Re: messages being sent incorrectly
or from my site at http://mutt.justpickone.org/ in the build cocktail directory as patch-1.3.15.sw.pgp-outlook.1 (yes, the .15 version applies cleanly to the .25 source). % % And is there a way to name the sig attachment? It's confusing some % people and I'd rather they didn't think I was sending them stuff they % _had_ to open. If you use both $p_c_t and $p_o_c then LookOut! will be able to handle it even though it's named something like msg.pgp or whatnot. Thanks David, I checked out the link on your site. The patch is a text file right? How do I apply it to mutt? I'm afraid I'm as yet a little inexperienced in this type of thing. If you could see your way clear to lending a hand I'd be grateful :) -- Nick Wilson Tel:+45 3325 0688 Fax:+45 3325 0677 Web:www.explodingnet.com msg22563/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Mutt sucks less than the rest
* Vincent Lefevre [EMAIL PROTECTED] [08-01-2002 03:36]: | On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 21:04:10 -0500, mike ledoux wrote: | On Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 12:27:29AM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: | Me too. Now, this isn't a problem for me as using the editor (emacs | in my case) to do that is a better solution since I can unstrip the | signature (with Ctrl-_ in my case) if need be. | | I disagree. Using the editor to do this is the *wrong* solution, since | it requires my editor to know it is editing mail. I maintain that my | editor shouldn't need to know that--text is text. I couldn't _disagree_ with you more. For example, C source code is text to: I bet you'll want your editor to know that it's editing C source code ;) | What I want to say is that both the mailer and the editor should | have an option to strip the signature. But when one has the choice, | choosing the editor to do the job is a better solution. Yep. Bye, -- René Clerc - ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Hell is when there is no reason to live and no courage to die. -William Markiewicz, Extracts of Existence msg22564/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: messages being sent incorrectly
* Nick Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [08-01-2002 09:20]: | % And is there a way to name the sig attachment? It's confusing some | % people and I'd rather they didn't think I was sending them stuff they | % _had_ to open. | | If you use both $p_c_t and $p_o_c then LookOut! will be able to handle | it even though it's named something like msg.pgp or whatnot. | | Thanks David, I checked out the link on your site. The patch is a text | file right? How do I apply it to mutt? Usually typing: patch -p1 diff in the root of a mutt tree should do the trick. Check out 'man patch'. If you want to apply more patches from David's cocktail, in sequence, I'll hand the mic to David again... | I'm afraid I'm as yet a little inexperienced in this type of thing. If | you could see your way clear to lending a hand I'd be grateful :) No worries ;) -- René Clerc - ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) I'm not laughing behind your back; everything funny is in front! -- Rodney Dangerfield's wife msg22565/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: messages being sent incorrectly
| % And is there a way to name the sig attachment? It's confusing some | % people and I'd rather they didn't think I was sending them stuff they | % _had_ to open. | | If you use both $p_c_t and $p_o_c then LookOut! will be able to handle | it even though it's named something like msg.pgp or whatnot. | | Thanks David, I checked out the link on your site. The patch is a text | file right? How do I apply it to mutt? Usually typing: patch -p1 diff in the root of a mutt tree should do the trick. Check out 'man patch'. If you want to apply more patches from David's cocktail, in sequence, I'll hand the mic to David again... | I'm afraid I'm as yet a little inexperienced in this type of thing. If | you could see your way clear to lending a hand I'd be grateful :) No worries ;) Thanks Rene, er where do I find the mutt tree? When I compiled it I just did it in my home dir, if that's what you mean then is it possible to move the mutt tree to a more appropriate place? Cheers again. -- Nick Wilson Tel:+45 3325 0688 Fax:+45 3325 0677 Web:www.explodingnet.com msg22566/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: messages being sent incorrectly
* Nick Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [08-01-2002 09:51]: | Thanks Rene, er where do I find the mutt tree? | When I compiled it I just did it in my home dir, if that's what you mean | then is it possible to move the mutt tree to a more appropriate place? Mine is in /usr/src/mutt-1.3.25, but I don't know whether this is fully FHS (filesystem hierarchy standard, first hit on google) compliant. -- René Clerc - ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) True power is when we have every justification to kill, and don't. -Oscar Schindler msg22567/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: messages being sent incorrectly
* René Clerc [EMAIL PROTECTED] [020108 09:47]: * Nick Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [08-01-2002 09:20]: | % And is there a way to name the sig attachment? It's confusing some | % people and I'd rather they didn't think I was sending them stuff they | % _had_ to open. | | If you use both $p_c_t and $p_o_c then LookOut! will be able to handle | it even though it's named something like msg.pgp or whatnot. | | Thanks David, I checked out the link on your site. The patch is a text | file right? How do I apply it to mutt? Usually typing: patch -p1 diff in the root of a mutt tree should do the trick. Check out 'man patch'. If you want to apply more patches from David's cocktail, in sequence, I'll hand the mic to David again... | I'm afraid I'm as yet a little inexperienced in this type of thing. If | you could see your way clear to lending a hand I'd be grateful :) No worries ;) It doesn't look like I have 'patch' in my system, would there be a similar command? -- Nick Wilson Tel:+45 3325 0688 Fax:+45 3325 0677 Web:www.explodingnet.com msg22568/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: messages being sent incorrectly
* Nick Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [08-01-2002 10:41]: | It doesn't look like I have 'patch' in my system, would there be a | similar command? You could add and remove lines by hand ;) No, you really have to install patch. If you have any further questions, lease send them in private, because this is going way OT. -- René Clerc - ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) That so few now dare to be eccentric, marks the chief danger of our time. -John Stuart Mill, On Liberty msg22569/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: How to display accented characters in mutt 1.3.25?
On Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 06:57:13AM +0100, Gerhard Häring wrote: Le 07/01/02 ? 22:57, Walt Mankowski écrivit: I recently tried out mutt 1.3.25. This is my first look at the 1.3.* series of mutt. One thing I noticed right away is that mutt is no longer display accented characters correctly. On the index screen they appear as question marks. When viewing the text of an email, they appear as octal with a / in front of them. In my experience an appropriate locale must be set or else the characters are considered non-printable. Here's the relavant part from my bash .profile file: export LANG=en_IE@euro export LC_ALL=en_IE@euro export LANGUAGE=en_IE@euro export LC_CTYPE=en_IE@euro (Beeing in Germany) I only defined export LC_CTYPE=de_DE.ISO_8859-1 That does the trick. At least for accents and umlauts. Tobias. PS: Isn't this some kind of FAQ?
Re: signed emails, why ?
On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 21:44:05 -0800, Gary Johnson wrote: There is no built-in way to hide the [-- ... --] stuff, but I got tired of looking at it, especially surrounding the frequent HTML messages I receive and around people's PGP signatures, so I added this to my folder-hooks for mailing lists: folder-hook +Incoming/. 'set display_filter=sed '\''/^\\[-- .* --]$/d'\''' But this will remove too much. And using sed would probably slow down the display. -- Vincent Lefèvre [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Web: http://www.vinc17.org/ - 100% validated HTML - Acorn Risc PC, Yellow Pig 17, Championnat International des Jeux Mathématiques et Logiques, TETRHEX, etc. Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / SPACES project at LORIA
Re: Can't send mail from my profile
Ok, so then how to I get vim into my profile. I use vim all the time from w3m, and on it's own from the command line, even, so I'm not sure why it isn't working for mutt. --- Nick Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Knute [EMAIL PROTECTED] [020108 08:39]: Ok, I've been fighting this for awhile now and I'm getting tired of it. It was actually the reason that I joined his list anyway. 8o) I can't send mail from mutt on my computer, and I'm not sure why. I know that my config files are ok, cause I can send mail from mutt from my son's login, using my config files! When I try to send mail, it comes up with the To: I put that in, then the Subject: comes up, and when I put something in there and hit enter, it just stays there. Any ideas? Hi Sounds like the editor you've chosen does'nt exist in your profile. I suggest this because it took me a while to work out that my call to vim should actually be to vi (same thing but on my redhat box this is how it's done) If the editor won't run then nothing happens, Check the editor you call is in your profiles path as it clearly is with your sons. HTH. -- Nick Wilson Tel: +45 3325 0688 Fax: +45 3325 0677 Web: www.explodingnet.com ATTACHMENT part 2 application/pgp-signature = Knute 8~) +-+ | You live. You die. Enjoy the interval.| | -- Swiftey (Clarence) | +-+ __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/
Re: more of the same problem
Yes, it is a sendmail issue. I ran that very same command several timesover the period of a couple of reboots to ensure that I had configured it correctly to start at boot. Got it working now so thanks. ---rhad On 07-Jan-02 Derek D. Martin wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 At some point hitherto, Erika Pacholleck hath spake thusly: [05.01.02 13:44 -0600] rhad -- : running fetchmail ... This in turn gave me lovely error output: rhad-linux:/home/rhad # fetchmail -v --keep -a /var/log/fetchmail fetchmail: SMTP connect to localhost failed Disclaimer: I did not see the original post, so this advice might be useless... ;-) It may be that sendmail is not running on the system, or is not currently accepting mail due to some error condition. Check to see if it's running using something like ps axu |grep sendmail and look for a message about sendmail: Accepting connections or some such thing. If that gives you no clues, try checking your system logs (probably /var/log/mail.log or similar). If it's not running, start it with something like /etc/init.d/sendmail start If that works, you'll probably need to add it to your boot scripts, with checkconfig --add sendmail HTH - -- Derek Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - I prefer mail encrypted with PGP/GPG! GnuPG Key ID: 0x81CFE75D Retrieve my public key at http://pgp.mit.edu Learn more about it at http://www.gnupg.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8Oe3OdjdlQoHP510RAoIVAKChw+sYeVBZ/P0jH63i8IpoJSyUMwCeK3fl qVf9oAc2fVjj0c4XCsM0heQ= =J/Wp -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- E-Mail: rhad [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 07-Jan-02 Time: 20:47:50 This message was sent by XFMail --
Re: Can't send mail from my profile
* Knute [EMAIL PROTECTED] [020108 12:50]: Ok, so then how to I get vim into my profile. I use vim all the time from w3m, and on it's own from the command line, even, so I'm not sure why it isn't working for mutt. --- Nick Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Knute [EMAIL PROTECTED] [020108 08:39]: Ok, I've been fighting this for awhile now and I'm getting tired of it. It was actually the reason that I joined his list anyway. 8o) I can't send mail from mutt on my computer, and I'm not sure why. I know that my config files are ok, cause I can send mail from mutt from my son's login, using my config files! When I try to send mail, it comes up with the To: I put that in, then the Subject: comes up, and when I put something in there and hit enter, it just stays there. Any ideas? Hi Sounds like the editor you've chosen does'nt exist in your profile. I suggest this because it took me a while to work out that my call to vim should actually be to vi (same thing but on my redhat box this is how it's done) If the editor won't run then nothing happens, Check the editor you call is in your profiles path as it clearly is with your sons. Well, if it works from the command line in your profile I'm not sure either! Check the 'set editor=' line in your .muttrc and make sure that whatever command you are issuing on that line also works from the prompt. I hope that helps, it's an very odd problem. Nick Wilson Tel:+45 3325 0688 Fax:+45 3325 0677 Web:www.explodingnet.com msg22574/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Bold text
[07.01.02 10:21 -0500] David T-G -- : ...and then Nick Wilson said... % % I'll stick with using *bold* like this. It works for me :) I certainly agree :-) I like to add a related question about conventions: is the * the same convention for *bold* as the _ is is for _underline_ ? vote here: [ ] yes [ ] no -- Erika Pacholleck [EMAIL PROTECTED] mutters: insert vowels of last name
Re: Bold text
* Erika Pacholleck [EMAIL PROTECTED] [020108 13:09]: [07.01.02 10:21 -0500] David T-G -- : ...and then Nick Wilson said... % % I'll stick with using *bold* like this. It works for me :) I certainly agree :-) I like to add a related question about conventions: is the * the same convention for *bold* as the _ is is for _underline_ ? vote here: [x] yes [ ] no I think David mentioned USENET conventions earlier in this post. -- Nick Wilson Tel:+45 3325 0688 Fax:+45 3325 0677 Web:www.explodingnet.com msg22576/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Exchange calendar management, was: evolution
Somebody said: On this line, has anyone seen a calendaring piece that will allow you to respond to appointment requests from m$ exchange? From what I understand, Evolution has an Exchange connector piece that you can purchase, but I really want nothing to do with Evolution if I can help it (although *anything* is better than Lookout). I, too, would be greatly interested in any way to manage MS exchange appointment requests from Mutt. I am going to have a Linux computer here at work in a few weeks, and in that way I could *completely* mask myself as a Win* user (i.e. interact with coworkers using Outlook). With that and staroffice I could really make some PHB start thinking again about which platform has the lower TCO, is safer, better support, etc Of course, until the boss' secretary keeps collapsing the LAN by sending everybody in the company staff meeting at 10:am messages as *POWERPOINT* attachments instead of plain body text, nobody is safe, but it would be a nice step forward, wouldn't it? (**) TIA, Marco (**) It REALLY happened, with company logo and the whole works (~80K attachment sent to ~400 people, many using Solaris): think about me the next time you complain about HTML mail :=((
Re: Exchange calendar management, was: evolution
With that and staroffice I could really make some PHB start thinking again about which platform has the lower TCO, is safer, better support, etc Of course, until the boss' secretary keeps collapsing the LAN by sending everybody in the company staff meeting at 10:am messages as *POWERPOINT* attachments instead of plain body text, nobody is safe, but it would be a nice step forward, wouldn't it? (**) TIA, Marco (**) It REALLY happened, with company logo and the whole works (~80K attachment sent to ~400 people, many using Solaris): think about me the next time you complain about HTML mail :=(( *LOL* I like the idea of a calendar thingy aswell, perhaps if my TODO list was intergrated into my mail I'd do more work :) I found StarOffice dissapointing though, everything I save as a .doc reads like god knows what from MS Offi. -- Nick Wilson Tel:+45 3325 0688 Fax:+45 3325 0677 Web:www.explodingnet.com msg22578/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
naming the pgp sig attachment.
Hi everyone, Is there a way of giving the gpg signiture a default name like 'nicks_electronic_signiture' or something equally as clear? On some clients it's coming up labled the same as the subject and on others, some weird default like 'attach0023' Most confusing. Thanks -- Nick Wilson Tel:+45 3325 0688 Fax:+45 3325 0677 Web:www.explodingnet.com msg22579/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: naming the pgp sig attachment.
On Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 08:01:47AM -0500, Walt Mankowski wrote: On Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 01:57:47PM +0100, Nick Wilson wrote: Is there a way of giving the gpg signiture a default name like 'nicks_electronic_signiture' or something equally as clear? On some clients it's coming up labled the same as the subject and on others, some weird default like 'attach0023' Most confusing. Why do you care what the attachment is named? Mutt should take care of everything for you behind the scenes. For people who don't run mutt and basically never will, but to whom we wish to speak anyway (my mom, for example), attachments like AT029102.TXT are confusing. If it was called SIGNATURE.TXT or something, she might more easily understand it and ignore it. Et cetera. -- rjbs msg22581/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: naming the pgp sig attachment.
* Walt Mankowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] [020108 14:12]: On Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 01:57:47PM +0100, Nick Wilson wrote: Is there a way of giving the gpg signiture a default name like 'nicks_electronic_signiture' or something equally as clear? On some clients it's coming up labled the same as the subject and on others, some weird default like 'attach0023' Most confusing. Why do you care what the attachment is named? Mutt should take care of everything for you behind the scenes. Walt I'm not bothered in the slightest but I'd like other people to know what it is, rather than wondering what odd thing I've sent them. -- Nick Wilson Tel:+45 3325 0688 Fax:+45 3325 0677 Web:www.explodingnet.com msg22582/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Can't send mail from my profile
* Nick Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [08-01-2002 13:01]: | * Knute [EMAIL PROTECTED] [020108 12:50]: | Ok, so then how to I get vim into my profile. | | I use vim all the time from w3m, and on it's own from the | command line, even, so I'm not sure why it isn't working | for mutt. Nick: please reply in context!! | Well, if it works from the command line in your profile I'm not sure | either! | Check the 'set editor=' line in your .muttrc and make sure that whatever | command you are issuing on that line also works from the prompt. If you set editor to , mutt will use the environment variable EDITOR; make sure this is set (and exported) in your .profile or an alike file. -- René Clerc - ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) There is a definite parallel between shots of tequila and a woman's breasts. One is not enough and three are too many. msg22583/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: utf-8 display problem index vs. pager
On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 08:50:16PM +0100, Michael Wagner wrote: On Sonntag, 06. Jan. 2002 at 20:53:24, MuttER wrote: On Tue, Dec 18, 2001 at 08:30:05PM +0530, Prahlad Vaidyanathan wrote: mailcap text/html; w3m -T text/html %s /mailcap You could also add a 'copiousoutput' at the end of that, and set auto_view text/html in your muttrc to put w3m's output into your pager. pv. ---end quoted text--- text/html; w3m -dump -T text/html %s; copiousoutput above works well for me (using auto_view) Hello MuttER, I have this in my mailcap file: text/html; html2text %s; copiousoutput; nametemplate=%s.html because the output is much better than this lynx or w3m. Try it. ---end quoted text--- I agree that SOME of the output is much better. I like the blank lines separating paragraphs that is retained by w3m better, though. I believe they it make the document easier to read. I will use html2text for a while (maybe for an extended period :^) ) and give it more than a cursory examination. tks -- Pat Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 Registered at: http://counter.li.org
Attachments and IMAP
I am using mutt 1.3.25i as my IMAP mail client. The problem I am now having is to attach a file to outgoing mail. When I select the attach file option followed by show files, I get a list of imap folders on my server, instead of local files. How do I resolve this? IMAP Specific settings: set spoolfile=imap://myserver.com/INBOX set folder=imap://myserver.com/INBOX These settings came from the IMAP page on mutt.org. They work very well when saving messages on the server, instead of copying to a local mailbox. Any help is greatly appreciated. Best Regards, Frank
Re: signed emails, why ?
On Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 11:42:26AM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 21:44:05 -0800, Gary Johnson wrote: There is no built-in way to hide the [-- ... --] stuff, but I got tired of looking at it, especially surrounding the frequent HTML messages I receive and around people's PGP signatures, so I added this to my folder-hooks for mailing lists: folder-hook +Incoming/. 'set display_filter=sed '\''/^\\[-- .* --]$/d'\''' But this will remove too much. As I said, for other mailboxes I use a script that is more selective: sed ' /^\[-- Autoview using .* --]$/d /^\[-- Attachment .* --]$/d /^\[-- Type: .* --]$/d ' And using sed would probably slow down the display. I suppose it depends on your machine. I don't notice any difference on my HP 9000/785 workstation. I wouldn't expect any noticable effect on a newer PC running Linux, either. Gary -- Gary Johnson | Agilent Technologies [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Spokane, Washington, USA http://www.spocom.com/users/gjohnson/mutt/ |
Re: signed emails, why ?
On Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 11:42:26AM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 21:44:05 -0800, Gary Johnson wrote: There is no built-in way to hide the [-- ... --] stuff, but I got tired of looking at it, especially surrounding the frequent HTML messages I receive and around people's PGP signatures, so I added this to my folder-hooks for mailing lists: folder-hook +Incoming/. 'set display_filter=sed '\''/^\\[-- .* --]$/d'\''' But this will remove too much. As I said, for other mailboxes I use a script that is more selective: sed ' /^\[-- Autoview using .* --]$/d /^\[-- Attachment .* --]$/d /^\[-- Type: .* --]$/d ' And using sed would probably slow down the display. I suppose it depends on your machine. I don't notice any difference on my HP 9000/785 workstation. I wouldn't expect any noticable effect on a newer PC running Linux, either. Gary -- Gary Johnson | Agilent Technologies [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Spokane, Washington, USA http://www.spocom.com/users/gjohnson/mutt/ |
Re: signed emails, why ?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 At some point hitherto, Ben Reser hath spake thusly: If so, then if you had my key, and I knew you had someone else's key, and I knew that you depended only on checking the s or S, I could easily forge mail as the other person, and you'd think that it was signed by them, when in fact it was signed by me. No not if you wanted people to non-obviously think it was sent by them. You see your email is the perfect example. Mutt did not show it as authenticated. Even though GPG did. Why? Because your key didn't match the email address you sent it from. From: Derek D. Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SNIP] gpg: Good signature from Derek Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] gpg: aka Derek Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SNIP] 37 sL Jan 07 Derek D. Martin (1.9K) x x mq ^^ Note the small s. That's interesting. I didn't realize mutt would do that. Though in THIS case, it SHOULD match, and should be considered verified by mutt. Note that the only difference between the e-mail address in my key and the e-mail address I sent the mail from is the +mutt detail, which is essentially a comment and does not affect mail delivery, as specified by RFC 822. I believe this is a bug. It should, in this case and IMO, report a positive signature verification. - -- Derek Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - I prefer mail encrypted with PGP/GPG! GnuPG Key ID: 0x81CFE75D Retrieve my public key at http://pgp.mit.edu Learn more about it at http://www.gnupg.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8Ow3fdjdlQoHP510RAh/8AKCjduMhvG5xABMYjBL74jf4Df3vqgCfbcIM 69kdIjsidLplUYzwd+BpFoM= =Hnvp -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Can't send mail from my profile
René Clerc [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you set editor to , mutt will use the environment variable EDITOR; make sure this is set (and exported) in your .profile or an alike file. Wouldn't Mutt actually ignore $EDITOR if $VISUAL is set? Nick, it's probably a good idea to set VISUAL=vim, anyway, since many other applications will then know what editor you prefer. Sam
Re: Mutt sucks less than the rest
* mike ledoux ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 09:22:45AM +0100, René Clerc wrote: I couldn't _disagree_ with you more. For example, C source code is text to: I bet you'll want your editor to know that it's editing C source code ;) I'd perhaps disagree that it should know what it's editing at all times, but I would agree that a text editor should be able to be told search for /^-- $/ and delete anything after it. You'd lose that bet. I don't buy into the emacs philosophy. Or the Vim philosophy? Or the $insert_some_non_trivial_editor philosophy? Who's do you buy into, Pico? Ed? Ex? Notepad? :) -- Thomas 'Freaky' Hurst - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.aagh.net/ - While your friend holds you affectionately by both your hands you are safe, for you can watch both of his.
Re: Can't send mail from my profile
Wouldn't Mutt actually ignore $EDITOR if $VISUAL is set? Nick, it's probably a good idea to set VISUAL=vim, anyway, since many other applications will then know what editor you prefer. Sounds fine to me Sam, I don't know what VISUAL is though? I presume it's a config var, I'll go look it up on the manual. Is that why I sometimes see headers with X-editor: Vim? How will other apps know what I prefer if this is a mutt thing? -- Nick Wilson Tel:+45 3325 0688 Fax:+45 3325 0677 Web:www.explodingnet.com msg22592/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: signed emails, why ?
On Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 07:08:00 -0800, Gary Johnson wrote: As I said, for other mailboxes I use a script that is more selective: sed ' /^\[-- Autoview using .* --]$/d /^\[-- Attachment .* --]$/d /^\[-- Type: .* --]$/d ' But this will also remove these strings when they are in the body, wouldn't it? -- Vincent Lefèvre [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Web: http://www.vinc17.org/ - 100% validated HTML - Acorn Risc PC, Yellow Pig 17, Championnat International des Jeux Mathématiques et Logiques, TETRHEX, etc. Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / SPACES project at LORIA
Re: Can't send mail from my profile
* Nick Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [08-01-2002 16:51]: | | Wouldn't Mutt actually ignore $EDITOR if $VISUAL is set? | | Nick, it's probably a good idea to set VISUAL=vim, anyway, since | many other applications will then know what editor you prefer. | | Sounds fine to me Sam, I don't know what VISUAL is though? | I presume it's a config var, I'll go look it up on the manual. | Is that why I sometimes see headers with X-editor: Vim? $EDITOR and $VISUAL are environment variables. Programmes read them, and use values that are set. Try and type 'set' at a shell prompt. They are usually set system wide in /etc/profile, and per user, if you use bash (you probably will) in ~/.bash_profile. Check it out! | How will other apps know what I prefer if this is a mutt thing? Through environment variables ;) -- René Clerc - ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Beware how you take away hope from another human being. -Oliver Wendell Holmes msg22594/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: send-hook ~t and autoedit
On Jan 8, Hanspeter Roth wrote: It seems to me send-hook ~t is not working with autoedit and edit_headers set. This is a bug, isn't it? Why should it be considered a bug? Autoedit per definition skips the send-menu, and as the recipient is still unknown when you enter the editor, send-hooks naturally cannot work. So if you want to use send-hooks, you have to unset autoedit, period. Sometimes you just can't have it both ways, and have to choose. Holger
Re: Mutt sucks less than the rest
Thus spake Derek D. Martin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): - pgp userid identification Despite the fact that I've composed an e-mail to a person whose e-mail address matches exactly one of the userid's in my gpg key ring, and despite the fact that gpg will select the correct key every time when invoked seperately on the command line, mutt insists on prompting me to choose between several keys with somewhat similar e-mail addresses attached to them. No one's addressed this so I'll assume there's currently no way to fix it. If this is intentional behavior, I'm very curious as to the rational. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I consider this broken. I don't know about you, but I'd like to have a final confirmation of whose key I'm encrypting with before I send a message. For my close friends, I have a send-hook set up (to encrypt) and that searches for their key(s), but never prompts me. All of the others will prompt, and I think this is usually because the key(s) have more than one UID associated with them. I'm not sure how selecting a different UID on the same key would make a difference, though... -- Justin R. Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] View my website at http://codesorcery.net Please encrypt email using key 0xC9C40C31 msg22596/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Can't send mail from my profile
Nick Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sounds fine to me Sam, I don't know what VISUAL is though? I presume it's a config var, I'll go look it up on the manual. Sorry, I think I was unclear: VISUAL is an environment variable. It isn't Mutt-specific. You might want to look at the documentation for your shell for more information. If you use bash, putting export VISUAL=vim in your .bash_profile or .bashrc should set the variable for future sessions. info bash will show take you to the bash documentation. (I'm guessing you use bash since it's the default shell in most GNU/Linux distributions.) If you have VISUAL set in your environment, you shouldn't need to set the Mutt editor variable, although it certainly doesn't hurt to do so. Is that why I sometimes see headers with X-editor: Vim? No, that's actually an extra header people add because they want others to know they use Vim. Sam
applying pgp-outlook patch
Hi all When I pick up mails using Outlook I get 2 attachments. One containing my email message and the other the pgp signiture. I was told that the pgp-outlook patch would correct this but I'm not having any luck. What I'm looking for is someone that has maybe applied this patch to give me a hand as I'm not certain I'm doing it right. Many thans -- Nick Wilson Tel:+45 3325 0688 Fax:+45 3325 0677 Web:www.explodingnet.com msg22598/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: signed emails, why ?
On Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 04:50:42PM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: On Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 07:08:00 -0800, Gary Johnson wrote: As I said, for other mailboxes I use a script that is more selective: sed ' /^\[-- Autoview using .* --]$/d /^\[-- Attachment .* --]$/d /^\[-- Type: .* --]$/d ' But this will also remove these strings when they are in the body, wouldn't it? Yes, it would. And for that reason it would be better if mutt had options to turn some of these off. However, with the exception of an earlier post to this thread, I've never seen the string ^[-- within a message body. (Yes, I know, I wouldn't see it even if it was there, but when one is in a message body, it is usually surrounded by text that indicates its presence.) So for me, the annoyance of removing too many of them is less than the annoyance of seeing all of them. Gary -- Gary Johnson | Agilent Technologies [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Spokane, Washington, USA http://www.spocom.com/users/gjohnson/mutt/ |
Re: send-hook ~t and autoedit
On Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 06:03:19PM +0200, Holger Lillqvist wrote: On Jan 8, Hanspeter Roth wrote: It seems to me send-hook ~t is not working with autoedit and edit_headers set. This is a bug, isn't it? Why should it be considered a bug? Autoedit per definition skips the send-menu, and as the recipient is still unknown when you enter the editor, send-hooks naturally cannot work. So if you want to use send-hooks, you have to unset autoedit, period. Sometimes you just can't have it both ways, and have to choose. Ok if I turn autoedit off and if I change the recipient during the editing session or after the editing session in the compose menu the hooks for the recipient after the initial send-menu are still aplied!? This seems ugly to me. Why not reevaluate the send-hooks after the editing session and after changing the recipient in the compose menu? -Hanspeter
Re: Can't send mail from my profile
Nick Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sorry, I think I was unclear: VISUAL is an environment variable. It isn't Mutt-specific. You might want to look at the documentation for your shell for more information. If you use bash, putting export VISUAL=vim in your .bash_profile or .bashrc should set the variable for future sessions. info bash will show take you to the bash documentation. (I'm guessing you use bash since it's the default shell in most GNU/Linux distributions.) If you have VISUAL set in your environment, you shouldn't need to set the Mutt editor variable, although it certainly doesn't hurt to do so. Is that why I sometimes see headers with X-editor: Vim? No, that's actually an extra header people add because they want others to know they use Vim. Sam Thanks Sam, I'll get on it! -- Nick Wilson Tel:+45 3325 0688 Fax:+45 3325 0677 Web:www.explodingnet.com msg22601/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Mutt sucks less than the rest
mike ledoux [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't buy into the idea that the editor should be the beginning and the end of my interaction with the system. I expect a text editor to be good at editing text--nothing more, nothing less. To insist that the editor should know the difference between editing email, C source, or an X pixmap runs counter to the Unix philosophy. This is a complete non-sequitor. Just because my editor recognizes the .c extension doesn't mean it's the beginning and the end of my interaction with the system. And I don't see how recognizing C source files runs counter to the UNIX philosophy: the editor is still dedicated to editing *text*. If you really care, I use vi--*not* vim. I'm comfortable with both ed and ex, but I wouldn't want to use them for email if I could avoid it. Real UNIX users only compose email with ed, no doubt about it! ;-) Sam
Re: Exchange calendar management, was: evolution
There is some company who makes an Exchange client, for I think at least Linux and Solaris. I forget who it is, but it's supposed to be rather good. -Ken
Re: signed emails, why ?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 At some point hitherto, mike ledoux hath spake thusly: On Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 10:18:55AM -0500, Derek D. Martin wrote: That's interesting. I didn't realize mutt would do that. Though in THIS case, it SHOULD match, and should be considered verified by mutt. Note that the only difference between the e-mail address in my key and the e-mail address I sent the mail from is the +mutt detail, which is essentially a comment and does not affect mail delivery, as specified by RFC 822. Err, RFC 822 doesn't specify any detail about what the local-part of the address should look like. Ok, you're right. So, where the hell does the +detail come from? I just did a quick google search for a variety of combinations of plus detail e-mail address and turned up nothing. I could swear I'd seen it in an RFC. - -- Derek Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - I prefer mail encrypted with PGP/GPG! GnuPG Key ID: 0x81CFE75D Retrieve my public key at http://pgp.mit.edu Learn more about it at http://www.gnupg.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8OxuNdjdlQoHP510RAkooAKC7beYUmNreou3mPnNhRRW0iqmAzgCgphp+ kFF4gaV6hMaIkl4AMMUK5iI= =tYQe -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Mutt sucks less than the rest
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 At some point hitherto, Justin R. Miller hath spake thusly: Thus spake Derek D. Martin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): - pgp userid identification Despite the fact that I've composed an e-mail to a person whose e-mail address matches exactly one of the userid's in my gpg key ring, and despite the fact that gpg will select the correct key every time when invoked seperately on the command line, mutt insists on prompting me to choose between several keys with somewhat similar e-mail addresses attached to them. No one's addressed this so I'll assume there's currently no way to fix it. If this is intentional behavior, I'm very curious as to the rational. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I consider this broken. I don't know about you, but I'd like to have a final confirmation of whose key I'm encrypting with before I send a message. Well it certainly can be made an option... But can you tell me what possible reason you'd have for encrypting mail to someone to whom you're not sending it? This makes no sense to me at all. Have you EVER done this? For my close friends, I have a send-hook set up (to encrypt) and that searches for their key(s), but never prompts me. All of the others will prompt, and I think this is usually because the key(s) have more than one UID associated with them. I'm not sure how selecting a different UID on the same key would make a difference, though... The only time I'm ever prompted is when a) the person I'm sending to has an e-mail address on their key that is similar to another e-mail address I have in my keyring, or b) when I have not signed the key of the person in question. I have multiple UIDs on my key, and have other keys with multiple UIDs, and I'm not prompted when I send to those keys. - -- Derek Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - I prefer mail encrypted with PGP/GPG! GnuPG Key ID: 0x81CFE75D Retrieve my public key at http://pgp.mit.edu Learn more about it at http://www.gnupg.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8Ox0mdjdlQoHP510RAjMbAJ41lAjxhsPAwnA+v0uu3a358RiNrgCglkZA PvdckVRn8RTclueIzWbQXkI= =/WYV -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: recipient as default subject
Jeremy, et al -- ...and then Jeremy Blosser said... % % On Jan 07, David T-G [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: % It appears that the recipient is now (1.3.25) provided as the default % subject. At least, as far as I can tell it is, and I even went back ... % % FWIW I don't see this behaviour at all using 1.3.25. And I know there's % nothing like this in the standard options because I just went through all % of them again this weekend. Sounds like it's something non-standard going % on. Very interesting. Thanks for the confirmation; I will now try with an empty muttrc and see if I can track it down. It sure is a pain! :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg22606/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: applying pgp-outlook patch
Thus spake Nick Wilson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): When I pick up mails using Outlook I get 2 attachments. One containing my email message and the other the pgp signiture. I was told that the pgp-outlook patch would correct this but I'm not having any luck. What I'm looking for is someone that has maybe applied this patch to give me a hand as I'm not certain I'm doing it right. On a somewhat related note, for anyone who didn't know, Debian for a few versions now has supported this patch already in the sid package. -- Justin R. Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] View my website at http://codesorcery.net Please encrypt email using key 0xC9C40C31 msg22607/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Deleted Messages
I want messages to disappear after I mark them deleted or saved. Is there a way to do this in Mutt? Thanks, Todd = Todd Kokoszka 25, rue Richard Lenoir 75011 Paris Tel. 01.43.72.77.08 __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/
Re: applying pgp-outlook patch
Nick -- ...and then Nick Wilson said... % % Hi all % When I pick up mails using Outlook I get 2 attachments. One containing % my email message and the other the pgp signiture. Right. % % I was told that the pgp-outlook patch would correct this but I'm not % having any luck. You have to both set $pgp_create_traditional (which is a stock part of mutt) and $pgp_outlook_compat (which appears thanks to the patch). % % What I'm looking for is someone that has maybe applied this patch to % give me a hand as I'm not certain I'm doing it right. Something like tar xpfz mutt-1.3.25i.tar.gz cd mutt-1.3.25 patch ../patch-1.3.15.sw.pgp-outlook.1 ./configure make should get you started. You can see my 00.configure.sh and 00.makeme.sh scripts on my build cocktail page for more detail; I set some options in the configure script and apply all of the patches in the makeme script, which then calls the configure script and then runs the make. [All of those sections at the bottom of makeme are copy-n-paste fodder to answer the questions from patch when it says I can't find doc/muttrc.man; what should I patch? so that I don't have to type in 'doc/muttrc.man' to tell it. *sigh* I hear that that's avoidable but now don't remember the specifics and in any case haven't had time to dig into it...] % % Many thans No proble % -- % % Nick Wilson % % Tel: +45 3325 0688 % Fax: +45 3325 0677 % Web: www.explodingnet.com % % % HTH HAND :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg22609/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: send-hook ~t and autoedit
On Jan 8, Hanspeter Roth wrote: Why not reevaluate the send-hooks after the editing session and after changing the recipient in the compose menu? For instance, send-hooks can be used to insert different signatures matching certain addresses (inserting sigs in different languages, etc.). Re-evaluating the send-hook at exit means deleting that sig and inserting another - a rather complex operation... Holger
Re: Exchange calendar management, was: evolution
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 At some point hitherto, Ken Weingold hath spake thusly: There is some company who makes an Exchange client, for I think at least Linux and Solaris. I forget who it is, but it's supposed to be rather good. HP OpenMail - -- Derek Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - I prefer mail encrypted with PGP/GPG! GnuPG Key ID: 0x81CFE75D Retrieve my public key at http://pgp.mit.edu Learn more about it at http://www.gnupg.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8OyI+djdlQoHP510RAgN4AJ0R5XoUsueJtCKFC9e3+YlavxMPOQCgpJSe VAxfP+Pv5g5cbpCbHoIgT5E= =aAeK -END PGP SIGNATURE-
strange TABs in header
Dear Mutters, I suspect that it doesn't have anything to do with mutt, but I don't know who else to ask. The thing is that all of a sudden all mails from a friend of mine (who also uses mutt) have TABs in these three header lines: From:TABname etc To:TABname etc Date:TABdate We have no idea why this happened. So far I didn't even notice it, but now that I use SpamAssassin to filter out my spams (works great!) it complained that these TABs weren't RFC822 compatible. Anyone has seen this before or knows where it could come from? Thanks, Andy. -- Dr. Andy Spiegl, Radio Marañón, Jaén, Perú E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://spiegl.de, http://radiomaranon.org.pe PGP/GPG: see headers o _ _ _ --- __o __o /\_ _ \\o (_)\__/o (_) -o) - _`\,__`\,__(_) (_)/_\_| \ _|/' \/ /\\ (_)/ (_) (_)/ (_) (_)(_) (_)(_)' _\o__\_v Ceterum censeo Microsoftem esse delendam!
Re: Deleted Messages
Todd Kokoszka [EMAIL PROTECTED] [08 Jan 2002 08:32 -0800]: I want messages to disappear after I mark them deleted or saved. Is there a way to do this in Mutt? You could make a macro like this: macro pager d delete-messagesync-mailbox HTH (untested) cheers j -- http://www.epic.org - Electronic Privacy Information Center msg22613/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: signed emails, why ?
On Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 11:51:41 -0500, mike ledoux wrote: AFAIK, it is a sendmail feature that most other MTAs have emulated. But qmail uses '-' instead of '+'. Therefore, the reader mustn't assume anything. -- Vincent Lefèvre [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Web: http://www.vinc17.org/ - 100% validated HTML - Acorn Risc PC, Yellow Pig 17, Championnat International des Jeux Mathématiques et Logiques, TETRHEX, etc. Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / SPACES project at LORIA
Re: Can't send mail from my profile
On 2002.01.08, in [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Nick Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sounds fine to me Sam, I don't know what VISUAL is though?
I presume it's a config var, I'll go look it up on the manual.
Is that why I sometimes see headers with X-editor: Vim?
How will other apps know what I prefer if this is a mutt thing?
To add a little to this: EDITOR and VISUAL are common environment
variables, and are not particular to any program, application, or suite.
They're just traditional variables for specifying your preferred editor
in. Traditionally, EDITOR should specify a line editor, and VISUAL
should specify a full-screen editor. Not many people use ed, ex, and the
line anymore, though, so it's common to use them interchangeably for
full-screen or graphical editors now.
A common Bourne shell idiom is this:
editor=${VISUAL:-${EDITOR:-vi}}
...
${editor} ${filename}
which illustrates the relationship: first use $VISUAL if it is defined,
because a full-screen editor is usually preferred; then use $EDITOR if
$VISUAL is not defined or is empty. If neither is set, fall back on vi,
because one can almost always rely on its being present even when other
screen editors are not.
But many programs refer to these variables for your editor preferences,
so if you pretty much always want the same editor, it's promising to set
$VISUAL and $EDITOR to your favorite.
--
-D.[EMAIL PROTECTED]NSITUniversity of Chicago
Re: Deleted Messages
Todd -- ...and then Todd Kokoszka said... % % I want messages to disappear after I mark them deleted % or saved. Is there a way to do this in Mutt? Just synchronize your mailbox. With the default bindings, hit '$' and anything with a 'D' by it will disappear. % % Thanks, HTH HAND % Todd :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg22616/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: applying pgp-outlook patch
* David T-G [EMAIL PROTECTED] [020108 18:18]: Nick -- ...and then Nick Wilson said... % % Hi all % When I pick up mails using Outlook I get 2 attachments. One containing % my email message and the other the pgp signiture. Right. % % I was told that the pgp-outlook patch would correct this but I'm not % having any luck. You have to both set $pgp_create_traditional (which is a stock part of mutt) and $pgp_outlook_compat (which appears thanks to the patch). Yeah, I was staying away from that as the manual said it was higly deprecated. I take it that the $pgp_outlook_compat sorts out the body of the email and the $pgp_create_traditional puts a --clearsign sig at the foot of the mail rather than attach it? % % What I'm looking for is someone that has maybe applied this patch to % give me a hand as I'm not certain I'm doing it right. Something like tar xpfz mutt-1.3.25i.tar.gz cd mutt-1.3.25 patch ../patch-1.3.15.sw.pgp-outlook.1 ./configure make Okay, I have tried this tar xzvf mutt.1.3.25i.tar.gz cd mutt-1.3.25 ./configure --enable-pop --enable-imap make make install .and then patch -i patch-1.3.15.sw.pgp-outlook.1 (patch in same dir) ./configure --enable-pop --enable-imap make make install and that wasn't having an effect. I saw nothin in the man page for patch like what you've suggested (though i'm sure you are right)? should get you started. You can see my 00.configure.sh and 00.makeme.sh scripts on my build cocktail page for more detail; I set some options in the configure script and apply all of the patches in the makeme script, which then calls the configure script and then runs the make. [All of those sections at the bottom of makeme are copy-n-paste fodder to answer the questions from patch when it says I can't find doc/muttrc.man; what should I patch? so that I don't have to type in 'doc/muttrc.man' to tell it. *sigh* I hear that that's avoidable but now don't remember the specifics and in any case haven't had time to dig into it...] As I'm sure you can see I'm really not that expert at compiling/patching and generally fiddling around so if there is a simple all-in-one idiots way to get all I need then let me have at it! I'd appreciate your comments on the difference between what I was trying and what you have suggested, inexperience does not mean I don't want to learn a trick or two :) Many thanks for your time on this -- Nick Wilson Tel:+45 3325 0688 Fax:+45 3325 0677 Web:www.explodingnet.com msg22617/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Can't send mail from my profile
* David Champion [EMAIL PROTECTED] [020108 18:42]:
On 2002.01.08, in [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Nick Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sounds fine to me Sam, I don't know what VISUAL is though?
I presume it's a config var, I'll go look it up on the manual.
Is that why I sometimes see headers with X-editor: Vim?
How will other apps know what I prefer if this is a mutt thing?
To add a little to this: EDITOR and VISUAL are common environment
variables, and are not particular to any program, application, or suite.
They're just traditional variables for specifying your preferred editor
in. Traditionally, EDITOR should specify a line editor, and VISUAL
should specify a full-screen editor. Not many people use ed, ex, and the
line anymore, though, so it's common to use them interchangeably for
full-screen or graphical editors now.
A common Bourne shell idiom is this:
editor=${VISUAL:-${EDITOR:-vi}}
...
${editor} ${filename}
which illustrates the relationship: first use $VISUAL if it is defined,
because a full-screen editor is usually preferred; then use $EDITOR if
$VISUAL is not defined or is empty. If neither is set, fall back on vi,
because one can almost always rely on its being present even when other
screen editors are not.
But many programs refer to these variables for your editor preferences,
so if you pretty much always want the same editor, it's promising to set
$VISUAL and $EDITOR to your favorite.
And the simple way would be
export VISUAL=vi
export EDITOR=vi
I guess?
--
Nick Wilson
Tel:+45 3325 0688
Fax:+45 3325 0677
Web:www.explodingnet.com
msg22618/pgp0.pgp
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Re: Mutt sucks less than the rest
On 8-Jan-2002 10:55 Justin R. Miller wrote: | | I don't know about you, but I'd like to have a final confirmation of | whose key I'm encrypting with before I send a message. For my close | friends, I have a send-hook set up (to encrypt) and that searches for | their key(s), but never prompts me. All of the others will prompt, and | I think this is usually because the key(s) have more than one UID | associated with them. I'm not sure how selecting a different UID on the | same key would make a difference, though... Still, it's a common complaint that pgp-hook makes more work for anyone that uses it. Although the documentation would suggest otherwise, pgp-hook only provides a hint about the key to use and doesn't actually select a key at all. I don't think anyone finds this behaviour intuitive, making it undesirable. My patch (optionally) eliminates this behaviour and it also does the key selection too (optionally), but only if there is only one matching key. Keys with more than one UID are considered one key, but the UIDs are not ignored for the purposes of matching. If the key has not been signed, then the standard behaviour of selecting from a list is used. Whatever you might be doing, this is probably easier: set pgp_confirmhook=no send-hook . set pgp_autoselectkey=no pgp-hook friend ... send-hook friend set pgp_autoselectkey=yes I think the behaviour when pgp_autoselectkey is always set is still reasonable (for most people). -- -Dale
Re: applying pgp-outlook patch
Thus spake Nick Wilson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): As I'm sure you can see I'm really not that expert at compiling/patching and generally fiddling around so if there is a simple all-in-one idiots way to get all I need then let me have at it! I'd appreciate your comments on the difference between what I was trying and what you have suggested, inexperience does not mean I don't want to learn a trick or two :) Something else you may want to try is to use 'alien' to get an RPM or tarball out of the .deb that I mentioned. You can download the .deb from packages.debian.org (search unstable). -- Justin R. Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] View my website at http://codesorcery.net Please encrypt email using key 0xC9C40C31 msg22620/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Mailbox is read-only
Quick question. I just upgraded mutt from 1.2.5i to Mutt 1.3.25i Because of the security change. Problem is that my main inbox (my spoolfile I belive) is now giving me Mailbox is read-only. when ever I try to do any operations on it. The important part of my .muttrc is here: set spoolfile=/var/spool/mail/troyhebe set folder=~/tmail # where i keep my mailboxes set mbox=+inbox The only thing I did was upgrade mutt versions. Am I missing something stuipd? Thanks, Troy
Re: applying pgp-outlook patch
Hey Nick Nick Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [08 Jan 2002 18:34 +0100]: * David T-G [EMAIL PROTECTED] [020108 18:18]: Nick -- ...and then Nick Wilson said... % % Hi all % When I pick up mails using Outlook I get 2 attachments. One containing % my email message and the other the pgp signiture. Right. % % I was told that the pgp-outlook patch would correct this but I'm not % having any luck. You have to both set $pgp_create_traditional (which is a stock part of mutt) and $pgp_outlook_compat (which appears thanks to the patch). Yeah, I was staying away from that as the manual said it was higly deprecated. I take it that the $pgp_outlook_compat sorts out the body of the email and the $pgp_create_traditional puts a --clearsign sig at the foot of the mail rather than attach it? Sigh. This is a religious war, and you should know that before you accidentally get into a skermish ;-) It's still an application/pgp message. This fixed all foreign mailers I deal with except my Dad (Outlook Express, 5.something - unable to read what appeared to be an attachment) and my boss (Netscape Messenger 4.76 I think, on Solaris - could read, but doesn't get quoted in reply). My preference is to clearsign the actual text buffer, so I can choose which attachment(s) to sign. Then it's sent as plain text, and recipients can decide what to do with it. As the various postings to this list suggest, if you're a mutt user (I've heard there's one other mailer that supports OpenPGP, and application/pgp is no more) you can write a nifty procmail script or just press esc-P; I'd rather live with that requirement than requiring that Outlook Express users like my Dad figure out how to reconfigure their MUA, or (heaven forbid) how to uninstall it and install something a little more civilized. Someone posted a macro, something like this: macro compose S |gpg --clearsign\n or some such. You can make it happen automatically by putting it at the beginning of your send-message macro. Oh, and I have a bunch of hooks for using OpenPGP instead, to mail to the mutt lists :) cheers j -- http://www.epic.org - Electronic Privacy Information Center msg22622/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Deleted Messages
On 2002.01.08, in [EMAIL PROTECTED], Todd Kokoszka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want messages to disappear after I mark them deleted or saved. Is there a way to do this in Mutt? When the view limit is set to !~D, deleted message are present, but not visible in the index view. Unforunately, the limit is only applied when you set a limit, not continuously, so you need to re-apply the limit with each deletion. macro index d delete-messagelimit!~Denter You'll still need to sync-mailbox ($) to remove them from the folder, but using limit is much faster than synchronizing after each delete. I like my deleted messages to fade away, too, but using a limit is a little more trouble than I want (I can't really use other limits this way) and I sometimes want to find messages marked for deletion again before I sync. So I just use colors, instead. color index brightblack default ~D My terminal background color and my brightblack are similar colors, so deleted messages take extra effort to find -- they effectively vanish from casual view, while remaining present if I really want to find them. -- -D.[EMAIL PROTECTED]NSITUniversity of Chicago
Re: Mailbox is read-only
Thus spake Troy Heber ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Quick question. I just upgraded mutt from 1.2.5i to Mutt 1.3.25i Because of the security change. Problem is that my main inbox (my spoolfile I belive) is now giving me Mailbox is read-only. when ever I try to do any operations on it. The important part of my .muttrc is here: set spoolfile=/var/spool/mail/troyhebe set folder=~/tmail # where i keep my mailboxes set mbox=+inbox The only thing I did was upgrade mutt versions. Am I missing something stuipd? Did you upgrade from source? Because I know that the Debian package for one had a bug in one of the revisions that set bad permissions on some locking feature of mutt. It wasn't a mutt bug per se though. -- Justin R. Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] View my website at http://codesorcery.net Please encrypt email using key 0xC9C40C31 msg22624/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
charset=ks_c_5601-1987 - ???
Mutt decodes messages with the following charset to only a bunch of question marks: Content-Type: text/html; charset=ks_c_5601-1987 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Is this anything I should be able to read with hangul fonts? Sven [getting a lot of weird emails lately] -- Sven Guckes[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/mutt/setup.html
Re: applying pgp-outlook patch
Jonathan Irving wrote: It's still an application/pgp message. i've proposed to the dev list that this be changed before the next full release. it seems silly to cling to a standard that was withdrawn, and that no other MUAs take advantage of / can read. since pgp/mime is the 'standard', at least the 'non-standard' and 'deprecated' way should work in a way that is useful. As the various postings to this list suggest, if you're a mutt user (I've heard there's one other mailer that supports OpenPGP, and application/pgp is no more) well there aren't too many, but there are some. evolution (surprisingly) and sylpheed (IIRC) for *nix both have support for OpenPGP, and there's a plugin for becky! (on windoze) that can do this as well. rant the unfortunate reality is that most of the people who are doing stuff for gnupg and such aren't that interested in making an easy to use plugin for windoze. while most of us (ie computer geeks / mutt users) might not like windoze, the fact of the matter is that we have to communicate with people who do on a daily basis. it's going to be difficult to gain more widespread adoption for the OpenPGP standards on windows until someone makes an easy to use (and install) version of GnuPG for 'doze, and until someone makes a plugin for Outlook Express for it. so... in the meantime, i think we need to make our client play nice with theirs. 'use mutt' isn't really something i'm going to tell any of my family members anytime soon; ditto for most of my co-workers. /rant
Re: Mailbox is read-only
Troy -- ...and then Troy Heber said... % % Quick question. I just upgraded mutt from 1.2.5i to Mutt 1.3.25i Because of % the security change. Problem is that my main inbox (my spoolfile I belive) % is now giving me Mailbox is read-only. when ever I try to do any ... % set spoolfile=/var/spool/mail/troyhebe 1) Do other mailboxes have this problem? 2) Did you do the upgrade, or did you have root do it? I believe there was an option in 1.2 (at least) which let you install mutt with special permissions instead of using mutt_dotlock; as a normal user, though, you wouldn't be able to install your mutt that way (or the new mutt_dotlock, either). Take a look at the output of ls -lF /path/to/old/mutt* /path/to/new/mutt* and see which (at least *some* should) have special permissions like -rwxr-sr-x 1 bin mail16995 Sep 8 06:56 mutt_dotlock* (note the 's' on the group permissions and the mail groupship). % set folder=~/tmail # where i keep my mailboxes % set mbox=+inbox % % The only thing I did was upgrade mutt versions. Am I missing something % stuipd? Not stupid, but common nonetheless. % % Thanks, HTH HAND % % Troy :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg22627/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: applying pgp-outlook patch
Nick -- ...and then Nick Wilson said... % % * David T-G [EMAIL PROTECTED] [020108 18:18]: % % ...and then Nick Wilson said... % % % % I was told that the pgp-outlook patch would correct this but I'm not % % having any luck. % % You have to both set $pgp_create_traditional (which is a stock part of % mutt) and $pgp_outlook_compat (which appears thanks to the patch). % % Yeah, I was staying away from that as the manual said it was higly % deprecated. *smile* As Jonathan said, this is something of a religious war. Both subtle variations of the same abominable method are frowned upon (there, how's that for stating my position? ;-) The new setting is only useful when the stock setting is turned on. % % I take it that the $pgp_outlook_compat sorts out the body of the email % and the $pgp_create_traditional puts a --clearsign sig at the foot of % the mail rather than attach it? That sounds about right, but I haven't actually dug into it much. In looking at the headers I've seen [surprisingly] little difference between turning on one and turning on both; perhaps I should have been looking farther down :-) % % % % % What I'm looking for is someone that has maybe applied this patch to % % give me a hand as I'm not certain I'm doing it right. % % Something like % %tar xpfz mutt-1.3.25i.tar.gz %cd mutt-1.3.25 %patch ../patch-1.3.15.sw.pgp-outlook.1 %./configure %make % % Okay, % I have tried this % % tar xzvf mutt.1.3.25i.tar.gz % cd mutt-1.3.25 % ./configure --enable-pop --enable-imap % make % make install % % .and then % % patch -i patch-1.3.15.sw.pgp-outlook.1 (patch in same dir) % ./configure --enable-pop --enable-imap % make % make install % % and that wasn't having an effect. For one thing, you have to be sure to have both on, and I'm not sure that you ever got that far. For another, though, although it seems to me that the change should be big enough to cause the proper bits to be recompiled, it would probably be best if you at least did a make clean make after your patching if you didn't patch on clean source before even running configure and make. % I saw nothin in the man page for patch like what you've suggested % (though i'm sure you are right)? I keep my patches in the parent directory, which leads to the ../ part, and -i FILE is effectively the same as FILE; we're doing it the same way. % % % should get you started. You can see my 00.configure.sh and 00.makeme.sh ... % % As I'm sure you can see I'm really not that expert at compiling/patching % and generally fiddling around so if there is a simple all-in-one idiots % way to get all I need then let me have at it! I'm workin' on it :-) You could also grab the -05 tar file from the clean directory and un-tar and then configure and make, but you'd get all of the rest of my patches, too ;-) % % I'd appreciate your comments on the difference between what I was trying % and what you have suggested, inexperience does not mean I don't want to % learn a trick or two :) Don't we all! % % Many thanks for your time on this HTH HAND % % -- % % Nick Wilson % % Tel: +45 3325 0688 % Fax: +45 3325 0677 % Web: www.explodingnet.com % :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg22628/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: applying pgp-outlook patch
At this point I have to agree with this sentiment. After six years, we are really no furthur to the point of OpenPGP/MIME acceptance. I've personally taken to just using a macro in VIM to invoke gpg messages because I have to deal with a large number of Outlook users. I endorse changing pgp_create_traditional such that for text/plain messages it doesn't alter the content-type. me
Re: applying pgp-outlook patch
Will, et al -- ...and then Will Yardley said... % % Jonathan Irving wrote: % % It's still an application/pgp message. % % i've proposed to the dev list that this be changed before the next full % release. it seems silly to cling to a standard that was withdrawn, and % that no other MUAs take advantage of / can read. My general (but quite uninformed) opinion would be to go along with it as long as it didn't break the mailers that currently do handle messages sent with $p_c_t set as it is. Has anyone poked around? I'd hate to have to find a $pgp_anythingbutoutlook_compat patch to talk non-MIME with someone not stuck in Outhouse... % % since pgp/mime is the 'standard', at least the 'non-standard' and % 'deprecated' way should work in a way that is useful. Agreed. % % As the various postings to this list suggest, if you're a mutt user % (I've heard there's one other mailer that supports OpenPGP, and % application/pgp is no more) % % well there aren't too many, but there are some. % evolution (surprisingly) and sylpheed (IIRC) for *nix both have support % for OpenPGP, and there's a plugin for becky! (on windoze) that can do % this as well. Good to know. % % rant % the unfortunate reality is that most of the people who are doing stuff ... % % so... in the meantime, i think we need to make our client play nice with % theirs. Agreed. $p_c_t and $p_o_c do that (with the possible limitation of using a macro for non-plain-ascii or with-attachments messages), and it would be nice if one setting could work for all of the non-MIME mailers out that that will handle PGP/gpg anyway (eg not mailx and so on, where it wouldn't really matter). % % 'use mutt' isn't really something i'm going to tell any of my family % members anytime soon; ditto for most of my co-workers. Unfortunately, that's probably a pretty common situation. % /rant HAND :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg22630/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: applying pgp-outlook patch
At 10:24 AM 1/8/2002 -0800, Will Yardley wrote and esj rearranged: it's going to be difficult to gain more widespread adoption for the OpenPGP standards on windows until someone makes an easy to use (and install) version of GnuPG for 'doze, and until someone makes a plugin for Outlook Express for it. http://www.winpt.org/gpgoe.html there are lots of other plug-ins/proxies listed at http://www.gnupg.org/frontends.html rant the unfortunate reality is that most of the people who are doing stuff for gnupg and such aren't that interested in making an easy to use plugin for windoze. while most of us (ie computer geeks / mutt users) might not like windoze, the fact of the matter is that we have to communicate with people who do on a daily basis. I'll argue that most of the PGP crowd isn't interested in making it easy for anyone to use PGP/gnupg. I'm making miniscule progress on camram (http://harvee.billerica.ma.us/camram/dev/) which will provide a barrier against Spam as well make opportunistic encryption possible. It's clearly weak but it is good enough for most people (i.e. envelope grade protection) while not changing how people use their e-mail tools. feel free to lift some of these ideas for mutt although, I hope you'll talk to me first so I can document what is done for interoperability reasons. --- eric
Re: applying pgp-outlook patch
% As I'm sure you can see I'm really not that expert at compiling/patching % and generally fiddling around so if there is a simple all-in-one idiots % way to get all I need then let me have at it! I'm workin' on it :-) You could also grab the -05 tar file from the clean directory and un-tar and then configure and make, but you'd get all of the rest of my patches, too ;-) Well that doesn't sound so bad unless there is anything in there that would need serious configuring just to get mutt running? I presume it would run straight outa the box with my .muttrc once I've turned on those two switches? Mucho grassy arse -- Nick Wilson Tel:+45 3325 0688 Fax:+45 3325 0677 Web:www.explodingnet.com msg22632/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: applying pgp-outlook patch
it's going to be difficult to gain more widespread adoption for the OpenPGP standards on windows until someone makes an easy to use (and install) version of GnuPG for 'doze, and until someone makes a plugin for Outlook Express for it. so... in the meantime, i think we need to make our client play nice with theirs. 'use mutt' isn't really something i'm going to tell any of my family members anytime soon; ditto for most of my co-workers. 100% It's a sad but true fact that many people don't know *how* to open an attachment let alone install a plugin to deal with them. -- Nick Wilson Tel:+45 3325 0688 Fax:+45 3325 0677 Web:www.explodingnet.com msg22633/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: applying pgp-outlook patch
Thus spake Michael Elkins ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): I endorse changing pgp_create_traditional such that for text/plain messages it doesn't alter the content-type. So you're saying to make the Outlook patch standard? I wasn't aware that application/pgp-whatever was withdrawn. If that's the case, then I'm for it too. Would that mean that PGP/MIME would use a different Content-type as well? I'm not quite clear on all the before/after options here. I'm trying to get it straight for my Mutt/GnuPG doc :-) -- Justin R. Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] View my website at http://codesorcery.net Please encrypt email using key 0xC9C40C31 msg22634/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: signed emails, why ?
* Vincent Lefevre [EMAIL PROTECTED] [08-01-2002 18:36]: | On Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 11:51:41 -0500, mike ledoux wrote: | AFAIK, it is a sendmail feature that most other MTAs have emulated. | | But qmail uses '-' instead of '+'. Therefore, the reader mustn't assume | anything. In postfix, it even is a configurable option: recipient_delimiter -- René Clerc - ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) If it's natural to kill why do men have to go into training to learn how? -Joan Baez msg22635/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: applying pgp-outlook patch
Nick -- ...and then Nick Wilson said... % % % As I'm sure you can see I'm really not that expert at compiling/patching % % and generally fiddling around so if there is a simple all-in-one idiots % % way to get all I need then let me have at it! % % I'm workin' on it :-) You could also grab the -05 tar file from the % clean directory and un-tar and then configure and make, but you'd get % all of the rest of my patches, too ;-) % % Well that doesn't sound so bad unless there is anything in there that % would need serious configuring just to get mutt running? It shouldn't need any configuring. See the attachment for `mutt -v` here. % % I presume it would run straight outa the box with my .muttrc once I've % turned on those two switches? Sounds right to me. YMMV though :-) % % % Mucho grassy arse No problemo. % % -- % % Nick Wilson % % Tel: +45 3325 0688 % Fax: +45 3325 0677 % Web: www.explodingnet.com :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! Mutt 1.3.25i (2002-01-01) Copyright (C) 1996-2001 Michael R. Elkins and others. Mutt comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY; for details type `mutt -vv'. Mutt is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions; type `mutt -vv' for details. System: Linux 2.4.5 (i686) [using ncurses 5.0] Compile options: -DOMAIN +DEBUG +HOMESPOOL -USE_SETGID +USE_DOTLOCK +DL_STANDALONE +USE_FCNTL -USE_FLOCK +USE_POP +USE_IMAP -USE_GSS -USE_SSL -USE_SASL +HAVE_REGCOMP -USE_GNU_REGEX +HAVE_COLOR +HAVE_START_COLOR +HAVE_TYPEAHEAD +HAVE_BKGDSET +HAVE_CURS_SET +HAVE_META +HAVE_RESIZETERM +HAVE_PGP -BUFFY_SIZE -EXACT_ADDRESS -SUN_ATTACHMENT +ENABLE_NLS -LOCALES_HACK +COMPRESSED +HAVE_WC_FUNCS +HAVE_LANGINFO_CODESET ++HAVE_LANGINFO_YESEXPR +HAVE_ICONV -ICONV_NONTRANS +HAVE_GETSID +HAVE_GETADDRINFO ISPELL=/usr/bin/ispell SENDMAIL=/usr/sbin/sendmail MAILPATH=Mailbox PKGDATADIR=/home/davidtg/local/share/mutt SYSCONFDIR=/home/davidtg/local/etc EXECSHELL=/bin/sh -MIXMASTER To contact the developers, please mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. To report a bug, please use the flea(1) utility. Patches I have applied (I find this non-standard list helpful) Feature patch: patch-1.3.25.rr.compressed.1 (dtg) Feature patch: patch-0.00.sec.patchlist.8.1.dtg (dtg) Feature patch: %_ 0.94.12 by O'Shaughnessy Evans Feature patch: reverse-reply0.95.4 by Stefan `Sec` Zehl (+ hb) Feature patch: patch-1.1.1.hb.save_alias.1 (dtg) Feature patch: patch-1.3.23.bj.hash_destroy.1 (dtg) Feature patch: patch-1.3.23.bj.my_hdr_subject.1 (dtg) Feature patch: patch-1.3.23.bj.noquote_hdr_term.1 (dtg) Feature patch: patch-1.3.24.bj.status-time.1-dtg (dtg) Feature patch: patch-1.3.23.bj.current_shortcut.1 (dtg) Feature patch: patch-1.3.24.dgc.xlabel_ext.4 (dtg) Feature patch: patch-1.3.24.dgc.deepif.1 (dtg) Feature patch: patch-1.3.24.dgc.attach.2 (dtg) Feature patch: patch-1.3.24.dgc.markmsg.2 (dtg) Feature patch: patch-1.3.24.dgc.unbind.1 (dtg) Feature patch: patch-1.3.24.dgc.isalias.1 (dtg) Feature patch: patch-1.2.mha.resend-fcc.1 (dtg) Feature patch: patch-1.3.25.cd.edit_threads.9.1 (dtg) Feature patch: patch-1.3.24.cd.trash_folder.1 (dtg) Feature patch: patch-1.3.2609.mg.hdrcolor.1 (dtg) Feature patch: patch-1.3.15.sw.pgp-outlook.1 (dtg) Feature patch: patch-1.3.23.2.nr.tag_prefix_cond (dtg) Feature patch: patch-1.3.23.ats.mark_old-1.3.23+cvs-1.diff (dtg) Feature patch: patch-1.3.25i.devl.narrow_tree.1 (dtg) Feature patch: patch-1.3.25.dw.pgp-hook (dtg) msg22636/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: charset=ks_c_5601-1987 - ???
* Sven Guckes [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-01-08 19:22]: Mutt decodes messages with the following charset to only a bunch of question marks: Content-Type: text/html; charset=ks_c_5601-1987 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Is this anything I should be able to read with hangul fonts? Sven [getting a lot of weird emails lately] If you really want to read that email then, you can use w3m or lynx (for html) with hanterm (xterm with Hangul support). http://www.kr.freebsd.org/~hwang/hanterm/hanterm-xf-p18.tar.gz or http://hanterm.org/ Anyway ks_c_5601-1987 is not correct encoding for korean lang, correct one is euc-kr. Message with that header almost 99% is spam. from my .procmailrc entry: :0 * ^Subject: .*ks_c_5601-1987 /dev/null -- Eunjea [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kldp.org/~eunjea/ GnuPG fingerprint: 08C9 2D3F 91B2 D395 2EFF 4C33 544C 321C E194 91CF msg22637/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Mutt sucks less than the rest
* Samuel Padgett [EMAIL PROTECTED] [08-01-2002 17:39]: [all context] | Real UNIX users only compose email with ed, no doubt about it! ;-) Real UNIX users telnet to the SMTP port ;) -- René Clerc - ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) The very essence of leadership is that you have to have a vision. You can't blow an uncertain trumpet. -Theodore Hesburgh msg22638/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
[OT] Re: signed emails, why ?
René Clerc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | But qmail uses '-' instead of '+'. Therefore, the reader mustn't assume | anything. It's configurable in qmail, either system-wide (conf-break) or on a per-address/user basis (qmail-users). It can be '+' or '-' or '|' or 'F' if you like. Charles -- --- Charles Cazabon [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPL'ed software available at: http://www.qcc.sk.ca/~charlesc/software/ ---
maildir (number of lines in index)
Hello all, I did a quick check for maildir in the manual as well as a quick archive search but couldn't hit what I wanted. I just switched a couple of my boxes to maildir to deal with NFS not setting mtime and atime properly. Only trouble so far is that with two new messages I have recieved in those boxes (all I have gotten in there so far), the number of lines show up as ( 0), even though the message is not zero-length (when mutt opens it, in fact, it looks fine). All the messages I converted over to maildir show up properly, but not these new ones. Now, I guess this could be a procmail/fetchmail problem, but I don't see how. Any ideas? RTFMSM ( RTFM - some more)? /db
Re: applying pgp-outlook patch
This would not affect the PGP/MIME support at all. It will continue to function as it always has. I just don't think there is any value in continuing to label application/pgp messages: you should either use PGP/MIME or just clearsign the message without changing the content-type. me
Re: maildir (number of lines in index)
Use procmail to insert a Line: header field if you want that. With maildir, you don't need to read the entire message, just the header, so if that information is not available there, you don't get it. Mutt won't read the body of the message to determine how many lines there are because its very inefficient. me
Re: Attachments and IMAP
Le 08/01/02 à 16:06, Frank Sonnemans écrivit:
I am using mutt 1.3.25i as my IMAP mail client. The problem I am now
having is to attach a file to outgoing mail. When I select the attach
file option followed by show files, I get a list of imap folders on
my server, instead of local files. How do I resolve this?
Enter /tmp (or whatever directory your attached file is in), then hit
[TAB] for the file browser.
Gerhard
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Re: maildir (number of lines in index)
* David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, I did a quick check for maildir in the manual as well as a quick archive search but couldn't hit what I wanted. I just switched a couple of my boxes to maildir to deal with NFS not setting mtime and atime properly. Only trouble so far is that with two new messages I have recieved in those boxes (all I have gotten in there so far), the number of lines show up as ( 0), even though the message is not zero-length (when mutt opens it, in fact, it looks fine). There is the %c that can be used wich will show the number of bytes of the message. All the messages I converted over to maildir show up properly, but not these new ones. Now, I guess this could be a procmail/fetchmail problem, but I don't see how. Not a problem with procmail but can be solved with it by using: :0 Bfhw * H ?? ! ^Lines: * -1^0 * 1^1 ^.*$ | formail -A Lines: $= Then you will have the number of lines shown. Any ideas? RTFMSM ( RTFM - some more)? Never hurts, I'm on about my 5th time alread :) /db Curt -- Any time things appear to be going better, you have overlooked something.
Re: maildir (number of lines in index)
On Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 12:39:27PM -0800, Curt Zirzow wrote: There is the %c that can be used wich will show the number of bytes of the message. Ah, I like that better anyway. I didn't even think about switching it. Sometimes the easiest way is just to go around. :) Not a problem with procmail but can be solved with it by using: :0 Bfhw * H ?? ! ^Lines: * -1^0 * 1^1 ^.*$ | formail -A Lines: $= Then you will have the number of lines shown. Good solution, I'll file that one away if I need it, thanks. Never hurts, I'm on about my 5th time alread :) :) /db
Re: applying pgp-outlook patch
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 % I'm workin' on it :-) You could also grab the -05 tar file from the % clean directory and un-tar and then configure and make, but you'd get % all of the rest of my patches, too ;-) Well, unless you're going to tell me this message is badly signed or something I think I've finally got it. I didn't use your -05 file in the end but managed to sort the patch and the switches. Hooray :) I like the sound of the project though, someone should try to make it all a little easier for the non-10yrs unix programmer types. Only thing I noticed that bothered me when I sent a message to Outlook was this at the top of the body... -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [body of message here] [sig here] It's supposed to just be signed. Is there a need for that top bit? Cheers - -- Nick Wilson Tel:+45 3325 0688 Fax:+45 3325 0677 Web:www.explodingnet.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8O1gjHpvrrTa6L5oRAn+RAJ4yAi4+wb9WHks5Jo8gB0PL8/eepgCdHHu4 p/D5QJCI1u2pDhqEAb2Kyfg= =knPq -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [OT] Re: signed emails, why ?
On Jan 08, Charles Cazabon [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: Ren? Clerc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | But qmail uses '-' instead of '+'. Therefore, the reader mustn't assume | anything. It's configurable in qmail, either system-wide (conf-break) or on a per-address/user basis (qmail-users). It can be '+' or '-' or '|' or 'F' if you like. Forgive me, guys, but this is probably a case in point on the noisy list issue. This no longer has anything to do with Mutt -or- the thread topic. Thanks. msg22647/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Working with mbox
Rob 'Feztaa' Park wrote: Alas! Benjamin Smith spake thus: The ways that script works is by outputting the muttrc to a tempory file, the name of which is outputted for source, but what you can do is just to put: `~/bin/do-whatever.sh` In the muttrc and mutt will interpret the output of the shell script without the need of tempory files. Nope, that was the first thing I tried, didn't work. source $HOME/bin/mutt-prep folders=$HOME/mail| (note the | at the end of the command) should work without a temporary file. Regards... Michael
Re: applying pgp-outlook patch
Nick Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [08 Jan 2002 21:35 +0100]: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [body of message here] [sig here] It's supposed to just be signed. Is there a need for that top bit? The digital signature is, I believe, a SHA1 hash of the message content, encrypted using your private key. The hash is a checksum; the -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- is important to recompute the checksum for verification. That's my recollection of PGP/GPG...I'm likely wrong in detail. -- http://www.epic.org - Electronic Privacy Information Center msg22649/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: applying pgp-outlook patch
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The digital signature is, I believe, a SHA1 hash of the message content, encrypted using your private key. The hash is a checksum; the -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- is important to recompute the checksum for verification. That's my recollection of PGP/GPG...I'm likely wrong in detail. -- http://www.epic.org - Electronic Privacy Information Center Sounds like you're right though, it makes sense. Cheers - -- Nick Wilson Tel:+45 3325 0688 Fax:+45 3325 0677 Web:www.explodingnet.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8O2GoHpvrrTa6L5oRAgEyAJwNh5bW9FvD3T2PSQfA+GeJc8Q7sACgjJXT n7bFhHrSUr1m+To6prJJaFw= =I0XE -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: applying pgp-outlook patch
Michael, et al -- ...and then Michael Elkins said... % % This would not affect the PGP/MIME support at all. It will continue to Oh, no; of course not. % function as it always has. I just don't think there is any value in % continuing to label application/pgp messages: you should either use PGP/MIME % or just clearsign the message without changing the content-type. My concern was simply that those mailers which cannot handle PGP/MIME (but which currently work with application/pgp) should not get broken by a move away from app/pgp (especially to make it easier for LookOut! users ;-) % % me HAND :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg22651/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: What's the trick to getting the sender address set properly?
Hi, I have no much knowledge about sendmail, mutt, etc. but I have a similar network as yours. Perhaps my experience helps. 1. Suppose you have a sendmail or postfix MTA running in your linux box. Send mail by yourself. This avoids rejection by the mail server of your ISP. 2. I run my own DNS and get my registrar having a DNS record to my dynamic IP. (The Cable connection can maintain that IP for long time if thay don't have a problem.) 3. Your DNS should have a MX (mail-exchange) record so that other mail server can drop mails to your domain. I hope this will simplify the problem. charlie
Re: maildir (number of lines in index)
On Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 12:39:27PM -0800, Curt Zirzow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Not a problem with procmail but can be solved with it by using: | | :0 Bfhw | * H ?? ! ^Lines: | * -1^0 | * 1^1 ^.*$ | | formail -A Lines: $= | | Then you will have the number of lines shown. Can you decode that for me? Failing to find -1^0 or such in the procmailrc manual I tried one of my own: :0 Whf: * ! ^Lines: | formail -A Lines: $= (as yet untested). But superficially it looks like it should work. Can you elaborate on what the extras in your recipe are for? -- Cameron Simpson, DoD#743[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.zip.com.au/~cs/ I think it rather sad that people have to resort to crude pictograms to convey their meaning. How many books do you read that use icons to pass on the author's intended message? Smileys are for the illiterata of this age. :) - Nick (the Biker) DoD 1069 OGRI MAG 73516-- M'Lud. (He Who Road Rashly) Work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: signed emails, why ?
Derek, et al -- ...and then Derek D. Martin said... % % At some point hitherto, Justin R. Miller hath spake thusly: % Thus spake Derek D. Martin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): % %The s in the index is sufficient for me if I want to know if a %message is signed. % % Perhaps, but it's not enough to tell you if the message was signed by % the person it clamed to be signed by. % % It changes from 's' to 'S' upon verification. % % Perhaps, but unless I misunderstand how mutt verifies the signature, % even that isn't an indication that the mail was signed by the person % the e-mail claims to be from. AFAIU, it is only an indication that ... % Remember, the point of signing a message is to prove, as conclusively % as possible, that the e-mail originated from whence it claimed to have % originated. That, IMHO, is not the case; the point of signing a message is to prove that the contents were written or approved by the person who signed it. I could write and sign something and have my secretary or brother or grass-roots supporters send it out and both the signature and the content would be no less valid. % % -- % Derek Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] % - % I prefer mail encrypted with PGP/GPG! % GnuPG Key ID: 0x81CFE75D % Retrieve my public key at http://pgp.mit.edu % Learn more about it at http://www.gnupg.org :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg22654/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: handling signed mails (Was: signed emails, why ?)
Jeremy, et al -- ...and then Jeremy Blosser said... % % On Jan 08, Vincent Lefevre [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: % On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 10:16:58 -0800, Gary Johnson wrote: % Why not just 'unset pgp_verify_sig'? That's what I do. % % But is there an option to ask Mutt not to display garbage like % % [-- La sortie PGP suit (heure courante : Tue Jan 8 00:13:02 2002) --] % gpg: Avertissement: l'utilisation de la m?moire n'est pas s?re ! ... % [-- Fin des donn?es sign?es --] % % ? % % The s in the index is sufficient for me if I want to know if a % message is signed. % % I do believe there are some patches out there to limit what is shown; I'm % not sure what exactly they do. There was a condense_pgp patch from Sec Zehl back in the 0.95 days, but it no longer applies and it's quite unsupported. I haven't seen anything else like it... I agree that it would be nice to completely suppress any notion of the pgp-ness of a message, even though I wouldn't want to do so. Meanwhile, your macro idea looks interesting and I look forward to how it turns out. :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg22655/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Mutt sucks less than the rest
Volker - ...and then Volker Moell said... % % Lars Hecking wrote: % % Secondly, mutt also supports checking of traditionally signed email % (i.e. without conversion). % % EscP check-traditional-pgp check for classic pgp % ... % single mail I can hit Esc-P, but when searching in a complete folder in % the message bodies this leads to a problem. Do you mean a folder of emails that are non-MIME pgp and you want them to be seen as PGP messages? Well, what about a muttrc hook line or a macro that simply says tag-pattern.entertag-prefixcheck-traditional-pgptag-prefixtag-message to tag 'em all, hit esc-P for 'em, and then untag? HTH HAND :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg22656/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Mutt sucks less than the rest
Derek, et al -- ...and then Derek D. Martin said... % % There seems to be no way to make mutt include a forwarded message in % quoted text. MUCH more often than not, that's the behavior I want, so ... % The easiest way to do this is, of course, to just use reply. ;-) % % Well, yes, except that I sometimes also use forward instead of reply, % so that signatures are not stripped from the message. And sometimes I % don't want attribution/quote marks. But often that does work... I trust that you've not only seen $mime_forward but also $forward_quote. % ... % [SNIP more of my ramblings...] % % Try Esc-P when displaying a message. % % Ok... I was unfamiliar with this option/feature. I guess you could % add another gripe: documentation. The old version is well documented, % but the new one has none, as far as I could tell. It may be a silly question, but have you installed the appropriate documentation for this version where mutt expects to look for it? I did a quick check and found check-traditional-pgp under section 2.3.4. Of course, it wouldn't be in a 1.2.5 version of the manual... % % Thanks % % -- % Derek Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] % - % I prefer mail encrypted with PGP/GPG! % GnuPG Key ID: 0x81CFE75D % Retrieve my public key at http://pgp.mit.edu % Learn more about it at http://www.gnupg.org :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg22657/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
s/S index flag and check-traditional-pgp
I asked this in another message, but it looks like it got lost... can someone please confirm or deny that they see this behaviour as well under 1.3.25? 1. use the new check-traditional-pgp command from the index on a message that has an old-style pgp signature 2. note that the 's' flag appears to indicate the presence of the signature 3. view the message, with pgp_verify_sig=no 4. note that the 's' becomes an 'S', even though no verification has taken place It also happens if you just run check-traditional-pgp from the pager. If other people are seeing this, I'll report it as a bug... msg22658/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Mutt sucks less than the rest
On Jan 08, David T-G [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: ...and then Derek D. Martin said... % [SNIP more of my ramblings...] % % Try Esc-P when displaying a message. % % Ok... I was unfamiliar with this option/feature. I guess you could % add another gripe: documentation. The old version is well documented, % but the new one has none, as far as I could tell. It may be a silly question, but have you installed the appropriate documentation for this version where mutt expects to look for it? I did a quick check and found check-traditional-pgp under section 2.3.4. Of course, it wouldn't be in a 1.2.5 version of the manual... It's also documented rather plainly in the NEWS file, found on the website as changes.html. msg22659/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: s/S index flag and check-traditional-pgp
Jeremy -- ...and then Jeremy Blosser said... % % I asked this in another message, but it looks like it got lost... can % someone please confirm or deny that they see this behaviour as well under % 1.3.25? I'm running 1.3.25, so ... % % 1. use the new check-traditional-pgp command from the index on a message %that has an old-style pgp signature % 2. note that the 's' flag appears to indicate the presence of the signature % 3. view the message, with pgp_verify_sig=no % 4. note that the 's' becomes an 'S', even though no verification has taken %place ... if you'll send a traditional-style message I'll check it out and report. Note that viewing *this* message did not change the 's' to 'S' even though I have verification on and the signature was good because I have not signed my copy of your key. I expect the same behavior with the traditional method, of course. % % It also happens if you just run check-traditional-pgp from the pager. % % If other people are seeing this, I'll report it as a bug... Sounds good. :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg22660/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: maildir (number of lines in index)
* Cameron Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 12:39:27PM -0800, Curt Zirzow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Not a problem with procmail but can be solved with it by using: | | :0 Bfhw | * H ?? ! ^Lines: | * -1^0 | * 1^1 ^.*$ | | formail -A Lines: $= | | Then you will have the number of lines shown. Can you decode that for me? Failing to find -1^0 or such in the procmailrc manual To be honest, I'm not sure where I got this from or how it was working but after a little reading, it appears that the to scoring lines act as the counter for $= The -1 initial score, I believe, is to compensate for the space between the headers and body. I tried one of my own: :0 Whf: * ! ^Lines: | formail -A Lines: $= (as yet untested). But superficially it looks like it should work. Can you elaborate on what the extras in your recipe are for? -- Cameron Simpson, DoD#743[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.zip.com.au/~cs/ I think it rather sad that people have to resort to crude pictograms to convey their meaning. How many books do you read that use icons to pass on the author's intended message? Smileys are for the illiterata of this age. :) - Nick (the Biker) DoD 1069 OGRI MAG 73516-- M'Lud. (He Who Road Rashly) Work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Curt -- Any time things appear to be going better, you have overlooked something.
Re: Send-hook is Lazy
[lun 07/01/2002, ore 12:56] = David Champion scrive:
[...]
Have you changed your value of $alternates? If the sender's name matches
$alternates, and your $index_format has %F in that slot, it will
expand to the recipient's name instead of to your name.
Yes, I see it.
Now I use %n and the browser is like I want.
set index_format=%4C %Z %{%d %b} [%-15.15n] %4c %s
Tnx :)
--
Franco
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presi e' solo una piccola parte di quello di cui abbiamo bisogno
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Re: applying pgp-outlook patch
* Justin R. Miller ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [Jan 08. 2002 12:05]: [ snipped query about pgp_outlook_compat ] On a somewhat related note, for anyone who didn't know, Debian for a few versions now has supported this patch already in the sid package. When I was using 1.3.24 in woody it supported that patch as well. But I'm currently using .25 from sid. -- Brian Clark | Avoiding the general public since 1805! Fingerprint: 07CE FA37 8DF6 A109 8119 076B B5A2 E5FB E4D0 C7C8 Rap is to music what Etch-a-Sketch is to art.
urlview oddity
Sorry if this is off-topic. I figured that a urlview question was best asked here. I am getting no text in urlview for the matches it finds in an email. Here is the output: UrlView 0.9: (2 matches) Press Q or Ctrl-C to Quit! - * The cursor and text on top are in reverse video which is white on black The cursor can move the down one position, and if I hit enter, I go to a link from the email, but I can't see the text of it. I don't think it is a black fg on black bg problem (although it COULD be), because I spawn my xterm with '-fg white -bg black', and the reverse video shows up OK (black fg, white bg). Any ideas? mutt -v says i'm using 'ncurses 5.2'. Thanks, /db
