Re: CS and the meat you eat
Not for those who like it very rare I can understand the emotional appeal to soak meat in CS and it may prolong it use by date... but if you actually cook it isn't this a bit redundant? Ivan. - Original Message - From: Judith Thamm galing...@chariot.net.au To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, 27 July 2000 18:45 Subject: Re: CS and the meat you eat I soak any 'out of use by date meat in CS - highly diluted and have never got sick - worst was 2 weeks old meat I'd forgotten. I always bathe chicken in CS on principle. Both my sons worked for a time at a chicken processing factory - one got mono nucleosis and almost died and the other caught something else and to be hospitalised too. I NEVER eat UN-CS chicken! Judith. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS and the meat you eat
My primary concern for raw meat is trichinosis. I don't think CS kills worms. Oh heck, just stick a couple of electrodes into your meat and give it a good zap. That should do. Philip I. Marie Sr. wrote: Interesting-ly enough, I just read a book by Wayne Green on the secrets to good health. It's 80 pages of neat info. His thoughts are, we were evolved on raw food and that's what the body is designed to handle. Cooked food is toxic. I like his thinking on this. He speaks of raw meat, how good it tastes, and how it passes through you quickly. Says you will have 3, loose, bowel movements a day on a raw food diet. Then says if your afraid of raw hamburger, *soak it in CS*. My primary concern for raw meat is trichinosis. I don't think CS kills worms. Marshall Hi Marshal; I always thought it was limited to pork but looked it up. trichinosis (tr¾k1õ-nÅ2s¾s) n. A disease caused by eating undercooked meat, usually pork, that contains trichinae, which develop as adults in the intestines and as larvae in the muscles, causing intestinal disorders, fever, nausea, muscular pain, and edema of the face. --- I know sushi is raw fish and a popular dish. Guess worms are a risk but as a kid I remeber eating raw hamburger and beef. Phil Sr. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCat bathing (OT humor)
I recommend that you get in the tub with the cat and close the sliding-glass doors as if you were about to take a shower yes, been there, done that, BIG mistake, BUT thanks to this list I have learned that CS is good for healing scars. PG On Fri, 28 Jul 2000 18:22:25 -0400, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote: Ha! I think I'd rather deal with the allergy than bathe a cat weekly. Cat bathing has been listed as a marial art! Chuck I knew I could find it Here 'tis: Some people say cats never have to be bathed. They say cats lick themselves clean. They say cats have a special enzyme of some sort in their saliva that works like new, improved Wisk - dislodging the dirt where it hides and whisking it away. I've spent most of my life believing this folklore. Like most blind believers, I've been able to discount all the facts to the contrary, the kitty odors that lurk in the corners of the garage and dirt smudges that cling to the throw rug by the fireplace. The time comes, however, when a man must face reality: when he must look squarely in the face of massive public sentiment to the contrary and announce: This cat smells like a port-a-potty on a hot day in Juarez. When that day arrives at your house, as it has in mine, I have some advice you might consider as you place your feline friend under your arm and head for the bathtub: -- Know that although the cat has the advantage of quickness and lack of concern for human life, you have the advantage of strength. Capitalize on that advantage by selecting the battlefield. Don't try to bathe him in an open area where he can force you to chase him. Pick a very small bathroom. If your bathroom is more than four feet square, I recommend that you get in the tub with the cat and close the sliding-glass doors as if you were about to take a shower. (A simple shower curtain will not do. A berserk cat can shred a three-ply rubber shower curtain quicker than a politician can shift positions.) -- Know that a cat has claws and will not hesitate to remove all the skin from your body. Your advantage here is that you are smart and know how to dress to protect yourself. I recommend canvas overalls tucked into high-top construction boots, a pair of steel-mesh gloves, an army helmet, a hockey face mask, and a long-sleeved flak jacket. -- Prepare everything in advance. There is no time to go out for a towel when you have a cat digging a hole in your flak jacket. Draw the water. Make sure the bottle of kitty shampoo is inside the glass enclosure. Make sure the towel can be reached, even if you are lying on your back in the water. -- Use the element of surprise. Pick up your cat nonchalantly, as if to simply carry him to his supper dish. (Cats will not usually notice your strange attire. They have little or no interest in fashion as a rule. If he does notice your garb, calmly explain that you are taking part in a product testing experiment for J.C. Penney.) -- Once you are inside the bathroom, speed is essential to survival. In a single liquid motion, shut the bathroom door, step into the tub enclosure, slide the glass door shut, dip the cat in the water and squirt him with shampoo. You have begun one of the wildest 45 seconds of your life. Cats have no handles. Add the fact that he now has soapy fur, and the problem is radically compounded. Do not expect to hold on to him for more than two or three seconds at a time. When you have him, however, you must remember to give him another squirt of shampoo and rub like crazy. He'll then spring free and fall back into the water, thereby rinsing himself off. (The national record for cats is three latherings, so don't expect too much.) -- Next, the cat must be dried. Novice cat bathers always assume this part will be the most difficult, for humans generally are worn out at this point and the cat is just getting really determined. In fact, the drying is simple compared to what you have just been through. That's because by now the cat is semipermanently affixed to your right leg. You simply pop the drain plug with you foot, reach for your towel and wait. (Occasionally, however, the cat will end up clinging to the top of your army helmet. If this happens, the best thing you can do is to shake him loose and to encourage him toward your leg.) After all the water is drained from the tub, it is a simple matter to just reach down and dry the cat. In a few days the cat will relax enough to be removed from your leg. He will usually have nothing to say for about three weeks and will spend a lot of time sitting with his back to you. He might even become psychoceramic and develop the fixed stare of a plaster figurine. You will be tempted to assume he is angry. This isn't usually the case. As a rule he is simply plotting ways to get through your defenses and injure you for life the next time you decide to give him a bath. But at least now he smells a lot better. -- The silver-list is a moderated
CSThere is a question in here, can you find it?
I have not been visiting my e-mail too often lately, which means that when I do I have well over 300 messages from some 3 days worth. So, tonight I turn on the e-mail with conviction that this time I will unsubscribe to that CS list. Did I find it boring? Not in the least. In fact, if CS was all that was mentioned I may have been able to tear away. Afterall, I now understand that CS is safe to insert into your ears, safe to insert into your eyes, safe to insert into your(our)vaginas and of course, safe to drink. I do have one question that I have put off. Is it safe for an enema? No, seriously, I am not joking. After reading all the e-mails from the past 4 days on this list and laughing the whole way(well, most of it) I find once again that I am unable to let go of you guys. Call it a mental illness, act of God(or science) or just simply feeling like this is an odd kind of family that once you've joined it is hard to leave or more like a great soap opera that keeps you glued to the screen daily(not I of course). I guess I could always be BAD and get kicked off some day. Until then...I just want to say, I for one enjoy the divresity of subject and yes, I have greatly restrained myself from joining some of the more interesting discussions(like the moon one---by the way, did you know that on Mars they faked...oh never mind). Pg -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCat bathing (OT humor)
Since you are on the subject of cats. Does anyone know of a SAFE detox remedy for cats? PG Thanks Chuck. This is hilarious! My husband I both had a very good laugh. It is now winging it's way through cyber space to my sister my aunt. Nina C. Nina L. Chew Julie H. Martin Wavorgonaked Cattery Hairless Cats of the 21st Century Sphynx Russian Peterbald www.hairlesscats.com God made the cat in order that man might have the pleasure of caressing the lion. - Fernand Mery - Original Message - From: cking...@nycap.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, July 28, 2000 6:39 PM Subject: CSCat bathing (OT humor) On Fri, 28 Jul 2000 18:22:25 -0400, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote: Ha! I think I'd rather deal with the allergy than bathe a cat weekly. Cat bathing has been listed as a marial art! Chuck I knew I could find it Here 'tis: Some people say cats never have to be bathed. They say cats lick themselves clean. They say cats have a special enzyme of some sort in their saliva that works like new, improved Wisk - dislodging the dirt where it hides and whisking it away. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRacoons, CS and rabies
Now let's jump to racoons. Yes, this is about CS. I have several racoon families around my home. About 40 miles away, they claim that they have found rabies in some racoons. Does anyone know the effect of CS on rabies?---as prevention and/or treatment PG Thanks Chuck. This is hilarious! My husband I both had a very good laugh. It is now winging it's way through cyber space to my sister my aunt. Nina C. Nina L. Chew Julie H. Martin Wavorgonaked Cattery Hairless Cats of the 21st Century Sphynx Russian Peterbald www.hairlesscats.com God made the cat in order that man might have the pleasure of caressing the lion. - Fernand Mery - Original Message - From: cking...@nycap.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, July 28, 2000 6:39 PM Subject: CSCat bathing (OT humor) On Fri, 28 Jul 2000 18:22:25 -0400, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote: Ha! I think I'd rather deal with the allergy than bathe a cat weekly. Cat bathing has been listed as a marial art! Chuck I knew I could find it Here 'tis: Some people say cats never have to be bathed. They say cats lick themselves clean. They say cats have a special enzyme of some sort in their saliva that works like new, improved Wisk - dislodging the dirt where it hides and whisking it away. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CS and the meat you eat
Does anyone soak store-bought meat in CS? This idea I got after reading the following: To: list spot...@yournet.com Subject: Tumor Meat øXøøXøøXøøXøøXø TUMOR MEAT Meat from diseased animals approved for consumers By LANCE GAY Scripps Howard News Service July 14, 2000 WASHINGTON - The federal agency overseeing food inspection is imposing new rules reclassifying as safe for human consumption animal carcasses with cancers, tumors and open sores. Federal meat inspectors and consumer groups are protesting the move to classify tumors and open sores as aesthetic problems, which permits the meat to get the government's purple seal of approval as a wholesome food product. I don't want to eat pus from a chicken that has pneumonia. I think it's gross, said Wenonah Hauter, director of Public Citizen's Critical Mass Energy Project. Most Americans don't want to eat this sort of contamination in their meals. Delmer Jones, a federal food inspector for 41 years who lives in Renlap, Ala., said he's so revolted by the lowering of food wholesomeness standards that he doesn't buy meat at the supermarket anymore because he doesn't trust that it is safe to eat. I eat very little to no meat, but sardines and fish, said Jones, president of the National Joint Council of Meat Inspection Locals, a union of 7,000 meat inspectors nationwide affiliated with the American Federation of Government Employees. He said he's trying to get his wife to stop eating meat. I've told her what she's eating. The union is battling related Agriculture Department plans to rely on scientific testing of samples of butchered meats to determine the wholesomeness of meat, rather than traditional item-by-item scrutiny by federal inspectors. A 1959 federal law requires inspectors from the Agriculture Department's Food Inspection and Safety System to inspect all slaughtered animals before they can be sold for human consumption. The Agriculture Department began implementing the new policy as part of a pilot project in 24 slaughter houses last October, and plans to expand the system nationwide covering poultry, beef and pork. The agency this month extended until Aug. 29 the time for the public to comment on the regulations, and won't issue final rules until after the comments are received. In 1998, the inspections and safety system reclassified an array of animal diseases as being defects that rarely or never present a direct public health risk and said unaffected carcass portions could be passed on to consumers by cutting out lesions. Among animal diseases the agency said don't present a health danger are: - Cancer; - A pneumonia of poultry called airsacculitis; - Glandular swellings or lymphomas; - Sores; - Infectious arthritis; - Diseases caused by intestinal worms. In the case of tumors, the guidelines state: remove localized lesion(s) and pass unaffected carcass portions. They just cut off the areas,'' said Carol Blake, spokeswoman for the Agriculture Department's inspection and safety system. But Jones and consumer groups say production lines are moving so fast that they can't catch all the diseased carcasses, and some are ending up on supermarket shelves. When I started inspecting, inspectors were looking at 13 birds a minute, then 40, and now it's 91 birds a minute with three inspectors. You cannot do your job with 91 birds a minute, Jones said. The Agriculture Department is also experimenting with proposed rules that would require federal food inspectors to monitor what the plant employees are doing, rather than inspecting each carcass individually. They are aimed at bringing a new scientific approach to federal meat inspection to cut down on E. coli bacteria and other contamination. The inspection and safety agency says a survey of pilot plants using the new system concluded that less than 1 percent of the poultry examined at the end of the production line and released for public consumption was unwholesome. At a public hearing on the findings this year, Karen Henderson of Agriculture's division of field operations admitted that defective carcasses are being approved for human use under the pilot program. Absolutely. There's no system that we are aware of that is capable of removing every defect from the process, she said. Felicia Nestor, director of the Government Accountability Project, a Washington watchdog group, said the pilot project found chickens with higher levels of fecal and other contamination than in traditional methods of inspecting. A lot of diseased animals are going out, she said. A. Raymond Randolph, a federal appeals court judge, this month said federal food safety laws require meat and poultry inspectors to examine every carcass that moves through slaughterhouses and processing plants. The laws clearly contemplate that when inspections are done, it will be federal inspectors, rather than private employees, who will make the critical determination whether
CS and vaccines
Any knowledge, opinions, or testimonials out there as to any effect CS may have on the detrimental efects of vaccinations? Instead of blowing billions pushing questionable vaccines on innocent, unsuspecting children, why aren't we addressing the safety issues that exist right now, today? Here's the tip of the iceberg: Since 1988 autism increased 273% in California and a startling 571% in Florida. Some researchers suspect the incidence rate is tied to MMR vaccine. What are we doing about it? Fifty percent of all reported adverse reactions to hepatitis B vaccine have been listed as serious vs. the typical 15% serious rate of other vaccines. What's wrong? Japan isn't into mandated infant vaccinations, rarely mixes vaccines, and dramatically altered their schedule to avoid adverse reactions. The Japanese now enjoy the lowest infant mortality rate in the world. The U.S. rate is a distant, embarrassing number 25. How come? Shouldn't we find out the reasons why before we accept even 1 more of the 35 new vaccines heading our way? There's so much money in the toxic brew that some 150 more are in various stages of development. Other than the pharmaceutical companies, who the hell wants them? Why are our children being mandated into human guinea pigs? Amazingly enough, people roll up their sleeves - and those of their children - without even batting an eyelash. Please listen carefully to the words spoken to me by the mother of a seriously vaccine-injured child. It never occurred to me that once you squirt it in, you can't get it out. My daughter will pay the penalty for the rest of her life. * * * * * * * * * * * Autistic children caused by MMR vaccine By Julie Foster © 2000 WorldNetDaily.com A report by Dr. Harold Buttram, a practicing physician in Quakertown, Pa., suggests the recent increase in the number of autistic children could be caused by the combination measles, mumps and rubella, or MMR, vaccine routinely given to children at age 18 months -- a phenomenon the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention claim is highly unlikely. In a past study of autistic children, researchers found that 84 percent of the children had antibodies against a certain type of brain tissue, indicating that the immune system was destroying brain cells. The researchers also found the brain tissue antibody to be very similar to the antibody that's formed against the MMR vaccine. Additionally, MMR antibody was found in 59 percent of the autistic children compared to 10 percent in normal children. Buttram also noted some experts believe certain childhood illnesses including measles, mumps, rubella and chicken pox are a necessary and helpful step in strengthening the immune system. Because the vaccines are given by injection, the immune response of the mucous membranes, through which these diseases enter the body, is not challenged and strengthened. Those who support the theory also attribute the use of vaccines to the great increase in cases of asthma and eczema, both of which are diseases of the mucous membranes. Buttram was quick to point out that measles and other diseases may result in complications that cause brain injury. Therefore, physicians and government officials may be choosing between the lesser of two evils. It is true that there may be situations where extreme measures may be justified, as the lesser of two evils, to preserve life and health, Buttram wrote. The basic question, therefore, is whether the benefits of current childhood vaccines outweigh the harm, or whether the reverse is true. The incidence of autism in California increased 273 percent from 1987 to 1998, and a growing number of medical professionals are questioning the FDA's vaccine safety tests. A small but growing minority of physicians and scientists are becoming aware that safety testing for the various vaccines has been woefully inadequate, Buttram wrote. He cited a 1994 National Academy of Sciences review of the safety of the hepatitis B vaccine. The review was done to investigate five possible adverse effects of the vaccine. However, conclusions could not be made about four of the effects due to a lack of enough research. Dr. Bernard Rimland, founder and director of the Autism Research Institute in San Diego, Calif., told DiscoveryHealth.com, There are no data on the triple vaccines. When the institute opened in 1967, Rimland noticed that a number of parents had mentioned that the diptheria, pertussin and tetanus, or DPT, vaccine seemed to have an adverse effect on their children. In the late '70s and early '80s, we began hearing the same thing about MMR, he said. Rimland pointed out that triple vaccines can put additional stress on the body. A person's immune system usually deals with one virus at a time. Combining the individual measles, mumps and rubella vaccines into one package results in a much more dangerous vaccine, he said. Rimland also noted that doctors can report adverse effects of vaccines
CS for diagnosed HIV?
Before you decide to take CS for HIV, know what some experts are saying about HIV(not a virus): Subject: Neville Hodgkinson in South Africa The Sunday Independent, Johannesburg, published the following article in their Inside Story section of the main newspaper on 9 July 2000: Headline: Some observers are critical of HIV theory and they have a right to be heard By Neville Hodgkinson The huge flaws in the HIV theory go deeper than questions over the extent to which HIV is the cause of Aids, or the toxicity or effectiveness of drugs directed against the virus. Astonishingly, they challenge the very existence of the virus itself - and thus, the validity of the HIV test - as well as the multibillion-dollar industry producing pharmaceutical interventions for Aids. Some of the scientists contributing to President Thabo Mbeki's Aids Advisory Panel have been trying for more than a decade to demonstrate these flaws to the scientific community. No one would listen. None of the mainstream journals would publish their work. There was no discussion. From the beginning, powerful political, social and commercial forces shaped Aids science, and the possibility that the HIV theory might be fundamentally wrong soon became scientifically unthinkable. This is one reason why Mbeki has incurred such incomprehension and criticism. Few of the doctors and scientists who signed last week's pro-HIV Durban Declaration know of the criticism to which the HIV theory has been subjected. There has been an information blackout by leading scientific journals such as Nature, which helped organise the declaration. While scientists are pressing for a reappraisal of the HIV theory, the most comprehensive critique has been developed by a group of scientists based in Perth, Australia. Two members of the group, Eleni Papadopulos- Eleopulos, a medical physicist, and Dr Val Turner, an emergency physician, were in Johannesburg last week to give evidence to the advisory panel. They received support from scientists in other fields of expertise, including epidemiology, virus isolation and HIV diagnosis. It was on the basis of this evidence that the panel agreed to research the validity of the HIV test. This is what the Perth group says: · Cells of the immune system can become over-stimulated as a result of a variety of biological assaults. When this happens, they produce biochemical signals that HIV theorists have misinterpreted as evidence for the presence of a new virus. · Triggers for this reaction include exposure to infections, especially in malnourished people whose immunity is already compromised; heavy exposure to blood and blood products and other body fluids, including semen; and heavy drug use. · The body produces antibodies in response to this reaction, but these antibodies are to products of the disordered cells, not to a viral invader. · Poor people in Africa and elsewhere are especially at risk of testing positive for these antibodies, but this is not because of the spread of a sexually transmitted virus. It is because they are more at risk of being exposed to long-established infections, particularly tuberculosis, that trigger a positive result with the HIV test. · People who test positive are at increased risk of becoming ill, and of dying if no action is taken over the true cause of their illness. However, this is not because they are infected with a lethal virus. If the conditions that caused them to test positive are changed, they are likely to stay well. · The HIV test is useful in screening blood, because it helps exclude donations from carriers of TB and other disorders. But it is tragically misleading to tell individuals who test positive that they have HIV. · Claims that the tests are accurate in diagnosing the presence of HIV are unfounded. The tests have never been validated by showing that the virus is present in those who test positive, and not in those who test negative. The method used has simply been to show that people in Western risk groups for Aids are much more likely to test positive than healthy people. The Perth group agrees that this association is present, but says it does nothing to prove HIV as the cause. · The test could not be validated by showing the presence of HIV, because no such virus has ever been isolated from patients, according to previously accepted standards. · When immune cells are heavily stimulated in the laboratory, they can produce particles and other products of the genes in the cells. From these, viral tests have been developed, but the same criticism applies: they have never been validated against isolation of purified HIV. In the rush to come first with a viral cause of Aids, scientists mistakenly inferred the presence of a unique, new, sexually transmitted microbe, and have wrongly scared the living daylights out of us ever since. In the earlier years of Aids, when
Re: CSH2O2 and oxygenation
I don't have a letter from you Pamela asking me about H2O2. Could be the brain injury, but I don't remember needing to ask you a question on H2O2. I have a book on it and I used to do intravenously--til they ran that poor medical doctor out of town--the bastards--oh well Nag nag nag!!! I've got a husband to do that! ;) I don't have time to go online every day - and next week I start doing the last 13 months of someone's books kept a la shoe box style - boxes of papers!.. a busy small - business... so I shall have less time. I'm not an accountant, but I do know how to set up and run a business from the computer - and I'll charge less than her accountant - he can have them to finish when I get them fit for presentation! [and the extra money will be nice..:) ] I don't have a letter from you Pamela asking me about H2O2. Please send it again. School holidays are on here just now and I've gone on late in the day - not my normal time and had drop outs as I've taken down the mail. May have got the chop. Judith. CAN H2o2 be ingested? Does this oxygenate the blood? Yes and there are a lot of buts.. not undiluted. Why do you want to take it? It is not a one-shot or 2-shot job like CS. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSH2O2 and oxygenation
Oops everyone--sorry, I meant to send that e-mail to Judith's personal e-mail--there goes my head again--darn Nag nag nag!!! I've got a husband to do that! ;) I don't have time to go online every day - and next week I start doing the last 13 months of someone's books kept a la shoe box style - boxes of papers!.. a busy small - business... so I shall have less time. I'm not an accountant, but I do know how to set up and run a business from the computer - and I'll charge less than her accountant - he can have them to finish when I get them fit for presentation! [and the extra money will be nice..:) ] I don't have a letter from you Pamela asking me about H2O2. Please send it again. School holidays are on here just now and I've gone on late in the day - not my normal time and had drop outs as I've taken down the mail. May have got the chop. Judith. CAN H2o2 be ingested? Does this oxygenate the blood? Yes and there are a lot of buts.. not undiluted. Why do you want to take it? It is not a one-shot or 2-shot job like CS. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSH2O2 and oxygenation
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 17:12:54 -0500 To: silver-list@eskimo.com From: Pamela Grant pjgr...@northnet.org Subject: H2O2 and oxygenation Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: CAN H2o2 be ingested? Does this oxygenate the blood? I am still waiting for an answer on that one, from Judith, at her e-mail address at: galing...@chariot.net.au. Try e-mailing her. Perhaps she'll write you back. Nada so far, for me. Lynn I think you will find that a couple of good breathes will supply more oxygen to the blood than any amount of H2O2 will furnish. The useful action of H2O2 is in its oxidation rather than in its oxygenation. Ivan. In response to Ivan's remark: The useful action of H2O2 is in its oxidation rather than in its oxygenation. Ivan. Taken from the book: HYDROGEN PEROXIDE: MEDICAL MIRACLE---by William Campbell Douglass,M.D. Dr. Farr in an experiment, uses an oxygen-measuring instrument to measure the oxygen consumption. The patient wears a mask over his face and a delicate, computerized instrument does the rest. the machine calculates the inspired oxygen and the expired oxygen and reports the differnce. The weight of the patient being known, the rate that the body is burning fuel(oxygen) can be easily determined. It's sort of like miles per gallon with your car, except we call it metabolic rate. If the metabolic rate goes up with H2O2 therapy, then Farr is right, and more oxygen is getting to the tissues--OXYGENATION OF THE TISSUES IS THE NAME OF THE GAME FOR GOOD HEALTH AND LONGEVITY. The results of this experiment were unequivocal. In less than two minutes after the beginning of infusion the metabolic rate began to rise. The rate of metabolism went up 100 percent and stayed at that level until the infusion was stopped. The rate returned to pre-treatment levels in about thirty minutes. The other experiment involved the measuring of the change in body surface temperature as a result of expansion of the tiny blood vessels in the skin(vasodilation). If the temperature goes up during the H2O2 infusion, then the body's oxygenation has increased and vasoldilation has occurred. If the blood vessels dilate, the circulation improves and, again, more vital oxygen is getting to the tissues. Within five to ten minutes after starting the infusion, the body surface temperature goes up by one degree, corresponding to the increase in oxygen consumption and vasodilation.A sensitive little photo-electric cell was placed at the end of the index finger to measure the pulse volume. This is an accurate assessment of the expansion of the tiny blood vessels throughout your body. There was a clear and sustained increase of the pulse volume throughout the treatment.All of these measurements-the oxygen consumption, the temperature rise and the blood vessel dilation-were duplicated for six consecutive days on all patients. That doesn't leave much room for coincidence. In fact, the essence of scientific proof is that your results can be consistently repeated in a high percentage of cases studied. 100% repeatability is not too bad. So now you can see the importance of these experiments in your own case. By simply taking your temperature in the armpit and pulse volume at the fingertip we can tell if(1) the H2O2 we are using still has its potency(the solution can deteriorate), and (2) is the H2O2 having the desired effect of the oxygenation of tissue in your body. There are so few treatments in medicine where the results can be so readily and easily determined as with vantage over any other form of treatment. Either it's working or it isn't. There is usually no in-between. Dr. Farr made another brilliant observation from his studies. He perceived that the tiny amount of oxygen couldn't possibly explain the doubling of the metabolic rate observed. He calculated that it would take approximately 416 quarts of oxygen to cause the increase in oxygenation(metabolic rate)observed in the patients. Even if the infusion was continued for 24 hrs., only 3 1/2 qts. of oxygen would be produced-less than 1% of the amount necessary to obtain the results measured. He concluded, therefore, that the increase in oxygenation is due to the infused H2O2 stimulating the body's enzyme systems. So the objections being heard from scientists that only a trivial amount of oxygen could be getting to the tissues is incorrect. They are technically correct, but the results speak for themselves and vindicate Dr. Farr's landmark research. How does this compare to the ingestion of H2O2 and whether or not the same results would be obtained, I do not know, yet. It would be a good experiment. If anyone wants more info on H2O2 I have more written which I can send. But for now I will delete the rest of what I was going to send to you all, unless the interest is there. Pam In a message dated 7/11/00 12:09:12 AM !!!First Boot!!!, gotl...@hotmail.com writes: CAN H2o2 be ingested? Does this oxygenate the blood
Re: CSOzone vs negative ions, CS for acne
Well, I'll have to starrt rubbing some of that CS on my face--sounds like a good facial--maybe even steam it on. Anyway, I have an ionizer--will that do? PG Hi Steve, not confused, indeed ozone is a negative ion. Sunlight (UV) produces ozone in the spray and mists, and humid air found at these places. Corona discharge negative ion generators produce some ozone in air. You know, now that I think of it, I haven't any acne since taking CS, nor cold sores. Ivan. - Original Message - From: Steve Young you...@konnections.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, 16 July 2000 12:43 Subject: CSOzone vs negative ions, CS for acne Ivan, Your statement of near rivers and waterfalls makes me wonder if you are confusing negative air ions and ozone. I know the negative ion levels are higher outside, especially near waterfalls, and the effect is supposed to be healthful. The Russians reportedly use a lot of negative ion generators in commercial air conditioning installations, supposedly with good effects. I can't imagine how a waterfall can produce ozone - what would be the mechanism? Let's see, to stay on topic, I have to add a CS statement I suppose. Some friends say using CS topically on the face of their teenagers has dramatically reduced acne, and works much better than the special $50 goop they bought. --Steve -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSH2O2 and oxygenation
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 17:12:54 -0500 To: silver-list@eskimo.com From: Pamela Grant pjgr...@northnet.org Subject: H2O2 and oxygenation Cc: Bcc: X-Attachments: CAN H2o2 be ingested? Does this oxygenate the blood? I am still waiting for an answer on that one, from Judith, at her e-mail address at: galing...@chariot.net.au. Try e-mailing her. Perhaps she'll write you back. Nada so far, for me. Lynn I think you will find that a couple of good breathes will supply more oxygen to the blood than any amount of H2O2 will furnish. The useful action of H2O2 is in its oxidation rather than in its oxygenation. Ivan. In response to Ivan's remark: The useful action of H2O2 is in its oxidation rather than in its oxygenation. Ivan. Taken from the book: HYDROGEN PEROXIDE: MEDICAL MIRACLE---by William Campbell Douglass,M.D. Dr. Farr in an experiment, uses an oxygen-measuring instrument to measure the oxygen consumption. The patient wears a mask over his face and a delicate, computerized instrument does the rest. the machine calculates the inspired oxygen and the expired oxygen and reports the differnce. The weight of the patient being known, the rate that the body is burning fuel(oxygen) can be easily determined. It's sort of like miles per gallon with your car, except we call it metabolic rate. If the metabolic rate goes up with H2O2 therapy, then Farr is right, and more oxygen is getting to the tissues--OXYGENATION OF THE TISSUES IS THE NAME OF THE GAME FOR GOOD HEALTH AND LONGEVITY. The results of this experiment were unequivocal. In less than two minutes after the beginning of infusion the metabolic rate began to rise. The rate of metabolism went up 100 percent and stayed at that level until the infusion was stopped. The rate returned to pre-treatment levels in about thirty minutes. The other experiment involved the measuring of the change in body surface temperature as a result of expansion of the tiny blood vessels in the skin(vasodilation). If the temperature goes up during the H2O2 infusion, then the body's oxygenation has increased and vasoldilation has occurred. If the blood vessels dilate, the circulation improves and, again, more vital oxygen is getting to the tissues. Within five to ten minutes after starting the infusion, the body surface temperature goes up by one degree, corresponding to the increase in oxygen consumption and vasodilation.A sensitive little photo-electric cell was placed at the end of the index finger to measure the pulse volume. This is an accurate assessment of the expansion of the tiny blood vessels throughout your body. There was a clear and sustained increase of the pulse volume throughout the treatment.All of these measurements-the oxygen consumption, the temperature rise and the blood vessel dilation-were duplicated for six consecutive days on all patients. That doesn't leave much room for coincidence. In fact, the essence of scientific proof is that your results can be consistently repeated in a high percentage of cases studied. 100% repeatability is not too bad. So now you can see the importance of these experiments in your own case. By simply taking your temperature in the armpit and pulse volume at the fingertip we can tell if(1) the H2O2 we are using still has its potency(the solution can deteriorate), and (2) is the H2O2 having the desired effect of the oxygenation of tissue in your body. There are so few treatments in medicine where the results can be so readily and easily determined as with vantage over any other form of treatment. Either it's working or it isn't. There is usually no in-between. Dr. Farr made another brilliant observation from his studies. He perceived that the tiny amount of oxygen couldn't possibly explain the doubling of the metabolic rate observed. He calculated that it would take approximately 416 quarts of oxygen to cause the increase in oxygenation(metabolic rate)observed in the patients. Even if the infusion was continued for 24 hrs., only 3 1/2 qts. of oxygen would be produced-less than 1% of the amount necessary to obtain the results measured. He concluded, therefore, that the increase in oxygenation is due to the infused H2O2 stimulating the body's enzyme systems. So the objections being heard from scientists that only a trivial amount of oxygen could be getting to the tissues is incorrect. They are technically correct, but the results speak for themselves and vindicate Dr. Farr's landmark research. How does this compare to the ingestion of H2O2 and whether or not the same results would be obtained, I do not know, yet. It would be a good experiment. If anyone wants more info on H2O2 I have more written which I can send. But for now I will delete the rest of what I was going to send to you all, unless the interest is there. Pam In a message dated 7/11/00 12:09:12 AM !!!First Boot!!!, gotl...@hotmail.com writes: CAN H2o2 be ingested? Does this oxygenate the blood
Re: CSStructured Water
Now wouldn't it save so much more time if one were open-minded in the first place? Humans, they are SO agravating! Hi Ya'all, When the discussions on structures water I thought that you all were a bunch of loony Tunes!! Thanks to Ivan for the patent number. I went to patents.ibm.com and downloaded Lorwnzen's latest patent dated March 7,200. It describes the equipment and how to make it. All you need is about $10,000 to get started. The glass work is not simple as one might suspect and then one needs a press chamber and shaker table. Oh I don't want to forget the clean room requirement. Then when you use the stuff it must be diluted 10^3 to 10^ 20 to be safe. The preferred dilutant i triple distilled water. Oh yes, one needs an MRA at 100 giga hertz and a O MNR at 25 to 125 Hertz. Then don't forget the conductivity meter and the surface tension meter. Other than that it is a very simple process if you can get the right magnet material inside of the first still column. Next I want to look up John Wlillard's patents and see what gyrations he goes through for his product. Happy structuring. Ole Bob -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS=alkaline?
Sounds good Dear Pam, CS is neutral - but test it with litmus paper to satisfy yourself. It is a 'colloid' of silver not a 'salt' or a 'base' that you make. Reduce what you are eating that is acidic - meats, acid fruits - increase intake of fresh raw veg - esp greens. Eating cooked potatoes [neutral - thought to give a balance in the body] in a main meal and a fresh pear after your evening meal will send your body back into alkaline. Judith. - Original Message - From: Pamela Grant pjgr...@northnet.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, July 14, 2000 6:11 AM Subject: CS=alkaline? Is there any chance that the drinking of CS can turn one's body terrain alkaline? I had become very alkaline last year. I still am, but have no idea what I did to get that way. pam -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSan air circulating CS invention anyone?
Thanks Ivan. I forget you are so far away. Hi Pam, Ozone is ozone and is irritating to mucus membranes at high concentrations. The smell is not a consistent measurement device. Ozone is not toxic per se, but produces toxic compounds when it reacts with pollution. The typical home has less ozone present than will be found in the countryside especially near rivers and waterfalls. The concentration at these places is healthful, and tests have been undertaken which prove that the generation of small amounts of ozone into the air lessens the illness rate of children at school. In my daughters room, I set the air pump and ozone generator, close the door and let it run for 3 or 4 hours, after which I open the door and windows to a lovely fresh room. I do the other rooms in the house periodically. I use an aquarium air pump of some 4 Litres per minute max and an aquarium ozoniser of 150mg/L . I sell these as part of the 4 point Beck protocol although that is perhaps not much use to you on the other side of the world... mind you the US$ is worth 2 x NZ$. Any way, hope this is of help... and jolly good luck. Ivan - Original Message - From: Pamela Grant pjgr...@northnet.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, 15 July 2000 12:34 Subject: Re: CSan air circulating CS invention anyone? Thanks Ivan. I am open to any opinions out there as to a good, non-toxic ozone generator. Or are they as effective? What kind do you use, Ivan? Pam Pam, Go with the ozone. My daughters room is very damp, and I have found that 3or 4 hrs of ozone treatment per week eliminates mould and musty smell. I use the same machine (aquarium air pump and ozonator) that I use for ozonising drinking water. A spray with CS helps also. Ivan. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSan air circulating CS invention anyone?
Thanks Ivan. I am open to any opinions out there as to a good, non-toxic ozone generator. Or are they as effective? What kind do you use, Ivan? Pam Pam, Go with the ozone. My daughters room is very damp, and I have found that 3or 4 hrs of ozone treatment per week eliminates mould and musty smell. I use the same machine (aquarium air pump and ozonator) that I use for ozonising drinking water. A spray with CS helps also. Ivan. - Original Message - From: Pamela Grant pjgr...@northnet.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, 14 July 2000 13:29 Subject: CSan air circulating CS invention anyone? It is strange, but every now and then an e-mail I send to this list never makes it. Oh well, must be something I did as it was not a hot topic to have confiscated by the you know who's. Now, I will try again. In my cellar I have a mold and fungus problem. I have been thinking of waays in which I might be able to rid this problem. I've thought of taking a hose and attaching a container of clorox and spraying everything, but I am sensitive tot hose fumes. I have also considered using an ozone generator to kill off the molds, but I would lso be breathing this toxin in as well. I've thought of replacing CS for the clorox in the hose, but I really don't want to gett everything wet, besides moisture is part of the problem anyway. I am now thinking of a humidifier using CS, but again--it's more moisture and my dehumidifier runs constantly as it is---and would a humidifier really get CS all through the air? What about putting the humidifier into the furmnace(next to the blower?--a friend told me he puts his ionizer in that spot?). What I am really hoping for is to spark the genius in you electrical engineers for a whole new invention for getting CS through the air. Anyone up for the challenge? Pam -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDr. Len Horowitz and clustered water
The patented method of generating clustered water, using a template molecule (herbs etc.) is well within the reach of interested amateurs. Even non-technical ones like me? PG http://www.tetrahedron.org/ Read here of Len Horowitz, and clustered water. The patented method of generating clustered water, using a template molecule (herbs etc.) is well within the reach of interested amateurs. The water drop pictures are quite beautiful and revealing... The water retains the energy signature of the template and elicits similar responses. I have read a patent where the inventor describes how water can be given the signature of a huge range of substances, including fuels, but needed a substantial quantity of custom glass work. Both require the reprogramming of steam. Ivan. - Original Message - From: Pamela Grant pjgr...@northnet.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, 14 July 2000 18:22 Subject: CSDr. Len Horowitz and clustered water Someone asked about how to obtain clustered water, then someone else responded: Dr. Len Horowitz. Then I believe someone asked how to contact him. Well, here it is: Email : te...@tetrahedron.org Tetrahedron,Inc. P.O. Box 2033 Sandpoint, ID. 83864 U.S.A. Tel. 208-265-2575 (office) Order Line: 888-508-4787 or save 20% on all orders by clicking here 100% secure online ordering! -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSconcerning water
Ivan, are you familiar with the Living Water that is being develop0ed in turkey, I beleive? I think the name of the website Shirley C. gave me is called Perfect Scince. They have a super-ionized water that is literally cleaning up large bodies of water. I called a guy from florida(Jim Trider) to see if I could get ahold of this water---but ti looks like I cannot. I had read a report about a guy who presented SIW to the govt. The govt. brouht in 2 extremely polluted aquariums of water. As the guy spoke he poured in the water he invented and within an hour the aquariums' water was as pure as DW. I am asking you, by any chance, if you are familiar with this super ionized water do you know how they produced it? A friend and myself would like to get ahold of this water and begin to clean up the Great Lakes. Wishful thinking, Pam Just a few observations, having followed the water thread. Distilled water is 'dead' in that it exists in the most stable low energy state possible, it has no 'extra energy to impart into systems other than the classic redox potential. The bond angle between the oxygen and hydrogen atoms is as low as 94deg but when reacted with ozone or a vortex etc. the bond angle increases, implying a storage of energy, and it is probably due to this change in configuration that stable water crystals or structuring is enabled and sustained. It is likely that filtered or RO water retains the energy structure that it was filtered with. Ionised water is not really ionised, that is, it is not physically separated into its component ions, but rather the mineral cations or positive ions are attracted to the negative electrode and take with them the hydroxyl (OH-) portion of water (some of which is always present) while the opposite is true at the other electrode where anions and hydronium (H+) ions gather. In other words, alkaline forming substances migrate to one chamber and the acid to another, the alkaline chamber being used for ingestion. This method of producing alkaline water is fine, but relies the presence of minerals in the water, and will not work with distilled water...one case where tap water is a plus! But, effective results, perhaps more so, can be achieved by using alkaline drops such as those from Alkalife, whose lead I have followed. These drops are useful in that they provide the alkaline minerals potassium and sodium which are able to dissolve plaques and deposits, the precursors to many diseases. The most effective results would be achieved by the addition of alkaline drops to ionised water, as the acid part of water is separated and discarded. Alkaline drops cost about $10 for 3 months supply, and so are very cost effective. Ivan -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSan air circulating CS invention anyone?
Thanks. I think the ozone idea is good. Ozone quickly breaks down, so I would set it up, leave the house, and let it run a few hours. Then turn it off and leave the house again for a while until it dissipates. Marshall gd...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 7/13/00 7:52:04 PM Central Daylight Time, pjgr...@northnet.org writes: It is strange, but every now and then an e-mail I send to this list never makes it. Oh well, must be something I did as it was not a hot topic to have confiscated by the you know who's. Now, I will try again. In my cellar I have a mold and fungus problem. I have been thinking of waays in which I might be able to rid this problem. I've thought of taking a hose and attaching a container of clorox and spraying everything, but I am sensitive tot hose fumes. I have also considered using an ozone generator to kill off the molds, but I would lso be breathing this toxin in as well. I've thought of replacing CS for the clorox in the hose, but I really don't want to gett everything wet, besides moisture is part of the problem anyway. I am now thinking of a humidifier using CS, but again--it's more moisture and my dehumidifier runs constantly as it is---and would a humidifier really get CS all through the air? What about putting the humidifier into the furmnace(next to the blower?--a friend told me he puts his ionizer in that spot?). What I am really hoping for is to spark the genius in you electrical engineers for a whole new invention for getting CS through the air. Anyone up for the challenge? Pam The only way I can see you using the CS is by direct application to the surfaces. It would have a better result because of the residual effect than hydrogen peroxide like I have used. That is quickly lost with it. But I see no way to really get what you want by only trying to do this through atomization. Gene Downey -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDr. Len Horowitz and clustered water
Yes, please Ivan, teach us, teach us(say it over and over). That is our next chant(smile). PG Consider me an interested amateur. Can you tell me how? Also have done some laboratory glass blowing. Thought for the day: I believe that water polo is all wet. Erwin Ivan Anderson wrote: http://www.tetrahedron.org/http://www.tetrahedrThe patented method of generating clustered water, using a template molecule (herbs etc.) is well within the reach of interested amateurs. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS for the eyes
I respect odd and unusual---even go look for it. This is good to know as I have had vertigo on several occasions---CS by mouth worked for me. Pam I used cs in my ears and it cured virtigo that two courses of antibiotics didn't help. Dr's agreed that theere was nothing to do but live with it. EVen had MRI's. Yea CS!! I keep learning thanks to you all. Keep up the odd smattering of info, We never knnow when somthing odd, unusual will help us or someone. Betty Ft. Lauderdale -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSconcerning water
How funny. I meant to write Turkey(country, not the bird) Ivan, are you familiar with the Living Water that is being develop0ed in turkey, I believe? I think the name of the website Shirley C. gave me is called Perfect Science. They have a super-ionized water that is literally cleaning up large bodies of water. I called a guy from Florida(Jim Trider) to see if I could get ahold of this water---but it looks like I cannot(well, perhaps can through a proposal). I had read a report about a guy who presented SIW to the govt. The govt. brought in 2 extremely polluted aquariums of water(green sludge--lots of heavy metal poisoning and the other wellpolluted water with petroleum and what-not) for this guy to clean up. As the guy spoke he poured in the SIW water he invented and within an hour the aquariums' water was as pure as DW. I am asking you, by any chance, if you are familiar with this super ionized water and do you know how they produced it? A friend and myself would like to get ahold of this water and begin to clean up the Great Lakes---buy it, make it--anyway we can. Wishful thinking, Pam Here is a quote for you Ivan: When you are inspired by some great purpose, some extraordinary project, all your thoughts break their bonds; Your mind transcends limitations, your consciousness expands in every direction,and you find yourself in a new, great and wonderful world. Dormant forces, faculties and talents become alive, and you discover yourself to be a greater person by far than you ever dreamed yourself to be. -- Patanjali Just a few observations, having followed the water thread. Distilled water is 'dead' in that it exists in the most stable low energy state possible, it has no 'extra energy to impart into systems other than the classic redox potential. The bond angle between the oxygen and hydrogen atoms is as low as 94deg but when reacted with ozone or a vortex etc. the bond angle increases, implying a storage of energy, and it is probably due to this change in configuration that stable water crystals or structuring is enabled and sustained. It is likely that filtered or RO water retains the energy structure that it was filtered with. Ionised water is not really ionised, that is, it is not physically separated into its component ions, but rather the mineral cations or positive ions are attracted to the negative electrode and take with them the hydroxyl (OH-) portion of water (some of which is always present) while the opposite is true at the other electrode where anions and hydronium (H+) ions gather. In other words, alkaline forming substances migrate to one chamber and the acid to another, the alkaline chamber being used for ingestion. This method of producing alkaline water is fine, but relies the presence of minerals in the water, and will not work with distilled water...one case where tap water is a plus! But, effective results, perhaps more so, can be achieved by using alkaline drops such as those from Alkalife, whose lead I have followed. These drops are useful in that they provide the alkaline minerals potassium and sodium which are able to dissolve plaques and deposits, the precursors to many diseases. The most effective results would be achieved by the addition of alkaline drops to ionised water, as the acid part of water is separated and discarded. Alkaline drops cost about $10 for 3 months supply, and so are very cost effective. Ivan -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS and Fibromyalgia
Could you tell us more about this CFIDS Buyers' Club? Thanks, PG I have had severe FM for years. It is now my conclusion that there may be pathogens involved, ie. Lyme, viruses, bacteria etc. I, for example, just got positive Lyme tests, and I have high titers for several other bacteria and virusesalso. In this case, I expect my FM to get much better the longer I am daily and consistently on large doses of cs. Also, I am hearing good reports about those with FM feeling better--ie deeper sleep, more stamina, increased immune function with something that promotes Human Growth Hormone in the body, which declines as we age. I just had mine tested (using the IGF1 test) and on a scale of 80 tp 430, mine was a 79. Goodness. My body can't heal itself with levels that low. So I am looking for a good product. I think I will be trying VesPro from the CFIDS Buyers' Club. I have heard many positive things about. Hope -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSan air circulating CS invention anyone?
It's just a drab gray cellar with yellow fungus on the rock walls, black couldn't possibly hurt the looks(just kidding) ## A humidifier would probably work but if CS leaves a black deposit after the water is removed, you might wind up with a sterile black room. comments? ken At 09:57 AM 7/14/00 -0400, you wrote: In a message dated 7/13/00 7:52:04 PM Central Daylight Time, pjgr...@northnet.org writes: It is strange, but every now and then an e-mail I send to this list never makes it. Oh well, must be something I did as it was not a hot topic to have confiscated by the you know who's. Now, I will try again. In my cellar I have a mold and fungus problem. I have been thinking of waays in which I might be able to rid this problem. I've thought of taking a hose and attaching a container of clorox and spraying everything, but I am sensitive tot hose fumes. I have also considered using an ozone generator to kill off the molds, but I would lso be breathing this toxin in as well. I've thought of replacing CS for the clorox in the hose, but I really don't want to gett everything wet, besides moisture is part of the problem anyway. I am now thinking of a humidifier using CS, but again--it's more moisture and my dehumidifier runs constantly as it is---and would a humidifier really get CS all through the air? What about putting the humidifier into the furmnace(next to the blower?--a friend told me he puts his ionizer in that spot?). What I am really hoping for is to spark the genius in you electrical engineers for a whole new invention for getting CS through the air. Anyone up for the challenge? Pam The only way I can see you using the CS is by direct application to the surfaces. It would have a better result because of the residual effect than hydrogen peroxide like I have used. That is quickly lost with it. But I see no way to really get what you want by only trying to do this through atomization. Gene Downey -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOT-DW--warning, this is about distilled water
Oh no, she has done it again. No, she was not able to restrain herself. Yes, it is another Pam Grant e-mail--this time on distilled water. Nothing scientific--yet, just plain ole experience story. Familiar?--then don't read. It's long. I'm sorry. Not highly CS related. _ Terry, I knew I was asking for it--now I just want to know why you are so passionate about this---I was hoping you would skip over my previous e-mail. Well, here we go. Pamela refers to her experience of feeling worse after drinking DW as a reason for concluding that DW is not good to drink. Actually, no, I did not conclude based upon just my feelings, though you made that assumption. I just didn't want to get into the whole story nor mention the various practitioners who agree. At this point I don't even remember why I wrote it. If it was to convince people NOT to drink DW, I certainly would have written something more substantive than that. I am not out to convince anyone NOT to drink this. I'll have to do much homework first(if I come to that conclusion). You seem to want to convince--so here is what I have to say. Even in this e-mail, I am not out to argue with you---as you will see. Though arguing(or should I say stating a difference in opinion) does seem to be allowed here. _ It is also called a dead water--seen the images taken from under a microscope. I did feel much better when I stopped drinking the DW and started consuming colloidal minerals. You are right to mention about the healing crisis. I am NOT closed minded and I HAVE considered all that you have written here long before you wrote it. I don't know who is right, and frankly at the time I just needed to get well again for I was stuck in a city because of how I felt(couln't drive home it was so bad)--yes, due to the DW(whether that was good or not...hmm--was just listening to my body---perhaps the discussion should be whether or not our bodies know what is best). Did I mention I was at a health conference when this escalated? Let me get a little philosophical here for a moment. I was sitting in this conference and I was going in and out of consciousness(with eyes wide open---eerie). The speaker, a doctor, walked up to my desk where I was sitting and suddenly changed the subject of what he was speaking about. He lifted up the bottle of water I had in front of me(mind you, it was labeled spring water---I had it filled with DW). He began to speak about distilled water and how dangerous this water can be. All I remember is him saying it was a dead water. Life always seems to have a way of bringing me the information I need when I need it most--call it luck or whatever else you want. This wasn't the first time and it was unmistakably my WAKE-UP call!--just when I needed it most! Has this ever happened to you? I feel I can safely say it happens to people--just a matter of recognizing it---some call it the golden-tongued wisdom. Have you ever had a deficiency and found yourself craving that nutrient? The body's wisdom? I was craving minerals---yes. This does not mean that the DW did not have benefit. Until coming to this list, I mostly heard the negative on DW(along with its ability to detox). I did start drinking the water--or that is continued drinking it as I had the idea that I would detox from any unwanted heavy metals(as I still waited for my filters to arrive). I also considered the source of the distilled water--as it is stored in plastic containers for God knows how long before it is bought by the consumer(no. 2 plastic---with light passing through leaches toxins from the plastic--esp. when at room temp.--so I have read)--and being from WalMart. Perhaps you'd want to argue the point about the source of a person's distilled water. Chemicals do leach---though I don't think this was the problem(entirely, anyway). Scientific proof is great---but, so is my gut feeling which seldom ever wrongs me. I would NOT go back to this water(same brand). I am not sure why you seem to take this so seriously. Do you sell distillers or distilled water? Or are you passionate because of the good DW has done? I had a chiropractor who bought a distiller for around $800.00 It was suppose to create highly oxegenated distilled water. I should give her a call and ask how they are all feeling these days. Reportedly, even adding a bit of this specially-made DW water to the well system will clear up and oxegenate the well water. I somehow think that they are probably not drinking it exclusively. The medical industry scorns empirical evidence - meaning subjective experiences which have been observed and reported by unprofessionals - (though they use it themselves whenever they feel they will profit) as being unscientific precisely because of the subjectivity of the report I certainly wouldn't want to give these guys any more ammo than they already have. I have, for the last 18 years, forwarned my clients of the likelihood of experiencing a healing crisis when they
Re: CSnobody home
It is pjgr...@northnet.org. You just need to change the i to j. Sorry, I didn't send that i to you did I? Pam Dear Pam ; I tried to send you a post at pigr...@northnet.org it won't go . Frustrated Bob -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com And The Truth Shall Help You Be Healthy, Pam
Re: CS? on generator quality
Using plain distilled water can take a couple of hours, maybe even as many as 5 depending on electrode spacing, electrode length, voltage and current output, water temperature and size of the container/batch To achieve what? There seems to be a difference in opinion as to what ppm the solution should contain. What do you aim for? To hasten the process, add a couple of tablespoons of the batch you just made to your next batch to jump start it This is good to know. Thanks! Does it matter how old that jump starter is? If the CS is really fine, it'll have a faint metallic flavor. If it's a bit courser, a fairly strong metallic flavor. Yes, it did have that flavor. Ya hoo, success! Of course I knew I had success when the illness was gone within 5-10 minutes after drinking the solution(probably had a bad bottle of ketchup---should have listened to that inner voice that said this ketchup is too old and you will get sick---actually, I am glad I ate it and found out that CS can work so quickly on ?salmonella) I find that with water over 100 deg, I get agglomeration more Thanks. This is what I wanted to know. In Search of the Miracle Cure, Pam ## I'd have to know more about your generator to give you really specific answers but in general. It takes a fairly long time for CS to build up in distilled water. To hasten the process, add a couple of tablespoons of the batch you just made to your next batch to jump start it. Using plain distilled water can take a couple of hours, maybe even as many as 5 depending on electrode spacing, electrode length, voltage and current output, water temperature and size of the container/batch. If you shine a strong flashlight in a dark room onto the electrodes, you shall see a faint white mist dissipating off one of the electrodes. It's working. It could take as long as an hour before this can be seen or just a few minutes. A laser pointer can be used to see a Tyndal effect. If you get bubbles forming, a grey deposit on one rod and/or a black deposit on the other, it has been working. Some people can't taste CS I suppose. I usually can if my taste buds aren't coated with a dairy product and I swish the cs around for a bit. If the CS is really fine, it'll have a faint metallic flavor. If it's a bit courser, a fairly strong metallic flavor. I find that with water over 100 deg, I get agglomeration more often and the CS is more likely to turn yellow after a few days. Your setup may react differently. Try it. Ken At 01:07 AM 7/13/00 -0500, you wrote: Thank you so much for your response. I made a new batch of CS yesterday as I became ill---well, with vertigo. The CS solution I made was the first I since getting on this list--thus, the first solution I've made without salt(or even this year for that matter). Just one problem: when I used salt(in the past), I saw an immediate release from one of the wires(a light gray in color) and in time the entire solution would become gray. That indicated to me to stop processing for to go any further the solution would turn brown. Without the salt there was no color this time--even after an hour or more(should have paid attention to the timing--and temperature). I wondered if the generator was working, but it was. I see it is suggested to have the temperature between 80-100. I just heated the water up and went for it as I knew I needed the solution right away. I drank some of the solution after 15 min. and again after 1/2 hr. I had to leave, but when I got home I drank more of the solution after 1 hr. of processing. Actually, the vertigo was gone after an hour had past from the first drink. Coincidence?--I don't know. Interesting, today I became ill after eating(pretty sure it was unrelated to the other day). Anyway, shortly after drinking the CS, my symptoms were gone--totally. This is one way to find out if my batch was any good--though it was clear(now I understand that it is okay and preferred for solution to be clear--correct?). What is my question now? I have 2 questions: 1. Does it matter if the water temperature is over 100 degrees? 2. How long should I run my generator to be sure I have a fairly potent batch? I want to mention that after an hour or thereabout I checked the solution and there was a dark brown to gray--I'd have to say it appeared slimy--residue attached at the end of one of the wires. What was that and what causes it--and is this a dtermining point at which I should decide to turn off the generator? PG Pam I started this ball so I guess I'll roll it for a moment. The only reason I recommend against utopia is because I've seen photos of what they call the very best quality CS and it appears to me to be the very worst then go on to bring a 'good guy' image in by saying they only do this so that their children will have the best...and now..they can share their good fortune. Well maybe it's true and they don't have a clue. Heck,
Re: CS? on generator quality
Well, there are 24,100 messages in the archives, I dare say you have missed a few on topic ;-) That is probably because I can't get to those archives---so yes, I certainly have missed the whole darn thing Thank you Ivan for the message below. And I just want to congratulate you on your scores. I'm not your mother, but I feel a wave of love go out to you and I am proud of you. Pam Hi Pamela, What causes one generator to produce 'brown sludge' and another to produce clear CS, is... in a nutshell, the uncontrolled stripping of silver ions from the positive silver electrode (anode) in ever increasing clouds, and the aggregation of these ions into larger particles before they can become solvated (surrounded by water molecules), dispersed and stable. If a generator uses some sort of process to restrict and control the stripping of the anode, or increase the dispersion of the particles before they grow too large, then a very stable (indefinite?) clear colloid can be made at high concentration (15+ppm). Current limiting is essential in my book, this restricts the number of ions stripped at any moment, and if the current density of the anode is low enough can achieve the above alone. However this takes time and can be increased somewhat if active dispersion is employed, either by stirring or thermal convection. The physical dimensions of the generating container and electrode configuration are also important in the overall properties of the colloid. But it must be said that all CS, even the brown sludge (if intercepted at the gold stage) is reported to be effective in treating infection etc., and this is likely because of the manner in which it is absorbed (IMO), but the darker the brew the less stable it is likely to be and should not be stored for any length of time. I have posted a simple DIY generator running from a 9 - 12V wall adaptor which generates clear colloid : http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m10918.html Regards Ivan. - Original Message - From: Pamela Grant pjgr...@northnet.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, 11 July 2000 18:13 Subject: CS? on generator quality What causes a particular CS maker to create brown sludge and not another? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com And The Truth Shall Help You Be Healthy, Pam
Re: CSOT-DW--warning, this is about distilled water
Call Janice Campbell at 480-632- 0327 or 1-800-881-1540 X 1000 Pam, where does one find clustered water? Frank in Texas -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com And The Truth Shall Help You Be Healthy, Pam
Re: CSOT-DW--warning, this is about distilled water
No, thank you Dave. And I must stick up for Terry on one point: He did not write those words, I did in relation to some people's response to what I've send this list in the past. Yes, I have restrained myself considerably---and unfortunately,for many. I try not to send unrelated CS material, but this does seem VERY important. I did forget to mention that my experience with DW was not just based upon feelings. My hair turned gray(terribly) and I could not deal with ANY stress at all. It would show up almost immediately as grid line formations all around my eyes. Since giving up the exclusive consumption of DW, my hair now is back to the original color and no more stress lines! Who is the doctor--scientist who believed that the deficiency of minerals is at the base of all disease? By the way, one doctor told me that gray hair is the deficiency of copper. Still Searching For That Next Morsel of TRUTH, Pam Terry writes: Oh no, she has done it again. No, she was not able to restrain herself. Yes, it is another Pam Grant e-mail--this time on distilled water. Nothing scientific--yet, just plain ole experience story. Familiar?--then don't read. It's long. I'm sorry. Not highly CS related. _ Terry, Pam Contrary to Terry's , what seemed to me, disparaging remark(s) leading in to your remarks, I appreciate the tone and content of your email; and am also encouraging, for my benefit, a chance to express an opinion (or question) on water without it being treated as a frivolous aside. snip Okay, try to convince me. At present, I am into clustered water---which is evidenced by a beautiful 6-sided water molecule--as close as DR. Lorenzen could achieve to the 6-sided water molecule found at the 6 healing waters sites around the world. IN Search of TRUTH, This is what I believe, after much study, many opinions, (and facts) to be the most beneficial water for long term use in helping to optimize my well being. I hope the CS list continues to focus on being a place to find out the latest technical information on CS production and use but also continues to be accepting enough of some basic information that impacts the reason (I assume) that most of us participate i.e.. To help ourselves and others sort out the most efficacious methods to regain and maintain optimum health . Thanks, Pam Dave Perkins enjoy being email: dperk...@betterwayhealth.com web site: www.betterwayhealth.com - Original Message - From: Pamela Grant pjgr...@northnet.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 5:47 AM Subject: Re: CSOT-DW--warning, this is about distilled water Oh no, she has done it again. No, she was not able to restrain herself. Yes, it is another Pam Grant e-mail--this time on distilled water. Nothing scientific--yet, just plain ole experience story. Familiar?--then don't read. It's long. I'm sorry. Not highly CS related. _ Terry, I knew I was asking for it--now I just want to know why you are so passionate about this---I was hoping you would skip over my previous e-mail. Well, here we go. Pamela refers to her experience of feeling worse after drinking DW as a reason for concluding that DW is not good to drink. Actually, no, I did not conclude based upon just my feelings, though you made that assumption. I just didn't want to get into the whole story nor mention the various practitioners who agree. At this point I don't even remember why I wrote it. If it was to convince people NOT to drink DW, I certainly would have written something more substantive than that. I am not out to convince anyone NOT to drink this. I'll have to do much homework first(if I come to that conclusion). You seem to want to convince--so here is what I have to say. Even in this e-mail, I am not out to argue with you---as you will see. Though arguing(or should I say stating a difference in opinion) does seem to be allowed here. _ It is also called a dead water--seen the images taken from under a microscope. I did feel much better when I stopped drinking the DW and started consuming colloidal minerals. You are right to mention about the healing crisis. I am NOT closed minded and I HAVE considered all that you have written here long before you wrote it. I don't know who is right, and frankly at the time I just needed to get well again for I was stuck in a city because of how I felt(couln't drive home it was so bad)--yes, due to the DW(whether that was good or not...hmm--was just listening to my body---perhaps the discussion should be whether or not our bodies know what is best). Did I mention I was at a health conference when this escalated? Let me get a little philosophical here for a moment. I was sitting in this conference and I was going in and out of consciousness(with eyes wide open---eerie). The speaker, a doctor, walked up to my desk where I was sitting and suddenly changed the subject of what he was speaking about. He lifted up the bottle
Re: CSnobody home
P J Grant is much nicer than Pig Rant which is what I read Bob had. : that is so funny! perhaps I do rant--but a pig I am not any more. lost 38 lbs. in 4 months---wasn't planned--I just got a boost-start from that DW I did--not that I want people to take that they should drink DW so as to become anorexic too(just kidding, Terry) pam Pamela Grant wrote: It is pjgr...@northnet.org. You just need to change the i to j. Sorry, I didn't send that i to you did I? Pam Dear Pam ; I tried to send you a post at pigr...@northnet.org it won't go . This is good. P J Grant is much nicer than Pig Rant which is what I read Bob had. : Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com And The Truth Shall Help You Be Healthy, Pam
CS=alkaline?
Is there any chance that the drinking of CS can turn one's body terrain alkaline? I had become very alkaline last year. I still am, but have no idea what I did to get that way. pam And The Truth Shall Help You Be Healthy, Pam -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOT-DW--warning, this is about distilled water
I don't know. That is a good point. And yes, Lords or Lourdes is one of the places. But, does that explain(H2O2) the difference under the microscope for the structure of the molecule? I just found the packet sent along with my clustered water product. Next to the photo of a distilled water molecule it states: Water is shown to have memory. This molecule of distilled water is an example of what happens when water is stripped or had its memory erased. Can anyone enlighten me as to what they mean by the memory of the water? Thanks, Pam Is Lairds or Lards France one of the 6 healing water sites you refer to? If so the healing power of this site is Hydrogen Peroxide. If you were to take a test strip, it would test high in H2O2 naturally. I have heard much about this clustered water, is it possible that clustered water does not hold it's energy for very long after it has been bottled, I wonder? Blessings Ted Pam snip Okay, try to convince me. At present, I am into clustered water---which is evidenced by a beautiful 6-sided water molecule--as close as DR. Lorenzen could achieve to the 6-sided water molecule found at the 6 healing waters sites around the world. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com And The Truth Shall Help You Be Healthy, Pam
CSfor the eyes?
Has anyone used CS in their eyes? I have a redness and would like to try putting CS into my eyes, but I would prefer to first ask the group. Thanks, Pam And The Truth Shall Help You Be Healthy, Pam -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS WaterOz [Fwd: products and do you have a website?]
What is the WaterOz? PG Hi all - I am interested in WaterOz products so wrote to the email addy Vilik had given in an old post. For those interested, the original WaterOz does not have a website yet. Email response from WaterOz below. Samantha Return-Path: wate...@camasnet.com Received: from rly-zc03.mx.aol.com (rly-zc03.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.3]) by air-zc05.mail.aol.com (v75_b1.4) with ESMTP; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:50:51 -0400 Received: from web.camasnet.com (www.camasnet.com [207.53.135.66]) by rly-zc03.mx.aol.com (v75.18) with ESMTP; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:50:32 2000 Received: from hostname ([207.53.135.210]) by web.camasnet.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA09818 for samma...@aol.com; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:41:38 -0700 Message-ID: 003201bfecea$744562f0$0201a...@wateroz From: WaterOz wate...@camasnet.com To: samma...@aol.com References: 4e.8343ee0.269ea...@aol.com Subject: Re: products and do you have a website? Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:49:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Samantha, Thank you for the kind e-mail. Unfortunately, your question about whether WaterOz has a website is somewhat complicated. At first, WaterOz company policy was to only sell to wholesalers and retailers, so we allowed distributors to use our name on the Internet. But now that we are selling to the general public, we have reclaimed our trademark, and we will be using the http://www.wateroz.com site by mid-August. But as of this today's date, WaterOz has NO website of its own. See, I told you it would be complicated. John WaterOz 1-800-547-2294 Rt. 1, Box 104-B Grangeville, ID 83530 And The Truth Shall Help You Be Healthy, Pam -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSfor the eyes?
Thank you Marshall, will do. PG Always when there is an eye infection. Normally quits itching immediately, and clears up totally within a few hours. Only use clear CS though to avoid any possibility of staining. Marshall Pamela Grant wrote: Has anyone used CS in their eyes? I have a redness and would like to try putting CS into my eyes, but I would prefer to first ask the group. Thanks, Pam And The Truth Shall Help You Be Healthy, Pam -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com And The Truth Shall Help You Be Healthy, Pam
Re: CS WaterOz [Fwd: products and do you have a website?]
Do they have a colloidal copper water also? I too, am interested in the colloidal gold. Are you familiar with Dan Winters? Perhaps before drinking the colloidal gold, you should read what has been said, if you haven't already(implosion of heart, the need to project love so as to avoid when consuming CG---else go into borg state---just hints. If you want that article I think I have one saved on disk somewhere and can e-mail you off list if you like) Pam In a message dated 7/13/00 3:14:19 PM Central Daylight Time, pjgr...@northnet.org writes: What is the WaterOz? PG It's a company that sells colloidal mineral water. Their prices are good and they have been recommended by listers during the time I've been here. At the moment, I am interested in their colloidal gold mineral water. Samantha -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com And The Truth Shall Help You Be Healthy, Pam
Re: CSfor the eyes?
For some reason, what you wrote brought up another question(I guess in relation to the body's ability to absorb through the skin): Does anyone bath in CS and what has been your experience? PG In a message dated 7/13/00 3:12:17 PM EST, pjgr...@northnet.org writes: Subj: CSfor the eyes? Date: 7/13/00 3:12:17 PM EST From: pjgr...@northnet.org (Pamela Grant) Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com To:silver-list@eskimo.com Has anyone used CS in their eyes? I have a redness and would like to try putting CS into my eyes, but I would prefer to first ask the group. Thanks, Pam And The Truth Shall Help You Be Healthy, Pam Pam: Just the other day one of my eye lids got quite red and my eye was beginning to get red as well. I put a tissue soaked in my 1 PPM HVAC CS over both closed eyes before bedtime for about 10-15 minutes. I followed this procedure for two consecutive nights, and the redness disappeared by the third day. I'm sure that if I were more consciences, the problem would have disappeared a lot faster Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSfor the eyes?
Thanks Inga. Hi, l use cs in my contact lens case..l just add one sm drop to each side. Also l have put a drop in my eyes directly if l see a redness or feel irritation in them. l have NO problems with my eyes at all. l feel it is safe to do this since l have had no ill effects doing it. The ppm l have is 13ppm..but l only use a sm drop. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSfor the eyes?
Thanks, PG Hi Pam, I mixed up some CS and MSM (the MSM to just below saturation) for eye drops. My wife and I both use it and it seems to work just fine. Sure beats that commercial poly-plastic eye solution stuff she was using. Ron Pamela Grant wrote: Has anyone used CS in their eyes? I have a redness and would like to try putting CS into my eyes, but I would prefer to first ask the group. Thanks, Pam And The Truth Shall Help You Be Healthy, Pam -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS WaterOz [Fwd: products and do you have a website?]
Thanks Chuck. You know, I look So forward to your e-mails just so that I can read another one of your quotes. They are great. Do you make them up? I am still laughing. Pam Mucho info on wateroz at: http://www.waterozdirect.com Chuck Sometimes, I'm so good I make myself sick! On Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:27:59 EDT, samma...@aol.com wrote: Hi all - I am interested in WaterOz products so wrote to the email addy Vilik had given in an old post. For those interested, the original WaterOz does not have a website yet. Email response from WaterOz below. Samantha -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS? on generator quality
Using plain distilled water can take a couple of hours, maybe even as many as 5 depending on electrode spacing, Are you talking about how far apart the silver wires are? And if so, what is the going consensus for this amount of space between the wires? PG Using plain distilled water can take a couple of hours, maybe even as many as 5 depending on electrode spacing, electrode length, voltage and current output, water temperature and size of the container/batch To achieve what? There seems to be a difference in opinion as to what ppm the solution should contain. What do you aim for? To hasten the process, add a couple of tablespoons of the batch you just made to your next batch to jump start it This is good to know. Thanks! Does it matter how old that jump starter is? If the CS is really fine, it'll have a faint metallic flavor. If it's a bit courser, a fairly strong metallic flavor. Yes, it did have that flavor. Ya hoo, success! Of course I knew I had success when the illness was gone within 5-10 minutes after drinking the solution(probably had a bad bottle of ketchup---should have listened to that inner voice that said this ketchup is too old and you will get sick---actually, I am glad I ate it and found out that CS can work so quickly on ?salmonella) I find that with water over 100 deg, I get agglomeration more Thanks. This is what I wanted to know. In Search of the Miracle Cure, Pam ## I'd have to know more about your generator to give you really specific answers but in general. It takes a fairly long time for CS to build up in distilled water. To hasten the process, add a couple of tablespoons of the batch you just made to your next batch to jump start it. Using plain distilled water can take a couple of hours, maybe even as many as 5 depending on electrode spacing, electrode length, voltage and current output, water temperature and size of the container/batch. If you shine a strong flashlight in a dark room onto the electrodes, you shall see a faint white mist dissipating off one of the electrodes. It's working. It could take as long as an hour before this can be seen or just a few minutes. A laser pointer can be used to see a Tyndal effect. If you get bubbles forming, a grey deposit on one rod and/or a black deposit on the other, it has been working. Some people can't taste CS I suppose. I usually can if my taste buds aren't coated with a dairy product and I swish the cs around for a bit. If the CS is really fine, it'll have a faint metallic flavor. If it's a bit courser, a fairly strong metallic flavor. I find that with water over 100 deg, I get agglomeration more often and the CS is more likely to turn yellow after a few days. Your setup may react differently. Try it. Ken At 01:07 AM 7/13/00 -0500, you wrote: Thank you so much for your response. I made a new batch of CS yesterday as I became ill---well, with vertigo. The CS solution I made was the first I since getting on this list--thus, the first solution I've made without salt(or even this year for that matter). Just one problem: when I used salt(in the past), I saw an immediate release from one of the wires(a light gray in color) and in time the entire solution would become gray. That indicated to me to stop processing for to go any further the solution would turn brown. Without the salt there was no color this time--even after an hour or more(should have paid attention to the timing--and temperature). I wondered if the generator was working, but it was. I see it is suggested to have the temperature between 80-100. I just heated the water up and went for it as I knew I needed the solution right away. I drank some of the solution after 15 min. and again after 1/2 hr. I had to leave, but when I got home I drank more of the solution after 1 hr. of processing. Actually, the vertigo was gone after an hour had past from the first drink. Coincidence?--I don't know. Interesting, today I became ill after eating(pretty sure it was unrelated to the other day). Anyway, shortly after drinking the CS, my symptoms were gone--totally. This is one way to find out if my batch was any good--though it was clear(now I understand that it is okay and preferred for solution to be clear--correct?). What is my question now? I have 2 questions: 1. Does it matter if the water temperature is over 100 degrees? 2. How long should I run my generator to be sure I have a fairly potent batch? I want to mention that after an hour or thereabout I checked the solution and there was a dark brown to gray--I'd have to say it appeared slimy--residue attached at the end of one of the wires. What was that and what causes it--and is this a dtermining point at which I should decide to turn off the generator? PG Pam I started this ball so I guess I'll roll it for a moment. The only reason I recommend against utopia is because I've seen photos of what they call the very best quality CS
Re: CS for the eyes
Thank you everyone for your respones. I just got back to my computer as I was putting CS drops into my eyes. Next, I am thinking of trying it in my ears. PG Has anyone used CS in their eyes? I have a redness and would like to try putting CS into my eyes, but I would prefer to first ask the group. Thanks, Pam I have used it in my eyes with good results. -hamilton hamilton williams hamilto...@webtv.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSan air circulating CS invention anyone?
It is strange, but every now and then an e-mail I send to this list never makes it. Oh well, must be something I did as it was not a hot topic to have confiscated by the you know who's. Now, I will try again. In my cellar I have a mold and fungus problem. I have been thinking of waays in which I might be able to rid this problem. I've thought of taking a hose and attaching a container of clorox and spraying everything, but I am sensitive tot hose fumes. I have also considered using an ozone generator to kill off the molds, but I would lso be breathing this toxin in as well. I've thought of replacing CS for the clorox in the hose, but I really don't want to gett everything wet, besides moisture is part of the problem anyway. I am now thinking of a humidifier using CS, but again--it's more moisture and my dehumidifier runs constantly as it is---and would a humidifier really get CS all through the air? What about putting the humidifier into the furmnace(next to the blower?--a friend told me he puts his ionizer in that spot?). What I am really hoping for is to spark the genius in you electrical engineers for a whole new invention for getting CS through the air. Anyone up for the challenge? Pam -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSH2O2 and oxygenation
The useful action of H2O2 is in its oxidation rather than in its oxygenation. Ivan. Taken from the book: HYDROGEN PEROXIDE: MEDICAL MIRACLE---by William Campbell Douglass,M.D. Dr. Farr in an experiment, uses an oxygen-measuring instrument to measure the oxygen consumption. The patient wears a mask over his face and a delicate, computerized instrument does the rest. the machine calculates the inspired oxygen and the expired oxygen and reports the differnce. The weight of the patient being known, the rate that the body is burning fuel(oxygen) can be easily determined. It's sort of like miles per gallon with your car, except we call it metabolic rate. If the metabolic rate goes up with H2O2 therapy, then Farr is right, and more oxygen is getting to the tissues--OXYGENATION OF THE TISSUES IS THE NAME OF THE GAME FOR GOOD HEALTH AND LONGEVITY. The results of this experiment were unequivocal. In less than two minutes after the beginning of infusion the metabolic rate began to rise. The rate of metabolism went up 100 percent and stayed at that level until the infusion was stopped. The rate returned to pre-treatment levels in about thirty minutes. The other experiment involved the measuring of the change in body surface temperature as a result of expansion of the tiny blood vessels in the skin(vasodilation). If the temperature goes up during the H2O2 infusion, then the body's oxygenation has increased and vasoldilation has occurred. If the blood vessels dilate, the circulation improves and, again, more vital oxygen is getting to the tissues. Within five to ten minutes after starting the infusion, the body surface temperature goes up by one degree, corresponding to the increase in oxygen consumption and vasodilation. A sensitive little photo-electric cell was placed at the end of the index finger to measure the pulse volume. This is an accurate assessment of the expansion of the tiny blood vessels throughout your body. There was a clear and sustained increase of the pulse volume throughout the treatment. All of these measurements-the oxygen consumption, the temperature rise and the blood vessel dilation-were duplicated for six consecutive days on all patients. That doesn't leave much room for coincidence. In fact, the essence of scientific proof is that your results can be consistently repeated in a high percentage of cases studied. 100% repeatability is not too bad. So now you can see the importance of these experiments in your own case. By simply taking your temperature in the armpit and pulse volume at the fingertip we can tell if(1) the H2O2 we are using still has its potency(the solution can deteriorate), and (2) is the H2O2 having the desired effect of the oxygenation of tissue in your body. There are so few treatments in medicine where the results can be so readily and easily determined as with vantage over any other form of treatment. Either it's working or it isn't. There is usually no in-between. Dr. Farr made another brilliant observation from his studies. He perceived that the tiny amount of oxygen couldn't possibly explain the doubling of the metabolic rate observed. He calculated that it would take approximately 416 quarts of oxygen to cause the increase in oxygenation(metabolic rate)observed in the patients. Even if the infusion was continued for 24 hrs., only 3 1/2 qts. of oxygen would be produced-less than 1% of the amount necessary to obtain the results measured. He concluded, therefore, that the increase in oxygenation is due to the infused H2O2 stimulating the body's enzyme systems. So the objections being heard from scientists that only a trivial amount of oxygen could be getting to the tissues is incorrect. They are technically correct, but the results speak for themselves and vindicate Dr. Farr's landmark research. How does this compare to the ingestion of H2O2 and whether or not the same results would be obtained, I do not know, yet. It would be a good experiment. If anyone wants more info on H2O2 I have more written which I can send. But for now I will delete the rest of what I was going to sendto you all, unless the interest is there. Pam -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSDr. Len Horowitz and clustered water
Someone asked about how to obtain clustered water, then someone else responded: Dr. Len Horowitz. Then I believe someone asked how to contact him. Well, here it is: Email : te...@tetrahedron.org Tetrahedron,Inc. P.O. Box 2033 Sandpoint, ID. 83864 U.S.A. Tel. 208-265-2575 (office) Order Line: 888-508-4787 or save 20% on all orders by clicking here 100% secure online ordering! -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS? on generator quality
Thank you so much for your response. I made a new batch of CS yesterday as I became ill---well, with vertigo. The CS solution I made was the first I since getting on this list--thus, the first solution I've made without salt(or even this year for that matter). Just one problem: when I used salt(in the past), I saw an immediate release from one of the wires(a light gray in color) and in time the entire solution would become gray. That indicated to me to stop processing for to go any further the solution would turn brown. Without the salt there was no color this time--even after an hour or more(should have paid attention to the timing--and temperature). I wondered if the generator was working, but it was. I see it is suggested to have the temperature between 80-100. I just heated the water up and went for it as I knew I needed the solution right away. I drank some of the solution after 15 min. and again after 1/2 hr. I had to leave, but when I got home I drank more of the solution after 1 hr. of processing. Actually, the vertigo was gone after an hour had past from the first drink. Coincidence?--I don't know. Interesting, today I became ill after eating(pretty sure it was unrelated to the other day). Anyway, shortly after drinking the CS, my symptoms were gone--totally. This is one way to find out if my batch was any good--though it was clear(now I understand that it is okay and preferred for solution to be clear--correct?). What is my question now? I have 2 questions: 1. Does it matter if the water temperature is over 100 degrees? 2. How long should I run my generator to be sure I have a fairly potent batch? I want to mention that after an hour or thereabout I checked the solution and there was a dark brown to gray--I'd have to say it appeared slimy--residue attached at the end of one of the wires. What was that and what causes it--and is this a dtermining point at which I should decide to turn off the generator? PG Pam I started this ball so I guess I'll roll it for a moment. The only reason I recommend against utopia is because I've seen photos of what they call the very best quality CS and it appears to me to be the very worst then go on to bring a 'good guy' image in by saying they only do this so that their children will have the best...and now..they can share their good fortune. Well maybe it's true and they don't have a clue. Heck, I even sent them suggestions and simple circuit diagrams to improve their quality..no response. Ken At 01:13 AM 7/11/00 -0500, you wrote: The only one I recommend against is the last...Utopia You can make fairly good CS with such a unit but it takes a lot of care and experimentation. I doubt you will be able to go stronger than 3 to 5 PPM without making yellow to brown colored CS. What causes a particular CS maker to create brown sludge and not another? ## Mostly 'runaway' [what Ivan said in another post] where the generator just accelerates out of control..because it has no controls at all..not even operator controls. Mind you, I don't know if brown CS is harmful, but I doubt it's as effective as a good clear CS or pale yellow. Personally, if I happen to make some brown stuff while experimenting, I fill a drain with it. [yuck] Or is that a myth? I have 2 CS makers(only tried one so far). I do get brown, but that is when I leave it running too long and I was using sea salt(and distilled water). ## Somehow some people think sea salt is better than an additive free pure salt. Think about how many heavy metals like mercury and chemicals are in sea water. Salt is simply not necessary anyway and may form odd chemical combinations in your CS. I must have missed some crucial e-mails from the list before I joined as I do not understand this. I don't want to start anything here, but I sure would like a suggestion as to what is the best CS maker(s) that people on this list have found(without bias and with first-hand knowledge in relation to their experimentation, testing and and final evaluation)---or has anyone purchased various makers and put them all to the test? Is this a valid question and are there any correct answers to this inquiry--or does it just not matter? From what I have read from certain e-mails that have implied that the quality varies from generator to generator---I just wonder if there is a significant difference. ## Yes there is a big difference. Voltage controlled/regulated/limited is BS...pure sales gimmick in a battery operated generator. Any battery is automatically voltage controlled, limited to it's rated output. That requires nothing extra at all. Current limited is a bit better but usually just prevents the generator from melting down if you short the rods together and does nothing at all for the CS process itself. This is done with a small light bulb or resistor. It will still 'runaway' Current controlled is a very good step and requires some know how to produce. IMO, these are the best and most fail
Re: CSwashing your vegetables in CS
We take a small bottle of CS to us when we eat out. We use it on our hands before eating same as you would the waterless hand sanitizers you see on the shelves. Great idea Supposedly contact with CS of only 6 or so seconds is all that is required to kill them all. We take a small bottle of CS to us when we eat out. We use it on our hands before eating same as you would the waterless hand sanitizers you see on the shelves. But instead of killing 99.9% of some germs, it is 100% of all germs. Most people don't know it but a lot of pathogens are not included in the some germs statment on these things. They are not killed at all, including all virus and fungi I believe. Marshall Pamela Grant wrote: I just received the below message. Perhaps washing our vegetables in CS would be wise. However, does anyone know how long one needs to wash their fruits and veg. in order to kill most bacteria, viruses, along with fungus? I know this is not an easy question as it seems that potency among other factors would need to be considered. Has anyone done a study on this? PG Good morning! Two messages from me in one day! I apologize. For those of you who seldom get email from me, this does not indicate a new trend - you probably won't get anything else from me for a while; however, I believe this alert that I received from my Shaklee Distributor is important enough to be sent to everyone. I know that most of you wash your produce in something: of course, Shaklee recommends Basic H. Just make sure that whatever you use will kill parasites, viruses bacteria without poisoning humans. Plain water won't do. I thought I did a good job washing my produce, but since I throw away the skin of some things, such as cantaloupe citrus fruit, I hadn't thought to wash them. However, as the following safety alert shows, it is important to wash ALL produce, even if you throw away the skin. Cheers! JNP -BEGIN ALERT--- Safety Alerts June 2, 2000 Salmonella Outbreak Offers Food Safety Lesson - Wash cantaloupe and other fruits before eating - From the South Dakota Department of Health Pierre, SD., A salmonella outbreak in several western states is a good reminder to consumers of how important it is to wash the skins of unpeeled fruit before eating, says a state health official. Consumption of tainted cantaloupe has been linked to at least 39 cases of salmonella in California, Oregon, New Mexico, Nevada and Washington. Because cantaloupes are grown on the ground, their outer skin can become contaminated in the field by human or animal waste, or during distribution prior to sale, said Dave Micklos, Director of Health Protection for the Department of Health. Unless the cantaloupe rind is first scrubbed with soap and hot running water, slicing into it can contaminate the fruit, said Micklos. Handle cantaloupe the same way you do raw meat - wash your hands before and after you work with it and refrigerate unused cut portions right away. In fact, all fruits and vegetables that aren't peeled should be washed. Salmonella symptoms, which include fever, abdominal cramps and diarrhea, generally occur one to three days after eating contaminated food and last two to five days. While most ill individuals recover without medical attention, the infection can be life threatening to young children, the elderly and those with compromised immune systems. END ALERT- please visit me at http://www.egroups.com/group/InnerCleanseWellnessCenterhttp://www.egroups.com/ group/InnerCleanseWellnessCenter -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.htmlhttp://escribe.com/health/th esilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWater
Oh no, not distilled! Great for CS, not for drinking. I became very sick drinking only distilled water. PG I am supposed to increase my water consumption and wonder what is the best water to drink. Dr. Hulda Clark recommends filtered tap water. Others recommend reverse osmosis or distilled. Any suggestions? Thanks, Katie -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSeratia MarcescensCS?
Thanks Marshall. PG Pamela Grant wrote: Below is a segment from an article from http://WWW.sightings.com/general2/biotox.htm It states that in order for an antibiotic to kill or inhibit growth of bacteria it must penetrate the outer surface or membrane and enter the bacterial cell which is very difficult. Does anyone know if CS can penetrate most bacteria?--specifically, Serratia Marcescens? PG When CS is acting as an oxidating catalyst it does not have to enter the cell. All it has to do is assist oxygen in entering the cell, and if it is an aneorobic bacteria, that alone will kill it. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDoes C/S have odor / taste????
Thanks. http://silver-lightning.com/tyndall/ Pamela Grant wrote: What is T.E.? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSdosage
Different pathogens replicate at different rates. To stay ahead of the replication, sufficient CS must be in the blood to kill them faster than they are multiplying. Approximately, how long does it usually take for CS to get into the blood stream--let's say, if taken on an empty stomach? PG For prevention I recommend an ounce a day per 100 pounds, taken 1/2 in the morning, and 1/2 at night. That is what my family does. For curing something, the saying that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure is quite true. Different pathogens replicate at different rates. To stay ahead of the replication, sufficient CS must be in the blood to kill them faster than they are multiplying. This can range from a few ounces a day, to a quart or more a day per 100 pounds for rapidly replicating viruses and bacteria. For lyme I would suggest taking as much as you can without getting into severe herx. As they die off and the load decreases you should be able to increase the amount until no matter how much you take, you have no herx. At that point I think you are likely free of lyme in the blood. But lyme is really good at hiding, and to remove it from the cartledge, brain and lymph system may require the additional use of zapper, magnetic pulser and ozonated water. I am not a doctor, and the above is simply what I do. Follow at your own risk. Marshall Katie Jay wrote: Hi all, I am going to start CS in a few days. I have Lyme and mycoplasma. How much CS should I take for active infections such as these? What quantity of what ppm? Does a person's weight factor in? A few swallows a day, as some recommend, is not enough specificity for me :o) Thanks, Katie -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSdosage
Read the research lab reports of what they have found in the fallout of the chemtrails and perhaps you'll want to drink just a wee bit more of that good stuff. PG I tend to only use CS on a as needed basis lately, and when I need it, for simple stuff like a cold or flu, I do about an ounce every two or three hours for a day or two. For heavy duty stuff like food poisoning, I take 8 ounces every three hours. If something more dangerous occurred, like a biological attack, I'm pretty sure I would take 8 ounces an hour. Luckily I have never had to take the 8oz an hour, and hopefully never will, but you never know. Yours in health, James Allison - Allisons Apothecary - Your On-Line Apothecary Visit Us Soon - http://allisonsapothecary.com Home of the $39.95 Colloidal Silver Generator And Wonderful Prices On Quality Products Like MSM, Ionic Mineral Waters and Apricot Kernels - - Original Message - From: Katie Jay kj...@erols.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 12:33 PM Subject: CSdosage Hi all, I am going to start CS in a few days. I have Lyme and mycoplasma. How much CS should I take for active infections such as these? What quantity of what ppm? Does a person's weight factor in? A few swallows a day, as some recommend, is not enough specificity for me :o) Thanks, Katie -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSH2o2
Be sure that it is food grade quality. I recommend the book: HYDROGEN PEROXIDE, MEDICAL MIRACAL by William Campbell Douglass, M.D. PG CAN H2o2 be ingested? Does this oxygenate the blood? rob in Memphis From: lfzbiz...@aol.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSH2o2 Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 23:34:44 EDT Dear Listers: I am looking for an answer from Judith Thamm, as I have a question about H2o2--I was reading one of her posts where she mentions it, but I need to know more, in order to consider getting some, as I have Lyme disease. One of the things I know the Lyme Spirochete hates and that definitely will kill it, is more oxygen in the blood. Can anyone direct me to Juith Thamm's e-mailaddress, or, if you can, give her mine, so I can e-mailher directly? Thanks, Lynn lfzbiz...@aol.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: CSH2o2
That should read--MIRACLE--- Be sure that it is food grade quality. I recommend the book: HYDROGEN PEROXIDE, MEDICAL MIRACAL by William Campbell Douglass, M.D. PG CAN H2o2 be ingested? Does this oxygenate the blood? rob in Memphis From: lfzbiz...@aol.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSH2o2 Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 23:34:44 EDT Dear Listers: I am looking for an answer from Judith Thamm, as I have a question about H2o2--I was reading one of her posts where she mentions it, but I need to know more, in order to consider getting some, as I have Lyme disease. One of the things I know the Lyme Spirochete hates and that definitely will kill it, is more oxygen in the blood. Can anyone direct me to Juith Thamm's e-mailaddress, or, if you can, give her mine, so I can e-mailher directly? Thanks, Lynn lfzbiz...@aol.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com And The Truth Shall Help You Be Healthy, Pam
Re: CSNew
Oh duh! Hi Pam; You can get a stirrer for nothing at Mc Donald's one of those long spoon. Doesn't have to be stirred constantly just keep it in motion . Bob Pamela Grant wrote: Okay. What is the Tyndall effect? All I could find is that Tyndall(John) was an Irish physicist. Also, where might one purchase a mechanism for stirring? Is it John? Stirring really helps distribute the ionic cloud away from the anode as the atoms are being released during production. If you can get them disbursed in the water with stirring, they tend not to agglomerate. It makes a much better product. It will be crystal clear with no color if you keep it under 15-20 PPM. Will also have a minimal Tyndall effect. Trem www.silvergen.com Constant Current Colloid Generators At 03:02 PM 7/9/00 -0500, you wrote: Is stirring necessary? JO\ohn; Make your own genterator, all you need is a DC power source, a digital multimeter, stirring motor, and two pieces of #14 sliver .999 or better and some clip leads. Contact me off list and I can probvide more detailed info. Ole Bob -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CS? on generator quality
The only one I recommend against is the last...Utopia You can make fairly good CS with such a unit but it takes a lot of care and experimentation. I doubt you will be able to go stronger than 3 to 5 PPM without making yellow to brown colored CS. What causes a particular CS maker to create brown sludge and not another? Or is that a myth? I have 2 CS makers(only tried one so far). I do get brown, but that is when I leave it running too long and I was using sea salt(and distilled water). I must have missed some crucial e-mails from the list before I joined as I do not understand this. I don't want to start anything here, but I sure would like a suggestion as to what is the best CS maker(s) that people on this list have found(without bias and with first-hand knowledge in relation to their experimentation, testing and and final evaluation)---or has anyone purchased various makers and put them all to the test? Is this a valid question and are there any correct answers to this inquiry--or does it just not matter? From what I have read from certain e-mails that have implied that the quality varies from generator to generator---I just wonder if there is a significant difference. Also, is there such a thing as a CS solution that does not lose its potency over time? Does this vary from generator to generator? Or is that what certain individuals on this list is trying to determine? These are just some thoughts and questions off the top of my head--sorry if I missed something and these questions are all redundant. Pam While mechanical stirring does seem to get very good results, thermal stirring via convection currents helps a lot and is a lot simpler. Either preheat the water to 80 -100 degrees and let cool while running the generator, or start with room temp water and place it on a small heater such as a 4 watt night light bulb. Letting hot water cool while in process tends to give that light Tyndal Effect but limits the max concentration [with my auto off unit] to about 8-9 PPM as read by a PPM meter. Check out www.colloidal-silver.com and click on the merchants directory for a fairly complete list of generator makers. The only one I recommend against is the last...Utopia They are very proud of the brown sludge their generator makes for some reason. They use 3 nine volt batteries, 2 silver rods and nothing else. I think they recommend using sea salt as well. A no no. With their set up, there's also a possibility of getting some lead and tin into the mix as the wires have exposed solder on the ends. Not extremely likely, but possible. You can do something similar for a lot less. You can make fairly good CS with such a unit but it takes a lot of care and experimentation. I doubt you will be able to go stronger than 3 to 5 PPM without making yellow to brown colored CS. k...@czen At 03:28 PM 7/9/00 -0500, you wrote: Okay. What is the Tyndall effect? All I could find is that Tyndall(John) was an Irish physicist. Also, where might one purchase a mechanism for stirring? Is it John? Stirring really helps distribute the ionic cloud away from the anode as the atoms are being released during production. If you can get them disbursed in the water with stirring, they tend not to agglomerate. It makes a much better product. It will be crystal clear with no color if you keep it under 15-20 PPM. Will also have a minimal Tyndall effect. Trem www.silvergen.com Constant Current Colloid Generators At 03:02 PM 7/9/00 -0500, you wrote: Is stirring necessary? JO\ohn; Make your own genterator, all you need is a DC power source, a digital multimeter, stirring motor, and two pieces of #14 sliver .999 or better and some clip leads. Contact me off list and I can probvide more detailed info. Ole Bob -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com Tired of buying questionable qaulity colloidal silver at high heathfood store prices? Make your own high quality Colloidal Silver at home with this automatic process, current controlled colloidal silver generator. http://www.silverpuppy.com
Re: CSNew
Thanks--is it Bob? PG While mechanical stirring does seem to get very good results, thermal stirring via convection currents helps a lot and is a lot simpler. Either preheat the water to 80 -100 degrees and let cool while running the generator, or start with room temp water and place it on a small heater such as a 4 watt night light bulb. Letting hot water cool while in process tends to give that light Tyndal Effect but limits the max concentration [with my auto off unit] to about 8-9 PPM as read by a PPM meter. Check out www.colloidal-silver.com and click on the merchants directory for a fairly complete list of generator makers. The only one I recommend against is the last...Utopia They are very proud of the brown sludge their generator makes for some reason. They use 3 nine volt batteries, 2 silver rods and nothing else. I think they recommend using sea salt as well. A no no. With their set up, there's also a possibility of getting some lead and tin into the mix as the wires have exposed solder on the ends. Not extremely likely, but possible. You can do something similar for a lot less. You can make fairly good CS with such a unit but it takes a lot of care and experimentation. I doubt you will be able to go stronger than 3 to 5 PPM without making yellow to brown colored CS. k...@czen At 03:28 PM 7/9/00 -0500, you wrote: Okay. What is the Tyndall effect? All I could find is that Tyndall(John) was an Irish physicist. Also, where might one purchase a mechanism for stirring? Is it John? Stirring really helps distribute the ionic cloud away from the anode as the atoms are being released during production. If you can get them disbursed in the water with stirring, they tend not to agglomerate. It makes a much better product. It will be crystal clear with no color if you keep it under 15-20 PPM. Will also have a minimal Tyndall effect. Trem www.silvergen.com Constant Current Colloid Generators At 03:02 PM 7/9/00 -0500, you wrote: Is stirring necessary? JO\ohn; Make your own genterator, all you need is a DC power source, a digital multimeter, stirring motor, and two pieces of #14 sliver .999 or better and some clip leads. Contact me off list and I can probvide more detailed info. Ole Bob -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com Tired of buying questionable qaulity colloidal silver at high heathfood store prices? Make your own high quality Colloidal Silver at home with this automatic process, current controlled colloidal silver generator. http://www.silverpuppy.com
Re: CSNew
Not to argue with you Ken but our auto shutoff generator makes crystal clear CS up to 20-25 PPM as measured with a Hanna PWT using the mechanical stirring motor we have incorporated into our newest generator. Perhaps I should have read this before asking the crucial question in my last e-mail. This generator sounds impressive--but how much? PG Hi List, Not to argue with you Ken but our auto shutoff generator makes crystal clear CS up to 20-25 PPM as measured with a Hanna PWT using the mechanical stirring motor we have incorporated into our newest generator. The CS does not get any color and has an almost imperceptible Tyndall effect. And it's a lot easier than having to heat water or rig up some kind of thermal hot plate. Most people aren't up for that. Many experimenter types are but I think most people aren't. And, cooling water that has been heated is really problematic. What about people that live in cold or warm houses? How hot is hot to start with. How cool does it have to get before thermal currents cease to help, etc. If we're looking for repeatability and ease of use, a motor with a constant stirring speed and a constant current regulator with auto shutoff is about as good as you can get with LVDC process. Sorry to toot our own horn but that's how I see it. Trem www.silvergen.com Constant Current Colloid Generators At 09:44 PM 7/9/00 -0700, you wrote: While mechanical stirring does seem to get very good results, thermal stirring via convection currents helps a lot and is a lot simpler. Either preheat the water to 80 -100 degrees and let cool while running the generator, or start with room temp water and place it on a small heater such as a 4 watt night light bulb. Letting hot water cool while in process tends to give that light Tyndal Effect but limits the max concentration [with my auto off unit] to about 8-9 PPM as read by a PPM meter. Check out www.colloidal-silver.com and click on the merchants directory for a fairly complete list of generator makers. The only one I recommend against is the last...Utopia They are very proud of the brown sludge their generator makes for some reason. They use 3 nine volt batteries, 2 silver rods and nothing else. I think they recommend using sea salt as well. A no no. With their set up, there's also a possibility of getting some lead and tin into the mix as the wires have exposed solder on the ends. Not extremely likely, but possible. You can do something similar for a lot less. You can make fairly good CS with such a unit but it takes a lot of care and experimentation. I doubt you will be able to go stronger than 3 to 5 PPM without making yellow to brown colored CS. k...@czen At 03:28 PM 7/9/00 -0500, you wrote: Okay. What is the Tyndall effect? All I could find is that Tyndall(John) was an Irish physicist. Also, where might one purchase a mechanism for stirring? Is it John? Stirring really helps distribute the ionic cloud away from the anode as the atoms are being released during production. If you can get them disbursed in the water with stirring, they tend not to agglomerate. It makes a much better product. It will be crystal clear with no color if you keep it under 15-20 PPM. Will also have a minimal Tyndall effect. Trem www.silvergen.com Constant Current Colloid Generators At 03:02 PM 7/9/00 -0500, you wrote: Is stirring necessary? JO\ohn; Make your own genterator, all you need is a DC power source, a digital multimeter, stirring motor, and two pieces of #14 sliver .999 or better and some clip leads. Contact me off list and I can probvide more detailed info. Ole Bob -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com Tired of buying questionable qaulity colloidal silver at high heathfood store prices? Make your own high quality Colloidal Silver at home with this automatic process, current controlled colloidal silver generator. http://www.silverpuppy.com
Re: CSColloidal Silver
Thanks for sending us that. I was wondering what bull they would be spouting. PG ../../index.htmlQuackwatch Home Page Colloidal Silver: Risk Without Benefit Stephen Barrett, M.D. Colloidal silver is a suspension of submicroscopic metallic silver particles in a colloidal base. Long-term use of silver preparations can lead to argyria, a condition in which silver salts deposit in the skin, eyes, and internal organs, and the skin turns ashen-gray. Many cases of argyria occurred during the pre-antibiotic era when silver was a common ingredient in nosedrops. When the cause became apparent, doctors stopped recommending their use, and reputable manufacturers stopped producing them. The official drug guidebooks (United States Pharmacopeia and National Formulary) have not listed colloidal silver products since 1975. Dubious Ads In recent years, silver-containing products have been marketed with unsubstantiated claims that they are effective against AIDS, cancer, infectious diseases, parasites, chronic fatigue, acne, warts, hemorrhoids, enlarged prostate, and many other diseases and conditions. Some marketers claim that colloidal silver is effective against hundreds of diseases. During 1998, a Florida-based multilevel company, stated: Our colloidal silver contains 99.99% pure silver particles suspended indefinitely in demineralized water that kills bacteria and viruses. It can beapplied topically and/or absorbed into the blood stream sub-lingually (underthe tongue), thereby avoiding the negative effects of traditional antibioticsthat kill good bacteria in the lower digestive tract. An all natural antibiotic alternative in the purest form available. The presence of colloidal silver near a virus, fungi, bacterium or any other single celled pathogen disables its oxygen-metabolism enzyme, its chemical lung, so to say. The pathogens suffocates and dies, and is cleared out of thebody by the immune, lymphatic and elimination systems. Unlike pharmaceutical antibiotics which destroy beneficial enzymes, colloidal silver leaves these beneficial enzymes intact. Thus colloidal silveris absolutely safe for humans, reptiles, plants and all multi-celled livingmatter. It is impossible for single-celled germs to mutate into silver-resistant forms, as happens with conventional antibiotics. Also, colloidal silver cannotinteract or interfere with other medicines being taken. Colloidal silver istruly a safe, natural remedy for many of mankind's ills. Colloidal silver canbe taken indefinitely because the body does not develop a tolerance to it[1] http://www.seasilver.com/Seasilver Intermational, a California-based multilevel company, claims that American are suffering from silver deficiency. Although silver is not an essential nutrient, product information posted on the company's Web site states: The depletion of minerals in our soil has left us deficient of silver, one of our most essential trace minerals, causing a drastic increase in immune system disorders in our society in the last decade. Research has taught us that all disease is allowed to manifest itself because of a weakened immunesystem. In over 20 years of worldwide research on Colloidal Silver, numerousinterviews with government agencies, health care practitioners and theirpatients, no other nutrient, herb or drug (prescription or over-the-counter)is as safe and effective against all known forms of unfriendly virus,bacteria, and fungus. Additionally, while it is generally known that mostantibiotics kill only perhaps 6 or 7 different disease organisms, reports haveshown that Colloidal Silver has been used successfully in the treatment ofover 650 diseases! Furthermore, strains of disease organisms fail to developin the presence of Colloidal Silver. Colloidal Silver's greatest attribute is its unique ability to function as a superior second immune system in the body![2] The ad below is from the July 1996 issue of Alternative Medicine Digest. Critical Studies In 1995, an herbal distributor named Leslie Taylor tested nine commonly marketed colloidal silver products available at health-food stores and concluded: * Two of the products were contaminated with microorganisms.* The amount of silver suspended in solution varied from product to product and would gradually decrease over time.* Only five products actually showed antibacterial activity in a laboratorytest. To perform the test, she prepared a culture plate with Staphylococcusaureas bacteria, which can cause infections in humans. She then placed a dropfrom each product on the plate and used disks of two common antibiotics as controls. After eight hours of incubation, she found that bacterial growth hadbeen inhibited around the antibiotics and four of the products. * Of course, the fact that a product inhibits bacteria in a laboratory culture
Re: CSColloidal Silver
But the opening of ones mouth from ego and without good backing of the facts, one can sure damage ones reputation fast. They know, however, that the majority of our population will never see through it. I find most people to be quite lazy and willing to be spoonfed the lies and drugs-- ---but then again, it is nice to trust our fellow humans---however, one day people will find out that even that assumption was incorrect. PG In a message dated 7/9/00 1:12:30 AM Central Daylight Time, dtmil...@midiowa.net writes: Yet Dr. Barrett spews forth opinions also without substantiation. For example, he mixes statements for silver preparations with colloidal silver -- hoping the reader will assume that they are the same (they aren't). He also ignores the scores of research reports in acknowledged scientific and medical publications that show the effectiveness of colloidal silver. The anecdotal research (about killing staph bacteria in petri dishes) he does cite is probably correct (but his opinion about the results is spurious) given that there is little quality control for retail colloidal silver products. If you make CS yourself, you can control your own quality. Then run your own tests (on plants, animals and yourself). Amen! I watch this going on all the time. They use to say herbs did nothing. They where useless. As soon as it became a little wider spread in their usage and help from them was recognized, then they say that they can interfere with the use of other drugs. That they are potent to us. Please oh wise people, make up your minds before you open your mouths. Do you not understand that your credibility is suffering? And when one then brings up that may medicines are derived from these plants and act much like them, what about the use by the medical profession of these together also, then you stand there looking stupid again. I am not saying that I don't respect them, I do when I see caring and good sense medicine. But the opening of ones mouth from ego and without good backing of the facts, one can sure damage ones reputation fast. Gene Downey -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMake your own kefir: easy
Another great way to fight off yeast in a relatively short time is by taking a product(a chiropractor once introduced to me) called FORMULA SF22, by Thorne Research.The main ingrediant: 10-undecenoic acid(derived from castor bean oil) PG I make my own kefir. It's good for the colon and serves the same purpose as yogurt in fighting yeast infections. 1 qt. milk 1 pkg kefir starter from health food store (first time only) Heat the milk to 180F but do not boil. Cool it down to about 75F. Cover and let it sit out overnight or until it forms a curd. Chill in refrigerator to stop the action. Put the cold milk in the blender and add fruit or berries. Strawberries or peaches are good. I like it sweet, so I add a little corn syrup or fruit flavored syrup. Serve ice cold. Delicious and healthful. I save a cup of the curdled milk to use as a starter for the next run and avoid buying expensive starter. mama -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSwashing your vegetables in CS
Thanks Bob. I was using food-grade H2O2 for the removal of wax and pesticides. Now I see the necessity of CS for washing also---to kill off bacteria, fungus and viruses--an absolute MUST these days even if you grow your own!!! PG Pamela, Wash with plain water to remove pesticides etc., and soak in watermwith about 1 or 2 oz of CS for about 6 minutes. Ole Bob -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNew
Is stirring necessary? JO\ohn; Make your own genterator, all you need is a DC power source, a digital multimeter, stirring motor, and two pieces of #14 sliver .999 or better and some clip leads. Contact me off list and I can probvide more detailed info. Ole Bob -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDoes C/S have odor / taste????
What is T.E.? Hi LFZBizLdy, Properly made CS of up to about 15 PPM (real ppm) is tasteless. If you have a bright T.E. it will taste lilke metal. If the T.E. is almost nonexistant the CS will ot taste. Ole Bob -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNew
Okay. What is the Tyndall effect? All I could find is that Tyndall(John) was an Irish physicist. Also, where might one purchase a mechanism for stirring? Is it John? Stirring really helps distribute the ionic cloud away from the anode as the atoms are being released during production. If you can get them disbursed in the water with stirring, they tend not to agglomerate. It makes a much better product. It will be crystal clear with no color if you keep it under 15-20 PPM. Will also have a minimal Tyndall effect. Trem www.silvergen.com Constant Current Colloid Generators At 03:02 PM 7/9/00 -0500, you wrote: Is stirring necessary? JO\ohn; Make your own genterator, all you need is a DC power source, a digital multimeter, stirring motor, and two pieces of #14 sliver .999 or better and some clip leads. Contact me off list and I can probvide more detailed info. Ole Bob -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDoes C/S have odor / taste????
Speaking of ionic copper, does anyone take this or make it? I hear of some pretty great things about it. Is any coppr wire safe or does someone on this list provide the wire? PG My wife says she can smell C/S on me and cannot stand the taste or smell. She refuses to use it either topically or internally. Wanna really confuse her? Start taking ionic copper, tin, gold and platinum along with your silver! Yours in health, James Allison - Allisons Apothecary - Your On-Line Apothecary Visit Us Soon - http://allisonsapothecary.com Home of the $39.95 Colloidal Silver Generator And Wonderful Prices On Quality Products Like MSM, Ionic Mineral Waters and Apricot Kernels - -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSheavy metal
http://www.quackwatch.com/index.html * 01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/silverad.htmlColloidal Silver (updated 11/5/99) Someone just sent this to me. I don't know what they are saying on this websiteabout colloidal silver, but if they are out to discredit ALL forms of alternative medicine then it is just as well my Netscape fails me. I thought some of you might want to check this out. PG -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSwashing your vegetables in CS
I just received the below message. Perhaps washing our vegetables in CS would be wise. However, does anyone know how long one needs to wash their fruits and veg. in order to kill most bacteria, viruses, along with fungus? I know this is not an easy question as it seems that potency among other factors would need to be considered. Has anyone done a study on this? PG Good morning! Two messages from me in one day! I apologize. For those of you who seldom get email from me, this does not indicate a new trend - you probably won't get anything else from me for a while; however, I believe this alert that I received from my Shaklee Distributor is important enough to be sent to everyone. I know that most of you wash your produce in something: of course, Shaklee recommends Basic H. Just make sure that whatever you use will kill parasites, viruses bacteria without poisoning humans. Plain water won't do. I thought I did a good job washing my produce, but since I throw away the skin of some things, such as cantaloupe citrus fruit, I hadn't thought to wash them. However, as the following safety alert shows, it is important to wash ALL produce, even if you throw away the skin. Cheers! JNP -BEGIN ALERT--- Safety Alerts June 2, 2000 Salmonella Outbreak Offers Food Safety Lesson - Wash cantaloupe and other fruits before eating - From the South Dakota Department of Health Pierre, SD., A salmonella outbreak in several western states is a good reminder to consumers of how important it is to wash the skins of unpeeled fruit before eating, says a state health official. Consumption of tainted cantaloupe has been linked to at least 39 cases of salmonella in California, Oregon, New Mexico, Nevada and Washington. Because cantaloupes are grown on the ground, their outer skin can become contaminated in the field by human or animal waste, or during distribution prior to sale, said Dave Micklos, Director of Health Protection for the Department of Health. Unless the cantaloupe rind is first scrubbed with soap and hot running water, slicing into it can contaminate the fruit, said Micklos. Handle cantaloupe the same way you do raw meat - wash your hands before and after you work with it and refrigerate unused cut portions right away. In fact, all fruits and vegetables that aren't peeled should be washed. Salmonella symptoms, which include fever, abdominal cramps and diarrhea, generally occur one to three days after eating contaminated food and last two to five days. While most ill individuals recover without medical attention, the infection can be life threatening to young children, the elderly and those with compromised immune systems. END ALERT- please visit me at http://www.egroups.com/group/InnerCleanseWellnessCenter -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSSeratia MarcescensCS?
Below is a segment from an article from http://WWW.sightings.com/general2/biotox.htm It states that in order for an antibiotic to kill or inhibit growth of bacteria it must penetrate the outer surface or membrane and enter the bacterial cell which is very difficult. Does anyone know if CS can penetrate most bacteria?--specifically, Serratia Marcescens? PG # 7. Serratia Marcescens is a significant opportunistic human bacterial pathogen. This microorganism has been shown to be the cause of many life-threatening diseases such as pneumonia, meningitis and endocarditis. It is one of the major causes of hospital-acquired infections. The seriousness of a S. marcescens infection is compounded by the fact that it is very resistant to most commonly used antibotics, thus making treatment difficult. In this study one of the factors contributing to the antibiotic resistance of S. marcescens will be examined. In order for an antibiotic to kill or inhibit growth of bacteria it must penetrate the outer surface or membrane and enter the bacterial cell which is very difficult. I hope some of this helps you to better understand what we are fighting against. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSChemtrail update
open your eyes Try carnival-con.com oops, I mean carnicom.com Nice pics of perfectly normal contrails being touted as the threat of the day and no distinction between obvious misinformation and possible reality so far. KDC At 02:01 PM 6/29/00 -0700, you wrote: Hi Pamela, carnicorn.com doesn't work for me. Any ideas why? Spelling correct? Trem At 03:25 PM 6/29/00 -0500, you wrote: Marsha, take a visit to carnicorn.com Dear Marshall, The day before yesterday I was watching Unsolved Mysteries on Lifetime Channel and one segment was about a town in Washington getting some gelatinous goo dumped on it, making folks sick. Talk about weird! I didn`t see the segment when it first aired, so I don`t know how old it was. I wonder if the town has had anything happen since then? One of the citizens on the segment reported a lot of aircraft activity, and even black choppers. I wonder... Marsha PS, I printed out your post to show my sister, the ultimate disbeliever. Won`t even use CS... -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBYU CS Test
Is a true colloid of silver ionic, thus meaning a dissolved form of silver? PG Hi Fred; All I know is what I put on the list. I have since asked Ron Leavitt several questions and hope to get a reply. He said that the ASAP is a true colloid !!! And that most of our stuff is not. I need an input from Stephen Quinto. Ole Bob -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS machines
Thank you Marshall. I wish I had known that when I first started drinking CS---though blue is my favorite color. Can you elaborate on the toxic effects of silver chlorite? PG Addition of salt can make silver chloride, a toxic compound that can photoexpose in your skin and turn you blue permanently. Always use pure distilled water. If you need a quicker start then warm it up, or add a little CS from the previous batch. Marshall Pamela Grant wrote: I noticed that the directions for the use of saline was not part of your directions. Is that a thing of the past, no longer recommended and if so, why? Simplest CS machine can be made for under $5. Go to radio shack and purchase a 9 volt battery clip, a nine volt battery, and a package of alligator clips. Acquire some .999 silver wire and a gallon of distilled water. Put the water in an 8 oz. glass. Take the silver wire and bend it so that it hangs over the sides with an inch or two in the water on opposite sides of the glass. Connect one end of 2 alligator clips to the wire, and the other end to the battery clip. Connect the battery and time the process. Marshall morganstu...@aol.com wrote: Mary, you should make your own. I was given instructions by one of the list members and made a cs machine in about 20 minutes for about $15.00. It was unbelievably simple. I have been making and using cs ever since. Diane M. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS machines
The best reason for not using salt in making CS is that the particles produced that way are known to be smaller and are presumed to be safer and more bioavailable. Thank you Mike. That is a good enough reason alone. Yes? PG -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSChemtrail update
I had pneumonia last year--presumably from mycoplasma fermantens. I began colloidal silver(can't remember exactly when--perhaps by May), but I did not notice it to help the lungs---it did help other problems00which I believe was due to exposure to chemtrails. I have read that ethylene dibromide has given lungs problems to those exposed to fall-out(as it was found to be in chemtrails during that period--don't know if any longer the case)---perhaps both substances were culprits. Has anyone done any experiments with CS and fungus---would love to hear of your results. Thank you. PG Remember, CS should be effective against fungus! Rense.com Special To Rense.com Some Comments Conclusions On Cassani Chemtrails By William Thomas wi...@islandnet.com 6-23-00 Erminia Cassani deserves thanks and congratulations for her long and sometimes personally perilous investigations into low-level air drops of pathogen-bearing gel and red powder over suburban neighborhoods in Ontario, and across the USA. Throughout her research I have kept our confidentiality agreement on certain aspects of her work until she was ready to publish her preliminary findings. It is time that we heard from this key researcher, and I am glad she has come forward now. After 19 months' investigation, I believe that the higher-level 'chemtrail' operation involving 700 US Air Force tanker planes and some civilian airliners is separate, though possibly related to, the splattering of lab-tested bacteria, molds and fungi over homes from aircraft flying at tree-top level. Even more disturbing are recently witnessed deliberate spray attacks on some vocal aerial observers' headquarters and homes. Seen in the context of earlier low-level attacks against William Wallace and his wife Anne in the remote mountains of Washington state (after Wallace went to the media insisting they cover chemtrails) - these attempts at intimidation are serious acts of military aggression that prove that something sensitive is indeed going on. But what? I concur with Cassani's conclusions that it makes zero sense for a government torandomly sicken its entire citizenry with air-delivered organisms. Nor are repeated attacks of self-replicating bio-agents necessary. If continued, such overt bio-attacks could destroy the US economy, while risking rebellion from an armed and angry populace. More to the point: no disease-causing organisms have ever been found in chemtrails. While lab techs were startled and concerned by the biological organisms and markers turning up in samples from low-level drops that left at least one homeowner stricken with a heart attack, the molds and fungi that turned up in the only tested sample of rainwater taken immediately after heavy high-level chemtrail spraying were deemed by an independent Ontario lab as entirely normal - 'with no one species predominating.' CONTEMPLATING A CULL What about an airborne 'cull' of the elderly and similar 'useless eaters' burdening cash-strapped governments with their burgeoning needs for subsistence and medical assistance? A little-publicized high-level summit last January saw president Clinton (invited) and former heads and top officials from Japan, Germany, the World Bank, security agencies and major financial firms discussing the 'Impacts of Aging on Business'. Corporate-controlled governments are extremely and increasingly concerned about aging populations, which are seen as growing threats to corporate bottom-lines. Couple this concern with decades of documented US and British funding and research into Nazi-copied 'eugenics' intended to selectively cull unproductive resource consumers...and the high percentage of fatalities among the elderly during two consecutive epidemics (1998-2000) of deaths from Influenza-Like-Illness and related pneumonia and cardiac arrest appear very sinister indeed. Yet, why go to the expense and risk of blatantly spraying pathogens from jets to get rid of older folks (he asks counting his own gray hairs)? A less obvious and much cheaper course is to quietly encourage euthanasia in hospitals across North America and Australia, where doctors and nurses now admit that up to 40% of elderly patients are being deliberately killed - without their consent, and in many cases without any terminal ailment involved. Another effective tactic is to scare people into lining up for experimental vaccines often contaminated by pathgenic material. The constant hyping of vaccines for the flu, migraines and meningitis symptoms often seen in the wake of chemtrails is suspiciously coincidental. It is clear that, at the very least, heightened death rates among the elderly caught under heavy aerial spraying are being viewed as 'acceptable collateral damage' to a program deemed essential to national-corporate interests. For this reason, any official whistle-blower who dares to come forward with verifiable documentation concerning chemtrails will face legal repercussions that will make Daniel Elsberg's
Re: CSChemtrail update
try carnicom.com Hi Pamela, carnicorn.com doesn't work for me. Any ideas why? Spelling correct? Trem At 03:25 PM 6/29/00 -0500, you wrote: Marsha, take a visit to carnicorn.com Dear Marshall, The day before yesterday I was watching Unsolved Mysteries on Lifetime Channel and one segment was about a town in Washington getting some gelatinous goo dumped on it, making folks sick. Talk about weird! I didn`t see the segment when it first aired, so I don`t know how old it was. I wonder if the town has had anything happen since then? One of the citizens on the segment reported a lot of aircraft activity, and even black choppers. I wonder... Marsha PS, I printed out your post to show my sister, the ultimate disbeliever. Won`t even use CS... -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSChemtrail update
I certainly hope as mycoplasma fermentens alone is said to be responsible for a slew of diseases(such as Lupus, Alzheimers, CFS/FMS/MCSHIV,AIDS,CFIDS,etc.). Remember, CS should be effective against fungus! Rense.com Special To Rense.com Some Comments Conclusions On Cassani Chemtrails By William Thomas wi...@islandnet.com 6-23-00 Erminia Cassani deserves thanks and congratulations for her long and sometimes personally perilous investigations into low-level air drops of pathogen-bearing gel and red powder over suburban neighborhoods in Ontario, and across the USA. Throughout her research I have kept our confidentiality agreement on certain aspects of her work until she was ready to publish her preliminary findings. It is time that we heard from this key researcher, and I am glad she has come forward now. After 19 months' investigation, I believe that the higher-level 'chemtrail' operation involving 700 US Air Force tanker planes and some civilian airliners is separate, though possibly related to, the splattering of lab-tested bacteria, molds and fungi over homes from aircraft flying at tree-top level. Even more disturbing are recently witnessed deliberate spray attacks on some vocal aerial observers' headquarters and homes. Seen in the context of earlier low-level attacks against William Wallace and his wife Anne in the remote mountains of Washington state (after Wallace went to the media insisting they cover chemtrails) - these attempts at intimidation are serious acts of military aggression that prove that something sensitive is indeed going on. But what? I concur with Cassani's conclusions that it makes zero sense for a government torandomly sicken its entire citizenry with air-delivered organisms. Nor are repeated attacks of self-replicating bio-agents necessary. If continued, such overt bio-attacks could destroy the US economy, while risking rebellion from an armed and angry populace. More to the point: no disease-causing organisms have ever been found in chemtrails. While lab techs were startled and concerned by the biological organisms and markers turning up in samples from low-level drops that left at least one homeowner stricken with a heart attack, the molds and fungi that turned up in the only tested sample of rainwater taken immediately after heavy high-level chemtrail spraying were deemed by an independent Ontario lab as entirely normal - 'with no one species predominating.' CONTEMPLATING A CULL What about an airborne 'cull' of the elderly and similar 'useless eaters' burdening cash-strapped governments with their burgeoning needs for subsistence and medical assistance? A little-publicized high-level summit last January saw president Clinton (invited) and former heads and top officials from Japan, Germany, the World Bank, security agencies and major financial firms discussing the 'Impacts of Aging on Business'. Corporate-controlled governments are extremely and increasingly concerned about aging populations, which are seen as growing threats to corporate bottom-lines. Couple this concern with decades of documented US and British funding and research into Nazi-copied 'eugenics' intended to selectively cull unproductive resource consumers...and the high percentage of fatalities among the elderly during two consecutive epidemics (1998-2000) of deaths from Influenza-Like-Illness and related pneumonia and cardiac arrest appear very sinister indeed. Yet, why go to the expense and risk of blatantly spraying pathogens from jets to get rid of older folks (he asks counting his own gray hairs)? A less obvious and much cheaper course is to quietly encourage euthanasia in hospitals across North America and Australia, where doctors and nurses now admit that up to 40% of elderly patients are being deliberately killed - without their consent, and in many cases without any terminal ailment involved. Another effective tactic is to scare people into lining up for experimental vaccines often contaminated by pathgenic material. The constant hyping of vaccines for the flu, migraines and meningitis symptoms often seen in the wake of chemtrails is suspiciously coincidental. It is clear that, at the very least, heightened death rates among the elderly caught under heavy aerial spraying are being viewed as 'acceptable collateral damage' to a program deemed essential to national-corporate interests. For this reason, any official whistle-blower who dares to come forward with verifiable documentation concerning chemtrails will face legal repercussions that will make Daniel Elsberg's long incarceration for exposing the fake Gulf of Tonkin 'attack' and other Washington lies concerning Vietnam feel like a stay in a summer spa. Unless we rally to support and protect this brave soul. FUNGUS AMONG US Let's look closer at the illness rampant among our families and communities. While the corporate-controlled media continue to bleat about the 'flu', the CDC has consistently reported blood tests showing that
Re: CSReply about Distilled water OT
Instead of going by these articles on why NOT to drink distilled water, why not try it out for yourselfactually, I wouldn't wish it on anyone. I drank distilled water for 2 1/2 months. I thought I'd like to die. Experience is the best teacher, but hopefully, instead of learning the hard way like I did, why not listen to some regular people and their experiences with distilled water if you can't trust the experts? It took a lot of colloidal minerals and electrolyte solution to try and get back to a previous state of health. My gray hair is finally turning back now to its original color, I can walk without feeling like my legs are about to give out from under me, my vision is now improving---but hey, I don't expect some of you to take my word for it either. PG snipWHY I NOW SAY NO TO DISTILLED WATER ONLY By Chet Day Paul Bragg. Norman Walker. Herbert Shelton. I bet you recognize the names of the above three big gun writers of the modern natural health and raw food movement ...(article below the next 4 paragraphs - a highly recommended read!!!) From Dave Perkins: To all on the CS list. I know most of you are probably favorably predisposed to distilled water...and as far as I know it is still the only water to consider in making CS. I certainly use it when I make my CS. However, it appears that much of the information on the benefits (or lack of problems with long term use) of distilled water was written many years ago and has been passed on as fact with little modification ever since. In light of more recent findings many of those claims appear to be in error. Not for the sake of argument, but for the sake of your present and future health, I urge you to read the following information by Chet Day and references by other MD's etc. Many of whom (especially Chet ) used to be big proponents of distilled water. I hope this gives you enough information and facts to make a well reasoned personal decision: WHY I NOW SAY NO TO DISTILLED WATER ONLY By Chet Day Paul Bragg. Norman Walker. Herbert Shelton. I bet you recognize the names of the above three big gun writers of the modern natural health and raw food movement. Each of these men advocated a predominantly uncooked vegetarian diet (though Walker allowed cheese and Bragg allowed occasional meat or fish), and each also advocated distilled water as the only kind of water to drink. It's amazing to me how blindly most health seekers follow the advice of the above three gurus as well as the advice of modern health writers who use Bragg, Walker, and Shelton as their main sources of truth. Indeed, if you spend more than about ten minutes reading many modern natural health writers, you'll quickly learn that all serious health seekers should shun any kind of water other than distilled water. Why? Because Paul Bragg, Norman Walker, and Herbert Shelton said so. Well, I bought into this commonly-accepted truth back in 1993 when I started my health journey, and I continued to buy into it for more than five years before I started to question its validity. I started to question the value of drinking distilled water for the long-term when I finally opened my eyes enough to realize I was relying on information that was, in most cases, more than 50 years old. Let me say here that I still consider distilled water the water of choice when detoxing or working to heal a serious health challenge. To quote Dr. Zoltan Rona, who feels the same way: Distillation is the process in which water is boiled, evaporated and the vapour condensed. Distilled water is free of dissolved minerals and, because of this, has the special property of being able to actively absorb toxic substances from the body and eliminate them. Studies validate the benefits of drinking distilled water when one is seeking to cleanse or detoxify the system for short periods of time (a few weeks at a time). Fasting using distilled water can be dangerous because of the rapid loss of electrolytes (sodium, potassium, chloride) and trace minerals like magnesium, deficiencies of which can cause heart beat irregularities and high blood pressure. Cooking foods in distilled water pulls the minerals out of them and lowers their nutrient value. See http://chetday.com/distilledwater.htm for the full text of Dr. Rona's article. I opened my eyes because about two years ago I started hearing from long-term distilled water drinkers who had been consuming only distilled water and who had developed troubles with their hair either thinning or falling out in clumps. I've subsequently learned that hair loss is a condition often associated with various mineral deficiencies. Since I'd been advised by a serious natural health student whose opinions I value very much that distilled water might well contribute to such problems, I started telling people with hair problems that they might try going back to filtered water or bottled water to see if doing so wouldn't help resolve the symptoms. Interestingly enough, many
Re: CS machines
I noticed that the directions for the use of saline was not part of your directions. Is that a thing of the past, no longer recommended and if so, why? Simplest CS machine can be made for under $5. Go to radio shack and purchase a 9 volt battery clip, a nine volt battery, and a package of alligator clips. Acquire some .999 silver wire and a gallon of distilled water. Put the water in an 8 oz. glass. Take the silver wire and bend it so that it hangs over the sides with an inch or two in the water on opposite sides of the glass. Connect one end of 2 alligator clips to the wire, and the other end to the battery clip. Connect the battery and time the process. Marshall morganstu...@aol.com wrote: Mary, you should make your own. I was given instructions by one of the list members and made a cs machine in about 20 minutes for about $15.00. It was unbelievably simple. I have been making and using cs ever since. Diane M. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CS and chemical viruses bacteria
Is there anyone on this list who is familiar with the chemical form of a virus(ex:chemical anthrax) and how the use of CS fairs with such? PG -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSVIRUS DEVELOPED that can 'CASTRATE' ENTIRE SPECIES
VIRUS DEVELOPED that can 'CASTRATE' ENTIRE SPECIES NOTE: this can be targeted to, and I quote: The antigen-recognition process is so precise that it has the potential to discriminate between closely related species. For example, RACE based targeting for chemical 'castration' ? The result is the same. http://www.dwe.csiro.au/crcs/vbc/detail.htm Ok folks, this one is a complete friggin nightmare waiting to happen. We are talking the possible elimination of ALL MAMMALS, which of course humans are. Do your best to contact these utter fools before they get much further. Contact one such dimwit at: neil.wh...@dwe.csiro.au Say, Are you and your colleagues FRIGGIN NUTS !? And be prepared as he will likely argue that this stuff is all over your head and that measures have been taken that this designer virus will never mutate into something a little different, or some other such NON-SENSE, as if we can control what ANY life form becomes in the future, anymore than we can determine what our OWN great-grandchildren will be doing. Give me a break, the arrogance and irresponsibility of these scientists and doctors, so called 'experts', give them NO respect, yank them from their self-created pedestals, They are idiots !, lack common sense, and should NOT be given such free reign with our fate. Click on an object to see an explanation of how viral-vectored immunocontraception will work in the rabbit. For more information, including the work on other species, see the Research Strategy. http://www.dwe.csiro.au/crcs/vbc/vvic.htm The Vertebrate Biocontrol CRC is working to control Australia's major pest problems using the modern tools of biotechnology. The aim is to develop contraceptive vaccines specifically designed for vertebrate pests, which will 'trick' the immune system to attack the pests' eggs and sperm as though they were foreign cells, resulting in infertility. Delivery of the vaccine will be through baits, or preferably through the agency of a virus which spreads naturally through the target pest population. The vaccines are created by genetically modifying the carrier virus to include sperm, egg (gametes) or other key reproductive proteins (antigens). The product is a modified virus, which during infection of the pest, causes an immune response which attacks the animal's own gametes preventing fertilisation. The use of a virally-vectored vaccine for fertility control should allow humane management of animal populations with minimal cost and human intervention. DECEIVING THE IMMUNE SYSTEM The immune system protects the body against microbial infection and potentially toxic foreign substances. Specialised white blood cells called lymphocytes constantly patrol the body, identifying and destroying viruses, bacteria or foreign compounds that could pose a threat to the body. Among the front-line defenders are antibody-secreting B-lymphocytes. During embryonic development, B-lymphocytes learn to ignore self antigens - proteins and other components of the body's own tissues so by default, immune systems will attack any foreign (non-self) antigens the animal may encounter in its lifetime. Vertebrate Biocontrol CRC scientists will attempt to deliver antigens derived from the egg's zona pellucida and sperm into feral mammals, in such a way that the immune system will recognise them as foreign and attack them with antibodies - a cellular equivalent of friendly fire. This would disrupt the crucial biochemical dialogue between sperm and egg, rendering the animal sterile. The CRC's molecular biologists have already identified a number of candidate sperm and egg antigens in the rabbit and fox, and cloned the genes that encode them (see Rabbit and Fox breakouts). In theory, immunocontraception should be highly selective. It should be possible to develop a cat or rabbit immunocontraceptive vaccine that would not affect any other species, be it a marsupial, a native rodent, a livestock species or a human being. The antigen-recognition process is so precise that it has the potential to discriminate between closely related species. Although foxes, wolves and dogs are cousins in the canid family, a vaccine based on fox-specific antigens should have no effect on Australia's native dog, the dingo, or on domestic dogs. But realising this potential is a major challenge facing the CRC. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSBeck Device
Can you explain what the Beck Device is and what it does? PG Dear fearless leader; CS has worked on Poison ivy, ticks and chiggers and spider bites and others for years for our whole family. I use brown plastic spray bottles from Wall Mart for everything . About a year ago I began spraying it on my once bald head and the hair is growing back. If you spray it on warts they will also go away . I had a man with a terrible foot infection that the hospital was just making worse after several months. I made a quart of Colloidal Silver and it immediately began to heal . It took only two weeks for it to be gone and mostly healed and out of danger. My wife begins the spring season by eating a couple of small ivy leaves several times and has no more trouble with it . She tears them up and puts them in a piece of bread. I have some of these machines in Africa and from the preliminary reports CS will cure Malaria . Blackberry season is about upon us here every year we make juice and put a lot away for later use . We use large plastic soda pop bottles and put in a table spoon of CS It will never ferment and lasts fine . Be sure to use enough and mix it good. I have a new microscope same as in the university science lab ,from China. Does any one know where a video attachment may be had and an idea of the price. I would like to show every one the results of blood treatment using Cs and the Zappers and the Beck machine. With this you can watch as very contaminated blood with almost no white cells and all red cells stacked up to where none are effective. It takes about 4 to 5 weeks and the blood is like a new born babies. We had a black man from Africa that had blood that looked like sewer water. If there was a disease he had it , 5 weeks they were all gone. I want to put all. of the various bacteria and parasites where everyone can see for themselves as the change takes place. Believe me it does, big time. This is the greatest medical advance ever in my mind . Drugs are poison and petroleum based chemicals have no place in our bodies. With Gods Love to all Bob -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSbaby shots and cs
What a great account to read! It was about 8 or 9 years ago, my wife and I were doing childcare. One Saturday night, one of the parents of the children we watch called us to let us know that her 10 month old baby girl wasn't going to be in the following Monday. She explained that she had just gotten back from the hospital and that her daughter had pneumonia. The doctors had wanted to keep her baby there, but the mom really hated hospitals so she took her daughter home and promised to go back the next day to have her daughter checked out again. They hospital had said that if her daughter wasn't any better by Sunday afternoon, then they would have to keep her there. Anyways, we talked her mom into coming over so we could dose her daughter up with CS. Being new to CS we made up an 8oz batch of about 5ppm using saline as a catalyst (GASP), and had the baby drink the whole 8oz. in her plastic (SHUDDER) bottle. We then made up another 8oz. bottle for the mom to take home and feed her daughter with the next morning (Sunday), which she did. Sunday afternoon came and she took her daughter back into the hospital as she had promised. The mother gave me a call after the doc's had checked out her daughter and told me that they had been dumbfounded because of the remarkable recovery that her daughter had made. They couldn't believe it! That's just one instance out of a great many, but one I can tell because of my first hand knowledge. Knowing now what I didn't know then, the only change I would have made is that I wouldn't have used saline, I would have made it pure. Keep the faith. Yours in health, James Allison - Allisons Apothecary - Your On-Line Apothecary Visit Us Soon - http://allisonsapothecary.com Home of the $39.95 Colloidal Silver Generator And Wonderful Prices On Quality Products Like MSM, Ionic Mineral Waters and Apricot Kernels - -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSSAY GOODBYE TO MEDICAL PRIVACY(and what next?)
just had to forward this---okay, now I'm like a kid who catches on to the game---how might I link this to CS to justify my sending it---well, as we lose our rights and freedoms and gain these wonderful medical ID numbers(how will they be worn?) do you think there will be mandatory testing also?---oh goodness, so and so goes to jail as they found the forbidden CS in his system. SAY GOODBYE TO MEDICAL PRIVACY Aside from psychological reasons, why can't the Clintons be straight-forward about things? It's easy to understand why Bill wouldn't want to be candid about his affairs, but what about his policy proposals? If the Clintons' ideas were superior, they would have no motive to be deceitful about them, right? Think again. The truth is that they know that despite liberalism's virtual monopoly in the mainstream press, the universities, and most of our other cultural institutions, it is still not the majority philosophy among most voters. So they have to disguise many of their programs or, in some cases, secrete them from the public altogether. Remember Hillary's notorious plan to socialize American medicine? While pretending that it was going to be produced by the people from the bottom up, she kept her task force meetings secret to the point of earning a rebuke by U.S. District Judge Royce Lamberth. But why? What did she have to hide? Well, plenty, as it turns out. Hillary's 1,300-page plan would have nationalized 14 percent of the nation's economy, a fact she could ill-afford to have disclosed. And now, she and Bill both claim to have learned their lesson from that fiasco. But are they honest about that lesson? What they want you to believe is that they are willing to compromise and abandon their goal of nationalized health care. Actually, the only lesson they learned is that to accomplish their goal of socialized medicine they must do it incrementally, one inconspicuous step at a time. Although Hillary Care suffered a humiliating defeat in 1994, some of its insidious components survived and became law in 1996 with the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), a.k.a., Kennedy-Kassebaum. Hillary's plan contained a provision regarding a unique health identifier (a patient ID number) that could be used to track each person's medical history electronically from cradle to grave. This WorldNetDaily gem was resurrected and codified into law in HIPAA in 1996. So far, our Brave New World medical ID numbers have not been created, but soon will be if something isn't done. contributor David Limbaugh is an attorney practicing in Cape Girardeau, Missouri, a political analyst and commentator. Though the provision for the creation of the medical ID numbers is already in the law, Texas Congressman Ron Paul has been successful so far in leading an effort to block appropriations for implementation of this provision. This week, this appropriations bill (HR 4577) will be voted on again, and if it passes, the unique health identifier -- the medical ID number -- will be created for all of us. It gets worse. This year, the Department of Health and Human Services proposed medical privacy regulations that will apply to all individuals, whether their health care is paid for privately or by the government. Those who love freedom and cherish privacy should be alarmed about these developments. Here's why: While Clinton touts the medical ID number and the proposed medical privacy regulations as enhancing our medical privacy, they do just the opposite. The assignment of these numbers is the first step toward universal health care, and the regulations severely undermine our privacy. The government will be entitled to access our private medical records without our consent and the government -- not you -- will decide who else will have access to our records. Under the regulation's health plans, providers, hospitals, researchers, medical students, government agents, law enforcement officials, and whomever else the government decides will have access. Are you nervous yet? If not, be aware that the regulations will also limit patients' access to their own records, especially in malpractice cases. And they will limit our right to sue others for breaching our medical confidentiality. If Ron Paul fails to convince Congress again to block funding for creating the ID numbers, all is not lost. He also has prepared a bill to repeal the HIPAA provision that requires the adoption of our ID numbers. This is a good start but another provision also empowers the government to adopt those privacy regulations that authorize the collection and sharing of our medical records without our consent. Congress should repeal that provision as well. Once again, the Clintons, under the guise of expanding our rights, are taking them away. If we don't derail this train now, our chances of thwarting Hillary's grandiose scheme to socialize health care may be out the window. [WND Exclusive Commentary] FRIDAY JUNE 9, 2000 by David
Re: CSOTMarsha-lymelists,cyst form of lyme
I have had two MRI's. So should not I be cured of LYME? no, but you may need to get cured of MRI's -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSAvoid Gall Bladder Surgery
Forwarded from another list.(this recipe seems important enough, wouldn't you say?) Pam http://www.cat007.com/stones.htm Improve your health dramatically..easy and free. Lowers cholesterol and allows your body to function efficiently. Avoid needless and dangerous gall bladder surgery. At least 80% of people older then 30 have intrahepatic stones, that we call gallstones as there is no big difference between stones inside the liver and stones inside the gall bladder. Gallstones are always first created inside the liver! Gallstones inside the gallbladder(GB) have always first started inside the liver (intrahepatic bile ducts = tubes inside your liver)!!! Then , they roll down to the GB, where they may continue growing, until they take all the space inside your GB. People may have gallstones as big as 5 cm across. (2 inch) If you have stones inside your GB, you already have hundreds of stones inside your liver ! (Not all of them are big !) I call stone everything bigger then 2 mm across, everything in solid state, everything that can not be called bile, but is still made of it. Questions: How many cleanses do you need ? Very few adults have no stones! Healthy skin is a sign of healthy liver and healthy intestines. After age 50-60 almost all the people have stones ! Some adults with very good and healthy liver menage to clean out all liver in only 3-5 cleanses. Skin of those people is extremely beautiful, soft and healthy, before, and especially after cleanse. After cleanse, their skin is as beautiful as skin of the people from the first group. Other people get stones out every time they do cleanse, regardless of cleanse frequency. The liver of these people is able to generate hundreds of new stones (something like process of crystallization inside intrahepatic bile ducts, bile starts crystallizing and stones starts growing.) in just a few days or few weeks. Skin of those people is not as healthy as skin of those from the previous group. You will know it is working. You will see the stones in your stools. New stones are usually of tann-green color, almost transparent, pure cholesterol, bile salts and toxins (heavy metals, mercury from food and amalgam, cadmium, led, and others ). Old stones can have more different colors, more pigment, more different salts and if cut across one will see layers, which can not be easily seen in stones created in very short time. If cleanses are done 2/3 times each week then: First 1-3 cleanses are cleaning out almost only old stones. Next 3-10 cleanses can clean out combination of old and newly created stones. Next 10 - X .. cleanses will clean out only newly created stones. If your liver keep producing stones constantly, you can do 1 cleanse every two months. People who do cleanse regularly, will dramatically reduce their chances for getting Cancer, Arthritis, Diabetes, AIDS and many other diseases. Cleanse will keep toxins and parasites away, and will keep you in good mood! For people who already suffer from Cancer, Arthritis, Diabetes, AIDS, the liver cleanse is a vital step in regaining health. It is always much easier to prevent diseases, than to regain health, once you are sick. Don't blame your liver for making gallstones constantly. Be happy that your liver is still able to pack all the bad toxins inside small marbles, so that they are not reabsorbed with your intestines! Liver /GB cleanse is single MOST powerful way to improve your health in JUST 24 hrs. It is the job of the liver to make bile, 1 to 1.5 quarts in a day! The liver is full of tubes (biliary tubing) that deliver the bile to one large tube (the common bile duct). The gallbladder is attached to the common bile duct and acts as a storage reservoir. Eating fats triggers the gallbladder to squeeze itself empty after about twenty minutes, and the stored bile finishes its trip down the common bile duct to the intestine. Liver usually manage to take most of the toxins (that it can recognize) out of our body. Bile is used to remove heavy metals out from our body (cadmium, copper, lead, mercury, radioactive elements, ...) But, the way our liver is doing it may cause those toxins to come back inside of our body. Our liver is producing bile from cholesterol by converting it into bile acids. Bile contain also a lot of toxins that have to be removed from our body. But, the problem is that bile is going directly into our intestines, and by doing this we have chance of absorbing those toxins again in our blood stream. It is natural fibers and lignans in our food that are suppose to bind with bile, and help taking bile out of our intestines. What happens if we don't eat enough fibers ? We may reabsorb some of the bile back into the blood and lymph stream. In order to prevent reabsorbing those toxins, our intestines produce even more mucus on it's walls, preventing in
Re: CSAvoid Gall Bladder Surgery
You are most welcome. I have 2 friends who could have also avoided this surgery had they know. Pam This is excellent information, Pam. Thanks so much. I have a friend who has already lost her GB to surgery and she suffers from some of the things mentioned here. It's too bad it's too late for her to know this. Diane Pamela Grant wrote: Forwarded from another list.(this recipe seems important enough, wouldn't you say?) Pam http://www.cat007.com/stones.htm Improve your health dramatically..easy and free. Lowers cholesterol and allows your body to function efficiently. Avoid needless and dangerous gall bladder surgery. At least 80% of people older then 30 have intrahepatic stones, that we call gallstones as there is no big difference between stones inside the liver and stones inside the gall bladder. Gallstones are always first created inside the liver! Gallstones inside the gallbladder(GB) have always first started inside the liver (intrahepatic bile ducts = tubes inside your liver)!!! Then , they roll down to the GB, where they may continue growing, until they take all the space inside your GB. People may have gallstones as big as 5 cm across. (2 inch) If you have stones inside your GB, you already have hundreds of stones inside your liver ! (Not all of them are big !) I call stone everything bigger then 2 mm across, everything in solid state, everything that can not be called bile, but is still made of it. Questions: How many cleanses do you need ? Very few adults have no stones! Healthy skin is a sign of healthy liver and healthy intestines. After age 50-60 almost all the people have stones ! Some adults with very good and healthy liver menage to clean out all liver in only 3-5 cleanses. Skin of those people is extremely beautiful, soft and healthy, before, and especially after cleanse. After cleanse, their skin is as beautiful as skin of the people from the first group. Other people get stones out every time they do cleanse, regardless of cleanse frequency. The liver of these people is able to generate hundreds of new stones (something like process of crystallization inside intrahepatic bile ducts, bile starts crystallizing and stones starts growing.) in just a few days or few weeks. Skin of those people is not as healthy as skin of those from the previous group. You will know it is working. You will see the stones in your stools. New stones are usually of tann-green color, almost transparent, pure cholesterol, bile salts and toxins (heavy metals, mercury from food and amalgam, cadmium, led, and others ). Old stones can have more different colors, more pigment, more different salts and if cut across one will see layers, which can not be easily seen in stones created in very short time. If cleanses are done 2/3 times each week then: First 1-3 cleanses are cleaning out almost only old stones. Next 3-10 cleanses can clean out combination of old and newly created stones. Next 10 - X .. cleanses will clean out only newly created stones. If your liver keep producing stones constantly, you can do 1 cleanse every two months. People who do cleanse regularly, will dramatically reduce their chances for getting Cancer, Arthritis, Diabetes, AIDS and many other diseases. Cleanse will keep toxins and parasites away, and will keep you in good mood! For people who already suffer from Cancer, Arthritis, Diabetes, AIDS, the liver cleanse is a vital step in regaining health. It is always much easier to prevent diseases, than to regain health, once you are sick. Don't blame your liver for making gallstones constantly. Be happy that your liver is still able to pack all the bad toxins inside small marbles, so that they are not reabsorbed with your intestines! Liver /GB cleanse is single MOST powerful way to improve your health in JUST 24 hrs. It is the job of the liver to make bile, 1 to 1.5 quarts in a day! The liver is full of tubes (biliary tubing) that deliver the bile to one large tube (the common bile duct). The gallbladder is attached to the common bile duct and acts as a storage reservoir. Eating fats triggers the gallbladder to squeeze itself empty after about twenty minutes, and the stored bile finishes its trip down the common bile duct to the intestine. Liver usually manage to take most of the toxins (that it can recognize) out of our body. Bile is used to remove heavy metals out from our body (cadmium, copper, lead, mercury, radioactive elements, ...) But, the way our liver is doing it may cause those toxins to come back inside of our body. Our liver is producing bile from cholesterol by converting it into bile acids. Bile contain also a lot of toxins that have to be removed from our body. But, the problem is that bile is going directly into our intestines, and by doing this we have
CSSpeaking of Soft Drinks
Guess what's the pH for soft drink, e.g. Coke? pH 3.4! This acidity is strong enough to Dissolve Teeth and Bones! Our human body stops building bones at the age of about 30. After that, it'll be dissolving about 8 - 18% of the bones each year from the urine, depending on the acidity of food intake (acidity does not depend on the taste of the food, but the ratio of potassium / calcium / magnesium etc. to (phosphorus). All the dissolved calcium combination will be accumulated and composted in the arteries, veins, skin. organs e.g. Affecting the kidney functioning (Kidney stone). Soft drinks do not have any nutrition value (in terms of vitamins minerals). It has high sugar content, carbonic acid, chemical e.g. Coloring etc. Some like to take cold soft drinks after each meal, guess what's the impact? Our body needs an optimum temperature of 37 deg. Celsius for Digesting enzymes functioning. The temperature of cold soft drinks is very much below 37 deg or even close to 0 deg Celsius. This will dilute the enzymes stress the digestive sustem, the foodtaken will not be digested. In fact it will be fermented! (Now you understand why chinese drink hot tea after their meals!) The fermented food produces gases, decays and becomes toxic, gets absorbed by the intestine, circulates in the blood stream and is carried to the whole body. Hence toxin is accumulated in others parts of the body, developing into various diseases. Think before you drink Coke / Pepsi (or any soft drinks) again. Have you ever thought what you drink on aerated drinks? You gulpdown Carbon-Di-Oxide, nobody in the world would advise you to drink CO2. Two months back, there was a competition in the Delhi University Who could drink more cokes? The winner drank 8 bottles and died on the spot - too much CO2 in the blood. Thereafter, the principal from the canteen banned all soft drinks! Someone put a broken tooth in a bottle of Pepsi and in 10 days - it DISSOLVED! Can you believe it? Teeth and bones are the only human organ that stays intact for years after death. Imagine what the drink must be doing to your soft intestines and stomach lining. Request to All: Forward this message to your friends to increase the awareness of the GREAT USA made softdrinks. In India, people hesitate to pay more than Rs.5/- for a tender coconut but prefers to pay Rs.8/ and drinks these dreaded items. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSJust Say NO To Canola-or Got Lear?
I'm not positive of this one, but could become my next pet peeve. Any opinions out there on this one? CANOLA OIL - Deadly for the Human Body! -= --- Ride the Wave of Health!=20 Beware of Canola Oil, Canola Oil is an Industrial Oil, Not Fit For Human = Consumption. =20 S U M M A R Y Before you read the following article, here is a summary = of a few facts regarding Canola Oil: a.. It is genetically engineered rapeseed.=20 b.. Canada paid the FDA the sum of $50 million to have rape = registered and recognized as safe. (Source: Young Again and others)=20 c.. Rapeseed is a lubricating oil used by small industry. It = has never been meant for human consumption.=20 d.. It is derived from the mustard family and is considered = a toxic and poisonous weed, which when processed, becomes rancid very = quickly.=20 e.. It has been shown to cause lung cancer (Wall Street = Journal: 6/7/95)=20 f.. It is very inexpensive to grow and harvest. Insects = won't eat it.=20 g.. Some typical and possible side effects include loss of = vision, disruption of the central nervous system, respiratory illness, = anemia, constipation, increased incidence of heart disease and cancer, = low birth weights in infants and irritability.=20 h.. Generally rapeseed has a cumulative effect, taking = almost 10 years before symptoms begin to manifest. It has a tendency to = inhibit proper metabolism of foods and prohibits normal enzyme function. = Canola is a Trans Fatty Acid, which has shown to have a direct link to = cancer. These Trans Fatty acids are labeled as hydrogenated or partially = hydrogenated oils. Avoid all of them!=20 i.. According to John Thomas' book, Young Again, 12 years = ago in England and Europe, rape seed was fed to cows, pigs and sheep who = later went blind and began attacking people. There were no further = attacks after the rape seed was eliminated from the diet.=20 Source: David Dancu, N.D.=20 =20 By Jim Lynn, Essential Oils It's amazing to me...The more research I do, the more I see a = relationship between the food we eat and fatal diseases. Canola oil is = no exception. Readers of EOO are familiar with the meat industry = practice of feeding rendered meat by-products to cattle and poultry = (EOO #015), and the suspected relationship of Mad Cow Disease to CJD and = Alzheimer's Disease (EOO #016). Now comes information that Canola Oil is = the suspected causative agent for Scrapie, a viral disease transmitted = to cattle who were fed rendered sheep infected with Scrapie. Both = Scrapie and Mad Cow Disease destroy the brain's ability to function. = They literally eat the brain away, causing blindness, loss of mind and = erratic behavior.=20 Canola oil's real name is LEAR oil (Low Erucic Acid Rape). it is = more commonly known as rape oil, a semi-drying oil that is used as a = lubricant, fuel, soap and synthetic rubber base, and as an illuminant to = give color pages in magazines their slick look. In short it is an = industrial oil that does not belong in the human body. It is typically = referred to in light industry as a penetrating oil.=20 Back in the 1980's, rape oil was widely used in animal feeds in = England and throughout Europe. It was banned in 1991. Since then, = Scrapie in sheep has totally disappeared.=20 While that's good for Europeans, it is bad for Americans because = the problem is now ours. Rape seed oil (Canola oil) is widely used in = thousands of processed foods...with the blessings of our own government. = Canola oil was first developed in Canada. It's proponents claim = that due to genetic engineering and irradiation, it is no longer rape = oil, but canola (Canadian oil). They also claim it is completely safe, = pointing to it's unsaturated structure and digestibility. Although, I = could not verify it, it is claimed the Canadian government paid the FDA = the sum of $50 million dollars to have canola oil placed on the GRAS = list (Generally Recognized As Safe). However it was done, a new industry = was created.=20 The truth is however, that rape is the most toxic of all food oil = plants. Not even insects will eat it. No wonder farmers like growing it. = It turns out that rape is a member of the mustard family of plants, and = is the source for the chemical agent, mustard gas, which causes = blistering on skin and lungs when inhaled. Mustard Gas was banned after = WWI for this very reason.=20 Studies of canola oil done on rats indicate many problems. Rats = developed fatty degeneration of heart, kidney, adrenals and thyroid = gland. When the canola oil was withdrawn from their diet, the deposits = dissolved, but scar tissue remained on the organs. Why were no studies = done on
CSUltra Photon Sound Beam VIII
Is anyone familiar witht his device? It is suppose to be the latest development in the field of Vibrational Medicine. It advances the concepts of Tesla, Rife, Abrams, Lakhovsky and, most recently, Ed Skilling(who's that?) by combining an advanced lymph technology with full spectrum Frequency Technology...and so on. My point is that if you can find someone who has one of these, a treatment would do well for your lymph(so I am told). I have only tried one treatment thus far. In Search of TRUTH Always, Pam -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSJust Say NO To Canola-or Got Lear?
Too late, it's already being done Maybe I'll become an evil genius and destroy the world and THEN I'll feel better! -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSattn:Nicole...Lyme and Ledum
Does anyone know of a homeopathy list? I would be quite interested in such-- Pam -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSmagnetic pulser nose stinging?
Have you ever heard of lymphasizing?--a type of do-it-yourself massage Pam Hello everyone! Well, I was just wondering what exactly the magnetic pulser is good for?? I think it will benifit me but am not sure and $250.. that is a lot of money..does anyone know if there is a cheaper model? I am just trying to find out if it is worth the money or not. Would some kind of magnets do the same thing?? Anyone seen any benifits using just that specifically? I used the silver pulser for a while and it didn't help me much..but the lymph glands seem to be a good idea to cleanse right now in my case :0) What about your liver? I did a detoxification profile and my liver has more toxins than it can deal with. Also, I have had this symtom for a LONG time and wonder if ANYONE can give me any insite? I do have Lyme and cfs. Now ever since I got ill after I had mono I get this stinging in my nose like there is liquid in there or something. It lasts a few seconds and in the begining hurt a lot! has anyone here ever experienced this?? Any thoughts on what can cause it? I am on the eat right for your blood type diet and avoid foods that I know I have sensitivities too from an allergy test. Thanks! Nicole :O) PS, I am not able to take CS because I have dysbiosis and it didn't really give me the results I had hoped and may have made that worse. :0( Does anyone have any info on lyme therapies besides olive leaf that I can do to help? I am aware of the beck protocal, but is there any other herbs or treatments?? my body is FAR to weak for any drugs right now and I doubt after the trouble one antibiotic caused me that I would take them again! Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with http://im.yahoo.com/Yahoo! Messenger. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSThe biggest homeopathy list
Thank you. I just have one more request. If you are on that list, any chance you could send me an invite as I am unable to go to the web at present. PG The biggest homeopathy list (over 2000 members) is the homeopathy lyghtforce list. You can get on the list by going to www.homeopathyhome.com They give instructions on how to join the list. M. Louis - Original Message - From: Pamela Grant pjgr...@northnet.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 8:36 PM Subject: Re: CSattn:Nicole...Lyme and Ledum Does anyone know of a homeopathy list? I would be quite interested in such-- Pam -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSHealth Bill
Barrett/Renner Anti-Health Campaign fizzles in Minnesota. Minnesota recently passed, and signed into law, one of the most comprehensive health reform bills in the history of the United States. The bill passes both houses of the State legislature with a huge majority, and was signed by the Governor despite a massive lobbying effort by what health leaders call the minions of the drug barons. Apparently, the people of the State of Minnesota woke up one morning and decided that they wanted real health care in their State. So they put a group together, wrote a definitive health bill, hand-carried it through the legislature, and up to the Governors desk, and said Hey Jesse, sign here... Jesse did. They wanted their health bill to protect their right to freedom of choice, and to keep their practitioners free from harassment - while establishing guidelines. GOOD idea. They did it. Its done. The Governor signed the bill Thursday, May 11th, 2000. And now, Minnesota leads the nation with the best, most comprehensive health bill in the country. It is a law to copy, everywhere. And, despite opposition from the drug lord minions, they did it easily. Id say Congratulations to them, if theyd accept it - and maybe they will. But I have the feeling that Minnesota would shrug, and say something like we just did what we needed to do - whats the big deal? The fact is, it is a big deal - because Minnesota did it first, and they did it best. So, whether you want to hear it, or not, Minnesota, Congratulations. Oh, and by the way, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THE QUACKPOT MENACE (Barrett, Renner, et al) was there, of course, trying to stop The Peoples efforts. But their performance was, well, in kind words, laughable. Apparently Barrett and Renner, in the beginning, were confident that their local team in Minnesota could deal with the problem. After all, they must have said, we have our very own legislator (Doc Mulder) on tap. And, they must have said, we have our very own quack museum - the Museum of Questionable Medical Devices - right there in Minneapolis. That should do it... But, it didnt... Despite the best efforts of Barretts Minnesota henchmen, who, to the apparent amusement of elected officials, screeched up and down the halls of the legislature screaming this is a witchcraft bill, the bill passed the House with a vote of 111 to 23. Stunned, Id guess, Barretts local lead man muttered all the way back to his museum. For the quackpots then, it was time to bring in the Big Guns and show these Minnesotans Whos Who. So, on the scene pops Stephan Barrett (dont call him doctor) himself - interviewed (yawn) on Minnesota Public Radio. And then, entering from stage left is the man, himself, the President of the National Council For Reliable Health Information - John Renner - who, apparently, tells Minnesota legislators that A multi-million dollar New York law firm is responsible for the Minnesota Health Freedom bill. I heard the legislators' laughter could be heard in South Dakota... Did the mighty Renner and Barrett, the scions of so-called anti-quackery, have an effect on the bills future? Oh yeah! The Senate passed the health bill 80 to 1. Then, of course, the Governor signed it. WHATS NEXT? Well, I suggest, in every State, its time to go to the next logical step... For instance, isnt it time for a Physicians Re-Training Act - a bill designed to force MD s to upgrade their skills - or lose their licenses? MDs just dont keep up with the needs of the public - they seem to want to just peddle dangerous drugs, or push costly, and unnecessary, surgeries. And then, a Physicians Review Act, where a citizens committee can review an MDs practice to determine whether he/she is using expensive, and personally profitable, drug treatments where he/she should be using natural cures, or dealing with the cause of an illness. This bill could provide for license removal and the seizure of assets of convicted offenders - the assets could be put into a fund for MD victims. Then, a Medical Board Revision Act, designed to remove all MDs from state medical boards, and replace them with citizens (like they are doing in Ontario, Canada - right now). Give them a mandate to clean up the MDs act - with police, assett seizure, and arrest, powers. MDs, as a group, have shown an inability to regulate themselves - and are abusing their regulatory power to stifle, and destroy, competition for health dollars. Then a Hospital Reform Act... And then, and then,,, Here's the story from the Minnesota Health Reform team, in their own words... - Minnesota Natural Health Legal Reform Project 3236 17th Ave. S, #1 Minneapolis, MN 55407 (612) 721-3305 Health NewsJune 6, 2000 Minnesota Governor Jesse Ventura signs Health Care Freedom of Access Bill. The Complementary and Alternative
Re: CSFwd: CMO-bloodsugar-lowOT
In an earlier e-mail I mentioned the list called stop the poisons that I wished to join---well, now I have the info for you if any of you are interested: Send an email to stopthepoisons-subscr...@egroups.com and I will approve your joining. Same for the people who are interested in the information also. Pam -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSKawasaki/ Dotsie
Here is a thought that might be MUCH more pleasing to taste--however, I do not know if you would get the same results, that is , in the amount of fatty acids: Why not buy flax seeds and grind them in an herb grinder, then just sprinkle on your cottage cheese? I have done this in the past and as for taste, the groundseeds are much more tastey. Pam -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSKawasaki/ Dotsie
Dave, I am glad to know as I am growing cilantro for the first time---will try! Thanks. (I had learned of those rememdies--nutrients and homeopath--from a doctor friend of mine who practiced alternative medicine. Also, I don't know if you read an earlier post of mine on the Liquid Needles product and the success in detoxing mercury along with other metals.) Pam Pam I haven't heard of that one however I do take Cilantro Extract and add fresh Cilantro to my green juice. It is an excellent mercury chelator. Dave Perkins - Original Message - From: Pamela Grant pjgr...@northnet.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2000 4:19 PM Subject: Re: CSKawasaki/ Dotsie Egg yokes have sulphur - every morning, to help chelate out the mercury in my system, I have two eggs poached in coconut oil and 4 to 5 cloves of minced garlic (more sulphur) as well as drink Kefir with 4 Tbs. of Flax Oil. Spirulina, lipoic acid and N-Acety L-Cysteine are also great for a detox. Have you tried the homeopathic Mercurious Solubis(30C)? PG -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
