Re: The kitty, she is empty

[Otis Wright]

Done

On Tue, 3 Sep 2019 00:43:30 -0400 Doug Brewer wrote:

hi, kids. Please consider throwing some spare dinera into the kitty so we can 
continue to wonder what the hell Bill's on about now.


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Re: OT - Pseudo-prudence -- Facebook 'removes' breast cancer video

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Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 20, 2016, at 5:08 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> 
> Brilliant solution!  All I need to do now is find models with square boobs.
> 
>> On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 3:58 PM, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:
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>> Facebook continues its image policing:
>> 
>> Facebook 'removes' breast cancer video
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37721193
>> 
>> Igor
>> 
>> Sent from mobile phone
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Re: OT 19th century photos of the american west

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Some real history captured here.  Thanks for sharing...

Otis

On 8/18/2013 3:27 AM, Larry Colen wrote:

There are some nice shots in this set:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2149899/The-American-West-youve-seen-Amazing-19th-century-pictures-landscape-chartered-time.html




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Re: Pentax is history

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On 7/2/2013 11:52 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:42 AM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote:


:(

So ricoh absorbs pentax and reduces the name to a marque.

That's certain death. Look how Mercedes-Benz has failed as a marque of Daimler, 
or Chevrolet as a marque of GM.

Paul

And then there was Pontiac, DeSoto, Oldsmobile, etc., etc. etc.

Otis

If they were
smart, it would be Pentax Imaging Company.

On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:

Well, recently (like two days ago) Carl Zeiss turned to be Zeiss. So it
seems to fit the recent trend. Suddenly Pentax is up to date...


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On July 2, 2013 6:05:59 PM Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote:

How's that for a provocative subject line? :-)

No more Pentax, now just Ricoh in the company name:

http://www.pentaximaging.com/about/press/309

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Re: OT - Wide Awake in the Sea of Tranquility

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I travelled from Dieppe to Paris with friends that day.  Hit the 
Champs-Elysees with celebrations in full swing.  Wall to wall people.  
It was a good night.


Otis Wright

On 8/27/2012 1:10 PM, Tom C wrote:

http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2006/19jul_seaoftranquillity/

Short entertaining story of the first manned lunar landing. I remember
watching it live when I was 8 years old. My Dad telling the kids to
sit down and be quiet because this was important.

It simply amazes me that 1) the original video tapes were lost and 2)
Buzz Aldrin did not take the camera and get an image of Neil Armstrong
on the lunar surface. All the still image photography was done by Neil
Armstrong of Buzz Aldrin.

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Re: Scanning services?

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I cannot compare with any other service, but I'm quite satisfied with 
standard ScanCafe service.  Mostly slides and color negatives (35MM) to 
date. Just started using their service this year.   No failures or other 
problems so far.   The scans from the few pictures that I've sent them 
were good, but the results weren't noticeably (to me) better than I get 
running picture scans from my HP 8500 AIO Printer scanner through 
Photoshop.  No results yet with BW negatives.


Otis Wright


On 8/19/2012 12:01 AM, Tim Bray wrote:

My wife has inherited a box of photos from her recently-deceased
mother. Many of are immense sentimental value, and they need to be
shared.  Thus, they should be digitized.  Anyone have any experience
with scanning services?  Reliability and quality are the big issues
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Re: Peso: Olde Tyme

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If your interested, your Illinois  watch may have been produced earlier 
than 1965.  I have an Illinois  watch  my father purchased around 1935.  
I've had it reconditioned (mostly cleaned up the shape of the face and 
hands) and use it from time to time.   About ten years ago, I happened 
upon some history of the Illinois Watch Co. and as I recall, they were 
purchased by Hamilton watch in the late 20s and Hamilton stopped 
producing the Illinois brand in the late 30s.


I managed to relocate the source of that Illinois documentation again:
http://www.oldwatch.com/illinois.html

You may be able to get an idea of the date of production here:
http://www.pocketwatchsite.com/illinoisserials.html

  The model watch that I have is shown here:
http://www.oldwatch.com/Museum/Illinois/ill161aelinvar.jpg

Otis Wright

On 1/26/2012 2:52 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote:

That's funny.  I too used to keep this in the safety deposit box.  I
was in there one time for some reason and decided to bring it home.  I
don't carry it but wind it up and try to use it as a clock.

On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 9:43 AM, David J Brookspentko...@gmail.com  wrote:

Nice. I like pocket watches. I have one from my grandfather(mom's
side() but its in a safety deposit box along with some jewelry.

Dave

On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 9:06 PM, Steven Desjardinsdrd1...@gmail.com  wrote:

My grandfather's gold pocket watch, form about 1965:

http://drd1135.smugmug.com/Photography/pdml/15174580_3zgwM8#!i=1686454339k=74x4rtLlb=1s=O

It's a pretty thing and still works perfectly.
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Re: Happy New Year and stuff

[Otis Wright]

Done.   Happy New Year.

Otis


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Re: PESO: No Kidding

[Otis Wright]

Similar HDD setups are used to lay gas pipe up to 50 inches or so --- 
possibly larger --- but this is the largest I have first hand knowledge 
of.   So, laying underground medium and low voltage lines should be 
feasible.


Otis Wright

On 9/1/2011 10:35 AM, John Sessoms wrote:
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 7:15 PM, Joseph McAllister 
pentax...@mac.com wrote:

On Aug 30, 2011, at 14:31 , Charles Robinson wrote:


On Aug 30, 2011, at 16:14, John Sessoms wrote:
Put the utilities underground where they belong and you don't got 
to worry about trees falling over on them.

snip

major rant

snip
DOWN WITH THE WIRES, AMERICA!!! ?(and everywhere else) (think what a 
bounty of jobs that would become available if the go'mint formed a 
DWW whose goal was to transition overheads to buried, ojne street at 
a time. Tell your representatives, local, state, and federal about 
this plan. Improve the economy with me!

Yeah, you're mostly right, but there's a down-side to putting
everything underground:  Every time there's a problem holes have to be
dug at great cost of money and time, along with all the disruptions
that causes.  Once the fix has been made and everything filled in and
patched up, the pavement is always uneven and bumpy.

Real bumpy.

Dangerously bumpy to cyclists.

And after a winter or two those patches begin to disintegrate into
huge (and even more dangerous) potholes.

And that's only repairs,  Over the past decade or so private concerns
(read:  cell phone and cable companies) have been installing fibre
optics under our streets with the expected bumpy roads left behind.

Some streets are un-ride-able to the point that I avoid them
altogether - that's if I can find a passable street nearby.

While I generally agree with you, John, there is another side to the 
story.


cheers,
frank



There's pros  cons on both sides. Utilities underground cost more to 
repair, but don't cause major power outages every time the wind blows.


Around here they don't dig up the street to install fiber optics. They 
use some kind of horizontal drill rig that tunnels under the road.


http://img.directindustry.com/images_di/photo-m2/horizontal-directional-drilling-rig-523688.jpg 





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Re: Happy Birthday

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On 7/6/2011 12:46 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

On Jul 6, 2011, at 8:27 AM, John Sessoms wrote:


Ever notice when anyone complains about illegals coming into the country and 
taking *OUR* jobs!!!, they never complain about the employers who hire them.

Make it a felony to employ illegals and actually put some employers in jail.

And don't give me that crap about Illegals do the jobs Americans don't want. 
Bullshit! Illegals take the jobs where employers won't pay fair wages. And illegals have 
no recourse if you screw them on their pay.

I hired someone to do some repairs on the property.  Over the course of the 
project he had several laborers working for him.  I noticed that the ones of 
latin descent worked a lot harder than the ones who appeared to have been born 
and raised here.  I don't know about the immigration status of any of them.

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Several similar experiences.. over the last few years.

Otis Wright

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Re: Enabled. from K10D to k5

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I use a short loop of bright colored fine nylon twine through one of the 
strap rings on the camera  for this purpose.  It was a quick emergency 
solution made in the field some years ago --- while under a lot of 
pressure and picking up the wrong camera was becoming a really 
annoyance.It worked well enough that the loop is still there.


Otis

On 5/5/2011 5:45 AM, sky wrote:

On Thu, 5 May 2011 01:55:58 -0700, Larry Colen wrote:


Congratulations.
For the IDing, just set the file names to the the two different cameras to each 
of your initials.
On May 5, 2011, at 1:54 AM, sky wrote:

Mighty fine idea. Thanks.
Now need an external quick ID.
Maybe put a huge scratch in hers :P...

James





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Re: Which is the preferred battery charger

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On 12/12/2010 12:43 PM, John Francis wrote:

I'd suggest taking a look at whatever Thomas Distributing are
selling this week at a good prace - LaCrosse, MAHA, etc.

I've been using a MH-C401FS as well; it's worked flawlessly for
the last eight or more years (since before I bought my *ist-D),
keeping my aging stock of rechargeables working (many of which
are also eight years old).  It also handles the Eneloop hybrids,
which apparently have slightly different charging requirements.

If I were buying another charger today, though, I'd take a look
at the MAHA 9000, which looks as though it might be an upgrade.


On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 07:03:50AM -0500, Michael Beacom wrote:

My favorite is the MAHA  MH-C401FS charger. It has 4 independent
charging circuits for AA and AAA batteries, and it conditions the
batteries too.
http://www.mahaenergy.com/store/item.asp?idproduct=178

Cheers
Mike


On Dec 11, 2010, at 6:03 AM, Larry Colen wrote:


The charger that seems to work best with my AA hybrids is starting
to get a bit flaky.  There was a discussion a couple weeks back on
the subject of chargers and I thought i saved it, but can't find
it.
What is the battery charger that is so highly recommended?

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I have the MAHA 401FS, Lacrosse BC900, and MAHA C9000.   All have worked 
very well.  No complaints/problems with any of them.  The latter two are 
excellent for sorting out older sets of cells ---  have not had any of 
the reported overheating problems with them.   My go to unit is the 
401fs simply because its is small,  simple/quick to use, and seems to 
have a good charge algorithm.Both MAHA units take 12v, which is a 
plus for me.  I often forget to recharge/top-off my batteries before a 
field trip and it helps to be able set up a set or two in the car on the 
way to wherever.


Otis Wright


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Re: monitors

[Otis Wright]

I've been running  two Dell ultrasharp models  on my computers for some 
years now.  Currently running two 2209s.  Have had good luck with the 
Dell units.   Will probably add two 24-inch units next year and 
upgrading system to 4 displays.   Any one care to share experience with 
more the two displays on their system?


Otis Wright

On 12/1/2010 7:40 AM, Gasha wrote:


I'm sitting at front of DELL U2410 (portrait oriented), and think that 
it is great. Not cheap, however.

There are newer models around, with better performance.

Gasha

Tim Bray wrote:

Yeah, I bought the same NEC that James Duncan Davidson recommended:
http://www.necdisplay.com/products/product/?product=1713e080-c8e3-4aab-9447-73dacb301b84 



Trouble is, this thing makes your pictures look better than they
really are.  And these high-accuracy NEC screens ain't cheap.

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Re: Hawaii, anyone

[Otis Wright]

Always enjoyed Kapalua, but we always seemed to have a better time of it 
at the Royal Hawaiian  on Waikiki.


Enjoy.

Otis Wright

On 11/18/2010 5:51 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

I'll be there is January, but in Maui, not Honolulu (thank god).

Dan

On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 3:40 PM, Collin Brendemuehl
coll...@brendemuehl.net  wrote:

http://honolulu.craigslist.org/oah/pho/2029424389.html

Sincerely,

Collin Brendemuehl
http://kerygmainstitute.org

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Re: GESO: Moose

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 On 10/8/2010 10:46 PM, steve harley wrote:

On 2010-10-08 20:26 , Bob Sullivan wrote:

Last time we went to Maine, we looked in vain for moose among the
fall colors.
This time we found some, up close and personal.


what fun!

17 summers and 6 full years in Maine and i never saw a moose; my folks
moved a few miles up-river to Moose Hill after i left home and in 14
years there they never saw a moose; took me until a hike in northern
Colorado to see one (they are imported, not native to CO)


First 17 years in Maine (Aroostook County) and lots of moose.

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Re: 1940s US photos

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 On 7/31/2010 6:04 AM, Sandy Harris wrote:

A link to these turned up elsewhere, seemed worth passing on:
http://blogs.denverpost.com/captured/2010/07/26/captured-america-in-color-from-1939-1943/


Thank you, Sandy.

I grew up about 5-10 miles from locations shown in pictures 4 and 5.   
Picked spuds and hauled loads to starch factories -- although not the 
one in the picture.


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Re: The State of The List

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On 6/13/2010 5:06 AM, Carlos R wrote:

Ditto

mike wilson escribió:

Doug Brewer wrote:


I love The List, though, and I want to remain somewhat relevant. So 
I'm going to add, assuming I get permission from our hosting 
company, a paypal donate button to the pdml.net home page. 


What a bargain.  Feel free to use any excess for personal needs; no 
notice required.







Likewise on all counts.

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Re: BH

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I agree.  I place an order or two with them each month and they have 
always been helpful and deliveries have been timely---sometimes 
amazingly so.  Don't remember any unannounced late deliveries.  I have 
found goods arrive well packed.  I don't recall any DOA events.  

Otis Wright
Cotty wrote:
On 12/12/04, Peter Smekal, discombobulated, unleashed:
 

Hi all,
just wanted to hear your opinion about BH. Is their service comparable
with KEH's (which I think is very, very good when it comes to reliability,
speed, friendlyness and the like)?
Peter, Sweden
   

I have purchased from B and H quite a few times now - and they have been
excellent. Sometimes I buy and they send to me here in England, other
times I buy and they send to my friend in NY, or she pops in and
collects. If they ship to an address that is not the billing address,
they require more security checks but that is admirable.
Get past the typical New Yorker 'yeah waddya want' approach and they're
great. I even crack jokes with them and they laugh just like real people ;-)

Cheers,
 Cotty
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Re: Scanner: which one?

[Otis Wright]

8400F is about US$140 at BHPHOTO.. in NYC.   Anyone using the 
more expensive 9950F?

Otis Wright
Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote:
Thibs wrote on 08.12.04 8:34:
 

I'm looking for a scanner.
I'm very budget limited so it'll probably be flatbed one.
I know Canon do affordable (almost) flatbeds with film back.
Of course it is nowhere near a film scanner but I do not expect it to.
I absolutely need a normal scanner. Film one may follow if budget does too.
Any clue? Canon? Epson?
   

I have just bought Canon 8400F which can scan 12 frames of 35mm strips, 4
mounted transpariences or 1 frame of 120 film. It has FARE Level 3 (Canon's
equivalent of ICE, GEM and ROC), so no more problems with scratches and
dust, 3200 dpi optical resolution and high power, moving fluorescent lamp,
which usually gives better final results than fixed ones with all-surface
lighting. It was about 250 Euro in Poland including VAT, so not that
expensive.
 

Re: Boxes for batteries

[Otis Wright]

Doug Franklin wrote:
Hi Jens,
On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 14:15:27 +0200, Jens Bladt wrote:
 

Do any of you know where to get a little box for batteries? Plastic
or cardboard material. Disposeable/use-once or long lasting.
   

How about just taking sets of two, four, whatever, batteries and
wrapping them in clingy plastic food wrap, like Saran Wrap in the US. 
I don't know what it'd be called in other countries or languages, but
it's the stuff you use to cover a bowl of leftover food before you put
it back in the refrigerator.

TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
Yuk!   I'm sure it would work in a PINCH.  But for day-to-day use, I'll 
let youn play with the wrap and I'll stick with the boxes are light and 
super convenient --- and cheap

Otis Wright.

Re: Anybody still using an external (analog) lightmeter

[Otis Wright]

Three Norwood Directors around here somewhere plus one or two stripped 
down for parts.   One went successfully through calibration a  couple 
of  years ago.  Works just fine.   Keep them mostly for the memories --- 
first one came into the family  in 1949 --- for use with the vacation 
film camera (Spotmatic Fs and ESIIs) kit.   Day-to-day a Sekonic L-508 
carries the load for the very few requirements that arise with digital 
cameras these days.  Hard to beat the info in the histograms. 

Otis Wright
Keith Whaley wrote:

Frantisek wrote:
Thursday, August 26, 2004, 11:29:27 PM, Markus wrote:
MM This is my second post...
MM I got a Gossen Sixtar 2 meter for $5 and wonder, how good the 
metering
MM actually will be compared to the camera metering.
MM I need to replace the batteries before I can test it, but welcome 
any
MM comments from the group :-)
MM Is anybody here still using hand metering and if yes, when?

Dunno about your Sixtar, I don't know that model.
Still metering with my L398, it's a trusty tool. When? Whenever 
situation
calls for incident metering :)

Hah! How about my trusty L-28c2?  NO batteries!  g
I use it when my subject is in drastically different light than my 
camera's in. If I can.
Such as when I'm standing in full sunlight, and my subject is under a 
tree being shaded.
Get out my Sekonic and put the hood on the lens...

Good light!
   fra

keith whaley

Re: OT: Manfrotto Monopod enabled (334B)

[Otis Wright]

graywolf wrote:
I am always reading this, you don't need a head on a monopod thing.
I do not agree.
Understand.However, I have yet to need one.  I like the simplicity 
of just the monopod (nice walking stick :-\ ), and for what I do, it  
works just fine without a head.   Have looked at heads from time to 
time, but on the theory it woiuld just sit on my shelf with a lot of 
other toys I don't use, I haven't picked one up yet!

Regards,
Otis Wright

Re: Film vs Digita, was: lRe: Pentax is Dying?

[Otis Wright]

Hmmm what?   What did you expect?   What did you find?  What does it 
mean.   Or, are we just putting out text these days?

Otis Wright
Chris Stoddart wrote:
Herb Chong wrote:
 

in Japan, digital cameras have approached saturation and either this
year or next, most digital camera sales will be replacing an older
digital camera.
   

This I can well believe simply from eyeing up the Japanese tourists in
London. So out of interest and in a spirit of bloody mindedness I typed
'C41 process Tokyo' into google. A quick amble through the hits turns up
quite a few labs or chains of labs there willing to process your film.
Interesting, hmmm?
Chris

 

Re: Film vs Digita, was: lRe: Pentax is Dying?

[Otis Wright]

Notice anything of note, interest, etc. in the profile of those bringing 
in memory cards, etc. for printing?

Otis Wright
Bill Owens wrote:
Not so.  Those consumers who used to bring film in for processing are now
bringing in memory cards for us to print, and those prints are basically the
same cost as film prints and are on the same paper.
Bill
- Original Message - 
From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 1:32 PM
Subject: Re: Film vs Digita, was: lRe: Pentax is Dying?

 

Bill, we understand your worry. Your job is on the line. I would suggest
   

your
 

local government agency that retrains folks for new jobs, except that from
   

my
 

experience they will only retrain you for another obsolete about to go
   

down the
 

drain of progress job.
Something to think about though, there are still blacksmiths out there,
   

still
 

making a living.
--
William Robb wrote:
   

- Original Message - 
From: Vic
Subject: Re: Film vs Digita, was: lRe: Pentax is Dying?


 

I know what you are saying but I think everyone here is
   

overreacting. Calm
 

down, there are too many cameras out there that shoot film for film
   

to go away
 

any time soon...
   

I assure you, I am quite calm, and only somewhat enebriated.
What part of processing is down 50% over last year dis you miss?
A year ago I was processing upwards of 700 rolls per day on a normal
day.
This year, a busy day is 400 rolls, average is closer to 300.
Every one I talk to is in the same boat.
Where I live, another small player that wasn't able to adapt to
digital processing went tits up just a few weeks ago.
Define soon
William Robb

 

--
graywolf
http://graywolfphoto.com/graywolf.html
   


 

Re: Film vs Digita, was: lRe: Pentax is Dying?

[Otis Wright]

Market, maybe.  You might want to thing about the fact that this is a 
mature industry with large plants working on small per unit margins.   
Plants wear out.   As the volume drops, I suspect it will be very 
difficult to obtain the funds that are needed to keep the factory  form 
the banker who has alternate options with better return.   Soon, if 
not already, requests and plans for significant investment will the 
naturally tainted and for sure, quite thoroughly question.   When these 
large plants go stop making film, the quantum impact in the marketplace 
is likely to a rather quick significant adjustment that has is to a 
large extent independent of the shape of the damned curve.   Just my two 
cents..

Otis Wright
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So much for demand side economics.
William Robb
William you could be right. Film may go away sooner than I realize. It may 
shoot up in price because fewer people are using it. But I don't think the 
market' is that simple. I expect it to be much like the stock market UNPREDICTABLE 
(and I like to think of myself as a contrarian rather than a Lemming). If 
Kodak and Fuji want to keep selling film they will find cheaper ways to produce 
it. That may mean less choice. But I don't need 10-20 different types of film. 
I need a good slow speed film, medium and semi-fast in chrome and print. 
Define Soon you ask? I don't know what soon is. I think if I want to shoot 
film in 10 years I will be able to at a reasonable cost. I don't think the 
corner drug store will necessarily be offering film processing, but do we really 
want to bring our film to corner drug stores anyway?
I could be completely wrong. In five years I may be sitting on some very 
expensive paperweights. What bothers me is that the people who are pushing d
igital-is-the-future, write about it as if they know the future. They've figured the 
whole thing out. Sheesh, I hope they're buying stocks in this digital stuff.
P.S. -I am not anti-digital. I own a Canon digital point and shoot camera. I 
THINK IT IS GREAT. When I think I need a digital SLR I will buy it. I work at 
a major daily newspaper where the photogs have used digital Nikons for many 
years. They are incredibly useful in the fast-paced world of photojournalism. 
But that's not a world many of US live in. We may think we do, but waiting an 
hour or a day to get film back is rarely going to cost us anything but 
inconvenience... 
I know many will not agree with me. I don't like going on an on about a 
subject that has no real answer (yet) so this is my last word for now on the 
subject. 
Thanks
Vic 
PS. sorry for the longish post...

 

Re: Pentax is Dying

[Otis Wright]

And, when is this supposed to happen?   I hear all these promises about 
how good its going to be...  you know the rest of the 
story..

Otis Wright
Herb Chong wrote:
that's not what they are telling shareholders in Japan. they are saying that
moving to high end PS and DSLRs are where they hope to boost total market
share.
Herb
- Original Message - 
From: Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 6:29 PM
Subject: Re: Pentax is Dying

 

I've been told (by Pentax distributors) that Pentax have no plans of
   

meeting demand for the *istD. Maybe the same is the case for the DA lenses
(at least initially)?

 

Re: Email delivery problems with the PDML(was OT: Non-Microsoft browsers are most secure choice)

[Otis Wright]

In my humble opinion, this list is tops in service compared to others I 
participate in.   I second Dan's comments without reservation.

Otis Wright.
Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
I, for one, have had no problems with this list, although there have 
been problems from time to time on other lists to which I belong.  We 
owe a huge debt of gratitude to those who sent up and run this list 
and the PUG.

Bill Owens wrote:
Seems odd to me that the only one of nearly 600 subscribers complaining
about this issue is you.  Have you given any thought to the idea that 
maybe
the problem is at your end?
 

Re: Bye ...

[Otis Wright]

Shel,
I have always enjoyed you photographs and as a rank amateur, the 
thoughtful assistance you have so frequently  provided.  

Enjoy your vacation and return soon.
Wishing you well
Otis Wright
Paul Sorenson wrote:
Shel -
I'm mostly a lurker with not a lot of participation in the back and forth
commentary, but...I've always  been impressed with the thoughtful comments
you have made and have enjoyed the photos you have posted.  Your street
photography offers visual commentary on the human condition (however that
is interpreted).  I've always considered you a large part of this list, so -
enjoy your vacation, but don't stay away.  You will be missed.
Paul
- Original Message - 
From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 9:19 AM
Subject: Bye ...

 

Time for me to move on.  Have a long vacation coming up in a few days and
   

I
 

probably won't return to the list for quite some time.  Frankly, I don't
feel much a part of things here ... so, thanks to all who've been helpful.
I hope I've been able to help or influence one or two people in a positive
way.  Be good, boys and girls ... Ciao.
Shel

   


 

OT: Way OT: Silk Screen Photomasters

[Otis Wright]

I would like to establish contact with someone (located in US or Canada) 
who is experienced in the handling of photomasters for silk-screen 
printing in a production environment.   Please respond off list to URL 
below.

Thanks in advance.
Otis Wright
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: OT: Space Ship One

[Otis Wright]

Peter J. Alling wrote:
The Bell X-1 was based on the shape of a supersonic bullet.  It was 
used because it was simple and the engineers knew
it would travel faster than sound.  Sometimes a technology can't be 
improved upon. 
Except on this list where all things can be improved upon for an 
excellent return on investment ...

Otis Wright
frank theriault wrote:
Yeah,
I thought the same thing, Dario.
Mind you, the nostalgia thing is rampant in automobile styling and 
marketing these days, isn't it?  The new Mini, the VW Beetle, the 
Ford Thunderbird, the Chrysler PT Cruiser, etc, etc.  Why not 
spaceships?

I thought its fuselage looked like the Bell X 1 (the one that Chuck 
Yeager broke the sound barrier in), especially the tapered nose with 
the needle.

Like you, I was a bit taken aback by the whole thing.
cheers,
frank
The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The 
pessimist fears it is true.  -J. Robert Oppenheimer



From: Dario Bonazza [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: OT: Space Ship One
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 21:16:57 +0200
Don't you find the SpaceShipOne to resemble SciFi movies and book
covers of the Fifties or older?
That spindle shape, all those portholes, not to speak of the blue 
starlets
here and there...
To me, it looks like a naive design, very different from what I 
expected
from current technology.

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Re: OT: SpaceShipOne

[Otis Wright]

Keith Whaley wrote:

Gary Sibio wrote:
At 01:41 PM 6/21/2004, you wrote:
That is great news! Now maybe space exploration and exploitation 
will replace government publicity programs. Nah! They will just 
regulate it to death.


While I believe that some government regulation will be necessary to 
ensure public safety, I'm all for shutting down NASA and let the 
private sector handle it. Our space program started off as a pissing 
contest with the USSR and the shuttle is twenty years old. How many 
of us drive a car anywhere near that old. 

Neither do any of our cars cost in excess of $20,000,000.
Yes, let's DO be realistic...
Keith whaley

Yes, and 20 years is not too surprising for an airframe.   I believe 
the f-14 first flew in 1970.  As I recall, it is still doing quite 
nicely.  Cars maintained to the standards applied to airframes would 
last a long, long time.   Amazing  how misinformation gets mixed in to 
support otherwise quite valid opinions.  NASA does seem to be without a 
mission, but it would be most interesting to see watch the political 
antics associated with shutting it down.  My guess is that the space 
station is not going to do well either. 

However, the games played to avoid closing down military bases are 
nothing compared to what would be involved in shutting down major 
portions of NASA.  I had a prof in college who often said  that the 
major problem with creating major government agencies, programs, etc., 
is that never get shut down when the've completed thier mission.  Seems 
like we have quite a few candidates for proving that one.
Unfortunately, I can't remember which prof it was that said that, which 
may indicate that I'm coming up on the end of my mission.Keep smiling

Otis Wright

The private sector has also benefitted from the space program so let 
them put their money up front.

Gary J Sibio

Re: OT: Strewth (was Re: Tan's Travelogue

[Otis Wright]

Every time I see this, it for some reason reminds me of the Stoned Crow, 
a wine bar in Crows Nest (Sydney).   Anyone happen to  know if it is 
still in business?

Otis Wright
Malcolm Smith wrote:
Cotty wrote:
 

What about 'stone the crows' ??
Why crows?
   

http://www.quinion.com/words/qa/qa-sto1.htm
Malcolm

 

Re: Traveller's questions

[Otis Wright]

Gonz wrote:

Tanya Mayer Photography wrote:
Boris,

BTW, it totally sucks shooting on commercial airline.  The windows 
are two
layers, and made of this plasticky stuff.  There is usually 
fingerprints and
scratches and stuff all over them.  I always take some nappy wipes 
(you know
the wet alcohol clothes that you buy to clean a baby's bottom) with 
me and
clean the window with those first before trying to shoot anything.
 

Not only that, but they (the plasticky windows) seem to do some type 
of polarization also.  Its very weak, but if you have a polarizing 
filter on your lens, you get strange effects. 

Suppose that is why pilots aren't supposed to wear polarized 
sunglasses..

Otis

Hope this is of some help,
tan.
-Original Message-
From: Boris Liberman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 16 June 2004 5:20 AM
To: PDML
Subject: Traveller's questions
Hi!
Later this summer I am going to be travelling. I have some questions
(how can I not? g)
1. Is photography officially allowed inside the airport buildings?
2. Is photography officially allowed on the planes?
I am thinking of likes of ME Super, M 50/1.4 for possible low light
and some 400 ASA film, probably b/w
What d'you say?
BOris


 

Re: What battery for the Spotmatic F

[Otis Wright]

A year or so ago, I found some mercury cells on the web and bought a 
handful of them.  Forget the URL, unfortunately.  I have also used the 
1.5 volt alkalines and observed no difference. 

Otis Wright.
Hal  Sandra Davis wrote:
Last time we looked for SpotF batteries the only option was the Wein Air
batteries. please update if any of you have found atternatives.
- Original Message - 
From: Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 6:38 AM
Subject: Re: What battery for the Spotmatic F

 

Lewis Matthew wrote:
   

Hello,
what kind of battery does the Spotmatic F require?
Arnold
   

Accoirding to my reference, the Spotmatic F requires an EPX625 or EPX13.
These are mercury batteries. Funny, I don't recall that my years ago
SP-F used these. Is my reference sheet right?
Best,
Lewis
 

Hi Lewis,
This has been thoroughly covered many times before on this list, but
since I don't know what reference you are using, in looking at my
Spotmatic F factory-issued owner's manual, it says, on page 10, titled
Mercury Batteries -- For replacement, use Mallory PX-625 or Everady
[sic] E-625N or equivalent.
While I cannot speak about any EPX batteries, from lack of personal
experience, the various alkaline batteries recommended earlier in this
thread are certainly okay for replacement use in the Spotty F.
keith whaley
   


 

Re: Platinum Prints

[Otis Wright]

Commercial platinum paper background at this site may be on interest  to 
you -- if you haven't already read it,

http://photography.about.com/library/glossary/bldef_platinum.htm
Unfortunately, I didn't see any listing of current sources for 
commercial materials.

Otis Wright
Shel Belinkoff wrote:
I'd like to explore making platinum prints.  Looking about the net some
information was found.  Couldn't find anything about pre-coated paper for
making platinum prints.  Is there such a thing?  Where might it be found?
Shel Belinkoff

 

Re: OT - Music on the Road

[Otis Wright]

So far, I've found a good quality set of headphones more satisfactory 
than speakers suitable for travel.   Friend has devise that allows use 
of more than one set of headsets while maintaining impedance match for  
player -- forget the brand. Just my experience.  In my opinion, IPOD and 
the like are great travel/walking/outdoor event companions.

Otis Wright
Shel Belinkoff wrote:
Hi Gang 
Call me slow, but I just discovered how easy it is to copy CD's to the hard
drive using the Win Media Player.  It's pretty much all automatic, and it
astounds me how much info is on the disk.  This opens the door to copying
music to some sort of portable device for use in the car and while
travelling.  What sorts of devices, apart from an iPod, can be used for
this purpose?  Does MP3 or MP4 (that's the format, right?) sound pretty
good compared to a home system or a good sound system on the computer? 
What do you do for speakers on the road? 

Thanks for any help or suggestions.  

Shel Belinkoff

 

Re: Implications for Film (storage opinions)

[Otis Wright]

No matter which media you prefer, keeping your data all in one location 
or on one media system carries a risk that I would prefer to avoid.   
Just my opinion based on the dozen or so catastrophic data loss 
occurrences I deal with each year.   Personally, I'm quite impressed 
with auto-backup\archiving systems that distribute archives to multiple 
sites from which at least one copy is removed from the system/network to 
avoid programmed destruction.   Have seen some of these systems 
withstand some pretty nasty hits with not much more than a momentary 
stutter.   Expensive, but seems to be one of the better solutions---at 
least from my experience.

Otis Wright
Shawn K. wrote:
Well Rob, from what I've heard the government uses hard drives to archive
information.  Seriously, quality hard drives are simply the best storage
option.  If you have a RAID array, the chances of having such a catastrophic
failure that all your data is lost are next to zero...  Although, there are
other ways to lose data, such as to a virus...  I simply don't trust the
optical writeable media.  CD's can become unreadable without you knowing it,
even when stored properly.  (I haven't used the writeable DVD's so I can't
comment on their longevity.)  I have had cd's that were guaranteed to last
90 years go bad after 2 years.  They were kept on my desk on a spindle, some
of the disks at the bottom of the spindle went bad, oh well.  I didn't lose
anything important thankfully...  Another thing, if a hard drive breaks
down, the data CAN be recovered, if a CD goes bad, the data is GONE,
basically the marks made by the laser in the ink slowly fade away...  I find
that disturbing, better to keep it all on a nice SCSI hard drive.
-Shawn
-Original Message-
From: Rob Studdert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 6:48 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Implications for Film (storage opinions)
On 25 May 2004 at 14:11, Shawn K. wrote:
 

Storing data on multiple hard-drives is the best way to go IMO...
   

Actually,
 

having a networked computer working as a dedicated server with a RAID
   

array is
 

the best way to archive anything.  Yes, it's expensive... ish..  I built a
   

P3
 

950 from almost nothing for about 250 dollars and I have it networked
   

right now.
 

I need to spend about 400 more to get a nice RAID array for redundancy
   

purposes
 

and then I'll pretty much be set for 10 years or so...
   

Hmm, I've got pretty much what you're aiming for, a dual PIII 800 server
with
mirror set and large RAID 5 array tethered via 1Gb networking on a large
extended power UPS and I still feel jittery until my new data has found its
way
onto DVD media and is locked away. I expect that the machine will be good
for
quite some years to come but I still expect to run out of storage capacity
well
before the machine fails. However optical media is my preferred archive
option,
I never view on-line data as archive regardless of how robust the system is.
Drives are pretty robust if the cooling is adequate, the box this one
recently
replaced was a dual PPro200 and it had been in continuous service without
any
failures for over seven years. It contained s RAID consisting of a set of
4GB
Seagate Barracuda FW SCSI drives, they still all work fine but their small
capacity pretty much makes them redundant.
Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
 

Re: Implications for Film (storage opinions)

[Otis Wright]

The government is a bit broad and unless you understand a the risk and 
recovery considerations for a particular system, the merits and 
application of the approach used by any particular group is not easily 
assessed.   I am always careful with government approaches as they tend 
to serve a different value system than that faced by most of us in our 
own business ventures.  In most government environments, if a 
catastrophic loss of data occurs, quite often,  few if any are 
penalized, and no matter what the financial hit there is no real 
financial penalty to the operation of the organization as there almost 
often is in industry.   This environment does not necessarily lead to 
practices and procedures that you would want to implement to protect 
your own at-risk assets --- just my experience.

Otis Wright
Shawn K. wrote:
Alright, lets just say I know someone in the government and this someone
says that the government uses hard drives...  The NSA also uses hard drives
that's fairly common knowledge as many geeks are aware and admire that they
built their file server on a special foundation to absorb the ultra low
frequency vibrations emanating from the earth
-Shawn
-Original Message-
From: Rob Studdert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 8:29 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Implications for Film (storage opinions)
On 25 May 2004 at 19:08, Shawn K. wrote:
 

Well Rob, from what I've heard the government uses hard drives to archive
information.  Seriously, quality hard drives are simply the best storage
option.  If you have a RAID array, the chances of having such a
   

catastrophic
 

failure that all your data is lost are next to zero...
   

Who knows what the government uses. What I know that during my period in
the
industry I saw many array failures, from controller failures to lightening
strikes and actual media failure of a series of drives due to manufacturing
errors.
 

CD's can become unreadable without you knowing it, even when
stored properly.  (I haven't used the writeable DVD's so I can't comment
   

on
 

their longevity.)  I have had cd's that were guaranteed to last 90 years
   

go bad
 

after 2 years.
   

The archives from last moth with reveal a smorgasbord of information
concerning
this very topic from users with much experience many with contrary opinions.
Check the threads CD Storage and CD-R lifetimes disputed
Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
 

Re: Implications for Film (storage opinions)

[Otis Wright]

Speaking of  Canberra, seem to recall some very interesting systems at 
CSIRO's Black Mountain Complex.  Still exist?

Otis Wright
Rob Studdert wrote:
On 25 May 2004 at 19:41, Shawn K. wrote:
 

Alright, lets just say I know someone in the government and this someone
says that the government uses hard drives...  The NSA also uses hard drives
that's fairly common knowledge as many geeks are aware and admire that they
built their file server on a special foundation to absorb the ultra low
frequency vibrations emanating from the earth
   

OK you win, stuff the practicalities.
Try to remember that this is an international list too, ie the government is 
located in Canberra.

Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
 

Re: New Pentax DSLR's?

[Otis Wright]

Seems like a bit of stretch.  Cos. don't tend to chase near term low ROI 
based on fuzzy long-term rationale  Owners/shareholders/investors don't 
seem to reward such behavior.  If a low ROI line is profitable, they 
might keep it around until it requires more investment to keep the line 
open, upgrade the product, etc. if its not otherwise detracting from 
higher ROI products.  At least that has been my, product line mgt. 
experience

Otis Wright.
Shawn K. wrote:
Hi,
Not trying to be argumentative but it just occurred to me, that as you
stated earlier, there are still a variety of world markets where film is
dominant.  So it still might be in Pentax's interest to do everything they
can to gain a foothold in those markets by releasing a high-end SLR.
-Shawn
-Original Message-
From: Dr. Heiko Hamann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2004 1:48 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: New Pentax DSLR's?

I don't think, that Pentax will make the needed investments into the
development of a new high-end SLR. I would rather expect a high-end
DSLR. Maybe Photokina?
Cheers, Heiko
 

Re: OT: Hackers

[Otis Wright]

Yup!   We were there.  Had a great time 

Otis Wright
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Let me assure you that there were hackers at MIT in the early '60s, long before there 
were personal computers or viruses.  Hacking was a form of recreation that often 
encompassed acomplishing things that were technically involved, challenging, and 
slightly illegal.  Think about hacking the phone system or putting a replica of a 
Police Car with flashing lights and donuts on top of the Great Dome.
Regards,  Bob S.
John Francis writes:
 

D. Glenn Arthur Jr. wrote:
   

Shawn K. wrote:
 

*cough* Don't argue semantics with me!!  You know, HACK is a derogatory term
and so is hacker in its origin.
   

Too late, I am arguing (though in the interest of neither boring nor
annoying the rest of the list, I'll try to drop the parts that will
soon become repetetive because each of us refuses to change our usage,
and after your next public reply, we can argue more loudly _offlist_
if we both decide we're interested enough in continuing the argument
(but my guess is that simply making clear exactly where each of us
stands will suffice for now)).
The problem is that the noun in question is the name of a subculture
(and it _is_ a subculture) that I identify with and hang out with.
So I've got a stake in this.
 

In support of this position, the M.I.T. A.I. lab routinely used the
term hacker in the positive sense.  In fact the introduction to AIM 239
(better known as HAKMEM) says, in part:
Here is some little known data which may be of interest to computer
hackers.  The items and examples are so sketchy that to decipher them
may require more sincerity and curiosity than a non-hacker can muster.
I'm sure HAKMEM is available on the web by now, but I'm looking at
an original copy I was given (by Mike Beeler) when I 
visited the lab in the 1970s while I was working for DEC.
   


 

Re: OT: Hackers

[Otis Wright]

Maybe just wearing it well.
Otis Wright
Norm Baugher wrote:
Bob, you're showing your age...
norm
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Let me assure you that there were hackers at MIT in the early '60s, 
long before there were personal computers or viruses.  Hacking was a 
form of recreation that often encompassed acomplishing things that 
were technically involved, challenging, and slightly illegal.  Think 
about hacking the phone system or putting a replica of a Police Car 
with flashing lights and donuts on top of the Great Dome.

Re: VS: NEW_PUG - questions

[Otis Wright]

I guess so   Oooops found  Scotch Whisky  in MW's book of 
words.   Maybe you should publish your book
of words.  Knew you had trouble with right and wrong.  Didn't know 
it had progressed this far.

Otis

Keith Whaley wrote:

That won't be the first instance of their being wrong that they've 
made...
And, if they say Scotch Whiskey IS correct, they're wrong!

keith

Otis Wright wrote:

Random House Dictionary says there is.  Not shortage of experts 
here

Have another drink and go back to sleep.  It won't matter in the 
morning...

Otis Wright

Nick Clark wrote:

There's no such thing as scotch whiskey!

Nick

-Original Message-
   From: Mark Roberts[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: 12/04/04 15:48:41
   Well *I'm* setting up a mailing list dedicated to racing 
motorcycles,
   beer, scotch whiskey and politics.
   

 

Re: VS: NEW_PUG - questions

[Otis Wright]

Now that makes sense...   Especially, to one whose spelling 
skills are non existent.

Otis

William Robb wrote:

- Original Message - 
From: Otis Wright 
Subject: Re: VS: NEW_PUG - questions

 

Random House Dictionary says there is.  Not shortage of experts 
here

   

The Scots spell it whisky. I got called out on it a while back.

William Robb

 

Re: OT:Parcel delivery.

[Otis Wright]

Malcolm Smith wrote:

frank theriault wrote:

 

Well, Malcolm, you're right.  The culture of I just want 
this off my desk 
should change.  Problem, it's not so easy a fix as one might 
think.  With the advent of computers, receptionists must now 
be much more than a pretty face to smile at the business men 
who walk in the door.
   

Any company that wants culture change, has to have this desire from the very
top of the organisation. It has to accept that many of the things being done
are wrong, without slapping blame everywhere.
Not WRONG.  Please.   Just things that can be done better--- sometimes 
much much better -- if someone will stop telling people they are doing 
WRONG. :-P

Otis Wright

Re: Ignoring:PS colour -3 choices ?

[Otis Wright]

Are there any good detailed reference texts on color management  that 
you would recommend.

Thanks in advance.

Otis Wright

Herb Chong wrote:

not necessary. it is necessay to enable color management by having a chosen
working space in Photoshop and converting everything that is tagged with a
known color space to that one on input. if a file isn't tagged with a color
space and it's from a digital camera, you can assume that it is sRGB. sRGB
is an IEC standard. the different types of sRGB given by a camera are to
tell it how to modify the captured color before saving in sRGB in the file
on the memory card. if your camera supports it, Adobe RGB is a wider gamut
color space and gives better results when printing although it looks flatter
on the screen. if this is the case, your working space in Photoshop should
be Adobe RGB. if it isn't your working space should be sRGB. one of the
problems with Paintshop Pro is that ir assumes sRGB and provides no means to
map from anything else to sRGB. another is that it provides no means to
perform even a rough calibration of your monitor. if you can calibrate your
monitor independently of Paintshop Pro, it can do proper color management on
printing. Photoshop Elements and Picture Window Pro are two of the lower end
programs that do adequate color management for display while you are
working.
Herb...
- Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 2:35 AM
Subject: Re: Ignoring:PS colour -3 choices ?

 

So it's best then if you can have the camera color space set to the same
color space as PS? And would sRBG on a camera be the same as sRBG in a
   

Photoshop?
 

(Hope that's the right color space acronym.) Is it standardized enough to
   

be
 

the same? Or about the same?
   



 

Re: Australia and Pentax - frustration (whinge)

[Otis Wright]

graywolf wrote:

Pentax USA has the policy that if they can not put the camera back to 
factory specs, and sometimes that means they are out of only one part, 
they will return it as unrepairable. That is a decision made by their 
lawyers for liability reasons. That does mean that while they will no 
longer repair a camera they may still have the parts in stock you need 
to do it yourself.

I do agree that charging someone to tell them they won't fix it is 
pretty unfriendly. I have not heard of Pentax USA doing that except 
for shipping and handling. And if you called first they would have 
told you they no longer repair that model, in fact they have a list of 
all the cameras they no longer repair on their website. 
Not unreasonable for them to charge if  you know what the deal is up 
front.   I send a lot of older equipment in to places that charge a 
minimum fee to check if equipment is repairable  -- if it is the fee 
usally goes agains the repair charge.   If not, they charge me for their 
time to look at the equipment, which I find acceptable.  I don't see why 
someone should work for nothing.  Someone sooner or later is going 
to pay for that time.  There are no free rides, beliefs of this list 
notwithstanding.  What am I missing   What is so unfriendly about 
getting paid for ones effort..

Otis Wright



--

Peter J. Alling wrote:

That's not so bad.  I had a local camera shop send an X to a local 
authorized Pentax repair depot.  It needed to
have it's hot shoe re-attached.  I even supplied all the parts.  
Other than the missing hot shoe the camera although
nicely brassed worked flawlessly.  It was returned unrepairable due 
to lack of parts.  Missing the parts I supplied!
Their handling included bending the shutter release just enough to 
keep the meter from turning off and denting the
prism housing.  For this special treatment I was charged the $20.00 
deposit to get the camera returned.  On top of
this when I complained to the shop owner they refused to take any 
responsibility or action giving me the phone number
of the repair dept. so I could complain directly.  I'll not be going 
back there again and advise all my friends and acquaintances
to tear clear.  At least the ME Super wasn't any worse when it came 
back.

mason wrote:


camera shop and had it promptly returned as a no fix due to 
unavailability of
parts at a cost of AU$50. The simple fact is that it has a dodgy 
ratchet on the

Rob Studdert






I think it is very unfair to charge for letting you know that the 
work cannot be done. Please do not tell me that the technician spent 
5 minutes on it and someone has to pay for it.

I have met (unfortunately) some people who prey on others by 
charging them for every second of their lack of professionalism. 
They charge by the hour and they couldn't care less if it takes them 
1h or 5h to work it out.  I think you should pay per job. If someone 
is incompetent enough to spend 4h on a 20min job - IT SHOULD BE 
THEIR PROBLEM, not a huge bill for the client!

   (*)o(*) 
Robert
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: My own DOF confusion

[Otis Wright]

A hearty second from here..

Otis Wright

Keith Whaley wrote:

Good, safe answer, Anders!

Thanks for the history lesson.

keith whaley

Anders Hultman wrote:

On Wed, 24 Mar 2004, Tanya Mayer Photography wrote:


This may seem uneducated of me - but I here you all saying i'm 
right of
centre, he's left, left winged, right winged etc, can someone 
please
explain to me just what these terms mean?


This dates back to the French parliament of 1789 where the radicals that
wanted to change society towards more equality and freedom sat to the 
left
as seen from the rostrum, and the conservatives that wanted to maintain
the old system sat to the right. Since then, liberal politics has been
labeled left and conservative politics has been labeled right.

In the mid 19th century, an even more radical ideology was formed,
socialism, to the left of the then current left. This blurred the
left--right concept somewhat, since the liberals then became middle or
even right. The left--right concept became even more blurred in the
1930's when fascism and nazism was placed off the scale to the right
(extreme right) even though many people think that they have more in
common with the communists on the extreme left (left of the 
socialists) than with the conservatives traditionally labeled right.

Nowadays, it can be hard to determine what should be called left and
right and there also are big differences within each side, so one 
should
generally ask for clarification when these terms are used. Especially in
an international context such as this.

anders
-
http://anders.hultman.nu/
med dagens bild och allt!

Re: usd money....

[Otis Wright]

Just a bit of caution here.  From personal experience, I can say that 
you can have trouble with the Visa/Master cards here in the US and 
elsewhere, especially when travelling,  due to profile exceptions 
showing up in the automated fraud prevention programs.   Sorting it out 
can range from a simple phone call or frustratingly difficult series of 
communications and delays depending on access to a sane, intelligent rep 
and the nature of the exception.  In one case someone had started to use 
my card no. in another country.  The card co. just shut the card off 
including in process charges which I had to clear one by one in the 
following days.  But, I'm not complaining: very few of the bad charges 
ever got to my account and those that did were reversed on the following 
statement -- no questions.   I was offered  a replacement  new account 
card by express courier, but that wasn't practical due to my 
schedule.  Fortunately, I had other cards.  I believe there was an 
accounting of similar experiences by a few persons in one of the recent 
Electronic Design columns.
American Express has never been a problem for me, except once in a 
country where all credit card transactions were suspended for awhile 
throughout the entire country.  (That was an interesting experience to 
say the least.)I try to get by on credit cards when traveling, but  
I always carry some emergency cash and some other backup source of 
funds like travelers checks, letter of credit, etc. just in case --- 
however,  I  really hate being hung up chasing funds when I'm traveling 
--- so I take more precautions than most would find necessary.

Otis Wright

Peter J. Alling wrote:

We invented it.  It used to be called BankAmeracard, I remember when 
the name was changed.  You shouldn't have any
trouble using it but I'd look into  the conversion rate your bank may 
charge, it's usually quite competitive but I've only been
changing from US dollars.

Tanya Mayer Photography wrote:

Just wondering - with regards to my USA trip - I was thinking of not
bringing any cash at all, and just paying my spending money off my 
visa. It
will be a great help for tax purposes etc, and I rarely carry cash 
here any
more, I usually use EFTPOS for everything. How widely accepted is 
VISA in
the States?  Are you able to pay taxi's etc with VISA?  Or should I 
carry
some cash with me?  What about on GFM?  Are there any teller machines 
that
will allow me to withdraw cash from my VISA?  I have a pretty large 
purchase
that I will be making whilst I am over there and will need to get my 
hands
on at least USD$650 whilst I am  on the mountain (or beforehand to bring
with me)

tan.

 

Re: usd money....

[Otis Wright]

Cotty wrote:

On 21/3/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] discumbobulated:

 

Visa is very widely accepted here, however the snack bar on GFM is cash
only.  There is an ATM in the museum, but I'm not sure how much can be
withdrawn from it.  You won't need much cash on the mountain except for
souvenirs and maybe a lunch or two.
   

Bill, do you think the bears will take traveller's checks ?

Most certainly.  And your watch.  And your arm.   And...

Otis Wright

Cheers,
 Cotty
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Re: usd money....

[Otis Wright]

Joseph Tainter wrote:

Tanya, in re: your large purchase, you should know that you may be 
limited to withdrawing $300 or so at a time (or per day) from ATM 
machines. Also, CC fraud is sufficiently rampant that if you suddenly 
start making large, daily purchases, and don't ordinarily do so, your 
CC company may assume that your card has been stolen and cut you off. 
It's unlikely, but it does happen.

I travel a lot, here and overseas, and carry travelers' cheques and 
some cash.

Joe


In my opinion--- based on personal experience --- excellent advice.

Otis Wright.

Re: *ist-D and the wide angle lens dilmena

[Otis Wright]

John Forbes wrote:

I suspect that Pentax thinks the future is digital,
And you, of course, believe film based units will continue to outsell 
digital???/ :-[

and will over the next few years abandon film ,and therefore the 35mm 
format.  I doubt that Pentax will release any new 35mm lenses or 
cameras after they have dealt with what is already in the pipeline.

In other words, they do not (I suspect) intend to support two formats 
in the future.

John

On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 09:29:55 -0500, J. C. O'Connell 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

huh? By bringing out APS lenses, they ARE supporting
two formats, 35mm and APS!
JCO
 

   J.C. O'Connell   mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://jcoconnell.com
 

-Original Message-
From: John Forbes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 6:44 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: *ist-D and the wide angle lens dilmena
I don't believe Pentax has the resources to support two different dSLR
formats, and the fact that they are bringing out lenses in the APS 
format
means that is the format they have hitched themselves to.

It is also too early to start talking about the limitations of the APS
sensor.  I am sure Pentax believe that more resloution can be 
squeezed out
of it.

Finally, a Pentax is an enthusiast's camera, not a pro's camera, though
some pro's do use them, especially those who appreciate the small 
size and
weight.  I would guess that Pentax do not consider that there is
sufficient demand within their market place to support 35mm sensors, and
the necessarily higher cost and file sizes.

Of course, what is so sad is that manufacturers did not produce a
relatively low resolution 35mm sensor at the begining.  By low res, I
mean something capable of the same sort of pixel count as present APS
sensors.  This would surely have been easier, and therefore cheaper, to
produce than the necessarily much higher density APS sensor, and would
then have left the door open to much higher resolutions later.
But as it is, don't hold your breath waiting for a 35mm sensor camera 
from
Pentax.  It won't happen, unless they make a huge shift in strategy, 
which
will be very costly for them.

John

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 15:36:35 -0500, Peter J. Alling
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think that there is now at least some evidence that Pentax listens to
this list and probably to others as well,
Witness the 1.1 software upgrade, which made K/M lenses useful.  If 
they
do they will think twice about
abandoning the aperture ring.  Full frame sensors on dslrs?  Well that
depends on how inexpensive they become
as components.  Other manufactures are willing to step in to support a
constituency which is something Leica is
finding out. Christian Skofteland wrote:

- Original Message - From: Rob Studdert 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

How is the DA 14/2.8 a dead end?

It doesn't provide full frame coverage, it has no aperture ring, it's
good
only

for one digital camera, hopefully won't work properly on the next (if
we
are

blessed). 

Careful, if you hold your breath too long you may turn blue and pass
out...
;-)
My prediction for the future of Pentax DSLRs: No  24x36 sensors and no
aperture rings.  As a matter of fact, if Pentax releases more 35mm 
SLRs
they
won't need aperture rings either. And I'd put money on no new lenses
having
aperture rings as well. (they may still produce and sell older lenses
with
the rings, but no new designs will have them).  Pentax is SHOWING 
us the
future.  We can bury our heads in the sand and ignore it or we can 
open
our
eyes, accept it and move on.  I'm holding my breath for another DSLR
with
the same basic features but higher pixel count and (maybe) some 
kind of
in-the-body-IS.   I'm not deluding myself into believing that Pentax
will
develop a line like Canon or even Nikon are and I'm certainly not
thinking,
hoping, wanting a DSLR (or film body) with complete backwards
compatibility
to M and K lenses.  It would be futile.

My US$1.00

Christian








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Re: *ist-D and the wide angle lens dilmena

[Otis Wright]

John Forbes wrote:

That's true.  But manufacturers have to take a bet on what they think 
the market will want, and plan accordingly. 


Where is the mystery?   From here it is a no 
brainer... :-P

Otis Wright



John

On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 13:27:41 -0500, J. C. O'Connell 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Its not up to pentax, it up to the market. if everybody
else ends up with reasonable priced FF DSLRs in few years,
pentax with have to swim or die.
JCO
 

   J.C. O'Connell   mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://jcoconnell.com
 

-Original Message-
From: John Forbes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 1:06 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: *ist-D and the wide angle lens dilmena
I suspect that Pentax thinks the future is digital, and will over the 
next
few years abandon film ,and therefore the 35mm format.  I doubt that
Pentax will release any new 35mm lenses or cameras after they have dealt
with what is already in the pipeline.

In other words, they do not (I suspect) intend to support two formats in
the future.
John

On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 09:29:55 -0500, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
huh? By bringing out APS lenses, they ARE supporting
two formats, 35mm and APS!
JCO
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-Original Message-
From: John Forbes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 6:44 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: *ist-D and the wide angle lens dilmena
I don't believe Pentax has the resources to support two different dSLR
formats, and the fact that they are bringing out lenses in the APS 
format
means that is the format they have hitched themselves to.

It is also too early to start talking about the limitations of the APS
sensor.  I am sure Pentax believe that more resloution can be squeezed
out
of it.
Finally, a Pentax is an enthusiast's camera, not a pro's camera, though
some pro's do use them, especially those who appreciate the small size
and
weight.  I would guess that Pentax do not consider that there is
sufficient demand within their market place to support 35mm sensors, 
and
the necessarily higher cost and file sizes.

Of course, what is so sad is that manufacturers did not produce a
relatively low resolution 35mm sensor at the begining.  By low res, I
mean something capable of the same sort of pixel count as present APS
sensors.  This would surely have been easier, and therefore cheaper, to
produce than the necessarily much higher density APS sensor, and would
then have left the door open to much higher resolutions later.
But as it is, don't hold your breath waiting for a 35mm sensor camera
from
Pentax.  It won't happen, unless they make a huge shift in strategy,
which
will be very costly for them.
John

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 15:36:35 -0500, Peter J. Alling
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think that there is now at least some evidence that Pentax 
listens to
this list and probably to others as well,
Witness the 1.1 software upgrade, which made K/M lenses useful.  If 
they
do they will think twice about
abandoning the aperture ring.  Full frame sensors on dslrs?  Well that
depends on how inexpensive they become
as components.  Other manufactures are willing to step in to support a
constituency which is something Leica is
finding out. Christian Skofteland wrote:

- Original Message - From: Rob Studdert
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
How is the DA 14/2.8 a dead end?

It doesn't provide full frame coverage, it has no aperture ring, 
it's
good

only

for one digital camera, hopefully won't work properly on the next 
(if
we

are

blessed). 

Careful, if you hold your breath too long you may turn blue and pass
out...
;-)
My prediction for the future of Pentax DSLRs: No  24x36 sensors 
and no
aperture rings.  As a matter of fact, if Pentax releases more 35mm 
SLRs
they
won't need aperture rings either. And I'd put money on no new lenses
having
aperture rings as well. (they may still produce and sell older lenses
with
the rings, but no new designs will have them).  Pentax is SHOWING us
the
future.  We can bury our heads in the sand and ignore it or we can 
open
our
eyes, accept it and move on.  I'm holding my breath for another DSLR
with
the same basic features but higher pixel count and (maybe) some 
kind of
in-the-body-IS.   I'm not deluding myself into believing that Pentax
will
develop a line like Canon or even Nikon are and I'm certainly not
thinking,
hoping, wanting a DSLR (or film body) with complete backwards
compatibility
to M and K lenses.  It would be futile.

My US$1.00

Christian








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Re: Do Smarter Cameras make Dumber Photogs?

[Otis Wright]

Or maybe.. dumber cameras make for fewer (brighter) 
photogs. :-P

I like to the auto features.  I run auto when it gets or should get me 
the results I want.  I run manual when auto isn't going to cut it.   
Some days I run auto most of the day, some days the camera just stays in 
manual.  Depends on the environment, subject, and the desired result.  

Otis

 Belinkoff wrote:

ergo, smarter cameras make dumber photogs.

Herb Chong wrote:
 

all that tells me is that the number of people who really do want to learn
is falling. there is too much temptation to turn on the meter or AF and let
it do everything for you, even in a photo course.
   



 

Re: Do Smarter Cameras make Dumber Photogs?

[Otis Wright]

I'm afraid we in the US will see a lot more of this.  Our school systems 
in the USA are turning them out by
the tens of thousands.  They are taught they never get anything wrong 
and that they'll get excellent pay
for just showing up. And they wonder why the jobs are going 
overseas  I know, not that simple, but it plays into the same 
arena.   In any given week, I have a least three such encounters.  And, 
in the same week, I'll deal with twice as many overseas support 
personnel who bust their but to get it right---not always easy, but most 
of the time the job gets done and when there is trouble they work at it 
if you work with them instead of giving you useless info.

Otis

Shel Belinkoff wrote:

I had lunch at a local restaurant and the bill was $15.00
and change.  I gave the woman at the register a $100.00
bill.  The change should have been $84.00+ but I was given
$64.00+  shortchanged by $20.00. Bringing this to the
attention of the cashier, I was told the amount of change I
received was correct. That's what the computer in the
register said.  I asked her to do the math, to subtract
$85.00 from $100.00.  She looked at me like I was from outer
space, and insisted that the computer was right.  She either
could not do the math (a likely probability) or believed
whatever the computer told her (also a strong
possibility).  We had to call the restaurant manager to get
the math right and for me to get the correct change. 
Sheesh!

graywolf wrote:
 

But it is rocket science. There is simple arithmetic involved. Much better to
use a camera with a built in auto calculator so you don't even have to think
about the numbers, much less how to use them. That is really why no one wants to
use public transportation you know. Too hard to count your change for the fare.
   



 

Re: OT Re: Do Smarter Cameras make Dumber Photogs?

[Otis Wright]

I agree ...  in part --- I think..  However, I'm not very impressed with 
the leadership of the professional educator community that  I've 
encountered lately either.  IMHO we could use some  improvement on a lot 
fronts in education.   Back to photo challenges 8-) .

Otis

William M Kane wrote:

Otis,

   I know this is getting a bit off topic, but I need to step up on 
the soap box here:

   Yes, the school system is churning out many students who can't do 
what is described below, and I will be the first to admit that.  
However, what you described is not just a matter of learning the 
three R's . . . it goes well beyond that . . . it is called work 
ethic.  Now a work ethic can be started to be taught in school, but it 
is one of those things that is reinforced if not totally taught at 
home.  If parents and communities don't stand up and help the school 
system teach this, the USA will continue on the same trend it's on.  
We can't stand up at the polls and demand no child left behind, but 
then turn around the next day and complain that the taxes are too 
high, and we need to cut school funding. . . . we also can't place 
total blame on the school systems.  Look at the leading countries 
(academically) cultures and you'll see that the learned behaviors we 
seek are not taught in toto in the schools.

   Otis, I hope you do not think I am attempting to flame you.  I'm 
just trying to vent some steam and perhaps share some of my 
understanding with the general public.

IL Bill
On Sunday, February 15, 2004, at 02:30 PM, Otis Wright wrote:
I'm afraid we in the US will see a lot more of this.  Our school 
systems in the USA are turning them out by
the tens of thousands.  They are taught they never get anything wrong 
and that they'll get excellent pay
for just showing up. And they wonder why the jobs are going 
overseas  I know, not that simple, but it plays into the same 
arena.   In any given week, I have a least three such encounters.  
And, in the same week, I'll deal with twice as many overseas support 
personnel who bust their but to get it right---not always easy, but 
most of the time the job gets done and when there is trouble they 
work at it if you work with them instead of giving you useless info.

Otis

Shel Belinkoff wrote:

I had lunch at a local restaurant and the bill was $15.00
and change.  I gave the woman at the register a $100.00
bill.  The change should have been $84.00+ but I was given
$64.00+  shortchanged by $20.00. Bringing this to the
attention of the cashier, I was told the amount of change I
received was correct. That's what the computer in the
register said.  I asked her to do the math, to subtract
$85.00 from $100.00.  She looked at me like I was from outer
space, and insisted that the computer was right.  She either
could not do the math (a likely probability) or believed
whatever the computer told her (also a strong
possibility).  We had to call the restaurant manager to get
the math right and for me to get the correct change. Sheesh!
graywolf wrote:

But it is rocket science. There is simple arithmetic involved. Much 
better to
use a camera with a built in auto calculator so you don't even have 
to think
about the numbers, much less how to use them. That is really why no 
one wants to
use public transportation you know. Too hard to count your change 
for the fare.

Re: Dust and DSLR's

[Otis Wright]

What cleaning process are you using

Otis

Rob Studdert wrote:

On 14 Feb 2004 at 10:20, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

 

Read a few complaints about dusty sensors and their problems
here.  Seems to be a complaint in many venues.  Is it a big
problem or a minor annoyance for YOU? How do you deal with
the dust problem?
   


From my perspective it's only a little more work at the end of a photo session 
and far easier than removing a greasy print from a front or rear lens element. 

Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
 

Re: The Wilhelm testing method. Was Re: OT: Photographic Materials

[Otis Wright]

William Robb wrote:

The problem with any extrapolated test, be it Wilhelm's
method, which is decidedly harsh, or Kodak's, which is not
really a longevity test at all, is that neither one real
tells you anything.

Wilhelms method tells you tat if you pump 450 lux into a
print for 12 hours per day, it will start to fade after X
number of days.
Nothing else.
Nada.

His methods don't reflect how prints are treated in the
real world, and cannot be used to judge anything, beyond
comparing how different materials react to his testing
procedures.
Can see you not into materials testing.   Guess we can forgo testing 
contstruction in the future.  

Opinions from left field are interesting but not very constructive.   Of 
course if  you have material performance data that refutes Wilhelms 
work, it would be of some interest.

Otis Wright

Regarding cost of 100 speed film to 800 speed film, I
doubt very much if it costs more to make one than another,
at least not an appreciable amount.
William Robb



 

Re: The Wilhelm testing method. Was Re: OT: Photographic Materials

[Otis Wright]

William Robb wrote:

- Original Message - 
From: Otis Wright
Subject: Re: The Wilhelm testing method. Was Re: OT:
Photographic Materials



 

Can see you not into materials testing.   Guess we can
   

forgo testing
 

contstruction in the future.

   

And this has what to do with testing longevity of
photographic materials?
But really, do you test construction materials by seeing
how it reacts to 100G?
Why not?Are you saying there is not material/application where tests 
at that level are meaningful?
[I do get your  drift, so I'm not trying to run this one out too far.]

 

Opinions from left field are interesting but not very
   

constructive.   Of
 

course if  you have material performance data that
   

refutes Wilhelms
 

work, it would be of some interest.
   

Well, I do have some RC prints that have lasted far longer
than Wilhelm says they would, based on his testing
procedures.
No yellowing, and no delamintating.
The problem with his method is that it depends on
extrapolating results from a presumption.
This is not coming from left field, this is coming from
someone who has, like Wilhelm, spent most of his life
working in the technical end of photography.
I'm always in left field.  Having worked in and around material testing 
since '58 and being a current regular purchaser of  material testing 
services, references to Wilhelm's work here some time ago caught my eye 
and I picked up a copy of his The Permance and Care ...My 
limited tech work in Photos didn't flag the work, and it seemed like a 
reasonable approach, subject to someone providing a studied objection, 
and someof the 50 plus year old photo products  around here seemed to 
suggest he was onto something  --- but the sample is too small to mean 
anything.   In any case, I understand where your coming from, but I 
don't think I'll through the book out today.

William Robb



 

Re: The Wilhelm testing method. Was Re: OT: Photographic Materials

[Otis Wright]

Thank you.  Real helpful.  Excellent facilitation.  

Otis

Shel Belinkoff wrote:

Yeah, but WTF do you know, Bill.  You ain't got no degree or
nuthin' and your experience can't matter 'cause it don't
conform to no approved testing measures.  No need trying
t'talk to you.
William Robb wrote:
 

- Original Message -
From: Otis Wright
Subject: Re: The Wilhelm testing method. Was Re: OT:
Photographic Materials
   

Can see you not into materials testing.   Guess we can
 

forgo testing
   

contstruction in the future.

 

And this has what to do with testing longevity of
photographic materials?
But really, do you test construction materials by seeing
how it reacts to 100G?
   

Opinions from left field are interesting but not very
 

constructive.   Of
   

course if  you have material performance data that
 

refutes Wilhelms
   

work, it would be of some interest.
 

Well, I do have some RC prints that have lasted far longer
than Wilhelm says they would, based on his testing
procedures.
No yellowing, and no delamintating.
The problem with his method is that it depends on
extrapolating results from a presumption.
This is not coming from left field, this is coming from
someone who has, like Wilhelm, spent most of his life
working in the technical end of photography.
William Robb
   



 

Re: * ist Digital Question

[Otis Wright]

Yes,

During the first week of what would become an 11-year sojourn in 'Oz, I 
had this explained quite graphically to me by young lady during a mixed 
conference meeting of about 20 persons.Took about a week for normal 
colour to return to my face. Never forgot that one.  Was reminded by 
some from time-to-time.   They had a lot of fun with this Yank  and I 
thoroughly enjoyed my stay in 'Oz.   A bit later, she turned out to be 
one of the finest solictors I ever worked with. 

Tanya Mayer Photography wrote:

This is too funny to me - in Australia, what we refer to as a fanny is in
fact only found only on a lady and is the FRONT rather than the BACK of
them, iykwim?
We here, call what you are referring to, a BUM! lol

AND rather than fanny pack, it is a bum bag...

tan.

 

Hi,

Cesar wrote:

   

Can I find a larger fanny pack?
 

How big is your fanny likely to grow?

m

   



 

Re: Papa Flash

[Otis Wright]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Mark,

Doc Edgerton was an early electrical engineer, in Dynamo Engineering I 
believe.  He developed the flash to help freeze the spinning machinery for a good 
look.  In the hall outside his lab there were some of his early photos, 
including Ariel Recon photos of Boston taken in the late '30's.  He loaded some flash 
tubes and capacitors in an airplane and took night shots of 4 or 9 square 
miles of Boston at a time.  

He was a remarkable individual with a great deal of curiosity who treated the 
students well.  He and his lab were remarkably open to undergraduates.  

One afternoon while helping Doc with a show at a local Hotel, the press 
showed up and suggested that I and another student stand back so that 
they could get some solo  shots of Doc with some of the gear on 
display.   What they got was shots WITH the students front and center 
and to do so they  were allowed to take some duplicates with the 
student's cameras as part of the deal.  Doc took a lot of interest and 
extremely  good care of those who worked with him.It all transpired 
very smoothly and comfortably -- no tension whatsoever -- as was Doc's 
style, and as I recall on that occasion there were no opportunities for 
any solo shots of Doc except those he offered to the students after the 
press left.  

I didn't take any courses from Doc.  Just worked in his lab.  However, 
no one had a more profound impact on my career other than maybe Jay 
Forrester.

In 
the '60's, he brought friends like Jaques Costeau around to show off his early 
underwater movies.

Costeau was visiting  in  '59 , and it was my impression then that he 
had there in earlier years.   Amongst many other things, we were working 
on camera sleds and sled-tracking sonar at the time--- as I recall.
 
   Cheers,
  Otis Wright

Regards,  Bob S.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 

Those were photos from Doc Edgerton's lab at MIT.
They used some good size flash tubes, and
I believe a microphone was used to trigger the flash.
 

Polaroid film and open the shutter, fire the gun,
which triggers the flash, and you see where the bullet is.
Then, adjust the microphone closer or farther away from the gun,
to get the bullet where you want it in the frame.
 

I'm speaking from a position of almost total ignorance here, but
surely a bullet is travelling 2 or 3 times faster than sound? Over the
short distances involved is it really possible to do this?
   

I don't know anything about the velocity of bullets, but even if they do
travel at Mach 3 all you'd have to do is position the target 3 feet from
the gun and the microphone 1 foot away and you'd be pretty much
synchronized.
 

I would have thought a light or electric trigger would be better.
e.g. fit the trigger or the hammer of the gun with an electrical gizmo
to fire the flash.
   

A microphone was deemed the easiest way to go: No attachments or
modifications to the gun; most equipment readily available off-the
shelf. Edgerton claims he got his first shot (the bullet going through
the apple, IIRC) on his first try. Clearly, this was a man not
unaccustomed to precise laboratory work!
 

Re: DSLR/PC plateau?

[Otis Wright]

Scott Nelson wrote:

You can take care of thermal noise (to a point) by cooling the sensor
with something like liquid nitrogen - not that this is very practical
unless you are using a telescope.  At a given temperature, smaller
pixels and higher iso will result in more thermal noise.
Actually, there are quite a few systems using LN cooled sensors in use 
in industrial and gov't applications.   I had the chance to look at 
some of thse a few months ago.  Quite impressive results...  
Packaging was a lot smaller than I had anticipated.

Otis Wright

Lens performance will always be limited by diffraction effects, so hold
onto your 300/2.8. 

What can be counted on (IMHO) is that sensors will continue to get
larger and cheaper.
-Scott

On Wed, 2004-01-14 at 19:37, Herb Chong wrote:
 

only in science fiction. you can't make a lens that can stand that much
magnification and there is a fixed amount of thermal noise that can't be
gotten around.
Herb
- Original Message - 
From: Chaso DeChaso [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: DSLR/PC plateau?

   

One quick example would be when something happens
(relatively soon) such as sensors becoming not only
way higher in resolution but also much more
light-sensitive than film.  Among other things, this
would allow both digital-only (non optical) zoom and
total depth of field.  Software after the fact would
allow you to select the focal plane and bokeh.  When
something like this happens all of the sudden everyone
will need to do it and almost everyone apart from me
will be saying Do you think I am going to lug around
a 300mm f/2.8 when the guy next to me can do all the
same stuff with a 50mm f/1.4..that's CRzy!
 



 

Re: Today, I feel as though I have achieved something....

[Otis Wright]

Kevin Waterson wrote:

This one time, at band camp, Tanya Mayer Photography [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 

For anyone who takes the time to look through them, thankyou so much!  I
have these questions to ask, if you were offered these to show off a
product of your own, would you be happy with them, or am  I just kidding
myself, are they seriously crap?  Or if you were a potential customer, would
you purchase these garments judged on what you see in these pics?  Have I
made the garments look good?  Or crap?  There are the odd threads etc
showing that will be removed in PS later on...
   

If this is a first attempt, then you have indeed done well.
I don't do any commercial product photography and know little of it outside 
of the studio with the light table.
To my way of thinking the goal of the shoot is to produce business images 
that strengthen the advertising campaign messages.
Photography can add a great deal of impact to a brochure, magazine ad, or
internet site. If the photo's have impact, and show the product clear
whilst maintaining the goals of the advertising campaingn, it is a success.

And, because product photographs are normally used for some purpose by 
someone else, it has always been my practice to have that someone else 
present for any photowork  -- normally with a vetted written plan for 
the shoot.  It is hard for a photographer to produce photographs you 
need for a specific purpose if the end user is not present  --- at least 
this has been my experience.  I've run into a few exceptional 
photographers who needed little input, but for the most part the 
end-user presence was critical to a achieving time and cost-effective 
results.

Otis Wright

I browse through all of these images and they look just fine. There are
some things I would have done differently, but at the end of the day, the
customer is at the mercy of the photographers artistic interpretation.
Again, congratulations on your success. Your customer should be well 
pleased with the results.

 

Now, I'd better go and cook some dinner! lol..
   

Is that an invite? ;)

Kind regards
Kevin
 

Re: New job and Ritz Camera

[Otis Wright]

Ditto,

Micro-, machine-, assembler on up the line.  In the early days --- 
maintained wrote and maintained assemblers, compilers, and operating 
systems for mainframes in special applications.Last code used in 
commercial product 1980.   Last code for personal use around 1990.  Last 
direction of development of commercial product involving software 
development 1993.  Last use of a compiler for anything meaningful around 
1995.   Still review machine low level code from time to time to assist 
with forensic analysis.   Now and then get the urge to tweak something, 
but opening up a system for meaningful code mods these days is no minor 
challenge.  For the most part can find what I need by shopping around 
for an application package that has the functions I want.  I'm perfectly 
happy to let someone else do the support and modification work.  

But it was surely a lot of fun.   Some great memories.

Otis Wright

John Francis wrote:

In the mainframe days systems analysis, programing, and coding were all 
different jobs. Now-a-days I understand they are usually combined. Coding was 
the grunt work. Yes, the term tends to be used derogatorily these days, unless 
you are talking about microcoding. Everyone who has written workable machine 
code (not assember code) raise their hand.
   

Been there.  Done that.  Got the T-shirt.
Machine code, assembler, and autcode.
Nowadays I don't program in anything lower-level than C.

Machines are so much faster (and bigger), and compilers and libraries
are so much better, that apart from a few very specialised OS routines
(and some of the library routines themselves) there's no real point.
 

Re: What do you think?

[Otis Wright]

Like I said, while Kodak and Fuji sell film ~cameras~, film 
has ten years
   minimum life expectancy.

 regards,
  Anthony Farr
But it might not be much of a life.   Forcing the supply of  film 
doesn't mean it will be of the type and quality you want.  Either 
quality, selecton, or price will give and I expect dramatically. 
When the profits are gone, so is the product  as it was then known  -- 
for all practical purposes and the volume dependant margin enviroment 
that film has developed into is IMHO not llikely to lanquish long  at 
least with any great breadth of selection with even moderate declines in 
volume.  

Otis Wright



Anthony Farr wrote:

Not at all, Bob.

The specialist camera makers can shelter under the umbrella of the film and
camera manufacturers.  So long as Kodak and Fuji sell film cameras the
~hardware only~ manufacturers can rest assured that film will be available
for the required period.
But on the day that no film manufacturer also sells a film camera there will
be much rearranging of the deckchairs on the Titanic.  I predict that no
company would risk the legal ramifications of selling a film camera if Kodak
and Fuji also withdraw from film camera sales.
Like I said, while Kodak and Fuji sell film ~cameras~, film has ten years
minimum life expectancy.
regards,
Anthony Farr
- Original Message - 
From: Bob Walkden [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

Hi,

that would not be a very clever argument. It would imply that the
camera makers such as Pentax also had to be film makers. Or that
kitchen equipment makers also had to be food retailers; printer
manufacturers would have to be paper makers. Law-makers would have to
be Fagins. Cup makers would have to guarantee a water supply.
--
Cheers,
Bob
   



 

Re: Holiday wishes from the List Guy

[Otis Wright]

Many thank to you, Doug.

Merry Christmas..

Otis Wright

Doug Brewer wrote:

Just a quick note to thank you all for your contributions to the list 
and keeping me entertained for another year. Whatever your persuasion, 
I hope this is a joyous season for you and yours.

Doug

Re: What do you think?

[Otis Wright]

What are you including in costs.   Direct, burdened, GA, RD deprec. etc.

Otis Wright

Herb Chong wrote:

does high margin mean double, triple, or more for your cost of a roll of
film plus processing?
Herb
- Original Message - 
From: Bob Walkden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: What do you think?

 

I take a different view. Consumer photography, and probably most
professional photography, will quickly become exclusively digital,
for all intents and purposes. Film photography is likely to be more
like BW has been for the last 40 years - a niche for enthusiasts. The
film that will be available will be a low volume / high margin product
available from specialist outlets, and processed at a small number of
labs who cater for enthusiasts. Much like Kodachrome and Scala
(although they happen to be the cheapest films for me). It will be
   

expensive,
 

but high quality because the enthusiasts will only want high quality.
   



 

Re: OT - Decerebrate Turnip

[Otis Wright]

Thanks. Great entertainment.

Otis Wright

Cotty wrote:

For fans of comedy and motorcycles, this eBay auction is a must read:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2442354423

LOL!



Cheers,
 Cotty
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Re: GFM Attendees (updated)

[Otis Wright]

You might want to look at just continuing on east to 'Oz from England.   
When I lived in Sydney, I often  traveled to Europe via the US and found 
that returning on a easterly route was about the same cost and quite 
interesting.

Otis Wright

Tanya Mayer Photography wrote:

Cotty, on a side note - where in England are you, and how long is the flight
to the US?  How much approx. does it cost?  I have ALWAYS wanted to shoot in
England/Ireland, I am very Celtic inclined, and love all of that old stuff.
PLUS, my best friend lives in London and just had a baby, so I was thinking
that while I was in the Hemisphere, I may be able to take a little detour if
funds allow it...
tan.

- Original Message - 
From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pentax list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: GFM Attendees (updated)

 

On 8/12/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:

   

I put in first dibs for the shower (promise not to use all
of the hot water though!)
 

There is a compromise here, modesty aside.



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Re: GFM Attendees (updated)

[Otis Wright]

They charge more for Sydney cattle.

Otis Wright

Tanya Mayer Photography wrote:

Rob, I am flying into NYC or DC - both of which are AU $1800 cattle class...

tan.

- Original Message - 
From: Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 9:02 AM
Subject: Re: GFM Attendees (updated)

 

On 8 Dec 2003 at 8:55, mike wilson wrote:

   

Doesn't it come under the convention about cruel and unusual
punishment?
 

Probably. My problem is that if I travel half way around the world I can't
justify staying less than a month given that I can't write it off as a
   

business
 

cost and the air-fares alone will be about US$2250 cattle class. :-(



Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
   



 

Re: Silly Digital Survey

[Otis Wright]

Somewhere around 3.

Use digital prosumer PS for 95 % of pics.  Use film for wide angle, 
back up,  special set ups, long shots, and to provide family with an odd 
set of prints now and then.  

Impact of going digital so far.  Killed move to K mount.  Howver, did 
purchased several additional SMCT lenses, another Spotmatic F, and 
another ESII to secure the screwmount base.  Don't see further 
investment in for now.

Near term will add  following digital equipment: a small  (physica size) 
PS and a DSLR.  PS as soon as I can locate and checkout.   DSLR  when 
have time to to the research to get comfortable with a configuraton of 
equipment that will meet my needs in the area of flash synch, low light 
AF, and wide angle. 

Otis Wright

Shel Belinkoff wrote:

With fond memories of surveys past g:

1) How many have totally given up shooting film and have moved
completely to digital (That means no film and film cameras in your
equipment cabinet)?
2) How many are in the process of doing so (like Bruce, who is actually
selling equipment) as opposed to thinking about it, which doesn't
count in this survey.
3) How many have made the switch to digital, but keep a film camera
around for one reason or another, although you do not use, and have not
used, the film camera since acquiring your digital camera?
4) To put the numbers in perspective, how many list members are there.

shel

 

Re: carry-on regs for photographers

[Otis Wright]

Keith Whaley wrote:

John Francis wrote:
 

FYI, the TSA has made a change in the regs:

http://www.tsa.gov/public/interapp/editorial/editorial_1248.xml
 

Well, yes.  But the additional bag still has to comply with the
weight and size restrictions for carry-on baggage.  It's rather
hard for me to carry my 250-600 that way. So my choice is either
leave it at home or put it in checked baggage.
I'm thinking of getting another smaller case which will serve me
as a day-to-day carryaround for the *ist-D and some of my smaller
lenses, and to take that as carry-on when travelling, loading it
up with just the bodies, any film I plan to use, and suchlike.
P.S.  Don't you just love the advice that film should be removed
 from the canister and placed in a clear plastic bag?
 And why just unexposed film, anyway?  What about exposed
 but undeveloped film?
   

You carry the unexposed film with a bit of the leader hanging out, and
the exposed film with the leader wound up inside the cartridge.
Relative to the wording of the regulations, I think they assume the
exposed film is not subject to damage by xrays, so they don't mention it.
Do you think it is?
keith whaley

 

Huh?

Otis Wright

Re: It's Here!

[Otis Wright]

Did  you compare it to the D100, as you suggested you might.   If so, 
any comparison comments you care to share?  

Otis Wright

Bruce Dayton wrote:

Just had to say, I went out this morning and got a new *istD!

Of course, the deal with the wife was that it had to be returnable,
just in case
Bruce



 

Re: Nikon to stop selling film cameras in Japan...

[Otis Wright]

With the Kodak and now Nikon (others?) announcements, one would think 
all cos. with high volume low margin film-based products (lines) would 
be under pressure from the investment community to justify further 
expenditure (operations) in thse areas.  With this pressure and public 
disclosure guidelines most cos. now follow, I would expect to see more 
cos. explaining there position in this area over the next half year or 
so.

Otis Wright

Bill Owens wrote:

I think that all the major manufacturers, with the possible exception of
Minolta (are they a major manufacturer anymore?) have probably made the same
decision, just Nikon has made if official.
Bill

 

And, boy, is it happening much faster than I thought it would.
 

Me too! And, to have a major player like Nikon make this sea-change move
now is glaringly significant.
   

Marnie aka Doe  Much faster, even though I thought it might happen fast.
 

keith whaley

   



 

Re: Batteries, was Re: istD Histogram display

[Otis Wright]

Have seen statements suggesting  NiMh batteries lose 1%-2% of their 
charge a day.  Can't remember how good the source was.  Maybe someone 
else has more accurate numbers.

Otis Wright



Bill Owens wrote:

I saw those advertised, but my local store only had the 1-hour chargers.
Still, I reckoned that was probably good enough; I can recharge a set of
batteries while I'm out using up the first set.
What's the capacity of the 15-minute cells?  I've got mostly 1800 mAh for
my one-hours, although I've also got several 1600s lying around for the
cordless phones, wireless mousen, etc.
   

The 15 minute cells are 2000 mAh.  I also have some cell ranging from
1500-1800 mAh that I use in either the 1 hour charger, or the Pentax charger
(which only does slow charges).  It's interesting that with the 15 minute
cells, a cooling fan runs in the charger.  With any other cells, it's a 7-8
hour charge with no cooling fan running.  Evidently there's something in the
15 minute cells that the charger reads to turn on the fan
Does anyone know how long charged NiMh cells can be stored in a charged
state before  they discharge enough to require a recharge?
 

At present I still carry regular disposable batteries as well for use in
the FTZ500 (and the MZ-S battery grip).  If I could find the documentation
I'd see if I can use NiMh rechargeables there, too - does anybody know?
   

I don't know about the BG-10 grip, but I do use NiMh in the 360FGZ

Bill



 

Re: 5 Mpixel price breakthough

[Otis Wright]

And then there are those who have run and enterprise, and all your 
internal figuring is useless if you don't price competitively.  Forget 
the theory.  Lets look at reality.   If your entering a mature market or 
dynamic new market with lots of aggressive players you may not ever make 
any money on the first few products because the market is setting your 
price limits if you wish to gain the  market share necessary to make 
money on later products.  

I am always amazed by the coaching from those who never left the bleachers.

Otis Wright

graywolf wrote:

Sometimes I wonder if anyone here ever took an accounting course. 
Let's take a look at the D-Rebel from that viewpoint.

It costs a certain amount to develop a digital camera (or any new 
product). Then you have to figure out at what point you want to recoup 
that cost. Say you budget it at a million units. If you never sell a 
million units you lose money on every camera you sell.

But once you reach that point the cameras only cost is overhead, 
materials, and distribution, so you are in the money making phase of 
the business. In that phase you have three choices 1. you can continue 
along making big profits, if your completion will let you. 2. You can 
lower your prices keep the same profit, and hurt your completion. 3. 
You can make several models of basically the same camera at different 
price points. The cheapest hurts your competition but makes you little 
or no profit. The main stream makes good profit and is what you depend 
upon. Then if you can you produce a deluxe model that makes big 
profits but in smaller volume.

Where does Canon sit right now? Well the D60 probably paid for the 
RD. The 10D is basically the current mainstream camera. The Rebel is 
the lost leader. All three of these cameras are basically the same 
camera (electronically) with mostly software differences. The 10D and 
the Rebel probably cost within $100 of each other to produce.

Unfortunately for the competition they have not recovered RD, Nikon 
is probably near, Pentax will be a long time yet, so they are setting 
the market price. And Canon is stealing market share with its 
supposedly much cheaper digital Rebel and making money hand over fist 
with the 10D.

All of this is common to new markets. Mature markets are pretty much a 
level playing field as everyone still in have recovered basic RD and 
new models come out pretty even across the board, but it is costly for 
a newcomer to break into the field.

---

Boris Liberman wrote:

Hi!

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 08:50:14 +0100
 Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
on 28.10.03 3:19, J. C. O'Connell at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I still dont believe that camera has a sensor that cost
CANON $700 if thats what your trying to say.
Why not? Analog EOS-300V (EOS Rebel Ti) costs about 200$ and it has 
far more
built-in mechanics than its digital sibbling. Electronics other than 
CCD in
DSLRs should be rather cheap.

--
Best Regards
Sylwek


Pardon my intrusion, but I seem to miss something here. Let me try to 
explain why I think RebelD costs whatever it costs...

Canon (or any other similar company for that matter) has market 
presense in most if not all market segments. So they seem to know 
what are the specs the market favors and how much market is willing 
to pay for it.
So they just produce the camera that is as close to the favorite 
specs of given market segment as they can get within their own time 
frame. Then they charge maximal (perhaps minus little delta) amount 
of money for the outcome...
I really think it is that simple. Of course there're technical 
details, such as production and/or research costs, and so on. But one 
techinicalities are done with, and somehow I am sure Canon can be 
quite done with technical part of the game, it is not that difficult 
to set up a price for the product.

I suppose that charging maximal explains why when eventually prices 
go down, the product is still produced and sold, normally with profit!

Let the light be with you...

Boris

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Re: On topic?!

[Otis Wright, Jr.]

Thanks for the input.  I tried an early version of 6.x and went back to 4.79, so 7.x it
is for the next attempt.

Otis Wright

Antti-Pekka Virjonen wrote:

 At 00:36 30.1.2003 -0500, you wrote:
 Ditto.  Communicator 4.79 and it is beginning to have trouble with a lot of sites
 where Explorer works OK.   I'm putting in a new system next week and will move on to
 6.x and if it has problems Netscrape is done at this office.
 
 Otis Wright

 Don't go with 6.x. Move on to 7.01 ! It is a lot faster and better than
 any previous version. (6.x never worked too well...)

 Antti-Pekka

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Re: On topic?!

[Otis Wright, Jr.]

Thanks.   All my systems have latest IE  setup on them.  Until now, I've just been more
comfortable using Netscape.  I tried early version of 6.x and it was too slow on this
system.  I'll probably give 7.x a shot when I set up the new system next week.

Otis

Keith Whaley wrote:

  Hi Otis,

 You said: Communicator 4.79 and it is beginning to have trouble with
 a lot of sites...

 It's NOT NetCOMM that's having the problems. Seems the problem lies
 with those who design their sites with IE in mind, and don't bother
 about NetCOMM at all.
 Many sites have this very same problem.
 I used to visit web site where the photos would be viewed in their own
 place, with text wrapped around the photos appropriately, and now I
 don't. I didn't change my NetCOMM ~ it's the folks NOT taking NetCOMM
 into account when they design and debug their sites is what's happened.

 Otis, if you expect Netscape 6.x to work better than 4.79, might as
 well switch over to all Explorer right now.
 Netscape 6.x is NOT ready for prime time! They've been fussing with it
 for years, it seems, and it's never left the beta stage.
 Go to the newsgroup site and read all the problems folks have been
 having with 6. That's why I stay with 4.79. Neither 6.x nor 7.x have
 shown they have even most of the bugs out, and they're still not
 reliable as my 4.79 is.

 keith whaley

 Otis Wright, Jr. wrote:
 
  Ditto.  Communicator 4.79 and it is beginning to have trouble with a lot of sites
  where Explorer works OK.   I'm putting in a new system next week and will move on 
to
  6.x and if it has problems Netscrape is done at this office.
 
  Otis Wright
 
  Keith Whaley wrote:
 
   Me, too. Netscape Communicator 4.79.
   Sad. I'd like to know what lies behind the photo!
  
   keith whaley...

 [...]

Re: On topic?!

[Otis Wright, Jr.]

Ditto.  Communicator 4.79 and it is beginning to have trouble with a lot of sites
where Explorer works OK.   I'm putting in a new system next week and will move on to
6.x and if it has problems Netscrape is done at this office.

Otis Wright

Keith Whaley wrote:

 Me, too. Netscape Communicator 4.79.
 Sad. I'd like to know what lies behind the photo!

 keith whaley...

 frank theriault wrote:
 
  Hi, Ann,
 
  Thanks for mentioning the distraction of the image overlapping the text - I'd
  meant to mention that, as it does the same for me, but I forgot.
 
  I've only gone to PhotoSIG a few times, and it's done that every time for me.
  I use Netscrape, FWIW.  It really bugs me, because I'd like to be able to read
  all the text, but can't.
 
  regards,
  frank
 
  Ann Sanfedele wrote:
 
   Well, ok -
   Boris, it is pretty enough, but doesn't really grab one.  A nice stock
   photo shot.  It has neither serious
   flaws or anything that makes one go oh, wow!  - that is probably why you
   got few comments.
   But there is a problem - at least with the browser I was using just now _
   The page is extremely distracting.
   the photo overlaps some of the text.  I'll take a look at it later from
   aol and from explorer to see if it does
   the same thing.  I have my preferences set for a somewhat larger type than
   usual but that really should
   not matter.  I understand you didnt design this (Well, at least I think
   not!) presentation style but
   it sure hurts your photo.
  
   I'm writing to the list instead of your sight as I don't like to have to
   SIGN IN to anything on the web
   that I don't need to.
  
   Regards,
   annsan critique at large
  
   
---
Boris Liberman

Re: Let's keep open minds

[Otis Wright, Jr.]

If digital products are going to erode 645 sales, then this will happen whether
Pentax produces digital or not and what Pentax has to decide is whether they
want piece of the action picked up by digital products or not.  Very few mfrs.
have been able to protect a product from technology pressures by not
participating the the advance of same.  I'm sure it happens, but no examples
come to mind at this point.   In aggressive, high tech product arenas, a very
effective way to protect your market share/growth rates is to kill your own
products with your own new products before someone else does it for you.

Just my opinion...

Otis Wright


T Rittenhouse wrote:

 Well, since Pentax makes a well selling 645 why would they want to produce a
 digital camera that would erode those sales. Maybe a 645 based digital that
 would increase 645 lens sales, but not a 35mm based digital that would eat
 into those sales.  Now there is one to speculate about, when will Pentax
 intro a 645 digital body, or a digitally optimized interchangeable back 645?
 They are obviously going to have to, to stay competitive; but what is the
 time frame?

 Everything I have heard says a 6mp 35mm based K-mount DSLR will be
 introduced at PMA. Barring unforeseen problems it should be on the shelves
 by the end of summer. I also have heard rumors that they will also intro
 several new consumer digitals. The Optio S, and this 110 based camera seems
 to confirm that.

 Ciao,
 Graywolf
 http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto

 - Original Message -
 From: Iren  Henry Chu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 1:00 AM
 Subject: Re: Let's keep open minds

  Dear all,
 
_Pentax_ never stated that it would be a DSLR that would take K-mount
lenses. We just assumed that. Pentax just stated that it would be a
  DSLR.
No?
   
But, personally, I'm intrigued (the real word is fascinated, not
intrigued, but hey, it's not an etymologically prescriptive world any
  more
s) by the notion of a DSLR based on the old 110. Fascinating idea.
  
  There are some Japanese folks who inquired directly to Pentax regarding
 the
  K-mount for the coming DSLR, and Pentax confirmed that it (or they? :-)
  uses
  K-mount.
 
  Let's keep open-minded.  Let me have a stock check on the Pentax D-SLR
  rumour mills:
 
  1. ultra-compact D-SLR based on Auto110 (1/1.8 CCD sensor?) using xD
 memory
  card - surely a Canon G3-killer
  2. compact D-SLR with 6M APS-sized sensor using K-mount and specially
  designed wide-angle lens, equivalent to current competitors like Nikon
 D100
  3. professional foveon 10M 35mm full-frame D-SLR, probably an answer to
 645
  users too
 
  We have been waiting for Pentax to roll out a D-SLR for some while but now
  suddenly it is possible that three different prototype D-SLRs aiming for
  different markets will roll out in the coming PMA?  It's like waiting for
 a
  bus in the rush hours.
 
  Regards,
 
  Henry Chu
  24/1/2003
 
  _
  Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*.
  http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
 

Re: Self standing Pentax Slave flash?

[Otis Wright, Jr.]

I picked up one a few months ago.   I've  used in the field (mostly with
digital cam) to handle special lighting requirements with reasonable success.
I've also used it with my SLRs for general work with only moderate success,   I
need to work with it a bit more to work out how to best work with its fixed
output capability.  I have a better luck  using vivitar flashes with SL-2
trigger because I of the  better control of the flash output.  Unfortunately,
this combo is too big for my prime field pack.

Otis Wright.

Steve Pearson wrote:

 Anyone ever tried one of these:

 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=3860item=3000329846

 Looks like it might help w/ shadows, hair highlights,
 etc.  Also appears to have other mischievous uses?

 __
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Re: trackball and photoshop

[Otis Wright, Jr.]

I like mine very much.  Took awhile to get the thumb trained, but I now much prefer it 
to a  mouse.  I especially like now having to make space in my work area to move the 
mouse around.   Picked up a couple more for my other systems a few weeks ago.

Otis Wright

Mike Ignatiev wrote:

 has anyone tried to used this combo?
 i had picked up one on sale (logitech optical wireless, a big marble on top) to 
replace my old mouse. so far it's a challenge for me to even cut and paste text, 
although i expect that this will improve. the big question is, is it suitable for 
photo editing? i cannot answer this for myself at the moment because of the previous 
p.

 best,
 mishka

Re: trackball and photoshop

[Otis Wright, Jr.]

I'm only a sample of one, but I find I do better tracing and drawing with the
track ball than with the mouse.   I admit, my drawing tasks are very simple. I
magnify anything that requires fine work, which I found I needed to do with the
mouse also.

Otis Wright

Herb Chong wrote:

 Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Of course the tablet would be ideal, but at least a mouse could be used
 with
 a rule or template if you wish, and I feel the tracing of curves would be
 easier with a mouse.
 Cleaning up the edges or erasing background along the edge of a shape would
 be difficult with a trackball.  It is best for the random access to any
 part
 of the screen with the minimum real estate on the desk.

 Cheers,

 Ken

 tracing with a mouse is very hard too. following a path of any kind with a
 trackball is very hard and a mouse only slightly improves on it. drawing a
 freehand selection to match something in the image with a trackball is just
 about impossible. navigating menus and buttons is easier with a trackball
 than a mouse. drawing with a trackball isn't.

 Herb...

Re: Layers in Photoshop

[Otis Wright, Jr.]

I tend to agree.  I moved to to Photoshop late last year after using PD and PE
for a few years.  The added horsepower has me to reduces my overall costs and
generally improve the overall quality of the photos I use in my work.  I've found
the learning exercise to be interesting and helpful in other applications that I
become involved with from time to time.

Otis Wright

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I don't agree. Photoshop is as complicated or uncomplicated as you make it.
 There are many features that you may not use and may never use but once you
 start exploring there is no limit to the creativity it offers. I regularly
 read through my manual, not because I have to but because I want to pick up
 more information. I went to the library yesterday and picked up a number of
 books on photoshop that are likely easier to understand than the manual and
 full of creative ideas. I do have photodeluxe on my computer as well and use
 it once in a while for simple things but it often gets in the way even when
 using it in the advanced mode.
 If you have photoshop, it is certainly worth learning... I consider it my
 best photographic tool.
 Vic
 In a message dated 1/10/03 11:21:40 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I snipped a bit from Keith's post but I sure agree with his sentiments.
 
 Even Photoshop LE is sufficiently more complex and more of a RAM hog than
 what I use now  which is Photo Deluxe 4.0 -  which it seems is just a paired
 down more
 user friendly version that appear to follow the same rules as the full
 blown
 versions.  Ive been
 able to just tinker with it for the most part to get it to work for me.
  I've never
 been good at reading tech manuals and, heaven forfend, any type of Video
 Professor
 or audio tape would drive me nuts.  I've been able to learn stuff about
 it from the
 discussions here about Photoshop, too.  Photodeluxe 4.0 and Photoshop LE
 were
 included with my Epson 1640  SU Photo scanner - That is, free.  the best
 of all
 possible reason for using it :)
 
 annsan the thrifty
 

Re: OT: Re: Profanity

[Otis Wright, Jr.]

I don't think this sells.   It may be true, but the general or periodic use
of profanity for effect  is not effective in general, in my opinion.
I've worked with exceptional people all my life.  They account for a small
percentage of the general scene and for the rest much stiffer  get applied
-- sooner or later.  I use to be a major offender, but one day I got pulled
up real short by one of my most valued staff.   Today, those using
profanity consistently around me soon find themselves working elsewhere,
for someone else.   I don't need the irritation and in today's corporate
environment, there is no need to put hard earned assets at risk by
encouraging such behavior.

Otis Wright

Doug Franklin wrote:

 On Fri, 10 Jan 2003 21:33:36 -0500, T Rittenhouse wrote:

  The TI sat up half the night with a dictionary reading it.
  Sometimes ones assumptions are incorrect.

 I'm one of those people.  Language, including offensive language, is
 not just a communication medium.  It can also be a tool, ruse,
 subterfuge, diversion, or lots of other things.

 My mother used to work with a lawyer.  This fellow was from deep in the
 hinterlands of Mississippi.  He spoke with an Southern country accent
 that most people just wouldn't believe unless they heard it.

 In court, he dressed in twenty-five year old polyester double-knit
 suits with white ties and white patent leather shoes.  Outside court it
 was bib overalls and grimy white t-shirts.

 He knew more of the polysyllabic words than 98% of the population, and
 _all_ of the four-letter kind.  He graduated second in his Harvard Law
 class.  He had a 100% success rate in court over a forty year career.

 TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ

Re: OT: Re: Profanity

[Otis Wright, Jr.]

You rang, ;-)

Doug Brewer wrote:

 =damn=

 At 12:27 AM -05001/11/03, Otis Wright, Jr.  wrote, or at least typed:
 I don't think this sells.   It may be true, but the general or periodic use
 of profanity for effect  is not effective in general, in my opinion.
 I've worked with exceptional people all my life.  They account for a small
 percentage of the general scene and for the rest much stiffer  get applied
 -- sooner or later.  I use to be a major offender, but one day I got pulled
 up real short by one of my most valued staff.   Today, those using
 profanity consistently around me soon find themselves working elsewhere,
 for someone else.   I don't need the irritation and in today's corporate
 environment, there is no need to put hard earned assets at risk by
 encouraging such behavior.
 
 Otis Wright
 --
 Douglas Forrest Brewer
 Ashwood Lake Photography
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 http://www.alphoto.com

Re: If You had to pick one lens . . .

[Otis Wright, Jr.]

x marks the spot --always..

Otis Wright

Keith Whaley wrote:

 Pray tell, what IS SMCT 2x - 3x mm glass?
 What does x stand for?

 keith whaley

 Otis Wright, Jr. wrote:
 
  Have you considered a wider lens.   Everyone has different needs, but for 30
  years of casual family and travel photography,  I used SMCT 2x - 3x mm glass
  80 to 90 percent of the time.
 
  Just one amateurs thoughts.
 
  Otis
 
  Michael Cross wrote:
 
 I am starting out here and looking to purchase (at least for now) one
   prime lens.  My primary photographic interest is candids and casual
   portraits of my kids in both individual and small group shots.  I am
   looking at a prime lens because I would like to do available light and
   shallow DOF shots and the quality (especially bokeh) is important to me.
  
   So I have narrowed it down to three Pentax lenses:
  
  1. FA 50mm f/1.4
  2. FA 77mm f/1.8
  3. FA 85mm f/1.4
  
   Which lens would you choose?  Any others I should consider?
  
   Thanks,
  
   Michael Cross
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Brads cable release in stock

[Otis Wright, Jr.]

Many thanks from those who suffer in silence.

Otis

David Brooks wrote:

 Hi Brad and any other PDML er who needs this cable.
 I just recieved an email from the parts guy at Pentax
 Canada in Mississauga and the cable is in stock at
 this location and orders can be placed with him.
 Minusha Alam
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Dave Brooks

 Pentax User
 Stouffville Ontario Canada
 http://home.ca.inter.net/brooksdj/
 http://brooks1952.tripod.com/myhorses
 Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail

Re: MZ-S battery mystery Solved

[Otis Wright, Jr.]

Unless you test under load, meter may not show the problem

Been down this frustrating road a few too many times.   Just had a wild time
with a new battery in a wireless mouse that tested w/o load just fine.
All sorts of extra clicks -- so to speak.

Otis

CBWaters wrote:

 You know, to avoid this in the future, you could break out your trusty
 multi-meter ( note: NOT a light meter :) and test the battery for correct
 voltage.
 Cory Waters

 - Original Message -
 From: Kevin Waterson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 3:06 AM
 Subject: MZ-S battery mystery Solved

  OK, so I went to yet a third Store and purchased
  two wholesome new batteries and it works fine. I had
  purchased 2 consecutive sets of dud batteries...
 
  I once had a car with a faulty spark plug, so I replaced
  all the plugs, but it was still mis-firing, it turned out
  that one of the new plugs I had installed was faulty also.
  This faulty plug I had installed into the same cylinder as
  the one that was dead.
 
  So, whatever little quirk of fate that does these sorts of
  things has come full circle to manifest itself as my MZ-S
  batteries.
 
  I should have known it was not the quality of the MZ-S that
  was at fault.
 
 
  Kind regards
  Kevin
 
  --
  Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.
  See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
  Kevin Waterson
  Byron Bay, Australia
 

Re: law and image

[Otis Wright, Jr.]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Folks:
Snip>

So
long as the original is available,
Snip

And would someone like to define "original"? I'm always
very careful about how much weight I give an "original." A
lot of things can happen between the object of interest and the film/sensor.
Or, am I missing something here?
Otis Wright

Paul G.
Milwaukee, Wi.


I agree totally...well said
- particularly the part
about digitally creating
a film-based image. Also,
beyond photography, the
world in general will be
interesting when everything
can be regenerated or
simulated to appear as indistinguishable
from an
original and nothing can
adjudicate reality.
--- Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> As I mentioned elsewhere,
I think this distinction
> will become even more
> blurred when it becomes
easier to create a
> film-based image from
a
> digital one. as
I understand it, even now you need
> someone to swear
> that the photo was not
manipulated, which diminishes
> its value as
> something closely tied
to reality. Even CCTV
> images are ultimately
> going to depend on someone
vouching for their
> authenticity.

Re: law and image

[Otis Wright, Jr.]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Folks:

 Snip

  So long as the original is available,

Snip


And would someone like to define  original?   I'm always very careful
about how much weight I give an original.   A lot of things can happen
between the object of interest and the film/sensor.   Or, am I missing
something here?

Otis Wright



 Paul G.
 Milwaukee, Wi.



 I agree totally...well said - particularly the part
 about digitally creating a film-based image.  Also,
 beyond photography, the world in general will be
 interesting when everything can be regenerated or
 simulated to appear as indistinguishable from an
 original and nothing can adjudicate reality.

 --- Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  As I mentioned elsewhere, I think this distinction
  will become even more
  blurred when it becomes easier to create a
  film-based image from a
  digital one.  as I understand it, even now you need
  someone to swear
  that the photo was not manipulated, which diminishes
  its value as
  something closely tied to reality.   Even CCTV
  images are ultimately
  going to depend on someone vouching for their
  authenticity.

Re: Paal Comes Through Again

[Otis Wright, Jr.]

I'll second this comment...  In the absence of a continuos flow of product or 
product flow from Pentax,  a stream of informal clues add an important demension to 
the list---IMHO.

Otis

Bruce Dayton wrote:

 I, for one, am glad that Pål passes on what he hears/finds.  Whether
 they materialize or not, if gives me something to look into and check
 out that I might otherwise totally miss.

 A big thanks from me!

 Bruce

 Thursday, October 17, 2002, 8:50:02 AM, you wrote:

 PJ Dave wrote:

  I like what I've heard - but as I'm with Bruce on this one.  It's been
  touted by us here and on that JIJ website and on DCresource but it's still
  rumor until Pentax makes it official (at which time of course that will
  confirm or renounce Paal's ability at prognostication) :)

 PJ I don't find this discussion very interesting. I just like to point out that I'm 
not prognosticating anything but simply pass on information. If this information is 
correct or incorrect it's not
 PJ really up to me. The information is there and everyone is free to do whatever 
they want with it.

 PJ Pål

Re: Want to play?

[Otis Wright, Jr.]

Well, there goes the entertainment.

Otis

Glen O'Neal wrote:

 I have stayed completely quiet on this until now. But I feel compelled to
 speak up.

 Look    This should have all stopped with Brad's apology. We all know
 that at one time or another we have probably said something that was out of
 line. Brad, I did not like what you said. But I accepted your apology
 believing that it was sincere and that was it. In the future let's let our
 little slipups be dropped with a timely and sincere apology and be done with
 it.

 Brad, Anthony, Bob and all the others that are still beating up this dead
 horse. WE DON'T CARE. Take it offline, call each other, send telegrams or
 carrier pigeons, whatever. But please leave all this clutter off the PDML.
 We are all about photography and Pentax, not personal issues that cause
 dissention and only serve the needs of those who are indulging themselves.
 I, unlike some others read, almost every email so as not to miss some tidbit
 of valuable information that might help make me a better photographer or
 more knowledgeable about Pentax equipment. We shouldn't have to take our
 valuable time to build filters and sort through email. Please just drop this
 thread and let's get on with discussing photography.

 I have really enjoyed the PDML having just got back into it again after a
 short hiatus and find it valuable to a budding semi-pro like myself. My
 questions are answered thoughtfully and politely and my opinions are valued.
 This is how things should be in my humble opinion.

 Glen O'Neal

 -Original Message-
 From: Bob Blakely [mailto:Bob;Blakely.com]
 Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 2:50 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Want to play?

 Anthony,

 Your basically a good guy, but you've been darned abrasive to me before to.

 Regards,
 Bob...
 ---
 Beer is proof that God loves us
 and wants us to be happy
- Benjamin Franklin

 From: Anthony Farr [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  Most of this exchange has been off-list.  Thanks to William Robb it has
  returned.  Please forward complaints to William Robb
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  ---
 
  Who's insulting whom now?
 
  FYI Accesscomm did inform me that they would pursue my complaint if our
 list
  administrator forwarded the complaint (because the exchange originated
 from
  list chat).  I'm not gonna put that on Doug Brewer, because he's too busy
  with technical aspects of the list, and because it would conflict with his
  loyalties, ie. I can't expect that he would back me against you because of
  his hands off approach to list content, and because he doesn't know me
 from
  Adam.  OTOH, perhaps I should take it up with Doug.  I'm being given
 plenty
  of motive, and the evidence to make an irrefutable case.  Just keep
 pushing
  me, I'll be saving your messages, they make such good evidence.  Not very
  clever of you.
 
  If anyone cares to know what the situation is just back up to William's
  message of Sun, 13 Oct 2002 08:56:39-0600 (extracted from the header).  At
  any rate it's the message that ends,
  I liked this list a lot more when it was about film and photography. I
  thought I had useful stuff to contribute back then.
 
  My responses occured about 9 hours afterwards, You the reader can judge
 how
  awful they were (poor wounded William) ;-)
 
  14 hours later I opened an email in my Inbox (not my PDML folder) to be
 met
  with %#* you.
 
  The rest is history.  It would be best if it stayed history.  I did not
 name
  William in the last message, and as so many of the list claim not to be
  interested in these matters that leaves only a few who know or care to
 whom
  I referred.  At least until William responded.
 
  Regards,
  Anthony Farr
 
  Forwarded message from [EMAIL PROTECTED] follows
  --
  Hi Anthony,
 
  I had talked to our internet administration group about this, just to see
  where
  our policy is.  You are correct in assuming that we do have a policy
 against
  this kind of behaviour.  But, according to what I have been told, I am to
  tell
  you to contact the administrator of the mailing list, and you are to
  pressure
  them to contact our abuse department through [EMAIL PROTECTED] .  I hope
  that
  this does not stop you from continuing your efforts, but as I'm sure you
  understand, there is a procedure for everything and everyone, and if it is
  followed to the T, things happen.
 
  Iann
  --
  Internet Support Representative
  Access Communications Co-operative Limited.
  2250 Park Street, Regina, SK S4N 7K7
  Phone: 306.565.5357, Fax: 306.565.5395
  Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  - Original Message -
  From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Thursday, 17 October 2002 10:52 PM
  Subject: Re: Want to play?
 
 
  
   - Original Message -
   From: 

Re: List news (don't read this, Mr Brewer)

[Otis Wright, Jr.]

I'm in...

Otis Wright

mike wilson wrote:

 Oh well, I did warn you.

 Any of our members in the good old US of A wish to co-ordinate
 donations for a present for our list guy?  I think on (at least)
 this occasion he has done enough for us to put our hands in our
 pockets.

 mike

Re: List News

[Otis Wright, Jr.]

Thank you.  Very much appreciated on all fronts.

Otis Wright

Doug Brewer wrote:

 Hi troops,

 Bob asked for a description of what happened to the list, so here's a brief
 synopsis:

 It broke.

 The longer story is like this: The digest mode went wonky (for reasons that
 remain unclear to me), so I made an adjustment to fix it, only I fixed the
 wrong thing, which put everyone on the digest mode, and this gave birth to
 a huge loop problem which then caused the whole thing to come tumbling down
 around me.

 After attempting to fix it one piece at a time, which only served to turn
 it into an enormous house of cards again, I did what any masochist would
 do; I nuked it and started all over. Once I had it up and running, the
 software was misinterpreting subscribe requests and subscribing itself
 instead of the requested subscribe address, which took me a while to track
 down.I'm pretty sure I have that corrected.

 It is still a little wobbly, but over the last few days I've been getting
 nearer to a stable set-up. I think now I have the reply-to setting under
 control and have just added a couple of scripts to reject excessive
 quoting, attachments, HTML/MIME and a couple other things.

 Next up on the agenda is to address the digest format and again implement
 the no-mail option, for those of you concerned about those.

 I apologize for the inconvenience of all this, and hope the new set-up will
 again act in the efficient and invisible manner for which it is designed.

 Thanks,

 Doug List Guy Brewer
 we now return you to your regularly scheduled pissing contest. Anybody took
 any photos lately?

Re: Reality checks Part 1

[Otis Wright, Jr.]

I'm sure that the product/program staff dial in at least when they need a laugh.

Otis

Rob Studdert wrote:

 On 13 Oct 2002 at 19:36, Brad Dobo wrote:

  Hey,
 
  It seems that those who replied to my email only argued one point.  That Big
  Brother is watching.

 I don't know that BB is watching but Pentax used to watch the list, to the
 point where it become too uncomfortable for them to host. No why it should be
 different here to several other lists that I have participated in I don't know
 however just because no one appears to be responding as a Pentax representative
 doesn't mean that they aren't watching. Stranger things have happened (and have
 in the past, pre-Dobo)

 Cheers,

 Rob Studdert
 HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
 Tel +61-2-9554-4110
 UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html

Re: A must read! (WAS Re: Digital-only labs)

[Otis Wright, Jr.]

And sometimes it appears that signal noise created by the power aberrations
activates the write sequence in the controller just long enough to
overwrite critical data.   See this a lot on platters we have analyzed for
recovery.   Especially where there are multiple on off cycles.

Otis

Feroze Kistan wrote:

 They can when the head unit bounces and hits the platter when the surge
 cause the tip to jump higher than normal
 - Original Message -
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 1:18 AM
 Subject: Re: A must read! (WAS Re: Digital-only labs)

   The disc platters themselves are magnetic metal and probably
  not capable of being damaged by a power surge.

Re: Pentax at Photokina

[Otis Wright, Jr.]

Not withstanding the fact that the everything better claim doesn't sell very
well, it has been my experience that digital has not reduced employment  --- and
almost always in the short to medium term increase staffing.   I seldom find in
administrative areas that there are any staff reductions achieved, mostly net
increases.  Some times the time lost dealing with losses due to new ability to
play rather than work can be quite frustrating and very difficult to deal with.
But these are just my observations.  Would be interested in reading any
publications you might have that support your theory.

Otis Wright

Alan Chan wrote:

  Digital makes EVERYTHING better!

 I am native I know. But digital does not make things better. Just look at
 the unemployment rate all over the world due to computing automation. As far
 as I can see, computers are here to take over our jobs.  :(

 regards,
 Alan Chan

Re: The cause

[Otis Wright, Jr.]

I tend to give them the benefit of the doubt.  I assume that if it made
business sense, they'd produce one.   I suspect their assessment of the
market potential based on what they can afford to invest just doesn't
stack up against other opportunities.  Hard to fault them for that.   I
have the sense that the amount of capital a co. has to put at risk to
stay in some of these high tech markets is rising faster than the
potential market putting some of the new product programs in the
bet-your-badge category for execs who don't like to be put in that
position.   Anyone  looked at the cost to set up a new chip
manufacturing facility.  Mind boggling.

Otis Wright

Ryan K. Brooks wrote:

 So I sent letters to James Leffel (sales and mktg) and Bob Bender
 (president) at Pentax today, expressing my displeasure re: DSLR
 availability.

 Anyone else do this?

 R