRAM, took the
battery out overnight, put it in next morning, presto. Ran for two years.
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Re: WallStreet Battery Problem

[Jeff Lentz]

Try putting the battery in the other bay.  Also,
please elaborate on "freezes".  What exactly does it
do?  My understanding of "freezes" is unlike any
battery problem I've seen on a 300 WS.

- Jeff Lentz

--- Van Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My 300Mhz Series II WallStreet won't run for long on
> the battery. It freezes
> after about 10 seconds. Works fine on the yo-yo.
> Tried what someone
> suggested earlier and ran Battery Reset 2.0. No
> difference. Could I have a
> loose connection to the battery?


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WallStreet Battery Problem

[Van Turner]

My 300Mhz Series II WallStreet won't run for long on the battery. It freezes
after about 10 seconds. Works fine on the yo-yo. Tried what someone
suggested earlier and ran Battery Reset 2.0. No difference. Could I have a
loose connection to the battery?


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Re: Wallstreet battery problem revisited

[Remy Davison]

>Does anyone know where I might get a new power management board 
>(CHEAP) for my WallStreet 266? It seems to be eating batteries at a 
>rate of one every three months, and the board seems to be the only 
>thing I can think of (I've done the shift/option/apple/restart thing 
>quite a few times).
>
>When I first bought my Wallstreet, the battery in it lasted about a 
>year before it would suddenly die - I'd have about three quarters of 
>battery left showing on the control strip, and then there would be a 
>message about the battery being about to die and the computer going 
>to sleep to preserve contents of memory.
>
>I then bought another (Apple) battery, which worked fine for another 
>year and then - same again.
>
>The third battery (Lacie) only lasted a few months.
>
>This fourth battery (VST) has just developed the same fault, and I've 
>only been using it for a month or so.
>
>Batteries don't generally get a hard time from me, as I usually use 
>the AC adapter. Surely I'm not getting a string of defective 
>batteries?
I think David Wedge (on this list, IIRC) has them a little cheaper than 
powerbookparts.com.

My take is that LiION batteries, while high on capacity and good on 
performance, don't last long. NiMHs Type II/III perform less 
satisfactorily, but are less likely to die prematurely. My Lombard 
battery died after 2 years. A new WS battery died after about 14 months. 
Neither had particularly heavy use. By contrast, both the PowerBook 190 
and 5300 we had (NiMH) both lasted 5 years with their batteries, both of 
which are still going with their 2nd owners (now the batteries are almost 
7 years' old). The trade off, of course, is they only last 1.5-2 hours. 

That makes me wonder how long NiMHs last in the 3400 or Kanga - while 
they won't provide much PB up-time, I bet they last longer than the 
LiIONs in terms of battery life. I've noted a lot of people's original 
iBook (1999-2000) batteries went out to lunch fairly early (12-18 months) 
and that replacements aren't that easy to come by.

Cheers,

RD

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Re: Wallstreet battery problem revisited

[Mike Turner]

Hi Karl

Have you tried the Battery Reset program? (provided by Apple especially 
for the WallStreet model, it seems.) I think someone mentioned it before 
in this thread, but I thought I'd reinforce the suggestion, as it has 
proved invaluable to me.

I have a WallStreet 266MHz which I use every day and it sleeps most 
nights. Every month or so it fails to wake from sleep and plays dead. 
When I reset the PowerBook (fn + ctrl + shift + Power) it revives, given 
another battery or the mains adapter. But the offending battery is always 
completely drained and will NOT recharge. The Battery Reset program has 
always brought the battery back to life. I still get 2 and a half hours 
from each of my 2 batteries.

The general wisdom of this list points to a general weakness in the Power 
Management board in the WallStreet. But I thought it might be worth 
giving Battery Reset one more try.

If I ever get into this situation I think it will probably more 
economical to "upgrade" to a 2nd hand Pismo than to get the repair done. 
Keeping my fingers crossed...

Regards

Mike

On 2/7/02 4:03 pm, G-Books said:
>When I first bought my Wallstreet, the battery in it lasted about a 
>year before it would suddenly die - I'd have about three quarters of 
>battery left showing on the control strip, and then there would be a 
>message about the battery being about to die and the computer going 
>to sleep to preserve contents of memory.

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Re: Wallstreet battery problem revisited

[Michael Bryan Bell]

> I then bought another (Apple) battery, which worked fine for another
> year and then - same again.
> 
> The third battery (Lacie) only lasted a few months.
> 
> This fourth battery (VST) has just developed the same fault, and I've
> only been using it for a month or so.
> 
> Batteries don't generally get a hard time from me, as I usually use
> the AC adapter. Surely I'm not getting a string of defective
> batteries?

This is just one thing to look at, but where are you getting your batteries
from?

The problem with batteries is that they have a "shelf life", and will
essentially go bad. Reconditioning used to help, but not as much anymore...
Battery technology just hasn't kept up. People are actually having problems
getting good batteries for the first generation ibooks (toilet seats)
already. In one case, a company had hundreds of them that they got in and
sold to customers, only to find that they all died pretty quickly and
couldn't hold a charge well before that.

So it could just be worth looking into- ie, where are the batteries you're
getting coming from, and how old are they?


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Re: Wallstreet battery problem revisited

[Byron Gardner]

on 7/2/02 5:34 AM, Dr. K. Gensberg at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Does anyone know where I might get a new power management board
> (CHEAP) for my WallStreet 266? It seems to be eating batteries at a
> rate of one every three months, and the board seems to be the only
> thing I can think of (I've done the shift/option/apple/restart thing
> quite a few times).
> 
> When I first bought my Wallstreet, the battery in it lasted about a
> year before it would suddenly die - I'd have about three quarters of
> battery left showing on the control strip, and then there would be a
> message about the battery being about to die and the computer going
> to sleep to preserve contents of memory.
> 
> I then bought another (Apple) battery, which worked fine for another
> year and then - same again.
> 
> The third battery (Lacie) only lasted a few months.
> 
> This fourth battery (VST) has just developed the same fault, and I've
> only been using it for a month or so.
> 
> Batteries don't generally get a hard time from me, as I usually use
> the AC adapter. Surely I'm not getting a string of defective
> batteries?
> 
> 
> Karl
> 
> 
Don't feel bad...I have been through several now myself with my PB and they
are showing the same signs. New batteries that check out at the factory but
I can get them to charge only about 88% of capacity.

Byron


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Re: Wallstreet battery problem revisited

[Dr. K. Gensberg]

Does anyone know where I might get a new power management board 
(CHEAP) for my WallStreet 266? It seems to be eating batteries at a 
rate of one every three months, and the board seems to be the only 
thing I can think of (I've done the shift/option/apple/restart thing 
quite a few times).

When I first bought my Wallstreet, the battery in it lasted about a 
year before it would suddenly die - I'd have about three quarters of 
battery left showing on the control strip, and then there would be a 
message about the battery being about to die and the computer going 
to sleep to preserve contents of memory.

I then bought another (Apple) battery, which worked fine for another 
year and then - same again.

The third battery (Lacie) only lasted a few months.

This fourth battery (VST) has just developed the same fault, and I've 
only been using it for a month or so.

Batteries don't generally get a hard time from me, as I usually use 
the AC adapter. Surely I'm not getting a string of defective 
batteries?


Karl



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Re: Wallstreet battery problem

[Jeff Lentz]

I have heard that 3 hours in the freezer, followed by
a flat drop from a few feet up onto a hard surface
will break away the dendrites that form on the
opposing plates, reducing the battery's effectiveness.
 My one attempt by my wife hit on the corner &
shattered my battery.  I've not heard of any other
successful similar attempts.  I can see how it COULD
work, but can't prove that there's anything more to it
than a last-ditch-effort-before-the-trashcan method. 
Use at your own risk.  If it works, shower me with
accolades (or cash).  If it doesn't, you didn't hear
it here.

- Jeff Lentz

--- "Dr. K. Gensberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So, I have three batteries, each with about 20
> minutes worth (the 
> first quarter) of life in them. Is there anything
> that can be done to 
> revive them?

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Re: Wallstreet battery problem

[Laurent Daudelin]

On 21/06/02 09:16, "Dr. K. Gensberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> When I first bought my Wallstreet, the battery in it lasted about a
> year before it would suddenly die - I'd have about three quarters of
> battery left showing on the control strip, and then there would be a
> message about the battery being about to die and the computer going
> to sleep to preserve contents of memory.
> 
> I then bought another (Apple) battery, which worked fine for another
> year and then - same again.
> 
> The third battery (Lacie) only lasted a few months.
> 
> Batteries don't generally get a hard time from me, as I usually use
> the AC adapter.
> 
> So, I have three batteries, each with about 20 minutes worth (the
> first quarter) of life in them. Is there anything that can be done to
> revive them? I opened one of them up to have a look at the individual
> cells inside, with a view to buying more and re-packing the case. Is
> this do-able?

I'm not the biggest expert on battery, but it sounds like one of the cell in
the rechargeable pack has became bad. You can certainly refurbished the pack
if you have proper replacement cells.

-Laurent.
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Wallstreet battery problem

[Dr. K. Gensberg]

When I first bought my Wallstreet, the battery in it lasted about a 
year before it would suddenly die - I'd have about three quarters of 
battery left showing on the control strip, and then there would be a 
message about the battery being about to die and the computer going 
to sleep to preserve contents of memory.

I then bought another (Apple) battery, which worked fine for another 
year and then - same again.

The third battery (Lacie) only lasted a few months.

Batteries don't generally get a hard time from me, as I usually use 
the AC adapter.

So, I have three batteries, each with about 20 minutes worth (the 
first quarter) of life in them. Is there anything that can be done to 
revive them? I opened one of them up to have a look at the individual 
cells inside, with a view to buying more and re-packing the case. Is 
this do-able?

Thanks folks

Karl



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