Re: PDML members: What is your SHARPEST lens?

[Rob Studdert]

On 28 June 2011 16:38, Tim Bray  wrote:

> Think I need an FA77... -T

Sure so long as perceived sharpness is preferable to veiling flare in
your list of lens essentials.

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Re: OT Enablement

[Brian Walters]

On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 00:05 -0600, "William Robb"
 wrote:
> On 27/06/2011 11:54 PM, Brian Walters wrote:
> 
> > Interestingly, that camera originally came to me with a Tokina 35-105
> > zoom which redefines the terms 'heavy' and 'bulky'.  It weighs in at
> > about 850 grams and, with it mounted, the camera/lens combination
> > certainly doesn't qualify for the 'small' tag.
> 
> I had one of those. It was the first zoom lens I ever bought, and the 
> first zoom lens to turn me off to the entire concept of zoom lenses, and 
> started a loathing for the things that I carry to this day.



I actually have two of them now.  A previous donation from my
brother-in-law was a Spotmatic II fitted with the M42 version.



Cheers

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Re: PDML members: What is your SHARPEST lens?

[Tim Bray]

On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 6:31 AM, Steven Desjardins  wrote:
> "Someone should run through the thread and tally the votes."
>
> I nominate Tim.

OK: 
https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AogBdTEc87UVdGZqd2tGdjdiZDU5cDJ6cV9ZU2d5c2c&hl=en_US&authkey=CPSu6bAG

Think I need an FA77... -T

>
> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 1:15 AM, Tim Bray  wrote:
>> Another vote here for the 50-135.  No, I haven't measured, that wind
>> blowing flapping your undies is my arms waving.
>>
>> Often perceived sharpness is a function of DoF.  The 21mm Limited
>> isn't all that sharp, but when you're taking pictures of mountains and
>> skyscrapers and so on...
>>
>> Someone should run through the thread and tally the votes.  -T
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Chris Mitchell
>>  wrote:
>>> On 22 June 2011 16:25, Darren Addy  wrote:
 I love Frank's sig: "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri 
 Cartier-Bresson
 yet there is little that exceeds sharpness as the mark of a great
 optical design.
 There have been several lenses that have been claimed to be the
 "sharpest" in the Pentax stable, and others beyond Pentax (Zeiss
 probably most often mentioned).

 So I thought I would ask PDML members for their opinions on which lens
 (or lenses) they would rank as the sharpest in their stable:
>>> I once cut my finger on an M50/1.7. There was a slight burr on the
>>> filter thread...
>>>
>>> Chris
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Re: Photo.net no more

[Anthony Farr]

On 28 June 2011 11:43, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
>
(snip)
>  I assume you're a flickr members, so that's why the ads are 
> inconspicuous. They're not inconspicuous for non-members. The same is true of 
> photo.net for the most part. However, I think photo.net should avoid pop-ups 
> and stick with banners exclusively, although banners don't generate as many 
> hits as pop-ups, so most websites now employ pop-ups.
> Paul

Just what are non-members seeing on Flickr that members aren't?  Has
anybody ~really~ tested it or are they just guessing and assuming?

To test Paul's claim I walked over to my son's computer and viewed my
Flickr photostream.  My son isn't a Flickr member, and I never use his
computer so it doesn't have any cookies for Flickr or Yahoo that would
give him members privileges.  Neither my computer's nor my son's have
any ad-blocking software at work.  Flash and Java are enabled for us
both.

The pages I saw were ~absolutely~ 100 percent identical to the pages I
see on my own computers.  Every part of the page layout was the same
down to the smallest detail, including the single ad panel below and
to the right of the display picture.

Then I viewed Godfrey's photostream at my son's computer.  No ads at
all, just as it should be because Godfrey is a paid subscriber.  On
Flickr that doesn't just mean no ads for Godder's eyes, it also means
no ads for his viewers.  Not even paid subscribers to photo.net can
make that claim.

I can't imagine what some people are seeing that makes them believe
Flickr is as bad as photo.net.  Flickr advertising is smaller and less
prominently placed than photo.net ads.  There is only one ad on the
standard Flickr photo page against three ads on a standard photo.net
photo page.  Other Flickr display pages such as "Lightbox" or "All
Sizes" don't have ads.

If you choose the first link that Godfrey always supplies you'll get a
"Lightbox" page so you won't need to bitch about any perceived Flickr
crapulence.  For my part I'll tell you which is the "clean" page when
I supply links.

I reckon people hate Flickr because they've just gotta hate something,
and there's no Mac vs PC debate going on today.

regards, Anthony

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Re: OT Enablement

[William Robb]

On 27/06/2011 11:54 PM, Brian Walters wrote:


Interestingly, that camera originally came to me with a Tokina 35-105
zoom which redefines the terms 'heavy' and 'bulky'.  It weighs in at
about 850 grams and, with it mounted, the camera/lens combination
certainly doesn't qualify for the 'small' tag.


I had one of those. It was the first zoom lens I ever bought, and the 
first zoom lens to turn me off to the entire concept of zoom lenses, and 
started a loathing for the things that I carry to this day.


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Re: Photo.net no more

[Boris Liberman]

On 6/27/2011 23:06, Chris Mitchell wrote:

I made a decision years ago not to use any photo sharing sites. I want
control of where my images are stored and how they're displayed.

My ISP provides 2Gb of storage (plenty for low res PESOs and GesoS)
and Jalbum is a slick way of creating them - with a very good built-in
FTP processor.  Works for me.

Chris


Indeed. I owe you at least one drink for patiently helping me through 
with JAlbum.


Great pity they stopped their printing service.

Boris


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Re: OT Enablement

[Brian Walters]

On Mon, 27 Jun 2011 22:52 -0400, "Steven Desjardins" 
wrote:
> Olympus always made such nice small cameras.


Still do, in fact.

Interestingly, that camera originally came to me with a Tokina 35-105
zoom which redefines the terms 'heavy' and 'bulky'.  It weighs in at
about 850 grams and, with it mounted, the camera/lens combination
certainly doesn't qualify for the 'small' tag.

I thought the body deserved a standard lens so I picked up the 50/1.8
from a UK seller at a good price.



Cheers

Brian

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> 
> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 9:35 PM, Brian Walters 
> wrote:
> > G;'day all
> >
> > Knowing my interest in old cameras, my brother-in-law presented me with
> > his old SLR.  I've always wanted to play with one of these:
> >
> > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370864/_IGP0567om.jpg
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Brian
> >
> > ++
> > Brian Walters
> > Western Sydney Australia
> > http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/
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> >
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Re: Photo.net no more

[William Robb]

On 27/06/2011 6:44 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:






No, I love ads.

To a great extent, you are an ad.

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Re: Totally OT: Bluetooth headset for smart phone

[Boris Liberman]

On 6/27/2011 16:26, Steven Desjardins wrote:

My wife has a flip phone and likes to cradle her phone on her shoulder
so she can do things while talking.  She is getting a smartphone but
these are much less comfortable to use in this fashion.  I'm thinking
of getting her a headset.  It doesn't have to be super stealthy, but
it must be very clear.  Lots of Google hits, little help in narrowing
down the choices.  Any suggestions?  I'm willing to spend up to about
$125.  If this is too low, I'm willing to re-evaluate.


Steve, I am thinking that any sufficiently small headset with noise 
cancellation/reduction tech will do. I used to have Cardo Scala 500 or 
something like that which was really good. Lasted long on one charge, 
ergonomics fit me, sound was really good. Later my brother bought Cardo 
Scala 600. Just checked local prices. They are still offered dirt cheap 
here (like USD 20).


Boris

P.S. It is likely illegal in Israel to use such a thing while driving...

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Re: Totally OT: Bluetooth headset for smart phone

[Boris Liberman]

On 6/27/2011 23:45, Cotty wrote:

I use a Blue Parrot B250-XT for when I'm driving - excellent quality
with a maximum volume that can easily be heard over the din of a Land
Rover doing 90.


Cotty, is it 90 imperial or 90 metric?

Boris


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Re: Photo.net no more

[Boris Liberman]

On 6/27/2011 20:09, Tim Bray wrote:

I just clicked on a PESO hosted on photo.net.  It popped up an
interstitial ad that I had to view or dismiss before I could see the
picture.  This is unacceptable behavior and, sorry folks, I just ain't
clicking on any more photo.net links.

FYI, for those folks depending on photo.net hosting, this sort of
abuse-the-users behavior smacks of desperation; you might want to
think about finding an alternate home for your photographic art,
because at this point I'd be unsurprised if they didn't have too long
to live. -T


For a moment you had me scared, Tim. I interpreted your messages as in 
the photo.net was actually closing down.


On a purely technical side of this coin, I am using FireFox on Windoze 
and the NoScript plugin. NoScript is good but it takes long time to 
configure as it works in white/black list manner. Specifically, I have 
photo.net white listed but all other sites it refers to (also for ads) 
blocked. So I see the pictures but see no shit that comes along.


I can relate to Paul Stenquist here, who has great many pictures on 
photo.net and re-uploading them may be a big effort for him. Likewise, I 
am bloggin' on Google Blogger since October 2006. So to have to migrate 
would be a big bummer.


Yet, I see the point in others' opinions - "Carthage must be destroyed". 
I did not realize that photo.net was sold by its creator so many years 
ago. May be I should simply close that free account that I am having 
there in hyb.


Finally, consider this, ladies and gentlemen. Here, anything public has 
huge amount of ads. Even 3 min long news update every hour will have at 
least one "this program is sponsored by ..." and a following jingle 
moment. So, for example, if I want to know the weather update whilst 
driving my car, I have to suffer through this, as I cannot possibly know 
when to turn radio back to that station. Somehow I simply ignore these - 
they don't register on any of my senses, so to say.


YMMV, of course. But NoScript is a great piece of freeware...

Boris




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OT: A thief in the night

[David Parsons]

Saw this over at TOP and found it incredibly funny.

http://www.zie.nl/video/opmerkelijk/Meeuw-steelt-camera/m1ezpfqfk1dv

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Re: The GESO Dilemma

[Ken Waller]

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- Original Message - 
From: "Steven Desjardins" 

Subject: Re: The GESO Dilemma


It's a great idea.  I definitely wouldn't want to look at 12 shots of dog 
poop.


I can see why, they'd all be crappy !



On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 7:13 AM, Rick Womer  wrote:


--- On Mon, 6/27/11, David Mann  wrote:



BTW I'm sure you don't intend these to be hard rules.
I wouldn't want PDML to become too snobbish :)



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Re: OT An Artist's Statement

[Philip Northeast]

Perhaps Charlotte  can spell?

On 28/06/11 12:56 PM, Jeffery Johnson wrote:

Philip you may want to correct your signature as you have left out the r in
dark. Instead of having it as http://aviewfinderdarkly.com.au/ you have it
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Subject: Re: OT An Artist's Statement

On 28/06/11 11:36 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:

This is *very* droll ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3v8DbLWAXvU

The subtitles are critical to your enjoyment, so nuke the ads if they
overlay them.

-bmw



Clearly has a warped sense of humour, so I'd hire her as she would fit right
in.






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Re: Photo.net no more

[Rob Studdert]

On 28 June 2011 12:50, Sandy Harris  wrote:

> I've never seen an intrusive ad on that site. I just tested by
> clicking on Rick's
> link (Some nice photos there, by the way.) and got no ads.
>
> I'm using Firefox on Linux with so ad-blocking and script-blocking add-ons.
> I do not recall which, but could look it up if anyone needs to know.

 Adblock Plus and Flashblock Mozilla plugins seem to keep all but the
most virulent ad nasties at bay.

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Re: Photo.net no more

[John Francis]

On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 07:20:55PM -0600, steve harley wrote:
> On 2011-06-27 18:48 , Paul Stenquist wrote:
> 
> i'm very good at ignoring ads, but for many people, and especially
> when pop-ups are involved, viewing an ad is fairly akin to forced
> window-shopping

And forced-to-watch ads are akin to mandatory sensitivity training.
Nobody enjoys them, and they won't change anybody's opinion.

Thje main reason I purchased a VCR (and, later, DVRs) was so that
the ads became, once more, things I could watch wnen *I* chose.




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Re: The GESO Dilemma

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It's a great idea.  I definitely wouldn't want to look at 12 shots of dog poop.

On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 7:13 AM, Rick Womer  wrote:
>
> --- On Mon, 6/27/11, David Mann  wrote:
>
>>
>> BTW I'm sure you don't intend these to be hard rules.
>> I wouldn't want PDML to become too snobbish :)
>>
>
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RE: OT An Artist's Statement

[Jeffery Johnson]

Philip you may want to correct your signature as you have left out the r in
dark. Instead of having it as http://aviewfinderdarkly.com.au/ you have it
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On 28/06/11 11:36 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:
> This is *very* droll ...
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3v8DbLWAXvU
>
> The subtitles are critical to your enjoyment, so nuke the ads if they 
> overlay them.
>
> -bmw
>

Clearly has a warped sense of humour, so I'd hire her as she would fit right
in.



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Re: OT Enablement

[Steven Desjardins]

Olympus always made such nice small cameras.

On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 9:35 PM, Brian Walters  wrote:
> G;'day all
>
> Knowing my interest in old cameras, my brother-in-law presented me with
> his old SLR.  I've always wanted to play with one of these:
>
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370864/_IGP0567om.jpg
>
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Brian
>
> ++
> Brian Walters
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Re: Photo.net no more

[Sandy Harris]

On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 2:12 AM, Rick Womer  wrote:
> Well, compared to the Flickr interface, or the tectonic launch time of the 
> Pentax Gallery, or the merely glacial launch time of Smugmug... it's an 
> annoyance, but not a disabling one.
>
> Rick
>
> http://photo.net/photos/RickW

I've never seen an intrusive ad on that site. I just tested by
clicking on Rick's
link (Some nice photos there, by the way.) and got no ads.

I'm using Firefox on Linux with so ad-blocking and script-blocking add-ons.
I do not recall which, but could look it up if anyone needs to know.

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Re: OT An Artist's Statement

[Philip Northeast]

On 28/06/11 11:36 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:

This is *very* droll ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3v8DbLWAXvU

The subtitles are critical to your enjoyment, so nuke the ads if they
overlay them.

-bmw



Clearly has a warped sense of humour, so I'd hire her as she would fit 
right in.




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Re: OT Enablement

[Rob Studdert]

On 28 June 2011 11:35, Brian Walters  wrote:
> G;'day all
>
> Knowing my interest in old cameras, my brother-in-law presented me with
> his old SLR.  I've always wanted to play with one of these:
>
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370864/_IGP0567om.jpg

Very nice, I have an old OM 10 here, is a bit like the comparison of
an LX to a SuperProgram

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Re: Photo.net no more

[Paul Stenquist]

On Jun 27, 2011, at 9:06 PM, Anthony Farr wrote:

> On 28 June 2011 10:44, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
>> 
>> (snip) I like ads. No, I love ads.
>> 
>> Paul
>> 
> 
> I'm not against ads.  They let me have a service which costs me
> nothing, at the small cost of some inconspicuous advertising on the
> page where my work is displayed.
> 
> But let me qualify that statement.  The ad is inconspicuous when I'm
> displaying via Flickr.  It's to the right of, and below my photo, and
> in most cases you would need to scroll down to see it.  You will
> probably see the ad if you run a very high screen resolution, but as I
> said, it's underneath and displaced to the right.  It's not a banner
> ad sitting close above the picture, like on photo.net.  It never
> appears as a pop-up in front of the picture, like on photo.net.
> 
> In my early internet days I was a photo.net free subscriber and
> displayed my pictures there, but then they brought down a severely
> small display limit for the freeloaders, so I jumped ship.  Also, I
> never liked their critique and rating system.  I objected to being
> scored by nincompoops whose only qualification is that they can afford
> a camera and a computer.
> 
> The flickr social structure is much kinder.  You can comment or award
> "badges", but nobody issues scores.  And for the most part it's still
> afriendly society.  YouTube style hate mail hasn't found it's way to
> flickr, thank God.
> 
> I use Picasa Web as well, but find it a bit plain when I want to show
> off, so it's just a place where I share my happysnaps.

That's how I use photo.net. I don't request critiques, and I don't get any mail 
-- hateful or otherwise. I also use it for client proof displays, which I  can 
make invisible to others. Haven't had a single complaint from clients. I assume 
you're a flickr members, so that's why the ads are inconspicuous. They're not 
inconspicuous for non-members. The same is true of photo.net for the most part. 
However, I think photo.net should avoid pop-ups and stick with banners 
exclusively, although banners don't generate as many hits as pop-ups, so most 
websites now employ pop-ups.
Paul
> 
> regards, Anthony
> 
>"Of what use is lens and light
> to those who lack in mind and sight"
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OT An Artist's Statement

[Bruce Walker]

This is *very* droll ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3v8DbLWAXvU

The subtitles are critical to your enjoyment, so nuke the ads if they 
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Re: GESO- pushing the K-5

[Bong Manayon]

On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>
>
> Very fine job with the partially desaturated portraits.
>
> The full color shots are also  up to your annoyingly high standards.

Uh...thanks?

:-)

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Re: GESO- pushing the K-5

[Bong Manayon]

On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 11:45 PM, Igor Roshchin  wrote:
>
>
> I also like those desturated portraits (especially the first 5).
>
> In addition to two WR lenses you need Bong WR. :-)
>

I was, but after all these years something is wrong with the O rings...


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OT Enablement

[Brian Walters]

G;'day all

Knowing my interest in old cameras, my brother-in-law presented me with
his old SLR.  I've always wanted to play with one of these:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370864/_IGP0567om.jpg




Cheers

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Re: GESO- pushing the K-5

[Bong Manayon]

On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 6:35 PM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
> On 6/25/2011 06:25, Mark Cassino wrote:
>>
>> Great shots - that 'aged photo' filter does a nice job, but the the
>> essential
>> composition and lighting really comes through in the photos.
>
> I am with Mark on this one.

Dropping in again after a long spell of work and more work...

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Re: Photo.net no more

[steve harley]

On 2011-06-27 18:48 , Paul Stenquist wrote:


A fallacious argument. You won't have to go shopping, but you will see ads on 
the side of the bus, on the bus shelter, and perhaps on the interior of the bus 
as well. And if they weren't there, you'd probably have to pay twice as much to 
ride that bus. It's commerce in a free society, and, for the most part, it 
works.


around here (Denver) ads are about 1% of total operating expenses; fares 
cover about 20%


i'm very good at ignoring ads, but for many people, and especially when 
pop-ups are involved, viewing an ad is fairly akin to forced window-shopping


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Re: Photo.net no more

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On 28 June 2011 10:44, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
>
> (snip) I like ads. No, I love ads.
>
> Paul
>

I'm not against ads.  They let me have a service which costs me
nothing, at the small cost of some inconspicuous advertising on the
page where my work is displayed.

But let me qualify that statement.  The ad is inconspicuous when I'm
displaying via Flickr.  It's to the right of, and below my photo, and
in most cases you would need to scroll down to see it.  You will
probably see the ad if you run a very high screen resolution, but as I
said, it's underneath and displaced to the right.  It's not a banner
ad sitting close above the picture, like on photo.net.  It never
appears as a pop-up in front of the picture, like on photo.net.

In my early internet days I was a photo.net free subscriber and
displayed my pictures there, but then they brought down a severely
small display limit for the freeloaders, so I jumped ship.  Also, I
never liked their critique and rating system.  I objected to being
scored by nincompoops whose only qualification is that they can afford
a camera and a computer.

The flickr social structure is much kinder.  You can comment or award
"badges", but nobody issues scores.  And for the most part it's still
afriendly society.  YouTube style hate mail hasn't found it's way to
flickr, thank God.

I use Picasa Web as well, but find it a bit plain when I want to show
off, so it's just a place where I share my happysnaps.

regards, Anthony

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Re: GESO: Rainbow Bridge

[steve harley]

On 2011-06-25 10:36 , Charles Robinson wrote:

Pretty!

http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2011/rainbow_bridge/index.html


at least at the size presented, you did a fine job of handholding

used to live not far from the Franklin Street bridge, just a bit 
downstream, and had many long walks in the area; i've seen photos of the 
new bridge but yours brought it to life with context


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Re: Photo.net no more

[steve harley]

On 2011-06-27 16:16 , Tim Bray wrote:

Hey Paul, would it cost you severe personal or business pain if
photo.net declared bankruptcy tomorrow and shut down on Thursday?


photo.net is among the oldest community websites around; i was once fond 
of it and used to read Greenspun's articles and look at photos; on a 
lark i just rediscovered the fact i've been a member since 1998, though 
my account has been unused


the fact that Philip Greenspun sold it out four years ago probably has 
much to do with the ads and could also indicate how little we should 
trust the sense of stability such a venerable site can seem to have


(i hate the ads too; i only go there for PESOs)

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Re: Photo.net no more

[Paul Stenquist]

On Jun 27, 2011, at 6:23 PM, Bob W wrote:

> 
> If I get on a bus that says Trafalgar Square on the front, I don't want to
> be forced to go shopping first.

A fallacious argument. You won't have to go shopping, but you will see ads on 
the side of the bus, on the bus shelter, and perhaps on the interior of the bus 
as well. And if they weren't there, you'd probably have to pay twice as much to 
ride that bus. It's commerce in a free society, and, for the most part, it 
works.
Paul


> If I clink a link I want to go to that page
> directly, I don't want to have to wade through a trough of pigshit to get
> there.
> 
> B
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Re: Photo.net no more

[Paul Stenquist]

On Jun 27, 2011, at 6:16 PM, Tim Bray wrote:

> Hey Paul, would it cost you severe personal or business pain if
> photo.net declared bankruptcy tomorrow and shut down on Thursday?

That's a hoot. It isn't going to happen. I am amused by those who believe 
photo.net is suffering because they get a lot of ads! It's ads that bring in 
the revenue. Membership fees are peanuts in comparison. Photo.net gets lots of 
play from Canon, Nikon and a range of non-photo advertisers as well. 

I'm not worried about having to change in a hurry. But if it suits my purposes, 
I will change. By the way, I create some of those internet ads you hate, 
although not for photo sites. I just produced a number of banner ads for an 
automotive equipment site. I like ads. No, I love ads.

Paul


>  If
> so, you might want to have a Plan B in place, because it wouldn't
> surprise me in the slightest.  Yeah, I know, migrating thousands of
> pix is a major pain in the butt. -T
> 
> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Paul Stenquist  
> wrote:
>> Photo.net members don't see the ads. I've considered changing but I have 
>> over 3000 images on photo.net, and I"m paid up through 2012. Plus, I don't 
>> really have time go fool around with something new. I really don't like the 
>> flickr interface, but I think smugmug is nice. Maybe some day.
>> Paul
>> 
>> On Jun 27, 2011, at 3:43 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
>> 
>>> Each time I see said adds, I wonder why the user would tolerate it.
>>> I'll continue to click on the "X", but I imagine it will discourage some 
>>> from using Photo.net.
>>> 
>>> Jack
>>> 
>>> --- On Mon, 6/27/11, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
>>> 
 From: Daniel J. Matyola 
 Subject: Re: Photo.net no more
 To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
 Date: Monday, June 27, 2011, 10:25 AM
 Really, it can't be that difficult or
 tiring to actually click on a
 "x", is it?  Oh well.
 
 Dan
 On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 1:09 PM, Tim Bray 
 wrote:
> I just clicked on a PESO hosted on photo.net.  It
 popped up an
> interstitial ad that I had to view or dismiss before I
 could see the
> picture.  This is unacceptable behavior and, sorry
 folks, I just ain't
> clicking on any more photo.net links.
> 
> FYI, for those folks depending on photo.net hosting,
 this sort of
> abuse-the-users behavior smacks of desperation; you
 might want to
> think about finding an alternate home for your
 photographic art,
> because at this point I'd be unsurprised if they
 didn't have too long
> to live. -T
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Re: Photo.net no more

[Steven Desjardins]

They know you're too cheap to buy anything, John.

On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 8:27 PM, John Sessoms  wrote:
> From: "Ken Waller"
>>
>> Apparently it isn't universal - I don't get the pop up ad.
>>
>
> I don't think I've ever seen a pop-up ad on photo.net
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Re: Photo.net no more

[Steven Desjardins]

"If I get on a bus that says Trafalgar Square on the front, I don't want to
be forced to go shopping first.:

Never go to London with my daughter, then.  I'm just saying . . .

On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 6:23 PM, Bob W  wrote:
>>
>> >> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf
>> Of
>> >> Mark Roberts
>> >>
>> >> Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Photo.net members don't see the ads.
>> >>
>> >> Apparently, non-members who visit photo.net with JavaScript turned
>> off
>> >> (use Firefox with the NoScript plug-in) don't see ads either.
>> >
>> >well, like it or not Javascript, and other forms of client-side
>> processing,
>> >is essential to producing some of the good bits of the web, so
>> disabling it
>> >just to get rid of intrusive ads is throwing the baby out with the
>> bath
>> >water.
>>
>> With the NoScript plug-in you disable JS only on sites where you want
>> to disable it. Doing so on photo.net has no negative effect that I can
>> detect.
>
> Fine, but it shouldn't be necessary, and not everyone using the internet is
> a professional programmer or website teacher who knows about this sort of
> stuff. We shouldn't be getting into an arms race with people who want to
> shove their shit in our faces.
>
> If I get on a bus that says Trafalgar Square on the front, I don't want to
> be forced to go shopping first. If I clink a link I want to go to that page
> directly, I don't want to have to wade through a trough of pigshit to get
> there.
>
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Re: Photo.net no more

[John Sessoms]

From: "Ken Waller"

Apparently it isn't universal - I don't get the pop up ad.



I don't think I've ever seen a pop-up ad on photo.net


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Re: Peso Wheelbarrow

[Steven Desjardins]

I'd crop an L off the upper right side of the, er, stuff.  Nice catch, though.

On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 10:15 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:
> I'll try that.
>
> Dave
>
> On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 7:19 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:
>> Nice composition but IMO it would be a touch stronger with about half the
>> space from the RH side of the barrow to the RH edge.
>>
>> Kenneth Waller
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>>
>> - Original Message - From: "David J Brooks" 
>> Subject: Peso Wheelbarrow
>>
>>
>>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=13549552
>>>
>>> The horse we sold in 2008 has wound up at CARD, http://www.card.ca/,
>>> and my daughter volunteered to be a walker at the Saturday fund
>>> raiser. Great way to see Calyn again. it made Erin happy to.
>>>
>>> K10D D FA 50-200 converted in LR3
>>>
>>> Dave
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Re: Photo.net no more

[Philip Northeast]

On 28/06/11 8:16 AM, Tim Bray wrote:

Hey Paul, would it cost you severe personal or business pain if
photo.net declared bankruptcy tomorrow and shut down on Thursday?  If
so, you might want to have a Plan B in place, because it wouldn't
surprise me in the slightest.  Yeah, I know, migrating thousands of
pix is a major pain in the butt. -T

On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:

Photo.net members don't see the ads. I've considered changing but I have over 3000 
images on photo.net, and I"m paid up through 2012. Plus, I don't really have 
time go fool around with something new. I really don't like the flickr interface, 
but I think smugmug is nice. Maybe some day.
Paul

On Jun 27, 2011, at 3:43 PM, Jack Davis wrote:


Each time I see said adds, I wonder why the user would tolerate it.
I'll continue to click on the "X", but I imagine it will discourage some from 
using Photo.net.

Jack

--- On Mon, 6/27/11, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:


From: Daniel J. Matyola
Subject: Re: Photo.net no more
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List"
Date: Monday, June 27, 2011, 10:25 AM
Really, it can't be that difficult or
tiring to actually click on a
"x", is it?  Oh well.

Dan
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 1:09 PM, Tim Bray
wrote:

I just clicked on a PESO hosted on photo.net.  It

popped up an

interstitial ad that I had to view or dismiss before I

could see the

picture.  This is unacceptable behavior and, sorry

folks, I just ain't

clicking on any more photo.net links.

FYI, for those folks depending on photo.net hosting,

this sort of

abuse-the-users behavior smacks of desperation; you

might want to

think about finding an alternate home for your

photographic art,

because at this point I'd be unsurprised if they

didn't have too long

to live. -T

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Re: Photo.net no more

[Stan Halpin]

A few of us use Zenfolio. Basic ($25/yr), Unlimited ($50/yr) and Premium 
($100/yr) plans available. Customizable, park your own domain there, unlimited 
traffic, unlimited storage for all plans above the Basic . . .

http://www.zenfolio.com/zf/all-features.aspx

stan

On Jun 27, 2011, at 4:54 PM, DagT wrote:

> Den 27. juni 2011 kl. 21.26 skrev Larry Colen:
> 
>> 
>> How much would people be willing to pay for a photo hosting site that didn't 
>> suck?
> 
> I think I pay about $80 a year to the web hotel and made everything in 
> Rapidweaver (about $60 on apple app store). A nice thing is that if it sucks 
> at least it is my own fault.
> 
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RE: Photo.net no more

[Bob W]

> 
> >> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf
> Of
> >> Mark Roberts
> >>
> >> Paul Stenquist wrote:
> >>
> >> >Photo.net members don't see the ads.
> >>
> >> Apparently, non-members who visit photo.net with JavaScript turned
> off
> >> (use Firefox with the NoScript plug-in) don't see ads either.
> >
> >well, like it or not Javascript, and other forms of client-side
> processing,
> >is essential to producing some of the good bits of the web, so
> disabling it
> >just to get rid of intrusive ads is throwing the baby out with the
> bath
> >water.
> 
> With the NoScript plug-in you disable JS only on sites where you want
> to disable it. Doing so on photo.net has no negative effect that I can
> detect.

Fine, but it shouldn't be necessary, and not everyone using the internet is
a professional programmer or website teacher who knows about this sort of
stuff. We shouldn't be getting into an arms race with people who want to
shove their shit in our faces. 

If I get on a bus that says Trafalgar Square on the front, I don't want to
be forced to go shopping first. If I clink a link I want to go to that page
directly, I don't want to have to wade through a trough of pigshit to get
there.

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Re: Photo.net no more

[Tim Bray]

Hey Paul, would it cost you severe personal or business pain if
photo.net declared bankruptcy tomorrow and shut down on Thursday?  If
so, you might want to have a Plan B in place, because it wouldn't
surprise me in the slightest.  Yeah, I know, migrating thousands of
pix is a major pain in the butt. -T

On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> Photo.net members don't see the ads. I've considered changing but I have over 
> 3000 images on photo.net, and I"m paid up through 2012. Plus, I don't really 
> have time go fool around with something new. I really don't like the flickr 
> interface, but I think smugmug is nice. Maybe some day.
> Paul
>
> On Jun 27, 2011, at 3:43 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
>
>> Each time I see said adds, I wonder why the user would tolerate it.
>> I'll continue to click on the "X", but I imagine it will discourage some 
>> from using Photo.net.
>>
>> Jack
>>
>> --- On Mon, 6/27/11, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
>>
>>> From: Daniel J. Matyola 
>>> Subject: Re: Photo.net no more
>>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>>> Date: Monday, June 27, 2011, 10:25 AM
>>> Really, it can't be that difficult or
>>> tiring to actually click on a
>>> "x", is it?  Oh well.
>>>
>>> Dan
>>> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 1:09 PM, Tim Bray 
>>> wrote:
 I just clicked on a PESO hosted on photo.net.  It
>>> popped up an
 interstitial ad that I had to view or dismiss before I
>>> could see the
 picture.  This is unacceptable behavior and, sorry
>>> folks, I just ain't
 clicking on any more photo.net links.

 FYI, for those folks depending on photo.net hosting,
>>> this sort of
 abuse-the-users behavior smacks of desperation; you
>>> might want to
 think about finding an alternate home for your
>>> photographic art,
 because at this point I'd be unsurprised if they
>>> didn't have too long
 to live. -T

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Re: Photo.net no more

[Mark Roberts]

Bob W wrote:

>> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
>> Mark Roberts
>> 
>> Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> 
>> >Photo.net members don't see the ads.
>> 
>> Apparently, non-members who visit photo.net with JavaScript turned off
>> (use Firefox with the NoScript plug-in) don't see ads either.
>
>well, like it or not Javascript, and other forms of client-side processing,
>is essential to producing some of the good bits of the web, so disabling it
>just to get rid of intrusive ads is throwing the baby out with the bath
>water. 

With the NoScript plug-in you disable JS only on sites where you want
to disable it. Doing so on photo.net has no negative effect that I can
detect.

 
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Re: Photo.net no more

[Tim Bray]

On top of which, photo.net is butt-ugly to look at these days.

I pay the $25 to flickr for ad-free photo-sharing with family &
friends.  For the stuff I care about, I host on my own blog.  But to
make it work the way I like it, I had to write a whole bunch of
software, so I can't in good conscience recommend that approach.

 -T

On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Bob W  wrote:
>> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
>> Mark Roberts
>
>>
>> Paul Stenquist wrote:
>>
>> >Photo.net members don't see the ads.
>>
>> Apparently, non-members who visit photo.net with JavaScript turned off
>> (use Firefox with the NoScript plug-in) don't see ads either.
>>
>
> well, like it or not Javascript, and other forms of client-side processing,
> is essential to producing some of the good bits of the web, so disabling it
> just to get rid of intrusive ads is throwing the baby out with the bath
> water.
>
> The way to stop this sort of crap is to refuse to visit the sites which are
> pushing it, and let them know. Hit them where it hurts.
>
> B
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Re: Totally OT: Bluetooth headset for smart phone

[Bran Everseeking]

On Mon, 27 Jun 2011 09:26:20 -0400
Steven Desjardins  wrote:

> Any suggestions?  I'm willing to spend up to about
> $125.  If this is too low, I'm willing to re-evaluate.


given my experience with the technology, which may be more good luck
than management, you can likely spend half that.  I have a $20 Uniden
ear piece. My only issue would be not using it on my left ear
because open vehicle windows are too noisy.  I prefer the bluetooth
over using the phone for both clarity and ease

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RE: Photo.net no more

[Bob W]

> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
> Mark Roberts

> 
> Paul Stenquist wrote:
> 
> >Photo.net members don't see the ads.
> 
> Apparently, non-members who visit photo.net with JavaScript turned off
> (use Firefox with the NoScript plug-in) don't see ads either.
> 

well, like it or not Javascript, and other forms of client-side processing,
is essential to producing some of the good bits of the web, so disabling it
just to get rid of intrusive ads is throwing the baby out with the bath
water. 

The way to stop this sort of crap is to refuse to visit the sites which are
pushing it, and let them know. Hit them where it hurts.

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Re: Photo.net no more

[Mark Roberts]

Paul Stenquist wrote:

>Photo.net members don't see the ads. 

Apparently, non-members who visit photo.net with JavaScript turned off
(use Firefox with the NoScript plug-in) don't see ads either.

 
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Re: 3 new pictures

[Steven Desjardins]

The man amongst his wares is a fine shot.

On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 3:55 PM, Bob W  wrote:
>> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
>> Stan Halpin
>
>
>> >>> 
>> >>>
>> >>> B
>>
>> I am still pondering the riverside shot and the tables&stools. I am not
>> sure about the positioning of the foreground/midground crate by the
>> river, am slightly inclined to say that I would have preferred it a bit
>> to the left in the frame. The tables/stools shot I might try squaring
>> up by cropping from the right. The third shot I have nothing at all to
>> say except that it is among your best.
>>
>
> Wow, thanks - that's very kind.
>
> The river shot is not that great - I won't be doing any work on it, but
> since I'm in the beach project I though I ought to do the decent thing and
> try and get a beach shot each week...
>
> I know Rick was hoping for a "GESO(12): Dog poop", and I'd like to have
> obliged, but I hope he'll make do with some stools instead. He is a medical
> man, after all.
>
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Re: PESO: The Pitch is on the Way

[Steven Desjardins]

I had the same thought; it works both ways.

On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:
> Not as good as the other action shots--did the pitcher just throw the ball, 
> or is he shielding himself from getting clobbered by a line drive?
>
> Rick
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> http://photo.net/photos/RickW
>
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>> From: Daniel J. Matyola 
>> Subject: PESO: The Pitch is on the Way
>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>> Date: Monday, June 27, 2011, 3:32 PM
>> http://blogs.delphiforums.com/n/blogs/blog.aspx?nav=main&webtag=djm1963&entry=107
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Re: Photo.net no more

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On Jun 27, 2011, at 5:10 PM, Bob W wrote:

>> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
>> Paul Stenquist
>> Sent: 27 June 2011 21:38
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> Subject: Re: Photo.net no more
>> 
>> Photo.net members don't see the ads. I've considered changing but I
>> have over 3000 images on photo.net, and I"m paid up through 2012. Plus,
>> I don't really have time go fool around with something new. I really
>> don't like the flickr interface, but I think smugmug is nice. Maybe
>> some day.
>> Paul
> 
> why not tell them that you've been a member a long time, you have all these
> photos with them, but your viewers are now complaining about the
> intrusiveness of the ads and going elsewhere, and that you are thinking of
> going elsewhere too. If they see that the style of the ads is
> counter-productive they will change them, or go bust. But if nobody tells
> them, they won't do anything.
> 

Good point. I did complain once, but it's about time I complain again.
Paul
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Re: Photo.net no more

[Bob Sullivan]

You post a photo of salt shakers and people start commenting on the Buskers.
Often the comments don't seem to follow the pictures.
And the damned interface is still slow!!!
Do they think they are tricking me with those rotating red & black balls?
How about just using the old spinning hourglass.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 12:35 PM, Bob Sullivan  wrote:
>> The Flicker interface has other problems for me...can never tell which
>> picture I'm supposed to look at.
>
> If I send you the links
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/5865448384/lightbox/
> or
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/5865448384/
>
> how it is ambiguous as to which photo I'd like you to look at? There's
> only one photo on the screen in the case of the first, and the primary
> image is pretty obvious in the case of the second ... ???
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RE: Photo.net no more

[Bob W]

> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
> Paul Stenquist
> Sent: 27 June 2011 21:38
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> Subject: Re: Photo.net no more
> 
> Photo.net members don't see the ads. I've considered changing but I
> have over 3000 images on photo.net, and I"m paid up through 2012. Plus,
> I don't really have time go fool around with something new. I really
> don't like the flickr interface, but I think smugmug is nice. Maybe
> some day.
> Paul

why not tell them that you've been a member a long time, you have all these
photos with them, but your viewers are now complaining about the
intrusiveness of the ads and going elsewhere, and that you are thinking of
going elsewhere too. If they see that the style of the ads is
counter-productive they will change them, or go bust. But if nobody tells
them, they won't do anything.

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RE: Photo.net no more

[Bob W]

> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
> Scott Loveless
[...]
> I may start hosting my own again, because the photo hosting sites are
> like operating systems - they all suck.
> 

Hear, hear!

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Re: PESO: The Pitch is on the Way

[Rick Womer]

Not as good as the other action shots--did the pitcher just throw the ball, or 
is he shielding himself from getting clobbered by a line drive?

Rick

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Re: Photo.net no more

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On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> Photo.net members don't see the ads. I've considered changing but I have over 
> 3000 images on photo.net, and I"m paid up through 2012. Plus, I don't really 
> have time go fool around with something new. I really don't like the flickr 
> interface, but I think smugmug is nice. Maybe some day.

Adding my 2 cents.  Just because.

I'll look at photos on photodotnet if it's a PESO, GESO, or whatever,
but I never just go poke around there like I used to.  It's a shame.
There was, at one time, a thriving community at photo.net.

I don't much care for the interface at flickr.  It was never all that
great and IMHO it gets worse with every revision.  But if someone
posts a link to a photograph, I'll look at it.  Flickr's also nice,
due to the sheer volume, for searching for a particular subject, e.g.
if I wanna look at pictures of orange fixed-gear bicycles, or nudes
taken on 4x5 Tri-X and processed in XTOL, or whatever.

Smugmug is really nice for hosting photos and absolutely dreadful for
viewing them.  It's S L O W E R  T H A N  S N O T, those silly photo
rating pop-up thumb thingies that I have to wait for just to change
the size of the picture are awful, and I simply don't look at photos
hosted there.  Ever.

Photo bucket is fine if you're hosting photos there and displaying
them elsewhere, but I won't actually go to photobucket address to look
at a photo.

I had more or less settled on PIcasaweb for photo hosting, but I
really don't think the UI is as good as it used to be for viewing
purposes.  It's fine for embedding links on the blog, etc.

I may start hosting my own again, because the photo hosting sites are
like operating systems - they all suck.

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Re: Photo.net no more

[DagT]

Den 27. juni 2011 kl. 21.26 skrev Larry Colen:

> 
> How much would people be willing to pay for a photo hosting site that didn't 
> suck?

I think I pay about $80 a year to the web hotel and made everything in 
Rapidweaver (about $60 on apple app store). A nice thing is that if it sucks at 
least it is my own fault.

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Re: Totally OT: Bluetooth headset for smart phone

[Cotty]

On 27/6/11, Steven Desjardins, discombobulated, unleashed:

>My wife has a flip phone and likes to cradle her phone on her shoulder
>so she can do things while talking.  She is getting a smartphone but
>these are much less comfortable to use in this fashion.  I'm thinking
>of getting her a headset.  It doesn't have to be super stealthy, but
>it must be very clear.  Lots of Google hits, little help in narrowing
>down the choices.  Any suggestions?  I'm willing to spend up to about
>$125.  If this is too low, I'm willing to re-evaluate.

I use a Blue Parrot B250-XT for when I'm driving - excellent quality
with a maximum volume that can easily be heard over the din of a Land
Rover doing 90. Charged up each night and still going strong after 5
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Re: Photo.net no more

[Doug Franklin]

On 2011-06-27 15:26, Larry Colen wrote:


How much would people be willing to pay for a photo hosting site that didn't 
suck?


I pay about US$ 10 a month for mine.

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Re: Photo.net no more

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Photo.net members don't see the ads. I've considered changing but I have over 
3000 images on photo.net, and I"m paid up through 2012. Plus, I don't really 
have time go fool around with something new. I really don't like the flickr 
interface, but I think smugmug is nice. Maybe some day.
Paul

On Jun 27, 2011, at 3:43 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

> Each time I see said adds, I wonder why the user would tolerate it. 
> I'll continue to click on the "X", but I imagine it will discourage some from 
> using Photo.net. 
> 
> Jack
> 
> --- On Mon, 6/27/11, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
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>> From: Daniel J. Matyola 
>> Subject: Re: Photo.net no more
>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>> Date: Monday, June 27, 2011, 10:25 AM
>> Really, it can't be that difficult or
>> tiring to actually click on a
>> "x", is it?  Oh well.
>> 
>> Dan
>> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 1:09 PM, Tim Bray 
>> wrote:
>>> I just clicked on a PESO hosted on photo.net.  It
>> popped up an
>>> interstitial ad that I had to view or dismiss before I
>> could see the
>>> picture.  This is unacceptable behavior and, sorry
>> folks, I just ain't
>>> clicking on any more photo.net links.
>>> 
>>> FYI, for those folks depending on photo.net hosting,
>> this sort of
>>> abuse-the-users behavior smacks of desperation; you
>> might want to
>>> think about finding an alternate home for your
>> photographic art,
>>> because at this point I'd be unsurprised if they
>> didn't have too long
>>> to live. -T
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Re: Photo.net no more

[Cotty]

I have to say that I'm tired of the ads and the attitude. Too commercial
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Re: PDML members: What is your SHARPEST lens?

[Cotty]

On 23/6/11, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed:

>The A*85/1.4 is OK wide open as well.

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Re: Photo.net no more

[Bruce Walker]

On 11-06-27 3:26 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

On Jun 27, 2011, at 11:12 AM, Rick Womer wrote:

Well, compared to the Flickr interface, or the tectonic launch time of the 
Pentax Gallery, or the merely glacial launch time of Smugmug... it's an 
annoyance, but not a disabling one.

Every time the photo.net ad pops up, I grumble to myself, never again, but 
forget before clicking on one of the links the next time.

How much would people be willing to pay for a photo hosting site that didn't 
suck?


I expect the answer to that is, "not much; zero preferred", at least for 
us amateurs.  Professionals are much more willing to pay for a site, but 
are also much more likely to create or commission a custom one, 
especially since the portfolio capabilities and design of all the photo 
service sites I've seen are, in a word, crap.


One solution employed by a few PDMLers that looks pretty good is to 
publish a gallery directly from Lightroom to Dropbox.  That gives you 
full control over the look'n'feel with no annoying ads or any intrusive 
server-owner stuff at all.  You don't get comments ability or any 
statistics though.  I've done that with a number of galleries that I 
just wanted to share with family, friends and/or PDMLers alone.


I actually like the stats and some of the social features of Flickr so I 
paid the $25 "Pro" tax and am in general happy with it.  I don't like 
that they foist ads on innocent casual viewers of my photo-stream 
though.  It seems the only way to avoid seeing ads is for the viewer to 
buy a Pro account.


-bmw

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Re: Photo.net no more

[Chris Mitchell]

On 27/06/2011, Rick Womer  wrote:
> Well, compared to the Flickr interface, or the tectonic launch time of the
> Pentax Gallery, or the merely glacial launch time of Smugmug... it's an
> annoyance, but not a disabling one.
>
> Rick
>
> http://photo.net/photos/RickW

I made a decision years ago not to use any photo sharing sites. I want
control of where my images are stored and how they're displayed.

My ISP provides 2Gb of storage (plenty for low res PESOs and GesoS)
and Jalbum is a slick way of creating them - with a very good built-in
FTP processor.  Works for me.

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RE: 3 new pictures

[Bob W]

> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
> Stan Halpin


> >>> 
> >>>
> >>> B
> 
> I am still pondering the riverside shot and the tables&stools. I am not
> sure about the positioning of the foreground/midground crate by the
> river, am slightly inclined to say that I would have preferred it a bit
> to the left in the frame. The tables/stools shot I might try squaring
> up by cropping from the right. The third shot I have nothing at all to
> say except that it is among your best.
> 

Wow, thanks - that's very kind.

The river shot is not that great - I won't be doing any work on it, but
since I'm in the beach project I though I ought to do the decent thing and
try and get a beach shot each week...

I know Rick was hoping for a "GESO(12): Dog poop", and I'd like to have
obliged, but I hope he'll make do with some stools instead. He is a medical
man, after all.

B




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Re: Photo.net no more

[Ken Waller]

Apparently it isn't universal - I don't get the pop up ad.

Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: "Tim Bray" 

Subject: Photo.net no more



I just clicked on a PESO hosted on photo.net.  It popped up an
interstitial ad that I had to view or dismiss before I could see the
picture.  This is unacceptable behavior and, sorry folks, I just ain't
clicking on any more photo.net links.

FYI, for those folks depending on photo.net hosting, this sort of
abuse-the-users behavior smacks of desperation; you might want to
think about finding an alternate home for your photographic art,
because at this point I'd be unsurprised if they didn't have too long
to live. -T



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Re: Photo.net no more

[Jack Davis]

Each time I see said adds, I wonder why the user would tolerate it. 
I'll continue to click on the "X", but I imagine it will discourage some from 
using Photo.net. 

Jack

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> From: Daniel J. Matyola 
> Subject: Re: Photo.net no more
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Monday, June 27, 2011, 10:25 AM
> Really, it can't be that difficult or
> tiring to actually click on a
> "x", is it?  Oh well.
> 
> Dan
> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 1:09 PM, Tim Bray 
> wrote:
> > I just clicked on a PESO hosted on photo.net.  It
> popped up an
> > interstitial ad that I had to view or dismiss before I
> could see the
> > picture.  This is unacceptable behavior and, sorry
> folks, I just ain't
> > clicking on any more photo.net links.
> >
> > FYI, for those folks depending on photo.net hosting,
> this sort of
> > abuse-the-users behavior smacks of desperation; you
> might want to
> > think about finding an alternate home for your
> photographic art,
> > because at this point I'd be unsurprised if they
> didn't have too long
> > to live. -T
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Re: Photo.net no more

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 12:35 PM, Bob Sullivan  wrote:
> The Flicker interface has other problems for me...can never tell which
> picture I'm supposed to look at.

If I send you the links

http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/5865448384/lightbox/
or
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/5865448384/

how it is ambiguous as to which photo I'd like you to look at? There's
only one photo on the screen in the case of the first, and the primary
image is pretty obvious in the case of the second ... ???
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Re: Photo.net no more

[Bob Sullivan]

Ya, clicking on that little box to dismiss the ad is a real time
waister.  I could probably pull up 3 or 4 pictures on Smugmug or the
Pentax Gallery in the same time.  ;-)
You know, it's gotten so bad that after I click on the link to Smugmug
or the Pentax Gallery and get the delay, I just click out of the
window all together.
The Flicker interface has other problems for me...can never tell which
picture I'm supposed to look at.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:
> Well, compared to the Flickr interface, or the tectonic launch time of the 
> Pentax Gallery, or the merely glacial launch time of Smugmug... it's an 
> annoyance, but not a disabling one.
>
> Rick
>
> http://photo.net/photos/RickW
>
>
> --- On Mon, 6/27/11, Tim Bray  wrote:
>
>> From: Tim Bray 
>> Subject: Photo.net no more
>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>> Date: Monday, June 27, 2011, 1:09 PM
>> I just clicked on a PESO hosted on
>> photo.net.  It popped up an
>> interstitial ad that I had to view or dismiss before I
>> could see the
>> picture.  This is unacceptable behavior and, sorry
>> folks, I just ain't
>> clicking on any more photo.net links.
>>
>> FYI, for those folks depending on photo.net hosting, this
>> sort of
>> abuse-the-users behavior smacks of desperation; you might
>> want to
>> think about finding an alternate home for your photographic
>> art,
>> because at this point I'd be unsurprised if they didn't
>> have too long
>> to live. -T
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PESO: The Pitch is on the Way

[Daniel J. Matyola]

http://blogs.delphiforums.com/n/blogs/blog.aspx?nav=main&webtag=djm1963&entry=107

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Re: Photo.net no more

[Larry Colen]

On Jun 27, 2011, at 11:12 AM, Rick Womer wrote:

> Well, compared to the Flickr interface, or the tectonic launch time of the 
> Pentax Gallery, or the merely glacial launch time of Smugmug... it's an 
> annoyance, but not a disabling one.
> 
> Rick
> 

Every time the photo.net ad pops up, I grumble to myself, never again, but 
forget before clicking on one of the links the next time.

How much would people be willing to pay for a photo hosting site that didn't 
suck?

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Followup to SMC Pentax A 24mm hood question... (and an unsolicited testimonial).

[P. J. Alling]

I've been pretty much photographically bored lately.  Not much 
insperation, plus I wasn't able to find the time to read the list much 
the last few months, (still at least 7000 messages behind).


However I a few months ago I posted a question to find a clip on lens 
hood for my A 24mm f2.8, since I'd bunged up the filter ring...


Well Rob Studdert came up with a good suggestion, (someone else did as 
well, though I don't remember who), which I almost followed.  I think 
I've actually found a better hood for the application than the one he 
recommended, I'm in the process of ordering one now so I'll know in a 
few days, or so.


A lot of other people gave helpful advice on how to straighten a filter 
ring.  But that really wouldn't work in this case.  I don't have any 
before pictures, when the ring was really bunged up, but I did take one 
recently.  This is the filter ring after it was straightened...


http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PDML/smcpa24filterring.html

Now I'm not complaining.  I'm surprised that it looks this good.  In 
fact I'm amazed that the lens works at all, considering how much damage 
I managed to do to it.  When I got it back from Eric Hendrickson, 
, he had even painted the damaged filter 
ring a nice matching black, which unfortunately wore off with use over 
the last few months.


So there are three things to keep in mind.

1. If you've got Pentax equipment, Eric can probably repair it if it 
humanly possible, (keeping in mind he has no real access to new parts).


2. If I say I've bunged up a filter ring, you can be positive I didn't 
take half measures.


3.  You probably don't want to lend me any equipment.

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Re: Totally OT: Bluetooth headset for smart phone

[steve harley]

On 2011-06-27 07:26 , Steven Desjardins wrote:

Any suggestions?  I'm willing to spend up to about
$125.  If this is too low, I'm willing to re-evaluate.


my partner's quite happy with her Plantronics 975, which she has used a 
few times per week for a year and a half; it is very compact, has a good 
(but not miraculous) noise damping, and a very clever case that acts as 
a backup battery


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Re: Photo.net no more

[Daniel J. Matyola]

I concur with Rick.

Dan

On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 2:12 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:
> Well, compared to the Flickr interface, or the tectonic launch time of the 
> Pentax Gallery, or the merely glacial launch time of Smugmug... it's an 
> annoyance, but not a disabling one.
>
> Rick
>
> http://photo.net/photos/RickW
>
>
> --- On Mon, 6/27/11, Tim Bray  wrote:
>
>> From: Tim Bray 
>> Subject: Photo.net no more
>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>> Date: Monday, June 27, 2011, 1:09 PM
>> I just clicked on a PESO hosted on
>> photo.net.  It popped up an
>> interstitial ad that I had to view or dismiss before I
>> could see the
>> picture.  This is unacceptable behavior and, sorry
>> folks, I just ain't
>> clicking on any more photo.net links.
>>
>> FYI, for those folks depending on photo.net hosting, this
>> sort of
>> abuse-the-users behavior smacks of desperation; you might
>> want to
>> think about finding an alternate home for your photographic
>> art,
>> because at this point I'd be unsurprised if they didn't
>> have too long
>> to live. -T
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Re: Totally OT: Bluetooth headset for smart phone

[John Francis]

My wife got a Plantronics Voyager Pro+ almost a year ago.
If you're planning to use it outdoors it's worth getting
a model with noise cancellation.

The Pro+ also supports A2DP profiles, so it can be used as
headphones as well as a phone headset - in fact it can pair
with two separate devices (one for audio, one for phone use).
Or, of course, you can use it for both purposes on one device.
That's particularly handy with a smartphone; listening to
music (or audiobooks, or navigation directions) requires
a device that supports the headhone profile.

On the downside - we've just had to replace it because the
contacts to the charger stopped working (other people have
also had the same problem, but that's true of other headsets).
But with a one-year warranty that was simple to fix.



On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 08:45:55PM +0200, Ecke PDML wrote:
> I second Plantronics. I also have a Motorola MiniBlue H9 but the
> contacts in the charger/carrier base broke after a very short time so
> I wasn't happy.
> 
> 2011/6/27 Godfrey DiGiorgi :
> > Jawbone makes very good wireless headsets, as does Plantronics.
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Steven Desjardins  
> > wrote:
> >> Thanks. ?I'll give it a look. ?She likes to talk on the phone while
> >> working in the yard pulling weeds and such.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 9:47 AM, Paul Stenquist  
> >> wrote:
> >>> I have the Motorola bluetooth device that Verizon sells for about $75. It 
> >>> hangs from the ear and is nearly invisible. I use it to conduct 
> >>> interviews, and it works well.
> >>> Paul
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Jun 27, 2011, at 9:26 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote:
> >>>
>  My wife has a flip phone and likes to cradle her phone on her shoulder
>  so she can do things while talking. ?She is getting a smartphone but
>  these are much less comfortable to use in this fashion. ?I'm thinking
>  of getting her a headset. ?It doesn't have to be super stealthy, but
>  it must be very clear. ?Lots of Google hits, little help in narrowing
>  down the choices. ?Any suggestions? ?I'm willing to spend up to about
>  $125. ?If this is too low, I'm willing to re-evaluate.
> 
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Re: Totally OT: Bluetooth headset for smart phone

[Ecke PDML]

I second Plantronics. I also have a Motorola MiniBlue H9 but the
contacts in the charger/carrier base broke after a very short time so
I wasn't happy.

2011/6/27 Godfrey DiGiorgi :
> Jawbone makes very good wireless headsets, as does Plantronics.
>
> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Steven Desjardins  wrote:
>> Thanks.  I'll give it a look.  She likes to talk on the phone while
>> working in the yard pulling weeds and such.
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 9:47 AM, Paul Stenquist  
>> wrote:
>>> I have the Motorola bluetooth device that Verizon sells for about $75. It 
>>> hangs from the ear and is nearly invisible. I use it to conduct interviews, 
>>> and it works well.
>>> Paul
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 27, 2011, at 9:26 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote:
>>>
 My wife has a flip phone and likes to cradle her phone on her shoulder
 so she can do things while talking.  She is getting a smartphone but
 these are much less comfortable to use in this fashion.  I'm thinking
 of getting her a headset.  It doesn't have to be super stealthy, but
 it must be very clear.  Lots of Google hits, little help in narrowing
 down the choices.  Any suggestions?  I'm willing to spend up to about
 $125.  If this is too low, I'm willing to re-evaluate.

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Re: 3 new pictures

[Stan Halpin]

On Jun 27, 2011, at 2:14 PM, Bob W wrote:

> Thanks to everyone who commented.
> 
> B
>> 
>>> Not a very productive week photographically. The first three are the
>> best I
>>> can muster:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> B

I am still pondering the riverside shot and the tables&stools. I am not sure 
about the positioning of the foreground/midground crate by the river, am 
slightly inclined to say that I would have preferred it a bit to the left in 
the frame. The tables/stools shot I might try squaring up by cropping from the 
right. The third shot I have nothing at all to say except that it is among your 
best. 

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For Free: Epson Stylus Photo 2200 (refurb, needs some cleaning) (NorCal only, for now)

[John Celio]

[sending this again just in case. I've gotten two "if no one else will
take it" emails, and I know a lot of people don't check the list on the
weekends.]



I've got an Epson Stylus Photo 2200 that I never use anymore. The
printer was a refurb that the camera shop I worked at got for free, and
I convinced the owner to let me take it when the shop closed. It works,
but it needs a good cleaning, and the spongy reservoir where the ink
goes when it does nozzle cleanings really ought to be replaced (I
managed to reset the printer's cleaning counter last year, but it really
should be replaced).

Along with the printer, I've got some inks, most of a roll of 13"
Premium Lustre paper, some attachments and the required cables, and it's
all just taking up space.

If you live in Northern California (I'm in Concord) and can pick it up
soon, it's all yours for free. If you're feeling charitable you can pay
me what you think it's worth, but I'm just looking to lose some ballast
from my home more than anything. I just gave away a 31" CRT TV this
morning, for instance. I don't own a car, so you'll have to come to me.

Before you ask: I won't break it up into parts.

Please reply off-list.

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RE: 3 new pictures

[Bob W]

Thanks to everyone who commented.

B
> 
> Very nice set.
> 
> Dave
> 
> On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 4:40 PM, Bob W  wrote:
> > Not a very productive week photographically. The first three are the
> best I
> > can muster:
> > 
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Re: Photo.net no more

[Rick Womer]

Well, compared to the Flickr interface, or the tectonic launch time of the 
Pentax Gallery, or the merely glacial launch time of Smugmug... it's an 
annoyance, but not a disabling one.

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> From: Tim Bray 
> Subject: Photo.net no more
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Monday, June 27, 2011, 1:09 PM
> I just clicked on a PESO hosted on
> photo.net.  It popped up an
> interstitial ad that I had to view or dismiss before I
> could see the
> picture.  This is unacceptable behavior and, sorry
> folks, I just ain't
> clicking on any more photo.net links.
> 
> FYI, for those folks depending on photo.net hosting, this
> sort of
> abuse-the-users behavior smacks of desperation; you might
> want to
> think about finding an alternate home for your photographic
> art,
> because at this point I'd be unsurprised if they didn't
> have too long
> to live. -T
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RE: Photo.net no more

[Bob W]

it's not difficult, but it's behaviour from photo.net that's in your face and 
offensive. More often than not when I click to see someone's picture on 
photo.net and the ad pops I just think 'Well, fuck you', and click out. 

There are plenty of hosting sites that don’t shove this crap down viewers' 
throats. It can't be that difficult or trying to change, can it?

B


> 
> Really, it can't be that difficult or tiring to actually click on a
> "x", is it?  Oh well.
> 
> Dan
> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 1:09 PM, Tim Bray  wrote:
> > I just clicked on a PESO hosted on photo.net.  It popped up an
> > interstitial ad that I had to view or dismiss before I could see the
> > picture.  This is unacceptable behavior and, sorry folks, I just
> ain't
> > clicking on any more photo.net links.
> >
> > FYI, for those folks depending on photo.net hosting, this sort of
> > abuse-the-users behavior smacks of desperation; you might want to
> > think about finding an alternate home for your photographic art,
> > because at this point I'd be unsurprised if they didn't have too long
> > to live. -T
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Re: Photo.net no more

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I told those idiots to shove it a year or more back when they started
censoring posts in threads, in addition to annoying me with stupid
advertising all the time. It's become a waste of time and energy to
deal with photo.net: they've become a crass marketing organization,
not a photography site.


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> I just clicked on a PESO hosted on photo.net.  It popped up an
> interstitial ad that I had to view or dismiss before I could see the
> picture.  This is unacceptable behavior and, sorry folks, I just ain't
> clicking on any more photo.net links.
>
> FYI, for those folks depending on photo.net hosting, this sort of
> abuse-the-users behavior smacks of desperation; you might want to
> think about finding an alternate home for your photographic art,
> because at this point I'd be unsurprised if they didn't have too long
> to live. -T
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Re: Peso Red

[David J Brooks]

On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 11:07 AM, Rick Womer  wrote:
> I like it.  One might take a little off the left, and add about a half-stop 
> of exposure.
>
> Rick

Thanks Rick. I had taken some off the left but i'll try and see what that does.
When i added the vignette effect, it darkened up the shot a tad. I'll
go back and see.

Dave
>
> http://photo.net/photos/RickW
>
>
> --- On Mon, 6/27/11, David J Brooks  wrote:
>
>> From: David J Brooks 
>> Subject: Peso Red
>> To: "Pentax Discuss" , "Barbara Brooks" 
>> Date: Monday, June 27, 2011, 10:37 AM
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=13563072
>>
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Re: Photo.net no more

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Really, it can't be that difficult or tiring to actually click on a
"x", is it?  Oh well.

Dan
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 1:09 PM, Tim Bray  wrote:
> I just clicked on a PESO hosted on photo.net.  It popped up an
> interstitial ad that I had to view or dismiss before I could see the
> picture.  This is unacceptable behavior and, sorry folks, I just ain't
> clicking on any more photo.net links.
>
> FYI, for those folks depending on photo.net hosting, this sort of
> abuse-the-users behavior smacks of desperation; you might want to
> think about finding an alternate home for your photographic art,
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> to live. -T
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Photo.net no more

[Tim Bray]

I just clicked on a PESO hosted on photo.net.  It popped up an
interstitial ad that I had to view or dismiss before I could see the
picture.  This is unacceptable behavior and, sorry folks, I just ain't
clicking on any more photo.net links.

FYI, for those folks depending on photo.net hosting, this sort of
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because at this point I'd be unsurprised if they didn't have too long
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Re: Totally OT: Bluetooth headset for smart phone

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Jawbone makes very good wireless headsets, as does Plantronics.

On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Steven Desjardins  wrote:
> Thanks.  I'll give it a look.  She likes to talk on the phone while
> working in the yard pulling weeds and such.
>
> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 9:47 AM, Paul Stenquist  
> wrote:
>> I have the Motorola bluetooth device that Verizon sells for about $75. It 
>> hangs from the ear and is nearly invisible. I use it to conduct interviews, 
>> and it works well.
>> Paul
>>
>>
>> On Jun 27, 2011, at 9:26 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote:
>>
>>> My wife has a flip phone and likes to cradle her phone on her shoulder
>>> so she can do things while talking.  She is getting a smartphone but
>>> these are much less comfortable to use in this fashion.  I'm thinking
>>> of getting her a headset.  It doesn't have to be super stealthy, but
>>> it must be very clear.  Lots of Google hits, little help in narrowing
>>> down the choices.  Any suggestions?  I'm willing to spend up to about
>>> $125.  If this is too low, I'm willing to re-evaluate.
>>>
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Re: Peso Red

[Rick Womer]

I like it.  One might take a little off the left, and add about a half-stop of 
exposure.

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> From: David J Brooks 
> Subject: Peso Red
> To: "Pentax Discuss" , "Barbara Brooks" 
> Date: Monday, June 27, 2011, 10:37 AM
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=13563072
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Re: summer evening

[Stan Halpin]

The feeder we use dispenses sugar water and grape jelly. The jelly is a BIG 
hit. It could also accommodate an orange half but we haven't tried that yet.
When we got it, I hung it from the rafter on a convenient hook, just outside of 
the screened porch. It just isn't a location that provides decent sight-lines 
for photography. And I am hesitant to move it mid-season. So we sit quietly on 
the porch and watch them through the screen.

stan

On Jun 27, 2011, at 9:52 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

> Stan,
> Have you tried cutting Oranges in half for the Orioles?
> We got some great shots in the film days that way.
> Regards,  Bob S.
> 
> On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 11:38 PM, Stan Halpin
>  wrote:
>> They totally ignore our suet cake but we have a pair of downey + a pair of 
>> hairy who daily come to the peanut feeder like this one:
>> http://www.amazon.com/Perky-Pet-395-10-Inch-Sunflower-Capacity/dp/B0006349LC
>> The occasional Red-bellied woodpecker and Northern Flicker also enjoy the 
>> peanuts as do Nuthatch, Tufted Titmouse and others. Our strategy has been to 
>> provide a veritable smorgasbord of bird treats across 8-9 different feeders 
>> and then marvel at which birds eat which stuff we never would have thought 
>> they would be attracted to.
>> 
>> The big excitement for us has been the Orioles that have been coming to the 
>> Orioles feeder. An adult female and three juvies all together this 
>> afternoon! The feeder is too close to the house (just outside of the 
>> screened-in porch), there is only about one unobstructed view of the feeder 
>> and that is close to the feeder. And they are way too nervous. So I haven't 
>> given any serious thought to photographing them. Next year I will be a bit 
>> more strategic in my placement of the feeder. But not to the point where it 
>> takes away from the simple viewing pleasure.
>> 
>> stan
>> 
>> On Jun 26, 2011, at 11:51 PM, Ken Waller wrote:
>> 
>>> FWIW - I'm able to attrach numerous woodpeckers - of the hairy & downey 
>>> type  - to my back yard by simply hanging a suet cake from a tree.
>>> 
>>> Kenneth Waller
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>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "John Francis" 
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: summer evening
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 07:16:31PM -0500, Jeffery Johnson wrote:
> Thanks Paul... I did the same earlier today while out on the front porch I
> saw our first woodpecker in the neighborhood. I will confess I was tempted
> to get up and get my camera but decided I would just let the moment be 
> what
> it was and not attempt to record it.
 
 It's obviously the time of year for woodpeckers.
 
 I've seen one on the tree in the front yard in the last week. And tonight
 there were three on the telegraph pole in the corner of the back garden -
 by the looks of them, one adult male, one juvenile, and one indeterminate.
 
 I was tempted to drag out the big glass, but I was already grilling steaks.
 Maybe they'll turn up again over the next few days.
>>> 
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Re: A confession...

[Steven Desjardins]

Watch the radiation, especially if you notice a greenish tinge to your skin.

On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 10:16 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 9:34 PM, Steven Desjardins  wrote:
>> Grainy but nice.  Phones aren't that far away . . .
>
> Mine is right here beside me:-)
>
> Dave
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 9:06 PM, Jeffery Johnson
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>>> Now shame on you she is wondering why you are fooling with your phone
>>> camera and don't your usual camera.
>>>
>>> ___
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>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jt-johnson/
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Paul
>>> Stenquist
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 7:34 PM
>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>>> Subject: A confession...
>>>
>>> While I was sitting on the bench, I did snap a pic of Grace with my phone:
>>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=13557912
>>>
>>> On Jun 26, 2011, at 8:14 PM, Jim King wrote:
>>>
 Paul Stenquist wrote on Sun, 26 Jun 2011 17:10:11 -0700

> I sat on the bench behind my garden tonight. There's a finch feeder
> in the garden, and finches both house and gold darted in and out,
> along with the occasional chickadee. A hummingbird hovered in front
> of me as he studied the various blooms that he might tap. I just enjoyed
>>> the show.
> No camera.
> Sometimes I find  it's nice not to get up in the effort to record
> everything that happens around me, and instead just sit back and enjoy.
> {ai;

 Amen, Paul.  Sometimes it's just about being rather than doing...

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Re: Totally OT: Bluetooth headset for smart phone

[Steven Desjardins]

Thanks.  I'll give it a look.  She likes to talk on the phone while
working in the yard pulling weeds and such.

On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 9:47 AM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> I have the Motorola bluetooth device that Verizon sells for about $75. It 
> hangs from the ear and is nearly invisible. I use it to conduct interviews, 
> and it works well.
> Paul
>
>
> On Jun 27, 2011, at 9:26 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote:
>
>> My wife has a flip phone and likes to cradle her phone on her shoulder
>> so she can do things while talking.  She is getting a smartphone but
>> these are much less comfortable to use in this fashion.  I'm thinking
>> of getting her a headset.  It doesn't have to be super stealthy, but
>> it must be very clear.  Lots of Google hits, little help in narrowing
>> down the choices.  Any suggestions?  I'm willing to spend up to about
>> $125.  If this is too low, I'm willing to re-evaluate.
>>
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Peso Red

[David J Brooks]

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=13563072

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Peso's Lunch break and 1

[David J Brooks]

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=13549553

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=13549572

>From Saturdays CARD affair.

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Re: PESO: Orange Circle

[David J Brooks]

On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Daniel J. Matyola
 wrote:
> Nice find, and well recorded.
>
> I assume that "nail" is a survey mark.
>
> Dan

In my opinion i would say yes.

Dave
>
> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 1:23 AM, Tim Bray  wrote:
>> Really, that's all, just an orange circle:
>> http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/201x/2011/06/26/-big/RUNE1770.jpg.html
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>>  -T
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Re: PAW77 - More rain

[David J Brooks]

On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 3:49 PM, DagT  wrote:
> http://www.thrane.name/Pictures/PAW/files/page7-1000-full.html
> K-5, DA*16-50@28mm, 1/50s, f/4-0, ISO400 (at 9pm June 17).

I feel wet.

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Re: 3 new pictures

[David J Brooks]

Very nice set.

Dave

On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 4:40 PM, Bob W  wrote:
> Not a very productive week photographically. The first three are the best I
> can muster:
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Re: A confession...

[David J Brooks]

On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 9:34 PM, Steven Desjardins  wrote:
> Grainy but nice.  Phones aren't that far away . . .

Mine is right here beside me:-)

Dave
>
> On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 9:06 PM, Jeffery Johnson
>  wrote:
>> Now shame on you she is wondering why you are fooling with your phone
>> camera and don't your usual camera.
>>
>> ___
>> You can see my latest captures by visiting my Flickr page:
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jt-johnson/
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Paul
>> Stenquist
>> Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 7:34 PM
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> Subject: A confession...
>>
>> While I was sitting on the bench, I did snap a pic of Grace with my phone:
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=13557912
>>
>> On Jun 26, 2011, at 8:14 PM, Jim King wrote:
>>
>>> Paul Stenquist wrote on Sun, 26 Jun 2011 17:10:11 -0700
>>>
 I sat on the bench behind my garden tonight. There's a finch feeder
 in the garden, and finches both house and gold darted in and out,
 along with the occasional chickadee. A hummingbird hovered in front
 of me as he studied the various blooms that he might tap. I just enjoyed
>> the show.
 No camera.
 Sometimes I find  it's nice not to get up in the effort to record
 everything that happens around me, and instead just sit back and enjoy.
 {ai;
>>>
>>> Amen, Paul.  Sometimes it's just about being rather than doing...
>>>
>>> Regards, Jim
>>>
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Re: PESO: Orange Circle

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Nice find, and well recorded.

I assume that "nail" is a survey mark.

Dan

On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 1:23 AM, Tim Bray  wrote:
> Really, that's all, just an orange circle:
> http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/201x/2011/06/26/-big/RUNE1770.jpg.html
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Re: Peso Wheelbarrow

[David J Brooks]

I'll try that.

Dave

On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 7:19 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:
> Nice composition but IMO it would be a touch stronger with about half the
> space from the RH side of the barrow to the RH edge.
>
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> - Original Message - From: "David J Brooks" 
> Subject: Peso Wheelbarrow
>
>
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=13549552
>>
>> The horse we sold in 2008 has wound up at CARD, http://www.card.ca/,
>> and my daughter volunteered to be a walker at the Saturday fund
>> raiser. Great way to see Calyn again. it made Erin happy to.
>>
>> K10D D FA 50-200 converted in LR3
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Re: summer evening

[Bob Sullivan]

Stan,
Have you tried cutting Oranges in half for the Orioles?
We got some great shots in the film days that way.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 11:38 PM, Stan Halpin
 wrote:
> They totally ignore our suet cake but we have a pair of downey + a pair of 
> hairy who daily come to the peanut feeder like this one:
> http://www.amazon.com/Perky-Pet-395-10-Inch-Sunflower-Capacity/dp/B0006349LC
> The occasional Red-bellied woodpecker and Northern Flicker also enjoy the 
> peanuts as do Nuthatch, Tufted Titmouse and others. Our strategy has been to 
> provide a veritable smorgasbord of bird treats across 8-9 different feeders 
> and then marvel at which birds eat which stuff we never would have thought 
> they would be attracted to.
>
> The big excitement for us has been the Orioles that have been coming to the 
> Orioles feeder. An adult female and three juvies all together this afternoon! 
> The feeder is too close to the house (just outside of the screened-in porch), 
> there is only about one unobstructed view of the feeder and that is close to 
> the feeder. And they are way too nervous. So I haven't given any serious 
> thought to photographing them. Next year I will be a bit more strategic in my 
> placement of the feeder. But not to the point where it takes away from the 
> simple viewing pleasure.
>
> stan
>
> On Jun 26, 2011, at 11:51 PM, Ken Waller wrote:
>
>> FWIW - I'm able to attrach numerous woodpeckers - of the hairy & downey type 
>>  - to my back yard by simply hanging a suet cake from a tree.
>>
>> Kenneth Waller
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>> - Original Message - From: "John Francis" 
>>
>> Subject: Re: summer evening
>>
>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 07:16:31PM -0500, Jeffery Johnson wrote:
 Thanks Paul... I did the same earlier today while out on the front porch I
 saw our first woodpecker in the neighborhood. I will confess I was tempted
 to get up and get my camera but decided I would just let the moment be what
 it was and not attempt to record it.
>>>
>>> It's obviously the time of year for woodpeckers.
>>>
>>> I've seen one on the tree in the front yard in the last week. And tonight
>>> there were three on the telegraph pole in the corner of the back garden -
>>> by the looks of them, one adult male, one juvenile, and one indeterminate.
>>>
>>> I was tempted to drag out the big glass, but I was already grilling steaks.
>>> Maybe they'll turn up again over the next few days.
>>
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Re: Totally OT: Bluetooth headset for smart phone

[Paul Stenquist]

I have the Motorola bluetooth device that Verizon sells for about $75. It hangs 
from the ear and is nearly invisible. I use it to conduct interviews, and it 
works well.
Paul


On Jun 27, 2011, at 9:26 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote:

> My wife has a flip phone and likes to cradle her phone on her shoulder
> so she can do things while talking.  She is getting a smartphone but
> these are much less comfortable to use in this fashion.  I'm thinking
> of getting her a headset.  It doesn't have to be super stealthy, but
> it must be very clear.  Lots of Google hits, little help in narrowing
> down the choices.  Any suggestions?  I'm willing to spend up to about
> $125.  If this is too low, I'm willing to re-evaluate.
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Re: summer evening

[Bob Sullivan]

Same here, and a few racoons too!  Regards,  Bob S.

On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 10:51 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:
> FWIW - I'm able to attrach numerous woodpeckers - of the hairy & downey ype
>  - to my back yard by simply hanging a suet cake from a tree.
>
> Kenneth Waller
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> - Original Message - From: "John Francis" 
>
> Subject: Re: summer evening
>
>
>> On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 07:16:31PM -0500, Jeffery Johnson wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Paul... I did the same earlier today while out on the front porch
>>> I
>>> saw our first woodpecker in the neighborhood. I will confess I was
>>> tempted
>>> to get up and get my camera but decided I would just let the moment be
>>> what
>>> it was and not attempt to record it.
>>
>> It's obviously the time of year for woodpeckers.
>>
>> I've seen one on the tree in the front yard in the last week. And tonight
>> there were three on the telegraph pole in the corner of the back garden -
>> by the looks of them, one adult male, one juvenile, and one indeterminate.
>>
>> I was tempted to drag out the big glass, but I was already grilling
>> steaks.
>> Maybe they'll turn up again over the next few days.
>
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