[newbie-it] mandrake8.1

2001-10-29 Thread Marco Canapicchi

C'è qualcuno che ha scaricato la versione download (2o3 CD) di mandrake 
8.1 e sarebbe così gentile da masterizzarmela?

Ciao e grazie già da ora.





Re: [newbie-it] mandrake8.1

2001-10-29 Thread Andrea Celli

Marco Canapicchi wrote:
 
 C'è qualcuno che ha scaricato la versione download (2o3 CD) di mandrake
 8.1 e sarebbe così gentile da masterizzarmela?
 
 Ciao e grazie già da ora.

cerca sul NG it.comp.os.linux.annunci.
C'e` parecchia gente che lo fa` a prezzi ragionevoli.

ciao, andrea




Re: [newbie-it] mandrake8.1

2001-10-29 Thread Mauro Scacco

At 15.46 29/10/2001 -0500, you wrote:
C'è qualcuno che ha scaricato la versione download (2o3 CD) di mandrake 
8.1 e sarebbe così gentile da masterizzarmela?

Ciao e grazie già da ora.

Ciao!

Fammi sapere se sei interessato a qualcosa
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mandrake 8.1 (3cd)
Linux Espresso 1.0 (2 cd)
Free BSD 4.4 (4 cd completo con pacchetti extra e live filesystem)
Turbolinux 6.5
Conectiva CL70 2 cd


e anche
-suse 7.2( 6cd )
-kde2.2.1 x suse 7.2
Debian 2.2rev3 (5 cd) + Ott.Nano omaggio
-cd EXTRA per Debian-non free -proposed updates etc(2 cd)
-Redmond Linux 3 cd
-Engarde Linux
-Progeny Debian 2 cd
--Red Hat 7.1 Seawolf (4 cd con Powertools e docs)
-Free BSD 4.3
---Mandrake 8 (2cd)
- Mandrake Freg. ,ottima,1 cd
- Mandrake Corporate Server (2 cd)-stabilissima con novità tipo Web
Drake etc

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---STAMPEDE 0.90
-Caldera eDesktop 2.4 (istallazione immediata !)
- Caldera Beta Technologies
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Re: [newbie-it] leggere e masterizzarefile audio *.wave

2001-10-29 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto:

Ciao  a tutti
Sono finalmente riuscito a leggere i file audio con il mio
HP cd-writer 9100c utilizzando il programma GTOASTER.
Non potevano mancare pero' alcuni problemi.
Dopo aver eseguito uno scanbus tramite l'interfaccia grafica
di GTOASTER mi sono accorto che lanciando XWC (X windows
commander) il pc diventa sempre piu' lento fino al blocco
totale.COME MAI?
Ed inoltre quando creo un cd GTOASTER non mi da errori ma il
cd cosi' creato sembrerebbe vuoto.COSA HO DIMENTICATO?






R: [newbie-it] mandrake8.1

2001-10-29 Thread GIORGIO CARRARA

m'intrometto percheè sono in attesa della powerPack 8.1 che mi verrà spedita
in settimana.
nel frattempo visiterei volentieri il sito che hai consiglato ma non sono
stato capace di entrarci
Mi ripeti cortesemente e per esteso l'indirizzo ?

grazie
cordialità


-Messaggio originale-
Da: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Inviato: lunedì 29 ottobre 2001 15.27
A: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Oggetto: Re: [newbie-it] mandrake8.1


Marco Canapicchi wrote:

 C'è qualcuno che ha scaricato la versione download (2o3 CD) di mandrake
 8.1 e sarebbe così gentile da masterizzarmela?

 Ciao e grazie già da ora.

cerca sul NG it.comp.os.linux.annunci.
C'e` parecchia gente che lo fa` a prezzi ragionevoli.

ciao, andrea





Re: [newbie] envelope yet!

2001-10-29 Thread Michael

Just a simple question from another newbie. You aren't sending the mail
direct from your mail program to your ISP bypassing
localhost.localdomain?
You want your mail reader SMTP pointed at localhost.localdomain
so that postfix/sendmail grab it from there and fire it to your ISP.

Forgive my interuption if i am wrong.

Paul wrote:
 
 In reply to Ricardo Castanho de O. Freitas's words, written Mon, 29 Oct 2001
 03:09:20 -0200 (BRST)
 
 On Sun, 28 Oct 2001, Paul wrote:
 
 Thanks Paul but, it didn't work out!
 
 My email keeps going as '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'!
 With all modifications and 'service postfix reload'
 
 any suggestions?
 
 Check what is in 'mydestination' and other places where there are domain
 names.
 e.g.   myhostname, mydomain
 
 Check the comments over each section carefully, there's the solution. If you
 can't figure it out, you can send the main.cf over so I can take a look. No
 warranties, but I can try ;)
 Paul
 
 --
 If you are sure you understand everything that is going on,
 you are hopelessly confused.
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Re: [newbie] LM 8.1 on a laptop

2001-10-29 Thread Michael

To check how Linux compatible your HP Laptop is visit
http://lhd.zdnet.com/

Sleeper N wrote:
 
 
 I want to kick out WindowsME from my HP laptop and place a Linux distro on
 it. I didn't have very much luck with Corel or Linux-Mandrake 7.2, but I
 haven't gotten around with LM 8.0.
 
 Is LM 8.1 doing a better job of getting into the cramp laptop or is their
 much headaches and work into squeezing in their.
 
 By the way this will be a Linux only laptop for me to take everywhere so I
 am not concerned on dual booting.
 
 Thanks in advance to all who reply.
 
 To PENA FAMILY
 
   I am running 8.1 on my Dell and have had no problems with the install or
 running the machine.  I did have some display issues but worked around that
 and haven't had a problem since. Hope this inspires you to take the plunge.
 You won't be sorry.
 
Sleeper
 
 
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Re: [newbie] Logitech MouseMan wheel

2001-10-29 Thread skinky

On Fri, 26 Oct 2001 23:03, Robert wrote:
|  When I wrote this email I never got a response and frankly just gave up
| on it but it just arrives now about 19 days later?! Is this odd or
| happens from time to time?

I've been wondering the same thing but not with the list though.  I sent 
myself an e-mail on Friday morning while testing my mail settings, and I 
only just received it tonight (Monday).  Others that I mailed on the 
weekend phoned me confused over mail I sent - they received the earlier, 
relevant mail later... much later.  I thought that perhaps my ISP had a 
problem.  First time its happened to me in five years.

skinky
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(Engineer at the Advanced Computing Systems Division of IBM, 1968, 
commenting on the microchip)




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Re: [newbie] LM 8.1 on a laptop

2001-10-29 Thread Robert

Thanks for the response I happened to check that link before my laptop is the 
near bottom model which I could afford. I was just hoping that things had 
progressed enough to make it a Linux toy.

I will give it a go with 8.1 when I get my hands on it.



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Re: [newbie] Linux-Mandrake 8.0 and WindowsXP

2001-10-29 Thread Robert

It was an opinion and observation.

I agree this is a newbie Linux list, but it has stopped others from voicing 
opinions and observatioins. Just think back to the Sept. 11th arguements and 
the religious arguements that went on for so long. 

I did post a question regarding Linux and my ancient CDwriter which I have 
decided to put it out of its misery. 
Thanks to all who helped and replied.

As for the opinions are concerned lets face it they will appear whether they 
are talking about XP or stating something like Micro$haft. 

P.S. I didn't care much for the licensing fee they are sticking me with but 
then again I for one support Linux with purchasing distros so they can 
continue publishing better and better Linux distributions. I wouldn't be the 
first to over pay for something and I am certainly not the last person to. 
Thanks for the support and help SKINKY



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Re: [newbie] mount umount cdrom (Audio CD Solution)

2001-10-29 Thread skinky

On Sat, 27 Oct 2001 11:25, Paul Cox wrote:
|  On Thursday, Oct 25, 2001, Paul Rodríguez wrote:
|   Thanks, Joe.  I understand what you mean  (I think), but the problem
|   is my machine doesn't have a cdrom0 anywhere.  It has a
|   /dev/cdroms/cdrom4 instead.  But just before my last reboot it was
|   /dev/cdroms/cdrom3  . I'm not sure why the number is changing.
|
|  More specifically, this is a devfs problem.  As root, remove the files
|  in /lib/dev-state (but leave the directory).  After rebooting,
|  /dev/cdrom should be correct.
|
|  One consequece of this however, is that if you have networking setup
| for VMware (vmnet* devices), you'll have to run vmware-config.pl again.
| This fixed it for me.
|
|  Also, I'm not real sure how permenent of a solution this is, as I
|  haven't been using devfs since because of the security advisory.



How about trying the devfs=nomount option in lilo.conf.

This most likey has nothing to do with your cdrom but you could give it a 
go.  I had to do that to stop a whole lot of boot/error messages I was 
getting about a kernel bug and the zip, floppy, cdrom, cdrw drives being 
already registered (although everything was working OK anyway).  Mandrake 
were already aware of the problem I was having a little while back and 
they recommended editing the lilo.conf file.  They were working on fix 
then, so I guess by now that they will have already fixed the problem in a 
more recent kernel.

skinky
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[newbie] LOLI LILO (long live lilo)

2001-10-29 Thread _nasturtium



Hello,
 LILO can be placed in the 
Windows 2000 Boot menu! Using instructions at www.ntcompatible.com/faq2.shtml, 
(not reproduced here - they are designed with SuSE linux in mind which would not 
be appropraite on this list!), you can add it - and takes only 
512bytes.

[at a terminal] lilo -s 
/mnt/c/linux.bin

[in boot.ini add this line] C:\LINUX.BIN="Mandrake 
Linux 8.0"

I have tried it with linux mandrake 8.0 and it 
works perfectly.

 Hope it's useful,
  
_nasturtium


[newbie] Promise UDMA 100 book problems

2001-10-29 Thread Jamie Kerwick

I have just recently added a promise ultra 100 controller card to my PC and 
obviously now it doesn't boot into linux, what do I need to do to get it 
working ?

Thanks

Jamie

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[newbie] fromdos and todos

2001-10-29 Thread Franki

Hi all,


What does mandrake use in place of:  fromdos and todos

I keep putting perl scripts written on windows onto linux and it works fine
with modern mandrake, but when I give the
script to people running older servers, it causes no end of problems...

so I need to get rid of ^M's from the linux scripts and add it to the
windows ones if they don't already have it.

In Debian, they use fromdos and todos to convert, what do I use on Mandrake




rgds

Frank




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Re: [newbie] RE: Alsa or xmms? SBLive configuration Howto.

2001-10-29 Thread Frans Ketelaars

On Sun, 28 Oct 2001 14:44:53 +0200
• Karel • [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  The latter sets up the Alsa-CTRL configuration files.
  Now in Kcontrol's MIDI section you'll see 5 entries that did not appear
  before.
 
  I tried that all, but there is NO anything in the midi section :(
 
 
Try as root 'modprobe snd-seq-midi' . Then try Kcontrol again. HTH,

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[newbie] Installing printer

2001-10-29 Thread adam

Now, I thought that when I installed Mandrake 8.0 it picked up the printer.

However, when I try and print something now (I don't often print stuff) 
it doesn't work - is there any way of checking that the printer is 
installed?

Also, if it's not installed, how do I go about installing it? It's a HP 
Deskjet 400 - I'm running 8.0 on 288Mb ram - amd k7 1100 - 3dfx voodoo 
(which isn't working at the moment for some reason - and never has!) - 
onboard sound -

Any help is appreciated.

Thanks

Adam


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[newbie] Pine/Postfix/Sendmail

2001-10-29 Thread Admin

Hello:

Thanks for the advice regarding the installation of Pine in my system.  I 
have the program up and running at the moment, but with a couple of quirks, 
which I would like to discuss.  

1.  I am running pine 4.30 under lm8.0, using a PIII 800mhz chip with 384megs 
of RAM.

2.  Is there some kind of relationship between postfix and sendmail?  For 
some reason, both programs/scripts are installed in my system.  As it is, I 
thought I was only using postfix and I was gettting ready to remove sendmail, 
but shied away when there were several references to postfix in man 
sendmail.  So do I need to keep sendmail or can I remove it?

3.  Currently, I am executing the following commands:

  fetchmail  (from user)
  postfix start (from root)
  pine (from user)

Is the sequence correct, or for that matter, does the sequence matter?

4.  Now the really squirely part.  The return address on emails I send out, 
is really, really messed up.  How can I fix it?  It should read 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  instead it reads dsimon9@localhost 
[EMAIL PROTECTED].  The casa-coqui.com domain is parked at earthlink, 
and I am using an alias at their web site to re-direct emails to 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  To make matters a bit more 
interesting, the only way I can get emails to be delivered properly to Pine 
is by  setting personal-name in its' config file to dsimon9@localhost.  

I was looking through the main.cf file, and there are a couple of settings 
(myhostname and mydomain), which might address the issue, but these are 
universal settings (or so I think).  If these are the proper settings, to 
what value should they be set?

In my user's .fetchmailrc file, I have the setting set postmaster 
dsimon9.

Thanks in advance for the help.

Dexter







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Re: [newbie] Best Distribution for..?

2001-10-29 Thread Sridhar Dhanapalan

On Mon, 29 Oct 2001 15:06:12 +0100, Emanuele Menegatti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote:
  
  On Mon, 29 Oct 2001 07:48:31 +0100, Emanuele Menegatti [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote: Dear all,
  
   I have an OldWorld MAC: a Gray G3 with 64MB of RAM and a 266MHz CPU.
  
  What do you mean by too heavy? One of the greatest things about GNU/Linux
  is its configurability. For example, if KDE is too heavy, you should try
  something else, like GNOME, XFce, Enlightenment, IceWM, WindowMaker or
  Blackbox. GNOME can be quite fast if you turn of Nautilus, and it is even
  more configurable than KDE.
  
  --
  Sridhar Dhanapalan
 
 Thaks a lot for your suggestions...
 
 Which one of the WM you cited is the lighest?
 
 Cheers,
 Emanuele

The lightest and fastest would be Blackbox. Since it's the lightest, it's quite
bare-bones in functionality. GNOME and XFce are desktop environments, and so are
a little heavier, but faster than KDE (I personally use GNOME, and I love its
power and flexibility). The others are somewhere in between. I suggest that you
try them all and make up your own mind.

-- 
Sridhar Dhanapalan

So fix the stupid API.
The above is just idiocy.
-- Linus Torvalds



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[newbie] My personal response to msn.com and Internet Explorer.

2001-10-29 Thread Franki

Further to our conversation on this list about msn.com..

I have created what I think should be Linux and open sources retailation for
Microsofts attempt to force the use of their non standards compliant
browser.

This is what I have so far.


Here is the code that goes in your main site..
##
htmlheadtitleNon Compliant browser!!!/title
SCRIPT LANGUAGE=JavaScript
!--
var browserName = navigator.appName
if (browserName == Microsoft Internet Explorer)
{
PoPuP = window.open(http://mydomain.com/non-compliance.html;, PoPuP,
scrollbars=yes,toolbar=no,statusbar=no,width=450,height=200,resizable=yes)
;
}
/SCRIPT
/head
body
/body
###
Nothing terribly fancy about that, pretty standard code.

and here is the page it opens:
###

html
headtitleWARNING! Non Standards Compliant Browser Detected. Possible
Security Risk./title/head

body
h4You are using: Microsoft Internet Explorer to view this site./h4
Because Microsoft do not always support open standards, and
they appear to change their level of support constantly,  we cannot
guarantee that you will receive our site in the manner and
with the functionality with which it was intended.br

Also, many security flaws have been found in Internet Explorer that could
put your computer and your personal infomation at risk.

We suggest you download Mozilla (Free) at a href =http://mozilla.org;
target=new
http://mozilla.org/a and show your support free software around the
world. Mozilla was created and is maintained and advanced by open source
programmers around the world. It is a fast, secure and most importantly,
standards compliant browser.
br
This is not necessary you may have full functionality, we just can't
guarantee it, and neither can anyone else other then Microsoft and its
partners.
/body
/html


This opens a small featureless browser window of 450x200 pixels
that contains the above html,, I would like to hear anyones comments on
this.



rgds

Frank




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[newbie] Themes

2001-10-29 Thread Florian Struck

Hi does anyone know what is the matter with themes.org the site is totally 
messed up and nothing works same via ftp it tells me welcome your number 4 of 
50 possible visitors and then i wait for ages .
Does anyone know a mirror or so where i can get themes for kde2.2 i 
remembered this transparent menu thing from the beta release i wanted to show 
it to a friend .
Thanks in advance. 
Florian



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RE: [newbie] Pine/Postfix/Sendmail

2001-10-29 Thread Franki

postfix creates a sendmail binary in /usr/sbin/sendmail for backwards
compatability with sendmail..

So that any scripts that look for sendmail can still use it..

as for your startup sequence, since they are started so closly together, it
shouldn't be a problem, but I would start postfix first..service postfix
start

As for your last problem, in postfix, you need to set mydomain and
myhostname in /etc/postfix/main.cf

rgds

Frank


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Admin
Sent: Monday, 29 October 2001 10:06 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [newbie] Pine/Postfix/Sendmail


Hello:

Thanks for the advice regarding the installation of Pine in my system.  I
have the program up and running at the moment, but with a couple of quirks,
which I would like to discuss.

1.  I am running pine 4.30 under lm8.0, using a PIII 800mhz chip with
384megs
of RAM.

2.  Is there some kind of relationship between postfix and sendmail?  For
some reason, both programs/scripts are installed in my system.  As it is, I
thought I was only using postfix and I was gettting ready to remove
sendmail,
but shied away when there were several references to postfix in man
sendmail.  So do I need to keep sendmail or can I remove it?

3.  Currently, I am executing the following commands:

  fetchmail  (from user)
  postfix start (from root)
  pine (from user)

Is the sequence correct, or for that matter, does the sequence matter?

4.  Now the really squirely part.  The return address on emails I send out,
is really, really messed up.  How can I fix it?  It should read
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  instead it reads dsimon9@localhost
[EMAIL PROTECTED].  The casa-coqui.com domain is parked at earthlink,
and I am using an alias at their web site to re-direct emails to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  To make matters a bit more
interesting, the only way I can get emails to be delivered properly to Pine
is by  setting personal-name in its' config file to dsimon9@localhost.

I was looking through the main.cf file, and there are a couple of settings
(myhostname and mydomain), which might address the issue, but these are
universal settings (or so I think).  If these are the proper settings, to
what value should they be set?

In my user's .fetchmailrc file, I have the setting set postmaster
dsimon9.

Thanks in advance for the help.

Dexter









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RE: [newbie] Best Distribution for..?

2001-10-29 Thread Franki

I like icewm for machines with low resources, it has great themes, its small
and fast but still configurable.


rgds

Frank
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Sridhar Dhanapalan
Sent: Monday, 29 October 2001 10:18 PM
To: Emanuele Menegatti; Mandrake Newbie List
Subject: Re: [newbie] Best Distribution for..?


On Mon, 29 Oct 2001 15:06:12 +0100, Emanuele Menegatti [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote:
 
  On Mon, 29 Oct 2001 07:48:31 +0100, Emanuele Menegatti
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote: Dear all,
  
   I have an OldWorld MAC: a Gray G3 with 64MB of RAM and a 266MHz CPU.
 
  What do you mean by too heavy? One of the greatest things about
GNU/Linux
  is its configurability. For example, if KDE is too heavy, you should try
  something else, like GNOME, XFce, Enlightenment, IceWM, WindowMaker or
  Blackbox. GNOME can be quite fast if you turn of Nautilus, and it is
even
  more configurable than KDE.
 
  --
  Sridhar Dhanapalan

 Thaks a lot for your suggestions...

 Which one of the WM you cited is the lighest?

 Cheers,
 Emanuele

The lightest and fastest would be Blackbox. Since it's the lightest, it's
quite
bare-bones in functionality. GNOME and XFce are desktop environments, and so
are
a little heavier, but faster than KDE (I personally use GNOME, and I love
its
power and flexibility). The others are somewhere in between. I suggest that
you
try them all and make up your own mind.

--
Sridhar Dhanapalan

So fix the stupid API.
The above is just idiocy.
-- Linus Torvalds





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Re: [newbie] My personal response to msn.com and Internet Explorer.

2001-10-29 Thread Randy Kramer

Franki,

I agree with Sridhar, I'm not sure this is an appropriate thing to do. 
However, it is your site. 

Three reasons I don't think it's a good idea:

- AFAIK, Microsoft has backed down and is no longer doing this.  Now we
potentially look like the bad guys.
- I haven't used Mozilla, but I understand it's a bloated monster -- do
we really want to encourage a lot of people to try it and then swear it
and open source software off (semi-)permanently?  (Is it as fast as IE
-- I suspect not on a Windows machine.)
- Darn -- forgot the third -- maybe I meant to mention the same thing
Sridhar mentioned.  If I think of the third I'll follow up.

If you do it, some nits below:

Franki wrote:
 html
 headtitleWARNING! Non Standards Compliant Browser Detected. Possible
 Security Risk./title/head
 
 body
 h4You are using: Microsoft Internet Explorer to view this site./h4
 Because Microsoft do not always support open standards, and
 they appear to change their level of support constantly,  we cannot
 guarantee that you will receive our site in the manner and
 with the functionality with which it was intended.br

In the US, we would say Microsoft does not, most Americans would
consider Microsoft do not a grammatical error (even though we would
say they appear and their).  I don't know the best approach in a
world community -- maybe do is OK if the rest of your site is quickly
recognizable as non-US, but otherwise it leaves a bad impression on
Americans.  It would be nice to change the sentence to avoid the issue
-- I haven't thought of alternate wording, but here are some random
suggestions:

You are using Microsoft Internet Explorer.

Microsoft Internet Explorer: make the following a bulleted list
- Supports features that are not standard, contributing to the
development of web sites that cannot be viewed properly by all browsers.
- Does not support all standards.  Is this true, except in the sense
that old versions don't support the newer features?  -- If not true,
delete it.  Plus, I kept that pesky does -- ahh, but wait, that's OK
in the King's English (I think, and, is it the King's English in
Australia?) because now the subject is Microsoft Internet Explorer,
which is clearly singular(?).
- Includes security flaws that can put your computer and personal
infomation at risk.  Are there no security holes in Mozilla?  Do we
know that for sure?

We suggest you download Mozilla (Free) from a href
=http://mozilla.org; target=new http://mozilla.org/a and show your
support for free software around the world.  Mozilla was created and is
maintained and advanced by open source programmers around the world.  It
is a fast, secure, and standards compliant browser. But not yet
complete??

I think I'd delete the following, or reword it -- try an em (en?) dash
after necessary, like necessary -- you may.  
 This is not necessary you may have full functionality, we just can't
 guarantee it, and neither can anyone else other then Microsoft and its
 partners.

Randy Kramer



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RE: [newbie] My personal response to msn.com and Internet Explorer.

2001-10-29 Thread Franki

I don't understand what you mean?

I added the last sentence because we are not as bad as Microsoft and I have
no wish to apprear
as bad as Microsux.


rgds

Frank
-Original Message-
From: Russ Kepler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, 30 October 2001 12:06 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] My personal response to msn.com and Internet
Explorer.


On Monday 29 October 2001 08:00 am, you wrote:

 This is not necessary you may have full functionality, we just can't
 guarantee it, and neither can anyone else other then Microsoft and its
 partners.

I no can parse this paragraph last.

-- Russ




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RE: [newbie] My personal response to msn.com and Internet Explorer.

2001-10-29 Thread Franki

yeah, eventually I plan to impliment it or a version of it on the 20 or so
sites I maintain for various companies.

Microsoft can block non IE browsers from viewing their couple of dozen
sites...

if open source pulls together, we can inform thousands of people from many
thousands of sites,,

they can't do a thing about it...

cool huh?


rgds

Frank

-Original Message-
From: Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, 30 October 2001 12:31 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] My personal response to msn.com and Internet
Explorer.


I think that is a great way to approach things.. maybe I can get my
local
LUG to implement that. grin Probably all LUG's should do thatlet
newbies get to the first page.then make them switch browsers to view the
rest of the site...kinda wean them away from M$.. Show them all the
other available browsers on the second page/or pop up window...

Really good idea!

--
Dave Crouse
Registered Linux User 204085
---
OS: Linux-Mandrake 8.1
Desktop: KDE
Email: KMail
Browser: Opera
Computer: IBM300PL
Speed: 400mghz
Ram: 384

-
On Monday 29 October 2001 09:00 am, you wrote:
 Further to our conversation on this list about msn.com..

 I have created what I think should be Linux and open sources retailation
 for Microsofts attempt to force the use of their non standards compliant
 browser.

 This is what I have so far.


 Here is the code that goes in your main site..
 ##
 htmlheadtitleNon Compliant browser!!!/title
 SCRIPT LANGUAGE=JavaScript
 !--
 var browserName = navigator.appName
 if (browserName == Microsoft Internet Explorer)
 {
 PoPuP = window.open(http://mydomain.com/non-compliance.html;, PoPuP,

scrollbars=yes,toolbar=no,statusbar=no,width=450,height=200,resizable=yes
) ;
 }
 /SCRIPT
 /head
 body
 /body
 ###
 Nothing terribly fancy about that, pretty standard code.

 and here is the page it opens:
 ###

 html
 headtitleWARNING! Non Standards Compliant Browser Detected. Possible
 Security Risk./title/head

 body
 h4You are using: Microsoft Internet Explorer to view this site./h4
 Because Microsoft do not always support open standards, and
 they appear to change their level of support constantly,  we cannot
 guarantee that you will receive our site in the manner and
 with the functionality with which it was intended.br

 Also, many security flaws have been found in Internet Explorer that
could
 put your computer and your personal infomation at risk.

 We suggest you download Mozilla (Free) at a href =http://mozilla.org;
 target=new
 http://mozilla.org/a and show your support free software around the
 world. Mozilla was created and is maintained and advanced by open source
 programmers around the world. It is a fast, secure and most importantly,
 standards compliant browser.
 br
 This is not necessary you may have full functionality, we just can't
 guarantee it, and neither can anyone else other then Microsoft and its
 partners.
 /body
 /html
 

 This opens a small featureless browser window of 450x200 pixels
 that contains the above html,, I would like to hear anyones comments on
 this.



 rgds

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RE: [newbie] ISDN modem

2001-10-29 Thread Chadwick, Tim

Gosh, thanks for the help, Bill

-Original Message-
From: Bil Reynolds [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 12:15 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] ISDN modem

On Saturday 27 October 2001 11:03 am, you wrote:
 Could someone PLEASE help? I have a USR ISDN Sportster 128k internal ISA
 modem. I have no idea how to get this to work, or even if it's possible.
It
 appears it wasn't detected upon installing 8.1. I REALLY want to ditch all
 MS products from my system, but if I can't connect to the internet with
MD,
 I'm stuck. Based on my initial research, it appears that I need to
 configure my PPP setup 1st. One source says I need to have a
 '/etc/isapnp.conf' file, which I don't. Is this all true? If so, what do I
 need to put in there, and what other steps do I need to take? Is there a
 GUI/KDE thingy to do all this? I've seen sveral refernces to 'HardDrake,
 but I either don't have it installed or I can't find it. I'm sorry if
these
 are really stupid questions, but I gotta start somewhereANY assistance
 would be most greatly appreciated. Thanks!

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Re: [newbie] problems installing 'kylix'

2001-10-29 Thread H.J.Bathoorn

On Friday 26 October 2001 19:54, you wrote:
 Hi,

 My system is running LM 8.1. When I try to install 'kylix' I get this
 message:

 [root@main kylix_oe]# sh setup.sh

 : command not found
 : command not found
 : command not found

 'etup.sh: line 54: syntax error near unexpected token `{
 'etup.sh: line 54: `function CheckKernel {

 Has someone the same problems?

Not exactly the same problem, mine installed fine on 8.1 (the borporetest 
refused to run though :o/?) but then: On startup, the fontmatrix setup widget 
appears and the proccess dies, leaving the widget there glaring at me :o(

Is there anybody with a running Kylix on 8.1 out there?



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[newbie] Binary newsreader

2001-10-29 Thread Søren Neigaard

Do any of you know of a newsreader like NewsBin (http://www.newsbin.com)
for Linux? One that can download the binaries for all subscribed groups.

Best regards
Søren






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[newbie] accessing the cdrom from linux

2001-10-29 Thread Metamorphysical



I'm trying to get my 7.2 version of linux running 
again. I need to run some rpm's for my voodoo card. But I am 
clueless on text commands at the command prompt. How do I access the cdrom 
from the localhost login?



RE: [newbie] My personal response to msn.com and Internet Explorer.

2001-10-29 Thread Franki

you should post that to the list,

I suspected as much...

They don't change,, why would they? what they do works so well...


rgds

Frank

-Original Message-
From: michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, 30 October 2001 12:52 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] My personal response to msn.com and Internet
Explorer.


They may appear to have backed off, but if you try and follow links from the
msn page to other ms sites they still block. msn messenger can't be
downloaded with ns 6.1
( but ns 4.82 works according to them).
- Original Message -
From: Franki [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 8:26 AM
Subject: RE: [newbie] My personal response to msn.com and Internet Explorer.


 Microsoft has backed off now, because of attention and articles.
 (I may make a note of that in the warning.)

 It will be back when they can do it in a way that won't draw attention to
 themselves.

 Mozilla is not significantly slower then IE, I have both and there isn't
 much in it.

 IE6 is the first browser to come close to the standards, and it doesn't
 support Java
 applets or plugins unless you upgrade IE5.5 to IE6, then it keeps the
 support, other
 wise it does not. (but IE6 is no closer then Mozilla and supports stuff
that
 wc3 don't.

 I am not stopping them from using IE, I am just warning them that its not
 our choice
 of browser and detailing some reasons why.

 Also, as for us apprearing to be the bad guys, I can think of about a
dozen
 sites that
 detail why M$ are the baddies, so I might detail them as well, I just want
 to keep it
 short and to the point.

 We need to do something like this, we can't be underhanded about it like
 them, but we
 can't afford to sit by while they carry on..

 who knows, if M$ .NET takes off, we may one day end up in a situation
where
 nothing not
 IE will be able to browse any .NET supporting site...

 Do you think they wouldn't do that if they could get away with it

 This is very serious,,  I really believe something like this is a good way
 of educating
 people... The truth always prevales, but only if people hear it.


 rgds


 Frank










 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Randy Kramer
 Sent: Tuesday, 30 October 2001 12:12 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [newbie] My personal response to msn.com and Internet
 Explorer.


 Franki,

 I agree with Sridhar, I'm not sure this is an appropriate thing to do.
 However, it is your site.

 Three reasons I don't think it's a good idea:

 - AFAIK, Microsoft has backed down and is no longer doing this.  Now we
 potentially look like the bad guys.
 - I haven't used Mozilla, but I understand it's a bloated monster -- do
 we really want to encourage a lot of people to try it and then swear it
 and open source software off (semi-)permanently?  (Is it as fast as IE
 -- I suspect not on a Windows machine.)
 - Darn -- forgot the third -- maybe I meant to mention the same thing
 Sridhar mentioned.  If I think of the third I'll follow up.

 If you do it, some nits below:

 Franki wrote:
  html
  headtitleWARNING! Non Standards Compliant Browser Detected. Possible
  Security Risk./title/head
 
  body
  h4You are using: Microsoft Internet Explorer to view this site./h4
  Because Microsoft do not always support open standards, and
  they appear to change their level of support constantly,  we cannot
  guarantee that you will receive our site in the manner and
  with the functionality with which it was intended.br

 In the US, we would say Microsoft does not, most Americans would
 consider Microsoft do not a grammatical error (even though we would
 say they appear and their).  I don't know the best approach in a
 world community -- maybe do is OK if the rest of your site is quickly
 recognizable as non-US, but otherwise it leaves a bad impression on
 Americans.  It would be nice to change the sentence to avoid the issue
 -- I haven't thought of alternate wording, but here are some random
 suggestions:

 You are using Microsoft Internet Explorer.

 Microsoft Internet Explorer: make the following a bulleted list
 - Supports features that are not standard, contributing to the
 development of web sites that cannot be viewed properly by all browsers.
 - Does not support all standards.  Is this true, except in the sense
 that old versions don't support the newer features?  -- If not true,
 delete it.  Plus, I kept that pesky does -- ahh, but wait, that's OK
 in the King's English (I think, and, is it the King's English in
 Australia?) because now the subject is Microsoft Internet Explorer,
 which is clearly singular(?).
 - Includes security flaws that can put your computer and personal
 infomation at risk.  Are there no security holes in Mozilla?  Do we
 know that for sure?

 We suggest you download Mozilla (Free) from a href
 =http://mozilla.org; target=new http://mozilla.org/a and show your
 

Re: [newbie] accessing the cdrom from linux

2001-10-29 Thread Arthur H. Johnson II


Mount /mnt/cdrom

On Mon, 29 Oct 2001, Metamorphysical wrote:

 I'm trying to get my 7.2 version of linux running again.  I need to run some rpm's 
for my voodoo card.  But I am clueless on text commands at the command prompt.  How 
do I access the cdrom from the localhost login?



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RE: [newbie] Pine/Postfix/Sendmail - Franki

2001-10-29 Thread Franki

well, first of all,
myhostname should be exactly that, your servers hostname as a fqdn (fully
qualified domain name)
ie something like: mail.casa-coqui.com (if you dont specify it at all,
postfix will determine it by
itself, and it may get it wrong..)

The one that may actually fix your problem is:

myorigin = casa-conqui

put that in main.cf and you should be off and running...


rgds

Frank

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Admin
Sent: Tuesday, 30 October 2001 2:00 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] Pine/Postfix/Sendmail - Franki


Hello:

I made the changes to mydomain and myhostname in the INTERNET HOST AND
DOMAIN NAMES in the main.cf file, with no apparent improvement in my return
email address when I compose a message.  Any other suggestions?  Thanks...

myhostname = casa-coqui.com
mydomain = casa-coqui.com

Dexter





On Monday 29 October 2001 08:35, you wrote:
 postfix creates a sendmail binary in /usr/sbin/sendmail for backwards
 compatability with sendmail..

 So that any scripts that look for sendmail can still use it..

 as for your startup sequence, since they are started so closly together,
it
 shouldn't be a problem, but I would start postfix first..service postfix
 start

 As for your last problem, in postfix, you need to set mydomain and
 myhostname in /etc/postfix/main.cf

 rgds

 Frank


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Admin
 Sent: Monday, 29 October 2001 10:06 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [newbie] Pine/Postfix/Sendmail


 Hello:

 Thanks for the advice regarding the installation of Pine in my system.  I
 have the program up and running at the moment, but with a couple of
quirks,
 which I would like to discuss.

 1.  I am running pine 4.30 under lm8.0, using a PIII 800mhz chip with
 384megs
 of RAM.

 2.  Is there some kind of relationship between postfix and sendmail?  For
 some reason, both programs/scripts are installed in my system.  As it is,
I
 thought I was only using postfix and I was gettting ready to remove
 sendmail,
 but shied away when there were several references to postfix in man
 sendmail.  So do I need to keep sendmail or can I remove it?

 3.  Currently, I am executing the following commands:

   fetchmail  (from user)
   postfix start (from root)
   pine (from user)

 Is the sequence correct, or for that matter, does the sequence matter?

 4.  Now the really squirely part.  The return address on emails I send
out,
 is really, really messed up.  How can I fix it?  It should read
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]  instead it reads dsimon9@localhost
 [EMAIL PROTECTED].  The casa-coqui.com domain is parked at
 earthlink, and I am using an alias at their web site to re-direct emails
to
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  To make matters a bit
 more interesting, the only way I can get emails to be delivered properly
to
 Pine is by  setting personal-name in its' config file to
 dsimon9@localhost.

 I was looking through the main.cf file, and there are a couple of
 settings (myhostname and mydomain), which might address the issue, but
 these are universal settings (or so I think).  If these are the proper
 settings, to what value should they be set?

 In my user's .fetchmailrc file, I have the setting set postmaster
 dsimon9.

 Thanks in advance for the help.

 Dexter


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RE: [newbie] Installing Program Into Home Directory

2001-10-29 Thread Mark Johnson

edit your PATH variable and that should solve your problem.  Check your
/etc/profile and append the OO path to the PATH directory.  


something like:

# /etc/profile
#
PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/OO/bin

But I don't know what the actual OO path would be




 -Original Message-
 From: Bryce Hardy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 11:35 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [newbie] Installing Program Into Home Directory
 
 
 I dowloaded and installed OpenOffice 638c and it installed 
 (apparently as a 
 default) into my Home directory. So I can't run the program 
 as another user. 
 I used the Super User file manager to move the OO directory 
 into /usr/local 
 instead and now I don't have permission to run it as a user. 
 Is there a fix 
 for this? I realize this is a real NEWBIE question, but I'd 
 appreciate any 
 help. Thanks.
 
 -- 
 Bryce Hardy (Santa Rosa, CA)
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 ---Arbeit Macht Nicht So Frei!---
 
 



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Re: [newbie] accessing the cdrom from linux

2001-10-29 Thread Paul

In reply to Metamorphysical's words, written Mon, 29 Oct 2001 13:01:28 -0500

I'm trying to get my 7.2 version of linux running again.  I need to run some
rpm's for my voodoo card.  But I am clueless on text commands at the command
prompt.  How do I access the cdrom from the localhost login?

cd to /mnt/cdrom
then do 

ls

to see what's on the disc.

cd somewhere to go to where you want to be.

For installing an rpm run

rpm -ivh rpmname

Paul

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[newbie] Changing IRQ's of PCMCIA.

2001-10-29 Thread Tomek Nowinski

Hi,

I have had some problems with my PCMCIA CardBus. I was not able to 
install it. According to all the system information, PCMCIA is OK, but 
there is a IRQ conflict with other device so it doesn't work.

So, I just wanted to ask if somebody knows how to change the IRQ number 
of any device. I mean I need somebody who have don this before and can 
explain me how to do it.

Thanks

Tomek Nowinski



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Re: [newbie] Question about kernel update

2001-10-29 Thread Paul Cox

On Friday, Oct 26, 2001, Jon Doe wrote:

 I am using kernel 2.4.8-26mdk, what kernel am I supposed to update too? The 
 kernel22-2.2.19-19mdk.i586.rpm?

That's the update for the 2.2 series of kernels.  You're using an 2.4
series.  Generally bad news to try to go backwards like that. =)
Updated kernels for 8.1 are in the works, just be patient.  There was
another problem discovered after the ptrace and symlink problems.

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Re: [newbie] Rebuilding a kernel src rpm...

2001-10-29 Thread Paul Cox

On Friday, Oct 26, 2001, Franki wrote:

 Then I started wondering if there was an easier way to do that, 
 like rpm --rebuild kernel* (where * is a src rpm).
 
 I have the headers installed and everything else thats relivent..
 So I downloaded the 29mb kernel src rpm and gave it a shot..
 but that doesn't work. (gives me a no such file or directory error 
 even though the file is there and is not corrupted..)

Are you trying the --rebuild command as root?  By default, RPM does it's
work in /usr/src/RPM/* which as a normal user you don't have write
access to. =)

 do I really have to go through the whole config compiling shebang 
 just to get an i686 or AMD optimised kernel?

And I've never tried this, but it may make an i586 .rpm anyway depending
on how the .spec file for the rpm is written.  Good luck.

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[newbie] Procmail recipes drive me nuts

2001-10-29 Thread Paul

Hi all,

I am fighting with procmail, and am on the wrong end of the battle.

What the . is wrong with these recipes. They don't work.

Set up of the environment:

DEFAULT=$HOME/sylmail/inbox/.
MAILDIR=$HOME/sylmail/
LOGFILE=$HOME/procmail.log

This one is supposed to catch all newbie mail and move it to the MH folder
Lijsten/Newbie

:0
* ^To:.*newbie
Lijsten/Newbie/.

(After looking at the headers I see a Delivered-To:. Could that be the wrong
one?)
Changed it to
:0
* ^Subject:.*\[Newbie

Let's see what happens when I get this back.

This one should send a mail sent to Things on to my work and then store it in
Lijsten/Things (also an MH folder). Things is identified by [Things] in the
subject:

:0
* ^Subject:.*\[Things
{
   :0 c
   ! paul.kater@myjobs-email.com

   :0
   Lijsten/Things/.
} 

And procmail just sits there and catches nothing.
What am I doing wrong? Must be something really dumb...
Paul

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Re: [newbie] problems installing 'kylix'

2001-10-29 Thread Fred Schroeder

At 06:46 PM 10/29/01 +0100, you wrote:
On Friday 26 October 2001 19:54, you wrote:
  Hi,
 
  My system is running LM 8.1. When I try to install 'kylix' I get this
  message:
 
  [root@main kylix_oe]# sh setup.sh
 
  : command not found
  : command not found
  : command not found
 
  'etup.sh: line 54: syntax error near unexpected token `{
  'etup.sh: line 54: `function CheckKernel {
 
  Has someone the same problems?

Not exactly the same problem, mine installed fine on 8.1 (the borporetest
refused to run though :o/?) but then: On startup, the fontmatrix setup widget
appears and the proccess dies, leaving the widget there glaring at me :o(

Is there anybody with a running Kylix on 8.1 out there?

Yes, it installed and runs just fine on my system.





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Re: [newbie] Procmail recipes drive me nuts

2001-10-29 Thread Paul

In reply to Paul's words, written Mon, 29 Oct 2001 20:01:14 -0500

What the . is wrong with these recipes. They don't work.

Okay peeps, forget this one. I am dumb. Solved.
Paul

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[newbie] What I did wrong

2001-10-29 Thread Paul

Hi folks,

Perhaps this is of help to someone:
I was futzing with procmail to sort the incoming mail, redirect something and
so on. But even when a few weeks back this appeared to work, it did not
anymore (changed a few things in .procmailrc and thought that was the wrong
thing).

Less is true!
1. I changed providers. The old one let me pull mail through
SMTP/postfix/mailkicks, the new one does not.
2. I do not use fetchmail but getmail. And getmail puts files directly in the
mbox where you tell it. Mail does not run through postfix, so not through
procmail. Duh...

What I do now (which works):
Use getmail to put mail in $HOME/mail/paul
Run formail to disect incoming mail and push it through procmail:

formail  $HOME/mail/paul -s procmail -m $HOME/.procmailrc

Which works fine. Then, as a safety catch, I make backup copies of the last 2
pulled mail-loads.
That's all. It took me a while before I noticed that I had to use formail.
Told you I was dumb ;)
Paul

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[newbie] probs with the parallel port.

2001-10-29 Thread Richard Wenninger

In attempting to diagnose my printing problem from mandrake 8.0, shouldn't I 
be able to do this?

# echo test  /dev/lp0

and receive data at the printer?
I get the following when attempting this.

bash: /dev/lp0: no such device

Doesn't this mean the parallel port isn't configured, or working properly?
I get the same response with lp1, and lp2; the only other lp devices 
available.  Any response would be appreciated.

Richard



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Re: [newbie] Question about kernel update

2001-10-29 Thread Jon Doe

On Monday 29 October 2001 01:56 pm, you wrote:

 That's the update for the 2.2 series of kernels.  You're using an 2.4
 series.  Generally bad news to try to go backwards like that. =)
 Updated kernels for 8.1 are in the works, just be patient.  There was
 another problem discovered after the ptrace and symlink problems.

Well thats what I thought, I got that email from Mandrake saying to update my 
kernel and I thought I had heard there wasn't one yet for 8.1. Hopefully the 
new kernel update will stop this box from crashing atleast once a day, its 
getting very frustrating.



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Re: [newbie] Linux-Mandrake 8.0 and WindowsXP

2001-10-29 Thread Lin

 how do we get the Luna theme on Mandrake?  does it come with KDE
selection?  I really enjoyed and missed apple system 7.6, but Mac
computers usually are more expensive than pc.  If we can run mac theme on
Mandrake - that would be great!

Eric

On Mon, 29 Oct 2001, skinky wrote:

 On Mon, 29 Oct 2001 02:11, D. wrote:
 |  Well why do we care about XP?  And if you just
 |  installed it how do you know that it is more stable
 |  then ME?  Don't you need some run time before you make
 |  that statement?? And please tell us how you enjoy
 |  paying the license fee again after you upgrade your
 |  hardware.  The last time that I looked this was
 |  [newbie] Linux-Mandrake list not XP.  If there is a
 |  problem running a dual boot with XP(eww) and Mandrake
 |  then yes we care.
 |  Don
 |
 |  --- Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 |   Just upgraded to WindowsXP, for those who even care,
 |   and it went smoothly.
 |   Runs faster than ME and is very stable and solid.
 |   The usual applications that
 |   would crash ME without fail didn't even make XP
 |   hiccup.
 |  
 |   Two things though in both Linux and XP I just can't
 |   get my ancient external
 |   parallel port CDwriter to work automatically. With
 |   XP I have to wait until HP
 |   puts the download on their website, which I had to
 |   to with my scanner with
 |   ME, and so far with Linux the information I found
 |   requires me to play with
 |   some settings which I am more than willing to learn
 |   just hard to find the
 |   time lately.
 |  
 |   As far as the Luna interface being a rip of Apple's
 |   Aqua, not with all the
 |   wishful thinking and eye squinting does it look like
 |   Aqua. I still enjoy
 |   Linux's adaptability for making the Aqua theme much
 |   nicer than to enjoy
 |   without tying it to a premium system.
 |  
 |   If anyone wishes to drop me a hint on the CDwriter
 |   issue or a link for the
 |   truly RAW newbie I would appreciate it very much.
 
 Quite the opposite in my case.  As I have _no_ intention of upgrading M$ 
 Win98SE to XP, I'm quite curious as to the differences in XP.  I never got 
 ME but I've read about a few people's experiences with it.
 
 Yes, this is a Linux-Mandrake list but there's nothing wrong with the 
 comparision between the two OS's displaying a theme.  And besides, I think 
 Robert wants to know how to get his CD Writer going in Linux.
 
 Sorry I can't help you there Robert.  Good luck.
 
 skinky
 
 PS. why are we getting so touchy on the M$ subject?  Must be the 
 weather...  ; )
 -- 
 But what ... is it good for?
 (Engineer at the Advanced Computing Systems Division of IBM, 1968, 
 commenting on the microchip)
 
 
 




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RE: [newbie] fromdos and todos

2001-10-29 Thread Mark Johnson

I would also think that you could go find the source code to the debian
fromdos and todos and compile it for mandrake (I can't imagine and debian
specific code required for that type of utility)... but, perl and sed is
always an option...

There is also unixtodos and dostounix that you might look for...

 -Original Message-
 From: Hans N. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 4:25 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: [newbie] fromdos and todos
 
 
 You could always write a perl script that does a regex search 
 on the script
 to remove the '^M' from each line.
 
 Hans N.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Franki
 Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 7:12 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [newbie] fromdos and todos
 
 so I need to get rid of ^M's from the linux scripts and add it to the
 windows ones if they don't already have it.
 
 In Debian, they use fromdos and todos to convert, what do I 
 use on Mandrake
 
 
 
 



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RE: [newbie] Linux-Mandrake 8.0 and WindowsXP

2001-10-29 Thread Craig Williamson (ENZ)
Title: RE: [newbie] Linux-Mandrake 8.0 and WindowsXP





Hi There,


 If you go to www.kde-look.org you can get the Luna interface (but only for KDE 2.2 or higher)


 FYI You can also get the Acqua (MacOS X) theme if you really want it. Also you can change the window decoration to system++ (I think) and you will have the classic MAC window decoration. I'm using this at the moment and it's frickin' awesome.

Craig Williamson


-Original Message-
From: Lin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 11:21 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux-Mandrake 8.0 and WindowsXP



how do we get the Luna theme on Mandrake? does it come with KDE
selection? I really enjoyed and missed apple system 7.6, but Mac
computers usually are more expensive than pc. If we can run mac theme on
Mandrake - that would be great!


Eric


On Mon, 29 Oct 2001, skinky wrote:


 On Mon, 29 Oct 2001 02:11, D. wrote:
 | Well why do we care about XP? And if you just
 | installed it how do you know that it is more stable
 | then ME? Don't you need some run time before you make
 | that statement?? And please tell us how you enjoy
 | paying the license fee again after you upgrade your
 | hardware. The last time that I looked this was
 | [newbie] Linux-Mandrake list not XP. If there is a
 | problem running a dual boot with XP(eww) and Mandrake
 | then yes we care.
 | Don
 |
 | --- Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 |  Just upgraded to WindowsXP, for those who even care,
 |  and it went smoothly.
 |  Runs faster than ME and is very stable and solid.
 |  The usual applications that
 |  would crash ME without fail didn't even make XP
 |  hiccup.
 | 
 |  Two things though in both Linux and XP I just can't
 |  get my ancient external
 |  parallel port CDwriter to work automatically. With
 |  XP I have to wait until HP
 |  puts the download on their website, which I had to
 |  to with my scanner with
 |  ME, and so far with Linux the information I found
 |  requires me to play with
 |  some settings which I am more than willing to learn
 |  just hard to find the
 |  time lately.
 | 
 |  As far as the Luna interface being a rip of Apple's
 |  Aqua, not with all the
 |  wishful thinking and eye squinting does it look like
 |  Aqua. I still enjoy
 |  Linux's adaptability for making the Aqua theme much
 |  nicer than to enjoy
 |  without tying it to a premium system.
 | 
 |  If anyone wishes to drop me a hint on the CDwriter
 |  issue or a link for the
 |  truly RAW newbie I would appreciate it very much.
 
 Quite the opposite in my case. As I have _no_ intention of upgrading M$ 
 Win98SE to XP, I'm quite curious as to the differences in XP. I never got 
 ME but I've read about a few people's experiences with it.
 
 Yes, this is a Linux-Mandrake list but there's nothing wrong with the 
 comparision between the two OS's displaying a theme. And besides, I think 
 Robert wants to know how to get his CD Writer going in Linux.
 
 Sorry I can't help you there Robert. Good luck.
 
 skinky
 
 PS. why are we getting so touchy on the M$ subject? Must be the 
 weather... ; )
 -- 
 But what ... is it good for?
 (Engineer at the Advanced Computing Systems Division of IBM, 1968, 
 commenting on the microchip)
 
 
 






[newbie] LM8.0 Video display garbled

2001-10-29 Thread Warren Post

I've finally received and installed LM8.0, hurray! (Thanks, s!) On one
of my boxes the video display is garbled: duplicate images appear
horizontally, corresponding with vertical bands of video noise. In
addition, the display image is not scaled properly and some 3/4 of the
desktop spills off the right and lower edges of the physical screen.

Here's what I've tried:

* Consulted the LM User Guide, Reference Manual, man and how-to
pages, and the archives of this list.
* Checked to see the video adaptor identified by Mandrake Control Center
is indeed what I have (Cirrus Logic CL-GD5434 PCI). They match. Because
of the scaling problem mentioned above, I am unable to see enough of the
Control Center window to further check information or try changing
settings, nor am I able to make the Control Center window smaller.
* Disabling Plug and Play aware OS in the BIOS and reinstalling. Same
result.
* Tried booting in failsafe mode. Same result.
* Reinstalled, but instead of accepting the default monitor offered, I
selected a generic monitor that matched my monitor's specifications.
Same result.
* Booted into Windows to insure that the display is fine. It is, which
tells me that I don't have a hardware or cable failure.

In all cases I've been using the recommended installation mode, never
the expert mode. I have always deleted my Linux partitions and
reinstalled; never updated the installation.

Hardware:
PC clone, AMD K5/100 MHz, 128 MB RAM
Video adaptor: Cirrus Logic CL-GD5434 PCI
Monitor: Techmedia TCM-2148C, which I am installing as Generic
non-interlaced SVGA, 1024x768 @ 60 Hz, 800x600 @72 Hz, which matches my
monitor's documentation

What else can I try to solve this display issue? My whole family is
dying to get LM running on this box. Even my technophobe wife can't wait
to try it out.

Thanks in advance,
Warren
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[newbie] security announcements

2001-10-29 Thread s

Anybody else getting barraged with every security announcement from mandrake 
since july?  I have gotten two or three copies of most of them today, and as 
of now, they just keep coming.  

What's up with the server, mandrake-guys?

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Re: [newbie] security announcements

2001-10-29 Thread Texstar

Yes, I just got a crapload of them. 

On Monday 29 October 2001 07:48 pm, you wrote:
 Anybody else getting barraged with every security announcement from
 mandrake since july?  I have gotten two or three copies of most of them
 today, and as of now, they just keep coming.

 What's up with the server, mandrake-guys?

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Fw: [newbie] Named and internet connection sharing question

2001-10-29 Thread hinet

Mmm...see also  /proc/pci , dmesg got more infomation  ^_^

- Original Message -
From: Franki [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 4:26 PM
Subject: RE: [newbie] Named and internet connection sharing question


 Thats strange, I have a crappy old Ppro system with buggar all ram, and
its
 been running KDE non stop on my desktop for ages, not a single freeze, so
 it may have something to do with your hardware, ie a device that is
causing
 a conflict for an IRQ or something, when in doubt remove all unnecessary
 cards
 swap the cards you need to keep in there to different slots, reset your
bios
 try again,, if it works, add your other cards back in, one at a time, and
 see
 if the problem reoccures... if it does, then you have found your problem
and
 can go about rectifying it...


 rgds

 Frank
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jon Doe
 Sent: Saturday, 27 October 2001 10:04 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [newbie] Named and internet connection sharing question


 On Friday 26 October 2001 09:54 pm, you wrote:
  Doing this would prevent named/DNS from getting responses back on it's
  queries to other servers.
 
  If you want to prevent inbound queries you need only avoid defining
  the internet side interface, for named to use.
 
  -JMS

 Thanks for your reply, unfortunately I am still getting the freeze ups
with
 mandrake. I am downloading and going to install RedHat to see if it
changes.
 My WinXP box hasn't crashed once since I set it up two weeks ago, the
 mandrake box has had 3 fresh installs and a dozen total freezes to the
point
 I had to power down to get out of it. lol can't have that, I know linux is
 better than that. Must just be something with my 8.1 cds or with 8.1 in
 general.










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Re: [newbie] My personal response to msn.com and Internet Explorer.

2001-10-29 Thread Sridhar Dhanapalan

On Mon, 29 Oct 2001 13:45:52 -0800, John Hokanson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 On Monday 29 October 2001 08:26 am, you wrote:
  Microsoft has backed off now, because of attention and articles.
  (I may make a note of that in the warning.)
 
  It will be back when they can do it in a way that won't draw
  attention to themselves.
 
  Mozilla is not significantly slower then IE, I have both and there
  isn't much in it.
 
 
 Exactly what type of computer are you running? MSIE is 
 MUCH faster than Mozilla. The browser is practically 
 integrated into the OS, so it's naturally going to run faster. 
 There have been benchmarks to prove it. If you like, I 
 can dig some up. 

What do you mean by MUCH faster? If you mean time to execute, then you are
correct, because most of IE executes at bootup whether you want it or not. If
you talking about page rendering speed (which IMHO is far more important), then
Mozilla blows everything else out of the water. Note that Mozilla isn't 1.0 yet
- there is a good chance that it has not been fully optimised yet, and that it
has the potential to be _much_ faster.
 
  IE6 is the first browser to come close to the standards, and it
  doesn't support Java
  applets or plugins unless you upgrade IE5.5 to IE6, then it keeps
  the support, other
  wise it does not. (but IE6 is no closer then Mozilla and supports
  stuff that wc3 don't.
 
 
 IE 5.5 supports HTML 4.x just fine. As did 4. 

You'll never know that for sure unless you do some _real_ tests. Browsers like
IE are designed to find alternatives to functions pages which they don't
support, so they can at least _look_ like they handling the code well. Also
remember that most people design sites for IE, not for W3C standards.
 
 I never (repeat, NEVER) came across a site that wouldn't 
 display properly in IE 5.5, until Sridhar posted that one 
 page with CSS. If you're using CSS, then, and only then,
 would a message be in order. Though make sure you
 point out that Opera has the same problem.

CSS is becoming increasingly popular, particularly for large sites. CSS has the
potential to make web design much easier. MS's claim that they support CSS1 is
simply a lie. Again, most people design their sites for browsers (particularly
IE), not standards (which is a real shame).

  I am not stopping them from using IE, I am just warning them that
  its not our choice
  of browser and detailing some reasons why.
 
 
 Frankly, I consider your pop-up idea to be a form of 
 harassment. You are making a political statement when 
 you should be thinking of intelligent ways to integrate 
 IE into your webdesign. I don't want to be bombarded
 with pop-ups because you're too lazy or jaded to test
 out your site in IE. This is a HUGE step back you're 
 taking. 

You have a point there.

 You are entitled to place a best viewed with text
 at the bottom of your page because I realize there's
 always going to be one browser that looks a little
 better than another, but to state that you won't even try 
 and make your page viewable to roughly two thirds of 
 the web population is ridiculous.

This reminds me of the best viewed with images on some pages which are linked
to anybrowser.org. The problem is that people tend to ignore these because they
are are small and hiding in a corner somewhere.

I don't think Franki's aim was to make his page viewable to roughly two thirds
of the web population, but rather to have a popup or clickthrough window simply
reminding people that they're using a non-standards-compliant browser. This page
can be very simple text, which can load rapidly. It won't be too much of an
inconvenience to IE users, but it will definitely grab their attention. He is
not blocking the page like MS did.

 This is about giving people a choice. This is why I'm
 upset as MS. It's not about herding people into a certain 
 direction by using scare tactics. I haven't heard much 
 in the way of truth from 
 you *OR* them. 

It's not a scare tactic: it is simply informative. The fact remains that IE is
nowhere near as standards-compliant as other browsers like Mozilla and Opera.

 
  We need to do something like this, we can't be underhanded about it
  like them, but we
  can't afford to sit by while they carry on..
 
 
 Do something about WHAT? I think the peanut gallery has spoken
 on the MSN.com scandel. Everybody agrees it was universally stupid 
 of them and that they were full of crap. 
 
 MSN.com still looks fine in Mozilla 0.95 as of five minutes ago. 
 
  who knows, if M$ .NET takes off, we may one day end up in a
  situation where nothing not
  IE will be able to browse any .NET supporting site...
 
 
 Until that day comes, stick with the facts
 
  Do you think they wouldn't do that if they could get away with
  it
 
  This is very serious,,  I really believe something like this is a
  good way of educating
  people... The truth always prevales, but only if people hear it.
 
 
 Then start telling the truth. 

He is.

I 

Re: [newbie] My personal response to msn.com and Internet Explorer.

2001-10-29 Thread Sridhar Dhanapalan

On Mon, 29 Oct 2001 11:43:08 -0800, John Hokanson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 On Monday 29 October 2001 09:11 am, you wrote:
  Actually, I made no reference to linux at all...
 
  simply open standards and free software, thats all.
 
 
 Then say so. Don't tell people they might not be able to view
 your site with MSIE. That runs counter to all the whole point of
 the web, which is to make information available to as many 
 people as possible. If you can't ensure that 2/3rds or more 
 of all web surfers can view your site, you are a poor web 
 designer just like the idiot's who use client-side VBScript. 
 Whether you hate MS or not is really irrelevant. 

No, the message is saying that IE users may not be able to view the site
_properly_. They are not being blocked, just warned.

One of the worst things about (particularly large-scale) web design is
browser-compliance. If we can replace this with a single standard to follow,
things can be better for both webmasters and site visitors. Pages will be
simpler and quicker to design, and can be more feature-packed because designers
are not afraid of browsers not complying. There will be no need for excess
compatibility code or multiple versions of the same page, so page loading will
be faster. If we can gently nudge people in the right direction of using a
standards-compliant browser, the world can be a better place. There is no
malicious MS-style intent here.

 So basically, you want people to switch browsers so they switch to 
 Linux. It seems to me you have little concern for freedom of web 
 navigation.

Leave Linux out of this. The issue is on standards-compliance.

-- 
Sridhar Dhanapalan

So, if anybody wants to have hardware sent to them - don't call me, but instead
write your own operating system. It has worked every time for me.
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[newbie] Flash Player

2001-10-29 Thread Robert Beach

I went to a site with Konqueror on 8.1 and it said I needed to download 
Macromedia Flash Player.  The only directions it had was to copy it to the 
Netscape Plugin Directory, Nothing for Konqueror.  Does this mean Konqueror 
isn't able to use Flash?




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[newbie] Need to span multiple hard drives

2001-10-29 Thread Richard Schiavo

Hello;
I am installing Mandrake 8.1 on a system built of spare parts (low finances). 
This will be a single user system.

I have an FIC VA-503+ Motherboard
AMD K6-3 450 Mhz. CPU
196 meg SDRAM 

I have installed 3 hard drives;

 1-545 meg partitioned as:
hda1  / (250Meg) native Linux type
hda5SWAP (164Meg)swap type
hda6 /var (104 Meg)  native Linux type

 1-425 meg partioned as:
hdb1 /home (200 Meg)  native Linux type
hdb5 /xxx (200 + Meg,)   - would like to use the remainder of this 
drive for an additional /usr partition

 1-630 meg partitioned as:
hdc1 /usr (600+ Meg)  native Linux type  -- I've used up all this space  
 with installed Apps.

My problem is I need to install the Kernel-source and all of the support files 
that will allow me to compile an Aureal audio card driver but there is just not 
enough room on hdc1 which is where these additional apps want to get installed.
Sure would have been nice if the Aureal driver was built as an .rpm file ready 
to install WITHOUT having to compile anything.

HOW can I add an additional /usr partition as proposed on hdb5 ?
I noticed the hard drive partitioning utility only lets me select ONE of ANY 
MOUNT POINT even if that mount is on a different physical drive.
 If I try to define another mount point of the same name it puts up a message 
that tells me You already have a /xxx mount point !

How can I span multiple physical drives to expand my  /usr  partition ??? 


- Rick



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RE: [newbie] My personal response to msn.com and Internet Explorer.

2001-10-29 Thread Franki


Actually, I agree with you, popups are annoying

and all my sites look perfect on IE, I am not using any of their optional
tags..

I am trying to inform people so that no one else does either..

I was thinking of combining that code with a cookie so that the popup only
happens once, or once a month, or once a year...

maybe I will make a div in the main page that becomes visable if its IE...

then there is no popup and still the infomation comes accross.


rgds

Frank




-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of John Hokanson Jr.
Sent: Tuesday, 30 October 2001 3:28 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] My personal response to msn.com and Internet
Explorer.


On Monday 29 October 2001 07:00 am, you wrote:

You can do whatever you want, but I won't visit your site. I find
pop-up Windows abhorantly annoying. This is one of the reasons
I stopped visiting Geocities sites.

Also, I think you're blowing this way out of proportion. As a
webdesigner, I can tell you that it only takes a little effort to
support a number of browsers with the same HTML code.
I'd submit people that don't bother to do this are lazy.
My old homepage was tested with many different
types of browsers including IE, Netscape, Opera,
Mossiac, Lynx, and some sort of Russian browser
which name escapes me at the moment. And yes, I
downloaded them all.

It's already been brought up ad nausium that MSIE does
support HTML 4.x, and the use of their proprietary tags is
optional. The MSN webmaster was clearly full of crap. Just
accept this for what it is. In a sense, you're no better than
they are by stretching the truth.

As for the security risks regarding MSIE, I could easily
write a Javascript program that does some pretty mallicious
stuff. You hear more about VBScript viri because of the
volume of computers that support it.

 Further to our conversation on this list about msn.com..

 I have created what I think should be Linux and open sources
 retailation for Microsofts attempt to force the use of their non
 standards compliant browser.

 This is what I have so far.


 Here is the code that goes in your main site..
 ##
 htmlheadtitleNon Compliant browser!!!/title
 SCRIPT LANGUAGE=JavaScript
 !--
 var browserName = navigator.appName
 if (browserName == Microsoft Internet Explorer)
 {
 PoPuP = window.open(http://mydomain.com/non-compliance.html;,
 PoPuP,
 scrollbars=yes,toolbar=no,statusbar=no,width=450,height=200,resiza
ble=yes) ;
 }
 /SCRIPT
 /head
 body
 /body
 ###
 Nothing terribly fancy about that, pretty standard code.

 and here is the page it opens:
 ###

 html
 headtitleWARNING! Non Standards Compliant Browser Detected.
 Possible Security Risk./title/head

 body
 h4You are using: Microsoft Internet Explorer to view this
 site./h4 Because Microsoft do not always support open standards,
 and they appear to change their level of support constantly,  we
 cannot guarantee that you will receive our site in the manner and
 with the functionality with which it was intended.br

 Also, many security flaws have been found in Internet Explorer
 that could put your computer and your personal infomation at risk.

 We suggest you download Mozilla (Free) at a href
 =http://mozilla.org; target=new
 http://mozilla.org/a and show your support free software around
 the world. Mozilla was created and is maintained and advanced by
 open source programmers around the world. It is a fast, secure and
 most importantly, standards compliant browser.
 br
 This is not necessary you may have full functionality, we just
 can't guarantee it, and neither can anyone else other then
 Microsoft and its partners.
 /body
 /html
 

 This opens a small featureless browser window of 450x200 pixels
 that contains the above html,, I would like to hear anyones
 comments on this.



 rgds

 Frank


Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name=message.footer
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Content-Description:


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John Hokanson Jr.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

A human being should be able to change a diaper,
plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship,
design a building, write a sonnet, balance
accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the
dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act
alone, solve equations,analyze a new problem,
pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty
meal, fight efficiently, die gallently. Specialization
is for insects. - Robert A. Heinlein







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Re: [newbie] LM8.0 Video display garbled

2001-10-29 Thread Matt

On Monday 29 October 2001 08:00 pm, you wrote:
 I've finally received and installed LM8.0, hurray! (Thanks, s!) On one
 of my boxes the video display is garbled: duplicate images appear
 horizontally, corresponding with vertical bands of video noise. In
 addition, the display image is not scaled properly and some 3/4 of the
 desktop spills off the right and lower edges of the physical screen.

My answer to this was to install and take the actual install-video setting
instead of going with XFree86.  I had no problem activating XFree86 as
a post-install, but otherwise I was experiencing the same problem as
you describe.

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RE: [newbie] My personal response to msn.com and Internet Explorer.

2001-10-29 Thread Franki

And I'm saying, he should make sure that it can be viewed
properly. Not cop out with uncertainty.

I agree with you, except Franki explicitly stated that he fears
unless people are drawn away from MSIE, they might not ever
consider switching to Linux.

==

You missunderstood me again

I made that point to indicate that if the web becomes IE only (can anyone
deny that that
is what M$ want?)  people won't have the choice,,, I don't actually care if
people want
to use linux or not... I care that people have the choice to use whatever
they want.

big difference,, the linux comment was meant as an example. if people want
to use
unix, OS2, or any other platform that M$ hasn't fit IE into they should have
equal
rights on the internet... thats what I am about,,

the message I am talking about is just to inform people a little..

You can't deny that M$ change things at their whim to confuse the issue..

I don't want choise to be taken away...

M$ have rightly decided they can't compete with linux for stability, speed
and price and
other aspects,, so their next position would logically be to make the
internet the reason
to use windows... if you can't view the majority of sites one day without
using IE, and
therefore Windows or Mac, you are going to use windows or macs,, not linux
or anything else.

This is not a linux arguement, and I hate the fact that its become one...

I said linux, I'm sorry, I meant anything not Windows or Mac.


rgds

Frank




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Re: [newbie] SAMBA and WEBMIN inaccessible

2001-10-29 Thread Dennis Myers

On Monday 29 October 2001 13:54, you wrote:
 On Friday, Oct 26, 2001, Dennis Myers wrote:
  I have tried all kinds of ways that I can think of but am unable to
  get samba or webmin in konqueror. Have others had this problem? I'm
  not finding anything in the archives. Running 8.1 and have had no
  problem like this with 8.0 on this same computer. I suspect it is the
  Bastille firewall, but don't know what to look for or change to allow
  access from a user desktop.  Any ideas would be appreciated. TIA

 If you're trying to do it on the some machine as the server, Bastille
 won't stop you (unless you edited the .cfg file by hand and changed
 stuff).  How are you trying to access them?  For Webmin, it should be:

 https://127.0.0.1:1
 ^
 note the use of 's' here =)


Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name=message.footer
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Content-Description: 

Well now it is a moot point. I accidentally trashed my /home and could not 
get it back, so went for a new clean install on the hdc and I am back 
where I was the first time I tried to install 8.1. Install goes fine, but 
once up and mail configured I can dial up and  appear to be connected to 
the server, but no mail and no internet. Has anyone else experienced this 
with the 8.1 d/l'd 3 cd set?  I can not for the life of me remember what I 
did to get online. Suggestions are gratefully accepted.  I'm sending this 
on hda with 8.0 which worked out of the box and no problems at all.  I 
think that 8.1 did not make installation easier but more complicated.  
-- 
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Re: [newbie] Flash Player

2001-10-29 Thread shane

this seems to come up a lot lately

to quote myself:

if flash is in netscape, go to configuration  kde  webbrowsing  netscape 
plugins.

if you don't see that you need an rpm from the cd called kdebase-nsplugins 
which oddly does not install with konq by default.

good luck.

On Monday 29 October 2001 19:09, you spoke unto me thusly:
 I went to a site with Konqueror on 8.1 and it said I needed to download
 Macromedia Flash Player.  

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Re: [newbie] Need to span multiple hard drives

2001-10-29 Thread Sridhar Dhanapalan

On Mon, 29 Oct 2001 22:16:48 -0500, Richard Schiavo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 Hello;
 I am installing Mandrake 8.1 on a system built of spare parts (low finances). 
 This will be a single user system.
 
 I have an FIC VA-503+ Motherboard
 AMD K6-3 450 Mhz. CPU
 196 meg SDRAM 
 
 I have installed 3 hard drives;
 
  1-545 meg partitioned as:
 hda1  / (250Meg) native Linux type
 hda5SWAP (164Meg)swap type
 hda6 /var (104 Meg)  native Linux type
 
  1-425 meg partioned as:
 hdb1 /home (200 Meg)  native Linux type
 hdb5 /xxx (200 + Meg,)   - would like to use the remainder of this   
 drive for an additional /usr partition
 
  1-630 meg partitioned as:
 hdc1 /usr (600+ Meg)  native Linux type  -- I've used up all this space  
  with installed Apps.
 
 My problem is I need to install the Kernel-source and all of the support files
 that will allow me to compile an Aureal audio card driver but there is just
 not enough room on hdc1 which is where these additional apps want to get
 installed. Sure would have been nice if the Aureal driver was built as an
 .rpm file ready to install WITHOUT having to compile anything.
 
 HOW can I add an additional /usr partition as proposed on hdb5 ?
 I noticed the hard drive partitioning utility only lets me select ONE of ANY 
 MOUNT POINT even if that mount is on a different physical drive.
  If I try to define another mount point of the same name it puts up a message 
 that tells me You already have a /xxx mount point !
 
 How can I span multiple physical drives to expand my  /usr  partition ??? 
 
 
 - Rick

The best way would be to use LVM, but this requires a repartitioning of your
drive (which means that you'd lose your data).

A simpler (but messier)  way would be to use symlinks to move a directory to
another partition. For example, you can move the content of /usr/lib to another
partition and then use a symlink in /usr to point to it.

-- 
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I wrote code that works. I didn't test it, but the discussion is closed. It
might have syntactic problems, but it does work. Better than any kernel
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Re: [newbie] Flash Player

2001-10-29 Thread Sridhar Dhanapalan

On Mon, 29 Oct 2001 22:09:51 -0500, Robert Beach
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I went to a site with Konqueror on 8.1 and it said I needed to download 
 Macromedia Flash Player.  The only directions it had was to copy it to the 
 Netscape Plugin Directory, Nothing for Konqueror.  Does this mean Konqueror 
 isn't able to use Flash?

How to get Flash running in Konqueror:

1. Install the Flash plug-in from macromedia.com as normal.

2. Install the kdebase-nsplugins package. It is included in Mandrake.

3. In the KDE Control Centre and go to WebBrowsing - Netscape Plugins.

4. Click Scan for new plugins.

-- 
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Shades of Windows, in my opinion: yeah, we know it is broken, but we preferred
some hard-to-trigger filesystem corruption to breaking a legacy program that
couldn't understand the new filesystem features. -- Linus Torvalds



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Re: [newbie] My personal response to msn.com and Internet Explorer.

2001-10-29 Thread John Hokanson Jr.

On Monday 29 October 2001 08:25 pm, you wrote:
 And I'm saying, he should make sure that it can be viewed
 properly. Not cop out with uncertainty.

 I agree with you, except Franki explicitly stated that he fears
 unless people are drawn away from MSIE, they might not ever
 consider switching to Linux.

 ==

 You missunderstood me again

 I made that point to indicate that if the web becomes IE only (can
 anyone deny that that
 is what M$ want?)  people won't have the choice,,, I don't actually
 care if people want
 to use linux or not... I care that people have the choice to use
 whatever they want.

What they want, and what they can do are two separate things. 
Controlling the WORLD wide web would be significantly harder than 
their attempts to control the OS market. If the US fails to stop them,
the European Union, Australia, Asia, and other regions get their 
crack at them.

The Internet will not stand to be controlled by Microsoft. There
are too many people running Linux. Macs, Amigas, ect. for this to
happen. 

The WORST that will happen is that third party browsers will
have to learn how parse Microsoft's proprietary web code. 
Afterall, Star Office can read Word documents.

In fact, if it weren't for Linux, the government's case against 
Microsoft might have come sooner

-- 
John Hokanson Jr.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

A human being should be able to change a diaper,
plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, 
design a building, write a sonnet, balance 
accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the 
dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act 
alone, solve equations,analyze a new problem, 
pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty 
meal, fight efficiently, die gallently. Specialization 
is for insects. - Robert A. Heinlein





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[newbie] libpng3 abiword

2001-10-29 Thread Paul Rodríguez

Anybody have or can compile a libpng2 version of Abiword 0.9.4?  I
really like abiword, but the version that comes with Mandrake 8.1
doesn't have speell-checking working out of the box.  (this seems to be
an incompatability issue with ispell, abi uses 128 character strings and
mdk's ispell uses 100)  I'm told spell-checking works with Abiword 0.9.4
out of the box, but that libpng3 (which it requires) causes many
incompatabillities system-wide.  Can abiword be compiled in a Mandrake
specific way but to use linpng2 instead?  If so, does anybody want to do
this, or can show me how?

Thanks.


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Re: [newbie] SAMBA and WEBMIN inaccessible

2001-10-29 Thread Mark Annandale

 where I was the first time I tried to install 8.1. Install goes fine, but
 once up and mail configured I can dial up and  appear to be connected to
 the server, but no mail and no internet. Has anyone else experienced this
 with the 8.1 d/l'd 3 cd set?  I can not for the life of me remember what I


Hi there

I'm sure this is the same problem I had. I went for the automatic network
detection setup (this is a stand alone machine with a dial up link),
Mandrake 8.1 appeared to have set up my NIC (I know its stand alone, but has
a network card) as the default route to the internet. So I could dial up as
well but get no mail.

I did a reinstall and turned off the  automatic network setup, and just
selected the modem access option and everything was fine. Then set up the
network card seperately.

I hope this helps you as I think I just confused myself again.

Regards

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Re: [newbie] My personal response to msn.com and Internet Explorer.

2001-10-29 Thread Sridhar Dhanapalan

On Mon, 29 Oct 2001 21:32:52 -0800, John Hokanson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 On Monday 29 October 2001 08:25 pm, you wrote:
  And I'm saying, he should make sure that it can be viewed
  properly. Not cop out with uncertainty.
 
  I agree with you, except Franki explicitly stated that he fears
  unless people are drawn away from MSIE, they might not ever
  consider switching to Linux.
 
  ==
 
  You missunderstood me again
 
  I made that point to indicate that if the web becomes IE only (can
  anyone deny that that
  is what M$ want?)  people won't have the choice,,, I don't actually
  care if people want
  to use linux or not... I care that people have the choice to use
  whatever they want.
 
 What they want, and what they can do are two separate things. 
 Controlling the WORLD wide web would be significantly harder than 
 their attempts to control the OS market. If the US fails to stop them,
 the European Union, Australia, Asia, and other regions get their 
 crack at them.

The EU is the only body with the clout to stop MS. While they look like being on
the brink of fining MS billions of dollars for anti-competitive behaviour in the
server market, they are also set to ratify an act which is not unlike the DMCA.

 The Internet will not stand to be controlled by Microsoft. There
 are too many people running Linux. Macs, Amigas, ect. for this to
 happen. 

MS essentially control the Macintosh platform. Apple have to do what MS wants,
or MS will stop making Office for the Mac. That would kill them.

Most other OSs, for all practical purposes, are dead. It's sad but true. The
latest addition to this list is BeOS, which was recently bought by Palm and is
being neglected.

Free software represents a real and credible threat to Microsoft's plans. When
the W3C considered RAND licensing earlier this month, the outrage from the free
software community was so strong that they appointed Bruce Perens and the FSF's
Eben Moglen to their board, in an effort to prevent Perens's threat of the
community forking the standards from taking place.

 The WORST that will happen is that third party browsers will
 have to learn how parse Microsoft's proprietary web code. 
 Afterall, Star Office can read Word documents.

Do you have any idea how long this has taken? Compatibility is still not 100%,
even after years of painstaking reverse-engineering. Once MS controls web
standards, they are free to do what they like with it. They will push
Windows-only technologies like VBScript and ActiveX over JavaScript and Java. I
wouldn't be surprised if they introduce binary code, as they have done in the MS
Word format. They can keep their standards moving, so that by the time they are
reverse-engineered they are already obsolete. Again, the MS Word file format is
a prime example here.

Try reading this article by Robert X. Cringely:

http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20010802.html

Of notable mention is this:

According to these programmers, Microsoft wants to replace TCP/IP with a
proprietary protocol -- a protocol owned by Microsoft -- that it will tout as
being more secure. Actually, the new protocol would likely be TCP/IP with some
of the reserved fields used as pointers to proprietary extensions, quite similar
to Vines IP, if you remember that product from Banyan Systems.

It may only be a rumour today, but the fact that so many knowledgeable people
actually believe it means that it shouldn't be ignored.

 In fact, if it weren't for Linux, the government's case against 
 Microsoft might have come sooner

The DoJ has been closely watching MS since at least 1993, when they were found
guilty of using stolen code from Digital Research in MS-DOS, and of deliberately
making DR-DOS incompatible with Windows 3.1. GNU/Linux has only become prominent
in the past couple of years, but DoJ-MS relations have been going for far longer
than that. GNU/Linux has absolutely nothing to do with the case, and had no
bearing whatsoever on it. If it was, then why was MS found to be overwhelmingly
guilty?

-- 
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[newbie] FTP access to other folder

2001-10-29 Thread trus

Hi all

The FTP service on my Linux box defaults to /home/ftp which contains the
folders: bin, pub, 
I have some files in /home/abc and want to give FTP access to this folder.

I know that one option is to move /home/abc to /home/ftp/abc, but this will
be my last resort.

I tried creating a symbolic link:
 [root@linux /ftp]#ln -s /home/abc abc

However, when I try to access the folder with an FTP client, I get the
error message:

 Requested action not taken (e.g., file or directory not found, no
access).

Is it possible to give access both to the current folder in /home/ftp and
to /home/abc?
Else, how can I change the default folder which the FTP server accesses?

Thanks for your help.
TRUS




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[newbie] Dial on Demand

2001-10-29 Thread Mark Annandale

Good morning

Can anyone on the list point me towards a tutorial to set up Dial on Demand 
for a PC running 8.1 ?

Thanks

Mark A



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Re: [newbie] LM 8.1 on a laptop

2001-10-29 Thread PENA FAMILY

Thanks, for the vote of confidence. Now the next question if you don't mind
sharing a little 411 on your laptop and experience.

By the way the display was the problem with Linux-Mandrake 7.2 with Corel I
just couldn't get past the splash window after installing. I am currently
waiting for 8.1 when it hits my local stores. I know there are online stores
but prefer to wait until they are available at my local pc software store.

Thanks.




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Re: [newbie] Linux-Mandrake 8.0 and WindowsXP

2001-10-29 Thread PENA FAMILY

I wasn't aware there was a Luna theme already available for KDE. Still
prefer the Aqua on my LM 8.0.




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Fw: [newbie] How do I stop NFS

2001-10-29 Thread hinet

check dmesg or cat /var/log/messages
- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 12:37 AM
Subject: [newbie] How do I stop NFS


 Hello,

 my system is running with a IP CHAINS Firewall. I have the follwoing
problem
 on text consoles (not under X). My screen is filled with the following
 messages:

 RPC: sendmsg returned error 1
 nfs: server pid408@penelope1:/net not responding, still trying

 I assume this has to do with my Firewall, blocking some NFS requests. BUT,
I
 don't want NFS to run at all. I disabled nfs and related services through
 linuxconf.

 To be more precise I disabled the following services:

 autofs
 lpd
 netfs
 nfs
 nfslock
 postfix
 smb

 But I still get this messages:

 Here is my fstab file:

 /dev/hda6 /mnt/DOS_hda6 vfat user,exec,conv=auto 0 0
 /dev/hdc5 / ext2 defaults 1 1
 /dev/hdc6 swap swap defaults 0 0
 /mnt/floppy /mnt/floppy supermount fs=vfat,dev=/dev/fd0 0 0
 none /proc proc defaults 0 0
 none /dev/pts devpts mode=0620 0 0
 /mnt/cdrom /mnt/cdrom supermount fs=iso9660,dev=/dev/cdrom 0 0


 I just don't know what to do more to kill this nfs stuff. Any suggestions?



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Re: [newbie] My personal response to msn.com and Internet Explorer.

2001-10-29 Thread Sridhar Dhanapalan

On Mon, 29 Oct 2001 11:42:11 -0800, John Hokanson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 On Monday 29 October 2001 12:23 pm, you wrote:
   As for the security risks regarding MSIE, I could easily
   write a Javascript program that does some pretty mallicious
   stuff. You hear more about VBScript viri because of the
   volume of computers that support it.

Only IE supports VBScript. Just about all mainstream browsers support
JavaScript.

  This doesn't hold water... as those same computers also support
  Java.

JavaScript isn't Java. It is totally different.

 There are many different visions of Javascript though. It's easier
 to do it in VBScript. It's not the fault of the language. 

The versions are not that numerous and they don't enough to pose any real
problem. VBScript is an inherently insecure language, just like ActiveX.
JavaScript is moderately safe, Java is _very_ safe (it runs in its own VM
sandbox), and C# is apparently quite safe (the DotGNU folks are using it so it
must be good).

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Re: [newbie] Installing Program Into Home Directory

2001-10-29 Thread Sridhar Dhanapalan

On Mon, 29 Oct 2001 09:34:50 -0800, Bryce Hardy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I dowloaded and installed OpenOffice 638c and it installed (apparently as a 
 default) into my Home directory. So I can't run the program as another user. 
 I used the Super User file manager to move the OO directory into /usr/local 
 instead and now I don't have permission to run it as a user. Is there a fix 
 for this? I realize this is a real NEWBIE question, but I'd appreciate any 
 help. Thanks.

Run the OpenOffice installer as root with the /net option.

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Re: [newbie] My personal response to msn.com and Internet Explorer.

2001-10-29 Thread John Hokanson Jr.

On Monday 29 October 2001 08:26 am, you wrote:
 Microsoft has backed off now, because of attention and articles.
 (I may make a note of that in the warning.)

 It will be back when they can do it in a way that won't draw
 attention to themselves.

 Mozilla is not significantly slower then IE, I have both and there
 isn't much in it.


Exactly what type of computer are you running? MSIE is 
MUCH faster than Mozilla. The browser is practically 
integrated into the OS, so it's naturally going to run faster. 
There have been benchmarks to prove it. If you like, I 
can dig some up. 

 IE6 is the first browser to come close to the standards, and it
 doesn't support Java
 applets or plugins unless you upgrade IE5.5 to IE6, then it keeps
 the support, other
 wise it does not. (but IE6 is no closer then Mozilla and supports
 stuff that wc3 don't.


IE 5.5 supports HTML 4.x just fine. As did 4. 

I never (repeat, NEVER) came across a site that wouldn't 
display properly in IE 5.5, until Sridhar posted that one 
page with CSS. If you're using CSS, then, and only then,
would a message be in order. Though make sure you
point out that Opera has the same problem.

 I am not stopping them from using IE, I am just warning them that
 its not our choice
 of browser and detailing some reasons why.


Frankly, I consider your pop-up idea to be a form of 
harassment. You are making a political statement when 
you should be thinking of intelligent ways to integrate 
IE into your webdesign. I don't want to be bombarded
with pop-ups because you're too lazy or jaded to test
out your site in IE. This is a HUGE step back you're 
taking. 

You are entitled to place a best viewed with text
at the bottom of your page because I realize there's
always going to be one browser that looks a little
better than another, but to state that you won't even try 
and make your page viewable to roughly two thirds of 
the web population is ridiculous.

This is about giving people a choice. This is why I'm
upset as MS. It's not about herding people into a certain 
direction by using scare tactics. I haven't heard much 
in the way of truth from 
you *OR* them. 


 We need to do something like this, we can't be underhanded about it
 like them, but we
 can't afford to sit by while they carry on..


Do something about WHAT? I think the peanut gallery has spoken
on the MSN.com scandel. Everybody agrees it was universally stupid 
of them and that they were full of crap. 

MSN.com still looks fine in Mozilla 0.95 as of five minutes ago. 

 who knows, if M$ .NET takes off, we may one day end up in a
 situation where nothing not
 IE will be able to browse any .NET supporting site...


Until that day comes, stick with the facts

 Do you think they wouldn't do that if they could get away with
 it

 This is very serious,,  I really believe something like this is a
 good way of educating
 people... The truth always prevales, but only if people hear it.


Then start telling the truth. 

-- 
John Hokanson Jr.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

A human being should be able to change a diaper,
plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, 
design a building, write a sonnet, balance 
accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the 
dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act 
alone, solve equations,analyze a new problem, 
pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty 
meal, fight efficiently, die gallently. Specialization 
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Re: [newbie] My personal response to msn.com and Internet Explorer.

2001-10-29 Thread John Hokanson Jr.

On Monday 29 October 2001 05:41 pm, you wrote:
 On Mon, 29 Oct 2001 13:45:52 -0800, John Hokanson Jr.
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 wrote:
  On Monday 29 October 2001 08:26 am, you wrote:
   Microsoft has backed off now, because of attention and
   articles. (I may make a note of that in the warning.)
  
   It will be back when they can do it in a way that won't draw
   attention to themselves.
  
   Mozilla is not significantly slower then IE, I have both and
   there isn't much in it.
 
  Exactly what type of computer are you running? MSIE is
  MUCH faster than Mozilla. The browser is practically
  integrated into the OS, so it's naturally going to run faster.
  There have been benchmarks to prove it. If you like, I
  can dig some up.

 What do you mean by MUCH faster? If you mean time to execute,
 then you are correct, because most of IE executes at bootup whether
 you want it or not. If you talking about page rendering speed
 (which IMHO is far more important), then Mozilla blows everything
 else out of the water.

I find the page rendering speed in MZ 0.95 to be roughly comparible
to IE 5.5, while the startup time is somewhere in the order of 4-5 
times slower. If Browser.com is to be believed, the page rendering of
Netscape 6 (which uses Gecko engine), is still less than that of 
IE 5.5. 

http://www.cnet.com/software/0-3227883-8-3607741-3.html?tag=st.sw.
3227883-8-3607741-1.DIR.3227883-8-3607741-3

 Note that Mozilla isn't 1.0 yet - there is a
 good chance that it has not been fully optimised yet, and that it
 has the potential to be _much_ faster.'

I won't agrue against that. Though I'm skeptical 1.0 will benefit 
from a perfomance boost. I'll bet money that performance won't be
addressed to any real degree until revision 2.0. The current trend 
seems to be focused on piling on the features (bloat). 

MZ is a fine browser and worthy of the Netscape legacy, but it needs 
a lot of tweeking. Personally, I would like to see a feature-freeze 
initiated after 1.0 so that what they already have can be refined.

They also should consider bringing the memory footprint down.


   IE6 is the first browser to come close to the standards, and it
   doesn't support Java
   applets or plugins unless you upgrade IE5.5 to IE6, then it
   keeps the support, other
   wise it does not. (but IE6 is no closer then Mozilla and
   supports stuff that wc3 don't.
 
  IE 5.5 supports HTML 4.x just fine. As did 4.

 You'll never know that for sure unless you do some _real_ tests.

My definition of a real test is to connect with a variety of different
browsers and see how the page looks in each one. It lacks elegance,
but it's foolproof. HTML validators are cute, but I only find them 
useful in checking code integrity for the benefit of browsers I don't 
test the page in. 

 Browsers like IE are designed to find alternatives to functions
 pages which they don't support, so they can at least _look_ like
 they handling the code well. Also remember that most people design
 sites for IE, not for W3C standards.


You're missing the point, which is that it's the webdesigner's
responsibility to ensure his code meets W3C standards and 
looks good in browsers other than IE. You can not lay this 
one on MS's doorstep. If you don't take the time to learn 
proper HTML, you get what you deserve. And contrary to 
what you or anybody else says, MSIE will render proper
HTML if you take the time to use proper HTML.

I myself type the majority of code by hand.  

  I never (repeat, NEVER) came across a site that wouldn't
  display properly in IE 5.5, until Sridhar posted that one
  page with CSS. If you're using CSS, then, and only then,
  would a message be in order. Though make sure you
  point out that Opera has the same problem.

 CSS is becoming increasingly popular, particularly for large sites.
 CSS has the potential to make web design much easier. MS's claim
 that they support CSS1 is simply a lie. Again, most people design
 their sites for browsers (particularly IE), not standards (which is
 a real shame).


I can't argue with that last point, other than to say that this entire
thread wouldn't be faced with my ire if this were specifically about
CSS. If you want to specifically put this warning pop-up on CSS 
pages, your case would be all the much stronger. 

   I am not stopping them from using IE, I am just warning them
   that its not our choice
   of browser and detailing some reasons why.
 
  Frankly, I consider your pop-up idea to be a form of
  harassment. You are making a political statement when
  you should be thinking of intelligent ways to integrate
  IE into your webdesign. I don't want to be bombarded
  with pop-ups because you're too lazy or jaded to test
  out your site in IE. This is a HUGE step back you're
  taking.

 You have a point there.


Thank you.

  You are entitled to place a best viewed with text
  at the bottom of your page because I realize there's
  always going to be one browser that looks a little
  better 

Re: [newbie] My personal response to msn.com and Internet Explorer.

2001-10-29 Thread John Hokanson Jr.

On Monday 29 October 2001 06:02 pm, you wrote:
 On Mon, 29 Oct 2001 11:43:08 -0800, John Hokanson Jr.
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 wrote:
  On Monday 29 October 2001 09:11 am, you wrote:
   Actually, I made no reference to linux at all...
  
   simply open standards and free software, thats all.
 
  Then say so. Don't tell people they might not be able to view
  your site with MSIE. That runs counter to all the whole point of
  the web, which is to make information available to as many
  people as possible. If you can't ensure that 2/3rds or more
  of all web surfers can view your site, you are a poor web
  designer just like the idiot's who use client-side VBScript.
  Whether you hate MS or not is really irrelevant.

 No, the message is saying that IE users may not be able to view the
 site _properly_. They are not being blocked, just warned.

And I'm saying, he should make sure that it can be viewed 
properly. Not cop out with uncertainty. 



  So basically, you want people to switch browsers so they switch
  to Linux. It seems to me you have little concern for freedom of
  web navigation.

 Leave Linux out of this. The issue is on standards-compliance.

I agree with you, except Franki explicitly stated that he fears 
unless people are drawn away from MSIE, they might not ever
consider switching to Linux. 

Too me, this campaign reeks of ulterior motive. Just like a 
certain Redmond Washington-based software giant. 

-- 
John Hokanson Jr.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

A human being should be able to change a diaper,
plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, 
design a building, write a sonnet, balance 
accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the 
dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act 
alone, solve equations,analyze a new problem, 
pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty 
meal, fight efficiently, die gallently. Specialization 
is for insects. - Robert A. Heinlein





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RE: [newbie] My personal response to msn.com and Internet Explorer.

2001-10-29 Thread Franki

As I said, My sites all look fine in IE, that wasn't the point...

they do all use css too, but still fine..

my point is simply to say that ie doesn't support standards consistantly,
and
add non standard functionaly to their browsers in the hope that developers
will
use these tags and therefore enable them to use the message that this looks
better
with IE because the other browsers dont support these optional tags

And can you deny the security point?  I went to alot of iis sites during
Nimda to try
and get email address's to warn admins about their servers being infected.
I stopped using IE for that in a real hurry. because
I kept getting readme.exe's downloaded to my tmp directory.. I then used
mozilla and it didn't
auto download any of them...


I am worried about it mostly for one reason.

 In Microsoft, if the boss says: M$ sites will only allow M$  browsers to
view them, then it happens.
Open source, apache,linux,mozilla people will discuss it for months and do
nothing. because they are
completely true to their principles and think that anyone who doesn't know
better deserves M$.
Microsoft will be counting on that, because people have a tendency to not
see the forest for the trees.

The tactic they are using is the same one in IE itself, they make optional
tags to that sites using them
are more functional in IE then sites not using them (the optional tags),,,
then they make sites IE only,
thereby making the number of big sites viewable with IE more then the other
browsers...  then they can say
that IE is the only browser on the market able to view all sites... thats
the big point they will push
further down the line, with FUD as normal.

Then we will all curse M$ for their bastidry of the internet, and winge and
carry on, but it will be pointless
because by then it will be too late and we will have to live with it.

I don't actually hate microsoft, they are big business and they are working
to get more for their shareholders..

thats pretty standard, the tactics are not nice or standard, but you guys
seem to be counting in the DOJ to
stop them, they make the US govt to much money to be seriously stopped. the
court case to stop IE being
integrated has been going for years,, and they lost, and still IE6 comes
with 98/98SE/ME/2000 and XP it didn't
stop them, and they now have 85% marketshare of the browser market. and now
they want to do the same with .NET.

responding after the fact makes us look like wingers and whiners...

That been said, all my sites look the same using IE, and all my Javascript
works fine in IE and all other
modern browsers that support it..  I wasn't talking about making sites not
work in IE, I was talking about
informing users...

you guys will see me as a fanatic or something, I am not, I just can see
where this is going web developers
have been going on about having just one dom to support and hoping Netscape
will disappear so that we only have
to develop for one platform well you may well get your wish if this
happens, but I don't think you will
like the results...


Still its about personal choice, so I am not going to argue this any
further. This will be in the archives now, so
when it happens I will at least have proof that I tried to warn people. :-)


rgds

Frank






-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of John Hokanson Jr.
Sent: Tuesday, 30 October 2001 5:46 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] My personal response to msn.com and Internet
Explorer.


On Monday 29 October 2001 08:26 am, you wrote:
 Microsoft has backed off now, because of attention and articles.
 (I may make a note of that in the warning.)

 It will be back when they can do it in a way that won't draw
 attention to themselves.

 Mozilla is not significantly slower then IE, I have both and there
 isn't much in it.


Exactly what type of computer are you running? MSIE is
MUCH faster than Mozilla. The browser is practically
integrated into the OS, so it's naturally going to run faster.
There have been benchmarks to prove it. If you like, I
can dig some up.

 IE6 is the first browser to come close to the standards, and it
 doesn't support Java
 applets or plugins unless you upgrade IE5.5 to IE6, then it keeps
 the support, other
 wise it does not. (but IE6 is no closer then Mozilla and supports
 stuff that wc3 don't.


IE 5.5 supports HTML 4.x just fine. As did 4.

I never (repeat, NEVER) came across a site that wouldn't
display properly in IE 5.5, until Sridhar posted that one
page with CSS. If you're using CSS, then, and only then,
would a message be in order. Though make sure you
point out that Opera has the same problem.

 I am not stopping them from using IE, I am just warning them that
 its not our choice
 of browser and detailing some reasons why.


Frankly, I consider your pop-up idea to be a form of
harassment. You are making a political statement when
you should be thinking of intelligent ways to integrate
IE into your 

RE: [newbie] fromdos and todos

2001-10-29 Thread Hans N.

You could always write a perl script that does a regex search on the script
to remove the '^M' from each line.

Hans N.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Franki
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 7:12 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [newbie] fromdos and todos

so I need to get rid of ^M's from the linux scripts and add it to the
windows ones if they don't already have it.

In Debian, they use fromdos and todos to convert, what do I use on Mandrake





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Re: [newbie] Procmail recipes drive me nuts

2001-10-29 Thread Arthur H. Johnson II



Here is my recipe in case you want it.


On Mon, 29 Oct 2001, Paul wrote:

 Hi all,

 I am fighting with procmail, and am on the wrong end of the battle.

 What the . is wrong with these recipes. They don't work.

 Set up of the environment:

 DEFAULT=$HOME/sylmail/inbox/.
 MAILDIR=$HOME/sylmail/
 LOGFILE=$HOME/procmail.log

 This one is supposed to catch all newbie mail and move it to the MH folder
 Lijsten/Newbie

 :0
 * ^To:.*newbie
 Lijsten/Newbie/.

 (After looking at the headers I see a Delivered-To:. Could that be the wrong
 one?)
 Changed it to
 :0
 * ^Subject:.*\[Newbie

 Let's see what happens when I get this back.

 This one should send a mail sent to Things on to my work and then store it in
 Lijsten/Things (also an MH folder). Things is identified by [Things] in the
 subject:

 :0
 * ^Subject:.*\[Things
 {
:0 c
! paul.kater@myjobs-email.com

:0
Lijsten/Things/.
 }

 And procmail just sits there and catches nothing.
 What am I doing wrong? Must be something really dumb...
 Paul

 --
 If you are sure you understand everything that is going on,
 you are hopelessly confused.
 -Walter Mondale

 http://nlpagan.net - Registered Linux User 174403
 Linux Mandrake 8.0 - Sylpheed 0.6.3 claws
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
The Linux Box
http://www.linuxbox.nu


# Arthur H. Johnson II's Procmail Recipe
# 
# This is my procmail recipe.  Use the templates to configure
# your mail filtering provided in the templates comments.
#
# Once you have your filters configured, simply copy this file
# to your mail home directory with the name of .procmailrc.  
# If you wanted to be on the safe side, you could also run:
#
# touch $HOME/.procmaillog
#
# on your mailserver first, but that should not be necessary.
# 
#
# General Options
# 
VERBOSE=no
UMASK=077
MAILDIR=$HOME/mail
LOGFILE=$HOME/.procmaillog
#
# Filter Templates
# 
# Address Template:
#
# -- CUT HERE --
# :0:
# * ^[EMAIL PROTECTED]
# folder 
# 
# :0:
# * ^From:.*[EMAIL PROTECTED]
# folder
# -- CUT HERE --
#
# Change [EMAIL PROTECTED] to the email address you want filtered.
#
#
# Subject Template:
# 
# -- CUT HERE --
# :0:
# * ^Subject:.*words
# folder
# -- CUT HERE --
#
# Change words to what you want filtered from the subject.
#

# Filter configuration.
#
# Simply copy from the template and append to the end of the
# following entries to create a new filter.  Make sure you 
# uncomment the template thou!  hehe
#

#
# Death to spam and stuff im too lazy to unsubscribe from or 
# can't unsubscribe from
#
:0:
* ^Subject:.*testtrash
/dev/null

:0:
* ^[EMAIL PROTECTED]
/dev/null

:0:
* ^From:.*[EMAIL PROTECTED]
/dev/null

:0:
* ^TO_msnbc.com
/dev/null

:0:
* ^From:.*msnbc.com
/dev/null

:0:
* ^[EMAIL PROTECTED]
/dev/null

:0:
* ^From:.*[EMAIL PROTECTED]
/dev/null

# 
# Filter subjects first
#
:0:
* ^Subject:.*testproc
test

:0:
* ^Subject:.*Cron 
admins

:0:
* ^Subject:.*webclip
personal

#
# Now for the standard filters
#

:0:
* ^[EMAIL PROTECTED]
newsletters

:0:
* ^From:.*[EMAIL PROTECTED]
newsletters

:0:
* ^[EMAIL PROTECTED]
admins

:0:
* ^From:.*[EMAIL PROTECTED]
admins

:0:
* ^[EMAIL PROTECTED]
mdkexpert

:0:
* ^From:.*[EMAIL PROTECTED]
mdkexpert

:0:
* ^[EMAIL PROTECTED]
ltsp

:0:
* ^From:.*[EMAIL PROTECTED]
ltsp

:0:
* ^[EMAIL PROTECTED]
newsletters

:0:
* ^From:.*[EMAIL PROTECTED]
newsletters

:0:
* ^[EMAIL PROTECTED]
kde

:0:
* ^From:.*[EMAIL PROTECTED]
kde

:0:
* ^[EMAIL PROTECTED]
kde

:0:
* ^From:.*[EMAIL PROTECTED]
kde

:0:
* ^[EMAIL PROTECTED]
kde

:0:
* ^From:.*[EMAIL PROTECTED]
kde

:0:
* ^[EMAIL PROTECTED]
newsletters

:0:
* ^From:.*[EMAIL PROTECTED]
newsletters

:0:
* ^TO_window.linuxbox.private.nu
saved-messages

:0:
* ^From:.*window.linuxbox.private.nu
saved-messages

:0:
* ^[EMAIL PROTECTED]
newsletters

:0:
* ^From:.*[EMAIL PROTECTED]
newsletters

:0:
* ^[EMAIL PROTECTED]
newbie

:0:
* ^From:.*[EMAIL PROTECTED]
newbie

:0:
* ^[EMAIL PROTECTED]
expert

:0:
* ^From:.*[EMAIL PROTECTED]
expert

:0:
* ^[EMAIL PROTECTED]
kde

:0:
* ^From:.*[EMAIL PROTECTED]
kde

:0:
* ^[EMAIL PROTECTED]
kde

:0:
* ^From:.*[EMAIL PROTECTED]
kde

:0:
* ^[EMAIL PROTECTED]
kde

:0:
* ^From:.*[EMAIL PROTECTED]
kde

:0:
* ^[EMAIL PROTECTED]
yahoo

:0:
* ^From:.*[EMAIL PROTECTED]
yahoo

:0:
* ^[EMAIL PROTECTED]
newsletters

:0:
* ^From:.*[EMAIL PROTECTED]
newsletters



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Re: [newbie] work in Flash with linux

2001-10-29 Thread Derek Jennings


Check out sourceForge there are open source alternatives listed such as 
JGenerator
I have not tried them

HTH

D


On Sunday 28 October 2001 22:03, Paúl Mancheno H. wrote:
 Hi...

   I wanna do jobs in Flash, but I need any app like Flash of Macromedia for
 Win but , of course for Linux (mandrake 8.1)

 thanks



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Re: [newbie] Linux-Mandrake 8.0 and WindowsXP

2001-10-29 Thread skinky

On Mon, 29 Oct 2001 02:11, D. wrote:
|  Well why do we care about XP?  And if you just
|  installed it how do you know that it is more stable
|  then ME?  Don't you need some run time before you make
|  that statement?? And please tell us how you enjoy
|  paying the license fee again after you upgrade your
|  hardware.  The last time that I looked this was
|  [newbie] Linux-Mandrake list not XP.  If there is a
|  problem running a dual boot with XP(eww) and Mandrake
|  then yes we care.
|  Don
|
|  --- Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
|   Just upgraded to WindowsXP, for those who even care,
|   and it went smoothly.
|   Runs faster than ME and is very stable and solid.
|   The usual applications that
|   would crash ME without fail didn't even make XP
|   hiccup.
|  
|   Two things though in both Linux and XP I just can't
|   get my ancient external
|   parallel port CDwriter to work automatically. With
|   XP I have to wait until HP
|   puts the download on their website, which I had to
|   to with my scanner with
|   ME, and so far with Linux the information I found
|   requires me to play with
|   some settings which I am more than willing to learn
|   just hard to find the
|   time lately.
|  
|   As far as the Luna interface being a rip of Apple's
|   Aqua, not with all the
|   wishful thinking and eye squinting does it look like
|   Aqua. I still enjoy
|   Linux's adaptability for making the Aqua theme much
|   nicer than to enjoy
|   without tying it to a premium system.
|  
|   If anyone wishes to drop me a hint on the CDwriter
|   issue or a link for the
|   truly RAW newbie I would appreciate it very much.

Quite the opposite in my case.  As I have _no_ intention of upgrading M$ 
Win98SE to XP, I'm quite curious as to the differences in XP.  I never got 
ME but I've read about a few people's experiences with it.

Yes, this is a Linux-Mandrake list but there's nothing wrong with the 
comparision between the two OS's displaying a theme.  And besides, I think 
Robert wants to know how to get his CD Writer going in Linux.

Sorry I can't help you there Robert.  Good luck.

skinky

PS. why are we getting so touchy on the M$ subject?  Must be the 
weather...  ; )
-- 
But what ... is it good for?
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commenting on the microchip)




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Re: [newbie] Install problem 8.1 on Toshiba Satellite 430 CDT

2001-10-29 Thread Fam. Coumans

Lee,

I imagine you have tried to look for a solution at different places. What
sources (mailings lists etc.) did you consult to find an awnser, and what
did they respond (so I don't have to spend time on the same route)?

Jeu




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[newbie] Installing Program Into Home Directory

2001-10-29 Thread Bryce Hardy

I dowloaded and installed OpenOffice 638c and it installed (apparently as a 
default) into my Home directory. So I can't run the program as another user. 
I used the Super User file manager to move the OO directory into /usr/local 
instead and now I don't have permission to run it as a user. Is there a fix 
for this? I realize this is a real NEWBIE question, but I'd appreciate any 
help. Thanks.

-- 
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Re: [newbie] Pine/Postfix/Sendmail - Franki

2001-10-29 Thread Admin

Hello:

I made the changes to mydomain and myhostname in the INTERNET HOST AND 
DOMAIN NAMES in the main.cf file, with no apparent improvement in my return 
email address when I compose a message.  Any other suggestions?  Thanks...

myhostname = casa-coqui.com
mydomain = casa-coqui.com

Dexter





On Monday 29 October 2001 08:35, you wrote:
 postfix creates a sendmail binary in /usr/sbin/sendmail for backwards
 compatability with sendmail..

 So that any scripts that look for sendmail can still use it..

 as for your startup sequence, since they are started so closly together, it
 shouldn't be a problem, but I would start postfix first..service postfix
 start

 As for your last problem, in postfix, you need to set mydomain and
 myhostname in /etc/postfix/main.cf

 rgds

 Frank


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Admin
 Sent: Monday, 29 October 2001 10:06 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [newbie] Pine/Postfix/Sendmail


 Hello:

 Thanks for the advice regarding the installation of Pine in my system.  I
 have the program up and running at the moment, but with a couple of quirks,
 which I would like to discuss.

 1.  I am running pine 4.30 under lm8.0, using a PIII 800mhz chip with
 384megs
 of RAM.

 2.  Is there some kind of relationship between postfix and sendmail?  For
 some reason, both programs/scripts are installed in my system.  As it is, I
 thought I was only using postfix and I was gettting ready to remove
 sendmail,
 but shied away when there were several references to postfix in man
 sendmail.  So do I need to keep sendmail or can I remove it?

 3.  Currently, I am executing the following commands:

   fetchmail  (from user)
   postfix start (from root)
   pine (from user)

 Is the sequence correct, or for that matter, does the sequence matter?

 4.  Now the really squirely part.  The return address on emails I send out,
 is really, really messed up.  How can I fix it?  It should read
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]  instead it reads dsimon9@localhost
 [EMAIL PROTECTED].  The casa-coqui.com domain is parked at
 earthlink, and I am using an alias at their web site to re-direct emails to
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  To make matters a bit
 more interesting, the only way I can get emails to be delivered properly to
 Pine is by  setting personal-name in its' config file to
 dsimon9@localhost.

 I was looking through the main.cf file, and there are a couple of
 settings (myhostname and mydomain), which might address the issue, but
 these are universal settings (or so I think).  If these are the proper
 settings, to what value should they be set?

 In my user's .fetchmailrc file, I have the setting set postmaster
 dsimon9.

 Thanks in advance for the help.

 Dexter


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RE: [newbie] Pine/Postfix/Sendmail - Franki

2001-10-29 Thread Franki

sorry, my cut and paste didn't work properly,

that should have been: myorigin = casa-conqui.com (left off the .com)

rgds

Frank

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Franki
Sent: Tuesday, 30 October 2001 2:07 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: NEWBIE Mandrake List
Subject: RE: [newbie] Pine/Postfix/Sendmail - Franki


well, first of all,
myhostname should be exactly that, your servers hostname as a fqdn (fully
qualified domain name)
ie something like: mail.casa-coqui.com (if you dont specify it at all,
postfix will determine it by
itself, and it may get it wrong..)

The one that may actually fix your problem is:

myorigin = casa-conqui

put that in main.cf and you should be off and running...


rgds

Frank

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Admin
Sent: Tuesday, 30 October 2001 2:00 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] Pine/Postfix/Sendmail - Franki


Hello:

I made the changes to mydomain and myhostname in the INTERNET HOST AND
DOMAIN NAMES in the main.cf file, with no apparent improvement in my return
email address when I compose a message.  Any other suggestions?  Thanks...

myhostname = casa-coqui.com
mydomain = casa-coqui.com

Dexter





On Monday 29 October 2001 08:35, you wrote:
 postfix creates a sendmail binary in /usr/sbin/sendmail for backwards
 compatability with sendmail..

 So that any scripts that look for sendmail can still use it..

 as for your startup sequence, since they are started so closly together,
it
 shouldn't be a problem, but I would start postfix first..service postfix
 start

 As for your last problem, in postfix, you need to set mydomain and
 myhostname in /etc/postfix/main.cf

 rgds

 Frank


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Admin
 Sent: Monday, 29 October 2001 10:06 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [newbie] Pine/Postfix/Sendmail


 Hello:

 Thanks for the advice regarding the installation of Pine in my system.  I
 have the program up and running at the moment, but with a couple of
quirks,
 which I would like to discuss.

 1.  I am running pine 4.30 under lm8.0, using a PIII 800mhz chip with
 384megs
 of RAM.

 2.  Is there some kind of relationship between postfix and sendmail?  For
 some reason, both programs/scripts are installed in my system.  As it is,
I
 thought I was only using postfix and I was gettting ready to remove
 sendmail,
 but shied away when there were several references to postfix in man
 sendmail.  So do I need to keep sendmail or can I remove it?

 3.  Currently, I am executing the following commands:

   fetchmail  (from user)
   postfix start (from root)
   pine (from user)

 Is the sequence correct, or for that matter, does the sequence matter?

 4.  Now the really squirely part.  The return address on emails I send
out,
 is really, really messed up.  How can I fix it?  It should read
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]  instead it reads dsimon9@localhost
 [EMAIL PROTECTED].  The casa-coqui.com domain is parked at
 earthlink, and I am using an alias at their web site to re-direct emails
to
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  To make matters a bit
 more interesting, the only way I can get emails to be delivered properly
to
 Pine is by  setting personal-name in its' config file to
 dsimon9@localhost.

 I was looking through the main.cf file, and there are a couple of
 settings (myhostname and mydomain), which might address the issue, but
 these are universal settings (or so I think).  If these are the proper
 settings, to what value should they be set?

 In my user's .fetchmailrc file, I have the setting set postmaster
 dsimon9.

 Thanks in advance for the help.

 Dexter


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Re: [newbie] ssh problem

2001-10-29 Thread Paul Cox

On Monday, Oct 29, 2001, Jhun Bacala wrote:

 After changing the security level of my LM8.1 to high, I can't no longer 
 connect to it
 through ssh client. What seems to be the problem.

Take a look at /etc/hosts.deny

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Re: [newbie] My personal response to msn.com and Internet Explorer.

2001-10-29 Thread T F Pepin

I just tried accessing MSN.com and was redirected to this page:

##
Attention: Your browser should be upgraded to successfully view MSN.com

We have detected that the browser you are using will not display MSN.com
optimally. MSN.com will work best
with the latest version of Microsoft Internet Explorer, MSN Explorer, or the
latest version of your current browser.
If you would like to upgrade to a browser that will give you an optimal
experience, click the appropriate link below:

 Internet Explorer for Windows
 Internet Explorer for Macintosh
 MSN Explorer for Windows
##
R/S,
Ty
- Original Message -
From: Franki [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: michael [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: NEWBIE Mandrake List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 12:56 PM
Subject: RE: [newbie] My personal response to msn.com and Internet Explorer.


 you should post that to the list,

 I suspected as much...

 They don't change,, why would they? what they do works so well...


 rgds

 Frank





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Re: [newbie] My personal response to msn.com and Internet Explorer.

2001-10-29 Thread John Hokanson Jr.

On Monday 29 October 2001 07:00 am, you wrote:

You can do whatever you want, but I won't visit your site. I find
pop-up Windows abhorantly annoying. This is one of the reasons
I stopped visiting Geocities sites. 

Also, I think you're blowing this way out of proportion. As a
webdesigner, I can tell you that it only takes a little effort to
support a number of browsers with the same HTML code. 
I'd submit people that don't bother to do this are lazy. 
My old homepage was tested with many different 
types of browsers including IE, Netscape, Opera, 
Mossiac, Lynx, and some sort of Russian browser 
which name escapes me at the moment. And yes, I 
downloaded them all. 

It's already been brought up ad nausium that MSIE does 
support HTML 4.x, and the use of their proprietary tags is
optional. The MSN webmaster was clearly full of crap. Just
accept this for what it is. In a sense, you're no better than 
they are by stretching the truth. 

As for the security risks regarding MSIE, I could easily
write a Javascript program that does some pretty mallicious
stuff. You hear more about VBScript viri because of the
volume of computers that support it. 

 Further to our conversation on this list about msn.com..

 I have created what I think should be Linux and open sources
 retailation for Microsofts attempt to force the use of their non
 standards compliant browser.

 This is what I have so far.


 Here is the code that goes in your main site..
 ##
 htmlheadtitleNon Compliant browser!!!/title
 SCRIPT LANGUAGE=JavaScript
 !--
 var browserName = navigator.appName
 if (browserName == Microsoft Internet Explorer)
 {
 PoPuP = window.open(http://mydomain.com/non-compliance.html;,
 PoPuP,
 scrollbars=yes,toolbar=no,statusbar=no,width=450,height=200,resiza
ble=yes) ;
 }
 /SCRIPT
 /head
 body
 /body
 ###
 Nothing terribly fancy about that, pretty standard code.

 and here is the page it opens:
 ###

 html
 headtitleWARNING! Non Standards Compliant Browser Detected.
 Possible Security Risk./title/head

 body
 h4You are using: Microsoft Internet Explorer to view this
 site./h4 Because Microsoft do not always support open standards,
 and they appear to change their level of support constantly,  we
 cannot guarantee that you will receive our site in the manner and
 with the functionality with which it was intended.br

 Also, many security flaws have been found in Internet Explorer
 that could put your computer and your personal infomation at risk.

 We suggest you download Mozilla (Free) at a href
 =http://mozilla.org; target=new
 http://mozilla.org/a and show your support free software around
 the world. Mozilla was created and is maintained and advanced by
 open source programmers around the world. It is a fast, secure and
 most importantly, standards compliant browser.
 br
 This is not necessary you may have full functionality, we just
 can't guarantee it, and neither can anyone else other then
 Microsoft and its partners.
 /body
 /html
 

 This opens a small featureless browser window of 450x200 pixels
 that contains the above html,, I would like to hear anyones
 comments on this.



 rgds

 Frank


Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name=message.footer
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Content-Description: 


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plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, 
design a building, write a sonnet, balance 
accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the 
dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act 
alone, solve equations,analyze a new problem, 
pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty 
meal, fight efficiently, die gallently. Specialization 
is for insects. - Robert A. Heinlein





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Re: [newbie] My personal response to msn.com and Internet Explorer.

2001-10-29 Thread John Hokanson Jr.

On Monday 29 October 2001 12:23 pm, you wrote:
  As for the security risks regarding MSIE, I could easily
  write a Javascript program that does some pretty mallicious
  stuff. You hear more about VBScript viri because of the
  volume of computers that support it.

 This doesn't hold water... as those same computers also support
 Java.


There are many different visions of Javascript though. It's easier
to do it in VBScript. It's not the fault of the language. 

-- 
John Hokanson Jr.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

A human being should be able to change a diaper,
plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, 
design a building, write a sonnet, balance 
accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the 
dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act 
alone, solve equations,analyze a new problem, 
pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty 
meal, fight efficiently, die gallently. Specialization 
is for insects. - Robert A. Heinlein





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Re: [newbie] My personal response to msn.com and Internet Explorer.

2001-10-29 Thread John Hokanson Jr.

On Monday 29 October 2001 09:11 am, you wrote:
 Actually, I made no reference to linux at all...

 simply open standards and free software, thats all.


Then say so. Don't tell people they might not be able to view
your site with MSIE. That runs counter to all the whole point of
the web, which is to make information available to as many 
people as possible. If you can't ensure that 2/3rds or more 
of all web surfers can view your site, you are a poor web 
designer just like the idiot's who use client-side VBScript. 
Whether you hate MS or not is really irrelevant. 


 I stated facts, and that is all.


No you didn't. You're fighting one gross embellishment with another. 

 yes, all other browsers could possibly learn something from IE, and
 vice versa, but having IE work its
 way slowly into being the only browser able to access web sites is
 a good way to ensure the population
 will never swap to linux or consider it..


So basically, you want people to switch browsers so they switch to 
Linux. It seems to me you have little concern for freedom of web 
navigation.

-- 
John Hokanson Jr.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

A human being should be able to change a diaper,
plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, 
design a building, write a sonnet, balance 
accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the 
dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act 
alone, solve equations,analyze a new problem, 
pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty 
meal, fight efficiently, die gallently. Specialization 
is for insects. - Robert A. Heinlein





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RE: [newbie] SAMBA and WEBMIN inaccessible

2001-10-29 Thread Tuan Tran


There's something else you're going to want to look for, or your
webadmin will NOT allow you access to
the interface.

As ROOT, edit the file /etc/webmin/miniserv.conf

I believe it's line 11, that by default reads:

ssl=1

Unless you have ssl configured and the cert created, you will not be
able to gain access to the webmin.
If you change that line to read:

ssl=0

You will be able to get by using http://hostname:1.

Once you've gotten that far, keep in mind that webmin will ONLY recogize
the root user, and the root
passwd specified at install.  If you have since changed the root passwd,
the new passwd will not work.
So I hope you either remember the original root passwd, or haven't
changed it.

As far as ssh goes.  Stick with it!  It's more secure then telnet unless
you're using another kind of
telnet.  I know FreeBSD comes with a secure telnet that uses SRA secure
login.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Paul Cox
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 10:54 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] SAMBA and WEBMIN inaccessible

On Friday, Oct 26, 2001, Dennis Myers wrote:

 I have tried all kinds of ways that I can think of but am unable to
get samba 
 or webmin in konqueror. Have others had this problem? I'm not finding 
 anything in the archives. Running 8.1 and have had no problem like
this with 
 8.0 on this same computer. I suspect it is the Bastille firewall, but
don't 
 know what to look for or change to allow access from a user desktop.
Any 
 ideas would be appreciated. TIA

If you're trying to do it on the some machine as the server, Bastille
won't stop you (unless you edited the .cfg file by hand and changed
stuff).  How are you trying to access them?  For Webmin, it should be:

https://127.0.0.1:1
^
note the use of 's' here =)

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Re: [newbie] problems installing 'kylix'

2001-10-29 Thread Charles A Edwards

On Mon, 29 Oct 2001 18:46:32 +0100
H.J.Bathoorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Friday 26 October 2001 19:54, you wrote:
  Hi,
 
  My system is running LM 8.1. When I try to install 'kylix' I get this
  message:
 
  [root@main kylix_oe]# sh setup.sh
 
  : command not found
  : command not found
  : command not found
 
  'etup.sh: line 54: syntax error near unexpected token `{
  'etup.sh: line 54: `function CheckKernel {
 
  Has someone the same problems?
 
 Not exactly the same problem, mine installed fine on 8.1 (the borporetest 
 refused to run though :o/?) but then: On startup, the fontmatrix setup widget 
 appears and the proccess dies, leaving the widget there glaring at me :o(
 
 Is there anybody with a running Kylix on 8.1 out there?
 
 
I have it running.
I do not know what the deal is with the font matrix widget.

My install did the same thing.
I do not know what the deal is with the font matrix widget.
I left it and went to bed, the next morning it was still there.
I closed it.
Did startkylic, just for the hell of it, and the program launched  

How long the wigets really needs, I do not know.


   Charles 




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[newbie] How do I stop NFS

2001-10-29 Thread yvan_linux

Hello,

my system is running with a IP CHAINS Firewall. I have the follwoing problem
on text consoles (not under X). My screen is filled with the following
messages:

RPC: sendmsg returned error 1
nfs: server pid408@penelope1:/net not responding, still trying

I assume this has to do with my Firewall, blocking some NFS requests. BUT, I
don't want NFS to run at all. I disabled nfs and related services through
linuxconf. 

To be more precise I disabled the following services:

autofs
lpd
netfs
nfs
nfslock
postfix
smb

But I still get this messages:

Here is my fstab file:

/dev/hda6 /mnt/DOS_hda6 vfat user,exec,conv=auto 0 0
/dev/hdc5 / ext2 defaults 1 1
/dev/hdc6 swap swap defaults 0 0
/mnt/floppy /mnt/floppy supermount fs=vfat,dev=/dev/fd0 0 0
none /proc proc defaults 0 0
none /dev/pts devpts mode=0620 0 0
/mnt/cdrom /mnt/cdrom supermount fs=iso9660,dev=/dev/cdrom 0 0  


I just don't know what to do more to kill this nfs stuff. Any suggestions?



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