date:20071006

Instead of working in Access, you can get what you want from the Name 
List/Search List in Legacy.

Tag the people you want and show that tag number in the Name List.

Go to Print, choose the fields you want
If I understand you,
RIN, Surname, Given Names, Birthdate, Address Name, Address - pick 
the ones you want, Mother

and save to comma delimited/csv file.

Open in a spreadsheet.

Perhaps I've misunderstood you and you want something more complicated.

Just checked and saving to csv is a Deluxe feature but you can print 
this list in Standard version.


Cathy

At 02:00 PM 6/10/2007, you wrote:


Dear Forum Members,
I am trying to produce a report that will be a start
off point for us to produce an updated address list
for all living descendants of an ancestor who has
2,500 descendants, ie too many to create the report by
manual means.  We don't know who among this 2,500 is
still living, & along the way we will be adding quite
a few people we currently don't know about.
In the custom report I want Record No, birth given &
surname, address name (we currently have a few hundred
addresses), address fields (which will be blank for
the majority of the names in the list), & mother's
name (to differentiate people with the same birth
name).
I use another brand of genealogical software, & have
exported a GEDCOM of the people I want, & imported
into Legacy Standard.  I then changed the extension to
mdb, opened it with Access, linked the IDIR fields of
tblAR & tblIR, changed the link properties to include
all records of tblIR, created a query containing these
tables & created a list of Birth names, record
Numbers, address names, & address info.
But I can't get mother's name into this query/list.
Any suggestions on how to do this?

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RE: [LegacyUG] Entering dates - day and month are known, year is estimated

2007-10-06 Thread Roger Jones


Hi Tracy,
 
Could you not enter the day and month on the Individual's Information page and 
add 19?? in the christening/baptism notes?
 
Roger> Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 17:30:09 +1000> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 
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and month are known, year is estimated> > Hi Listers> I'm not happy with trying 
to enter dates into my file. I've got some> dates where the day and month are 
known, but the year is listed as> 19??. I'm not sure how to enter it into my 
file.> > I could enter it twenty or more years after the bride's birthday 
1950,> but how to do that?> eg 20 Feb the year could be between 1971-1999.> > 
Any suggestions?> Cheers> Tracy> > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Open Office

2007-10-06 Thread Kim Jones


To Jess M
It is quite a big program to download but it's denfinately worth the couple 
of cups of coffee you will have to have while waiting for  it to download. 
Plus it's FREE, well except for the coffee and download time and I recon if 
it gives 'ol Billy Gates a run for his trillions then it is worth it. (Even 
though I know without him there would be no blablabla). Give it a go what 
have you got to lose not money.

Kim
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Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Open Office



Jess,

Open Office is open source software and is loosely comparable to Microsoft 
Word and Access combined into one package. Like Word etc. it should be noted 
that it does have a fairly steep learning curve depending on how far one 
wishes to deleve into the program.


Further details and free download are at http://www.openoffice.org/ but it 
is a large program at around 100MB.


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Sorry to jump in on this thread, but what is this Open
Office that you are referring to? I've seen it twice
on here today alone. It's not a part of Legacy I'm
familiar with, but certainly sounds like something I'd
like to plunge into.
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Re: [LegacyUG] Entering dates - day and month are known, year is estimated


Hi Tracy,

I enter it just like that and accept it as an invalid date and 
exclude from potential problems.

Add a To Do to find the actual year.

Cathy

At 03:30 PM 6/10/2007, you wrote:


Hi Listers
I'm not happy with trying to enter dates into my file.  I've got some
dates where the day and month are known, but the year is listed as
19??.  I'm not sure how to enter it into my file.

I could enter it twenty or more years after the bride's birthday 1950,
but how to do that?
eg 20 Feb  the year could be between 1971-1999.

Any suggestions?
Cheers
Tracy





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RE: [LegacyUG] Please take it off list

2007-10-06 Thread Kees Hessels

I agree !

Kees hessels

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Verzonden: zaterdag 6 oktober 2007 5:56
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Onderwerp: Re: [LegacyUG] Please take it off list

Jim,

Could you please explain just why a group of people having a sane and 
civilized discussion about a subject should be told to take it off list 
when those offended by it have a simple solution at hand- the delete 
key. After all, the subject is clearly stated and there is no digest 
mode so they have to make an active choice to read that which upsets 
them; or perhaps it is those offended who should be asked to go to 
another list.

It almost brings up the question "Who runs the list? The Moderator or a 
small group of bigots?"




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Sent: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 10:34 pm
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Dear Listers:

I have had numerous requests today to ban the subject of same-sex 
marriages.
Because several people are getting upset again, please take this 
subject off
list.  LUG subscribers are free to exchange e-mail messages between
themselves, or they may join the RootsWeb mailing list for Legacy Family
Tree at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/LEGACY.html and 
carry
on the discussion there.

Thank you,

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RE: [LegacyUG] Please take it off list

2007-10-06 Thread Michael Clarke


 > -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:LegacyUserGroup-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kees Hessels
> Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 1:20 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
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> 
> I agree !
> 
> Kees hessels
> 
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Verzonden: zaterdag 6 oktober 2007 5:56
> Aan: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Onderwerp: Re: [LegacyUG] Please take it off list
> 
> Jim,
> 
> Could you please explain just why a group of people having a sane and
> civilized discussion about a subject should be told to take it off list
> when those offended by it have a simple solution at hand- the delete
> key. After all, the subject is clearly stated and there is no digest
> mode so they have to make an active choice to read that which upsets
> them; or perhaps it is those offended who should be asked to go to
> another list.
> 
> It almost brings up the question "Who runs the list? The Moderator or a
> small group of bigots?"
> 

I concur with the above.

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[LegacyUG] same sex issue

2007-10-06 Thread Jess M

I've been on this list for only about two weeks, so if
the email goes out to every new member, then I never
saw it. If it went out when the original upheaval
started, I was not a member then and wouldn't be aware
of that.

If I get removed, I get removed, doesn't change that
it is a legitimate issue I have with my software.


--- Don Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I thought that the email from the Legacy admin was
> very specific about
> people bringing this subject up again and giving
> your views whether pro or
> con were prohibited and anyone violating these
> guidelines would be
> immediately unsubscribed.
> 
> -- 
> Don Brown
> Orangeville, Ontario, Canada
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> > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Is Anybody There?... same
> sex relationships
> > 

Jess M 
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CJ-9  
Jo-7 
 





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Re: [LegacyUG] source label color

2007-10-06 Thread Joan Lalonde

Thank you Joe.  I never would have figured that out.

Joan
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  Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] source label color


  I remember that one. It's Colors tab, then contents.





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[LegacyUG] Advice on publishing a book

2007-10-06 Thread Christine Pearce

Hello all. 

 

I would like to ultimately put all my hard work into a paper book for my
family, but wonder about what to include.

 

I will definitely want to output to RTF and would, ideally, like to show
both my father and mother's lines, so the "book" would basically include all
Legacy reports that deal with ancestors. The book might then include:

* Lineage chart and/or?

* Ancestor chart and/or?

* Pedigree chart?

 

* Ancestor book (narrative) and/or?

* Multiple lines of descent? (not actually sure I understand what this is!)

 

* Family picture tree

* Relationships report

* Surname summary

* Special text entries for stuff like name meanings, etc.

* Locations

* Family group record (although this can't be output into RTF, I suppose
they could be inserted with blank pages when the book is output to RTF.

 

Is all this overkill? What would/do you include, and how do you arrange it?
Do/Would you divide output into chapters? If so, how do you define them?

 

Another question. Ancestor books don't allow you to show information about
siblings of your ancestors. For example, Great-Great-Great Uncle Ludicrous
did some pretty amazing stuff that you'd like to include. Do you create a
separate Ancestor book for his line? For each name - on both male and female
lines would result in a lot of books, many with duplicate information. Even
so, what charts and reports would you include in this (descendent) book?

 

Besides text responses to these questions, any PDF examples of your books
would be appreciated as I've never actually seen one!

 

Christine

 

 





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RE: [LegacyUG] ?? easy way to upload Legacy web pages to 'freepages' ??

2007-10-06 Thread Paul A.

J B,

I am on dial up and can't possible sit and wait on 3,000 pages to upload
other than through an FTP program. Sometime back I downloaded "SmartFTP" and
used it to upload my Legacy webpages.

-- 
Paul

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ungrateful we are, and how we labor to mar His gifts." ~ Gen. Robert E. Lee,
CSA

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Subject: [LegacyUG] ?? easy way to upload Legacy web pages to 'freepages' ??


Have used the Legacy feature to create  'pedigree' web pages.

Have created a web site with 'freepages' at rootsweb...

Is there an easier way to upload the hundreds of pages at one time ? ?

I did manage to upload the 'family group' created pages, but also had to 
select each page rather than do it in only monster upload.

Any suggestions ? ?


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Re: [LegacyUG] Advice on publishing a book


Hi Christine,

Ultimately you'll have to decide what to include 
in your book. And the best way to get a feel for 
how it might look is to experiment using the PDF 
options so you don't kill a forest when you're just trying things out.


May I suggest instead of heaps of Ancestor Books 
which would overlap, that you either use a 
Multiple Line of Descent (use the Pedigree View 
and pick up the earliest couple/person in each line)

or several Descendant books or Descendant Narrative books.
A Multiple Line of Descent Book is a collection 
of Descendant Books but where they overlap, it 
stops printing the rest of the descendants of 
that line as they're already present in the earlier line.


Use an Ancestor book just to highlight your 
direct line ancestors.  It's the descendant books 
that pick up Great-Great-Great Uncle Ludicrous.


How many reports you include depends on how much 
information you have in your database and how 
many sources you are planning to print.


If I included all you suggested in one book, it 
wouldn't be a book but several volumes ;-)


Cathy

At 09:13 PM 6/10/2007, you wrote:


Hello all.

I would like to ultimately put all my hard work 
into a paper book for my family, but wonder about what to include.


I will definitely want to output to RTF and 
would, ideally, like to show both my father and 
mothers lines, so the book would basically 
include all Legacy reports that deal with 
ancestors. The book might then include:

* Lineage chart and/or?
* Ancestor chart and/or?
* Pedigree chart?

* Ancestor book (narrative) and/or?
* Multiple lines of descent? (not actually sure I understand what this is!)

* Family picture tree
* Relationships report
* Surname summary
* Special text entries for stuff like name meanings, etc.
* Locations
* Family group record (although this cant be 
output into RTF, I suppose they could be 
inserted with blank pages when the book is output to RTF.


Is all this overkill? What would/do you include, 
and how do you arrange it? Do/Would you divide 
output into chapters? If so, how do you define them?


Another question. Ancestor books dont allow you 
to show information about siblings of your 
ancestors. For example, Great-Great-Great Uncle 
Ludicrous did some pretty amazing stuff that 
youd like to include. Do you create a separate 
Ancestor book for his line? For each name  on 
both male and female lines would result in a lot 
of books, many with duplicate information. Even 
so, what charts and reports would you include in this (descendent) book?


Besides text responses to these questions, any 
PDF examples of your books would be appreciated 
as Ive never actually seen one!


Christine





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RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy 7.0

2007-10-06 Thread Jane Fabiano-Turner

Wonder when we will be able to get the updates?

Jane

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This url to a blog about the new version was sent to
this news group earlier.  Looks as if it has some
interesting new features:

http://rzamor1.blogspot.com/2007/07/sneak-peek-of-legacy-7.html

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RE: [LegacyUG] Suggestions wanted please: How to enter "boarder"

2007-10-06 Thread Cary

This gets into the whole issue of who is a bone fide family member.  If he
were only a boarder MY answer would be not to enter him at all.  It seems
likely from the little here that David Williams, still a boarder, was
wrongly listed in 1910 as a Kaspar.



Even if you are correct that David K and David W are the same person and
he really went by Kaspar later, dont assume there was either an adoption
or a formal name change unless you find proof.  If other records confirm a
David Kaspar who was in your family, then I would enter David Kaspar in
Legacy, and put all the info about David W in Notes because hes only
possibly the same person.  If you are more sure than you have explained,
you could also enter the 1910 Census as an Event saying he appeared as
David Williams, boarder and enter an alias name.







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Subject: [LegacyUG] Suggestions wanted please: How to enter "boarder"



I would appreciate some suggestions on how to enter a "boarder" into
Legacy so that a future reader can understand clearly it is not a bona
fide family member. Any suggestions? Here is what I know:

I changed the names, some descendants are kind of "touchy" about this.

William Kasper was born 1847. Married Kathy Anderson in 1865, he was 18,
she was 17.
First child came less than a year later. Second child a little more than a
year later.
Sometime between 1900 and 1910, they allowed a boarder into their home. He
was 13. This boarder's name was David Williams. The 1910 census lists him
as age 16, and lists him as a boarder.
1920 Census shows "David" as David Kasper, boarder. He is 23. I feel that
David Kasper is David Williams.

Apparently they did not adopt at first. They must have at some point if he
changed his last name, though.

My question: How would I best enter a "boarder" into Legacy? Just show a
copy of the census?

Thanks.

Robert

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RE: [LegacyUG] Foster children

2007-10-06 Thread familyjesse

I have a question related to this and to census. There are events for
husband and events for wife but is there any way to list shared events like
vacations, foster children, census where all the members of the family
were involved or events where husband and wife were involved?  It is tedious
to add the same event to every single person's file in the family and then
it prints out ten times??

Thanks,
Carol

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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Foster children

Hi Tracy,

When you link the foster child, you link to a new relationship so you 
set special sentence structures in the Marriage Information screen.
instead of "had a relationship" try "fostered a child"
Check the didn't marry check box as well so that these options are used.

Sorry - writing from memory and there may be a couple of other things 
so read each screen carefully and then check a book report and see 
whether it reads OK.

You also need to right click on the foster child when he's in Family 
View as a child and go into Children's Settings. There you can set 
Parent Child relationships and Child status.
You then need to choose to include these on Reports.

Cathy

At 12:07 PM 6/10/2007, you wrote:

>Hi Listers
>I prefer the family history view of the world, I've got heaps of yyy
>begat zzz, which are easy to add to the file.  What about foster
>children?  I've got a cousin and in my family's view he is very much a
>member of the family even with no biological ties, he became part of
>the family originally as a foster child.  How can I add him in to the
>file?  If I link him to my aunt, the reports come up with the sentence
>aaa had a relationship and had a child bbb. Where do I change his
>status to foster child?
>Cheers
>Tracy

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RE: [LegacyUG] Suggestions wanted please: How to enter "boarder"

2007-10-06 Thread familyjesse

Sorry for jumping in on this, but I would never leave him out if he was
there in the census. Those kinds of details sometimes come together later to
mean something, and not always what you thought they meant initially.  In
your event details you can list him and tell the situation without listing
him as a family member (probably what Cary meant?)

 

In my family we have had boarders listed in census in Wales.  In one case
the boarder turned out to be a niece. In another case, the boarder married a
daughter in the family shortly later. In another case, the family had come
on hard times and needed to rent out a room. In another case in the USA, my
ancestor, (David Williams) was a boarder with his uncle Prosser when he
first arrived in the US. So there are many possibilities. 

 

It is also possible that your David Williams left and the David Kasper might
have been a nephew or some such relation. So don’t leave any details out of
your notes but I also would not add him as a family member. In 1910 perhaps
there is someone left in the family who would remember and be able to give
you some more information?

 

Carol

 

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This gets into the whole issue of who is a bone fide family member.  If he
were only a boarder MY answer would be not to enter him at all.  It seems
likely from the little here that David Williams, still a boarder, was
wrongly listed in 1910 as a Kaspar.

 

Even if you are correct that David K and David W are the same person and he
really went by Kaspar later, don’t assume there was either an adoption or a
formal name change unless you find proof.  If other records confirm a David
Kaspar who was in your family, then I would enter David Kaspar in Legacy,
and put all the info about David W in Notes because he’s only possibly the
same person.  If you are more sure than you have explained, you could also
enter the 1910 Census as an Event saying he “appeared as” David Williams,
boarder… and enter an alias name.

 

 

 

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I would appreciate some suggestions on how to enter a "boarder" into Legacy
so that a future reader can understand clearly it is not a bona fide family
member. Any suggestions? Here is what I know:

I changed the names, some descendants are kind of "touchy" about this.

William Kasper was born 1847. Married Kathy Anderson in 1865, he was 18, she
was 17.
First child came less than a year later. Second child a little more than a
year later.
Sometime between 1900 and 1910, they allowed a boarder into their home. He
was 13. This boarder's name was David Williams. The 1910 census lists him as
age 16, and lists him as a boarder.
1920 Census shows "David" as David Kasper, boarder. He is 23. I feel that
David Kasper is David Williams.

Apparently they did not adopt at first. They must have at some point if he
changed his last name, though.

My question: How would I best enter a "boarder" into Legacy? Just show a
copy of the census?

Thanks.

Robert

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Re: [LegacyUG] source label color

From the Family View, I clicked on Customize, Colors, Contents, but I don't 

see anything about sources.

Pat

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I remember that one. It's Colors tab, then contents.



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I just moved into a new computer.  I lost some of my Legacy settings. 
I've

figured out how to get most of them back, but one has me puzzled.  I would
like to change the text color that shows up when an item has a source. 
Help

please.



Thanks.

Joan Tyo Lalonde

Potsdam, Saint Lawrence County, New York

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Re: [LegacyUG] same sex relationships

Why don't you just set up your message rules to delete emails with "same 
sex" in the subject line?  Then others could solve their problems and you 
could avoid them!?

Pat

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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] same sex relationships

STOP!!  This is at least the 3rd time  this has come up and all it does is
lead to problems.  Those in charge have banned the topic.  So - no BUTS or
anything else - just STOP!!

On 10/5/07, Allen Prunty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Bert van Kootwijk wrote:
> Not,
> and please drop this discussion.
We can discuss this without discussing the ethics and morality of it.

It's a real issue... I have a cousin who has a same-sex relationship and
he has legally adopted the other guy's child.  The adoption is legal and
therefore the child is technically... well legally... part of the
family.  While my family does not recognize the "relationship" we do
accept the child as family.   I just entered the child as "adopted" in
the parent-child relationship and explained how the child came to be
adopted (and his "partner") in his notes without entering him in the
database.  I then enter the child's biological parents (male and female)
as an unrelated couple.

As some governments are legalizing this in many parts of the world... we
need to have a way to account for it... whether or not we agree with
it.  I don't think we should punish children involved in these
relationships.

Allen

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Re: [LegacyUG] Advice on publishing a book

2007-10-06 Thread John Carter

Create PDF versions of each of the reports/charts and show them to other
family members.
Some people prefer the line-and-box charts, some want text, others want a
verbose narrative.  Some want source details, others just want the
"people" parts.  You can't please everyone, but you can find out which
reports/formats are most wanted.  Then you can create different electronic
versions (as many as you need) and upload them to one of the online
publishers.  Each family member can then choose the version he/she
prefers.

File this away for the time you decide to produce copies for the family ;-)

I have no connection with any company listed below, so this is not an ad,
just a listing of possible options for paper publishing.

There are on-line publishers that will store your electronic document(s)
and print & ship books on demand.

Unlike traditional "vanity press" publishers, the on-line publishers have
a minimum order of *one* book.  You may want to compare with your local
Kinko's (or equivalent) to see what their binding options are and how
shipping affects the total price.

One such publisher is Lulu ( http://www.lulu.com/en/products/hardcover/ if
you want to explore the options).  They offer a number of choices in
bindings (paperback, hardcover, etc) and b&w or color printing.  A 100
page, hardbound, 6x9 b&w book is $16.00 ($32.00 for color).  The same book
in 6x9 or 8.5x11 perfectbound (like most paperback how-to books) is $6.53
(color is $19.53).  There are discounts for orders of 25 or more.  If you
plan to include charts, the 8.5x11 page size is probably the better
choice.

I've not used them yet (still deciding what to include) but the current
price of a ream of good printer paper, not to mention the time involved in
physically assembling a book (based on my experience creating training
manuals), makes $6.53 plus shipping very attractive for producing a bound
book.

Sanity check: Can your printer do two-sided printing?  Can your stapler
handle more than 20 pages?  If your answer to either is "No", then you
probably want someone else to print and bind the document for you.

I know that my first effort will be less than perfect, so having the
single copy option is essential.  Because the detailed family information
changes every year (marriage, birth, death) I doubt that I will ever
produce a hardcover edition - just a new paperback edition every year or
two.  I would only order a couple of copies to take to the annual family
reunion - most of the younger people (under 70) can handle ordering on the
web (which is how I make pictures from the reunion available - gotta love
Snapfish and the like ;-)

I haven't researched whether they offer fold-out pages (for bigger charts)
or inside back cover attachments (such as a CD).

John


> Hello all.
>
>
>
> I would like to ultimately put all my hard work into a paper book for my
> family, but wonder about what to include.
>
>
>
> I will definitely want to output to RTF and would, ideally, like to show
> both my father and mother's lines, so the "book" would basically include
> all
> Legacy reports that deal with ancestors. The book might then include:
>
> * Lineage chart and/or?
>
> * Ancestor chart and/or?
>
> * Pedigree chart?
>
>
>
> * Ancestor book (narrative) and/or?
>
> * Multiple lines of descent? (not actually sure I understand what this
> is!)
>
>
>
> * Family picture tree
>
> * Relationships report
>
> * Surname summary
>
> * Special text entries for stuff like name meanings, etc.
>
> * Locations
>
> * Family group record (although this can't be output into RTF, I suppose
> they could be inserted with blank pages when the book is output to RTF.
>
>
>
> Is all this overkill? What would/do you include, and how do you arrange
> it?
> Do/Would you divide output into chapters? If so, how do you define them?
>
>
>
> Another question. Ancestor books don't allow you to show information about
> siblings of your ancestors. For example, Great-Great-Great Uncle Ludicrous
> did some pretty amazing stuff that you'd like to include. Do you create a
> separate Ancestor book for his line? For each name - on both male and
> female
> lines would result in a lot of books, many with duplicate information.
> Even
> so, what charts and reports would you include in this (descendent) book?
>
>
>
> Besides text responses to these questions, any PDF examples of your books
> would be appreciated as I've never actually seen one!
>
>
>
> Christine
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Suggestions wanted please: How to enter "boarder"


I would appreciate some suggestions on how to enter a "boarder" into
Legacy so that a future reader can understand clearly it is not a bona
fide family member.


I'm not sure this is relevant to your particular issue, but I have an event 
entitled "Also living in household"
and then in description I put in the person's name, age, sex, race, 
relationship (boarder, servant, cook, mother-in-law or whatever), and any 
other info.  Mostly this comes from the census so for date I put in the 
census year and for location whatever I can get from the census.  If the 
person is a relative and hence in my database I go to his/her edit screen 
and add the event "Living" and in Description "with son-in-law John Doe's 
family" and give the date and location as above.


Pat

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Subject: [LegacyUG] Suggestions wanted please: How to enter "boarder"



I would appreciate some suggestions on how to enter a "boarder" into
Legacy so that a future reader can understand clearly it is not a bona
fide family member. Any suggestions? Here is what I know:

I changed the names, some descendants are kind of "touchy" about this.

William Kasper was born 1847. Married Kathy Anderson in 1865, he was 18,
she was 17.
First child came less than a year later. Second child a little more than
a year later.
Sometime between 1900 and 1910, they allowed a boarder into their home.
He was 13. This boarder's name was David Williams. The 1910 census lists
him as age 16, and lists him as a boarder.
1920 Census shows "David" as David Kasper, boarder. He is 23. I feel
that David Kasper is David Williams.

Apparently they did not adopt at first. They must have at some point if
he changed his last name, though.

My question: How would I best enter a "boarder" into Legacy? Just show a
copy of the census?

Thanks.

Robert




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Re: [LegacyUG] source label color

2007-10-06 Thread Kay Fordham


Pat:


From the Help File on Information Screen:


"Highlighted Field Titles

As you add source documentation to the pieces of information on the screen, 
the title labels for those fields will be highlighted a different color so 
that you can see at a glance which information is documented.  (See 
Customize - Colors for information on setting the highlight colors.)"


Therefore, go to Customize - Colors - Text Colors - Contents.  Change the 
contents color to whatever you choose and save.


Kay Fordham

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Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 8:35 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] source label color


From the Family View, I clicked on Customize, Colors, Contents, but I 
don't see anything about sources.


Pat

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Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] source label color



I remember that one. It's Colors tab, then contents.



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Re: [LegacyUG] Suggestions wanted please: How to enter "boarder"

Pat, I believe that is the best suggestion I've seen so far.  Thanks!

On 10/6/07, Pat Hickin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >I would appreciate some suggestions on how to enter a "boarder" into
> > Legacy so that a future reader can understand clearly it is not a bona
> > fide family member.
>
> I'm not sure this is relevant to your particular issue, but I have an
> event
> entitled "Also living in household"
> and then in description I put in the person's name, age, sex, race,
> relationship (boarder, servant, cook, mother-in-law or whatever), and any
> other info.  Mostly this comes from the census so for date I put in the
> census year and for location whatever I can get from the census.  If the
> person is a relative and hence in my database I go to his/her edit screen
> and add the event "Living" and in Description "with son-in-law John Doe's
> family" and give the date and location as above.
>
> Pat
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Robert Carneal USA" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 1:16 AM
> Subject: [LegacyUG] Suggestions wanted please: How to enter "boarder"
>
>
> >I would appreciate some suggestions on how to enter a "boarder" into
> > Legacy so that a future reader can understand clearly it is not a bona
> > fide family member. Any suggestions? Here is what I know:
> >
> > I changed the names, some descendants are kind of "touchy" about this.
> >
> > William Kasper was born 1847. Married Kathy Anderson in 1865, he was 18,
> > she was 17.
> > First child came less than a year later. Second child a little more than
> > a year later.
> > Sometime between 1900 and 1910, they allowed a boarder into their home.
> > He was 13. This boarder's name was David Williams. The 1910 census lists
> > him as age 16, and lists him as a boarder.
> > 1920 Census shows "David" as David Kasper, boarder. He is 23. I feel
> > that David Kasper is David Williams.
> >
> > Apparently they did not adopt at first. They must have at some point if
> > he changed his last name, though.
> >
> > My question: How would I best enter a "boarder" into Legacy? Just show a
> > copy of the census?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Robert
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [LegacyUG] Error #6

2007-10-06 Thread Susan Daily

Melody,
can you manually open the GEDCOM file using a text editor like
WordPad, and simply erase half the file at a time? Then try importing
it into a new test Legacy file? Then do it again with the other half,
opening into a second test file. Then merge the two files, or simply
import from one to the other? You might get a lot of broken links at
that halfway point, I suppose.

Guess this isn't such a great idea after all!
Susan

On 10/5/07, Melody B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I searched the archives first.  At that time, it seems that Legacy indicated
> that this was due to a bug which would be fixed in the next build.  Since I
> got Legacy a couple of months ago, I assume I got the most recent bug.
>
> Does anyone know if this bug was fixed?
>
> My bug... I try to import a GEDCOM of 46K+ people into a new family tree and
> Legacy croaks on person #14035.  I tried the work-arounds that seem to
> sometimes help (moving dot usr files) but it didn't.  I suspect that Legacy
> can actually handle the file no problem if I could only get it imported.  If
> I had a method of splitting the gedcom into smaller pieces, I suspect I
> could work around this.  But the only thing I've seen that will split
> GEDCOMs is GenSplit (or something like) which doesn't actually seem to exist
> any more.
>
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RE: [LegacyUG] Error #6

2007-10-06 Thread Melody

I did try that.  The problem with brute-force chopping up the file is that
info in the last half of the file references stuff in the first half and
those links get broken.  But yep, it will except for that import the files
just fine.

-Original Message-
From: Susan Daily
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 3:57 PM
Melody,
can you manually open the GEDCOM file using a text editor like WordPad, and
simply erase half the file at a time? Then try importing it into a new test
Legacy file? Then do it again with the other half, opening into a second
test file. Then merge the two files, or simply import from one to the other?
You might get a lot of broken links at that halfway point, I suppose.

Guess this isn't such a great idea after all!
Susan

On 10/5/07, Melody B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I searched the archives first.  At that time, it seems that Legacy 
> indicated that this was due to a bug which would be fixed in the next 
> build.  Since I got Legacy a couple of months ago, I assume I got the most
recent bug.
>
> Does anyone know if this bug was fixed?
>
> My bug... I try to import a GEDCOM of 46K+ people into a new family 
> tree and Legacy croaks on person #14035.  I tried the work-arounds 
> that seem to sometimes help (moving dot usr files) but it didn't.  I 
> suspect that Legacy can actually handle the file no problem if I could 
> only get it imported.  If I had a method of splitting the gedcom into 
> smaller pieces, I suspect I could work around this.  But the only 
> thing I've seen that will split GEDCOMs is GenSplit (or something 
> like) which doesn't actually seem to exist any more.




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RE: [LegacyUG] Please take it off list -- IT'S A LEGITMATE QUERY, FOLKS!

2007-10-06 Thread Stacey Connella

I certainly hope the petty arguments I see on in this list aren't
representative of all the Legacy users. I'm currently evaluating Legacy
against RootsMagic after 15 years on FTM. All things being equal between the
two (i.e., same number of pros and cons, and neither being lacking in any
key features I consider to be essential to my style of research), I must say
that the tone of this thread is enough to be the tie-breaker (in favor of
RM3).

I find it astonishing that an obviously legitimate, family history subject
should be banned. Note, I said family history, not genealogy. Let's face
it... the vast majority of people working on family trees, are NOT engaged
in academic genealogy of a purist nature. They are recording everything they
find to be relevant to their family's history, everything that might be
potentially meaningful to future generations. This type of research and
documentation is much more about family relationships than blood lines. As
long is this list is not restricted exclusively to Legacy users who are
rigidly academic genealogical purists, the subject is without question a
legitimate one. It could even be argued that it's extremely relevant to pure
genealogy, as well. After all, if homosexuality is ever proven to be
genetically determined, one might expect future members of their blood line
to find it helpful to to know whether it "runs in the family".

I've only been on list a few weeks, but nearly every time I've seen the
topic raised, it's been in a process-related vein. People simply want to
know the best way of documenting these relationships in their family
histories and/or how to process them specifically with their Legacy
software. There is nothing about the decision to include this subject in
their histories that is any more wrong or offensive than any other of the
other non-mainstream events that come up -- things like children born out of
wedlock, philandering, insanity, murder, mixed race relationships, and so
on. (I'm guessing most of these might be similarly offensive to those who
have a moral objection to homosexuality; if so, I'd be curious to know how
they deal with these *problems* in their family trees.)

Granted, users SHOULD search the archives before posting any query, but the
reality is that they often don't. Or, if they do, perhaps they fail to find
the previous discussions of a topic. So, when a repeat query is posted, why
can't somebody simply reply with the link? This POLITELY and helpfully
provides the desired assistance, AND effectively ends the thread. As far as
I can see, the only reason the discussion goes on and on and on and on is
because users feel compelled to respond with their opinions on (1) the
appropriateness or inappropriateness of same sex relationships, (2) whether
it's right or wrong for Legacy not to revise its code in order to more
easily deal with these relationships, or, (3) most frequently, whether the
query should even be posed in the first place. This final response always
seems to be based on the argument that too many people are offended by the
topic, or that it's genealogically inappropriate to record such
relationships. 

I see similarly heated responses to other subjects, especially adoption. So
why has this volatile subject not been banned? 

Bottom line: These argumentative, critical, complaining, arrogant responses
are counterproductive, and FAR more offensive than the subject originally
raised. The purpose of the list is to HELP each other, not tear everyone
down. So, if somebody asks for help, it seems that a bunch of supposedly
grown people could choose to either do so, or to ignore the subject, just as
they do with virtually every other topic raised. 

Sorry to have written a dissertation, but this whole thing just strikes me
as not only absurd, but utterly childish.

Stacey


P.S.
For the record, I am not homosexual, insane, adopted, or any of the other
things discussed. Some of these do occur in my family. For that matter, they
probably occur to one degree or another in almost all families. A fact is a
fact whether I record it or not. Since I engage in genealogy out of a great
love of history, research, my heritage, my children, and the pursuit of
knowledge, it's not for me to *edit* or censor the facts. If it's reality,
whether it's good or bad, a source of pride or embarrassment, interesting or
boring, it still DOES belong the history. Period. My two cents.

Feel free to flame me on or off list... 8-D

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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Please take it off list

Could you please explain just why a group of people having a sane and 
civilized discussion about a subject should be told to take it off list 
when those offended by it have a simple solution at hand- the delete 
key. After all, the subject is clearly stated and there is no digest 
mode

[LegacyUG] GEDSplit

2007-10-06 Thread John Carter

I found copies of GEDSplit, GEDLiving95 (to remove details on living
people), and Gedcaps95 (to change capitalization) tucked away in a far
corner of my hard drive.

These programs are all shareware by Randy Winch ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and I
think registration is $10 per program (see the nag screens in the programs
- some have email, some have snail mail).

Since the original download site is no longer operational (I downloaded my
copies in March 2006), I'll put the unregistered versions up on my site
for a few days for those who are interested.

The links are:
http://www.jecarter.us/files/GEDSplit.exe
http://www.jecarter.us/files/GEDLivng95.exe
http://www.jecarter.us/files/Gedcaps95.exe

John




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Re: [LegacyUG] Error #6

2007-10-06 Thread Susan Daily

Did you receive the file from someone else or create it yourself? Can
you import it into another program like FTM or the free LDS software,
PAF? If you can import it into PAF, how about then splitting up one of
the major couples so that you can peel off about 10k-20k names? Then
try exporting to a new GEDCOM and importing then.

Alternatively, has Support contacted you about trying to import the
file themselves, if you are willing to email it to them?

I know there are other LUGgers here who have more than 50k names in
their databases. Perhaps they can do a GEDCOM export, and then try
importing that into a new family file to see if they get the same
error that you do. I only have less than 7k names, so can't help in
that regard.

Susan

On 10/6/07, Melody <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I did try that.  The problem with brute-force chopping up the file is that
> info in the last half of the file references stuff in the first half and
> those links get broken.  But yep, it will except for that import the files
> just fine.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Susan Daily
> Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 3:57 PM
> Melody,
> can you manually open the GEDCOM file using a text editor like WordPad, and
> simply erase half the file at a time? Then try importing it into a new test
> Legacy file? Then do it again with the other half, opening into a second
> test file. Then merge the two files, or simply import from one to the other?
> You might get a lot of broken links at that halfway point, I suppose.
>
> Guess this isn't such a great idea after all!
> Susan
>
> On 10/5/07, Melody B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I searched the archives first.  At that time, it seems that Legacy
> > indicated that this was due to a bug which would be fixed in the next
> > build.  Since I got Legacy a couple of months ago, I assume I got the most
> recent bug.
> >
> > Does anyone know if this bug was fixed?
> >
> > My bug... I try to import a GEDCOM of 46K+ people into a new family
> > tree and Legacy croaks on person #14035.  I tried the work-arounds
> > that seem to sometimes help (moving dot usr files) but it didn't.  I
> > suspect that Legacy can actually handle the file no problem if I could
> > only get it imported.  If I had a method of splitting the gedcom into
> > smaller pieces, I suspect I could work around this.  But the only
> > thing I've seen that will split GEDCOMs is GenSplit (or something
> > like) which doesn't actually seem to exist any more.
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Please take it off list -- IT'S A LEGITMATE QUERY, FOLKS!


Stacey...

I agree fully... I got a free copy of Roots Magic with my World Vital 
Records subscription.  Legacy has much more features except the ability 
to record a Male-Male / Female-Female relationships.


I am honestly disheartened at the fact that we can not discuss real 
world issues.  I do stress that I am no fan of Same Sex Marraiges or 
relationships.  I am sure that the ones that are so opposed to this are 
Christians... as I am... but they forget that we are to love the person 
not the sin.  I don't judge my homosexual family... and like you I feel 
that it should be recorded in our family history.  I have a cousin who 
is a lesbian who has a biological child with her lesbian partner using 
sperm donated by her gay brother... (talk about a mess there).  I also 
have another cousin who is gay that legally adopted his partner's 
biological children.


They come to the family reunions and we welcome them as family... to not 
do so would mean we are judging them and we too will be judged as we judge.


Now that you know the mechanics of the situation... how best should this 
be recorded in our family history?


I know that this is an "Elephant" in the room but ignoring it won't make 
it go away.  I am trying to discuss this as an adult keeping my beliefs 
and negativity -OUT- of the equation.  I would hope that others 
(especially the Legacy staff) would take note that this is a real-world 
issue that is going to become more and more prevalent as governments 
continue to Legalize same-sex unions.  It is nothing that has not 
happened throughout time... just in modern times it's not as hidden as 
it once was.


Allen

Stacey Connella wrote:

I certainly hope the petty arguments I see on in this list aren't
representative of all the Legacy users. I'm currently evaluating Legacy
against RootsMagic after 15 years on FTM. All things being equal between the
two (i.e., same number of pros and cons, and neither being lacking in any
key features I consider to be essential to my style of research), I must say
that the tone of this thread is enough to be the tie-breaker (in favor of
RM3).

I find it astonishing that an obviously legitimate, family history subject
should be banned. Note, I said family history, not genealogy. Let's face
it... the vast majority of people working on family trees, are NOT engaged
in academic genealogy of a purist nature. They are recording everything they
find to be relevant to their family's history, everything that might be
potentially meaningful to future generations. This type of research and
documentation is much more about family relationships than blood lines. As
long is this list is not restricted exclusively to Legacy users who are
rigidly academic genealogical purists, the subject is without question a
legitimate one. It could even be argued that it's extremely relevant to pure
genealogy, as well. After all, if homosexuality is ever proven to be
genetically determined, one might expect future members of their blood line
to find it helpful to to know whether it "runs in the family".

I've only been on list a few weeks, but nearly every time I've seen the
topic raised, it's been in a process-related vein. People simply want to
know the best way of documenting these relationships in their family
histories and/or how to process them specifically with their Legacy
software. There is nothing about the decision to include this subject in
their histories that is any more wrong or offensive than any other of the
other non-mainstream events that come up -- things like children born out of
wedlock, philandering, insanity, murder, mixed race relationships, and so
on. (I'm guessing most of these might be similarly offensive to those who
have a moral objection to homosexuality; if so, I'd be curious to know how
they deal with these *problems* in their family trees.)

Granted, users SHOULD search the archives before posting any query, but the
reality is that they often don't. Or, if they do, perhaps they fail to find
the previous discussions of a topic. So, when a repeat query is posted, why
can't somebody simply reply with the link? This POLITELY and helpfully
provides the desired assistance, AND effectively ends the thread. As far as
I can see, the only reason the discussion goes on and on and on and on is
because users feel compelled to respond with their opinions on (1) the
appropriateness or inappropriateness of same sex relationships, (2) whether
it's right or wrong for Legacy not to revise its code in order to more
easily deal with these relationships, or, (3) most frequently, whether the
query should even be posed in the first place. This final response always
seems to be based on the argument that too many people are offended by the
topic, or that it's genealogically inappropriate to record such
relationships. 


I see similarly heated responses to other subjects, especially adoption. So
why has this volatile subject not been banned? 


Bottom line: These argumentative, criti

Re: [LegacyUG] Please take it off list


Jim...

If this is the official word from Legacy Technical support and the 
company then I can assume that we will never see this support in the 
software in the future.  There are several very public messages today 
that indicate that there are some of us who need this... granted we 
don't always agree with it the need is there.


I, as a long time paying customer, feel very slighted in being silenced 
over a real issue because some have their own personal agendas of what 
is correct and proper in procedure and what is moral in their eyes.


It is my hopes that as a moderator you can keep the topic on the issue 
and not let it degrade into a discussion on how immoral or wrong this 
is.  Whether we agree if it is immoral or moral we still have it going 
on in our family.  It probably has repeated before... there are many old 
"spinsters" who had no children and unmarried men in the past.  Things 
were not as open before and God forbid if it is genetic it could help 
future generations.


If this is Legacy's official stance then I guess I can abandon hope that 
it will ever have this functionality... now I am asking you as a 
technical support representative... how can I best prepare my datafile 
to import into another genealogy software?  Perhaps it's time to look 
elsewhere.


Allen

Jim Terry wrote:

Dear Listers:

I have had numerous requests today to ban the subject of same-sex marriages.
Because several people are getting upset again, please take this subject off
list.  LUG subscribers are free to exchange e-mail messages between
themselves, or they may join the RootsWeb mailing list for Legacy Family
Tree at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/LEGACY.html and carry
on the discussion there.

Thank you,

Jim Terry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree





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[LegacyUG] My Previous post

Oh and I forgot to add on my previous post... I really don't know people 
to ask the question off list... if anyone reads my situation and knows 
how to record it please e-mail me offlist... even though it probably 
would benefit someone else.


It's hard to ask questions offlist when you don't have a clue who to ask.

Allen



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RE: [LegacyUG] Suggestions wanted please: How to enter "boarder"

2007-10-06 Thread Jack Earnshaw

I would not include a visitor, boarder, lodger etc as a person in Legacy
unless there was an indication, at least, that he was a family member. It’s
too easy already to wander off into the in laws of the in laws of a distant
cousin without adding their friends as well.

 

BUT, and it is a big but, I would add somebody who appears to be a relative,
even though I don’t yet have enough proof. 

 

It is quite possible that David Williams / Kasper is a grandson – an
illegitimate son of one of their daughters. What I would do would be to add
him as an additional son (or possibly the son of an additional unnamed
daughter) and explain in the notes that there is currently no evidence to
prove one way or the other whether this person is related. The events that
allow his inclusion are the 1910 and 1920 censuses and they should be
clearly stated so there is no confusion as to why this person was included.
I would also add a “to do” to search for and obtain his birth certificate
etc to confirm, or otherwise, the supposition that he is a blood relative.

 

This doesn’t  mean that all boarders should be entered into the system as
most are just that, boarders. But when a person is included with two
different surnames the chances are that a cover up is taking place and that
there is a real likelihood that the person is related. Before you do add
him, is there a David Kasper, aged about 13, on the 1910 census or aged
about 3 on the 1900 census?

 

Remember, it is easier to delete somebody later when the proof is found,
than to add somebody when you can’t remember the earlier facts that you had
found.

 

Jack

 

 

 

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Sent: 06 October 2007 06:17
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Suggestions wanted please: How to enter "boarder"

 

I would appreciate some suggestions on how to enter a "boarder" into Legacy
so that a future reader can understand clearly it is not a bona fide family
member. Any suggestions? Here is what I know:

I changed the names, some descendants are kind of "touchy" about this.

William Kasper was born 1847. Married Kathy Anderson in 1865, he was 18, she
was 17.
First child came less than a year later. Second child a little more than a
year later.
Sometime between 1900 and 1910, they allowed a boarder into their home. He
was 13. This boarder's name was David Williams. The 1910 census lists him as
age 16, and lists him as a boarder.
1920 Census shows "David" as David Kasper, boarder. He is 23. I feel that
David Kasper is David Williams.

Apparently they did not adopt at first. They must have at some point if he
changed his last name, though.

My question: How would I best enter a "boarder" into Legacy? Just show a
copy of the census?

Thanks.

Robert

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RE: [LegacyUG] Please take it off list -- IT'S A LEGITMATE QUERY, FOLKS!

2007-10-06 Thread Paul

Stacey, 

You have expressed it better than anyone else has.  I, too, want ONLY to
know the best way to handle it.  But I dare never ask.  I went to the
archives.  However, I find it just as absurd and ridiculous that we cant
discuss the best way to make an entry of any relationship in our families.
ALL families have them whether people know or want to know or not.  

I am sick and tired of the fact that every time a new person comes onto the
list and asks how to record it, every one gets up in arms.  They didn't
state a belief against it or for it.  

I have used Legacy for several years and am now comtemplating leaving it.
I'm not contemplating it based on the topic or the fact that someone asks a
legitimate question of how to best record a relationship in his or her
family.  NO.  I am contemplating it based on the fact that the Legacy
administrators would rather ban a topic of legitimate discussion than to
tell those that get up in arms not read a topic they don't like.  No one has
to open a message if they don't like the topic. That is simple enough. As
you said, how many times does the topic of adoption or foster children, etc
come up and there is heated debate but, admin sits silent?

I hope the Legacy admin will take a look at this again and take a different
approach.  Rather than ban a topic because someone doesn't like it, help
with the discussion and tell those that don't like it that they don't have
to read it.  

What about all the abortions that occur in your families?  How do you record
them?  Since many believe that life begins at conception, do you record the
child and the date of their murder and the name of the murderer?

I am still curious about the best way to record my own relationship of 15
years, but I will go to the archives..again.


-- 
Paul

"What a glorious world God Almighty has given us. How thankless and
ungrateful we are, and how we labor to mar His gifts." ~ Gen. Robert E. Lee,
CSA

Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Please take it off list -- IT'S A LEGITMATE QUERY,
FOLKS!


As long is this list is not restricted exclusively to Legacy users who are
rigidly academic genealogical purists, the subject is without question a
legitimate one. It could even be argued that it's extremely relevant to pure
genealogy, as well. After all, if homosexuality is ever proven to be
genetically determined, one might expect future members of their blood line
to find it helpful to to know whether it "runs in the family".

People simply want to know the best way of documenting these relationships
in their family
histories and/or how to process them specifically with their Legacy
software. There is nothing about the decision to include this subject in
their histories that is any more wrong or offensive than any other of the
other non-mainstream events that come up.
(I'm guessing most of these might be similarly offensive to those who
have a moral objection to homosexuality; if so, I'd be curious to know how
they deal with these *problems* in their family trees.)

As far as
I can see, the only reason the discussion goes on and on and on and on is
because users feel compelled to respond with their opinions on (1) the
appropriateness or inappropriateness of same sex relationships, (2) whether
it's right or wrong for Legacy not to revise its code in order to more
easily deal with these relationships, or, (3) most frequently, whether the
query should even be posed in the first place. 

I see similarly heated responses to other subjects, especially adoption. So
why has this volatile subject not been banned? 

Stacey


P.S.
Since I engage in genealogy out of a great
love of history, research, my heritage, my children, and the pursuit of
knowledge, it's not for me to *edit* or censor the facts. If it's reality,
whether it's good or bad, a source of pride or embarrassment, interesting or
boring, it still DOES belong the history. Period. My two cents.

Feel free to flame me on or off list... 8-D





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RE: [LegacyUG] same sex relationships

2007-10-06 Thread Jack Earnshaw

I agree it is a real issue. The software, and the list, permits discussion
on entering data for adoptions (not genealogy), illegitimacy/the milkman
(genealogy, not family history), incest (genealogy), pets (m). So why is
this one specific subject so hard to bear.

In the UK it is now legal for two people of the same sex to get married
(it's called a civil partnership) and as much as I might abhor the concept
it is a matter of the law saying it is legitimate. Science is advancing
rapidly, although held back by politicians. It cannot be many years until it
is physically possible for two people of the same sex to create a biological
child.

Hence I don't understand why it is not possible for users to ask how to
create a same sex marriage in Legacy. Other packages do allow it and so,
unless Millennia grows up and decides to be adult about the real world it
will get left behind by other packages. Especially if every time the subject
is aired the shutters go up and we are told to "shut up"

Jack

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Prunty
Sent: 06 October 2007 01:11
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] same sex relationships

Bert van Kootwijk wrote:
> Not,
> and please drop this discussion. 
We can discuss this without discussing the ethics and morality of it.

It's a real issue... I have a cousin who has a same-sex relationship and 
he has legally adopted the other guy's child.  The adoption is legal and 
therefore the child is technically... well legally... part of the 
family.  While my family does not recognize the "relationship" we do 
accept the child as family.   I just entered the child as "adopted" in 
the parent-child relationship and explained how the child came to be 
adopted (and his "partner") in his notes without entering him in the 
database.  I then enter the child's biological parents (male and female) 
as an unrelated couple.

As some governments are legalizing this in many parts of the world... we 
need to have a way to account for it... whether or not we agree with 
it.  I don't think we should punish children involved in these 
relationships.

Allen

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RE: [LegacyUG] Who appointed some of us moderators?

2007-10-06 Thread Jack Earnshaw

Allen

Such wise words. I wish I could have put my feelings this way

Jack

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To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Who appointed some of us moderators?

GeoSci wrote:
> STOP!!  This is at least the 3rd time  this has come up and all it 
> does is lead to problems.  Those in charge have banned the topic.  So 
> - no BUTS or anything else - just STOP!!
I will probably get a message from the "official" moderator for this, 
but as a list participant I do ask in fairness for people who are not 
moderators please let the moderator handle it.  Your messages are far 
more inflammatory than the topic at hand and serve no purpose but to 
clutter the thread.

Obviously -YOU- have a problem with this thread.  If you can't just 
suspend the ethics and morality (as I am doing) of the topic and just 
discuss the mechanics of the problem then please just keep your peace 
and inflame no more.  The official moderator has posted his statement 
and I am getting the feeling that he just might let us talk about this 
issue if we can focus on the issue itself.

Sadly, the legal definition of marriage is changing around the world... 
and other cultures with other values do genealogy as well.  While I will 
make no bones about it I don't support same-sex marriages, what do we do 
when children are involved?  What if you have 2 females who have 
children and one of them is in your bloodline?  There are -REAL- issues 
here and we are adults.  We all have the capability to discuss this as 
mature and reasonable adults. 

Perhaps the people who should be called out by the moderator are the 
people who try to derail the mature and reasonable discussion... as well 
as those who are unable to conduct a mature and reasonable discussion 
about the matter.

My Great Grandmother was a very wise woman who always taught us that 
"ignoring a problem doesn't make it go away."  So perhaps this is a time 
when we can come to the table and discuss this problem in a mature and 
reasonable manner.

I'm off my soapbox and my sincere apologies to the moderator.  I do 
value the advice to all who have shared good information thus far.

Allen

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Re: [LegacyUG] Please take it off list -- IT'S A LEGITMATE QUERY, FOLKS!

Or what about the Great Great Great Grandfather who liked to make babies 
with his slaves?  I have one of those...


Or the Great, Great Uncle who had a habit of spreading his seed around town?

All families have their skeletons.

Paul wrote:

What about all the abortions that occur in your families?  How do you record
them?  Since many believe that life begins at conception, do you record the
child and the date of their murder and the name of the murderer?

I am still curious about the best way to record my own relationship of 15
years, but I will go to the archives..again.


  





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Re: [LegacyUG] Error #6

2007-10-06 Thread Robert57P via Gmail

Have you tried viewing the GEDCOM file in Notepad (or similar) at entries 
around #14035?  There might be a stray character or missing ENTER or some 
other oddity that you can spot visually and fix.  This could be right at 
14035, or it might be a few before or after that entry.

Obviously do this "fixing" to a backup of the GEDCOM file!

Is it possible to re-create the GEDCOM file from the original source?  Maybe 
during the first creation the program hiccupped and dropped something weird 
in there.  Or maybe the original program has some other options that can be 
tried during the GEDCOM creation.

Bob

- Original Message - 
From: "Susan Daily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Error #6

Did you receive the file from someone else or create it yourself? Can
you import it into another program like FTM or the free LDS software,
PAF? If you can import it into PAF, how about then splitting up one of
the major couples so that you can peel off about 10k-20k names? Then
try exporting to a new GEDCOM and importing then.

Alternatively, has Support contacted you about trying to import the
file themselves, if you are willing to email it to them?

I know there are other LUGgers here who have more than 50k names in
their databases. Perhaps they can do a GEDCOM export, and then try
importing that into a new family file to see if they get the same
error that you do. I only have less than 7k names, so can't help in
that regard.

Susan

On 10/6/07, Melody <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I did try that.  The problem with brute-force chopping up the file is 
that

info in the last half of the file references stuff in the first half and
those links get broken.  But yep, it will except for that import the 
files

just fine.

-Original Message-
From: Susan Daily
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 3:57 PM
Melody,
can you manually open the GEDCOM file using a text editor like WordPad, 
and
simply erase half the file at a time? Then try importing it into a new 
test

Legacy file? Then do it again with the other half, opening into a second
test file. Then merge the two files, or simply import from one to the 
other?

You might get a lot of broken links at that halfway point, I suppose.

Guess this isn't such a great idea after all!
Susan

On 10/5/07, Melody B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I searched the archives first.  At that time, it seems that Legacy
> indicated that this was due to a bug which would be fixed in the next
> build.  Since I got Legacy a couple of months ago, I assume I got the 
> most

recent bug.
>
> Does anyone know if this bug was fixed?
>
> My bug... I try to import a GEDCOM of 46K+ people into a new family
> tree and Legacy croaks on person #14035.  I tried the work-arounds
> that seem to sometimes help (moving dot usr files) but it didn't.  I
> suspect that Legacy can actually handle the file no problem if I could
> only get it imported.  If I had a method of splitting the gedcom into
> smaller pieces, I suspect I could work around this.  But the only
> thing I've seen that will split GEDCOMs is GenSplit (or something
> like) which doesn't actually seem to exist any more.

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RE: [LegacyUG] Suggestions wanted please: How to enter "boarder"

2007-10-06 Thread Janis Gilmore

I think I would enter two individuals, not attached to anyone, in my
database: David Williams (with the appropriate age data etc) and David
Kaspar (entering same).  A "Note" event in each file saying "David Williams
is likely to be the same individual as David Kaspar (RIN)" and adding your
reasoning in believing so. Enter the census data for David Williams as his,
then enter the census data for David Kaspar in the David Williams file as an
event called "Possible census."

 

The thing to remember, is that when you look at your index, to find someone,
or match people, you want to give yourself every opportunity to find what
you are looking for. 

 

I agree - these two entries probably represent the same person. But in
serious research, take nothing for granted. Let it ride under both scenarios
until you get more info that leads you to a well-reasoned hypothesis in one
direction or the other.

 

My 2 cents (shrinking).

Janis

 

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cary
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 7:27 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Suggestions wanted please: How to enter "boarder"

 

This gets into the whole issue of who is a bone fide family member.  If he
were only a boarder MY answer would be not to enter him at all.  It seems
likely from the little here that David Williams, still a boarder, was
wrongly listed in 1910 as a Kaspar.

 

Even if you are correct that David K and David W are the same person and he
really went by Kaspar later, don't assume there was either an adoption or a
formal name change unless you find proof.  If other records confirm a David
Kaspar who was in your family, then I would enter David Kaspar in Legacy,
and put all the info about David W in Notes because he's only possibly the
same person.  If you are more sure than you have explained, you could also
enter the 1910 Census as an Event saying he "appeared as" David Williams,
boarder. and enter an alias name.

 

 

 

Cary 

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Carneal USA
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 12:17 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Suggestions wanted please: How to enter "boarder"

 

I would appreciate some suggestions on how to enter a "boarder" into Legacy
so that a future reader can understand clearly it is not a bona fide family
member. Any suggestions? Here is what I know:

I changed the names, some descendants are kind of "touchy" about this.

William Kasper was born 1847. Married Kathy Anderson in 1865, he was 18, she
was 17.
First child came less than a year later. Second child a little more than a
year later.
Sometime between 1900 and 1910, they allowed a boarder into their home. He
was 13. This boarder's name was David Williams. The 1910 census lists him as
age 16, and lists him as a boarder.
1920 Census shows "David" as David Kasper, boarder. He is 23. I feel that
David Kasper is David Williams.

Apparently they did not adopt at first. They must have at some point if he
changed his last name, though.

My question: How would I best enter a "boarder" into Legacy? Just show a
copy of the census?

Thanks.

Robert

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RE: [LegacyUG] Please take it off list -- IT'S A LEGITMATE QUERY, FOLKS!

2007-10-06 Thread Janis Gilmore

Stacey,

Thank you for your cogent email. I have been on Legacy for perhaps around 2
years, after several years on The Master Genealogist.

I still think that TMG is a great program, and my reasons for switching have
not too much to do with the value of the two programs - they are both quite
good. 

The one thing that has stumped me a bit is the tone of this list as compared
with the tone of the TMG list (clever, funny, and kind). I choose to
attribute that difference to the presence of three or four individuals, and
I choose to exercise my Delete button diligently when they arise. 

There are, I should point out, some smart fabulous wonderful people on this
list. Let's build on that. We all need this venue to share and
problem-solve.

Stay with us.

Janis

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Connella
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 1:26 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Please take it off list -- IT'S A LEGITMATE QUERY,
FOLKS!

I certainly hope the petty arguments I see on in this list aren't
representative of all the Legacy users. I'm currently evaluating Legacy
against RootsMagic after 15 years on FTM. All things being equal between the
two (i.e., same number of pros and cons, and neither being lacking in any
key features I consider to be essential to my style of research), I must say
that the tone of this thread is enough to be the tie-breaker (in favor of
RM3).




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[LegacyUG] Unique Events you have made


Just to add a bit of levity here...

How many of you have made unique events?

Like I have one that I created called "Jail" where I logged the jail 
time that one of my ancestors spent in jail.  I have another called 
"Prison" and one called "Moonshine"


(My family was intwined with the capones)

Allen



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[LegacyUG] names in italics

2007-10-06 Thread Lisa Davis

I'm a new Legacy user and have noticed some of the names I imported are
italicized.  Do you know why that happened and how do I go about changing
it?

 

Thanks!

~Lisa





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Re: [LegacyUG] GEDSplit

2007-10-06 Thread Mary Fowler Leek

Thank you, John, for providing access to these extremely well written and 
helpful utilities. I registered my copies of his software with him and used it 
for several years. I'm so pleased to have the chance to archive these helpful 
little utilities. Thank you for making them available for this limited time.

Mary


|I found copies of GEDSplit, GEDLiving95 (to remove details on living
| people), and Gedcaps95 (to change capitalization) tucked away in a far
| corner of my hard drive.
| 
| These programs are all shareware by Randy Winch ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and I
| think registration is $10 per program (see the nag screens in the programs
| - some have email, some have snail mail).
| 
| Since the original download site is no longer operational (I downloaded my
| copies in March 2006), I'll put the unregistered versions up on my site
| for a few days for those who are interested.
| 
| The links are:
| http://www.jecarter.us/files/GEDSplit.exe
| http://www.jecarter.us/files/GEDLivng95.exe
| http://www.jecarter.us/files/Gedcaps95.exe
| 
| John




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Re: [LegacyUG] names in italics

2007-10-06 Thread Susan Daily

Do they have a gender associated with them? They might not, which
makes them stand out. (This is customizable in options.)

Susan

On 10/6/07, Lisa Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm a new Legacy user and have noticed some of the names I imported are
> italicized.  Do you know why that happened and how do I go about changing
> it?
>



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Re: [LegacyUG] Suggestions wanted please: How to enter "boarder"

I don't know about other places but in my area, and really in much of the
south, this was a common practice.  Having been in the real estate and
auction business for 30 years, I have run across many cases where tenants or
boarders have recieved title to the property fee simple, when the owner
passed away.

I think we should mention them in the notes when we find them in census
reports, or other documentable (is that a word?) sources.

Thanks for the topic.


On 10/6/07, Jack Earnshaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  I would not include a visitor, boarder, lodger etc as a person in Legacy
> unless there was an indication, at least, that he was a family member. It's
> too easy already to wander off into the in laws of the in laws of a distant
> cousin without adding their friends as well.
>
>
>
> BUT, and it is a big but, I would add somebody who appears to be a
> relative, even though I don't yet have enough proof.
>
>
>
> It is quite possible that David Williams / Kasper is a grandson – an
> illegitimate son of one of their daughters. What I would do would be to add
> him as an additional son (or possibly the son of an additional unnamed
> daughter) and explain in the notes that there is currently no evidence to
> prove one way or the other whether this person is related. The events that
> allow his inclusion are the 1910 and 1920 censuses and they should be
> clearly stated so there is no confusion as to why this person was included.
> I would also add a "to do" to search for and obtain his birth certificate
> etc to confirm, or otherwise, the supposition that he is a blood relative.
>
>
>
> This doesn't  mean that all boarders should be entered into the system as
> most are just that, boarders. But when a person is included with two
> different surnames the chances are that a cover up is taking place and that
> there is a real likelihood that the person is related. Before you do add
> him, is there a David Kasper, aged about 13, on the 1910 census or aged
> about 3 on the 1900 census?
>
>
>
> Remember, it is easier to delete somebody later when the proof is found,
> than to add somebody when you can't remember the earlier facts that you had
> found.
>
>
>
> Jack
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Robert Carneal
> USA
> *Sent:* 06 October 2007 06:17
> *To:* LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> *Subject:* [LegacyUG] Suggestions wanted please: How to enter "boarder"
>
>
>
> I would appreciate some suggestions on how to enter a "boarder" into
> Legacy so that a future reader can understand clearly it is not a bona fide
> family member. Any suggestions? Here is what I know:
>
> I changed the names, some descendants are kind of "touchy" about this.
>
> William Kasper was born 1847. Married Kathy Anderson in 1865, he was 18,
> she was 17.
> First child came less than a year later. Second child a little more than a
> year later.
> Sometime between 1900 and 1910, they allowed a boarder into their home. He
> was 13. This boarder's name was David Williams. The 1910 census lists him as
> age 16, and lists him as a boarder.
> 1920 Census shows "David" as David Kasper, boarder. He is 23. I feel that
> David Kasper is David Williams.
>
> Apparently they did not adopt at first. They must have at some point if he
> changed his last name, though.
>
> My question: How would I best enter a "boarder" into Legacy? Just show a
> copy of the census?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Robert
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[LegacyUG] Custom Events for boarder


I would create a Custom event called "Boarder"

And would use the verbage...

He/She had a boarder, [Desc] in his/her household during the [Date] 
census, [inPlace].[Source]  [Notes]






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Re: [LegacyUG] Suggestions wanted please: How to enter "boarder"

2007-10-06 Thread Quest

In the Legacy Training CD regarding how to deal with Census Entries, it is 
suggested that you list someone who is not obviously a family member as a 
"New Unlinked Individual" (under the ADD tab on the toolbar).  That way, if 
the surname happens to pop up again in your research as a family member, you 
will have recorded the existence of that surname as having lived with the 
family in a particular census.  This happened with one of the surnames I 
found listed as a lodger.  The person, it turns out, was really the brother 
of the wife of the head of household, even though he was listed as a lodger. 
I did not know her surname at first, but later found out.


Karima


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From: Janis Gilmore

To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 2:31 PM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Suggestions wanted please: How to enter "boarder"


I think I would enter two individuals, not attached to anyone, in my 
database: David Williams (with the appropriate age data etc) and David 
Kaspar (entering same).  A "Note" event in each file saying "David Williams 
is likely to be the same individual as David Kaspar (RIN)" and adding your 
reasoning in believing so. Enter the census data for David Williams as his, 
then enter the census data for David Kaspar in the David Williams file as an 
event called "Possible census."


The thing to remember, is that when you look at your index, to find someone, 
or match people, you want to give yourself every opportunity to find what 
you are looking for.


I agree - these two entries probably represent the same person. But in 
serious research, take nothing for granted. Let it ride under both scenarios 
until you get more info that leads you to a well-reasoned hypothesis in one 
direction or the other.




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RE: [LegacyUG] Foster children


Marriage Events

Think of them as Family Events rather than Wedding Events.

If a couple fostered a child, make sure the child is linked to the 
couple. Rather than to just the mother.
You can then have the child in the regular family with status Foster 
child OR you can have a "double marriage" for the couple with the 
change in wording suggested before so that after the biological 
children you get a new header with

John fostered a child with Mary.
This is preferable as Child Status too easily gets lost as it's left 
out of a report or not copied and that's misleading.


Cathy

At 10:31 PM 6/10/2007, you wrote:


I have a question related to this and to census. There are events for
husband and events for wife but is there any way to list shared events like
vacations, foster children, census where all the members of the family
were involved or events where husband and wife were involved?  It is tedious
to add the same event to every single person's file in the family and then
it prints out ten times??

Thanks,
Carol





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[LegacyUG] topics for the Legacy list

2007-10-06 Thread Janis Gilmore

I echo the sentiments of those who do not believe that a few easily-upset
list members should dictate the tone of the list. The atmosphere that is
created on this list will to some extent dictate what market segment the
software attracts. 

 

The more "thinking" folk should be made more welcome.

(I have no same-sex relationships, or adoptions, in my family (oddly). I am
not expressing my views on anything in a moral way - just expressing my
views on the software discussion list.)

 

Janis





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Re: [LegacyUG] Please take it off list -- IT'S A LEGITMATE QUERY, FOLKS!

2007-10-06 Thread marilyn E B

I was not going to add more flame to the fire after the fuel I added
to genealogy versus
family history.

However, I think the Legacy Staff needs to know that the attitude and
words of some on
this group are driving potential users away. A friend who I share the
highs and lows of
searches for family with, had downloaded the standard version on her
old computer and
was contemplating purchasing the Deluxe Version: therefore I
recommended this list
to her. After a few months she unsubscribed and reverted to her second
choice. If you are asking why, here it is: the attitudes, words, and
close mindedness of list members.
She said they have tolerance in their list of how to handle matters on
list but it seems the only tolerance is if you say and do it their
way. So she is going with Roots Magic.

If there are those that certain things are an abomination then just
delete those conversations and do not go there. If you are only
searching and recording direct
blood lines use and read only what pertains to those needs. However if
you are like
a majority of those doing research today and want to have the full
picture to pass on
to your family and descendants then you are going to need answers to
many questions.

Maybe a good rule of thumb for all members would be to follow what one
of my grandmothers often told me, "If you can not say anything nice
then do not say anything at all", and just delete you way out of the
thread.

Marilyn

On 10/6/07, Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Stacey,
>
> You have expressed it better than anyone else has.  I, too, want ONLY to
> know the best way to handle it.  But I dare never ask.  I went to the
> archives.  However, I find it just as absurd and ridiculous that we cant
> discuss the best way to make an entry of any relationship in our families.
> ALL families have them whether people know or want to know or not.
>
> I am sick and tired of the fact that every time a new person comes onto the
> list and asks how to record it, every one gets up in arms.  They didn't
> state a belief against it or for it.
>
> I have used Legacy for several years and am now comtemplating leaving it.
> I'm not contemplating it based on the topic or the fact that someone asks a
> legitimate question of how to best record a relationship in his or her
> family.  NO.  I am contemplating it based on the fact that the Legacy
> administrators would rather ban a topic of legitimate discussion than to
> tell those that get up in arms not read a topic they don't like.  No one has
> to open a message if they don't like the topic. That is simple enough. As
> you said, how many times does the topic of adoption or foster children, etc
> come up and there is heated debate but, admin sits silent?
>
> I hope the Legacy admin will take a look at this again and take a different
> approach.  Rather than ban a topic because someone doesn't like it, help
> with the discussion and tell those that don't like it that they don't have
> to read it.
>
> What about all the abortions that occur in your families?  How do you record
> them?  Since many believe that life begins at conception, do you record the
> child and the date of their murder and the name of the murderer?
>
> I am still curious about the best way to record my own relationship of 15
> years, but I will go to the archives..again.
>
>
> --
> Paul
>
> "What a glorious world God Almighty has given us. How thankless and
> ungrateful we are, and how we labor to mar His gifts." ~ Gen. Robert E. Lee,
> CSA
>
> Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Please take it off list -- IT'S A LEGITMATE QUERY,
> FOLKS!
>
>
> As long is this list is not restricted exclusively to Legacy users who are
> rigidly academic genealogical purists, the subject is without question a
> legitimate one. It could even be argued that it's extremely relevant to pure
> genealogy, as well. After all, if homosexuality is ever proven to be
> genetically determined, one might expect future members of their blood line
> to find it helpful to to know whether it "runs in the family".
>
> People simply want to know the best way of documenting these relationships
> in their family
> histories and/or how to process them specifically with their Legacy
> software. There is nothing about the decision to include this subject in
> their histories that is any more wrong or offensive than any other of the
> other non-mainstream events that come up.
> (I'm guessing most of these might be similarly offensive to those who
> have a moral objection to homosexuality; if so, I'd be curious to know how
> they deal with these *problems* in their family trees.)
>
> As far as
> I can see, the only reason the discussion goes on and on and on and on is
> because users feel compelled to respond with their opinions on (1) the
> appropriateness or inappropriateness of same sex relationships, (2) whether
> it's right or wrong for Legacy not to revise its code in order to more
> easily deal with these relationships, or, (3) most frequently, whethe

RE: [LegacyUG] GEDSplit

2007-10-06 Thread Wally Zittle

That was great info.  Now I have several GedComs I would like to combine
without duplicates.  They are large and have several overlaps.  Is there a
way to do it?  (My first post to this board.)

Wally

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Carter
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 1:56 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] GEDSplit

I found copies of GEDSplit, GEDLiving95 (to remove details on living
people), and Gedcaps95 (to change capitalization) tucked away in a far
corner of my hard drive.

These programs are all shareware by Randy Winch ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and I
think registration is $10 per program (see the nag screens in the programs
- some have email, some have snail mail).

Since the original download site is no longer operational (I downloaded my
copies in March 2006), I'll put the unregistered versions up on my site
for a few days for those who are interested.

The links are:
http://www.jecarter.us/files/GEDSplit.exe
http://www.jecarter.us/files/GEDLivng95.exe
http://www.jecarter.us/files/Gedcaps95.exe

John




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Re: [LegacyUG] Please take it off list -- IT'S A LEGITMATE QUERY, FOLKS!

2007-10-06 Thread Sara Binkley Tarpley

I unsubscribed from this list, the most unpleasant one that I have
ever been on, last night; but evidently the process didn't work.  I
have already thanked Stacey privately for the message.

It seems to me that it would be very simple to allow discussions of
how to enter same-sex relationships, adoptions, etc., into Legacy
software and to ban discussions of whether such relationships and
events should be recognized in genealogy or whether they are moral.
If someone veered from discussion of methodology into discussion of
propriety, then the moderators could issue a warning to that person.

Sara

On 10/6/07, Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Stacey,
>
> You have expressed it better than anyone else has.  I, too, want ONLY to
> know the best way to handle it.  But I dare never ask.  I went to the
> archives.  However, I find it just as absurd and ridiculous that we cant
> discuss the best way to make an entry of any relationship in our families.
> ALL families have them whether people know or want to know or not.
>
> I am sick and tired of the fact that every time a new person comes onto the
> list and asks how to record it, every one gets up in arms.  They didn't
> state a belief against it or for it.
>
> I have used Legacy for several years and am now comtemplating leaving it.
> I'm not contemplating it based on the topic or the fact that someone asks a
> legitimate question of how to best record a relationship in his or her
> family.  NO.  I am contemplating it based on the fact that the Legacy
> administrators would rather ban a topic of legitimate discussion than to
> tell those that get up in arms not read a topic they don't like.  No one has
> to open a message if they don't like the topic. That is simple enough. As
> you said, how many times does the topic of adoption or foster children, etc
> come up and there is heated debate but, admin sits silent?
>
> I hope the Legacy admin will take a look at this again and take a different
> approach.  Rather than ban a topic because someone doesn't like it, help
> with the discussion and tell those that don't like it that they don't have
> to read it.
>
> What about all the abortions that occur in your families?  How do you record
> them?  Since many believe that life begins at conception, do you record the
> child and the date of their murder and the name of the murderer?
>
> I am still curious about the best way to record my own relationship of 15
> years, but I will go to the archives..again.
>
>
> --
> Paul
>
> "What a glorious world God Almighty has given us. How thankless and
> ungrateful we are, and how we labor to mar His gifts." ~ Gen. Robert E. Lee,
> CSA
>



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Re: [LegacyUG] Please take it off list

The Master Genealogist works great.

On 10/6/07, Allen Prunty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Jim...
>
> If this is the official word from Legacy Technical support and the
> company then I can assume that we will never see this support in the
> software in the future.  There are several very public messages today
> that indicate that there are some of us who need this... granted we
> don't always agree with it the need is there.
>
> I, as a long time paying customer, feel very slighted in being silenced
> over a real issue because some have their own personal agendas of what
> is correct and proper in procedure and what is moral in their eyes.
>
> It is my hopes that as a moderator you can keep the topic on the issue
> and not let it degrade into a discussion on how immoral or wrong this
> is.  Whether we agree if it is immoral or moral we still have it going
> on in our family.  It probably has repeated before... there are many old
> "spinsters" who had no children and unmarried men in the past.  Things
> were not as open before and God forbid if it is genetic it could help
> future generations.
>
> If this is Legacy's official stance then I guess I can abandon hope that
> it will ever have this functionality... now I am asking you as a
> technical support representative... how can I best prepare my datafile
> to import into another genealogy software?  Perhaps it's time to look
> elsewhere.
>
> Allen
>
> Jim Terry wrote:
> > Dear Listers:
> >
> > I have had numerous requests today to ban the subject of same-sex
> marriages.
> > Because several people are getting upset again, please take this subject
> off
> > list.  LUG subscribers are free to exchange e-mail messages between
> > themselves, or they may join the RootsWeb mailing list for Legacy Family
> > Tree at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/LEGACY.html and
> carry
> > on the discussion there.
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > Jim Terry
> > Technical Support
> > Legacy Family Tree
>
>
>
>
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RE: [LegacyUG] names in italics

2007-10-06 Thread Mike

Lisa,

 

Italicized names indicate that the sex of the person is unknown.

 

Also, posts to this list should be made in plain text, not HTML.

 

Mike

 

 

I'm a new Legacy user and have noticed some of the names I imported are
italicized.  Do you know why that happened and how do I go about changing
it?

 

Thanks!

~Lisa





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RE: [LegacyUG] Please take it off list

2007-10-06 Thread Paul

I already downloaded it and I guess it is time to start the learning curve I
hear about and compare it to Legacy, even though I know it is probably
inferior.

 

-- 

Paul

 

"What a glorious world God Almighty has given us. How thankless and
ungrateful we are, and how we labor to mar His gifts." ~ Gen. Robert E. Lee,
CSA

  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 5:02 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Please take it off list

 

The Master Genealogist works great.

 





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Re: [LegacyUG] Please take it off list

2007-10-06 Thread TH

Excellent point, Allen. I told Jim privately last night that I thought it
would be a good idea for Legacy to either say that they were intending to
fix the problem or they weren't intending to fix the problem and then,
depending on the answer to that, people ought to be allowed to discuss ways
around the current lack of recognition of same-sex partnerships, and there
are probably many ways to do this which would prove satisfactory to the many
who need this kind of technical help. Morality and immorality are definitely
off-topic subjects for this gourp.

Thad


On 10/6/07, Allen Prunty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Jim...
>
> If this is the official word from Legacy Technical support and the
> company then I can assume that we will never see this support in the
> software in the future.  There are several very public messages today
> that indicate that there are some of us who need this... granted we
> don't always agree with it the need is there.
>
> I, as a long time paying customer, feel very slighted in being silenced
> over a real issue because some have their own personal agendas of what
> is correct and proper in procedure and what is moral in their eyes.
>
> It is my hopes that as a moderator you can keep the topic on the issue
> and not let it degrade into a discussion on how immoral or wrong this
> is.  Whether we agree if it is immoral or moral we still have it going
> on in our family.  It probably has repeated before... there are many old
> "spinsters" who had no children and unmarried men in the past.  Things
> were not as open before and God forbid if it is genetic it could help
> future generations.
>
> If this is Legacy's official stance then I guess I can abandon hope that
> it will ever have this functionality... now I am asking you as a
> technical support representative... how can I best prepare my datafile
> to import into another genealogy software?  Perhaps it's time to look
> elsewhere.
>
> Allen
>
> Jim Terry wrote:
> > Dear Listers:
> >
> > I have had numerous requests today to ban the subject of same-sex
> marriages.
> > Because several people are getting upset again, please take this subject
> off
> > list.  LUG subscribers are free to exchange e-mail messages between
> > themselves, or they may join the RootsWeb mailing list for Legacy Family
> > Tree at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/LEGACY.html and
> carry
> > on the discussion there.
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > Jim Terry
> > Technical Support
> > Legacy Family Tree
>
>
>
>
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>
>


-- 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Please take it off list -- IT'S A LEGITMATE QUERY, FOLKS!

2007-10-06 Thread ETM

The list is most likely on auto-pilot until people
return from the cruise.

Elaine


> I unsubscribed from this list, the most
> unpleasant one that I have
> ever been on, last night; but evidently the process didn't work.  I
> have already thanked Stacey privately for the message.

> It seems to me that it would be very simple to allow discussions of
> how to enter same-sex relationships, adoptions, etc., into Legacy
> software and to ban discussions of whether such relationships and
> events should be recognized in genealogy or whether they are moral.
> If someone veered from discussion of
> methodology into discussion of
> propriety, then the moderators could issue a warning to that person.






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Re: [LegacyUG] Please take it off list -- IT'S A LEGITMATE QUERY, FOLKS!

2007-10-06 Thread Elaine O'Neill

I wholeheartedly agree with both Janis and Stacey.  I think if the
members of the list could be relied on to discuss "hot button" topics
calmly and without prejudice the list moderators would have no need to
feel that some subjects should be banned.

Personally, I welcome a reasonable discussion of this topic. My eldest
son is gay. And although he has, for want of a better word, boyfriend,
I'm not yet at the point that I want to enter the boyfriend in the
program. Not because I'm against the relationship, I'm not, but
because, to the best of my knowledge it is not yet a "committed"
relationship.  If and when it becomes one, then I do need to know how
to handle it within Legacy.

So thank you to everyone who is able to discuss this without getting upset.

Elaine in the Beautiful Missouri Ozarks.
On 10/6/07, Janis Gilmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Stacey,
>
> Thank you for your cogent email. I have been on Legacy for perhaps around 2
> years, after several years on The Master Genealogist.
>
>
> There are, I should point out, some smart fabulous wonderful people on this
> list. Let's build on that. We all need this venue to share and
> problem-solve.
>
> Stay with us.
>
> Janis
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stacey
> Connella
> Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 1:26 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Please take it off list -- IT'S A LEGITMATE QUERY,
> FOLKS!
>
> I certainly hope the petty arguments I see on in this list aren't
> representative of all the Legacy users. I'm currently evaluating Legacy
> against RootsMagic after 15 years on FTM. All things being equal between the
> two (i.e., same number of pros and cons, and neither being lacking in any
> key features I consider to be essential to my style of research), I must say
> that the tone of this thread is enough to be the tie-breaker (in favor of
> RM3).

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Re: [LegacyUG] Suggestions wanted please: How to enter "boarder"

2007-10-06 Thread ETM

All of my father's brothers were listed as
boarders at the family address.  I assume it meant
they had all reached majority, were working, but
were still living at home and may well have been
paying their mom and dad for room and board.  Who
knows what entered the mind of the enumerator when
he said boarder.  Son would have been easier to
write down on that sheet than boarder .

My father was married and living away from the
family address.  I knew all my uncles as a child.
There is no mistaking who the "boarders" on the
census sheet are, they have the same surname as
their parents.

Elaine


> In the Legacy Training CD regarding how to deal
> with Census Entries, it is 
> suggested that you list someone who is not
> obviously a family member as a 
> "New Unlinked Individual" (under the ADD tab on
> the toolbar).  That way, if 
> the surname happens to pop up again in your
> research as a family member, you 
> will have recorded the existence of that
> surname as having lived with the 
> family in a particular census.  This happened
> with one of the surnames I 
> found listed as a lodger.  The person, it turns
> out, was really the brother 
> of the wife of the head of household, even
> though he was listed as a lodger. 
> I did not know her surname at first, but later found out.

> Karima







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Re: [LegacyUG] Unique Events you have made

2007-10-06 Thread Mary Young

My special event (it may not be unique!) is "Married from". It shows
the exact address shown on the marriage registration, plus an
explanatory note, e.g. "parental home" "both parties in same lodgings
to fulfil residence requirement" etc.
-- 
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Re: [LegacyUG] GEDSplit

2007-10-06 Thread agh3rd

Randy is with Ancestry- programs the gedcom and tree area I think. He 
can be found on their message boards.




-Original Message-
From: John Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 3:56 pm
Subject: [LegacyUG] GEDSplit



I found copies of GEDSplit, GEDLiving95 (to remove details on living
people), and Gedcaps95 (to change capitalization) tucked away in a far
corner of my hard drive.

These programs are all shareware by Randy Winch ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and I
think registration is $10 per program (see the nag screens in the 
programs

- some have email, some have snail mail).

Since the original download site is no longer operational (I downloaded 
my

copies in March 2006), I'll put the unregistered versions up on my site
for a few days for those who are interested.

The links are:
http://www.jecarter.us/files/GEDSplit.exe
http://www.jecarter.us/files/GEDLivng95.exe
http://www.jecarter.us/files/Gedcaps95.exe

John




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Re: [LegacyUG] Please take it off list -- IT'S A LEGITMATE QUERY, FOLKS!

2007-10-06 Thread ETM

I am neither a fan of TMG nor of its users (didn't
think they were cute, witty and kind, thought they
were a bit pompous and self-impressed), but that
isn't the topic here.

TMG costs money, big money.  Legacy has a free
version and a paid version.  Those who use the
free are not locked out of this mailing list.
Those who bought the paid version also are here.

Maybe free and paid should be separated.

Elaine

> Stacey,

> Thank you for your cogent email. I have been on
> Legacy for perhaps around 2
> years, after several years on The Master Genealogist.

> I still think that TMG is a great program, and
> my reasons for switching have
> not too much to do with the value of the two
> programs - they are both quite
> good. 

> The one thing that has stumped me a bit is the
> tone of this list as compared
> with the tone of the TMG list (clever, funny, and kind). I choose to
> attribute that difference to the presence of
> three or four individuals, and
> I choose to exercise my Delete button
> diligently when they arise. 

> There are, I should point out, some smart
> fabulous wonderful people on this
> list. Let's build on that. We all need this venue to share and
> problem-solve.

> Stay with us.






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Re: [LegacyUG] Please take it off list -- IT'S A LEGITMATE QUERY, FOLKS!

2007-10-06 Thread Elizabeth Cunningham

This is a very sound and well reasoned response. (Please don't judge
the quality of the program by the responses on this topic!) I feel
sorry in this context for people with real problems -- like the person
who wrote that they had 3 same-sex marriages in the family and how
should they record them? This is a reality outside the morality of the
issue. We have a relative (born 1896!) who was the result of a rape.
Because rape is abhorrent, should we ignore the relative? I would hope
we could discuss the problems involved, not the morality.

Elizabeth C

Stacey Connella wrote:

I certainly hope the petty arguments I see on in this list aren't
representative of all the Legacy users. I'm currently evaluating Legacy against
RootsMagic after 15 years on FTM. All things being equal between the two (i.e.,
same number of pros and cons, and neither being lacking in any key features I
consider to be essential to my style of research), I must say that the tone of
this thread is enough to be the tie-breaker (in favor of RM3).

I find it astonishing that an obviously legitimate, family history subject should be
banned. Note, I said family history, not genealogy. Let's face it... the vast majority of
people working on family trees, are NOT engaged in academic genealogy of a purist nature.
They are recording everything they find to be relevant to their family's history,
everything that might be potentially meaningful to future generations. This type of
research and documentation is much more about family relationships than blood lines. As
long is this list is not restricted exclusively to Legacy users who are rigidly academic
genealogical purists, the subject is without question a legitimate one. It could even be
argued that it's extremely relevant to pure genealogy, as well. After all, if
homosexuality is ever proven to be genetically determined, one might expect future
members of their blood line to find it helpful to to know whether it "runs in the
family".

I've only been on list a few weeks, but nearly every time I've seen the topic
raised, it's been in a process-related vein. People simply want to know the
best way of documenting these relationships in their family histories and/or
how to process them specifically with their Legacy software. There is nothing
about the decision to include this subject in their histories that is any more
wrong or offensive than any other of the other non-mainstream events that come
up -- things like children born out of wedlock, philandering, insanity, murder,
mixed race relationships, and so on. (I'm guessing most of these might be
similarly offensive to those who have a moral objection to homosexuality; if
so, I'd be curious to know how they deal with these *problems* in their family
trees.)

Granted, users SHOULD search the archives before posting any query, but the reality is that they often don't. Or, if they do, perhaps they fail to find the previous discussions of a topic. So, when a repeat query is posted, why can't somebody simply reply with the link? This POLITELY and helpfully provides the desired assistance, AND effectively ends the thread. As far as I can see, the only reason the discussion goes on and on and on and on is because users feel compelled to respond with their opinions on (1) the appropriateness or inappropriateness of same sex relationships, (2) whether it's right or wrong for Legacy not to revise its code in order to more easily deal with these relationships, or, (3) most frequently, whether the query should even be posed in the first place. This final response always seems to be based on the argument that too many people are offended by the topic, or that it's genealogically inappropriate to record such relationships.

I see similarly heated responses to other subjects, especially adoption. So why has this volatile subject not been banned?

Bottom line: These argumentative, critical, complaining, arrogant responses are counterproductive, and FAR more offensive than the subject originally raised. The purpose of the list is to HELP each other, not tear everyone down. So, if somebody asks for help, it seems that a bunch of supposedly grown people could choose to either do so, or to ignore the subject, just as they do with virtually every other topic raised.

Sorry to have written a dissertation, but this whole thing just strikes me as
not only absurd, but utterly childish.

Stacey

P.S.
For the record, I am not homosexual, insane, adopted, or any of the other
things discussed. Some of these do occur in my family. For that matter, they
probably occur to one degree or another in almost all families. A fact is a
fact whether I record it or not. Since I engage in genealogy out of a great
love of history, research, my heritage, my children, and the pursuit of
knowledge, it's not for me to *edit* or censor the facts. If it's reality,
whether it's good or bad, a source of pride or embarrassment, interesting or

RE: [LegacyUG] Foster children

2007-10-06 Thread Stacey Connella

Carol, I haven't yet begun dealing with this in Legacy as I am still
evaluating the software. However, over my many years as a user of FTM, I
have tended to record "family" data in the "marriages" area, usually as
notes (given FTM's severe sourcing and events limitations). 

It's not ideal, but I've done it because it keeps the information as close
as possible to the members of an immediate family. Since I'm pretty
consistent about doing it that way, I'm usually able to find what I need
fairly quickly. 

Besides, it indulges my lazier side, allowing me to avoid recording the same
fact on 10, 15, 20 or more individuals... 
;-)

I'm sure there are better ways of handling it, and my review of this list
tells me that, when used as designed, Legacy's sourcing will permit multiple
references to information without having it print multiple times. So I'm
hoping to use this design feature to help me with family-related events. 

My evaluation of non-FTM platforms continues, and this is one of my
"hotlist" considerations.

Good luck!
Stacey. 

-Original Message-
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of familyjesse
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 7:32 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Foster children

I have a question related to this and to census. There are events for
husband and events for wife but is there any way to list shared events like
vacations, foster children, census where all the members of the family
were involved or events where husband and wife were involved?  It is tedious
to add the same event to every single person's file in the family and then
it prints out ten times??

Thanks,
Carol

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cathy
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 9:52 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Foster children

Hi Tracy,

When you link the foster child, you link to a new relationship so you 
set special sentence structures in the Marriage Information screen.
instead of "had a relationship" try "fostered a child"
Check the didn't marry check box as well so that these options are used.

Sorry - writing from memory and there may be a couple of other things 
so read each screen carefully and then check a book report and see 
whether it reads OK.

You also need to right click on the foster child when he's in Family 
View as a child and go into Children's Settings. There you can set 
Parent Child relationships and Child status.
You then need to choose to include these on Reports.

Cathy

At 12:07 PM 6/10/2007, you wrote:

>Hi Listers
>I prefer the family history view of the world, I've got heaps of yyy
>begat zzz, which are easy to add to the file.  What about foster
>children?  I've got a cousin and in my family's view he is very much a
>member of the family even with no biological ties, he became part of
>the family originally as a foster child.  How can I add him in to the
>file?  If I link him to my aunt, the reports come up with the sentence
>aaa had a relationship and had a child bbb. Where do I change his
>status to foster child?
>Cheers
>Tracy

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RE: [LegacyUG] Please take it off list -- IT'S A LEGITMATE QUERY, FOLKS!

2007-10-06 Thread James HILLS Jr.

Maybe we should ask ourselved do we record genealogy or do we record family 
history.  I do believe that these are two entirely different subjects.
!!
   
  Jim Hills
  Houston TX

Janis Gilmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Stacey,

Thank you for your cogent email. I have been on Legacy for perhaps around 2
years, after several years on The Master Genealogist.

I still think that TMG is a great program, and my reasons for switching have
not too much to do with the value of the two programs - they are both quite
good. 

The one thing that has stumped me a bit is the tone of this list as compared
with the tone of the TMG list (clever, funny, and kind). I choose to
attribute that difference to the presence of three or four individuals, and
I choose to exercise my Delete button diligently when they arise. 

There are, I should point out, some smart fabulous wonderful people on this
list. Let's build on that. We all need this venue to share and
problem-solve.

Stay with us.

Janis

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Connella
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To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Please take it off list -- IT'S A LEGITMATE QUERY,
FOLKS!

I certainly hope the petty arguments I see on in this list aren't
representative of all the Legacy users. I'm currently evaluating Legacy
against RootsMagic after 15 years on FTM. All things being equal between the
two (i.e., same number of pros and cons, and neither being lacking in any
key features I consider to be essential to my style of research), I must say
that the tone of this thread is enough to be the tie-breaker (in favor of
RM3).




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Re: [LegacyUG] Please take it off list

2007-10-06 Thread Anne Hildrum

People I guess handle same sex marriages different ways.
Since I haven't so far found 2 marrying that both are related to me,
I just make the one related to me the right sex, and the other one
ends up with the wrong sex. I then make a comment that the person is 
male/female
but Legacy can't handle it. That way when I am making a report, I just find 
those if any
and make the necessary changes there. Of course this will be a problem if 
both are related to me,

but luckily that hasn't happened so far.

Anne

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From: "TH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 12:52 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Please take it off list

Excellent point, Allen. I told Jim privately last night that I thought it
would be a good idea for Legacy to either say that they were intending to
fix the problem or they weren't intending to fix the problem and then,
depending on the answer to that, people ought to be allowed to discuss 
ways

around the current lack of recognition of same-sex partnerships, and there
are probably many ways to do this which would prove satisfactory to the 
many
who need this kind of technical help. Morality and immorality are 
definitely

off-topic subjects for this gourp.

Thad

On 10/6/07, Allen Prunty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Jim...

If this is the official word from Legacy Technical support and the
company then I can assume that we will never see this support in the
software in the future.  There are several very public messages today
that indicate that there are some of us who need this... granted we
don't always agree with it the need is there.

I, as a long time paying customer, feel very slighted in being silenced
over a real issue because some have their own personal agendas of what
is correct and proper in procedure and what is moral in their eyes.

It is my hopes that as a moderator you can keep the topic on the issue
and not let it degrade into a discussion on how immoral or wrong this
is.  Whether we agree if it is immoral or moral we still have it going
on in our family.  It probably has repeated before... there are many old
"spinsters" who had no children and unmarried men in the past.  Things
were not as open before and God forbid if it is genetic it could help
future generations.

If this is Legacy's official stance then I guess I can abandon hope that
it will ever have this functionality... now I am asking you as a
technical support representative... how can I best prepare my datafile
to import into another genealogy software?  Perhaps it's time to look
elsewhere.

Allen

Jim Terry wrote:
> Dear Listers:
>
> I have had numerous requests today to ban the subject of same-sex
marriages.
> Because several people are getting upset again, please take this 
> subject

off
> list.  LUG subscribers are free to exchange e-mail messages between
> themselves, or they may join the RootsWeb mailing list for Legacy 
> Family

> Tree at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/LEGACY.html and
carry
> on the discussion there.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Jim Terry
> Technical Support
> Legacy Family Tree

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Re: [LegacyUG] Unique Events you have made

2007-10-06 Thread marilyn E B

Allen,

How do you handle the "jail" issue, actually mine was "workhouse"  and
then there would be "moonshine" that contributed to the workhouse.
Then I also have the problem
that the family members were scattered all over that census year. Well
one son was
also in the workhouse with his father. Various family members have
verified that they not only made the moonshine, they ran the
moonshine. I do not think any of these folks
were aligned with anyone as infamous as Capone, this was just their
way of making a
living.

Smiles,
Marilyn

On 10/6/07, Allen Prunty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Just to add a bit of levity here...
>
> How many of you have made unique events?
>
> Like I have one that I created called "Jail" where I logged the jail
> time that one of my ancestors spent in jail.  I have another called
> "Prison" and one called "Moonshine"
>
> (My family was intwined with the capones)
>
> Allen
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] names in italics

I have one or two of those in my file too, Lisa.  I've tried to figure out
how to change it and how it got there.  Someone will tell us soon I suspect.

Thank you,

Jim


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>  I'm a new Legacy user and have noticed some of the names I imported are
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> it?
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> ~Lisa
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Re: [LegacyUG] Please take it off list

2007-10-06 Thread agh3rd


Paul, try not to pre-judge it.

The learning curve can be as easy or as difficult as one wishes to make 
it, depending primarily on how and how many of the advanced features 
one uses. It isn't so much "can I do" but rather "which way should 
I ...". The customization and flexibility of the program are unique in 
the industry. There are almost always at least four different ways to 
do something. If you need any help the people on the mailing list and 
the forum are great and there is a once a month online chat with the 
CEO of the company where any question is welcome.


I'm not affiliated with the company- just a user.


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I already downloaded it and I guess it is time to start the learning 
curve I hear about and compare it to Legacy, even though I know it is 
probably inferior.


 


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Paul

 

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ungrateful we are, and how we labor to mar His gifts." ~ Gen. Robert E. 
Lee, CSA







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The Master Genealogist works great.

 


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Re: [LegacyUG] same sex relationships

2007-10-06 Thread TH

At least we see where you stand. I suspected it was a rigid Legacy
policy. So the bigots win again.

On 10/6/07, Sherry/Support <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The problem is not the topic of how to enter same-sex relationships per
> se.
> The problem is that this topic gets very heated amongst the users so we
> have
> asked that it not be discussed and questions about how to handle these
> relationships be researched in the archives.
>
> If people could sanely discuss the question about how to handle same-sex
> relationships in Legacy and not start spouting personal beliefs one way or
> the other, there wouldn't be a problem.
>
> The whole thing is getting rather tiresome, quite frankly.
>
> The programmers have said in the past that when they started Legacy, they
> never considered same-sex relationships.  Ken wrote in part "Adding same
> sex
> marriages at this time is simply a change that we feel would require
> considerable programming time and would rip the guts out a huge percentage
> of our core code base.  We could add some patch style work-around but the
> program would suffer greatly in processing speed in many areas"
>
> It has nothing to do with Millennia "being adult about the real world".
>
> Thanks for using Legacy.
>
> Sherry
> Customer Support
> Millennia Corporation
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>
> We are changing the world of genealogy!
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> When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence.
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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack
> Earnshaw
> Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 2:29 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] same sex relationships
>
> I agree it is a real issue. The software, and the list, permits discussion
> on entering data for adoptions (not genealogy), illegitimacy/the milkman
> (genealogy, not family history), incest (genealogy), pets (m). So why
> is
> this one specific subject so hard to bear.
>
> In the UK it is now legal for two people of the same sex to get married
> (it's called a civil partnership) and as much as I might abhor the concept
> it is a matter of the law saying it is legitimate. Science is advancing
> rapidly, although held back by politicians. It cannot be many years until
> it
> is physically possible for two people of the same sex to create a
> biological
> child.
>
> Hence I don't understand why it is not possible for users to ask how to
> create a same sex marriage in Legacy. Other packages do allow it and so,
> unless Millennia grows up and decides to be adult about the real world it
> will get left behind by other packages. Especially if every time the
> subject
> is aired the shutters go up and we are told to "shut up"
>
> Jack
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Re: [LegacyUG] Suggestions wanted please: How to enter "boarder"

2007-10-06 Thread Elaine O'Neill

This is a very interesting topic and I'm glad Robert brought it up.  I
have a couple of incidences where the family I'm researching seemed to
be operating a boarding house. Most names of the boarders are
unfamiliar to me, but there are a couple with same last name as this
family, and of the wife's maiden name. Now, if I were to create an
event, or enter the boarders as unlinked individuals, would I only
include the ones with names I know to be family names, or all of them,
or none of them?  They were Russian immigrants in the Pittsburgh,
Pennsylvania area and all the boarders were also Russian immigrants.
This was on the 1910 census. I can't find them in 1920, and 1930 they
are in Youngstown, Ohio with only immediate family.

Thank you for any suggestions.

Elaine in the Beautiful Missouri Ozarks



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Re: [LegacyUG] Please take it off list -- IT'S A LEGITMATE QUERY, FOLKS!

2007-10-06 Thread The Mathesons


Well put, Sara. My thoughts exactly.

Posts as to how to use Legacy to record these events are legitimate and "on 
Topic"


Posts/discussions as to the pros and cons of these events are "off Topic" 
and as such these discussions should be off list!!


Jennie Matheson

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To: 
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FOLKS!




I unsubscribed from this list, the most unpleasant one that I have
ever been on, last night; but evidently the process didn't work.  I
have already thanked Stacey privately for the message.

It seems to me that it would be very simple to allow discussions of
how to enter same-sex relationships, adoptions, etc., into Legacy
software and to ban discussions of whether such relationships and
events should be recognized in genealogy or whether they are moral.
If someone veered from discussion of methodology into discussion of
propriety, then the moderators could issue a warning to that person.

Sara

On 10/6/07, Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Stacey,

You have expressed it better than anyone else has.  I, too, want ONLY to
know the best way to handle it.  But I dare never ask.  I went to the
archives.  However, I find it just as absurd and ridiculous that we cant
discuss the best way to make an entry of any relationship in our 
families.

ALL families have them whether people know or want to know or not.

I am sick and tired of the fact that every time a new person comes onto 
the

list and asks how to record it, every one gets up in arms.  They didn't
state a belief against it or for it.

I have used Legacy for several years and am now comtemplating leaving it.
I'm not contemplating it based on the topic or the fact that someone asks 
a

legitimate question of how to best record a relationship in his or her
family.  NO.  I am contemplating it based on the fact that the Legacy
administrators would rather ban a topic of legitimate discussion than to
tell those that get up in arms not read a topic they don't like.  No one 
has

to open a message if they don't like the topic. That is simple enough. As
you said, how many times does the topic of adoption or foster children, 
etc

come up and there is heated debate but, admin sits silent?

I hope the Legacy admin will take a look at this again and take a 
different

approach.  Rather than ban a topic because someone doesn't like it, help
with the discussion and tell those that don't like it that they don't 
have

to read it.

What about all the abortions that occur in your families?  How do you 
record
them?  Since many believe that life begins at conception, do you record 
the

child and the date of their murder and the name of the murderer?

I am still curious about the best way to record my own relationship of 15
years, but I will go to the archives..again.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Please take it off list

2007-10-06 Thread Ron Bernier


Paul,

You might also want to take a look at Genbox.  Genbox does allow you to 
record all relationships not just what some developers have decided they 
will support.  With Genbox, I can record my 32 year relationship with my 
same sex partner.  Again, I point out that every time Legacy wants to 
avoid dealing with life situations, we get the old "It would take a full 
rewrite of the Program" mantra.  If the Legacy developers were serious 
about competing in the Genealogy Software market, they would stop making 
lame excuses and start rewriting the program.  Obviously they have 
chosen to cater to the minority.


Since I own Legacy Deluxe, TMG 6.12 and Genbox, I think the time has 
finally come to scrap Legacy and move on to a serious genealogy program.


Regards,
Ron Bernier

Paul wrote:


I already downloaded it and I guess it is time to start the learning 
curve I hear about and compare it to Legacy, even though I know it is 
probably inferior.


 


--

Paul

 

"What a glorious world God Almighty has given us. How thankless and 
ungrateful we are, and how we labor to mar His gifts." ~ Gen. Robert 
E. Lee, CSA




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RE: [LegacyUG] Please take it off list -- IT'S A LEGITMATE QUERY, FOLKS!

2007-10-06 Thread Dave

Maybe I'm missing something but I don't understand what there is to discuss.
It's been said many, many times that this list is only for discussion of the
Legacy software and its add-on's.Legacy Support has stated that it
currently isn't a feature, probably won't be for some time and has provided
a work-around.  What else is there to discuss?

Personally I subscribed to this list for its stated purpose - Legacy
software and its add-on's.I have no desire to hear the rest of it.  I
really don't care what anyone thinks of gay/lesbian, same sex marriage or
any other social issue.   There are plenty of other lists that are more than
willing to stray into every subject imaginable.   Take it there.

Dave

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Elaine
O'Neill
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 7:16 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Please take it off list -- IT'S A LEGITMATE QUERY,
FOLKS!

I wholeheartedly agree with both Janis and Stacey.  I think if the
members of the list could be relied on to discuss "hot button" topics
calmly and without prejudice the list moderators would have no need to
feel that some subjects should be banned.

Personally, I welcome a reasonable discussion of this topic. My eldest
son is gay. And although he has, for want of a better word, boyfriend,
I'm not yet at the point that I want to enter the boyfriend in the
program. Not because I'm against the relationship, I'm not, but
because, to the best of my knowledge it is not yet a "committed"
relationship.  If and when it becomes one, then I do need to know how
to handle it within Legacy.

So thank you to everyone who is able to discuss this without getting upset.

Elaine in the Beautiful Missouri Ozarks.
On 10/6/07, Janis Gilmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Stacey,
>
> Thank you for your cogent email. I have been on Legacy for perhaps around
2
> years, after several years on The Master Genealogist.
>
>
> There are, I should point out, some smart fabulous wonderful people on
this
> list. Let's build on that. We all need this venue to share and
> problem-solve.
>
> Stay with us.
>
> Janis
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stacey
> Connella
> Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 1:26 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Please take it off list -- IT'S A LEGITMATE QUERY,
> FOLKS!
>
> I certainly hope the petty arguments I see on in this list aren't
> representative of all the Legacy users. I'm currently evaluating Legacy
> against RootsMagic after 15 years on FTM. All things being equal between
the
> two (i.e., same number of pros and cons, and neither being lacking in any
> key features I consider to be essential to my style of research), I must
say
> that the tone of this thread is enough to be the tie-breaker (in favor of
> RM3).

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Re: [LegacyUG] Please take it off list -- IT'S A LEGITMATE QUERY, FOLKSsee note

2007-10-06 Thread ArnieAbr

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In a message dated 10/6/2007 7:28:30 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I wholeheartedly agree with both Janis and Stacey. I think if the
members of the list could be relied on to discuss "hot button" topics
calmly and without prejudice the list moderators would have no need to
feel that some subjects should be banned.

Personally, I welcome a reasonable discussion of this topic. My eldest
son is gay. And although he has, for want of a better word, boyfriend,
I'm not yet at the point that I want to enter the boyfriend in the
program. Not because I'm against the relationship, I'm not, but
because, to the best of my knowledge it is not yet a "committed"
relationship. If and when it becomes one, then I do need to know how
to handle it within Legacy.

So thank you to everyone who is able to discuss this without getting upset.

Elaine in the Beautiful Missouri Ozarks.
On 10/6/07, Janis Gilmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Stacey,

** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

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Re: [LegacyUG] source label color


Thanks, Kay, that was a big help.
--

Pat



From the Family View, I click as follows:

Options
Customize
Colors
At the Text Colors line, I click on contents, I choose purple, I click on 
Save in the lower left of the window.
But when I return to the family view all the text and field titles are black 
as usual.
Now if I add an ADDITIONAL source the titles will turn purple -- 
So what about all the thousands of facts I've already got sources for?  Are 
they just ignored??


You know I keep the Legacy Tips turned on and I must have seen some of the 
tips a 100 times but I don't EVER recall seeing this as a tip.


- Original Message - 
From: "Kay Fordham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] source label color



Pat:

From the Help File on Information Screen:

"Highlighted Field Titles

As you add source documentation to the pieces of information on the
screen, the title labels for those fields will be highlighted a different
color so that you can see at a glance which information is documented.
(See Customize - Colors for information on setting the highlight colors.)"

Therefore, go to Customize - Colors - Text Colors - Contents.  Change the
contents color to whatever you choose and save.

Kay Fordham

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To: 
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 8:35 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] source label color



From the Family View, I clicked on Customize, Colors, Contents, but I
don't see anything about sources.

Pat

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To: 
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 6:26 PM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] source label color



I remember that one. It's Colors tab, then contents.



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Re: [LegacyUG] Suggestions wanted please: How to enter "boarder"


Thank you, Jim!

- Original Message - 
From: "Jim Keener" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 2:44 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Suggestions wanted please: How to enter "boarder"



Pat, I believe that is the best suggestion I've seen so far.  Thanks!

On 10/6/07, Pat Hickin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


>I would appreciate some suggestions on how to enter a "boarder" into
> Legacy so that a future reader can understand clearly it is not a bona
> fide family member.

I'm not sure this is relevant to your particular issue, but I have an
event
entitled "Also living in household"
and then in description I put in the person's name, age, sex, race,
relationship (boarder, servant, cook, mother-in-law or whatever), and any
other info.  Mostly this comes from the census so for date I put in the
census year and for location whatever I can get from the census.  If the
person is a relative and hence in my database I go to his/her edit screen
and add the event "Living" and in Description "with son-in-law John Doe's
family" and give the date and location as above.

Pat

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To: 
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 1:16 AM
Subject: [LegacyUG] Suggestions wanted please: How to enter "boarder"


>I would appreciate some suggestions on how to enter a "boarder" into
> Legacy so that a future reader can understand clearly it is not a bona
> fide family member. Any suggestions? Here is what I know:
>
> I changed the names, some descendants are kind of "touchy" about this.
>
> William Kasper was born 1847. Married Kathy Anderson in 1865, he was 
> 18,

> she was 17.
> First child came less than a year later. Second child a little more 
> than

> a year later.
> Sometime between 1900 and 1910, they allowed a boarder into their home.
> He was 13. This boarder's name was David Williams. The 1910 census 
> lists

> him as age 16, and lists him as a boarder.
> 1920 Census shows "David" as David Kasper, boarder. He is 23. I feel
> that David Kasper is David Williams.
>
> Apparently they did not adopt at first. They must have at some point if
> he changed his last name, though.
>
> My question: How would I best enter a "boarder" into Legacy? Just show 
> a

> copy of the census?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Robert
>
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Foster children

2007-10-06 Thread Tracy Skegg

Thanks for the different views. My aunt was between partners when she
fostered this child, so I've ended up with a new relationship just to
add this cousin.

Carol - I think you are referring to witness events, at the moment
Legacy doesn't support this.  Check the archives there have been lots
of threads about witnesses, and it seems that most people use the
workaround of creating an event, copying it to the event clipboard and
pasting it to the various individuals who are included in the source -
such as census information.
Cheers
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Re: [LegacyUG] same sex relationships

2007-10-06 Thread Richard Hallford

Im from Australia. We too have same sex marriages well recognised. I bought
Legacy in Feb. The subsription will be due up next Feb. If the programmers
find this all too hard, and I can find another Geniology program that deals
with it, then there's no reason for me to stick with Legacy. I find it hard
to believe that well educated and trained programmers find this too hard to
do.

On 10/7/07, Sherry/Support <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The problem is not the topic of how to enter same-sex relationships per
> se.
> The problem is that this topic gets very heated amongst the users so we
> have
> asked that it not be discussed and questions about how to handle these
> relationships be researched in the archives.
>
> If people could sanely discuss the question about how to handle same-sex
> relationships in Legacy and not start spouting personal beliefs one way or
> the other, there wouldn't be a problem.
>
> The whole thing is getting rather tiresome, quite frankly.
>
> The programmers have said in the past that when they started Legacy, they
> never considered same-sex relationships.  Ken wrote in part "Adding same
> sex
> marriages at this time is simply a change that we feel would require
> considerable programming time and would rip the guts out a huge percentage
> of our core code base.  We could add some patch style work-around but the
> program would suffer greatly in processing speed in many areas"
>
> It has nothing to do with Millennia "being adult about the real world".
>
> Thanks for using Legacy.
>
> Sherry
> Customer Support
> Millennia Corporation
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com
>
> We are changing the world of genealogy!
>
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> Thanks.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack
> Earnshaw
> Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 2:29 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] same sex relationships
>
> I agree it is a real issue. The software, and the list, permits discussion
> on entering data for adoptions (not genealogy), illegitimacy/the milkman
> (genealogy, not family history), incest (genealogy), pets (m). So why
> is
> this one specific subject so hard to bear.
>
> In the UK it is now legal for two people of the same sex to get married
> (it's called a civil partnership) and as much as I might abhor the concept
> it is a matter of the law saying it is legitimate. Science is advancing
> rapidly, although held back by politicians. It cannot be many years until
> it
> is physically possible for two people of the same sex to create a
> biological
> child.
>
> Hence I don't understand why it is not possible for users to ask how to
> create a same sex marriage in Legacy. Other packages do allow it and so,
> unless Millennia grows up and decides to be adult about the real world it
> will get left behind by other packages. Especially if every time the
> subject
> is aired the shutters go up and we are told to "shut up"
>
> Jack
>
>
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Unique Events you have made

2007-10-06 Thread Tracy Skegg

I have added an event "Exemption from the Aboriginal Protection Act"
the proper name for the Act is "Aboriginal Protection and the
Restriction of the Sale of Opium Act 1897", I think its a very odd
name for an Act, so I just shorten it.

I've just noticed the "Physical description" event, never seen it
before, but was curious how people used it.  For my great grandmother
who was Aboriginal, one of her forms shows that she had a crooked
index finger on her right hand, this event would be a good place to
show this, I had it in general notes previously.
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RE: [LegacyUG] same sex relationships

2007-10-06 Thread Sherry/Support

Legacy doesn't have "subscriptions" that expire. When you purchase the
Deluxe Edition, it's good for the life of the version, with a discount on
the purchase price of the next version (as long as you don't skip versions).

Thanks for using Legacy.

Sherry
Customer Support
Millennia Corporation
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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We are changing the world of genealogy!

When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence.
Thanks.


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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard
Hallford
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 9:58 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] same sex relationships

Im from Australia. We too have same sex marriages well recognised. I bought
Legacy in Feb. The subsription will be due up next Feb. If the programmers
find this all too hard, and I can find another Geniology program that deals
with it, then there's no reason for me to stick with Legacy. I find it hard
to believe that well educated and trained programmers find this too hard to
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Re: [LegacyUG] same sex relationships

2007-10-06 Thread Richard Hallford

Sorry, your quite right, what I should have said was, the next upgrade I
have to pay for will be decision time to change to a program that can deal
with this issue.

On 10/7/07, Sherry/Support <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Legacy doesn't have "subscriptions" that expire. When you purchase the
> Deluxe Edition, it's good for the life of the version, with a discount on
> the purchase price of the next version (as long as you don't skip
> versions).
>
> Thanks for using Legacy.
>
> Sherry
> Customer Support
> Millennia Corporation
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com
>
> We are changing the world of genealogy!
>
> When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence.
> Thanks.
>
>
> Original Message-
>
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard
> Hallford
> Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 9:58 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] same sex relationships
>
> Im from Australia. We too have same sex marriages well recognised. I
> bought
> Legacy in Feb. The subsription will be due up next Feb. If the programmers
> find this all too hard, and I can find another Geniology program that
> deals
> with it, then there's no reason for me to stick with Legacy. I find it
> hard
> to believe that well educated and trained programmers find this too hard
> to
> do.
>
>
>
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