Re: [newbie] Formatting External Hard Drive

2004-01-13 Thread E. Hines
On Tuesday 13 January 2004 11:49 am, Owen Berio wrote:
   I guess I broke it but good.
 while trying to find a mount point that works I think I wiped out the
 formatting on my  primary hard drive.  It had two partitions but only the
 partition with Mandrake was formatted for  Linux and  had a mount point.
 The other partition was DOS formatted.
Here is what I had for the two partitions;

 / Mandrake backup


 Mount Point: /Mandrake backup
 Device: hdc5

I don't like the looks of this at all.  You said this is your primary drive???  
hdc would be the third harddisk on a multiple disk system.

 Type: Journalised FS: ext
 Size 51GB (44%)
 Formatted
 Mounted

 /Win2000 backup
 Mount point /Win2000 backup
 Device: hdc6

This does not look right either.  /dev/hdc6 places the /Win2000_backup on the 
6th part sector of the 3rd drive.

 Dos drive letter; ( C just a guess)

How can it be C: if it isn't on the primary drive and it contains no operating 
system? 

 Type Fat 32
 size 51 GB (44%)
 Formatted
 Mounted
   Although it stated the partitions were mounted I never could find
 them   If I tired the icons  on the desktop for my floppy drive and CD
 disappeared.

Did you backup your /etc/fstab before you edited it?


 When I try to reboot I now get the following message:
 UFS; Can't find ext3 file system on dev ide 0 (3,6)

Linux is looking for an ext3 system on the first ide connector (probably hda).

 Mount: error 22 mounting ext 3 flags.
 Kernel panic:
 No init found.
 Try passing init = option to Kernel

 Question do I need to reinstall the whole thing?

First, boot with the install disk, hit F1, and type rescue without the 
quotes.  When you get to the part about mnt try to mount your system.  Watch 
the screen for any errors for a clue as to what is wrong.  If mnt fails, 
return to the pervious screen and do an lsparts to see what partitions your 
system says it has.  Write them down.  You may be able to edit your way out 
of the problem, but a working knowledge of vi will be very helpful.

You can also restore your Windows bootloader from rescue, so you should at 
least be able to get your Windows back.

After identiying your partitions, a possible alternative is to reboot with the 
install disk and try doing an upgrade.  Recreate your partitioning on your 
primary drive, if necessary and as a last resort, but don't change anything 
(just choose the /, /home or whatever you have existing) and do not format 
anything on that drive.  It should be o.k. to partition and format the backup 
drive.  

 If I do reinstall should I try to install the secondary HD at that time or
 should I wait until all of the updates are installed. (I'm using 9.1?  The
 reason I ask is my phone connection is terribly slow and requires about
 three to four nights to install the updates.

If it comes to that, I would encourage you to have your secondary HD in place 
when you re-install, and format it the way you want it when you do.  As far 
as updates to 9.1, why  9.1 doesn't seem to have any problems (for most 
people anyway) that require applying updates.  I'm on dial-up, and with 7 
machines running 9.1, I haven't installed a single update.  My one 9.2 
machine had to have the rpm fix, so it did require some messing about with.

Good luck, and chock it off as a real learning experience.


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Re: [newbie] Master HDD won't mount in dual-boot system

2004-01-12 Thread E. Hines
On Sunday 11 January 2004 08:21 pm, Peter Simko wrote:
 Right. That's because there are no Linux partitions on hda. There
 probably never will be, but I still want to be able to mount that drive
 from Linux in order to access the data that resides there. I also need
 to recognize it in order to run LILO so I can start playing around with
 my own kernels.

Sorry, I was under the impression you were trying to mount a linux partition 
that existed on hda.  Please accept my apologies.

fstab shows what can be (and is, in most cases) mounted.  /etc/mtab shows what 
is mounted.  Could be a permissions problem, or could be a problem with 8.2.  
You've attempted to mount the windows partition from the command line, both 
as user and as root and have failed with an error to the effect that the 
partition doesn't exist?  Is lilo your boot manager?  Does dmesg give any 
errors during bootup?

Could you boot with Knoppix or pclinux OS and see if the windows partition is 
recognized?

If you are getting tired of this, it might be a good time to upgrade (8.2 came 
with quite a few problems, IIRC.  I didn't have any, but many users did.


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Re: [newbie] Master HDD won't mount in dual-boot system

2004-01-11 Thread E. Hines
I see linux partitions only on /dev/hdb (hdb2,hdb3, and hdb4).  You have no 
Linux partitions mounting on hdaX at all.  You need to figure out which 
partition is the linux partition on hda (as root# fdisk -l /dev/hda is your 
friend) and create manual entries for it:

/dev/hdaX /some_name ext2 rw 0 0

I have one that looks like this:

/dev/hda9 /backup ext2 defaults 1 2


On Sunday 11 January 2004 11:39 am, Peter Simko wrote:
 As requested:

 # /etc/mtab
 /dev/hdb2 / ext2 rw 0 0
 none /proc proc rw 0 0
 none /dev devfs rw 0 0
 none /dev/pts devpts rw,mode=0620 0 0
 none /dev/shm tmpfs rw 0 0
 /dev/hdb4 /home ext2 rw 0 0
 none /mnt/cdrom supermount
 ro,dev=/dev/scd0,fs=udf:iso9660,--,iocharset=iso8859-1 0 0
 /dev/hdb5 /mnt/win_f vfat rw 0 0
 /dev/hdb6 /mnt/win_g vfat rw 0 0
 none /proc/bus/usb usbdevfs rw,devmode=0664,devgid=43 0 0
 /dev/cdroms/cdrom0 /mnt/cdrom iso9660 ro 0 0

 #/etc/fstab
 # /etc/fstab: static file system information
 #
 # block devmount pointtypeoptionsdump pass
 #-- --- ---  
 /dev/hdb2/ext2defaults11
 none /dev/ptsdevptsmode=062000
 none /dev/shmtmpfsdefaults00
 /dev/hdb4/homeext2defaults12
 none/mnt/cdromsupermount
 dev=/dev/scd0,fs=udf:iso9660,ro,--,iocharset=iso8859-1,0 0
 /dev/hdd/mnt/cdrom2iso9660
 iocharset=iso8859-1,ro,nosuid,noauto,exec,user,nodev0 0
 /dev/fd0/mnt/floppyvfat
 iocharset=iso8859-1,umask=0,sync,nosuid,user,noauto,nodev,codepage=850,unhi
de 0 0
 /dev/hda1/mnt/win_cvfatdefaults00
 /dev/hdb5 /mnt/win_f vfatdefaults 00
 /dev/hda2 /mnt/win_dvfatdefaults00
 /dev/hdb6 /mnt/win_gvfatdefaults00
 /dev/hda3 /mnt/win_evfatdefaults00
 none /procprocdefaults00
 /dev/hdb3swapswapdefaults00


 I'm in the middle of playing around with my CDRW drive too, so that
 entry may look weird.

 Pete

 et wrote:
 On Sunday 11 January 2004 06:17 am, E. Hines wrote:
 On Saturday 10 January 2004 06:01 pm, Peter Simko wrote:
 The hda is working fine. It's the master on a dual-boot system and has
 the XP OS and most of my data on it. It shows up in BIOS during boot
 just fine. The hardware also seems to be detected in dmesg, but no
 drivers are available. And I just double checked the jumper and it's set
 to 'master', not cable select.
 
 post (as root, without the quotes, in a text consol) cat /etc/mtab
 and
 cat /etc/fstab


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Re: [newbie] Master HDD won't mount in dual-boot system

2004-01-10 Thread E. Hines
On Friday 09 January 2004 07:30 pm, Peter Simko wrote:


 Nope, hda doesn't show up there either, just the hdb device. This is
 really annoying the hell out of me. I used to run both HDDs from an ATA
 controller card, but I got rid of that and put both drives on IDE 0 to
 simplify my system. That changed hdf to hdb without a problem (with
 appropriate changes to fstab), but somehow hde just went 'poof' and
 disappeared instead of showing up again as hda.

A few things I can think of:

hda should be jumpered for Master and it should be (if I recall correctly, 
someone will correct me if I'm wrong) on the end of the IDE cable.  The slave 
drive should be attached to the center cable connector.  Does your bios show 
both drives being detected and identified correctly? (assuming you don't have 
a crippled bios like a Gateway or some such).  Do you get a message at the 
first boot screen (right after memory test) that shows the Master and Slave 
drive being identified?
Have you tried moving hdb to ide1, and having hda alone on ide0?  Tried 
booting with only hda plugged in?  Lots of stuff you can do to determine what 
the problem is, but it acts like:

1.  hda has no power plugged into it
2.  hda is jumpered wrong, or in the wrong position on the cable
3.  the IDE cable is bad, not plugged in, or plugged in wrong--red marker not 
to pin 1 (not impossible to do with some cable/drive combos)
4.  the hd has gone bad

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[newbie] SpamAssassin Question

2004-01-10 Thread E. Hines
I've been running SA for several months now, and it has been extremely 
successful.  My wife get's dozens of spams a day, and the filtering has 
gotten better as more spams get added to the database.  

Now I want to move her account to a different machine, but I don't want to 
start the sa-learn process all over again.  How do I transfer the bayesian 
learns that have been run for the past few months?  Will simply copying the 
~/.spamassassin folder, with all its bayes files across do the trick?
Can bayes learns be copied from her account to mine (I get a lot less spam, so 
I have less missed spam to run an sa-learn on) to make my filters more 
effective?

thanks

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Re: [newbie] Master HDD won't mount in dual-boot system

2004-01-10 Thread E. Hines
On Saturday 10 January 2004 06:01 pm, Peter Simko wrote:


 The hda is working fine. It's the master on a dual-boot system and has
 the XP OS and most of my data on it. It shows up in BIOS during boot
 just fine. The hardware also seems to be detected in dmesg, but no
 drivers are available. And I just double checked the jumper and it's set
 to 'master', not cable select.

What I really think, now, is your /etc/fstab has no entries for a Linux 
partition on /dev/hdaX.  If Linux boots, take a peek at fstab and see where 
Windows is being mounted (should be hda1), and if you have any entries for 
Linux filesystems on hda.  The first linux partition of hda should say 
something similar to this example:
 /dev/hda5  /backup  reiserfs   noatime,rw,user,exec,auto   1 1
What the above line says is that a partition of type reiserfs, named /backup 
exists at the location 5 on disk hda, and is mounted read and write, by any 
user, at bootup.  


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Re: [newbie] Master HDD won't mount in dual-boot system

2004-01-10 Thread E. Hines
and as root#fdisk -l /dev/hda will give a complete list of the partitions 
. and what their formatting is

and as root#fdisk -l   will give info about what the symbolic links should
   be
e.

On Saturday 10 January 2004 08:07 pm, bascule wrote:
 have you lost the link to the drive if you are using devfs?
 i don't remember the earlier posts but if you have 9.2 and are using devfs
 then you will find that /dev/hda etc are symbolic links, i.e.:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] bascule]$ ls -l /dev/hda
 lr-xr-xr-x1 root root   32 Jan  9 12:13 /dev/hda -
 ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] bascule]$ ls -l /dev/hda1
 lr-xr-xr-x1 root root   33 Jan  9 12:13 /dev/hda1 -
 ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1

 bascule


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Re: [newbie] Help - I broke it!!! [was: unable to ping to/from windoze box]

2004-01-07 Thread E. Hines
On Wednesday 07 January 2004 06:52 am, Merlin Zener wrote:
 Hi,

 First, I set both windoze boxes to static IP addresses, and verified
 they still talk to each other. The desktop refuses to shut down now,
 it just goes to blue screen and stays there. But I could care less
 about that atm, I can just hit the reset switch and boot into Linux
 and shut down cleanly from there. That's not the problem. The problem
 is I've killed my internet connection. I'm typing this in a net cafe,
 after setting up a new account and subscribing it to the list.
 [btw what's with the archives at mandrake.com only going up till
 Nov03?]

 I ran the drakeconnect wizard again, but it wouldn't let me NOT put in
 a DNS server or [the other one - I can't remember now] It complained
 that the DNS Server should be in the form n.n.n.n and suggested [IIRC]
 186.192.0.3 and 186.192.0.2. I'm not sure of those numbers, I'm going
 from memory here. It was 7AM when I was trying to sort out what was
 going wrong and that's late, even for me...

 When I start KPPP it dials and connects to the ISP ok, but then
 nothing further happens. Evolution times out with unknown reason and
 all web pages return connection refused. I ran the wizard again and
 it had obliterated my dialup account - I had to go searching through
 boxes and boxes of bits of paper and receipts etc to find the original
 signup stuff from the ISP so I could re-enter the dialin numbers and
 username and password again. But still, the same symptoms, no matter
 what I tried. It seems like regardless of the state of the dialup, the
 network connection seems to want to take over.


I'm late on this thread, but I've been following it.  For starters, I never 
setup my dialup with the Wizard.  It has fsck'd my dialup before.  My rule 
is, ALWAYS use kppp Configuration in dialog mode to setup the modem.  When 
setting up the connection, on the IP screen, check Dynamic IP Address.  On 
the Gateway screen check default gateway, unless your ISP assigns one, then 
you have to check the other box and type in the gateway IP.  On the DNS 
screen, type in the name of your ISP, example   myisp.net  , and check the 
manual box.  Type in the IP address of your ISP's DNS servers and add them, 
one at a time.  Check the box for DISABLE EXISTING DNS SERVERS DURING 
CONNECTION.  Check to see the you can communicate with your modem, and that 
your ISP dialup numbers are correct.  Back out to the dialup box, saving as 
you go.  Type in your username and password.

Your connection should work.  If not, go to /etc/resolv.conf and check what it 
says.  There should be only one line, something like this:

search Your_Lan_Workgroup_Name myisp.net local

mine looks like this:

search Hilltop gorge.net local

If it still doesn't work, /etc/sysconfig/network should only contain the lines

NETWORKING=yes
HOSTNAME=your_machine_name.Your_Lan_Workgroup_Name

Your internet connection should work, now.  The LAN is another problem, but 
one thing at a time.  Usually, the Wizard is o.k. for a LAN setup.

e.

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[newbie] Spammer using my email in from

2004-01-07 Thread E. Hines
Yesterday, I started getting hundreds of bounced messages--all spam for this 
site:  www.yuihjk.biz
I set my SpamAssassin to be sure that these are recognized and sent to the 
Spam folder, but I am worried that my mailbox is going to fill and then 
bounce real messages.
Looking at the headers, it is obvious that my email has been put in the from 
so it will appear to be legitimate.
Other than hope this blows over (and delete maybe thousands of messages--slow 
to download on dialup), is there anything else I can do?

e

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Re: [newbie] Spammer using my email in from

2004-01-07 Thread E. Hines
On Wednesday 07 January 2004 06:30 pm, Bryan Phinney wrote:


 However, were I you, I would try to file a complaint with the FTC under the
 new Can-Spam ACT.  Might be it will push them to move to shut him down, at
 the least, it may provide yet more evidence that can be used against a
 spammer that is already in their sites.

Done.  Interestingly enough, the chief sponsor of that (stupid) bill is my own 
Senator from Oregon, Ron Wyden.  In fact, his home town is 20 miles from 
here, and my ISP is located there.   Soo, if the FTC doesn't get back to 
me, we'll see just how responsive a representative I have.

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Re: [newbie] Realplayer Probs

2004-01-06 Thread E. Hines
On Sunday 04 January 2004 08:08 pm, Guy Rouillier wrote:
 Jerry Barton wrote:


 I was unable to get flash working for the longest time.  Then, in the
 course of debugging a different issue, I happened to try starting galeon
 from a command line.  It complained that it was missing library
 libstdc++-libc6.2 (something like that, sorry, I moved onto other
 problems since then.)  So I hunted around and found that package
 libstdc++2.10-2.96-0.83mdk (comes on the Mandrake CD) contains this lib.
   Installed that package, and now flash works in all my browsers.  This
 is the 6.0.79 (whatever) version downloaded directly from the Macromedia
 site.


Thanks for the tip.  I installed this lib, then did an urpmi of the Flash6 
rpm.  Got the removed old flash plugin message, then installed successfully 
message.  Opened Mozilla and went to a flash site--Flash6 works!  I don't 
know if it was just luck, or if that lib was really the fix for my problem.  
If that lib was needed, why didn't the pkg manager catch it has a dependency?  
Oh, well--it worked, and I've filed this for future ref.

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Re: [newbie] MD9.2

2004-01-04 Thread E. Hines
On Friday 02 January 2004 06:10 pm, John wrote:

   As far as I know the rpm update fixes all the issue with menus
   apart from the fluxbox one I mentioned.
  
   derek
 
  I should have added to my last post that running update-menus -v
  will produce a verbose output which should give you a clue where
  update-menus is failing (as it obviously is or else your menus
  would be complete)
 
  derek


I installed 9.2 on an experimental box yesterday, and immediately I ran into 
the menus problems when cups was installed with my printer configuration.  
Some of my panel icons went missing, and the Terminals section disappeared 
from my kde start menu, as well as none of the printer configuration stuff 
appearing.  That was weird.  And, the update-menus didn't work.  The really 
odd thing was, when I ran mcc and looked at the menu list, everything was 
there!  So, off I went for the rpm update fixes.  They worked and everything 
in the kde menus returned to normal, but the panel icons never did come back, 
I was forced to re-add them manually.

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Re: [newbie] Realplayer Probs

2004-01-04 Thread E. Hines
On Friday 02 January 2004 10:19 am, JoeHill wrote:
 I've been at this every which way I can think of and I can't figure out why
 RealPlayer is not doin' what it should...

 I installed RealPlayer 8 from their site, but when I go to install the
 mozilla-realplayer plugin from texstar (ya, I know it's for 9.1, but his
 Flash plugin worked so I figured...) I get Realplayer 8 not installed, so
 I have to install the plugin with --nodeps.

 I would very much like to get this workin', esp for this site:

 http://www.comedycentral.com/dailyshow/videos_headlines.jhtml


I'm thinkin' there be sumthin strange about the way 9.2 is handling Mozilla 
plugins.  I just put 9.2 on a test machine, and I could not get the 
Flashplayer 6 plugin to appear.  Both files were installed in the plugins 
directory, but Helpabout plug-ins didn't show them, and, of course, Flash 
didn't work.  I've installed Flash 6 on several 9.1 machines (the very same 
files, in fact), and it worked flawlessly.  I still had the *.so and *.class 
files from Flash 5, so I experimented and copied them to the moz plugins 
directory.  Flash worked!  I removed them and tried the *.so and *.xpt from 
known working Flash 6 machines, and they wouldn't work.  Smells like a bug, 
to me.

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Re: [newbie] MD9.2

2004-01-04 Thread E. Hines
On Sunday 04 January 2004 04:48 am, John wrote:


 Hi
 Thanks for the response. Is there a way to download and install the
 update rpm and dependency again? Automatic update has dowloaded and
 indicates no updates when checking.  I am not familiar enough with
 mandrake to proceed from here. I don't believe the install was good
 either so it seems that I would have to force the install or remove
 the old one and re-install. Any help is greatly appreciated.

 John

I downloaded the packages individually using the link to the ftp mirrors on 
the Mandrake bugfix site--these:

http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/ftp.php

The packaglist needed is on the bugfix site:  

 http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/advisories/advisory.php?name=MDKA-2003:030-1

I installed 6 packages, all the listed ones except the *.src.rpm.  I installed 
each package from the command line with:  
  
 root#rpm --nodeps -Ufvh name_of_file.rpm

Then I did an  #update-menus -v which acted like it didn't complete (took 
a long time and never returned me to the command prompt), but it must have, 
because I did a CntrlC after 45 minutes or so and restarted kde and my menu 
items were all there.

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Re: [newbie] Realplayer Probs

2004-01-04 Thread E. Hines
On Saturday 03 January 2004 09:19 pm, Jerry Barton wrote:
 On Sun, 4 Jan 2004 01:05:58 -0800

 I got flash to work with the plf .rpm but not with the installer from
 macromedia's site.  There's some other file needed but i don't remember
 what it is.

Anybody know the file that's needed to make flash 6 work?  Weird that the 
macromedia installer worked on 9.1 but doesn't on 9.2, and no error messages.

Thanks,

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Re: [newbie] Realplayer Probs

2004-01-04 Thread E. Hines
On Sunday 04 January 2004 08:26 am, Charlie Mahan wrote:
 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA1



 Flash is working here; as well as on every box I've installed it under 9.2,
 and some that I just sent the following instructions to. To the best of my
 knowledge anyway; meaning nobody seems to be complaining, g


 For 9.2 you'll be downloading:
 flash-plugin-6.0.79-2.i386.rpm

 If you have upgraded Mozilla to 1.5 as I and many of the people that I've
 helped locally have you'll also need to copy the plug-in to the

 /usr/lib/mozilla-1.5/plugins

 directory.

Yup, that's my rpm, and that's what I did.  The only difference is that I 
haven't upgraded moz from 1.4 to 1.5 (I'm on dial-up), but that plugin works 
in 9.1 with 1.3.  

But, Flash 5 does work with no problems, and there are only a few sites that 
require 6.  I would like to get it sorted out, though.

e

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Re: [newbie] DVD Apps-n-Problems - WAS - Samba inconsistencies

2004-01-02 Thread E. Hines
I also had problems with this card that I fixed by editing my 
/etc/X11/XF86config-4 and commenting out the   #Load dri   that existed in 
the   Section Module.   This was with a Gateway 450 laptop.

My opinion of this card is not good,  dri doesn't play well with it, and it 
requires jumping through some hoops to get it to work correctly.  Mandrake's 
configuration doesn't handle it properly (SuSe does, apparently).  It appears 
that different hardware requires different strategies to get it functioning, 
maybe due to different versions of the chip, or maybe due to XF86 changes, I 
don't know.

You may also want to try the noapic switch in the append line of lilo.conf, 
as well as be sure the bios is set to non PNP OS.

e  


 My video card is an ATI Radeon Mobility U1.


 *** side note ***

 While doing this, I would intermittently have my menu disappear, and would
 have to run menudrake to fix it.  Every time I had to re-run menudrake, the
 config was set back to default (I have to set it back to all environments
 and all applications).  And after one time, my gnome-panel crashed with a
 seg fault.



 snip

 Certainly I can view dvds from xine, on a stock 9.1, with my drive not
 scsi-emulated, and plf files.

 I now have DVDs playing with KMplayer and VLC.



 TIA for any ideas or help
 =
 David Steiner
 www.DavidLSteiner.com
 Proud Linux User #262493
 =


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Re: [newbie] Samba inconsistencies

2004-01-01 Thread E. Hines
Screw XP Home--dual boot that machine with Mandrake.  You will use Windows 
less and less as time goes by, and you will NEVER regret it.  Put a Fat 
partition on it to share files between XP and Linux.

My home has 8 machines, all but one dual boot.  I am in Windows maybe once a 
month.  If you play games it will be more, but dual boot is the answer.  My 
wife is on a Linux machine, and she said to a friend last week, If I can use 
Linux, it must be easy (we were talking about him installing dual boot with 
XP and Mandrake on a new machine he was buying).  Our friend is tired of 
virus crap and constant updates.  Aren't you???  And Mandrake is easy enough 
even your wife and kids can use it.

E


On Thursday 01 January 2004 03:44 pm, robin wrote:
 David wrote:
  I have some craziness going on with my Samba.
 
  Samba seems to be set correctly.  My XP pro box can connect with no
  problems, but my XP home box will not.
 
  Whenever I attempt to add/connect to a Samba share with the XP home
  machine, I get a login dialog box.  The dialog has guest as the login
  name and it is grayed out.  This does not happen on th4e XP pro box.

 XP Home is LAN-disabled - it will connect to other Winboxes via Network
 Neighborhood but will not talk to any non-Windows machines.  I've spent
 hours trying to print to an XP Home box via Samba, and extensive
 googling indicates that it just isn't possible, so I suspect the same is
 true the other way round. The only solution is to upgrade XP Home to Win
 98 ;-)

 Sir Robin


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Re: [newbie] Odd e-mail (unknown everything)

2003-12-31 Thread E. Hines
On Wednesday 31 December 2003 12:14 am, Ronald J. Hall wrote:
 On Wednesday 31 December 2003 03:05 am, Eric Huff wrote:

 - I should have mentioned the reason, as Dark Lord had before:  none
 - of the normal fields that we see are filled in.  (subject, from,
 - to, etc)
 -
 - eric

 and did you guys notice the date/time on the one I forwarded to the list?

 1969... freaky!

Yes, but, if the server can't read the timestamp correctly, it defaults to 
January 1, 1970.  This happened to my mail sent to a friend's misconfigured 
UNIX box.  The time stamp on all my mails was midnight, January 1, 1970 (unix 
rollover time), MINUS the time zone from GMT.  Hence, all my mails were 
stamped with an 3:59PM, Wednesday, December 31, 1969.  GMT minus my time zone 
- Pacific time is 8 hours BEHIND GMT (or his, we are in the same time zone).  
I'm the only one sending e-mail to him from a unix-like system, and mine was 
the only one timestamped that way.   I don't know what he did, but he finally 
got it fixed on his end.  So, is the time and date GMT minus the time zone 
you live in?

I hope you find this little bit of trivia interesting and maybe even helpful.

e.

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Re: SV: [newbie] Installing problems

2003-12-27 Thread E. Hines
I'm with Anne on this one.  But, I do have 9.1 running reasonably well (even 
with kde) on a P200 with 128 megs, so it can be done.  Xfce works just fine 
8).  With only 32 megs I think I would drop all the way back to 7.x, but 
configuration will be a beast.  I've run SuSe 6.0 on a P133 with 32 megs and 
the 7.0 for 486 on a P75 with 32 megs, so 7.1 or 7.2 should do it.

e.

On Saturday 27 December 2003 03:05 pm, Simon Kempf Danebod wrote:
 Not tonight, but it is straight EDO RAM I might be able to get more
 installed!
 I will try to find some and get it installed!
 Thank you for the for the quick and sincere answer   :-)
 Simon

 -Oprindelig meddelelse-
 Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] På vegne af Anne Wilson
 Sendt: 27. december 2003 23:59
 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Emne: Re: [newbie] Installing problems

 On Saturday 27 December 2003 22:14, Simon Kempf Danebod wrote:
  I have an old laptop
  TOSHIBA S320CDS / 3.8 GB HD Pentium 233 MHz MMX
  32  MB EDO RAM
  12,1 Dual Scan (800 x 600)
  build in 20x CD
 
  And I am trying to install MANDRAKE 9.2
  I have the following problems
  1) I have succeeded in installing MANDRAKE 9.2 but the computer
  crashed when it came to the configuration of the PCMCIA. I have
  tried to reinstall MANDRAKE but it crashed every time (crashed= the
  PC freezes up and only resetting works).  I have tried text and
  rescue with the same result! 2) I have also tried to Fdisk my HD
  but to no avail. I am not able to Fdisk my HD because of the
  existence of a logical drive, but as I try to erase the logical
  drive it tells me that this do not exists.
 
  a) First I would like to be able to install MANDRAKE on my old
  laptop! Does anyone know how to without it crashing on the PCMICA
  configuration?
 
  b) How do I clean my HD completely and thereby releasing recourses?
 
 
  Sincerely yours
  Newbie Simon

 32 MB RAM is not enough to install recent Mandrake distros.  Is there
 any chance of getting more RAM in?

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Re: [newbie] MandrakeMove Key USB key locks up

2003-12-25 Thread E. Hines
On Thursday 25 December 2003 11:28 am, Dennis Myers wrote:
 I have d/l'd and made the CD and run Mandrake Move. The first time it
 detects the usb flash stick and the second time to boot it can't find it.
 No USB device detected.  The 128 MB memory stick is Advance Modules 2.0
 usb. It shows up on the USB view but I can not access it in any way. This
 is the second device to do this so I know it is the software not the
 hardware. Anyone else had this happen? I have been searching the forum but
 not looked at cooker or expert yet.  Any help is appreciated.  Dang,
 another cherry pit in my slice of pie. : )

I had a pen drive in a laptop a couple of days ago that I couldn't access via 
the gui, but I could rw via a root terminal so I didn't check the gui problem 
out, I just assumed I had a permissions problem.  A /mnt/memorystick (I think 
it was, I don't have the laptop here) was created when I booted with the 
drive in place.  You have tried a root terminal

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Re: [newbie] Re: Desktop Icons

2003-12-25 Thread E. Hines
On Thursday 25 December 2003 01:19 pm, Anne Wilson wrote:

 
  Thanks Anne and 'e' but it woulld appear that do not have a
  /~/.kde/share/apps/kab  directory. Will await the new year and see
  my Guru.

 I wonder if Erylon was thinking of ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail - your mail
 account details ?  Or maybe  /~/.kde/share/apps/kabc ?   I see that
 in my old install directory I have kab but in the new install it is
 kabc.  I don't know why, unless it has to do with whether upgrades
 were made before I used it.

 Anne

I'm still on 9.1 here.  The old Kaddressbook (assuming you use kmail, of 
course) was the /home/your_username/.kde/share/apps/kab--  If it has been 
changed in the newest version of kde I wouldn't know.   One way to check is 
to open it up and see if it is an addressbook file.  Kwrite can read the 
contents.
I like Anne's solution of renaming .kde to something else.  Then you can 
always restore from the backup.  Probably still have to use the import 
function in the addressbook to restore the addresses, though.  I don't know 
why simply copying the kab has never worked for me.  But first, does a new 
user have the same icon problem on the desktop, or not?

Back to the Christmas ham, now.

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Re: [newbie] cd-rom

2003-12-24 Thread E. Hines
On Wednesday 24 December 2003 10:22 am, John wrote:


 Everyone has been helpful. Yes I am running 9.1. Everything had been
 working great with no indications of problems. Then the cdrom wouldn't
 work. I have 9.2 hopefully getting here today and I would like to
 install this. I thought the cdrom would have to work before I could
 install 9.2. Is there a way to get the 9.2 installation up with where
 I am now or do I need to continue with trying to fix the cdrom
 connection?

 Thanks
 John

That won't be a problem, because you will be booting from cdrom--your Linux 
system on the hd won't even be mounted.  In fact, you will be nuking what you 
have when you format later.  The one glitch could be if the cd drive itself 
is bad (I've had several die), but if the machine finds the cd boot img that 
will rule out a bad drive. 
I helped a friend put 9.2 on a laptop yesterday.  The install went smooth as 
silk--really, really easy.  He was up and running in under 30 minutes.  
Hopefully, yours will be the same.

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Re: [newbie] mandrake 9.2 freezes so often

2003-12-21 Thread E. Hines
With 9.1, I haven't had any problem with the Nvidia drivers, but my cards are 
all at least a year old, so I can't guarantee what happens with the newest 
hardware.  I've been using the proprietary Nvidia drivers for a couple of 
years now, with cards from the old TNT to GeForce (depending on which machine 
I'm using) and they've been trouble-free.  Proprietary or not, Nvidia seems 
to have their act together with Linux support, and the installation has 
gotten easier over time (now it's just a .run, unless you are installing 
under SuSe, and then you need to jump through some relatively simple steps).
I truly believe that we Linux users should buy our hardware from companies 
that go the extra step to fully support our systems, even if the support is 
in a proprietary format.

e.

On Saturday 20 December 2003 09:34 pm, Ramin M wrote:
 I have heard that nvidia graphic cards usually work
 better under linux and mandrake already includes them
 in the power pack version like the ati drivers. Do you
 know about if they are trouble free unlike the ati
 cards? I am thinking to buy one and sell out my ati
 card. Financially this is not much loss.
   Regards,  Ramin

  --- E. Hines [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  I had
 problems with the Mobility version of this

  card on a laptop.  There is
  something wrong with the dri (direct rendering)
  implementation with the
  drivers, but I haven't heard that the problem
  extends beyond the mobility
  chip.  My lockups would occur at shutdown, however,
  and only very rarely
  during use.  Just as a test, you might try
  commenting out the # Load dri
  line in your xconfig-4 Module section, to see if
  the problem might go away.
  GLX doesn't look too good if your system acts up
  running gears, either, but
  one thing at a time.
 
  Perhaps SuSe is writing the xconfig-4 file for the
  Radeon somewhat differently
  than Mandrake does it?  For the record, I like SuSe
  a lot, but use Mandrake
  because I like the Mandrake config tools better than
  YAST.
 
  e
 
  On Saturday 20 December 2003 07:46 am, Ramin M
 
  wrote:
 Another problem during the installation was that
 
  the
 
   second time that i installed mk9.2 (i had to do
 
  this
 
   for some reason), it detected two graphic cards on
 
  my
 
   machine (on pci buses 1:5:0 and 1:5:1) where there
 
  is
 
   only one graphic card. Running glxgears after the
   first installation was giving me 2600fps and now
 
  after
 
   the second installation it gives 1900fps. Besides
   running glxgears now causes lines of lights
 
  flashing
 
   on my monitor and make the OS very unstable. I
 
  just
 
   removed the lines related to the second graphic
 
  card
 
   in etc/x11/xconfig-4 file and the xwindows is
 
  still
 
   working. So the problem might be related to this
 
  bad
 
   detection of the graphic card!
  
 My hardwares are as follows:
   motherboard: Asus A7M266-D
   CPU: MP2000 dual processor
   sound card: sound blaster live! (dolby 5.1)
   graphic card: ATI 9000pro
  
  
  
   scsi adapter: Adatec 29160 U160
   three scsi hard disks from fujitsu and seagate 15k
 
  and
 
   10k rpms.
   minolta scan elite scsi scanner
  
  
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Re: [newbie] Ownership changes on its own

2003-12-20 Thread E. Hines
I am not advising everyone to turn off msec, but some people actually want to 
shut it off and they don't know how, and trying to uninstall msec gives a lot 
of dependency problems that you don't want to deal with.  If you completely 
understand your system and it's security, and if you know what permissions 
you actually want on your directories, you can turn it off.  If you or your 
family are the only ones using your system, and you are effectively walled 
off from outside intrusion, there are times when you want to keep shares for 
all users in place.  You can write a perms.local file, or turn off msec--it 
is your choice.  The beauty of Linux is that you get a choice.  That also 
allows you to make bad choices, but the choice is the user's responsibility.  
Msec takes away some user responsibility and makes the permissions choices 
for you.  Some users love it, and some (like me) hate it.  Without msec my 
system is still secure, and my opinion is that knowledgeable users with home 
systems don't really need to run it.

JMO--make your own choice.

e.

On Saturday 20 December 2003 02:49 pm, Dick Gevers wrote:
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 On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:10:58 -0800, E. Hines [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote

 about Re: [newbie] Ownership changes on its own:
 That is msec at work.  For the record, the entire /usr directory (and /usr
 subdirectories) should be owned by the root user.  If you understand linux
 security, and don't want to use msec at all (I HATE msec), you can turn it
 off (as root) by editing the name of the msec executable in /sbin  --
 changing the executable from msec to DISABLEmsec.   That will stop
  msec
 
 from running and replacing your permissions with what it feels are the
 proper ones for your directories.  CAUTION:  You should have an
 understanding of the workings of security and permissions if you disable
 msec.

 I am sorry, but I don`t understand this advice. Some time ago I came from
 Windows, because my complaint was, amongst others, it`s lack of security.
 Now I am finally on a secure system (Linux) and we get an advice to turn
 off completely one of the main features of Mandrake`s security. Are you
 100% sure that that is sound advice??

 I would think that it would be better, if one must adjust the security, to
 go into Mandrake Control Center -- Security -- DrakSec and DrakPerm and
 change anything that you can`t do without and leave the rest unchanged.

 Regards,
 =Dick Gevers=

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Re: [newbie] mandrake 9.2 freezes so often

2003-12-19 Thread E. Hines
On Friday 19 December 2003 06:54 pm, Ramin M wrote:
 Hi,
   I am new to the list and mandrake. More than a year
 ago, i tried  with mandrake 9.0 for a short time and
 decided that i prefered suse.
   Recently i decided to try mandrake once again. I
 became a silver member of mandrake club and downlowd
 the powerpack 3 CD version and installed it. The
 installation seemed very smooth much better than 9.0
 where erased the entire partion table on my machine
 several times. THe only wrong thing with installtion
 was that on default the users are not given write
 permision to the home directory! So i have to first
 log in as root and change the write permission.

Have any other users out there noticed that the /home/username directory isn't 
user writable after installation?  I haven't seen that one before (and I 
installed 9.2 on a friends laptop last week).

 The
 sound is by default mute. I have to change the sound
 to advanced linux sound system to have it work and
 unmute the sounds!

Yeah, people have been complaining about this for over a year.
.
   Right now my main problem is that it freezes so
 often. It freezes when i am just in konqueror or
 mozilla serfing the web! The whole OS freezes. No
 mouse, or keyboard functioning! Even ctrl+alt+F1
 to switch to run level one does not work. It freezed
 also once after i ran a command in the terminal to add
 a ftp address to the list of download mirror sites. If
 somebody can tell me where to look for the source of
 problem and what i can do in this regard,
 i would be very grateful. Please tell me if you are
 experiencing similar problems or not and if so, what
 you have done to remedy the situation.

This sounds very much like a hardware problem.  My first guess, from the 
symptom, is that it is an issue with the video card/driver combination.  Tell 
us about your hardware.

I'm still using 9.1, because it works flawlessly on numerous desktop and 
laptop systems where I've installed it (although I had to do some tweaking on 
a couple of them because of hardware issues), and I just can't see a reason 
to upgrade--yet.

e.

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Re: [newbie] Ownership changes on its own

2003-12-18 Thread E. Hines
On Thursday 18 December 2003 02:44 pm, Lee wrote:
 I mounted a large drive on /usr/images. I then set up Samba and changed
 the ownership of /usr/images to be my user account as owner (chown
 myuser:myuser images)

 After doing a backup or a file copy to this folder from my WinXP machine,
 the ownership of /usr/images changes back to 'root'. Thus I get an access
 denied error.

 Next, I remounted the drive as /var/images (and reconfigure Samba) and I
 don't have the problem. Ownership stays put as my user account...

 Can someone explain what's going on here?

That is msec at work.  For the record, the entire /usr directory (and /usr 
subdirectories) should be owned by the root user.  If you understand linux 
security, and don't want to use msec at all (I HATE msec), you can turn it 
off (as root) by editing the name of the msec executable in /sbin  --  
changing the executable from msec to DISABLEmsec.   That will stop msec 
from running and replacing your permissions with what it feels are the proper 
ones for your directories.  CAUTION:  You should have an understanding of the 
workings of security and permissions if you disable msec.

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Re: [newbie] Can't login to X due to no room on root (/)

2003-12-16 Thread E. Hines
On Tuesday 16 December 2003 08:35 am, Derek Jennings wrote:
 On Tuesday 16 Dec 2003 4:24 pm, Trey Sizemore wrote:
  Computer was working like a champ a few days ago.  Tried to start back
  up yesterday and saw one of the messages during boot up say something to
  the effect of (sorry not in front of the machine now):
 
  No room on / [0] expecting [2]
 

Derek wrote:
 It could also be your logs have reached a vast size. Look in /var/log  for
 huge log files.  To stop your log files becoming huge install the anacron
 package. It will make the 'logrotate' job run daily to compress and delete
 old logs.

 derek

This is how I solved my log problem back in the old days, with a really small 
HD.  As root, I edited my  /etc/logrotate.conf

I changed anything monthly to weekly
I changed anything weekly to daily

If it says rotate 4 I changed it to rotate 1

Who needs all that log info anyway--you ain't administering a server, are you?

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Re: [newbie] make partition/dir r/w dor all

2003-12-12 Thread E. Hines
On Friday 12 December 2003 04:09 pm, Kaj Haulrich wrote:
 On Friday 12 December 2003 23:03, robin wrote:
  cdrack wrote:
   have you tryed  chmod -Rf 777 /mnt/backup ? (beeng
   root of course)
 
  Normally msec will change the permissions back.
 
  Sir Robin

 Yes, and on my system (msec=high) it won't even allow the chmod, but
 snarls back at me : operation not permitted (even being root).

 Kaj Haulrich.

You can turn off msec.  Go to /usr/sbin and rename the msec executable to
DISABLEmsec.  If you ever want to re-enable msec just rename the executable 
back to the original msec.  This is fine if you know how to secure your 
system and know what permissions you want on your directories.

I'm no fan of msec.

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Re: [newbie] login display managers

2003-12-11 Thread E. Hines
On Thursday 11 December 2003 03:09 am, Paul Kaplan wrote:
 IBM Thinkpad T40 w/ ATI Radeon M7.  I forgot to mention that startx works
 perfectly from the command line.


I loaded 9.1 on a Gateway 450 with that card.  Got the same lockup at shutdown 
and the only cure was a hard reboot.  startx worked for me, too, but not 
booting directly to init5--then I got the lockup on shutdown.  (That's how I 
guessed your card).

I solved the problem by going to my /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and in the Module 
section commenting out the line:

 Load dri

My lockups went away.

hth

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Re: [newbie] login display managers

2003-12-10 Thread E. Hines
On Wednesday 10 December 2003 02:48 am, Paul Kaplan wrote:
 I'm having some odd problems with kdm and xdm on 9.2.

 If I configure the system to boot to kdm, it launches fine.  After entering
 a username and password, the dialog box disappears, showing the default
 background, then the screen blanks for a few seconds and then X restarts
 and I'm back to the kdm login screen.

 With xdm, I can login and launch a window manager just fine, but when I
 logout from the WM, I am returned to a blue screen with a partially drawn
 login dialog box and a frozen system.  None of the virtual terminals are
 available and I can't ctrl-alt-backspace to kill X.  The only way out is a
 hard reboot.

 I've tried reinstalling kdm but nothing changes.

 Any thoughts?
 Paul

Sounds like a video problem to me.  Is this a notebook with an ATI Mobility 
card, by any chance?

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Re: [newbie] linux-out to lunch

2003-11-30 Thread E. Hines
On Sunday 30 November 2003 04:25 am, JoeHill wrote:
 On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 22:35:43 -0500

 Mike Adolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  After I rebooted, it got the same error,
  THE PERMISSONS WERE SET BACK TO ORIGINAL VALUES!!

 That's msec in action:

 http://www.mandrakeuser.org/docs/secure/smsec.html

 Linux isn't out to lunch, it's protecting you from yourself.

 Having the perms 777 is inherantly dangerous, the degree of danger
 depending on your security setup and situation.

True, but sometimes you may want a directory with perms 777(NOT your /home 
though--ever).  The problem is, msec, in its wisdom, and with its mission to 
protect you from yourself, will reset the permissions.  If you know what you 
are doing, and actually want these permissions you can either edit a 
perms.local file, or turn off msec.  How do you turn off msec?  Actually, the 
easiest way is to go to /usr/sbin/msec and rename the executable to 
DISABLEmsec.  Presto!  msec will not change permissions again.  And, to 
re-enable the little sucker, just rename the executable back to msec.

I am no fan of msec, obviously.

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Re: [newbie] usb iomega cdrw

2003-11-26 Thread E. Hines
On Wednesday 26 November 2003 04:44 pm, Dooggie wrote:
 Hi

 I finally got Mandrake 9.0 to recognize the drive(I don't know how).  What
 can I do to prevent it from not recognizing it again?

 Also, do I need to mount the drive so I can start using it?

 Thanks
 Dooggie

Open the MCC and under the SystemDrakXServices uncheck harddrake so that it 
doesn't start and look for devices at boot, so harddrak won't make any 
changes.  The drive should be in your /etc/fstab and probably will be 
automounted.  If it is referenced by fstab but not mounted KwikDisk will 
allow you to mount it by right clicking on the mountpoint and choosing 
mount.  You'll need a disk in the drive if you are going to mount it or you 
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Re: [newbie] unsubbed by accident

2003-11-23 Thread E. Hines
On Saturday 22 November 2003 11:20 pm, Eric Huff wrote:
 E. Hines [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Two days ago I stopped getting newbie mail.  That is very strange.
   If this
  message goes through --  Eric, can you look into it?

 I resubbed you.  See
 http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/NeWbie
 for more info.

Thanks Eric.  I didn't realize the problem was with sympa (at least not until 
I was resubbed and could read about it on the list).

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[newbie] unsubbed by accident

2003-11-22 Thread E. Hines
Two days ago I stopped getting newbie mail.  That is very strange.  If this 
message goes through --  Eric, can you look into it?

My account can handle the volume--no problem, unless my server has somehow 
flagged the list as spam with their filter.

e.

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Re: [newbie] MP# players

2003-11-16 Thread E. Hines
On Saturday 15 November 2003 09:09 am, Aron Smith wrote:
   I just bought a ARCHOS Ondi0 128
   when i plug it in I can read the directory under /mnt/removable
   the problem is that I can't write or copy my mp3s to that directory any
   suggestions ?
   thanks
   smitty
 
  It could be a permissions problem.The /etc/fstab line for the 
removable drive
  should have user in it somewhere, similar to this:
 
  /dev/sda1 /mnt/removable auto user,iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850
 
  etc, etc

 My etc/fstab for removable looks like this
 /dev/sda1 /mnt/removable auto
 user,iocharset=iso8859-1,kudzu,codepage=850,noauto,exec 0 0

I still suspect that it is a permissions problem if you can see the drive, but 
not write to it.  A possible solution to check this would be:  Try to copy a 
file to the drive from the command line.   The error you get may give 
information as to the nature of the problem. 

If the operation fails due to lack of permission, try again as root.

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Re: [newbie] 9.2 Problems

2003-11-15 Thread E. Hines
On Saturday 15 November 2003 06:15 pm, Melissa Reese wrote:
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 Hi Derek,

 On Saturday, November 15, 2003, at 5:37:52 PM PST, you wrote:
  If 9.2 turns some newbies off Linux it will be a pity. Once you
  correct the initial bugs it actually works quite nicely. (Supermount
  is great now :-)

 After reading about all these issues with the current MDK 9.2 release,
 I guess I can look forward to some interesting moments as I install
 and try to work with my first MDK! :-)

 - --
 Melissa

I think I'll skip this one.  9.1 works--everything works, just the way I want 
it.  I've upgraded only Mozilla and SpamAssassin, and try as I might, I can't 
come up with a single reason why I need 9.2.  For the record, I skipped 8.1 
and 9.0, also.  8.2 worked for me just as well as 9.1 does--clean and easy, 
but there is a point where upgrading does make sense--I just don't see that 
point, yet.

This sort of highlights the difference between Mandrake and SuSe.  Mandrake is 
cutting edge and stuff may not work.  SuSe is a page behind, but stuff works.  
But God, I really hate YAST.  Mandrake's user tools are so much better--when 
they work, anyway.   And that is why I still use Mandrake, if anyone reading 
this really cares.

e.

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Re: [newbie] Mozilla freezing everything!

2003-11-14 Thread E. Hines
Looks to me like they are using crap java (MS style).  It crashes my moz, too, 
but doesn't lock-up, it just closes.  Bottom line, it is the site, not 
Mozilla.

e

On Friday 14 November 2003 12:07 pm, Margot wrote:
 When I used Moz on 9.0 several things didn't work, so I bookmarked them
 and tried again once I'd upgraded to 9.2 - now they work, but I can't
 get them to stop without everything freezing!

 For instance, http://www.maylin.net/Fireworks.html gives a beautiful
 firework display but, when I try to close it, I can't - Moz won't close,
 nothing else works and I have to Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to log back in again!

 Margot


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Re:WAS-- [newbie] Mozilla freezing everything!

2003-11-14 Thread E. Hines
OH GOD NO!!  Not the top posting/bottom posting wars again!

On Friday 14 November 2003 05:11 pm, Carroll Grigsby wrote:
 E:
 Funny, but my stock Konq 3.1.0 had no problems. No, I don't know why.
 -- cmg (not usually a top poster, but when in Rome...)

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Re: [newbie] msec (originally Gcombust Question)

2003-10-28 Thread E. Hines
How would you uninstall msec?  There are a lot of packages that will go right 
along with it--drakconf, drakxtools,rpmdrake, etc.?  I dislike msec with an 
absolute passion (HATE is really how I feel about it).  I know what 
permissions I want on my directories, and I don't like being bothered by 
msec, nor do I want to be bothered by messing about with perm.local.  

E.

On Tuesday 28 October 2003 04:28 am, HaywireMac wrote:
 On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 06:55:46 -0500

 Lee Wiggers [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
  Must be msec.  perms are back to root as we speak.  Can anyone tell
  me how to make the changes stick?

 edit (or create, if it's not already there):

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 *Some* people uninstall msec altogether. Unless you make it a habit of
 running around changing perms on random directories, it's not really
 necessary, esp if your machine is not running servers that need to be
 secured.


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