Re: Fw: Re: [newbie] SMS message

[Charlie M.]

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October 2, 2003 11:51 pm, HaywireMac wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 12:48:16 +0700
>
> Fajar Priyanto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:
> > > Did anyone else get this?
> > > This is unsolicited spam and an invasion of my privacy.  Please send
> > > no further newbie "communications"and remove my name from your list.
> >
> > Why did he complain to you in the first place? LOL. I think he missed
> > his target and aimed to you instead as the first name that popped up
> > out of his mind when he's thinking about mandrake list :)
>
> either way, he goes the same way as [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
>
> /dev/null

He/she/it must have selectively sent that to anyone that sent a message to the 
list late this afternoon. I got 4, Femme got it, Todd got it, probably 
others.

If it was a filter it was an awfully stupid one. But then what can we expect 
from MS software driven by a halfwit?

Filtered here too.

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Re[2]: [newbie] and the Award for Stating the Obvious goes to...

[rikona]

Hello Stephen,

Thursday, October 2, 2003, 3:16:25 PM, you wrote:

SK> very few, if any, say something like "The Internet is a generally
SK> safe place if you don't use Microsoft products"

I've had this discussion with more than one newspaper person. But, M$
advertises in the paper, so guess what's NOT going to happen.

SK> Want a trouble free existence online? Don't run Microsoft
SK> products.

True, even if, for one reason or another, they must still run Win. It
makes people aware, first hand, that there really are other
alternatives, and makes them more open to the idea of a total M$
alternative.

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Re: Fw: Re: [newbie] SMS message

[HaywireMac]

On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 12:48:16 +0700
Fajar Priyanto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:

> > Did anyone else get this?
> > This is unsolicited spam and an invasion of my privacy.  Please send
> > no further newbie "communications"and remove my name from your list.
> 
> Why did he complain to you in the first place? LOL. I think he missed
> his target and aimed to you instead as the first name that popped up
> out of his mind when he's thinking about mandrake list :)

either way, he goes the same way as [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

/dev/null

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Re: Fw: Re: [newbie] SMS message

[Fajar Priyanto]

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On Friday 03 October 2003 11:35 am, HaywireMac wrote:
> Did anyone else get this?
> This is unsolicited spam and an invasion of my privacy.  Please send no
> further newbie "communications"and remove my name from your list.

Why did he complain to you in the first place? LOL. I think he missed his 
target and aimed to you instead as the first name that popped up out of his 
mind when he's thinking about mandrake list :)

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Re[2]: [newbie] Article on SCO: An open-source letter

[rikona]

Hello Stephen,

Thursday, October 2, 2003, 5:50:47 AM, you wrote:

SK> Just on a side note for those that AREN'T of the "American
SK> Persuasion"; the US just told Australia that they ain't going to
SK> accept our products/livestock/grain and the likes

I have not heard about this, but I'd bet it is the "Frankenfood"
companies that are behind this. Many of us in the US do not like these
"foods" either, but they have undue influence in the govt agencies
responsible for overseeing these "foods". They even try to get laws
making it illegal to advertise that you do NOT use Frankenfoods.

Europe has been balking at these (for good reason) and has been the
target of some retaliation for it. Some of us cheer when we see
research there that questions these foods. That work is certainly NOT
going to be done here. Thank you, Europe.

SK> but of course, makes the US economy all the stronger.

In the above case, it benefits the BIG politically powerful companies
the most, by far. The small guys are taking it in the %$*#.

SK> I'm of the mindset to tell not JUST Micro$COft but otherUS-based
SK> companies to take a long walk off a short pier.

Some of us here do that too. :-) We don't like things shoved down our
throats any more than you do.

SK> Sorry to digress...

Likewise.

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Fw: Re: [newbie] SMS message

[HaywireMac]

Did anyone else get this?

Has this whole SMS thing just taken a turn for the bizarre?

Pippy seems...pissed.

Begin forwarded message:

Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 01:18:18 -0700
From: "M J Pipkin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "HaywireMac" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [newbie] SMS message


This is unsolicited spam and an invasion of my privacy.  Please send no
further newbie "communications"and remove my name from your list.


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Re[2]: [newbie] Some MS Propaganda for ya (Funny)

[rikona]

Hello HaywireMac,

Wednesday, October 1, 2003, 6:31:39 AM, you wrote:

H> I did my own very small part yesterday, I couldn't convince a
H> friend to switch to Linux, but I got them to use Mozilla and
H> Thunderbird instead of the usual virus-spreaders.

I try to get all M$ users to stop using M$ software even if they wish
to keep running Win. If they don't mind a modest cost, check out
TheBat for email. It is probably the most secure and private client
available for Win. It's also a really nice client, too. :-) My choice
to replace IE is Opera, which is also available for linux.

Help stamp out M$ any way we can. If we can get as many M$ users as
possible started using non-M$ software, it gets them thinking in the
right direction. Every little bit helps.

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Re: [newbie] Article: Microsoft faces class-action on security breaches

[HaywireMac]

On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 16:56:52 -0700
Aron Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:

> Yeh I got one of the notices in the mail.. The Lawyers will make
> millions the most I can get is a voucher 
> $16.00 for each copy of Win$ux
> $29.00 for each copy ofMicrosoft "Office " Productivity Software
> $5.0 for Microsoft Word
> $26.00 For Excel
> Gee think I'll retire 

Waitaminnit, you get more for some office components individually than
Windows itself?

WTF?

Either way, this can't be good press for MS. :-D

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Re: [newbie] Why so many reboots ?

[Heather/Femme]

On Thu, 2 Oct 2003 23:56:52 -0400
Todd Slater <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Don't be so hard on yourself, Femme, it probably *was* addressed
> directly to you. I got one myself and was tempted to respond in like
> manner, but just told him he must have signed himself up since the
> list requires confirmation and that he needs to take responsibility
> for his own actions. But yeah, it was real hard not to say f*** off.
> And I checked it was addressed directly to me, which is weird since I
> assume it's a filter this idiot has set up, but it's replying to the
> original sender. By default hitting reply to the list sends mail to
> the list, not the sender. Oh, but wait:
> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400
> 
> 'nuff said.
> 
> t
> 
> 
ty Todd... lol  K now I don't feel so bad. ;P

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Re: [newbie] Article: Microsoft faces class-action on security breaches

[HaywireMac]

On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 08:41:20 +1000
Stephen Kuhn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:

> 
> http://biz.yahoo.com/rc/031002/tech_microsoft_security_1.html


" Microsoft, which received and reviewed the complaint, said it would
fight the attempt to certify the lawsuit as a class action.

"This complaint misses the point. The problems caused by viruses are the
result of criminal acts by people who write viruses," said Microsoft
spokeswoman Stacy Drake, adding that Microsoft was working with
authorities to bring malicious code writers to justice."

Okaay.

Now the car comparison again.

"Ford, which received and reviewed the complaint, said it would
fight the attempt to certify the lawsuit as a class action.

"This complaint misses the point. The problems are caused by car thieves
who commit criminal acts when they encounter no locks on the doors,
and are able to start the car with a pen-knife," said Ford
spokeswoman Stupid Head, adding that Ford was working with
authorities to bring these wily car thieves to justice."

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Re: [newbie] Why so many reboots ?

[Heather/Femme]

On Thu, 2 Oct 2003 23:45:57 -0400
Miark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> For the love of pete--if anyone responds to this, please tar and gzip
> the list first!  8-D
> 
> Miark
> 
> 
> On Thu, 2 Oct 2003 21:23:34 -0400, Heather/Femme
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Two times in aas many weeks... wth is wrong with me? 
> 
> 

I will pretend I understood that, nod dumbly & look happy.

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Re: [newbie] logrotate

[mike]

Fajar Priyanto wrote:
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On Friday 03 October 2003 10:31 am, mike wrote:

I tried "logrotate" and with the "-f" option, but it
displays version and brief help message. I dont believe
I understand the man page to well, any pointers?
I also do not have X installed on it.


Hi Mike,
Actually it's all been set up, but /var/log/messages would be rotated on 
weekly basis, if you want it daily, you can done so by changing:
/etc/logrotate.d/syslog:
{
sharedscripts
rotate 5
weekly <- CHANGE THIS INTO DAILY
postrotate
/usr/bin/killall -HUP syslogd #
endscript
}

Make sure that you set your crontab to execute the command (crond.daily, 
logrotate). It's all there should be.

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Under /etc/cron.daily I have logrotate* so I should be good to
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Re: [newbie] Why so many reboots ?

[Todd Slater]

On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 09:23:34PM -0400, Heather/Femme wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Oct 2003 22:12:14 -0400
> Greg Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > On Thursday 02 October 2003 19:52, Heather/Femme wrote:
> > > On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 01:18:19 -0700
> > > "M J Pipkin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > This is unsolicited spam and an invasion of my privacy.  Please
> > > > send no further newbie "communications"and remove my name from
> > > > your list.
> > > 
> > > and who the flying monkey fuck are you?
> > > 
> > > remove yourself.
> > > 
> > > don't bitch at us for signing you up...you did that yourself or
> > > someone who knows your address did.
> > > 
> > > Femme
> > > 
> > > 
> > Easy FF.  No sense getting your undies in a bunch over an idiot that
> > can't even remember he signed up for a list.  AFAIK, you have to
> > confirm you want to be signed up too, so it is not likely it was a
> > freind playing a joke on him.
> > -- 
> > /g
> > 
> 
> K now i'm a puddle of red embarassed goo on the ground... I *thought* it
> came to me directly!  not the list...as it was addressed to my email
> addy..
> 
> ffs...
> 
> sigh
> 
> apologies to the list again.
> 
> Two times in aas many weeks... wth is wrong with me? 

Don't be so hard on yourself, Femme, it probably *was* addressed
directly to you. I got one myself and was tempted to respond in like
manner, but just told him he must have signed himself up since the list
requires confirmation and that he needs to take responsibility for his
own actions. But yeah, it was real hard not to say f*** off. And I
checked it was addressed directly to me, which is weird since I assume
it's a filter this idiot has set up, but it's replying to the original
sender. By default hitting reply to the list sends mail to the list, not
the sender. Oh, but wait:
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400

'nuff said.

t

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Re: [newbie] logrotate

[Fajar Priyanto]

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On Friday 03 October 2003 10:31 am, mike wrote:
> I tried "logrotate" and with the "-f" option, but it
> displays version and brief help message. I dont believe
> I understand the man page to well, any pointers?
> I also do not have X installed on it.

Hi Mike,
Actually it's all been set up, but /var/log/messages would be rotated on 
weekly basis, if you want it daily, you can done so by changing:
/etc/logrotate.d/syslog:
{
sharedscripts
rotate 5
weekly <- CHANGE THIS INTO DAILY
postrotate
/usr/bin/killall -HUP syslogd #
endscript
}

Make sure that you set your crontab to execute the command (crond.daily, 
logrotate). It's all there should be.

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Re: [newbie] Why so many reboots ?

[Miark]

For the love of pete--if anyone responds to this, please tar and gzip
the list first!  8-D

Miark


On Thu, 2 Oct 2003 21:23:34 -0400, Heather/Femme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Two times in aas many weeks... wth is wrong with me? 

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[newbie] OT: 18,000 and counting

[Fajar Priyanto]

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Geez,
My mandrake's list (expert and newbie) has just reached 18,000 messages today. 
I didn't expect we're so active :)) Daily I receive about 100 messages from 
here. Compared to around 50 from Redhat's.

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[newbie] logrotate

[mike]

Hello,
I did a (not a very nice thing) to my firewall box and as
a result have created some rather huge log files in
/var/log/messages  and  /var/log/syslog
I would like to manually clean them up if I can
I tried "logrotate" and with the "-f" option, but it
displays version and brief help message. I dont believe
I understand the man page to well, any pointers?
I also do not have X installed on it.
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[newbie] Upgrading to 9.2?

[Teilhard Knight]

I recently installed version 9.1 both in a desktop computer and in my
laptop. Do you think it is all right to just erase and install 9.2 in both
machines? I am specially concerned with my wireless access to Internet. Are
there any improvement for that?

Derek: I am sorry I have had a lot of work, and I haven't been able to sit
and do any more for setting my network. I will have some time tomorrow.

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Re: [newbie] Why so many reboots ?

[Heather/Femme]

On Thu, 2 Oct 2003 22:12:14 -0400
Greg Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Thursday 02 October 2003 19:52, Heather/Femme wrote:
> > On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 01:18:19 -0700
> > "M J Pipkin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > > This is unsolicited spam and an invasion of my privacy.  Please
> > > send no further newbie "communications"and remove my name from
> > > your list.
> > 
> > and who the flying monkey fuck are you?
> > 
> > remove yourself.
> > 
> > don't bitch at us for signing you up...you did that yourself or
> > someone who knows your address did.
> > 
> > Femme
> > 
> > 
> Easy FF.  No sense getting your undies in a bunch over an idiot that
> can't even remember he signed up for a list.  AFAIK, you have to
> confirm you want to be signed up too, so it is not likely it was a
> freind playing a joke on him.
> -- 
> /g
> 

K now i'm a puddle of red embarassed goo on the ground... I *thought* it
came to me directly!  not the list...as it was addressed to my email
addy..

ffs...

sigh

apologies to the list again.

Two times in aas many weeks... wth is wrong with me? 

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Re: [newbie] command for rebooting in win

[Eric Huff]

> > I use "rebootin windows" as root. See man rebootin.

> Hey! That's bloody brilliant, Mr. Olsson! I've never even known
> about that command! Dang! Learn something new every day!

Holly sh*t!  That's a real command.  I thought for sure he was
joking...


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Re: [newbie] Why so many reboots ?

[Charlie M.]

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October 2, 2003 05:52 pm, Heather/Femme wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 01:18:19 -0700
>
> "M J Pipkin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > This is unsolicited spam and an invasion of my privacy.  Please send
> > no further newbie "communications"and remove my name from your list.
>
> and who the flying monkey fuck are you?
>
> remove yourself.
>
> don't bitch at us for signing you up...you did that yourself or someone
> who knows your address did.
>
> Femme

Yeah; I've been getting one of those "Spam" whining, post nasal drip responses 
from mjpimple (or is that simple?) to every post I've made to newbie since 
late this afternoon. As if the sms bullcrap from Russia wasn't enough.

They're both /dev/nulled now so they can waste all the time they like. I 
generally ignore morons that won't follow instructions posted in clear 
language.

Peace;
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Re: [newbie] Why so many reboots ?

[Greg Meyer]

On Thursday 02 October 2003 19:52, Heather/Femme wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 01:18:19 -0700
> "M J Pipkin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > This is unsolicited spam and an invasion of my privacy.  Please send
> > no further newbie "communications"and remove my name from your list.
> 
> and who the flying monkey fuck are you?
> 
> remove yourself.
> 
> don't bitch at us for signing you up...you did that yourself or someone
> who knows your address did.
> 
> Femme
> 
> 
Easy FF.  No sense getting your undies in a bunch over an idiot that can't 
even remember he signed up for a list.  AFAIK, you have to confirm you want 
to be signed up too, so it is not likely it was a freind playing a joke on 
him.
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Re: [newbie] Why so many reboots ?

[ed tharp]

On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 19:52, Heather/Femme wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 01:18:19 -0700
> "M J Pipkin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > This is unsolicited spam and an invasion of my privacy.  Please send
> > no further newbie "communications"and remove my name from your list.
> 
> and who the flying monkey fuck are you?
> 
> remove yourself.
> 
> don't bitch at us for signing you up...you did that yourself or someone
> who knows your address did.
> 
> Femme
Well I am glad to know I ain't the only one


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Re: [newbie] Why so many reboots ?

[Heather/Femme]

On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 01:18:19 -0700
"M J Pipkin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> This is unsolicited spam and an invasion of my privacy.  Please send
> no further newbie "communications"and remove my name from your list.

and who the flying monkey fuck are you?

remove yourself.

don't bitch at us for signing you up...you did that yourself or someone
who knows your address did.

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Re: [newbie] tip for sound using KDE ArtsD

[Heather/Femme]

On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 20:48:04 +0100
Margot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Heather,
> 
> I had a go at this - it works for the "killing", but I still have no 
> sound on restart! But then I never had the sound in the first place...
> 
> Just a quick query - when I get the list of applications to kill, xmms
> 
> appears FIVE times on the list! I only have to kill one of them, and
> the rest then disappear...is this normal, or have I broken it even
> worse than I thought?
> 
> Margot
> 
> 

hm well that sucks.  I dunno I kill all of em by highlighting them &
hitting "kill".

if you didn't have sound to start with..well I don't know.. it works for
me when the sound server gets buggered.

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Re: [newbie] tip for sound using KDE ArtsD

[Heather/Femme]

On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 06:31:13 +1200
Michael Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> One of my... ONE OF MY... somehow the rest of this mail got unreadable
> after that. Pink hair, pink life?
> 
> -- 
> Michael (not angel/o)
> 
> 
hm

being stoned has its disadvantages.. being too honest is one.

lol

ya pink hair, lavender/pink life... I'm openly lesbian.  shrugs.  Yes
"one of my lovers".  As in Plurality.  I'm openly polyamourous too.

if you wish to discuss this further, I won't bore the listers here...
just email me pvtly.

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[newbie] OT: SCO to lose more money to lawyers

[Miark]

"[SCO] purports to terminate our [SGI's] Unix System V license effective
Oct. 14, 2003. We believe that the SCO Group's allegations are without
merit and that our fully paid license is nonterminable. There can be no
assurance that this dispute with SCO Group will not escalate into
litigation."

Hehehe. Read: Pretty soon a whole new team of lawyers will be bearing
down on SCOm.

SGI did admit having some lines of System V in its work, but it bent
over backwards to fix that. I highly recommend reading this letter 
from SGI:

http://oss.sgi.com/letter_100103.txt

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Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)

[Charles A Edwards]

On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 22:59:35 +0100
Margot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> probeall scsi_hostadapter ide-scsi
> probeall usb-interface usb-uhci
> alias net-pf-4 ipx
> alias autofs autofs4

Is this from before or after doing
# modprobe snd-via8233 ?


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Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)

[Margot]

Stephen Kuhn wrote:
On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 00:16, Margot wrote:

Stephen Kuhn wrote:

On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 17:32, Margot wrote:



Is this as bad as it looks? I didn't dare go any further!


Oy. Ok...let's do this from the top.

Margot, ya want sound?

1.) Remove any and all references to anything to do with a sound card or
a sound module from your /etc/modules.conf
2.) In "HardDrake" remove the card/driver.

3.) Power OFF the machine - for at least 30 seconds.

4.) Make SURE in your BIOS that you have PNP OS set to NO and that the
AC97 SOUND is set to ON and the AC97 MODEM is set OFF. Save the changes
in BIOS - which will warm-boot - and watch carefully for any messages
whilst booting - like "New Hardware Found" - "Removing old
configuration" - or whatever.
5.) Once you've logged into MDK, check all mixer volumes (aumix, kmix,
alsamixergui - and make sure they're not muted)
6.) Reboot again for good measure.

AT THIS POINT - if you DO NOT have any sound, then we can dig deeper.

Just by doing all of the above, you should - SHOULD have some sound. I
personally don't like the AC97 crap that's built into motherboard, but
ain't nothing we can do about the manufacturers...and since we're not
slapping in a really nice new sound card right now, let's just get those
steps over with - ay?
stephen kuhn - owner
Stephen,

Thanks. Been working through your list, but only got as far as Step 2 - 
how do I remove the soundcards from the list? I've tried highlightling 
and pressing delete - no response. Tried a right click in case there was 
a menu with a delete option - but there isn't. See picture for what I've 
got!

As I don't seem to have a delete option, is there a way to delete them 
manually using CLI?


Ok...then skip #2 - just continue on.

The idea behind this whole exercise is to remove ANY sound from the
system and then get it to recognise new hardware - a new sound card...
stephen kuhn - owner


OK Stephen, here's the current position (after following all your 
instructions!):

BIOS settings are correct. Rebooted twice - no messages about new 
hardware or anything else, until I get to KDE when I get the attached 
error message.

Still no aumix. Won't open at all, from GUI or CLI.

Kmix - opens a blank window.

Alsamixergui - still get same error message that I had before 
"alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or 
directory" - the problem that we thought was fixed after Anne advised me 
to install all packages with alsa in the name, but obviously the "fix" 
wasn't permanent!

KsCD - CD is whizzing around, but there's no track listing

Grip - CD is whizzing, track listing OK

Xmms - now won't open at all

Speakers are plugged in correctly.

MCC shows two Soundcards - the VT8233 AC97 which is correct, plus the SB 
Live that does not exist on my system.

I get the usual modem dialling beeps, a beep when my emails arrive, a 
g'dong (sp?) when I switch the monitor on, and crackles from the 
speakers when my central heating switches on and when my neighbour's 
cordless phone rings, but otherwise no sound!

You said we can dig deeper - I'm too tired right now (nearly midnight 
here) but I'll have my shovel ready in the morning to see what you've 
come up with overnight!

Grateful thanks to everyone who has helped so far!

Margot
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Re: [newbie] command for rebooting in win

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On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 15:00, Anne Wilson wrote:

On Thursday 02 Oct 2003 5:18 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Anarky wrote:

 is there any way I could give a command to reboot in
windows directly from a console? Right now to do that I have to
logout of the windowmanager, return to the mandrake login screen
and select reboot, win ... I'd like to be able to give some kind
of shell command like "reboot win" and be the equivalent of that.
  thanks with anticipation
Normally you can reboot from an Xwindow terminal after you su to
root. The command is "shutdown -r ."
MDK 9.0 and later gave me problems with this command. This command
did not give me clean reboot. I tried it with KDE and IceWM.
The command did not give me any problems with any other *nix.

Can other people tell us about their experience with this command
and MDK.
Thanx,

ayoub890
I have used shutdown -r now (and shutdown -h now) under both 9.0 and 
9.1 withiout problems.  Could your problem be because you didn't give 
it a timescale?  It can be set to delay a short time, in order for 
other connections to be closed off.  'now' is required to make it 
immediate.

Anne
or had msec set so only root could reboot

Usually I used "shutdown -r now" without any problems for LMK8.2.
From 9.0 onwards it would not work correctly. After waiting a while 
after issuing the command I went into a frenzy typing control-C, 
control-D and other things randomly to get it to reboot. Sometimes I had 
to give variations of the shutdown command mutiple times to get it to 
reboot.

The command worked as expected now and then.

I tried to use the "rebootin linux" command for the first time today 
(from the command line prompt without booting GUI). rebootin had 
problems too. After a long wait I repeated the command a second time and 
it rebooted.

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[newbie] Article: Microsoft faces class-action on security breaches

[Stephen Kuhn]

Aw...po wittle Billy Gates...sniff sniff...

http://biz.yahoo.com/rc/031002/tech_microsoft_security_1.html

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Re: [newbie] SU and Root: compare and contrast

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On Thursday 02 Oct 2003 8:22 pm, Charlie M. wrote:
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> October 2, 2003 01:44 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Someone said yesterday "All of these commands need to be run as super
> > user or root"
> >
> > These are two terms with the same meaning, right?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Max
>
> Hi Max;
>
> Similar but not quite the same. Super user runs "sudo" root authority to
> ease system administration tasks while staying (sorta kinda in a way) in
> the user realm. There are still some tasks however that require true root
> level permissions.

I might be being picky, but the only difference between sudo and su is that 
sudo doesn't set the PATH environment variable. You still get all the rights 
and dangers.

In fact you get a few more, because root normally doesn't have the current 
directory on the PATH, to avoid running trojans.

You don't get /sbin and /usr/sbin added to the PATH with sudo, so you have to 
give the full path to programs that reside there.

You *can* set up sudo to only allow a limited set of commands to be run, but 
IMHO it'd be a pain to do so on the administrator's normal-user account.

Until kernel 2.6 is released there is only one root permission set, and both 
su and sudo give you the whole thing.

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Re: [newbie] and the Award for Stating the Obvious goes to...

[Stephen Kuhn]

On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 07:56, ed tharp wrote:

> I don't know (or care) if it is las colinas MSN. 
> what could you do unless you some how got BG's home IP number.

Funny, that. I did a few different contracts over there at Las
Colinas...(which, for those that don't know, is between Ft. Worth and
Dallas - in Texas). Hated driving out there from Garland (East Dallas),
but the work environment was clean, quiet, boring...definitely spent
heaps of money on the buildings out there...and the grounds...

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Re: [newbie] command for rebooting in win

[Stephen Kuhn]

On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 07:15, Björn Olsson wrote:

> I use "rebootin windows" as root. See man rebootin.
> 
> 
> Björn 

Hey! That's bloody brilliant, Mr. Olsson! I've never even known about
that command! Dang! Learn something new every day!

Unfortunately, I don't have anything on this machine to reboot
into...should I install Windows to see if it works?

(JOKING)
 
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Re: [newbie] SU and Root: compare and contrast

[Stephen Kuhn]

On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 05:44, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Someone said yesterday "All of these commands need to be run as super user
> or root"
> 
> These are two terms with the same meaning, right?
> 
> Thanks,
> Max

Yes and no.
Logging into a system as "root" is NOT a good idea - ever. You can login
as a normal user, and then "su" to do stuff "root" needs to do...but
even logging in as root is a bad thing...although, I have to say, I do
it often on a few machines here and there - but essentially, that's for
a particular purpose/reason/stupidity on my part...

Just about everything and anything you could ever possibly want to do as
root you can do as yourself...just a matter of getting familiar with how
to do it and then sticking with the process.

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Re: [newbie] and the Award for Stating the Obvious goes to...

[Stephen Kuhn]

On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 04:47, HaywireMac wrote:
> Symantec!
> 
> "Symantec reports boom in viruses and worms
> 
> The number of malicious attacks has hit an all time high in 2003. Not
> only are viruses and worms increasing in number, but, thanks to the
> Internet, are propagating at an ever faster rate.
> 
> These are the gloomy findings of the latest Internet Security Threat
> Report from Symantec Corporation."
> 
> Thanks god we have them around to let us know about these things!

What consistently gets me is that reports/newsagencies love to state
"The Internet is rife with viruses, trojans, backdoors and nasties" -
but very few, if any, say something like "The Internet is a generally
safe place if you don't use Microsoft products" - or - "The only reason
the Internet is becoming so unsafe is the lack of security in Microsoft
products".

Want a trouble free existence online? Don't run Microsoft products.
Want consistent operation with the least amount of downtime? Don't run
Microsoft products. Want control over your hardware and software
investments? Don't run Microsoft products. Want dependability and
scalability on desktops AND servers? Don't run Microsoft products. Want
to ensure security at both home and at work? Don't run Microsoft
products.

...shit...I'm on a roll this week...

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Re: [newbie] Article on SCO: An open-source letter

[Stephen Kuhn]

On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 02:23, Glenn wrote:
> Gee, Aron, did you have to quote the whole danged thing to add one line ?
> 
> 
> On Thu October 2 2003 08:33, Aron Smith wrote:
> > On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 06:24, HaywireMac wrote:
> > > On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 22:50:47 +1000
> > >
> > > Stephen Kuhn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:
> > > > Just on a side note for those that AREN'T of the "American
> 
> >
> > ya forgot " Have You  Stopped Beating  Your  Wife"

**(You have to remember that he's FROM THE SOUTH -> and hence, just the
fact that he's using a computer is a feat...)(g)

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Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)

[Margot]

Charles A Edwards wrote:
On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 22:06:19 +0100
Margot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Tried Alsamixergui - got same error message that I'd seen before 
"alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or 
directory" - thought this was fixed after Anne advised me to install
all packages with alsa in the name, but obviously the "fix" wasn't
permanent!


I have not been closely following this thread but could you post your
current /etc/module.conf.
I had been having a time the last day or 2 with my snd and was getting
the same alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed error.
In my case some f**king app had changed my modules.conf
Charles
Here's the current version:

probeall scsi_hostadapter ide-scsi
probeall usb-interface usb-uhci
alias net-pf-4 ipx
alias autofs autofs4
(I was told earlier to delete the lines relating to sound, so I did!)

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Re: [newbie] Using K3B & making an ISO

[Stephen Kuhn]

On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 01:40, John Richard Smith wrote:

> Can you cut that M$ registration crap out as well .

Read - study, man.
http://www.astalavista.com - that's only the beginning.

Personally, I don't have the time to sit through numerous bullshit
processes when I do an installation. Really. It's bad enough having to
reboot to install frigging devices. So in cutting out the registration
shit and the WPA shit and the other shit pertaining to activation and
registration, I can at least get an installation done in half the normal
time - but mind you, the rest of that time allotment is now being taken
up with all the post-SP1 patches...

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Re: [newbie] and the Award for Stating the Obvious goes to...

[ed tharp]

On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 16:47, Aron Smith wrote:
> On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 11:47, HaywireMac wrote:
> > Symantec!
> > 
> > "Symantec reports boom in viruses and worms
> > 
> > The number of malicious attacks has hit an all time high in 2003. Not
> > only are viruses and worms increasing in number, but, thanks to the
> > Internet, are propagating at an ever faster rate.
> > 
> > These are the gloomy findings of the latest Internet Security Threat
> > Report from Symantec Corporation."
> > 
> > Thanks god we have them around to let us know about these things!
> > 
> > Source:
> > 
> > http://www.hackinthebox.org/
> ***Makes you wonder what if a virus or worm was tracked back to one of
> these places. (just following the money)
like this

httpd log entry;

63.64.43.187 - - [02/Oct/2003:04:30:52 -0400] "GET /scripts/nsiislog.dll" 404 356 "-" 
"-"

whois 63.64.43.187
UUNET Technologies, Inc. UUNET63 (NET-63-64-0-0-1)
  63.64.0.0 - 63.127.255.255
Las Colinas Microsoft UU-63-64-43 (NET-63-64-43-0-1)
  63.64.43.0 - 63.64.43.255

# ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2003-10-01 19:15


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Re: [newbie] Compacting folders in Mozilla

[John Richard Smith]

Paul wrote:

On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 18:08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 

It is because Mozilla uses a kind of Mbox format where all mails are in
one big file. When you delete a message, it is somehow marked as
deleted. Compacting the folder will reorganise (copy and rewrite) the
file and physically remove the deleted mail(s) from it.
 

Is there a utility that changes from this Mbox to other non-Mbox?
   

I know there are several tools that can convert true Mbox to other type
files. Search google for 'convert mbox' and you should be able to find
something you can use. I am not sure if Mozilla uses true Mbox, but the
way to find out is to give it a try!
Paul

 

A preliminary search comes up with 
http://heanet.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/hypermail/hypermail-2.1.6.tar.gz
but this seems to be something to convert mbox to html

Then there are some scripts that require python to convert mbox to 
Maildir format whatever that is.

Don't know id any of these are what is looked for ?

John

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Re: [newbie] splitting a pdf

[Richard Urwin]

On Thursday 02 Oct 2003 8:01 pm, Anarky wrote:
> is there any way of splitting a large pdf (say 800pages) into
> smaller ones (say 100p) ?

print sections as ps and then use ps2pdf. (Which you'll find in or accompanied 
by ghostscript.)
Ugly, but it should work well enough.

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Re: [newbie] Fw: help please, hard disk lost!

[Stephen Kuhn]

On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 00:52, qhwang wrote:
> Is my first post of this message lost? I didn't receive it myself.

We can forward you the message if you like...(g)

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Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)

[Charles A Edwards]

On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 22:06:19 +0100
Margot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Tried Alsamixergui - got same error message that I'd seen before 
> "alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or 
> directory" - thought this was fixed after Anne advised me to install
> all packages with alsa in the name, but obviously the "fix" wasn't
> permanent!


I have not been closely following this thread but could you post your
current /etc/module.conf.

I had been having a time the last day or 2 with my snd and was getting
the same alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed error.
In my case some f**king app had changed my modules.conf


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Re: [newbie] Go Boston!

[Stephen Kuhn]

On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 00:26, HaywireMac wrote:
> "Massachusetts has adopted a new policy that favors open-source software
> and adherence to open standards in government computing systems, a state
> official said.
> 
> Eric Kriss, state secretary of administration and finance, said the
> policy was articulated in an internal memo that circulated last week and
> was formalized in a state capital spending plan released Monday."
> 
> Source:
> 
> http://news.com.com/2100-7344-5084442.html
> 
> Of course, in typically bald-faced irony, MS's response:
> 
> "We are deeply concerned if this policy eliminates fair and open
> competition in Massachusetts," said the statement. "Microsoft, along
> with others in the industry, including the Business Software Alliance
> and other associations, continues to support neutral procurement rules
> that allow everyone to compete. We hope the state recognizes that this
> is potentially bad for the Massachusetts economy, hampering open trade
> and IT progress in the state."
> 
> Is that a threat or a promise? LOL!

It's rather funny to note that if the entire situation were flipped,
Microsoft would be putting out crap along the lines of "This is fair and
competitive marketing!" - but since they're not a "shoe-in", it's
unfair. Piss on 'em. And their comments about "potentially bad for the
..." - what a true crock of crap.

What comes around, goes around.

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Re: [newbie] command for rebooting in win

[ed tharp]

On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 15:00, Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Thursday 02 Oct 2003 5:18 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Anarky wrote:
> > >   is there any way I could give a command to reboot in
> > > windows directly from a console? Right now to do that I have to
> > > logout of the windowmanager, return to the mandrake login screen
> > > and select reboot, win ... I'd like to be able to give some kind
> > > of shell command like "reboot win" and be the equivalent of that.
> > >thanks with anticipation
> >
> > Normally you can reboot from an Xwindow terminal after you su to
> > root. The command is "shutdown -r ."
> >
> > MDK 9.0 and later gave me problems with this command. This command
> > did not give me clean reboot. I tried it with KDE and IceWM.
> >
> > The command did not give me any problems with any other *nix.
> >
> > Can other people tell us about their experience with this command
> > and MDK.
> >
> > Thanx,
> >
> > ayoub890
> 
> I have used shutdown -r now (and shutdown -h now) under both 9.0 and 
> 9.1 withiout problems.  Could your problem be because you didn't give 
> it a timescale?  It can be set to delay a short time, in order for 
> other connections to be closed off.  'now' is required to make it 
> immediate.
> 
> Anne
or had msec set so only root could reboot


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Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)

[Stephen Kuhn]

On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 00:16, Margot wrote:
> Stephen Kuhn wrote:
> > On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 17:32, Margot wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >>Is this as bad as it looks? I didn't dare go any further!
> > 
> > 
> > Oy. Ok...let's do this from the top.
> > 
> > Margot, ya want sound?
> > 
> > 1.) Remove any and all references to anything to do with a sound card or
> > a sound module from your /etc/modules.conf
> > 
> > 2.) In "HardDrake" remove the card/driver.
> > 
> > 3.) Power OFF the machine - for at least 30 seconds.
> > 
> > 4.) Make SURE in your BIOS that you have PNP OS set to NO and that the
> > AC97 SOUND is set to ON and the AC97 MODEM is set OFF. Save the changes
> > in BIOS - which will warm-boot - and watch carefully for any messages
> > whilst booting - like "New Hardware Found" - "Removing old
> > configuration" - or whatever.
> > 
> > 5.) Once you've logged into MDK, check all mixer volumes (aumix, kmix,
> > alsamixergui - and make sure they're not muted)
> > 
> > 6.) Reboot again for good measure.
> > 
> > AT THIS POINT - if you DO NOT have any sound, then we can dig deeper.
> > 
> > Just by doing all of the above, you should - SHOULD have some sound. I
> > personally don't like the AC97 crap that's built into motherboard, but
> > ain't nothing we can do about the manufacturers...and since we're not
> > slapping in a really nice new sound card right now, let's just get those
> > steps over with - ay?
> >  
> > stephen kuhn - owner
> 
> Stephen,
> 
> Thanks. Been working through your list, but only got as far as Step 2 - 
> how do I remove the soundcards from the list? I've tried highlightling 
> and pressing delete - no response. Tried a right click in case there was 
> a menu with a delete option - but there isn't. See picture for what I've 
> got!
> 
> As I don't seem to have a delete option, is there a way to delete them 
> manually using CLI?

Ok...then skip #2 - just continue on.

The idea behind this whole exercise is to remove ANY sound from the
system and then get it to recognise new hardware - a new sound card...

stephen kuhn - owner
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Re: [newbie] XFce 4.0

[Stephen Kuhn]

On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 23:46, Todd Slater wrote:

> The former. Still struggling with the latter.

...but at your highly advanced age, ladders are a struggle anyways,
ain't that correct? (g)

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Re: [newbie] imwheel button mapping

[HaywireMac]

On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 14:08:38 -0500
Kelly McCormick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:

> Hi, Haywire, thanks for trying, but I'm afraid the short answer is no,
> 
> that's not it. I tried it again just to make sure, but it only
> prevents the side buttons from working at all. I believe that protocol
> is for the Intellimouse version rather than the Intellimouse Explorer
> version.

I believe you are correct.

> 
> Thanks for taking a stab at it, apparently nobody is using this mouse?
> Any other ideas are welcome!

I actually do have that same mouse, the one with the side buttons, I've
played with various settings off and on, here and there, but I've never
gotten them to work. 'Course, I didn't know about imwheel before either.

When I start imwheel with X, it messes my scroll-thru-my-desktops
function in my WM, mapped to button 5 and 6. In my XF config, the wheel
is mapped to those, so maybe I'll play with starting imwheel, and
changing the mapping to 6 and 7 and add an xmodmap line to my .xinitrc
and see what happens.

I don't use the forward and back buttons much at all in my browser, so I
guess that's why I've never really bothered much with those extra
buttons, but now that I think of it, they might come in handy for other
things. My mitts are a bit big to access those things easily though...

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Re: [newbie] Instant application shut down.

[Stephen Kuhn]

On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 23:29, Smith Joe wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> I have noticed an oddity.  When I start any of the
> OpenOffice applications as soon as the program is
> loaded it immediately shuts down again.  What am I
> doing wrong?

You might want to see if there are "core dumps" in your home
directory...another thing to do is to open up a terminal window, and
manually type out:

oowriter

...and watch what is happening after you type that...(of course, you
must hit ENTER or RETURN)...this will give you a clue as to what is
going on...

What version of MDK are you using? Have you installed/reconfigured any
applications or system settings recently? When was the last time this
worked correctly and what has changed since that time?

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Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)

[Margot]

Damian Gatabria wrote:
El jue, 02-10-2003 a las 15:21, Margot escribió:

Damian Gatabria wrote:

El jue, 02-10-2003 a las 10:58, Margot escribió:


Damian Gatabria wrote:


El jue, 02-10-2003 a las 04:48, Damian Gatabria escribió:



here's the output:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] margot]# insmod snd-via8233
Using /lib/modules/2.4.19-16mdk/kernel/sound/pci/snd-via8233.o.gz
/lib/modules/2.4.19-16mdk/kernel/sound/pci/snd-via8233.o.gz: unresolved 
symbol snd_ac97_set_rate
/lib/modules/2.4.19-16mdk/kernel/sound/pci/snd-via8233.o.gz: unresolved 
symbol snd_pcm_new_Re5b2d829

Is this as bad as it looks? I didn't dare go any further!


No, not really... it means that either:

a) another module is to be loaded first. 
b) your current kernel has no support for that card (highly unlikely)
it's 4:45 am. I'll check it out after i get some sleep.



Ok, try:

modprobe soundcore
modprobe snd-via8233
Does it still spit all the errors?

Hope you slept well!

No errors, in fact no response at all:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] margot]# modprobe soundcore
[EMAIL PROTECTED] margot]# modprobe snd-via8233
[EMAIL PROTECTED] margot]#
Margot


nice! now let's keep going.
Open up aumix, turn the volume up, set xmms to play
using ALSA as i described in the other post, and try
to play something.
Damian

One step forward, three steps back

I now seem to have broken aumix - try to open using the K menu, just get 
an eggtimer for a few seconds then nothing. Tried from CLI, got no 
response at all, not even an error message!



...
umm.. try restarting the sound services first:
service sound start
service alsa start
...should be working any minute now :oP



Still no aumix. Tried reboot - see attached picture of error message.

Tried Kmix - opened a blank window.

Tried Alsamixergui - got same error message that I'd seen before 
"alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or 
directory" - thought this was fixed after Anne advised me to install all 
packages with alsa in the name, but obviously the "fix" wasn't permanent!
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Re: [newbie] command for rebooting in win

[Björn Olsson]

On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 23:11:41 +0300 Anarky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Björn Olsson wrote:
> 
> >On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 19:02:32 +0300  Anarky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >  
> >
> >>   is there any way I could give a command to reboot in windows 
> >>directly from a console? Right now to do that I have to logout of
> >the >windowmanager, return to the mandrake login screen and select
> >reboot, >win ... I'd like to be able to give some kind of shell
> >command like >"reboot win" and be the equivalent of that.
> >>thanks with anticipation
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >I use "rebootin windows" as root. See man rebootin.
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> wow .. thanks ... but there's a problem ... I wanted to be able to 
> reboot with a simple fast command from my user .. so I made a script, 
> put it in /usr/bin that would do "/usr/sbin/rebootin w2k" ... however
> .. it only works as root, when I run it as my user i get:
> 
> "Can't detect your bootloader"
> 
> is there something I need to do ?

I'd like to run it as a normal user as well, but I don't think it's
possible. In the rebootin script there is a variable $bootloader with a
reference to another script, detectloader. In detectloader is a line
that reads "The detectloader must be run as root to work properly."
Maybe someone else can suggest a solution?

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Re: [newbie] Software Patents

[Aron Smith]

On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 14:23, John Richard Smith wrote:
> Aron Smith wrote:
> 
> >On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 10:05, John Richard Smith wrote:
> >  
> >
> >>Aron Smith wrote:
> >>big snip>>
> >>OK then, so my approach when I tackle the MEP is something allong these 
> >>lines,
> >>
> >>Did you know the EU legislators are preposing to allow patenting of copy 
> >>write ?
> >>
> >>and as you surely know you cannot patent copy write , only novel inventions
> >>
> >>JohnThere used to be a sign in the press room of the Alabama State Capitol
> >>
> >>
> >"When the Legislature Is In Session No Mans Life Liberty , Property nor
> >Daughter is Safe" (Don't know if it still exists)
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> Yes, that about sum's it up correctly,  really, it's akin to Margot's 
> missive about if  "it aint broke don't fix it".  but here we have that 
> compulsive urge of Government to meddle in things they don't understand 
> and as such end up having to rely on people like vested interest group  
> advice to guide them, and inevitably end up creating as much of a 
> problem as they thought they were curing.
> 
> John
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Re: [newbie] and the Award for Stating the Obvious goes to...

[Aron Smith]

On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 11:47, HaywireMac wrote:
> Symantec!
> 
> "Symantec reports boom in viruses and worms
> 
> The number of malicious attacks has hit an all time high in 2003. Not
> only are viruses and worms increasing in number, but, thanks to the
> Internet, are propagating at an ever faster rate.
> 
> These are the gloomy findings of the latest Internet Security Threat
> Report from Symantec Corporation."
> 
> Thanks god we have them around to let us know about these things!
> 
> Source:
> 
> http://www.hackinthebox.org/
***Makes you wonder what if a virus or worm was tracked back to one of
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[newbie] Mdk rpms for 0.9.6claws

[Charles A Edwards]

Mandrake rpms for sylpheed-0.9.6claws are now avaiable.

For any running the 9.2 beta or RC the rpms can be DLed from any
cooker mirror.
This must be done manually as the hdlist for the mirrors will not be
updated again until 9.2 is released in 2 wks.

For any running Mdk-9.1 the rpms can be DLed from my site.


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Re: [newbie] Samba vs LinNieghborhood

[Derek Jennings]

On Thursday 02 Oct 2003 9:19 pm, Burrows, Scott wrote:
> Derek,
> I can seek the Linux box on the lan from windows.  Yet when I bring up MCC
> to see what samba packages I have available to install it shows Samba
> server,  Samba client.  And to make it even more wierd Web Admin shows
> Samba server is running and available for configuring.   I did btw simply
> add the windows domain name to configure Samba server.
>
> Wierd that the server package appears avail for installing when it must
> already be.
>
> I would prefer to use Kongueror to browse the lan from the linux side just
> like I would use Explorer to browse the lan from the windows side.  I'll
> see if the Lisa rpm you mentioned is available.
>
> Right now I'm installing Samba server (though it must be already) and Samba
> client.
>
> Scott
>
> PS:  Derek, are you avail for online chatting?
>

I expect what you are seeing is that there is an upgrade available for Samba 
on one of your urpmi sources
rpm -q samba-server
will tell you the version you are currently running.

With lisa there will be a new config window in KDE Control Centre to configure 
it. To be honest I got turned off Lisa in Mandrake 8.1 because it was flaky. 
I hope it is better now.
My favourite Windows network browser is komba2 (in contrib) Unfortunately the 
version for 9.1 is a bit buggy so now I am using LinNeighborhood.

I can be reached on jabber (when  I remember to start it) on
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: [newbie] List weirdness

[John Richard Smith]

Poogle wrote:

On Thursday 02 Oct 2003 H:02 pm, Douglas Bainbridge wrote:
 

On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 21:49, mooney wrote:
   

I, too, am getting weird responses to mails.
 



   

Finally, I'm off on 2 weeks hols, and I can't seem to unsub from the
site.
 



Join the club. I've never found the 'set newbie nomail' work either.

DougB
   

I use  set newbie nomail whenever I am away for any length of time and have 
no problems (just come back after 3 weeks away to no newbie e mails at all)
 

 

I find the answer is to take all your ISP login data with you on a 
floppy and then use that to log directly in on anyone's computer and 
read your mail and delete them on a daily basis from withing the ISP's 
server.
That way you keep the mail from building up to much but you don't leave 
your website details on someone elses machine either, and you don't need 
to lug a copmuter around with you.

John

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Re: [newbie] Software Patents

[John Richard Smith]

Aron Smith wrote:

On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 10:05, John Richard Smith wrote:
 

Aron Smith wrote:
big snip>>
OK then, so my approach when I tackle the MEP is something allong these 
lines,

Did you know the EU legislators are preposing to allow patenting of copy 
write ?

and as you surely know you cannot patent copy write , only novel inventions

JohnThere used to be a sign in the press room of the Alabama State Capitol
   

"When the Legislature Is In Session No Mans Life Liberty , Property nor
Daughter is Safe" (Don't know if it still exists)
 

Yes, that about sum's it up correctly,  really, it's akin to Margot's 
missive about if  "it aint broke don't fix it".  but here we have that 
compulsive urge of Government to meddle in things they don't understand 
and as such end up having to rely on people like vested interest group  
advice to guide them, and inevitably end up creating as much of a 
problem as they thought they were curing.

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Re: [newbie] SU and Root: compare and contrast

[Charlie M.]

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October 2, 2003 01:44 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Someone said yesterday "All of these commands need to be run as super user
> or root"
>
> These are two terms with the same meaning, right?
>
> Thanks,
> Max

Hi Max;

Similar but not quite the same. Super user runs "sudo" root authority to ease 
system administration tasks while staying (sorta kinda in a way) in the user 
realm. There are still some tasks however that require true root level 
permissions.

To make things as simple as possible: from "user space" if you open a terminal 
and type 
su 
then supply the root password at the prompt you'll be running as super user 
from whatever directory the terminal was started from. If you type 
su - 
then the password however, you'll notice that the resulting prompt is at root. 
True root, full permissions and access, nearly all system level tasks and 
applications available, with concurrent ability to destroy your installation 
with inadvertent "whoopsies."

You can also use
su 
to run as any other user on the system as long as you have the password.

Remember that 'nix was never designed to prevent us from doing dumb things; 
but to allow us to have the full power and flexibility of the operating 
system, and you should be fine.

Hopefully. (-;

Maybe I shouldn't have posted this, or the statement I did yesterday, but hey 
it's your system. 
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Re: [newbie] USB not "hot-swappable" in Linux?

[RichardA]

On 02 Oct 2003 06:45:23 +0700, Merlin Zener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Hi,
> I find that unless I have my USB external hard drive connected and
> powered up *before* booting, Linux won't find it. Is that the way it
> normally is, or is there something wrong with my system?

This works for others, so yes.
I have to run diskdrake to get /mnt/removable to appear, and then I can
mount my sd-ram card, which is also a USB mass storage device. I've been
blaming my very old (~4 yrs) motherboard.

> Is the there equivalent of the "stop device" function, so I can safely
> unplug without powering down the computer first?

Umount?

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RE: [newbie] Samba vs LinNieghborhood

[Burrows, Scott]

Derek,
I can seek the Linux box on the lan from windows.  Yet when I bring up MCC
to see what samba packages I have available to install it shows Samba
server,  Samba client.  And to make it even more wierd Web Admin shows Samba
server is running and available for configuring.   I did btw simply add the
windows domain name to configure Samba server.

Wierd that the server package appears avail for installing when it must
already be.

I would prefer to use Kongueror to browse the lan from the linux side just
like I would use Explorer to browse the lan from the windows side.  I'll see
if the Lisa rpm you mentioned is available.  

Right now I'm installing Samba server (though it must be already) and Samba
client.

Scott

PS:  Derek, are you avail for online chatting?





> -Original Message-
> From: Derek Jennings [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 3:18 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [newbie] Samba vs LinNieghborhood
> 
> 
> On Thursday 02 Oct 2003 7:46 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Derek Jennings wrote:
> > > On Thursday 02 Oct 2003 6:25 pm, Burrows, Scott wrote:
> > >>Hi all,
> > >>
> > >>I have my MDK 9.1 box connected to our Windows network 
> here at work using
> > >>Samba.  From a windows box I can see my linux box on the network.
> > >>
> > >>Using Samba alone should I be able to browse the windows network?
> > >>Currently I dont seem to be able to.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>If yes can I log onto the Windows network from my linux 
> box and browse
> > >> the network?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>If I can use Samba for that then what is LinNieghborhood used for?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Thanks from a newbie.
> > >>
> > >>Scott
> > >
> > > It is not a question of Samba vs LinNeighborhood
> > >
> > > Samba itself is split into 2 parts
> > > Samba client - to allow you to browse windows networlks, and
> > >
> > > Samba server - to allow Windows computers to browse you
> > >
> > > LinNeighborhood is simply a GUI which uses Samba-client 
> to browse Windows
> > > networks.
> > > Alternatively you can browse Win networks with Komba2, 
> xffm, Gnomba, or
> > > after installing  the lisa RPM by clicking on that little 
> 'cog wheel' in
> > > the konqueror tool bar between the left and right panes, 
> and selecting
> > > 'Lan Browser'
> > > Whichever method you use they all require Samba-client.
> > >
> > > If you are having trouble browsing your Windows network, 
> then the first
> > > thing I would check is your firewall.
> > > If you have a firewall between your Linux box and the 
> Windows net, it
> > > will kill Samba dead.
> > >
> > > derek
> >
> > Will we still need to have SWAT and WEBMIN after we install
> > LinNeighborhood?
> >
> > Thanx,
> >
> > ayoub890
> 
> 
>  Samba client does not need any configuration. Just install 
> samba-client and 
> LinNeighborhood and you are ready to browse Windows networks.
> 
> samba-sever requires configuration. But the default 
> configuration works "out 
> of the box" All you have to do is edit the config file 
> /etc/samba/smb.conf to 
> set your Windows Workgroup name.
> You can use webmin to do that if you wish.
> 
> I would advise against SWAT, because although it has a nice 
> GUI, and has some 
> nice help files, it will delete the (working) default smb.conf file.
> 
> One tool you might like to try is ksambaplugin (RPM in Contrib)
> It will put a new tool in your KDE Control Centre to 
> configure Samba server.
> 
> derek
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Re: [newbie] Why so many reboots ?

[Heather/Femme]

On 02 Oct 2003 06:43:41 -0400
ed tharp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 21:33, Carroll Grigsby wrote:
> 
> 
> > And now you know why I haven't gotten the nerve to try to
> > resuscitate my old Win98SE installation since I rebuilt my system
> > four months ago. I don't need no aggravation.
> > -- cmg
> > 
> > 
> this statement makes me wonder,,,
> I have/had a triple boot, winME, Win2k, and MDK9.1. after a few
> problems(me screwing around) hosed first winME and then 2k, and I know
> I 'can' fix them, it just takes time, and reboots, and I don't need to
> bother with those partitions. I wonder how many of 'previous'
> dual-booters are waiting for hell to freeze before they find the time
> to fix their MS partitions.  
> 

some day I may hose windows...and if I do..well I'll fix it asap likely
as there is still stuff I only do in windows..though that is diminishing
rapidly...as I have not booted to windows in 4 weeks now. :)

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Re: [newbie] Using K3B & making an ISO

[Heather/Femme]

On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 20:08:36 +1000
Stephen Kuhn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 19:30, Franki wrote:
> 
> > To be honest, I can't be entirely sure, I've never specified a dir..
> > 
> > I'd say its very possible that :
> > 
> > mkisofs -o /home/heatheri/distros/cdrom.iso /mnt/cdrom
> > 
> > Would be a good place to start..
> > 
> > There are a heap of options for mkisofs to change the format of the
> > iso, so you might want to look at the man page.. But I suspect you
> > don't really need to for the CD you are copying, since its old and I
> > don't think it contains long filenames etc...
> > 
> > rgds
> > 
> > Franki
> 
> mkisofs -o /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.21-0.13mdk /mnt/cdrom
> 
> ...would that work?
> 
> stephen kuhn - owner

ty it probably will/does.

now to figure out that fucking SAMBA problem so I can get hte iso onto
my laptop.

grr

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Re: [newbie] command for rebooting in win

[Anarky]

Björn Olsson wrote:

On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 19:02:32 +0300  Anarky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 

  is there any way I could give a command to reboot in windows 
directly from a console? Right now to do that I have to logout of the 
windowmanager, return to the mandrake login screen and select reboot, 
win ... I'd like to be able to give some kind of shell command like 
"reboot win" and be the equivalent of that.
   thanks with anticipation

   

I use "rebootin windows" as root. See man rebootin.

 

wow .. thanks ... but there's a problem ... I wanted to be able to 
reboot with a simple fast command from my user .. so I made a script, 
put it in /usr/bin that would do "/usr/sbin/rebootin w2k" ... however .. 
it only works as root, when I run it as my user i get:

"Can't detect your bootloader"

   is there something I need to do ?



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Re: [newbie] Me thinks I got a virus

[Terence J. Golightly]

On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 02:46, Sharrea Day wrote:
> On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 18:48, Raffaele Belardi wrote:
> > I think e2fschk is a front end that invokes the correct fsck.* program.
> > If you type man fsck.ext3 you are shown the e2fschk man page.
> >
> > On my MDK9.1 there is no fsck.reiserfs command, only fsck.ext3. Could it
> > be an alias?
> 
> How 'bout /sbin/reiserfsck?

After a little digging I found reiserfsck and was using it to check my
partitions from a rescue book and everything checked out ok.  I just
don't understand why no info is displayed when linux is restarted after
a crash.

BTW since I think my HD and partitions are ok, I'm using memtest to
check my RAM and cache and it isn't looking good, but that is for
another thread.

Thanks

Terry

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Re: [newbie] SU and Root: compare and contrast

[Paul]

On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 21:44, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Someone said yesterday "All of these commands need to be run as super user
> or root"
> 
> These are two terms with the same meaning, right?

Yes.

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[newbie] splitting a pdf

[Anarky]

   is there any way of splitting a large pdf (say 800pages) into 
smaller ones (say 100p) ?


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[newbie] SU and Root: compare and contrast

[Max . Benitz]

Someone said yesterday "All of these commands need to be run as super user
or root"

These are two terms with the same meaning, right?

Thanks,
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Re: [newbie] tip for sound using KDE ArtsD

[Margot]

Heather/Femme wrote:
I've had instances of XMMS crashing off & on.  No big deal.

Problem: it crashes and you Skull & Xbones the bugger. (Kill it with
CTRL-ESC), then try killing all the sound processes.
fine.
restart xmms, but it doesn't play or there is no sound yet its playing.
K so now what?  Well one of my lovers told me to go into the KDE Control
centre... in there find your sound settings...its the first one under
"SOUND".
now change something.  I usually enable Network sound stuff... hit
apply.
now uncheck it again & hit apply.

you can now restart xmms & the sound server *arts* will restart
automatically.  voila! sound!
odd workaround but shrugs... it works.

Michael Angelos Venus of Femme


Heather,

I had a go at this - it works for the "killing", but I still have no 
sound on restart! But then I never had the sound in the first place...

Just a quick query - when I get the list of applications to kill, xmms 
appears FIVE times on the list! I only have to kill one of them, and the 
rest then disappear...is this normal, or have I broken it even worse 
than I thought?

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Re: [newbie] Compacting folders in Mozilla

[Charlie M.]

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October 2, 2003 01:12 pm, Paul wrote:
> On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 20:12, Charlie M. wrote:
> > Minor correction Paul. Firebird is the standalone browser. Thunderbird is
> > the standalone mail/newsreader client.
> >
> > Dontcha just hate picky people? 
>
> See how often I have used it already?  ;)
>
> Also remember I am a programmer, not an ornithologist. I am no good with
> birds like that!
>
> Paul

I tend to avoid (uncontrolled) fire and (uncontrollable) thunder at all times 
myself. (-:

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Re: [newbie] Compacting folders in Mozilla

[Charlie M.]

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[..]
> > Minor correction Paul. Firebird is the standalone browser. Thunderbird is
> > the standalone mail/newsreader client.
> >
> > Dontcha just hate picky people? 
>
> Usta date a Dental Technican (she was too damn picky)
>
Ouch! You're a badun Aron. (-;

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Re: [newbie] "Waiting for X Server to shutdown" - help?

[Thomas Williams]

On Thu, 2 Oct 2003 12:39:59 -0400
HaywireMac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Handles it fine:
> 
> Configureation --> Common Prefs --> Compose

On the compose I set the word wrap options. Was that what you was suggesting? Perhaps 
it will take care of it.

Anyone got any suggestions on what is wrong with my X windows setup?

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Re: [newbie] Samba vs LinNieghborhood

[Derek Jennings]

On Thursday 02 Oct 2003 7:46 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Derek Jennings wrote:
> > On Thursday 02 Oct 2003 6:25 pm, Burrows, Scott wrote:
> >>Hi all,
> >>
> >>I have my MDK 9.1 box connected to our Windows network here at work using
> >>Samba.  From a windows box I can see my linux box on the network.
> >>
> >>Using Samba alone should I be able to browse the windows network?
> >>Currently I dont seem to be able to.
> >>
> >>
> >>If yes can I log onto the Windows network from my linux box and browse
> >> the network?
> >>
> >>
> >>If I can use Samba for that then what is LinNieghborhood used for?
> >>
> >>
> >>Thanks from a newbie.
> >>
> >>Scott
> >
> > It is not a question of Samba vs LinNeighborhood
> >
> > Samba itself is split into 2 parts
> > Samba client - to allow you to browse windows networlks, and
> >
> > Samba server - to allow Windows computers to browse you
> >
> > LinNeighborhood is simply a GUI which uses Samba-client to browse Windows
> > networks.
> > Alternatively you can browse Win networks with Komba2, xffm, Gnomba, or
> > after installing  the lisa RPM by clicking on that little 'cog wheel' in
> > the konqueror tool bar between the left and right panes, and selecting
> > 'Lan Browser'
> > Whichever method you use they all require Samba-client.
> >
> > If you are having trouble browsing your Windows network, then the first
> > thing I would check is your firewall.
> > If you have a firewall between your Linux box and the Windows net, it
> > will kill Samba dead.
> >
> > derek
>
> Will we still need to have SWAT and WEBMIN after we install
> LinNeighborhood?
>
> Thanx,
>
> ayoub890


 Samba client does not need any configuration. Just install samba-client and 
LinNeighborhood and you are ready to browse Windows networks.

samba-sever requires configuration. But the default configuration works "out 
of the box" All you have to do is edit the config file /etc/samba/smb.conf to 
set your Windows Workgroup name.
You can use webmin to do that if you wish.

I would advise against SWAT, because although it has a nice GUI, and has some 
nice help files, it will delete the (working) default smb.conf file.

One tool you might like to try is ksambaplugin (RPM in Contrib)
It will put a new tool in your KDE Control Centre to configure Samba server.

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Re: [newbie] Using K3B & making an ISO

[Michael Adams]

On Thu, 2 Oct 2003 07:46:58 -0600
Jerry Barton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 18:47:11 -0400
> Heather/Femme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Hi
> > 
> > Trying to make an ISO with K3B...
> > 
> > its not working though...I tell it to burn the image (ISO) to K3B's
> > temp dir...and the dir isn't full but it just sits there..no cd
> > activity or anything...
> > 
> > I looked in the manual..which doesn't exist btw... and nothing.
> > 
> > Don't know what to really google for either...
> > 
> > um  I be a stoned out puppy so don't hurt Me too much...k?  Ty
> > 
> > Oh & Franki, I'm burning this for you..soits in your best interests
> > to help me :D
> > 
> > Ceiling Art,
> > Femme
> 
> Hope I'm not too late with this message... Here's how I make an ISO
> from a cd in k3b Open k3b
> To to tools/copy CD
> check "only create image"
> uncheck "remove image"
> I use ~/ISO as my image dir just to be a few less keystrokes to get to
> but the default dir. should work fine. Click "Start CD Copy."
> 
> Is that how you were trying to do it?  
> 
> Jerry.
> 

Two command line and now one GUI option. The cup runneth over.
Personnally i like Toms best, although i am not a fan of aliases.

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Re: [newbie] command for rebooting in win

[Björn Olsson]

On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 19:02:32 +0300  Anarky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>is there any way I could give a command to reboot in windows 
> directly from a console? Right now to do that I have to logout of the 
> windowmanager, return to the mandrake login screen and select reboot, 
> win ... I'd like to be able to give some kind of shell command like 
> "reboot win" and be the equivalent of that.
> thanks with anticipation
> 
I use "rebootin windows" as root. See man rebootin.


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Re: [newbie] Compacting folders in Mozilla

[Paul]

On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 20:12, Charlie M. wrote:

> Minor correction Paul. Firebird is the standalone browser. Thunderbird is the 
> standalone mail/newsreader client.
> 
> Dontcha just hate picky people? 

See how often I have used it already?  ;)

Also remember I am a programmer, not an ornithologist. I am no good with
birds like that!

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Re: [newbie] imwheel button mapping

[Kelly McCormick]

HaywireMac wrote:
On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 00:48:18 -0500
Kelly McCormick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:

From XF86Config-4:

Identifier  "Mouse1"
Driver "mouse"
Option "Protocol"   "ExplorerPS/2"
Option "Device" "/dev/psaux"
Option "ZAxisMapping" "6 7"
Option "Buttons" "7"


In the imwheel manpage, it specifies that you must use the IMPS/2
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Hi, Haywire, thanks for trying, but I'm afraid the short answer is no, 
that's not it. I tried it again just to make sure, but it only prevents 
the side buttons from working at all. I believe that protocol is for the 
Intellimouse version rather than the Intellimouse Explorer version.

I am getting the results that I want and expected from konquerer, but 
mozilla seems to be interpreting the button mapping differently for some 
reason.

If you have mozilla open and the window set narrow enough that you get a 
scroll bar on the bottom of the window, and press the left or right 
arrows on the keyboard, it scrolls the page left and right a few steps 
at a time. This is exactly what my mouse thumb buttons are doing. If you 
hold down the left alt key and press the left or right arrow keys in 
mozilla, it moves you back and forward a page in the history. This is 
what I want the mouse thumb buttons to do. Since the thumb buttons are 
already working as arrow keys in mozilla you would think that holding 
down the left alt key and pressing the thumb buttons would work the same 
as alt-left arrow, but instead it side scrolls by a whole page instead 
of a few steps. Mozilla seems to be the only program where they behave 
this way, in other programs the thumb buttons get the same action as 
holding left alt and using the arrow keys.

Thanks for taking a stab at it, apparently nobody is using this mouse?
Any other ideas are welcome!
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Re: [newbie] List weirdness

[Anne Wilson]

On Thursday 02 Oct 2003 6:02 pm, Douglas Bainbridge wrote:
> On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 21:49, mooney wrote:
> > I, too, am getting weird responses to mails.
>
> 
>
> > Finally, I'm off on 2 weeks hols, and I can't seem to unsub from
> > the site.
>
> 
>
> Join the club. I've never found the 'set newbie nomail' work
> either.
>
> DougB

I've used it several time, but I send it as SET newbie NOMAIL

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Re: [newbie] command for rebooting in win

[Anne Wilson]

On Thursday 02 Oct 2003 5:18 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Anarky wrote:
> >   is there any way I could give a command to reboot in
> > windows directly from a console? Right now to do that I have to
> > logout of the windowmanager, return to the mandrake login screen
> > and select reboot, win ... I'd like to be able to give some kind
> > of shell command like "reboot win" and be the equivalent of that.
> >thanks with anticipation
>
> Normally you can reboot from an Xwindow terminal after you su to
> root. The command is "shutdown -r ."
>
> MDK 9.0 and later gave me problems with this command. This command
> did not give me clean reboot. I tried it with KDE and IceWM.
>
> The command did not give me any problems with any other *nix.
>
> Can other people tell us about their experience with this command
> and MDK.
>
> Thanx,
>
> ayoub890

I have used shutdown -r now (and shutdown -h now) under both 9.0 and 
9.1 withiout problems.  Could your problem be because you didn't give 
it a timescale?  It can be set to delay a short time, in order for 
other connections to be closed off.  'now' is required to make it 
immediate.

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Re: [newbie] PDF files

[Anne Wilson]

On Thursday 02 Oct 2003 3:05 pm, charo wrote:
> > My default pdf viewer is Xpdf but I cannot get it to print
> > anything (I click print and it goes off into lala land).
>
> Try to print using command lp. Click print, in the print window
> there are two printing options, select printing using a command and
> type: lp, in the edit box. If you have a default printer, this
> should print right away.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Rosario

You could also try Ctrl-P

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[newbie] and the Award for Stating the Obvious goes to...

[HaywireMac]

Symantec!

"Symantec reports boom in viruses and worms

The number of malicious attacks has hit an all time high in 2003. Not
only are viruses and worms increasing in number, but, thanks to the
Internet, are propagating at an ever faster rate.

These are the gloomy findings of the latest Internet Security Threat
Report from Symantec Corporation."

Thanks god we have them around to let us know about these things!

Source:

http://www.hackinthebox.org/

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Re: [newbie] Updating to Mdk9.1 and OLD needed software!

[Anne Wilson]

On Thursday 02 Oct 2003 1:13 pm, Ricardo Castanho de Oliveira Freitas 
wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I was going to upgrade my mdk9.0 Linux box, when I realized that I
> cannot installed Netscape v4.76 (required from my bank!) on mdk9.1!
>
> It is *only* a library problem or what?
>
> I've d/l the "new" soft from Netscape, tried version 2.2 and 2.0
> (kernels).
>
> TIA
>
> Ricardo Castanho

Ricardo, have you tried any other browsers?  This all started when 
Netcape 6 came out and had serious vulnerabilities.  7 was OK, and 
worked for many banks.  My bank would not allow 6, but I can use 
Mozilla, Konqueror or Opera without problems.

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Re: [newbie] Why so many reboots ?

[Anne Wilson]

On Thursday 02 Oct 2003 11:43 am, ed tharp wrote:
> On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 21:33, Carroll Grigsby wrote:
> > And now you know why I haven't gotten the nerve to try to
> > resuscitate my old Win98SE installation since I rebuilt my system
> > four months ago. I don't need no aggravation.
> > -- cmg
>
> this statement makes me wonder,,,
> I have/had a triple boot, winME, Win2k, and MDK9.1. after a few
> problems (me screwing around) hosed first winME and then 2k, and I
> know I 'can' fix them, it just takes time, and reboots, and I don't
> need to bother with those partitions. I wonder how many of
> 'previous' dual-booters are waiting for hell to freeze before they
> find the time to fix their MS partitions.

That's how I lost w2k.  I started out on w2k/w98/Mdk8.1

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Re: [newbie] Why so many reboots ?

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October 2, 2003 04:43 am, ed tharp wrote:
> On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 21:33, Carroll Grigsby wrote:
> > And now you know why I haven't gotten the nerve to try to resuscitate my
> > old Win98SE installation since I rebuilt my system four months ago. I
> > don't need no aggravation.
> > -- cmg
>
> this statement makes me wonder,,,
> I have/had a triple boot, winME, Win2k, and MDK9.1. after a few problems
> (me screwing around) hosed first winME and then 2k, and I know I 'can'
> fix them, it just takes time, and reboots, and I don't need to bother
> with those partitions. I wonder how many of 'previous' dual-booters are
> waiting for hell to freeze before they find the time to fix their MS
> partitions.

Hi Ed;

I played the dual boot game for nearly two years; until one day I decided that 
I needed a "local mirror" of some distribution or other and the only 
"available" space of an adequate size on any partition on any of the drives 
was where Windows 98 SE lived. I actually had to try to remember when the 
last time I had booted that OS was. 3 months was my best guess. 

That's where the mirror went. This all happened in the year 2000. So I guess 
you could say I fixed my MS drive. 

Permanently. 

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[newbie] Samba vs LinNieghborhood

[Burrows, Scott]

Hi all,

I have my MDK 9.1 box connected to our Windows network here at work using
Samba.  From a windows box I can see my linux box on the network.

Using Samba alone should I be able to browse the windows network?  Currently
I dont seem to be able to.


If yes can I log onto the Windows network from my linux box and browse the
network?


If I can use Samba for that then what is LinNieghborhood used for?


Thanks from a newbie.

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Re: [newbie] List weirdness

[Poogle]

On Thursday 02 Oct 2003 H:02 pm, Douglas Bainbridge wrote:
> On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 21:49, mooney wrote:
> > I, too, am getting weird responses to mails.
>
> 
>
> > Finally, I'm off on 2 weeks hols, and I can't seem to unsub from the
> > site.
>
> 
>
> Join the club. I've never found the 'set newbie nomail' work either.
>
> DougB

I use  set newbie nomail whenever I am away for any length of time and have 
no problems (just come back after 3 weeks away to no newbie e mails at all)
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Re: [newbie] Software Patents

[Aron Smith]

On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 10:05, John Richard Smith wrote:
> Aron Smith wrote:
> big snip>>
> OK then, so my approach when I tackle the MEP is something allong these 
> lines,
> 
> Did you know the EU legislators are preposing to allow patenting of copy 
> write ?
> 
> and as you surely know you cannot patent copy write , only novel inventions
> 
> JohnThere used to be a sign in the press room of the Alabama State Capitol
"When the Legislature Is In Session No Mans Life Liberty , Property nor
Daughter is Safe" (Don't know if it still exists)


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[newbie] Firewall questions/ mlDonkey won't connect to servers

[Anguo]

Hello.

I urpmi'ed mldonkey but it won't connect to any server. It 
will find files, but will fail to download them.

In MCC, I put down the firewall for testing purposes (to the 
question "which services would you like the internet to 
connect to?" I ticked "everything (no firewall)"  (after 
testing, I did put the firewall back).

In webmin, I also have this rule: 
Accept If protocol is TCP and source port is 4660:4666

but I still cannot connect to any server.

Please advise.

I am a complete newbie as far as firewalls are concerned and 
I fail to see how the mcc firewall and the webmin firewall 
interact. One look so simple (just untick all the boxes in 
mcc) while the other looks so complex for a newbie.
What if both are setup? Which one takes precedence? Will 
they conflict?

How can one test the firewall?

http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/FireWall
This is a bit empty right now and I'd like to put some 
things in it. Alternatively, you can reply directly by 
posting there.

Thank you for providing some pointers.

Anguo


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RE: [newbie] vfat file systems only accessible by root in MDK9.2

[Justin Ricks]

When I installed it I used the setting high


From: "Tony S. Sykes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [newbie] vfat file systems only accessible by root in MDK9.2
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 16:47:16 +0100
What security settings did you choose when you installed?

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Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 4:21 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [newbie] vfat file systems only accessible by root in MDK9.2
Greetings

I just recently installed MDK 9.2 and I am only able to access my vfat
partitions with my root account.  I use to have 9.1 and I never had any
problems with this.  I tried chmod, chown, chgrp and they seem to have
no
effect on mounted drives.
Does any one have any suggestions.

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Re: [newbie] List weirdness

[Douglas Bainbridge]

On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 21:49, mooney wrote: 
> I, too, am getting weird responses to mails.

> Finally, I'm off on 2 weeks hols, and I can't seem to unsub from the
> site.



Join the club. I've never found the 'set newbie nomail' work either.

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Re: [newbie] Instant application shut down.

[Douglas Bainbridge]

On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 14:29, Smith Joe wrote: 
> Hi All,
> 
> I have noticed an oddity.  When I start any of the
> OpenOffice applications as soon as the program is
> loaded it immediately shuts down again.  What am I
> doing wrong?


It may be that the path is wrong - how are you starting the
applications, from the GUI menu or a console?
Star Office did something similar on me if I loaded from the GUI menu,
but ran OK if I called it from the command line.
The reason was that the menu path went something like
"/usr/bin/swriter.." (say, for StarOffice Writer), but Star Office was
actually in /home, so needed the path
"/home/dougb/staroffice6.0/swriter" . 
If you use Menudrake in MCC, you can check the path in Properties of the
particular application and change it as necessary. You'll need to find
out where it actually resides first, of course.

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Re: [newbie] "Waiting for X Server to shutdown" - help?

[HaywireMac]

On Thu, 2 Oct 2003 12:10:39 -0400
Thomas Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:

> 
> The word wrap thing is something that Sylpheed doesn't seem to handle
> that well, or perhaps I'm just not configuring something, I don't
> know. 

Handles it fine:

Configureation --> Common Prefs --> Compose

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Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)

[Damian Gatabria]

> Hope you slept well!
> 
hmph, how rude of me not to answer. Thanks! :o)

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Re: [newbie] Software Patents

[ed tharp]

On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 11:32, HaywireMac wrote:
> On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 16:04:21 +
> John Richard Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:
> 
> > So the ethos of that argument is that that you cannot patent code it's
> > something akin to a writer publishing a piece of liturature, it is his
> > work, but it's not a novel invention . Have I understood it correctly?
or at least you should not be able to patent a sentence or a paragraph.


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Re: [newbie] Given Up (was Who uses AC97?)

[Damian Gatabria]

El jue, 02-10-2003 a las 10:58, Margot escribió:
> Damian Gatabria wrote:
> > El jue, 02-10-2003 a las 04:48, Damian Gatabria escribió:
> > 
> >>>here's the output:
> >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] margot]# insmod snd-via8233
> >>>Using /lib/modules/2.4.19-16mdk/kernel/sound/pci/snd-via8233.o.gz
> >>>/lib/modules/2.4.19-16mdk/kernel/sound/pci/snd-via8233.o.gz: unresolved 
> >>>symbol snd_ac97_set_rate
> >>>/lib/modules/2.4.19-16mdk/kernel/sound/pci/snd-via8233.o.gz: unresolved 
> >>>symbol snd_pcm_new_Re5b2d829
> >>
> >>>Is this as bad as it looks? I didn't dare go any further!
> >>
> >>
> >>No, not really... it means that either:
> >>
> >>a) another module is to be loaded first. 
> >>b) your current kernel has no support for that card (highly unlikely)
> >>it's 4:45 am. I'll check it out after i get some sleep.
> >>
> > 
> > 
> > Ok, try:
> > 
> > modprobe soundcore
> > modprobe snd-via8233
> > 
> > Does it still spit all the errors?
> > 
> 
> Hope you slept well!
> 
> No errors, in fact no response at all:
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] margot]# modprobe soundcore
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] margot]# modprobe snd-via8233
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] margot]#
> 
> Margot

nice! now let's keep going.
Open up aumix, turn the volume up, set xmms to play
using ALSA as i described in the other post, and try
to play something.


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Re: [newbie] Compacting folders in Mozilla

[Paul]

On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 18:08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > 
> > It is because Mozilla uses a kind of Mbox format where all mails are in
> > one big file. When you delete a message, it is somehow marked as
> > deleted. Compacting the folder will reorganise (copy and rewrite) the
> > file and physically remove the deleted mail(s) from it.
>
> Is there a utility that changes from this Mbox to other non-Mbox?

I know there are several tools that can convert true Mbox to other type
files. Search google for 'convert mbox' and you should be able to find
something you can use. I am not sure if Mozilla uses true Mbox, but the
way to find out is to give it a try!

Paul

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RE: [newbie] command for rebooting in win

[Tony S. Sykes]

Command works fine for me. 8.0 8.1 9.0 9.1 9.2 rc2

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Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 5:19 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] command for rebooting in win


Anarky wrote:

>   is there any way I could give a command to reboot in windows 
> directly from a console? Right now to do that I have to logout of the 
> windowmanager, return to the mandrake login screen and select reboot, 
> win ... I'd like to be able to give some kind of shell command like 
> "reboot win" and be the equivalent of that.
>thanks with anticipation
> 

Normally you can reboot from an Xwindow terminal after you su to root. 
The command is "shutdown -r ."

MDK 9.0 and later gave me problems with this command. This command did 
not give me clean reboot. I tried it with KDE and IceWM.

The command did not give me any problems with any other *nix.

Can other people tell us about their experience with this command and
MDK.

Thanx,

ayoub890
  

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Re: [newbie] Compacting folders in Mozilla

[Paul]

On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 19:01, John Richard Smith wrote:

> So the reason is simple the visual delete is just that , it's not 
> physically removed until the compaction is complete.
> 
> So the obvious next question, in that case suppose you accidentally 
> visually delete a message can you get it back again from the Mbox ?

I would not know how to do that with the program (since I do not use it
[yet]). When I check out the files in the mail folder:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] localhost]$ ll
-rw-r--r--1 paul paul0 Sep 30 07:05 Drafts
-rw-r--r--1 paul paul 1345 Sep 30 11:51 Drafts.msf
-rw---1 paul paul0 Sep 30 07:20 filterlog.html
-rw-r--r--1 paul paul  1014580 Sep 30 18:23 Inbox
-rw-r--r--1 paul paul30480 Sep 30 18:23 Inbox.msf
-rw-r--r--1 paul paul 1927 Sep 30 18:21 junklog.html
-rw-r--r--1 paul paul  386 Sep 30 07:32
msgFilterRules.dat
-rw-r--r--1 paul paul 4607 Sep 30 18:21 popstate.dat
-rw-r--r--1 paul paul0 Sep 30 07:05 Sent
-rw-r--r--1 paul paul 1345 Sep 30 11:51 Sent.msf
-rw-r--r--1 paul paul0 Sep 30 07:05 Templates
-rw-r--r--1 paul paul 1348 Sep 30 11:51 Templates.msf
-rw---1 paul paul0 Sep 30 18:23 Trash
-rw-r--r--1 paul paul 1387 Sep 30 18:23 Trash.msf

you can see .msf files next to the original mail folders.
I deleted a message from Inbox, deleted Inbox.msf and restarted
Thunderbird. Alas, the message remained deleted, although the msf file
was rebuilt. I had hoped that to be some index-file, dragging the
deleted mail back. This does not mean it is impossible (when I do 'less
Inbox' I can still find the deleted message text) but I don't know how
to do it. Yet.

Paul

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Re: [newbie] Article on SCO: An open-source letter

[Glenn]

Gee, Aron, did you have to quote the whole danged thing to add one line ?


On Thu October 2 2003 08:33, Aron Smith wrote:
> On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 06:24, HaywireMac wrote:
> > On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 22:50:47 +1000
> >
> > Stephen Kuhn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered:
> > > Just on a side note for those that AREN'T of the "American

>
> ya forgot " Have You  Stopped Beating  Your  Wife"

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Re: [newbie] command for rebooting in win

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Anarky wrote:

  is there any way I could give a command to reboot in windows 
directly from a console? Right now to do that I have to logout of the 
windowmanager, return to the mandrake login screen and select reboot, 
win ... I'd like to be able to give some kind of shell command like 
"reboot win" and be the equivalent of that.
   thanks with anticipation

Normally you can reboot from an Xwindow terminal after you su to root. 
The command is "shutdown -r ."

MDK 9.0 and later gave me problems with this command. This command did 
not give me clean reboot. I tried it with KDE and IceWM.

The command did not give me any problems with any other *nix.

Can other people tell us about their experience with this command and MDK.

Thanx,

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