MD: Advertising on MD-L
From: "Peter Forest" [EMAIL PROTECTED] What do you think of this ? (snip) If this list becomes an advertising venue, I'm outta here, and I'm sure others feel the same way. I personally have no problem with you putting your Web site in the .sig file...but if the .sig file turns into "COME TO OUR SITE AND SEE THE COUPONS", that's advertising. I don't care about your coupons. I'm on this list to get MD related information, not ads. If there's an unusual bargain and someone UNRELATED TO THE COMPANY OR SITE wants to forward it to the list, that's another matter. Sorry, that's my two cents. You don't seem to "get it". Mike - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: Possibly the BEST reason to read the Digest
Possibly the BEST reason to read the Digest... It let's you read ALL the messages of the day before you reply ;-) For example, I had a couple nice, long, well-reasoned replies to some of the posts made on this whole topic, trying to be fair and rational. But before I sent them I finished reading my wonderful digest, and after seeing some of the later messages, I realized that this whole topic was becoming rather hilarious in its ridiculousness. So I deleted the messages. Gosh, maybe some good things come out of the digest after all vbg - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: MD Digest Mode
Hi everybody.. I am sorry.. I am pretty new on this mailinglist, and was wondering what this digest mode is..? What modes are there, and what are the differences..? Get your own free, private space on the Web at http://www.intranets.com. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: digest mode is annoying (md-l-mimedigest V2 #766)
Shawn Lin wrote: Digest Mode is annoying. At LEAST with commercial SPAM, I know what is in the body of the message by reading the subject. With a digest mode reply, I see "md-l-mimedigest V2 #766" as the subject. Digest subscribers who wish to post to the list should fix the subject so that it refers to the post they are replying to. It is simple list etiquette, and you are right to complain about it. Other lists that I subscribe to block any messages that have the equivalent of "md-l-mimedigest V2 #766" as the title. I routinely delete messages that have "md-l-mimedigest V2 #766" as the title, just as I always delete messages that start with "NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED". But there are good reasons for some people to prefer digest mode, and Michael Stouffs has listed some of them. I'm an immediate-mode subscriber to this list, but there are other lists where I choose digest mode. Digest mode serves a useful purpose. I think the best suggestion was to create a second list for advertising, and that those who wish to receive advertising subscribe to both lists. It is so easy to subscribe to another list and filter it wherever you want to that the only possible reason to object to this is if you are an advertiser who wants to reach people on *this* list. So why not have two lists, and let the advertisers promote the *other* list in their signatures (when they post non-commercial messages to this list). That way, new subscribers to this list will be made aware of the advertising list, and this list can focus on discussing MiniDisc. I'm giving it till the end of the week for the list to get back on topic. If not, I'll unsubscr!be. Gerry - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Digest mode vrs individual messages.
- I don't want to get 30 different mails at once when I get home at evening, I want the few mails of my friends, 1 or 2 MD-L digests and that's it. The less separate new mails I get, the happier I am. (Even if they get in different folders) My habit. one digest is about the same as 30 individual emails, so you aren't saving anything and youare depriving yourself of ways to handle the 30 emails because you can's sort a digest. What really gets me angry, is that you permit yourself to judge my habits. I suggest you to send some example of your everyday habits, and let us judge them, comment them, say how you can do better because of course WE know better. When I check my mail usually I see "4 mails left to download" when I haven't checked my mail in a whole day, what does it tell me? It tells me that I have a high probability that in those 4 mails there is: a high probability of 1-2 MD digest AND a high probability that some friend of mine has wrote to me. Conclusion: I know even before it has finished downloading, that some friend wrote me. Can't do that when I get "40 mails left to download". No big deal? Big deal TO ME. My habit. Dont need to have you commenting on that. You probably have it set up incorrectly. Check the previous post I made regarding how to do it with Eudora. Your previous post doesn't say anything about fetching mail that has already been filtered by another mailer. And don't bother looking for a solution (if there is one) to prove your point, I won't change to individual messages. If the individual MD messages are sorted into an MD folder, you can delete the entire contents of the md folder the same way you do a digest. You can also sort by subject, scan the subjects and delete No, I have to: go to the MD folder, select the messages I want to delete and then delete them. Can't be bothered. No big deal? Big deal to ME blabla everything you aren't interested in and save the 3 or 4 messages you are interested in to read later. You can't do that with a digest. I do not care about reading later, I want everything deleted. And dont want to bother taking the steps to do so. And if I didn't do that, I'd pretty soon have a huge stack of unread messages, and I don't want that. No one does want that. Well I WILL get such a stack, because I'm lazy person and it definitely will happen that I won't go in days to the MD folder. With individual messages, the mail program becomes your index. Again, I want to delete the thing with a touch of the Del key, no more steps. Oh and I know all of your arguments, yet I don't want to change. Other people have wrote that they subscribe to several mailing lists and use for each a different fetching mode, that obviously means that depending on the list, on the wish of the subscriber, one mode or the other is the one that suits their need. Are you that bright, that you can imagine ALL situations involving a digest? I play halflife, it happens often that I forget to close Eudora: with digest mode, there is little chance I start downloading one digest right when I'm playing since I only get 1 or 2 digest in 24 hours. With un-digested mode, there is GREAT chance that my mailer will start downloading 4 or 5 MD mails while I play, hence killing my ping and me by the same way. Please, STOP commenting our habits, you are *offending*. You look like my 14 yr old cousin who *absolutely* has to be right and *absolutely* won't admit he's wrong/partially wrong/a tad wrong/just a little bit wrong no matter what. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: MD Digest Mode
Ralph Reijs wrote: Hi everybody.. I am sorry.. I am pretty new on this mailinglist, and was wondering what this digest mode is..? What modes are there, and what are the differences..? With digest mode, you get one, or more emails a day with an index of subject lines with all the messages sent during the day, or the period of time the digest covers. You then have to read all the messages. If there is excessive quoting, a lot of messages that are not interesting to you, you still have to read them or at least scan through them to find the stuff you are interested in. With individual messages, the mail comes in to your mailbox as it arrives. You can set up folders in your eamiler program and filters that automatically move the MD mail to the MD folder when it comes in so it isn't with everything else in you inbox. When youwant to read the mail, you click on the md folder and the new messages are marked, as are any unread messages. You click on the subject bar in the mailer program and they are sorted according to the subject. click on Next and it will go to the first unread message. You read it and if it isn't of interest you can delete all the messages with that same subject line without reading them. You click on Next again to go to the next unread message. THere should be a web page set up with the informationa on how to set the different emailer pragrams to do this, but there isn't one that I know of. I sent some information on how to do it, I can send it again if need be. -- Jim Coon Not just another pretty mandolin picker. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If Gibson made cars, would they sound so sweet? My first web page http://www.tir.com/~liteways - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: digest mode is annoying (md-l-mimedigest V2 #766)
Shawn Lin wrote: I have to agree with Jim. Digest Mode is annoying. At LEAST with commercial SPAM, I know what is in the body of the message by reading the subject. With a digest mode reply, I see "md-l-mimedigest V2 #766" This is a real problem with digest mode. I delete a lot of email that the sender hasn't bothered to change the subject line to something meaningful. -- Jim Coon Not just another pretty mandolin picker. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If Gibson made cars, would they sound so sweet? My first web page http://www.tir.com/~liteways - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Digest mode vrs individual messages.
Michael Stouffs wrote: Please, STOP commenting our habits, you are *offending*. You look like my 14 yr old cousin who *absolutely* has to be right and *absolutely* won't admit he's wrong/partially wrong/a tad wrong/just a little bit wrong no matter what. You have never met me, how would you know what I look like? At least I don't stoop to personal attacks. I took the time to inform people how to use individual email to their advantage. Like the old saying goes, "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. -- Jim Coon Not just another pretty mandolin picker. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If Gibson made cars, would they sound so sweet? My first web page http://www.tir.com/~liteways - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Advertising on MD-L
I would agree, if he was constantly putting out messages with specific items for sale, or constant messages with things like "we've got the lowest prices around on x!". Simply pointing out where you can find coupons to get lower prices (and the gist of that seemed, to me, to be that the coupons were good on any items) doesn't seem as bad. This guy keeps scouring the area for ways to get discounts on things. It would seem to me that that's a bit of a good thing. I will agree that the coupon notes have been a bit on the voluminous side, lately, but like I said, at least the messages aren't hawking specific items for sale. I personally have no problem with you putting your Web site in the .sig file...but if the .sig file turns into "COME TO OUR SITE AND SEE THE COUPONS", that's advertising. I don't care about your coupons. I'm on this list to get MD related information, not ads. If there's an unusual bargain and someone UNRELATED TO THE COMPANY OR SITE wants to forward it to the list, that's another matter. Sorry, that's my two cents. You don't seem to "get it". Mike - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Digest mode vrs individual messages.
J. Coon wrote: Michael Stouffs wrote: Please, STOP commenting our habits, you are *offending*. You look like my 14 yr old cousin who *absolutely* has to be right and *absolutely* won't admit he's wrong/partially wrong/a tad wrong/just a little bit wrong no matter what. You have never met me, how would you know what I look like? At least I don't stoop to personal attacks. I took the time to inform people how to use individual email to their advantage. Like the old saying goes, "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. No, you don't stoop to personal attacks, you rather attack whole groups of people at once. Your courage is commendable. Your behavior is not, however. Several people took the time to explain to you that what works best for you, might not be the best solution for everyone. Yet you insist on shoving your viewpoint down other peoples' throats over and over again. Many have indicated that they do not wish to receive SPAM through the mailing list. Yet because *you* like receiving these messages, they are supposed to go out of their way to suit you. Lastly, you *again* insult the intelligence of a person who pointed out why (s)he prefers getting the digest by stating that (s)he must be doing something wrong if (s)he can't filter the messages in Eudora. Don't bother replying, you've been plonked. ,xtG .tsooJ -- Joost van de Griek Applications Developer Yacht ICT http://www.yachtgroup.com/ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Digest mode vrs individual messages.
Please, STOP commenting our habits, you are *offending*. You look like my 14 yr old cousin who *absolutely* has to be right and *absolutely* won't admit he's wrong/partially wrong/a tad wrong/just a little bit wrong no matter what. You have never met me, how would you know what I look like? At least I don't stoop to personal attacks. I took the time to inform people how to use individual email to their advantage. Like the old saying goes, "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. Ok I promise this is my last mail about this, we're starting to both spam and probably annoy people with our little "flames". Answer this question you still haven't answered to: Other people have wrote that they subscribe to several mailing lists and use for each a different fetching mode, that obviously means that depending on the list, on the wish of the subscriber, one mode or the other is the one that suits better a particular list. 2 possibilities: 1) they're stupid and they don't know how to set up individual mails fetching mode for all their mailing list. 2) depending on the amount of interest they have on the subject of the list, the amount of messages the list generates, the amount of their participation to the list, they prefer to have "digest mode" or "individual messages mode", both fitting different needs. So far, you're implying 1) that's why, oh surprise, you're getting personal attacks, because you're insulting our intelligence, and are "exasperatingaly" continuing to do so, hence me calling you a stubborn person. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Ban ???
At 19:39 09/25/2000, you wrote: I don't really understand why... Really Peter, stop it with this innocent playacting. 1- We still have this mailing list... I don't want to force people to subscribe to another one... 2- Kheops Minidisc has its own mailing list too, a lot of subscriber but reasons cut short Peter, which word are you having problems with? NONE OF THE ABOVE ARE FOR YOU TO CHOOSE OR DECIDE. few from me and a lot about THESE FAMOUS COUPONS !!! Half positive, Half negative... So, I consider that 50% of member appreciate the coupons... I don't know how you're getting 50/50.. I doubt anyone ELSE sees a 50/50 ratio. What do you think about this ??? BAD idea. Someone else even already went so far as to set up another mailing list for your deals already. Albert - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Ban ???
On Mon, Sep 25, 2000 at 07:39:53PM -0400, Peter Forest wrote: I just read all the previous message since the last few days... There was a few from me and a lot about THESE FAMOUS COUPONS !!! Half positive, Half negative... So, I consider that 50% of member appreciate the coupons... I'd be curious to know how many people have unsubscribed in the past week, versus the average for past weeks. There was a great idea : write a small subject in the header : MD Sale USA... A lot of people told it was a good idea... Also, most of the time, I will only let a small note a the end of my message. What do you think about this ??? I hate it. I don't want to receive any commercial mailings on a list. If I want to buy something, I'll do a web search or look on minidisc.org for vendors. The list is not here to provide a captive audience for marketers. I'm puzzled as to why it is that you have your own mailing list off your site, but you don't think people who want to buy from you would sign up for it? I've been silently deleting anything with Kheops in it for weeks now. It gets old! Laters, Brian -- The 21st century begins on January 1, 2001. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: No more mailing list ! Keep it simple please...
"Peter Forest" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't want and need another mailing list only for coupons... Understood -- you already have one on your web site. Someone else thought you were saying you didn't want to use a mailing list besides MD-L, but you meant you already had one of your own on your web site and didn't need the one they had set up. I understood. Also, I don't think that MD user of this list will want to subscribe to another list... But according to Jim, filtering message is incredibly easy. In fact, I think Jim posted instructions for several email clients. I wouldn't worry about inconveniencing people. If you are worrying about that... oh, never mind ;-) I will do the advertisement like everyone told me to do it... With a short title and a brief message with the coupons or discounts informations... Actually, only two people suggested that way, and it was only one of several alternative that were proposed. Many more people have said not to do it at all. If you want to post your ads, that is entirely your right, but if you're truly trying to listen to what people are saying, the majority of those who have voiced an opinion on the list are against posting the advertisements at all (and yes, it is the majority -- I counted grin) Another thing you should consider is the type of impression you are giving potential customers -- based on the feedback on the list, you're alienating a large number of people who might have otherwise purchased from you, simply because of your large number of commercial posts and your apparent unwillingness to use your own mailing list, that you have already set up, to post them. I have suggested a fair proposal, that would help everyone and inconvenience no one, several times. What is it that you don't like about that idea? (Honest question). - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: R900 Sound Quality
Last night I spent a couple of hours checking out the sound quality on my R900 and comparing it to my R50. To do this, I recorded "The throne room and end title" from the Star Wars suite digitally to a disc on the R50, then moved the disc to the R900 and recorded it again using standard stereo and LP2 modes. Then I listened to all 4 recordings through the R900 using my Sony NC10 earbuds. (The CD was played through the R900 with the R900 paused in record mode.) On a scale of 1-10 with the CD being placed at 10, this is how I would rank the sound quality of the various recordings: Recorded on R50: 9.5 R900 stereo: 9.8 R900 LP2: 9.2 I didn't specifically test the LP4 mode in this manner, but I have used it. I would probably rate it somewhere around 7.6. I should note that it took very, very careful listening with my eyes closed and as little outside noise as possible for me to be able to hear the differences between the 4 versions. I would say that under normal listening conditions there would be no detectable differences between the recordings. So does anybody know when Kenwood will be coming out with a car stereo that supports the LP modes? Ed "What the" Heckman [EMAIL PROTECTED] +--+ | Ultimately, the only power to which man should aspire is that| | which he exercises over himself. | |-- Elie Wiesel| | Memoirs: All Rivers Run to the Sea | +--+ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: R900 Sound Quality
Ed Heckman wrote: So does anybody know when Kenwood will be coming out with a car stereo that supports the LP modes? Kenwood? I wonder whether they will be coming out with another MD car stereo EVER. Guess I'm just getting discouraged because I noticed JVC dropped MD. Other companies like Clarion just carry over last year's MD players. You might have to import one from Japan to get a car deck that supports LP modes. Shawn 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: Digest version
Ok I'll post some of the reasons why I want the digest mode since you seem to have trouble accepting people might have different needs than yours: I've you are a webbased mail user, you don't have to stay online. That's the only reason i use the digest version... _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Sony MDX-C7900 death or common cold?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My wife has a Sony MDX-C7900 in-dash MiniDisc player in her car. We've not had any problems with it for the last couple of years, but lately, when we insert a disc, at least half of the time the player will audible try to read the disc for about ten seconds, then spit it out with "BLANK" in the display. On good discs, the player still reads for around seven seconds before playing sometimes. The problem is more or less random; I know it's not the MDs themselves (though some do seem to have a higher success rate that others). Is this indicative of something serious, or is it simple like needed the lens cleaned? I appreciate any help you can provide. J. C. R. Davis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Is it still under warenty? If so, bring it in for repair. I've had the same problem after one year of 'heavy' usage (say 30 000km). It stopped working a few weeks ago and I've brought it in for repairs. My best bet is that the laser is getting weak and goes eventually dead. Cheers, Ralph -- === Ralph SmeetsFunctional Verification Centre Of Competence - CMG Voice: (+33) (0)4 76 58 44 46 STMicroelectronics Fax:(+33) (0)4 76 58 40 11 5, chem de la Dhuy Mobile: (+33) (0)6 82 66 62 70 38240 MEYLAN E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FRANCE === "For millions of years, mankind lived just like the animals. Then something happened which unleashed the powers of our imagination: We learned to talk." -- Stephen Hawking, later used by Pink Floyd -- === - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: No more mailing list ! Keep it simple please...
Dan Frakes wrote: Another thing you should consider is the type of impression you are giving potential customers -- based on the feedback on the list, you're alienating a large number of people who might have otherwise purchased from you, simply because of your large number of commercial posts and your apparent unwillingness to use your own mailing list, that you have already set up, to post them. I think Dan is right, Peter.. I understand you would rather use your own mailinglist than the one I set up for you. All I did was try to help you, to prevent this from happening. Because when you look back on the discussion from the past week, I think you annoyed a lot of people that might have subscribed to your coupon list, and are now annoyed by the fact that you are trying to push it down their throats, and just want to ignore all this, and get back on topic. Some people gave you some ideas you could use, to keep every on your side. Please accept that some people just want to keep this list to what it was meant to be for when it wsa set up. Which is to provide a discussion forum on MiniDisc, and for newbies on MD (like myself..) to get some general information, and ask their questions.. Still Spam=Spam, and there are plenty of websites where you can subscribe yourself to commercially interesting mailinglist. I have not (yet) seen any list that provides information on coupons, and bargains etc.. So it would be a very good idea to start one, and once in a while advertise it here by putting it in your signature or something. I'd say to ban you from this list is a bit extreme, since you have the right to be on it as well. But this with the condition that you behave, not be rude, and very important; that you do not use this list for any other purpose than to discuss MiniDisc topics with other subscribers, and NOT to advertise for free in a big MD-community... IMHO this is where the border needs to be drawn, and if you live b these rules, no one will complain if they see an advertisement for your site or mailinglist once in a while.. Cheers, Ralph. Get your own free, private space on the Web at http://www.intranets.com. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: STOP IT
Everyone who is sending lots of posts to the list moaning about the advertising e-mails we keep getting ar being hypocrites (sp?) Can you please stop, and ony send MD related messages. I think you have got your point across that you don't want Peter Forest to send these messages. It has been said, and I think he has taken note. Now can we end tis pointless topic of conversation and start talking about Minidisc again?? That is all I am saying on this matter, as it is all I think needs to be said. If certain people still insist on posting lots of messages about the whole Kheops advertising, I may have to start ignoring their messages as well. Thank you Chris P.S - Some have said what Peter is sending is spam. It is not. Spam is unsolicited e-mail, the simple fact that you subscribed to this list means that it is not unsolicited, so don;t call it spam. The only reason I am saying this is to clear up a misunderstanding a lot of people have. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Digest mode vrs individual messages.
I'm sending a couple "technical" responses, since the topical responses seem to be irrelevant: one digest is about the same as 30 individual emails Not even close. Especially with short messages, thirty individual messages can be 20-25 times bigger in terms of message size than a single digest. Thirty messages take substantial more time to download, regardless of message size, than a single digest. And for those who pay their ISP per message (common in non-U.S. countries), thirty individual messages costs 30x more. - I sometimes check my mail with Pine when I'm at school, I don't want to have the messages I really care about (read: not-MD related) to be flooded in the MD messages. (set up filters? Eudora (at home) won't fetch the messages filtered by Pine in the Pine MD folder, I just checked that) You probably have it set up incorrectly. Check the previous post I made regarding how to do it with Eudora. *SIGH* He doesn't have it set up incorrectly. Pine is a terminal-based email program, but one that is estimated to be used by more people in the world than Eudora, since most academic and research institutions still allow every user to check their email using Pine. When you view messages in Pine, and file messages in Pine, they stay on the server -- they are not downloaded to a local machine. When you *file* messages in Pine to a Pine-based folder, they cannot be downloaded by ANY email client, because they are no longer in the POP queue. This is not a problem with Pine -- it is a *feature* designed to allow people to use Pine filters to pre-sort mail so that only certain messages are downloaded by their POP client. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: Lawyers, Discs and Money
Hi all, Some of you may know that I have a web site which shows folks how to dub MP3s from their Macintosh computers to MiniDisc. I've been getting a lot of e-mails from people who don't understand why they can't simply copy the MP3s to MD faster than real time, so I've put together a rather lengthy explanation. This "FAQ," which I've called "Lawyers, Discs and Money," goes into the historical, political and legal reasons why MD works the way it does. Anyway, I would appreciate it if you could look this over and offer comments, corrections or clarifications. Thanks much! The FAQ's URL: http://home.sprintmail.com/~dalegreer/Mac-MD/lawyers.html === Dale Greer Bored? Visit my web site and be bored some more. http://home.sprintmail.com/~dalegreer/MacMD.html - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: R900 Sound Quality
Thanks for the report Ed! I'm planning on using LP2 extensively when I receive my R900, so it's good to hear your take on it. Kenwood, of course, already has a micro system with LP. I vaguely remember that they update their car stereo range annually, so many the first quarter of next year. Or maybe watch the Japanese audio expo near year-end for announcements. I'm watching Kenwood very closely myself, but for a different reason. I think they're going separate ways with Sharp. Their home decks have often had Sony ATRAC. In general, the 'corporate' (signature?) sound of Kenwood is like a boomy (often better IMHO) version of Sony, rather than the sweeping, treble-strong sound of Sharps. Last year's DMC-L3/L5 had a chassis that looked identical to a Matsushita one (namely the Panasonic SJ-MJ75). And this year they have a MDLP product ready before Sharp. ...Just speculating. Leon Recorded on R50: 9.5 R900 stereo: 9.8 R900 LP2: 9.2 I didn't specifically test the LP4 mode in this manner, but I have used it. I would probably rate it somewhere around 7.6. I should note that it took very, very careful listening with my eyes closed and as little outside noise as possible for me to be able to hear the differences between the 4 versions. I would say that under normal listening conditions there would be no detectable differences between the recordings. So does anybody know when Kenwood will be coming out with a car stereo that supports the LP modes? - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: ADMIN: Discussion of coupons, etc
Dear all As has happened in the past, the amount of traffic on this list discussing the merits of a certain type of posting has exceeded the volume of the original posting which caused such discussion. I regret having to do this, but I am going to filter postings related to this topic until things die down a bit. For what it's worth (and returning to the original objection), I believe advertising postings are acceptable on the proviso that they are not generally intrusive and sensitive the main purpose of the list. I would happily consider regulating all advertising if I felt the bounds were being over-stepped by one or two commercial subscribers. So please, can everyone get back to the sort of discussions that normally prevail and the commercial organizations that provoked the debate might like to consider the reaction so far and reflect on their future use of what, by and large, is a useful resource. Thanks Nick (List Admin) -- Nick Perry | LONDON N1, UK | MiniDisc Community Pages | http://www.amulation.co.uk/ | http://www.minidisc.org/ | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Problem with recording from CD
=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === Nate, now I'm not sure who you are saying is not correct?? Me (Larry??) or Len? I don't see how you can say that I am not correct, because I am agreeing with what you just stated. Copies made on a computer do not have SCMS and you can make a copy of a copy of a copy. These are not really "copies" but "clones". If you copy a CD using a stand alone music only CD recorder, it is going to add SCMS to the copy so you can not make a copy from the copy. But when you make a "copy" from a computer CD writer, it is a "true copy" or clone in that it is exactly the same as the original with no SCMS. Larry Nathan White wrote: Hi, not correct. Computer CD recorders don't use SCMS, or it is turned off, or you can turn it off, not sure which. But that is because they are meant for Data. So the SCMS is set to unlimited copies. Kudos, Nathan White [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of las Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 3:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MD: Problem with recording from CD Len Moskowitz wrote: In general commercial CDs *are* SCMS encoded, but the way SCMS works is that you can make as many copies of the master as you like -- you can't make copies of copies. The original poster didn't say, but if he was trying to copy a CD that was itself a copy (say, a CD-R copy of a commercial CD), then SCMS would get in the way of further copies. It take it that this would not apply to copies of CDs made using a computer, CD ROM drive and CD writer? Is that correct? Larry - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: No more advertising... EVER !!!
I'm tired of all these messages so, YOU WIN ! You are right, there was too much message, too many people bored and tired of all these messages concerning coupons and deals ! So, it's over, I will not advertise for COUPONS here EVER ! I will not send either any DISCOUNTS or OFFERS ! For those who want to received these promotion, simply subscribe to my OWN MAILING LIST at www.kheopsminidisc.com (see in the middle of the first page). In the future, I will only give information about new products related to minidiscs. What I will do, is like in the past I will take several pictures and put a good description of each product on my website and from time to time, I will let you know a link to know more about some of our products. It will be only information page, only to let you see exactly what each product looks like before you buy it... I don't want that all of you here hate me and I want to provide a good service and bring pertinent information about all products we have in stock. Thanks a lot for all your messages, suggestions and support. I appology for all the trouble I made (consciously or not...) and I will be better; again sorry for all this ! Best Regards, Peter (is this signature below annoy you or it's ok ???) - For discounts, deals and coupons join our Mailing list (USA only) http://www.kheopsminidisc.com Some have said what Peter is sending is spam. It is not. Spam is unsolicited e-mail, the simple fact that you subscribed to this list means that it is not unsolicited, so don;t call it spam. The only reason I am saying this is to clear up a misunderstanding a lot of people have. Thanks Chris ! - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: monauralizing algorithms
Timothy Stockman wrote, | L+R/2 is almost universally used. FM broadcast is trasmitted this way for | compatibility with monaural receivers. The "mono" switch on preamplifiers | does this. However, this simple, almost universally used transformation | does not provide a perfect mono version of a stereo source. If that is not "perfect," then there must be some definition of perfection here. | The reason is that stereo channels add by *power* acoustically, ... Oh, that's the perfection we're seeking: averaging the power, ... | ... whereas the electrical sum L+R/2 adds by *voltage*. ... rather than the voltage. The sample amplitudes are voltages, right? And power is proportional to the square of the voltage, and volume proportional to the log of the power, right? | Therefore, when recordings mixed with prominent | material in the center of the sound image, such as vocals, bass, etc. are | electrically mixed to mono (L+R/2), the sounds in the center of the stereo | will be 3dB higher in the resultant mono mix compared with those at the left | or right edge (known in the recording industry as the "3dB center buildup"). 3 dB more volume means twice the power ... OK. | How to solve this? sqrt(L^2+R^2) is one method. This method would be | particluarly good for a DSP implementation. Where L=R, that will result in a 41% increase (as perhaps it should: it should seem louder to hear the same volume from both channels than to hear it from only one); yet I've been finding a decrease, which (L+R)/2 doesn't explain either. Also, sqrt(L^2+R^2) loses sign information [and so would my earlier thought about the geometric mean]. Again, I'm not sure which numbers we're dealing with there: amplitude? power? volume? Power would never be negative, so there is no sign information to worry about. That brings up another problem with using the geometric mean: silence in either channel would mute the other channel. The harmonic mean is also impossible, as it couldn't be calculated when one channel is silent. Maybe ... add the squares, take the square root of the sum, scale down to 70% (2^-.5) of the root, translate back to amplitude and figure out how to assign the signs ... but still, that's an ideal, and first I'd like to know what Sony decks cur- rently do so that we can cope with it. | Another method is to rotate the phase of the channels with an "all-pass" | filter so that they are 90 degrees apart and add in quadrature. This | method is better for an analog implementation. Sorry, the engineering concept of the rotation is over my head, and I've no idea at all of what adding "in quadrature" might mean. | I'd love to see a deck that implemented the first solution! The first solution you mentioned [(L+R)/2] or the first one you suggested [sqrt(L^2+R^2)]? Ah well, I'm just plain confused. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Ok I got another one, but again, MOVE FAST it won't las
Simon Gardner wrote: Then stop being lazy and demanding that a list should change purpose to suit _you_. It's significantly easier for you to subscribe to a new list than the "digest-regular then filtering" process that you expect all the digest readers to go through. The purpose of this list is to disseminate information about MD. As such, notice of sales or savings are part of it. Newcomers join the list to find out more about MD, where to buy it, and where to save money on it. MD should be promoted on one list, don't force newcomers to subscribe to this list and the list for each vendor that sells MD products. I have run into similar list problems several times before on other lists. They are always solved when people are informed on how to reduce the burden of list traffic using the folders and filters. Even if you don't set a filter to remove the "coupon" posts, just having all the MD stuff in one folder lets you sort according to subject line, by sender or by date and delete or ignore topics you aren't interested. -- Jim Coon Not just another pretty mandolin picker. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If Gibson made cars, would they sound so sweet? My first web page http://www.tir.com/~liteways - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: STOP IT
At the risk of angering you further, and incurring the wrath of your ignoring my messages from now on, I for one did not ask to receive these advertising messages (or, more accurately, I was not aware that this was a commercial list when I joined). Therefore I do consider them to be unsolicited, and as such, spam. P.S - Some have said what Peter is sending is spam. It is not. Spam is unsolicited e-mail, the simple fact that you subscribed to this list means that it is not unsolicited, so don;t call it spam. The only reason I am saying this is to clear up a misunderstanding a lot of people have. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: MiniDisc.org down?
WTF!? When did this happen? Everytime I try to access MiniDisc.org, I get a 404... Did I miss some announcement, or is this a temporary thing? ,xtG .tsooJ -- Joost van de Griek Applications Developer Yacht ICT http://www.yachtgroup.com/ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: Ok I got another one, but again, MOVE FAST it won't las
Why can you not accept that some people, who are aware of the advantages and disadvantages of each method, prefer to receive the digest version of the list? Jim Coon wrote: I have run into similar list problems several times before on other lists. They are always solved when people are informed on how to reduce the burden of list traffic using the folders and filters. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Sony MDX-C7900 death or common cold?
"J. C. R. Davis" wrote: My wife has a Sony MDX-C7900 in-dash MiniDisc player in her car. We've not had any problems with it for the last couple of years, but lately, when we insert a disc, at least half of the time the player will audible try to read the disc for about ten seconds, then spit it out with "BLANK" in the display. On good discs, the player still reads for around seven seconds before playing sometimes. I think Ralph is right on the money. Your MDX is dying/dead. I would get it fixed, and then try to dump it on Ebay for more than its worth, and buy a new one. Why? Because after I got my MDX-400 repaired (optical block replaced), it died TWO MORE TIMES, but repaired under the 30- (or was it 90?) day repair warranty. I dumped it real quickly. Funny thing too... the CD changer I had repaired by Sony is exhibiting the same symptoms again. I hate to say it, but Sony repair techs are incompetent. So, if I were you, I'd get it fixed and then GET RID OF IT!!! Shawn 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Digest mode vrs individual messages.
"J. van de Griek" wrote: No, you don't stoop to personal attacks, you rather attack whole groups of people at once. Your courage is commendable. Your behavior is not, however. I attacked no one. I merrily attempted to explain the virtues of individual posts, and how to set up filters for anyone that cared to try it out. I you don't want to hear about it, just delete the message and stop trying to convince me that I am wrong. I have never been a customer of Kheops but I still think it is important that some of the list members are able to save their hard earned cash and all I have to do is put up with a little irrelevant email. -- Jim Coon Not just another pretty mandolin picker. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If Gibson made cars, would they sound so sweet? My first web page http://www.tir.com/~liteways - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: coupons
Shawn, what ever happened to your MD price page?? I know that it was a lot of hard work, but it was s great!!! Regards, Larry - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: coupons
las wrote: Shawn, what ever happened to your MD price page?? I know that it was a lot of hard work, but it was s great!!! It was the greatest thing since toast -- Jim Coon Not just another pretty mandolin picker. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If Gibson made cars, would they sound so sweet? My first web page http://www.tir.com/~liteways - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: coupons
las wrote: Shawn, what ever happened to your MD price page?? I know that it was a lot of hard work, but it was s great!!! Larry, It was too much work! My #1 interest has always been automobiles, so I've been spending a lot of time on my car pages and automotive message boards. As a result, I haven't had time to update the MD page. I hate to admit it, but my interest in MD has also waned a little since there hasn't been anything new and exciting in the world of MD car audio (which was my primary interest). In fact, the world of MD car audio is kind of disappointing lately. If I knew anything about programming, I'd love to write an auto updating Price Watch page. Vendors enter their info and their lowest price, and the page automatically generates an HTML table with all the vendors and their prices allowing sort options like "Sort by Price". Shawn 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: MZ-R90 Charging Weirdness
Hi, When I try to charge the battery (the supplied NH-14WM) the display flashes, "CHARGING" but stops after 5-10 min. and goes blank. Is it still charging? I suspect not, but maybe I'm confused. And no, the battery is not fully charged . . . when I insert a disc and fire it up, the battery indicator is very low. This is the black Japan model. The AC adaptor is 100V I think, I am in Canada, where the outlet is rated at 120V. This could be a problem? This is happening at home and at work. Help! Thanks, Nathan White [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: Those MD boomboxes - why isn't anyone bothering to release them to Australia?
Hi everyone, especially those who live in Australia! One issue that I find very perplexing regarding the MiniDisc format in Australia is why aren't manufacturers releasing MD boomboxes into the Australian market? The only MD boombox released in Australia so far has been the JVC "bazooka-style" CD-MD-radio unit -- a very large unit for that market segment. Manufacturers could give the same old excuses like the weakening Australian dollar or the market's too small; but why can't they try to release some of these units into our market just to see if it is really worth it. The boombox is still considered a very important product segment in the Australian market because of its outdoor lifestyle. These units don't even have to be battery-operated just to prove their worth in the Australian outdoor culture. All that is required of them is to be a single-box unit that is carried out to the backyard, plugged into the mains (whether into the nearest power outlet or via an extension cord) and used to play music or sports broadcasts as part of hte backyard activities like a barbecue; outdoor playtime or even "handyman" work in the backyard. In some cases, I have seen boomboxes and transistor radios perched on windowsills; with the speakers facing the backyard (where the action is); and if the window is an awning or casement type, the window leaf is closed just enough to stop the boombox or radio falling out. Judging from a barbecue that I attended last Saturday where a CD boombox was set up on a laundry windowsill with the speakers facing the backyard, this unit's deep design made it very stable in this situation. It may be also true of the US, where there is still an outdoor culture, but few MD boomboxes exist in that country. I hope manufacturers and equipment retailers wake up and realise that they still need to keep interest in that product segment in those countries where the outdoor lifestyle matters. With regards, Simon Mackay - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: sharp mz 60=radio is BAD
hi--I do a lot of radio listening and the sharp mz 60 (large MD CD TAPE radio boombox) has an odd little wire antenna like thing for FM which keeps cutting in and out. Most boomboxes are equipped wtih an antenna which can be raised or rotated. Am I missing something? Susan Please reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Susan and the Wolves of Suffern, Cory at the Bridge ICQ #17750260 alternate email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] SPRAY NO LIST Post message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List owner: [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL to this page: http://www.egroups.com/group/sprayno - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: md/puter
=== The original message was multipart MIME=== === All non-text parts (attachments) have been removed === Hey all, this is on topic with md's and sound cards so hopefully this = will be a welcome topic. anyway i recently decided i had to upgrade my = computer so i was looking at mb ideas, i ran across gigabyte's GA-6VXD7, = a dual socket 370 mb, well anyway when ordered it, they didn't say = anything about audio coming on board, so when i got it and saw that it = was there i was more than a little disappointed that it was there i = would rather use my own sound card. anyway i started reading the = manual(which is normally a mistake but in this case turned out to be = good) anyway when i got to the audio portion i was very very very happy = to learn that it has a MD optical out on it very similar to that of MD = portables. anyway i set it up and it worked great and i saved a pci = slot. anyway if anyone is looking to upgrade thier computer and is = looking for a nice MB upgrade with optical out, i found it to be = affordable, stable so far and working pretty well, btw fast too with = dual cpu's. anyway i just thought that someone might wanna know about = this option for recording to MD's from thier computer and are looking to = upgrade here too. === MIME part removed : text/html; === - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
