Re: [RDD] Paid Support
Paravell is the primary developers and the best paid tech support around. I’m not sure what the cost is now. It’s on a per system basis. Talk to Fred Gleason about it or call them. We’ve had their support for a decade now and they’ve been great backup. They even take suggestions. It seems like there are 3 kinds of broadcast automation systems out there; big players that want you to buy every feature one at a time, home brewers that start out like a house on fire then get burned out and you end up with no support, a dead project that’s been years since the last update and Rivendell that seems to stand alone as a well supported open source, full featured automation system. The development of the underlying code was originally funded by a network. Fred runs Paravell like a business but now Rivendell is open source. I know Rivendell is free and that was really important to us starting. Now our budgets are a little bigger. At this point we buy the maintenance contract as an insurance policy and to do our part to keep the software development going. Bill Putney - WB6RFW Chief Engineer - KPTZ Private Pilot-Single Engine Land | Airframe & Powerplant / Inspection Authorization > On Aug 12, 2022, at 8:27 PM, riv...@braingia.org wrote: > > Hello, > > What's the status of obtaining paid support for Rivendell? Does Paravel > offer this or are there other companies that do? > > Steve > ___ > Rivendell-dev mailing list > Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org > http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] Audioscience AES/EBU or S/PDIF output type
This seemed to be true of at least the older AES3 interfaces on Wheatstone boards. If the "consumer bit" was set in the header, the board wouldn't accept data. Our Logitek boards ignored that bit. For the first few years of operation we used some $25 USB to TOSLINK (Optical SPDIF) block bought on eBay connected to an TOSLINK to AES3 converter. We stopped when the drivers for those fell out of a new Centos release. The same outfit also made USB to coaxial (RCA pin jack) SPDIF versions. I found a nice paper written by Rane that goes into some detail about converting AES and SPDIF at the electrical level. https://www.ranecommercial.com/legacy/pdf/ranenotes/Interfacing_AES3_&_SPDIF.pdf <https://www.ranecommercial.com/legacy/pdf/ranenotes/Interfacing_AES3_&_SPDIF.pdf> - Bill On 2/21/22 6:20 AM, Fred Gleason wrote: On Feb 20, 2022, at 16:46, Rob Landry <41001...@interpring.com> wrote: I have connected SPDIF outputs to AES/EBU inputs and had them work; I've not tried the other way around. I recall reading somewhere that the differences between the two are essentially that AES/EBU is balanced and SPDIF is unbalanced. The voltage levels are different too, I think. The data header formats are different too. _Usually_, these differences can be ignored; although I have run across some gear (the old 360 Systems ‘Instant Replay’ unit comes to mind) where the AES3 input refuses to process any signal that doesn’t have the correct AES3 header. I don’t believe this should be a problem for ASI cards though. Cheers! |-| | Frederick F. Gleason, Jr. | Chief Developer | | | Paravel Systems | |-| | A room without books is like a body without a soul. | | | | -- Cicero | |-| ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev -- Bill Putney Chief Engineer - KPTZ Private Pilot-Single Engine Land | A & P / IA Mechanic ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] GlassCoder v1.0.4
Fred, Can GlassCoder keep a rolling cue of audio so a player can "Rewind" like Wowza nDVR? I always thought it would be cool it be able to jump back in time if I "tuned in" late on program. With Wowza nDVR you can tell it how much audio (or video) to keep as a backlog and a player can ask to start back in time. - Bill On 1/10/22 8:40 AM, Fred Gleason wrote: On behalf of the Rivendell audio community, I’m pleased to announce the release of GlassCoder v1.0.4, a minimalist live audio encoder. In addition to streaming to IceCast and Shoutcast stream aggregators, GlassCoder is capable of generating live HLS streams and publishing them to any standard HTTP server. It is available under the GNU Public License version 2. From the NEWS file: *** snip snip *** Changes: Fixed a packaging error on RHEL-8. Updated the PyPAD plug-in to be compatible with Rivendell v4.x. *** snip snip *** Further information, including full source code, is available at https://github.com/ElvishArtisan/GlassCoder. Cheers! |-| | Frederick F. Gleason, Jr. | Chief Developer | | | Paravel Systems | |-| | A room without books is like a body without a soul. | | | | -- Cicero | |-| ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev -- Bill Putney - WB6RFW Chief Engineer - KPTZ Private Pilot-Single Engine Land | Airframe & Powerplant Mechanic / Inspection Authorization ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] Ransonware attack
Or to paraphrase Nancy Reagan "Just say NO to Windows." Let's look at solving this from the problem causing end. Hackers are flying blind unless it's an inside the organization attack. Anything you do to not be the normal Windoz way of doing things is going to make it really hard for them to figure out. There are windows utilities that allow mounting *nix file systems. If it's something you just can't find it in your heart to disallow, at least just put the *nix utilities only on the Windoz computers that need file access and don't turn on Samba anything on the Rivendell machines. - Bill On 12/15/21 1:16 AM, Andy Higginson wrote: Hi, Some interesting ideas here. One thing that I would say is that we are not all networking experts. I have to admit that some of the stuff you are talking about goes over my head. I've not had cause to look at AD in any scope. Would it be possible to point us in the direction of a useful (in this context) Samba4 AD beginners primer to get started? Thanks Andy On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 09:03:25 + *Alejandro olivan Alvarez * wrote Hi list. I've been reading this very interesting case of vulnerability exploit ending in disaster, in a Linux environment... with Samba around the mess. I would like just to share some thoughts My partners of Automation dptm. that work with Win Based Automation systems, do often face the need to bypass security measures/restrictions self-imposed by Win systems regarding its native samba versions and policies. The root problem being that, often, for the shake of simplicity and usability, the whole system relies on usage of samba version bellow 4, often they need to work with NAS devices using smb v1 in guest mode, or very basic workgroup protection, not to mention absolute lack of Active Directory. They often need to edit Windows regedit to enable older protocols of Samba in order to work... The think is: the trend of enforcing Samba v4 with either MS AD or Samba4 AD is there for good reason, there're many vulnerabilities found around CIFS/SMB protocols along the times, and its very sad that ends up affecting our beloved Linux ecosystem. Since inter-operation with Windows machines is a very probable use-case to be found for Rivendell deployments (typically Dropboxes) I'm wondering whether a good practice for a professional setup would be to look for a tighter integration between Rivendell and Samba4 AD and or MS AD as part of Rivendell install (this is, at Linux OS underlying levels, already done and commented in this mailing list) specially when no MS AD is present, so Rivendell server could get the role of AD Server, integrate its Users database with samba, and enforce Samba v4 protocol around (My guess is that, eventually, an existing MS AD could setup Rivendell Samba4 Domain as a trusted domain in a domain forest, so they could co-exist and co-operate) Good luck. On 12/14/21 11:20 PM, Tim Camp wrote: Excellent points Bill. In our case we had ssh ability to get into the secure/studio side but secured and using a unusual port, they didn't get through that, they got in through samba and the samba server only exported one directory where the logs were but as you said they apparently easily hacked in through that. This is why they only effected machines were the ones with smb connections to the windows server that was their entry point. Tim WZEW On Tue, Dec 14, 2021, 4:06 PM Bill Putney wrote: If you put your important systems in a separate IP address space and use a firewall for a router between the office space and the secure space, you can dictate what you let through the firewall on a computer by computer and application by application basis. Don't let things go from your office net to your secure net unless you really have to. If you need to look at logs, have the server on your secure network push (rsync) those files to an office server regularly. The bandwidth is free, push it every minute if you want to. If you have things that you routinely need to send to the server on the secure network, put them on the office server and have a cron job on the secure server go and ftp the specific file(s) you want and run a post process script on them if needs be. If you need to ssh or vnc into the secure system from the office systems, only allow those that actually need the access and use a password token method like SecurID that is used once and cha
Re: [RDD] Ransonware attack
If you put your important systems in a separate IP address space and use a firewall for a router between the office space and the secure space, you can dictate what you let through the firewall on a computer by computer and application by application basis. Don't let things go from your office net to your secure net unless you really have to. If you need to look at logs, have the server on your secure network push (rsync) those files to an office server regularly. The bandwidth is free, push it every minute if you want to. If you have things that you routinely need to send to the server on the secure network, put them on the office server and have a cron job on the secure server go and ftp the specific file(s) you want and run a post process script on them if needs be. If you need to ssh or vnc into the secure system from the office systems, only allow those that actually need the access and use a password token method like SecurID that is used once and changes every minute. Then if the hacker snoops the keyboard on the office computer, they only have a minute to make it into your secure system and you've limited how useful that is to them. Don't use a file sharing mechanism that can't support strong fencing. I think Samba is easy to implement and easy to hack. I guess how much trouble you want to go to depends on how painful it is if you get hacked. If you are going to tighten security, be sure to give a lot of thought about how you're going to make it work "easily" for the people that routinely need access to the systems. If you make it so arcane and hard to deal with, you're encouraging people within the organization to work around the security. Then you really have a problem trying to keep the bad guys out. Bill Putney - WB6RFW District 2 Commissioner - Port of Port Townsend Chief Engineer - KPTZ El Jefe de Contenido - Port Townsend Film Festival Private Pilot-Single Engine Land | Airframe & Powerplant Mechanic / Inspection Authorization ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] Is There a Rivendell TV?
Drew, I have tried a bunch of DCP tools and right now my fav is DCP-O-Matic <https://dcpomatic.com/>. Free, Linux and does a good consistent job. It really knows how to keep the CPU cores hum'in too . It supports cluster rendering of the JPEG2000 frames and in fact, I have 2 of those 32 core machines (Dell R720's) in my set up at the Film Festival that have a 10 Gbe network that connects the cluster. There is a DCP-O-Matic player but I haven't really used it for much and only have a cheap PCIe video card to playout through. I suppose people have used this in small theaters but I really haven't gone there because all the theaters the Festival use are using Dolby/Doreme projectors that use DCP natively. I'm not sure about VLC. I don't think it knows about DCP yet. It can probably play the constituent parts but I don't think it can play them all together. I've got to run out for a while but I may come back a check into IRC. I'm Navion in there. - Bill On 9/5/20 9:49 AM, drew Roberts wrote: Bill, if you want to come to #rivendell in irc at freenode, look for zotz. If you would like to voice chat in a google hangout or via phone, let me know and we can work out details. Do you know of a good dcp video (with audio) player for linux? I did some dcp work years ago in making a commercial for the station to run on local theatre screens, but I don't recall if I had a player or not available at the time. Can VLC do it yet, I just saw something saying it could not yet do audio and video at the same time. all the best, drew On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 12:39 PM Bill Putney <mailto:bi...@wwpc.com>> wrote: Drew, Thanks, I'll take a look at it and see what I can make work. I've been doing content prep for the Port Townsend Film Festival and a couple years ago we converted to Digital Cinema Package (DCP) for the whole festival. It's kind of a disk hog because all the video is frame by frame in JPEG2000. The upside is that it's a standard that already exists for playout in theaters driven by xml. One hour of 1080p video will have a max file size of about 113 GB. A weeks worth of video (if you didn't repeat anything) would be about 20 TB. A month is about 90 TB. A 12 drive RAID6 array for a month's content would be about $3,300 for the disks and another ~$500 for a used SAN box? In DCP every video is a file that has a several constituent files that contain the video and audio and all the metadata. In a theater, these DCP directories are strung together on an xml "play list" that also does things like open and close curtains and change the house light settings. I personally do mostly 60 min. shows on Rivendell and it seems like it takes forever to ingest a show (~1/4 real time). I suspect that most of that has to do with the amount of CPU time it takes to normalize 60 minutes of audio, but a normalization certainly happens a lot faster in Audacity. It might be that the bottleneck is reading and writing to the NAS that has /var/snd on it over a 1Gbe network. Who knows... When I'm building DCP sets it takes about 3/4 real time to process a video with a 64 core (4 - 8 core Xeon processors, 2 Hyperthreads per core) and an 8 drive RAID 0 SSD array and 128 GB memory. An entirely different scale of thing. The idea of ingesting videos makes me shudder a little. :) - Bill On 9/5/20 6:13 AM, drew Roberts wrote: Bill, (Jay) https://github.com/zotz/drradioutils/tree/master/rivvids I suggest setting up a small test system to see how it all works with video. I am happy to answer questions and help get you going. (Perhaps if someone takes me up on this, we can improve the documentation.) For a video only system, all playable carts would be in rdlibrary as macro cards with a special format. rdlogmanager would be used in a fairly normal way to create events, clocks, and the grid and to create the day's log. rdairplay would be used to load the log and play it. rdairplay and friends would instruct an outside video player to play the correct videos at the correct times. (Mike, perhaps you could help a bit if we made some improvements when setting you up that did not make it into the docs / examples.) all the best, drew On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 10:13 AM Bill Putney mailto:bi...@wwpc.com>> wrote: Drew, I sure would be interested in hearing more. What are your adaptation's limitations? Things you think a "real" video video automation system should do that your system doesn't achieve? What is the hardware configuration? Thanks, Bill Putney District 2 Commissioner - Port of Port Townsend Chief Engineer - KPTZ El Jefe de Contenido - Port Townsend Film Festival Private Pilot-S
Re: [RDD] Is There a Rivendell TV?
Drew,
Thanks, I'll take a look at it and see what I can make work.
I've been doing content prep for the Port Townsend Film Festival and a
couple years ago we converted to Digital Cinema Package (DCP) for the
whole festival. It's kind of a disk hog because all the video is frame
by frame in JPEG2000. The upside is that it's a standard that already
exists for playout in theaters driven by xml.
One hour of 1080p video will have a max file size of about 113 GB. A
weeks worth of video (if you didn't repeat anything) would be about 20
TB. A month is about 90 TB. A 12 drive RAID6 array for a month's content
would be about $3,300 for the disks and another ~$500 for a used SAN box?
In DCP every video is a file that has a several constituent files that
contain the video and audio and all the metadata. In a theater, these
DCP directories are strung together on an xml "play list" that also does
things like open and close curtains and change the house light settings.
I personally do mostly 60 min. shows on Rivendell and it seems like it
takes forever to ingest a show (~1/4 real time). I suspect that most of
that has to do with the amount of CPU time it takes to normalize 60
minutes of audio, but a normalization certainly happens a lot faster in
Audacity. It might be that the bottleneck is reading and writing to the
NAS that has /var/snd on it over a 1Gbe network. Who knows... When I'm
building DCP sets it takes about 3/4 real time to process a video with a
64 core (4 - 8 core Xeon processors, 2 Hyperthreads per core) and an 8
drive RAID 0 SSD array and 128 GB memory. An entirely different scale of
thing. The idea of ingesting videos makes me shudder a little. :)
- Bill
On 9/5/20 6:13 AM, drew Roberts wrote:
Bill, (Jay)
https://github.com/zotz/drradioutils/tree/master/rivvids
I suggest setting up a small test system to see how it all works with
video.
I am happy to answer questions and help get you going. (Perhaps if
someone takes me up on this, we can improve the documentation.)
For a video only system, all playable carts would be in rdlibrary as
macro cards with a special format.
rdlogmanager would be used in a fairly normal way to create events,
clocks, and the grid and to create the day's log.
rdairplay would be used to load the log and play it.
rdairplay and friends would instruct an outside video player to play
the correct videos at the correct times.
(Mike, perhaps you could help a bit if we made some improvements when
setting you up that did not make it into the docs / examples.)
all the best,
drew
On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 10:13 AM Bill Putney <mailto:bi...@wwpc.com>> wrote:
Drew,
I sure would be interested in hearing more. What are your
adaptation's limitations? Things you think a "real" video video
automation system should do that your system doesn't achieve? What
is the hardware configuration?
Thanks,
Bill Putney
District 2 Commissioner - Port of Port Townsend
Chief Engineer - KPTZ
El Jefe de Contenido - Port Townsend Film Festival
Private Pilot-Single Engine Land | Airframe & Powerplant /
Inspection Authorization
On Sep 4, 2020, at 3:59 AM, drew Roberts mailto:zotz...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Bill,
if what I have is good enough to fit your needs, I have rivendell
"adapted" to do video and will be happy to help you get it set up
and going.
all the best,
drew
On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 1:44 AM Bill Putney mailto:bi...@wwpc.com>> wrote:
Probably not, but is there something like Rivendell to
automate play out of video content? The city has asked us
about taking over the Cable Access channel. I know the
automation system they have now plays Sony video carts. It
sounds like they don't have money to spend to update system
and I don't want to takeover a mechanical nightmare. A nice
big RAID array of videos would work nicely but it needs some
scheduler, like Rivendell has.
Bill Putney
District 2 Commissioner - Port of Port Townsend
Chief Engineer - KPTZ
El Jefe de Contenido - Port Townsend Film Festival
Private Pilot-Single Engine Land | Airframe & Powerplant /
Inspection Authorization
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Re: [RDD] Is There a Rivendell TV?
Drew, I sure would be interested in hearing more. What are your adaptation's limitations? Things you think a "real" video video automation system should do that your system doesn't achieve? What is the hardware configuration? Thanks, Bill Putney District 2 Commissioner - Port of Port Townsend Chief Engineer - KPTZ El Jefe de Contenido - Port Townsend Film Festival Private Pilot-Single Engine Land | Airframe & Powerplant / Inspection Authorization > On Sep 4, 2020, at 3:59 AM, drew Roberts wrote: > > > Bill, > > if what I have is good enough to fit your needs, I have rivendell "adapted" > to do video and will be happy to help you get it set up and going. > > all the best, > > drew > > >> On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 1:44 AM Bill Putney wrote: >> Probably not, but is there something like Rivendell to automate play out of >> video content? The city has asked us about taking over the Cable Access >> channel. I know the automation system they have now plays Sony video carts. >> It sounds like they don't have money to spend to update system and I don't >> want to takeover a mechanical nightmare. A nice big RAID array of videos >> would work nicely but it needs some scheduler, like Rivendell has. >> >> Bill Putney >> District 2 Commissioner - Port of Port Townsend >> Chief Engineer - KPTZ >> El Jefe de Contenido - Port Townsend Film Festival >> Private Pilot-Single Engine Land | Airframe & Powerplant / Inspection >> Authorization >> ___ >> Rivendell-dev mailing list >> Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org >> http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev > > > -- > Enjoy the Paradise Island Cam playing > Bahamian Or Nuttin - https://www.paradiseislandcam.com/ ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
[RDD] Is There a Rivendell TV?
Probably not, but is there something like Rivendell to automate play out of video content? The city has asked us about taking over the Cable Access channel. I know the automation system they have now plays Sony video carts. It sounds like they don't have money to spend to update system and I don't want to takeover a mechanical nightmare. A nice big RAID array of videos would work nicely but it needs some scheduler, like Rivendell has. Bill Putney District 2 Commissioner - Port of Port Townsend Chief Engineer - KPTZ El Jefe de Contenido - Port Townsend Film Festival Private Pilot-Single Engine Land | Airframe & Powerplant / Inspection Authorization ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] Anyone have AES67 working?
James, Thanks for the tip. Looks promising. - Bill On 5/25/20 2:50 PM, James Greenlee wrote: I'm unaware of a free, functioning AoIP driver that works on CentOS 7. The Merging Technologies Alsa driver works fine under CentOS 8. I'm actually discussing the compilation issues on CentOS 7 with one of their guys right now. We'll see if any progress is made on it. You can always buy a hardware card that does whatever protocol you want, and of course, Paravel offers a driver as well. James Greenlee - Original Message - From: "Bill Putney" To: "Rivendell-Dev" Sent: Monday, May 25, 2020 11:25:12 AM Subject: [RDD] Anyone have AES67 working? I'm wondering if anyone has tried out AES67 with RIvendell? There are drivers Centos drivers for AES67 on github. We're possibly upgrading our studio boards and the new boards support AES67. It would be nice to have all the audio and GPIO issues solved by an AoIP solution. I can imagine that the audio parts are pretty straight forward, but I don't know what it would take to make the GPIO work. I know Fred did do Livewire drivers but I don't know if that included the GPIO as well. Thanks, Bill Putney - WB6RFW District 2 Commissioner - Port of Port Townsend Chief Engineer - KPTZ El Jefe de Contenido - Port Townsend Film Festival Private Pilot-Single Engine Land | Airframe & Powerplant Mechanic / Inspection Authorization ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev -- Bill Putney - WB6RFW District 2 Commissioner - Port of Port Townsend Chief Engineer - KPTZ El Jefe de Contenido - Port Townsend Film Festival Private Pilot-Single Engine Land | Airframe & Powerplant Mechanic / Inspection Authorization ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
[RDD] Anyone have AES67 working?
I'm wondering if anyone has tried out AES67 with RIvendell? There are drivers Centos drivers for AES67 on github. We're possibly upgrading our studio boards and the new boards support AES67. It would be nice to have all the audio and GPIO issues solved by an AoIP solution. I can imagine that the audio parts are pretty straight forward, but I don't know what it would take to make the GPIO work. I know Fred did do Livewire drivers but I don't know if that included the GPIO as well. Thanks, Bill Putney - WB6RFW District 2 Commissioner - Port of Port Townsend Chief Engineer - KPTZ El Jefe de Contenido - Port Townsend Film Festival Private Pilot-Single Engine Land | Airframe & Powerplant Mechanic / Inspection Authorization ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] On screen keyboard
If you're solution is to do a clean re-install, make sure you take a snapshot of the database too, to reinstall after the rebuild. The audio backup won't do you much good without the database! - Bill On 2/20/20 4:22 AM, drew Roberts wrote: Mike, On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 5:15 AM Mike Cox wrote: Hi Drew I've had a look through the logs on this machine and I'm now confused too! I must have done something very strange when I built it. I think the simplest option will be to back up the audio and rebuild it from scratch. Could be. Thanks for your help and sorry if I've wasted your time. From my side, every day is a learning opportunity. You haven't wasted my time in the least. In fact, trying to help you yesterday was the final push I needed to try and bring up my first 3.x box. Almost there... database is converting now... Mike all the best, drew Mike Cox Managing Director The Rosetta Group Ltd Email: mike@rosetta.group <mailto:mike@rosetta.group> Website: www.rosetta.group <http://www.rosetta.group> Phone: 01983 229 229 <http://www.rosetta.group> Have a look at our new cloud phone system at www.rosettatelecom.com <http://www.rosettatelecom.com> See our payment options and pay online by clicking here Pay online <http://www.rosetta.group/payment> On 19/02/2020 18:08, drew Roberts wrote: Mike, I am a bit confused. I got in to the 3.x box I have access to. my 2.x boxes: rd:x:1000:1000:Rivendell Audio:/home/rd:/bin/bash rivendell:x:150:150:Rivendell radio automation system:/var/snd:/bin/false $ ls /home rd "my" 3.x box: rd:x:1000:1000:Rivendell Audio:/home/rd:/bin/bash rivendell:x:150:150:Rivendell radio automation system:/var/snd:/bin/false $ ls /home rd From our freenode #rivendell chat this morning: rivendell:x:1000:1000:Rivendell:/home/rivendell:/bin/bash How did you do this install? What does the line for rd look like in /etc/passwd? Did you make /home/rivendell? If you bring up a terminal fron the desktop and issue: whoami who are you? rd or rivendell? drew drew On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 9:10 AM Mike Cox <mailto:mike@rosetta.group> wrote: I've read the wiki entry about using an on screen keyboard http://wiki.rivendellaudio.org/index.php/On_Screen_Keyboard but it is for Debian. Has anyone achieved this in the standard Centos install? Many thanks Mike -- Mike Cox Managing Director The Rosetta Group Ltd Email: mike@rosetta.group <mailto:mike@rosetta.group> Website: www.rosetta.group <http://www.rosetta.group> Phone: 01983 229 229 <http://www.rosetta.group> Have a look at our new cloud phone system at www.rosettatelecom.com <http://www.rosettatelecom.com> See our payment options and pay online by clicking here Pay online <http://www.rosetta.group/payment> ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org <mailto:Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org> http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev -- Enjoy the *Paradise Island Cam* playing *Bahamian Or Nuttin* - https://www.paradiseislandcam.com/ -- Enjoy the *Paradise Island Cam* playing *Bahamian Or Nuttin* - https://www.paradiseislandcam.com/ ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev -- Bill Putney - WB6RFW District 2 Commissioner - Port of Port Townsend Chief Engineer - KPTZ El Jefe de Contenido - Port Townsend Film Festival Private Pilot-Single Engine Land | Airframe & Powerplant Mechanic / Inspection Authorization ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] RDImport and Disk Space
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Re: [RDD] RDImport and Disk Space
I actually prefer to have /var/snd on a completely separate volume. If you have the physical space to do it, I'd mirror the existing 1.5 TB drive and build a RAID5 array for /var/snd. You could get an external 4 drive USB bay to store /var/snd. Playback of stereo audio needs less than 1 Mbps, so USB wouldn't be challenged that much. An automation system is not something you can easily rebuild quickly. It pays to have it be fault tolerant to start with. We also rsync backup of the entire system to a separate computer. It might be a little paranoid, but it's relatively low cost insurance. Our Rivendell system has now grown to a number of client stations from a single server. There's really only 2 clients that playback. The other clients are used to ingest content and build logs. We've really hardened the server. A replacement client can be cloned on short notice and the failure of a single client isn't going to cripple the operation. - Bill On 11/28/19 3:16 AM, drew Roberts wrote: Mark, On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 11:53 AM Mark Murdock mailto:m...@celebrationradio.com>> wrote: So apparently, I need a drive much bigger than 1.5 TB unless I want to run compressed files. I wish I had known this going into this. The Rivendell System Requirements specify a 1 TB drive. Maybe that should be bumped up to 4 TB for music stations that want to store uncompressed files. " Do I have to start over from scratch for the server, or can I clone the 1.5 TB drive? " You do not have to do either. You can take a 2 to 4 TB drive for instance. Format it and mount it somewhere temporarily. Copy the audio files in /var/snd to that drive. Now *mount* that drive as /var/snd. Edit your fstab to make this mount on boot. all the best, drew If I clone the drive, won’t it preserve the 50 GB size on /dev/mapper/centos-root? Thanks, Mark Murdock KAMB 90 E. 16^th St. Merced, CA 95340 (209) 723-1015 m...@celebrationradio.com <mailto:m...@celebrationradio.com> Website <https://celebrationradio.com/> all the best, drew -- Enjoy the *Paradise Island Cam* playing *Bahamian Or Nuttin* - https://www.paradiseislandcam.com/ ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev -- Bill Putney - WB6RFW District 2 Commissioner - Port of Port Townsend Chief Engineer - KPTZ El Jefe de Contenido - Port Townsend Film Festival Private Pilot-Single Engine Land | Airframe & Powerplant Mechanic / Inspection Authorization ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] RDImport
Oops, I missed that in the df you posted. Probably the easiest thing to do is to move /home back under root and make the current home partition the new /var/snd partition. If your Rivendell machines aren't be used as general purpose computers, home shouldn't ever get to big. Resizing partitions can be a pain to accomplish. - Bill On 11/27/19 9:19 AM, Lorne Tyndale wrote: Mark, Your problem is clear from the lines: /dev/mapper/centos-home 1.4T 4.5G 1.4T 1% /home /dev/mapper/centos-root 50G 50G 39M 100% / You have 1.4TB allocated to /home (where you've only used 4.5GB of that 1.4TB), but only 50GB allocated to your root of / /var/snd is a folder off / so for sure it'll run out of space quickly. You'll need to reallocate a bunch of the space currently in /home to /var/snd Cheers, Lorne Tyndale Here's the output from df -h: Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on devtmpfs 3.8G 0 3.8G 0% /dev tmpfs3.8G 0 3.8G 0% /dev/shm tmpfs3.8G 98M 3.7G 3% /run tmpfs3.8G 0 3.8G 0% /sys/fs/cgroup /dev/mapper/centos-root 50G 50G 39M 100% / /dev/sda2 1014M 343M 672M 34% /boot /dev/mapper/centos-home 1.4T 4.5G 1.4T 1% /home /dev/sda1200M 12M 189M 6% /boot/efi tmpfs771M 4.0K 771M 1% /run/user/42 tmpfs771M 8.0K 771M 1% /run/user/1001 Mark -Original Message- From: rivendell-dev-boun...@lists.rivendellaudio.org On Behalf Of Cowboy Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 4:17 AM To: 'rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org' Subject: Re: [RDD] RDImport On Wed, 27 Nov 2019 01:00:27 + Mark Murdock wrote: drive is a 1.5 TB drive, and there's plenty of space left on it, but when I looked at the properties of /var/snd it said that 49.5 GB had been used of 53.7 GB, and that there is only 133 MB left (99% used). Is there a way to expand the space allocated for /var/snd? Is there a solution for this? The solution depends on the problem ! You've described the symptom. ;-) Please post the output from df -h -- Cowboy See more of your friends. Become a nudist ! ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev -- Bill Putney - WB6RFW District 2 Commissioner - Port of Port Townsend Chief Engineer - KPTZ El Jefe de Contenido - Port Townsend Film Festival Private Pilot-Single Engine Land | Airframe & Powerplant Mechanic / Inspection Authorization ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] RDImport
/var is in the root partition. When you ask the system how much space is left in /var/snd, it tells you how much space is left in the partition it's a part of. Looks like there was only 39 MB available there when you did the df -h. Except for /var/snd there shouldn't be anything in the root partition that's very big. My guess is that /var/snd has used up most of that space and you need a drive dedicated to /var/snd. The real question is, where did your 1.5 TB go? If you add up all the mounted partitions listed in the df you did, it's less than 70 GB. You've got 1.4 TB missing. Maybe the system made a partition for /var/snd and it didn't get used? For some further exploration, do an lsblk to see the device name of the drive. Then do a cfdisk /dev//dev/sda >. There should be partitions that add up to the missing space. If there's a 1.4 TB partition you've found your new home for /var/snd. Change the name of /var/snd to /var/old-snd. Create a mount point for /var/snd (mkdir /var/snd) and change it's permissions and ownership to match the /var/old-snd. In /etc/fstab make an entry for /var/snd using the empty partition you found. Mount your new /var/snd (sudo mount -a). You can use tar or rsync to copy all the existing sound files over to their new home. That should give you more space to keep sound files in and it will then show up when you do a df -h so you can easily keep track of it. - Bill On 11/27/19 8:20 AM, Mark Murdock wrote: Here's the output from df -h: Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on devtmpfs 3.8G 0 3.8G 0% /dev tmpfs3.8G 0 3.8G 0% /dev/shm tmpfs3.8G 98M 3.7G 3% /run tmpfs3.8G 0 3.8G 0% /sys/fs/cgroup /dev/mapper/centos-root 50G 50G 39M 100% / /dev/sda2 1014M 343M 672M 34% /boot /dev/mapper/centos-home 1.4T 4.5G 1.4T 1% /home /dev/sda1200M 12M 189M 6% /boot/efi tmpfs771M 4.0K 771M 1% /run/user/42 tmpfs771M 8.0K 771M 1% /run/user/1001 Mark -Original Message- From: rivendell-dev-boun...@lists.rivendellaudio.org On Behalf Of Cowboy Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 4:17 AM To: 'rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org' Subject: Re: [RDD] RDImport On Wed, 27 Nov 2019 01:00:27 + Mark Murdock wrote: drive is a 1.5 TB drive, and there's plenty of space left on it, but when I looked at the properties of /var/snd it said that 49.5 GB had been used of 53.7 GB, and that there is only 133 MB left (99% used). Is there a way to expand the space allocated for /var/snd? Is there a solution for this? The solution depends on the problem ! You've described the symptom. ;-) Please post the output from df -h -- Cowboy See more of your friends. Become a nudist ! ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev -- Bill Putney - WB6RFW District 2 Commissioner - Port of Port Townsend Chief Engineer - KPTZ El Jefe de Contenido - Port Townsend Film Festival Private Pilot-Single Engine Land | Airframe & Powerplant Mechanic / Inspection Authorization ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] RDImport
We store everything uncompressed. We can use audio stored for later editing without cascading compression losses. What's the down side to compressed storage? Stacking compression has possibly unknowable consequences. Storage and playback is straightforward without coding or decoding. If you have compressed files in your automation and then you decode that on playback and stream that audio you are decompressing it again. Every pass through lossy compression makes the audio quality worse and worse. What's the upside of compression? A 10TB disk is ~$200. Most radio station libraries aren't that big, even when PCM storage is used. So, what's the gain? When drives were expensive, you could make a case for compression of audio. I just don't see an imparitive now. We record everything that is broadcast at our station 24/7/365. We do that with Apple Lossless Compression. It statistically saves about 40% in disk size over PCM. A year's storage is contained on a single 3TB disk. Because it's lossless we can use it for later production without stacking compression quality losses. Bill Putney District 2 Commissioner - Port of Port Townsend Chief Engineer - KPTZ El Jefe de Contenido - Port Townsend Film Festival Private Pilot-Single Engine Land | Airframe & Powerplant / Inspection Authorization > On Nov 26, 2019, at 17:07, Geoff Barkman wrote: > > Hi Mark. > What format are you storing your audio files in? Mp2 or pcm wav? A way to > work out is a 3 minute audio file is 30 mb if pcm wav, whereas mp2 is about > 4mb. Pcm wavs will fill your hard drive quickly. > Many thanks > Geoff Barkman > > >> On Wed, Nov 27, 2019, 2:00 PM Mark Murdock wrote: >> OK, need some help. I’ve been using rdimport to import a bunch of songs from >> our SS32 system into Rivendell, and just as I was about to finish up, I >> started getting an error that said, “Audio Converter Error: No space left on >> device, skipping [file name].” The drive is a 1.5 TB drive, and there’s >> plenty of space left on it, but when I looked at the properties of /var/snd >> it said that 49.5 GB had been used of 53.7 GB, and that there is only 133 MB >> left (99% used). Is there a way to expand the space allocated for /var/snd? >> Is there a solution for this? >> >> >> >> Thanks! >> >> >> >> Mark Murdock >> >> KAMB >> >> 90 E. 16th St. >> >> Merced, CA 95340 >> >> (209) 723-1015 >> >> m...@celebrationradio.com >> >> Website >> >> >> >> ___ >> Rivendell-dev mailing list >> Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org >> http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev > ___ > Rivendell-dev mailing list > Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org > http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] Glasscoder icecast/shoutcast V1
Patrick, I know the addresses are a bit more daunting than the 4 octets we're use to. At least they're in hexadecimal. Back in the early days of digital networking I was a support engineer for a packet switched network carrier. We used Varian minicomputers that has about the same compute power as an apple watch and slightly less memory. All the software was hand coded in assembly language. One of the things I did was writing software patches and inserting them in nodes in various places around the world. If I messed up and the node crashed, that customer was off the net until their software was reloaded from California over the network. That involved loading net boot code that was 100 16 bit words long. It was very dense and one wrong bit in a word would cause it to fail. I remember one night I crashed a node in upstate NY and had to call their data center operator at about 2AM their time a read him the net boot over the phone as he put it into the switch register on the front of the minicomputer one word at a time. So yeah, those long IPv6 addresses are a pain but, there are worse things. :) - Bill On 8/20/19 11:09 AM, Patrick Linstruth wrote: I think that’s the main benefit of IPv6. No more NAT! My belief is IPv6 is being adopted slowly due to the “if it isn’t broke, don’t fix it” paradigm. I for one don’t like changing anything on my networks unless I have to. Changes always have unintended consequences (just look at some of my Rivendell PRs). Since most people have plenty enough address space and don’t seem to mind running NAT, there isn’t any real reason to change (hey, let’s change our entire network topography for no perceived benefit). I suppose when I ask AWS for an elastic IPv4 address and they tell me to go pound sand, it will force the issue for me. As for my home, Frontier DSL and Rise Wireless… I’m not sure if they can even spell IPv6. There’s also the support issue. I don’t know if you ever had to have someone, that can barely use a mouse, enter an IP address over the phone before. It’s only four 1-3 digit numbers and 3 periods, but you’d think you were having them enter the formula for transparent aluminum. Patrick On Aug 20, 2019, at 10:49 AM, Bill Putney wrote: On 8/20/19 9:25 AM, Cowboy wrote: On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 09:07:11 -0700 Bill Putney wrote: I am amazed at how slow the adoption of IPv6 has been. I'm not. Not at all ! There has been a working set of specs and hardware for almost 2 decades. True ! I don't know of anything built in the last decade that wasn't IPv6 capable. Really ? I'm not aware of much that *was* IPv6 capable the last 8 or ten years. Today, 2019, sure. 2009, not so sure. IPv6 been part of the requirements for equipment acquisition since the turn of the century. Certainly any network hardware all the computer operating systems and most appliances. People leave it turned off a lot because they don't have access to networks that support v6, but it's there. There haven't been IPv4 addresses available for 3 or so years. That's flat not true !! There have been and remain so today. Try to get a v5 CIDR block from ARIN. They were exhausted about 3 years ago. Even a /24 block. you can still get IP addresses from carriers, but starting a new ISP and see how far you get finding IP space. The only thing I can imagine is that there is some market force at work that is slowing it down. That's part of it, yes. google is pushing IPv6 hard, but we're getting to the point where google is the well known extra-legal universal mercenary spy organization. ( here's this portable camera/gps which we want you to take into the bath room with you so that you will have a better user experience. Yeah, right ! ) Knowing how evil google has become ( even dropped their moto "don't be evil" ) anyone *that* evil who favors IPv6 is almost reason enough to run like a raped ape ! Well, that's just silly. Go ahead and mistrust Google but it has nothing to do with IPv6. IPv6 has such a huge address space, we can discreetly address every grain of sand in the known universe. I suppose if we all stopped using NAT at gateways and every device had a unique address, folks lie Google and NSA could find a way to get up to some mischief. When I started working in the field, we all used unique addresses because no one could imagine we'd run out of the 4 octets of addresses. When I got my /24 in the 80's, the folks at SRI who had the contract to manage domains and addresses tried to talk me into a /16. I should have taken them up on it. Who knew I'd have a house full of computers? Like all the big carriers that have all the v4 address space have too much control of ICAN. No. More like the major backbone providers still have a great deal of IPv4 equipment out there in regular service. They're not going to trash it "just because" ! All of the equipment in the backbone can do both a
Re: [RDD] Glasscoder icecast/shoutcast V1
On 8/20/19 9:25 AM, Cowboy wrote: On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 09:07:11 -0700 Bill Putney wrote: I am amazed at how slow the adoption of IPv6 has been. I'm not. Not at all ! There has been a working set of specs and hardware for almost 2 decades. True ! I don't know of anything built in the last decade that wasn't IPv6 capable. Really ? I'm not aware of much that *was* IPv6 capable the last 8 or ten years. Today, 2019, sure. 2009, not so sure. IPv6 been part of the requirements for equipment acquisition since the turn of the century. Certainly any network hardware all the computer operating systems and most appliances. People leave it turned off a lot because they don't have access to networks that support v6, but it's there. There haven't been IPv4 addresses available for 3 or so years. That's flat not true !! There have been and remain so today. Try to get a v5 CIDR block from ARIN. They were exhausted about 3 years ago. Even a /24 block. you can still get IP addresses from carriers, but starting a new ISP and see how far you get finding IP space. The only thing I can imagine is that there is some market force at work that is slowing it down. That's part of it, yes. google is pushing IPv6 hard, but we're getting to the point where google is the well known extra-legal universal mercenary spy organization. ( here's this portable camera/gps which we want you to take into the bath room with you so that you will have a better user experience. Yeah, right ! ) Knowing how evil google has become ( even dropped their moto "don't be evil" ) anyone *that* evil who favors IPv6 is almost reason enough to run like a raped ape ! Well, that's just silly. Go ahead and mistrust Google but it has nothing to do with IPv6. IPv6 has such a huge address space, we can discreetly address every grain of sand in the known universe. I suppose if we all stopped using NAT at gateways and every device had a unique address, folks lie Google and NSA could find a way to get up to some mischief. When I started working in the field, we all used unique addresses because no one could imagine we'd run out of the 4 octets of addresses. When I got my /24 in the 80's, the folks at SRI who had the contract to manage domains and addresses tried to talk me into a /16. I should have taken them up on it. Who knew I'd have a house full of computers? Like all the big carriers that have all the v4 address space have too much control of ICAN. No. More like the major backbone providers still have a great deal of IPv4 equipment out there in regular service. They're not going to trash it "just because" ! All of the equipment in the backbone can do both and have been capable since the turn of the century. They don't have to "trash" anything, except that it all becomes too slow pretty frequently. They've made some pretty stupid rules around getting v6 address space. Not at all what you'd expect if you wanted to fast track v6 adoption. Nobody wants to fast track it, except google of course, and a few politicians. Basically, the people pushing it are nefarious enough to be reason alone to walk away from it at any and every opportunity. Remember the whole Y2K scares ? This is much the same. Ho, hum. ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] Glasscoder icecast/shoutcast V1
I am amazed at how slow the adoption of IPv6 has been. There has been a working set of specs and hardware for almost 2 decades. I don't know of anything built in the last decade that wasn't IPv6 capable. There haven't been IPv4 addresses available for 3 or so years. The only thing I can imagine is that there is some market force at work that is slowing it down. Like all the big carriers that have all the v4 address space have too much control of ICAN. They've made some pretty stupid rules around getting v6 address space. Not at all what you'd expect if you wanted to fast track v6 adoption. G - Bill On 8/20/19 8:00 AM, Fred Gleason wrote: On Tue, 2019-08-20 at 14:35 +0200, Gabriele Fergola wrote: Today I tried to pass ipv4 instead of the name and all was working perfectly so probably glasscoder is not managing well ipv6. Is it possible? Possible - and even likely! I've honestly never tried it with IPv6. Cheers! |-| | Frederick F. Gleason, Jr. | Chief Developer | | | Paravel Systems | |-| | A room without books is like a body without a soul. | | | | -- Cicero | |-| ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev -- Bill Putney - WB6RFW District 2 Commissioner - Port of Port Townsend Chief Engineer - KPTZ El Jefe de Contenido - Port Townsend Film Festival Private Pilot-Single Engine Land | Airframe & Powerplant Mechanic / Inspection Authorization ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] PCI Audio Science Cards and HPI Drivers?
Where would anyone find a Windows machine these days? On 6/17/19 7:27 AM, Rob Landry wrote: If the card works in a Windows machine, then the problem isn't the card. Rob ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev -- Bill Putney - WB6RFW District 2 Commissioner - Port of Port Townsend Chief Engineer - KPTZ El Jefe de Contenido - Port Townsend Film Festival Private Pilot-Single Engine Land | Airframe & Powerplant Mechanic / Inspection Authorization ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] PCI Audio Science Cards and HPI Drivers?
Luckily... This is an installation in a short 1U server case. There is one expansion slot that lays across the motherboard. So, the extra height the the adapter adds (i got the same one suggested here) is not a problem. The foot of the card just hangs over the MB a little further. The first few Rivendell systems i built (10 years ago) for a digital environment used some garden variety USB to S/Pdif interfaces. They worked like magic. Bits in, bits out. No place for coloration or level issues. 0 dBFS stayed 0 dBFS. At some point the OS got upgraded and the drivers for S/Pdif got lost in the shuffel. Had to switch from the $25 USB adapter to the very expensive ASI card for no perceived performance advantage, except the drivers were available. But the one I'm building now is for a station that is all analog and they provided the interface card. I just have to make it work. :) Bill Putney District 2 Commissioner - Port of Port Townsend Chief Engineer - KPTZ El Jefe de Contenido - Port Townsend Film Festival Private Pilot-Single Engine Land | Airframe & Powerplant / Inspection Authorization > On Jun 16, 2019, at 18:56, David Klann wrote: > > Hey All! > >> On 6/16/19 7:14 PM, Rob Landry wrote: >>> On Sun, 16 Jun 2019, Bill Putney wrote: >>> >>> 1) Has anyone been successful using a PCIe bus to PCI adapter with an >>> ASI 65xx series audio card? The ASI 6520 card is PCI and the >>> motherboard only has PCIe slots. >> >> I didn't know such a tting existed. How does it physically fit in the >> available space ona typical PC? >> > > Just so I can add a bit to the discussion before I hijack this thread... > > Here's an example of a PCIe to PCI adapter: > https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16815158165 > >> ... >> >> Lately, I am finding ASI cards to be a major pain in the butt. There are >> some older cards that aren't supported by newer drivers, and some >> drivers require a minimum Linux kernel version that rules out CentOS 6, >> which is what I have to run on one particular system because it has a >> piece of hardware that more recent OS versions don't support. I am >> starting to wonder if ASI is more trouble than it's worth. >> > > Lately, I am finding that balanced analog audio cards are a pain in the > butt in general. Keeping up with PC motherboard connections (mini PCIe?) > and mismatched bus connector options on balanced audio cards seems like > a full time job in and of itself. Not to mention the cost of balanced > audio cards. > > I'm starting to think that a 100% digital audio chain is the best way to > go. And with clients for whom cost is a factor (most of my Community > Radio clients), just go with the on-board audio and use something like > an Angry Audio Balancing Gaget > (https://angryaudio.com/balancinggadgets/) or the Henry Engineering > equivalent. And there is always the plethora of USB audio devices. It > simply seems clumsy to be using these external devices just to get a > clean, multi-channel audio signal... > > We now return you to this thread, already in progress > > ~David Klann > > > ___ > Rivendell-dev mailing list > Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org > http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
[RDD] PCI Audio Science Cards and HPI Drivers?
A couple of questions. 1) Has anyone been successful using a PCIe bus to PCI adapter with an ASI 65xx series audio card? The ASI 6520 card is PCI and the motherboard only has PCIe slots. 2) Is there a way from a terminal to see if the system is seeing an ASI card? It doesn't show up as an audio interface in Rivendell but that could be hardware not there or drivers not installed. 3) Does the Paravel Broadcast Appliance have the HPI drivers already installed as part of the package or do they have to be loaded separately? Thanks, -- Bill Putney - WB6RFW District 2 Commissioner - Port of Port Townsend Chief Engineer - KPTZ El Jefe de Contenido - Port Townsend Film Festival Private Pilot-Single Engine Land | Airframe & Powerplant Mechanic / Inspection Authorization ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] Github being "assimilated" by the evil empire of Redmond
I've been following this thread a little and a few things come to mind. Once you get deep down in bugville it takes a nerd to figure things out. If it's a *nix nerd, could be anyone and since there are "man pages", about anyone can figure out most things on their own. If it's Windoz nerd, they have to have gone to the M$ certification training and have taken generous doses of Redmond supplied Cool-Aid®. There is nowhere for you to find out those "secrets" to help yourself. Most people get all frustrated by *nix because it gives you the tools to try to help yourself. Fixing a difficult problem can be hard. If you have a similar bug in Windows most people try never try to fix it themselves, and so, are frustrated by the support system not the operating system. If you just apply a Windows user perspective on *nix system use, all will be well. Immediately upon encountering a problem, through up your hands and find a nerd to fix it. As for Rivendell... It's really a pretty mature product. For all the things it does it can be compared in complexity to the Office suite. You can buy a Paravel appliance with the hardware and software ready to plug and play. Or, you can buy/build your own hardware system and use the Rivendell Appliance LiveCD and the most complex issue you'll have to deal with is what timezone you're in. If you pay for support from Paravel, it is the least expensive thing you'll pay for at a broadcast station. Why wouldn't you do that, even if you are a nerd? Paravel spends a lot of time and energy keeping Rivendell up to snuff and adding features. Why wouldn't you want them to stay a healthy business enterprise? If you want to live on the bleeding edge by trying to setup and operate one of the many excellent ports of Rivendell, you have to accept some of the risk/rewards that brings. But, you're way outside what a user could even start to attempt in the Windows world. Attempts to make Rivendell "better" by porting it to Windows ignores a lot about how Windows is supported. Are you ever going to find a nerd that can help you support your Windows port of Rivendell? You're way past pointing fingers at Redmond at that point. Bill Putney - WB6RFW District 2 Commissioner - Port of Port Townsend Chief Engineer - KPTZ El Jefe de Contenido - Port Townsend Film Festival Private Pilot-Single Engine Land | Airframe & Powerplant Mechanic / Inspection Authorization On 6/4/18 6:47 AM, Cowboy wrote: On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 05:58:33 -0700 Mike Carroll wrote: WSL = Windows Subsystem for Linux. Optional free component of Windows that provides a fully compatible *command-line* Ubuntu system. Other distros are potentially available, depending on their maintainers. Al sent me the URL, so now I know. I can see where WSL could be used for the services part of Rivendell, but not the graphic displays? I still think not, because... On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 3:30 AM Cowboy wrote: 2. Rivendell uses certain file system attributes that M$ not only lacks, but explicitly subverts, so I don't see how this would even be possible ? ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] Audio problem HP machine
Some newer computers have OS locks in the BIOS. You may need to go in and change some settings there for your desktop machine for the Linux OS to boot and start the install. Did you configure your audio devices for Rivendell? I don't remember there being defaults. Laptop peripheral chip sets are sometimes problematic. They don't always use the common variety drivers. Check the hardware compatibility lists for drivers. You want a driver that supports ALSA. https://www.linux-drivers.org/ Bill Putney - WB6RFW District 2 Commissioner - Port of Port Townsend Chief Engineer - KPTZ El Jefe de Contenido - Port Townsend Film Festival Private Pilot-Single Engine Land | Airframe & Powerplant / Inspection Authorization On 3/31/18 8:01 AM, admin@catronscreekfm.online wrote: Our station is planning a switch from Windows 10 based RadioDJ software to Rivendell. I burned the LiveCD for RRAbuntu and tried to boot it on a HP desktop and had no luck. It progressed to just a blank screen and sat there for hours. I took the liveCD and booted on a HP laptop fine. Except for one problem. No audio. Can someone point me to a post that discusses audio problems with HP machines? Many Thanks! ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] Guidance on remote machine access
James, We use rsync to sync the /var/snd directories in our servers. Syncing the databases is a little more complicated. If you have the network bandwidth, running a single primary database would be best. Make all they quires to that database. You can do a daily snapshot of the database to keep the standby database server mostly up to date in case of a complete network failure. Also, since Fred implemented keeping a checksum of the audio files in the database, I'd run a periodic consistency check to make sure there hasn't been any corruption in the audio files. There are a couple ways to set up the firewalls with respect to network traffic that isn't between VPN connected sites. One is to allow each site access to the Internet for non-associated sites and only run the site to site traffic over the VPN. That gives sites the fastest access to non-associated Internet sites. The other way is to send all the traffic of a subsidiary site back to the main site before it goes out on the Internet to non-associated sites. That is a choice that is made for various reasons. The main site might have better restriction controls for Internet access. Their may be a concern about an attack that traffic analysis would play a part in. You can exercise QOS based prioritization if all the traffic going to and from a site is kept within the VPN. Traffic presented to the public Internet doesn't carry QOS so incoming traffic could delay database responses or any live audio you might be transporting. Bill Putney - WB6RFW District 2 Commissioner - Port of Port Townsend Chief Engineer - KPTZ El Jefe de Contenido - Port Townsend Film Festival Private Pilot-Single Engine Land | Airframe & Powerplant / Inspection Authorization On 2/27/18 9:37 PM, ija...@jamcorbroadcast.com wrote: Bill Thanks for bringing this subject on the Forum. we have a similar situation and we are looking to have some solution. Maybe you want to have your edge router setup VPN for your Rivendell So you will have access like the machine is in your current location. I think You have can the edge routers ignor any traffic except the addressees you list in the firewall. James I am interested how you have the 2 rivendell's synced. we are getting ready to build a master server and playout Can you Sen me some info on how you did your 2 servers to work together. Thanks On 2018-02-05 10:47, Bill Putney wrote: We use PFSense software on PC hardware. PFSense implements several different VPN arrangements but we are using IP/SEC since it is one of the very few that hasn't been hacked. Some one I know was looking at Ubiquiti Cloud Key remote and I did a search for exploits and it has been listed as having "Critical" level hacks. Not sure about their edge routers but you should search for exploits for whatever equipment you use that interfaces the Internet. Bill Putney - WB6RFW District 2 Commissioner - Port of Port Townsend Chief Engineer - KPTZ El Jefe de Contenido - Port Townsend Film Festival Private Pilot-Single Engine Land | Airframe & Powerplant / Inspection Authorization On 2/5/18 3:48 AM, Andy Higginson wrote: This is probably going off at a slight tangent but I was looking at Ubiquiti EdgeRouters over the weekend. They might be an interesting option for getting things up and running for VPN work. It is often said that you should keep your office network and music network separate. However, if you are trying to access the Rivendell machines remotely, you need to have internet access to them, even if it is through a VPN. The Edgerouters (even the cheapest model the lite) have multiple subnets and routing on them. The lite comes with 3 ports - eth0 for the WAN, eth1 for LAN 192.168.101.x and eth2 for LAN 192.168.102.x. Now I don't know what routing it does between ports eth1 and eth2 but it does seem to me that you could use this to allow both of the station networks to access the internet via this router. It also has the ability to run a VPN as well so you should be able to access the Music network from the outside world. How well they run and how they would perform in this context is not something that I would know. However I would be interested if anyone has some input. https://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgerouter-lite/ https://www.smallnetbuilder.com/lanwan/lanwan-reviews/33111-ubiquiti-edgerouter-lite-revisited Of course, one of the things with getting a VPN up and running is that you could use this for storing a remote off site backup with a NAS drive. That's something for another discussion. Andy On Mon, 05 Feb 2018 10:06:45 + JAMES GREENLEE <ja...@madsonics.com> wrote Isn't this what the Server/Client model is all about? In our deployment, our main studio is located in another town from the owner and myself. There's a "server" at the main studio (which is also the active RDAirPlay host), and workstations at both my location and the owners locat
Re: [RDD] Guidance on remote machine access
We use PFSense software on PC hardware. PFSense implements several different VPN arrangements but we are using IP/SEC since it is one of the very few that hasn't been hacked. Some one I know was looking at Ubiquiti Cloud Key remote and I did a search for exploits and it has been listed as having "Critical" level hacks. Not sure about their edge routers but you should search for exploits for whatever equipment you use that interfaces the Internet. Bill Putney - WB6RFW District 2 Commissioner - Port of Port Townsend Chief Engineer - KPTZ El Jefe de Contenido - Port Townsend Film Festival Private Pilot-Single Engine Land | Airframe & Powerplant / Inspection Authorization On 2/5/18 3:48 AM, Andy Higginson wrote: This is probably going off at a slight tangent but I was looking at Ubiquiti EdgeRouters over the weekend. They might be an interesting option for getting things up and running for VPN work. It is often said that you should keep your office network and music network separate. However, if you are trying to access the Rivendell machines remotely, you need to have internet access to them, even if it is through a VPN. The Edgerouters (even the cheapest model the lite) have multiple subnets and routing on them. The lite comes with 3 ports - eth0 for the WAN, eth1 for LAN 192.168.101.x and eth2 for LAN 192.168.102.x. Now I don't know what routing it does between ports eth1 and eth2 but it does seem to me that you could use this to allow both of the station networks to access the internet via this router. It also has the ability to run a VPN as well so you should be able to access the Music network from the outside world. How well they run and how they would perform in this context is not something that I would know. However I would be interested if anyone has some input. https://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgerouter-lite/ https://www.smallnetbuilder.com/lanwan/lanwan-reviews/33111-ubiquiti-edgerouter-lite-revisited Of course, one of the things with getting a VPN up and running is that you could use this for storing a remote off site backup with a NAS drive. That's something for another discussion. Andy On Mon, 05 Feb 2018 10:06:45 + *James Greenlee <ja...@madsonics.com>* wrote Isn't this what the Server/Client model is all about? In our deployment, our main studio is located in another town from the owner and myself. There's a "server" at the main studio (which is also the active RDAirPlay host), and workstations at both my location and the owners location. All of our networks (two home locations, the main studio, and translator sites), are linked together with VPNs across the internet. The good: We don't have to drive 30 miles to the main studio to make schedule changes or add/remove content from the Rivendell system. The bad: It's painfully slow doing anything in Rivendell that's not on a local LAN. There are no issues with all of the Rivendell systems running at the same time provided you don't work on the same thing from two different locations. Even if you do though, the last change would win. With the remote workstations, we're able to maintain content, create and edit clocks/logs, pull reports...Pretty much everything you can do locally with Rivendell, it's just slower. The speed penalty is due to network latency. Two things we use to make this easier for us: a NAS (with NFS mounts for the Rivendell Server), and an IP KVM (from Avocent) that gives us a remote console to the Rivendell box for operating it as if we were right there in the studio. The "glue" that makes this all happen is the VPN. There are volumes written on VPNs, network security, remote access technologies and they go far beyond the scope of Rivendell itself. I would not recommend running a VPN directly on the Rivendell host and instead build up a VPN on your network router, or use a VPN service to tie your networks together. Keep in mind your security requirements and trust between your partners network and your own (in a site-to-site VPN, any computer on either side of the VPN has access to all network devices on all VPN end-points). James - Original Message - From: "Cowboy" <c...@cwf1.com <mailto:c...@cwf1.com>> To: "Rivendell-Dev" <rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org <mailto:rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org>> Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 1:47:01 PM Subject: Re: [RDD] Guidance on remote machine access On Saturday 03 February 2018 12:07:20 pm Rich Lawrence wrote: > Hello all. > I have a partner helping with my streaming station and I would like him to be able to access the main database, which is housed at my location, from a remote machine at his location. > This
[RDD] Why is it so?
Why is it that; wget --post-data 'user=_/username/_=_/password/_' http://www.xyz.org/downloads/Current.mp3 does exactly what you think it should do in OS X but gets an error message back from the web server and stores it in WCL_Current.mp3 instead of the audio when executed in a Rivendell (Broadcast Appliance) terminal window? Using the Firefox browser on the same Rivendell machine and filling in the username and password in the pop-up then right-click and save always works. It seems to be the same kind of broken that happens with RDCatch with this same download. Then when RDCatch tries to import it into a cart it complains about it not being a valid audio file <doh!>. Trying to work around broken RDCatch but maybe it's not RDCatch but a system call that's broken. Thanks, Bill Putney - WB6RFW District 2 Commissioner - Port of Port Townsend Chief Engineer - KPTZ El Jefe de Contenido - Port Townsend Film Festival Private Pilot-Single Engine Land | Airframe & Powerplant / Inspection Authorization ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] Rivendell v2.16.0
Thank you Fred! Does the update automagically to add a hash to the db for preexisting audio files or do we have to run a routine to do that? Bill Putney - WB6RFW Chief Engineer KPTZ - Port Townsend, WA PP-SEL/A I'm running for Port Commissioner. If you're interested: http://PutneyForThePort.VOTE On 6/2/17 5:47 AM, Fred Gleason wrote: On behalf of the entire Rivendell development team, I'm pleased to announce the availability of Rivendell v2.16.0. Rivendell is a full-featured radio automation system targeted for use in professional broadcast environments. It is available under the GNU General Public License. From the NEWS file: *** snip snip *** Changes: Audio Store Hashing. Rivendell now automatically generates a SHA1 hash for each file in the audio store and records this value in the database, thus permitting automated recovery of audio in the event of loss or damage to the audio store's filesystem directory. See the --relink-audio option in the rddbcheck(8) man page for details. Kernel GPIO. Added switcher support for Kernel GPIO devices, such as the GPIO interface on the Raspberry Pi 2 and 3. Modbus TCP. Added switcher support for Modbus TCP devices. RDConvert. Added an rdconvert(1) utility, User Authentication. It is now possible to delegate authentication of Rivendell users by means of a PAM module, thus permitting 'single sign-on' integration with systems such as ActiveDirectory and FreeIPA. Web API. Added various methods to the Rivendell Web API to permit integration with external audio and log editors. Various other bug fixes. See the ChangeLog for details. Database Update: This version of Rivendell uses database schema version 263, and will automatically upgrade any earlier versions. To see the current schema version prior to upgrade, see RDAdmin->SystemInfo. As always, be sure to run RDAdmin immediately after upgrading to allow any necessary changes to the database schema to be applied. *** snip snip *** Further information, screenshots and download links are available at: http://www.rivendellaudio.org <http://www.rivendellaudio.org/> Cheers! |--| | Frederick F. Gleason, Jr. | Chief Developer | | | Paravel Systems | |--| | I look at it this way: if the station doesn't receive at least one | | bomb threat a week, it means that we're not reaching our audience. | | -- Keith Leach | |--| ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] Considering 2 very different hardware platforms for new rdAirPlay machines....
Kirk, Can we assume you are using LiveWire for audio interfaces? I'm building a mobile studio Rivendell standalone using a Qutom fanless with a 2.0 GHz quad-core Intel Celeron processor, 8GB of memory, 16GB of SSD and 1 - 10/100/1G Ethernet. They consume 10W at 12VDC and they come with a US power supply. I'm buying them right from Qotom in China. The price was $175 plus shipping from China ($26 + $9 transfer fee). You can get lots of different add-ons but this configuration should be plenty for a client. Since there are no moving parts it should last until the capacitors dry out. I think the NUCs of an equivalent horsepower are a little more money but they should work as clients. For my mobile studio I'm using a USB3 3TB disk drive to store the audio. I have an Asus touch screen to attach to it. Should be a fun box. For the mobile studio I can't use LiveWire so I'm going with a Pevey USB-P to interface to the mobile studio's analog board. The Optiplex computers are really enterprise class. You could just replace the disks with SSD's and replace the fans. There's plenty of horsepower in the Optiplexs. People are running Rivendell on Raspberry Pi's. Bill Putney - WB6RFW Chief Engineer KPTZ - Port Townsend, WA PP-SEL/A I'm at it again... Running for Port Director. If you're interested: http://PutneyForThePort.VOTE On 5/19/17 10:50 AM, Kirk Harnack wrote: Dear braintrust, Please direct me elsewhere if this has been discussed and answered already; I'm new to this list. I'm currently running 5 radio stations, using Rivendell in a server/client setup. The client machines (running rdAirPlay) are some refurbished Dell Optiplex PCs. They're now almost 3 years older than when we put them online in this role. No serious issues yet, but I feel they're getting old and they're perhaps a bit underpowered. I'm considering going in one of two directions. 1. Using refurbished Dell R610 server-grade hardware. Nice-looking ones are about $200 on ebay, with all the rack-mount hardware. They sport dual power supplies. They come with one hard drive of 146 GB. I could add a 2nd and RAID them. They're very noisy, but they'll go in a rack room. Hard to imagine the noise of 5 of them, however. 2. Go with an Intel NUC-style platform. No fans. Likely enough horsepower. Cost more (as they're new, not refurb); indeed, the ones I seem to need are about $500 each. I would need to get NUCs that have 2 NICs, as we use an Axia network in addition to our Rivendell network - and we keep them separate. Perhaps someone could point me to a known-good model that costs closer to $200 or $300? I like the robustness of the Dell R610's, they're easy availability, and the likelihood of parts availability for some time. I do not like the size and noise. I like the NUC-style machines for their low power consumption, quietness, and that they'd be new. As the role for these is simply to run rdAirPlay, grabbing files over the network from the rdServer, seems the hard drive doesn't need to be large. Thoughts? Thanks! Kirk -- Kirk A. Harnack, CBRE, CBNE k...@harnack.com <mailto:k...@harnack.com> http://twitter.com/kharnack https://www.facebook.com/kharnack http://www.youtube.com/kharnack ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] Building a music library.
On the other hand... If all your source material is 44.1 already and you're broadcast medium is constrained to 15 KHz, then using the extra time to transcode 44.1 source material to 48 when you rip and using the extra disk space seems a little silly. The audio from the 44.1 source is never going to get better even if you used 96 Ksps to store it. On the other hand, now that 4TB disk drives are under $150, why would you ever compress your source material? I'll just take longer to rip and encode and, if you use lossy compression, you'd never want to use it for production again. The only place we use compression is for our station's 24/7/365 audio log. We keep a full year of stereo audio on a 3TB disk compressed with Apple lossless compression. Bill Putney - WB6RFW Chief Engineer KPTZ - Port Townsend, WA PP-SEL/A "...you know me to be a very smart man. Don't you think if I were wrong, I'd know it?" -Sheldon Cooper On 4/28/17 7:22 AM, Lorne Tyndale wrote: Hi, I do agree with what Andy's said. To add a few thoughts: 1. On the 44.1/48 question, the only time I'd use 44.1 in this day and age is if 44.1 has already previously been set as a standard in a facility or there is some other compelling reason to use 44.1 (for example, some sound cards won't support 48, but in that case if you have a sound card that won't do 48 my recommendation would be to find a better sound card). Otherwise use 48. You can always convert down to 44.1 later if there is the need. 2. While Rivendell does have the ability to store audio files in compressed mp2 format, due to the fact that hard disk space is relatively cheap these days, I'd stick with linear PCM. No point compressing those audio files. 3. If you do - despite recommendations to avoid it - decide to use mp2, then use the highest bitrate option 4. It is certainly possible to do batch imports with Dropboxes and such - where Rivendell will automagically import audio into its music library / database from either an audio file, ripping directly from CD to the library, etc. You can do this and you'll end up with a functional music library in Rivendell. However it is worth considering that the best sounding stations out there are the ones where a producer in a production studio has gone through and listened to every track, set things such as the segue and talk markers, custom-tweaked the audio so it will sound best after it has gone through the audio chain being used on air at the station, etc. Of course this does take a skilled producer - one who is intimately familiar with the sound of the station, what effects the audio chain being used can have on the audio, and what listens expect, etc. It takes a lot of time and effort to go through every track this way, while this used to be a standard practice in the industry, these days many stations don't bother with the time and effort. Lorne Tyndale Hi, As you say, this is a major undertaking, so you need to get this right from the beginning. You don't want to be making any mistakes. My tips would have to be. 1) Make sure you start off at the right bit rate. Do you use 44100 or 48000? Part of this will depend on how you are going to be using the audio. Will you be feeding other kit (mixers etc) in the digital domain? IE is your output SPDIF, AES/EBU, Livewire etc? If so, it will be worth you using 48k. Don't just think about what you use now. 2 years down the line you don't want to be having to convert the library to a different bit rate. 2) Check your audio sources. TWIRT did a very good programme that covered this issue. They were saying that a song might have been released on a large number of different CDs. These include remastered versions of Albums, but also on compilation CDs. However, the quality of the master used may vary. For instance, the quality of a track on a compilation album might be really bad in comparison to getting that track from an original release of the bands album. Another issue that you have with CDs is that a lot of the so called "Remastered" releases have been dynamically compressed as part of the loudness wars, and will be totally rubbish compared to the original release. That is not to say that all Remastered CDs are bad. In fact some are positively great. 3) Do not use MP3s (or AAC etc). These are lossy formats. You WILL lose some of original quality of the recording. Also, if your output goes through a codec before it hits the listener then you might get the issue with multiple compression / decompression stages. Where an MP3 sounds OK in the studio, it might go through another couple of compression / decompression stages before it hits the listener and by this time it sounds awful. 4) Pace yourself. Don't overdo it. There is a limit to how much you can do in one session before you start making silly mistakes with the markers (Start / End / Talktime / Segue). There are probably many more tips,
[RDD] Peavey USB-P
Has anyone tried using a Peavey USB-P as an output device for Rivendell? Bill Putney - WB6RFW Chief Engineer KPTZ - Port Townsend, WA PP-SEL/A "...you know me to be a very smart man. Don't you think if I were wrong, I'd know it?" -Sheldon Cooper ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
[RDD] ASUS VT207N Touch Screen
Has anyone tried the ASUS VT207N touch screen display with Rivendell? Curious to know if it works, what the limitations and gotchas are. Thanks, -- Bill Putney - WB6RFW Chief Engineer KPTZ - Port Townsend, WA PP-SEL/A "...you know me to be a very smart man. Don't you think if I were wrong, I'd know it?" -Sheldon Cooper ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] RDCatch normalize above -1dB?
Simon, 0 dB in Rivendell is 0 dBFS (Full Scale) the highest value that can be represented digitally. 0 dBFS is +18 dBVU (or +20 if you're SMTPE). So the default normalization Rivendell uses (-13 dBFS) is already +5 dBVU. To go to +3 dBFS you need to make a 16 bit AtoD converter take 17 bits. Bill Putney - WB6RFW Chief Engineer KPTZ - Port Townsend, WA PP-SEL/A "...you know me to be a very smart man. Don't you think if I were wrong, I'd know it?" -Sheldon Cooper > On Nov 8, 2016, at 13:09, Simon Frech <si...@kmud.org> wrote: > > We download a program that’s always lower volume than it should be. The most > I can normalize in RDCatch is -1. Is there any way to set that to something > like +3 dB? > > Simon > > ___ > Rivendell-dev mailing list > Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org > http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] Rivendell Website
I'd suggest the Broadcast Appliance version of Rivendell from Paravel systems. You can find it at http://www.paravelsystems.com/rivendell-broadcast-appliance/ . It is a LiveCD and includes the Centos Linux distro. Put a CD or thumb drive in a PC and you have Rivendell in an hour or so. It requires a 64 bit computer with at least 512 GB of disk. I think 4 or 8 GB of memory would be good though I don't think the install script checks that. It will install a several different flavors of Rivendell depending on if you want a stand alone client/server or just a client. The server keeps the audio storage and the database for the audio. The client does the most of the work, has the user interface and does the playout of audio. Bill Putney - WB6RFW Chief Engineer KPTZ - Port Townsend, WA PP-SEL/A "...you know me to be a very smart man. Don't you think if I were wrong, I'd know it?" -Sheldon Cooper On 10/30/16 9:47 PM, Michael Barnes wrote: I was recommending Rivendell to a radio station for their possible use. When I went to the RD home page, http://www.rivendellaudio.org/, I found the page was sorely outdated. The requirements section still listed SuSE 9.x and some of the other info was old as well. Kind of makes it hard to promote if the website is almost ten years old. Any plans for someone to bring it up to date? Michael BTW, I fat fingered the address first time I entered it and accidentally found the rivendellaudio.com <http://rivendellaudio.com> domain is available for 12 easy payments of $175 or a one-time payment of $2095! ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
[RDD] Has anyone tried the Juli@ XTe is the PCIe audio card yet?
It looks pretty cool and the price is attractive (~$200). Has balanced analog IO and S/PDIF digital in and out. Says it is Compatible with Linux (ALSA) for what that's worth. BIll ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
[RDD] Automated Rippers?
Now that robotic CD handlers have come down out of the stratosphere price-wise, I was wondering if anyone has experimented with one to rip material for Rivendell? I guess I see this happening on a Mac or PC outputting some metadata tagged intermediate file format that RDimport can deal with (like FLAC). It seems to me that Fred G. once told me that Rivendell could deal with metadata in Chart Chunk but I don't know of a ripper that really knows how to store stuff that way. Personally I'd be really happy to have 44.1 Ksps/16 bit PCM Stereo files without any intermediate conversion but that seems to be problematic from the metadata transport perspective. The other question about automatic ripping is, does anyone know of a ripper that can make and exception list of the missing metadata? Since we have to deal with SoundExchange royalty reports, having an automated ripper rip 100 CD's with missing metadata creates a mess that's a hassle to clean up. I want to go look in each file to see if all the required the data is there. Better to have a .csv file that shows what metadata was collected and what's missing for the rip run. Then it's easier to go back and clean it up. I was looking at this handler from Acronova. Anyone have any others that are in the price range that has worked in a Rivendell importing scheme they've worked out? Acronova Nimbie http://www.acronova.com/product/auto-blu-ray-duplicator-publisher-ripper-nimbie-usb-nb21/9/review.html Bill ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] FLAC support
Oops... On 7/1/13 9:05 AM, Bill Putney wrote: We have a 2TB RAID-Z1 array here at KPTZ. Storage went to about 1.2TB pretty early. That represents about 25,000 carts/cuts. We do a lot of 1 and 2 hour locally produced talk and special interest programs here. Those programs only stay in the automation server as long as they are likely to be played. The original material is kept in off-line long term archival storage and taken out of the automation server. There is some creep but I think it's going to be a while before we get to 2TB. We're using AV rated WD drives. They are intended to spin 24 x 7 and we've had the original set spinning for almost 3 years. One of the things that's hard on drives are starts. Since the server is hardly ever cold re-started the drives will probably last a long time. We have a backup server with a 3TB RAID-Z array we rsync every night with the automation system. 2TB drives are about the sweet spot now and they are in the $80 to $150 range depending on sales and promotions. A mirrored set (2TB) or a RAID-5 or RAID-Z1 set (4TB) will be in the $160 to $450 ball park. Fred probably gets more than that for an hour of programming time. ;) Bill On 7/1/13 8:30 AM, James Harrison wrote: On 01/07/13 02:54, Max Goldstein, Operations Director wrote: Hi all, Sorry if this has come up before, but we're interested in moving our WAV library to FLAC at some point for the space savings. Last I heard Rivendell didn't support FLAC natively or something like that. Can someone please clarify: 1. What is the status of using FLAC for cut encodings? 2. If the above answer is not full support, what needs to be done to get there? How difficult would it be? 3. What are the thoughts of the Rivendell community on the priority of supporting FLAC? (E.g. how often does the issue come up?) It's come up a few times but the prevaling mood is largely Storage is cheap, audio is relatively small, even for WAV. It's a big rewrite of the playout daemon to add support so with these combined - it's not likely to happen. Seriously though, storage is cheap. I have 16TB in RAID6+1 at home just for TV/movies. Even the smallest radio stations should be able to throw together a RAID1/10/6 array of a few terabytes on a budget. ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] Fwd: Re: FLAC support
Andy, I wonder how you'd convert to FLAC and imbed the metadata from they library you have. You'd have to get the data out of the RD database and put it in the FLAC header? That's a big conversion job on it's own. I think RD will let you have chart-chunk metadata in sound files, it just won't do anything with it. I don't know what if any badness would accrue if you did a file by file header update. I don't think RD keeps track of a checksum of the sound files. So long as you don't change the length of the audio payload. The files would probably end up in different inodes when you wrote them back but I don't think RD cares about that either. RD seems to want all the audio files in one flat directory. While you can do symbolic links to other volumes as subdirectories under /var/snd and individual audio files could live on other subdirectories symbolically linked back into /var/snd there isn't a way to divide it out systematically. Right now you have a group named music (for instance) and it has a file number range. When you rip a CD RD tries to use the next available file number in that range. Hypothetically, RD could be changed so that the range could include a volume name prefix. All the audio file references in RD would have to change to reflect that change or at least the database would have to return the full (or a /var/snd relative) path name for each audio cut. You could keep every audio file name unique within RD and have everything do a table look up to find the path for that file name. That would include the subdirectory. I don't know of a linux hack that would allow directory partitioning by leading character string without a delimiter. I suppose no one ever thought there'd be a use for it. Bill On 7/1/13 10:53 AM, Andy Sayler wrote: On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Bill Putney bi...@wwpc.com mailto:bi...@wwpc.com wrote: Andy, I'm curious, what's on those 300,000 tracks? We have a pretty eclectic music mix here. Everything from Roma and Tribal to Hip-hop and Classical. With 25,000 cuts there's still a good percentage of those cuts that have never been played. 12 TB is about 18,460 hours of wav audio. You can play 24 hours a day for about 2 years before you have to replay a piece of music. You'll have about 3 years of music before the existing disk runs out. With a little housekeeping that could last you for another couple of years. We're a freeform station and we've ripped all of our existing collections (CDs in every genre over the span of about 25 years) as well all new incoming CDs. We do curate the collection (with an approximately 50% reject rate), but since we're a freeform station, we keep pretty much anything of significance in any genre. It's less about what gets played and more about what somebody might want to play someday. An easier to implement solution might be to ask to be able to have /var/snd be able to be split across multiple volumes. Maybe by track range or by group. Then you could add another volume of 16TB on an external USB3 drive array as a second volume. It's one more indirection from the track name in the data base or if the volumes were all sub-directories of /var/snd a volume prefix could be added to the track number in the db. I agree that RD support for libraries spread across multiple directories might be nice. Although it would cause issues in terms of managing which directory new music goes to. Most file systems, etc allow some form of aggregation for multiple back-end disks into a single virtual front-end partition, so there are ways to do that without requiring native RD support. But like I said, the issue is more one of metadata and widely usebale format compatibility than one of pure storage space. ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] Two studios
We have at KPTZ. We have a a main air studio and a production studio. They both have Rivendell client playout machines. When we do maintenance in the air studio we frequently load the same log in the production studio's Rivendell machine and start that one playing in as close to sync as we can get it. Then the cutover between the two studios is seamless on the air. In our case we only have one transmitter to feed but there's no reason the second Rivendell machine couldn't just as easily be feeding a separate Internet stream, an AM transmitter or other audio sink. Bill On 4/25/13 10:21 PM, Jay Eames wrote: Hi guys, Has anyone used Rivendell in a setup where there is more than one live studio available? As in, where either studio can be used for the live output, and each studio has it's own playout machine, and they both share the same log? Jay -- There are 2 kinds of people in the world; Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] Voip Based Call Manager
I keep encouraging Fred Gleason to spend some time on CallCommander. That could be a really cool VoIP/AoIP broadcast call manager. Bill On 4/21/13 9:55 PM, Lee Baker wrote: Hi all, just wondering if anyone knows of any open source voip based call managers like Phonebox? Have been trying to find a nice solution for this. Cheers Lee ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] Best distro for Rivendell
I've bought a lot of 64 bit dual core Dell desktops for under $200. They are some of the acoustically quiet machines I've ever come across and they are a quality product. They're corporate pull outs and have always been in very good shape. SATA controllers with CD/DVD drives. They seem to come with pretty small drives but that's been fine since we use a NAS for /var/snd. I get mine from RE-PC in Seattle but I'm pretty sure this sort of place is arround in most major metro areas. Bill On 4/10/13 5:54 AM, Alan Peterson wrote: I started out a few years ago on an old version of the 32-bit appliance, which I'm not sure is still around or in active development. The hardware world moved ahead to 64-bit and so did RD, which isn't a bad idea; trying to do modern things on 10-year-old hardware will just lead to problems. A few days ago, I posted that I found a source of 64-bit refurbs for under $200 per machine, allowing me to run the latest and greatest version of RD on ultra-affordable iron. This to me is the way to go. But if 32-bit is still where its at for many users, RRAbuntu is the likeliest default to consider. -ap ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] Music Scheduling Software
Paravel was at NAB last year. I kind of assume they are there this time too. If you happen to be at NAB stop by their booth and talk to Fred Gleason. He knows it inside and out. If you have a good argument for a change or enhancement I've found him to be very receptive. Bill On 4/5/13 1:43 PM, Morten Krarup Nielsen wrote: I think that Rivendell only needs a few more features, before you can use it for music scheduling too. One thing that annoys me is this: I play one A-rotation per hour, and I have five songs in the A-rotation category. I've set title separation to a little less than five hours. This way Train, Bruises should be played at 0:30, 5:30, 10:30 and so on, on Monday, and on 1:30, 6:30 and 11:30 on Tuesday. This is easy to get working on other systems, as long as you've done the math. However in Rivendell, this only works for Monday, because on Tuesday the same song is often played on the same time - Rivendell doesn't calculate title separation over midnight (when changing log). If this was changed, I wouldn't have to buy an external scheduler. Kind regards, Morten 2013/4/5 Cowboy c...@cwf1.com mailto:c...@cwf1.com On Friday 05 April 2013 12:57:17 pm Alan Peterson wrote: I've never asked, but wouldn't it be a trip if she could be convinced to re-release it as an open-source product? I know Donna. If I think of it, maybe I will ask ! -- Cowboy http://cowboy.cwf1.com It is illegal to drive more than two thousand sheep down Hollywood Boulevard at one time. ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org mailto:Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] Music Scheduling Software
I seem to get to NAB about once every 20 years. Last year was my year. Have fun in Vegas! Bill On 4/5/13 7:58 PM, Fred Gleason wrote: On Apr 5, 2013, at 16:57 56, Morten Krarup Nielsen wrote: Maybe Fred sees my suggestion and will consider it? Stephan is really the expert when it comes to the music scheduler. Perhaps he will chime in? Cheers! |-| | Frederick F. Gleason, Jr. | Chief Developer | | | Paravel Systems | |-| | A room without books is like a body without a soul.| | -- Cicero | |-| ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] Academia --- RD in NYC
I just have to say... This whole _/Linux/Unix == Hard to understand thing/_ is B.S.! People just psych themselves out with all that. Mac OS X is Unix although very well hidden beneath an Apple-esque user interface. Microsoft has always said that Windows is a POSIX compliant OS but it's so obfuscated behind magical things that only Microsoft geeks are allowed to know that it is impossible for the average user to know anything about the OS below the GUI skin. By design Unix-like OS's are meant to be understood by anyone if the need arises. There are man (manual) pages for just about everything including the structure and meaning of operating system software routines (calls). Because someone knows something about a certain Unix implementation, they know something about a lot of the other ones. Even when the source code is not Open and not published, the majority of the information a casual developer needs is available in the man pages. When people use Windows they don't think about knowing about things more deeply than the user interface to an application like Word. It never occurs to them that they might get some benefit from knowing about the operating system part of Windows. Therefore: _/Windows == Easy/_. The fact that I can know something (or really about anything I want or need to know if I'm persistent) about Unix is a problem for the perception. If for instance someone asks me what's the easiest way to make this directory on the server visible on the desktop on one of our Apple iMac's I open a terminal window *cd* to the ~Desktop directory and use *ln* to make a symbolic link to the directory on the server. The directory magically appears on the desktop. Now comes the bad part. I could do that because at this level of things, the same Unix (now OS X) commands that were available to me in 1972 on SunOS are available to me here and they work about the same way. If they've changed a little, the information I need is in the man page right there in the terminal window. Of course once I do this the natural thing for the person watching me is to ask How did you do that? I proceed to tell them. Because I can even do this in Unix makes _/Unix == Hard/_. I'm sure there's an Apple GUI way to do that but I've got things to do and I probably will never learn it. I think the closest thing to it in Windows is the shortcut but that's a pretty clumsy equivalent. Apple and to an extent Ubuntu have made great strides in hiding the OS from innocent eyes. There's still a ways to go but it's come along to a point where I think 99% of users can ignore Unix like they do the Windows OS. If people are using Rivendell on a dedicated computer they never need to know it's not Windows. Just don't tell them. I would guess that less than 10% of the volunteer DJ's know that Rivendell is not running Windows. After all there is a Windows sticker on the Dell computer under the desk. If people never use anything but the applications that sit on top of a Unix system and never think about the OS underneath then _/Unix == Easy/_ too. They just have to lock their doors and never let anyone in their office that knows Unix insides and if they by accident find the command man in a terminal window someday, shut their computer down and go home early. It'll all be better in the morning. Bill On 3/5/13 3:39 PM, ltynd...@tyndaleweb.com wrote: Hi, I have to agree that Rivendell can be a good option for student / college / campus radio. I've talked to people within the student / campus / non profit radio sector about it and one thing that I do like to point out - a lot of stations that run on volunteer effort like to say that a benefit of being involved is that it gives real broadcast radio experience to the people involved. However all too often I then hear about the on-air / playout system built on top of things like Winamp and / or iTunes (or something similar). The reality is I don't know of any commercial / professional broadcast setting where iTunes, Winamp, etc is the primary playout engine. Rivendell on the other hand is a top-notch system used at both commercial and noncommercial stations around the world. I too have heard the linux concerns. This is probably the biggest challenge. A lot of people seem to be cautious of change, even though lately Microsoft has made major changes in each successive version of Windows (2000 to XP wasn't a big change, but XP to Vista then to 7 and now 8 have all involved some significant changes). For those who are okay with Linux, one area that would help for student / college radio would be a web-based system for log-creation and editing. There was one project I saw a while back looking at this, but at the moment there isn't a system for this included in the source (unless I've missed something). There are a lot of situations where a person will be putting together their radio show while sitting in a dorm-room (or anywhere for that
[RDD] Remote News Inserts?
Since we had a water main break downtown this morning... I was wondering how people handle remote news audio inserts. What I did was to record a news piece and sftp it to the automation server. I used VNC to make a new cart and insert the cart a few places in the automation log. This is fine for someone that has the capability and know how but it would be nice to have a way for news people to sftp an audio file to the studio and have it automatically inserted. Any ideas? Bill Putney - KPTZ ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] Remote News Inserts?
I've been thinking more about it. The dropbox is a possibility. I don't know what to do about timing things except that you'd put a slot for news items once an hour and if there wasn't an item it wouldn't play. Pad the logs so there is extra time then time-start the station ID at the top of the upcoming hour. Been thinking that there needs to be a web server for reporters with 2-factor authentication. They could file an item and check a box to air it. The station would have all the stories on a scrolling page and only the author and the news director could change it. There needs to be a start-end set when the item is filed and the system needs to handle killing the item when the end time comes. The web server could be outside the station and Rivendell could ftp to the server and get any audio that's there. The server would offer the automation system all the audio that's flagged for air. It would be like ftp'g a network program. Bill On 1/6/13 12:01 PM, VE4PER/ Andy wrote: On 06/01/13 18:16, Bill Putney wrote: Since we had a water main break downtown this morning... I was wondering how people handle remote news audio inserts. What I did was to record a news piece and sftp it to the automation server. I used VNC to make a new cart and insert the cart a few places in the automation log. This is fine for someone that has the capability and know how but it would be nice to have a way for news people to sftp an audio file to the studio and have it automatically inserted. Any ideas? Not a station here actually, but cudn't you upload to a dropbox and have it treated like any other recording left in dropbox? not sure how do get around length variances tho when no files were in dropbox if some sort of regular sked macro/cart was used to play dropbox contents Bill Putney - KPTZ ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] The Great Audio Voltage Debate quick ref chart
I should have added the caveat that the voltages vs. dBVU numbers are only really true for steady state sine wave single tones. :) Bill On 12/12/12 7:12 AM, Fred Gleason wrote: On Dec 11, 2012, at 23:15 41, Bill Putney wrote: Now we kinda get to voltages. 0dBVU is +4 dBM (1.23V RMS at 600 ohms) in pro systems. 0 dBVU is -10 dBV (.316V RMS). VU is a somewhat different animal, inasmuch as it deals with dynamics (originally defined by Ma Bell in terms of the ballistics of an actual physical meter) as well as absolute level. Cheers! |-| | Frederick F. Gleason, Jr. | Chief Developer | | | Paravel Systems | |-| | A room without books is like a body without a soul.| | -- Cicero | |-| ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] The Great Audio Voltage Debate quick ref chart
The 0 dBm spec is to make 1 mw into a 600 ohm load. in amplifiers without feedback the amplifiers would only make that level reliably when the source and load impedances matched. Come along the 1960's and integrated circuit amplifiers came into common use and they were almost always operational amplifiers. Early work with the use of solid state operational amplifiers in professional audio being pioneered by Bell Losmandy of OpAmp Labs in Hollywood. Operational amplifiers maintain their output voltage as a function of their input voltage and their feedback network design over a wide range of load impedances. Now it is common practice to spec 0 dBm (or +4) at as a voltage value equivalent to that power level when presented to a 600 ohm load. 0 dB means nothing without a reference point. dB values are logarithmic but the values for different measurements use different log functions (i.e. voltage referenced values are log20 and power referenced values are log10). 0dBFS is always a constant in any digital audio system. It's the highest level that the system can produce. It's the only thing you can count on and that makes it important. It's probably the only value anyone needs to talk about until bits are converted to the analog domain. At our station we don't do that til the audio gets inside a DSP at the transmitter so we don't worry much about all the transformations. The only place it's represented for anyone to look at is at the console VU meters and they are set to read 0 dBm when a constant level single tone sine wave is present at -20 dBFS on the program bus. Bill On 12/12/12 7:16 AM, Cowboy wrote: On Tuesday 11 December 2012 08:47:51 pm VE4PER/ Andy wrote: RMS is 0.775 and average is closer to 0.5 so be sure to compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges That one is telephone standard. Actually .7745966692... volts RMS, and that is in 600 ohms, so that is the original zero dbm. The apples to apples thing is SO important in this regard. Most professional audio gear these days has an output impedance that is very low, on the order of 45 ohms, and most pro gear has an input that is greater than 10K ohms, and while there is good reason for that, it also immediately means that our arbitrary db reference needs to be defined. Is it an apple, or is it an orange ? ( the actual output Z of the amps is closer to zero ohms, and the build-out resistors are there to avoid blowing amps ) (( and if you wire it wrong, that output Z can actually go negative !! )) .775V RMS in 600 ohms is exactly the same voltage as .775V RMS in 45 ohms, or 10K ohms, but the power is substantially different, and quite possibly the characteristics of the audio through it. 0db is not the same in 45 ohms as in 10K ohms. Or, is it ? This has little to do with program automation, but can have quite a bit to do with how it sounds. Of course, it's irrelevant when you play MP3's. ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] The Great Audio Voltage Debate quick ref chart
Nope, there are many cases were the relationships between voltages are expressed in dB (the consumer line level -10 dBV being just one) dB ratios for voltages are Log20 though. Bill On Dec 12, 2012, at 12:19, Rob Landry 41001...@interpring.com wrote: On Wed, 12 Dec 2012, Jay Ashworth wrote: Lots of non-pro gear interfaces with a 0 VU of, as you note, -10 dBV, which is, as you imply, *not* 14 dB lower, because the baselines are different - one is a power measurement which depends on the impedance; the other a voiltage measurement which does not. My understanding is that dB is always a measure of power ratio. 10 dB down means 1/10 the power. I think what's confusing is the use of dB to measure differences in voltage level. It's not meaningful unless the impedance is the same. For example, 1 volt RMS across 100 ohms is the same level as 1 volt across 1,000 ohms, but the ratio between the two cases is 10 dB. But bridge a high-impedance mixer input across either, and the meters will read the same (or close to the same; the addition of the input impedance in parallel with each resistor will change the ratio slightly). Maybe it's time we actually start calling a volt a volt. Rob ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] The Great Audio Voltage Debate quick ref chart
1.0 in Audacity is 0 dBFS. This has nothing to do with voltage. It has only a tenuous relationship to 0 dBVU. Various people use various values for 0 dBVU. Usually it's -18 (EBU recommendation) or -20 (AES recommendation) down from 0 dBFS. Now we kinda get to voltages. 0dBVU is +4 dBM (1.23V RMS at 600 ohms) in pro systems. 0 dBVU is -10 dBV (.316V RMS). Bill On Dec 11, 2012, at 17:47, VE4PER/ Andy ve4...@aim.com wrote: Noticed lengthy discussions on normalization and found this chart that might be of interest http://www.google.ca/url?sa=trct=jq=0%20dbmsource=webcd=4sqi=2ved=0CD4QFjADurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tecmag.com%2Fpdf%2Fdbm_v.pdfei=fN_HUK2TGIaE2gXlxoCgAQusg=AFQjCNEY25QxasGndqL5ZAXkYDCgFaB4KQcad=rja also this explanation I found useful http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DBm Audacity shows a scale with 1.0 as a max usually but that is PEAK only and is actually 2.0 VAC Peak to Peak RMS is 0.775 and average is closer to 0.5 so be sure to compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges I have a portable oscillator for aligning my mixer board and all other audio sections including the PC's but only have a standard digital multimeter and or a standard analog mutimeter neither of which are calibrated to read in db, dbv or dbm unlike a lot of pro audio test sets are so these relationships help to be able to use the basic meters to calibrate my systems; but one has to be very aware of the relationships and not to confuse, peak, peak-to-peak, average and RMS values in order to maintain a maximum peak range between -8 dbm and -12 dbm and still retain a further 4 db of additional headroom for protection. ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] Cart skipping in log
Jay, We've seen this quite a bit here. Not a lot in terms of total operating time but enough to be a pain. It happens most noticeably on long program carts as you have seen but we also see it on music length carts and even station ID length carts. What version of Rivendell are you running there? We're still on 1.7.2 and we're gearing up to move to 2.x.x BA very soon and we hope some of this sort of problem will go away. We have a client/server setup with the wav files and the database on a separate server from the playout client(s). I've spent countless hours trying to figure out a way of recognizing a Bad Cart or finding a reported error that could point me to a cause for this behavior but no such luck. I've taken weeks worth of /var/log/syslog files filtered for the LoadPlayback lines and converted them into a spreadsheet. I then go through and look for carts that are followed within a second of the next cart. I see certain carts that skip every time they are played. There's never an error reported. It looks like the system thought it played the cart and went on to the next one in the log. These carts always play fine out of the library. The only hint we've seen is that we had one program that had a canned wav file intro that was always tacked on the front of the program in our DAW every week. Every time that program ran from a log it would be skipped. If it was played out of the library it worked fine. Finally, in desparation, we re-recorded the intro wav and it hasn't skipped since. Clearly there is something in that wav file that was causing the skip but there's no indication I can find anywhere that there's a violation of any formatting and no error reports from Rivendell. If you find the answer please spread the word around. Bill Putney - KPTZ Port Townsend, WA On 9/5/12 12:27 AM, Jay Eames wrote: Hi guys, I have a bit of a strange one I am hoping someone can help with. I have a cart that is nearly 2 hours in length. The cart info is all there, and the waveform shows in the marker editor. The cut was imported from a flash drive plugged directly into the system via rdlibrary, and was originally in wav format. The cart plays absolutely fine in preview, but if you put it in the log, Rivendell just skips over it when it tries to play it. I have tried both manual and automatic starts, and every type of transition - all result in the same. I have other carts from the same presenter that are of similar length and imported the same way that play out fine. I know can try re-importing etc, but my question here is if there is any way to spot this problem ahead of time as the cart seemed absolutely fine. Obviously it's not very practical to have to put the cart into a live log (we only have the one Rivendell machine at the moment) to test it. Jay -- There are 2 kinds of people in the world; Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] Cart skipping in log
Fred, was a cause identified? Just curious. Bill On Sep 6, 2012, at 11:49, Fred Gleason fr...@paravelsystems.com wrote: On Sep 6, 2012, at 14:04 05, Jay Eames wrote: We are also on 1.7.2 at the moment, on a stand alone machine. I hadn't planned an upgrade yet as there was little need. I have a feeling it's something in the import process, as it's the only change to the audio file that is made from leaving the user's PC to ending up in the library. I just fail to see what the difference is between preview and log. This is a known issue on 1.7.2. Fixed ages ago in 2.x. Cheers! |-| | Frederick F. Gleason, Jr. | Chief Developer | | | Paravel Systems | |-| | A room without books is like a body without a soul.| | -- Cicero | |-| ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] OSX
I spent some time a year ago trying to make Rivendell play on OS X but aside from some driver issues it seemed like QT mis-matches were the major malfunction. Fred G says a QT up-rev is on the list of things to do. Bill Putney - KPTZ Port Townsend, WA Sent from my iPad On Aug 30, 2012, at 10:33 AM, WBHM Web Operations la...@wbhm.org wrote: I'm trying to compile a checkout from: cvs -d:pserver:c...@cvs.rivendellaudio.org:/home/cvs/cvsroot checkout rivendell On OSX lion, loosely following these instrctions: http://rivendell.tryphon.org/wiki/Install_Rivendell_on_OSX I say loosely, because these are obviously outdated. First thing I noticed was that configure told me Qt4 not found, unable to continue, so using MacPorts, I removed qt3 and installed qt4-mac-devel. Still no love. I'm looking for the qt4 libs and headers to no avail. Does anyone have some Rivendell OSX knowledge to share. Thanks, Larry ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
[RDD] Cart stops?
I saw this last night (actually about 4AM this morning) and wonder what the possible mechanisms are. This is 1.7.x Rivendell. My pager went off at 4AM with a silence alert from the station. When I got to my computer and VNC'd the Rivendell machine, it was stopped on a station ID. I started the next cart and then I started looking around the logs. Syslog had this. Aug 20 04:00:00 auto-mc rdairplay: started audio cart: Line: 0 Cart: 60120 Cut: 1 Pos: 0 Card: 1 Stream: 1 Port: 0 Aug 20 04:00:00 auto-mc caed: FadeLevel: 0 Then it stopped until I got on to start the next cart. After I started it, everything continued on as normal. I went into RDLibrary and played the cart a number of times and about half the time it stopped half way though. I can understand that a cart has something bad in it and RDAirPlay can't play it but stopping doesn't sound like the right thing to do. Isn't there any error recovery for that sort of thing? Is anyone aware of a list of conditions that could cause that sort of error? Is there a way to scan a library or file system to look for carts that have the potential to mess up? Bill Putney - KPTZ Port Townsend, WA ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] Broadcast appliance install can't see disk
One way to go is to forget about running Rivendell on the /var/snd file system computer. If you need that much storage, set up a computer with BSD or Solaris X86 and build a ZFS store to put your /var/snd on. Offer it as an NFS share and after you get your simple/tiny disk Broadcast Appliance built, mount /var/snd from the NFS share. You'll have all the advantages of a high reliability, flexible and easy to administer file server which can have lots of cooling fans (since it doesn't have to be in the studio) and you'll have a simplified Rivendell installation that can be put on a quiet, low power small foot print computer in the studio. A lot of places put the MySQL server on the separate machine but I think it's easiest to just let the BA disk install put that on the playout station. You can't hardly buy drives smaller than 320 GB these days and you only need about 10% of that for a full Rivendell installation if the audio storage is somewhere else. Bill Putney - KPTZ Port Townsend, WA Sent from my iPad On Aug 16, 2012, at 10:27 AM, Nathan Steele nathan.ste...@thecrossfm.com wrote: Not really a Rivendell problem Dell poweredge 2850 with Perc4/dc raid controller, broadcast appliance install doesn't see the disk...any idea how to fix this? I have six disk setup in a raid 5 ready to go. I can take out the raid card but don't know how to setup the software raid, and I have to use raid to get enough space for my /var/snd. Thanks -- Nathaniel C. Steele Assistant Chief Engineer/Technical Director WTRM-FM / TheCrossFM ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] Broadcast appliance install can't see disk
I understand. We don't plan projects by dollars either. We use the subscriber/year unit for calculating project costs. My thought was that the less you mess with the out of the box BA the less likely you are to have grief with it. The sound storage server is completely autonomous and you can use about any stable *nix you like to. In your case, ZFS is very attractive because it is very forgiving about adding non-matching storage to an array. You could add a SATA controller card and add SATA drives as needed later. Even if you want to transition completely to SATA from e SCSI drives, ZFS will make that easier. We've been running a separate server environment for Rivendell here from the outset and never had any problems or artifacts I could tie to network file service. The file server and the playout clients all have direct connections to a common Ethernet switch so congestion and latency has never been a problem. Divide and conquer! Bill - KPTZ - Port Townsend, WA Sent from my iPad On Aug 16, 2012, at 11:45 AM, Nathan Steele nathan.ste...@thecrossfm.com wrote: I don't disagree, and am running a networked setup now but I am using older servers with SCSI drives and as such have six 74Gb scsi drives to put in this one, which will replace our current server(which will be switched to backup duty. I have /var/snd, mysql, and the CAE running on the server, airplay runs on a seperate machine, and production on a seperate machine with its CAE local. I like the thought of not having the audio leave the server for playout to air. the longer term plan is to replace all the machines with newer (SATA) hardware, but we are a non-comm that is just going on air so we need money coming in first. the curent servers were ones I had in my personal server lab not being used for anything important. long story short I just need this one to work for maybe the next 6 months... Nathaniel C. Steele Assistant Chief Engineer/Technical Director WTRM-FM / TheCrossFM On 8/16/2012 2:32 PM, Bill Putney wrote: One way to go is to forget about running Rivendell on the /var/snd file system computer. If you need that much storage, set up a computer with BSD or Solaris X86 and build a ZFS store to put your /var/snd on. Offer it as an NFS share and after you get your simple/tiny disk Broadcast Appliance built, mount /var/snd from the NFS share. You'll have all the advantages of a high reliability, flexible and easy to administer file server which can have lots of cooling fans (since it doesn't have to be in the studio) and you'll have a simplified Rivendell installation that can be put on a quiet, low power small foot print computer in the studio. A lot of places put the MySQL server on the separate machine but I think it's easiest to just let the BA disk install put that on the playout station. You can't hardly buy drives smaller than 320 GB these days and you only need about 10% of that for a full Rivendell installation if the audio storage is somewhere else. Bill Putney - KPTZ Port Townsend, WA Sent from my iPad On Aug 16, 2012, at 10:27 AM, Nathan Steele nathan.ste...@thecrossfm.com wrote: Not really a Rivendell problem Dell poweredge 2850 with Perc4/dc raid controller, broadcast appliance install doesn't see the disk...any idea how to fix this? I have six disk setup in a raid 5 ready to go. I can take out the raid card but don't know how to setup the software raid, and I have to use raid to get enough space for my /var/snd. Thanks -- Nathaniel C. Steele Assistant Chief Engineer/Technical Director WTRM-FM / TheCrossFM ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
[RDD] Underwriters Scheduler?
Has any one got a slick underwriters/advertiser scheduler they like? We're looking for something we can put in an underwriter/advertiser information (like how many spots, how many times a week, any preference for when it's played) and have this thing go through all the spots and create a schedule where there are so many spots per hour in these hours on these days. You know the drill. Of course it would be cool if it would set up Rivendell with the right carts at the right times but even an output to a calendar (like Google Docs Calendar) would work. Bill Putney - KPTZ Port Townsend, WA ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
[RDD] Rivendell MySQL Database Backup from Linux Command Line?
This has probably already been covered lots of times. sigh I want to make a crontab entry to backup the Rivendell MySQL database. Anyone know what that command line would look like? Thanks, Bill Putney - KPTZ Port Townsend, WA ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] Arrakis USB Sound Card
That doesn't quite seem to be the case. Some interfaces that otherwise work with Linux can't be made to show up properly in Rivendell. It's a mystery that is probably worth solving but not at the cost of stopping other development. I'm sure it's going to be one of those forehead slapping moments when the cause is finally found but a fair amount of time has been burned on it already and the problem does not yield. Bill Putney - KPTZ Port Townsend, WA On 6/27/12 4:18 AM, Rob Landry wrote: On Tue, 26 Jun 2012, Bill Putney wrote: Just be careful for now depending on audio interfaces not specifically enumerated as being supported in Rivendell. Many hours can be burned if you stray to far from the well beaten path. Huh? I thought Rivendell could work with anything supported by ALSA. Rob ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] Remote into RRAbuntu mySQL
Matthew, Did you go to RDAdmin and add the new computer as a host? In /etc/rd.conf did you change the [mySQL] hostname to the address of the machine that has the mySQL database? Bill On 3/28/12 8:05 AM, Matthew Chambers wrote: We have a RRAbuntu box that has been up and running for some time now and works perfectly fine. I am now trying to add another RRAbuntu box that will access the same /var/snd directory (works) and mySQL database (not working) to use for adding/editing/removing carts, creating and editing logs. I can see the audio files in the second box's /var/snd directory that I have set to mount to the shared /var/snd dir on the first box. Now all that is left is the mySQL which is giving me errors when I try to connect to it and there are no firewalls running, I was seeing that I need to change the rduser privileges to allow remote connections but can't because I can't get logged into mySQL with admin privileges to start with anymore? I really hope I won't have to blow it away and start over again. -- /Matthew A. Chambers, CBT/ Assist. Broadcast Engineer *KWIX - KRES - KIRK - KTCM* 300 West Reed Street Moberly, MO 65270 660-263-1500 FAX: 660-269-8811 Cell: 660-676-3219 www.CentralMoInfo.com http://www.centralmoinfo.com /Super Station KRES 104.7 FM/ /Information Radio KWIX 1230 AM/ /The Captain KIRK 99.9 FM/ /Glory KTCM 97.3 FM / /This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited./ ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] Hamfest (fork of Consoles) (Bill Putney)
Logan, If you're a Mac guy, you're 7/8ths of the way there. Mostly, OS X is plain old Unix with a fancy desktop. Like all the different flavors of Unix, OS X has some things in different places and but it's enough the same that you can get around in it without too much trouble. Mac's have man pages just like other Unix's and you can find out about the differences pretty easily. The guys I don't get are all the PC people that put up with Windoz for years. I beat head against that wall from Windows version one up through XP. When Apple made the switch to the Mach Unix kernel I was off windows like a shot. Never looked back. I got to design our station from a clean sheet of paper and except for a computer that does donor accounting, all the computers in the station are Unix. There's 4 Mac's, 6 Linux and 1 FreeBSD and they all play together very happily. The Windos machine is kind of out in the cold but there ya go. That was Microsoft's intent. Bill Putney - KPTZ Port Townsend, WA On 2/23/12 6:52 AM, Logan Carmichael wrote: You guys have fun at Winterfest in VA... I'll be at the Dalton, GA Hamfest this weekend myself. And yes, it's true...there's a LOT of us hams in the business of radio, too! Now if only I was as smart as some of you guys on this Linux stuff! I've been in a PC and Mac world too long, and just get confused with how this Linux stuff works! WHO KNEW a kernel was anything other than that annoying thing in the bottom of a popcorn bag! 73, de W4QXL Logan ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] Console suggestions
Might want to wait a bit on that. The PCM2900 series chips are in the
hardware HCL for Linux but there are some issues with Rivendell and that
driver. We're having problems now with the PCM 2900 based interfaces
we're using here that have stopped us migrating to 2.1.x.
de WB6RFW (Amateur Extra {lite})
Bill Putney - KPTZ Port Townsend, WAOn 2/22/12 1:29 AM, Morten Krarup
Nielsen wrote:
If you can raise your budget, maybe the DR Airmate USB mixer is
something for you. It is based on the TI PCM2900 and should work with
Linux.
Kind regards,
Morten
2012/2/21 Rich Gattiemob...@gmail.com:
Hey folks..
This could be off topic, and if so, please let me know and reply via direct
email to me if you have suggestions/answers..
I produce a lot of podcasts, on varying subjects and am in the process of
building a home studio that can be used for internet radio. I love Rivendell
and have it setup and running on a couple machines, all networked. But I am
looking for suggestions for a console for my studio that could work with
Rivendell. I'm of course on a budget and am thinking $700-$1200 would be the
budget. Used consoles are of course, not out of the question.
So ideas? Leads of where to look?
Thanks
-Richie
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Re: [RDD] Hamfest (fork of Consoles)
Once the FCC reduced the code speed requirement I went from Tech to General to Extra in a little under a month. Gordon West prep books rule! Bill Putney - KPTZ Port Townsend, WA Sent from my iPad On Feb 22, 2012, at 7:06 PM, Richard Gorbutt rich...@gorbutt.com wrote: Hoping to take my test sat morning there. I live about 2 miles from there. Regards, Richard (on the go) On Feb 22, 2012 9:25 PM, Alan Peterson apeter...@radioamerica.org wrote: If any Amateurs in this group are based in or near Washington DC, the Vienna Wireless Society Winterfest is this Sunday Feb 26 at NOVA Community College in Annandale VA. Its a nice compact yet noisy indoor fest, with a few tailgaters outside. Two years ago I scored a Match Game microphone there (an electret on a telescopic wand, like Gene Rayburn used on TV in the 1970s). See yuh. AP ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] Hamfest (fork of Consoles)
I had an early code tech ( circa 1967) and when the rules changed, I applied to swap my tech for a general. The next test session was 3 weeks out and I read the Gordon West prep book every day at lunch for most of that time, the test date came along and viola' Extra-lite. Bill Sent from my iPad On Feb 22, 2012, at 10:08 PM, Matthew A. Chambers matth...@regionalradio.com wrote: I took my Extra shortly after the FCC dropped the CW requirement as well, skipped general by taking it and extra test the same time. Having the extra also helped me get my job in broadcasting and also fast tracked my CBT cert from SBE too. Having the ham ticket not only says that a person knows radio but they know how to learn how stuff works! Matthew A. Chambers, CBT Assist. Broadcast Engineer KWIX - KRES - KIRK - KTCM 300 West Reed Street Moberly, MO 65270 660-263-1500 FAX: 660-269-8811 Cell: 660-676-3219 www.centralmoinfo.com Super Station KRES 104.7 FM Information Radio KWIX 1230 AM The Captain KIRK 99.9 FM Glory KTCM 97.3 FM This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. On Wed, February 22, 2012 9:19 pm, Bill Putney wrote: Once the FCC reduced the code speed requirement I went from Tech to General to Extra in a little under a month. Gordon West prep books rule! Bill Putney - KPTZ Port Townsend, WA Sent from my iPad On Feb 22, 2012, at 7:06 PM, Richard Gorbutt rich...@gorbutt.com wrote: Hoping to take my test sat morning there. I live about 2 miles from there. Regards, Richard (on the go) On Feb 22, 2012 9:25 PM, Alan Peterson apeter...@radioamerica.org wrote: If any Amateurs in this group are based in or near Washington DC, the Vienna Wireless Society Winterfest is this Sunday Feb 26 at NOVA Community College in Annandale VA. Its a nice compact yet noisy indoor fest, with a few tailgaters outside. Two years ago I scored a Match Game microphone there (an electret on a telescopic wand, like Gene Rayburn used on TV in the 1970s). See yuh. AP ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
[RDD] MySQL passwords
Can someone help me out with an RRAbuntu MySQL password issue? When I put mysql -u root -p mysql The system replies with PASSWORD: Then I'm stuck. I'm trying to replace the hostname localhost with % on the server so the clients can access the sever copy of MySQL. I've already changed the bind address to 0.0.0.0 from 127.0.0.1. Thanks, Bill Putney - KPTZ Port Townsend, WA ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] MySQL passwords
I just loaded the RRAbuntu LiveCD. I haven't changed anything in MySQL. Here's what I get without a password; root@auto-srv:~/etc# mysql -u root ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO) root@auto-srv:~/etc# On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 10:26 AM, Benjamin D. Fillmore benja...@fillmoretechnical.com wrote: If the root password has not been set, then you would connect by typing: mysql -u root without the -p it will attempt to connect without a password. *Benjamin Fillmore *Fillmore Integrated Technical Services, Inc. 1011 Cherry Ave, Suite B Nashville, TN 37203 (615) 866-0674 office (949) 209-5683 e-fax On 2/7/2012 11:28 AM, Kevin Miller wrote: On 02/07/2012 08:18 AM, Bill Putney wrote: Can someone help me out with an RRAbuntu MySQL password issue? When I put mysql -u root -p mysql The system replies with PASSWORD: Then I'm stuck. I'm trying to replace the hostname localhost with % on the server so the clients can access the sever copy of MySQL. I've already changed the bind address to 0.0.0.0 from 127.0.0.1. Thanks, Bill Putney - KPTZ Port Townsend, WA I think what you want to do is just mysql -u root -p then enter the password when prompted. YLooking at that command line, I'd expect mysql to be interpreting mysql as the password you're trying to pass. If that's the case you shoud probably come up with a more secure password. I suspect rather you're trying to pass the name of the database to use. If that's the case, after you enter the password, issue the command USE mysql; It's been ages since I played w/mysql so maybe I'm crossing some wires, but I think that should get you going... ...Kevin ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] MySQL passwords
I tried using the only password anyone has suggested for Rivendell's root MySQL password mysql and this is what I get; root@auto-srv:~/etc# mysql -u root -p Enter password: ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES) On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Kevin Miller atf...@alaska.net wrote: On 02/07/2012 08:18 AM, Bill Putney wrote: Can someone help me out with an RRAbuntu MySQL password issue? When I put mysql -u root -p mysql The system replies with PASSWORD: Then I'm stuck. I'm trying to replace the hostname localhost with % on the server so the clients can access the sever copy of MySQL. I've already changed the bind address to 0.0.0.0 from 127.0.0.1. Thanks, Bill Putney - KPTZ Port Townsend, WA I think what you want to do is just mysql -u root -p then enter the password when prompted. YLooking at that command line, I'd expect mysql to be interpreting mysql as the password you're trying to pass. If that's the case you shoud probably come up with a more secure password. I suspect rather you're trying to pass the name of the database to use. If that's the case, after you enter the password, issue the command USE mysql; It's been ages since I played w/mysql so maybe I'm crossing some wires, but I think that should get you going... ...Kevin -- Kevin Miller Juneau, Alaska http://www.alaska.net/~atftb In the history of the world, no one has ever washed a rented car. - Lawrence Summers ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] MySQL passwords
Thanks for the reminder. That got me in but things are still broken. :( Bill On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 12:21 PM, ltynd...@cogeco.ca wrote: I could be remembering incorrectly, but I think that the root MySQL password on RRABuntu was set to be rivendell unless you changed it. I can't recall if it was capitalized, so try: Rivendell and rivendell See if it works. ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] MySQL passwords
OK... Laboring under a delusion here. I was thinking that the v1.13 RRAbuntu was 2.1.2. I just got an eMail from Geoff Barkman and it turns out that the System Info comment is correct! RRAbuntu is NOT Rivendell 2.1.2! Now I really need to get the ethernet drivers in Broadcast Appliance working and do something about the display drivers to support the Intel Motherboard that's in our server. 4 days out of my life I'll never get back. sigh Bill On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 12:24 PM, Bill Putney bi...@wwpc.com wrote: Thanks for the reminder. That got me in but things are still broken. :( Bill On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 12:21 PM, ltynd...@cogeco.ca wrote: I could be remembering incorrectly, but I think that the root MySQL password on RRABuntu was set to be rivendell unless you changed it. I can't recall if it was capitalized, so try: Rivendell and rivendell See if it works. ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] MySQL passwords
Thanks Fred. I replaced the one client that had a problem and I've got BA loaded on all the clients. Can you point me to a concise Lise of what needs to be done with 2.1.2 to move change things from stand alone to client server? Is it the same as 1.7.2? Bill Sent from my iPad On Feb 7, 2012, at 8:04 PM, Fred Gleason fr...@paravelsystems.com wrote: On Feb 7, 2012, at 14:55 59, Bill Putney wrote: By the way, can you think of a reason why Broadcast Appliance doesn't support an Ethernet NIC that Centos 5.5 LiveCD does? RedHat must have backported the driver as part of one of the point updates. Cheers! |-| | Frederick F. Gleason, Jr. | Chief Developer | | | Paravel Systems | |-| | No, `Eureka!' is Greek for `This bath is too hot!' | | -- Dr. Who | |-| ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
[RDD] Broadcast Appliance Ethernet Issues
Anyone else have these problems? I'm on my 18th hour trying to load the Broadcast Appliance LiveCD on our systems here. 2 of my 4 computers work fine, 2 don't. One of the ones that doesn't is the server. I get failed; no link present. Check cable? One of the ones that fails is an Intel motherboard's e1000e NIC and the other is the onboard NIC in a Dell OPtiplex 740 (Broadcom) that comes up as tg3. Both of these were working on RRAbuntu yesterday morning when I started the change over. What's even moer frustrating is that I got the vanilla Centos 5.5 LiveCD down from a Centos mirror site just to see if it was different and it works fine on the broken systems. Now I'm stuck here. Can't leave the station cause I have to keep putting on the 4 hour wav file we've been playing while the automation is down. sigh Bill Putney - KPTZ Port Townsend, WA ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] Broadcast Appliance Ethernet Issues
Thanks Andy. I've given up on it. Trying the new RRAbuntu now. Centos 5 supports these NICs, it's whatever drivers got bound into the BA that's the problem. Bill On Feb 5, 2012, at 5:06, VE4PER/ Andy ve4...@aim.com wrote: Hi Bill, Ran into exactly same thing when I installed the Centos5 version as well. In the end I had to add a 2nd older pci NIC card and disable the onboard nic to get it to recognize the card. For some reason Centos didn't set up modules to work with onboard NIC. Recall there was others that had similar experiences around that time as well. after installing appliance, I removed HD and replaced with a 2nd HD configured to triple boot othe OS's versions, and the onboard NIC worked fine. Added Centos RD appliance HD back into the HD mix as the prime drive, and was able to switch OS's on boot after that as well. If u need to re-install Centos OS at any time have to disconnect the 2nd HD, as appliance will wipe drives and comandeer all space for the install. cheers hope this a help Andy On 12-02-05 12:11 PM, Bill Putney wrote: Anyone else have these problems? I'm on my 18th hour trying to load the Broadcast Appliance LiveCD on our systems here. 2 of my 4 computers work fine, 2 don't. One of the ones that doesn't is the server. I get failed; no link present. Check cable? One of the ones that fails is an Intel motherboard's e1000e NIC and the other is the onboard NIC in a Dell OPtiplex 740 (Broadcom) that comes up as tg3. Both of these were working on RRAbuntu yesterday morning when I started the change over. What's even moer frustrating is that I got the vanilla Centos 5.5 LiveCD down from a Centos mirror site just to see if it was different and it works fine on the broken systems. Now I'm stuck here. Can't leave the station cause I have to keep putting on the 4 hour wav file we've been playing while the automation is down. sigh Bill Putney - KPTZ Port Townsend, WA ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] Broadcast Appliance Ethernet Issues
I've just got one problem left. I can't get Ubuntu to get my display hardware correct. The res is stuck at such a low value on my server that I can't use the configuration tools. All the client machines are OK. It's an Intel Motherboard with onboard video chipset. Bill On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 5:19 AM, Bill Putney bi...@wwpc.com wrote: Thanks Andy. I've given up on it. Trying the new RRAbuntu now. Centos 5 supports these NICs, it's whatever drivers got bound into the BA that's the problem. Bill On Feb 5, 2012, at 5:06, VE4PER/ Andy ve4...@aim.com wrote: Hi Bill, Ran into exactly same thing when I installed the Centos5 version as well. In the end I had to add a 2nd older pci NIC card and disable the onboard nic to get it to recognize the card. For some reason Centos didn't set up modules to work with onboard NIC. Recall there was others that had similar experiences around that time as well. after installing appliance, I removed HD and replaced with a 2nd HD configured to triple boot othe OS's versions, and the onboard NIC worked fine. Added Centos RD appliance HD back into the HD mix as the prime drive, and was able to switch OS's on boot after that as well. If u need to re-install Centos OS at any time have to disconnect the 2nd HD, as appliance will wipe drives and comandeer all space for the install. cheers hope this a help Andy On 12-02-05 12:11 PM, Bill Putney wrote: Anyone else have these problems? I'm on my 18th hour trying to load the Broadcast Appliance LiveCD on our systems here. 2 of my 4 computers work fine, 2 don't. One of the ones that doesn't is the server. I get failed; no link present. Check cable? One of the ones that fails is an Intel motherboard's e1000e NIC and the other is the onboard NIC in a Dell OPtiplex 740 (Broadcom) that comes up as tg3. Both of these were working on RRAbuntu yesterday morning when I started the change over. What's even moer frustrating is that I got the vanilla Centos 5.5 LiveCD down from a Centos mirror site just to see if it was different and it works fine on the broken systems. Now I'm stuck here. Can't leave the station cause I have to keep putting on the 4 hour wav file we've been playing while the automation is down. sigh Bill Putney - KPTZ Port Townsend, WA ___ Rivendell-dev mailing listRivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.orghttp://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
[RDD] KPTZ is Finally Moving to 2.1.2
I'm looking for best practices from the group. Our current configuration; 1 - Server with separate root and /var/snd drives. 3 - Clients with sound cards and small (60GB) SATA II AV drives. They are all running the RRAbuntu LiveCD distribution. All the client machines are dual core 64 bit machines with 2 GB of RAM. The server is a dual core 64 bit with 8GB of RAM with enterprise class SATA III drives. We're doing this move this Saturday. I've got an 8 hour (is that enough time?) program block wav file I'm going to play out of our studio utility computer while the automation system is down. I've got new drives for all the computers. We're moving to the Broadcast Appliance distribution. Here's what I plan; 0) Shutdown all the clients and install new drives. 1) Rsync the new /var/snd drive from the old /var/snd drive before the old server is shut down. 2) Backup the Rivendell database. 3) Shut down MySQL and copy the database file(s) to a thumb drive. (Is the RDAdmin database backup enough?) At this point the plan gets a little tenuous. 4) Install the new root drive in the server. 5) Install the Broadcast Appliance CD in the server. 6) Install the /var/snd drive in the server. Change the mounts to point /var/snd to the new drive. 7) Copy the backup database file onto the system and restore it in RDAdmin. 8) Set up the NFS exports for /var/snd. 9) Install the Broadcast Appliance CD on all the clients on their new drives. 10) NFS mount the /var/snd from the server. 11) Change the client database configuration to point to the server database. 12) Shutdown MySQL in the clients and disable it. 13) Add all the clients in as hosts (not sure if this gets done in the db restore) 14) Configure the audio cards for all the clients. 15) Take the rest of the day off. Any holes? Ideas? Here's one... Our /var/snd file system is getting kind of big (almost too big to fit in a single enterprise class SATA drive). I'd like to install ZFS for the /var/snd volume. Anyone have any experience with ZFS on Centos 5.5? I've used ZFS on Solaris, BSD and Ubuntu but never tried it on Centos and I don't have the time before Saturday to experiment. Thanks, Bill Putney - KPTZ Port Townsend, WA ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] NPR / Public Radio Stations
On 1/25/12 7:51 AM, Larry Owen wrote: As I mentioned in a previous post, we are reviewing Rivendell for our automation system (Good job with the Demo Fred). My program manager would to ( know of / talk to) a public radio station using rivendell, specifically NPR stations but any public radio. Anyone? Thanks, Larry Owen ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
[RDD] SSD for Rivendell Root/Boot drives
We're moving to 2.1.2 (at last). I need to upgrade one of our machines to a dual core 64 bit machine and I'm thinking of other things we might do to improve things. It seems like the Rivendell client machines would be quite happy on a 60 GB drive (except for the /var/snd which lives on the server). 60 GB SSD drives are under $100 these days and I'm thinking that the reduction of heat and increase in speed might make them good choices for the client machines. They should also be quieter than even the quietest spinning drive. Reduction in the heat load in the boxes might mean that the smart fans will spin a little slower further reducing noise. I am thinking that if there isn't a downside, making the server root/boot drive an SSD too might be a good thing to do just because it might be faster and make database look ups quicker. The /var/snd volume will stay a big spinning drive RAID-5 (or Raid-Z) array of expensive enterprise class drives. Any thoughts or experiences would be appreciated. Any drives to stay away from? Any that have worked well? I saw a comment by one user that said that they had an SSD drive that was lightning fast except for the twice a day when it took 15 second to do some internal function. Clearly that's not something I want to have in the automation system. Bill Putney - KPTZ Port Townsend, WA ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] SSD for Rivendell Root/Boot drives
James, Thanks! Any known issues with either Ubuntu or Centex? Bill Putney - KPTZ Port Townsend, WA On 1/24/12 12:26 PM, James Harrison wrote: I've tried a few SSDs out at this point. OCZs have failed on me, Corsairs have been solid and reliable. Intels are also purportedly very reliable, especially their enterprisey ones, but they're a bundle more expensive - Corsair are a good middle ground as far as I can tell. They certainly run cooler, though not by a lot - I have thermal monitoring on all my drives (thin-wire thermocouples attached with thermal compound to the top of the disk) and they're all around 40c, HDD or SSD, with an ambient case temp of 25c. If you want a big noise reduction, make sure you replace the stock CPU cooler with something larger - Zalman do some great aircoolers which run slow and quiet, or you could go for a Corsair H50, which will keep an i5 dead cold but is pretty damn quiet. Depends how you feel on closed-loop watercooling... :-) I'd go for a SATAIII drive like the Corsair Force 3 at this stage. They're stupid fast, don't cost much more than the SATAII equivalents (and if you're buying a motherboard in this day and age it'll have SATAIII anyway), and are just faster than anything I've ever used before. I'm currently using a Force 3 as my desktop's primary, a 120GB disk. I'd put everything except /var/snd on SSDs - what's the downside? Just make sure your OS/FS supports TRIM, of course... James On 24/01/2012 20:08, Bill Putney wrote: We're moving to 2.1.2 (at last). I need to upgrade one of our machines to a dual core 64 bit machine and I'm thinking of other things we might do to improve things. It seems like the Rivendell client machines would be quite happy on a 60 GB drive (except for the /var/snd which lives on the server). 60 GB SSD drives are under $100 these days and I'm thinking that the reduction of heat and increase in speed might make them good choices for the client machines. They should also be quieter than even the quietest spinning drive. Reduction in the heat load in the boxes might mean that the smart fans will spin a little slower further reducing noise. I am thinking that if there isn't a downside, making the server root/boot drive an SSD too might be a good thing to do just because it might be faster and make database look ups quicker. The /var/snd volume will stay a big spinning drive RAID-5 (or Raid-Z) array of expensive enterprise class drives. Any thoughts or experiences would be appreciated. Any drives to stay away from? Any that have worked well? I saw a comment by one user that said that they had an SSD drive that was lightning fast except for the twice a day when it took 15 second to do some internal function. Clearly that's not something I want to have in the automation system. Bill Putney - KPTZ Port Townsend, WA ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] Experience With Midrange Soundcard?
Rivendell works with just about anything that's on the Linux HCL. There are a lot of cases where even things that use the same chips as something that's on the HCL will work. We needed digital audio outputs to our consoles and I found some $30 USB to S/PDIF interfaces on eBay that have been working perfectly here. They look like little aluminum blocks (red, black or gold anodized) 3/4x3/4x1-1/2 with a USB-B connector on one end and either an optical or coax connector on the other end. The chip has a real simple job, shuffle bits from the USB to the S/PDIF. It doesn't have any analog parts or D-A converters so a more expensive device isn't necessarily better. The trick is that it's not listed on the HCL but uses the same chip as something that is. Bill Putney - KPTZ Port Townsend, WA On 12/25/11 7:32 AM, Alan Peterson wrote: From: James Harrisonja...@talkunafraid.co.uk My £10 Sound Blaster Live! from 199something sounds nicer than a midrange X-Fi if you ask me. Cool, thanks. Does a card that old work well with Rivendell? - Alan Peterson CBT/CEA Sent from my 1975 Cray-1 ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] rdimport error invalid url Rivendell 2.1.0 on Ubuntu 11.10
Patrick, It's not that we don't want to help. That's what this whole mail list is about. Rivendell runs on linux and to trouble shoot problems you have to be pretty high functioning as a linux hacker. Rivendell is a complicated suite of applications with not so great documentation. I've been working around *nix systems since the 70's when they were connected to the ARPANet by IMPs and TIPs. I still have to put out a call for help to the mailing list sometimes because it's been a long time since I did any heavy programming and Rivendell is complicated. Sometimes I get help right away and sometimes I don't hear a peep. I don't get too upset about it, I just start trying things to try to fix it myself. I have a machine that I use just for that and if I break it I reload it from scratch and it's just a couple days of my time burned up. I'm not running 2.1 (still in production on 1.7.1) yet so it's hard for me to help you. In 1.7.1 all the work with RDLibrary is done in a desktop GUI not a web browser. I wasn't aware that had changed. If the browser is saying the URL is invalid, it probably is either a configuration issue with Apache or file permissions. If there was a bug, the cgi would die and hang the browser or report some exit error message. Open a terminal window and sudo a find for the cgi. Look at it's permissions and where it is. Make sure all that it correct. After you find out some more, ask the list some more questions. At some point you may run across some information that triggers a memory for someone and you'll get some help. I think the point that Tim was making is that no one on this list has a responsibility to anyone else to fix problems. If one of us can help and we recognize the problem and have a solution we'll reply. If it's new ground we're just like you and we won't waste the bandwidth saying so. Rivendell is an excellent system. It is complete, in current development and even as a turnkey from Paravell it is cost effective when compared to other broadcast automation systems. If you're really new to this whole thing one of the LiveCD's from RRAbuntu is a great way to have a running system up in a hurry. Look at their Sourceforge project pages (http://rrabuntu.sourceforge.net/). If you have the money in your budget, you can't go wrong with a turnkey and then you have someone that really does have a responsibility to help you fix your issues. Bill Putney - KPTZ Port Townsend, WA and On 12/17/11 8:01 AM, Patrick Schmalstig / WRRJ Radio wrote: Well alright if you guys do not want to help me then I'll have nothing to do with Rivendell. Where in my previous message did I mention anything to do with professional technical support? ...and why are you talking about this sounding like technical support instead of community help, instead of helping me out with what I really need help on... RDImport? ...and I cannot go with any professional solution... I have no money to do so. Sorry. On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 12:53 AM, Bill Putney bi...@wwpc.com mailto:bi...@wwpc.com wrote: Might I recommend Rivendell from Paravell Systems. They know a lot about the product and seem a reasonable bunch. I'm sure you would find the support very good. They have a turn key solution with all the bells and whistles. You can reach them at sa...@paravelsystems.com mailto:sa...@paravelsystems.com . Bill Putney - KPTZ Port Townsend, WA Sent from my iPad On Dec 16, 2011, at 8:55 PM, Tim Camp t...@wnsp.com mailto:t...@wnsp.com wrote: You understand that you are not talking to some support line for a product that you paid for don't you. This a a community forum where help is given on a voluntary basis when people have time. If you expect to demand a response may I say suggest you purchase a product. On Dec 16, 2011 10:08 PM, Patrick Schmalstig / WRRJ Radio xana...@gmail.com mailto:xana...@gmail.com wrote: Hello. I've been having a lot of troubles lately trying to set up a new installation of Rivendell 2.1.0 on Ubuntu 11.10 (and do NOT tell me that this was not meant for Ubuntu 11.10... I looked at that page with regards to that and did everything on it... it should work properly but it does not. Not only that but there was no clear documentation that it was not meant for Ubuntu 11.10.). Anyway problem is when I upload (or try to upload) a file to rdlibrary I get Invalid URL. Here's what I did: *I have verified my IP address was correct in Rivendell. *I verified Apache is working correctly. *I verified the Rivendell cgi scripts were able to be accessed from my IP. *I verified the freeDB url was correct... freedb.freedb.org http://freedb.freedb.org. This started happening randomly. Rdimport was working fine before (with the exception of uploading
Re: [RDD] 2.1.1 - sending Now/Next multiple times per song
Fred, Thanks for the reply. Yeah, I thought of that. I renamed the module to something unrecognizable. Could it be that Rivendell has the handle number now and is using that instead of the file name? I did a cold restarte of the machine but that didn't seem to help either. sigh Bill On 12/15/11 7:35 AM, Fred Gleason wrote: On Dec 15, 2011, at 10:28 33, Bill Putney wrote: I didn't get any compile errors but after I added it RDAirPlay stopped advancing through logs when in Automatic. Sounds like the plug-in is hanging up somewhere. Try actually moving the plug-in binary itself to a different location. You might also check the syslog -- RDAirPlay will enumerate each plug-in it loads at startup in there. Cheers! |-| | Frederick F. Gleason, Jr. | Chief Developer | | | Paravel Systems | |-| | A room without books is like a body without a soul.| | -- Cicero | |-| ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] 2.1.1 - sending Now/Next multiple times per song
I was afraid of that. I think the short cut is to just reload the station from the Live CD then restore the /etc directory from backup. The sound files and database are on a separate server. Bill On 12/15/11 8:02 AM, Fred Gleason wrote: On Dec 15, 2011, at 10:45 27, Bill Putney wrote: Could it be that Rivendell has the handle number now and is using that instead of the file name? None of that stuff gets cached. At each startup, RDAirPlay tries to open each configured plug-in with dlopen(3). If that fails (e.g. because the binary isn't there), then that plug-in's entire configuration is skipped. I suspect that your breakage is something entirely unrelated, the relation to changes in your RLM setup being just coincidental. Cheers! |-| | Frederick F. Gleason, Jr. | Chief Developer | | | Paravel Systems | |-| | If I traveled to the end of the rainbow| | As Dame Fortune did intend,| | Murphy would be there to tell me | | The pot's at the *other* end. | | -- Bert Whitney| |-| ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] BIG Hard Drives
On Ubuntu Linux 10.04 LTS. Bill On 12/12/11 4:09 PM, Larry Owen wrote: Are you running zfs on linux or a nas? -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. Bill Putney bi...@wwpc.com wrote: Robert, We're using a ZFS file system here. We've chosen not to use the very large consumer drives and stuck with slightly smaller (750 GB) server quality drives. ZFS allows for very large file systems and flexible expansion even with drives of dissimilar geometries later. ZFS doesn't use hardware RAID. An array of drives is set up in BOD mode for a SATA controller. The array can span multiple controllers if you have a lot of drives. ZFS allows for single or double drive redundancy. Snapshots in time can be taken quickly and regression can be done to that point in time if needed. So if for instance some angry DJ does an rm -rf /var/snd it can be restored quickly since all the deleted files needed to get back to the snapshot would be kept in the in the pool even though they are marked as deleted at the current time. Bill Putney - KPTZ Port Townsend, WA On 12/12/11 2:53 PM, Robert Jeffares wrote: I have a project to construct a playout system for someone who has in excess of 40,000 tracks of audio. There is a good reason for a library of this size given the application [which is not your regular radio station] My problem is storage on /var/snd I can source 2TB drives and from my experience we can get around 20,000 tracks on 1 TB so 2 TB will be 40,000 but with NO headroom. [I like headroom 15% is good] This client is likely to want to add a whole lot more to the library, so adding a second 2Tb makes sense. What, in your opinion, is the best method of combining the drives to produce a big /var/snd I have seen various debates on arrays, and quite frankly, I am confused. Don't have a problem running the OS on a third smaller drive. We have discussed this and if the limit is the limit then that's what we have to work to. There may be 3 Tb drives now but my supplier does not list them, and I gather there is a supply problem with drives at the minute. Robert Jeffares Big Valley Radio Thames New Zealand Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
[RDD] Now and Next Strings in RML?
I want to get Rivendell to send now and next info to a log file. I've got a UDP catcher on our server that is receiving the datagrams and putting the info in a file. Works fine. We've also got a web browser app that does the same things to the same file for the live air shows so it all ends up in the same place when we do our SoundExchange reports. I'm using the UDP part of the Now and Next to send metadata to the stream encoder. I though that I'd be able to use the Now and Next variables in the RML command part of the Now and Next config page. I used the UO command and put the host and port info in with a string created from the now and next variables i'e %t %a %l %b %h but the string is empty. Is there any way to get the now and next information to use in a second UDP datagram? any ideas? ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
[RDD] RML Question
I think I want to program the Now and Next in RDAirPlay to send some information to a file to keep a log. I'm thinking it should look something like; RN echo `date +%F%t%T%t` %t \t %a \t %l \t %b \t %h %r /var/snd/songlog.txt! A couple of problems occur to me. 1) The RMD line editor in Now and Next doesn't seem to like accepting back quotes. b) If I can get past the first problem isn't RML going to get confused by my file append? Am I making this too hard? Should I just put echo `date +%F%t%T%t` %t \t %a \t %l \t %b \t %h %r /var/snd/songlog.txt in a file named /var/snd/songlog.sh and make it executable and use the RML; RN /var/snd/songlog.sh! Bill Putney - KPTZ Port Townsend, WA ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] Log failing to play
A quick fix would be to do a symbolic link to make the files show up in /var/snd too. ln -s /Home/KRES/Music /var/snd Bill Putney - KPTZ Radio Port Townsend, WA On 9/19/11 8:50 AM, Matthew Chambers wrote: Yes all the files in the music folder are nn_nnn.wav, I'll move them to /var/snd and see if that cures my problem. Thanks On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Rob Landry 41001...@interpring.com mailto:41001...@interpring.com wrote: On Mon, 19 Sep 2011, Matthew Chambers wrote: Oddly /var/snd is empty, i found all my carts in /Home/KRES/Music do i need to move all my wav files from there to /var/snd? If the files have been imported into Rivendell, they'll have names of the form nn_001.wav, where nn is each file's six-digit Rivendell cart number (and 001 is the cut number). If that's the case, the files you see at /Home/KRES/Music must have been visible in /var/snd once upon a time, as that's the only place Rivendell knows to put imported audio files. If it's on a removable medium or another machine on your network, it needs to be mounted as /var/snd not /Home/KRES/Music. The capital H in Home suggests that's probably the case, as Linux home directories are in /home with a lower case h. Rob ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org mailto:Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev -- /Matthew A. Chambers, CBT/ Assist. Broadcast Engineer *KWIX - KRES - KIRK - KTCM* 300 West Reed Street Moberly, MO 65270 660-263-1500 FAX: 660-269-8811 Cell: 660-676-3219 www.centralmoinfo.com http://www.centralmoinfo.com/ /Super Station KRES 104.7 FM/ /Information Radio KWIX 1230 AM/ /The Captain KIRK 99.9 FM/ /Glory KTCM 97.3 FM/ / / /FlatCertLogoGradient_000.jpg / / / /This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited./ / / ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] Log failing to play
Right you are about the CAPS. I was copying the file directory he gave in his original message which has a cap H in home. The subsequent message had the more common lower case directory. Bill Putney - KPTZ Port Townsend, WA On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 9:09 AM, Kevin Miller atf...@alaska.net wrote: On 09/19/2011 08:03 AM, Matthew Chambers wrote: I went digging and here is my rd.conf file snip [Cae] # AudioRoot can be changed if your music is stored in another place AudioRoot=/home/kres/Music Note the non-capital h in home. /home is a different directory that /Home in Linux. Windows doesn't care about case, Linux/UNIX systems do... ...Kevin -- Kevin Miller Juneau, Alaska http://www.alaska.net/~atftb In the history of the world, no one has ever washed a rented car. - Lawrence Summers ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] Log failing to play
Check permissions and ownership on the files and the file directory. I think they should all be owned user and group nobody and nogroup. If you do an ls -l in the directory you should see that. You'll also see the permissions. The permissions for my sound files are set to -rw-r--r--. Bill On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:32 AM, Matthew Chambers matth...@regionalradio.com wrote: Ok the correct path is /home/kres/Music and i can play carts from the sound panel screen but still not working from the log, the start/stop squares on the left are now green again and it looks like it is thinking about playing a cut but past that no indication that anything is playing. On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Rob Landry 41001...@interpring.comwrote: On Mon, 19 Sep 2011, Matthew Chambers wrote: # AudioRoot can be changed if your music is stored in another place AudioRoot=/home/kres/Music Ah. That's a different story entirely. Note that /home/kres/Music is not the same place as /Home/KRES/Music; Linux file and path names are case sensitive. Rob ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev -- *Matthew A. Chambers, CBT* Assist. Broadcast Engineer *KWIX - KRES - KIRK - KTCM* 300 West Reed Street Moberly, MO 65270 660-263-1500 FAX: 660-269-8811 Cell: 660-676-3219 www.centralmoinfo.com *Super Station KRES 104.7 FM* *Information Radio KWIX 1230 AM* *The Captain KIRK 99.9 FM* *Glory KTCM 97.3 FM* * * *[image: FlatCertLogoGradient_000.jpg] * * * *This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited.* * * ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
[RDD] ISRC Codes? What do you report?
We've used the RDLibrary ripper to rip CD's into our Rivendell. I started looking at reports to send to the music licensing agencies. It looks like most of the stuff they want is missing. I think there are a few ISRC codes but it seems like most CDs don't encode them. Most of the cuts have artist and title and that's it. There are no album titles, record company marketing names, catalog numbers, UPC codes and on and on. It sounds like if there is an ISRC code a lot f the other info isn't required. Is there a way to retroactively get this info into our library or do we have to start from scratch? Thanks, Bill Putney - KPTZ Port Townsend, WA ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] ISRC Codes? What do you report?
James, Thanks for the reply. We've running for about 3 months and have about 6,000 music carts so far. Now we've finally got some volunteer music librarians and I suppose at some point we'll have to put them to work reripping and adding data to the music database. What have you been using for scheduler codes? Maybe we should start a secret Rivendell library sharing club. Bill Putney - KPTZ Port Townsend, WA Sent from my iPad On Aug 7, 2011, at 8:46 PM, James Harrison ja...@talkunafraid.co.uk wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 While it won't help you retroactively without some work to integrate it with the Rivendell database, and it's not a _perfect_ method, you should look at the MusicBrainz database. It's online, freely available, and contains ISRC and other data for most things. Not sure about UPCs or catalog numbers, but it will let you identify most albums (except where there's more than one album with the track on). I have MB support in IRIS (https://github.com/JamesHarrison/iris), a tool I put together a little while back to handle content ingest- I haven't had time to finish the Rivendell importer stage, though, so it can't yet directly insert things like ISRC data into the database (since rdimport won't accept that as an input, making a quick and dirty solution impossible). I think someone's experimented in the past with integrating the MusicBrainz Picard tagger with the Rivendell library- might be worth looking into that. Cheers, James Harrison On 07/08/2011 21:19, Bill Putney wrote: We've used the RDLibrary ripper to rip CD's into our Rivendell. I started looking at reports to send to the music licensing agencies. It looks like most of the stuff they want is missing. I think there are a few ISRC codes but it seems like most CDs don't encode them. Most of the cuts have artist and title and that's it. There are no album titles, record company marketing names, catalog numbers, UPC codes and on and on. It sounds like if there is an ISRC code a lot f the other info isn't required. Is there a way to retroactively get this info into our library or do we have to start from scratch? Thanks, Bill Putney - KPTZ Port Townsend, WA ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk4/XDEACgkQmJV2s0zjsDhqiwCZAWxSdvXdQee+xG6yv5fPa1T8 iCAAn1XJW6e/umiwMU+jRrSM8V9zTru4 =BrX9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
