Re: [newbie] New Kernel installation.
On Thu, 2005-04-07 at 01:10, Gonzalo Mdk wrote: Hi all, i'm new to this list (I usually use the expert) because i think this Q doesn't qualify for the expert list. I have a laptop (doesn't have a brand, is assembled in a place here in Chile) that has ACPI support, but when i recompile the kernel with acpi support (i have 2.6.3-7mdk-i686-up-4GB) it doesnt work. (gives me the following line: No ACPI support in kernel, or incorrect acpi_path (/proc/acpi). So i want to know where can i download a kernel that is for mandrake, like, is there a place for downloading the kernel 2.6.11mdk (or something like that), the newest version, so i can use the WIFI also. Hope you can give me some directions Salu2 Gonzalo Avaria ftp://ftp.pbone.net/mirror/carroll.cac.psu.edu/pub/linux/distributions/mandrakelinux/official/10.0/i586/Mandrake/RPMS/kernel-source-2.6.3-7mdk.i586.rpm If you download/install the sources, you should be able to recompile the kernel without much hassle. HTH. -- stephen kuhn mobile: 0410-728-389 illawarra and regional new south wales --- GNU/Linux/OpenSource Solutions and Alternatives 100% Microsoft Free :: Crashing is NOT an option. Registered Linux User # 267497 --- Let us, then, fellow citizens, unite with one heart and one mind. Let us restore to social intercourse that harmony and affection without which liberty and even life itself are but dreary things. And let us reflect that having banished from our land that religious intolerance under which mankind so long bled, we have yet gained little if we counternance a political intolerance as despotic, as wicked, and capable of a bitter and bloody persecutions. - Thomas Jefferson Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] New Kernel installation.
Gonzalo Mdk wrote: Hi all, i'm new to this list (I usually use the expert) because i think this Q doesn't qualify for the expert list. Actually it does, but you'll probly get better answers here, an less nags to add to the(ir) community twiki ;) I have a laptop (doesn't have a brand, is assembled in a place here in Chile) that has ACPI support, It might be non-standard compliant Windo$e ACPI. Even if runnin tom # dmidecode | grep -i acpi Version: ASUS A7V600 ACPI BIOS Revision 1005 ACPI is supported says it is. That's a direct reading from the system bios' firmware. Unfortunately most hardware is designed for Win$ux ;( but when i recompile the kernel with acpi support (i have 2.6.3-7mdk-i686-up-4GB) it doesnt work. (gives me the following line: No ACPI support in kernel, or incorrect acpi_path (/proc/acpi). tom # ll /proc/acpi total 0 dr-xr-xr-x 2 root root 0 Apr 6 14:46 ac_adapter/ -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Apr 6 14:46 alarm dr-xr-xr-x 2 root root 0 Apr 6 14:46 battery/ dr-xr-xr-x 3 root root 0 Apr 6 14:46 button/ -r 1 root root 0 Apr 6 14:46 dsdt dr-xr-xr-x 2 root root 0 Apr 6 14:46 embedded_controller/ -r 1 root root 0 Apr 6 14:46 event -r 1 root root 0 Apr 6 14:46 fadt dr-xr-xr-x 2 root root 0 Apr 6 14:46 fan/ -r--r--r-- 1 root root 0 Apr 6 14:46 info dr-xr-xr-x 2 root root 0 Apr 6 14:46 power_resource/ dr-xr-xr-x 3 root root 0 Apr 6 14:46 processor/ -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Apr 6 14:46 sleep dr-xr-xr-x 2 root root 0 Apr 6 14:46 thermal_zone/ dr-xr-xr-x 2 root root 0 Apr 6 14:46 video/ -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Apr 6 14:46 wakeup dr-xr-xr-x 2 root root 0 Apr 6 14:46 wmi/ So i want to know where can i download a kernel that is for mandrake, like, is there a place for downloading the kernel 2.6.11mdk (or something like that), the newest version, so i can use the WIFI also. Hope you can give me some directions Salu2 Gonzalo Avaria # ACPI (Advanced Configuration and Power Interface) Support # CONFIG_ACPI=y CONFIG_ACPI_BOOT=y CONFIG_ACPI_INTERPRETER=y CONFIG_ACPI_SLEEP=y CONFIG_ACPI_SLEEP_PROC_FS=y CONFIG_ACPI_AC=m CONFIG_ACPI_BATTERY=m CONFIG_ACPI_BUTTON=m CONFIG_ACPI_VIDEO=m CONFIG_ACPI_FAN=m CONFIG_ACPI_PROCESSOR=m CONFIG_ACPI_THERMAL=m CONFIG_ACPI_ASUS=m CONFIG_ACPI_IBM=m CONFIG_ACPI_TOSHIBA=m # CONFIG_ACPI_CUSTOM_DSDT is not set CONFIG_ACPI_CUSTOM_DSDT_INITRD=y CONFIG_ACPI_BLACKLIST_YEAR=0 # CONFIG_ACPI_DEBUG is not set CONFIG_ACPI_BUS=y CONFIG_ACPI_EC=y CONFIG_ACPI_POWER=y CONFIG_ACPI_PCI=y CONFIG_ACPI_SYSTEM=y CONFIG_X86_PM_TIMER=y CONFIG_ACPI_CONTAINER=m CONFIG_ACPI_TC1100=m That's from a 'stock' /boot/config-2.6.11-6mdkK74g. Well, OK it's not quite stock, I hand edited the .config (don't try that unless you know what you're doin. Use 'make xconfig') to enable K7 opts, and enable preempt, an more than 880MB ram support. None of the above ACPI options were changed. The =y are built in, the =m are modules (mostly for laptops). As long as I can remember, ACPI support is built into the kernel, even 2.2.x. Note CONFIG_ACPI=y There is no need to install anything or recompile Mandrake kernels to support ACPI (if the hardware truly does). Yes 2.6.11 does have better wifi support, but I only judge that from documentation and other's reports, not experience (I don't use wifi). You might try a cooker kernel and re-compile it on older systems. Get, ftp://ftp.proxad.net/pub/Distributions_Linux/Mandrake/devel/cooker/i586/media/main/kernel-source-2.6-2.6.11-6mdk.i586.rpm an don't forget to begin with 'make mrproper'. If you don't need to change the .config, then Edit Makefile, an change EXTRAVERSION = , an uncomment (enable) this line export INSTALL_PATH=/boot Im my above example, for instance I changed EXTRAVERSION to EXTRAVERSION = -6mdkK74g to denote, K7, preempt, and 1 gig ram support differences from the 'stock' .config make oldconfig make make modules_install make install Also make sure you don't have ACPI disabled. IOW's, there should be _no_ acpi statement in your boot parameters. Either lilo's append= line or in grub. Every acpi statement except =force will disable ACPI, either partially or completely. =on DNGN (does nothin, goes nowhere), ACPI is built into any Mandrake kernels as the default. If you do have a statement like acpi=ht remove it an don't forget to run 'lilo' You need not to make any changes to APM, as ACPI will overide it. You should also see extended IRQ support (above 15) with ACPI enabled. Give this a read, /usr/src/linux-2.6.11-6mdk/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] New Naming convention release cycle
On Monday 21 March 2005 12:02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just came across this (cross posted to expert) http://linuxtoday.com/it_management/2005032100826NWBZMD Ahem...annual release, naming convention utilizing year released...looking mighty MS to me... How odd that this spring release will include the latest KDE 3.3? What is up with that? I think I will be sticking with PCLinuxOS and keeping an eye on Kubuntu's polishing. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] new user
On Tuesday 15 March 2005 09:59, Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: Hi there My son is returning home to live for a few months - so thought I would add him as new user. Used 'adduser' name There was no prompt for a password so did not do anything else. On the next free line I added the password, wondering if it was needed. Then exited konosle. Attempted to logon using the new name, but simply won't do it. Any ideas? Thanks Rosemary The new user probably is there OK. You can confirm it by looking for his home directory, like this : cd /home ls then you should se a directory with the new user's name. However, you haven't set a password. To do this type (as root) : passwd [username] Now, exit your root console and type : su [username] give the new password, and you are done. The new user will get a default desktop from /etc/skel, then he can start tweaking and configuring, change his password and so on HTH Kaj Haulrich. -- *sent from a 100% Microsoft-free workstation* * http://haulrich.net * *Running Linux (Mandrake 10.1) - kernel 2.6.8* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] new user
On Tuesday 15 March 2005 09:59, Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: Hi there My son is returning home to live for a few months - so thought I would add him as new user. Used 'adduser' name There was no prompt for a password so did not do anything else. On the next free line I added the password, wondering if it was needed. Then exited konosle. Attempted to logon using the new name, but simply won't do it. Any ideas? Thanks Rosemary Yes, on the cml (as root) passwd username without the quotes. You'll be prompted for a password (twice) -- Good luck, HarM Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] new user
Add a new user: % useradd adrian Set the password for user adrian: % passwd adrian Enter new password for adrian: Confirm new password: Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: Hi there My son is returning home to live for a few months - so thought I would add him as new user. Used 'adduser' name There was no prompt for a password so did not do anything else. On the next free line I added the password, wondering if it was needed. Then exited konosle. Attempted to logon using the new name, but simply won't do it. Any ideas? Thanks Rosemary Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com -- Adrian Coman ASIC design/verification consultant mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cell: +40 745 986 106 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] new user
On Tuesday 15 Mar 2005 22:32, Kaj Haulrich wrote: On Tuesday 15 March 2005 09:59, Rosemary McGillicuddy wrote: Hi there My son is returning home to live for a few months - so thought I would add him as new user. Used 'adduser' name There was no prompt for a password so did not do anything else. On the next free line I added the password, wondering if it was needed. Then exited konosle. Attempted to logon using the new name, but simply won't do it. Any ideas? Thanks Rosemary The new user probably is there OK. You can confirm it by looking for his home directory, like this : cd /home ls then you should se a directory with the new user's name. However, you haven't set a password. To do this type (as root) : passwd [username] Now, exit your root console and type : su [username] give the new password, and you are done. The new user will get a default desktop from /etc/skel, then he can start tweaking and configuring, change his password and so on HTH Kaj Haulrich. Thanks to all who replied to this. Problem now fixed :-). Thanks Rosemary Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] New HP laptop with NTFS Partition and trying to dual boot
On Thursday 10 Mar 2005 08:38, Dennis Myers wrote: I have a new HP zv5360us laptop, NTFS partition with Windows XP on it. When I try to install Mandrake 10.1 It refuses to resize the windows partition. Am I going about this wrong. I know linux will run on it as pclinuxonline cd runs ok. I just can't get an xfs partition set up. Any ideas? TIA, Dennis M. linux user #180842 Dennis - until someone more knowledgable comes along :-) - ISTR that you have to do something with disk reorganisation (can't even remember what windows calls it) even on a nearly new disk. There is something about not letting it reorganise your files for quicker running, and that's about all I can remember, but it might be enough to get results from an archive search. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 (http://counter.li.org/) Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Mandrake at all levels Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] New HP laptop with NTFS Partition and trying to dual boot
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 19:38, Dennis Myers wrote: I have a new HP zv5360us laptop, NTFS partition with Windows XP on it. When I try to install Mandrake 10.1 It refuses to resize the windows partition. Am I going about this wrong. I know linux will run on it as pclinuxonline cd runs ok. I just can't get an xfs partition set up. Any ideas? TIA, Dennis M. linux user #180842 Mandrakes resizing is very conservative, it will not risk moving files around, which sometimes means it can't resize enough. Try http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/bootitng.html for a free trial (last time I checked) resize tool that does a more agressive job by moving files. Note also HP usually has an extra partition at the start of the disk for Windows restore, don't delete it unless you are sure you have a Windows CD you can re-install from (cause we all know that you'll have to eventually :-) John. - Forget that new hard drive, save some lives instead, donate to the Red Cross: USA: https://www.redcross.org/donate/donation-form.asp UK: https://www.donate.bt.com/bt_form_dec.htm Oz: https://www.redcross.org.au/Donations/onlineTsunamiDonations.asp NZ: https://www.banqonit.com/proxypage.aspx?boiid=205 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] New HP laptop with NTFS Partition and trying to dual boot
Dennis Myers wrote: I have a new HP zv5360us laptop, NTFS partition with Windows XP on it. When I try to install Mandrake 10.1 It refuses to resize the windows partition. Am I going about this wrong. I know linux will run on it as pclinuxonline cd runs ok. I just can't get an xfs partition set up. Any ideas? TIA, Dennis M. linux user #180842 Dennis; I have the HP ZD7000 laptop, so I have an idea of what you're going through. Your laptop should have included a set of CD's from HP which include WindowsXP. I tried setting mine up the same way you're doing, but it was a major PITA to do, and I wasn't very happy with the final results. Assuming that you don't want to have any more hassles with Windows than you're rightfully entitled to (Grin!), I'd strongly recommend that you save whatever data might be important and start from scratch. If you didn't receive the CD pack with your laptop, you should be able to burn a copy of the stored Rescue Images that are currently on the hard drive, and I would suggest you burn a copy of them a.s.a.p.! Since you don't know what might happen with the laptop down the road, it would be a smart idea to have a copy of the WindowsXP images in case your hard drive dies on you. After several attempts to get my unit working to my satisfaction, I re-partitioned my hard drive, losing Windows in the process. Starting with a fresh installation of our favourite OS, I installed Mandrake as my second OS by creating a blank partition (roughly 10GB's) as the first partition and leaving it alone, then I continued with a normal Mandrake setup. When I got to the section of the Mandrake install concerning Lilo, I had it install itself to the Master Boot Record on /hda. The / (root) partition was set to 6 GB's (ReiserFS), then came a Swap partition (about 800 MB's), and a /home partition of 2 GB's was also set as ReiserFS. Even taking into account the fact that my laptop has an 80 Gb drive, I left my Mandrake partitions that small. The remainder of the hard drive was left blank (for the time being). Many of the big PC companies (HP, Compaq, Dell, IBM, etc.) like to provide you with Quick Restore CD's or images (stored on your harddrive), but in many cases those images are specially modified images that include Windows and any third-party software that they've arranged to include. These aren't the pre-installation versions like you'd find on a retail CD. They're a post-installation version which was created by HP or whoever. In essence, they perform a full install of Windows, MS Office or MS Works, etc., on one master hard drive, then they create an image of that master install and copy it to thousands of PC's or laptops. Those Quick-Restore images are similar to a Norton Ghost image and when you use them, they're designed to use the first partition of the drive. In most cases, the first partition is actually the entire drive, so they essentially try to install themselves across that first partition. However, if your hard drive is already partitioned, they only use which ever partition is first on the drive. Getting back to my partitions, this means that the 10GB blank partition that I created at the front of the drive is the one that the Quick-Restore CD's will see, so it installs itself to that partition. Once you've finished installing Windows to that first partition, either using a Quick-Restore CD or by doing a normal install of Windows, the hard part is done. Since the restore image was originally setup using NTFS, that first partition is automatically formatted as NTFS. If your CD's include a normal (and not a Quick-Restore image) version of Windows, you'll see that the default or suggested formatting is also NTFS. Remember to leave the remaining unused space on your hard drive alone for the time being. We'll get back to that in a bit. The nice thing is that the restore or full install methods won't do anything to your Master Boot Record, since Windows detects that the Master Boot Record is already in use. Lilo is already installed there. That means that the next time you boot the laptop, Lilo will still be there, and will only show you the Mandrake-Linux option. No problem. That's exactly what should be there. Once you've booted back into Linux, start up your Mandrake Control Center (a.k.a. MCC), and add the 10Gb Windows partition by creating a mount point for it. You're not obligated to use the Mandrake default mount-point, so feel free to be creative. Just don't mount it inside the /root home folder! Now, the last partition. My HP laptop came with an 80GB drive. Since Microsoft is trying to deter people from using FAT32 partitions with WindowsXP, they've Windows so that it won't format a FAT32 partition that's larger than 32GB's. Windows still accesses FAT32 partitions or drives that are larger than 32GB's with no hassle whatsoever, but Microsoft simply changed the format limits of WinXP so that it refuses to
Re: [newbie] New HP laptop with NTFS Partition and trying to dual boot
On Thursday 10 March 2005 07:13 pm, Mr. Geek wrote: However, if your hard drive is already partitioned, they only use which ever partition is first on the drive. The nice thing is that the restore or full install methods won't do anything to your Master Boot Record, since Windows detects that the Master Boot Record is already in use. Lilo is already installed there. That means that the next time you boot the laptop, Lilo will still be there, and will only show you the Mandrake-Linux option. Yes, I experimented with my Acer TM802 too (I had to reinstall and format the drive several time cause of mistakes). Not every recovery CD will allow you to resize the partition though. In case of Acer, they allow it, so it makes thing easier. And it will not destroy the Lilo. Lol, I once wanted to send my notebook to the service center, but afraid that the guarantee would be void if they know I installed linux. No problem. That's exactly what should be there. Once you've booted back into Linux, start up your Mandrake Control Center (a.k.a. MCC), and add the 10Gb Windows partition by creating a mount point for it. You're not obligated to use the Mandrake default mount-point, so feel free to be creative. Just don't mount it inside the /root home folder! Windows will not format the remaining space as FAT32. But Mandrake will! Leave it to Linux to solve a Microsoft problem! LOL! Yes, linux is certainly very friendly :) By using Linux to format your remaining space as FAT32, you'll be able to access it from Mandrake AND from Windows without any problems. Once that's partitioned, formatted and mounted in MCC, remember to update Lilo as well. That way, Windows will be added to your boot list in Lilo. This is a good practice indeed. I have my D drive in windows as FAT32. Thanks Mr. Geek. Your explanation is crystal clear. -- Fajar Priyanto | Reg'd Linux User #327841 | http://linux2.arinet.org 22:00:30 up 57 min, Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Official) for i586 public key: https://www.arinet.org/fajar-pub.key Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] New HP laptop with NTFS Partition and trying to dual boot
Fajar Priyanto wrote: On Thursday 10 March 2005 07:13 pm, Mr. Geek wrote: However, if your hard drive is already partitioned, they only use which ever partition is first on the drive. The nice thing is that the restore or full install methods won't do anything to your Master Boot Record, since Windows detects that the Master Boot Record is already in use. Lilo is already installed there. That means that the next time you boot the laptop, Lilo will still be there, and will only show you the Mandrake-Linux option. Yes, I experimented with my Acer TM802 too (I had to reinstall and format the drive several time cause of mistakes). Not every recovery CD will allow you to resize the partition though. In case of Acer, they allow it, so it makes thing easier. And it will not destroy the Lilo. Lol, I once wanted to send my notebook to the service center, but afraid that the guarantee would be void if they know I installed linux. No problem. That's exactly what should be there. Once you've booted back into Linux, start up your Mandrake Control Center (a.k.a. MCC), and add the 10Gb Windows partition by creating a mount point for it. You're not obligated to use the Mandrake default mount-point, so feel free to be creative. Just don't mount it inside the /root home folder! Windows will not format the remaining space as FAT32. But Mandrake will! Leave it to Linux to solve a Microsoft problem! LOL! Yes, linux is certainly very friendly :) By using Linux to format your remaining space as FAT32, you'll be able to access it from Mandrake AND from Windows without any problems. Once that's partitioned, formatted and mounted in MCC, remember to update Lilo as well. That way, Windows will be added to your boot list in Lilo. This is a good practice indeed. I have my D drive in windows as FAT32. Thanks Mr. Geek. Your explanation is crystal clear. No Problema. That's what I was hoping. Good Luck! Let me know if you need more help on this. Adios! -- Mr. Geek Registered Linux User #190712 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] New HP laptop with NTFS Partition and trying to dual boot
On Thursday 10 March 2005 06:13 am, Mr. Geek wrote: Dennis Myers wrote: I have a new HP zv5360us laptop, NTFS partition with Windows XP on it. When I try to install Mandrake 10.1 It refuses to resize the windows partition. Am I going about this wrong. I know linux will run on it as pclinuxonline cd runs ok. I just can't get an xfs partition set up. Any ideas? TIA, Dennis M. linux user #180842 Dennis; I have the HP ZD7000 laptop, so I have an idea of what you're going through. Your laptop should have included a set of CD's from HP which include WindowsXP. I tried setting mine up the same way you're doing, but it was a major PITA to do, and I wasn't very happy with the final results. Assuming that you don't want to have any more hassles with Windows than you're rightfully entitled to (Grin!), I'd strongly recommend that you save whatever data might be important and start from scratch. If you didn't receive the CD pack with your laptop, you should be able to burn a copy of the stored Rescue Images that are currently on the hard drive, and I would suggest you burn a copy of them a.s.a.p.! Since you don't know what might happen with the laptop down the road, it would be a smart idea to have a copy of the WindowsXP images in case your hard drive dies on you. After several attempts to get my unit working to my satisfaction, I re-partitioned my hard drive, losing Windows in the process. Starting with a fresh installation of our favourite OS, I installed Mandrake as my second OS by creating a blank partition (roughly 10GB's) as the first partition and leaving it alone, then I continued with a normal Mandrake setup. When I got to the section of the Mandrake install concerning Lilo, I had it install itself to the Master Boot Record on /hda. The / (root) partition was set to 6 GB's (ReiserFS), then came a Swap partition (about 800 MB's), and a /home partition of 2 GB's was also set as ReiserFS. Even taking into account the fact that my laptop has an 80 Gb drive, I left my Mandrake partitions that small. The remainder of the hard drive was left blank (for the time being). Many of the big PC companies (HP, Compaq, Dell, IBM, etc.) like to provide you with Quick Restore CD's or images (stored on your harddrive), but in many cases those images are specially modified images that include Windows and any third-party software that they've arranged to include. These aren't the pre-installation versions like you'd find on a retail CD. They're a post-installation version which was created by HP or whoever. In essence, they perform a full install of Windows, MS Office or MS Works, etc., on one master hard drive, then they create an image of that master install and copy it to thousands of PC's or laptops. Those Quick-Restore images are similar to a Norton Ghost image and when you use them, they're designed to use the first partition of the drive. In most cases, the first partition is actually the entire drive, so they essentially try to install themselves across that first partition. However, if your hard drive is already partitioned, they only use which ever partition is first on the drive. Getting back to my partitions, this means that the 10GB blank partition that I created at the front of the drive is the one that the Quick-Restore CD's will see, so it installs itself to that partition. Once you've finished installing Windows to that first partition, either using a Quick-Restore CD or by doing a normal install of Windows, the hard part is done. Since the restore image was originally setup using NTFS, that first partition is automatically formatted as NTFS. If your CD's include a normal (and not a Quick-Restore image) version of Windows, you'll see that the default or suggested formatting is also NTFS. Remember to leave the remaining unused space on your hard drive alone for the time being. We'll get back to that in a bit. The nice thing is that the restore or full install methods won't do anything to your Master Boot Record, since Windows detects that the Master Boot Record is already in use. Lilo is already installed there. That means that the next time you boot the laptop, Lilo will still be there, and will only show you the Mandrake-Linux option. No problem. That's exactly what should be there. Once you've booted back into Linux, start up your Mandrake Control Center (a.k.a. MCC), and add the 10Gb Windows partition by creating a mount point for it. You're not obligated to use the Mandrake default mount-point, so feel free to be creative. Just don't mount it inside the /root home folder! Now, the last partition. My HP laptop came with an 80GB drive. Since Microsoft is trying to deter people from using FAT32 partitions with WindowsXP, they've Windows so that it won't format a FAT32 partition that's larger than 32GB's. Windows still accesses FAT32 partitions or drives that are larger than 32GB's with no hassle whatsoever,
Re: [newbie] New HP laptop with NTFS Partition and trying to dual boot
On Thursday 10 March 2005 06:13 am, Mr. Geek wrote: Dennis Myers wrote: I have a new HP zv5360us laptop, NTFS partition with Windows XP on it. When I try to install Mandrake 10.1 It refuses to resize the windows partition. Am I going about this wrong. I know linux will run on it as pclinuxonline cd runs ok. I just can't get an xfs partition set up. Any ideas? TIA, Dennis M. linux user #180842 Dennis; I have the HP ZD7000 laptop, so I have an idea of what you're going through. Your laptop should have included a set of CD's from HP which include WindowsXP. I tried setting mine up the same way you're doing, but it was a major PITA to do, and I wasn't very happy with the final results. Assuming that you don't want to have any more hassles with Windows than you're rightfully entitled to (Grin!), I'd strongly recommend that you save whatever data might be important and start from scratch. If you didn't receive the CD pack with your laptop, you should be able to burn a copy of the stored Rescue Images that are currently on the hard drive, and I would suggest you burn a copy of them a.s.a.p.! Since you don't know what might happen with the laptop down the road, it would be a smart idea to have a copy of the WindowsXP images in case your hard drive dies on you. After several attempts to get my unit working to my satisfaction, I re-partitioned my hard drive, losing Windows in the process. Starting with a fresh installation of our favourite OS, I installed Mandrake as my second OS by creating a blank partition (roughly 10GB's) as the first partition and leaving it alone, then I continued with a normal Mandrake setup. When I got to the section of the Mandrake install concerning Lilo, I had it install itself to the Master Boot Record on /hda. The / (root) partition was set to 6 GB's (ReiserFS), then came a Swap partition (about 800 MB's), and a /home partition of 2 GB's was also set as ReiserFS. Even taking into account the fact that my laptop has an 80 Gb drive, I left my Mandrake partitions that small. The remainder of the hard drive was left blank (for the time being). Many of the big PC companies (HP, Compaq, Dell, IBM, etc.) like to provide you with Quick Restore CD's or images (stored on your harddrive), but in many cases those images are specially modified images that include Windows and any third-party software that they've arranged to include. These aren't the pre-installation versions like you'd find on a retail CD. They're a post-installation version which was created by HP or whoever. In essence, they perform a full install of Windows, MS Office or MS Works, etc., on one master hard drive, then they create an image of that master install and copy it to thousands of PC's or laptops. Those Quick-Restore images are similar to a Norton Ghost image and when you use them, they're designed to use the first partition of the drive. In most cases, the first partition is actually the entire drive, so they essentially try to install themselves across that first partition. However, if your hard drive is already partitioned, they only use which ever partition is first on the drive. Getting back to my partitions, this means that the 10GB blank partition that I created at the front of the drive is the one that the Quick-Restore CD's will see, so it installs itself to that partition. Once you've finished installing Windows to that first partition, either using a Quick-Restore CD or by doing a normal install of Windows, the hard part is done. Since the restore image was originally setup using NTFS, that first partition is automatically formatted as NTFS. If your CD's include a normal (and not a Quick-Restore image) version of Windows, you'll see that the default or suggested formatting is also NTFS. Remember to leave the remaining unused space on your hard drive alone for the time being. We'll get back to that in a bit. The nice thing is that the restore or full install methods won't do anything to your Master Boot Record, since Windows detects that the Master Boot Record is already in use. Lilo is already installed there. That means that the next time you boot the laptop, Lilo will still be there, and will only show you the Mandrake-Linux option. No problem. That's exactly what should be there. Once you've booted back into Linux, start up your Mandrake Control Center (a.k.a. MCC), and add the 10Gb Windows partition by creating a mount point for it. You're not obligated to use the Mandrake default mount-point, so feel free to be creative. Just don't mount it inside the /root home folder! Now, the last partition. My HP laptop came with an 80GB drive. Since Microsoft is trying to deter people from using FAT32 partitions with WindowsXP, they've Windows so that it won't format a FAT32 partition that's larger than 32GB's. Windows still accesses FAT32 partitions or drives that are larger than 32GB's with no hassle whatsoever,
Re: [newbie] new MDK installs get to reboot in rw mode then PERMISSION DENIED
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It would appear that on Jan 18, et did say:
my guess is either you set your msec level to high, or you have /root on some
filesystem that it does not like, or you split some files or partitions
where they should not be.
on msec, standard is good for the install, don't go to paraniod until you
are
set up and then only if you are setting a server up for a bank.
try this, when lilo starts, hit esc and type in 'linux 1' when that starts,
type msec 3 then enter, then msec 2 then enter then 'reboot' then enter. that
should cure it if the problem is msec.
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= in the original post, I don't think et's message
= reached the list... So I used bounce from pine to
= put it there... If that wasn't appropriate, please
= let me know... Thanks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
When you say msec... from my working Fedora install: # which msec
doesn't find anything...
http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?String=exactAcronym=msecFind=Find
listed two likely meanings... message security, or multicast security...
Though I suspect it's more like Mandrake security And would probably
be what I thought was the firewall settings during the install process???
If so, then I definitely told the installer to use standard
I can't immediately test if I could have made linux 1 work as I already
replaced the problem install with an archived mdk 8.2 installation and
used the update install to get a bootable but very buggy MDK 10.1
instalation... But if I give up trying to get that working right I'll
try another clean install and if the problem resurfaces I'll try your
suggestion... I wish I'd have remembered to try single user mode before
I gave up on it... (Sometimes I think I suffer from CRS {Can't Remember
Shi^H^H^HStuff} grin)
As to the likelihood of your other guesses, I never let a new install
span more than one partition. If it works, I might split it up later.
I told the installer to put the whole filesystem / in /dev/hda4
If anyone can see a good reason in this fdisk output why MDK 10.1
wouldn't like / /root on /dev/hda4, please do tell...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] jtwdyp]# fdisk -l /dev/hda
Disk /dev/hda: 40.0 GB, 40020664320 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 4865 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
/dev/hda1 * 1 638 5124703+ c W95 FAT32 (LBA)
/dev/hda2 6391217 4650817+ f W95 Ext'd (LBA)
/dev/hda31218316215623212+ 83 Linux
/dev/hda43163486513679347+ 83 Linux
/dev/hda5 6391021 3076416b W95 FAT32
/dev/hda610221148 1020096 83 Linux
/dev/hda711491217 554211 82 Linux swap
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Re: [newbie] new MDK installs get to reboot in rw mode then PERMISSION DENIED
On Monday 24 January 2005 02:01 pm, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote:
It would appear that on Jan 18, et did say:
my guess is either you set your msec level to high, or you have /root on
some filesystem that it does not like, or you split some files or
partitions where they should not be.
on msec, standard is good for the install, don't go to paraniod until
you are set up and then only if you are setting a server up for a bank.
try this, when lilo starts, hit esc and type in 'linux 1' when that
starts, type msec 3 then enter, then msec 2 then enter then 'reboot' then
enter. that should cure it if the problem is msec.
= Note: due to MY error in forgetting to zap my Reply-To:
= in the original post, I don't think et's message
= reached the list... So I used bounce from pine to
= put it there... If that wasn't appropriate, please
= let me know... Thanks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
sure does not bother _me_
When you say msec... from my working Fedora install: # which msec
doesn't find anything...
from man msec:
It is msec - Mandrake security tools
http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?String=exactAcronym=msecFind=Fi
nd listed two likely meanings... message security, or multicast
security... Though I suspect it's more like Mandrake security And would
probably be what I thought was the firewall settings during the install
process???
not firewall, but a script that runs as a cron job to make sure no permissions
are changed on files where they should not be, among other things...
If so, then I definitely told the installer to use standard
hopefully the standard was msec, did you happen to see the opther options, was
one paranoid
I can't immediately test if I could have made linux 1 work as I already
replaced the problem install with an archived mdk 8.2 installation and
used the update install to get a bootable but very buggy MDK 10.1
instalation... But if I give up trying to get that working right I'll
try another clean install and if the problem resurfaces I'll try your
suggestion... I wish I'd have remembered to try single user mode before
I gave up on it... (Sometimes I think I suffer from CRS {Can't Remember
Shi^H^H^HStuff} grin)
As to the likelihood of your other guesses, I never let a new install
span more than one partition. If it works, I might split it up later.
I told the installer to put the whole filesystem / in /dev/hda4
If anyone can see a good reason in this fdisk output why MDK 10.1
wouldn't like / /root on /dev/hda4, please do tell...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] jtwdyp]# fdisk -l /dev/hda
Disk /dev/hda: 40.0 GB, 40020664320 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 4865 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
/dev/hda1 * 1 638 5124703+ c W95 FAT32 (LBA)
/dev/hda2 6391217 4650817+ f W95 Ext'd (LBA)
/dev/hda31218316215623212+ 83 Linux
/dev/hda43163486513679347+ 83 Linux
/dev/hda5 6391021 3076416b W95 FAT32
/dev/hda610221148 1020096 83 Linux
/dev/hda711491217 554211 82 Linux swap
[EMAIL PROTECTED] jtwdyp]#
how about 'df'?
and 'cat /etc/fstab'?
and 'cat /etc/mtab'
while we are asking for more info...
did you say this was on a box with other linux installs?
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RE: [newbie] New ATI Drivers Released
I see on ATI web site that the driver they released is for Xorg 6.8. Mandrake 10.1 ships with Xorg 6.7. Is it still possible to install this driver on a stock (with updates) Mandrake 10.1 or should I upgrade Xorg? If I need to upgrade Xorg, where can I find the needed rpm files? Albert Charron -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Layt Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 3:17 AM To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com Subject: [newbie] New ATI Drivers Released As just seen on Slashdot, ATI yesterday released some new drivers for XOrg and XFree: http://www.ati.com/support/drivers/linux/radeon-linux.html?type=linuxpr odType=graphicprod=productsLINUXdriversubmit.x=2submit.y=6submit=GO! Hope this helps those of you with XOrg/ATI problems :-) John (NVidia Fanboy) - Forget that new hard drive, save some lives instead, donate to the Red Cross: USA: https://www.redcross.org/donate/donation-form.asp UK: https://www.donate.bt.com/bt_form_dec.htm Oz: https://www.redcross.org.au/Donations/onlineTsunamiDonations.asp NZ: https://www.banqonit.com/proxypage.aspx?boiid=205 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] New ATI Drivers Released
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 01:33, Albert Charron wrote: I see on ATI web site that the driver they released is for Xorg 6.8. Mandrake 10.1 ships with Xorg 6.7. Is it still possible to install this driver on a stock (with updates) Mandrake 10.1 or should I upgrade Xorg? If I need to upgrade Xorg, where can I find the needed rpm files? Albert Charron Yeah, I probably wouldn't try them with 6.7. The 6.8 upgrade came with the PowerPack, or is available from Thac at: http://rpm.nyvalls.se/graphics10.1.html Been rock solid for me here with NVidia drivers, but the ATI users may have other thoughts on the issue. John. - Forget that new hard drive, save some lives instead, donate to the Red Cross: USA: https://www.redcross.org/donate/donation-form.asp UK: https://www.donate.bt.com/bt_form_dec.htm Oz: https://www.redcross.org.au/Donations/onlineTsunamiDonations.asp NZ: https://www.banqonit.com/proxypage.aspx?boiid=205 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] New Computer
On Sat, 2004-12-18 at 05:04, Kenneth wrote: paul wrote: Does anyone have any experience with the specic HP model mentioned above, or have any comments about the Linux compatibilty of the HP mass market computers? I'd imagine that they're fairly low-end because the XP user need higher spec - saw an email yesterday from a guy who's running linux on a 386 laptop. probably not using a GUI, though. 8-) Looked at the HP site specs of the Pavilion, and the only thing you might have a problem with is the modem, apart from that there's nothing I would worry about. http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatibility.html gives compatability on individual items, but not systems. HP sell business machines servers with linux installed so it might be worthwhile emailing their support. Thanks for the reply, Paul. I think your right - the modem will probably be useless for Linux, but I do have DSL and a Westel modem I can use. The HP system has 10/100 ethernet. Which is what I have now. Not sure what that means though. Nead to read up on it. Thanks again, The connection you have now will be a 10/100 ethernet - unless the Westel modem is USB (in which case even if you stick with windows stick it in a bin and get a proper one). -- prm -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] New Computer
I can use. The HP system has 10/100 ethernet. Which is what I have now. Not sure what that means though. Nead to read up on it. 10/100 Ethernet means that the card will automaticall sense and switch to the speed of the ethernet signal that comes in. So that will be 10Mbit or 100Mbit. Paul (another one) -- The best diplomat I know is a fully activated phaser bank. - Scotty http://www.nlpagan.net/linux.php Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] New Computer
On Fri, 2004-12-17 at 20:50, Kenneth wrote: I am thinking about buying a new computer and I want to make sure I get one that is highly Linux compatible. The only dedicated Linux computers I see for sale are usually failry low end or comparatively expensive workstations. This model HP from Best Buy costs about about $650 with 512MB PC2700 DDR SDRAM, 160GB hard drive and just about everything but the kitchen sink. Hewlett-Packard Pavilion Desktop with AMD Athlon XP Processor 3000+ Model: a706n A dedicated Linux workstation from LAC computers with an AMD Athlon XP 2600 Processor has 512MB PC3200 DDR SDRAM and a 120GB drive, a Radion 92000 Graphics Card, ( which I already have )DVD/CD RW and practically nothing else. With shipping this will cost me close to $1000.00. In short, to buy a quality dedicated Linux machine, I will have to pay at about $350.00 dollars more!!! If the HP mass market models have decent motherboards (chipsets compatible with the Linux 2.6 kernal), the choice is a no brainer as I am just a recreational computer user who does a little hobby programing. Does anyone have any experience with the specic HP model mentioned above, or have any comments about the Linux compatibilty of the HP mass market computers? I'd imagine that they're fairly low-end because the XP user need higher spec - saw an email yesterday from a guy who's running linux on a 386 laptop. probably not using a GUI, though. 8-) Looked at the HP site specs of the Pavilion, and the only thing you might have a problem with is the modem, apart from that there's nothing I would worry about. http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatibility.html gives compatability on individual items, but not systems. HP sell business machines servers with linux installed so it might be worthwhile emailing their support. -- prm -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] New Computer
paul wrote: Does anyone have any experience with the specic HP model mentioned above, or have any comments about the Linux compatibilty of the HP mass market computers? I'd imagine that they're fairly low-end because the XP user need higher spec - saw an email yesterday from a guy who's running linux on a 386 laptop. probably not using a GUI, though. 8-) Looked at the HP site specs of the Pavilion, and the only thing you might have a problem with is the modem, apart from that there's nothing I would worry about. http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatibility.html gives compatability on individual items, but not systems. HP sell business machines servers with linux installed so it might be worthwhile emailing their support. Thanks for the reply, Paul. I think your right - the modem will probably be useless for Linux, but I do have DSL and a Westel modem I can use. The HP system has 10/100 ethernet. Which is what I have now. Not sure what that means though. Nead to read up on it. Thanks again, -- Kenneth Rhodes 100% MicroSoft Free Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] New installation KDE is broken
On Sunday 30 May 2004 09:30 am, Q.H. Wang wrote: During my attempts to install MDK 10.0, I also got some X hang up by choosing some wrong graphic card (Raedon). I then found itis fine by selecting Raedon 7500. I also got some ( maybe one or two tenth of my bootings) blue screen during bootup when I set my monitor as generic flat panel 1024*768. It's solved later by setting right monitor. Sorry if these are not helpful. Thanks to all that replyed. You folks were correct it was a video card problem, Marc -- Composed on a 100% Microsoft and Windows free computer using Mandrake Linux 10.0 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] New Spam Solution on the way
On Thursday 08 July 2004 18:04, Bryan Phinney wrote: For anyone that owns their own domain and runs their own Mail server. Have you ever been the victim of a joe-job where some slimy spambucket forges your domain name in his from during a spam run and you suddenly get inundated with complaints and bounces? Ever asked if anything could be done about that and been told no? Well, pretty soon you will be able to do something about it. Sender Policy Framework is currently being pushed and adopted by a lot of big name ISP's. The way it works is, as the domain owner, you publish a txt record in your DNS that identifies the authorized mail servers for your domain. At the recipient mail server level, they do a lookup on the domain in the From and match it with the Client IP address. If it doesn't match an authorized mail server from the SPF record, they know the mail is not legit and dump it. If you are interested, find details at http://spf.pobox.com. BTW, I have implemented this on my box, very easy, took about 10 minutes and it is working like a champ. Once this starts to spread, we may very well see a huge reduction in spam. Thanks for the info and good luck it sounds like something that needed to be done. -- Regards; Hoyt Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] New drive install
Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Sat, 2004-07-17 at 10:49, Andrewd wrote: Is there anywhere on the web that someone could point me to for installing new HD. Current set up 1 HD 8g Windoz ME 12g Mandrake 10 want to install a second hd (80gig) and put Mandrake on it. Basically using this for music and vid editing Thanx Andrew D Just install it as a secondary HD; then run the MDK installation again to put MDK on that drive...what's hard about that? stephen kuhn - proprietor The 'hard part' is remembering to make the second hard drive a 'slave' by position the jumper correctly before you physically install it. Regards Frank Big or small, a challenge requires the same commitment to resolve. Registered Linux User # 324213 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] new monitor, starting X causes no signal
On Friday 16 July 2004 09:54 pm, Christopher J. Bottaro wrote: btw, i'm the one who started that thread switching from fedora core, need advice. decided to give mandrake a try. i have to admit urpmi is pretty nice...=) fonts look different than fedora, but thats just something i'll get used to. 3 programs crashed within an hour of using it, but ehh...what ya gunna do? anyways, on to my problem... i took my computer to work, plugged it into a monitor from work, keyboard, mouse, network, etc. installed mandrake 10.0 (loved the partitioner installer btw) without a hitch. i played around with it some, everything was fine. so i take my computer home, plug it into my monitor, keyboard, mouse, etc. start it up, everything is fine. then i try to start X and the screen goes blank, the monitor loses signal and goes into standby mode. ok, the XF86Config file is still set for my work monitor. i'll just use XFDrake to reconfigure it. well i did and chose my home monitor. still doesn't work. any ideas? thanks! Punish yourself first. g Put the first install disk in the drive, go through the steps except upgrade rather than install, you'll still get a summary screen and it'll take less time to accomplish than any other method would to explain. Seriously though; if you do actually do a fake upgrade you'll reset all the devices that are plaguing you, plus you'll learn which Mandrake tools to use to correct future woopsies. *All* the Mandrake tools. XFdrake was the correct tool, something doesn't seem right if that didn't work. Welcome, and good luck! Charlie -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User #244963 at http://counter.li.org Mandrake Linux release 10.0 (Official) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-15mdk 22:45:40 up 2:43, 0 users, load average: 0.04, 0.17, 0.16 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] New box No Joy
On Friday 18 June 2004 05:27 pm, Hoyt Bailey wrote: On Friday 18 June 2004 16:47, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Friday 18 June 2004 05:12 pm, Hoyt Bailey wrote: -My apologizes I was consumed with an excessive fatheadness. I ment 105F -when my amd 2100 gets there it becomes unstable. Gotcha. Thats about on par with what I see here as well. I should have recognized that you meant F instead of C, so I'm sorry about that too. I just kept getting this mental image of my CPU at 105C...(meltdown!). Nah just the plastic case. Silicon melts @ a much higher temp. Oh well I'll get a new mbo Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] New box No Joy
On Friday 18 June 2004 06:00 pm, Hoyt Bailey wrote: On Friday 18 June 2004 18:47, Tom Brinkman wrote: On Friday 18 June 2004 04:47 pm, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Friday 18 June 2004 05:12 pm, Hoyt Bailey wrote: -My apologizes I was consumed with an excessive fatheadness. I ment 105F -when my amd 2100 gets there it becomes unstable. Gotcha. Thats about on par with what I see here as well. I should have recognized that you meant F instead of C, so I'm sorry about that too. I just kept getting this mental image of my CPU at 105C...(meltdown!). :-) 105C to 110C _internal_core_temp_ is the AMD spec'd failure temp. Read that as 'fried forever'. Bios temps aren't very useful. The system has just booted an is under low load. As Ron mentioned earlier, and AMD docs support (overclockers have long known), the actual core temp is 10C to 20C hotter than the temp you see in bios or from lm_sensors. It is afterall, an external contact temp from a probe. 45 to 55C for current XP's is normal. Just keep in mind the actual internal core temp is closer to 60 to 75C. If you see less than 40C from a probe, the report is bogus unless you're usin a water cooler. Case coolin IME is more important than fancy dan cpu coolers. Also run fans at 100%, forget the variable speed gimmicks. Use of thermal grease rather than pads is mandatory. I've seen Volcano's mentioned in this thread. I favor them (Volcano 11+, 4800rpm big fan) because they're easy to keep clean. Avoid coolers that have many close together vanes. They're impossible to keep clean, tho they work just as well when new. Hoyt, 122F = 50C, so your processor should not be unstable at temps of 105F. If the readings are accurate, it probly means you've enabled slowin the fans down when the cpu isn't under load. The fallacy there is that cpu core temp and load can spike up instantly heatsinks by the nature of their mass, take a long time to cool to respond. On most laptops this is a necessary evil. Don't do it with a desktop, certainly not with a server. One more thing. cpu's that have been run hot ... don't heal. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Proud to be an American Thanks for the info. I dont have any control over the fan speed and the reason I know as much as I do is that the cpu fan quit high speed a few days before the warrenty expired. The bios is all I have for fan and temp info. I didnt realize the importance of temp sensors when I bought the system, since I didnt plan on overclocking I assumed that I would not need the sensor system. So would underclocking it be an option? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] New box No Joy
Aron Smith wrote: On Friday 18 June 2004 05:27 pm, Hoyt Bailey wrote: On Friday 18 June 2004 16:47, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Friday 18 June 2004 05:12 pm, Hoyt Bailey wrote: -My apologizes I was consumed with an excessive fatheadness. I ment 105F -when my amd 2100 gets there it becomes unstable. Gotcha. Thats about on par with what I see here as well. I should have recognized that you meant F instead of C, so I'm sorry about that too. I just kept getting this mental image of my CPU at 105C...(meltdown!). Nah just the plastic case. Silicon melts @ a much higher temp. Oh well I'll get a new mbo Pardon me for sticking my nose in here, but I'm wondering if you've been using the thermal paste which comes with the CPU or if you've been using Arctic Silver ? The standard white thermal paste is fine for AMD CPU's for about 30 minutes, but useless after that. If your core temp is significantly higher than what you're seeing from the BIOS, then it seems that the heat is not being dissipated or transferred to the heat sink on the cooler. Tom is 100% right about variable coolers. I'm running a Thermaltake Xaser III with dual Athlon MP CPU's on a Tyan server board, but since Day 1 the fan throttles have been cranked to the max. Nice thing about the ThermalTake is that it comes with a sensor than mounts between the CPU and the socket and the results are sent to a digital sensing system, so the temps are pretty accurate, and those temps start to scream skyward as soon as the throttles are turned down on my fans. There are a lot of aspects related to keeping a CPU cool, and one of these is ambient temperatures in the case. If the inside of your case doesn't receive cooler external air, your heatsinks can't dissipate as much heat as a cooler case would allow. Also, following this line of thought, many DIY'ers and even experienced technicians don't make a point of installing auxiliary fans properly. The idea is to create a controlled flow of air into and out of the case, so that the hardware is essentially in the path of that airflow. If your aux cooling fans are all blowing air into the case, you're going to have problems. Unfortunately, there are a lot of aspects related to cooling computers and CPU's, and a lot of it is trial and error. many PC stores don't allow their technicans to test airflow, so systems can already be compromised before they leave the store. Considering the extremely low price of cooling fans, and the easy installation of those fans, it seems kind of silly not to look at that while solving overtemp problems or having a new system designed. All the warm or hot air in a PC case needs to be dealt with, otherwise no amount of tweaking will help in the long run. Even if you can drop the temp of your CPU by 10 or 15 degrees, it won't help much when that SATA or ATA133 hard drive dies from too much heat. I have to say that while cases have certainly gotten cheaper, many haven't gotten better. The only way to be sure is either to stuff your case with as many fans as the case can hold and the PSU can handle, or to buy one really great case which includes the intelligent placement of fans. For instance, Antec cases come with either a bunch of fans in all the right places (included fans installed right in front of the hard drives!), or a few big honkin' fans that make Hoover jealous! Thermaltake is the same when it comes to heat and cooling the case. A lot of the techs I know used to make a big deal about how hot AMD CPU's can get and in fact have been turned off about AMD because they've had too many CPU failures and burnouts. I've never had that problem, but then again, I always pay attention to cooling, and I never overclock. Lanman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] New box No Joy
On Saturday 19 June 2004 02:04, Aron Smith wrote: 105C to 110C _internal_core_temp_ is the AMD spec'd failure temp. Read that as 'fried forever'. Bios temps aren't very useful. The system has just booted an is under low load. As Ron mentioned earlier, and AMD docs support (overclockers have long known), the actual core temp is 10C to 20C hotter than the temp you see in bios or from lm_sensors. It is afterall, an external contact temp from a probe. 45 to 55C for current XP's is normal. Just keep in mind the actual internal core temp is closer to 60 to 75C. If you see less than 40C from a probe, the report is bogus unless you're usin a water cooler. Thanks for the info. I dont have any control over the fan speed and the reason I know as much as I do is that the cpu fan quit high speed a few days before the warrenty expired. The bios is all I have for fan and temp info. I didnt realize the importance of temp sensors when I bought the system, since I didnt plan on overclocking I assumed that I would not need the sensor system. So would underclocking it be an option? Murphy likely would have something to say about that but do you ever remember a 1meg cpu running hot? -- Regards; Hoyt Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] New box No Joy
On Friday 18 June 2004 21:59, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Friday 18 June 2004 10:31 pm, Hoyt Bailey wrote: -I did install lm-sensors and when I tried to use the program I was -informed that it could not find a chip. So I uninstalled it. I wasnt -too supprised since when I bought the system the sensor system was an -option which I declined. So all I have is bios data. Hoyt, don't let that fool ya - it reported several types/chips not found on my Soyo Dragon Plus MB - but still worked fine on finding my CPU temp and main fan RPM speed. Just follow the directions it offers as it does its magic. You might have to let it examine the ISA stuff as well - I did. Perhaps I was too hasty. Maybe I'll look at it again when I finish clearing the deadwood. -- Regards; Hoyt Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] New box No Joy
On Friday 18 June 2004 21:37, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: Hoyt Bailey wrote: I did install lm-sensors and when I tried to use the program I was informed that it could not find a chip. So I uninstalled it. I wasnt too supprised since when I bought the system the sensor system was an option which I declined. So all I have is bios data. If you can get the datawhen running the BIOS, you should be able to get it when running Linux. If the BIOS data is valid, you do have the sensors. It sounds like lm-sensors may not have been configured correctly. Or your sensors are not supported... Mikkel Its up for trying again. -- Regards; Hoyt Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] New box No Joy
On Saturday 19 June 2004 04:09, Lanman wrote: Pardon me for sticking my nose in here, but I'm wondering if you've been using the thermal paste which comes with the CPU or if you've been using Arctic Silver ? The standard white thermal paste is fine for AMD CPU's for about 30 minutes, but useless after that. If your core temp is significantly higher than what you're seeing from the BIOS, then it seems that the heat is not being dissipated or transferred to the heat sink on the cooler. Tom is 100% right about variable coolers. I'm running a Thermaltake Xaser III with dual Athlon MP CPU's on a Tyan server board, but since Day 1 the fan throttles have been cranked to the max. Nice thing about the ThermalTake is that it comes with a sensor than mounts between the CPU and the socket and the results are sent to a digital sensing system, so the temps are pretty accurate, and those temps start to scream skyward as soon as the throttles are turned down on my fans. There are a lot of aspects related to keeping a CPU cool, and one of these is ambient temperatures in the case. If the inside of your case doesn't receive cooler external air, your heatsinks can't dissipate as much heat as a cooler case would allow. Also, following this line of thought, many DIY'ers and even experienced technicians don't make a point of installing auxiliary fans properly. The idea is to create a controlled flow of air into and out of the case, so that the hardware is essentially in the path of that airflow. If your aux cooling fans are all blowing air into the case, you're going to have problems. Unfortunately, there are a lot of aspects related to cooling computers and CPU's, and a lot of it is trial and error. many PC stores don't allow their technicans to test airflow, so systems can already be compromised before they leave the store. Considering the extremely low price of cooling fans, and the easy installation of those fans, it seems kind of silly not to look at that while solving overtemp problems or having a new system designed. All the warm or hot air in a PC case needs to be dealt with, otherwise no amount of tweaking will help in the long run. Even if you can drop the temp of your CPU by 10 or 15 degrees, it won't help much when that SATA or ATA133 hard drive dies from too much heat. I have to say that while cases have certainly gotten cheaper, many haven't gotten better. The only way to be sure is either to stuff your case with as many fans as the case can hold and the PSU can handle, or to buy one really great case which includes the intelligent placement of fans. For instance, Antec cases come with either a bunch of fans in all the right places (included fans installed right in front of the hard drives!), or a few big honkin' fans that make Hoover jealous! Thermaltake is the same when it comes to heat and cooling the case. A lot of the techs I know used to make a big deal about how hot AMD CPU's can get and in fact have been turned off about AMD because they've had too many CPU failures and burnouts. I've never had that problem, but then again, I always pay attention to cooling, and I never overclock. Lanman The problem has shown its face this year and only when the outside air temp is 85 or higher. Last year I had no problem. When the cpu fan lost the high speed it was replaced with a different model which I supposed was *New* or *Upgraded*. Anyway it dosent work as well. I did shave about 3 deg by removing the offside panel so there is plenty of room for air to get out. Now I shutdown if room air goes above 85 since it is getting time for outside to go above 95 the air conditioning will have to be on so that problem should be solved. My case has 6 fans 3 in and 1 out, 1 cpu 1 for mobo chip. Liquid cooling is sounding better all the time. -- Regards; Hoyt Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] New box No Joy
On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 05:09:29 -0400 Lanman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For instance, Antec cases come with either a bunch of fans in all the right places (included fans installed right in front of the hard I do like my case - blue special from Central Computer. This (1000 mhz) box is over three years old now, has never had a heating problem, thanks in part to the couple of large case fans it's got. Lanman -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] New box No Joy
On Saturday 19 June 2004 10:00 am, David E. Fox wrote: On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 04:16:05 -0500 Hoyt Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Murphy likely would have something to say about that but do you ever remember a 1meg cpu running hot? Funny, my first X86 box I had (1985), a Compustar XT Fry's special, used to run really hot, especially in the summertime. Originally it only had a 8088 running at 4.77 mhz, but it got really really hot in the summertime still -- and worse when I plugged in one of those XT/286 accelerator cards a few years later. Probably it wasn't just the CPU running hot, since there were a number of expansion cards, and back in those days, they were mostly full-length cards with lots of components. Remember Static RAM ? That stuff ran hot. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] New box No Joy
On Fri, 2004-06-18 at 16:01, Aron Smith wrote: Putting a new Box togeather having trouble installing Mandrake machine is setup to boot from CD drive (DVD rom CD-RW combo) trouble is system cannot find the drive any suggestions? Board is a Jetway V4MDM/V4MDMP RAM 512 Mb HDa 120G. samsung trying to install Mdk-10 Send it to me, I'll install it. :P stephen kuhn - proprietor == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com mobile: 0410.728.389 -- Mandrake Linux release 9.1 (Bamboo) for i586 -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- Certified virus-free since we don't use Microsoft products It has long been an axiom of mine that the little things are infinitely the most important. -- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, A Case of Identity Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] New box No Joy
Aron Smith wrote: Putting a new Box togeather having trouble installing Mandrake machine is setup to boot from CD drive (DVD rom CD-RW combo) trouble is system cannot find the drive any suggestions? Board is a Jetway V4MDM/V4MDMP RAM 512 Mb HDa 120G. samsung trying to install Mdk-10 Aron; Your post says that the system is not detecting the CD Drive? Do you mean that the CD drive isn't found by the motherboard or by the O/S? I just want to be sure I understood you correctly. If the drive isn't being detected by the motherboard, try the following; 1) Find the jumper on the motherboard to reset the CMOS and follow Jetway's instructions on resetting it. Make sure that AC power and the onboard battery are both removed when you do. 2) Make sure that you're using an 80 pin cable on the DVD drive. 3) Make sure that you have correctly set the Master/Slave jumpers on any other drives as well as the DVD drive. 4) Make sure that you connected power from your PSU to the DVD drive. 5) Try switching IDE cables with other ones that you know are in good shape. 6) Disconnect all other drives on the system, and try connecting only the DVD drive to both the Primary and Secondary IDE interfaces on the motherboard. 7) If none of this works, try any other Optical drive (CD, CDRW, etc.) on this system board, in case the interfaces or BIOS are defective. 8) Try connecting the DVD drive to another system temporarily to see if it's detected or not - paying attention to Master/Slave jumpers on this other PC as well. If necessary, disconnect all other drives from this system while testing the DVD drive, just to make sure that you don't have a conflict. Remember that the system doesn't need to boot into the OS to see if the drive is detected or not. 9) Replace the motherboard if no other drives or IDE cables do the trick, and re-run these tests. HTH Lanman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] New box No Joy
On Friday 18 June 2004 01:06 am, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Fri, 2004-06-18 at 16:01, Aron Smith wrote: Putting a new Box togeather having trouble installing Mandrake machine is setup to boot from CD drive (DVD rom CD-RW combo) trouble is system cannot find the drive any suggestions? Board is a Jetway V4MDM/V4MDMP RAM 512 Mb HDa 120G. samsung trying to install Mdk-10 Send it to me, I'll install it. :P I've gotten it to see the HD (bad cable) now the luck of the draw there ain't no 24 hour cable store here Btw how hot is normal? CPU temp is 69C Ambreient temp 18 C stephen kuhn - proprietor == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com mobile: 0410.728.389 -- Mandrake Linux release 9.1 (Bamboo) for i586 -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- Certified virus-free since we don't use Microsoft products It has long been an axiom of mine that the little things are infinitely the most important. -- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, A Case of Identity Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] New box No Joy
On Friday 18 June 2004 01:41 am, Lanman wrote: Aron Smith wrote: Putting a new Box togeather having trouble installing Mandrake machine is setup to boot from CD drive (DVD rom CD-RW combo) trouble is system cannot find the drive any suggestions? Board is a Jetway V4MDM/V4MDMP RAM 512 Mb HDa 120G. samsung trying to install Mdk-10 Aron; Your post says that the system is not detecting the CD Drive? Do you mean that the CD drive isn't found by the motherboard or by the O/S? I just want to be sure I understood you correctly. If the drive isn't being detected by the motherboard, try the following; 1) Find the jumper on the motherboard to reset the CMOS and follow Jetway's instructions on resetting it. Make sure that AC power and the onboard battery are both removed when you do. 2) Make sure that you're using an 80 pin cable on the DVD drive. 3) Make sure that you have correctly set the Master/Slave jumpers on any other drives as well as the DVD drive. 4) Make sure that you connected power from your PSU to the DVD drive. 5) Try switching IDE cables with other ones that you know are in good shape. 6) Disconnect all other drives on the system, and try connecting only the DVD drive to both the Primary and Secondary IDE interfaces on the motherboard. 7) If none of this works, try any other Optical drive (CD, CDRW, etc.) on this system board, in case the interfaces or BIOS are defective. 8) Try connecting the DVD drive to another system temporarily to see if it's detected or not - paying attention to Master/Slave jumpers on this other PC as well. If necessary, disconnect all other drives from this system while testing the DVD drive, just to make sure that you don't have a conflict. Remember that the system doesn't need to boot into the OS to see if the drive is detected or not. 9) Replace the motherboard if no other drives or IDE cables do the trick, and re-run these tests. Oh joy after I get the fence painted Friday ;-D Thanks I want to take a swing at a n Athelon 64 next. HTH Lanman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] New box No Joy
Aron Smith wrote: On Friday 18 June 2004 01:41 am, Lanman wrote: Replace the motherboard if no other drives or IDE cables do the trick, and re-run these tests. Oh joy after I get the fence painted Friday ;-D Thanks I want to take a swing at a n Athelon 64 next. HTH Lanman Aron; See? You needed a reason to upgrade and now you have one! Grin! Hope your wife doesn't know you too well! Lanman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] New box No Joy
On Friday 18 June 2004 08:20 am, Aron Smith wrote: -I've gotten it to see the HD (bad cable) now the luck of the draw there ain't -no 24 hour cable store here Btw how hot is normal? CPU temp is 69C Ambreient -temp 18 C Ouch! That sure sounds hot to me. My current CPU temp is: 36C. Are you getting that figure from BIOS or from lm-sensors/Gkrellm? (or some other app like that?). I'd be suspicious of the settings, if not, then that sounds dangerously hot to me. -- /\ Dark Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] New box No Joy
On Friday 18 June 2004 05:57 am, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Friday 18 June 2004 08:20 am, Aron Smith wrote: -I've gotten it to see the HD (bad cable) now the luck of the draw there ain't -no 24 hour cable store here Btw how hot is normal? CPU temp is 69C Ambreient -temp 18 C Ouch! That sure sounds hot to me. My current CPU temp is: 36C. Are you getting that figure from BIOS or from lm-sensors/Gkrellm? (or some other app like that?). I'd be suspicious of the settings, if not, then that sounds dangerously hot to me. I'm getting it it from the BIOS Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] New box No Joy
On Friday 18 June 2004 05:44 am, Lanman wrote: Aron Smith wrote: On Friday 18 June 2004 01:41 am, Lanman wrote: Replace the motherboard if no other drives or IDE cables do the trick, and re-run these tests. Oh joy after I get the fence painted Friday ;-D Thanks I want to take a swing at a n Athelon 64 next. HTH Lanman Aron; See? You needed a reason to upgrade and now you have one! Grin! Hope your wife doesn't know you too well! Wife ran me off 20 years ago This is a new motherboard IDE 0 seems to be the problem new cables as soon as Fry's opens Lanman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] New box No Joy
On Friday 18 June 2004 09:13 am, Aron Smith wrote: -I'm getting it it from the BIOS Hmm. I'd talk to Tom (Brinkman) about this - he's more of an authority than I am but that just sounds too hot. -- /\ Dark Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] New box No Joy
On Fri, 2004-06-18 at 22:20, Aron Smith wrote: On Friday 18 June 2004 01:06 am, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Fri, 2004-06-18 at 16:01, Aron Smith wrote: Putting a new Box togeather having trouble installing Mandrake machine is setup to boot from CD drive (DVD rom CD-RW combo) trouble is system cannot find the drive any suggestions? Board is a Jetway V4MDM/V4MDMP RAM 512 Mb HDa 120G. samsung trying to install Mdk-10 Send it to me, I'll install it. :P I've gotten it to see the HD (bad cable) now the luck of the draw there ain't no 24 hour cable store here Btw how hot is normal? CPU temp is 69C Ambreient temp 18 C 69c is rather, er, frag-it, it's damn hot...better git yerself a nice copper Thermaltake Volcano to bring it down to manageable temps - more like between 46c-54c for best operation, matey. stephen kuhn - proprietor == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com mobile: 0410.728.389 -- Mandrake Linux release 9.1 (Bamboo) for i586 -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- Certified virus-free since we don't use Microsoft products Ma Bell is a mean mother! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] New box No Joy
Wife ran me off 20 years ago This is a new motherboard IDE 0 seems to be the problem new cables as soon as Fry's opens Lanman I had that same problem with a ECS, Elite Group MOBO that I am using now. I Tried switching cables but that did not help a bit. After resetting the BIOS several times and switching cables several times I finnially found that IDE 0 would not detect a HDD but would detect a CD or DVD just fine. IDE 1 was able to detect any drive that I put on it. Solution I just ended up using IDE 1 for the HDD and everything worked fine. About 6 months ago I had to replace the CD burner and while I( had the box open I thought that I would get to the bottom of the problem once in for all. Again after replaceing cables , changing jumpers on the HDD changing drive positions from the end of the cable to the center of the cable and anything else that I could think of I still had the same results IDE 0 WILL NOT detect a HDD but detects any CD or DVD just fine. I even tried switching brands of hard drives. I am still running the machine with the HDD on IDE 1 instead of IDE0 and all is still working fine. I can't understand how this is possible but never the less that is what is happening. This may or may not apply to the MOBO that you are using but it is worth a try. Marc KM5KW -- Composed on a 100% Microsoft and Windows free computer using Mandrake Linux 10.0 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] New box No Joy
On Friday 18 June 2004 07:20, Aron Smith wrote: On Friday 18 June 2004 01:06 am, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Fri, 2004-06-18 at 16:01, Aron Smith wrote: Putting a new Box togeather having trouble installing Mandrake machine is setup to boot from CD drive (DVD rom CD-RW combo) trouble is system cannot find the drive any suggestions? Board is a Jetway V4MDM/V4MDMP RAM 512 Mb HDa 120G. samsung trying to install Mdk-10 Send it to me, I'll install it. :P I've gotten it to see the HD (bad cable) now the luck of the draw there ain't no 24 hour cable store here Btw how hot is normal? CPU temp is 69C Ambreient temp 18 C stephen kuhn - proprietor == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com mobile: 0410.728.389 -- Mandrake Linux release 9.1 (Bamboo) for i586 -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- Certified virus-free since we don't use Microsoft products It has long been an axiom of mine that the little things are infinitely the most important. -- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, A Case of Identity keep it as far below 105C as you can. -- Regards; Hoyt Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] New box No Joy
On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 10:56:36 -0500 Hoyt Bailey disseminated the following: keep it as far below 105C as you can. Man, between you and Smitty we got some serious snipping issues here ;-) -- JoeHill RLU #282046 / www.orderinchaos.org 13:30:45 up 18:53, 6 users, load average: 1.52, 1.42, 1.33 +++ 92 per cent of Iraqis regard US troops as occupiers, while 2 per cent see them as liberators, according to a Coalition Provisional Authority poll. -- Financial Times, June 17 2004 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] New box No Joy
On Friday 18 June 2004 11:56 am, Hoyt Bailey wrote: -keep it as far below 105C as you can. Hoyt, are you sure about that? If my Athlon 2100 gets to 55C it starts getting flakey, and at 60C and above it will spontaneously reboot and/or crash. My sons Duron at 1.3 will run at about 50C much more stable but still... 105C? I mean I know you're saying keep it as far below that as possible but seems like a dangerous number to start out at. I would say keep it as far below 50C as you can. Extra fans, better airflow, Volcano CPU fans, whatever it takes. From what Tom Brinkman has always told me, the reported temp on most MBs is actually lower than what it really is! -- /\ Dark Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] New box No Joy
Aron; I just remembered one other thing. With some of the newer boards, you can't reverse the ATA100 IDE cables. It will cause the exact problem that you're having. Make sure you connect the blue end of your cable to the motherboard. Some guys reverse the cables due to length requirements, and this can easily be the cause of the problem. Lanman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] New box No Joy
On Friday 18 June 2004 12:31, JoeHill wrote: On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 10:56:36 -0500 Hoyt Bailey disseminated the following: keep it as far below 105C as you can. Man, between you and Smitty we got some serious snipping issues here ;-) -- JoeHill RLU #282046 / www.orderinchaos.org 13:30:45 up 18:53, 6 users, load average: 1.52, 1.42, 1.33 +++ 92 per cent of Iraqis regard US troops as occupiers, while 2 per cent see them as liberators, according to a Coalition Provisional Authority poll. -- Financial Times, June 17 2004 I guess is a case of fat headness.. that should be a lot less than 105F. -- Regards; Hoyt Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] New box No Joy
On Friday 18 June 2004 07:39 am, Marc wrote: Wife ran me off 20 years ago This is a new motherboard IDE 0 seems to be the problem new cables as soon as Fry's opens Lanman I had that same problem with a ECS, Elite Group MOBO that I am using now. I Tried switching cables but that did not help a bit. After resetting the BIOS several times and switching cables several times I finnially found that IDE 0 would not detect a HDD but would detect a CD or DVD just fine. IDE 1 was able to detect any drive that I put on it. Solution I just ended up using IDE 1 for the HDD and everything worked fine. About 6 months ago I had to replace the CD burner and while I( had the box open I thought that I would get to the bottom of the problem once in for all. Again after replaceing cables , changing jumpers on the HDD changing drive positions from the end of the cable to the center of the cable and anything else that I could think of I still had the same results IDE 0 WILL NOT detect a HDD but detects any CD or DVD just fine. I even tried switching brands of hard drives. I am still running the machine with the HDD on IDE 1 instead of IDE0 and all is still working fine. I can't understand how this is possible but never the less that is what is happening. This may or may not apply to the MOBO that you are using but it is worth a try. Thanks for all the help New volcano in bag new cd drive (for testing purposes and a whole bag of cables (Turning myself loose in Fry's with a credit card is a Baaad idea ;-D Marc KM5KW Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] New box No Joy
On Friday 18 June 2004 12:03, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Friday 18 June 2004 11:56 am, Hoyt Bailey wrote: -keep it as far below 105C as you can. Hoyt, are you sure about that? If my Athlon 2100 gets to 55C it starts getting flakey, and at 60C and above it will spontaneously reboot and/or crash. My sons Duron at 1.3 will run at about 50C much more stable but still... 105C? I mean I know you're saying keep it as far below that as possible but seems like a dangerous number to start out at. I would say keep it as far below 50C as you can. Extra fans, better airflow, Volcano CPU fans, whatever it takes. From what Tom Brinkman has always told me, the reported temp on most MBs is actually lower than what it really is! My apologizes I was consumed with an excessive fatheadness. I ment 105F when my amd 2100 gets there it becomes unstable. -- Regards; Hoyt Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] New box No Joy
On Friday 18 June 2004 05:12 pm, Hoyt Bailey wrote: -My apologizes I was consumed with an excessive fatheadness. I ment 105F -when my amd 2100 gets there it becomes unstable. Gotcha. Thats about on par with what I see here as well. I should have recognized that you meant F instead of C, so I'm sorry about that too. I just kept getting this mental image of my CPU at 105C...(meltdown!). :-) -- /\ Dark Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] New box No Joy
On Sat, 2004-06-19 at 03:31, JoeHill wrote: On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 10:56:36 -0500 Hoyt Bailey disseminated the following: keep it as far below 105C as you can. Man, between you and Smitty we got some serious snipping issues here ;-) Achtung! Der Lizten Nazi ist hier! stephen kuhn - proprietor == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com mobile: 0410.728.389 -- Mandrake Linux release 9.1 (Bamboo) for i586 -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- Certified virus-free since we don't use Microsoft products APL is a mistake, carried through to perfection. It is the language of the future for the programming techniques of the past: it creates a new generation of coding bums. -- Edsger W. Dijkstra, SIGPLAN Notices, Volume 17, Number 5 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] New box No Joy
On Sat, 2004-06-19 at 06:34, Aron Smith wrote: Thanks for all the help New volcano in bag new cd drive (for testing purposes and a whole bag of cables (Turning myself loose in Fry's with a credit card is a Baaad idea ;-D Which Volcano did you get? stephen kuhn - proprietor == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com mobile: 0410.728.389 -- Mandrake Linux release 9.1 (Bamboo) for i586 -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- Certified virus-free since we don't use Microsoft products Houdini escaping from New Jersey! Film at eleven. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] New box No Joy
On Friday 18 June 2004 03:14 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Sat, 2004-06-19 at 06:34, Aron Smith wrote: Thanks for all the help New volcano in bag new cd drive (for testing purposes and a whole bag of cables (Turning myself loose in Fry's with a credit card is a Baaad idea ;-D Which Volcano did you get? Mona Koia Its a big squirrillcage fan and heatsink that replaces my old heatsink fan combo bought a hypo of grease too stephen kuhn - proprietor == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com mobile: 0410.728.389 -- Mandrake Linux release 9.1 (Bamboo) for i586 -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- Certified virus-free since we don't use Microsoft products Houdini escaping from New Jersey! Film at eleven. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] New box No Joy
On Friday 18 June 2004 04:47 pm, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Friday 18 June 2004 05:12 pm, Hoyt Bailey wrote: -My apologizes I was consumed with an excessive fatheadness. I ment 105F -when my amd 2100 gets there it becomes unstable. Gotcha. Thats about on par with what I see here as well. I should have recognized that you meant F instead of C, so I'm sorry about that too. I just kept getting this mental image of my CPU at 105C...(meltdown!). :-) 105C to 110C _internal_core_temp_ is the AMD spec'd failure temp. Read that as 'fried forever'. Bios temps aren't very useful. The system has just booted an is under low load. As Ron mentioned earlier, and AMD docs support (overclockers have long known), the actual core temp is 10C to 20C hotter than the temp you see in bios or from lm_sensors. It is afterall, an external contact temp from a probe. 45 to 55C for current XP's is normal. Just keep in mind the actual internal core temp is closer to 60 to 75C. If you see less than 40C from a probe, the report is bogus unless you're usin a water cooler. Case coolin IME is more important than fancy dan cpu coolers. Also run fans at 100%, forget the variable speed gimmicks. Use of thermal grease rather than pads is mandatory. I've seen Volcano's mentioned in this thread. I favor them (Volcano 11+, 4800rpm big fan) because they're easy to keep clean. Avoid coolers that have many close together vanes. They're impossible to keep clean, tho they work just as well when new. Hoyt, 122F = 50C, so your processor should not be unstable at temps of 105F. If the readings are accurate, it probly means you've enabled slowin the fans down when the cpu isn't under load. The fallacy there is that cpu core temp and load can spike up instantly heatsinks by the nature of their mass, take a long time to cool to respond. On most laptops this is a necessary evil. Don't do it with a desktop, certainly not with a server. One more thing. cpu's that have been run hot ... don't heal. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Proud to be an American Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] New box No Joy
On Friday 18 June 2004 16:47, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Friday 18 June 2004 05:12 pm, Hoyt Bailey wrote: -My apologizes I was consumed with an excessive fatheadness. I ment 105F -when my amd 2100 gets there it becomes unstable. Gotcha. Thats about on par with what I see here as well. I should have recognized that you meant F instead of C, so I'm sorry about that too. I just kept getting this mental image of my CPU at 105C...(meltdown!). Nah just the plastic case. Silicon melts @ a much higher temp. -- Regards; Hoyt Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] New box No Joy
On Friday 18 June 2004 17:04, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Sat, 2004-06-19 at 03:31, JoeHill wrote: On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 10:56:36 -0500 Hoyt Bailey disseminated the following: keep it as far below 105C as you can. 50C is far below 105C. Of course I ment 105F. I havent made it into the metric world. Man, between you and Smitty we got some serious snipping issues here ;-) Achtung! Der Lizten Nazi ist hier! stephen kuhn - proprietor == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com mobile: 0410.728.389 -- Mandrake Linux release 9.1 (Bamboo) for i586 -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- Certified virus-free since we don't use Microsoft products APL is a mistake, carried through to perfection. It is the language of the future for the programming techniques of the past: it creates a new generation of coding bums. -- Edsger W. Dijkstra, SIGPLAN Notices, Volume 17, Number 5 -- Regards; Hoyt Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] New box No Joy
On Friday 18 June 2004 18:47, Tom Brinkman wrote: On Friday 18 June 2004 04:47 pm, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Friday 18 June 2004 05:12 pm, Hoyt Bailey wrote: -My apologizes I was consumed with an excessive fatheadness. I ment 105F -when my amd 2100 gets there it becomes unstable. Gotcha. Thats about on par with what I see here as well. I should have recognized that you meant F instead of C, so I'm sorry about that too. I just kept getting this mental image of my CPU at 105C...(meltdown!). :-) 105C to 110C _internal_core_temp_ is the AMD spec'd failure temp. Read that as 'fried forever'. Bios temps aren't very useful. The system has just booted an is under low load. As Ron mentioned earlier, and AMD docs support (overclockers have long known), the actual core temp is 10C to 20C hotter than the temp you see in bios or from lm_sensors. It is afterall, an external contact temp from a probe. 45 to 55C for current XP's is normal. Just keep in mind the actual internal core temp is closer to 60 to 75C. If you see less than 40C from a probe, the report is bogus unless you're usin a water cooler. Case coolin IME is more important than fancy dan cpu coolers. Also run fans at 100%, forget the variable speed gimmicks. Use of thermal grease rather than pads is mandatory. I've seen Volcano's mentioned in this thread. I favor them (Volcano 11+, 4800rpm big fan) because they're easy to keep clean. Avoid coolers that have many close together vanes. They're impossible to keep clean, tho they work just as well when new. Hoyt, 122F = 50C, so your processor should not be unstable at temps of 105F. If the readings are accurate, it probly means you've enabled slowin the fans down when the cpu isn't under load. The fallacy there is that cpu core temp and load can spike up instantly heatsinks by the nature of their mass, take a long time to cool to respond. On most laptops this is a necessary evil. Don't do it with a desktop, certainly not with a server. One more thing. cpu's that have been run hot ... don't heal. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Proud to be an American Thanks for the info. I dont have any control over the fan speed and the reason I know as much as I do is that the cpu fan quit high speed a few days before the warrenty expired. The bios is all I have for fan and temp info. I didnt realize the importance of temp sensors when I bought the system, since I didnt plan on overclocking I assumed that I would not need the sensor system. -- Regards; Hoyt Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] New WM on the block
On Saturday 08 May 2004 23:14, JoeHill wrote: WMI is minimalistic: it has no build- or runtime dependencies except the C++ Standard Template Library (STL) and the X11 Library (XLib). Allright...you try that with no gtk+ libs or a few gnome/bonobo ones to boot and I betcha the whole wm will not run. My problem with the big wm's like kde and gnome is that they guzzle RAM after that I'm pissed off at having to install all those libraries just to run a simple program. Actually I'm saying: No cleaner WM than the commandline (and dialog ofcourse;)) WMI is highly customizable: it is designed with keyboard users in mind. Each action (e.g. resizing the frame, creating a new workspace, launching an app, note that WMI provides hundreds of actions) can be bind to a shortcut. So say good-bye to the rodent :) Whadya think use cat for? ;) Good luck, HarM Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] New WM on the block
On Sun, 9 May 2004 00:30:56 +0200 H.J.Bathoorn disseminated the following: WMI is minimalistic: it has no build- or runtime dependencies except the C++ Standard Template Library (STL) and the X11 Library (XLib). Allright...you try that with no gtk+ libs or a few gnome/bonobo ones to boot and I betcha the whole wm will not run. Well, the WM would run, but you would still need the basics for running any GTK app, Sylpheed, Firefox, you name it. I think this WM, though, is aimed at people who spend most of their time at the CLI, coding, mail, the works. My problem with the big wm's like kde and gnome is that they guzzle RAM after that I'm pissed off at having to install all those libraries just to run a simple program. I'm with ya there, no doubt. Actually I'm saying: No cleaner WM than the commandline (and dialog ofcourse;)) I dunno, there's a certain satisfaction in manipulating and creating using the mouse, I find it especially useful for navigating workspaces, grouped windows, raising and lowering windows, all with the wheel, no clicky. And the ease of 'drag and drop' for doing things like creating CD's and the like, you can't deny that. WMI is highly customizable: it is designed with keyboard users in mind. Each action (e.g. resizing the frame, creating a new workspace, launching an app, note that WMI provides hundreds of actions) can be bind to a shortcut. So say good-bye to the rodent :) Whadya think use cat for? ;) LOL! -- JoeHill RLU #282046 / www.orderinchaos.org Kernel 2.4.22-21.tmb.1mdk Mandrake Linux release 9.2 (FiveStar) for i586 +++ 23:46:22 up 2 days, 10:13, 3 users, load average: 0.04, 0.03, 0.06 +++ President Bush is asking Congress for $80 billion dollars to rebuild Iraq. And when you make out that check, remember there are two L's in Halliburton. -- David Letterman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie]New-old computer advice request
Uytkownik Dennis Myers napisa: You should be able to use any keyboard by getting an AT to PS2 keyboard adaptor. Small little thingy that the ps2 plug fits in one end and the larger diameter AT plug goes into the computer. I assume from the equipment list that that is what you have and not a seriel connection for the keyboard. Sound cards I have experience with ensoniq and Creative labs SBlive sound cards either should work for your purposes. HTH Thank you, Dennis, for your advice. I shall look for one of those sound cards and PS/2 keyboard and AT-PS/2 adaptor. Wojciech Podgrni smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [newbie]New-old computer advice request
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 08 April 2004 02:40 pm, Wojciech Podgrni wrote: Uytkownik Dennis Myers napisa: You should be able to use any keyboard by getting an AT to PS2 keyboard adaptor. Small little thingy that the ps2 plug fits in one end and the larger diameter AT plug goes into the computer. I assume from the equipment list that that is what you have and not a seriel connection for the keyboard. Sound cards I have experience with ensoniq and Creative labs SBlive sound cards either should work for your purposes. HTH Thank you, Dennis, for your advice. I shall look for one of those sound cards and PS/2 keyboard and AT-PS/2 adaptor. Wojciech Podgrni Hi Wojciech, On the networking side. I guess learning to setup a thin client is nice. Have you done DNS, DHCP yet? In my opinion, those are the very basic (and very important) services to be setup in a networking environment. - -- Fajar Priyanto | Reg'd Linux User #327841 | http://linux.arinet.org 14:47:06 up 26 min, Mandrake Linux release 9.2 (FiveStar) for i586 public key: https://www.arinet.org/fajar-pub.key -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAdQP/kp5CsIXuxqURAuH7AJ0dRk0J/4C6MhBjkJRiPxfE0D090wCdHM/l JclZ1r3JG73CBp/N0dzSXVg= =1Mz8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie]New-old computer advice request
Uytkownik Fajar Priyanto napisa: Hi Wojciech, On the networking side. I guess learning to setup a thin client is nice. Have you done DNS, DHCP yet? In my opinion, those are the very basic (and very important) services to be setup in a networking environment. No, I am afraid that I haven't done it yet (how it would be working in one-computer network?). Now that I have two I can at least check the results. Can anybody point me to a good beginners' guide for such administrative tasks? It would be very helpful for me. TIA Wojciech Podgrni smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [newbie]New-old computer advice request
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 08 April 2004 03:06 pm, Wojciech Podgrni wrote: Uytkownik Fajar Priyanto napisa: Hi Wojciech, On the networking side. I guess learning to setup a thin client is nice. Have you done DNS, DHCP yet? In my opinion, those are the very basic (and very important) services to be setup in a networking environment. No, I am afraid that I haven't done it yet (how it would be working in one-computer network?). Now that I have two I can at least check the results. Can anybody point me to a good beginners' guide for such administrative tasks? It would be very helpful for me. TIA Wojciech Podgrni Yes, you're right. But now you can begin experimenting. Are you familiar with the concept of how the internet works? If you are, then you're ready to explore DNS server. The http://www.isc.org has lots of resource about it. After DNS, try to setup DHCP and dynamic DNS. It will make your network very similar with what MS Windows2000 offers. I got a good resource from man named and man dhcpd. It's best if we print it out, because it's quiet lengthy. - -- Fajar Priyanto | Reg'd Linux User #327841 | http://linux.arinet.org 15:09:00 up 48 min, Mandrake Linux release 9.2 (FiveStar) for i586 public key: https://www.arinet.org/fajar-pub.key -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAdQlCkp5CsIXuxqURArUgAJ9y4OQ6gxcCTjWoLhQVtLTtNktB9wCgmHnD BRueHL+iOLyLL0Dw3rj3e8A= =IIJI -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie]New-old computer advice request
Uytkownik Fajar Priyanto napisa: On Thursday 08 April 2004 03:06 pm, Wojciech Podgrni wrote: U|ytkownik Fajar Priyanto napisaB: Hi Wojciech, On the networking side. I guess learning to setup a thin client is nice. Have you done DNS, DHCP yet? In my opinion, those are the very basic (and very important) services to be setup in a networking environment. No, I am afraid that I haven't done it yet (how it would be working in one-computer network?). Now that I have two I can at least check the results. Can anybody point me to a good beginners' guide for such administrative tasks? It would be very helpful for me. TIA Wojciech Podgrni Yes, you're right. But now you can begin experimenting. Are you familiar with the concept of how the internet works? If you are, then you're ready to explore DNS server. The http://www.isc.org has lots of resource about it. After DNS, try to setup DHCP and dynamic DNS. It will make your network very similar with what MS Windows2000 offers. I got a good resource from man named and man dhcpd. It's best if we print it out, because it's quiet lengthy. Thank you, Fajar. Now I have to buy some hardware and a good Ethernet cable. Wojciech Podgrni smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [newbie]New-old computer advice request
On Wednesday 07 April 2004 07:38 pm, Wojciech Podgórni wrote: Hello, everyone! I have just bought a used computer. The technical details are: Intel Celeron 300MHz 392 MB RAM (SDRAM) 8 GB HDD (empty) 52x CD-ROM (LG - although I didn't have any problems with this one on M9.2) 3,5 floppy drive 10/100 Mb/s Realtek Ethernet card NVIDIA GeForce 256 DDR video card ...and that's all. I still have to buy a keyboard (an older kind than PS/2), sound card and mouse. I plan to use my computer for my in-house networking practices (along with my new, shiny - and smelly - Athlon XP 2,4 GHz, 512 MB computer). I have a few questions and I will be very greatful if anyone will give any answer to them: 1) What keyboard, mouse and (especially) sound card should I buy? I want the computer to fully work under Linux. I know from the Mandrake 9.2 hardware compability list that: a) mouses made by Genius, Logitech and Microsoft generally work b) keyboards made by Cherry, Logitech and Microsoft work c) here list of compatible sound cards is somewhat longer (but the ones made by: Acer Inc., Acer Lab. Inc., Adlib, Adopen, Asus, Atrend, Audio Excel, Aureal, Aztech, C-Media El. Inc., Cirrus Logic, Creative Labs, Ensoniq, ESS Tech., ForteMedia Inc., HERCULES, IC Ensemble Inc., INTEL, Platform Tech. Inc., S3 Inc., Sil. Int. Sys., Trident Microsys., VIA Tech., Xilinx Inc. and YAMAHA have been reported to be working). I know the list is hardly complete. The big question is what should I ask Linux-ignorant sellers to obtain a cheap and functional set? 2) I am thinking of using the older computer as a thin client (the new one would be my server). What are the advantages and disadvantages of that solution (especially in comparison to a Windows-like model of two-standalone computers)? Is it worth the effort?* I look forward for reading your advices. This is something I have never done before (and I hope to learn something about Linux and computers in general). TIA! Wojciech Podgórni * I would use the thin client to browse the Web, for editing texts and listening to the music - but I generally consider it as an exercise in Linux administration. I have never worked on ANY network before (not counting me being a ISP client). You should be able to use any keyboard by getting an AT to PS2 keyboard adaptor. Small little thingy that the ps2 plug fits in one end and the larger diameter AT plug goes into the computer. I assume from the equipment list that that is what you have and not a seriel connection for the keyboard. Sound cards I have experience with ensoniq and Creative labs SBlive sound cards either should work for your purposes. HTH -- Dennis M. Linux user #180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie]New-old computer advice request
Sounds like you've got one of the old AT motherboards. As far as the keyboard goes, you should be able to get a PS/2 keyboard to work by buying a PS/2 to AT adapter. Now, when it comes to the mouse, if it's the old serial type of mouse, unless one of your local computer stores happens to have an old serial mouse, best place to go for one of those is Ebay. You can get a PS/2 to serial adapter. One might come with the keyboard adapter, but 9 times out of 10 the adapters for the mice don't work. Everything else looks fine, except you might want to see if the board will support a bigger hard drive if you've got a spare one floating around. Jim On Wed, 2004-04-07 at 19:38, Wojciech Podgórni wrote: Hello, everyone! I have just bought a used computer. The technical details are: Intel Celeron 300MHz 392 MB RAM (SDRAM) 8 GB HDD (empty) 52x CD-ROM (LG - although I didn't have any problems with this one on M9.2) 3,5 floppy drive 10/100 Mb/s Realtek Ethernet card NVIDIA GeForce 256 DDR video card ...and that's all. I still have to buy a keyboard (an older kind than PS/2), sound card and mouse. I plan to use my computer for my in-house networking practices (along with my new, shiny - and smelly - Athlon XP 2,4 GHz, 512 MB computer). I have a few questions and I will be very greatful if anyone will give any answer to them: 1) What keyboard, mouse and (especially) sound card should I buy? I want the computer to fully work under Linux. I know from the Mandrake 9.2 hardware compability list that: a) mouses made by Genius, Logitech and Microsoft generally work b) keyboards made by Cherry, Logitech and Microsoft work c) here list of compatible sound cards is somewhat longer (but the ones made by: Acer Inc., Acer Lab. Inc., Adlib, Adopen, Asus, Atrend, Audio Excel, Aureal, Aztech, C-Media El. Inc., Cirrus Logic, Creative Labs, Ensoniq, ESS Tech., ForteMedia Inc., HERCULES, IC Ensemble Inc., INTEL, Platform Tech. Inc., S3 Inc., Sil. Int. Sys., Trident Microsys., VIA Tech., Xilinx Inc. and YAMAHA have been reported to be working). I know the list is hardly complete. The big question is what should I ask Linux-ignorant sellers to obtain a cheap and functional set? 2) I am thinking of using the older computer as a thin client (the new one would be my server). What are the advantages and disadvantages of that solution (especially in comparison to a Windows-like model of two-standalone computers)? Is it worth the effort?* I look forward for reading your advices. This is something I have never done before (and I hope to learn something about Linux and computers in general). TIA! Wojciech Podgórni * I would use the thin client to browse the Web, for editing texts and listening to the music - but I generally consider it as an exercise in Linux administration. I have never worked on ANY network before (not counting me being a ISP client). Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] New Mirror Structure coming soon
On Saturday 03 April 2004 11:36 pm, Aron Smith wrote: errors when you try to istall something or update. This will simply be because the paths on the mirrors will have changed, and consequently, your urpmi sources will have to be changed to accomodate this. Does tis mean that we will have to alter urpmi ? You should read more carefully ;-p -- /g Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] New Mirror Structure coming soon
On Saturday 03 April 2004 06:05 pm, Greg Meyer wrote: A couple of days ago, Warly, The Mandrake release captain, posted to the Cooker Mailing List that the structure of the mirrors will be chaning soon to accomodate the finalization of the Mandrake 10.0 release and the continued development that will be going on in the stable community branch. Here is his original post: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=mandrake-cookerm=108084290223337w=2 The reason I am posting this is that as the mirrors start to synch up over the next few days, you may find your urpmi/rpmdrake spitting out errors when you try to istall something or update. This will simply be because the paths on the mirrors will have changed, and consequently, your urpmi sources will have to be changed to accomodate this. For instance, updates for 9.2, which is now in ../mandrake/updates/9.2/RPMS will become ../Mandrakelinux/official/updates/9.2/RPMS This is going to be a welcome change as the old mirror structure stinks and this will help the Mandrake mirror system more reliable and easier to use. For those of you that are going to complain about this, please consider the long term benefit despite your short term pain. Thanks, for the heads up. I am beginning to think that 10.0 is the best of the best and will want to burn some disks to hand out to friends. Don't want anything out of date to go into newbier than me hands. -- Dennis M. linux user # 180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] New Mirror Structure coming soon
On Saturday 03 April 2004 08:04 pm, Dennis Myers wrote: On Saturday 03 April 2004 06:05 pm, Greg Meyer wrote: A couple of days ago, Warly, The Mandrake release captain, posted to the Cooker Mailing List that the structure of the mirrors will be chaning soon to accomodate the finalization of the Mandrake 10.0 release and the continued development that will be going on in the stable community branch. Here is his original post: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=mandrake-cookerm=108084290223337w=2 The reason I am posting this is that as the mirrors start to synch up over the next few days, you may find your urpmi/rpmdrake spitting out errors when you try to istall something or update. This will simply be because the paths on the mirrors will have changed, and consequently, your urpmi sources will have to be changed to accomodate this. For instance, updates for 9.2, which is now in ../mandrake/updates/9.2/RPMS will become ../Mandrakelinux/official/updates/9.2/RPMS This is going to be a welcome change as the old mirror structure stinks and this will help the Mandrake mirror system more reliable and easier to use. For those of you that are going to complain about this, please consider the long term benefit despite your short term pain. Thanks, for the heads up. I am beginning to think that 10.0 is the best of the best and will want to burn some disks to hand out to friends. Don't want anything out of date to go into newbier than me hands. Does tis mean that we will have to alter urpmi ? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] New kernel (was: USB SDcard reader)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 27 March 2004 12:53, Paul wrote: On 03/27/2004 11:44 AM, Anne Wilson wrote: Sorry - I did not make myself clear. You would not find it on MU, I think, because doing it from there would update the kernel rather than installing a parallel one. It's too dangerous. I found it in the normal Software Installer, which said that it would be downloaded from Update Sources. I found the newer kernel! Looking in the right place does help... *grin* So... before I blow up my box... when I select to install it: will the software installer add a new entry to lilo.conf for it, so I can select that at boottime? Yes. You will have a longer lilo, from which you will be able to boot into either one. Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAZXm4kFAvMr/nNX8RAoWHAJ4iaNZb9MsyC5YFr4eiMEWiB5op0ACfdKvj 5epzd0W98xZxgd69POD/T4g= =8mbO -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] New kernel
On 03/27/2004 01:55 PM, Anne Wilson wrote: Yes. You will have a longer lilo, from which you will be able to boot into either one. Okay. I got the new kernel installed and running. Then I plugged in the camera. /var/log/messages keeps telling me the same, no drivers or modules for the new device. No /dev/sd? device shows up. gtkam does not recognise anything as a generic ptp device. /proc/bus/usb/devices does still show the camera. So this ends up in a dead end again, from where I look at it... Thanks for the assistance, though! Paul -- There is no opinion so absurd that some philosopher will not express it. - Marcus Tullius Cicero http://www.nlpagan.net/linux.htm Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] New kernel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 27 March 2004 13:09, Paul wrote: On 03/27/2004 01:55 PM, Anne Wilson wrote: Yes. You will have a longer lilo, from which you will be able to boot into either one. Okay. I got the new kernel installed and running. Then I plugged in the camera. /var/log/messages keeps telling me the same, no drivers or modules for the new device. No /dev/sd? device shows up. gtkam does not recognise anything as a generic ptp device. /proc/bus/usb/devices does still show the camera. So this ends up in a dead end again, from where I look at it... Thanks for the assistance, though! I'm sorry to say that I think you're right. Better luck with the card reader Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAZYK7kFAvMr/nNX8RAp2HAJ0Sx3ZUYADlrPUNsGQ3Ws1uuyGBUwCggBoC rz7l2bt6RNpHh88H4yA4MBQ= =b24J -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] New for 9.2 and 10.0
On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 00:01:44 -0500 Charles A Edwards disseminated the following: New rpms for 9.2 and 10.0 Okay, it's official. You are a Saint. -- JoeHill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++ 06:53:45 up 5 days, 21:24, Mandrake Linux release 9.2 (FiveStar) for i586 ++ If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten. -- George Carlin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] New Linux User - Need Help with Sound in New 9.2 Install
David B. Carter said: I'm getting really frustrated with this sound problem! This morning I dug up an old SoundBlaser AWE32 card I had packed away, and I installed it in the machine I've been having trouble with. I disabled the onboard sound in the BIOS, I removed all references to sound drivers from /etc/modules.conf, and I restarted the machine. After this fresh start, I decided to see if I had any better luck with this sound card. Well, alsaconf wouldn't detect the card, so I moved on the sndconfig. It found the card and played that test audio file successfully, but, when I tried to play a WAV file in XMMS using the OSS plugin, I got no sound! ARGHHH! Well, I'm about to give up on this! I have gone back to the onboard soound. I cannot get anything but CD audio with ALSA no matter what I try. With OSS using sndconfig, I can get CD audio plus audio from some of the games. I still can't play a WAV file in XMMS. But I guess that's the best I can hope for right now. If anyone has any ideas, I'd still love to hear them, but I don't think I'm going to actively pursue this issue anymore (for now). Thanks. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] New Linux User - Need Help with Sound in New 9.2 Install
Given that your soundchip was not detected on installation, or that alsaconf fails to detect it, then I suspect you may may a problem with IRQ conflicts. If you type 'dmesg' in a terminal you will see all the boot messages. If you scroll up you may see some clues. No IRQ conflicts. I found out that my alsaconf hangup problem was because I was running it with an ALSA driver already loaded. When I restarted the computer with no driver loaded, it was able to scan without freezing up. The bad news is that it did a complete scan and came back saying no ISA cards detected. If I manually put all the stuff shown on the ALSA website into /etc/modules.conf, the driver loads, and I get CD audio, but when I try to play a WAV file in any application, it acts as though it's playing, but there is no sound. Another thing I tried after reading back over everyone's suggestions was to run sndconfig. If I restarted with no sound drivers loaded, and then ran sndconfig, it detected my sound hardware and configured my /etc/modules.conf like this: alias sound-slot-0 cs4232 options sound dmabuf=1 alias synth0 opl3 options opl3 io=0x388 options cs4232 isapnp=1 This actually gave me sound when playing WAV files in XMMS using the OSS driver, but, when I tried to play the same file in a couple of other apps under the MultimediaSound menu, there was no sound. Also, I have seen other people talk about sounds that play when KDE starts up or shuts down, and I don't get that (I don't know if I have to configure that somewhere first). And when I go to ConfigurationConfigure Your DesktopLookNFellSystem Notifications and try to click the button to test any of the sounds, I get nothing. So, it appears that the only thing I gained by running sndconfig was that I can play files via XMMS. Just for the heck of it, I tried adding back the ALSA stuff I had previously entered into /etc/modules.conf to see if I could get better results by combining it with the stuff that sndconfig did, but it didn't work. Here are the two variations I tried: ### Start ### alias eth0 3c59x probeall usb-interface usb-uhci alias sound-slot-0 cs4232 options sound dmabuf=1 alias synth0 opl3 options opl3 io=0x388 options cs4232 isapnp=1 #ALSA portion alias char-major-116 snd alias snd-card-0 snd-cs4232 options snd-cs4232 io=0x534 irq=5 dma1=1 dma2=3 #OSS/Free portion alias char-major-14 soundcore alias sound-slot-0 snd-card-0 #card #1 alias sound-service-0-0 snd-mixer-oss alias sound-service-0-1 snd-seq-oss alias sound-service-0-3 snd-pcm-oss alias sound-service-0-8 snd-seq-oss alias sound-service-0-12 snd-pcm-oss ### End ### and ### Start ### alias eth0 3c59x probeall usb-interface usb-uhci alias sound-slot-0 cs4232 options sound dmabuf=1 alias synth0 opl3 options opl3 io=0x388 options cs4232 isapnp=1 #ALSA portion alias char-major-116 snd alias snd-card-0 snd-cs4236 options snd-cs4236 io=0x534 cport=0x120 irq=5 dma1=1 dma2=3 #OSS/Free portion alias char-major-14 soundcore alias sound-slot-0 snd-card-0 #card #1 alias sound-service-0-0 snd-mixer-oss alias sound-service-0-1 snd-seq-oss alias sound-service-0-3 snd-pcm-oss alias sound-service-0-8 snd-seq-oss alias sound-service-0-12 snd-pcm-oss ### End ### As I said earlier, neither one of these worked (not that I really expected them to--I was just taking a stab in the dark). Anyway, I was encouraged when I saw that I could play a WAV file in XMMS after running sndconfig, but now I'm not sure what I really gained. I hope this info is helpful to someone that may be able to point me to the next step. Thanks. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] New Linux User - Need Help with Sound in New 9.2 Install
On Saturday 06 Mar 2004 01:22, David B. Carter wrote: Derek Jennings said: The modprobe snd-cs-4236 loads the driver. But it will not load on the next boot unless you configure /etc/modules.conf. That is what alsaconf is supposed to do for you, but for some reason alsaconf is unable to detect your soundchip. If you go to http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=Cirrus+ Logiccard=CS4236chip=CS4236module=cs4236#modp You will see an example modules.conf configuration for your driver. You could try copying this into your /etc/modules.conf I haven't had a chance yet to try your suggestion, but I tried following the instructions on the ALSA page a few days ago when I was using RedHat 9, and I had no luck. Of course, I used the sample config exactly as is. I didn't try setting any of the options (port, irq, dma, etc.) because I had no idea what to put. Is there any way to determine what IRQ, DMA, etc. the card is currently using so that I can specify those values in modules.conf when the driver loads? Thanks. Given that your soundchip was not detected on installation, or that alsaconf fails to detect it, then I suspect you may may a problem with IRQ conflicts. If you type 'dmesg' in a terminal you will see all the boot messages. If you scroll up you may see some clues. The command 'cat /proc/interrupts' will tell you how IRQs are currently assigned. Things that can resolve interrupt problems are :- 1/ Boot with 'noapic' - In Mandrake Control CentreBootBootloader tick the 'Force No APIC' button This fixes a lot of these sorts of problems. 2/ In your BIOS disable any onboard devices you do not intend to use - This often causes IRQ lines to be allocated differently. 3/ In your BIOS select PnP Operating System =No 4/ If your BIOS allows manual selection of IRQ lines, try allocating a line. If no selection is possible try moving a PCI board to a different slot. Sometimes IRQ lines are allocated according to slot number. If you have your /etc/modules.conf file configured then the driver will load if the card is detected during boot. dmesg will document that happening. HTH derek -- www.jennings.homelinux.net http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] New Linux User - Need Help with Sound in New 9.2 Install
On Friday 05 March 2004 08:23 pm, David B. Carter wrote: Mike Adolf said: I have not read all the correspondence on this problem, so I may be suggesting something already tried. I also have the same sound system as you. For a long time I used 4236 driver (on MDK 91) and I could play CDs but nothing else. Once after booting I ran 'dmesg' to see any boot messages. When I booted with a failed driver (ie 46xx) the message suggested I try 4232. I did and everything is much better. xmms works, and kbootle plays DVDs with audio. I also get KDE startup and logoff sound. Try using harddrake to set this driver. That's great! I'll give it a try as soon as I get a chance. Did you run alsaconf to autodetect the card using that driver? Or did you just manually configure it and it worked? I probably won't get a chance to try it tonight, and I'm going to be out of town tomorrow, but I'll report back as soon as I try it. Thanks. I did not do anything with alsa at the time I changed to 4232 using harddrake. But, I may have worked (played) with alsa in earlier attempts on sound. Can't remember. mike Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] New Linux User - Need Help with Sound in New 9.2 Install
Mike Adolf said: That's great! I'll give it a try as soon as I get a chance. Did you run alsaconf to autodetect the card using that driver? Or did you just manually configure it and it worked? I probably won't get a chance to try it tonight, and I'm going to be out of town tomorrow, but I'll report back as soon as I try it. Thanks. I did not do anything with alsa at the time I changed to 4232 using harddrake. But, I may have worked (played) with alsa in earlier attempts on sound. Can't remember. Unfortunately, it didn't work for me :( I tried to run alsaconf using the 4232 drivers, and it hung my machine just like the 4236 did. Then I tried to modeprobe it, and I got a bunch of errors. Then I ran dmesg, and it said that the soundcard was not detected. At least with the 4236, I can load it. Oh well, thanks for the suggestion. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] New Linux User - Need Help with Sound in New 9.2 Install
Derek Jennings said: Given that your soundchip was not detected on installation, or that alsaconf fails to detect it, then I suspect you may may a problem with IRQ conflicts. If you type 'dmesg' in a terminal you will see all the boot messages. If you scroll up you may see some clues Thanks for all the tips, Derek. I just got back into town, and I probably won't have time to try them out until Monday, but I'm looking forward to it, and I will report back as soon as I have tried everything. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] New Linux User - Need Help with Sound in New 9.2 Install
On Friday 05 Mar 2004 09:20, David B. Carter wrote: Derek Jennings said: On Friday 05 Mar 2004 01:58, David B. Carter wrote: Hi all, I just subscribed to the list today in hopes of finding some help with my problem. I'm a new Linux user who's only been playing with it for a couple of weeks. My first install was RedHat 9. I spent lots of time reading and experimenting, and I finally got it set up pretty well except the sound wouldn't work. Now I just barely isntalled Mandrake 9.2 and I have the same problem. My computer is a Dell GX1 desktop that has been upgraded to a 1Ghz Celeron CPU. It's got 128MB RAM, 10GB hard drive, and the sound is an onboard Crystal CS4236B-KQ chip. When I start up 9.2, it says it's loading Alsa 0.9.6, but, when I get into KDE, I get no sound from XMMS. KMix and alsamixer both show that everything is unmuted and turned up, but no sound. My problem is that I'm such a Linux newbie that I don't know where to go from here. What further info do I need to provide in order for someone to help me? Thanks. I feel stupid because I've read all kinds of stuff the last two days trying to find and answer, but I can't seem to make much sense of it. Welcome to the list. You say there is no sound in xmms, but is there other sound? Can you hear the KDE log on sound? The CS4236 should (I think) load the snd-4236 ALSA driver by default. You can confirm which driver is in use by refferring to the hardware list in Mandrake Conytrol centre. If it is just xmms affected then check the xmms output plugin (Right Click on xmms and select Preferences) Try with the ALSA output plugin. With some sound chips it is necessary to configure the alsa output plugin and select 'AdvancedMmap mode disabled' If that does not work try the OSS output plugin. You might also like to try setting up your KDE sound In KDEControl CentreSoubdSoundSystem select the ALSA sound system. I apologize for misleading everyone, I have loaded 9.2 on two different machines in the last 48 hours, and I must have been thinking of the other one (which is not working either, but that another story for another day) when I said that ALSA is loading on startup. In reality, on this machine, my sound hardware was not automatically detected during the install, and, therefore, there are no sound drivers being loaded at all right now. I have some ALSA packages installed on the system, but nothing is being loaded. Thanks for the suggestions so far. Any further ideas would be greatly appreciated! OK In that case install alsa-utils (and newt if not already installed) Then in a terminal become root (with su) and enter alsaconf A text based GUI will configure your sound modules and write a new /etc/modules.conf file for you. Alsaconf will not copy your existing nonsound module config to the new file so **it is ESSENTIAL** to make a backup first and copy the configuration of your non sound modules back again afterwards. If the sound module still does no load correctly, then I would suspect an IRQ conflict is preventing the sound hardware being identified. That might explain why it was not detected during install. derek BTW: You still have Reply To set in your Squirrelmail email settings. It is not necessary and is a PITA (OptionsPersonal Setting) -- www.jennings.homelinux.net http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] New Linux User - Need Help with Sound in New 9.2 Install
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 David, could you please remove your reply-to, as it prevents replies going to the list. Further explanation at http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/MandrakeMailingListEtiquette On Friday 05 March 2004 01:58, David B. Carter wrote: My computer is a Dell GX1 desktop that has been upgraded to a 1Ghz Celeron CPU. It's got 128MB RAM, 10GB hard drive, and the sound is an onboard Crystal CS4236B-KQ chip. When I start up 9.2, it says it's loading Alsa 0.9.6, but, when I get into KDE, I get no sound from XMMS. KMix and alsamixer both show that everything is unmuted and turned up, but no sound. My problem is that I'm such a Linux newbie that I don't know where to go from here. Hi, David. What have you tried in xmms? Does it play an mp3 from your hard disk, for instance? Is it audio cds that are affected? What further info do I need to provide in order for someone to help me? First, check the obvious - I was caught out on this recently with a box that I didn't build myself! Is there an audio cable from your cd player to the sound card? Then, go to Configure Your Computer, Hardware, HardDrake. Check that your soundcard is correctly recognised. Click on the soundcard entry and see which driver is being used. Come back when you have checked these and we'll carry on checks. Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFASGRtkFAvMr/nNX8RAlgEAJ9mxoS0K1elO2HKdVXyBPK4BEW03ACdEExO rLnw26BwqIPnu7HYXK3wDTc= =Jiom -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] New Linux User - Need Help with Sound in New 9.2 Install
Thanks. Derek told me the same thing, so I have taken care of that already. Shouldn't be a problem from now on. Anne Wilson said: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 David, could you please remove your reply-to, as it prevents replies going to the list. Further explanation at http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/MandrakeMailingListEtiquette On Friday 05 March 2004 01:58, David B. Carter wrote: My computer is a Dell GX1 desktop that has been upgraded to a 1Ghz Celeron CPU. It's got 128MB RAM, 10GB hard drive, and the sound is an onboard Crystal CS4236B-KQ chip. When I start up 9.2, it says it's loading Alsa 0.9.6, but, when I get into KDE, I get no sound from XMMS. KMix and alsamixer both show that everything is unmuted and turned up, but no sound. My problem is that I'm such a Linux newbie that I don't know where to go from here. Hi, David. What have you tried in xmms? Does it play an mp3 from your hard disk, for instance? Is it audio cds that are affected? What further info do I need to provide in order for someone to help me? First, check the obvious - I was caught out on this recently with a box that I didn't build myself! Is there an audio cable from your cd player to the sound card? Then, go to Configure Your Computer, Hardware, HardDrake. Check that your soundcard is correctly recognised. Click on the soundcard entry and see which driver is being used. Come back when you have checked these and we'll carry on checks. Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFASGRtkFAvMr/nNX8RAlgEAJ9mxoS0K1elO2HKdVXyBPK4BEW03ACdEExO rLnw26BwqIPnu7HYXK3wDTc=Jiom -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] New Linux User - Need Help with Sound in New 9.2 Install
First on the reply-to issue... I took it out once, but I must have not saved the changes. Sorry. Do I have to take it out of all identities? I would think it only needs to be changed in the one I use for list postings. Anyway, thanks for the heads up. Hopefully it won't be a problem for this message. As for alsa-utils, someone else asked me about that, but it is not currently on my system, and when I use RpmDrake to tell me what new packages are available for install, it's not listed there either. Do I need to just download and compile from the ALSA website, or is there another source to get mdk rpms from? If I do need to get it straight from ALSA, do I need to uninstall the current ALSA-related RPMs before doing so? Thanks. Sorry I'm so clueless... Derek Jennings said: On Friday 05 Mar 2004 09:20, David B. Carter wrote: Derek Jennings said: On Friday 05 Mar 2004 01:58, David B. Carter wrote: Hi all, I just subscribed to the list today in hopes of finding some help with my problem. I'm a new Linux user who's only been playing with it for a couple of weeks. My first install was RedHat 9. I spent lots of time reading and experimenting, and I finally got it set up pretty well except the sound wouldn't work. Now I just barely isntalled Mandrake 9.2 and I have the same problem. My computer is a Dell GX1 desktop that has been upgraded to a 1Ghz Celeron CPU. It's got 128MB RAM, 10GB hard drive, and the sound is an onboard Crystal CS4236B-KQ chip. When I start up 9.2, it says it's loading Alsa 0.9.6, but, when I get into KDE, I get no sound from XMMS. KMix and alsamixer both show that everything is unmuted and turned up, but no sound. My problem is that I'm such a Linux newbie that I don't know where to go from here. What further info do I need to provide in order for someone to help me? Thanks. I feel stupid because I've read all kinds of stuff the last two days trying to find and answer, but I can't seem to make much sense of it. Welcome to the list. You say there is no sound in xmms, but is there other sound? Can you hear the KDE log on sound? The CS4236 should (I think) load the snd-4236 ALSA driver by default. You can confirm which driver is in use by refferring to the hardware list in Mandrake Conytrol centre. If it is just xmms affected then check the xmms output plugin (Right Click on xmms and select Preferences) Try with the ALSA output plugin. With some sound chips it is necessary to configure the alsa output plugin and select 'AdvancedMmap mode disabled' If that does not work try the OSS output plugin. You might also like to try setting up your KDE sound In KDEControl CentreSoubdSoundSystem select the ALSA sound system. I apologize for misleading everyone, I have loaded 9.2 on two different machines in the last 48 hours, and I must have been thinking of the other one (which is not working either, but that another story for another day) when I said that ALSA is loading on startup. In reality, on this machine, my sound hardware was not automatically detected during the install, and, therefore, there are no sound drivers being loaded at all right now. I have some ALSA packages installed on the system, but nothing is being loaded. Thanks for the suggestions so far. Any further ideas would be greatly appreciated! OK In that case install alsa-utils (and newt if not already installed) Then in a terminal become root (with su) and enter alsaconf A text based GUI will configure your sound modules and write a new /etc/modules.conf file for you. Alsaconf will not copy your existing nonsound module config to the new file so **it is ESSENTIAL** to make a backup first and copy the configuration of your non sound modules back again afterwards. If the sound module still does no load correctly, then I would suspect an IRQ conflict is preventing the sound hardware being identified. That might explain why it was not detected during install. derek BTW: You still have Reply To set in your Squirrelmail email settings. It is not necessary and is a PITA (OptionsPersonal Setting) -- www.jennings.homelinux.net http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] New Linux User - Need Help with Sound in New 9.2 Install
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 05 March 2004 12:27, David B. Carter wrote: First on the reply-to issue... I took it out once, but I must have not saved the changes. Sorry. g We've all dont that at some time. Do I have to take it out of all identities? I would think it only needs to be changed in the one I use for list postings. That's up to you. As it explained on the TWiki, you only actually need it if you send messages from a different identity than the one where you want replies to go. For instance if you send a message from your work box and want the reply to go to your home one. Anyway, thanks for the heads up. Hopefully it won't be a problem for this message. It's correct now, thanks. As for alsa-utils, someone else asked me about that, but it is not currently on my system, and when I use RpmDrake to tell me what new packages are available for install, it's not listed there either. Do I need to just download and compile from the ALSA website, or is there another source to get mdk rpms from? If I do need to get it straight from ALSA, do I need to uninstall the current ALSA-related RPMs before doing so? You may not have the right sources set up. There are many more packages available than those on the 3 download disks. Go to http://www.urpmi.org/easyurpmi/ and follow the prompts. That will help you set up several new sources. Your programs list available for install will then show packages from all of the sources in one list. Thanks. Sorry I'm so clueless... Been there, done that... BTW, in the same Etiquette link I gave you, it asks you to snip unnecessary bits when you use reply. It's only polite to those on expensive dial-up connections :-) Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFASHXrkFAvMr/nNX8RAuCbAJ9TH59+koyIizLso9t2573Wo8s8+wCfcQ9J 34JDKlWlAljjyCs4bVPI9lg= =R4sy -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] New Linux User - Need Help with Sound in New 9.2 Install
On Friday 05 Mar 2004 12:27, David B. Carter wrote: First on the reply-to issue... I took it out once, but I must have not saved the changes. Sorry. Do I have to take it out of all identities? I would think it only needs to be changed in the one I use for list postings. Anyway, thanks for the heads up. Hopefully it won't be a problem for this message. As for alsa-utils, someone else asked me about that, but it is not currently on my system, and when I use RpmDrake to tell me what new packages are available for install, it's not listed there either. Do I need to just download and compile from the ALSA website, or is there another source to get mdk rpms from? If I do need to get it straight from ALSA, do I need to uninstall the current ALSA-related RPMs before doing so? Thanks. Sorry I'm so clueless... alsa-utils is on the install CDs. If it does not show up in rpmdrake then it may be already installed. Or else maybe you only have 1 CD (I am not sure which one it is on) If you cannot locate it just go here using konqueror ftp://ftp.rediris.es/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake/9.2/i586/Mandrake/RPMS and click on alsa-utils and it will install. derek Yes your Reply To is fine now. The only circumstance Reply To is ever useful is if you send from one email account, but want replies to come back to a different one. -- www.jennings.homelinux.net http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] New Linux User - Need Help with Sound in New 9.2 Install
Derek Jennings said: On Friday 05 Mar 2004 12:27, David B. Carter wrote: alsa-utils is on the install CDs. If it does not show up in rpmdrake then it may be already installed. Or else maybe you only have 1 CD (I am not sure which one it is on) If you cannot locate it just go here using konqueror ftp://ftp.rediris.es/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake/9.2/i586/Mandrake/RPMS and click on alsa-utils and it will install. OK. I installed alsa-utils (and it dependency - pciutils) from the FTP address you gave above. It installed fine. When I ran alsaconf, it said that no PnP sound cards were detected and asked me if I wanted it to probe for ISA cards. I said OK and picked the CS4236 drivers so it would not probe for everything on the planet. Then it asked me if I wanted it to test all DMA and IRQ combinations. I said OK and it started to probe. It immediately locked up the mouse, and the Caps Lock and Scroll Lock lights on the keyboard started blinking, and it hasn't shown any signs of responsding for about 20 minutes now. OK, I went back and rebooted the system and repeated the same procedure but told it not to try all possible DMA/IRQ combinations. Same result. :( Any ideas? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] New Linux User - Need Help with Sound in New 9.2 Install
David B. Carter said: OK. I installed alsa-utils (and it dependency - pciutils) from the FTP address you gave above. It installed fine. When I ran alsaconf, it said that no PnP sound cards were detected and asked me if I wanted it to probe for ISA cards. I said OK and picked the CS4236 drivers so it would not probe for everything on the planet. Then it asked me if I wanted it to test all DMA and IRQ combinations. I said OK and it started to probe. It immediately locked up the mouse, and the Caps Lock and Scroll Lock lights on the keyboard started blinking, and it hasn't shown any signs of responsding for about 20 minutes now. OK, I went back and rebooted the system and repeated the same procedure but told it not to try all possible DMA/IRQ combinations. Same result. :( Any ideas? At the urging of someone else who's not on this list, I tried a modprobe snd-cs-4236 I'm not even 100% sure what that does, but, after unmuting several of the main channels (master, pcm, cd, etc.) in alsamixer, I now get CD audio!! Still no audio from digital audio files in XMMS (even after switching to the ALSA output plugin). Any ideas how to proceed? Thanks. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] New Linux User - Need Help with Sound in New 9.2 Install
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 05 March 2004 16:26, David B. Carter wrote: At the urging of someone else who's not on this list, I tried a modprobe snd-cs-4236 I'm not even 100% sure what that does, but, after unmuting several of the main channels (master, pcm, cd, etc.) in alsamixer, I now get CD audio!! Good. Still no audio from digital audio files in XMMS (even after switching to the ALSA output plugin). You may be missing some plugins? Have a look at Install Software again, and install anything that starts with xmms and looks useful. Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFASKtskFAvMr/nNX8RAq72AKCS8o/1TmZ3FPmWgbEHBQLsP2fOwACfdX4e VdxX0Iiw5kdKAfR1437m/sQ= =HQbT -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] New Linux User - Need Help with Sound in New 9.2 Install
On Friday 05 Mar 2004 16:26, David B. Carter wrote: David B. Carter said: OK. I installed alsa-utils (and it dependency - pciutils) from the FTP address you gave above. It installed fine. When I ran alsaconf, it said that no PnP sound cards were detected and asked me if I wanted it to probe for ISA cards. I said OK and picked the CS4236 drivers so it would not probe for everything on the planet. Then it asked me if I wanted it to test all DMA and IRQ combinations. I said OK and it started to probe. It immediately locked up the mouse, and the Caps Lock and Scroll Lock lights on the keyboard started blinking, and it hasn't shown any signs of responsding for about 20 minutes now. OK, I went back and rebooted the system and repeated the same procedure but told it not to try all possible DMA/IRQ combinations. Same result. :( Any ideas? At the urging of someone else who's not on this list, I tried a modprobe snd-cs-4236 I'm not even 100% sure what that does, but, after unmuting several of the main channels (master, pcm, cd, etc.) in alsamixer, I now get CD audio!! Still no audio from digital audio files in XMMS (even after switching to the ALSA output plugin). Any ideas how to proceed? Thanks. The modprobe snd-cs-4236 loads the driver. But it will not load on the next boot unless you configure /etc/modules.conf. That is what alsaconf is supposed to do for you, but for some reason alsaconf is unable to detect your soundchip. If you go to http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=Cirrus+Logiccard=CS4236chip=CS4236module=cs4236#modp You will see an example modules.conf configuration for your driver. You could try copying this into your /etc/modules.conf derek -- www.jennings.homelinux.net http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] new to mandrake
On February 13, 2004 06:51 am, Harold E Vine III wrote: I'm downloading 9.2 I've become astranged from rh/fedora core. I'm planning to install this weekend, and I'm wondering if y'all could provide a couple links to read that would make the install go smoothly. I have a 2.3gig emachine, 1st drive is 80gig, second(for linux)is an 8 gig, I run xp on drive one, both ide drives. 512 meg-o-ram, dvd, cd burner. I'm not a newbie to linux, just this distro. I've tried others, but I have found the right one. I'm hoping mandrake is for me! thank you for you thoughts, in advance. harold Harold; First of all. Welcome to the list and to Mandrake-Linux ! I think you're going to find that you'll enjoy your stay ! Having a look at your hardware, I'd say it'll do OK. Grin! In other words, Mandrake should run very nicely on it! With regards to the install, I don't think you have much to worry about. If the 8 GB drive is in good shape. When you start the install, make sure that your BIOS is set to boot from your CD or DVD drive, and reboot the system with CD #1 in place -you probably knew that already, but I'm covering all the bases here. When you see the boot option screen, press enter. For the most part, the hard work is over at that point. g. Since you've had experience with Hed Rat, you shouldn't have any problems. In fact, you'll probably find this install easier. Since it seems that you'll be using the system as a workstation, I suggest that you set up the 8Gb drive in 3 partitions - / (root), swap, and /home with / getting about 4.5 Gb's. Set up your Swap partition so that it is equal in size to the amount of your ram, and /home can have whatever space is left over. You didn't mention your video card, so I can't help you there, but even if it's on the bleeding edge, mandrake should at least be able to give it a default configuration. If your video is onboard, it probably shares some of the conventional ram you have installed. I suggest setting the video ram to 64MB's if possible, but that's based on you having 256MB's of ram at least! The first panel that you see which allows you to check boxes for the types of programs you want to install has some extra functionality as well. At the bottom, you'll see a checkbox labelled Individual Package Selection. If you desire additional choices in selecting your preferred software, check that box, and click the Next button. Once in the new panel, you'll see a better list of packages which can be opened up to provide a better list of selctions. For a complete list of all the packages on your 3 CD set, you'll find 4 icons at the bottom of this panel. The third one will switch you to a comprehensive list of every package on the CD's, and youcanswitch back and forth by clicking that icon again. The fourth icon allows you to save your selection of packages to a floppy disk, and also to load a previously saved list of packages from a floppy diskette, should you ever need to re-install. That option alone will save you a lot of time for future installs, so keep it in mind. You can find more information here: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org which should also help with the install. Hope that helps. Enjoy and Welcome! Lanman -- Registered Linux user #190712 Smart IT people are staring out the window into the eye of a giant penguin! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: Re: [newbie] new to mandrake
Does it on mine since 7. Tony. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Harold E Vine III Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 3:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re: [newbie] new to mandrake question. lindows os detected and mounted my ntfs partition straight away after the install. is mandrake as simple as that? one of the bugs with rh9 and fedroa was it was difficult to do that process period. From: lanman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2004/02/13 Fri AM 10:34:43 EST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] new to mandrake On February 13, 2004 09:23 am, you wrote: On February 13, 2004 08:46 am, Harold E Vine III wrote: my video card is a ati all in wonder ve chipset 7500 and pci, 64 meg. Mandrake should detect the card, but I don't think it will see the TV-Tuner that's built in. However, there's been some changes since i last tried an All-In-Wonder in Linux, so you're results may differ. Let us know how the install goes. Lanman -- Registered Linux user #190712 Smart IT people are staring out the window into the eye of a giant penguin! -+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Business Computer Projects - Disclaimer -+-+-+-+-+-+-+- This message, and any associated attachment is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify either [EMAIL PROTECTED] or the postmaster immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not necessarily the views of Business Computer Projects Ltd., unless specifically stated. Whilst every effort has been made to ensure that emails and their attachments are virus free, it is the responsibility of the recipient(s) to verify the integrity of such emails. Business Computer Projects Ltd BCP House 151 Charles Street Stockport Cheshire SK1 3JY Tel: +44 (0)161 355-3000 Fax: +44 (0)161 355-3001 Web: http://www.bcpsoftware.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] new and updated
On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 06:24:35 -0500 Lanman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Charles; Are your packages available from an FTP server so that we can download the entire set of packages in one shot? No, its http. Even if it is for just for 1 set, its easy to add to urpmi and after installation you can remove it as a source if you wish. Speed is as fast as ftp Charles -- Some husbands are living proof that a woman can take a joke. - Mandrake Linux 10.0 on PurpleDragon 2.6.1-1.tmb.10mdkenterprise http://www.eslrahc.com - pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [newbie] new and updated
Thanks. Urpmi and I are old friends, so no problem there. Just wanted to know about the FTP option. Lanman *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 1/26/2004 at 7:04 AM Charles A Edwards wrote: On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 06:24:35 -0500 Lanman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Charles; Are your packages available from an FTP server so that we can download the entire set of packages in one shot? No, its http. Even if it is for just for 1 set, its easy to add to urpmi and after installation you can remove it as a source if you wish. Speed is as fast as ftp Charles -- Some husbands are living proof that a woman can take a joke. - Mandrake Linux 10.0 on PurpleDragon 2.6.1-1.tmb.10mdkenterprise http://www.eslrahc.com - -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAFQJUMYWkoYueEqsRAtphAKDB0w5HRhOMEjWVUjA4q2yF/xbWcwC fcwlr tWVJJhJjOOfmLieVDnmhgMg= =8kwN -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] new and updated
On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 07:18:38 -0500 Lanman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks. Urpmi and I are old friends, so no problem there. Just wanted to know about the FTP option. Had not thought about before someone asked off list but if you want copies of all the rpms locally you can use wget the mirror the site wget --mirror --include-directories=/9.2 www.eslrahc.com Charles -- A good supervisor can step on your toes without messing up your shine. - Mandrake Linux 10.0 on PurpleDragon 2.6.1-1.tmb.10mdkenterprise http://www.eslrahc.com - pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [newbie] new and updated
Charles; Been there, done that! Thanks! Lanman *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 1/26/2004 at 1:13 PM Charles A Edwards wrote: On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 07:18:38 -0500 Lanman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks. Urpmi and I are old friends, so no problem there. Just wanted to know about the FTP option. Had not thought about before someone asked off list but if you want copies of all the rpms locally you can use wget the mirror the site wget --mirror --include-directories=/9.2 www.eslrahc.com Charles -- A good supervisor can step on your toes without messing up your shine. - Mandrake Linux 10.0 on PurpleDragon 2.6.1-1.tmb.10mdkenterprise http://www.eslrahc.com - -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAFVjEMYWkoYueEqsRAntRAKC4pBqtFe2RbjGdVN9uQ/O5PLdAHQC g1vz5 bea5ycBKxmrCYOWMSoK0Ek0= =KEDV -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] New Computer Options
Have you checked www.ebay.com? Regards, Ramin On January 21, 2004 04:34 pm, Colin O'Connor wrote: Hello, I'm looking to buy a few cheap desktop systems to do development. I like what Dell has to offer in terms of specs and prices. I have one question to start: 1) Is there anywhere I can get a comparable system without Windows, possibly making it less expensive? Thanks, Colin -- Ramin M Linux user #310496 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
