[RBW] Re: Errandonnee Runner
Here's more on the Brewvet Challenge: http://portajohn.wordpress.com/2014/04/22/brewvet-challenge-what-you-need-to-know/ On Friday, April 25, 2014 1:06:04 PM UTC-4, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: Keep us postedon the Brewvet... that sounds like something to not be missed! On Thursday, April 24, 2014 7:13:25 PM UTC-7, Shoji Takahashi wrote: Hey Patrick, I'm really happy to hear about how the bike (a Hunqapillar no less!) has changed your life. I've learned a lot from you and many on this board. The Errandonnee patch is from Mary G's Winter Challenge: http://chasingmailboxes.com/2014/03/04/winter-challenge-the-errandonnee-2014-edition/ She's a sometimes poster, quite often Quickbeamer, and I think there are a few more Rivs in their home. IIRC, Tony D's agapanthus purple 'luki was featured in her flickr stream. For those beer inclined, there's a Brewvet in the works May 1 - June 10. happy riding, shoji On Thursday, April 24, 2014 10:03:12 PM UTC-4, hsmitham wrote: Deacon, I love that notion. I need to find that patch. Yes I agree the bicycle is therapeutic...cause it works for me. ~Hugh On Thursday, April 24, 2014 6:17:30 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote: Shojo’s photo, https://www.flickr.com/photos/stakx/14001712894/, reminded me: With my wimpy brain, it’s not often I get to ride Errandonnees, but they’ve been happening more often since I got the Post to agree to bring my mail outside to me (it is so scented inside I can’t go in to get our mail from our box), and today I popped to the LBS and bought what I needed from the front porch, with the owner being very helpful, bringing things out for me to choose between. Then I hit some nearby sloppy melting single track and had coffee outside. It was a grand morning! It’s not much, but my world is expanding bit by bit, in part thanks to me bike. With abandon, Patrick *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org http://www.MindYourHeadCoop.org* *www.OurHolyConception.org http://www.OurHolyConception.org* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: S24O Report
Wonderful, Chris. On Saturday, April 26, 2014 9:50:54 PM UTC-4, Pondero wrote: It shaped up to be first class weather here in north Texas, so I loaded up the Hilsen with overnight gear. The great weather generated a lot of interest, the State Park was more crowded than usual, and my favorite campsites were taken. So when I arrived at one of the leftover sites, I discovered that the trees surrounding the it didn't quite work right with my hammock. Pondering my dilemma, I asked myself, What would Manny do? What resulted was one of those this looks right work-arounds... http://pawndero.wordpress.com/2014/04/26/april-2014-s24o/ Yes, it held up fine. Chris Johnson Sanger, Texas -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Quickbeam Tire and Gearing Recommendations
Happy almost-new-bike day, Patrick. RE: Gearing, AASHTA: http://sheldonbrown.com/chain-life.html TL;DR-- go even/even teeth. But don't worry about it too much, either. If you're riding fixed, you may want to calculate skid patches. (You're riding SS or fixed for the trail?) Happy riding, shoji On Tuesday, April 29, 2014 4:31:19 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote: I’ve pulled the trigger on a beautiful silver Quickbeam, so Lord willing and the creek don’t rise it should be here in a few weeks. I have a few questions as I gear up for her arrival... Knobbie Tire: Talking with Riv., they suggest I can go with up to a 40mm knobbie and still be able to swap rings in front. I’ll be on dirt roads and trails mostly, with some unavoidable sections of pavement. What do you all recommend? Both size and specific tire. Gearing: I plan on riding the stock gearing first, but what do you all recommend here for essentially a single speed cyclocross setup? Obviously, I’ll have to become a stronger rider, and have already started that on my rides by not shifting down as much. I did well on today’s 10 mile ride in 36/21, and my understanding is the low ring is 32, so possibly a Surly dingle cog, 17/21? I heard if you have even teeth up front you should have even teeth in the back, is that true? Thanks! The bike therapy continues! With abandon, Patrick *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org http://www.MindYourHeadCoop.org* *www.OurHolyConception.org http://www.OurHolyConception.org* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] New Head-Badge Poster!
Thank you, Marty. Beautiful. On Tuesday, April 29, 2014 11:42:35 PM UTC-4, JimD wrote: A work of art for sure! Thanks, JimD. On Apr 29, 2014, at 6:24 PM, Marty mgi...@mac.com javascript: wrote: Can't believe it's been two years since the last version - about time I came up with a new one. Bigger and better than ever, this one contains every badge variation I'm aware of and had access to. 42 in all! I don't doubt there are a few scarce variations out there, and of course as soon as I post this another few will show up, but such is life. 20 years of Rivendell history captured on a single page. Don't ask if I have them all - I don't. Grant loaned most of them to me to take photos of a long, long time ago. Others I had to photoshop from head tube shots. No stumps or canvas this time - I wanted to go clean to celebrate the beauty of the badges alone. They tell an amazing story. The file here is not the HiRes version. Once I clean things up a bit I will post a link to the file. I do not plan to print these for sale, it's more like a gift to the bunch for your loyalty and bunchiness. Give me a week or so to do that. Until then, have a look at some amazing artwork, brought to you by the clever, creative minds at Rivendell Bicycle Works, and the artists and badge-makers who brought these to life Enjoy! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. Riv Poster Sample 042914.jpg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: 30daysofbiking
Thank you, Eunice. Ride with love, always... indeed. Shoji On Thursday, May 1, 2014 9:40:28 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote: Beautiful, Eunice. Thank you for sharing some of your journey. I love how you were gently guided by circumstance to ride Seth's Homer. Heart wrenchingly wonderful. We lost a daughter a number of years ago, and I still tear up as I'm typing this, seeing her as her never seen on earth timeless self greeting each of our family one day at Heaven's gate, a reunion beyond time. Grief never goes away, it simply becomes part of every pedal stroke forward if we embrace it or rocks, curbs, and flats if we don't. May God continue to startle you with joy! With abandon, Patrick On Thursday, May 1, 2014 7:10:32 PM UTC-6, Eunice Chang wrote: I thought I'd share my experiences on 30 days of biking last month here: https://sleepyneko.exposure.co/30-days-of-biking Warning: it's kind of long and well, teary. But if you read it all the way through you might be rewarded with glimpses of Thumper Buttercup, aka Seth's A.H.H., which I tweaked for, er, emergency purposes. :) And I meant it when I said thanks for the ride reports. I couldn't imagine riding a bike post-death, and when I could two months later, it was a relief. But your ride reports created an itch so bad I had to absolutely scratch it, fears and grief be darned. My morning coffee rides are really a thing of joy. Anyway, thank you again and keep writing those ride reports. I'll keep pedaling along... Eunice -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Betty Foy Headbadge and 5258
Here's a wild guess (and I hope Grant or someone with knowledge will chime in): Betty Foy is a character in the Wordsworth Poem *The Idiot Boy*. Poem text here: http://www.bartleby.com/145/ww137.html Lines 52 to 61: And Betty o'er and o'er has told The Boy, who is her best delight, Both what to follow, what to shun, What do, and what to leave undone, How turn to left, and how to right. And Betty's most especial charge, Was, Johnny! Johnny! mind that you [line 58] Come home again, nor stop at all,-- Come home again, whate'er befall, My Johnny, do, I pray you do. It kinda works, but I'm not happy with it ending at line 58. It seems to fit better if it were 5256 (i.e., end at How turn to left, and how to right.) or 5261. all the best, shoji On Thursday, May 1, 2014 4:32:56 PM UTC-4, Cecily Walker wrote: I'm sure someone here (Hi, Grant!) knows the meaning of the number 5258 on the Betty Foy headbadge. Can anyone clue me in? By the way, today's warm, sunny Spring weather was a perfect day to be riding a bike with tiny hearts all over the frame. I smiled all the way into work. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: My first Riv and a quick introduction
Nice! I like the San Marcos and Nobilette, too. Happy riding, shoji On Friday, May 2, 2014 10:35:20 AM UTC-4, Mark Reimer wrote: Hi all! Thought I'd give a quick introduction and share some photos of my first Riv - a used Atlantis which I just picked up two days ago! I've been following the group conversations for about the past year, with limited participation but much enjoyment. I feel as if I know half the people personally by now. I've been saving my pennies for a Rivendell for a long time. I am located in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada, and in June my wife and I are heading to California for 12 days, capping the trip off with a visit to the Riv Headquarters. I had intended to pickup a new Sam Hillborne, but last week a 58cm Atlantis popped up online and it was just too good to pass up. It has its fair share of paint scratches, but no dings or dents. I figure the first owner did me a favour and now I can shred it hard and not fret about putting the first scratch in the paint! I have most of the parts en route, and I'll be building the wheels up in a week or so (SONdelux front, Phil Wood rear hubs, both disc so I can use them for mountain biking as well), Velocity Dyad's (36 hole), Nitto Noodle bar, Technomic stem, some oldschool Avid Tri-Align brakes, Brooks b17 special, MKS Lambda pedals. I'm still hunting for some used White Industries mountain cranks, bar-end 10 speed shifters and derailleurs. I'll share the full build once it's completed! Here are a few teasers, as well as some photos I shot for a local shop of a beautiful Mark Nobilette they built up. Happy Friday! (tried to post them into the body of this, but for whatever reason the insert image widget didn't like my links. Maybe later) https://www.flickr.com/photos/theworldisours/14106216943/player/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/theworldisours/14086143615/player/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/theworldisours/14086625934/player/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/theworldisours/13899549558/player/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/theworldisours/14083185432/player/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/theworldisours/13899567150/player/ More photos of the Riv, the Nobilette, and general cycling/riding stuff at www.markreimer.ca if you care. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Some ideas on bike theft and retrieval (Here's how to get your stolen bike back in S.F.)
Rivendell keeps a serial number database-- if you register it: https://www.rivbike.com/Articles.asp?ID=323 (Yes, it's stamped on the bottom bracket shell.) I have a list of my bikes' serial numbers on my phone (in the odd and extremely small likelihood that I need it on hand). --shoji On Sunday, May 4, 2014 12:37:24 AM UTC-4, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: Sore subject, my Salsa hasn't turned up. I take pics of all my serial numbers: http://inlandempire.craigslist.org/bik/4374823920.html Hasn't done much good so far... As for garage doors, I left mine open while I was in the house, but to help secure the garage when it's closed, remove the cord handle, and/or zip tie the lever into the closed position: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSO_HTBHLFI Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 9:20 PM, Tom Virgil tevi...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: From sfgatehttp://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/nevius/article/Here-s-how-to-get-your-stolen-bike-back-in-S-F-5448933.php#page-1. The article has some reasonable ideas. The comments are chaotic so please don't be discouraged by them. It made me think. Do I even know or have I recorded the bicycle frame serial number of my Sam? Nope. I do not even know if it has one. I went back to my original invoice at the rivbike My Account to see if one was recorded there. It was not. Perhaps that would be a good idea if Riv bikes have such a concept. Failing the above, I will call Jared on Monday to see if Riv bikes have serial numbers and where to find them. More immediately, before tomorrow's ride I will check the underside of the bottom bracket (the obvious place) and see of one is stamped there. As is the case with most of you, my Sam arrived partially assembled. I have stuffed business cards and a reward card down the seat tube before installing the seat post. I would remove them if I sold Sam (not bloody likely unless my heirs prey my cold dead hands off of his new eggplant taped noodle bars.) We hear from time to time of a stolen bike on this list and there is a very good response from members as to remedies. That is greatly appreciated. The latest here in San Diego is theft from garages. I live in a gate guarded community with security patrols and still the thieves tailgate gardeners and maids. Charming as they might be, windows on your roll up garage doors just let the thieves see what can be had. Hanging your bikes from the ceiling and frosting those windows could help. They are also using garage door band frequency scanners to see what pops open when they roll through the neighborhood. There are newer garage door controllers that are resistant to that. The worst is having some thief jump in front of you on the bikeway and announce he is taking your bike from you. This has been happening on the Santa Ana River Trail and the Highway 56 route. Nothing is worth your life, so give it over if you must. The same attitude you should have toward a car jack. My solution to this situation (has happened twice) is not suitable for polite discussion on this forum. I have not lost any bikes. On a more positive note, I would advice much situational awareness and using continuous emotional awareness as to what you are riding into. ~Tom -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: RCW Custom Ride Report
Thanks, Liesl! I love that paint... would love to ride one, too. (SLCS, I mean.) I've tried to convince my wife to get the Cheviot, but she's not there yet. Oh well, could mean AHH in my future. --shoji On Wednesday, May 7, 2014 1:57:24 PM UTC-4, Liesl wrote: Hi Friends! Sheesh, between my crazy work schedule and our last blast of freezing sleety weather it's taken me some time to get riding in and catch up with the group! Here goes... *In General:* This bike puts a smile on my face whether I'm riding it, standing next to it, our just being with it in my living room. Makes me feel like a kid again (which after all is Keven's *raison d'etre*). Fun to ride, comfortable to ride. I haven't taken pictures or anything, plus the photos on the blug are more than I could do, so words will have to suffice. *Specifically (short people, read this):* The super long chainstays make a profound difference. I'm 5'2 and this is my third Riv. What's different here is that the bike is so crazy stable. In talking with Grant, he described how difficult it is to make a wee bike that doesn't feel tippy. I'm not gonna go into geometry here or try to explain why—but rather invite Grant to do a blug or a post on that topic. What I will describe is my experience. Up until now, I never wanted to sit as I pedaled up hills. It always felt like I was always going too slow and pedaling too fast and spending time correcting my steering. Yuck. So I just stood. But not with the custom! It's like a new world! The most dramatic example was going tto the May Day festival at a big hilly park here in Minneapolis and just riding anywhere as if I were...I can't even compare it...effortless effort. I know it's a mix of the big tires and the long chainstays and the Riv crew gearing it right, but it is crazy fun! *Tires Weight:* I am not a gram counter but I am a gram trying-to-understander. The bike is heavier than my Saluki and the Big Bens are stout. I do feel this, and for the time being, I am slower...but I don't really care. The ride is so comfortable and potholes disappear. And it's not a bad thing to be more in shape. I've said repeatedly to friends here that I might be slower, but I can go anywhere and I could do it all day. I'm experimenting with tire pressure from 10 to 30 pounds. Great fun. *Cockpit: * Kevenized Paul Thumbies (meaning flipping them so that they are on the inside of the grip rather than the outside) ROCK! Bullmoose Boscos ROCK! Miesha's Cork Grips ROCK! Okay, I like my cockpit. I think the thumbies are my all-time favorite shifter set-up (compared to bar-ends and stem mounted). Just right there and easy. I'd switched over to Boscos on my other bikes, so I already knoew that I like them, but the Bullmoose version is sweet and I never wonder about whether it will slip even with the long grip area. Finally, this is my first set of Miesha's Cork Grips (just the plain ones with no grooves but shellacked) and they are wonderful. Right amount of cushion, fantastic shape, good temperature, and seem to be doing well with sweat. I don't wanna wear gloves! Oh, and maroon cloth tape, not shellacked, twined with undyed waxed linen. Still need to wire the dyno/supernova set-up. *H2O Cages:* There isn't a lot of room for the waterbottle that's fitted to the diagatublettes, but it's a fun problem to solve. The trick is not that a bottle doesn't fit, it's getting it out of the cage that feels squeezy. I use kleen kanteens and they recently came out with a really short kids' version, which solves part one of the problem (the bottle length). Part two is now having a short bottle cage. I'm working with Paul Sykes to make a short cherry wooden cage that will match another regular-sized cage he made. That older one looks great and works perfectly on the downtube. *Saddles, Racks Bags:* I have a Nitto Mini Front with a medium Walk basket and a medium tan Shopsack. Sweet! What an all purpose set-up. The rear is trickier and I don't have it figured out. I put a Brooks Champion Flyer Select on a Paul Tall and Handsome seatpost and this is dreamy comfortable. But the dang springs coupled with the little frame make it not so compatible (if at all) with a saddle bag. Even the small Sackville Saddlesack, which I borrowed at Riv, was rubbing on the bodacious tires. And with the Super Long ChainStays (SLCS! New acronym!), conventional racks don't quite set-up well. I tried a Nitto Campee and a Tubus Cargo and both were unsatisfying. I might catch up with Mark A. at Riv on that front. If any of y'all have thoughts, post 'em! So far, though, the basket/shopsack combo covers a lot of situations. *Paint:* So subtly dramatically beautiful in any light, but especially sunlight. The opal/pearl flecks gleam. *Fenders:* Still to come. Working with my homeboys who
[RBW] Re: New Hunqapillar
Wow! Congrats. Gorgeous bike. Happy riding, Shoji On Wednesday, May 7, 2014 3:10:56 PM UTC-4, DS wrote: Just picked up my new Hunqapillar yesterday from RBW: http://imgur.com/a/hkcZf Ordered this guy in late January, beat the 4.5 month wait time by 1/3. Took it for a 10 mile spin around Oakland (paved), hoping to do a longer 'inaugural' ride this weekend on some dirt, but could be a few weeks due to some upcoming travel. Love the handlebar setup. I was super hesitant about it and made a few posts, but mostly followed Patrick's advice (thanks Patrick!). The real test will be on the trails. I'm coming from 10 years of road riding with very little trail riding experience, I did about a dozen mountain bike rides last year on a Salsa El Mariachi (which I Iater sold). Wish me luck. Hope to make it out to China Camp July 12 if there is room. Better ride report coming when I hit the trails. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: New Hunqapillar
I'm guessing 48. On Wednesday, May 7, 2014 5:05:33 PM UTC-4, jandrews_nyc wrote: Is that a 54? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: New Hunqapillar
Super! Let me know about the Compass 1.75... I've been contemplating adding them for the summer. (But I must say the Big Bens are great for road and trail. I've looked at the Smart Sams, but I do too much road to justify it over the Big Bens... hence my interest in the Compass.) I'm the same height+PBH. (Saddle height ~69-70.) It's great on the trails to have a little extra room to step down. For my reach, the 48 is better for 100mm stem and Noodles. I've got a set of moustache bars that I'll put on later this spring/summer. Also +1 on the CX70 brakes. I swapped out the Tektros (after I over tightened and snapped a bolt), and CX70s are great, even with the OEM brake pads. Set up is very easy, nice stopping power, good feel at the brake lever. For the chubby Big Bens, as advertised, I no longer have to deflate the tire to pull the wheel. (Hurray for small victories.) Jandrews-- I've got a 48 Hunqapillar in grey/bean, so I think that's probably an unfair advantage. For this bike, it's the wheel size-- 54 is a 29er, and those wheels look really big. Happy riding! shoji On Thursday, May 8, 2014 12:15:56 AM UTC-4, DS wrote: Hey how about that, that's my bike on the blug. There was another Hunqapillar (also a single top tube) that was about to be built up to, so unless it was the exact same size and build I'd say it's mine. I got another set of wheels and just put them on with my new compass tires, it's 2 bikes in ones: http://imgur.com/a/yUfWG Please ignore the fact that I store a dog bed in my fireplace. Space is tight ;) Hopefully will have a bikepacking version in a few months. Three in one special. On Wednesday, May 7, 2014 7:17:21 PM UTC-7, djbardwil wrote: Beautiful build and great color scheme - best of luck with it! I am the same PBH and recently put a similar Brooks Cambium on my Atlantis and rode it in the NYC 5 Boro Tour this weekend. I'd like to hear your experience once you've had some time on it. By the way - except for the saddle, is that not your new bike on the BLUG? On Wednesday, May 7, 2014 10:01:56 PM UTC-4, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: Love the color, good call on that one! I think going down a size on off-road bikes is a good call. I've put the downhill foot down on an off-camber trail once too many times on a full-framed bike. Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 6:58 PM, Montclair BobbyB montcla...@gmail.comwrote: Hunqa-Hunqa burnin' love wow!! On Wednesday, May 7, 2014 3:10:56 PM UTC-4, DS wrote: Just picked up my new Hunqapillar yesterday from RBW: http://imgur.com/a/hkcZf Ordered this guy in late January, beat the 4.5 month wait time by 1/3. Took it for a 10 mile spin around Oakland (paved), hoping to do a longer 'inaugural' ride this weekend on some dirt, but could be a few weeks due to some upcoming travel. Love the handlebar setup. I was super hesitant about it and made a few posts, but mostly followed Patrick's advice (thanks Patrick!). The real test will be on the trails. I'm coming from 10 years of road riding with very little trail riding experience, I did about a dozen mountain bike rides last year on a Salsa El Mariachi (which I Iater sold). Wish me luck. Hope to make it out to China Camp July 12 if there is room. Better ride report coming when I hit the trails. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Ring the Peak Birthday Ride
Happy Birthday Patrick, and many more. On Thursday, May 8, 2014 5:19:56 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote: Headed out at 4am this morning sporting my new birthday light (B+M Ixon IQ). Roads are wondrously quiet then! And thanks to the new light, brilliantly illuminated as well. Plus, battery powered, so it works when in LCG up 25% slopes. Grin. The trails are now clear of snow, (my birthday tends to be a good marker of this around here), so this was my first serious trail ride of the year (7.5 hours of riding). Highlights: — Bigfoot sports a mullet — I rode higher gearing than I’ve ever ridden on these trails, though lower than I’ll have on my QB. I think these are too rocky and technical for the QB anyway, but it’s good to find out where I am in comparison. — Forest thinning equipment is LOUD and carries a LONG way. Thankful for earplugs. So much for remote solitude. — Long rides feel god. — Birthday rides increase appreciation for the bike I have and the bike that’s coming. — Birthday rides are a wondrous time for reflection on the abundance of life and love I’ve been blessed with so far and looking forward to another year of wild adventure. — Backroad connectors are brilliant ways to avoid congestion and brain implosion on the highway, making rides like this possible (wife needn’t drive me to the trailhead!). — Amazing homecomings are a great way to end a ride. Lassies (who weren’t up when I left) burst out the house and engulfed me upon my arrival. Pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/sets/72157644582864445/ With abandon, Patrick *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org http://www.MindYourHeadCoop.org* *www.OurHolyConception.org http://www.OurHolyConception.org* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Hunqapillar on The Radavist
To add to the Blug's photos of a 48cm Hunqapillar, here's another series of a beautiful green Hunqapillar (I'm guessing 54cm). Check it out on The Radavist: http://theradavist.com/2014/05/allans-hunqapillar-dirt-tourer/#1 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Quickbeam Squeal and Brakes
Have you tried changing the brake pads? How do the current ones look? Change the toe-in? Brake bolts are all snug? What about the rims? Have you tried cleaning/degreasing them? Fork crown-mounted cable stop is a good suggestion. I just switched from Tektro CR720 to Shimano CX70 on my Hunqapillar (from high profile to low profile). I'd previously had some issues with brake squeal, but I haven't experienced brake with the CX70s. Good luck-- brake squeal can be a pain... shoji On Tuesday, May 13, 2014 10:13:24 PM UTC-4, LAP57 wrote: My Quickbeam is my most used bike but I have suffered with front brake squeal since I bought it about 8 years ago. The original Shimano brakes may have squealed the least. I have also tried Cane Creek cantis and currently have Avid shorty 6's on the bike. The current brakes may be the worst. I spoke with Rivendell and they feel the issue is brake related and not an issue with the fork. I took a look at the Quickbeams on the Cyclofiend site noticed that many had high profile cantis. Has anyone cured the squeal by going to high profile cantis? Any recomendations? Paul does not recommend their high profile cantis for road bikes so I have been looking at Cane Creek and Velo Orange brakes. Any thoughts on these? Any other options? Thanks. Larry Powers Get a bicycle. You will not regret it if you live. - Mark Twain -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Geometrically Challenged
Maybe try this: http://www.bikecalculator.co.uk/createamap.htm (or google bicycle geometry calculator to see other variations) Caveat-- theory may not be the same as reality when you go to set it up. If you're mechanically inclined, then just perform the experiment: Loosen the stem bolt and put it all the way down-- measure. Raise the stem to the min insertion line (i.e., max height)-- measure. You can estimate a change to another stem if you know its relationship to the one you have. (e.g., Tallux vs Dirt Drop) Have fun! shoji On Friday, May 16, 2014 4:52:02 PM UTC-4, Doug Williams wrote: I want to be able to look at the Rivendell Geometry Charts and figure out how high or low I can have the handlebars relative to my saddle height. Since I know my saddle height, I just need to know the distance from front dropout to the top of the head tube. Since I know my saddle height, this should be easy to figure. Yes, I would have to add in the BB drop, but that shouldn't be too hard. I figure that the seat tube angle and head tube angles are close enough to not make a big difference in my answer. Is there a way I can figure this out without calling Riv and wasting their time? Doug -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: BB length for Atlantis with White VBC cranks?
Wow, really? Erik of Bikenoir/Cosmic Country mentioned 113mm BB on the Hunqapillar. I have a VBC Mountain and 113mm waiting for installation in the box... maybe I'll need to plan on a longer time window before venturing. Here's the link to the thread on 113/VBC/Hunqapillar: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!starred/rbw-owners-bunch/jE_W_ff3RSU Good luck, Mark. shoji On Friday, May 16, 2014 7:39:33 PM UTC-4, Mark Reimer wrote: Hi all, I just got a pair of White Industries mountain VBC cranks with a 46/36 ring combination for my Atlantis build. There is a 113mm BB in the frame currently and it is way too short to run these cranks, which isn't that surprising. I followed the instructions on the WI website and it looks like I'll need a BB somewhere in the 130mm range, which seems very long to me. Is anyone out there running the VBC cranks on an Atlantis? Care to share the inner ring size and BB length for comparison please? Thanks! Mark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Quickbeam Inaugural Ride
happy riding, Patrick-- silver wind... great name. Perhaps one day I'll be able to ride with you. shoji On Sunday, May 18, 2014 10:47:40 AM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote: The climb is from 7,800 feet to 10,000 feet over 7 miles, so I doubt it's 10% the whole way. there are parts that are 12-14% though. So, not nearly as impressive as you thought, Patrick. Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Sunday, May 18, 2014 7:10:18 AM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote: 46 gear for 20 miles of 10% grade -- I *am* impressed! How much did you walk? http://www.fatcyclist.com/2012/08/01/a-handy-guide-to-climbing-grades/ On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 3:50 PM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.com wrote: The Quickbeam arrived! Well packed and in excellent condition. The first gift was to learn that drop bars and vertigo do not play well together. So I swapped them out for Albastache and all is good! 66 cm is the perfect size and what an amazing ride! The MSO tires handle the dirt exceptionally well. Fantastic inaugural ride of 20 miles up to 10,000 feet and then down some single track. She handles beautifully. Similarly to the Hunqapillar and yet quicker, lighter, faster, more responsive. Christened A’ Ghaoth Airgead (Ah-Goo Air-uh-get): Gaelic for The Silver Wind” A few initial photos, though I forgot my phone/camera in my excitement to head out, so no shots in the wild yet. https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/sets/72157644719995654/ I kept gearing simple to start, just using my low of 32-19 for climbing and high of 40-16 for the return home. With abandon, Patrick *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org http://www.MindYourHeadCoop.org* *www.OurHolyConception.org http://www.OurHolyConception.org* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ Patrick Moore Albuquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Etats Unis * In yourself right now is all the place you've got. Flannery O'Connor -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Why Wear a Helmet?
I agree that the data are irrelevant-- but, the reason that I wear a helmet is that if I'm in a collision, then I don't want the excuse to-be the cyclist wasn't wearing a helmet. In virtually all of the bike/auto collisions covered in the Boston-area media, there's a statement Cyclist was/was not wearing a helmet or It is unknown whether cyclist was wearing a helmet. In some situations, it's comically sad to include helmet/no helmet, because the helmet is irrelevant: e.g., cyclist was run over by a garbage truck, a head-on collision with a fast-moving car crossing over the double yellow, etc. Here's a first-person narrative from SF (excerpt from http://humofthecity.com/2014/04/21/who-protects-us-from-you/): ..When my son and I had our injuries assessed, the paramedics took off our helmets (and cut off the rest of my clothes as well). For the next half hour that we were in the ambulance as the police took the report, I was asked repeatedly whether we had been wearing helmets. “Were you sure you were wearing helmets? You’re not wearing helmets now. If you were really wearing helmets, where are they? Were you really wearing a helmet?” Then they asked my son whether we were really wearing helmets. My husband showed them our helmets. “Were they wearing those helmets when they were hit?” The paramedics said we were wearing helmets, that they had taken off our helmets. “Did you see the helmets on them?” They asked the (many, many) witnesses, “Were they wearing helmets?” They said yes. “Are you sure?.. --shoji On Monday, May 19, 2014 7:50:58 AM UTC-4, Ron Mc wrote: The data is irrelevant. It doesn't matter how many helmets you're wearing if you go head-to-head with an automobile in a collision. But by yourself on a bicycle, 12 mph with just the wrong impact will kill you. All of us are going to flip our bikes at some point. Wearing a helmet then will make all the difference in impact and laceration injuries. On Monday, May 19, 2014 6:25:40 AM UTC-5, Edwin W wrote: I would love to see the same chart for car wrecks. Walking deaths. Stair falls. For biking in the Netherlands. I know a guy who was in a bike crash. He lived, with no head injury. He was not wearing a helmet. I'm not convinced that is why he lived, with no head injury, but it is a correlation. Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't, Edwin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: 6 Weeks of daily commuting on my Sam
Great looking commuter! --shoji On Monday, May 19, 2014 12:49:51 AM UTC-4, blakcloud wrote: A while ago, I asked about commuting with Rivendell's and this is the thread on that. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rbw-owners-bunch/commuting/rbw-owners-bunch/jA1MwzjB81Y/2x5-RZVaMZ0J Well after six weeks of using the Sam for my one hour commutes each way all I can say is this bike is a keeper. My previous daily commuter was given to my son. My exact replica, back up commuter is being sold off piece by piece. Part of the experiment was to minimize the amount of bikes I own and so far this has been working out well. Longboards and Marathons were added. A new dynamo wheel was added yesterday and today I replaced the bar ends with Paul Thumbies and Ergon grips, so the bike is now complete. Here is the finished product. https://www.flickr.com/photos/87106495@N07/sets/72157644324781978/ It is time to just enjoy my daily commutes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Why Wear a Helmet?
Patrick, thanks for bringing up skiing/snow sports: From NYT (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/01/sports/on-slopes-rise-in-helmet-use-but-no-decline-in-brain-injuries.html?_r=0): Although skiers and snowboarders in the United States are wearing helmets more than ever — 70 percent of all participants, nearly triple the number from 2003 — there has been no reduction in the number of snow-sports-related fatalities or brain injuries in the country, according to the National Ski Areas Association. The article goes on to discuss higher-risk behaviors in which skiers and snow boarders are now engaging (e.g., faster speeds, higher jumps, back country areas). Some researchers are looking at P.S.H.I.’s, for potentially serious head injuries, a classification that includes concussion, skull fracture, closed head injury, traumatic brain injury and death by head injury, of which there does not appear to be a decline. On Monday, May 19, 2014 10:43:13 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote: I think Edwin is on the track of the right question: exactly how dangerous is cycling? From the statistics I've read, not that dangerous, less dangerous than walking, IIRC. Is cycling more dangerous than skiing? Do skiiers wear helmets? What about people showering in poreclain-covered bathtubs? Or climbing ladders to change light bulbs? Or crossing urban intersections on foot? Or running cross country? A helmet will make all the difference in the world, perhaps, if you fall in one of these situations, but is it worth our while to wear helmets for them? On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 5:25 AM, Edwin W dween...@hotmail.comjavascript: wrote: I would love to see the same chart for car wrecks. Walking deaths. Stair falls. For biking in the Netherlands. I know a guy who was in a bike crash. He lived, with no head injury. He was not wearing a helmet. I'm not convinced that is why he lived, with no head injury, but it is a correlation. Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't, Edwin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Squishy Brakes
Hi Patrick, I love the pics of the wind in the wild. I noticed the brake cable housing wasn't taped to the albastaches. If you're experiencing squishiness, it could be that the cable housing is moving quite a bit and contributing to the feel. If this is the case, I would guess that your rear brake feels more squishy than the front. I'd also bet that you can see the housing move when you open/close the brake lever. A simple test/fix would be to tape down the brake housing (e.g., electrical tape, hbar tape). You're probably going to do it sooner rather than later anyway. Also, I'd recommend tying the brake lever (i.e., brakes on) and then taping the housing. Shoe laces, rubber band, irish strap.. anything to close the lever would be fine. Best, shoji On Monday, May 19, 2014 11:31:48 AM UTC-4, Philip Williamson wrote: I have my Quickbeam's front CR720 yoke set up fairly high, and with Koolstop or Yokozuna pads. The original crappy Shimano low-profile cantis had the yoke almost resting on the M12 rack's center post. So maybe a 2 inch difference? Just measured - my Tektro CR720 straddle cable yoke is 6 cm above the rack mounting hole on my green OG Quickbeam. Until I raised the straddle and changed the pads, the Tektro was far worse than the original brakes. The rear CR720 simply got replaced with the Shimano one. My rule of thumb is low profile, low straddle, high profile, high straddle. I don't think it stands up to the geometry science, but it seems to work okay in practice. Philip www.biketinker.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: BB length for Atlantis with White VBC cranks?
Hi Mark, Did you try Keven or Brian at Riv? They both run VBC cranks. Brian's Hunqapillar http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/staff10.htm Keven's Appaloosa http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/staff3.htm Good eye on the Radavist-- it seems like Jared (at Riv) may have insight into the BB length. Keep me/us posted! Shoji On Tuesday, May 20, 2014 9:37:27 PM UTC-4, Mark Reimer wrote: Since this has been a topic on my mind, I just noticed that the hunqapillar on the Radavist has the White Industries *road* VBC cranks, which have a very narrow Q factor, plus 46/36 rings, which should be even harder to fit than my situation. Confounding! http://theradavist.com/2014/05/allans-hunqapillar-dirt-tourer/#8 So far emailing back and forth with W.I. and Riv hasn't turned up a solution. Confusion continues. On Monday, May 19, 2014 8:34:21 PM UTC-5, Mark Reimer wrote: Well it's still a mystery. I used some callipers to measure the BB in my frame, it's 114 from end-to-end and my rings bottom out on the frame before the BB taper even starts to make full contact. Using the instructions on the white industries website, they'd have me running a spindle over 140, which cannot be right. I've emailed them as well as Mark at Riv for advice. My local shop doesn't have square taper BB's past 125, which I would have thought would be adequate. There are enough photos of Atlantis' with VBC cranks to make me know this is a doable combination, but many of them seem to have smaller inner rings - usually around 30 or smaller. I'm wondering if the size of my inner ring is too large with the Atlantis flared chain stays. I hope to have this sorted out soon, the remaining parts for the bike are arriving this week and this is all that will hold me back. On Sunday, May 18, 2014 12:02:48 PM UTC-5, bicyc...@gmail.com wrote: I'm rolling a 40x24, for climbing infinity and maximum clearance. I'm within a few mm of rubbing 60s. Not sure if I have a 113 or 118 down there, been a year or so since I replaced it. On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 6:30 PM, Shoji Takahashi shoji.t...@gmail.comwrote: Wow, really? Erik of Bikenoir/Cosmic Country mentioned 113mm BB on the Hunqapillar. I have a VBC Mountain and 113mm waiting for installation in the box... maybe I'll need to plan on a longer time window before venturing. Here's the link to the thread on 113/VBC/Hunqapillar: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!starred/rbw-owners-bunch/jE_W_ff3RSU Good luck, Mark. shoji On Friday, May 16, 2014 7:39:33 PM UTC-4, Mark Reimer wrote: Hi all, I just got a pair of White Industries mountain VBC cranks with a 46/36 ring combination for my Atlantis build. There is a 113mm BB in the frame currently and it is way too short to run these cranks, which isn't that surprising. I followed the instructions on the WI website and it looks like I'll need a BB somewhere in the 130mm range, which seems very long to me. Is anyone out there running the VBC cranks on an Atlantis? Care to share the inner ring size and BB length for comparison please? Thanks! Mark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- oakland, ca bikenoir.blogspot.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: BB length for Atlantis with White VBC cranks?
Mark, I installed the White ENO/VBC Mountain on my Hunqapillar. It's a 44/26 on a 113 Shimano BB. There's not much room for a larger inner ring (or outer ring for that matter). Here's a pic of the inner ring. https://www.flickr.com/photos/stakx/14266122862/ The distance to the chain stay is closer than the Sugino it replaced. No problems (thus far) with rubbing, but I'm 155#. Good luck, shoji On Friday, May 23, 2014 7:17:57 PM UTC-4, rperks wrote: Mark, I am correct in thinking that you picked up these cranks used? and if you have a 113 bb spindle, new or in good shape, can you put the arms on said spindle out of the bike, so that the arms are across from each other, and torque down to spec of 30 ft lbs? From there it should be easy to measure the Q factor with a tape measure or ruler. I am wondering if the arms had previously been off and on, or run loose and the tapers are slightly buggered. This could cause them to run up on the spindle tapers and give you a false impression of fit with a specified spindle. This still puts you back at a point of trial and error to get them working. My only concern is if you are needing a bb spindle that long it means you quite possible are having 14.5 mm of creep split up in some portion of each arm. I am guessing these have the self extracting bolts, and yo may not be seeing how close these are to having the bolt bottom out on the spindle end. You may get these to work on a longer spindle, but is the tapers are that far out of spec you may honestly want to start thinking about safety of use. That all said, even with the math WI recommends, a 36 inner ring is pretty big and may be a portion of the multi faceted problem. First thing I would do is confirm Q on a known accurate spindle, and make sure you are remotely within tolerance. From there if you want to use the cranks you will also have a new baseline for you calculations on where it all sits in space. Another thing to consider is the differences between spindles. I have installed the VBC on WI, SKF, Shimano and IRD 113 bottom brackets. They are all close, but there is still a bit over a mm in spread of where the chain line ends up. That said, once the chain is on and you are rolling it is all about the same. Rob (the only thing worse than professional liability for answering questions, is answering questions about used parts and stuff you talk about on the internet ;-) ) Ventura, Ca On Thursday, May 22, 2014 2:50:59 PM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote: Realized after posting that you likely were referring to the 46/36 chain ring sizes as being a road double, not the actual crank arms. My mistake. Ride your bike! On Thursday, May 22, 2014 4:47:57 PM UTC-5, Mark Reimer wrote: The ENO crank is not a road double actually, it is a mountain double crank. VBC cranks are offered in two variations - road and mountain. ENO cranks are the single speed and mountain double arms. The cranks I have are designed with wide chain stays in mind, so this should work. I always knew the Atlantis had wide stays, but after seeing a few photos of this combination online, I wasn't expecting any troubles. The only reason this is getting complicated is because the instructions provided by White Industries themselves generated a BB length that simply made no sense - well over 140mm. So in some ways, I agree - my first step was to use the manufacturer-provided guidelines for calculating bottom brackets. This generated questionable results, so that lead me to option two: ask the owners group if anyone is running the same combination and can share their BB length. Since that didn't turn anything up either, I asked the manufacturer if I was using their formula correctly. And then, like you suggested, I'm on to option 3 - go to a shop, and trial and error. I am well aware that bike shops charge for labour by the hour and it's a valuable service. I spend a significant amount of my money employing my local shops for this exact service, so there is no need to preach the value of paying skilled craftspeople to me. I am part of the choir. The reason why this thread has rambled on is that there never should have been a need to employ any skilled mechanic, much less go into a trail and error mode and waste money buying a bunch of cheap bottom brackets as a means of finding the right length, because calculating BB length is easy with some simple math. I've done it for all my bikes for over a decade. I pay my bike shop to do things I can't do, and order components locally whenever possible. I'm building the Atlantis myself because I enjoy it, not simply to save money or because I don't value skilled work. I manage a graphic design studio and have the exact same understanding of the value of time as you do in architecture. That's why I came to an owner/enthusiast group first, which doesn't cost anyone anything,
[RBW] Re: OMG Bosco Handlebars Changed My Life!
+1--- very happy to hear this, Cecily. Happy riding, shoji On Monday, June 2, 2014 10:30:29 AM UTC-4, sean wrote: Great news to hear! I completely agree on the Bosco bars. I never thought I'd be riding bars like these, but after neck stenosis problems, these bars have kept me riding! Great comfort and hand positions. Have put them on other bikes as well. Upright is alright by me. :) Sean On Saturday, May 31, 2014 10:29:00 PM UTC-5, Cecily Walker wrote: I took Rizzo (my Betty Foy) to my LBS today to have Bosco handlebars put on. I wasn't sure if they'd make a difference in the pain I was feeling while riding, but I trust the folks here (and at Riv) who suggested that I give them a shot. I'm happy to report that all of the pain I was feeling in my wrists is gone, as is most of the pain in my knees. I have an appointment with a (new) physiotherapist in a week which includes a bike fitting, so there may be further adjustments to come, but I am ever so happy with these handlebars. I am riding upright (yay!) but my bike still feels sprightly and quick, and still takes hills like a champion. The smile on my face was almost as broad as the day I brought Rizzo home. I can't thank you folks enough for the suggestions and encouragement - I'm back in the saddle again! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Handlebar diagrams
Here it is: https://www.flickr.com/photos/olipop/8915626620/in/faves-stakx/ And another with commentary: https://www.flickr.com/photos/olipop/14008873695/in/faves-stakx/ You can see them in Riv Cat#20: http://www.rivbike.com/category-s/814.htm On Monday, June 2, 2014 1:17:54 PM UTC-4, davidmcc wrote: Can someone please point me to the PDF that I thought I saw here that show's all the Riv upright handlebars super imposed on one another. I believe it was a link to an older riv reader. I have a friend needing to be more upright because of neck and shoulder issues and is looking at the Bosco and Albatross bars. Thanks in advance, David -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: I raced my Riv.
Tony, This is so awesome. Love the pic, Shoji On Monday, June 2, 2014 10:21:13 PM UTC-4, Tony McG wrote: My Atlantis was not the only Rivendell in the Almonzo 100, but I am pretty sure that there was not another Riv in the Dirty Kanza 200 or Half Pint. The bike performed flawlessly except for my sloppy friction shifting. About a year ago, I drove up to Spring Valley, MN and rode with Jim Thill and a bunch of country bike cyclist on the Almonzo 100 course. After that experience, I decided that gravel was a lot safer and more scenic than riding on pavement. I built a Surly LHT into a gravel grinder and started riding with Guitar Ted on Saturday mornings for a 3-hour gravel ride. I found the Atlantis on this forum and realized that it was a much nicer ride than the Trucker; the Surly has been hanging in the garage since. I wasn't out to win, just finish. I haven't heard where I placed in the Almonzo, but I finished the DK Half Pint in the top 1/4 of the starters and the top 1/3 of the finishers. I carried too much stuff, and should have run lower air pressure in the tires. I was afraid of pinch flats on the cattle grates, but I was able to wheelie or hop the bike over most of them. After the race, one of the more experienced riders suggested 35# in the front and 40# in the back; I was running 45# in both of the Schwalbe Dureme 700cX40. I am looking forward to trying the Half Pint (111 miles) again next year, but I doubt if I will ever do the 200. After 8 hours of gravel, wind, hills, heat, and sun, I am ready to get off of the bike. https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-JlyB_Hn0W2E/U40w_8fY_OI/ACk/U43mvfA3SuQ/s1600/DK_1225-%28ZF-0500-46390-1-001%29.jpg I love this bike and really love passing guys half my age on carbon fiber 'cross bikes... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Quick question on the Cheviot
Hi RJM: In my size (48cm), the Hunqapillar has the second longest chainstays of production Rivs at 46cm (designed for 26/559BSD). The Cheviot in my size (55cm) looks to have ~55cm chainstays (designed for 650b). For my riding, the Hunqapillar and probably the Cheviot would be terrific. The Riv vids of the Cheviot and Hunqapillar are the sort of trails that I seek. If that's the terrain of the Canal Loop, then they'll do fine. Good luck! shoji On Friday, June 6, 2014 8:06:08 AM UTC-4, RJM wrote: I will have to take the chainstays into consideration; I didn't really think about them when I initially thought it would be a cool mountain bike. There is always the Hunqapillar, Bombadil (for $$$) or I could go custom mountain mixte if I wanted to go that route. I'm not a fan of the mountain bikes at the local bike shops even though they are technologically wonderful, and would like to keep the stable full of Rivendells anyways. On Friday, June 6, 2014 5:38:48 AM UTC-5, Chris Lampe 2 wrote: I've often read about how shorter chainstays helped MTB's climb but never really understood it until recently when I read something where it was explained that longer chainstays are further back from the rider's weight and therefore more likely to slip while climbing dirt and gravel while shorter chainstays have more weight on them and maintain climbing traction better. No personal experience with this but it sounds reasonable and might be something to think about when considering a bike with the chainstay length of the Cheviot. On Thursday, June 5, 2014 2:52:11 PM UTC-5, BenG wrote: Re MTB chain stay length: my 1990 MB-1 is much easier to pedal on long uphill trails than my 1987 Schwinn Sierra, and the Schwinn goes downhill like a rocket rail sled in comparison to the B'stone. Those two bikes are kind of at extremes of chainstay length - I think the MB-1 broke ground with short stays and the Schwinn is classic early trail bike. FWIW. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: First ride on the Atlantis!
Looks great, Mark. Happy riding! On Tuesday, June 10, 2014 10:36:29 AM UTC-4, Mark Reimer wrote: Finally finished this up at 1am last night so I could ride to work today! It's still missing some Velo Orange fenders and King Iris cages, but they will be in later this week. For those keeping track, I managed to get the White Industries cranks mounted with a 118mm BB and 44x30 chain rings. I've got about 2-3mm clearance at the chain ring bolts, and more at the rings, so a smaller inner ring would allow for an even shorter spindle. I'll share some more detailed photos once the fenders are on, and this weekend I'm taking it on a 100km s24o to give it a proper shakedown. I may have only ridden it 5km so far, but I LOVE IT! https://www.flickr.com/photos/theworldisours/14204496230/in/photostream/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Question about installation of rear fender on Roadeo
If the bolt engages enough of the threaded hole, you should be fine. Cork works (Anton and others use this-- plenty-o-pics on Flickr showing it) Aluminum spacer works (Riv video posted earlier shows Mark doing this) Plastic spacer works (Peter White's method, see ~7th pic or so http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/rambouillet.asp) Sean of Riv used the spacers from Shimano CX70 canti-brakes in his Roadeo BOM http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/staff23.htm VO offers a spring-thing-- I have this on my CC, but honestly I don't get it. On Wednesday, June 11, 2014 9:20:28 AM UTC-4, Tim Gavin wrote: I used a long bolt and a spring as a spacer. I don't have to remember to remove a cork/spacer before removing the wheel. That's good for the times I'm fixing a flat on the road. My Riv Road has forward facing horizontal dropouts (Campy 1010). Sometimes I have to re-adjust the spring after re-mounting the wheel; it's not 100% automatic. But pretty good. I rummaged around the spring drawers at my local hardware store until I found one that seemed ok. I'ts about 2.5 long, and light/medium strength. On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 7:32 AM, Eric Norris campyo...@me.com javascript: wrote: +1 on the wine cork idea. --Eric N www.CampyOnly.com CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy On Jun 11, 2014, at 4:40 AM, Anton Tutter atu...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: I've used a wine bottle cork as a spacer when the bridge mount is farther away than it should be. Works great! Anton ridingthecatskills.com On Wednesday, June 11, 2014 6:38:14 AM UTC-4, blakcloud wrote: Go to around 2:49 of this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lG_WZVS9SUYRivendell produced in installing fenders. You can see what they did. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lG_WZVS9SUY -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar steerer too long?
Yes-- Google Nitto flat bar. Straight bars, Priest bars, riser bars... lots-o-bars! Also check out Soma's offerings. Nice, too, (not quite Nitto nice), but less expensive if you're experimenting. On Thursday, June 12, 2014 11:02:40 AM UTC-4, Ginz wrote: Hmm...is there a super-high quality (Nitto) flat bar available? That could work. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: musa pants inseam question
Hi DS, I'm 5' 7 (on a tall day). PBH ~80-ish. 30 inseam for pants. I wear the MUSA Small pants. I just measured mine, and they are 31 inseam. The leg is tapered, and when the zipper is closed, there's no heel dragging. I measured the cuff, and it's ~13 (circumference). I wear ~30 waist, and these fit fine. (Maybe a bit snug, but nitpicking.) The pants (and knickers and shorts) are great for many activities. I've noticed that the material seems more windproof and heat retaining than other nylon-type bottoms that I have-- I run warmer in MUSA than my other gear. LMK if you have any questions, Shoji On Sunday, June 15, 2014 7:28:03 PM UTC-4, DS wrote: for any shorter musa pants owner, how is the long inseam? i'm 5'7, 30 inseam (but really only because no one makes 29 inseams) do the leg openings and zipper tighten up enough to cinch it around the ankle and keep it from dragging down below the heel? or will someone short like me just suffer from having really long pants that drag. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: musa pants inseam question
Yes, snug buckled with the straps expanded as far as possible. When unbuckled, there's no issue, and I think would be fine for 32. You could redo the buckle, if the fit was otherwise fine. But maybe the medium would be better if the other dimensions are close enough? (Hiking and camping would be great-- and colder weather riding.) On Sunday, June 15, 2014 9:53:10 PM UTC-4, DS wrote: Thanks Shoji. That helps a good bit. I’m a 32” waist normally but hoping a small will work with the expandable strap on the waist. the shorts I have are a medium and fit great. Are they snug with the straps on the waist expanded out as far as they can go? These will be more for hiking and camping mostly, some riding. On Jun 15, 2014, at 6:38 PM, Shoji Takahashi shoji.t...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Hi DS, I'm 5' 7 (on a tall day). PBH ~80-ish. 30 inseam for pants. I wear the MUSA Small pants. I just measured mine, and they are 31 inseam. The leg is tapered, and when the zipper is closed, there's no heel dragging. I measured the cuff, and it's ~13 (circumference). I wear ~30 waist, and these fit fine. (Maybe a bit snug, but nitpicking.) The pants (and knickers and shorts) are great for many activities. I've noticed that the material seems more windproof and heat retaining than other nylon-type bottoms that I have-- I run warmer in MUSA than my other gear. LMK if you have any questions, Shoji On Sunday, June 15, 2014 7:28:03 PM UTC-4, DS wrote: for any shorter musa pants owner, how is the long inseam? i'm 5'7, 30 inseam (but really only because no one makes 29 inseams) do the leg openings and zipper tighten up enough to cinch it around the ankle and keep it from dragging down below the heel? or will someone short like me just suffer from having really long pants that drag. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/j23-mi_Ydrk/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: It's like getting a personalized letter from Santa and the Easter Bunny, all rolled into one
makes me so happy, and so happy you're riding your betty again. On Monday, June 16, 2014 6:16:28 PM UTC-4, Cecily Walker wrote: I went to check my mail today and what should I see but a handwritten postcard from the folks at Rivendell, congratulating me on finding handlebars that worked for me. I may have giggled all the way up the elevator to my apartment. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: First Redwood Commute!
That's a really nice looking bike. Great color. Like the other small/big thread, I'm curious to see my bike (48cm Hunqapillar) next to it for scale. On Monday, June 16, 2014 6:22:21 PM UTC-4, David Banzer wrote: It seems almost every year, after commuting through the cold winter and wet spring, that by the time very nice weather comes, I'm a little burned out on commuting on the same old route. After summoning my courage to leave my Redwood locked up outside my work building all day, I broke my commuting funk by riding today on Redwood and tested out new bags. Got a nice comment from a lady passing by admiring my bags, suggesting I make a bunch more to sell. Funny as I had just come out of a fabric store with a bunch cotton duck fabric. And got a nice bike from a Riv'ed out Surly rider. Bags held up very nicely, even overstuffed with other bags and fabric. Came home to find a package for me. A giant box full of leather for bags. Nice day. David Chicago selling bags at treetop.bigcartel.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Is it the tube, or the design?
Hi Joe, I agree with you about the Riv handling-- the ride of the Hunqapillar is just special compared to other bikes I've ridden. I remembered this blinded tubing comparison from Bruce Gordon's site. Steel vs Steel: Tange Prestige and Columbus SL http://www.bgcycles.com/frame-tubing-selection.html Great Heron build, BTW. shoji On Friday, June 20, 2014 11:37:13 AM UTC-4, Hugh Flynn wrote: As a Heron Road owner, I can certainly agree with what you've described below. I've never really cared about the tubes or tube specs as I've assumed that the great ride quality is the result of the geometry and careful tube selection. Simply picking up the same tubes and making a different bike with them would probably not generate the same result. It's a complete package I think. Hugh Happy Herron Flynn Newburyport, MA On Jun 20, 2014, at 11:24 AM, Joe Bernard wrote: My initial comments about my Heron Road generated a good bit of discussion about the perceived wonderfulness of a specific tube, which has been interesting and informative, but possibly misses a salient fact about said bicycle: I've owned several Grant-designed bikes, and they all have an hard-to-describe-if-you-haven't-experienced-it ability to float comfortably down the road; hold a stable line in a turn; yet snap into a different direction on a whim. I've ridden enough other bikes in 25 years to know this is not an universal quality in frame design, which is one of the things that makes Rivendells (and Riv-designed Herons) special. Of course the tubes chosen for each model/size are part of the equation, but I suspect the geometries they are placed into make more of a difference in the ride/handling than the specific properties of the tube themselves. This would be my guess, at any rate. Joe I can follow the path, I can read the signs. Stay right with it when the road unwinds Bernard Vallejo, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Clem Rack and Bruce Gordon RnR's
that looks terrific! The clem rack seems well designed and very strong. On Tuesday, June 24, 2014 9:20:19 AM UTC-4, jandrews_nyc wrote: A few minor updates to the S.H. which actually make it feel like an entirely new bike. Going to lose the Albatross in favor of the Albastache in a few days. Just need the right stem for that..(so if anyone has a 8cm, 26.0mm technomic or otherwise, let me know) The RnR's feel great, so supple and you hardly can tell it's a knobby on pavement. No buzz, more like a very low-grade whirr. Surprisingly they fit well underneath the Berhoud/SKS fenders I've had for a few years. For muddy conditions, they'd definitely need to come off though. https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-k8pG4L9bc6s/U6l63rN1hlI/AVQ/bS2jwnZ1tz8/s1600/photo+3.JPG https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-SfC-CIzMNoM/U6l69lbeX-I/AVY/KdCd_ii1o8c/s1600/photo+4.JPG -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Under-biking the Saluki
what a fun ride+ report, Tony. On Tuesday, June 24, 2014 12:26:21 AM UTC-4, Tony DeFilippo wrote: I think I found an edge of my own personal envelope where the Saluki is involved on Sunday... not that it wasn't up to the task but I think this was a bit of a stretch. To be fair I had just re-built my MB-5 with Bosco's and 2.1 knobbies to use for this purpose but ended up loaning the bike out to a buddies son who needed it for a Boy Scout ride over the same weekend. So anyway, I decided to try and make the Saluki into an off-road axe/saw hauling utility vehicle to access some family property in Winchester VA. I'm hoping to spend alot more time up there in the next couple years and think a dedicated off road bike (dare I say fat bike?!?) is in my future. Bottom line was I didn't bring the 4wd vehicle so I was either riding or hiking in. I particularly wanted to finally demo the sweet Hultsfor Bruk American Felling Axe I picked up off the list a month or so ago but hadn't gotten any use out of it and my 36 bow saw. https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-_GEGvqJlSyg/U6j7Pnx9YII/EdY/I0pyjUMc2iM/s1600/DSC_3898.jpg Yes that's surly junk straps and old toe clip straps holding the axe and bow saw on. I'm not endorsing or suggesting anyone else try this! I will be doing some more garage work to figure out a better, safer and more secure way to mount these things for the next iteration (and probably on a knobbier tired bike w/out fenders). It did, however, get the job done. My 'ride' out to the site I was working on is less than 1.5 miles and there was so much mud early and then hill after that I hike-a-biked most of it. The way back was easier to ride... I'm amazed how difficult I find starting up off-road hills from a dead stop. It is very disconcerting to have so much trouble getting the bike moving! https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-MC3JfvbWs44/U6j8Fm4dffI/Edg/Y0kd-lA6obc/s1600/DSC_3916.jpg https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-hmuLRM8HxHQ/U6j8KhtQVyI/Edo/XJmtUF-k0sM/s1600/DSC_3925.jpg Evidence of axe work (you'll just see the Bruks in the left picture against the far tree trunk. I had never chopped down a tree before today and so I can't really review the axe with any authority, but it seemed to do its job exceptionally well. I much preferred it for the big tasks than using my Fiskars X15 chopper. These two trees were standing dead pines that are adjacent to a semi-permanent campsite I'm putting in. I limbed both and stripped the bark and I'm hoping to go back and process them further to use in some construction projects! https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-PNyNQJ6niws/U6j8yxB_dnI/Edw/GOffVu4UqFo/s1600/DSC_3910.jpg My Saluki and my dog (named Knish) at the platform that will eventually hold a shed and covered deck combo. https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-eIiZnkE0zQA/U6j9EUrcpsI/Ed4/MVw7CKr891Y/s1600/DSC_3937.jpg On the way out I walked the bike, rolling it on the edges of this morass... what a mess. On the way back I carried the bike as best I could which worked better. The mud was so thick and has alot of clay so it really sticks good. https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-l8Kl0K5wlpQ/U6j9XzVEAPI/EeA/fFjwDJTPbjM/s1600/DSC_3940.jpg The mud eventually jammed up the fenders and brakes as you can see a bit here. I need Riv to make a lugged, long-tail, fat/mid-fat tired bike that can haul outdoor tools and some firewood! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Jamboree and Entmoot shirts and patches
I purchased through etsy. Wish I could be there! On Friday, June 27, 2014 10:23:29 AM UTC-4, Marc Irwin wrote: are we able to order through Etsy now if we are not able to attend? Marc On Saturday, June 21, 2014 5:48:35 PM UTC-4, Philip Williamson wrote: I saw the sample patch this morning; it looks good. I'm revising the artwork today for more graceful stems and cranks. I'm very excited about it. More here: http://www.biketinker.com/2014/fine-bikes/entmoot-patches/ Order here: https://www.etsy.com/listing/193291873/entmoot-patch I got the sample shirt blanks yesterday, and am very pleased with them, too. They are definitely white, but not bleached or optically whitened. Order here: http://etsy.me/1xM6K5o Preorders will continue through this weekend, then the choice will switch to a fixed number of orange shirts. Still on target to make 50 shirts and 50 patches. I got some test bandanas, but I'm not sure if that's going to come together, since I'd need new screens made for a larger design. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: s24o Packing list
I need a Manny in my area. Can you order one through Riv? or is it one of those products that are always undergoing testing (like the HAR and its bags)? On Friday, June 27, 2014 12:53:54 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote: I have it pretty good. My S24O strategy is basically: 1. Live life 2. Wait for text from Manny 3. Text from Manny arrives 4. Pack up and head out My son doesn't even ask me can we do an overnighter?. He asks have you heard from Manny? On Friday, June 27, 2014 9:45:12 AM UTC-7, Edwin W wrote: On your 10th S24O you'll be so dialed that you'll be watching the news at home on the sofa, and you'll say Screw this, I'm going on an overnighter and in 20 minutes you'll be on the road. A man can dream! Anne - bug spray is a must in TN, that's for sure. Good start, thanks! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Advice: crank arms less than 165mm
daVinci Designs has a nice looking crank with 110/74 spider available (i.e., you can transfer your XD2 chainrings to it). IIRC, it's made by White Industries, and some on this list ride it. (Maybe they can chime in?) It has crank arms from 150mm to 200mm (~$220-- but I'm not sure if I'm reading their site correctly). http://www.davincitandems.com/comp.html On Tuesday, July 1, 2014 2:47:43 PM UTC-4, WETH wrote: My wife who is 5'3 with a PBH of 74 develops knee pain during rides longer than 10 miles. As she has been easing into cycling over the last year, she rides exclusively in her small chainring (24) on her Sugino XD2 triple 46-36-24 with 165mm crankarms. The pain is in front in her kneecaps. I am going to be raising her seat slightly and pushing her saddle slightly back to see if that helps. I am also considering shorter crank arms given her relatively short legs compared to torso. Does anyone have experiences with shorter crank arms, especially folks in my wife's height range? Also thoughts on good crank sets with shorter crank arms? I was thinking of trying 155mm crank arms if adjusting seat height didn't alleviate the issue. Can I put non-Sugino crank arms on a Xd2? Thanks for any insights, Erl -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: HAR!!
Been saving up for these, and ordered my set. They'll come in handy with the Burley Piccolo trail-a-bike, which doesn't work with my saddlesack when kid hauling. I thought there was going to-be a hoop? (IIRC, a Blug post on it a prototype being ugly, but then it was not necessary... but perhaps holding it up from public release..) No matter-- I think it looks nice, and is well thought. On Thursday, July 3, 2014 2:43:05 PM UTC-4, dougP wrote: Very classy. The bags look well thought out, especially the rack attachment. The pocket idea is clever, and being able to use any old strap for the top gets away from proprietary clips. dougP On Thursday, July 3, 2014 11:32:33 AM UTC-7, Peter M wrote: http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/rmf2.htm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Anyone using a Saddlesack on a porteur rack?
Stonehog/Brian Hanson has a saddlesack on a porteur rack (Pass-n-Stow rack, I think): https://www.flickr.com/photos/stonehog/10339803905/in/set-72157636675892804 On Monday, July 7, 2014 8:32:39 AM UTC-4, SJB wrote: I've been looking for the right bag to mount to my VO porteur rack and haven't found it yet. Last night I had the idea that a Riv saddlesack might just fit my needs. Has anyone used a saddle sack as a front bag? A medium saddlesack pretty much has the same footprint as my VO rack. I'm thinking if I secure it from the bottom with zip ties it will be pretty secure. Any thoughts? Steve Tucson PS- and if anyone in Tucson has a medium saddlesack, I'd love a chance to meet up so I can see how the bags looks in real life. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Jamboree and Entmoot shirts and patches
Got mine in MA. Will join you all in spirit. Of course, Eunice out did miPhone-ography with that yummy-looking donut thing. Here's my sage shirt+patch (which is super nice, BTW) https://www.flickr.com/photos/stakx/14593568546/ happy riding! Shoji On Thursday, July 10, 2014 7:56:24 AM UTC-4, Eunice Chang wrote: Got mine. They're lovely. That was speedy, thanks! proof it happened: https://www.flickr.com/photos/ejchang/14619038475/ -E. On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 1:19 AM, Philip Williamson philip.w...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Please tell me people are receiving their patches and shirts... Should have been yesterday for CA folk. I had a sudden pang of what if no one gets their stuff??! Philip www.biketinker.com On Sunday, July 6, 2014 12:07:14 AM UTC-7, Philip Williamson wrote: All Virtual Attendees' patches and shirts are now sitting in the Post Office bin, waiting for 10am Monday to begin winging their ways across the country. Philip www.biketinker.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Ram versus Roadeo; trade?
I think the number of eyelets and braze ons are limited on the Roadeos because it is (1) purpose built as go fast and (2) weight! I'm guessing that the weight issue was an important target for Grant/Riv: sub-20# steel bike. A full complement of frame braze ons can add a lot of weight (relatively speaking) to a light frame. Same goes for down tube shifter mounts (which were purposefully left off in order to use certain type of butted downtube). And the use of threadless stem compared to quill. The chain stay fender mount: yes, it is not optimal (from a fender installation point), but a long-ish spacer solves that problem. IIRC, the bottom bracket shell is not a Riv-bottom bracket. A different one was selected to use a particular seat tube. (I could just be making this up, so anyone with real info please speak up.) Anyway: I'm pretty sure this isn't the first Roadeo having added braze ons. IIRC, someone had seat stay rack mount added, and Grant/Riv has written about putting downtube shifter mounts on Roadeos. If you're in the market for it, you should have that conversation with them-- I think they're quite accommodating (but there might be another bike that's better suited for your intended purpose). Happy riding! Shoji On Thursday, July 10, 2014 11:09:21 AM UTC-4, lungimsam wrote: Actually I don't see why they don't do eyelets a plenty on Roadeos for maximum options on a fast bike. I don't think it defeats the purpose for light commuters, Randonneurs, or roadies. What I don't get it the placement of the chain stay eyelet for rear fender. How do you fender that? Seems so far away from the tire, and in the tightest area if the stays, so looks like the fender won't fit between the status there? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Jamboree and Entmoot shirts and patches
Harlequin workshop, sewing 'round a campfire, road trip/caravan, Manny-led tour, ferry rides, not just a Riv-versary, but two Riv-employee birthdays... You folks will have a great time. Looking forward to the pics. (*snifff*, wipes away tear from having to miss this one.) On Friday, July 11, 2014 1:21:00 PM UTC-4, Philip Williamson wrote: Cool! Thanks for reminding me - I need to get needles and thread for the Entmoot, so people can sew their patches on around the campfire! https://www.flickr.com/groups/entmoot2014/ Philip On Thursday, July 10, 2014 1:57:03 PM UTC-7, Marc Irwin wrote: I'm in Michigan, got my patch today, can't wait to glue it to my saddlebagf. It's like am virtually there! Marc On Thursday, July 10, 2014 1:19:30 AM UTC-4, Philip Williamson wrote: Please tell me people are receiving their patches and shirts... Should have been yesterday for CA folk. I had a sudden pang of what if no one gets their stuff??! Philip www.biketinker.com On Sunday, July 6, 2014 12:07:14 AM UTC-7, Philip Williamson wrote: All Virtual Attendees' patches and shirts are now sitting in the Post Office bin, waiting for 10am Monday to begin winging their ways across the country. Philip www.biketinker.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Schwalbe Big Ben opinions
Hi Michael, I have Big Bens (measure 52mm) and Compass (measure 44-ish) for my Hunqapillar. The Big Bens are a wonderful tire. Fast on the streets with little noise, and great float on the trails. (Going over roots at low pressure-- you won't even know they're there!) After reading all the great things about the Compass-- they're true! The Compass 26 are very fast on the roads. I'm probably shifting up 2+ gears on the same streets compared to Big Bens (which I don't think are slow). It's like riding with a tailwind. I don't have much trail experience with the Compass. Some short stints haven't shown any downside. Here's the thing: the Compass are a lot narrower than I'd like. I did pinch flat it. (I was pushing the bounds, and I'm used to the Big Bens...) If only the Compass was offered in 2 version! If I were doing a road tour on my Hunqapillar, I'd choose the Compass. If I were doing a mixed terrain, I'd choose the Big Bens. (The extra width is worth it for me.) When I'm pulling my kids, I prefer the Big Bens. Good luck! Shoji On Friday, July 11, 2014 6:53:04 PM UTC-4, Michael Ullmer wrote: Does anyone have any experience using Schwalbe Big Bens? I am building up an old Schwinn Paramount PDG 90 Riv style and want to have a wide tire that is a cross between knobby and slick, something I can go offroad with but also ride to that offroad location on the street without being too slow. Has anyone used them in that past? Are there any other great tires I should consider in roughly this width I should consider? How do Big Ben's compare to the ride quality of a Compass tire? The widest mtb tire that Compass offers is 1.75, compared to the 2.15 of the Big Ben. Further, does anyone happen to have a pair of these they want to unload? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Sign I need 1/8 Chain vs. 8-speed?
Hi Patrick, Once you've got the right length set for the bike, it's easy to cut a new chain to size. Just hang 'em side by side. The old one (that was the right length) will be a little longer due to stretch, but you should be able to figure out where to cut the new chain. Watch those toes! Shoji On Tuesday, July 15, 2014 7:46:38 AM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote: I use the master link. It's 8-speed chain. Of course, being a single speed chain, I shortened it. I do not recall if I shortened it too much and presume I did as part of my learning curve and so added length back in. No doubt that is where the error occurred, and if so, what makes 1/8 chain attractive. My current fix involved replacing the bent link, so the same issue could well be waiting my arrive in the future. Sardonic grin. With abandon, Patrick On Monday, July 14, 2014 11:59:04 PM UTC-6, Philip Williamson wrote: Did you reconnect the chain with a master link, or a chain tool? I learned the hard way that you need to use the link on a nine speed chain. The tolerances are too tight to just smash a pin back in with the tool. Everybody here knew that already... Philip www.biketinker.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Virtual Entmoot Ride Reports
Yes-- thanks, Amit, for the pics and write up! On Tuesday, July 15, 2014 12:36:47 PM UTC-4, Pudge wrote: Well, I was already sad about missing the event. Imagine how I feel now! ore reason (reasons, plural!) to make it an annual event. It does sound “magical” – an appropriate term for an Entmoot. *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript: [mailto: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:] *On Behalf Of *Amit Singh *Sent:* Tuesday, July 15, 2014 12:25 PM *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript: *Subject:* [RBW] Re: Virtual Entmoot Ride Reports Hello! Pictures from part of my experience at the Entmoot here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/amisingh/sets/72157645286922999/ With all the beautiful scenery, bicycles and people in attendance it felt like a sacred magical lugged steel ground. There was a lot of love in one place that night. Some of my favorite memories not captured in pictures were Grant and I talking yogurt and him also looking for a buckeye tree in the deep wood to make a slingshot, Manny walking around camp in and riding a bike in his red onesie and also the glee on people's faces when they realized they were secretly pocket-pooh'd in the night, listening to Rich's explaining to me what wife is like (she sounds wonderful to have stopped Rich in his tracks and I hope to meet her!), getting bear-hugged from Esteban and listening to what he learned from his retreat on the east-coast, seeing the giant man ABCycleHank and his telling me that he was upset for not making the trip to Detroit before I moved to the west coast (October, let's do a 200k brevet back in the D!), meeting Jim Edgar with his big smile and open arms, listening to how Philip's son has changed from making super-animated and expressive stick-figures to a more accomplished 13-year old artist and video game pro, seeing Beth ride past the boys on her Betty flying up and down the hills, talking with Andy about why more people like us don't exist and how lucky we are to be riding bikes together, talking with Aaron about raising his 4 children and working at the same time and the sacrifices that need to be made to do it the right way, getting bear hugged again from the entire So-Cal crew (Hugh, especially), being reunited with my dear friend Dustin and hearing about is success and positive trajectory, meeting Jenny and explaining to her what the word lacchak means in Punjabi and why her bicycle has it, meeting Toshi and listening to what his experiences of riding 600k brevets are like, seeing the delightful couple Scott and Elizabeth and talking with them about riding bicycles at Folsom lake and vegetarian recipes, Manny saving our butts from getting shot by the park ranger for riding trails by the supermoon light and finally seeing a huge number of Rivendell lovers from across the country in one place. It was a magical weekend indeed. On Saturday, 12 July 2014 16:12:14 UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote: In addition, if you've posted your photos to Flickr, add them to the Virtual Entmoot Group: https://www.flickr.com/groups/entmoot2014/ We've got some great photos already popping up in there! With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-own...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send
[RBW] Re: Cover of Bicycle Times Magazine
I don't think they're bullmoose. Here's a pic from another angle: https://www.flickr.com/photos/cassgilbert/8645418341/in/set-72157633238653348 Maybe priest-like bars? http://boxdogbikes-3.myshopify.com/products/handlebar-atb-nitto-jitensha-b2522-26-1 BTW: I love that a Hunqapillar is on the cover (in the wild!), and that photo is awesome. --shoji On Wednesday, July 23, 2014 8:18:42 PM UTC-4, Chris in Redding, Ca. wrote: The bend just doesn't look like Bullmoose to me. Maybe I'm wrong. Chris On Wednesday, July 23, 2014 4:01:26 PM UTC-7, Mike Schiller wrote: They are bullmoose bars. ~mike On Wednesday, July 23, 2014 7:52:36 AM UTC-7, Chris in Redding, Ca. wrote: Hey All, Anyone know anything about the build specs of the Mr. Gray's Hunq? I'm curious in general, but specifically about the bars. Thanks, Chris Redding, Ca. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: MUSA Shorts
Hi Mike, I'm a 30, and I think the smalls are fine for me (but on the waist it's on the tighter side of fit). I like them, but the pockets ride out of the bottom at times when I ride. Not the end of the world, but I don't have this problem with other shorts. I think the knickers are my favorite. (I have them all.) On Friday, July 25, 2014 12:43:37 PM UTC-4, Michael Ullmer wrote: Does anyone have any input on the fit of these? I'm normally a 32 and was hoping that a small would fit great. Any long-term reviews of these? Does anyone have a pair of smalls they aren't wearing anymore? I was hoping to pick up a pair on the web specials part of the riv website, but they're apparently out of smalls and I can't justify $60 for a pair of shorts. Thanks all! Mike Seattle -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Sunrise Coffee Club Tomorrow @ Pirate/Punk Rock
I thought I recognized you in one of the pics! On Wednesday, August 6, 2014 4:11:55 PM UTC-4, Pondero wrote: I finally made one of these...all the way from Texas. Thanks, Chris, Eric, and Andy for making a business trip a lot more fun! Chris Johnson Sanger, Texas -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Paul brakes, redux - Motolite clearance?
Hi Jay, Perhaps you have too much mechanical advantage? Are your brake levers bottoming out on the handlebars? If so, you might want to try a long straddle cable. Deacon Patrick runs a headtube-length straddle cable on his Quickbeam. (With what looks like CR720, same style as Neo Retros.) https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/14506250495/ I've run CR720s and Shimano CX70s (narrow) on my Hunqapillar. I run the CX70s with a low straddle cable, and lots of stopping power. (Haven't switched to Koolstop pads, either. The Shimano OEM pads are surprisingly good.) Good luck, shoji On Sunday, August 10, 2014 9:11:53 PM UTC-4, Jay Lonner wrote: I have Neo-Retros on my Hunq, and after much fiddling and consulting of Sheldon Brown's canti articles I have concluded that I can't get the straddle cable low enough to overcome the brakes' inherent low mechanical advantage. I live on top of a steep hill, in a wet climate, so this situation will not stand, man. Now that I'm all educated about cantilever theory and practice, I'm thinking of ditching them entirely and switching to linear pull brakes, specifically Motolites. My concern is fender clearance. I'm running Big Ben 50s and SKS fenders. Does anyone have experience running a similar setup, and if so how is it working out? I know that Tektro makes a linear pull brake with extra-long arms for more clearance, but I'd prefer to go with Motolites because of a) sex appeal, and b) made in USA, etc. Thanks, Jay Lonner Bellingham, WA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Modifying a Mark's rack
Hi Bill, Jeremy Spencer did this on his AHH (but not the double-struts): https://www.flickr.com/photos/kaptainamerika/4464220134/in/set-72157612913410038 And yes to the metal fenders. IIRC, some listers have done something similar with front racks bolting to metal fenders and using a metal bridge (hack saw blade?) below the fender-- and attaching to daruma-- for support. On Sunday, August 10, 2014 6:58:05 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote: I think it's a neat idea. I have Mark's rack on two bikes, and will let you know if I try it. If you run double-struts (which I highly recommend), then the cleanest setup would be no diving board at all. With double struts, all the load is supported by the triangle, so the only thing you need to prevent is rotation around the mid fork braze on. Bolt directly to the fender to prevent rotation, and Bob's your uncle. Metal fenders would be highly recommended in that case. On Sunday, August 10, 2014 5:52:32 AM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote: Has anyone straightened the tang on a mark's rack and mounted it under the crown instead of over the brake. This would put it closer to the fender and facilitate using one of the adjustment screw holes to attach to the front fender. How did it go? Michael -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Paul brakes, redux - Motolite clearance?
Which Shimano brakes? The CX70s (cantilevers, which Riv sells) use regular levers. I have them on my Hunqapillar, and they are terrific. On Monday, August 11, 2014 10:15:29 AM UTC-4, AaronY wrote: Was just reading on the Shimanos. Looks like the recent versions require long pull levers. Can anyone confirm this from experience? What I would like to hear is that the brakes will work with regular road levers without any extra hardware. Thanks, Aaron Young The Dalles, OR On Monday, August 11, 2014, Shoji Takahashi shoji.t...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Hi Jay, Perhaps you have too much mechanical advantage? Are your brake levers bottoming out on the handlebars? If so, you might want to try a long straddle cable. Deacon Patrick runs a headtube-length straddle cable on his Quickbeam. (With what looks like CR720, same style as Neo Retros.) https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/14506250495/ I've run CR720s and Shimano CX70s (narrow) on my Hunqapillar. I run the CX70s with a low straddle cable, and lots of stopping power. (Haven't switched to Koolstop pads, either. The Shimano OEM pads are surprisingly good.) Good luck, shoji On Sunday, August 10, 2014 9:11:53 PM UTC-4, Jay Lonner wrote: I have Neo-Retros on my Hunq, and after much fiddling and consulting of Sheldon Brown's canti articles I have concluded that I can't get the straddle cable low enough to overcome the brakes' inherent low mechanical advantage. I live on top of a steep hill, in a wet climate, so this situation will not stand, man. Now that I'm all educated about cantilever theory and practice, I'm thinking of ditching them entirely and switching to linear pull brakes, specifically Motolites. My concern is fender clearance. I'm running Big Ben 50s and SKS fenders. Does anyone have experience running a similar setup, and if so how is it working out? I know that Tektro makes a linear pull brake with extra-long arms for more clearance, but I'd prefer to go with Motolites because of a) sex appeal, and b) made in USA, etc. Thanks, Jay Lonner Bellingham, WA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Atlantis 3-day 'endurance tour' report
Thanks for that, Mark. Great pics and text. I really enjoyed it. Love the Atlantis and how it's turned out for you. shoji On Friday, August 22, 2014 10:45:57 AM UTC-4, Mark Reimer wrote: Last weekend I participated in an event put on by a local endurance cycling club called Operacion Muerto. The task was pretty simple: ride to a pre-determined set of checkpoints as fast as you can. The checkpoints were in and around Riding Mountain National Park in Manitoba, and mostly comprised of ranger stations, back country campsites, and a few trail heads. I teamed up with my buddy Graham and we decided to throw out the 'as fast as you can' part of the event and treat the ride as an extended weekend tour, rather than a race. In the end we rode some long days on trails - 180km, 132km and 110km, but it was all done slowly and comfortably, with many stops to enjoy a quick swim, sip on some bourbon, smell the flowers, etc. My write up is pretty long and there are a ton of photos, so I think the easiest way to check it out would be to visit the original ride report http://operacionmuerto.wordpress.com/2014/08/21/mark-reimer-summer-2014/ *Direct link: http://operacionmuerto.wordpress.com/2014/08/21/mark-reimer-summer-2014/ http://operacionmuerto.wordpress.com/2014/08/21/mark-reimer-summer-2014/* The Atlantis was the perfect steed for this event. I put 2.1 Nano's on earlier and they rolled fast on the gravel roads, and with reduced pressure soaked up the roots and rocks on the single track. I love this bike. I also took a leap of faith and rode the whole thing without bib shorts, which normally isn't a big deal, but 420km of trails is a lot of bashing down there. My B17 Special combined with merino wool underwear and some loose-ish synthetic shorts kept me DRY and comfortable, despite temperatures rising to 37C at times. Only equipment semi-failure was my Bagman Expedition rack for the Carradice Camper Longflap. I didn't have more than maybe ten or fifteen pounds in the bag - ultralight tent, tube, rain jacket, shirt and 2L of water. But when I got back and removed the bag, I noticed all the bouncing around had actually bent the rack a fair bit. It still works just fine, but the bag sits about 1cm lower now. All in all not a huge deal. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Toddlers, Kids, Urban Transport, and your Riv
Hi Everyone: Some nice kid-hauling set ups! I have my Hunqapillar set up for kid hauling (2-yo and 4-yo). Yepp Mini front seat (which I highly recommend) on albatross hbars; Burley Piccolo trail-a-bike (has its own dedicated rear rack). I also have a Burley D'Lite trailer. (I'm also an h-bar swapper... but that's a different thread.) I skipped the rear bike seat (I would have chosen the Yepp Maxi) and jumped to the trail-a-bike. (Note: I had and have a 2-child trailer already in the shed. Having it made it easier for me to forgo the rear bike seat, as I could use the 2-child trailer if/when necessary.) My son was ready for the trail-a-bike at ~3.5 yo. I could trust him to hold on and communicate, though I was extra cautious and kept an eye on him with the Riv-German mirror. I've heard of children getting sleepy while on trail-a-bikes, so I haven't taken him on long excursions on it. Initially, the saddle height couldn't be lowered enough for him to pedal, so I zipped tied the crank to the chain stay to create a platform for him to stand. I take him to school on the trail-a-bike. Of course, it's compatible with the front Yepp Mini, which I sometimes have my 2-yo. You'll have to give up your Saddlesack when using the Piccolo, but no big deal. It goes on/off quite easily. If necessary, you can attach certain panniers to the Piccolo rack while pulling the trail-a-bike. I picked up the HAR/HAB for family picnics. (Works great.) Some pics: https://www.flickr.com/photos/stakx/13999203980/in/set-72157643709359733 https://www.flickr.com/photos/stakx/14374522134/ And the family on the virtual Enmoot: https://www.flickr.com/photos/stakx/14665658393/in/set-72157643709359733 2-child trailer: It's nice for hauling kids and toys to the park or around places. I prefer having them on the Yepp or Piccolo, but it's convenient and stable. I'm not sure how much longer my 4yo will be able to fit into it with his sister. https://www.flickr.com/photos/stakx/14235538308/ On Saturday, August 23, 2014 3:04:28 PM UTC-4, Jay B wrote: howdy folks, We’ve been super happy with the Bobike Mini front child carrier for toting around our nearly 2 year old for the last year. Combined with a large rear saddlesack and front basket on the Bleriot, Betty, or Quickbeam, we’ve got our daily urban transport needs just about covered (we just moved to Houston, and while it’s not nearly as bike-friendly as Denver, it’s proved surprisingly bike-able for our needs). Our little guy is approaching the 33 lb suggested weight limit for the Bobike, but more concerning to me is that his shoulders are now several inches above the top of the backrest of the carrier and the shoulder straps tend to work their way off his shoulders. So, I’ve been pondering our next step. I’ve considered getting a Yepp Maxi (or similar rear child carrier), and while it would work great with my wife’s Betty, I think I might get tired of throwing my leg over my already high (for me) top tubes. And I would have a hard time giving up my much used and loved large rear saddlesack. I’ve considered getting a Cheviot and setting it up similar to RBW employee Keven’s that was spotlighted on the Blug, especially if I could fit Big Bens and fenders on it (I’ve yet to reach out to Keven to see how that setup is going). I have an Xtracycle that would also work with the Yepp Maxi, but I was really hoping to let that bike go as we really don’t use it often enough. I feel I have reached the useful limit of my theoretical ponderings on the matter and could really use some real world feedback from those of you with experience. All shared knowledge and lessons learned are much appreciated! thanks, Jay B. Houston, TX -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Cockpit Swappers Anonymous
Another h-bar swapper here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/stakx/sets/72157644332271299/ - 48cm Noodles on 10cm Nitto Lugged Stem - Albatross on 12cm Tallux Stem - Moustache (classic) on 7cm Technomic Stem - Bullmoose (not Bosco) I have them set up for my Hunqapillar with DaVinci derailler cable splitters. They each have their own brake straddle hanger (F+R) and cable stops. I have one set of bar-end shifters to swap between the Noodles and Moustache; and one set of thumbies to swap between Albatross and Bullmoose. If one-h-bar ruled them all, it would be the Noodles. I like the looks (drop-bar mountain bikes look great IMHO), the number and variety of hand positions is welcome on short and long rides. Having them on a threaded steerer is an added bonus. If I'm feeling a little off, I can easily raise it a few cms for a more comfortable position. (I usually run them with tops ~saddle height, and I use the drops+hooks/ramps/hoods ~40/40/20.) I have the albas for running my Yepp Mini front child seat. I like the albas, but I don't love them. I'd like a bit more racy position, and I think my bike might be sized a little too small for me with these bars. The moustache is comfy and looks great. There's terrific control for single track. Two disadv/dislikes-- I like a drop position when the headwinds are strong, and it interferes with the basket/shopsack I have on front rack. Bullmoose is a beautiful bar with terrific control. It is comfortable for my short 6-mile commute. It's a bit too wide for navigating the traffic, though. These are limited to short distance rides or off-road trails. I'll put them on for friends who would otherwise be intimidated by Noodles/Moustache. My SO really likes these bars. RE: Surly-- to provide my experience to Steve P.'s question: I have a Crosscheck, and my experience is similar to Avery's. The Hunqapillar, despite being much heavier (by lifting it, I haven't weighed it on a scale), is significantly faster. It feels like it wants to go, whereas I feel like I'm riding into a perpetual headwind on the CC. (CC w/JB Greens; Hunqapillar w/Big Bens. Hunqapillar w/Compass 26x1.75 is noticeably faster.) As Patrick M. has written, the Riv has a unique turn-in feel that's confidence inspiring. It's responsive but not twitchy. By contrast, the CC has lots of flop. shoji On Monday, August 25, 2014 11:20:57 AM UTC-4, Takashi wrote: Hi Avery I am happy to see another cockpit swapper! I swap handlebars very often. Noodle on Dirt Drop 8cm stem https://www.flickr.com/photos/77318553@N08/14130158365/ Albatross on Nitto Technomic 10cm stem, with Dia Compe hand rests https://www.flickr.com/photos/77318553@N08/8160613734/ Bullmoose, with Dia Compe hand rests https://www.flickr.com/photos/77318553@N08/8626592972/ Bosco on Nitto Technomic 13cm stem, with Dia Compe hand rests https://www.flickr.com/photos/77318553@N08/14771364047/ Like you, I think that drop bar looks best, and climbing is easiest with drop bar. Adding Dia Compe hand rests on other three types makes climbing much easier though. I think Boscos look best when on bikes with fatter tires. BOM by Brian https://www.rivbike.com/product-p/staff18.htm on Riv website looks awesome. On longer rides, Albas and Boscos are not as comfortable as I have expected. Not only my buttocks become sore, but also my hands become numb. It's somewhat surprising, since I have expected that being upright takes stresses away from my hands. I still like both of them because riding upright allows me to look at sceneries more. Also, descending not-so-bumpy roads is more fun with upright bars. Bullmoose is much comfortable than I assumed. I bought it for relatively short, rough-terrain rides. I haven't done really long rides with it, but I think I can do them. Takashi 2014年8月25日月曜日 4時44分58秒 UTC+9 Avery Wilson: Hello, my name is Avery and I'm a cockpit swapper.. I know there's many more just like me, so I'm just looking for camaraderie, justification, etc! I've tried Noodles with a 10cm stem, dirt drop stem, and now an 8cm stem, as well as albastache and albatross with varying stem lengths. I've never been happier than when I've had albatross bars with a 12cm stem on my 61cm Hilsen (see picture here https://www.flickr.com/photos/122008974@N05/15023102785/in/photostream/), but I swapped back to drops this afternoon because it just *seems right* for this bike to have drops. Am I vain? Am I living in my racer past? I can hold 18mph on flat land for 20+miles with a load in my bag while riding my albatross bars, so its not really extra speed I'm going for. I don't know what it is that keeps drawing me back to drops. Maybe its visual, or aesthetic? I'm just not sure. Comments from other serial cockpit swappers appreciated! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To
Re: [RBW] Re: Cockpit Swappers Anonymous
Hi Avery, Here's the Riv video on setting up Nitto Noodles and Shimano brake levers: http://youtu.be/oEUm3VzF_Z0 I think the rubber hoods on the Shimano levers and the shape of the Noodles are particularly well matched. There's a smooth transition from the ramps to the hoods. I have the Tektros (cheaper kind than the nice drilliums you have), and the shape of the hood doesn't quite get you the transition that Shimano levers can achieve. I've tried to move the lever further up the bend, but then I can't reach the lever from the hooks. I'm probably guilty of offending Bill, too. https://www.flickr.com/photos/stakx/13000307513/in/set-72157644332271299 How's it feel to you? Do you ride on the ramps? Hoods? Hooks? shoji On Tuesday, August 26, 2014 4:28:46 PM UTC-4, Avery Wilson wrote: https://flic.kr/p/oVzM7q Bill, is this better? I couldn't find the video you mentioned, but I found a description on rbw of how to set them up. Please give all the constructive advice you can! I want to have a properly set up drop bar bike to give drops the chance they deserve. Thanks Avery On Aug 26, 2014 3:25 AM, Jim Bronson jim.b...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Awesome fleet. Best I have seen anywhere pretty much. On Aug 25, 2014 11:29 PM, rob markwardt robm...@hotmail.com javascript: wrote: Give me drop bars or give me wrist/ass pain!! Didn't Abe Lincoln say that? Anyway...not a swapper here. The bars on my Bleriot have been there for close to eight years. I had a couple of upright bikes previously and there were fine for cruising around town but when it comes to putting in any mileage I need to get low. Sitting upright my wrist and butt start to complain. My fleet is all drops except for an early mountain bike that doesn't get much usage. Whatever works for you though. My bikes... https://www.flickr.com/photos/77502424@N00/sets/72157606340462594/ On Sunday, August 24, 2014 12:44:58 PM UTC-7, Avery Wilson wrote: Hello, my name is Avery and I'm a cockpit swapper.. I know there's many more just like me, so I'm just looking for camaraderie, justification, etc! I've tried Noodles with a 10cm stem, dirt drop stem, and now an 8cm stem, as well as albastache and albatross with varying stem lengths. I've never been happier than when I've had albatross bars with a 12cm stem on my 61cm Hilsen (see picture here https://www.flickr.com/photos/122008974@N05/15023102785/in/photostream/), but I swapped back to drops this afternoon because it just *seems right* for this bike to have drops. Am I vain? Am I living in my racer past? I can hold 18mph on flat land for 20+miles with a load in my bag while riding my albatross bars, so its not really extra speed I'm going for. I don't know what it is that keeps drawing me back to drops. Maybe its visual, or aesthetic? I'm just not sure. Comments from other serial cockpit swappers appreciated! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/sCXDQxKpkIU/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Toddlers, Kids, Urban Transport, and your Riv
Hi Jay, It's a 48cm Hunqapillar, which is designed around 26/559BSD wheels. My PBH is just under 81, SH is 69-70 for road (low end w/Thin Gripsters, high end w/GKs). The largest tires I have are Big Bens, which measure ~52mm, IIRC. There is room for wider tires w/o fenders. I've heard that many panniers will work fine with the Piccolo. The potential problem is that the rails are somewhat thicker than other racks. That could be a problem for certain pannier mounts. I have a Detour bag which has long arms that will drop down easily, but it's a no-fuss system. RE: trailer stability-- I've tipped mine riding off road. It was a narrower section, and I got the trailer wheel on a medium-sized rock which rolled the trailer. The kids were fine hanging sideways being held by the seat-belt restraints. Best, shoji On Wednesday, August 27, 2014 11:47:04 AM UTC-4, Jay B wrote: Hi Shoji, Thanks for all your helpful feedback and pics. What size is your Hunqapillar? Do you recall your PBH or saddle height? I like your fat tire/fender combos. What is the largest tire you've used? We have a trailer https://www.flickr.com/photos/jayburkhalter/5582451022/in/set-72157626412272070 right now, but it is set up for dog hauling. I love how the Cycletote tracks and rides, but we haven't ordered the kid attachments for it. Your HAR/HAB setup along with basket and saddlesack is really sharp! Just what I would use for overnights. Do you know what rear panniers play well with the Piccolo rack? -Jay On Monday, August 25, 2014 10:49:51 AM UTC-5, Shoji Takahashi wrote: Hi Everyone: Some nice kid-hauling set ups! I have my Hunqapillar set up for kid hauling (2-yo and 4-yo). Yepp Mini front seat (which I highly recommend) on albatross hbars; Burley Piccolo trail-a-bike (has its own dedicated rear rack). I also have a Burley D'Lite trailer. (I'm also an h-bar swapper... but that's a different thread.) I skipped the rear bike seat (I would have chosen the Yepp Maxi) and jumped to the trail-a-bike. (Note: I had and have a 2-child trailer already in the shed. Having it made it easier for me to forgo the rear bike seat, as I could use the 2-child trailer if/when necessary.) My son was ready for the trail-a-bike at ~3.5 yo. I could trust him to hold on and communicate, though I was extra cautious and kept an eye on him with the Riv-German mirror. I've heard of children getting sleepy while on trail-a-bikes, so I haven't taken him on long excursions on it. Initially, the saddle height couldn't be lowered enough for him to pedal, so I zipped tied the crank to the chain stay to create a platform for him to stand. I take him to school on the trail-a-bike. Of course, it's compatible with the front Yepp Mini, which I sometimes have my 2-yo. You'll have to give up your Saddlesack when using the Piccolo, but no big deal. It goes on/off quite easily. If necessary, you can attach certain panniers to the Piccolo rack while pulling the trail-a-bike. I picked up the HAR/HAB for family picnics. (Works great.) Some pics: https://www.flickr.com/photos/stakx/13999203980/in/set-72157643709359733 https://www.flickr.com/photos/stakx/14374522134/ And the family on the virtual Enmoot: https://www.flickr.com/photos/stakx/14665658393/in/set-72157643709359733 2-child trailer: It's nice for hauling kids and toys to the park or around places. I prefer having them on the Yepp or Piccolo, but it's convenient and stable. I'm not sure how much longer my 4yo will be able to fit into it with his sister. https://www.flickr.com/photos/stakx/14235538308/ On Saturday, August 23, 2014 3:04:28 PM UTC-4, Jay B wrote: howdy folks, We’ve been super happy with the Bobike Mini front child carrier for toting around our nearly 2 year old for the last year. Combined with a large rear saddlesack and front basket on the Bleriot, Betty, or Quickbeam, we’ve got our daily urban transport needs just about covered (we just moved to Houston, and while it’s not nearly as bike-friendly as Denver, it’s proved surprisingly bike-able for our needs). Our little guy is approaching the 33 lb suggested weight limit for the Bobike, but more concerning to me is that his shoulders are now several inches above the top of the backrest of the carrier and the shoulder straps tend to work their way off his shoulders. So, I’ve been pondering our next step. I’ve considered getting a Yepp Maxi (or similar rear child carrier), and while it would work great with my wife’s Betty, I think I might get tired of throwing my leg over my already high (for me) top tubes. And I would have a hard time giving up my much used and loved large rear saddlesack. I’ve considered getting a Cheviot and setting it up similar to RBW employee Keven’s that was spotlighted on the Blug, especially if I could fit Big Bens and fenders on it (I’ve yet to reach out to Keven to see how
Re: [RBW] Re: New to the group, New Hunqapillar on the way!
Hi Bryan, Congrats on the Hunqapillar! A terrific bike. Jim, If you're asking about the Hunqapillar in Austin, I think the shop is Mellow Johnny's. Here are some pics from TheRadavist: http://theradavist.com/2014/05/allans-hunqapillar-dirt-tourer/#1 shoji On Friday, September 5, 2014 1:24:35 PM UTC-4, Jim Bronson wrote: Which shop? I would like to go see it. -Jim On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 7:26 PM, Richard L. rsv...@att.net javascript: wrote: Welcome. I saw my first Hungapillar (single top tube} last week in Austin, Texas. The bike was owned by a local bike shop employee and was built up in classic Rivendell fashion, down tube friction shifters, etc. All Rivendell's have distinctive head badges, but I really liked the Hungapillar's head tube. You are getting a great bike! Congratulations. Richard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Keep the metal side up and the rubber side down! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: final test: help size up a hunq
Hi Bill, Does 26er or 29er matter to you? That might persuade you to go one way or the other. My PBH is a smidge under 81cm (~170cm tall or 5'7), and Riv recommends 48 or 51 for me. I went with 48cm-- plenty of stand-over clearance, which was important to me for off-road riding. Also, I wanted to run drop bars and/or moustache, so I went with the 48 for the shorter top tube (54.5 vs 57.5). (Works fine for me with ~10-cm stem for drops. I didn't want to use a stubby stem for drops.) I've tried albatross, too, and they're fine with a 12-cm stem. I probably need a slightly longer stem to improve the position. I also have bullmoose (not the bosco), and those are great for the trail. As is, I sometimes wish I could get them a little lower. Maybe that's something to consider if you're choosing between 51 or 54? Good luck, Shoji On Monday, September 8, 2014 2:56:44 PM UTC-4, Mobile Bill wrote: Ok, your comments on this site and Jared at Riv have just about talked me into dropping my money on a Hunquapillar rather than trying to resurrect the 650B Bombadil (may it ever RIP). But before I take the plunge, I'm wanting to think this sizing thing out more carefully. *Any of you with a 51 or 54 cm Hunq,* would you care to reveal your PBH, your height, your handlebar style and your comfort/satisfaction with the Hunq for the uses you are putting it to (would you specify briefly what those uses are?) (I used to claim my PBH was 83.5,which is about the mid-tube height of a 54 hunq with largest tires -- but using a hard metal ruler today, and trying again and again, I'm getting a pbh reading that looks more like 84-85. I am very comfortably fitted on a 58 cm Saluki with a thumb more than a fistful of seat tube showing. But this Hunq will be a hoppin' on and off rough jeep trail bike as well as a heavy load paved and gravel touring bike.) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: final test: help size up a hunq
Takashi has a beautifully built Hunqapillar and takes wonderful pictures. He's also a handlebar swapper, so it might give you a good look at various options. Here's his photostream: https://www.flickr.com/photos/77318553@N08/ On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 4:30:37 AM UTC-4, Takashi wrote: My PBH is 85cm, and I have 54cm Hunq. I am not in my house today; I can post some more details, along with pictures, a few days later. Takashi 2014年9月9日火曜日 3時56分44秒 UTC+9 Mobile Bill: Ok, your comments on this site and Jared at Riv have just about talked me into dropping my money on a Hunquapillar rather than trying to resurrect the 650B Bombadil (may it ever RIP). But before I take the plunge, I'm wanting to think this sizing thing out more carefully. *Any of you with a 51 or 54 cm Hunq,* would you care to reveal your PBH, your height, your handlebar style and your comfort/satisfaction with the Hunq for the uses you are putting it to (would you specify briefly what those uses are?) (I used to claim my PBH was 83.5,which is about the mid-tube height of a 54 hunq with largest tires -- but using a hard metal ruler today, and trying again and again, I'm getting a pbh reading that looks more like 84-85. I am very comfortably fitted on a 58 cm Saluki with a thumb more than a fistful of seat tube showing. But this Hunq will be a hoppin' on and off rough jeep trail bike as well as a heavy load paved and gravel touring bike.) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Albastache riders - all-day comfort?
There's an illustration of the overlay on the product description for the albastache (from Jean in Quebec): https://www.rivbike.com/product-p/hb3a.htm On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 1:24:15 PM UTC-4, BSWP wrote: Somewhere, maybe in the Blug?, I saw a view from straight above of an Albastache laid over a Moustache, but can't find it now. Does anyone know a link to that comparison? Thanks! - Andrew, Berkeley -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Stolen S. Hillborne reunited with owner
wow! Happy ending, and thanks to a great LBS. Did the thief cut the under-tube? On Thursday, September 11, 2014 8:33:30 AM UTC-4, Rusty Click wrote: My favorite LBS in Pittsburgh is *Thick Bikes *. This is not the first time they have played a key role in recognizing a stolen bike, and while it's up on the rack, notify local police to come and nab the perp! I go out of my way to use them as my LBS when my Sam needs some attention. *Way to Go, Thick Bikes!* Stolen Rivendell recovered at Thick Bikes when thieves try to sell it. stolen bike report: http://bikepgh.org/mb/topic/bikes-reported-stolen-2014/page/5/#post-301324 arrest photo: http://instagram.com/p/sx3E1CrKfu/ reunited: http://instagram.com/p/sx3OAyrKQH/ Rusty Click Pittsburgh, PA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Stolen S. Hillborne reunited with owner
You might want to add a cable lock. That's two locks instead of one without adding much weight or nuisance to lock up. (The cable laced through the wheels and locked with the U still means only one lock.) I've left heavier-duty U locks at the train station so that I'd have two U locks. One that I carry; one that's at the train station. Another thing to consider is parking/locking at different places. If a nice bike regularly appears at a certain space, it could become an easy target. (Thieves would bring the proper lock cutting equipment at the scheduled time.) shoji On Thursday, September 11, 2014 12:07:04 PM UTC-4, Andrew Marchant-Shapiro wrote: Granted, an angle grinder is going to win. But. I don't park on NY, Chicago, or LA city streets. I do park at a public rack on the New Haven campus where I teach a course. I have an Abus mini-U lock that I use frame-to-rack, backed with a heavy cable laced through both wheels and secured with the same lock. Can I reasonably do more than that? On Thursday, September 11, 2014 12:00:15 PM UTC-4, Jim M. wrote: On Thursday, September 11, 2014 7:46:54 AM UTC-7, Andrew Marchant-Shapiro wrote: Which raises an interesting question, since many of us use U-locks-and-cable approaches. Are there ways of locking up with a U-lock (preferrably a smallish one) that defeat most methods of defeating the things? Simple answer: No. An angle grinder will cut through any u-lock pretty quickly. You can see videos on youtube of how fast it is. I've seen a titanium lock -- Tigr IIRC -- that will delay an angle grinder longer, but still isn't uncuttable. It sounds like the recovered Sam had it's lock picked or else not latched completely. jim m wc ca -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Sam or Cheviot - what would you get for an all rounder?
Hi DS, Since you've got a Hunqapillar and a go-fast-ish, I also vote for the Cheviot. I'm also curious about the ride having those lng chain stays. You could wait for the Clem, Appaloosa, etc.,... but who knows when/if they'll be available. shoji On Thursday, September 18, 2014 3:57:43 PM UTC-4, DS wrote: While I patiently wait for a 54cm Quickbeam (ahemanyone?) to show up for sale one place or another, I'm starting to think about a Sam or Cheviot for an all rounder/commuter/child seat carrier/grocery run/dyno light and fenders/all weather/occasional road ride/s240 bike. I have a Hunqapillar that fits that bill now, but I think long term I'll leave the Hunq as a dedicated mtn bike and fix up a Sam or Cheviot as my city bike. I also have another fast-ish road bike but that doesn't and won't have any racks or fenders or lights. Or as another option, wait on these new bikes (Clem Smith and mystery bike). So, for all you Rivsters, if you were to buy a bike like that today, would you go Sam or Cheviot (since those are the lower priced models, they're the only thing on the radar). Or if you already have one for that purpose, would you stick with it or buy the other? (Personally, I'm leaning towards the Cheviot as having a step through in conjunction with a stem mounted child seat makes getting on and off the bike easier. But in a few years that won't matter, and these bikes are a buy it for life, or a long time anyway). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: SILVER crankset!!!!
A prototype is on the 50cm Cheviot Complete: http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/wsf106.htm It's 5-bolt (non-hidden bolt), looks 110/74 to me, which would go with S!LVER rings. Finish is certainly not final with the prototype. shoji On Tuesday, September 23, 2014 9:24:11 AM UTC-4, Garth wrote: I do believe it was 4-5 years ago that their own crank was coming . . . . . lol ! It'll be a 110/74 BCD crank though , it's simply the most versatile overall . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Microshift thumbies?
Hi Jim, If you're not too particular on looks, the SunRace thumbies sold by Riv work really well. Even includes housing and cables! http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/sh3.htm Good luck on the new set up! shoji On Wednesday, September 24, 2014 4:19:07 PM UTC-4, Jim Bronson wrote: Anyone tried these? http://www.ebikestop.com/microshift_doubletriple_9_speed_thumb_shifters_silver-LD0110.php The cost of setting up the Paul's thumbie adaptor and a new pair of D/A 9 speed shifters is pushing $200. The Microshifts look like a nice alternative. -- Keep the metal side up and the rubber side down! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Seat post clamp bolt snapped
Security bolt system for Rivs: you can use the M6 x22 security bolts (allen or torx). like the ones here: http://www.bicyclebolts.com/collections/security-allen-bolts On Monday, October 20, 2014 2:49:36 PM UTC-4, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: Slight thread hijack, but is there a security bolt system that works well with the recessed bolt/nut that fit Rivendells? Something like this: http://www.bicyclebolts.com/products/torx-security-seatpost-binder-bolt On Monday, October 13, 2014 8:47:14 AM UTC-7, DS wrote: I emailed brian @ riv who helped put this Hunq together, but while I wait for a response I thought I'd swing this by the RBW group since I'm generally not very mechanically inclined (I learn by you tube videos). 1. Been having major issues with seat post slippage on the Hunq. Every time I think I get the seat post clamp (which is part of the frame) as tight as I can get it, within 30 minutes of riding it has slipped a good inch, maybe more. I've never had this issue on a bike before, how do you address this? More grease or beeswax on the seat post? Different bolt? Quick release? Would having a medium sackville with all my camping gear be weighing it down more and causing this? 2. I stripped the seat post bolt (the one in the seat post clamp, not the saddle rails), so decided to take the whole bolt out and bring it to a LBS or hardware store to get a replacement one (it stripped just enough that i could no longer tighten it, but I could still loosen it). Upon turning it counter clockwise to get it out, the bolt head snapped right off. Now the rest of the bolt is stuck in the clamp (again, the clamp is part of the frame). So, how does one get the bolt out? Both ends are buried in the housing that is inside the clamp braze ons (is that the right terminogoy here? Is this something an LBS would have the tools to do? Or do I need to find a mechanic who knows how to drill a hole through the center of the bolt and extract it out that way? Is there an easier way? Anything to consider so I don't mess up the frame? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: These ones go to 11, again
I'm fine with front shifting. But if you're into these 1X+huge-range cassettes, take a look at Wolf Tooth's GC42. You will end up with 11-42 10-speed cassette. It looks like a fairly straightforward conversion of a 10-speed cassette. (Remove the existing 17T, and add the 42T.) Sure beats the 11-speed price. I'd bet the 42T lasts a long time. http://www.wolftoothcycling.com/collections/cassette-cogs With any of these kits, YMMV. (I do like the idea of Wolf Tooth and others narrow/wide chain rings. Too bad they're designed for 10-sp chains.) Here's a non-sponsored review: http://vikapproved.wordpress.com/2014/07/31/wolftooth-42t-cog-shimano-zee-derailleur/ On Wednesday, October 22, 2014 9:55:57 AM UTC-4, Jim Bronson wrote: No argument here about the outrageous price, Rivendell sells 9 speed 11-32's for $40 as well. I'd never pay $350 for a cassette, even if I suddenly became a multimillionaire. I'm not sure the OEMs should be encouraged to think any sort of market exists for $350 cassettes. I just think it would be neat if something like an 11-40 were available in a 'normal' price cassette. I would define that as $55 or under. Of course, at that price, it would probably weigh 500 grams, but hey a 1x drivetrain up front would save weight, right? On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 1:06 AM, 'Mojo' via RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript: wrote: Good Lord! $350 for an 11 speed cassette! If you scroll down, the price of the 10 speed cassette drops to a merely expensive $170. The 9 speed cassette drops non-linearly to $40. Following this ratio further, they should pay me to take their 8 speed cassettes. And I could retire if they gave me a 7 speed! On Tuesday, October 21, 2014 11:17:13 PM UTC-6, Jim Bronson wrote: http://www.jensonusa.com/Shimano-XTR-M9000/Shimano-XTR-CS-M9000-Cassette 11-40! May have to more seriously consider that 1x11 setup. Well ok maybe when they release a normal price version of this, that is. -- Keep the metal side up and the rubber side down! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Keep the metal side up and the rubber side down! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Splats question
Maybe some Shoe Goo or similar over the strap or other parts that are starting to wear? On Monday, October 20, 2014 8:33:57 PM UTC-4, Beth H wrote: I boug a pair of Splats when they first came out almost three years ago. I wear shoes without a raised heel -- usually Chrome Kursks because they-so comfortable. I have noticed that, even though I'm careful to remove the splats at my destination, I still am wearing out the strap that goes underneath my foot. Has anyone else experienced this? Is there a good fix that will keep me from having to buy another pair right away? I don't own an industrial sewing machine so lower-ech solutions are sought. I LOVE these and want to keep them going before buying replacements. Beth in pdx, where the rain has returned for the season -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Surly after Riv
Headbadge? The one on my crosscheck was a puffy sticker. (Nice quality sticker, but not a headbadge.) Headbadge and stickers were easy enough to remove. They're applied w/out top coat on the crosscheck, probably that way with other models, too. On Wednesday, October 22, 2014 9:52:53 PM UTC-4, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: Surly has an actual headbadge, that should mitigate their font choice some. On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 6:37 PM, Rod Holland rholla...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: I've got two. Dandy steel bikes, 10,000 happy miles on one of them. No roaches on mine. rod -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Cheers, David Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Wheel Stabilizer or no?
Sorry Cecily. You need two-- one on the front seat, the second to hold up the bikes. :) BTW: I have a VO wheel stabilizer on my crosscheck. Works fine. For my Hunqapillar, I pre-turn it. That way it doesn't flop the bike over. If I'm dealing with a heavy load (usually groceries), then I might bungie cord the wheel. (Irish strap works, too, but bungie is faster on/off.) shoji On Monday, November 3, 2014 7:30:48 PM UTC-5, Cecily Walker wrote: Oh, sure! I'll just grab my neighbor's kid and strap her to the front of the Betty Foy! :-D On Monday, November 3, 2014 3:17:04 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote: Perhaps more elaborate than you were initially thinking, this is an inspired solution from Shoji. Just be sure the kid has a wall beside them! https://www.flickr.com/photos/stakx/15357513879/in/pool-hunqapillar With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Is the Bleriot/Honjos/ Hetres clearance I have not enough?
1-2cm clearance all around sounds like plenty of room. Are you using new-ish tires? New tires seem a bit more tacky and can pick up pebbles and small rocks. After using them for a while, the rocks-in-fenders have diminished. On Tuesday, November 11, 2014 12:58:24 AM UTC-5, lungimsam wrote: Hello, I recently installed H50 Honjos on the Bleriot with my Hetres, as you may recall from an earlier post. I have between what looks like 1-2cm clearance all around. Tightest are under the sidepull brakes. That's the max I can get. Tires spin fine, no rubbing. No rattling. But on the two commutes I did this week, I repeatedly heard pebbles and rocks rattling through the fenders as I rode over them. Does this indicate that the clearances are not ample? Do I need to go to a narrower/smaller tire? I have SKS Longboards and Hetres on my Sam bike and I rarely hear rocks going through, though the clearances look similar to what I have on the Bleriot. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Compass Loup Loup 650b x 38 vertical height tire measurement needed, please.
I have a set of Loup Loup EL on Velocity Synergy (Schwalbe SV14 innertube). Great tires for my riding, even poorly maintained urban roads. I didn't change my inflation pressure, which is 30-40psi. I eyeballed it at 35mm with my mechanical calipers. Hope that helps, Shoji On Thursday, November 6, 2014 2:44:09 PM UTC-5, lungimsam wrote: Can anyone measure for me the vertical height measurement of your Loup Loup pass tires above your rim at their minimum inflation pressure as indicated on the tire's sidewall, whatever that is? So the distance the Loupys stand above the edge of the rim. I have the grand Bois rims, I think 23mm wide. But I guess any rim will give me an idea. I have Hetres on my fendered Bleriot but the clearance is minimal under the brake calipers and fenders, and wondering how much vertical clearance I will gain if I switch to the 38 Loup Loup tires. Thanks for taking the time to measure. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: New to me Atlantis
Congrats, Chris. Love the big-tire look. Atlantis is a beauty. On Saturday, November 22, 2014 4:05:00 PM UTC-5, Pondero wrote: After years of resisting a persistent Atlantis craving, I finally gave in and purchased one that included a little beausage. Since my partial build is now on hold waiting for more parts, there's nothing to do but share a couple of partial build photos...and try to replace impatience with eager anticipation... https://www.flickr.com/photos/28889177@N06/15853217122/in/photostream/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/28889177@N06/15828023196/in/photostream/ This acquisition rounds out my quiver. The Quickbeam primarily has city duty, the A. Homer Hilsen will see the most use on my typical weekend rural road rides, and the Atlantis will be for the occasional rough stuff bike. I can easily load up any of them for a picnic or an S24O. Just about perfect for me. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Hub Area Rack, new versus old?
I've got ver1 HAR+HUB. They've stayed on my Hunqapillar since I got them in July(?). I use them for grocery hauling, and holding picnic stuff and toys when I'm riding with kids. Solid w/o hoop. I'll let my inner weight weenie take pride in knowing that I'm saving a few unnecessary grams, though Bill has outdone me there. :) shoji On Tuesday, November 25, 2014 12:38:54 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote: Hi John I own a non-hoop HA Rack like you and I heard what you heard, that they planned to offer a retrofit hoop. The only extra detail that I know is that this design was driven by Mark. I bet the smartest info will come from him. Email mark at rivbike dot com and I'm sure he'll let you know status. FWIW, I scrubbed off the lower mushroom things on my rack, and I don't feel the particular need to set up a hoop. Bill On Tuesday, November 25, 2014 9:15:06 AM UTC-8, John Phillips wrote: Hi, Has there been any more talk of Riv selling hoops for the older (last July's) version of the HAR? I notice the hub area racks have been re-designed and are quite a bit different from the ones that came out last summer. Shortly after I purchased mine, Riv said they were going to come out with a version with the hoop, and hoops for the first HAR's, but I haven't heard anything more about it. I'd appreciate it if anyone has heard anything they can share. Thanks, John -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Hub Area Rack, new versus old?
Hi Michael, I'm pretty sure that the hoop will not interfere with the Nitto Mini or Mark's rack. Here's a look at the HAR v1 and Nitto Mini. I'm guessing that the only difference with HAR v2 is the hoop tab-- if that's the case, this pic shows that HAR won't interfere with the front rack. https://www.flickr.com/photos/stakx/14635282251/ I'm not familiar with the Arkel front panniers. If you'd like certain measurements of the HAR v1, I'd be happy to help. Happy Thanksgiving, Shoji On Wednesday, November 26, 2014 6:26:45 AM UTC-5, Michael Hechmer wrote: I tried to buy the HAR last summer and missed out by a day and have ben waiting for them to come back in stock. However, with the added hoop I wonder if the rack will fit with a Mark's Mini or a small Nitto? I don't want to give up that rack, I just want something that will go on and off the bike quickly and not interfere with either the small rack or the roof top tandem carrier. Does anyone know if the new rack will work that way? Michael On Tuesday, November 25, 2014 12:59:45 PM UTC-5, Shoji Takahashi wrote: I've got ver1 HAR+HUB. They've stayed on my Hunqapillar since I got them in July(?). I use them for grocery hauling, and holding picnic stuff and toys when I'm riding with kids. Solid w/o hoop. I'll let my inner weight weenie take pride in knowing that I'm saving a few unnecessary grams, though Bill has outdone me there. :) shoji On Tuesday, November 25, 2014 12:38:54 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote: Hi John I own a non-hoop HA Rack like you and I heard what you heard, that they planned to offer a retrofit hoop. The only extra detail that I know is that this design was driven by Mark. I bet the smartest info will come from him. Email mark at rivbike dot com and I'm sure he'll let you know status. FWIW, I scrubbed off the lower mushroom things on my rack, and I don't feel the particular need to set up a hoop. Bill On Tuesday, November 25, 2014 9:15:06 AM UTC-8, John Phillips wrote: Hi, Has there been any more talk of Riv selling hoops for the older (last July's) version of the HAR? I notice the hub area racks have been re-designed and are quite a bit different from the ones that came out last summer. Shortly after I purchased mine, Riv said they were going to come out with a version with the hoop, and hoops for the first HAR's, but I haven't heard anything more about it. I'd appreciate it if anyone has heard anything they can share. Thanks, John -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: New RBW fork crown?
It could be a lug for segmented fork. That would permit a really big tire... maybe fat-bike sized tire? (Not sure if Riv would go for disc brakes.) https://www.flickr.com/photos/22538785@N05/4907380473/ It could also be used for segmented seat stays. Like this one, but lugged. (Would also require oval stays...) https://www.flickr.com/photos/pwkrueger/8721684967/ --shoji On Wednesday, November 26, 2014 11:14:11 AM UTC-5, BSWP wrote: Could be, an alternate means of joining fork tubes to crown. I wonder how hard to make a fork and crown and steerer and head tube that could all accept and pass through a wire from a dyno hub? It would be a neat way to get the voltage back through the frame and to a rear light. With an offramp at the crown to power a front light, too. - Andrew, Berkeley On Monday, November 24, 2014 2:55:50 PM UTC-8, Z wrote: Looks like a half-crown sneak peek in the Thanksgiving Blug post... Or am I crazy? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Help our SOs! Gift Ideas
Another set of tires? Maybe you need knobbies for the bike or expensive Compass offering? On a less pricey level, maybe try the ultralight Schwalbe inner tubes? Soaps and goops good-- Kookabura (sp?), shave cream is nice, clove and/or anise soaps. Phil hand cleaner works magically. Maybe a nice wrench (Eldi or Y-wrench)? Riv's organic long sleeve shirts feel nice. I got the BBH cheapo logo-mistake, and what a deal! My SO's borrowed it, so there's that. The Rivendell one is nice, too. On Sunday, December 7, 2014 8:30:39 PM UTC-5, Glen wrote: Christmas gift ideas were easy 2 years ago when I was building my Atlantis. What are your bike/Rivish gift ideas to your wives/husbands/friends/etc? Right now I'm stuck at a good headlight for my Atlantis, what else have you? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Friction shifting and pulleys again
Hi Doug, I have a similar set up to what you're building up: - 56cm AHH with Suntour friction down tube shifters (Noodle hbar) - Sugino triple and HG41 8 speed rear. - Shimano XT front and rear derailers (bit-o-bling, but works nicely) It works great. For the terrain I ride, the triple is overkill. I could do fine with 1X or compact double, if I want to pull my kids in the trailer. Maybe consider a compact double unless you have lots of hills or will be touring. (Shifting a triple isn't hard, but shifting a double is super easy.) Bottom line: don't over think it. 8- or 9-speed will work just fine. Swap pulleys if you're setting it up; don't worry about it if someone else is assembling. Enjoy the ride! It's a great bike. Shoji On Thursday, December 11, 2014 4:49:22 PM UTC-5, Doug Williams wrote: I’m looking at getting a Hilsen soon (probably 58cm 650b) and I want to go friction only shifting with Silver Shifter bar ends (probably on Albas). I decided on Riv’s Sugino 46-36-24 triple up front. From everything I have read, 8 speed is the way to go for friction, and 8 is enough for me. I’m not a racer so I don’t need to precisely match the cadence of the peloton. More important for me is to have a wide range of gears. So for the rear, I’m looking at the Shimano Acera HG41 8 Speed MTB Cassette, 11-13-15-17-20-23-26-34T. I like the 11T for fun downhill runs (I admit that I don’t really NEED it). The 34T is so I can get my old body up over the hill. I would only use it with the 24 up front for when I climb a really nasty hill. The 8 tooth jump between 26 and 34 probably makes the 34 less than desirable for normal use, but that’s fine as I’ll reserve the 34T for use only with the 24T front chainring as an “emergency wimp-out granny gear”. For the front derailer I’m looking at the Riv recommended Shimano Deore XT front derailer (FD-M781X6) – 17160 (Shimano's part number FD-M781X6 or M781AX6L or M781AX6S). For the rear, I’m planning on the Riv recommended Shimano Deore rear derailer – 17138, (RD M591 SGS). 1st Question: Are these the best derailer picks for my application, or should I look at something else? 2nd Question: I read that swapping the rear derailer pulleys is a good thing for friction shifting because the wobble designed into the top pulley (to make index shifting work) has a negative impact on friction shifting. But then…I would be putting a wobbly pulley in the lower position (when a non-wobbly pulley is called for). Should I just spring for another set of pulleys (about $10) so I could put “lower pulleys” in both positions? Would this avoid potential problems, or would I just be wasting money? Thanks, Doug Williams -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Parts Purge Continues
Hi Peter, Just a thought on the Soma GR-- perhaps you used a saddle that's relatively tall? I think Brooks saddles sit higher (i.e., you need to put the seat post lower) than some other saddles. For example, look at this comparison on Ocean Air Cycles (4th photo down): http://oceanaircycles.com/2011/06/23/saddle-comparison-brooks-b17-swift-and-berthoud-touring/ If the Soma GR is otherwise nice, maybe try a different saddle with lower height? shoji On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 1:51:18 PM UTC-5, Peter M wrote: More stuff for sale, Nitto lugged seatpost, usual insertion marks, looks great. A true piece of bike jewelry. $110 shipped. I will be parting out my too big for me 61cm Soma Grand Randonneur tonight, Riv wheels, typical Riv build. Its a lovely bike but the extension above the seattube is just a hair too high and even with the seat slammed the saddle height is more than what I like. Paypal, lower 48. Thanks all Peter -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] shimano cx-70 canti question
I've been using CX-70 cantis for at least the past 6 months on my Hunqapillar. I don't use the Shimano link-wire thing, and instead use a regular straddle hanger yoke. RE: how well they work For me, the CX-70s are easy to set up and provide powerful braking. They replaced CR-720, which were fine. I like the feel of the CX-70s better, and I think they are not as finicky to set up for good braking. I used the OEM brake pads, which were surprisingly good. I've since switched to Yokozuna's as the OEMs have worn down. (Very easy swap.) RE: quick release I have nonaero brake levers with quick release, and the brake hangers both have barrel adjusters. I can pull the straddle cable from the brake or remove the yoke from the straddle cable. It does take a little adjusting; first time I set it up, there wasn't enough slack. BTW: I saw Bill's offer to trade CX-70 for his Pauls. I thought about it for a little bit, but I really like the CX-70s. If I get another canti-equipped bike, I'd definitely get these again. Best, shoji On Friday, December 19, 2014 11:54:41 PM UTC-5, AaronY wrote: http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/dia-compe-cable-stop-with-quick-release.html Here's another option that adds a quick release function to the brake line. I have one of these installed on a bike with center pulls and it works great. I like non-aero brakes so the Tektro levers aren't my first choice. BTW, I just bought the CX-70's for the same reason as you, Drew. I'm glad you brought this up as I imagine I will have the same problem you mentioned. I think I will buy one of these dia compe cable stops right now in anticipation. Can anyone who is actively using these brakes speak to how well they work? Usually, if Riv is selling something I just trust that it will work well enough. I'm expecting the same from these CX-70's but I read an Amazon review saying skip 'em and go for the cheaper Tektro 720's. Can anyone weigh in? Thanks. Aaron Young The Dalles, OR On Fri Dec 19 2014 at 7:48:55 PM Dan McNamara djmcn...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: I have had good luck using the release on Tektro brakes with the CX-70. Not sure I could get the straddle off without that slack. Dan On Dec 19, 2014, at 6:33 PM, drew beckmeyer drewbe...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: ok, i feel like this is going to end with me missing something obvious. i just got the cx-70 brakes to avoid having to deflate/squeeze my 700x50 tires everytime i want to take the wheels off. im not so new to cantilever brakes but somewhat new to big tires that prevent easy on and off. riv's site sort of implies that they open up easy enough and this video shows a guy doing it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rA7f-v3Rmts (skip to 1:04) here is the description and pics of it opened up http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/brc3.htm in my reality, when set up and adjusted correctly, it doesnt seem possible to slip the hanger cable from the brake. there isnt enough slack to get the cable to slide out of that little slot, it seems. if the brakes are super wide, i can get it to go, but it has to be uncomfortably far from the rim. adjusting the inline barrel to it's slackest doesnt really work either. so... am i missing something, and if so, what? id like to avoid deflating or loosening the other side of the cable hanger and then readjusting the brakes all over again. i couldve done that with the old brakes. many thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Can you make a Mark's rack sit right over the front wheel?
Yes, you can get it right over the fender (pic below is not mine): https://www.flickr.com/photos/kaptainamerika/4464220134/in/set-72157612913410038/ Good luck! On Wednesday, December 24, 2014 9:03:16 AM UTC-5, lungimsam wrote: I see they sit up pretty high and away from the fender. Is it possible to get them lower, right over the fender? I know you can use a spacer and get the fender attached that way to the rack, but for aesthetics and better handling, I was wondering. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Advice on sizing please.
Agree with many good comments. A few additions: How is the current bike fit? What's the saddle height? Also, particularly long or short limbs? If there's a picture of a well-fitting bike, that is helpful. I'm ~81cm PBH and go with a 48 Hunqapillar and 56 AHH. (There is latitude with sizing: I could fit a 51 Hunqapillar and 54 AHH.) Good luck! Shoji On Friday, December 26, 2014 3:33:11 PM UTC-5, Tim wrote: I agree with what's been said. I talked (actually email conversations) with Grant before buying my Riv. My PBH is 89.5 and he suggested a 63cm Hilsen. It fits great. I could fit a 61 as well, it would just show a bit more seat post. I also have a 63cm Roadeo and a 58cm Hunqapillar, and both fit great. I bought them according to the sizing on the Riv site. I'm a long inseam 5'10 so that means a bit shorter reach. If I were to have to start from scratch, knowing what I know now, I would probably go with 61cm on the Hilsen and Roadeo, only because of the reach, and maybe liking, aesthetically a bit more than a fistful of seat post than a bit less, as I currently have. But the bikes I have fit wonderfully and there is no reason to change. Comparing and contrasting, my LBS put me on a 54cm bike 3 years before I found Riv, then their professional fit that I paid extra for, compressed me, even though I protested that my knees were not flexible enough (3 years before double replacement) for the low seat position they were suggesting (demanding, actually.) I would recommend Riv fitting for anyone. Also, quill stems are super versatile in dialing in the bike once you have it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: city hunqapillar/first real ride
Happy riding, Drew! My Hunqapillar's my main city commuter, and it's terrific for that task (and many others). https://www.flickr.com/photos/stakx/16115956976/ On Monday, December 29, 2014 8:23:12 PM UTC-5, drew beckmeyer wrote: got tired of waiting for upcoming trips and decided to start working off some of the new hunqapillar's shine in los angeles. handled like a dream even with somewhat unnecessary racks, fenders and a bag. did get some looks though. good, bad and confused looks. i think the only guys who passed me had future bikes and wore jerseys, so perhaps this bike is not as overboard for the city as i thought. even took it up some hills that i avoid on my 80's road bike. 35 miles round trip. downtown LA to burbank and back in a non efficent route. couldn't be happier with this little test run. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Question on Big Ben handling
Hi DS, I have 26 Big Bens on my Hunqapillar. I find the cornering to-be squirrely on roads if the tire pressure is too low (and cornering speeds are somewhat high). Easily resolved by raising the pressure a bit. If you're going on a mixed terrain ride, I'd say pump 'em up a little more. Shoji On Sunday, January 25, 2015 at 5:29:09 PM UTC-5, DS wrote: Does anyone notice or have any input on handling with a Big Ben or balloon type tire? Especially on cornering on fast descents? Reason I ask is, I just bought some Big Bens (26 x 2.15) for my Hunqapillar for mixed ride use. Took them out for a first ride a few weeks ago, had a bad crash while on a somewhat but not terribly fast descent on pavement, turning into a curve, though I'm 95% sure it was due to a way under inflated tire (I had a flat about 20 minutes before that on the trails and replaced tube but feel I did not inflate enough for the ride home). Today, went out with properly-ish inflated tires (34 front, 40 psi rear), but still felt like the bike was squirrely on turns and it felt like the bike was going to slide out underneath me on some moderate turns, so I took them pretty slow. But, it was also my first ride back since the crash, so maybe that had something else to do with it. Anyone else have any comments on the handling of these? Am I imagining things and being overly sensitive due to the crash and this is user error? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Rock and Road Tires
great looking cheviot! rock and roll, Kellie. On Saturday, January 31, 2015 at 5:04:47 PM UTC-5, Kellie Stapleton wrote: https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-b5koQF3QoGg/VM1RQDZ_B2I/AQI/7GgJrEu6bS0/s1600/untitled-2.jpg In case anyone wanted to see…….. new shoes for my Cheviot. The Rock and Road tires fit fine. https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-9XOp2Z9lerQ/VM1RcARgqnI/AQQ/JYNb-zAb7GY/s1600/untitled.jpg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Handling effects of a front rack/basket/bag....
Hi Chris, If you can rig it up, try the seat bag on the handlebar to test it out. My experience is that some bikes do great with front weight, some don't. I have a CC, Hunqapillar, and AHH. The CC doesn't handle well with front weight. The Hunqapillar is great with Wald+HUB+HAR. I have an acorn hbar bag on the AHH, but it's not loaded up. Good luck! shoji On Friday, February 6, 2015 at 9:11:14 AM UTC-5, Chris Lampe 2 wrote: How much effect does having a small front rack with either a basket or a bag on it have on a bikes steering? My primary concern is carrying capacity. I want to be able to carry the usual wallet, cell phone, car keys, spare tube, tire levers and maybe some allen wrenches but I also want to move to higher performance tires and am considering carrying a spare tire since I'm a 400 lb rider and a damaged tire is probably more likely for me than others. I've got a great little seat bag that will hold everything but the tire. A secondary concern is that my Devil is a perfectly suitable bike in every aspect except for the front-end handling. I've been riding 700c bikes with MTB geometry since 1995 and I just can't get used to the Devil's 60mm of traileven with 40mm tires. Would the extra weight on the front make it handle more like a higher trail bike or would it just increase the wheel flop? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Black and cream Sam on the Blug
+1 on all that. Tuxedo Sam looks wonderful, with work-boot RnR to go. I think the Shimano canti spacers are terrific. I wish I could buy an extra set for these sorts of things. IIRC, Sean Hipkin used those in a Roadeo build to space the rear fender. On Thursday, January 15, 2015 at 9:06:25 AM UTC-5, Tim Gavin wrote: Gorgeous bike. Tough but cuddly. That is a drawback of R559/Silvers; they intrude upon fender space and push the front tip downwards into the tire. Paul Racers fixed that for me (any centerpull would work). Mark's modification is pretty slick. I've considered splitting the rear fender on the 80s Raleigh I rebuilt for my girlfriend's father. The brake bridge pushes the fender close to the 32 mm Paselas; it works but the arc is ugly. I hadn't considered using a rack to anchor the fender, nice job! On Thursday, January 15, 2015 at 7:54:49 AM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote: I felt the same way about black Rivs. It was a black-n-cream Roadeo that started to change my mind, in a 'peeking thru the knothole' years back. That fender slice job is surgical. Wow. 80% of people who look at those photos won't even see the bi-section. Rock and Roads plus fenders! On Wednesday, January 14, 2015 at 10:46:56 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote: I never thought black would be a great color on a Riv, but boy was I wrong (a while back I saw a black Hunq or Bombadil here which started to change my mind). This bike is *beautiful.* Grant says it may be an option on some models later..I'd love to see it happen. Also, check out the slick fender-modifyin' on the front. http://rivbike.tumblr.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Compass 26 × 1.75 Feedback requested
Hi Hugh, I've used Compass 26x1.75 and Big Bens on my Hunqapillar. The Compass tires are noticeably faster-- 40-min commute goes down to 35-min. (I have to stop at lots of traffic lights, so maybe it's due to faster acceleration?) I've used Compass and Big Bens about a year each in Boston-area roads (potholes, debris) and packed dirt trails. No problems with either. The Big Bens are larger volume. Their sidewalls seem to-be sturdier than the Compass. I can't say whether that translates to fewer flats or reduced chance of sidewall cuts compared to the Compass. I highly recommend either tire for these road and trail conditions. I do wish the Compass were wider... and I know others feel that way from a previous thread. That might make a difference for you on your journey. Also, the Compass folds nicely for a spare. I've been using the Schwalbe extralight inner tubes, and they've been fine. If you're going to embrace your inner weight weenie, I'd add them to the list, too. Happy riding! Shoji On Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 1:19:18 PM UTC-5, hsmitham wrote: MIke, Erl, Rod, Aaron and Chris, thanks so far for the feedback. I'm leaning towards the Compass as I'll be doing a long tour this Summer. I originally figured the WTB All Terrains would be fine for mixed terrain riding and they are but I'm rethinking the whole weight penalty thing these days.Yeah I'm thinking like a weight weenie, and my truth is the lighter the load along with less tire rolling resistance the happier I'll be. Again thanks for the feedback and others please let me know your experiences with this tire. Cheers ~Hugh “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep moving.” ― Albert Einstein http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/ On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 9:49 AM, Pondero cj.sp...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Great question, Hugh. If I ever decide my Holy Rollers are overkill for my Atlantis (for longer rides), the Compass tires are what I have in the back of my mind. Sounds like good reports so far. Chris Johnson Sanger, Texas -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/Pudi1V7GSxw/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Anyone doing the EBDJ Wednesday Challenge?
~10 min to go before I can eat this block of cheese I'm feeling a little hungry. Was feeling fine until noon, which is my usual lunch time. On Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 1:01:44 PM UTC-5, Amit Singh wrote: I did it yesterday between 1:30 - 6pm. Ate normal during eating hours, no binging in that time span. Felt normal. Had a big mediterranean salad at dinner and was so happy. Today is day 2 and the hunger has me feeling a little ravenous and wobbly. I can't wait until 1:30 today and am beginning to fantasize about what I will eat when the clock strikes that magical hour. I have confidence in knowing this feeling should pass soon so I can get back to work :) Anyone else doing the Wednesday challenge? How is it going for you? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Brake Cable Hanger - Fork Crown Mount
One thought: changing to CX70 cantis might not result in bad shudder; the design is quite different from CR720s. If you're going that route, I would try the cantis without the fork-mount hanger and/or modding the rack. On Wednesday, February 11, 2015 at 1:17:21 AM UTC-5, stonehog wrote: http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/ca15089.htm Is anyone using this bad-boy with a rack also mounted at the fork crown? I've been using v-brakes on my Hunqa, but the cable is right at the rack mount level, so, although it works, it's sub-optimal as it goes up and over the rack, so it has a bit of extra play. I'd also like to be rid of the problem solver (road levers). I want to put CX-70 cantis on the front, but had a bad experience with Tektro cantis on this bike's first build - bad shudder. I believe the fork crown mount is the answer... It would have to allow a rack to through mount, 'cauz I'm not giving up the awesome rack on this. https://flic.kr/p/gJdUVX - shows the current situation with v-brakes. Brian Hanson Seattle, WA Bike Blog http://www.stonehog.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: MUSA Molskin Shirt experiences?
I love the Riv (but don't have the Bean to compare). The fabric feels nice, and it does feel rugged. Word of caution on the buttons-- a few (3 or 4... maybe 5?) on my chambray and cowpoke have fallen off. I've got 'em in my drawer waiting for a time to re-stitch 'em. I do like the red thread, though. shoji On Wednesday, February 18, 2015 at 3:44:18 PM UTC-5, Jim M. wrote: I have both. The Bean is nice and what I think of as chamois. The Riv is far more rugged and feels like it would ward off errant chain saws (that's a compliment, just to clarify). The Riv is warmer, and the color is great, too. I expect the Riv will outlast the Bean by a significant factor. jim m wc ca On Wednesday, February 18, 2015 at 11:28:01 AM UTC-8, Tony DeFilippo wrote: Specifically as opposed to the LL Bean chamois shirt... I've grown up with and still wear my LL Bean shirt in a dark green color. It's my favorite shirt from Sep-Apr. Riv's offering is tempting and even the right color, but I'm skeptical whether I'd see enough of a difference especially w/ the 3x bill. I know it is supposed to compare against the Filson version not Bean but the Bean chamois is what I know (and already love!). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Atlantis or Hunq - what's the real difference?
My second-hand red and gray 48cm Hunqapillar was made at Waterford. The original intent was to have them all made in Taiwan (+ Toyo), but apparently a long wait made Riv reconsider and at least some were made at Waterford. (This is what I was told by the original purchaser.) BTW: the most important difference between the Atlantis and the Hunqapillar is the head badge. Shoji On Saturday, February 14, 2015 at 10:14:12 AM UTC-5, Mike Schiller wrote: the original Hunq frame was made in Taiwan and the fork made by Toyo in Japan. ~mike On Friday, February 13, 2015 at 9:14:55 AM UTC-8, Braxton Colagross wrote: Hunqapillar frames are made by Waterford. The $300 savings comes from the fork being made in Taiwan. On Thursday, February 12, 2015 at 8:45:39 PM UTC-8, Mike Schiller wrote: I recall reading that the Hunq used Kaisei heat treated tubing in 9-6-9 OS. This tubing has a higher tensile strength than Ox Plat which is what the Atlantis uses. Which only means it's more resistant to denting and not any stiffer. I also thought that the Hunq's were made in Taiwan and not at Waterford like the Atlantis. ~mike Carlsbad Ca. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: QB Co-Sponsors Wee bit of healing!
Patrick, Many thanks for your posts. I'm so glad to read of your progress over the years. Your reflections are inspired and inspiring. (as are your bike rides and trips.) push what you can do further, instead of stalling out on what you can't do.-- indeed. Shoji On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 3:12:28 PM UTC-5, Philip Williamson wrote: I love that the bike has helped you. Quickbeams are especially therapeutic, I believe! :^) (grin) I just flipped my wheel around to the fixed side again. Seems right. I'm wrapping my brain around your self-prescription to push what you can do further, instead of stalling out on what you can't do, as well. Seems like good advice. Philip www.biketinker.com On Friday, February 13, 2015 at 5:41:12 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote: This past week we’ve noticed a baby-step miracle healing, and as near as I can figure, the Quickbeam specifically plays a role. It’s nuanced and I’ll understand if you don’t read it, but I think it’s pretty amazing (doesn’t the recipient of a miracle always?! Grin.) and have yet to fully grasp all the ramifications if indeed it is what it seems to be. One of my challenges with my bludgeoned brain has been (and still is, but perhaps less so now) that when I encounter something that cuts through my brain like a knife through butter (laundry scents, diesel engines, ATV’s, chain saws, rude drivers, etc.), my adrenaline kicks in and bakes my brain and takes me days or weeks to recover. It looks like that may have dramatically decreased. I took an adrenaline hit earlier this week (not having any brain cushion, we expected a week plus recovery). I day recovery, and I got out for a recovery bike/run on that day! Then yesterday, I was riding errands (three stops, a record for me!) and after the Valentine’s Day bottle of wine store in the moronically played out parking lot I headed home through a veritable gauntlet of egit drivers, including one police SUV. It’s hard to be a biker in a smallish town not played out for bikes at all in the winter running errands and using the bike in a practical way when no one looks for people on bikes. Anyway, triggered my adrenaline off the scale (I was safe the whole time, just very angry). Figured this would be at least a week of recovery. Today? Recovery morning, wee 8 mile bike ride this afternoon. Feeling adrenaline free now. This is bizarre. This has been over 13 years coming. If you’ve stuck with this this long, you may as well hear the theory and why I suspect the QB is partly responsible. I used to avoid pushing my exertion level above an aerobic threshold level because it triggered my adrenaline. I learned to run up hills below that level so I didn’t trigger adrenaline. I couldn’t explain to myself or anyone else why I wanted a QB, why I felt a QB was different enough to warrant it being purchased and ridden beyond the Hunqaillar. After all, it is a bike and really, is that so very different? Yet I bought it anyway, dipping into our therapy account to do so (entering life as fully as possible is brain therapy, so my therapy account is put to unique use by most standards). My theory is this: having one gear to ride up hills pushed me regularly past that threshold that triggered my adrenaline. Yet it didn’t trigger it. Over the past year, my body learned that stress is not cause for releasing adrenaline. And somehow that seems to have helped with adrenaline recovery as well. How cool is that? Possible ramifications may include ability to withstand a few ATV’s on bikepacking trips without having to bail out early? I don’t know. But with my wife sick with the flu we all had earlier, I’ll likely be doing more errands this weekend. Grin. So perhaps this mini-miracle is co-sponsored by Quickbeam, Rivendell, and Grant. Grin. may God startle you with joy! With abandon, Patrick *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org http://www.MindYourHeadCoop.org* *www.OurHolyConception.org http://www.OurHolyConception.org* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Kids' Riv-esque Bike
My 4.5-yo son rides an Islabike (Cnoc14). It's a wonderful bike-- lightweight, good proportions for small bodies, excellent components. It has fender mounts; I don't think the 14 has rack mounts. I know that the larger (16+?) have rack mounts and specially designed+fitted racks as options. IMHO, Islabikes are not inexpensive, but worth it. Leah-- (I'm don't think it was covered earlier in the thread.) Is your child driving the change to alba-style handlebars? or is it the Riv-thing? There's nothing wrong with flat bars, unless they're causing problems (e.g., hand pain). Many kids bikes seem to have a fairly high handle-bar position as a result of frame design. Good luck! Shoji On Friday, January 30, 2015 at 1:00:09 PM UTC-5, Dan A wrote: My 7 year old has the 20 inch Specialized hot rock without suspension. It is a pretty nice bike. It is lighter than a lot of the similar bikes and one of the few kids bikes you can get without suspension. Another option to check out is Islabikes. Dan Abelson -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Question on Big Ben handling
Hey DS, IIRC, I ran mine ~20-35 psi. I'm about 155#, bike weighs ???, racks+bags+stuff ???, sometimes kid on a Burley Piccolo (whose weight keeps going higher) ... and the weight distribution changes for all those set ups. TBH: I just pinch 'em now to make sure there seems to-be enough. There are a lot of potholes on my commute, and I prefer to protect the rim and prevent pinch flats than optimize for speed+comfort. But it still runs great! If the tires seem too hard (e.g., bouncing over small roots or rocks), then I'll bleed the air a bit. You will be able to tell when the pressure is too high; and the squirreley feel means it's too low. I know this isn't very helpful information. But I think it is useful. Get out and ride... carefully at first, and then you'll get a sense of what works for your setup, road/trail conditions, etc. Maybe risk a pinch flat to see how low to go. (Been there, done that. Sucks to have to change a flat on a commute.) (Sorry if it sounds snarky-- that's not my intent.) Enjoy the experience! Shoji On Friday, January 30, 2015 at 2:15:16 PM UTC-5, DS wrote: Shoji and Hugh - what psi do you run at typically? understood that weigh of rider plus racks and bags and stuff can play into that. Thanks for the feedback though. Taking it out this weekend on an all pavement ride and will run at higher psi and be cautious on downhill turns. I also lowered my handlebars some which was also recommended. On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 7:33 AM, Hugh Smitham hughs...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: I concur with Shoji, that's been my experience thus far. A great rolling tire nonetheless. Cheers, ~Hugh “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep moving.” ― Albert Einstein http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/ On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 7:16 AM, Shoji Takahashi shoji.t...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Hi DS, I have 26 Big Bens on my Hunqapillar. I find the cornering to-be squirrely on roads if the tire pressure is too low (and cornering speeds are somewhat high). Easily resolved by raising the pressure a bit. If you're going on a mixed terrain ride, I'd say pump 'em up a little more. Shoji On Sunday, January 25, 2015 at 5:29:09 PM UTC-5, DS wrote: Does anyone notice or have any input on handling with a Big Ben or balloon type tire? Especially on cornering on fast descents? Reason I ask is, I just bought some Big Bens (26 x 2.15) for my Hunqapillar for mixed ride use. Took them out for a first ride a few weeks ago, had a bad crash while on a somewhat but not terribly fast descent on pavement, turning into a curve, though I'm 95% sure it was due to a way under inflated tire (I had a flat about 20 minutes before that on the trails and replaced tube but feel I did not inflate enough for the ride home). Today, went out with properly-ish inflated tires (34 front, 40 psi rear), but still felt like the bike was squirrely on turns and it felt like the bike was going to slide out underneath me on some moderate turns, so I took them pretty slow. But, it was also my first ride back since the crash, so maybe that had something else to do with it. Anyone else have any comments on the handling of these? Am I imagining things and being overly sensitive due to the crash and this is user error? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/8AGU5zWF7Sc/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/8AGU5zWF7Sc/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: question for those who ride with a White Industries double crank
Hi Mark, Another data point: I've got VBC double on my Hunqapillar, and it's also pretty darn straight. BTW: love the cold-weather pix! Stay warm my friend. shoji On Thursday, January 8, 2015 at 5:03:10 PM UTC-5, Mark Reimer wrote: Hah! I'm ready. Great idea about turning it 90 degrees though. I'll give that a shot. While I have it off the bike, I'll try laying the large ring on a granite surface, that should shed some light as well. And yes, can never have too much grease. On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 4:00 PM, Bill Lindsay tape...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Mine is pretty darn straight, but I'm using a WI bottom bracket as well. 3mm seems like kind of a lot. Maybe pull the arms and put them back on 90 degrees different and see if that changes anything. Maybe you should ##brace yourself for divisive comment## grease the spindle ##resume normal level of readiness## On Thursday, January 8, 2015 at 1:18:25 PM UTC-8, Mark Reimer wrote: I've been riding with a White Industries VBC crank on my Atlantis since the spring and it's been great, except for one nagging thing. The large ring doesn't seem to be dead straight/flat. If I look down at the chain ring while I am pedalling, I can see it moving from side to side in between the front derailleur. That means it is really hard to trim the front der. and not get any buzzing from the chain scrapping against it. It has to be *JUST* right to not contact. Now I have some single speed White rings and they are all dead straight. So I'm curious... could it be the cheapo BB I have (It wasn't even 10 bucks. bought it to test the spindle length and decided to ride it till it died. Turns out it's quite tough!), or do White rings have a certain amount of flutter? It's about 3mm of total side-to-side movement I'd say. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/o9w805ajRsc/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
