Re: [MBZ] The Laffer curve
The Laffer Curve is a brilliant economic theory which makes total sense. Unfortunately, I have never seen anyone who can definitely put empirical data on it, or scale the axes with any certainty. I do not understand anyone can completely blame the federal debt on Democrats. Under Reagan, the FD rose from approximately $900 billion to approximately $2.8 trillion...that's about 211%. And I liked Reagan and voted for him twice, but lets keep our eye on the FACTS here. Here is a short video that explains what happened since 2001 (the last year we had a budget surplus): http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/economy/news/2012/10/24/42577/video-where-did-the-debt-come-from/ Jon On Nov 10, 2012, at 8:43 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: Just as in the '60s part of it was not to get into a war where we weren't wanted, weren't needed and didn't have any exit strategy. Worse this time because we already were in a war where we didn't have an exit strategy. We could have been done with Afghanistan years earlier if we hadn't taken our eyes off the ball. Oh and trying to pay for it all with emergency budgets was treasonous. -Curt Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 11:06:13 -0600 From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] The Laffer curve Message-ID: 2054fe58-e296-45c9-8ff5-eb020a1ea...@earthlink.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes The current situation is exactly what you get when you reduce income and go on a borrowing spree. The correct thing to have done in 2001 is to have let interest rates stay where they were -- the Wall Street panic was just that and ddin't need intervention, just a swift kick in the pants -- and to RAISE tax rates to pay for the 2 trillion dollar a year war we've been in since 2003. Same thing as the 60's --- not a single dime in added taxes for the East Asian Police Action, with the result that the economy when over the cliff in about 1968. This is as reliable as sunrise, and anyone who says different is blowing smoke. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The Laffer curve
When I lived in Canada, the Reform Party handed out a flier with a graph of the national debt vs time and party. I think I kept it, but it's buried in all the junk in the basement I've not looked at in years, but I'll describe it. When the Liberals/Labour/New Democrats were in power, the debt shrunk (basically the same party, names change). When the Tories were in power, the debt grew exponentially. Why? Tories always cut taxes, spent huge sums of money on stupid things (like advertising for a proposed Constitutional Amendment that would give Quebec MORE money and less taxes). Buying lots of military stuff from the US was popular too. This is also true in the US -- debt almost always explodes when the Republicans are in power and falls when Democrats are. The stock market does much better under Democrats, too, on average (although that's not such a tight correlation). I've decided that the radial right has fully absorbed the lessons from 1984 -- they use every expression in the OPPOSITE manner. When they say my opponent is lying it means they are, etc. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Made it to SC
Start simple/cheap and work toward complex/expensive. Problems which present during a long drive are generally fuel/fuel leak related. DV o-ring leaks are visible/easy to spot. I'd start with fresh fuel filters and valve adjustment. If the primer pump is original and leaks when you operate it, replace that. Fuel return lines leaking? They'll be wet to the touch. Injectors which have more than 100k miles are suspect. Air filter clogged? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote: Back home now. Ran the old Benz 12 hours straight through from NC to NY. 70-85mph most of the way. Running pretty rough and noisy at idle now with straight ulsd in the tank. I pushed her pretty hard up around 90 for 2 hours and when I stopped she was down a quart of oil and running VERY rough. I figure I have probably destroyed the DV O rings with the veggie oil/ulsd combo she eats. Never did get time to adjust valves before I left either. This messed up knee makes everything take way too long. So I will be tinkering around with it over the next few days now that I don't have to worry about an 1800 mile road trip. I will be sure to report back on what I find. Otherwise the car ran pretty well. Had to replace the ages old battery in SC when it completely refused to do anything. Burnt through 2.5 quarts of oil over the trip, I figure that's not bad as hard as it got run. I wouldn't dare beat many much newer cars like this old 30 year old Benz. No less than 70mph for a full tank of fuel with the old NA gears was pretty hard on it. I am going to grab a diff out of an 85 for long trips in the future seeing it only takes a couple hours to swap out on my buddies lift. Anyway, I am whipped. Have a good night All. Mike On Nov 10, 2012 9:40 AM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote: He says to tell all of you thank you for the best wishes and all and that he is glad to be of service to Our Country! Mike On Nov 9, 2012 4:30 PM, clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote: Congratulations to your new Marine clay On Nov 9, 2012, at 8:30 AM, Michael Canfield wrote: Our son is now officially a Marine! We are leaving the post soon. Would be nice to get together for a late lunch/picnic or the like. Don't have a whole lot of time to get back home but we could make a short sidetrip to put faces with a couple names from the list. My cel is 607-339-9387. Mike On Nov 9, 2012 8:59 AM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Also very appropriate weekend, Veterans day and all. Best wishes and thanks to all fellow vets. Mike, Rich, any chance of mini-list-get-together? I'll have to apply for kitchen pass from COMHOMECHUCK (Commander, Home in Charleston, aka SWMBO, for the acronym-challenged). -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote: Well, the old 300d made it to Parris Island to pick up our new Marine! Happy about the car, ecstatic about seeing Cody graduate tomorrow! We are soo proud! He just offered to buy all of us lunch for the first time ever! Wow! Later, Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Made it to SC
Hi Max, Nice to get a call from you the other day. Wish we had more time to play so we could have gotten together. Had to change the small filter on the road. Does not miss a beat at high rpm/ high fuel demand uphill 80mph runs so it is not a clogged filter. I see no air bubbles in the clear lines and my primer pump has been replaced with the newer style and is in good working order so air leak is not likely in this case. Return lines are the oem cloth covered line and are dry as a bone. Have not pulled one off yet to see of they are coming apart inside. Like you said, I will start simple and get the valves done as soon as I get a chance. It has been a bit of a bear to start in the cold as well so probably on the right track there. Injectors are suspect as well as it has seen a lot of miles with waste veggie oil on what I assume to be untouched factory original injectors. As the odometer quit working shortly after I bought the car @ 114k miles I am estimating it has between 135 and 140k on it now so it is probably a good time for a rebuild or at least cleaning. Maybe I should give it a Diesel-purge treatment before I go too far. I also need to rework my wvo setup so it isn't heating the fuel when running straight ulsd, that will help a lot I think. Going to have to replace the starter, again. Had to convince it to work with a BFH a few times to get home. On another note, the tach worked for about 5 miles over the course of the trip..lol. Mike On Nov 11, 2012 8:28 AM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Start simple/cheap and work toward complex/expensive. Problems which present during a long drive are generally fuel/fuel leak related. DV o-ring leaks are visible/easy to spot. I'd start with fresh fuel filters and valve adjustment. If the primer pump is original and leaks when you operate it, replace that. Fuel return lines leaking? They'll be wet to the touch. Injectors which have more than 100k miles are suspect. Air filter clogged? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote: Back home now. Ran the old Benz 12 hours straight through from NC to NY. 70-85mph most of the way. Running pretty rough and noisy at idle now with straight ulsd in the tank. I pushed her pretty hard up around 90 for 2 hours and when I stopped she was down a quart of oil and running VERY rough. I figure I have probably destroyed the DV O rings with the veggie oil/ulsd combo she eats. Never did get time to adjust valves before I left either. This messed up knee makes everything take way too long. So I will be tinkering around with it over the next few days now that I don't have to worry about an 1800 mile road trip. I will be sure to report back on what I find. Otherwise the car ran pretty well. Had to replace the ages old battery in SC when it completely refused to do anything. Burnt through 2.5 quarts of oil over the trip, I figure that's not bad as hard as it got run. I wouldn't dare beat many much newer cars like this old 30 year old Benz. No less than 70mph for a full tank of fuel with the old NA gears was pretty hard on it. I am going to grab a diff out of an 85 for long trips in the future seeing it only takes a couple hours to swap out on my buddies lift. Anyway, I am whipped. Have a good night All. Mike On Nov 10, 2012 9:40 AM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote: He says to tell all of you thank you for the best wishes and all and that he is glad to be of service to Our Country! Mike On Nov 9, 2012 4:30 PM, clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote: Congratulations to your new Marine clay On Nov 9, 2012, at 8:30 AM, Michael Canfield wrote: Our son is now officially a Marine! We are leaving the post soon. Would be nice to get together for a late lunch/picnic or the like. Don't have a whole lot of time to get back home but we could make a short sidetrip to put faces with a couple names from the list. My cel is 607-339-9387. Mike On Nov 9, 2012 8:59 AM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Also very appropriate weekend, Veterans day and all. Best wishes and thanks to all fellow vets. Mike, Rich, any chance of mini-list-get-together? I'll have to apply for kitchen pass from COMHOMECHUCK (Commander, Home in Charleston, aka SWMBO, for the acronym-challenged). -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote: Well, the old 300d made it to Parris Island to pick up our new Marine! Happy about the car, ecstatic about seeing Cody graduate tomorrow! We are soo proud! He just offered to buy all of us lunch for the first time ever! Wow! Later, Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To
Re: [MBZ] OT Quotes with comment
Opels were sold along with the Buick line when they were imported by GM. Mike On Nov 7, 2012 7:59 PM, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote: On Nov 7, 2012 7:32 PM, Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au wrote: Opel (German version of GM) has just entered the Oz market http://www.opel-australia.com.au/vehicles/opel-range.html and Holden are less than happy about this, as they used to sell rebadged Opels. I thought Holden was GM-owned? Best, Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The Laffer curve
On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 07:11:46 -0500 Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net wrote: I do not understand anyone can completely blame the federal debt on Democrats. Under Reagan, the FD rose from approximately $900 billion to approximately $2.8 trillion...that's about 211%. And I liked Reagan and voted for him twice, but lets keep our eye on the FACTS here. Like I said, the FACT is that while government income rose by a factor of two under Reagan, spending rose by a factor of three. That shows the real problem is in Congress, which was controlled by Democrats at the time, though both sides are guilty. Should Reagan have vetoed the budgets, like Clinton did? It's easy to look back and say yes. The Democrats promised Reagan a spending cut if he would increase taxes. He did increase taxes, but he is still waiting for the spending cut. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The Laffer curve
On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 07:27:44 -0600 Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: This is also true in the US -- debt almost always explodes when the Republicans are in power and falls when Democrats are. The stock market does much better under Democrats, too, on average (although that's not such a tight correlation). It depends upon how you define who is in power. Is that the Congress, the White House or both? What you have said is not true. We had a surplus under Clinton because the Republican Congress kept him from spending as much as he wanted. Under Obama, with a Democratic Congress the first two years, our national debt went from 10.5 to 16 trillion dollars -- an increase of 51%. Remember the cash for clunkers? Remember the stimulus program which didn't really stimulate anything? I've decided that the radial right has fully absorbed the lessons from 1984 -- they use every expression in the OPPOSITE manner. When they say my opponent is lying it means they are, etc. It's easy to call people names. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The Laffer curve
I think it normally works this way: 1) The President proposes a budget, and 2) Congress passes the budget. If you look historically, almost all budgets were within 3% (plus or minus) of what each President has proposed. On Nov 11, 2012, at 10:08 AM, Craig wrote: On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 07:11:46 -0500 Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net wrote: I do not understand anyone can completely blame the federal debt on Democrats. Under Reagan, the FD rose from approximately $900 billion to approximately $2.8 trillion...that's about 211%. And I liked Reagan and voted for him twice, but lets keep our eye on the FACTS here. Like I said, the FACT is that while government income rose by a factor of two under Reagan, spending rose by a factor of three. That shows the real problem is in Congress, which was controlled by Democrats at the time, though both sides are guilty. Should Reagan have vetoed the budgets, like Clinton did? It's easy to look back and say yes. The Democrats promised Reagan a spending cut if he would increase taxes. He did increase taxes, but he is still waiting for the spending cut. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The Laffer curve
On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 10:21:14 -0500 Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net wrote: I think it normally works this way: 1) The President proposes a budget, and 2) Congress passes the budget. It's supposed to be: 1) The House of Representatives develops and passes a budget bill, 2) The Senate also passes the bill, subject to negotiations with the House, and, 3) The President signs the bill and the U.S. has a budget. Note that recently no budget has been passed, only Continuing Resolutions, which continue the previous spending. Our duly elected representatives kicking the can down the road. If you look historically, almost all budgets were within 3% (plus or minus) of what each President has proposed. Probably to avoid the threat of a veto. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Quotes with comment
My Dad was an executive VP of a GM division (GMAC) in the 60s, and like all of the GM execs, he got program cars and dibs on anything else they had for the most part. When the Opel arrangement went in the tank in the late 60s, they gave him the option to pick whatever he wanted from the remaining inventory that was warehoused somewhere on the east coast. So my poor, long suffering Mom got a brand new, Opel Kadett. (I say this because her previous car was also a child of one of GMs failed ventures, a Vauxhall wagon. After the Opel she got her first new car, a 1971-1/2 Ford Pinto hatchback.) I remember that car well, as it was so poorly built and tin cannish it wasn't funny. Mom loved stick shift cars, which this was, and she thrashed the bejesus out of it. The car was a light blue, and the interior was so spartan I seem to recall that it had rubber mats and no carpet. Not sure what happened to it, but I'm sure there wasn't much left of it when Mom was done with it. Dan On Nov 11, 2012, at 9:50 AM, Michael Canfield wrote: Opels were sold along with the Buick line when they were imported by GM. Mike On Nov 7, 2012 7:59 PM, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote: On Nov 7, 2012 7:32 PM, Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au wrote: Opel (German version of GM) has just entered the Oz market http://www.opel-australia.com.au/vehicles/opel-range.html and Holden are less than happy about this, as they used to sell rebadged Opels. I thought Holden was GM-owned? Best, Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The Laffer curve
Is it time for someone to mention Hitler? grin Dan On Nov 11, 2012, at 10:28 AM, Craig wrote: On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 10:21:14 -0500 Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net wrote: I think it normally works this way: 1) The President proposes a budget, and 2) Congress passes the budget. It's supposed to be: 1) The House of Representatives develops and passes a budget bill, 2) The Senate also passes the bill, subject to negotiations with the House, and, 3) The President signs the bill and the U.S. has a budget. Note that recently no budget has been passed, only Continuing Resolutions, which continue the previous spending. Our duly elected representatives kicking the can down the road. If you look historically, almost all budgets were within 3% (plus or minus) of what each President has proposed. Probably to avoid the threat of a veto. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] N2 in my tires
On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 11:27:04 -0500 Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I use a mixture of nitrogen and exotic gases in my cars. Nitrogen, oxygen, argon, krypton, xenon, and neon? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: OT Quotes with comment
I remember that car [Kadett] well, as it was so poorly built and tin cannish it wasn't funny. My HS math teacher had a Kadett. (Logging town, B school, you can imagine the pay grade.) She lived with her parents, and I think the Kadett was well-used by that time. Not much of a car, is what we all thought of it. I imagine it was as close to free as a car could get, I do recall rust. interior was so spartan I seem to recall that it had rubber mats and no carpet. As did my Falcon. When I had it restored I had to have it carpeted, since a molded-to-fit rubber mat wasn't available. The carpet _is_ nicer, but a hose-out interior has its place too! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Made it to SC
If they are old and brittle, when you touch them they will crack. Guaranteed. I learned a long time ago to always have a meter of new return line handy any time I touched one I had not personally replaced in the past. Also, be careful when you remove them from the injectors. If you use a razor knife to cut the old lines, be sure just to cut the surface and not all the way through. If you do you can scratch the hose nipple on the injector, and create a leak that can't be fixed. Don't ask me how I know this Dan On Nov 11, 2012, at 12:20 PM, Fmiser wrote: Michael Canfield wrote: Return lines are the oem cloth covered line and are dry as a bone. Have not pulled one off yet to see of they are coming apart inside. Don't bother. If they are failing, they will weep. If they are dry, leave 'em alone. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: OT Quotes with comment
My cousin had one of those things back when, it was like his first new car after a Valiant with push-button shifter for the auto box. He thrashed the *** out of the thing. He really wanted the Opel GT but could only afford the Kadett but he would slam powershifts on it. I remember riding with him in it when I was fairly young, he was not a lot older but had his license and some menial job. He probably tore it up before getting another car, which I think was an SS396, he went through a coupla those too. He now weighs about 350lb and rides a Harley. Go figure. As does his most recent wife (I think this might be #4), though she is probably only about 200lb. --R On 11/11/12 12:15 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: The one thing that really sticks in my memory was the shifter on that car. As I seem to recall (and remember that this is the memory of someone who was in their early childhood at the time) it seemed like it was really, really long. Dan On Nov 11, 2012, at 11:59 AM, Jim Cathey wrote: I remember that car [Kadett] well, as it was so poorly built and tin cannish it wasn't funny. My HS math teacher had a Kadett. (Logging town, B school, you can imagine the pay grade.) She lived with her parents, and I think the Kadett was well-used by that time. Not much of a car, is what we all thought of it. I imagine it was as close to free as a car could get, I do recall rust. interior was so spartan I seem to recall that it had rubber mats and no carpet. As did my Falcon. When I had it restored I had to have it carpeted, since a molded-to-fit rubber mat wasn't available. The carpet _is_ nicer, but a hose-out interior has its place too! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] N2 in my tires
Rich Thomas wrote: I use a mixture of nitrogen and exotic gases in my cars. Craig wrote: Nitrogen, oxygen, argon, krypton, xenon, and neon? The stuff I use has little carbon dioxide, methane, and helium and water vapor too, I think. I wasn't aware the mixture I'm using contained krypton and xenon. I looked around for a label to see if it was listed there, but I can't seem to find a container it came in, or a label, or a MSDS sheet! --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: OT Quotes with comment
In Europe, the Opel line has a reputation similar to the Yugo here. I drove an Opel Manta in the 70's. Okay car but a bit tinny. It had fuel injection a full decade before it became popular with US automakers. There was a joke in Germany - Why do Opel owners keep a bale of straw in the back seat? - So when the straw falls out of their head they can stuff more in. Loses something in translation, but you get the idea. -Dave Wallton On Sunday, November 11, 2012, Jim Cathey wrote: I remember that car [Kadett] well, as it was so poorly built and tin cannish it wasn't funny. My HS math teacher had a Kadett. (Logging town, B school, you can imagine the pay grade.) She lived with her parents, and I think the Kadett was well-used by that time. Not much of a car, is what we all thought of it. I imagine it was as close to free as a car could get, I do recall rust. interior was so spartan I seem to recall that it had rubber mats and no carpet. As did my Falcon. When I had it restored I had to have it carpeted, since a molded-to-fit rubber mat wasn't available. The carpet _is_ nicer, but a hose-out interior has its place too! -- Jim __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Veterans'/Armistice Day
What he said. Thank you for your service to our country. Dan On Nov 11, 2012, at 1:38 PM, Tim C wrote: I know many of you on the list are veterans of the armed forces, and spent many of your strongest years in the service of the United States and other nations instead of pursuing your own ambitions. Thank you for your and your families' sacrifices and service. Sincerely, Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Veterans'/Armistice Day
On Nov 11, 2012, at 1:38 PM, Tim C wrote: I know many of you on the list are veterans of the armed forces, and spent many of your strongest years in the service of the United States and other nations instead of pursuing your own ambitions. Thank you for your and your families' sacrifices and service. Sincerely, Tim ___ On Nov 11, 2012, at 12:59 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: What he said. Thank you for your service to our country. Dan Ditto. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The Laffer curve
On Nov 11, 2012 10:45 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Is it time for someone to mention Hitler? grin Well, Craig mentioned cash for clunkers, which I seem to recall was in the scope of the main list. Speaking of: - I noticed the junk yard is now stocking a lot more older (i.e. 70-80s) cars than a couple of years ago. - Almost every day I walk past a Kia with a novelty front plate that reads, My other car was a clunker. Always get a kick out of that. Best, Tim Watching for falling sky ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Made it to SC
Just went out and looked for a couple minutesthere is a wet spot under the primer pump. Time for a new one of those first. Mike On Nov 11, 2012 12:25 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: If they are old and brittle, when you touch them they will crack. Guaranteed. I learned a long time ago to always have a meter of new return line handy any time I touched one I had not personally replaced in the past. Also, be careful when you remove them from the injectors. If you use a razor knife to cut the old lines, be sure just to cut the surface and not all the way through. If you do you can scratch the hose nipple on the injector, and create a leak that can't be fixed. Don't ask me how I know this Dan On Nov 11, 2012, at 12:20 PM, Fmiser wrote: Michael Canfield wrote: Return lines are the oem cloth covered line and are dry as a bone. Have not pulled one off yet to see of they are coming apart inside. Don't bother. If they are failing, they will weep. If they are dry, leave 'em alone. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The Laffer curve
Last time I checked, the US of A has not had a budget for 4 years, in violation of the constitution. I think it normally works this way: 1) The President proposes a budget, and 2) Congress passes the budget. If you look historically, almost all budgets were within 3% (plus or minus) of what each President has proposed. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The Laffer curve
I'm in favor of impeaching them all and electing a fresh group, preferably with no prior experience! -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Last time I checked, the US of A has not had a budget for 4 years, in violation of the constitution. I think it normally works this way: 1) The President proposes a budget, and 2) Congress passes the budget. If you look historically, almost all budgets were within 3% (plus or minus) of what each President has proposed. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Made it to SC
I'm skeptical that a new style pump would be the culprit, look also for leaking DV or hoses near primary filter. Hard starting is a great symptom for air leaking in, primer pump is the classic entry point. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Better order a replacement from the Q right quick. If the primer pump starts to leak (and it doesn't have to be visible - it can suck air just as easily!) you could end up stranded somewhere. Dan On Nov 11, 2012, at 2:37 PM, Michael Canfield wrote: Just went out and looked for a couple minutesthere is a wet spot under the primer pump. Time for a new one of those first. Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Made it to SC
Max, I was skeptical as well. It is certainly leaking from up under the plunger. Mike On Nov 11, 2012 3:10 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: I'm skeptical that a new style pump would be the culprit, look also for leaking DV or hoses near primary filter. Hard starting is a great symptom for air leaking in, primer pump is the classic entry point. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Better order a replacement from the Q right quick. If the primer pump starts to leak (and it doesn't have to be visible - it can suck air just as easily!) you could end up stranded somewhere. Dan On Nov 11, 2012, at 2:37 PM, Michael Canfield wrote: Just went out and looked for a couple minutesthere is a wet spot under the primer pump. Time for a new one of those first. Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The Laffer curve
On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 15:08:22 -0500 Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: I'm in favor of impeaching them all and electing a fresh group, preferably with no prior experience! Aye! There's the rub! Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Made it to SC
Well at least you know the likely solution! -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote: Max, I was skeptical as well. It is certainly leaking from up under the plunger. Mike On Nov 11, 2012 3:10 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: I'm skeptical that a new style pump would be the culprit, look also for leaking DV or hoses near primary filter. Hard starting is a great symptom for air leaking in, primer pump is the classic entry point. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Better order a replacement from the Q right quick. If the primer pump starts to leak (and it doesn't have to be visible - it can suck air just as easily!) you could end up stranded somewhere. Dan On Nov 11, 2012, at 2:37 PM, Michael Canfield wrote: Just went out and looked for a couple minutesthere is a wet spot under the primer pump. Time for a new one of those first. Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The Laffer curve
You wrote a fresh group, preferably with no prior experience Hmmm.. that sounds a lot like the executive branch we have now... LarryT Let your engine tell you how healthy it is! Visit www.youroil.net For Inexpensive Oil Test Kits! - Original Message - From: Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 3:08:22 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] The Laffer curve I'm in favor of impeaching them all and electing a fresh group, preferably with no prior experience! -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Last time I checked, the US of A has not had a budget for 4 years, in violation of the constitution. I think it normally works this way: 1) The President proposes a budget, and 2) Congress passes the budget. If you look historically, almost all budgets were within 3% (plus or minus) of what each President has proposed. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Junk yards; was - The Laffer curve
Tim C wrote: - I noticed the junk yard is now stocking a lot more older (i.e. 70-80s) cars than a couple of years ago. I see the opposite trend here. There are a couple yards that still have older stuff, but most seem to sell it off for scrap. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Quotes with comment
BIL loved Studebakers. When they went under, he bought Chevys and then a Pinto. About ten miles out of Tampa on the way to Pennsylvania, the Pinto caught fire. For the rest of his life he was happy with a GM car independently made in Tennessee; I forget its name. Gerry...who bent Studebaker valve wrenches and used them to adjust Mercedes diesel engine valves for years. Gerry From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com My Dad was an executive VP of a GM division (GMAC) in the 60s, and like all of the GM execs, he got program cars and dibs on anything else they had for the most part. When the Opel arrangement went in the tank in the late 60s, they gave him the option to pick whatever he wanted from the remaining inventory that was warehoused somewhere on the east coast. So my poor, long suffering Mom got a brand new, Opel Kadett. (I say this because her previous car was also a child of one of GMs failed ventures, a Vauxhall wagon. After the Opel she got her first new car, a 1971-1/2 Ford Pinto hatchback.) I remember that car well, as it was so poorly built and tin cannish it wasn't funny. Mom loved stick shift cars, which this was, and she thrashed the bejesus out of it. The car was a light blue, and the interior was so spartan I seem to recall that it had rubber mats and no carpet. Not sure what happened to it, but I'm sure there wasn't much left of it when Mom was done with it. Dan On Nov 11, 2012, at 9:50 AM, Michael Canfield wrote: Opels were sold along with the Buick line when they were imported by GM. Mike On Nov 7, 2012 7:59 PM, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote: On Nov 7, 2012 7:32 PM, Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au wrote: Opel (German version of GM) has just entered the Oz market http://www.opel-australia.com.au/vehicles/opel-range.html and Holden are less than happy about this, as they used to sell rebadged Opels. I thought Holden was GM-owned? Best, Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5388 - Release Date: 11/11/12 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The Laffer curve
Only problem with that is the learning curve is VERY steep. And we pay the consequences of that! Having served on a number of board and as president of a few volunteer organizations, you really need experienced people, avoids all sorts of learning curve errors. On the flip side, usually people who are all hot to be in charge aren't suited for the job. I have always advocated a citizen government, and that means not leaving people in office forever. Sadly, I only have one vote! Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT BMW's next major advance
http://www.engadget.com/2012/11/11/bmws-performance-sport-steering-wheel-brings-vehicle-data-right/ But will it be able to tell the driver to turn the aux lights off? --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] N2 in my tires
Me, too - commonly known as air. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] N2 in my tires I use a mixture of nitrogen and exotic gases in my cars. --R On 11/10/12 7:42 PM, Max Dillon wrote: With the remaining nitrogen from the hear pump install, filled up the tires on my Mercedes. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Veterans'/Armistice Day
Thanks; 'glad to have had the opportunity. Wilton - Original Message - From: Tim C bb...@crone.us To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 1:38 PM Subject: [MBZ] OT: Veterans'/Armistice Day I know many of you on the list are veterans of the armed forces, and spent many of your strongest years in the service of the United States and other nations instead of pursuing your own ambitions. Thank you for your and your families' sacrifices and service. Sincerely, Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 123 still looking good!
At about noon today, I was cruising at about 75+ mph on I-40 westbound between Raleigh and Chapel Hill with a pack of 50 to 60 cars four abreast. The cars were of all makes and colors, of course, and mostly new to nearly new. The interesting thing about the pack, though, was the white 30-year-old MB 123 (300D) that came easing past me on the left and pulled in front of me; 'couldn't help but notice it was the best looking car in the entire pack, and, of course, that's including my 26-year-old 124 (I like the overall looks of a 123 more than a 124). We cruised together for 15 minutes or so until the 123 eased back into far left lane and pulled away. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 still looking good!
Nice story Wilton. I saw a lot of nice MBZ cars while flying through NC @ 85mph with my black w123 the other day. I only saw one other 123 the whole trip from NY to SC and back. Mike On Nov 11, 2012 6:20 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: At about noon today, I was cruising at about 75+ mph on I-40 westbound between Raleigh and Chapel Hill with a pack of 50 to 60 cars four abreast. The cars were of all makes and colors, of course, and mostly new to nearly new. The interesting thing about the pack, though, was the white 30-year-old MB 123 (300D) that came easing past me on the left and pulled in front of me; 'couldn't help but notice it was the best looking car in the entire pack, and, of course, that's including my 26-year-old 124 (I like the overall looks of a 123 more than a 124). We cruised together for 15 minutes or so until the 123 eased back into far left lane and pulled away. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 still looking good!
That causes me to remember how MB drivers used to wave at each other as they drove about back in the late'70s. These days I always wave at any other 123 I see but usually the people look at me like I'm a creeper or something. Bob.R On Nov 11, 2012 4:20 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: At about noon today, I was cruising at about 75+ mph on I-40 westbound between Raleigh and Chapel Hill with a pack of 50 to 60 cars four abreast. The cars were of all makes and colors, of course, and mostly new to nearly new. The interesting thing about the pack, though, was the white 30-year-old MB 123 (300D) that came easing past me on the left and pulled in front of me; 'couldn't help but notice it was the best looking car in the entire pack, and, of course, that's including my 26-year-old 124 (I like the overall looks of a 123 more than a 124). We cruised together for 15 minutes or so until the 123 eased back into far left lane and pulled away. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] N2 in my tires
I much prefer methane. Allows me to reseat the rubber when it gets off the rim. Toss a match clay On Nov 11, 2012, at 8:43 AM, Craig wrote: On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 11:27:04 -0500 Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I use a mixture of nitrogen and exotic gases in my cars. Nitrogen, oxygen, argon, krypton, xenon, and neon? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Junk yards; was - The Laffer curve
I am seeing far fewer imports of age but a goodly number of many forms of older American iron in the yards. Hard to find a 126. but lots of w124. The 70's and 60's cars are US. clay On Nov 11, 2012, at 2:11 PM, Fmiser wrote: Tim C wrote: - I noticed the junk yard is now stocking a lot more older (i.e. 70-80s) cars than a couple of years ago. I see the opposite trend here. There are a couple yards that still have older stuff, but most seem to sell it off for scrap. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 still looking good!
I can still count on my fellow two wheelers to wave. Rice burner boys are not prone to wave. I suspect their manhood is stunted and does not allow hand movements while trying to keep balanced. clay On Nov 11, 2012, at 4:27 PM, Bob Rentfro wrote: That causes me to remember how MB drivers used to wave at each other as they drove about back in the late'70s. These days I always wave at any other 123 I see but usually the people look at me like I'm a creeper or something. Bob.R On Nov 11, 2012 4:20 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: At about noon today, I was cruising at about 75+ mph on I-40 westbound between Raleigh and Chapel Hill with a pack of 50 to 60 cars four abreast. The cars were of all makes and colors, of course, and mostly new to nearly new. The interesting thing about the pack, though, was the white 30-year-old MB 123 (300D) that came easing past me on the left and pulled in front of me; 'couldn't help but notice it was the best looking car in the entire pack, and, of course, that's including my 26-year-old 124 (I like the overall looks of a 123 more than a 124). We cruised together for 15 minutes or so until the 123 eased back into far left lane and pulled away. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 still looking good!
Funny. Me too. Mike On Nov 11, 2012 7:27 PM, Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: That causes me to remember how MB drivers used to wave at each other as they drove about back in the late'70s. These days I always wave at any other 123 I see but usually the people look at me like I'm a creeper or something. Bob.R On Nov 11, 2012 4:20 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: At about noon today, I was cruising at about 75+ mph on I-40 westbound between Raleigh and Chapel Hill with a pack of 50 to 60 cars four abreast. The cars were of all makes and colors, of course, and mostly new to nearly new. The interesting thing about the pack, though, was the white 30-year-old MB 123 (300D) that came easing past me on the left and pulled in front of me; 'couldn't help but notice it was the best looking car in the entire pack, and, of course, that's including my 26-year-old 124 (I like the overall looks of a 123 more than a 124). We cruised together for 15 minutes or so until the 123 eased back into far left lane and pulled away. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] N2 in my tires
On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 11:33:28 -0600 Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Rich Thomas wrote: I use a mixture of nitrogen and exotic gases in my cars. Craig wrote: Nitrogen, oxygen, argon, krypton, xenon, and neon? The stuff I use has little carbon dioxide, methane, and helium and water vapor too, I think. Sorry, I forgot about all of those! (Don't ask me how!) From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_composition, which in turn got it from CRC Handbook of Chemistry and Physics, 1997 Edition: Pure Gas Name Symbol Mole fraction NitrogenN2 0.78084 Oxygen O2 0.209476 Argon Ar 0.00934 Carbon Dioxide CO2 0.000314 NeonNe 0.1818 Methane CH4 0.02 Helium He 0.0524 Krypton Kr 0.0114 HydrogenH2 0.005 Xenon Xe 0.00087 Neglecting, of course, water vapor. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 still looking good!
I can still count on my fellow two wheelers to wave. Rice burner boys are not prone to wave. I suspect their manhood is stunted and does not allow hand movements while trying to keep balanced. clay In the years BTW, everyone waved. Even the state peetrol. Then it was trucks saluting trucks, motorsickles, saluting other riders, and MB owners saluting other MB owners. Then it got to be pretty much just trucks lifting a finger to other truckers, and BMW riders waving to other BMW riders.' Now, with all the tinted glass, nobody waves. I dislike tinted glass, and I really dislike the tint you can't see through. I want to see where the bozo in the car is looking to judge how much danger I am in. now if anyone lifts a hand or a finger, it is the bird. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Veterans'/Armistice Day
Well said and seconded. If I could start over again at the beginning, wouldn't hesitate a second. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Thanks; 'glad to have had the opportunity. Wilton - Original Message - From: Tim C bb...@crone.us To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 1:38 PM Subject: [MBZ] OT: Veterans'/Armistice Day I know many of you on the list are veterans of the armed forces, and spent many of your strongest years in the service of the United States and other nations instead of pursuing your own ambitions. Thank you for your and your families' sacrifices and service. Sincerely, Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 still looking good!
50 years ago, while I was in B-52 training in CA, a friend and his wife were at our house one evening for dinner. Friend suddenly realized he had forgotten to swing past post office to mail a certain letter on the way over. He excused himself to rush to post office and back. When he came back a few minutes later, he related how he had met a CHP officer en route; friend had give the officer a friendly wave in native Okie manner. CHP car immediately made a U turn and came up behind friend with lights flashing. Friend pulled over, of course; as the officer approached, he asked friend, Hey what's this waving you're doing? You trying to be some sort of wise guy? Friend replied incredulously, No, I was just saying, 'Hello,' like we do back home in Oklahoma. Officer replied something like this, Well, we don't wave like that here in CA unless it's somebody trying to give another driver the finger or something like that. Just be careful, Buddy. Wilton - Original Message - From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 8:02 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 still looking good! I can still count on my fellow two wheelers to wave. Rice burner boys are not prone to wave. I suspect their manhood is stunted and does not allow hand movements while trying to keep balanced. clay In the years BTW, everyone waved. Even the state peetrol. Then it was trucks saluting trucks, motorsickles, saluting other riders, and MB owners saluting other MB owners. Then it got to be pretty much just trucks lifting a finger to other truckers, and BMW riders waving to other BMW riders.' Now, with all the tinted glass, nobody waves. I dislike tinted glass, and I really dislike the tint you can't see through. I want to see where the bozo in the car is looking to judge how much danger I am in. now if anyone lifts a hand or a finger, it is the bird. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Veterans'/Armistice Day
Someone posted the story recently about two Marines who died repelling an insurgent attack on a Marine base in Afghanistan. Today at church I was talking with a retired Marine, turns out he's an aviator and knew and served with the LCOL who died. Small world. He knew the whole story. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 still looking good!
There was somebody near here had an orange 123 coupe that for awhile reversed my commute. We'd wave as we passed twice daily when I drove the 240D. -Curt Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 17:27:11 -0700 From: Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 still looking good! Message-ID: CAKOy=fvxbbvdtgijyt8xekx1lmmc4q7uus3czsc_kesrn1+...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 That causes me to remember how MB drivers used to wave at each other as they drove about back in the late'70s. These days I always wave at any other 123 I see but usually the people look at me like I'm a creeper or something. Bob.R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 still looking good!
I find when I'm riding my '82 Honda CB900f (the granddaddy of all cafe racer type bikes, or one of the granddaddies anyway) that the Harley crowd often doesn't wave. When I'm riding my wife's Kawasaki 454 LTD they do as all they see is a cruiser. One time a guy in a gas station was convinced I'd put Kawi side panels on a Harley Sportster. Then I pointed out that while my bike has 2 cylinders they're situated side by side and although my bike has half the displacement it would generally smoke an unmodified 883 Sportster owing mostly to the liquid cooling. He mumbled and walked away. -Curt Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 16:43:41 -0800 From: clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 still looking good! Message-ID: 33588b70-eec0-47b8-bb0d-b2f382174...@comcast.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I can still count on my fellow two wheelers to wave. Rice burner boys are not prone to wave. I suspect their manhood is stunted and does not allow hand movements while trying to keep balanced. clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Veterans'/Armistice Day
Someone posted the story recently about two Marines who died repelling an insurgent attack on a Marine base in Afghanistan. Today at church I was talking with a retired Marine, turns out he's an aviator and knew and served with the LCOL who died. Small world. He knew the whole story. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Nothing against the other branches, but some of the most memorable people I have met were/are Marines. Harry used to own one of the oldest MB dealers in the country. It have been a Studebaker/MB dealer before he bought it from the PO. I think he was a grunt. Cal was the head honkey at the John Deere Waterloo works when I met him. That was when they employed 13,000 at that plant. He went on to be a board member of JD. I never knew if he had been enlisted or an officer. jump was a pilot of the last squadron of F-4s in active duty at KMCAS. He was part of the final flight of the last F-4 squadron when they flew off into the sunrise to deliver the F-4s to the boneyard. He later returned to KMCAS as the air boss a few years later. Captain Benson was my son's Cub Scout leader. Not many kids get a real fighter pilot as a Den Leader. Mine did. We watched them fly off in 1991 toward Iraq. I met Pappy Boyington maybe a year before he died. He was a character to the end. I had a couple of other friends from KMCAS who were enlisted. One had all the stripes you could get. The other had almost as many stripes. One of them introduced us to chili Phillie dip we still make that frequently. Made some last night. Probably some others too. To be fair to other branches: I know 4 memorable people who were nuke submariners. 2 enlisted, father and son. (they can fix anything) and 2 rickover officers. They are very capable people. One is recognized as the world leader in his field. I met a Navy Captain who had a 200D. He was a good guy. Not a starched neck like a lot of the others. I work with a bubblehead boomer He was in charge of the missiles on the subs. Then he taught others. He spent the rest of his life in automation and controls. Interesting guy. I worked for a guy who had been Army enlisted when Pearl Harbor was attacked. He and some buddies invented palletized freight. He was a specialist in burners and controls. He was THE guy that the navy called anytime from anywhere in the world when they could not get a ship to light a fire and their personnel could not figure it out. Harry would talk them through it over the phone. Wayne had been in the AIr Corps in the Pacific in WWII. I had a couple college classes he taught. He was a bona-fide genius, and could do anything. He related hydraulics to electronics. I understood the hydraulics, so I related the electronics to hydraulics when I tried to learn that. (A diode is just a check valve) A class with Wayne was always interesting. He was a superb storyteller. So each lesson was an interesting story about some experience he had that related to what we were supposed to learn. It was like listening to Red Skelton. He would have us laughing uproariously, but we learned. He had worked for Cincinnati Milacron, and also for Hammond/Baldwin when they were building the famous B-3 and C-3 organs. He could talk about hydraulics, electronics, milling machines and other machine tools and machining, and music and organs. Wayne was a true industrial technologist. One of his best stories was how they salvaged parts off damaged bombers to make an ice cream machine on a pacific island. I knew a woman who was a ferry pilot in WWII (WAC) She flew planes all over the globe to deliver them to the theaters of war. She was a corporate pilot the rest of her life. My Daughter's neighbor is a WWII B-17 pilot. I've never gotten him to tell stories, but he is a great guy. His wife was an Army nurse. The guy who used to own her house was an Air Corps Colonel who was in charge of the Philippines after the war was over. I'd like to have heard his stories. Here is to all those people, and to Wilton and Max and all the other veterans on the list. Thanks for all you did. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Made it to SC
What about the oil? Are you leaking high amounts or burning it? Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (158,xxx mi) On 11/11/2012 12:25 PM, Michael Canfield wrote: Max, I was skeptical as well. It is certainly leaking from up under the plunger. Mike On Nov 11, 2012 3:10 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: I'm skeptical that a new style pump would be the culprit, look also for leaking DV or hoses near primary filter. Hard starting is a great symptom for air leaking in, primer pump is the classic entry point. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Better order a replacement from the Q right quick. If the primer pump starts to leak (and it doesn't have to be visible - it can suck air just as easily!) you could end up stranded somewhere. Dan On Nov 11, 2012, at 2:37 PM, Michael Canfield wrote: Just went out and looked for a couple minutesthere is a wet spot under the primer pump. Time for a new one of those first. Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The Laffer curve
On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 15:08:22 -0500 Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: I'm in favor of impeaching them all and electing a fresh group, preferably with no prior experience! Aye! There's the rub! Craig The problem may be too many lawyers. . Thomas Jefferson said, If the present Congress errs in too much talking, how can it be otherwise in a body to which the people send one hundred and fifty lawyers, whose trade it is to question everything, yield nothing, and talk by the hour? . According to the Congressional Research Service 170 members of the House and 60 Senators are lawyers. Out of a total of 435 U.S. Representatives and 100 Senators (535 total in Congress), lawyers comprise the biggest voting block of one type, making up 43% of Congress. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Veterans'/Armistice Day
On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 20:49:26 -0600 Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: jump was a pilot of the last squadron of F-4s in active duty at KMCAS. He was part of the final flight of the last F-4 squadron when they flew off into the sunrise to deliver the F-4s to the boneyard. He later returned to KMCAS as the air boss a few years later. KMCAS? I'm a Air Force veteran and don't know what that means. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240V
On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 9:23 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 19:22:13 -0600 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: I still can't decide whether to go with Propane or Diesel. I have a 500 gal propane tank that is now only used for the grill and the small guest house when it's really cold. Propane is crazy expensive here, $1.60/gal, IIRC. I've not had sucess finding comparative operations costs between the two fuel sources. From http://www.generatorjoe.net/html/energy.html : --- Fuel Energy Content Conversions The exact values will vary depending on the quality of the fuel and in some cases the pressure. --- For the fuels in question, 1 gallon diesel = 139,200 BTU 1 gallon propane = 91,500 BTU So, from an energy perspective, 1 gallon propane = 0.657 gallon diesel. With on-road diesel at $4.189/gallon and guessing road taxes to be $0.50/gallon, that gives off-road diesel at $3.689/gallon. 0.657 gallon of diesel would then cost $2.42, which makes propane at $1.60/gallon less expensive. Craig OK - thanks! Now that I have a rational and scientific method to compare fuels, I checked on real prices. I found that Propane cost us 2.60/gal last time we filled - not the 1.60 that I quoted. Current prices are: Diesel road taxes in OK + Fed = $0.38/gal. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_Diesel_Taxes_April_2009.svg) Diesel ranges from $3.49 to $4.29/gal. but is $3.63 at my usual station now. (http://oklahomacitygasprices.com/index.aspx?fuel=D) So $3.25/gal for a genset. Propane is currently $2.02/gal from our supplier (need to top off the tank!). American Propane Gas Company - http://www.altfuelprices.com/stations/LPG/Oklahoma/Oklahoma-City/ So, $3.25*0.657=$2.14 for Diesel vs. $2.02 for propane - not that much of a delta. Even if the delta were reversed, it certainly is not enough for a 270 or so gallon Diesel tank installation to match the capacity I currently have for propane. I should stay with what I have :) Three gallons an hours at $6/hr for 24 hours = $145/day for electricity! No wonder we buy it from the mass producers! This is a good argument for right-sizing the genset for the minimum required load! Figuring the proper load size is my next assignment. OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager 1957 C182A ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Veterans'/Armistice Day
Marine Corps Air Station somewhere - K? Wilton - Original Message - From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 11:11 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Veterans'/Armistice Day On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 20:49:26 -0600 Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: jump was a pilot of the last squadron of F-4s in active duty at KMCAS. He was part of the final flight of the last F-4 squadron when they flew off into the sunrise to deliver the F-4s to the boneyard. He later returned to KMCAS as the air boss a few years later. KMCAS? I'm a Air Force veteran and don't know what that means. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 still looking good!
I was a signature away from buying a Kawasaki 454 LTD back in 1980 (I think). Only time I ever considered a bike but we lived in Owatonna. MN and I couldn't justify the amount of time I thought I wouldn't be able to ride it cause it would be too cold. Probably because I never really a motorcycle dude. Have aways admired them just never really, other than that one time, felt like having one. Bob R On Nov 11, 2012 7:26 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I find when I'm riding my '82 Honda CB900f (the granddaddy of all cafe racer type bikes, or one of the granddaddies anyway) that the Harley crowd often doesn't wave. When I'm riding my wife's Kawasaki 454 LTD they do as all they see is a cruiser. One time a guy in a gas station was convinced I'd put Kawi side panels on a Harley Sportster. Then I pointed out that while my bike has 2 cylinders they're situated side by side and although my bike has half the displacement it would generally smoke an unmodified 883 Sportster owing mostly to the liquid cooling. He mumbled and walked away. -Curt Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 16:43:41 -0800 From: clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 still looking good! Message-ID: 33588b70-eec0-47b8-bb0d-b2f382174...@comcast.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I can still count on my fellow two wheelers to wave. Rice burner boys are not prone to wave. I suspect their manhood is stunted and does not allow hand movements while trying to keep balanced. clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240V
On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 10:27 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: OK - thanks! Now that I have a rational and scientific method to compare fuels, I checked on real prices. I found that Propane cost us 2.60/gal last time we filled - not the 1.60 that I quoted. Current prices are: Diesel road taxes in OK + Fed = $0.38/gal. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_Diesel_Taxes_April_2009.svg) Diesel ranges from $3.49 to $4.29/gal. but is $3.63 at my usual station now. (http://oklahomacitygasprices.com/index.aspx?fuel=D) So $3.25/gal for a genset. Propane is currently $2.02/gal from our supplier (need to top off the tank!). American Propane Gas Company - http://www.altfuelprices.com/stations/LPG/Oklahoma/Oklahoma-City/ So, $3.25*0.657=$2.14 for Diesel vs. $2.02 for propane - not that much of a delta. Even if the delta were reversed, it certainly is not enough for a 270 or so gallon Diesel tank installation to match the capacity I currently have for propane. I should stay with what I have :) Three gallons an hours at $6/hr for 24 hours = $145/day for electricity! No wonder we buy it from the mass producers! This is a good argument for right-sizing the genset for the minimum required load! Figuring the proper load size is my next assignment. I just found this on the GeneratorJoe site - that throws the decision up in the air again -- Propane: *Disadvantages: * More expensive to operate by as much as 3-times the fuel consumption compared to diesels; Shorter life expectancy by a factor or 10 to 1for air-cooled models and 3 to 1 for water-cooled models compared to diesel powered GenSets http://www.generatorjoe.net/html/genfuel.html Sounds like there are efficiency issues beyond the BTUs of the fuels. OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager 1957 C182A ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Quotes with comment
My wife bought a new Manta in 1974 - just weeks before I met her. We drove it until it rusted out enough that I decared it unsafe to drive in 1998 with almost 200k miles. It was a good car, but I maintained it after the initial few stealer checkups in it's infancy. I did note the simularity to Mercedes engineering - front sub-frame, etc. I hated working on the Opel GTs that were brought into the shop I worked in during college. So did everyone else, so I was stuck with them. The hood was too small - worse than the Saab Sonett II and III. On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: I had a mechanically challenged friend in high school who had a Manta. It spent a lot of time at my house being worked on. It was a fun car to drive when it was running, however. -- OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager 1957 C182A ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Quotes with comment
My Dad bought a new Studebaker 1/2 ton short bed pickup in 1959 when the local dealer went out of business. He kept/used it until a Studebaker collector talked him out of it 40+ years later. On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.comwrote: BIL loved Studebakers. When they went under, he bought Chevys and then a Pinto. About ten miles out of Tampa on the way to Pennsylvania, the Pinto caught fire. For the rest of his life he was happy with a GM car independently made in Tennessee; I forget its name. Gerry...who bent Studebaker valve wrenches and used them to adjust Mercedes diesel engine valves for years. Gerry -- OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager 1957 C182A ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The Laffer curve
On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 23:30:16 -0600 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Didn't Shakespeare write The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers.? - Yes, *Henry The Sixth, Part 2 Act 4, scene 2, 71– 78*http://www.enotes.com/henryvi-ii-text/act-iv-scene-2#killlawyers. Where are the English majors when we need them? Asleep in bed, like we should be. :-) Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] N2 in my tires
I've been joking that I should fill the airplane tires with helium - then the wings, non-passenger areas of the fuselage, etc. On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 11:25 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: And some helium! It makes the car lighter and increases mileage. --R On 11/11/12 11:43 AM, Craig wrote: On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 11:27:04 -0500 Rich Thomas richthomas79TD300@**constructivity.netrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I use a mixture of nitrogen and exotic gases in my cars. Nitrogen, oxygen, argon, krypton, xenon, and neon? Craig __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager 1957 C182A ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The Laffer curve
But it's a holiday tomorrow, can't I stay up late Dad? On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 11:31 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 23:30:16 -0600 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Didn't Shakespeare write The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers.? - Yes, *Henry The Sixth, Part 2 Act 4, scene 2, 71– 78*http://www.enotes.com/henryvi-ii-text/act-iv-scene-2#killlawyers. Where are the English majors when we need them? Asleep in bed, like we should be. :-) Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager 1957 C182A ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Veterans'/Armistice Day
DING DING DING! Wilton wins again! Kaneohe MCAS. Within site of where the bumster stays. It was a seaplane base in WWII. Marine Corps Air Station somewhere - K? Wilton - Original Message - From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 11:11 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Veterans'/Armistice Day ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 still looking good, as it rolls past another broken down pomy car!
You mean trying to wave down another one to borrow a Whitworth spanner or Lucas bits:-) Hendrik who does not wave at the peasants On 12/11/12 16:07, OK Don wrote: Hmm - need to remember this story - we still wave here in Okie country - at least in my neighborhood. Back when I drove one, the British sports car driver all waved at each other. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The Laughing curve
One would expect English majors to be in the English army. Hendrik who is ducking for cover On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 11:31 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 23:30:16 -0600 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Didn't Shakespeare write The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers.? - Yes, *Henry The Sixth, Part 2 Act 4, scene 2, 71– 78*http://www.enotes.com/henryvi-ii-text/act-iv-scene-2#killlawyers. Where are the English majors when we need them? Asleep in bed, like we should be. :-) Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Ford's next major advance
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2012/10/in-1965-ford-wanted-everyone-to-steer-with-their-wrists-what-could-be-safer/ Hendrik who sometimes uses a joystick to steer ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT time to stand up
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2012/08/red-bulls-star-spangled-f1-car/ Hendrik who stands up, as it's awkward not too ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
