Re: Opinions please
Bob W wrote: A picture: http://www.web-options.com/L1000308.jpg The highlights, particularly the child's face, look blown out, but they're not really. Sometimes there is no detail in white. Bob That is rather brilliant. I'd say, another surrealist shot in the vein of your girl in the park. D -- der...@iinet.net.au http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bob W wrote: A picture: http://www.web-options.com/L1000308.jpg The highlights, particularly the child's face, look blown out, but they're not really. Sometimes there is no detail in white. Bob That is rather brilliant. I'd say, another surrealist shot in the vein of your girl in the park. D Thanks to everyone who opinionated - the picture was far better received than I expected it to be. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Very good capture Bob. Agree white should not offer detail other than any other colors or shades (didn't work so well this transtation, but I always get tired by this time of night). I keep trying to adjust the horizon, CCW just a little bit... minor nit indeed. One shot or did you bracket? the buildings and road are not straight or level in any dimension. Plus I took it with a why dangle lens, so things are a bit distorted. I didn't bracket. I got one shot in just before this one, then he was gone from the good background. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Here comes another vote from the Norwegian jury. -- MaritimTim 2009/5/25 Bob W p...@web-options.com: A picture: http://www.web-options.com/L1000308.jpg The highlights, particularly the child's face, look blown out, but they're not really. Sometimes there is no detail in white. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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A picture: http://www.web-options.com/L1000308.jpg The highlights, particularly the child's face, look blown out, but they're not really. Sometimes there is no detail in white. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: A picture: http://www.web-options.com/L1000308.jpg The highlights, particularly the child's face, look blown out, but they're not really. Sometimes there is no detail in white. Death, destruction, people with weapons - wait, that was another thread. Okay, keeping in mind that I have very low standards for myself, I'd be very happy with this one. You caught the child perfectly mid-stride (not an easy thing to do with scooters and skateboards and the like) and ~also~ in just the right position in the frame (between the doors and those black poles). The geometry in this is amazing. Whether the face is blown out or not, I guess I'd prefer a bit more detail in it, but that lack of detail isn't enough to turn take this good photo and turn it into a bad one. In other words (god I'm feeling inarticulate this evening!) I like it a lot. Now I must leave the office, go home and eat dinner. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mon, 25 May 2009 22:55:07 +0100 Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: http://www.web-options.com/L1000308.jpg The highlights, particularly the child's face, look blown out, but they're not really. Sometimes there is no detail in white. Bob would like a higher def version but... I like how the shot works to emphasize how wee the lad is. verticals and the window sill is even over his head. -- Love is that condition in which the happiness of another person is essential to your own... Jealousy is a disease, love is a healthy condition.- Robert Heinlein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Very good capture Bob. Agree white should not offer detail other than any other colors or shades (didn't work so well this transtation, but I always get tired by this time of night). I keep trying to adjust the horizon, CCW just a little bit... minor nit indeed. One shot or did you bracket? LF Bob W escreveu: A picture: http://www.web-options.com/L1000308.jpg The highlights, particularly the child's face, look blown out, but they're not really. Sometimes there is no detail in white. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Luiz Felipe luiz.felipe at techmit.com.br http://techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Bob W p...@web-options.com A picture: http://www.web-options.com/L1000308.jpg The highlights, particularly the child's face, look blown out, but they're not really. Sometimes there is no detail in white. I like it ... it looks like a figure in a diorama rather than a real child, makes that leap out of documentarian into abstrative perception. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 25/5/09, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: http://www.web-options.com/L1000308.jpg The highlights, particularly the child's face, look blown out, but they're not really. Sometimes there is no detail in white. Looks fine to me, I can see plenty of detail. Nice pic. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Exposure looks fine to me. I like it. On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 4:55 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: A picture: http://www.web-options.com/L1000308.jpg The highlights, particularly the child's face, look blown out, but they're not really. Sometimes there is no detail in white. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- ~Nick David Wright http://www.nickdavidwright.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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He's a red-head. Like me at his age, he has no color to his skin. But there are freckles, I'd wager. Move in closer! On May 25, 2009, at 14:55 , Bob W wrote: A picture: http://www.web-options.com/L1000308.jpg The highlights, particularly the child's face, look blown out, but they're not really. Sometimes there is no detail in white. Joseph McAllister Pentaxian http://gallery.me.com/jomac http://web.me.com/jomac/show.me/Blog/Blog.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I like it. I'm looking at it on my laptop, so much is lost. But it projects a mood that I'd describe as mysterious if not dark. The child appears almost as a mannequin, and his position in frame and tightly programmed look contribute to a somewhat unnatural feeling. Strange, interesting, compelling. Paul On May 25, 2009, at 5:55 PM, Bob W wrote: A picture: http://www.web-options.com/L1000308.jpg The highlights, particularly the child's face, look blown out, but they're not really. Sometimes there is no detail in white. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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What Godfrey said Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi godd...@mac.com Subject: Re: Opinions please From: Bob W p...@web-options.com A picture: http://www.web-options.com/L1000308.jpg The highlights, particularly the child's face, look blown out, but they're not really. Sometimes there is no detail in white. I like it ... it looks like a figure in a diorama rather than a real child, makes that leap out of documentarian into abstrative perception. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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This has red hair. Therefore the way his face came out is only natural... Or at least this is what I am thinking. On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 12:55 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: A picture: http://www.web-options.com/L1000308.jpg The highlights, particularly the child's face, look blown out, but they're not really. Sometimes there is no detail in white. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Fez - candidate essay for the RPS. Opinions please.
Wow - thanks Stan, that's a really good critique and I will spend a lot more time digesting it and taking note. Much appreciated. So why don't you hop over on Saturday and take such a shot? Are you a dedicated photographer or not? Just at the moment I don't really have time to get over there - I have to buy some new lens caps on Saturday, and if that's not dedication I don't know what is. However, I might have some of the locals brought over here and have them be candid for me while I get the right shot. Final caveat: I would like to think that I could come up with an equivalent set of images in the same time period if I were to travel there, but I don't have a Leica. Or your good eye. I didn't take the Leicas with me, but I guess it's enough just to have them in my safe back at home to make me the photographic great that I am! Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stan Halpin Sent: 22 October 2008 03:09 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Fez - candidate essay for the RPS. Opinions please. A few thoughts. First, again with the caveat that I am not familiar with the photo-essay concept as might be interpreted by the distinguished learned judges, I have been uncomfortable with the two- part structure you have selected since you first mentioned it. Without narration (as in a live slide show) (assuming that the essay needs to stand on its own) then what ties the two halves together? Looking at this version, I am left with the same question. Taking the two parts separately, I think the tannery portion is good. Good images, it tells a story, it starts wide, comes into details, it ends with an exclamation point. I struggled to find a theme in the second portion. At first I thought it was about commerce in the streets. Oh, no, it is about cats. No, it is about the people in everyday life. I guess. My suggestions would be: a) flip the two halves; b) for the street- scenes portion, mix the order a bit so that, for example, you move from commerce to normal people and back to disabuse the viewer that there is any theme but the variety of street life. My specific ordering, using current ordinal numbers from the site, would be 8, 10, 11, 14, 9, 12, 13, 15, 1-7, 16. This sequence would have you starting with a wide shot to establish the locale, zooming in to wide angle street scenes, then further in to tighter shots, then back out (with #1) to a subset of the city, then into the gritty details of the tanning operation, ending with a tight exclamation of color (#7), then back out to the afternoon light over the larger city to put it all back into context again. #1 becomes the answer to my question about what ties the two halves together. And this sequence or similar would keep #9, but would bury it deeper; as a first detail shot in the sequence it is too jarring, but as a middle shot it fits into the context established. The ordering of the halves is almost a glass half-empty vs. glass half-full proposition. My way says: Isn't this a nice interesting city with friendly exotic looking people going about their daily lives. But in the background we have this nasty work that is done to produce items of beauty. Your way says: Look at this nasty work to produce a fine product (sub-text: and we unrepentant colonizers never think about this side of life), but oh by the way the city does have its charms as well. Putting the street scenes first lets the viewer put the tannery into that context, but putting the tannery first forces the viewer to put it into their own context. Which may be out of synch with the second half of the essay. E.g., the second half could just as well be street shots in London or Paris with details of gents' shoes and ladies' handbags and schoolboys' leather day packs. One other thought. Following my sequence and my story line, it would be nice to have the last shot in the first sequence be another street scene, but one with leather goods for sale in the background. I think this was mentioned before, and you said you don't have such a shot. So why don't you hop over on Saturday and take such a shot? Are you a dedicated photographer or not? Final caveat: I would like to think that I could come up with an equivalent set of images in the same time period if I were to travel there, but I don't have a Leica. Or your good eye. Thanks for asking for our input. stan On Oct 17, 2008, at 6:07 PM, Bob W wrote: Here's another draft of the slideshow, incorporating some suggestions people have kindly made: http://www.web-options.com/ARPS2/ Comments solicited. Thanks, Bob From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] Whatever their other qualities, the RPS judges just won't even consider them if they have gross technical faults. How very middleagedwhitemale of them. Don't they know art (sorry, Art) when they see it? Outraged of Notting Hill
RE: Fez - candidate essay for the RPS. Opinions please.
Hi Boris, Thanks for the comment - I hadn't noticed the similarity between 2 and 5 before. I will give some thought to that. The workshop is on Sunday, so I may be making several changes, depending on their reactions to the pictures. I like 9. Can't write more, still in the middle of re-installing Windows and Office following an act of gross stupidity over the weekend. Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Boris Liberman Sent: 20 October 2008 20:07 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Fez - candidate essay for the RPS. Opinions please. Bob W wrote: Here's another draft of the slideshow, incorporating some suggestions people have kindly made: http://www.web-options.com/ARPS2/ Comments solicited. Thanks, Bob Bob, I think that #2 is considerably weaker than photo #5 whereas they seem to be about the same motif. Also I am not entirely sure about photo #9, but may be I am mistaken in some way. Just my cents worth. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Fez - candidate essay for the RPS. Opinions please.
A few thoughts. First, again with the caveat that I am not familiar with the photo-essay concept as might be interpreted by the distinguished learned judges, I have been uncomfortable with the two- part structure you have selected since you first mentioned it. Without narration (as in a live slide show) (assuming that the essay needs to stand on its own) then what ties the two halves together? Looking at this version, I am left with the same question. Taking the two parts separately, I think the tannery portion is good. Good images, it tells a story, it starts wide, comes into details, it ends with an exclamation point. I struggled to find a theme in the second portion. At first I thought it was about commerce in the streets. Oh, no, it is about cats. No, it is about the people in everyday life. I guess. My suggestions would be: a) flip the two halves; b) for the street- scenes portion, mix the order a bit so that, for example, you move from commerce to normal people and back to disabuse the viewer that there is any theme but the variety of street life. My specific ordering, using current ordinal numbers from the site, would be 8, 10, 11, 14, 9, 12, 13, 15, 1-7, 16. This sequence would have you starting with a wide shot to establish the locale, zooming in to wide angle street scenes, then further in to tighter shots, then back out (with #1) to a subset of the city, then into the gritty details of the tanning operation, ending with a tight exclamation of color (#7), then back out to the afternoon light over the larger city to put it all back into context again. #1 becomes the answer to my question about what ties the two halves together. And this sequence or similar would keep #9, but would bury it deeper; as a first detail shot in the sequence it is too jarring, but as a middle shot it fits into the context established. The ordering of the halves is almost a glass half-empty vs. glass half-full proposition. My way says: Isn't this a nice interesting city with friendly exotic looking people going about their daily lives. But in the background we have this nasty work that is done to produce items of beauty. Your way says: Look at this nasty work to produce a fine product (sub-text: and we unrepentant colonizers never think about this side of life), but oh by the way the city does have its charms as well. Putting the street scenes first lets the viewer put the tannery into that context, but putting the tannery first forces the viewer to put it into their own context. Which may be out of synch with the second half of the essay. E.g., the second half could just as well be street shots in London or Paris with details of gents' shoes and ladies' handbags and schoolboys' leather day packs. One other thought. Following my sequence and my story line, it would be nice to have the last shot in the first sequence be another street scene, but one with leather goods for sale in the background. I think this was mentioned before, and you said you don't have such a shot. So why don't you hop over on Saturday and take such a shot? Are you a dedicated photographer or not? Final caveat: I would like to think that I could come up with an equivalent set of images in the same time period if I were to travel there, but I don't have a Leica. Or your good eye. Thanks for asking for our input. stan On Oct 17, 2008, at 6:07 PM, Bob W wrote: Here's another draft of the slideshow, incorporating some suggestions people have kindly made: http://www.web-options.com/ARPS2/ Comments solicited. Thanks, Bob From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] Whatever their other qualities, the RPS judges just won't even consider them if they have gross technical faults. How very middleagedwhitemale of them. Don't they know art (sorry, Art) when they see it? Outraged of Notting Hill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Fez - candidate essay for the RPS. Opinions please.
Bob W wrote: Here's another draft of the slideshow, incorporating some suggestions people have kindly made: http://www.web-options.com/ARPS2/ Comments solicited. Thanks, Bob Bob, I think that #2 is considerably weaker than photo #5 whereas they seem to be about the same motif. Also I am not entirely sure about photo #9, but may be I am mistaken in some way. Just my cents worth. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: RE: Fez - candidate essay for the RPS. Opinions please.
From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] Whatever their other qualities, the RPS judges just won't even consider them if they have gross technical faults. How very middleagedwhitemale of them. Don't they know art (sorry, Art) when they see it? Outraged of Notting Hill - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: RE: Fez - candidate essay for the RPS. Opinions please.
From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] Whatever their other qualities, the RPS judges just won't even consider them if they have gross technical faults. How very middleagedwhitemale of them. Don't they know art (sorry, Art) when they see it? Outraged of Notting Hill They're just a bunch of middle-aged white men with Leicas. Bastards. No, wait, hang on, I'm a middle-aged white man with Leicas. They are 100% correct in everything. Actually they're not that bad, but it's their game and if I want to play I have to follow their rules. I'm a member of the so-called Visual Journalism SIG which is much more relaxed about these things. Your pictures can be as technically poor as you like as long as they include a wailing woman. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: RE: Fez - candidate essay for the RPS. Opinions please.
Here's another draft of the slideshow, incorporating some suggestions people have kindly made: http://www.web-options.com/ARPS2/ Comments solicited. Thanks, Bob From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] Whatever their other qualities, the RPS judges just won't even consider them if they have gross technical faults. How very middleagedwhitemale of them. Don't they know art (sorry, Art) when they see it? Outraged of Notting Hill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Fez - candidate essay for the RPS. Opinions please.
From: Stan Halpin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/10/16 Thu AM 12:27:26 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Fez - candidate essay for the RPS. Opinions please. Not sure I understand the criteria for success in this context, but among these 9 images, I think the strongest and the one I would end a mini-show with is #7. The bright yellow is a nice exclamation point behind what has been mostly muted colors. stan Precisely my thoughts. I was wondering about the muted tones of the galleries and wondering why you had not picked up on the spots of bright colour in the landscape. If you had a closeup of either a brightly coloured skin or an artifact created from the bright leather, that would contrast soundly with the foregoing pictures and provide your end point. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Fez - candidate essay for the RPS. Opinions please.
My opinion... I'd drop the man in the door image. The cut off human and very little detail to show what I can assume is the final step in the process as you depicted it, storage, just don't do it for me. I'd then move the last image into position #3. Doesn't seem to fit as a last image, but the pointing hand adds another action to the series. I know he's at the dying vats, but that is not that apparent. If the red stain on the middle foreground vat bothers, you could position it later in the count, but before the other dying vat images. Then as suggested, the yellow image becomes the final one. Hope that helps in some way... Joseph McAllister Pentaxian On Oct 15, 2008, at 21:02 , Stan Halpin wrote: Not sure I understand the criteria for success in this context, but among these 9 images, I think the strongest and the one I would end a mini-show with is #7. The bright yellow is a nice exclamation point behind what has been mostly muted colors. stan On Oct 15, 2008, at 5:41 PM, David J Brooks wrote: Very nice Bob. As Frank said, i don't envy the thought of editing those to 8-9 photos. Dave On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 7:01 AM, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A couple of days ago I posted a first edit of the tanneries in Fez: http://www.web-options.com/Tanneries/ For the ARPS submission I need an essay of exactly 15 pictures. I have decided that I will probably make 2 mini-essays, presented as a slideshow, one of which will be about the tanneries - 6-8 pictures. Here is my 2nd edit of the tanneries section, done as a Flash gallery so you can see approximately how the slideshow will work: http://www.web-options.com/RPSTanneries/ I'd welcome your thoughts about the content, sequencing and so on. It will need to lose some pictures, but I will take part in an RPS workshop later this month where I will discuss what is strongest - your views are important to me though (I sound like a call centre!). My main feeling about this one is that it really needs a stronger clincher to close the set. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Fez - candidate essay for the RPS. Opinions please.
There's a lot of food for thought in the recent messages from Mike, Joe, Stan and Doug. I'm going to try out some of the ideas of the next couple of days and post another slide show with the result. I do have a shot of the slippers I bought at one of the tanneries, but I don't think it really fits with what I'm trying to do. http://www.web-options.com/Fez3.jpg I like the idea of opening with the shot of the young man holding the skin (although I must disagree with Doug about its Botticelli-like qualities! Are you sure you weren't thinking of botulism?): http://www.web-options.com/Tanneries/content/_9289063_large.html and perhaps finishing with the wider overview, which Doug thinks is a better opener than my current one: http://www.web-options.com/Tanneries/content/_9299169_large.html Stan's detailed suggestions are very useful indeed. I'll play around a bit. Some of them which I like a lot I have to drop because they have technical faults, such as highlights beyond the point of rescue. Whatever their other qualities, the RPS judges just won't even consider them if they have gross technical faults. Thanks! Bob From: Stan Halpin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/10/16 Thu AM 12:27:26 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Fez - candidate essay for the RPS. Opinions please. Not sure I understand the criteria for success in this context, but among these 9 images, I think the strongest and the one I would end a mini-show with is #7. The bright yellow is a nice exclamation point behind what has been mostly muted colors. stan Precisely my thoughts. I was wondering about the muted tones of the galleries and wondering why you had not picked up on the spots of bright colour in the landscape. If you had a closeup of either a brightly coloured skin or an artifact created from the bright leather, that would contrast soundly with the foregoing pictures and provide your end point. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Hi Bob: Boy, your 9 pic essay really is great. The sequencing looks good to me. You know, I really like this shot http://www.web-options.com/Tanneries/content/_A039925_large.html, which is not in your 2nd edit. Just a thought--really all the pics in the 2nd edit are great. I have no idea what to suggest for a stronger clincher. Clearly your RPS workshop will be of more help to you than I just was. Anyway, I think you're off to a great start. Really enjoyed seeing these. Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 6:01 AM Subject: Fez - candidate essay for the RPS. Opinions please. A couple of days ago I posted a first edit of the tanneries in Fez: http://www.web-options.com/Tanneries/ For the ARPS submission I need an essay of exactly 15 pictures. I have decided that I will probably make 2 mini-essays, presented as a slideshow, one of which will be about the tanneries - 6-8 pictures. Here is my 2nd edit of the tanneries section, done as a Flash gallery so you can see approximately how the slideshow will work: http://www.web-options.com/RPSTanneries/ I'd welcome your thoughts about the content, sequencing and so on. It will need to lose some pictures, but I will take part in an RPS workshop later this month where I will discuss what is strongest - your views are important to me though (I sound like a call centre!). My main feeling about this one is that it really needs a stronger clincher to close the set. Fire away! Thanks, Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thanks Christine. I like that shot too, and it was a wrench to edit it out. But the RPS judges are very strict about repetition, and it is too similar to the shot which is currently the final one in the series - I don't think it adds anything to the essay, and it would slightly disrupt the rhythm, which is a slow closing in from the wide view to the very close up, then pulling back. I have made another slide show with other candidate photos from Fez. I couldn't find anything else to be a clincher for that series, so I have started the 2nd section with a wide view of Fez to act as a full stop. This still needs to lose 7 pictures and be a balanced essay. I will probably be taken these photos to the workshop in just over a week. Again, I'd be pleased to hear people's comments: http://www.web-options.com/ARPS/ Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christine Aguila Sent: 15 October 2008 07:10 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Fez - candidate essay for the RPS. Opinions please. Hi Bob: Boy, your 9 pic essay really is great. The sequencing looks good to me. You know, I really like this shot http://www.web-options.com/Tanneries/content/_A039925_large.ht ml, which is not in your 2nd edit. Just a thought--really all the pics in the 2nd edit are great. I have no idea what to suggest for a stronger clincher. Clearly your RPS workshop will be of more help to you than I just was. Anyway, I think you're off to a great start. Really enjoyed seeing these. Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 6:01 AM Subject: Fez - candidate essay for the RPS. Opinions please. A couple of days ago I posted a first edit of the tanneries in Fez: http://www.web-options.com/Tanneries/ For the ARPS submission I need an essay of exactly 15 pictures. I have decided that I will probably make 2 mini-essays, presented as a slideshow, one of which will be about the tanneries - 6-8 pictures. Here is my 2nd edit of the tanneries section, done as a Flash gallery so you can see approximately how the slideshow will work: http://www.web-options.com/RPSTanneries/ I'd welcome your thoughts about the content, sequencing and so on. It will need to lose some pictures, but I will take part in an RPS workshop later this month where I will discuss what is strongest - your views are important to me though (I sound like a call centre!). My main feeling about this one is that it really needs a stronger clincher to close the set. Fire away! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bob, All the Fez photos are very accomplished and the series are interesting. I think the problem with the clincher is not having a very close photo. Perhaps some link of portrait would be too cliche, but I yearn for a closer contact. Of course, this is not so easy to get... Thanks for posting these. I always learn by watching what you're doing. Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 2:59 AM, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Christine. I like that shot too, and it was a wrench to edit it out. But the RPS judges are very strict about repetition, and it is too similar to the shot which is currently the final one in the series - I don't think it adds anything to the essay, and it would slightly disrupt the rhythm, which is a slow closing in from the wide view to the very close up, then pulling back. I have made another slide show with other candidate photos from Fez. I couldn't find anything else to be a clincher for that series, so I have started the 2nd section with a wide view of Fez to act as a full stop. This still needs to lose 7 pictures and be a balanced essay. I will probably be taken these photos to the workshop in just over a week. Again, I'd be pleased to hear people's comments: http://www.web-options.com/ARPS/ Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christine Aguila Sent: 15 October 2008 07:10 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Fez - candidate essay for the RPS. Opinions please. Hi Bob: Boy, your 9 pic essay really is great. The sequencing looks good to me. You know, I really like this shot http://www.web-options.com/Tanneries/content/_A039925_large.ht ml, which is not in your 2nd edit. Just a thought--really all the pics in the 2nd edit are great. I have no idea what to suggest for a stronger clincher. Clearly your RPS workshop will be of more help to you than I just was. Anyway, I think you're off to a great start. Really enjoyed seeing these. Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 6:01 AM Subject: Fez - candidate essay for the RPS. Opinions please. A couple of days ago I posted a first edit of the tanneries in Fez: http://www.web-options.com/Tanneries/ For the ARPS submission I need an essay of exactly 15 pictures. I have decided that I will probably make 2 mini-essays, presented as a slideshow, one of which will be about the tanneries - 6-8 pictures. Here is my 2nd edit of the tanneries section, done as a Flash gallery so you can see approximately how the slideshow will work: http://www.web-options.com/RPSTanneries/ I'd welcome your thoughts about the content, sequencing and so on. It will need to lose some pictures, but I will take part in an RPS workshop later this month where I will discuss what is strongest - your views are important to me though (I sound like a call centre!). My main feeling about this one is that it really needs a stronger clincher to close the set. Fire away! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I agree - I think a portrait of one of the workers would be very effective as a clincher for the tanneries shots. Unfortunately I haven't got one - I wasn't shooting to a plan, so I never thought of it. I lie awake at night kicking myself for not getting a portrait of a knackered-looking worker, but we live and learn. I will continue the search for a clincher though. Thanks for your comments - very helpful. And the flattery too :o) Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Sullivan Sent: 15 October 2008 16:57 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Fez - candidate essay for the RPS. Opinions please. Bob, All the Fez photos are very accomplished and the series are interesting. I think the problem with the clincher is not having a very close photo. Perhaps some link of portrait would be too cliche, but I yearn for a closer contact. Of course, this is not so easy to get... Thanks for posting these. I always learn by watching what you're doing. Regards, Bob S. [...] Here is my 2nd edit of the tanneries section, done as a Flash gallery so you can see approximately how the slideshow will work: http://www.web-options.com/RPSTanneries/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 7:01 AM, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A couple of days ago I posted a first edit of the tanneries in Fez: http://www.web-options.com/Tanneries/ For the ARPS submission I need an essay of exactly 15 pictures. I have decided that I will probably make 2 mini-essays, presented as a slideshow, one of which will be about the tanneries - 6-8 pictures. Here is my 2nd edit of the tanneries section, done as a Flash gallery so you can see approximately how the slideshow will work: http://www.web-options.com/RPSTanneries/ I'd welcome your thoughts about the content, sequencing and so on. It will need to lose some pictures, but I will take part in an RPS workshop later this month where I will discuss what is strongest - your views are important to me though (I sound like a call centre!). My main feeling about this one is that it really needs a stronger clincher to close the set. Fire away! I can't help you much with order or culling, I just wanted to say that this is a wonderful series of photos. I don't envy you in trying to hone it down to 6 to 8 photos... cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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[...] Here is my 2nd edit of the tanneries section, done as a Flash gallery so you can see approximately how the slideshow will work: http://www.web-options.com/RPSTanneries/ I'd welcome your thoughts about the content, sequencing and so on. It will need to lose some pictures, but I will take part in an RPS workshop later this month where I will discuss what is strongest - your views are important to me though (I sound like a call centre!). My main feeling about this one is that it really needs a stronger clincher to close the set. Fire away! I can't help you much with order or culling, I just wanted to say that this is a wonderful series of photos. I don't envy you in trying to hone it down to 6 to 8 photos... cheers, frank Thanks! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Incidentally, I've booked myself onto a workshop on the 26th of this month to review this essay and get feedback before submitting it later this year or early next for assessment for the distinction. Interestingly the workshop is looking not just at Travel but also at Visual Art. I don't know what Visual Art is, so I thought I'd better check. According to the RPS The Visual Art Group was founded in January 1921 to foster the interest and advancement in all matters relating to Pictorial Photography. . Apart from the pioneers such as Stieglitz and Emerson, whom I admire tremendously, I have always tried to steer clear of pictorial photography, so it should make for an interesting day. The RPS Visual Art Group has a website: http://www.visualartgroup.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob W Sent: 15 October 2008 20:08 To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' Subject: RE: Fez - candidate essay for the RPS. Opinions please. I agree - I think a portrait of one of the workers would be very effective as a clincher for the tanneries shots. Unfortunately I haven't got one - I wasn't shooting to a plan, so I never thought of it. I lie awake at night kicking myself for not getting a portrait of a knackered-looking worker, but we live and learn. I will continue the search for a clincher though. Thanks for your comments - very helpful. And the flattery too :o) Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Sullivan Sent: 15 October 2008 16:57 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Fez - candidate essay for the RPS. Opinions please. Bob, All the Fez photos are very accomplished and the series are interesting. I think the problem with the clincher is not having a very close photo. Perhaps some link of portrait would be too cliche, but I yearn for a closer contact. Of course, this is not so easy to get... Thanks for posting these. I always learn by watching what you're doing. Regards, Bob S. [...] Here is my 2nd edit of the tanneries section, done as a Flash gallery so you can see approximately how the slideshow will work: http://www.web-options.com/RPSTanneries/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Very nice Bob. As Frank said, i don't envy the thought of editing those to 8-9 photos. Dave On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 7:01 AM, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A couple of days ago I posted a first edit of the tanneries in Fez: http://www.web-options.com/Tanneries/ For the ARPS submission I need an essay of exactly 15 pictures. I have decided that I will probably make 2 mini-essays, presented as a slideshow, one of which will be about the tanneries - 6-8 pictures. Here is my 2nd edit of the tanneries section, done as a Flash gallery so you can see approximately how the slideshow will work: http://www.web-options.com/RPSTanneries/ I'd welcome your thoughts about the content, sequencing and so on. It will need to lose some pictures, but I will take part in an RPS workshop later this month where I will discuss what is strongest - your views are important to me though (I sound like a call centre!). My main feeling about this one is that it really needs a stronger clincher to close the set. Fire away! Thanks, Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Not sure I understand the criteria for success in this context, but among these 9 images, I think the strongest and the one I would end a mini-show with is #7. The bright yellow is a nice exclamation point behind what has been mostly muted colors. stan On Oct 15, 2008, at 5:41 PM, David J Brooks wrote: Very nice Bob. As Frank said, i don't envy the thought of editing those to 8-9 photos. Dave On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 7:01 AM, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A couple of days ago I posted a first edit of the tanneries in Fez: http://www.web-options.com/Tanneries/ For the ARPS submission I need an essay of exactly 15 pictures. I have decided that I will probably make 2 mini-essays, presented as a slideshow, one of which will be about the tanneries - 6-8 pictures. Here is my 2nd edit of the tanneries section, done as a Flash gallery so you can see approximately how the slideshow will work: http://www.web-options.com/RPSTanneries/ I'd welcome your thoughts about the content, sequencing and so on. It will need to lose some pictures, but I will take part in an RPS workshop later this month where I will discuss what is strongest - your views are important to me though (I sound like a call centre!). My main feeling about this one is that it really needs a stronger clincher to close the set. Fire away! Thanks, Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I went back and looked at the whole set in that first edit. For what it is worth, I would still end with #7 from the reduced set. Number 8 and 9 I would delete. In their place I would use 9299-213 in position #7 and A039901 in #8 position. Oh, and I would choose -171 vs. -174 for the second position. The two others that really caught my eye were 9299-132 and -142. Back in the day, when I would occasionally do slide shows (as in, light shining through transparency film, focused by a lens onto a white screen) for climbing clubs, cycling clubs, church groups, family and/or friends, I would vary the pace considerably from image to image and section to section. Some shots deserve examination, maybe discussion. Others are better placed in a linear virtual montage (i.e., 1.0-1.5 secs per image). As I have been working on book layouts, I find that I have been varying the pace through sizing and positioning the images. As I understand what you are doing, with a metronomic delivery of images, it is much more challenging as each image needs to stand on its own as well as fitting in with the whole. stan On Oct 15, 2008, at 7:27 PM, Stan Halpin wrote: Not sure I understand the criteria for success in this context, but among these 9 images, I think the strongest and the one I would end a mini-show with is #7. The bright yellow is a nice exclamation point behind what has been mostly muted colors. stan On Oct 15, 2008, at 5:41 PM, David J Brooks wrote: Very nice Bob. As Frank said, i don't envy the thought of editing those to 8-9 photos. Dave On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 7:01 AM, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A couple of days ago I posted a first edit of the tanneries in Fez: http://www.web-options.com/Tanneries/ For the ARPS submission I need an essay of exactly 15 pictures. I have decided that I will probably make 2 mini-essays, presented as a slideshow, one of which will be about the tanneries - 6-8 pictures. Here is my 2nd edit of the tanneries section, done as a Flash gallery so you can see approximately how the slideshow will work: http://www.web-options.com/RPSTanneries/ I'd welcome your thoughts about the content, sequencing and so on. It will need to lose some pictures, but I will take part in an RPS workshop later this month where I will discuss what is strongest - your views are important to me though (I sound like a call centre!). My main feeling about this one is that it really needs a stronger clincher to close the set. Fire away! Thanks, Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Oct 12, 2008, at 7:01 AM, Bob W wrote: A couple of days ago I posted a first edit of the tanneries in Fez: http://www.web-options.com/Tanneries/ For the ARPS submission I need an essay of exactly 15 pictures. I have decided that I will probably make 2 mini-essays, presented as a slideshow, one of which will be about the tanneries - 6-8 pictures. Here is my 2nd edit of the tanneries section, done as a Flash gallery so you can see approximately how the slideshow will work: http://www.web-options.com/RPSTanneries/ I'd welcome your thoughts about the content, sequencing and so on. It will need to lose some pictures, but I will take part in an RPS workshop later this month where I will discuss what is strongest - your views are important to me though (I sound like a call centre!). My main feeling about this one is that it really needs a stronger clincher to close the set. Fire away! Thanks, Bob Bob, I've visited these galleries several times now, looking at them different orders, and I've come to the conclusion that because of this, your bandwidth usage is probably up. You're welcome. Now, about the gallery/sequence, I just don't get along with your lead photo as a lead photo. While I understand the idea of the establishing shot, I don't feel this is a strong enough image for the subject introduction. I prefer image #13 in the original Tanneries gallery as the lead-in, both for its wider view and its stronger composition. The next shot brings us into the action. I would like to see a little more pop in it, but I also see the charm of the limited range. Number three is a corker of a shot. Are you trying to establish a process illustration through this gallery (this happens, then this happens, then they eat, then they load the donkey), and if so, is this in its proper place? The fourth image, I feel, is the weaker of the bunch. I could see replacing it with the first image in the Tanneries group, which is a =very= good photo, the boy assuming a pose that is at once contemporary and almost Renaissance. I am put in mind of Botticelli. Not anything specific of his, mind you, just in the way the hands are held, and the head tilted reverently, surrounded by the arch. Next we have the requisite NatGeo red shirt guys, and they are better served by the other grouping of them, number 31 in the Tanneries gallery. I'm a big fan of the triangle up composition, and the light appears a touch better. No arguments with the next two photos, though putting them together might detract, as they seem to my eye to be very similar shots. The second, with the yellow, is the stronger of the two. The guy in the short doorway should maybe lead to an interior shot, like #29 in Tanneries. The last photo in the gallery is a good one, but I do agree something stronger is necessary. #35 or #36 are good possibles. Finishing with the ass's ass, while funny, might be a little egregious. Hope this helps. Feel free to shout me down or ignore me, but whatever you decide, best of luck in your pursuit. Doug -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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It is really tough question, Sir Bob, that you're asking. I, for one, really liked the slide show. Many photographs of other photographers came up in my mind when I saw this gallery. I cannot say much about this APRS submission business, but I do thank you for taking me visually along on your trip to Morocco. Boris Bob W wrote: A couple of days ago I posted a first edit of the tanneries in Fez: http://www.web-options.com/Tanneries/ For the ARPS submission I need an essay of exactly 15 pictures. I have decided that I will probably make 2 mini-essays, presented as a slideshow, one of which will be about the tanneries - 6-8 pictures. Here is my 2nd edit of the tanneries section, done as a Flash gallery so you can see approximately how the slideshow will work: http://www.web-options.com/RPSTanneries/ I'd welcome your thoughts about the content, sequencing and so on. It will need to lose some pictures, but I will take part in an RPS workshop later this month where I will discuss what is strongest - your views are important to me though (I sound like a call centre!). My main feeling about this one is that it really needs a stronger clincher to close the set. Fire away! Thanks, Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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A couple of days ago I posted a first edit of the tanneries in Fez: http://www.web-options.com/Tanneries/ For the ARPS submission I need an essay of exactly 15 pictures. I have decided that I will probably make 2 mini-essays, presented as a slideshow, one of which will be about the tanneries - 6-8 pictures. Here is my 2nd edit of the tanneries section, done as a Flash gallery so you can see approximately how the slideshow will work: http://www.web-options.com/RPSTanneries/ I'd welcome your thoughts about the content, sequencing and so on. It will need to lose some pictures, but I will take part in an RPS workshop later this month where I will discuss what is strongest - your views are important to me though (I sound like a call centre!). My main feeling about this one is that it really needs a stronger clincher to close the set. Fire away! Thanks, Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Dec 11, 2007, at 17:11, Bob Blakely wrote: Which one is the TARDIS and why isn't it blue? (Digging into what I remember from 25 years ago...) The TARDIS is a Police box, not a phone booth (that's why). No idea what a police box is, though. Maybe Wikipedia could help there. Yes, it can. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_box -Charles -- Charles Robinson - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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All photographs are ordinary. In the past 160 years everything has been done, over, and over, and over again. So, they are all ordinary, but some are interesting despite that. Graywolf Website: http://www.graywolfphoto.com Blog:http://www.graywolfphoto.com/journal/ --- Boris Liberman wrote: Bob, it is good but somehow ordinary... Boris Bob W wrote: This is a scene I've been familiar with for about 25 years, and have photographed quite often - and been disappointed. I took this photo last week, and quite like it. It's only occurred to me today why this composition is (in my view) more successful than previous attempts. I'd be interested to hear what other people think about it, and why. http://www.web-options.com/_B296674.jpg -- Thanks, Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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graywolf wrote: All photographs are ordinary. In the past 160 years everything has been done, over, and over, and over again. So, they are all ordinary, but some are interesting despite that. Definitely deserves a Mark!. :-) -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bob, it is good but somehow ordinary... Boris Bob W wrote: This is a scene I've been familiar with for about 25 years, and have photographed quite often - and been disappointed. I took this photo last week, and quite like it. It's only occurred to me today why this composition is (in my view) more successful than previous attempts. I'd be interested to hear what other people think about it, and why. http://www.web-options.com/_B296674.jpg -- Thanks, Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Which one is the TARDIS and why isn't it blue? Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From: Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bob, it is good but somehow ordinary... Boris Bob W wrote: This is a scene I've been familiar with for about 25 years, and have photographed quite often - and been disappointed. I took this photo last week, and quite like it. It's only occurred to me today why this composition is (in my view) more successful than previous attempts. I'd be interested to hear what other people think about it, and why. http://www.web-options.com/_B296674.jpg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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http://www.web-options.com/_B296674.jpg Thanks to everyone for replying to this - I've been very surprised by the size of the response. I think generally others have the same view of it that I have. It's in a very funny spot, light-wise. It seems to be really difficult to find a time when there is some sunlight on the scene. I happened to get lucky with this one because I've never seen that dappled light there before, and that's why I stopped to try again. I've photographed it before when the trees have been in full foliage. They are figs, so the foliage is quite spectacular and tends to overwhelm the composition. In particular they take away the graphic lines of the windows, which I think are an important part of the composition. They divide the space; the leftmost phone box continues the line of the left window, the tree continues the line of the next one, then the young man continues the line and finally the right-hand phone box makes an equal division and an implied line upwards. So cropping the windows would, in my view, weaken the composition. The 2 men make the picture more successful than previous attempts. With noone in the frame it is too flat and static for me. Other versions have people walking parallel with the picture plane, and lack life or dynamism. The fact that these men break the picture plane give it another dimension and some movement, which is heightened by them being mid-stride, stepping off the pavement. Their obvious enjoyment of each other's company gives it a nice human touch, I think. Here's a version with no people: http://www.web-options.com/_B296673.jpg As for the phone boxes, I think they are probably listed. Listing is something that one of the cultural quangos can do to things of architectural merit to prevent them being destroyed or ruined. BT tried a few years ago to do away with many of the old Gilbert Scott K2 K6 phone boxes, and many of them were promptly listed because they do make a pleasant contribution to the streetscape and are very much part of Britain. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_telephone_box -- Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of graywolf Sent: 08 December 2007 20:06 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Opinions please OK, I think that if it were my photo, I would crop it just below the top of the window sills. I might crop a bit off the left too, making the phone booths balanced and letting the people and the tree give it dynamics; although I would have to try that to know if I would really like it that way. Phone booths are pretty much a thing of the past over on this side of the Alantic. Sad, but then almost anyone can afford a prepaid cel-phone. Speaking of which, I have to remember to get a new card as my time is running out. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 09/12/07, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: Here's a version with no people: http://www.web-options.com/_B296673.jpg I like that a lot more. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Forgot to answer the q about the lens in my previous reply. The lens used was the Olympus 14-54, at 28mm. That's the equivalent of 56mm in 35mm terms. The converging verticals are probably the result of me framing it so that the line of the pavement was in the right place - it would leave the camera pointing slightly upwards. -- Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alastair Robertson Sent: 08 December 2007 22:31 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Opinions please I like this a lot. The two people match the two boxes well, and I like the overarching tree and the patches of light which adds depth. It looks level to me though with slight converging verticals presumably a wide-angle lens was used? Alastair http://www.web-options.com/_B296674.jpg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I'm sure it will be no surprise, but I prefer the people-less version. I've never needed a living being, of any sort, included in a photo to give it life. Especially when there is not even an implied connection. This is a (nicely leveled) strong image that allows a pleasing uninterrupted visual experience. Nicely rendered as well! Jack --- Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.web-options.com/_B296674.jpg Thanks to everyone for replying to this - I've been very surprised by the size of the response. I think generally others have the same view of it that I have. It's in a very funny spot, light-wise. It seems to be really difficult to find a time when there is some sunlight on the scene. I happened to get lucky with this one because I've never seen that dappled light there before, and that's why I stopped to try again. I've photographed it before when the trees have been in full foliage. They are figs, so the foliage is quite spectacular and tends to overwhelm the composition. In particular they take away the graphic lines of the windows, which I think are an important part of the composition. They divide the space; the leftmost phone box continues the line of the left window, the tree continues the line of the next one, then the young man continues the line and finally the right-hand phone box makes an equal division and an implied line upwards. So cropping the windows would, in my view, weaken the composition. The 2 men make the picture more successful than previous attempts. With noone in the frame it is too flat and static for me. Other versions have people walking parallel with the picture plane, and lack life or dynamism. The fact that these men break the picture plane give it another dimension and some movement, which is heightened by them being mid-stride, stepping off the pavement. Their obvious enjoyment of each other's company gives it a nice human touch, I think. Here's a version with no people: http://www.web-options.com/_B296673.jpg As for the phone boxes, I think they are probably listed. Listing is something that one of the cultural quangos can do to things of architectural merit to prevent them being destroyed or ruined. BT tried a few years ago to do away with many of the old Gilbert Scott K2 K6 phone boxes, and many of them were promptly listed because they do make a pleasant contribution to the streetscape and are very much part of Britain. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_telephone_box -- Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of graywolf Sent: 08 December 2007 20:06 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Opinions please OK, I think that if it were my photo, I would crop it just below the top of the window sills. I might crop a bit off the left too, making the phone booths balanced and letting the people and the tree give it dynamics; although I would have to try that to know if I would really like it that way. Phone booths are pretty much a thing of the past over on this side of the Alantic. Sad, but then almost anyone can afford a prepaid cel-phone. Speaking of which, I have to remember to get a new card as my time is running out. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I like both of these photos, Bob. Sans people, it presents more of a formal study. Quite different photos, really, and both good. Lots to look at and enjoy. Which do I like more? I don't think I can say without more context to pose the question. Godfrey On Dec 9, 2007, at 1:14 AM, Bob W wrote: http://www.web-options.com/_B296674.jpg Thanks to everyone for replying to this - I've been very surprised by the size of the response. I think generally others have the same view of it that I have. It's in a very funny spot, light-wise. It seems to be really difficult to find a time when there is some sunlight on the scene. I happened to get lucky with this one because I've never seen that dappled light there before, and that's why I stopped to try again. I've photographed it before when the trees have been in full foliage. They are figs, so the foliage is quite spectacular and tends to overwhelm the composition. In particular they take away the graphic lines of the windows, which I think are an important part of the composition. They divide the space; the leftmost phone box continues the line of the left window, the tree continues the line of the next one, then the young man continues the line and finally the right-hand phone box makes an equal division and an implied line upwards. So cropping the windows would, in my view, weaken the composition. The 2 men make the picture more successful than previous attempts. With noone in the frame it is too flat and static for me. Other versions have people walking parallel with the picture plane, and lack life or dynamism. The fact that these men break the picture plane give it another dimension and some movement, which is heightened by them being mid-stride, stepping off the pavement. Their obvious enjoyment of each other's company gives it a nice human touch, I think. Here's a version with no people: http://www.web-options.com/_B296673.jpg As for the phone boxes, I think they are probably listed. Listing is something that one of the cultural quangos can do to things of architectural merit to prevent them being destroyed or ruined. BT tried a few years ago to do away with many of the old Gilbert Scott K2 K6 phone boxes, and many of them were promptly listed because they do make a pleasant contribution to the streetscape and are very much part of Britain. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_telephone_box -- Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I like the tighter composition, but I would rather have people in it as well. And the two walkeers in the other version wouldn't fit in this frame. I think what would be idea would be to have this version, but have one person in each phone booth, talking on their respective phones, each looking out of the frame (i.e., the right hand one looking to the right, the left hand one looking to the left.) So, next time take some friends along or enlist a couple of passers-by... stan On Dec 9, 2007, at 3:36 AM, Cotty wrote: On 09/12/07, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: Here's a version with no people: http://www.web-options.com/_B296673.jpg I like that a lot more. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Dec 9, 2007, at 3:14, Bob W wrote: http://www.web-options.com/_B296674.jpg The 2 men make the picture more successful than previous attempts. With noone in the frame it is too flat and static for me. Other versions have people walking parallel with the picture plane, and lack life or dynamism. The fact that these men break the picture plane give it another dimension and some movement, which is heightened by them being mid-stride, stepping off the pavement. Their obvious enjoyment of each other's company gives it a nice human touch, I think. Here's a version with no people: http://www.web-options.com/_B296673.jpg I guess I'm just odd - I prefer the static with no people shot myself. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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People would think I was an American tourist... -- Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stan Halpin Sent: 09 December 2007 16:52 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Opinions please I like the tighter composition, but I would rather have people in it as well. And the two walkeers in the other version wouldn't fit in this frame. I think what would be idea would be to have this version, but have one person in each phone booth, talking on their respective phones, each looking out of the frame (i.e., the right hand one looking to the right, the left hand one looking to the left.) So, next time take some friends along or enlist a couple of passers-by... stan On Dec 9, 2007, at 3:36 AM, Cotty wrote: On 09/12/07, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: Here's a version with no people: http://www.web-options.com/_B296673.jpg I like that a lot more. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bob W wrote: This is a scene I've been familiar with for about 25 years, and have photographed quite often - and been disappointed. I took this photo last week, and quite like it. It's only occurred to me today why this composition is (in my view) more successful than previous attempts. I'd be interested to hear what other people think about it, and why. http://www.web-options.com/_B296674.jpg -- Thanks, Bob I'd like it a lot if the people were not in it... they don't add anything to it from a composition point of view and while it might work if each was talking on a cell phone as a different kind of photo, they aren't very intersting. A very personal opinion - I love the phone booths and the light ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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In a message dated 12/9/2007 1:14:04 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Here's a version with no people: http://www.web-options.com/_B296673.jpg As for the phone boxes, I think they are probably listed. Listing is something that one of the cultural quangos can do to things of architectural merit to prevent them being destroyed or ruined. BT tried a few years ago to do away with many of the old Gilbert Scott K2 K6 phone boxes, and many of them were promptly listed because they do make a pleasant contribution to the streetscape and are very much part of Britain. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_telephone_box -- Bob === Huh. I like it better without people. More haunting. Marnie aka Doe - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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This is a scene I've been familiar with for about 25 years, and have photographed quite often - and been disappointed. I took this photo last week, and quite like it. It's only occurred to me today why this composition is (in my view) more successful than previous attempts. I'd be interested to hear what other people think about it, and why. http://www.web-options.com/_B296674.jpg -- Thanks, Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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OK, I think that if it were my photo, I would crop it just below the top of the window sills. I might crop a bit off the left too, making the phone booths balanced and letting the people and the tree give it dynamics; although I would have to try that to know if I would really like it that way. Phone booths are pretty much a thing of the past over on this side of the Alantic. Sad, but then almost anyone can afford a prepaid cel-phone. Speaking of which, I have to remember to get a new card as my time is running out. Graywolf Website: http://www.graywolfphoto.com Blog:http://www.graywolfphoto.com/journal/ --- Bob W wrote: This is a scene I've been familiar with for about 25 years, and have photographed quite often - and been disappointed. I took this photo last week, and quite like it. It's only occurred to me today why this composition is (in my view) more successful than previous attempts. I'd be interested to hear what other people think about it, and why. http://www.web-options.com/_B296674.jpg -- Thanks, Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I like the graphic aspect of it, but the people aren't needed. I'd level it the little bit it needs. I may be a shot to put away for it's historic value. I understand those coin operated pay phones are no longer being produced in the US. Jack --- Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a scene I've been familiar with for about 25 years, and have photographed quite often - and been disappointed. I took this photo last week, and quite like it. It's only occurred to me today why this composition is (in my view) more successful than previous attempts. I'd be interested to hear what other people think about it, and why. http://www.web-options.com/_B296674.jpg -- Thanks, Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Since I don't remember seeing any of the others you may have been disappointed with, but I'd venture to guess that having the two young men walking through the scene in just about the right place helps quite a bit. Bob W wrote: This is a scene I've been familiar with for about 25 years, and have photographed quite often - and been disappointed. I took this photo last week, and quite like it. It's only occurred to me today why this composition is (in my view) more successful than previous attempts. I'd be interested to hear what other people think about it, and why. http://www.web-options.com/_B296674.jpg -- Thanks, Bob -- The difference between individual intelligence and group intelligence is the difference between Harvard University and the Harvard University football team. -- P. J. O'Roarke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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It would have more contrast of color if taken in late spring. Some green with the bright red phone booths would look nice. That asside I like the shot anyway. This is a scene I've been familiar with for about 25 years, and have photographed quite often - and been disappointed. I took this photo last week, and quite like it. It's only occurred to me today why this composition is (in my view) more successful than previous attempts. I'd be interested to hear what other people think about it, and why. http://www.web-options.com/_B296674.jpg -- Thanks, Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Ben 'Polyhead' Smith KE7GAL -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Nice crisp image, but it doesn't work for me, not sure why. Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Subject: Opinions please This is a scene I've been familiar with for about 25 years, and have photographed quite often - and been disappointed. I took this photo last week, and quite like it. It's only occurred to me today why this composition is (in my view) more successful than previous attempts. I'd be interested to hear what other people think about it, and why. http://www.web-options.com/_B296674.jpg -- Thanks, Bob . -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Yes, I agree with Peter on this. Without the two men it would be a nice scene but those two guys are obviously enjoying themselves and it adds a great deal more interest to the image. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney, Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ http://www.blognow.com.au/peso1/ http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/brianwalters Quoting P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Since I don't remember seeing any of the others you may have been disappointed with, but I'd venture to guess that having the two young men walking through the scene in just about the right place helps quite a bit. Bob W wrote: This is a scene I've been familiar with for about 25 years, and have photographed quite often - and been disappointed. I took this photo last week, and quite like it. It's only occurred to me today why this composition is (in my view) more successful than previous attempts. I'd be interested to hear what other people think about it, and why. http://www.web-options.com/_B296674.jpg -- Thanks, Bob -- Find out how you can get spam free email. http://www.bluebottle.com/tag/3 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I like it. And I asked my resident photo critic (aka wife) and she mostly likes it. 1. The red phone booths work well as the color contrast against an otherwise monochromatic scene. 2. Nice dynamics of the two guys walking and talking and seeming to enjoy themselves. 3. Nice framing of the two guys with the arch of the tree branches. 4. I don't think it would work as well with leaves on the tree or green grass on the ground. Unless you rendered it in BW. 5. Which, by the way, would be interesting to see. My wife's comments - she would have preferred the two guys a bit closer together and slightly to the left. I thik she doesn't want anyone blocking the view of the phone booths. I actually think it gains this way - the phone booths are there as a significant element, but the eye quickly gets drawn to the people. If the right-hand booth were also unblocked, the booths would be too prominent. stan On Dec 8, 2007, at 1:37 PM, Bob W wrote: This is a scene I've been familiar with for about 25 years, and have photographed quite often - and been disappointed. I took this photo last week, and quite like it. It's only occurred to me today why this composition is (in my view) more successful than previous attempts. I'd be interested to hear what other people think about it, and why. http://www.web-options.com/_B296674.jpg -- Thanks, Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I like this a lot. The two people match the two boxes well, and I like the overarching tree and the patches of light which adds depth. It looks level to me though with slight converging verticals presumably a wide-angle lens was used? Alastair On Dec 9, 2007 10:48 AM, Brian Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I agree with Peter on this. Without the two men it would be a nice scene but those two guys are obviously enjoying themselves and it adds a great deal more interest to the image. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney, Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ http://www.blognow.com.au/peso1/ http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/brianwalters Quoting P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Since I don't remember seeing any of the others you may have been disappointed with, but I'd venture to guess that having the two young men walking through the scene in just about the right place helps quite a bit. Bob W wrote: This is a scene I've been familiar with for about 25 years, and have photographed quite often - and been disappointed. I took this photo last week, and quite like it. It's only occurred to me today why this composition is (in my view) more successful than previous attempts. I'd be interested to hear what other people think about it, and why. http://www.web-options.com/_B296674.jpg -- Thanks, Bob -- Find out how you can get spam free email. http://www.bluebottle.com/tag/3 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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A lot to like here. The light is very nice. The rays of light splashing across the sidewalk and hitting the phone booth and beautiful are excellent. While there is balance to the composition, you didn't try to make it symmetrical. And it's far enough removed from symmetrical to make it apparent that you didn't try and fail. And the two smiling boys are a huge plus. They give live to the scene. Excellent photo. Paul On Dec 8, 2007, at 2:37 PM, Bob W wrote: This is a scene I've been familiar with for about 25 years, and have photographed quite often - and been disappointed. I took this photo last week, and quite like it. It's only occurred to me today why this composition is (in my view) more successful than previous attempts. I'd be interested to hear what other people think about it, and why. http://www.web-options.com/_B296674.jpg -- Thanks, Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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It has nice balance, color, tonality and sharpness. A good one. :-) Godfrey On Dec 8, 2007, at 11:37 AM, Bob W wrote: This is a scene I've been familiar with for about 25 years, and have photographed quite often - and been disappointed. I took this photo last week, and quite like it. It's only occurred to me today why this composition is (in my view) more successful than previous attempts. I'd be interested to hear what other people think about it, and why. http://www.web-options.com/_B296674.jpg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The LX is an amazingly good camera for low light work. I've made perfect exposures in a room that was completely dark but for a flickering TV screen, the light from which was constantly changing. The LX, with the shutter open, just kept measuring the light until the proper exposure was made, times varied between around twenty to forty seconds. That evening I got 36 perfectly exposed shots. Portraits by TV light ... y'gotta love it! Add the new, brighter focusing screens and a fast lens, and you've got a real low-light shooter. The nice thing with the LX is that if the light changes during exposure, the metering system adjust while the exposure is being made. Although I prefer the MX for daily shooting, it doesn't hold a candle to the LX in low light situations. Shel You meet the nicest people with a Pentax [Original Message] From: Godfrey DiGiorgi Hmm. Honestly, I'd go for an MX over an LX but then I always preferred the Nikon FM/FE over the F2-3 as well (except for the hp viewfinder). In truly low light, I never bother with the meter ... I use a Kodak Pocket Photo Guide with its table of available light exposure suggestions. :-) On Nov 8, 2005, at 7:31 PM, Adam Maas wrote: Couple of Reasons. The LX meters down to EV-6.5 (I shoot a lot of low-light stuff), offers aperture priority, a winder (I've been spoiled by my AF Nikons), solid build and TTL flash. It's also likely to still work in 5 years.
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I tend to make long exposures in RAW and sort in out in Photoshop. How does the LX cope with reciprocity failure? I've often wondered whether there is a digital sensor equivalent Peter On 11/9/05, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The LX is an amazingly good camera for low light work. I've made perfect exposures in a room that was completely dark but for a flickering TV screen, the light from which was constantly changing. The LX, with the shutter open, just kept measuring the light until the proper exposure was made, times varied between around twenty to forty seconds. That evening I got 36 perfectly exposed shots. Portraits by TV light ... y'gotta love it! Add the new, brighter focusing screens and a fast lens, and you've got a real low-light shooter. The nice thing with the LX is that if the light changes during exposure, the metering system adjust while the exposure is being made. Although I prefer the MX for daily shooting, it doesn't hold a candle to the LX in low light situations. Shel You meet the nicest people with a Pentax [Original Message] From: Godfrey DiGiorgi Hmm. Honestly, I'd go for an MX over an LX but then I always preferred the Nikon FM/FE over the F2-3 as well (except for the hp viewfinder). In truly low light, I never bother with the meter ... I use a Kodak Pocket Photo Guide with its table of available light exposure suggestions. :-) On Nov 8, 2005, at 7:31 PM, Adam Maas wrote: Couple of Reasons. The LX meters down to EV-6.5 (I shoot a lot of low-light stuff), offers aperture priority, a winder (I've been spoiled by my AF Nikons), solid build and TTL flash. It's also likely to still work in 5 years.
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From: Peter Fairweather [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/11/09 Wed AM 09:15:28 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Opinions, please I tend to make long exposures in RAW and sort in out in Photoshop. How does the LX cope with reciprocity failure? I've often wondered whether there is a digital sensor equivalent The equivalent is probably noise. Not quite the same thing. With the LX, you would have to test the situation and insert exposure compensation as required. mike - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information
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Shel Belinkoff wrote: The LX is an amazingly good camera for low light work. I've made perfect exposures in a room that was completely dark but for a flickering TV screen, the light from which was constantly changing. The LX, with the shutter open, just kept measuring the light until the proper exposure was made, times varied between around twenty to forty seconds. That evening I got 36 perfectly exposed shots. Portraits by TV light ... y'gotta love it! Add the new, brighter focusing screens and a fast lens, and you've got a real low-light shooter. The nice thing with the LX is that if the light changes during exposure, the metering system adjust while the exposure is being made. Although I prefer the MX for daily shooting, it doesn't hold a candle to the LX in low light situations. I very very rarely use a flash and this was a major plus point to LX ownership, in how well it handled low light situations. I would far sooner carry a tripod and use a remote shutter release and have long exposures, than use a flash. Malcolm
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On 9 Nov 2005 at 9:15, Peter Fairweather wrote: I tend to make long exposures in RAW and sort in out in Photoshop. How does the LX cope with reciprocity failure? I've often wondered whether there is a digital sensor equivalent I believe that the LX is one of the best ever low light cameras, the pity is of course that it doesn't have a pixel array. The LX seems to get the exposure pretty much in the ball park during long exposures as other have indicated. Reciprocity failure can be a pain to manage and should be more so if you are using auto exposure with off the film metering as in the LX. The subject colour, the scene illuminants and the surface colour of the film all effect exposure times, however after much testing over many years I simply learned to trust the camera and bracket when it all looked too hard, I made a lot of great exposures that way. :-) I think that without special equipment (cryo-cooling systems etc) sensor noise tends to start to swamp the wanted signal in digital sensors, film is still much better at longer exposures, it has pretty low self noise :-) Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
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- Original Message - From: Peter Fairweather Subject: Re: Opinions, please I tend to make long exposures in RAW and sort in out in Photoshop. How does the LX cope with reciprocity failure? I've often wondered whether there is a digital sensor equivalent No camera can cope with reciprocity failure. The photographer has to come armed with soem technical knowledge if he is going to go outside the linear part of the film's exposure range. The LX meter is quite linear, relatively colour blind, and when working well, is amazingly accurate. William Robb
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Ironically, I can justify the purchase of the LX but not an MX. The MX isn't sufficiently different from my little Ricoh (Better build, winder, but lower max shutter than the Ricoh). The LX has sufficient advantages to make it justifiable. But I really would like the DA14, of course, I could wait for the 12-24. Decisions, Decisions. -Adam Shel Belinkoff wrote: The LX is an amazingly good camera for low light work. I've made perfect exposures in a room that was completely dark but for a flickering TV screen, the light from which was constantly changing. The LX, with the shutter open, just kept measuring the light until the proper exposure was made, times varied between around twenty to forty seconds. That evening I got 36 perfectly exposed shots. Portraits by TV light ... y'gotta love it! Add the new, brighter focusing screens and a fast lens, and you've got a real low-light shooter. The nice thing with the LX is that if the light changes during exposure, the metering system adjust while the exposure is being made. Although I prefer the MX for daily shooting, it doesn't hold a candle to the LX in low light situations. Shel You meet the nicest people with a Pentax [Original Message] From: Godfrey DiGiorgi Hmm. Honestly, I'd go for an MX over an LX but then I always preferred the Nikon FM/FE over the F2-3 as well (except for the hp viewfinder). In truly low light, I never bother with the meter ... I use a Kodak Pocket Photo Guide with its table of available light exposure suggestions. :-) On Nov 8, 2005, at 7:31 PM, Adam Maas wrote: Couple of Reasons. The LX meters down to EV-6.5 (I shoot a lot of low-light stuff), offers aperture priority, a winder (I've been spoiled by my AF Nikons), solid build and TTL flash. It's also likely to still work in 5 years.
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I can't speak to color issues - never ran a roll of color through the LX when making long exposures (and rarely did so when making normal exposures). However, the Tri-X / LX combination produced very good exposures in automatic mode in low light, with no thought to, or adjustment because of, reciprocity failure. Shel You meet the nicest people with a Pentax [Original Message] From: Rob Studdert I believe that the LX is one of the best ever low light cameras, the pity is of course that it doesn't have a pixel array. The LX seems to get the exposure pretty much in the ball park during long exposures as other have indicated. Reciprocity failure can be a pain to manage and should be more so if you are using auto exposure with off the film metering as in the LX. The subject colour, the scene illuminants and the surface colour of the film all effect exposure times, however after much testing over many years I simply learned to trust the camera and bracket when it all looked too hard, I made a lot of great exposures that way. :-)
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Adam Maas wrote: Ironically, I can justify the purchase of the LX but not an MX. The MX isn't sufficiently different from my little Ricoh (Better build, winder, but lower max shutter than the Ricoh). The LX has sufficient advantages to make it justifiable. But I really would like the DA14, of course, I could wait for the 12-24. Wait for the 12-24. You could order one now, and you will get it at the end of Nov or beg of Dec. rg
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Adam Maas wrote: LX + lens. Probably a 24 or 20, If the 20, I'm likely to grab a CZJ 20mm Distagon. -Adam Carl Zeiss Jena never made Distagon lens, they are made by western part of Zeiss. Easern part of Zeiss, located in Jena, made Flektogon 20/2.8 on M42 and Praktika B mount - nice lens, I have one and I am really happy with it. I think that Distagons are in Contax mount. How could you use one on Pentax K mount body like LX? Why don't you try SMC 20/2.8 (similar to Flekotgon design) or SMC 18/3.5 lens. For me the wide in never too wide (I have just recieved Tamron SP 17/3.5 and I will give it a try tomorrow because I have to trade the adapter with a friend). Best regard luben -- Computers are useless. They can only give answers. - Pablo Picasso
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My bad, I was thinking of the Flektogon, the german lens naming scheme is still a little foreign to me. The 18 is just a little too wide for me on 35mm and not wide enough on Digital. Might keep an eye out for the SMC 20. -Adam luben karavelov wrote: Carl Zeiss Jena never made Distagon lens, they are made by western part of Zeiss. Easern part of Zeiss, located in Jena, made Flektogon 20/2.8 on M42 and Praktika B mount - nice lens, I have one and I am really happy with it. I think that Distagons are in Contax mount. How could you use one on Pentax K mount body like LX? Why don't you try SMC 20/2.8 (similar to Flekotgon design) or SMC 18/3.5 lens. For me the wide in never too wide (I have just recieved Tamron SP 17/3.5 and I will give it a try tomorrow because I have to trade the adapter with a friend). Best regard luben
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Hi Luben I would love to see the results of your Tamron SP 17mm shooting later here... ;-) greetings Markus (I have just recieved Tamron SP 17/3.5 and I will give it a try tomorrow because I have to trade the adapter with a friend). Best regard luben
Opinions, please
I'm going to have some disposable income next week, and am planning on some acquisitions. Possibilities include: 14mm DA for my *istD (Giving me an ultra-wide, right now my widest options are the 18-55 on the D and a 28mm on my little Ricoh KR-5sv) or LX + lens. Probably a 24 or 20, If the 20, I'm likely to grab a CZJ 20mm Distagon. And I'm also looking at maybe getting a 45-125/4 SMCP for the digital. It would be essentially a 70-185 on the D. Anybody tried this lens on a Digital? -Adam
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the LX would be nice but, man...you shooting any film anymore? I probably can't justify having one with the pitiful lens collection I've got...I need more glass before I can buy another body. CW - Original Message - From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 8:51 PM Subject: Opinions, please I'm going to have some disposable income next week, and am planning on some acquisitions. Possibilities include: 14mm DA for my *istD (Giving me an ultra-wide, right now my widest options are the 18-55 on the D and a 28mm on my little Ricoh KR-5sv) or LX + lens. Probably a 24 or 20, If the 20, I'm likely to grab a CZJ 20mm Distagon. And I'm also looking at maybe getting a 45-125/4 SMCP for the digital. It would be essentially a 70-185 on the D. Anybody tried this lens on a Digital? -Adam -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.8/162 - Release Date: 11/5/2005
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I still shoot BW, stopped for a bit while the D was new, but I'm on my 2nd roll of Tri-X this week (Least I hope it's Tri-X, it's labelled Tri-X 24exp, but I'm up to exp33 and the rewind know indicates it's feeding, so no idea what's actually in the can) I'm also up to a nice number of lenses. I've got a 200mm f4 XR Rikenon, 135mm f2.8 Kenlock in M42, 50mm f2 SMC-M, 50mm f1.4 Super Takumar, 28mm f2.8 Formula 5 and the 18-55 SMC-DA. I need something wider than 28mm for digital and film and something in the 77-100mm gap, but for the latter I'm holding out for a 77 Limited. -Adam cbwaters wrote: the LX would be nice but, man...you shooting any film anymore? I probably can't justify having one with the pitiful lens collection I've got...I need more glass before I can buy another body. CW - Original Message - From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 8:51 PM Subject: Opinions, please I'm going to have some disposable income next week, and am planning on some acquisitions. Possibilities include: 14mm DA for my *istD (Giving me an ultra-wide, right now my widest options are the 18-55 on the D and a 28mm on my little Ricoh KR-5sv) or LX + lens. Probably a 24 or 20, If the 20, I'm likely to grab a CZJ 20mm Distagon. And I'm also looking at maybe getting a 45-125/4 SMCP for the digital. It would be essentially a 70-185 on the D. Anybody tried this lens on a Digital? -Adam -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.8/162 - Release Date: 11/5/2005
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If you already have a good film body, why buy another? I like the DA14 a lot. Godfrey On Nov 8, 2005, at 5:51 PM, Adam Maas wrote: I'm going to have some disposable income next week, and am planning on some acquisitions. Possibilities include: 14mm DA for my *istD (Giving me an ultra-wide, right now my widest options are the 18-55 on the D and a 28mm on my little Ricoh KR-5sv) or LX + lens. Probably a 24 or 20, If the 20, I'm likely to grab a CZJ 20mm Distagon. And I'm also looking at maybe getting a 45-125/4 SMCP for the digital. It would be essentially a 70-185 on the D. Anybody tried this lens on a Digital? -Adam
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Couple of Reasons. The LX meters down to EV-6.5 (I shoot a lot of low-light stuff), offers aperture priority, a winder (I've been spoiled by my AF Nikons), solid build and TTL flash. It's also likely to still work in 5 years. My current K mount film body is El Plastic Cosina (Aka the Ricoh KR-5sv). Sure it offers better flash sync than the LX at 1/125 and it's actually a good performer for the cost ($66CDN), but it's cheaply built, the metering is more of a suggestion than anything else, the mirror slap is incredible and it's just plasticky. I'd not be looking elsewhere if I had an MX or K1000. Ever since my Nikon FA died, I've been wanting a solid MF SLR anyways. -Adam Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: If you already have a good film body, why buy another? I like the DA14 a lot. Godfrey On Nov 8, 2005, at 5:51 PM, Adam Maas wrote: I'm going to have some disposable income next week, and am planning on some acquisitions. Possibilities include: 14mm DA for my *istD (Giving me an ultra-wide, right now my widest options are the 18-55 on the D and a 28mm on my little Ricoh KR-5sv) or LX + lens. Probably a 24 or 20, If the 20, I'm likely to grab a CZJ 20mm Distagon. And I'm also looking at maybe getting a 45-125/4 SMCP for the digital. It would be essentially a 70-185 on the D. Anybody tried this lens on a Digital? -Adam
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Hmm. Honestly, I'd go for an MX over an LX but then I always preferred the Nikon FM/FE over the F2-3 as well (except for the hp viewfinder). In truly low light, I never bother with the meter ... I use a Kodak Pocket Photo Guide with its table of available light exposure suggestions. :-) But I really really like the DA14 on the DS. Godfrey On Nov 8, 2005, at 7:31 PM, Adam Maas wrote: Couple of Reasons. The LX meters down to EV-6.5 (I shoot a lot of low-light stuff), offers aperture priority, a winder (I've been spoiled by my AF Nikons), solid build and TTL flash. It's also likely to still work in 5 years. My current K mount film body is El Plastic Cosina (Aka the Ricoh KR-5sv). Sure it offers better flash sync than the LX at 1/125 and it's actually a good performer for the cost ($66CDN), but it's cheaply built, the metering is more of a suggestion than anything else, the mirror slap is incredible and it's just plasticky. I'd not be looking elsewhere if I had an MX or K1000. Ever since my Nikon FA died, I've been wanting a solid MF SLR anyways. -Adam Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: If you already have a good film body, why buy another? I like the DA14 a lot. Godfrey On Nov 8, 2005, at 5:51 PM, Adam Maas wrote: I'm going to have some disposable income next week, and am planning on some acquisitions. Possibilities include: 14mm DA for my *istD (Giving me an ultra-wide, right now my widest options are the 18-55 on the D and a 28mm on my little Ricoh KR-5sv) or LX + lens. Probably a 24 or 20, If the 20, I'm likely to grab a CZJ 20mm Distagon. And I'm also looking at maybe getting a 45-125/4 SMCP for the digital. It would be essentially a 70-185 on the D. Anybody tried this lens on a Digital? -Adam
Re: Z-10 opinions please
Thanks for the boost of confidence, Gianfranco. Best, Cot I was in a similar situation not long ago. My father, after a long period shooting with an FX-3, decided some years ago to take the AF plunge. I had at that time a Z-50p that I wasn't using much, so he borrowed it for a couple of days. He decided that it was not what he was looking for and so he bought a used Yashica AF270 (bah...) with a couple of zooms. The reliability of that Yashica was far from the top and he soon felt the need for a second body anyway. By then I had sold my Z-50p, so I went browsing in the shops for an alternative body and eventually found a Z-10 with a 35-80 and an AF240FT. The price seemed fair, although not a bargain. I bought the kit and gave it to my father as a present. With my surprise my father liked it a lot (even if it's similar to my Z-50p it is definitely simpler, which helps...) and he now uses it as his main body (along with a Tamron 28-200 I gave him for his 60th birthday). Ciao, Gianfranco ___ Personal email traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MacAds traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out the UK Macintosh ads http://www.macads.co.uk - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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Magic! I don't know the Z-10, but he looked very eager to learn! It took me years of off/on photography to REALLY understand exposure, and I am still learning to a degree. I used to just set things as the camera told me, thinking only of shutter spped and not really knowing what I was doing. When I suddenly realised how different apertures could be used properly, and hyperfocal focussing in particular, photography suddenly came alive. I did half a GCSE in photography a couple of years ago, which reawakened me, and taught me about thirds, lines etc. Then I discovered the internet and read 'The art of outdoor photography' by Boyd Norton - this book really helped understand perspective and focal length effects and would be good when he has got to grips with things. I think an understanding of quality of light should be looked at from day one too. Do you want me to send you all his shots with the MZ-S for posterity? There are a couple on my gallery, but there are three which are a bit amusing too!!! -Original Message- From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 23 July 2002 21:27 To: Pentax List Subject: Z-10 opinions please My son was very taken with the MZ-S at our recent meet at the air show near Cambridge, and who can blame him. He has shown a great interest in photography g but at the age of 8 is finding the concept of exposure difficult. For now, I've decided that it would be advantageous for him to concentrate on things like concepts and composition rather than the technicalities. I cam across a Z-10 and a couple of lenses, so have bought it. I understand it's basically point and shoot. Any pointers, warnings, anecdotes, regarding the Z-10 would be most welcomed. Thanks, Cotty ___ Personal email traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MacAds traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out the UK Macintosh ads http://www.macads.co.uk - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Vivitar S1 70-210 vs. SMC-A 70-210 opinions please
I am thinking about upgrading the long zoom I keep for my travel kit. I currently use a Sears 80-200/4 Macro. The 2 best options seem to be the SMC-A and S1. I'd be interested to hear what anyone with experience with both of these lenses has to say. Or if anyone has a suggestion on another lens they like in this class. Too be honest I have no huge complaints with the Sears. It's sharpness and flare resistance are decent, although it does lack contrast. Where would I notice improvements? This lens would be used on MF bodies for outdoor street/nature photography and occasional sports events. I am not concerned with any macro or portait abilities as I have that covered with other lenses. -- ___ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Email.com http://www.email.com/?sr=signup Win the Ultimate Hawaiian Experience from Travelocity. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;4018363;6991039;n?http://svc.travelocity.com/promos/winhawaii/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Opinions, please
Wendy; Try some Fuji Provia 100 or 400 (depending on what kind of speed you are looking for. I like Velvia but it's VERY slow. I've never tried photographing black subjects on a white background with the LX or MX but I'm sure it would be difficult to say the least. I'd be tempted to stop down for the black dog but then wouldn't that under-expose the white snow leaving me with grey snow? If I opened up for the snow would the dog look dark grey rather than rich black? That's why i was impressed with the Matrix metering. Very impressed indeed! Christian On Wednesday 23 January 2002 20:47, Wendy wrote: Hi Christian, Thanks for your comments I actually used fuji superia 200 (got a money off voucher with the Shrek DVD!) You're right, I should give slide film a try, that would give me a better idea of how close the exposure is. Trouble is, I wouldn't know which to choose as the last time I used slide film, agfa was my film of choice and it's something I've never seen here or even know if is available any more. I used the multi-segment metering mode and have to say, I am wildly impressed. I'm used to the centre-weighted average of the MX and I'm pretty sure the results would have been a lot different if I'd been using the MX. thanks, Wendy - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
