[newbie] mdk specific rpm site ?
I remember awhile back there was a site mentioned on the list which stored mdk specific rpms and source rpms ? Can someone please send me the url ? or a url of a similar site ? Kind Regards -- Marc Hultquist ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Computerkit Systems (Pty) Ltd http://www.cks.co.za (P) +27 11 695 5317 (F) +27 11 312 1408 (C) +27 82 563 2861 Quote: Its a bad idea for geeks to be on low-carb diets. Low-carb means no sugar, no sugar means cravings, cravings mean a loss of concentration, losing concentration makes geeks irritable and geeks run the computers that run the world's banks and militaries !!! . . . . . . . . YE GODS !!! Give me a frosted chocolate cake before we plunge into anarchy !!! - (c) J.D. Illad Frazer(Userfriendly.org) Confidentiality Notice: The above message and all attachments may contain privileged and confidential information intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed. Any review, retransmission, dissemination, copy or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail, facsimile or telephone and thereafter delete the material from your computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the view of the entity transmitting the message. Computerkit Retail Systems (Pty) Ltd hereby distances itself from and accepts no liability in respect of the unauthorised use of its e-mail facility or the sending of e-mail communications for other than strictly business purposes Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
RE: [newbie] tools for partitioning and formatting hard drive
Hello, Format, fill with big files (movies) until there will be no space left and format again. If electron microscope guys (probably there are much cheaper ways to read data from disk only twice formatted) will find anything, it will be only data from last copyed files. If electron guys are working for RIAA, you are in trouble because of illegal copyes of movies :. But you need a working system to do it. There is no other way to properly and safely clean the disk without damage. Little math lesson: Let say there is an empty place on a disk. That's the place, where we write the bite we want to be there. We have a 20G disk. There are 171798691840 empty places ( (((20 * 1024) * 1024) * 1024) * 8 = 171798691840 ). If we write a file on disk, we can do it by 5MBps. That means we can fill 41943040 empty places in 1 second. If we format a 20G partition with HardDrake, it takes about 20 seconds (I don't remember the correct time). So, if we format a disk (partition placed on entire disk), we are touching only 838860800 empty places on the disk and 170959831040 are untouched and containing old data. If we make two different formats (difrent filesystems), we just decrease this number maybe by another 838860800 and that is not enough. IT IS NEED TO TOUCH EVERY SINGLE BITE ON A DISK TO BE SURE THERE IS NOTHING LEFT!!! Touching all bites on 20G disk takes about 68 minutes by speed 5 MBps. Counts are only guesses (I really have no glue about writing speed on a disk, but I thing it is something about 5 MBps. I guess there are really only 60 seconds in each minute and only 1024 bytes in every single MB :). Sorry for bugging you, but it is very simple so I wonder, why is everybody not understanding it with me. : Tomas Tudja 136 Church Road N17 8AJ London, UK [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hysteria.sk/catcher -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charlie Mahan Sent: 05 August 2004 04:44 To: Todd Slater; Mandrake Newbie Subject: Re: [newbie] tools for partitioning and formatting hard drive -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On August 4, 2004 21:11:09, Todd Slater wrote: I'm auctioning some hard drives and I want to wipe them and format them. I had all kinds of trouble creating boot floppies for some reason--even though no errors were reported I couldn't boot them. I ended up having success with making a bootable cd. So I'm using autoclave to wipe the hard drive; is there a linux-based tool (bootable floppy or cd) I can use to format the hd? What flavor should I format it as? Do I need anything other than fdisk? Todd Most of the manufacturers have their own utilities package for formatting and diagnosing their drives. For example Maxtor has their Max Blast that's available as an ISO that burns fine under Mandrake and the resulting CD includes Dr-DOS to run on. With that tool you can even do a deep format to totally randomize the drives but be careful with that! I found some old drives don't take too well to this procedure, plus it's very time consuming. I'm fairly sure all the other manufacturers have similar tools but lately I haven't had to bother looking. So that memory has been flushed. (-: For hard drives that I'm not terribly worried about any forensic analysis being applied I usually just slave them to a working Linux install and format them, then change the file system type to something other than what was there originally and format them again. By the time the next OS is booted and formats to load on that drive the chances of any of your data still being susceptible to anything less than a tunnelling/scanning electron microscope or other *very expensive* tools are probably slim. I could be wrong but probably not. Sure I'm paranoid, but am I paranoid _enough?_ I've also used Knoppix or PCLinuxOS (livecd distributions) to do the deed when I was in a hurry. Lots of tools, just pick what's easiest for you. Good luck; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User #244963 at http://counter.li.org Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Beta 1) for i586 kernel 2.6.8-0.rc2.2mdk 21:29:16 up 2:09, 1 user, load average: 0.23, 0.31, 0.23 God is dead and I don't feel all too well either -- Ralph Moonen -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBEa0RZqvqlrLPr5YRAin3AJ0W598FnH66NRS0FJ6Hoz9DIjFg+gCeNanj sXJd2meO/G+b+9SQEFzeorY= =PSK6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] How to set up a wireless router?
On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 02:40:20 +0100 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mate I'm with blueyonder, register your wireless router on blueyonder, before you use it. I guess you have Modem --- router lan setup or something like that. Me Cable Modem -- router -- lan | | wireless accesspoint. Works a treat for me. If your router is allocating ip address via dhcp you should be alright. Can you tell me what the name of the router you are using. Failing that get me on gaim doggieukD. I'll try and talk you throuh the process. I'm working nights and come off my shift Friday morning before I can help you out. Thanks for the response Kevin. I don't have a clue how to register the router with BlueYonder - that is why I hoped it would be automatic. From what Mikkel and the user manual says cloning the MAC address would get past that hurdle. My setup would be: desktop --- router --- cablemodem | | wireless | laptop Don't know about gaim - have never talked online. That's a whole new kettle of fish. When I first connected to broadband using DHCP, BlueYonder would change my hostname every few days, which meant my having to edit the /etc/hosts file by hand (names like dhcp285), but some time ago this changed and the hostname has remained fixed at x1-6-00-05-5d-47-9a-4a ever since. This is the ifcfg-eth0 file: DEVICE=eth0 BOOTPROTO=dhcp NETMASK=255.255.255.0 ONBOOT=yes MII_NOT_SUPPORTED=no NEEDHOSTNAME=yes and /etc/hosts: 127.0.0.1 localhost x1-6-00-05-5d-47-9a-4a The router I shall be using is the Belkin Wireless Cable/DSL Gateway Router with 802.11b Wi-Fi access. -- Len Lawrence Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] How to set up a wireless router?
On Wed, 04 Aug 2004 20:30:41 -0500 Mikkel L. Ellertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Len Lawrence wrote: This simpleton needs help again! desktop: Mandrake 9.2 PowerPack - stock kernel 2.4.22-10 laptop: Mandrake 9.2 download edition - empkernel 2.4.22 I have a desktop system connected via a D-Link cable modem to BlueYonder and an EmperorLinux laptop with an Orinoco wireless network card. In nine months I have never got round to networking the laptop but I did get a Belkin broadband/DSL gateway router. After nine months I think it is time I used it. The problem is I -- chomp chomp I am hoping that the new MAC address will be registered with BlueYonder automatically when the router is plugged in (?). You may have to go to the setup screen on the router, and tell it to mimic the MAC address of the desktop. This is covered in the router instructions. If your desktop is set up to use DHCP, (it probably is.), you should be all set. The desktop will get its settintgs from the router instead of from the cable modem. The wireless setup should be easy as well. Make sure you can connect from the laptop first, before playing with WEP. It makes troubleshooting easyer if you do things one step at a time. Besides, if you log into the router from the laptop, and then generate the key, you can cut and past the key before sctivating it, so you don't have to type it. (I hate it when I mistype a 128bit key!) Mikkel Thanks for the advice. Much simpler than I expected - and yes, one step at a time is definitely my default mode. WEP - could not find a definition for that but worked out that it probably means Wireless Encryption Passphrase. The laptop side should be easy as you say. The system logs show that EmperorLinux managed a successful wireless connection before dispatch. -- Len Lawrence Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Cron doesn't run for user
On Wed, 4 Aug 2004 17:57:55 -0400, Bill Shirley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try putting in the script: DISPLAY=:0.0 at the top after #!/bin/sh Thanks for the suggestion. It desn't work, though, unfortunately. Germán. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Cron doesn't run for user
On Wed, 04 Aug 2004 20:14:21 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or you script can start something like: #!/bin/bash # PATH=/bin;/usr/bin;/home/ger/bin Another way you can do it is to define variables for all your commands at the start of the script, and then use the variable where you would use the command. MYCOMMAND=/home/ger/bin/command INFILE=/home/ger/infile.txt OUTFILE=/home/ger/outfile.txt $MYCOMMAND $INFINE $OUTFILE Those are all good tips. I'm starting to learn shell scripting, so I'll keep them in mind. Thanks! Germán. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] mdk specific rpm site ?
Dnia czw 5. sierpnia 2004 08:20, Marc Hultquist napisa: I remember awhile back there was a site mentioned on the list which stored mdk specific rpms and source rpms ? Can someone please send me the url ? or a url of a similar site ? Kind Regards I don't know what exactly you have on your mind but try : http://www.eslrahc.com/ http://plf.zarb.org/ http://urpmi.org/easyurpmi/index.php -- Cezary 'Thereidos' Morga [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux User No. 362185 GG# 169903 ICQ# 328-700-565 Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Cron doesn't run for user
On Wed, 04 Aug 2004 20:22:44 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill Shirley wrote: Try putting in the script: DISPLAY=:0.0 at the top after #!/bin/sh HTH, Bill This only works if you are running the X server. If another user is running X, you will not be able to connect to the X server, unless you turn off security. It also fails if you are not running an X server. Also, if you are running more then one X server, the DISPLAY setting may be different for your X server. The thing is, the X server is running, but the owner is root. Should that be so? I have the machine set to boot to run level 5, and then I log in from there. If I booted to run level 3, logged in, and _then_ started X, would I own the server process? I wonder if it would work if I made the cron entry in root's crontab, and put the script in cron's path. I'll try that now, just to see, though I'm not too sure I want root to run wget and galeon regularly. I don't know nuttin', but it somehow seems like a risky practice to me. On the other hand, this seems like a limitation that should have a workaround without compromising security. If I can run the script while I'm logged in to an x session, but not from cron, it means cron is using a different session, all it's own. Isn't there a way to instruct cron that a command must be run from the active session of the user whose crontab it is? That sounds reasonable, no? More to investigate. What fun! Germán. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] tools for partitioning and formatting hard drive(diatribe alert)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On August 5, 2004 00:31:12, Tomas Tudja wrote: Hello, Format, fill with big files (movies) until there will be no space left and format again. If electron microscope guys (probably there are much cheaper ways to read data from disk only twice formatted) will find anything, it will be only data from last copyed files. If electron guys are working for RIAA, you are in trouble because of illegal copyes of movies :. But you need a working system to do it. There is no other way to properly and safely clean the disk without damage. Define working system before you make such statements please. Booting from one of the many LiveCD disks available and using the tools available to mount, format, change fs type and format again is possible and easy. The drives can have previous data on them or not. It makes no difference. You have taken this _way_ farther than anyone needed for it to go. My *flippant* comments about electron microscopes were to illustrate that the original question wasn't specifically asking for a format that would make any data impossible to read because that is a difficult process and very expensive. I was trying to steer the original poster away from the low level format trap since it tends to damage old drives of unknown pedigree sometimes. The first point I made in my reply was that it's probably easier to use the original manufacturers tools to do the job, then I threw in some smart ass comments. Little math lesson: Let say there is an empty place on a disk. That's the place, where we write the bite we want to be there. We have a 20G disk. There are 171798691840 empty places ( (((20 * 1024) * 1024) * 1024) * 8 = 171798691840 ). If we write a file on disk, we can do it by 5MBps. That means we can fill 41943040 empty places in 1 second. If we format a 20G partition with HardDrake, it takes about 20 seconds (I don't remember the correct time). So, if we format a disk (partition placed on entire disk), we are touching only 838860800 empty places on the disk and 170959831040 are untouched and containing old data. If we make two different formats (difrent filesystems), we just decrease this number maybe by another 838860800 and that is not enough. IT IS NEED TO TOUCH EVERY SINGLE BITE ON A DISK TO BE SURE THERE IS NOTHING LEFT!!! Touching all bites on 20G disk takes about 68 minutes by speed 5 MBps. What's the point? I openly stated that guarding against that type of forensic analysis was not going to be accomplished by what I was recommending. Are you trying to prove you are more capable and more intelligent than I? Fine you win. Much of the world fits that description. Counts are only guesses (I really have no glue about writing speed on a disk, but I thing it is something about 5 MBps. I guess there are really only 60 seconds in each minute and only 1024 bytes in every single MB If I wanted to study math I'd enrol in University, wouldn't I? I don't have the time. Your points are made and that's fine, but there was no reason for them in my opinion, and this type of over technical extremism may be why so many people despise geeks. Is there a reason that you felt a need to demonstrate your intellectual prowess? Does anyone care? Sorry for bugging you, but it is very simple so I wonder, why is everybody not understanding it with me. : Tomas Tudja 136 Church Road N17 8AJ London, UK [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hysteria.sk/catcher What makes you think nobody understands these things but you? Or cares if you do? Or if I do? Who in the world cares if the data is unrecoverable with specialized tools, or through more drastic measures? I offered a choice of methods to accomplish the original poster's question. What did you offer? Write movies to the disk! You do know that many countries legal systems consider that an illegal activity, do you not? It's called illegal copying or piracy and worse. But your remarks about the R.I.A.Ass. prove that you do. I won't recommend illegal activity. Does using Outlook on Windows make you somebody special? I needed not to read your belittling B.S. on a list where I and many others volunteer our time attempting to help others. I definitely didn't need a primer course in kitchen arithmetic. With _absolute certainty_ I can unequivocally state that I didn't need some lurker popping in to tell me in a backhand (or direct either) way that I am a mental midget and less than the dust beneath his training wheels. To the rest of the list members; my humble apology for the diatribe. To Thomas Tudja; if I want your opinion I'll damned well give it to you first. You'd probably still screw it up though. Regards; Charlie Let the zings begin. - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User #244963 at http://counter.li.org Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Beta 1) for i586 kernel 2.6.8-0.rc2.2mdk 01:53:54 up 6:33, 1 user, load average: 0.35, 0.30, 0.27 I have many CHARTS and DIAGRAMS..
[newbie] Batch rename .ogg
I just dl'ed a flock of tunes from a site in .ogg format. All have proper tags. Title, artist, album. A sample filename: 02-the_first_ladies_of_jazz_-_those_sweet_words_192_ogg_cbr.ogg Does anyone know of a prog to rename a batch of .ogg's such as this to: NorahJones - ThoseSweetWords.ogg or similar using the tags? I know I've seen it before, but can't put my finger on it. TIA Lee Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
RE: [newbie] tools for partitioning and formatting hard drive(diatribe alert)
I have to wonder why a rocket scientist would post his full home address on a mailing list? Rather than just the area. It's just begging for junk mail sign up's. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Charlie Mahan Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 9:30 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] tools for partitioning and formatting hard drive(diatribe alert) -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On August 5, 2004 00:31:12, Tomas Tudja wrote: Hello, Format, fill with big files (movies) until there will be no space left and format again. If electron microscope guys (probably there are much cheaper ways to read data from disk only twice formatted) will find anything, it will be only data from last copyed files. If electron guys are working for RIAA, you are in trouble because of illegal copyes of movies :. But you need a working system to do it. There is no other way to properly and safely clean the disk without damage. Define working system before you make such statements please. Booting from one of the many LiveCD disks available and using the tools available to mount, format, change fs type and format again is possible and easy. The drives can have previous data on them or not. It makes no difference. You have taken this _way_ farther than anyone needed for it to go. My *flippant* comments about electron microscopes were to illustrate that the original question wasn't specifically asking for a format that would make any data impossible to read because that is a difficult process and very expensive. I was trying to steer the original poster away from the low level format trap since it tends to damage old drives of unknown pedigree sometimes. The first point I made in my reply was that it's probably easier to use the original manufacturers tools to do the job, then I threw in some smart ass comments. Little math lesson: Let say there is an empty place on a disk. That's the place, where we write the bite we want to be there. We have a 20G disk. There are 171798691840 empty places ( (((20 * 1024) * 1024) * 1024) * 8 = 171798691840 ). If we write a file on disk, we can do it by 5MBps. That means we can fill 41943040 empty places in 1 second. If we format a 20G partition with HardDrake, it takes about 20 seconds (I don't remember the correct time). So, if we format a disk (partition placed on entire disk), we are touching only 838860800 empty places on the disk and 170959831040 are untouched and containing old data. If we make two different formats (difrent filesystems), we just decrease this number maybe by another 838860800 and that is not enough. IT IS NEED TO TOUCH EVERY SINGLE BITE ON A DISK TO BE SURE THERE IS NOTHING LEFT!!! Touching all bites on 20G disk takes about 68 minutes by speed 5 MBps. What's the point? I openly stated that guarding against that type of forensic analysis was not going to be accomplished by what I was recommending. Are you trying to prove you are more capable and more intelligent than I? Fine you win. Much of the world fits that description. Counts are only guesses (I really have no glue about writing speed on a disk, but I thing it is something about 5 MBps. I guess there are really only 60 seconds in each minute and only 1024 bytes in every single MB If I wanted to study math I'd enrol in University, wouldn't I? I don't have the time. Your points are made and that's fine, but there was no reason for them in my opinion, and this type of over technical extremism may be why so many people despise geeks. Is there a reason that you felt a need to demonstrate your intellectual prowess? Does anyone care? Sorry for bugging you, but it is very simple so I wonder, why is everybody not understanding it with me. : Tomas Tudja 136 Church Road N17 8AJ London, UK [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hysteria.sk/catcher What makes you think nobody understands these things but you? Or cares if you do? Or if I do? Who in the world cares if the data is unrecoverable with specialized tools, or through more drastic measures? I offered a choice of methods to accomplish the original poster's question. What did you offer? Write movies to the disk! You do know that many countries legal systems consider that an illegal activity, do you not? It's called illegal copying or piracy and worse. But your remarks about the R.I.A.Ass. prove that you do. I won't recommend illegal activity. Does using Outlook on Windows make you somebody special? I needed not to read your belittling B.S. on a list where I and many others volunteer our time attempting to help others. I definitely didn't need a primer course in kitchen arithmetic. With _absolute certainty_ I can unequivocally state that I didn't need some lurker
Re: [newbie] tools for partitioning and formatting hard drive(diatribe alert)
Hello, I hate to reply to this. I would be concerned of my data security if I'd have been NASA. But I'm not. If you want to erase some data, try a wipe! I'm sad to see somebody confusing open source (== open minded) to illegal activities. I've never imagined somebody so fly... Being m$ competitive/alternative doesn't mean to be illegal. Was that a math lesson? Do you think some multiplications means Maths? It meant 2 years ago, maybe. Try some physics: L=mc2. Take an ice-tea and relax! And avoid coffeine! Your lesson for this life is patience + wisdom. You need a lot, Tomas. It is a wonder that somebody (i.e. Mr. Charlie Mahan) bothered to answer you... Mike, Owner of Diploma in Mathematics and Computer Science + pretty experienced developer on M$Windows + owner of 7 Brainbench diplomas. --- Charlie Mahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On August 5, 2004 00:31:12, Tomas Tudja wrote: Hello, Format, fill with big files (movies) until there will be no space left and format again. If electron microscope guys (probably there are much cheaper ways to read data from disk only twice formatted) will find anything, it will be only data from last copyed files. If electron guys are working for RIAA, you are in trouble because of illegal copyes of movies :. But you need a working system to do it. There is no other way to properly and safely clean the disk without damage. Define working system before you make such statements please. Booting from one of the many LiveCD disks available and using the tools available to mount, format, change fs type and format again is possible and easy. The drives can have previous data on them or not. It makes no difference. You have taken this _way_ farther than anyone needed for it to go. My *flippant* comments about electron microscopes were to illustrate that the original question wasn't specifically asking for a format that would make any data impossible to read because that is a difficult process and very expensive. I was trying to steer the original poster away from the low level format trap since it tends to damage old drives of unknown pedigree sometimes. The first point I made in my reply was that it's probably easier to use the original manufacturers tools to do the job, then I threw in some smart ass comments. Little math lesson: Let say there is an empty place on a disk. That's the place, where we write the bite we want to be there. We have a 20G disk. There are 171798691840 empty places ( (((20 * 1024) * 1024) * 1024) * 8 = 171798691840 ). If we write a file on disk, we can do it by 5MBps. That means we can fill 41943040 empty places in 1 second. If we format a 20G partition with HardDrake, it takes about 20 seconds (I don't remember the correct time). So, if we format a disk (partition placed on entire disk), we are touching only 838860800 empty places on the disk and 170959831040 are untouched and containing old data. If we make two different formats (difrent filesystems), we just decrease this number maybe by another 838860800 and that is not enough. IT IS NEED TO TOUCH EVERY SINGLE BITE ON A DISK TO BE SURE THERE IS NOTHING LEFT!!! Touching all bites on 20G disk takes about 68 minutes by speed 5 MBps. What's the point? I openly stated that guarding against that type of forensic analysis was not going to be accomplished by what I was recommending. Are you trying to prove you are more capable and more intelligent than I? Fine you win. Much of the world fits that description. Counts are only guesses (I really have no glue about writing speed on a disk, but I thing it is something about 5 MBps. I guess there are really only 60 seconds in each minute and only 1024 bytes in every single MB If I wanted to study math I'd enrol in University, wouldn't I? I don't have the time. Your points are made and that's fine, but there was no reason for them in my opinion, and this type of over technical extremism may be why so many people despise geeks. Is there a reason that you felt a need to demonstrate your intellectual prowess? Does anyone care? Sorry for bugging you, but it is very simple so I wonder, why is everybody not understanding it with me. : Tomas Tudja 136 Church Road N17 8AJ London, UK [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hysteria.sk/catcher What makes you think nobody understands these things but you? Or cares if you do? Or if I do? Who in the world cares if the data is unrecoverable with specialized tools, or through more drastic measures? I offered a choice of methods to accomplish the original poster's question. What did you offer? Write movies to the disk! You do know that many countries legal systems consider that an illegal activity, do you not? It's called illegal copying or piracy and worse. But your remarks about the
Re: [newbie] Xmms crashes
On Thursday 05 August 2004 08:32, C. Tresenriter wrote: On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 09:52:00 -0500 Hoyt Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have simular problems. One you didn't mention when you hit the play button and any other button then nothing works the gui remains on screen and cannot be closed unless you close the session.-- Regards; Hoyt Yup! That one too. Today it's all working like it should, every time, but for no apparent reason!? I solved my problems by installing the arts output plugin. -- Regards; Hoyt Linux user #363264 http://counter.li.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] tools for partitioning and formatting hard drive(diatribe alert)
Bryan Phinney wrote: On Thursday 05 August 2004 07:25 am, Bryan Phinney wrote: Should read DOD. I think that NSA promulgates standards which then become published DoD standards but the NSA itself, doesn't publish standards. For anyone that actually wants a quick Linux tool to do this, see: http://dban.sourceforge.net Bryan, I'm made a floppy version of dban, but tell me if I accidentally left it in my A drive and booted up on it, it wouldn't atually wipe my entire drive without asking me first would it ? John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Subject No Subject
Using kmail with 2.6.3-7. I just tried to create a new folder to insert an email. The clicking on Folder generated a Sig 11 crash of kontact. When I restarted kontact the email I was interested in had become blank with No Subject Unkown Wed Dec 312 1759 1969. This is not the first time I have had this problem with kmail, at one time every email I tried to read became No Subject. It can be cured by reinstalling or restoring backup for user. Anyone have an idea as to what causes this? -- Regards; Hoyt Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Cron doesn't run for user
On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 09:18:36 -0500, Hoyt Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You might try: '/usr/bin/galeon weather.com' (or whatever site you want) Yeah, tried that too. I think I've tried everything short of changing security settings in the X server, but I'm not going down that route. Anyway, I've learnt about cron, I've learnt a bit about shell scripting, and that's all good. I can't open a browser window directly, but I'll find other ways of getting a notification. After all if I'm running X anyway, I can always click on a bookmark. Or... leave a process running which reads a file, which cron updates. When the file reads 1, the running process opens a window. When the file reads 0, do nothing. Hm! Gonna try that. Germán. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Cron doesn't run for user
On Fri, 2004-08-06 at 00:54, German Guillot wrote: On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 09:18:36 -0500, Hoyt Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You might try: '/usr/bin/galeon weather.com' (or whatever site you want) Yeah, tried that too. I think I've tried everything short of changing security settings in the X server, but I'm not going down that route. Anyway, I've learnt about cron, I've learnt a bit about shell scripting, and that's all good. I can't open a browser window directly, but I'll find other ways of getting a notification. After all if I'm running X anyway, I can always click on a bookmark. Or... leave a process running which reads a file, which cron updates. When the file reads 1, the running process opens a window. When the file reads 0, do nothing. Hm! Gonna try that. Germán. Maybe I walked in late in the thread here - but I'm trying to NOW figure out what y'all tryin to do - is it that you want cron to open a browser for you for a specific URL and that's all? stephen kuhn - proprietor __ illawarra computer services :: a kuhn media australia venture http://kma.0catch.com :: mobile 0410.728.389 Serving Sydney, The Illawarra, South Coast and Rural NSW __ * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents __ Mandrake GNU/Linux 10.0 OE/Kernel 2.6.3-7/ No Viruses here. Electricity is actually made up of extremely tiny particles, called electrons, that you cannot see with the naked eye unless you have been drinking. Electrons travel at the speed of light, which in most American homes is 110 volts per hour. This is very fast. In the time it has taken you to read this sentence so far, an electron could have traveled all the way from San Francisco to Hackensack, New Jersey, although God alone knows why it would want to. The five main kinds of electricity are alternating current, direct current, lightning, static, and European. Most American homes have alternating current, which means that the electricity goes in one direction for a while, then goes in the other direction. This prevents harmful electron buildup in the wires. -- Dave Barry, The Taming of the Screw Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Program to convert wma files into mp3 ones
On Thu, 5 Aug 2004, Paul Smith wrote: PS: obu wrote: PS: Is there some program to convert wma files into mp3 ones? PS: PS: #!/bin/bash PS: mplayer $1 -ao pcm -vc null -vo null PS: lame --r3mix audiodump.wav `basename $1 .wma`.mp3 change the options on lame. Take a look at: http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?act=STf=15t=203 PS: rm audiodump.wav PS: PS: Obu, PS: PS: Thank you very much for your script. It does work, but it produces a mp3 PS: file with a bitrate of 160 kbps. Is it possible to get mp3 files with a PS: bitrate of 128 kbps, as it is usual? PS: PS: Paul PS: PS: PS: -- Job Evers -- Is not marriage an open question, when it is alleged, from the beginning of the world, that such as are in the institution wish to get out, and such as are out wish to get in? -- Ralph Emerson Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Cron doesn't run for user
On Fri, 06 Aug 2004 01:06:05 +1000, Stephen Kühn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe I walked in late in the thread here - but I'm trying to NOW figure out what y'all tryin to do - is it that you want cron to open a browser for you for a specific URL and that's all? Yep, that's it. I'm starting to feel a little embarrassed that the thread has run so long, this being OT and all. But basically that's the object of the exercise. I'm really just trying my hand out at scripting, and learning loads trying to solve this little problem. If you have any ideas, they're most welcome! Germán. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
RE: [newbie] tools for partitioning and formatting hard drive(diatribe alert)
I can't remember where I read it, but the securest way to wipe the data is to put random data in each bit, you need to do this numerous time to get to each standard, one standard is 30 another 60 times (not sure the correct amount of times). The reason you use random data is due to the way the bit does not totally lose 0 or 1. This obviously takes a lot longer than 30 to 60 formats. These tools no doubt give you these options, but the securest way is to put magnetic iron filings on the drive, but that is not a definitive way, just a quick way. Tony. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bryan Phinney Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 2:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] tools for partitioning and formatting hard drive(diatribe alert) On Thursday 05 August 2004 09:22 am, Todd Slater wrote: Wow, this thread turned interesting :). The more interesting reading that I have seen on this subject has been conjecture over how standards get made and published and around what people really know about advanced data recovery. I mean, how do you really know for sure what is required to eliminate data unless you actually test it by trying to recover it, and who has the money to throw at actually trying to recover data using advanced methods just to test your disposal tool. Well, short of the government, I suppose and they aren't likely to publicize the results or cooperate with anyone by telling them what to do to remove the possibility of recovery for that matter. -- Bryan Phinney -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Business Computer Projects - Disclaimer -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- This message, and any associated attachment is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify either the sender or [EMAIL PROTECTED] immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not necessarily the views of Business Computer Projects Ltd., unless specifically stated. Whilst every effort has been made to ensure that emails and their attachments are virus free, it is the responsibility of the recipient(s) to verify the integrity of such emails. Business Computer Projects Ltd BCP House 151 Charles Street Stockport Cheshire SK1 3JY Tel: +44 (0)161 355-3000 Fax: +44 (0)161 355-3001 Web: http://www.bcpsoftware.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Cron doesn't run for user
On Fri, 2004-08-06 at 01:20, German Guillot wrote: On Fri, 06 Aug 2004 01:06:05 +1000, Stephen Kühn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe I walked in late in the thread here - but I'm trying to NOW figure out what y'all tryin to do - is it that you want cron to open a browser for you for a specific URL and that's all? Yep, that's it. I'm starting to feel a little embarrassed that the thread has run so long, this being OT and all. But basically that's the object of the exercise. I'm really just trying my hand out at scripting, and learning loads trying to solve this little problem. If you have any ideas, they're most welcome! Germán. Ok...just for giggles and grins, I just created a small script to fire up Galeon (/home/stephen/bin/start_galeon) :: snip #!/bin/bash /usr/bin/galeon http://freshmeat.net exit /snip Fired up kcron as myself, added the task, saved the task; fired up kcron again and forced a run; worked like a charm; was I missing something originally in the thread? stephen kuhn - proprietor __ illawarra computer services :: a kuhn media australia venture http://kma.0catch.com :: mobile 0410.728.389 Serving Sydney, The Illawarra, South Coast and Rural NSW __ * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents __ Mandrake GNU/Linux 10.0 OE/Kernel 2.6.3-7/ No Viruses here. Support bacteria -- it's the only culture some people have! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] tools for partitioning and formatting hard drive(diatribe alert)
On Thursday 05 August 2004 10:39 am, John Richard Smith wrote: Bryan, I'm made a floppy version of dban, but tell me if I accidentally left it in my A drive and booted up on it, it wouldn't atually wipe my entire drive without asking me first would it ? As far as I know, it would not. The later versions of dban allow you to wipe just a single partition, rather than the entire drive. You would have to interact with the app after it detects the partitions and drives to tell it which one to wipe. However, I would recommend that you only insert and boot from that floppy when you KNOW you intend to wipe a partition or drive and obviously, you want to have a backup of all data before you do that. -- Bryan Phinney Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Cron doesn't run for user
German Guillot wrote: On Wed, 04 Aug 2004 20:22:44 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill Shirley wrote: Try putting in the script: DISPLAY=:0.0 at the top after #!/bin/sh HTH, Bill This only works if you are running the X server. If another user is running X, you will not be able to connect to the X server, unless you turn off security. It also fails if you are not running an X server. Also, if you are running more then one X server, the DISPLAY setting may be different for your X server. The thing is, the X server is running, but the owner is root. Should that be so? I have the machine set to boot to run level 5, and then I log in from there. If I booted to run level 3, logged in, and _then_ started X, would I own the server process? I wonder if it would work if I made the cron entry in root's crontab, and put the script in cron's path. I'll try that now, just to see, though I'm not too sure I want root to run wget and galeon regularly. I don't know nuttin', but it somehow seems like a risky practice to me. On the other hand, this seems like a limitation that should have a workaround without compromising security. If I can run the script while I'm logged in to an x session, but not from cron, it means cron is using a different session, all it's own. Isn't there a way to instruct cron that a command must be run from the active session of the user whose crontab it is? That sounds reasonable, no? More to investigate. What fun! Germán. The display manager will be running as root. But when a suer logs in, it turns ownership over th the user. If you use run level 3, then the user owns the X server from the start. You can also do things like have more then one X server running at a time, each owned by a different user. Access to each X server is controled by xauth. There is an XAUTHORITY shell varable that points to the file containing the key. It is possable to grant a program run by a different user access, but it is not simple. Run man xauth and you will get an idea... On the other hand, maybe you could use something like lynx, or wget to do what you are looking for? Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] tools for partitioning and formatting hard drive(diatribe alert)
On Thursday 05 August 2004 11:36 am, Tony S. Sykes wrote: I can't remember where I read it, but the securest way to wipe the data is to put random data in each bit, you need to do this numerous time to get to each standard, one standard is 30 another 60 times (not sure the correct amount of times). The reason you use random data is due to the way the bit does not totally lose 0 or 1. This obviously takes a lot longer than 30 to 60 formats. These tools no doubt give you these options, but the securest way is to put magnetic iron filings on the drive, but that is not a definitive way, just a quick way. Which still begs the question. Who wrote that, and how do they know? I mean, have they actually tested it, do they have equipment necessary to perform advanced data recovery, etc? I actually think that the securest way to wipe data is to drill open the hard drive, grind the platters down to dust and then melt the entire thing in a blast furnace, but again, I haven't ever tested that method against data recovery methods, so I wouldn't want to say for sure. -- Bryan Phinney Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Cron doesn't run for user
Bill Shirley wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tmp]# cat testg #!/bin/sh export DISPLAY=:0.0 echo $DISPLAY /usr/bin/galeon #/usr/bin/mozilla Works for me! Bill Are you running X as the same user? If user bill logs in to the DM, or runs startx, user joe can not connect to the X server without a LOT more work then this. (User root will also get an error when trying to connect...) This can be changed using the xhost command. (USE WITH CAUTION!) The xhost command MUST be run by the user owning the X server. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
RE: [newbie] Cron doesn't run for user
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of German Guillot Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 9:29 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Cron doesn't run for user On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 08:29:16 -0400, Bill Shirley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tmp]# cat testg #!/bin/sh export DISPLAY=:0.0 echo $DISPLAY /usr/bin/galeon #/usr/bin/mozilla Works for me! Rats! I sure wish I could say the same. Just to be sure, do you mean it's working as a cron job, opening a browser window at certain times? Because that's what I can't get it to do. I can use the script to open Galeon if I run it from an xterm, but that's it. I've tried putting it in a crontab for root, I've tried logging in from run level 3 and then typing startx (but the X process is still owned by root), no result. I have got cron to do other things, but not this. It's like Mikkel said: I bet it will not work from the command line if you are at the command line interface, instead of the command line in an xterm. Any command that needs X to run will NOT work in a cron job. This is because it can not connect to an X server - at least not with the default security settings. It is not a good idea to change the settings to allow this, unless you are on an isulated machine. (I remember playing tricks on people running an open X server...) ;) So do you have your security settings tweaked to allow you to connect to the X server? Because what he says there seems to fit the behaviour on my system exactly, and I'd decided it wasn't worth compromising security for this. But I'm also pretty sure that there must be a workaround (or maybe I'm just mule-headed). Germán. Works from a cron job: 44 11 * * * /root/tmp/tmp/testg Here is my setup: I have vncserver running on my server. I open root's desktop with vncviewer from another PC. From the same another PC, I ssh in and can run the script which starts galeon and the window opens in vncviewer. (I only use the real console in emergencies.) The ssh terminal does not have the environment variable DISPLAY set; thus emulating the environment of cron jobs. This setup also works if the script is run from cron. I tested it here. I'm not sure what you guys are talking about when you say security settings. The another PC is on my local LAN and the server allows a connection. [EMAIL PROTECTED] tmp]# cat testg #!/bin/sh export DISPLAY=:0.0 echo $DISPLAY /usr/bin/galeon #/usr/bin/mozilla Root gets an email from the echo command which reads: :0.0 HTH, Bill Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
RE: [newbie] tools for partitioning and formatting hard drive(diatribe alert)
I think it was from a real data recovery company, talking about the DOD standards. Digging deep in my memory (ouch!) I think it is the residual charge in the bit can be available for a long time, so formatting does not change it completely, the overwriting it clears something and changes the charge in the bit, and doing it multiple times is more secure. It was all interesting but slightly over my head so I did not retain it all. Look at it like writing a number down on a piece of paper with a pencil. Only after you rub it out until you destroy the paper do you eliminate the number. If you rub it out normally you still have the imprint in the paper. Rub it out and write over it and it becomes harder to work out the original figure. Do this multiple times and you will not be able to see the original number. Obviously hard drives don't damage the platter when formatting so it will always carry the original charge for a lot of cycles, albeit reduced. That was painful. I don't have to think that hard normally. Only an hour to go and then bliss. Tony. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bryan Phinney Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 4:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] tools for partitioning and formatting hard drive(diatribe alert) On Thursday 05 August 2004 11:36 am, Tony S. Sykes wrote: I can't remember where I read it, but the securest way to wipe the data is to put random data in each bit, you need to do this numerous time to get to each standard, one standard is 30 another 60 times (not sure the correct amount of times). The reason you use random data is due to the way the bit does not totally lose 0 or 1. This obviously takes a lot longer than 30 to 60 formats. These tools no doubt give you these options, but the securest way is to put magnetic iron filings on the drive, but that is not a definitive way, just a quick way. Which still begs the question. Who wrote that, and how do they know? I mean, have they actually tested it, do they have equipment necessary to perform advanced data recovery, etc? I actually think that the securest way to wipe data is to drill open the hard drive, grind the platters down to dust and then melt the entire thing in a blast furnace, but again, I haven't ever tested that method against data recovery methods, so I wouldn't want to say for sure. -- Bryan Phinney -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Business Computer Projects - Disclaimer -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- This message, and any associated attachment is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify either the sender or [EMAIL PROTECTED] immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not necessarily the views of Business Computer Projects Ltd., unless specifically stated. Whilst every effort has been made to ensure that emails and their attachments are virus free, it is the responsibility of the recipient(s) to verify the integrity of such emails. Business Computer Projects Ltd BCP House 151 Charles Street Stockport Cheshire SK1 3JY Tel: +44 (0)161 355-3000 Fax: +44 (0)161 355-3001 Web: http://www.bcpsoftware.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Cron doesn't run for user
On Fri, 06 Aug 2004 01:42:10 +1000, Stephen Kühn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok...just for giggles and grins, I just created a small script to fire up Galeon (/home/stephen/bin/start_galeon) :: snip #!/bin/bash /usr/bin/galeon http://freshmeat.net exit /snip Fired up kcron as myself, added the task, saved the task; fired up kcron again and forced a run; worked like a charm; was I missing something originally in the thread? Well, damnit. No, you're not missing anything, but I obviously am. I have a little script just like yours. I create a crontab with a task for it. It just doesn't work. Other scripts with other commands (cat, for example) are run by cron from my crontab, no problem. So it's not that I can't program a task in cron. It's not that I can't write a script to fire up a browser, that too works (run from the xterm). The only thing I can think of is that your X configuration and mine are different, and mine doesn't allow me to do this. Got a lot more studying to do. Germán. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Cron doesn't run for user
Bill Shirley wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of German Guillot Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 9:29 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Cron doesn't run for user On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 08:29:16 -0400, Bill Shirley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tmp]# cat testg #!/bin/sh export DISPLAY=:0.0 echo $DISPLAY /usr/bin/galeon #/usr/bin/mozilla Works for me! Rats! I sure wish I could say the same. Just to be sure, do you mean it's working as a cron job, opening a browser window at certain times? Because that's what I can't get it to do. I can use the script to open Galeon if I run it from an xterm, but that's it. I've tried putting it in a crontab for root, I've tried logging in from run level 3 and then typing startx (but the X process is still owned by root), no result. I have got cron to do other things, but not this. It's like Mikkel said: I bet it will not work from the command line if you are at the command line interface, instead of the command line in an xterm. Any command that needs X to run will NOT work in a cron job. This is because it can not connect to an X server - at least not with the default security settings. It is not a good idea to change the settings to allow this, unless you are on an isulated machine. (I remember playing tricks on people running an open X server...) ;) So do you have your security settings tweaked to allow you to connect to the X server? Because what he says there seems to fit the behaviour on my system exactly, and I'd decided it wasn't worth compromising security for this. But I'm also pretty sure that there must be a workaround (or maybe I'm just mule-headed). Germán. Works from a cron job: 44 11 * * * /root/tmp/tmp/testg Here is my setup: I have vncserver running on my server. I open root's desktop with vncviewer from another PC. From the same another PC, I ssh in and can run the script which starts galeon and the window opens in vncviewer. (I only use the real console in emergencies.) The ssh terminal does not have the environment variable DISPLAY set; thus emulating the environment of cron jobs. This setup also works if the script is run from cron. I tested it here. I'm not sure what you guys are talking about when you say security settings. The another PC is on my local LAN and the server allows a connection. [EMAIL PROTECTED] tmp]# cat testg #!/bin/sh export DISPLAY=:0.0 echo $DISPLAY /usr/bin/galeon #/usr/bin/mozilla Root gets an email from the echo command which reads: :0.0 HTH, Bill Running a VNC server is a bit different from running an X server. I have not looked at the security settings for the VNC server. The VNC server takes the place of the normal X server, so the settings of the VNC server determine what programs can connect. My experence in using ssh with X has been slightly different - I use ssh to run a program on a remote machine, and have it connect to the X server on my machine. With ssh set to forward the X connection, the local X server thinks I am running a program on the local machine. If I am running X localy, it works better then VNC for me. I usualy do not need the remote window manager. If I do, then I start it in and Xnest window on my normal desktop. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
RE: [newbie] Cron doesn't run for user
Do you set and export the DISPLAY variable? From an xterminal run: env | grep DISPLAY to see what it is set to. I would think that if you do startx as root then the crontab would have to be root's. Also, if your cron job fails you should get email. Check that for errors. Test your script. Open an xterm and type: unset DISPLAY then run your script. Does it work? Bill PS. My run level is 3 not 5. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of German Guillot Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 12:13 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Cron doesn't run for user On Fri, 06 Aug 2004 01:42:10 +1000, Stephen Kühn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok...just for giggles and grins, I just created a small script to fire up Galeon (/home/stephen/bin/start_galeon) :: snip #!/bin/bash /usr/bin/galeon http://freshmeat.net exit /snip Fired up kcron as myself, added the task, saved the task; fired up kcron again and forced a run; worked like a charm; was I missing something originally in the thread? Well, damnit. No, you're not missing anything, but I obviously am. I have a little script just like yours. I create a crontab with a task for it. It just doesn't work. Other scripts with other commands (cat, for example) are run by cron from my crontab, no problem. So it's not that I can't program a task in cron. It's not that I can't write a script to fire up a browser, that too works (run from the xterm). The only thing I can think of is that your X configuration and mine are different, and mine doesn't allow me to do this. Got a lot more studying to do. Germán. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Cron doesn't run for user
On Thu, 05 Aug 2004 10:47:57 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The display manager will be running as root. But when a suer logs in, it turns ownership over th the user. If you use run level 3, then the user owns the X server from the start. You can also do things like have more then one X server running at a time, each owned by a different user. Access to each X server is controled by xauth. There is an XAUTHORITY shell varable that points to the file containing the key. It is possable to grant a program run by a different user access, but it is not simple. Run man xauth and you will get an idea... On the other hand, maybe you could use something like lynx, or wget to do what you are looking for? I'll check out xauth, though it seems a bit of overkill to have two X servers running, just for this little toy. It'll teach me something new, though. I changed my run level to 3 and logged in again. I see that I own a process called xinit, but top shows me that X is run by root (and takes up 15% of my memory, which is why I'll try to make this work with xauth, but just for homework. Even if it works, it's too heavy a solution for such a small thing). Anyway, even with logging in from level 3 the stuff I've been trying doesnt work. Lynx would work, I guess. I hadn't thought of that. Thank you for taking so much interest. I feel a little overwhelmed ;) Germán. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] How to set up a wireless router?
Len Lawrence wrote: On Thu, 05 Aug 2004 11:17:31 +0100 Kevin Ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Len Lawrence wrote: On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 02:40:20 +0100 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mate I'm with blueyonder, register your wireless router on blueyonder, before you use it. I guess you have Modem --- router lan setup or something like that. Me Cable Modem -- router -- lan | | wireless accesspoint. Works a treat for me. If your router is allocating ip address via dhcp you should be alright. Can you tell me what the name of the router you are using. Failing that get me on gaim doggieukD. I'll try and talk you throuh the process. I'm working nights and come off my shift Friday morning before I can help you out. Thanks for the response Kevin. I don't have a clue how to register the router with BlueYonder - that is why I hoped it would be automatic. From what Mikkel and the user manual says cloning the MAC address would get past that hurdle. My setup would be: desktop --- router --- cablemodem | | wireless | laptop Don't know about gaim - have never talked online. That's a whole new kettle of fish. When I first connected to broadband using DHCP, BlueYonder would change my hostname every few days, which meant my having to edit the /etc/hosts file by hand (names like dhcp285), but some time ago this changed and the hostname has remained fixed at x1-6-00-05-5d-47-9a-4a ever since. This is the ifcfg-eth0 file: DEVICE=eth0 BOOTPROTO=dhcp NETMASK=255.255.255.0 ONBOOT=yes MII_NOT_SUPPORTED=no NEEDHOSTNAME=yes and /etc/hosts: 127.0.0.1 localhost x1-6-00-05-5d-47-9a-4a The router I shall be using is the Belkin Wireless Cable/DSL Gateway Router with 802.11b Wi-Fi access. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com Hi Len Yes cloning does work as I have done this too, some good news Len you don't have to register your network card with blueyonder anymore, so you can just plug your modem into you wan port of your router. Normally the etc host are for your local machine on the network. Eg I have for machines 127.0.0.1 localhost 192.168.5.70darkstar.linux.localdomain 192.168.5.80 dell.linux.localdomain 192.168.5.90 tornado.linux.localdomain 192.168.5.50 test.linux.localdomain Above all my machines can resolve the names with their ip address. Len do you mean the host name of your machine? You can actually set this yourself so it becomes permanment. Before I go any further lets get one thing working at a time before we move onto the next, otherwise I think you might get confused very quickly;) Yes - in the past I have tried the hostname command and run into trouble. For instance, if set to stargate it would be overwritten by BlueYonder as soon as I connected. If there was no localhost in the hosts file then applications like emacs took ages to come up, presumably timing out on an attempt to access the machine over the internet. But I think you are talking about setting the name in a sysconfig network file - there is something about that in the networking HOWTO I think. I did not realize that there was a choice if you ran dhcp. I thought that the d meant you were stuck with a dynamic IP. I'll take a look at the router man online, I think the default login page to configure it http://192.168.0.1 this will tell you in the manual. Yes, the manual gives 198.168.2.1 in my case. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com Hi Len With blueyonder your ip will be dynamic, so it changes regular unless you specify you want a static one, not sure how much it cost though. the Dhcp manages your clients automatically locally on your network. How far have you progressed then with the router? Are things working? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Cron doesn't run for user
On Fri, 2004-08-06 at 02:12, German Guillot wrote: Well, damnit. No, you're not missing anything, but I obviously am. I have a little script just like yours. I create a crontab with a task for it. It just doesn't work. Other scripts with other commands (cat, for example) are run by cron from my crontab, no problem. So it's not that I can't program a task in cron. It's not that I can't write a script to fire up a browser, that too works (run from the xterm). The only thing I can think of is that your X configuration and mine are different, and mine doesn't allow me to do this. Got a lot more studying to do. Germán. Now I'm led to wonder, are you using kcron to setup the cron job - and is the user YOU or root or system? stephen kuhn - proprietor __ illawarra computer services :: a kuhn media australia venture http://kma.0catch.com :: mobile 0410.728.389 Serving Sydney, The Illawarra, South Coast and Rural NSW __ * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents __ Mandrake GNU/Linux 10.0 OE/Kernel 2.6.3-7/ No Viruses here. The individual choice of garnishment of a burger can be an important point to the consumer in this day when individualism is an increasingly important thing to people. -- Donald N. Smith, president of Burger King Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Program to convert wma files into mp3 ones
Job Evers wrote: On Thu, 5 Aug 2004, Paul Smith wrote: PS: obu wrote: PS: Is there some program to convert wma files into mp3 ones? PS: PS: #!/bin/bash PS: mplayer $1 -ao pcm -vc null -vo null PS: lame --r3mix audiodump.wav `basename $1 .wma`.mp3 change the options on lame. Take a look at: http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?act=STf=15t=203 PS: Thank you very much for your script. It does work, but it produces a mp3 PS: file with a bitrate of 160 kbps. Is it possible to get mp3 files with a PS: bitrate of 128 kbps, as it is usual? Thanks, Job. I have tried --alt-preset cbr 128 and --alt-preset 128 but with no progress. Any ideas? Paul Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] seti@home install/setup
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Okay, I'm feeling even denser than usual today. Could someone point me to a good, comprehensive site for all things SETI under Linux? I know it's a CLI version, and there are various monitoring programs for it (including gkrellm, which is what I'd like to use), but I really need a site that gives me a step-by-step from start to finish, if there is one. So far, I've not found anything that dumbs it down to the degree that I apparently need today. TIA - -- Chuck MATTSEN / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / Mahnomen, MN / RLU #346519 Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Alpha 1) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-9mdk MT Lookup: http://eot.com/~mattsen/mtsearch.htm Random Thought/Quote for this Message: ~ Be careful what you wish for; you just might get it. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFBEnPO+qbiwggubBwRApgGAJ9Dn3E0NrYgJUoBABUdF6VNJBW0EQCeJNKT Qbz5UXlKRB+aC0AqSzl5/mc= =bW5t -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Cron doesn't run for user
German Guillot wrote: I'll check out xauth, though it seems a bit of overkill to have two X servers running, just for this little toy. It'll teach me something new, though. I changed my run level to 3 and logged in again. I see that I own a process called xinit, but top shows me that X is run by root (and takes up 15% of my memory, which is why I'll try to make this work with xauth, but just for homework. Even if it works, it's too heavy a solution for such a small thing). Anyway, even with logging in from level 3 the stuff I've been trying doesnt work. Lynx would work, I guess. I hadn't thought of that. Thank you for taking so much interest. I feel a little overwhelmed ;) Germán. I must be getting old - the X server itself has to have root permission to access the video hardware, so it will show as owned by root. But access is normaly limmited to the user that starts it. You can use xhost to let other users, or hosts, access the X server. But this command has to be run by the user that is in control of the X server. As you say, running two X servers is overkill for what you want. I am trying to remember something - there is a dummy X server package, or something like that, for faking an X server. It may be part of the VNC package... If I can remember enough to get a URL, or if I have time to go looking for it, I will post more. Your problem has gotten more then one person on the list thinking in a new direction. This is one of the reasions I am on the list! Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] How to set up a wireless router?
Kevin Ferguson wrote: Hi Len With blueyonder your ip will be dynamic, so it changes regular unless you specify you want a static one, not sure how much it cost though. the Dhcp manages your clients automatically locally on your network. How far have you progressed then with the router? Are things working? Not really a problem when using the router. It hides the changes from the local lan. The Belkin router acts as a DNS server for the local network, as well as a DHCP server. So the DNS and gateway will be 192.168.1.1, unless you change the network address in the router config. One feature missing from the Belkin router is being able to assign a fixed IP based on MAC address. The Linksys and D-Link routers I have used both offer this. But you can set the lease time long enough that your box will still have the same IP, even if you turn it off at night... Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] How to set up a wireless router?
Len Lawrence wrote: When I first connected to broadband using DHCP, BlueYonder would change my hostname every few days, which meant my having to edit the /etc/hosts file by hand (names like dhcp285), but some time ago this changed and the hostname has remained fixed at x1-6-00-05-5d-47-9a-4a ever since. This is the ifcfg-eth0 file: DEVICE=eth0 BOOTPROTO=dhcp NETMASK=255.255.255.0 ONBOOT=yes MII_NOT_SUPPORTED=no NEEDHOSTNAME=yes and /etc/hosts: 127.0.0.1 localhost x1-6-00-05-5d-47-9a-4a The router I shall be using is the Belkin Wireless Cable/DSL Gateway Router with 802.11b Wi-Fi access. If you change NEEDHOSTNAME=yes to NEEDHOSTNAME=no, your hostname will not get changed by DHCP. then you can change x1-6-00-05-5d-47-9a-4a to what you want your hostname to be, and set it using MCC, or editing /etc/sysconfig/networks. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
RE: [newbie] tools for partitioning and formatting hard drive(diatribe alert)
Mhm... That's too much for me... Maybe I need to stop sitting at my computer... You was speeking deeply to my soul... I think I'll kill myself... : Are really everybody upset because of me? I just wanted to demonstrate the topic. I though it will be a good help for the people to understand the problem. Sorry everybody, sorry You (sorry, I forget your name :) BTW what is wrong with outlook? Tomas Tudja 136 Church Road N17 8AJ London, UK [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hysteria.sk/catcher -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charlie Mahan Sent: 05 August 2004 09:30 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] tools for partitioning and formatting hard drive(diatribe alert) -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On August 5, 2004 00:31:12, Tomas Tudja wrote: Hello, Format, fill with big files (movies) until there will be no space left and format again. If electron microscope guys (probably there are much cheaper ways to read data from disk only twice formatted) will find anything, it will be only data from last copyed files. If electron guys are working for RIAA, you are in trouble because of illegal copyes of movies :. But you need a working system to do it. There is no other way to properly and safely clean the disk without damage. Define working system before you make such statements please. Booting from one of the many LiveCD disks available and using the tools available to mount, format, change fs type and format again is possible and easy. The drives can have previous data on them or not. It makes no difference. You have taken this _way_ farther than anyone needed for it to go. My *flippant* comments about electron microscopes were to illustrate that the original question wasn't specifically asking for a format that would make any data impossible to read because that is a difficult process and very expensive. I was trying to steer the original poster away from the low level format trap since it tends to damage old drives of unknown pedigree sometimes. The first point I made in my reply was that it's probably easier to use the original manufacturers tools to do the job, then I threw in some smart ass comments. Little math lesson: Let say there is an empty place on a disk. That's the place, where we write the bite we want to be there. We have a 20G disk. There are 171798691840 empty places ( (((20 * 1024) * 1024) * 1024) * 8 = 171798691840 ). If we write a file on disk, we can do it by 5MBps. That means we can fill 41943040 empty places in 1 second. If we format a 20G partition with HardDrake, it takes about 20 seconds (I don't remember the correct time). So, if we format a disk (partition placed on entire disk), we are touching only 838860800 empty places on the disk and 170959831040 are untouched and containing old data. If we make two different formats (difrent filesystems), we just decrease this number maybe by another 838860800 and that is not enough. IT IS NEED TO TOUCH EVERY SINGLE BITE ON A DISK TO BE SURE THERE IS NOTHING LEFT!!! Touching all bites on 20G disk takes about 68 minutes by speed 5 MBps. What's the point? I openly stated that guarding against that type of forensic analysis was not going to be accomplished by what I was recommending. Are you trying to prove you are more capable and more intelligent than I? Fine you win. Much of the world fits that description. Counts are only guesses (I really have no glue about writing speed on a disk, but I thing it is something about 5 MBps. I guess there are really only 60 seconds in each minute and only 1024 bytes in every single MB If I wanted to study math I'd enrol in University, wouldn't I? I don't have the time. Your points are made and that's fine, but there was no reason for them in my opinion, and this type of over technical extremism may be why so many people despise geeks. Is there a reason that you felt a need to demonstrate your intellectual prowess? Does anyone care? Sorry for bugging you, but it is very simple so I wonder, why is everybody not understanding it with me. : Tomas Tudja 136 Church Road N17 8AJ London, UK [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hysteria.sk/catcher What makes you think nobody understands these things but you? Or cares if you do? Or if I do? Who in the world cares if the data is unrecoverable with specialized tools, or through more drastic measures? I offered a choice of methods to accomplish the original poster's question. What did you offer? Write movies to the disk! You do know that many countries legal systems consider that an illegal activity, do you not? It's called illegal copying or piracy and worse. But your remarks about the R.I.A.Ass. prove that you do. I won't recommend illegal activity. Does using Outlook on Windows make you somebody special? I needed not to read your belittling B.S. on a list where I and many others volunteer our time attempting to
Re: [newbie] tools for partitioning and formatting hard drive(diatribe alert)
Bryan Phinney wrote: On Thursday 05 August 2004 10:39 am, John Richard Smith wrote: Bryan, I've made a floppy version of dban, but tell me if I accidentally left it in my A drive and booted up on it, it wouldn't atually wipe my entire drive without asking me first would it ? As far as I know, it would not. The later versions of dban allow you to wipe just a single partition, rather than the entire drive. You would have to interact with the app after it detects the partitions and drives to tell it which one to wipe. However, I would recommend that you only insert and boot from that floppy when you KNOW you intend to wipe a partition or drive and obviously, you want to have a backup of all data before you do that. Oh for sure, but you know how it is, the best laid plans of mice and men. John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
RE: [newbie] tools for partitioning and formatting hard drive(diatribe alert)
Sorry, wrong signature... Actually my address at summer time is Tomas Tudja Huskova 65 04023, Kosice Slovak Republic Or Tomas Tudja Orgovanova 323 076 01, Zemplinske Hradiste Slovak Republic Now you can wonder : And please stop this silly flamewar BTW, You can find out that I am not a rocket scientist in my cv : Tomas Tudja 136 Church Road N17 8AJ London, UK [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hysteria.sk/catcher -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony S. Sykes Sent: 05 August 2004 10:04 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [newbie] tools for partitioning and formatting hard drive(diatribe alert) I have to wonder why a rocket scientist would post his full home address on a mailing list? Rather than just the area. It's just begging for junk mail sign up's. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Charlie Mahan Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 9:30 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] tools for partitioning and formatting hard drive(diatribe alert) -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On August 5, 2004 00:31:12, Tomas Tudja wrote: Hello, Format, fill with big files (movies) until there will be no space left and format again. If electron microscope guys (probably there are much cheaper ways to read data from disk only twice formatted) will find anything, it will be only data from last copyed files. If electron guys are working for RIAA, you are in trouble because of illegal copyes of movies :. But you need a working system to do it. There is no other way to properly and safely clean the disk without damage. Define working system before you make such statements please. Booting from one of the many LiveCD disks available and using the tools available to mount, format, change fs type and format again is possible and easy. The drives can have previous data on them or not. It makes no difference. You have taken this _way_ farther than anyone needed for it to go. My *flippant* comments about electron microscopes were to illustrate that the original question wasn't specifically asking for a format that would make any data impossible to read because that is a difficult process and very expensive. I was trying to steer the original poster away from the low level format trap since it tends to damage old drives of unknown pedigree sometimes. The first point I made in my reply was that it's probably easier to use the original manufacturers tools to do the job, then I threw in some smart ass comments. Little math lesson: Let say there is an empty place on a disk. That's the place, where we write the bite we want to be there. We have a 20G disk. There are 171798691840 empty places ( (((20 * 1024) * 1024) * 1024) * 8 = 171798691840 ). If we write a file on disk, we can do it by 5MBps. That means we can fill 41943040 empty places in 1 second. If we format a 20G partition with HardDrake, it takes about 20 seconds (I don't remember the correct time). So, if we format a disk (partition placed on entire disk), we are touching only 838860800 empty places on the disk and 170959831040 are untouched and containing old data. If we make two different formats (difrent filesystems), we just decrease this number maybe by another 838860800 and that is not enough. IT IS NEED TO TOUCH EVERY SINGLE BITE ON A DISK TO BE SURE THERE IS NOTHING LEFT!!! Touching all bites on 20G disk takes about 68 minutes by speed 5 MBps. What's the point? I openly stated that guarding against that type of forensic analysis was not going to be accomplished by what I was recommending. Are you trying to prove you are more capable and more intelligent than I? Fine you win. Much of the world fits that description. Counts are only guesses (I really have no glue about writing speed on a disk, but I thing it is something about 5 MBps. I guess there are really only 60 seconds in each minute and only 1024 bytes in every single MB If I wanted to study math I'd enrol in University, wouldn't I? I don't have the time. Your points are made and that's fine, but there was no reason for them in my opinion, and this type of over technical extremism may be why so many people despise geeks. Is there a reason that you felt a need to demonstrate your intellectual prowess? Does anyone care? Sorry for bugging you, but it is very simple so I wonder, why is everybody not understanding it with me. : Tomas Tudja 136 Church Road N17 8AJ London, UK [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hysteria.sk/catcher What makes you think nobody understands these things but you? Or cares if you do? Or if I do? Who in the world cares if the data is unrecoverable with specialized tools, or through more drastic measures? I offered a choice of methods to accomplish the original poster's
Re: [newbie] Aterm
Eterm is a pretty robust alternative you might want to take a look at. Eterm -O --buttonbar 0 --cursor-text-color white --shade 50 -c gray -f white -b gray That gets me what I need at least On Thu, 5 Aug 2004, Marc Hultquist wrote: MH: Does anyone know atem really well ? I am basically trying to do a few things MH: with it, and then obviously when I have figured it out, I will add it into my MH: fluxbox menu as a launcher. MH: MH: I am trying to do the following: MH: 1. Set the Background to be transparent through to my desktop background. MH: (Like you can do with gnome-terminal.) MH: 2. Set the font. MH: 3. Set the borders to be a certain size. MH: MH: Now I see the command as being as follows: MH: aterm +tr +trsb -sh 80 -fade 80 -tint blue MH: MH: BUT no matter what I try, I still get the standard and well I have to say ugly MH: window :p I got it working like 6 months ago, but I lost the config and since MH: then I have not been able to get it working again :\ Kinda Blows but I would MH: LOVE to get it working again ! Any help would be appretiated, and YES before MH: anyone asks or tells me, I have rtfm and read the man page. :\ MH: MH: Kind Regards MH: -- Job Evers -- A language that doesn't affect the way you think about programming is not worth knowing. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
RE: Re: [newbie] tools for partitioning and formatting hard drive(diatribe alert)
German, you are right... Now I see, what is the prob;lem here : To everybody: a didn't want to be sarcastic or too smart... It is just my english (only 3 months of practice), so sorry guys Communication in my native language is a bit different like in english, but I am working hard on it Tomas Tudja 136 Church Road N17 8AJ London, UK [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hysteria.sk/catcher -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of German Guillot Sent: 05 August 2004 10:39 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re: [newbie] tools for partitioning and formatting hard drive(diatribe alert) To the rest of the list members; my humble apology for the diatribe. To Thomas Tudja; if I want your opinion I'll damned well give it to you first. You'd probably still screw it up though. Regards; Charlie Let the zings begin. I _know_ I'm making a mistake by butting in here, but I reckon one should give Tomas the benefit of the doubt. I have a feeling he's not a native speaker of English (am I right, Tomas?), and for us forriners it can be very difficult to judge the tone of a written text. Very difficult both to understand flippancy, irony and sarcasm, and to transmit any of those. I don't think he was being an arrogant smartass. I think he was trying to share his tricks and his way of thinking, however uncalled for some of it may have been, and just didn't find the right tone. I don't have the feeling he was trying to put anyone down. Maybe I'm too trusting, it could well be. It wouldn't be the first time I'm shown up for a sucker. Aw man, I have a feeling I'm asking for it, butting in where no one called me. But I've suffered communication problems myself, and still do, and I felt it was right to put in a word of caution. Misunderstandings are such a drain on all our energies, and for naught. Germán. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] port 22 : Connection refused
Hi, I have the following hardware and OS'ses.. Gateway .. running Suse 9.0 with a firewall setup Laptop .. running Suse 9.1 with a firewall setup. Workstation .. running Suse 9.1 with no firewall. Same workstation .. running Mandrake 10.0 with no firewall. I can ssh gateway . laptop. I can ssh gateway . workstation when running Suse 9.1. I can ssh laptop . workstation when running Suse 9.1. All pc's can ping each other with no problem. All pc's can ssh each other except when workstation is running Mandrake 10.0 .. then I get .. port 22 : Connection refused. PROBLEM.. ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] .. (workstation with mdk 10.0) .. returns .. port 22 : Connection refused Kindly please how can this be fixed in mdk 10.0 Thanks -- Johan Sch Registered Linux User #330034 May this be a good day for learning Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] port 22 : Connection refused
Johan Sch wrote: Hi, I have the following hardware and OS'ses.. Gateway .. running Suse 9.0 with a firewall setup Laptop .. running Suse 9.1 with a firewall setup. Workstation .. running Suse 9.1 with no firewall. Same workstation .. running Mandrake 10.0 with no firewall. I can ssh gateway . laptop. I can ssh gateway . workstation when running Suse 9.1. I can ssh laptop . workstation when running Suse 9.1. All pc's can ping each other with no problem. All pc's can ssh each other except when workstation is running Mandrake 10.0 .. then I get .. port 22 : Connection refused. PROBLEM.. ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] .. (workstation with mdk 10.0) .. returns .. port 22 : Connection refused Kindly please how can this be fixed in mdk 10.0 Thanks Dumb question - did you enable the ssh server and start it after installing it? What does service sshd status return? If it says sshd is stopped, check the configuration to make sure it is what you want, and run: service sshd start chkconfig --add sshd Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Cron doesn't run for user
On Fri, 06 Aug 2004 03:25:10 +1000, Stephen Kühn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now I'm led to wonder, are you using kcron to setup the cron job - and is the user YOU or root or system? I'm not using kcron - I don't even have it. In my home dir I have a text file called, appropriately (or confusingly) crontab. I edit this by hand when I want to make changes, and then I run: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ger]$ crontab crontab et voilà, the file /var/spool/cron/ger is updated and cron does as instructed, as long as you don't require it to use the X server. It's the user's crontab, but I've tried with with root's with the same result (ie, none). For my little problem I've found a solution now. The script that cron runs checks my intended webpage and if it has changed since last time runs cat status.1 status, otherwise it runs cat status.0 status (the content of status.1 is a 1, etc). In the meantime I have a background process reading the file status at the same intervals as cron. If it finds a 0, it does nothing. If it finds a 1 it opens a Galeon tab. Solved! I still don't know how you managed to make cron start Galeon directly, though. I'm using mdk10 OE, standard out of the box. I haven't messed with any configurations, I don't know enough for that yet. I guess you've got a few things tweaked there, haven't you? Oh man, so much to learn, so little time! Germán. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Cron doesn't run for user
On Thu, 05 Aug 2004 12:58:40 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As you say, running two X servers is overkill for what you want. I am trying to remember something - there is a dummy X server package, or something like that, for faking an X server. It may be part of the VNC package... If I can remember enough to get a URL, or if I have time to go looking for it, I will post more. Your problem has gotten more then one person on the list thinking in a new direction. This is one of the reasions I am on the list! It's a great list, for sure. This thread is frankly OT and has been running for I don't know how many emails, and nothing but interest and help from you guys. I'm a little embarrassed of all the attention it's got, but hey. It's a pleasure to be here, and a very useful one too. Thanks so much! Germán. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] tools for partitioning and formatting hard drive(diatribe alert)
Can you please fix your date? At the moment its showing: 1/1/1999 7:34 AM which means your posts appear under about 2000 others. rgds Franki Tomas Tudja wrote: German, you are right... Now I see, what is the prob;lem here : To everybody: a didn't want to be sarcastic or too smart... It is just my english (only 3 months of practice), so sorry guys Communication in my native language is a bit different like in english, but I am working hard on it Tomas Tudja 136 Church Road N17 8AJ London, UK [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hysteria.sk/catcher -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of German Guillot Sent: 05 August 2004 10:39 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re: [newbie] tools for partitioning and formatting hard drive(diatribe alert) To the rest of the list members; my humble apology for the diatribe. To Thomas Tudja; if I want your opinion I'll damned well give it to you first. You'd probably still screw it up though. Regards; Charlie Let the zings begin. I _know_ I'm making a mistake by butting in here, but I reckon one should give Tomas the benefit of the doubt. I have a feeling he's not a native speaker of English (am I right, Tomas?), and for us forriners it can be very difficult to judge the tone of a written text. Very difficult both to understand flippancy, irony and sarcasm, and to transmit any of those. I don't think he was being an arrogant smartass. I think he was trying to share his tricks and his way of thinking, however uncalled for some of it may have been, and just didn't find the right tone. I don't have the feeling he was trying to put anyone down. Maybe I'm too trusting, it could well be. It wouldn't be the first time I'm shown up for a sucker. Aw man, I have a feeling I'm asking for it, butting in where no one called me. But I've suffered communication problems myself, and still do, and I felt it was right to put in a word of caution. Misunderstandings are such a drain on all our energies, and for naught. Germán. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] How to set up a wireless router?
On Thu, 05 Aug 2004 18:50:22 +0100 Kevin Ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- big snip --- Hi Len With blueyonder your ip will be dynamic, so it changes regular unless you specify you want a static one, not sure how much it cost though. the Dhcp manages your clients automatically locally on your network. How far have you progressed then with the router? Are things working? Haven't had time today - 24/7 job looking after invalid wife - probably have a go tomorrow morning. Thanks to you and everybody else for hints and encouragement. Cheers -- Len Lawrence Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
RE: Re: [newbie] tools for partitioning and formatting hard drive(diatribe alert)
Em Qui, 1998-12-31 às 21:34, Tomas Tudja escreveu: German, you are right... Now I see, what is the prob;lem here : To everybody: a didn't want to be sarcastic or too smart... It is just my english (only 3 months of practice), so sorry guys Communication in my native language is a bit different like in english, but I am working hard on it Don't worry, man. Being a bilingual isn't easy, but it can be so much fun ! -- Josenildo Marques ICQ 289971493 +++ Homepage http://cyb.ezdir.net usuário Linux registrado No. 341648 ** The advantage of the emotions is that they lead us astray, and the advantage of science is that it is not emotional. Oscar Wilde, The Picture of Dorian Gray, 1891 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Cron doesn't run for user
On Fri, 2004-08-06 at 05:47, German Guillot wrote: On Fri, 06 Aug 2004 03:25:10 +1000, Stephen Kühn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now I'm led to wonder, are you using kcron to setup the cron job - and is the user YOU or root or system? I'm not using kcron - I don't even have it. In my home dir I have a text file called, appropriately (or confusingly) crontab. I edit this by hand when I want to make changes, and then I run: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ger]$ crontab crontab Hmm...I always thought that /usr/bin/kcron was installed by deafult on MDK 9+ systems...I don't recall having to specifically install it; either which, I find it a faster and easier tool to do the same thing (why reinvent the wheel?); and in so being, always maintains uncorrupted crontab information (although it did muck up a few times PRIOR to tweaking the IDE drives and a few other system params.) et voilà, the file /var/spool/cron/ger is updated and cron does as instructed, as long as you don't require it to use the X server. It's the user's crontab, but I've tried with with root's with the same result (ie, none). For my little problem I've found a solution now. The script that cron runs checks my intended webpage and if it has changed since last time runs cat status.1 status, otherwise it runs cat status.0 status (the content of status.1 is a 1, etc). In the meantime I have a background process reading the file status at the same intervals as cron. If it finds a 0, it does nothing. If it finds a 1 it opens a Galeon tab. Solved! I still don't know how you managed to make cron start Galeon directly, though. I'm using mdk10 OE, standard out of the box. I haven't messed with any configurations, I don't know enough for that yet. I guess you've got a few things tweaked there, haven't you? Oh man, so much to learn, so little time! Germán. I thought there was a panel applet for both Gnome and KDE that achieved the same means - telling you when a particular website was updated...Karamba and Superkaramba have themes that can do that (as well as display them nicely on the root X window - I think that gDesklets has features similar to that as well...) stephen kuhn - proprietor __ illawarra computer services :: a kuhn media australia venture http://kma.0catch.com :: mobile 0410.728.389 Serving Sydney, The Illawarra, South Coast and Rural NSW __ * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents __ Mandrake GNU/Linux 10.0 OE/Kernel 2.6.3-7/ No Viruses here. Yes, but will I see the EASTER BUNNY in skintight leather at an IRON MAIDEN concert? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] tools for partitioning and formatting hard drive(diatribe alert)
On Thursday 05 August 2004 14:16, John Richard Smith wrote: Bryan Phinney wrote: On Thursday 05 August 2004 10:39 am, John Richard Smith wrote: Bryan, I've made a floppy version of dban, but tell me if I accidentally left it in my A drive and booted up on it, it wouldn't atually wipe my entire drive without asking me first would it ? As far as I know, it would not. The later versions of dban allow you to wipe just a single partition, rather than the entire drive. You would have to interact with the app after it detects the partitions and drives to tell it which one to wipe. However, I would recommend that you only insert and boot from that floppy when you KNOW you intend to wipe a partition or drive and obviously, you want to have a backup of all data before you do that. Oh for sure, but you know how it is, the best laid plans of mice and men. John Therefore plan on it! -- Regards; Hoyt Registered Linux user #363264 http://counter.li.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] port 22 : Connection refused
On Thursday 05 August 2004 14:29, Johan Sch wrote: Hi, I have the following hardware and OS'ses.. Gateway .. running Suse 9.0 with a firewall setup Laptop .. running Suse 9.1 with a firewall setup. Workstation .. running Suse 9.1 with no firewall. Same workstation .. running Mandrake 10.0 with no firewall. I can ssh gateway . laptop. I can ssh gateway . workstation when running Suse 9.1. I can ssh laptop . workstation when running Suse 9.1. All pc's can ping each other with no problem. All pc's can ssh each other except when workstation is running Mandrake 10.0 .. then I get .. port 22 : Connection refused. PROBLEM.. ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] .. (workstation with mdk 10.0) .. returns .. port 22 : Connection refused Kindly please how can this be fixed in mdk 10.0 Thanks Try opening port 22 on the Mandrake machine. -- Regards; Hoyt Registered Linux user #363264 http://counter.li.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] port 22 : Connection refused
On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 16:25:31 -0500 Hoyt Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 05 August 2004 14:29, Johan Sch wrote: Hi, I have the following hardware and OS'ses.. Gateway .. running Suse 9.0 with a firewall setup Laptop .. running Suse 9.1 with a firewall setup. Workstation .. running Suse 9.1 with no firewall. Same workstation .. running Mandrake 10.0 with no firewall. I can ssh gateway . laptop. I can ssh gateway . workstation when running Suse 9.1. I can ssh laptop . workstation when running Suse 9.1. All pc's can ping each other with no problem. All pc's can ssh each other except when workstation is running Mandrake 10.0 .. then I get .. port 22 : Connection refused. PROBLEM.. ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] .. (workstation with mdk 10.0) .. returns .. port 22 : Connection refused Kindly please how can this be fixed in mdk 10.0 Thanks Try opening port 22 on the Mandrake machine. -- Regards; Hoyt Registered Linux user #363264 http://counter.li.org ** Please tell me how. This sort of stuff is new to me. Thanks -- Johan Sch Registered Linux User #330034 May this be a good day for learning Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Solved (WAS: Re: [newbie] seti@home install/setup)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Chuck MATTSEN wrote: | Okay, I'm feeling even denser than usual today. Could someone point | me to a good, comprehensive site for all things SETI under Linux? I | know it's a CLI version, and there are various monitoring programs | for it (including gkrellm, which is what I'd like to use), but I | really need a site that gives me a step-by-step from start to | finish, if there is one. So far, I've not found anything that dumbs | it down to the degree that I apparently need today. | | TIA Thanks to Paul who gave me the clue I was lacking (among others) to run interactively with a ./ -- no problems getting going now. :-) - -- Chuck MATTSEN / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / Mahnomen, MN / RLU #346519 Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Alpha 1) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-9mdk MT Lookup: http://eot.com/~mattsen/mtsearch.htm Random Thought/Quote for this Message: ~ Life is lived forwards, but understood backwards. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFBEqt/+qbiwggubBwRAtDXAJ44B/RfYZdhY04WOt70QylyJqtKfwCfZ1TI V4FkhAiPV+61YJlYdi4vd2s= =kQcd -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] seti@home install/setup
On Thursday 05 August 2004 01:52 pm, Chuck MATTSEN wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Okay, I'm feeling even denser than usual today. Could someone point me to a good, comprehensive site for all things SETI under Linux? I know it's a CLI version, and there are various monitoring programs for it (including gkrellm, which is what I'd like to use), but I really need a site that gives me a step-by-step from start to finish, if there is one. So far, I've not found anything that dumbs it down to the degree that I apparently need today. TIA - -- Chuck MATTSEN / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / Mahnomen, MN / RLU #346519 Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Alpha 1) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-9mdk MT Lookup: http://eot.com/~mattsen/mtsearch.htm Random Thought/Quote for this Message: ~ Be careful what you wish for; you just might get it. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFBEnPO+qbiwggubBwRApgGAJ9Dn3E0NrYgJUoBABUdF6VNJBW0EQCeJNKT Qbz5UXlKRB+aC0AqSzl5/mc= =bW5t -END PGP SIGNATURE- tell us where you are right now,,, I got [EMAIL PROTECTED] running for years now,,, adn if I can do it many times over, I am sure we could walk thru it... have you downloaded the file setiathome-3.08.i686-pc-linux-gnu.tar? have you made a folder for it? have you moved the file to that folder? have you untared the file ? I think this one, not being a tar gz, but just a tar gets; setiathome-3.08.i686-pc-linux-gnu.tar. -xvf, let me know if that doesn't work, or if i am talking over your head...(but if it doesn't work save the error output) now if you get that far, with no errors, you should be able to type ./setiathome, from the prompt, in the folder that has been created. setiathome-3.03.i386-pc-linux-gnulibc1-static -- linux counter #167806 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] seti@home install/setup
On Thu, 05 Aug 2004 12:52:14 -0500 Chuck MATTSEN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Okay, I'm feeling even denser than usual today. Could someone point me to a good, comprehensive site for all things SETI under Linux? I know it's a CLI version, and there are various monitoring programs for it (including gkrellm, which is what I'd like to use), but I really need a site that gives me a step-by-step from start to finish, if there is one. So far, I've not found anything that dumbs it down to the degree that I apparently need today. Don't know about ALL things SETI but there is a good graphical interface called TkSETI - http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~macdonal/tkseti/tkseti.html. This allows pausing, stopping and starting the setiathome client and displays a history of your largest spikes, gaussians, triplets etc. and also gives you an equatorial sky map showing all the regions you have processed and the location of spikes etc. what have you. Setiathome supplies xsetiathome, which may be similar. Presumably you have a link for that. AFAIK you need a setiathome directory under /home/user for the current workfiles and the binary installed somewhere in your PATH. Hope this isn't too patronizing. While you are looking to use spare cpu cycles you might consider the protein folding project at Stanford University, which has the probable advantage of being more useful in the long run. I think it was Joe Hill who originally recommended that. Will repost the link if you are interested. -- Len Lawrence -- The two things that can get you into trouble quicker than anything else are fast women and slow horses. -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] seti@home install/setup
On Thursday 05 August 2004 06:29 pm, et wrote: On Thursday 05 August 2004 01:52 pm, Chuck MATTSEN wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Okay, I'm feeling even denser than usual today. Could someone point me to a good, comprehensive site for all things SETI under Linux? I know it's a CLI version, and there are various monitoring programs for it (including gkrellm, which is what I'd like to use), but I really need a site that gives me a step-by-step from start to finish, if there is one. So far, I've not found anything that dumbs it down to the degree that I apparently need today. TIA - -- Chuck MATTSEN / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / Mahnomen, MN / RLU #346519 Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Alpha 1) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-9mdk MT Lookup: http://eot.com/~mattsen/mtsearch.htm Random Thought/Quote for this Message: ~ Be careful what you wish for; you just might get it. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFBEnPO+qbiwggubBwRApgGAJ9Dn3E0NrYgJUoBABUdF6VNJBW0EQCeJNKT Qbz5UXlKRB+aC0AqSzl5/mc= =bW5t -END PGP SIGNATURE- tell us where you are right now,,, I got [EMAIL PROTECTED] running for years now,,, adn if I can do it many times over, I am sure we could walk thru it... have you downloaded the file setiathome-3.08.i686-pc-linux-gnu.tar? have you made a folder for it? have you moved the file to that folder? have you untared the file ? I think this one, not being a tar gz, but just a tar gets; setiathome-3.08.i686-pc-linux-gnu.tar. -xvf, d tar -xvf setiathome-3.08.i686-pc-linux-gnu.tar wake up ET!!! let me know if that doesn't work, or if i am talking over your head...(but if it doesn't work save the error output) now if you get that far, with no errors, you should be able to type ./setiathome, from the prompt, in the folder that has been created. setiathome-3.03.i386-pc-linux-gnulibc1-static -- linux counter #167806 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] TightVNC ssh
Hallo, bryan. How can I setup Tight VNC ssh on my mandrake box? I will prefer an gui installation. If not can you show me an easy way to installed via commandline? I am a newbie. Forgive me if my question sucks. Gregory Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] How to determine that Firestater is running?
On Thursday 05 August 2004 09:06 pm, you wrote: You really have me confused now Dan :( Attached is my firewall.sh file from /etc/firestarter. To me it seems to have rules already in it. I turned iptables back on, checked at grc.com and its all the same, 21, 23, 80 open, rest closed. I've been trying to figure this out for as long as I've been running FS. Why won't a scan of my system show any stealth ports. Below is the output from grc.com: This textual summary may be printed, or marked and copied for subsequent pasting into any other application: - - GRC Port Authority Report created on UTC: 2004-08-06 at 01:04:18 Results from scan of ports: 0, 21-23, 25, 79, 80, 110, 113, 119, 135, 139, 143, 389, 443, 445, 1002, 1024-1030, 1720, 5000 3 Ports Open 22 Ports Closed 1 Ports Stealth - 26 Ports Tested Ports found to be OPEN were: 21, 23, 80 The port found to be STEALTH was: 0 Other than what is listed above, all ports are CLOSED. TruStealth: FAILED - NOT all tested ports were STEALTH, - NO unsolicited packets were received, - A PING REPLY (ICMP Echo) WAS RECEIVED. - Chris, if you have just turned iptables back on did you reboot? it might help, also did you re-run the firestarter wizard? this may also help. All I have ever done was install iptables, then firestarter and reboot, then run the wizard and it was all steath. I have verified this config by stoping firestarter and scanning again to find all closed, but thats all iptables will do by default unless you give it some rules to go by. This is what firestarter is for an easy way to create rules for iptables. As for your open ports it looks like you have maybe installed a ftp server port 21 uses this and apache web server port 80 uses this. And im not sure what port 23 us used for, maybe someone else can help there. and Cris please send you replies back to the list as it might be helpfull to some one else as well. Regards, Dan Gordon -- Thu Aug 5 22:55:35 EDT 2004 22:55:35 up 2 days, 2:30, 0 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Where are the calculations that go with a calculated risk? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Configuring CD-ROM for both gnome-toaster and Totem
In order to use gnome-toaster to burn CDs, I appear to need hdc=ide-scsi in my kernel parms, and then I specify /dev/scd0 as the recording device. I tried without this, setting the device to /dev/cdrom, and gnome-toaster just locked up during power calibration. But with that parm set, I can't use Totem to listen to music CDs. I have a laptop, and Totem is the only thing that has worked for listening to CDs. When I try to start up Totem with hdc=ide-scsi set, Totem crashes with a signal 11 (segfault). This is with Mandrake 10.0 AMD64. Can I configure this somehow so that I can use both gnome-toaster and Totem? Thanks. -- Guy Rouillier Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] TightVNC ssh
On Thursday 05 August 2004 08:41 am, J. Gregory Croes wrote: Hallo, bryan. How can I setup Tight VNC ssh on my mandrake box? I will prefer an gui installation. If not can you show me an easy way to installed via commandline? I am a newbie. Forgive me if my question sucks. Gregory Here is what Bryan wrote: You should consider tunneling TightVNC through SSH for improved security. http://www.vanemery.com/Linux/VNC/vnc-over-ssh.html This url is the place to read about doing this. Using a dynamic IP service like NO-IP is very easy, you simply connect to your NO-IP name rather than directly to an IP address. Also Mandrake has rpm's for tight VNC that come with a graphical interface to run the server. Regards, Dan Gordon -- Thu Aug 5 23:12:32 EDT 2004 23:12:32 up 2 days, 2:47, 0 users, load average: 0.02, 0.05, 0.00 Ya'll hear about the geometer who went to the beach to catch some rays and became a tangent ? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] modem problems - speak slowly please
Hi - my first post to this forum. I've been trying to inhale all the information out there and so far have made it through just a few of the info man pages. I'm on mandrake 10.0 official, got both KDE and Gnome running (but trying to make this work from the KDE GUI) dual booting with WinXP The modem's a conexant hsf and I've d/l'd the apropriate driver from the linuxant site into the window$ partition in my /etc/fstab there's already this line: /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows ntfs umask=0,nls=iso8859-1,ro 0 0 none /proc proc defaults 0 0 and I can peek into the windoze partition from KDE in terminal I copied the driver into a disposable directory, cd'd into the directory with it and did: rpm -iv hsfverylongfilename.rpm now in GUI... in MCC - hardware - hardware ...the modem is *still* listed as unknown device. in MCC - network - make new connection ...I tell it modem, com3 (yes, 3), automatic on the IP, DNS, etc now get this: I got a handshake, then an error message (The system doesn't seem to be connected to the internet. Try to reconfigure your connection). so I took the @mindspring.com off my login (what the hey, it's helped in netscape) and now I don't even get a handshake. And the same error message. Put the login back as it was and *still* get no handshake. Fooled around with the authentication because I have no idea if I need PAP/CHAP (the default) or script based or what, and when I have it set to CHAP I once again get a handshake ...and the error message. Can anyone see where I'm screwing up? thanks Julie -- why linux? because MS is to OS as AOL is to ISP. ...also, you are using 'free software' now. It tends to suck as much as the stuff that is not free, just in different ways. -Carol S Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] tools for partitioning and formatting hard drive(diatribe alert)
Tomas Tudja wrote: Are really everybody upset because of me? I just wanted to demonstrate the topic. I though it will be a good help for the people to understand the problem. I'm not :) BTW what is wrong with outlook? Aha even I can answer that. Outlook Express is the most virus-prone program ever invented. Julie -- why linux? because MS is to OS as AOL is to ISP. ...also, you are using 'free software' now. It tends to suck as much as the stuff that is not free, just in different ways. -Carol S Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Configuring CD-ROM for both gnome-toaster and Totem
On Thursday 05 August 2004 11:14 pm, Guy Rouillier wrote: In order to use gnome-toaster to burn CDs, I appear to need hdc=ide-scsi in my kernel parms, and then I specify /dev/scd0 as the recording device. I tried without this, setting the device to /dev/cdrom, and gnome-toaster just locked up during power calibration. But with that parm set, I can't use Totem to listen to music CDs. I have a laptop, and Totem is the only thing that has worked for listening to CDs. When I try to start up Totem with hdc=ide-scsi set, Totem crashes with a signal 11 (segfault). This is with Mandrake 10.0 AMD64. The hdc=ide-scsi parameter is ignored on 10.0 even if you include it, but it apparently causes instability in the disk i/o. Can you use a cd burning app other than gnome-toaster like e-roaster or k3b? -- /g Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] tools for partitioning and formatting hard drive
Todd Slater wrote: I'm auctioning some hard drives and I want to wipe them and format them. I had all kinds of trouble creating boot floppies for some reason--even though no errors were reported I couldn't boot them. I ended up having success with making a bootable cd. So I'm using autoclave to wipe the hard drive; is there a linux-based tool (bootable floppy or cd) I can use to format the hd? What flavor should I format it as? Do I need anything other than fdisk? Hi Todd! Newbie here myself, but here's what I would do... very simple, though no gui involved: At a prompt, logged in as ROOT: (1) unmount all partitions on the drive in question, if any are mounted. Replace /dev/XXX1 with the correct id for the drive (I.e. first partition on slave drive on first IDE controller in your system is /dev/hdb1, master on second controller is /hdc1...). The mount command will list all mounted partitions. umount /dev/XXX1 umount /dev/XXX2 etc. (2) Find the exact size of the drive, unformatted. Replace /dev/XXX with the correct designation for the drive (e.g. /dev/hdb). cfdisk /dev/XXX You may have to type the command p to print the partition table to the screen for cfdisk to tell you the size of the drive. I don't recall. I think it give the info in terms of a block size which is 1k at least for me, and a number of blocks. If you don't have cfdisk, you can get this info with fdisk as well. According to the man pages, cfdisk is the most reliable of the fdisk type programs, between fdisk, cfdisk, and sfdisk. It's also easier to use. cfdisk is on the Mandrake CDs.. so you should be able to install it with urpmi cfdisk if you don't have it. Enter q to quit out of cfdisk. (3) Erase all data on the drive... be VERY careful to enter the correct device name for the drive here, or you will irrecoverably wipe out a different drive! Replace /dev/XXX with the drive's designation. bs is the block size. count is the number of blocks. All that matters with those parameteres is that bs*count = the total number of bytes on the drive. dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/XXX bs=1024 count=99 This will replace all bytes on the drive with a NULL, or empty byte. It might be possible to use if=/dev/random instead... this will make forensic analysis of your drive with hi-tech equipment much less feasible, if possible at all. I'm not positive about the ability to use /dev/random, though. It may run very slowly? Perhaps someone else could comment. If you use /dev/random, one consideration is that I am sure you will have to blank the first part of the drive (say, 64k or so) so the partition table is blank and won't confuse any fdisk tools or the bios. This would just be a second dd command, using /dev/null, with a count=64. (4) That's all you _have_ to do. If you want to... create a partition table and an empty partition, say, fat32, then go back in to cfdisk: cfdisk /dev/XXX cfdisk should tell you that there is no partition table and ask you if you want to create a new one. Say yes. ? lists available commands. p prints the partition table. g changes the disk geometry. The geometry doesn't matter to Linux, but to other operatings systems it's very important. I highly reccommend setting the geometry to the default geometry printed on the hard disk's label, as this is the likeliest geometry for other bioses and os's to prefer. Set the geometry before creating any partitions. Don't use the maximize disk usage option, as it's incompatible with other operating systems. Type n to create a new partition. If you create a fat32 partition, use the fat32 lba partition type, and mark it bootable. Only create one primary fat32 partition, as this is what Windows would do. Windows creates all additional partitions within an Extended partition. When you're done, q to quit and it will prompt you to write the table to disk. Say yes. (5) If you created a new partition, format it. If it's fat32, I recommend formatting it under Linux: The format might have problems under DOS or Windows unless the beginning of the partition is blank (for example it would not be blank if you used the /dev/random option with the dd command... ) Note the 1 at the end of the device name, for the first partition. You'll have to repeat this step several time if you created multiple partitions. -c checks for bad sectors and creates a bad sector table on the drive. mkfs.vfat -c /dev/XXX1 You can copy dos system files to the drive if you wish it to be bootable... Hope I wasn't too verbose. Asa Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
RE: [newbie] tools for partitioning and formatting hard drive(diatribe alert)
1. you really are not? I can't believe that : ! 2. I am running winxp2k2 in vmware virtual machine. Vmware is running on mdk10.1. Connection between winxp2k2 and mdk is safe, because mdk connection to network is firewalled. I am using mdk as a gateway for winxp2k2 running on a virtual machine. It is a good way to enjoy both systems securelly (but it is also a hardware eating way :) Tomas Tudja 136 Church Road N17 8AJ London, UK [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hysteria.sk/catcher -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Julie Sloan Sent: 06 August 2004 04:37 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] tools for partitioning and formatting hard drive(diatribe alert) Tomas Tudja wrote: Are really everybody upset because of me? I just wanted to demonstrate the topic. I though it will be a good help for the people to understand the problem. I'm not :) BTW what is wrong with outlook? Aha even I can answer that. Outlook Express is the most virus-prone program ever invented. Julie -- why linux? because MS is to OS as AOL is to ISP. ...also, you are using 'free software' now. It tends to suck as much as the stuff that is not free, just in different ways. -Carol S Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
RE: [newbie] tools for partitioning and formatting hard drive(diatribe alert)
BTW I am using winxp2k2, because I like it : Tomas Tudja 136 Church Road N17 8AJ London, UK [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hysteria.sk/catcher -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tomas Tudja Sent: 06 August 2004 05:04 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [newbie] tools for partitioning and formatting hard drive(diatribe alert) 1. you really are not? I can't believe that : ! 2. I am running winxp2k2 in vmware virtual machine. Vmware is running on mdk10.1. Connection between winxp2k2 and mdk is safe, because mdk connection to network is firewalled. I am using mdk as a gateway for winxp2k2 running on a virtual machine. It is a good way to enjoy both systems securelly (but it is also a hardware eating way :) Tomas Tudja 136 Church Road N17 8AJ London, UK [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hysteria.sk/catcher -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Julie Sloan Sent: 06 August 2004 04:37 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] tools for partitioning and formatting hard drive(diatribe alert) Tomas Tudja wrote: Are really everybody upset because of me? I just wanted to demonstrate the topic. I though it will be a good help for the people to understand the problem. I'm not :) BTW what is wrong with outlook? Aha even I can answer that. Outlook Express is the most virus-prone program ever invented. Julie -- why linux? because MS is to OS as AOL is to ISP. ...also, you are using 'free software' now. It tends to suck as much as the stuff that is not free, just in different ways. -Carol S Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] tools for partitioning and formatting hard drive(diatribe alert)
Tomas Tudja wrote: 1. you really are not? I can't believe that : ! Well, 1) I haven't been here very long (just today) ...and 2) I'm 99.9% sure you speak english better than I speak your first language. 2. I am running winxp2k2 in vmware virtual machine. Vmware is running on mdk10.1. Connection between winxp2k2 and mdk is safe, because mdk connection to network is firewalled. I am using mdk as a gateway for winxp2k2 running on a virtual machine. It is a good way to enjoy both systems securelly (but it is also a hardware eating way :) I've read about VMWare and may do that in the future. I'm dual-booting winxp and mdk10 on a new emachine - sorry I'm unable to get more technical than that yet - with the mdk on its own 120G hd and the win in the master 80G hd. It's a big step up from sharing a 6G hd with my spouse (we are now a 2.5-computer household), but I did like the win98 better than the xp. I gommed up the linux install the first time around and couldn't fix it - linuxcd ended up sending me replacement cds, nice of them - and everything seems fine this time (trying to be more careful) but I still can't use the modem or the printer on the mdk side. Haven't even tried the scanner or CD burner yet. Julie PS I am here because someone on the linuxchix mailing list said this is a good forum for newbies to learn - and I've already found lotsa nice links in the links section. the top ten commands site has been especially helpful so far. -- why linux? because MS is to OS as AOL is to ISP. ...also, you are using 'free software' now. It tends to suck as much as the stuff that is not free, just in different ways. -Carol S Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Aterm
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 12:09:33 +0200 Marc Hultquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know atem really well ? I am basically trying to do a few things with it, and then obviously when I have figured it out, I will add it into my fluxbox menu as a launcher. I am trying to do the following: 1. Set the Background to be transparent through to my desktop background. (Like you can do with gnome-terminal.) 2. Set the font. 3. Set the borders to be a certain size. Now I see the command as being as follows: aterm +tr +trsb -sh 80 -fade 80 -tint blue try this Mark .. /* on one line */ aterm -g 90x42 -fg white -tr -bw 0 -fade 69 -cr yellow -fn 8x13 - -txttype inverted -tinttype true +sb -T MyBox I think -tinttype true is needed for transparency - -g length X height should get you the gui size from the man page : -tinttype type Allows you to specify logical function to be used when tinting transparent background. That will cause aterm to logically combine text with background pixels. NOTE: If shading option is used, or background image is specifyed - true type will always be used. That works with bpth transparent background and back- ground image. Possible values are : Fast tinting options : and, andReverse, andInverted, xor, or, nor, invert, equiv, invert, orReverse, orInverted, nand, Slow tinting: true - will do true tinting - that means that background pixel´s RGB components will be decreased proportionaly to the RGB components of specified tinting color; resource tintingType. RickS +--+ MandrakeLinux 10.0 official - 2.6.3-15mdk-i686-up-4GB gpg --recv-keys --keyserver www.keyserver.net 0x24AABE61 +--+ The truth you speak has no past and no future. It is, and that's all it needs to be. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBEwl4Jo/ckCSqvmERAhd7AJ4zVWqZRqkIpAOXc0SK0j3hPMY8eACgxFED fgUEzdRSI08JIRNONZy9OuI= =WcB1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
RE: [newbie] tools for partitioning and formatting hard drive(diatribe alert)
Hello Julie My first language is slovak :. I like to have to systems by the hand and vmware is the good tool for it, but u will need not a new machine, but a very good machine. I am running on dual CPU, 1G memory, RAID1 array machine. With vmware you are cutting performance from host computer, so you need very powerfull PC to handle it. This list is good for me to, I just have to watch what I am writing, because people want to kill me sometimes if they are reading something I DID NOT wrote (english is so difficult for me :) Tomas Tudja 136 Church Road N17 8AJ London, UK [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hysteria.sk/catcher -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Julie Sloan Sent: 06 August 2004 05:23 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] tools for partitioning and formatting hard drive(diatribe alert) Tomas Tudja wrote: 1. you really are not? I can't believe that : ! Well, 1) I haven't been here very long (just today) ...and 2) I'm 99.9% sure you speak english better than I speak your first language. 2. I am running winxp2k2 in vmware virtual machine. Vmware is running on mdk10.1. Connection between winxp2k2 and mdk is safe, because mdk connection to network is firewalled. I am using mdk as a gateway for winxp2k2 running on a virtual machine. It is a good way to enjoy both systems securelly (but it is also a hardware eating way :) I've read about VMWare and may do that in the future. I'm dual-booting winxp and mdk10 on a new emachine - sorry I'm unable to get more technical than that yet - with the mdk on its own 120G hd and the win in the master 80G hd. It's a big step up from sharing a 6G hd with my spouse (we are now a 2.5-computer household), but I did like the win98 better than the xp. I gommed up the linux install the first time around and couldn't fix it - linuxcd ended up sending me replacement cds, nice of them - and everything seems fine this time (trying to be more careful) but I still can't use the modem or the printer on the mdk side. Haven't even tried the scanner or CD burner yet. Julie PS I am here because someone on the linuxchix mailing list said this is a good forum for newbies to learn - and I've already found lotsa nice links in the links section. the top ten commands site has been especially helpful so far. -- why linux? because MS is to OS as AOL is to ISP. ...also, you are using 'free software' now. It tends to suck as much as the stuff that is not free, just in different ways. -Carol S Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] tools for partitioning and formatting hard drive(diatribe alert)
On Fri, 6 Aug 2004 05:09:48 +0100 Tomas Tudja wrote: BTW I am using winxp2k2, because I like it : Since I am in the mood and no one else has stated it if you are so enamored of xp2k2 what the fuck are you doing on a MandrakeLINUX list. If your communication of choice relies on XP the falsify of your connection belies the insecurities unleashed and condoned simply by the means with which you choose to facilitate that connection. Charles -- There's a whole WORLD in a mud puddle! -- Doug Clifford - Mandrake Linux 10.1 on PurpleDragon 2.6.8-0.rc2.2mdkenterprise http://www.eslrahc.com - pgphxAM0vCmSL.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: [newbie] tools for partitioning and formatting hard drive(diatribe alert)
I am on this list, because I am using mdk linux on several other machines including my home pc and need to learn about it a lot. I like winxp2k2, but there are lot of other things I use gnu/linux for. Sorry, I didn't understand a word of the second part of your post : Tomas Tudja 136 Church Road N17 8AJ London, UK [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hysteria.sk/catcher -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles A Edwards Sent: 06 August 2004 06:09 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] tools for partitioning and formatting hard drive(diatribe alert) On Fri, 6 Aug 2004 05:09:48 +0100 Tomas Tudja wrote: BTW I am using winxp2k2, because I like it : Since I am in the mood and no one else has stated it if you are so enamored of xp2k2 what the fuck are you doing on a MandrakeLINUX list. If your communication of choice relies on XP the falsify of your connection belies the insecurities unleashed and condoned simply by the means with which you choose to facilitate that connection. Charles -- There's a whole WORLD in a mud puddle! -- Doug Clifford - Mandrake Linux 10.1 on PurpleDragon 2.6.8-0.rc2.2mdkenterprise http://www.eslrahc.com - Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] tools for partitioning and formatting hard drive(diatribe alert)
On Fri, 2004-08-06 at 01:08, Charles A Edwards wrote: On Fri, 6 Aug 2004 05:09:48 +0100 Tomas Tudja wrote: BTW I am using winxp2k2, because I like it : Since I am in the mood and no one else has stated it if you are so enamored of xp2k2 what the fuck are you doing on a MandrakeLINUX list. If your communication of choice relies on XP the falsify of your connection belies the insecurities unleashed and condoned simply by the means with which you choose to facilitate that connection. Go easy, Charles; this is the newbie list and we don't know anything about him. Charles LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] tools for partitioning and formatting hard drive(diatribe alert)
On Fri, 6 Aug 2004 06:15:54 +0100 Tomas Tudja wrote: Sorry, I didn't understand a word of the second part of your post : It means that regardless of What you are using as a firewall OE is itself intrinsically non-secure and is the method of choice for the proliferation of All virus and worms found on the internet. The bottom line, even with a Linux firewall by choosing IE as your client of choice you are both exposing and allowing the proliferation of the said effects caused by such. Charles -- No one was avoiding him, it was just that an apparent random Brownian motion was gently moving everyone away. (Reaper Man) - Mandrake Linux 10.1 on PurpleDragon 2.6.8-0.rc2.2mdkenterprise http://www.eslrahc.com - pgpMXjz6ZA7PL.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [newbie] tools for partitioning and formatting hard drive(diatribe alert)
On Fri, 06 Aug 2004 01:26:54 -0400 Lyvim Xaphir wrote: Go easy, Charles; this is the newbie list and we don't know anything about him. I meant no offence to him personally only to his usage of applications. Were there no linux MUA which I believed to be either equivalent, not to mention superior, to OE my mouth would have remained securely silent. As to being a Newbie, on this my main system I run cooker and in aspect in Some relations I equate my knowledge to that level But in others for which I have little usage I Am myself still a newbie and will always be. Charles -- I am ready to meet my Maker. Whether my Maker is prepared for the great ordeal of meeting me is another matter. -- Winston Churchill - Mandrake Linux 10.1 on PurpleDragon 2.6.8-0.rc2.2mdkenterprise http://www.eslrahc.com - pgpSnYvIavptR.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [newbie] seti@home install/setup
On Thu, 05 Aug 2004 17:37:00 -0500 Chuck MATTSEN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- snip snip snip As it happens, TkSETI is what I ended up going with, and it's quite easy to use, I've found, now that I've got the program itself going. :*) (There are days when I /need/ patronizing, believe me, and this was obviously one of them.) I may take a look at the others that showed up in urpmi (ksetispy and ksetiwatch, if I remember correctly), just to see how they compare. But, yeah, TkSETI is nice. Back in my heavy Windows-using days (which wasn't very long ago at all), I briefly ran some protein analysis program (United Devices, or something similar). I may look into it again soon. (If you're referring to a different outfit, yes, please repost the link.) My only concern right now is that, though I've got CPU cycles to spare, I'm a little paranoid about the high CPU drain with respect to the heat it seems to produce on this relatively new laptop. :) Know what you mean. My laptop overheats as well. Watching DVDs is a pain on my Sony VAIO because it freezes after an hour or so into the film. I rarely run mine anyway for longer than two hours. The [EMAIL PROTECTED] link is http://folding.stanford.edu -- Len Lawrence Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
