Re: CS>asthma

[Brickeyk]

In a message dated 8/1/2011 12:23:31 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
msad...@msadams.com writes:

I would  still encourage you to pursue things that 
> could potentially remove a  root cause of the asthma, as 
> opposed to manage.  Nebulized  colloidal silver, liposomal 
I feel my asthma is caused by GERD acid reflux into my lungs, and tree  
pollen. Buteyko did not work for me. In fact shallow breathing seemed to worsen 
 Gerd. Deep breathing helps to push the stomach down.
 
My DR found a crusty growth on the top of my ear. I tried to put Black  
Salve on it but the tape covering it only held on one side of my ear. I left it 
 like that as my wifes family reunion was the next day. My wife saw the 
tape  flapping and pulled it off. There was a hole like someone shot a BB at 
it.  Whatever was there looks like it was gone. I used the salve bought from  
Quailwood.com who is on this list. I work outside so get a lot of sun on my 
tree  farm.
Brickey

RE: CS>asthma

[Scott Adams]

Another regimen that helped me get over asthma is the simple water cure as
outlined in the book at the website by the same name...

 http://watercure.com/

> -Original Message-
> From: Kathy Tankersley [mailto:babychicks...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 7:05 AM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>asthma
> 
> Thanks for the info, and all the answers, I tried to nebulize 
> silver, it seemed to make it harder for me to breathe, 
> however, a swig a day kept me out of the hospital this past 
> winter, I had asthma, but no lung infection which is unusual. 
>  I will check into the other suggestions, I'm taking gobs of 
> vitamins (have for years), I've tried CS as a cure and it 
> seems to work 
> for me best as a preventative, I've tried numerous other 
> things....So 
> far the Buteyko breathing is helping the most.  I got a book 
> off of ebay or Amazon, the book is really cheap, its called 
> 'Breathing Free' by Teresa Hale.If you are going to try 
> this, this book is a good and very inexpensive way to start. 
> I'[m still looking for someone that has done the breathing 
> method, would like to compare with how it is working with theirs 
> and mine. Kathy
> - Original Message -
> From: "David AuBuchon" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 5:28 PM
> Subject: Re: CS>asthma
> 
> 
> Sorry, I have not heard of this, but am glad it is helping 
> you.  Those improvements are quite impressive for breathing 
> exercises.  I would still encourage you to pursue things that 
> could potentially remove a root cause of the asthma, as 
> opposed to manage.  Nebulized colloidal silver, liposomal 
> colostrum, food allergy elimination, and liposomal 
> glutathione would be my suggestions.
> 
> I used to take albuterol, advair, and singulair...not 
> entirely sure how I got off of them, but I did...must have 
> partially "outgrown it"
> or something.
> 
> ~David
> 
> On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 3:14 PM, Kathy Tankersley 
>  wrote:
> > Back in March of this year I started the Buyeko breathing 
> method for 
> > my asthma. I am much better, with a big difference the 
> first week. I 
> > went off steroids, I was using my albuterol mist machine 4 times a 
> > day, the rescue inhaler, 4-5 times a day, Advair, 
> singular.I haven't 
> > used the albuterol mist machine for some time, the rescue inhaler 
> > maybe 1 every day or two, I still take advair and singular, but am 
> > looking to get off the advair hopefully.
> > I'm much much better, still cannot run a race, but I can 
> take walks, 
> > and work in my flowers, and do my housework. I'm 73 and 
> thankfull for 
> > eveery breath I take.
> > What I'm wanting to know is: Is there anyone else that has had an 
> > experience with this method? I'd like to hear from you.
> > Kathy
> 
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Re: CS>asthma

[Kathy Tankersley]

THere is alot of info on the internet, (a couple of peole have sent the info) 
also the book 'Breathing Free' by Theresa Hale, is what I ordered and got me 
started.  The book is about .98 cents but you have to pay the postage.   Let me 
know how you do!   Good Luck,   Kathy
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jimmie Cairn 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 10:40 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>asthma


  Hi There;
I am 80. A life long asthma victim.  Never heard of this program but would 
like to know how to get information on it.  I tried the link, but got nothing 
in US.  Only information on Australia.  Are there no technicians who use this 
in the US?  Please, any information would be greatly appreciated. 
 My Thanks   Jimmie






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  From: Kathy Tankersley 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Sent: Sun, July 31, 2011 5:14:15 PM
  Subject: CS>asthma


  Back in March of this year I started the Buyeko breathing method for my 
asthma.  I am much better, with a big difference the first week.  I went off 
steroids, I was using my albuterol mist machine  4 times a day, the rescue 
inhaler, 4-5 times a day, Advair, singular.I haven't used the albuterol mist 
machine for some time, the rescue inhaler maybe 1 every day or two, I still 
take advair and singular, but am looking to get off the advair hopefully.  I'm 
much much better, still cannot run a race, but I can take walks, and work in my 
flowers, and do my housework.  I'm 73 and thankfull for eveery breath I take.
  What I'm wanting to know is:  Is there anyone else that has had an experience 
with this method?  I'd like to hear from you.
  Kathy

Re: CS>asthma

[Kathy Tankersley]

Thanks for the info, and all the answers, I tried to nebulize silver, it 
seemed to make it harder for me to breathe, however, a swig a day kept me 
out of the hospital this past winter, I had asthma, but no lung infection 
which is unusual.  I will check into the other suggestions, I'm taking gobs 
of vitamins (have for years), I've tried CS as a cure and it seems to work 
for me best as a preventative, I've tried numerous other things....So 
far the Buteyko breathing is helping the most.  I got a book off of ebay or 
Amazon, the book is really cheap, its called 'Breathing Free' by Teresa 
Hale.If you are going to try this, this book is a good and very 
inexpensive way to start. I'[m still looking for someone that has done the 
breathing method, would like to compare with how it is working with theirs 
and mine. Kathy
- Original Message - 
From: "David AuBuchon" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: CS>asthma


Sorry, I have not heard of this, but am glad it is helping you.  Those
improvements are quite impressive for breathing exercises.  I would
still encourage you to pursue things that could potentially remove a
root cause of the asthma, as opposed to manage.  Nebulized colloidal
silver, liposomal colostrum, food allergy elimination, and liposomal
glutathione would be my suggestions.

I used to take albuterol, advair, and singulair...not entirely sure
how I got off of them, but I did...must have partially "outgrown it"
or something.

~David

On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 3:14 PM, Kathy Tankersley
 wrote:

Back in March of this year I started the Buyeko breathing method for my
asthma. I am much better, with a big difference the first week. I went off
steroids, I was using my albuterol mist machine 4 times a day, the rescue
inhaler, 4-5 times a day, Advair, singular.I haven't used the albuterol 
mist
machine for some time, the rescue inhaler maybe 1 every day or two, I 
still

take advair and singular, but am looking to get off the advair hopefully.
I'm much much better, still cannot run a race, but I can take walks, and
work in my flowers, and do my housework. I'm 73 and thankfull for eveery
breath I take.
What I'm wanting to know is: Is there anyone else that has had an
experience with this method? I'd like to hear from you.
Kathy



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Re: CS>asthma

[Hanneke]

Hi Jimmie,
Hope this one gives more info for you: 

http://www.buteyko-usa.com/
At 01:10 PM 1/08/2011, you wrote:
Hi There;
  I am 80. A life long asthma victim.  Never heard of this
program but would like to know how to get information on it.  I
tried the link, but got nothing in US.  Only information on
Australia.  Are there no technicians who use this in the US? 
Please, any information would be greatly appreciated. 
  
My Thanks   Jimmie


From: Kathy Tankersley

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, July 31, 2011 5:14:15 PM
Subject: CS>asthma

Back in March of this year I started
the Buyeko breathing method for my asthma.  I am much better, with a
big difference the first week.  I went off steroids, I was using my
albuterol mist machine  4 times a day, the rescue inhaler, 4-5 times
a day, Advair, singular.I haven't used the albuterol mist machine for
some time, the rescue inhaler maybe 1 every day or two, I still take
advair and singular, but am looking to get off the advair
hopefully.  I'm much much better, still cannot run a race, but I can
take walks, and work in my flowers, and do my housework.  I'm 73 and
thankfull for eveery breath I take.
What I'm wanting to know is:  Is there anyone else that has had an
experience with this method?  I'd like to hear from you.
Kathy



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Re: CS>asthma

[Smitty]

There's some info here =

http://www.buteykocenterusa.com/

Smitty



On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 5:40 PM, Jimmie Cairn wrote:

> Hi There;
>   I am 80. A life long asthma victim.  Never heard of this program but
> would like to know how to get information on it.  I tried the link, but got
> nothing in US.  Only information on Australia.  Are there no technicians who
> use this in the US?  Please, any information would be greatly appreciated.
>My Thanks   Jimmie
>
>
> --
> *From:* Kathy Tankersley 
> *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
> *Sent:* Sun, July 31, 2011 5:14:15 PM
> *Subject:* CS>asthma
>
> Back in March of this year I started the Buyeko breathing method for my
> asthma.  I am much better, with a big difference the first week.  I went off
> steroids, I was using my albuterol mist machine  4 times a day, the rescue
> inhaler, 4-5 times a day, Advair, singular.I haven't used the albuterol mist
> machine for some time, the rescue inhaler maybe 1 every day or two, I still
> take advair and singular, but am looking to get off the advair hopefully.
> I'm much much better, still cannot run a race, but I can take walks, and
> work in my flowers, and do my housework.  I'm 73 and thankfull for eveery
> breath I take.
> What I'm wanting to know is:  Is there anyone else that has had an
> experience with this method?  I'd like to hear from you.
> Kathy
>

Re: CS>asthma

[Jimmie Cairn]

Hi There;
  I am 80. A life long asthma victim.  Never heard of this program but would 
like to know how to get information on it.  I tried the link, but got nothing 
in 
US.  Only information on Australia.  Are there no technicians who use this in 
the US?  Please, any information would be greatly appreciated. 

   My Thanks   Jimmie






From: Kathy Tankersley 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, July 31, 2011 5:14:15 PM
Subject: CS>asthma

 
Back in March of this year I started the Buyeko  breathing method for my 
asthma.  I am much better, with a big difference  the first week.  I went off 
steroids, I was using my albuterol mist  machine  4 times a day, the rescue 
inhaler, 4-5 times a day, Advair,  singular.I haven't used the albuterol mist 
machine for some time, the rescue  inhaler maybe 1 every day or two, I still 
take advair and singular, but am  looking to get off the advair hopefully.  I'm 
much much better, still  cannot run a race, but I can take walks, and work in 
my 
flowers, and do my  housework.  I'm 73 and thankfull for eveery breath I take.
What I'm wanting to know is:  Is there anyone  else that has had an experience 
with this method?  I'd like to hear from  you.
Kathy

RE: CS>asthma

[PTFerrance]

Hi,

This isn't my personal experience but a friend of mine used Buteyko and got
off all her asthma medications and also cleared all allergies.  It is a
blessing to her.

PT

 

From: Kathy Tankersley [mailto:babychicks...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 6:14 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>asthma

 

Back in March of this year I started the Buyeko breathing method for my
asthma.  I am much better, with a big difference the first week.  I went off
steroids, I was using my albuterol mist machine  4 times a day, the rescue
inhaler, 4-5 times a day, Advair, singular.I haven't used the albuterol mist
machine for some time, the rescue inhaler maybe 1 every day or two, I still
take advair and singular, but am looking to get off the advair hopefully.
I'm much much better, still cannot run a race, but I can take walks, and
work in my flowers, and do my housework.  I'm 73 and thankfull for eveery
breath I take.

What I'm wanting to know is:  Is there anyone else that has had an
experience with this method?  I'd like to hear from you.

Kathy

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Re: CS>asthma

[Hanneke]

The link I earlier sent was mostly for instruction sessions in 
Australia, sorry about this.


Here is a  search result page for the 
method.. 
http://www.google.com.au/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&=&q=buteyko+breathing&oq=buten&aq=1s&aqi=g1g-s1g2g-s2g2g-s1g1&aql=&gs_sm=c&gs_upl=11569l14771l0l17498l5l5l0l0l0l0l391l1593l2-2.3l5




At 07:58 AM 1/08/2011, you wrote:

Sorry, I have not heard of this, but am glad it is helping you.  Those
improvements are quite impressive for breathing exercises.  I would
still encourage you to pursue things that could potentially remove a
root cause of the asthma, as opposed to manage.  Nebulized colloidal
silver, liposomal colostrum, food allergy elimination, and liposomal
glutathione would be my suggestions.

I used to take albuterol, advair, and singulair...not entirely sure
how I got off of them, but I did...must have partially "outgrown it"



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Re: CS>asthma

[Hanneke]

The Buteyko method is not  to manage your asthma, it is a therapy to 
heal/cure your asthma and many other health issues as result of wrong 
breathing. Well worth learning about.


2 freiends of mine were able to do away with the C-pap machine  to 
which they had to hook themselves on to when going to sleep.
From my understanding, the Buteyko method is nearly the first port 
of call in Russia, with the medical system,  for those who have been 
diagnosed with asthma.


I have used it myself and my asthma has not returned.  Leaving dairy 
out is often a means of managing, and many of the preventative meds 
are too to manage.  The Buteyko may surprise many. It does much more 
than prevention or managing.



http://www.naturaltherapypages.com.au/exercise_fitness/Buteyko_Breathing_Technique?source=ppc&gclid=COrqwZPbrKoCFUyGpAodsQNRXw






At 07:58 AM 1/08/2011, you wrote:

Sorry, I have not heard of this, but am glad it is helping you.  Those
improvements are quite impressive for breathing exercises.  I would
still encourage you to pursue things that could potentially remove a
root cause of the asthma, as opposed to manage.  Nebulized colloidal
silver, liposomal colostrum, food allergy elimination, and liposomal
glutathione would be my suggestions.

I used to take albuterol, advair, and singulair...not entirely sure
how I got off of them, but I did...must have partially "outgrown it"
or something.

~David

On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 3:14 PM, Kathy Tankersley
 wrote:
> Back in March of this year I started the Buyeko breathing method for my
> asthma.  I am much better, with a big difference the first 
week.  I went off

> steroids, I was using my albuterol mist machine  4 times a day, the rescue
> inhaler, 4-5 times a day, Advair, singular.I haven't used the 
albuterol mist

> machine for some time, the rescue inhaler maybe 1 every day or two, I still
> take advair and singular, but am looking to get off the advair hopefully.
> I'm much much better, still cannot run a race, but I can take walks, and
> work in my flowers, and do my housework.  I'm 73 and thankfull for eveery
> breath I take.
> What I'm wanting to know is:  Is there anyone else that has had an
> experience with this method?  I'd like to hear from you.
> Kathy


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Re: CS>asthma

[David AuBuchon]

Sorry, I have not heard of this, but am glad it is helping you.  Those
improvements are quite impressive for breathing exercises.  I would
still encourage you to pursue things that could potentially remove a
root cause of the asthma, as opposed to manage.  Nebulized colloidal
silver, liposomal colostrum, food allergy elimination, and liposomal
glutathione would be my suggestions.

I used to take albuterol, advair, and singulair...not entirely sure
how I got off of them, but I did...must have partially "outgrown it"
or something.

~David

On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 3:14 PM, Kathy Tankersley
 wrote:
> Back in March of this year I started the Buyeko breathing method for my
> asthma.  I am much better, with a big difference the first week.  I went off
> steroids, I was using my albuterol mist machine  4 times a day, the rescue
> inhaler, 4-5 times a day, Advair, singular.I haven't used the albuterol mist
> machine for some time, the rescue inhaler maybe 1 every day or two, I still
> take advair and singular, but am looking to get off the advair hopefully.
> I'm much much better, still cannot run a race, but I can take walks, and
> work in my flowers, and do my housework.  I'm 73 and thankfull for eveery
> breath I take.
> What I'm wanting to know is:  Is there anyone else that has had an
> experience with this method?  I'd like to hear from you.
> Kathy


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Re: CS>asthma

[PT Ferrance]

Jaxi, where can I find out about breathing techniques for specific issues like 
anxiety?
Thanks.
PT





From: jaxi 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, March 7, 2011 2:19:44 PM
Subject: Re: CS>asthma


Kathy - was the method easy to learn?  I work with a great many kids with 
asthma.  I often use breathing techniques for anxiety calming/regulation.  If I 
could also incorporate some techniques that would help with the asthma too that 
would be amazing.

Jaxi


On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Kathy Tankersley  wrote:

Some of you may remember when I got out of the hospital last March and was very 
fustrated with being sick with asthma, getting over loaded with steroids and 
with the whole thing of not being able to breathe.  Some of you wonderful 
people 
sent me ideas, suggestions, etc.  One of the suggestions (although I tried alot 
of them) was the Buteyko Breathing Method.  Out of desperation, about a month 
ago, I ordered the book off ebay and began the breathing techniques.  I've been 
doing the breathing techniques about 3 weeks now, and I'm much better!  I could 
tell a big difference in just a week!  Since Nov of 2010, till three weeks ago, 
 I had shortness of breath so bad, I couldn't function, I was on prednisone, 
nebulizer 4 times a day along with the 'rescue' inhaler.  My Dr. told me that I 
am taking all they have to offer. The Buteyko Method has cut my Nebulizer down 
to 1 time a day with half the solution, rescue inhaler, maybe once a day, and 
I'm off predisone!    I'm thrilled with the results.  (I can't run a race) but 
I'm back to cleaning my house and doing my house work. 
>Anyway, I wanted to say ''thank you' to all of the ones that offered their 
>imput, I always go to the silver list to see what regular people are saying 
>about disease, etc.  Thanks again...Kathy 

Re: CS>asthma

[PT Ferrance]

Hi Kathy,
I think I'm one of the ones who recommended Buteyko Breathing to you.  I knew 
what it did for a friend.  It is a shame that it is not well known in the USA 
and that doctors keep hurting people with steroids.  Within a year my friend 
was 
asthma and allergy free. 

Good luck to you.
PT





From: Kathy Tankersley 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, March 7, 2011 1:36:35 PM
Subject: CS>asthma


Some of you may remember when I got out of the hospital last March and was very 
fustrated with being sick with asthma, getting over loaded with steroids and 
with the whole thing of not being able to breathe.  Some of you wonderful 
people 
sent me ideas, suggestions, etc.  One of the suggestions (although I tried alot 
of them) was the Buteyko Breathing Method.  Out of desperation, about a month 
ago, I ordered the book off ebay and began the breathing techniques.  I've been 
doing the breathing techniques about 3 weeks now, and I'm much better!  I could 
tell a big difference in just a week!  Since Nov of 2010, till three weeks ago, 
 I had shortness of breath so bad, I couldn't function, I was on prednisone, 
nebulizer 4 times a day along with the 'rescue' inhaler.  My Dr. told me that I 
am taking all they have to offer. The Buteyko Method has cut my Nebulizer down 
to 1 time a day with half the solution, rescue inhaler, maybe once a day, and 
I'm off predisone!    I'm thrilled with the results.  (I can't run a race) but 
I'm back to cleaning my house and doing my house work. 
Anyway, I wanted to say ''thank you' to all of the ones that offered their 
imput, I always go to the silver list to see what regular people are saying 
about disease, etc.  Thanks again...Kathy 

Re: CS>asthma

[Kathy Tankersley]

Yes, the method is esy to learn, one of the basic things is to breathe out of 
your nose, not your mouth, and the method is very easy. to learn.  In fact, 
they say in the book that this can easily be taught to children (I think over 5 
years of age).  The book I got is 'Breathing Free' by Teresa Hale.  Another 
thing that they teach is, instead of reaching for the 'rescue inhaler', to do 
the breathing method first, then use the inhaler if still needed.  They 
recommend NOT  get rid of any of your medicine, inhalers, etc.  I was glad to 
read that as I am realizing that there is an 'emotional' tie to the inhalers, 
nebulizers, etc. (At least thats what I've found in my own experience).   If I 
can be of help any further, please write.  Kathy
  - Original Message - 
  From: jaxi 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 1:19 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>asthma


  Kathy - was the method easy to learn?  I work with a great many kids with 
asthma.  I often use breathing techniques for anxiety calming/regulation.  If I 
could also incorporate some techniques that would help with the asthma too that 
would be amazing.

  Jaxi


  On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Kathy Tankersley  wrote:

Some of you may remember when I got out of the hospital last March and was 
very fustrated with being sick with asthma, getting over loaded with steroids 
and with the whole thing of not being able to breathe.  Some of you wonderful 
people sent me ideas, suggestions, etc.  One of the suggestions (although I 
tried alot of them) was the Buteyko Breathing Method.  Out of desperation, 
about a month ago, I ordered the book off ebay and began the breathing 
techniques.  I've been doing the breathing techniques about 3 weeks now, and 
I'm much better!  I could tell a big difference in just a week!  Since Nov of 
2010, till three weeks ago,  I had shortness of breath so bad, I couldn't 
function, I was on prednisone, nebulizer 4 times a day along with the 'rescue' 
inhaler.  My Dr. told me that I am taking all they have to offer. The Buteyko 
Method has cut my Nebulizer down to 1 time a day with half the solution, rescue 
inhaler, maybe once a day, and I'm off predisone!I'm thrilled with the 
results.  (I can't run a race) but I'm back to cleaning my house and doing my 
house work. 
Anyway, I wanted to say ''thank you' to all of the ones that offered their 
imput, I always go to the silver list to see what regular people are saying 
about disease, etc.  Thanks again...Kathy 

Re: CS>asthma

[jaxi]

Kathy - was the method easy to learn?  I work with a great many kids with
asthma.  I often use breathing techniques for anxiety calming/regulation.
If I could also incorporate some techniques that would help with the asthma
too that would be amazing.

Jaxi

On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Kathy Tankersley wrote:

>  Some of you may remember when I got out of the hospital last March and
> was very fustrated with being sick with asthma, getting over loaded with
> steroids and with the whole thing of not being able to breathe.  Some of you
> wonderful people sent me ideas, suggestions, etc.  One of the suggestions
> (although I tried alot of them) was the Buteyko Breathing Method.  Out of
> desperation, about a month ago, I ordered the book off ebay and began the
> breathing techniques.  I've been doing the breathing techniques about 3
> weeks now, and I'm much better!  I could tell a big difference in just a
> week!  Since Nov of 2010, till three weeks ago,  I had shortness of breath
> so bad, I couldn't function, I was on prednisone, nebulizer 4 times a day
> along with the 'rescue' inhaler.  My Dr. told me that I am taking all they
> have to offer. The Buteyko Method has cut my Nebulizer down to 1 time a day
> with half the solution, rescue inhaler, maybe once a day, and I'm off
> predisone!I'm thrilled with the results.  (I can't run a race) but I'm
> back to cleaning my house and doing my house work.
> Anyway, I wanted to say ''thank you' to all of the ones that offered their
> imput, I always go to the silver list to see what regular people are saying
> about disease, etc.  Thanks again...Kathy
>

Re: CS>asthma

[Marshall Dudley]

Vitamin D takes care of asthma in many people.   Try this link for lots 
of research:


http://www.google.com/#hl=en&ei=pErDS5X6IsP48AbRt7G9DQ&sa=X&oi=spellfullpage&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=2&ved=0CAoQvwUoAQ&q=asthma+vitamin+d&spell=1&fp=caec63d5ff72707a

Marshall

Kathryn Clayton wrote:



http://www.sinuses.com/fungal.htm

Here is some good reading - the same researcher that demonstrated this 
also demonstrated later the connection with asthma- fungal issues in 
the lungs. Many people find asthma relief from taking antifungals. 
Many people find that they have to change their entire diet to a 
fresh, whole food diet high in veggies, and other stuff to detox the 
mold toxins- the info is findable by googling things like candida(a 
type of fungus/yeast), anti mold diets, etc.


Good luck. 


kathryn


On Mar 29, 2010, at 11:01 AM, Kathy Tankersley wrote:

I am at my wits end with this asthma, I just got out of the hospital 
after receiving massive doses of steroids, high powered anti-botics.  
There is got to be a better way:  Is there anyone on the list that 
has 'lived' thur ths and had any progress with CS or any other herb, 
etc.?  I am ready to drink poison if it would help. If you have had 
any experience with what I am describing, please help.  Thanks, Kathy





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Re: CS>asthma

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Eh?  dee

On 4 Apr 2010, at 00:39, Leo Regehr wrote:

>  
> - Original Message -
> From: Kathy Tankersley
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 7:52 AM
> Subject: Re: CS>asthma
> 
> Golly, I guess I have alot to learn, I ordered the book by Jim Humble on the 
> same day I got your email.  Now, I am afraid to go ahead with it in any form. 
>  Seems like I'm back to square one.  Thanks for the infoKathy
> - Original Message -
> From: poast
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 4:25 PM
> Subject: Re: CS>asthma
> 
> Hello Kathy,
>  
> Chlorine dioxide is a respiratory irritant.  People who are exposed to it 
> developed asthma like symptoms.  I am not sure if it behaves  the same from 
> the inside out, but I would advise extreme caution should you actually decide 
> to take this route.
>  
> Tom
>  
>  
>  
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: Kathy Tankersley
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 10:37 AM
> Subject: CS>asthma
> 
> I want thank all you wonderful caring people for answering my plea for help 
> with asthma, each hint/tip I am researching.  I'm really leaning toward MMS 
> as a start, does anyone have a comment on this?Thanks you so much for 
> your help,  ...Kathy


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Re: CS>asthma

[Leo Regehr]

  - Original Message - 
  From: Kathy Tankersley 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 7:52 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>asthma


  Golly, I guess I have alot to learn, I ordered the book by Jim Humble on the 
same day I got your email.  Now, I am afraid to go ahead with it in any form.  
Seems like I'm back to square one.  Thanks for the infoKathy
- Original Message - 
From: poast 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 4:25 PM
Subject: Re: CS>asthma


Hello Kathy,

Chlorine dioxide is a respiratory irritant.  People who are exposed to it 
developed asthma like symptoms.  I am not sure if it behaves  the same from the 
inside out, but I would advise extreme caution should you actually decide to 
take this route.

Tom




  - Original Message - 
  From: Kathy Tankersley 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 10:37 AM
  Subject: CS>asthma


  I want thank all you wonderful caring people for answering my plea for 
help with asthma, each hint/tip I am researching.  I'm really leaning toward 
MMS as a start, does anyone have a comment on this?Thanks you so much for 
your help,  ...Kathy

Re: CS>asthma

[Day Sutton]

Jim Humble is the authority here.  Read his works

On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 12:14 PM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:

> I think you will be fine Kathy (you sound like me!) just read the book and
> then start slowly.  I think some people go too fast but if you start slow
> you should be fine.  It has been a great help to some people I know, but you
> have to treat it with respect like a lot of things.  dee
>
> On 3 Apr 2010, at 14:52, Kathy Tankersley wrote:
>
> > Golly, I guess I have alot to learn, I ordered the book by Jim Humble on
> the same day I got your email.  Now, I am afraid to go ahead with it in any
> form.  Seems like I'm back to square one.  Thanks for the infoKathy
>
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Re: CS>asthma

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

I think you will be fine Kathy (you sound like me!) just read the book and then 
start slowly.  I think some people go too fast but if you start slow you should 
be fine.  It has been a great help to some people I know, but you have to treat 
it with respect like a lot of things.  dee

On 3 Apr 2010, at 14:52, Kathy Tankersley wrote:

> Golly, I guess I have alot to learn, I ordered the book by Jim Humble on the 
> same day I got your email.  Now, I am afraid to go ahead with it in any form. 
>  Seems like I'm back to square one.  Thanks for the infoKathy


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Re: CS>asthma

[Kathy Tankersley]

Golly, I guess I have alot to learn, I ordered the book by Jim Humble on the 
same day I got your email.  Now, I am afraid to go ahead with it in any form.  
Seems like I'm back to square one.  Thanks for the infoKathy
  - Original Message - 
  From: poast 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 4:25 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>asthma


  Hello Kathy,

  Chlorine dioxide is a respiratory irritant.  People who are exposed to it 
developed asthma like symptoms.  I am not sure if it behaves  the same from the 
inside out, but I would advise extreme caution should you actually decide to 
take this route.

  Tom




- Original Message - 
From: Kathy Tankersley 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 10:37 AM
Subject: CS>asthma


I want thank all you wonderful caring people for answering my plea for help 
with asthma, each hint/tip I am researching.  I'm really leaning toward MMS as 
a start, does anyone have a comment on this?Thanks you so much for your 
help,  ...Kathy

Re: CS>asthma

[poast]

Hello Kathy,

Chlorine dioxide is a respiratory irritant.  People who are exposed to it 
developed asthma like symptoms.  I am not sure if it behaves  the same from the 
inside out, but I would advise extreme caution should you actually decide to 
take this route.

Tom




  - Original Message - 
  From: Kathy Tankersley 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 10:37 AM
  Subject: CS>asthma


  I want thank all you wonderful caring people for answering my plea for help 
with asthma, each hint/tip I am researching.  I'm really leaning toward MMS as 
a start, does anyone have a comment on this?Thanks you so much for your 
help,  ...Kathy

Re: CS>asthma

[arthur rambo]

Keep in mind that MMS is oxidative. You want to counter the effects with 
anti-oxidants. I hear people warn about taking mms too close to C, etc, but I 
think both are equally important, and that the mms does its thing in a short 
time(like in the first hour, although effects may continue) so if mms were to 
be done long term, there is no problem with juggling the two, unless you're not 
getting results you want; then you have to increase or decrease, depending. 
  


From: Kathy Tankersley 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, March 31, 2010 11:37:36 AM
Subject: CS>asthma


I want thank all you wonderful caring people for answering my plea for help 
with asthma, each hint/tip I am researching.  I'm really leaning toward MMS as 
a start, does anyone have a comment on this?    Thanks you so much for your 
help,  ...Kathy


  

Re: CS>asthma

[Pat]

This is from Life Extension Foundation
 
The February 2010 issue of the Journal 
of Asthma published the findings of a clinical trial involving 
adults with mild to moderate asthma which noted improvements in asthma 
control and quality of life after six months of supplementation with 
magnesium.
Alexandra Kazaks, PhD of Bastyr 
University in Kenmore, Washington, along with colleagues at the 
University of California, Davis, randomized 55 asthmatic men and women 
aged 21 to 55 to receive 340 milligrams per day magnesium as magnesium 
citrate or a placebo for 6.5 months. Bronchial responsiveness, as 
assessed by a methacholine challenge test, and pulmonary function, 
assessed by spirometry, were evaluated before and after the treatment 
period. Questionnaires designed to assess asthma control and quality of 
life were administered at the beginning and end of the study, and 
exhaled nitric oxide and serum C-reactive protein were measured to 
evaluate bronchial and systemic inflammation. Additionally, magnesium in serum, 
red blood cells and urine, and total body magnesium stores were 
analyzed. Dietary intake of magnesium was quantified via 24-hour dietary 
records completed prior to the initial visit and at 3 and 6.5 months.
There were no significant changes 
in markers of magnesium status or inflammation observed between baseline and 
end of study values or between the treatment and placebo groups. 
Nevertheless, bronchial reactivity improved in the group that received 
magnesium, as indicated by an increase in the concentration of 
methacholine required to result in a 20 percent decrease in forced 
expiratory volume. Improvements were also observed in peak expiratory 
flow rate, and subjective assessments of asthma control and quality of 
life.
The authors remark that 
interactions of magnesium with calcium and the influence of the mineral 
on the cell membrane confer anti-inflammatory and bronchodilatory 
properties that could help improve asthma control. They suggest that the 
shorter duration of previous studies that failed to find significant 
benefits for magnesium in asthma control may not have been sufficient to effect 
improvements. "Although there is conflicting research regarding 
magnesium supplementation and asthma outcomes, this study adds to the 
body of research that shows a beneficial response to magnesium 
supplementation in people who have mild to moderate asthma," they 
conclude. 

   
Asthma
During as asthma attack, a cascade of events is launched that results in the 
production of histamine and 
leukotrienes. Leukotrienes are derived from the inflammatory arachidonic acid. 
These inflammatory mediators cause a host of changes in bronchial tissue: they 
trigger a dramatic increase in mucus secretion and a 
simultaneous rapid constriction of the bronchial smooth muscle, which 
narrows the bronchial tubes and reduces the amount of air that can pass 
through them. Over the course of the subsequent few hours, inflammatory 
cells move into the area, capillaries begin to leak fluid, and direct 
tissue damage occurs, triggering further inflammation and swelling. The 
net result is wheezing and coughing and eventual trapping of air in the 
alveoli (a tiny, thin-walled, capillary-rich sac in the lungs, or air 
sac) and smaller airways. This air trapping is most dangerous to the 
asthmatic because it progressively limits the amount of air that can be 
exchanged between the lungs and the blood stream, eventually causing 
rising carbon dioxide levels and falling oxygen levels. The increased 
muscular effort required to move air increases oxygen demand, tissue 
metabolism, and acid production, eventually resulting in exhaustion and, in 
extreme cases, respiratory collapse and arrest.
Why the bronchial tubes become so 
sensitive in asthmatics is not fully understood, but research suggests 
that immune-system cells known as T cells play a central role. Some T 
cells induce inflammation to fight off a foreign threat, while others 
reduce inflammation once the threat has subsided. Conditions such as 
asthma, in which the body overreacts to threats, may be related to an 
imbalance or malfunction of these and other immune-system components 
(Tosca MA et al 2003; Howard TD et al 2002; Ray A et al 2000).
The idea behind nutritional 
supplementation is to disrupt this inflammatory cascade whenever 
possible. For example, omega-3 fatty acids have been shown to inhibit 
the production of arachidonic acid, which reduces the concentration of 
inflammatory leukotrienes (Wong KW 2005). Other nutrients, such as 
curcumin, interfere with other causative factors in the inflammatory 
cascade, such as inhibiting nuclear factor kappa beta and an enzyme that 
converts arachidonic acid to leukotriene B4.
Several studies have indicated 
that patients with asthma have lower levels of magnesium within the 
cells lining the airways. When daily magnesium supplementation was given to 
children with mild to moderate asthma,

Re: CS>asthma

[Kathryn Clayton]

http://www.sinuses.com/fungal.htm

Here is some good reading - the same researcher that demonstrated this also 
demonstrated later the connection with asthma- fungal issues in the lungs. Many 
people find asthma relief from taking antifungals. Many people find that they 
have to change their entire diet to a fresh, whole food diet high in veggies, 
and other stuff to detox the mold toxins- the info is findable by googling 
things like candida(a type of fungus/yeast), anti mold diets, etc.

Good luck. 

kathryn


On Mar 29, 2010, at 11:01 AM, Kathy Tankersley wrote:

> I am at my wits end with this asthma, I just got out of the hospital after 
> receiving massive doses of steroids, high powered anti-botics.  There is got 
> to be a better way:  Is there anyone on the list that has 'lived' thur ths 
> and had any progress with CS or any other herb, etc.?  I am ready to drink 
> poison if it would help. If you have had any experience with what I am 
> describing, please help.  Thanks, Kathy

Re: CS>asthma

[arthur rambo]

I think vitamin c deficiency might be involved. I can tell you for sure, that 
those times that I would do 80,000 mg IV bags of vitamin c in saline solution, 
I would begin to take very deep breaths. 
  I am a shallow breather unless I focus on improving it, due to smoking for 30 
years. 
 http://vitamincfoundation.org might be a good place to look. 





From: Richard Goodwin 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, March 29, 2010 11:18:51 AM
Subject: Re: CS>asthma


I have had asthma since I was a kid.  The ONLY thing I have ever found that 
eliminates it is to get ALL allergens out of my life, one way or another.

Taking desensitization shots never worked completely, but did work some.

But the only foolproof thing for me has always been avoidance.

But allergies are just one of several possible causes of asthma.  Other 
possible causes include infections (which CS certainly ought to help with -- 
drink CS and also inhale CS spray from a nebulizer or sprayer), cold air (avoid 
it or at least take it easy until your asthma gets better), exercise (avoid it 
or at least take it easy until the asthma gets better), and stress (get it out 
of your life, both the stressors and your reaction to stress).

And of course several of those causes can add together if they are all present 
at the same time, so think about getting rid of all of them.

There may be other causes.  There may be other cures.  I too would love to hear 
more about the subject.

Dick





From: Kathy Tankersley 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, March 29, 2010 12:01:19 PM
Subject: CS>asthma


I am at my wits end with this asthma, I just got out of the hospital after 
receiving massive doses of steroids, high powered anti-botics.  There is got to 
be a better way:  Is there anyone on the list that has 'lived' thur ths and had 
any progress with CS or any other herb, etc.?  I am ready to drink poison if it 
would help. If you have had any experience with what I am describing, please 
help.  Thanks, Kathy


  

Re: CS>asthma

[Renee]

Cell Food really helped open my lungs.  I had bad asthma as a child and it
lingered into adulthood.  Though I seldom got attacks, it would be very hard
for me to breath if I extended myself, or got cold, or the air was really
humid.  Cell Food took all that away.  I could feel a difference in my lungs
in just 2 days.

 
samala,
Renee
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---Original Message---
 
I have had asthma since I was a kid.  The ONLY thing I have ever found that 
eliminates it is to get ALL allergens out of my life, one way or another.

Re: CS>asthma

[Richard Goodwin]

I have had asthma since I was a kid.  The ONLY thing I have ever found that 
eliminates it is to get ALL allergens out of my life, one way or another.

Taking desensitization shots never worked completely, but did work some.

But the only foolproof thing for me has always been avoidance.

But allergies are just one of several possible causes of asthma.  Other 
possible causes include infections (which CS certainly ought to help with -- 
drink CS and also inhale CS spray from a nebulizer or sprayer), cold air (avoid 
it or at least take it easy until your asthma gets better), exercise (avoid it 
or at least take it easy until the asthma gets better), and stress (get it out 
of your life, both the stressors and your reaction to stress).

And of course several of those causes can add together if they are all present 
at the same time, so think about getting rid of all of them.

There may be other causes.  There may be other cures.  I too would love to hear 
more about the subject.

Dick





From: Kathy Tankersley 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, March 29, 2010 12:01:19 PM
Subject: CS>asthma

 
I am at my wits end with this asthma, I just got 
out of the hospital after receiving massive doses of steroids, high powered 
anti-botics.  There is got to be a better way:  Is there anyone on the 
list that has 'lived' thur ths and had any progress with CS or any other herb, 
etc.?  I am ready to drink poison if it would help. If you have had any 
experience with what I am describing, please help.  Thanks, 
Kathy

Re: CS>asthma

[needling around]

I'm sorry you are having this problem.  I have seen asthma respond well to 
acupuncture, energy work for emotions and there is something called Buteyko 
Breathing Exercises.  You can teach it to yourself.  A friend of mine did this 
and cured herself of asthma and allergies.  Like any process, it works if you 
work it.  You can google Buteyko Breathing Exercises and do some research.  

Good luck,
PT
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kathy Tankersley 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 12:01 PM
  Subject: CS>asthma


  I am at my wits end with this asthma, I just got out of the hospital after 
receiving massive doses of steroids, high powered anti-botics.  There is got to 
be a better way:  Is there anyone on the list that has 'lived' thur ths and had 
any progress with CS or any other herb, etc.?  I am ready to drink poison if it 
would help. If you have had any experience with what I am describing, please 
help.  Thanks, Kathy

RE: CS>asthma

[Lisa Knowles]

Thanks for the info Larry.  Wow, what great results!  I started nebulizing 
Utopia Naturals Ionic Silver (20 ppm) twice a day a few days ago and it seemed 
to help at first but today I'm a little worse again.  I'm nebulizing about 3 mL 
twice a day.

 

I can't really see myself making cs at this point in my life.  Is your silver 
ionic or colloidal?  How many ppm?  What kind of nebulizer did you use?

 

Maybe I should also spray some in my throat and up my nose and take internally.

 

I believe that inflammation from a gall bladder infection caused the breakdown 
of my health over the last few months.  Have adrenal fatigue, too and now 
asthma.  I cleared a systemic fungal infection last year with cs, but it had no 
effect on the gall bladder infection, finally had to have surgery.

 

Best, Lisa Marie
 


Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 08:57:12 -0800
From: lbig...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: CS>asthma
To: silver-list@eskimo.com





HI Lisa! I had asthma/copd. Baught a Silver Puppy. Started spraying my throat 
and nostrils a few times a couple of times a day. Plus 1 shot under my tongue. 
I had instant success. Then i baught a nebulizer. That seemed to go deaper and 
more results. Used it a few times. Went to see my Dr. at the VA. He suggested i 
stop my inhalers! Regards, Larry

--- On Thu, 1/14/10, Lisa Knowles  wrote:


From: Lisa Knowles 
Subject: CS>asthma
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Thursday, January 14, 2010, 8:30 AM




Hi Everyone,  I'm new here and am interested in hearing from anyone who has 
successfully (or not) treated their asthma using CS and/or DMSO.
 
I just started nebulizing CS and lobelia extract a few days ago.
 
I'd love to hear what protocols people have tried.
 
Thanks! Lisa Marie



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Re: CS>asthma

[Larry Biggar]

HI Lisa! I had asthma/copd. Baught a Silver Puppy. Started spraying my throat 
and nostrils a few times a couple of times a day. Plus 1 shot under my tongue. 
I had instant success. Then i baught a nebulizer. That seemed to go deaper and 
more results. Used it a few times. Went to see my Dr. at the VA. He suggested i 
stop my inhalers! Regards, Larry

--- On Thu, 1/14/10, Lisa Knowles  wrote:


From: Lisa Knowles 
Subject: CS>asthma
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Thursday, January 14, 2010, 8:30 AM




Hi Everyone,  I'm new here and am interested in hearing from anyone who has 
successfully (or not) treated their asthma using CS and/or DMSO.
 
I just started nebulizing CS and lobelia extract a few days ago.
 
I'd love to hear what protocols people have tried.
 
Thanks! Lisa Marie



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Re: CS>Asthma

[Clayton Family]

there is some research... back in the 90's, but the docs seem to have ignored 
it.

I found it when I was researching "allergic fungal sinusitis"- there was a doc 
at Mayo that did the research and found out that many of the patients that had 
sinus surgery had fungal infections that had invaded the bone/cartilage they 
had taken out. He then used antifungals for the sinusitis, which works pretty 
well. After returning to Germany he continued the practice with his patients 
there, and discovered that those that also had asthma, had it clear up using 
the antifungals. He went on to do more research into the fungal cause of asthma.

But the real way I know it is because the diflucan got rid of my asthma, when I 
coincidentally was having trouble breathing on the day I took it.

Now I use the cs, and it works very well.

Kathryn

On Dec 31, 2009, at 6:30 AM, kmartjo...@aol.com wrote:

> How do you know that??
>  
> In a message dated 12/30/2009 3:09:14 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
> clay...@skypoint.com writes:
> When I  get a little asthma, I drink a bit of cs and that usually gets rid of 
> it.
> 
> Lots of asthma is caused by fungal infections.
> 
> On Dec 24, 2009, at 10:05 AM, kmartjo...@aol.com wrote:
> 
>> How many people are taking cs for asthma and how are you taking it ? What 
>> success are you having
>> 
>> 
>> 

Re: CS>Asthma

[kmartjoppa]

How do you know that??
 
 
In a message dated 12/30/2009 3:09:14 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
clay...@skypoint.com writes:

When I  get a little asthma, I drink a bit of cs and that usually gets rid 
of  it.  


Lots of asthma is caused by fungal infections.


On Dec 24, 2009, at 10:05 AM, _kmartjo...@aol.com_ 
(mailto:kmartjo...@aol.com)  wrote:



How many people are taking cs for asthma and how are you taking it  ? What 
success are you having

Re: CS>Asthma

[Clayton Family]

When I  get a little asthma, I drink a bit of cs and that usually gets rid of 
it.

Lots of asthma is caused by fungal infections.

On Dec 24, 2009, at 10:05 AM, kmartjo...@aol.com wrote:

> How many people are taking cs for asthma and how are you taking it ? What 
> success are you having
> 
> 
> 

Re: CS>asthma

[mborgert]

Shirley,
Great site!
I have a 96 yr old friend who was visited by a home care nurse, the nurse was immediately alarmed by the "looks" of her and immediately hustled her into her car and drove another 30 minutes to a differant hospital to have her thyroid tested.  She was so low the doctor was very concerned.
I must note that she was constantly being tested here in this town near our own hospital, about 10 minutes away, by her doctor and always  came up negative. 
 
-- Original message from Shirley Reed : --     If you do a google on "dr. derry""iodine" you may find that his asthma patients had good success with thyroid supplements, which makes one think that iodine supplementation, which allows the thyroid gland to function much better, just might decrease asthma as well.   Like CS, iodine seems to help everything.   pj

Re: CS>Asthma

[John E. Stevens]

For the last 5 - 6 (maybe longer) years of my Aunt's life, I controlled her
asthma with CS daily - not much maybe 2 - 3 shots (ounces) over the course
of the day.  Morning, noon and just before retiring - 1 oz each time.  She
died when she was 94 9/10's...  almost 95 - had asthma since she was 25.  I
controlled her atrial fibrillation with 200 mg of CoQ10.  I used Dr. John
Christopher's Hawthorn Berry Heart Syrup to control her congestive heart
failure - it worked amazingly well - until she ended up in the hospital and
I couldn't get it to her in time  She took several other supplements
daily, too.  In the end, she had lung cancer, too, caused by 70 years of
Prednisone use, I think - or one of the other druggie inhalers she used for
70 years.  She didn't smoke ciggies, so...

John

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>  How many people are taking cs for asthma and how are you taking it ? What
> success are you having
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RE: CS>Asthma, CS and drugs: Is there an asthma cure?

[Laura Zolman]

  Personally, I might do bothbut use a different cup on the nebulizer for 
CS ..many children grow out of asthma..I have known severalwith meds 
being used to assist this. There is so much to trigger in our homes and our 
enviroment...I believe that is why more are having asthma..but can out grow it 
as they body overcomes the triggers.

 

 I have used CS in an nebulizer for a small child and saw remarkable 
results.(as well as for diaper rash). The child continued her meds as the doc 
wanted..but CS was used when breathing seemed difficult.

 

.as well has I have used it on myself...I do not have asthma...but I have used 
it to counter allergy issues.

 

 I have also used it on my dog(nebulizer with CS)..who got into mold and 
affected her lungs and respitory system..

 

  It is just what you are comfortable to do...how much do you want to do meds 
or how much do you want to try CS in the nebulizer...or do both.


 

There is natural anti inflamitories that can be used to counter the inflamation 
of the respector system.

 

 
 
 
 
 







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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 08:42:04 -0800







I gave my daughter alternating treatments with CS and the asthma steroids and 
broncodilators and she did fine.  However, I would like to know if anyone has 
thoughts on this as well – whether it’s really ok to do that or not!
 
My daughter ended up in the hospital again Wednesday night because she was in 
so much pain from breathing.  We got home Friday afternoon.  I hate taking her 
to the hospital for an asthma attack!  If anyone knows a cure, please let me 
know!  She’s only 3 years old and has had 8 asthma attacks in the last 14 
months, 4 of which sent her to the hospital.  She doesn’t need an inhaler daily 
– she has acute severe attacks caused by triggers (dogs and fall/spring pollens 
seem to be the big ones).  My husband and I are very much tired of this and 
want to fix the underlying problem!  I give her Vit C, B-complex, D3 and CS 
daily, but I know it can take (seemingly) forever for supplements to work.
 
I saw the posts on enzymes and am wondering if that would be ok to give to a 3 
year old.
 
I’d appreciate anyone’s input on this!  I just want to stop these asthma 
attacks!
Gina
 




From: Deborah Gerard [mailto:devorah...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 7:14 AM
To: cs
Subject: CS>Asthma, CS and drugs
 


Hi folks,

I have met someone who has a child who is on steroid's for asthma. They have a 
nebulizer. What are the rules for giving someone cs when they are on different 
kinds of drugs and inhalers? Is it okay to take cs when someone is on 
medications? 

Thanks much in advance,

debbie
  

Re: CS>Asthma, CS and drugs: Is there an asthma cure?

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Hi Gina, have you looked at Doctor Wongs website, or Enzyme.stuff  ?  There is 
a mile of information on these sites and also links to other sites as well.  
Good luck.  dee

On 15 Nov 2009, at 16:42, Gina Moore wrote:

> I gave my daughter alternating treatments with CS and the asthma steroids and 
> broncodilators and she did fine.  However, I would like to know if anyone has 
> thoughts on this as well – whether it’s really ok to do that or not!
>  
> My daughter ended up in the hospital again Wednesday night because she was in 
> so much pain from breathing.  We got home Friday afternoon.  I hate taking 
> her to the hospital for an asthma attack!  If anyone knows a cure, please let 
> me know!  She’s only 3 years old and has had 8 asthma attacks in the last 14 
> months, 4 of which sent her to the hospital.  She doesn’t need an inhaler 
> daily – she has acute severe attacks caused by triggers (dogs and fall/spring 
> pollens seem to be the big ones).  My husband and I are very much tired of 
> this and want to fix the underlying problem!  I give her Vit C, B-complex, D3 
> and CS daily, but I know it can take (seemingly) forever for supplements to 
> work.
>  
> I saw the posts on enzymes and am wondering if that would be ok to give to a 
> 3 year old.
>  
> I’d appreciate anyone’s input on this!  I just want to stop these asthma 
> attacks!
> Gina
>  

RE: CS>Asthma, CS and drugs: Is there an asthma cure?

[Gina Moore]

I gave my daughter alternating treatments with CS and the asthma steroids
and broncodilators and she did fine.  However, I would like to know if
anyone has thoughts on this as well - whether it's really ok to do that or
not!

 

My daughter ended up in the hospital again Wednesday night because she was
in so much pain from breathing.  We got home Friday afternoon.  I hate
taking her to the hospital for an asthma attack!  If anyone knows a cure,
please let me know!  She's only 3 years old and has had 8 asthma attacks in
the last 14 months, 4 of which sent her to the hospital.  She doesn't need
an inhaler daily - she has acute severe attacks caused by triggers (dogs and
fall/spring pollens seem to be the big ones).  My husband and I are very
much tired of this and want to fix the underlying problem!  I give her Vit
C, B-complex, D3 and CS daily, but I know it can take (seemingly) forever
for supplements to work.

 

I saw the posts on enzymes and am wondering if that would be ok to give to a
3 year old.

 

I'd appreciate anyone's input on this!  I just want to stop these asthma
attacks!

Gina

 

  _  

From: Deborah Gerard [mailto:devorah...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 7:14 AM
To: cs
Subject: CS>Asthma, CS and drugs

 

Hi folks,

I have met someone who has a child who is on steroid's for asthma. They have
a nebulizer. What are the rules for giving someone cs when they are on
different kinds of drugs and inhalers? Is it okay to take cs when someone is
on medications? 

Thanks much in advance,

debbie

 

Re: CS>Asthma: alternative approach

[ccdirectt]

Curezone has a Asthma forum you should go through.
http://curezone.com/forums/f.asp?f=57




 

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Re: CS>Asthma: alternative approach

[Deborah Gerard]

Has anyone tried this stufflike what it tastes like or do you get a die off 
with it...my 75 year old mother and my ten year old grandchild both have 
asthma. This would be perfect for mom she can't take pillsthanks much debbie

ccdirectt  wrote:  
(baobab bark)( Yamoa ).Its trees in Africa thats
good for asthma & other stuff.Hulda Clark says asthma
is caused from parasites.
http://www.yamoafactory.com/about.htm
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=MTe&q=african+tree+bark+%28asthma%29&btnG=Search




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[ccdirectt]

  (baobab bark)( Yamoa ).Its  trees in Africa thats
good for asthma & other stuff.Hulda Clark says asthma
is caused from parasites.
http://www.yamoafactory.com/about.htm
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=MTe&q=african+tree+bark+%28asthma%29&btnG=Search


 

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Re: CS>Asthma: alternative approach/ Duncan

[M. G. Devour]

Virginia writes:
> Eeee...Duncan...have mercy on this old lady...I do not
> understand the words you are using...I do understand about Leaky
> Gut...have that problem.
> 
> What is the approach with what b vitamin?

 You got what you deserved there, Duncan!  

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Re: CS>Asthma: alternative approach/ Duncan

[Vwolf21]

In a message dated 3/19/2007 3:00:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
duncanc...@shaw.ca writes:

Asthma is associated in the research with oxidative stress caused 
by low glutathione, and when you elevate glutathione with 
selenium and undenatured whey and take other antioxidants, asthma 
goes away. This I think is the correct orthomolecular approach in 
addition to reducing casual toxin exposure, and curb toxin 
creation in the gut by dysbiosis, which causes leaky gut, a huge 
asthma aggravator. The approach, with a b-vitamin, has also 
worked on COPD.

Duncan
Eeee...Duncan...have mercy on this old lady...I do not understand the 
words you are using...I do understand about Leaky Gut...have that problem.
 
What is the approach with what b vitamin?
 
I take what I thought was a good multi B by Solgar...V.



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> Richard wrote:
> 
> >>am looking for info on cs and any benefits for asthma sufferers<<
> 
> For asthma there is a Reflexological approach, which is not really 
difficult 
> to do.
> 
> Anyone interested, please write to
> 
> luzy...@une.net.co
> 
> Faith and Luz,
> alternative Health practitioners,
> licensed, committed Refexology therapists.
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Re: CS>Asthma: alternative approach

[Duncan Crow]

Asthma is associated in the research with oxidative stress caused 
by low glutathione, and when you elevate glutathione with 
selenium and undenatured whey and take other antioxidants, asthma 
goes away. This I think is the correct orthomolecular approach in 
addition to reducing casual toxin exposure, and curb toxin 
creation in the gut by dysbiosis, which causes leaky gut, a huge 
asthma aggravator. The approach, with a b-vitamin, has also 
worked on COPD.

Duncan

On 19 Mar 2007 at 9:08, Faith Saint Francis wrote:

> Richard wrote:
> 
> >>am looking for info on cs and any benefits for asthma sufferers<<
> 
> For asthma there is a Reflexological approach, which is not really difficult 
> to do.
> 
> Anyone interested, please write to
> 
> luzy...@une.net.co
> 
> Faith and Luz,
> alternative Health practitioners,
> licensed, committed Refexology therapists.
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Re: CS>asthma

[Richard]

Hi Terry, ( or anyone else ) am looking for info on cs and any  
benefits for asthma sufferers - many thanks - Richard

On 26/01/2007, at 18:30, Terry Chamberlin wrote:


I have had several reports from clients of 1 - 3 day
successes using CS to fight shingles. Most of these
clients drank CS generously (1-oz, 3xday or more).
Some applied CS externally, some didn't. One client
reported overnight results with the CS Salve that I
sell to HF stores here in Canada.

Since shingles is a herpes virus (herpes zoster), it
responds the same as herpes simplex I & II (cold sores
& VD), which CS is very effective against.

In addition to CS, 8-10,000 mg/day of the amino acid
lysine will nearly always clear up any member of the
herpes family in short order.

It is also imperative that a person fighting any
herpes virus adjust their diet to omit (until the
sores are gone) all nuts, beans and seeds. These items
contain high levels of arginine, an amino acid that
makes the herpes virus flourish.

A regime such I have outlined here will, except in the
most stubborn cases, produce very positive results
within a week.

Terry Chamberlin

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Re: CS>Asthma and CS, again.

[twll56]

Look into Beeswax candles
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  Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 6:11 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>Asthma and CS, again.


  In a message dated 8/2/2005 9:30:31 PM Central Standard Time, 
wen...@tuxnightclub.com writes:
We've
had hair analysis on the kids done and they are low in many things and
really low of course in zinc and magnesium despite what I thought to be
a good diet, free of junk, sugar, and 95% processed food free.
  Hi Wendy.  Where did you have the hair analysis done? MA

Re: CS>asthma and CS, again/OZONE & IONS

[Ode Coyote]

 A wick type "swamp" vaporizer will not work.  It functions by evaporation similar to a steam maker.
If there is a little rotor that "throws" water into the air..it'll  work.

Most ionic CS will 'probably' make it through the filter on an ultrasonic, but it's really easy to remove and not needed when using distilled water.  Why chance removing goodies if you don't have to?

My filter got all clogged up when using well water.  I took it apart to clean it and found a bunch of little plastic balls.  Possibly an ion exchange resin coating on them?  EIS might not make it through something like that.

An activated carbon filter will likely remove a lot of the silver. They do remove about 80% of the dissolved solids from my well water dropping the conductivity of it considerably.

I now use filtered rain water off the tin roof spiked with CS to sterilize it...and no filter [I broke the filter]
When you heat with wood, you need a good humidifier...and it rains a lot in winter around here.
I've tried many and the Relion Ultrasonic is, by far, the best one  yet.

Ode

At 11:24 AM 8/9/2005 EDT, you wrote: 

I bought a "cool-mist" vaporizer at Big Lots for $7.99, intending to use it to breathe CS mist.  I figured that as long as the unit did not heat the CS, making steam and separating the H2O from the Ag, that this would work.  Is that correct?  Why remove filter, if using ionic silver?  Is it because the silver might react with it, and not get into the air?  If any cool mist vaporizer will work, then these can be purchased at any drug store for under $20.


Jill


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Re: CS>Asthma and EFT

[Jill]

So would I please, if not too much trouble. My daughter has bad asthma and 
hayfever.
Many thanks
Jill

jilly...@gmail.com


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From: "Bruce Anderson" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 2:11 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Asthma and EFT


I, also, would appreciate a copy of that file.

Thanks;
Bruce

Terry Chamberlin wrote:

>Nenah Sylver said,
>"Ken,
>If you go to http://www.emofree.com you can download a
>manual for FREE and this meridian tapping technique
>might help your daughter and your whole family."
>
>Ken, EFT has been amazingly effective with asthma. EFT
>tapping can be done on the child and even for the
>child (on yourself in her place), with good results. I
>have a tutorial file I can email you that shows you
>how to do EFT. It's clearer than the instructions in
>the emofree manual. Just let me know if you want it.
>
>Just recently, I used EFT for a growing health issue
>that frequently appears after middle age: frequent
>nighttime trips to the bathroom. On the FIRST day I
>tapped about it, just before bed, instead of getting
>up every two hours, I slept all night. Coincidence,
>obviously, my mind whispered to me. But it's been
>nearly a week now, and I am sleeping all night each
>night. Haven't done that in a long time.
>
>I used EFT with a young lady (grand-daughter of a
>client) who was in the middle of some kind of mental
>breakdown - she had dropped out of college, slept 18
>hours/day, and cried every minute she was conscious. I
>met with her 5 Saturdays in a row, doing EFT with her.
>At the end of that time, she went back to college
>radiant. Amazing.
>
>Terry Chamberlin
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: CS>Asthma and EFT

[Gail Evans]

Terry,

I would like a copy of the file also. Thanks!
Gail
www.expertembroidery.com
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- Original Message - 
From: "Terry Chamberlin" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 9:51 AM
Subject: CS>Asthma and EFT


> Nenah Sylver said,
> "Ken,
> If you go to http://www.emofree.com you can download a
> manual for FREE and this meridian tapping technique
> might help your daughter and your whole family."
> 
> Ken, EFT has been amazingly effective with asthma. EFT
> tapping can be done on the child and even for the
> child (on yourself in her place), with good results. I
> have a tutorial file I can email you that shows you
> how to do EFT. It's clearer than the instructions in
> the emofree manual. Just let me know if you want it.


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Re: CS>Asthma and EFT

[Bruce Anderson]

I, also, would appreciate a copy of that file.  

Thanks;
Bruce

Terry Chamberlin wrote:


Nenah Sylver said,
"Ken,
If you go to http://www.emofree.com you can download a
manual for FREE and this meridian tapping technique
might help your daughter and your whole family."

Ken, EFT has been amazingly effective with asthma. EFT
tapping can be done on the child and even for the
child (on yourself in her place), with good results. I
have a tutorial file I can email you that shows you
how to do EFT. It's clearer than the instructions in
the emofree manual. Just let me know if you want it.

Just recently, I used EFT for a growing health issue
that frequently appears after middle age: frequent
nighttime trips to the bathroom. On the FIRST day I
tapped about it, just before bed, instead of getting
up every two hours, I slept all night. Coincidence,
obviously, my mind whispered to me. But it's been
nearly a week now, and I am sleeping all night each
night. Haven't done that in a long time.

I used EFT with a young lady (grand-daughter of a
client) who was in the middle of some kind of mental
breakdown - she had dropped out of college, slept 18
hours/day, and cried every minute she was conscious. I
met with her 5 Saturdays in a row, doing EFT with her.
At the end of that time, she went back to college
radiant. Amazing.

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Re: CS>Asthma and CS, again.

[twllLL]

Try this site & consider getting the water cure book
http://watercure.com
He uses water & salt to cure Asthma & one of the things he suggest 
asthmatics stay away
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Re: CS>asthma and CS, again/OZONE & IONS

[Duncan Crow]

> I bought a "cool-mist" vaporizer at Big Lots for $7.99, intending to
> use it to breathe CS mist.  I figured that as long as the unit did not
> heat the CS, making steam and separating the H2O from the Ag, that
> this would work.  Is that correct?  Why remove filter, if using ionic
> silver?  Is it because the silver might react with it, and not get
> into the air?  If any cool mist vaporizer will work, then these can be
> purchased at any drug store for under $20.
> 
> Jill
> 

This was the eaxct method we used several times to get rid of a nasty 
100 day flu that came through the region two years in a row. They 
drank colloidal silver and breathed it directly from the cool mist 
unit. We all used primarily ionic CS made with the silver maker that 
uses a microwave oven circuit.

Long story short - no failures, and it cured the flu in less than two 
days each time. 

Duncan


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Re: CS>Asthma and EFT

[Christine Carleton]

Protection is a step of awareness of the 'blocked energies'.  However,
protection sets up a mind set of duality.  Perhaps if we could escape from
the media overlay of 'Your with Us or Your 'agin Us' mentality, and started
to see that all is in balance, then we could ask the right questions to get
the lessons and move on. Fear is wonderful 'dumbing down' tool.  It's energy
blockage which limits the consciousness.  Often our most precious sacrosanct
beliefs get us into biggest 'do-do's' which create most physical, emotion
and mental pain places.  Some energy medicines build and extend the
prevailing electrical grids around our bodies, and our awareness of choices
increases.  Good water, (CS) aids conductivity of electrical impulses
increasing consciousness.
Christine

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May I please have your tutorial file also?  Will EFT work on bladder
inflammation?  Will it work on parasites?--no information on the emofree
website on these.  

I have not found information on the emofree website on the use of EFT to
remove the influence of Dark Force energies; it should work, because
chiropractic techniques have a noticeable effect.  Does anyone have any
information or experience in this regard?  Protection against the Dark Force
energies is an extremely significant component of overall health and well
being.  If there is any interest in this sensitive topic, I will share some
of the valuable information I have.  It would definitely need to be moved to
the OT list, however.

Thanks,

Jill

Re: CS>Asthma and EFT

[Christine Carleton]

This is common place in energy medicine as people work to decrease pain thus
increasing their frequency and consciousness.  We acquired pain by
misperceptions/misalignment of truth.  When balanced, one's gates of
awareness to truth open and the pain will dissolve.  It's subtle
frequencies.

Good food and water assist the process.

Addiction to junk foods is often reflective of 'eractic' though processes
which attract lower energies - eg. drugs - street and pharma, alcohol,
sugar, anger, rejection, anti-biotics (Latin = anti->against, biotic->life),
abandonment,  you know them...  Don't cover them up with pain killers.  Look
directly at them. They inhibit the electrical circuitry of the meridians,
chakras, etc. which activate the exterior membranes of our cells - the brain
of the cells - Reference: Dr. B. Lipton, cellular biologist.  Book: 'The
Biology of Belief, unleashing the power of consciousness, matter and
miracles'..  Sometimes limited thinking patterns are acquired from cultural,
spiritual practices... It's all within each one of us.

YOU KNOW when you get it RIGHT.  THE PAIN LEAVES!

Consider the depth of ancient wisdom:

The thought manifests as the word
The word manifests as the deed
The deed develops into habit
And the habit hardens into character

So watch the thought
And it's ways with care
And let it sprig from love
Born out of respect for all beings
... Dharma

Christine
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To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Asthma and EFT
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In a message dated 8/9/05 10:39:03 AM Central Daylight Time,
grace1...@aol.com writes:


Protection against the Dark Force energies is an extremely significant
component of overall health and well being.


Well, I'm at least wondering what Dark Force energies are? MA

Re: CS>asthma and CS, again/OZONE & IONS

[Duncan Crow]

> You think N-A-C (N-Acetyl-Cysteine) would be useful? 

NAC would be useful as a glutathione precursor, but there are a 
couple of strong reasons that it's used in emergency situations and 
not as a daily supplement.

First, although NAC does increase cysteine delivery to the cells it's 
treated as a toxin by the body. Complexing toxic cysteine with acetic 
acid as a carrier does not render it non-toxic. That's why at decent 
doses, in adults 500 mg per dose, it does produce some toxic effects 
and doctors who promote antioxidant use decided the trade-off wasn't 
worth using it as a daily supplement.

Second, it has a very short half-life in the system, so dosing is 
frequent, on the order of every four hours, in order to avoid 
plummeting glutathione levels in between doses. This can be a 
disaster in an acute situation and also in an infection situation, as 
low glutathione actually stimulates infection.

> I heard that is a cystine containing compound, and at
> one time, it was purported to be helpful to those with
> emphysema, but then that was retracted because they
> couldn't agree on whether it really reduced mucous or
> not.

Glutathione delivered as a mist is OK for lungs, but because 
antioxidant depletion is a systemic condition I mentioned precursors 
first that would address it as such. The cold-processed whey and 
selenium is also the least expensive route, even if you also add the 
other antioxidants.
 
> I guess I can look into the selenium and vitamins. 
> She already takes a daily multivitamin, with fair
> amounts of common vitamins and minerals. It's not
> flintstones vitamins or some garbage like that, and it
> has no artificial anything in it. But I don't remember
> if it has selenium.
> 
> I've used Omega 6 Borage oil before for gum
> inflammation and I know that stuff works for
> inflammation. Do you think that would be useful?

Personally, I don't recommend omega-6 oils for anything as they 
generally promote inflammation and supplementation is usually 
superfluous anyway. It's omega-3 oils that are usually in short 
supply in the diet.

> Part of the problem to is that it is hard to get her
> to take some medicines consistently. She can't figure
> out how to swallow capsules yet, and thay would be so
> helpful if she would, because so many of the herbs,
> vitamins, etc, are just plain nasty tasting, and often
> are not concealable.

Cold-processed whey makes a nice drink a lot like a milkshake.

Duncan


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Re: CS>Asthma and EFT

[Grace1way]

Check out www.christaresources.com/protection, for more complete and 
professional information about the Dark Forces than I could give.  

Jill

Re: CS>Asthma and EFT

[Marmar845]

In a message dated 8/9/05 10:39:03 AM Central Daylight Time, 
grace1...@aol.com writes:


> Protection against the Dark Force energies is an extremely significant 
> component of overall health and well being.  

Well, I'm at least wondering what Dark Force energies are? MA

Re: CS>Asthma and EFT

[Grace1way]

May I please have your tutorial file also?  Will EFT work on bladder 
inflammation?  Will it work on parasites?--no information on the emofree 
website on 
these.  

I have not found information on the emofree website on the use of EFT to 
remove the influence of Dark Force energies; it should work, because 
chiropractic 
techniques have a noticeable effect.  Does anyone have any information or 
experience in this regard?  Protection against the Dark Force energies is an 
extremely significant component of overall health and well being.  If there is 
any 
interest in this sensitive topic, I will share some of the valuable 
information I have.  It would definitely need to be moved to the OT list, 
however.

Thanks,

Jill

Re: CS>asthma and CS, again/OZONE & IONS

[Grace1way]

I bought a "cool-mist" vaporizer at Big Lots for $7.99, intending to use it 
to breathe CS mist.  I figured that as long as the unit did not heat the CS, 
making steam and separating the H2O from the Ag, that this would work.  Is that 
correct?  Why remove filter, if using ionic silver?  Is it because the silver 
might react with it, and not get into the air?  If any cool mist vaporizer 
will work, then these can be purchased at any drug store for under $20.

Jill

Re: CS>Asthma and EFT

[Barbara]

Terry,

Will that technique work on digestive system?  Not very bad problem, just
annoying.
It it does, may I have your tutorial file also, please?
Thanks :)

Barbara



>
> Just recently, I used EFT for a growing health issue
> that frequently appears after middle age: frequent
> nighttime trips to the bathroom. On the FIRST day I
> tapped about it, just before bed, instead of getting
> up every two hours, I slept all night. Coincidence,
> obviously, my mind whispered to me. But it's been
> nearly a week now, and I am sleeping all night each
> night. Haven't done that in a long time.
>
>
> Terry Chamberlin



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Re: CS>asthma and CS, again/OZONE & IONS

[Ode Coyote]

Walmart has an ultrasonic humidifier that will do the nebulizing job for $34.
 Relion brand. [Make sure it says "ultrasonic"] Reloin has different types
too.
 Remove filter, dump in home made very cheap CS and sit over the outlet and
breath deep.
It's also the best "humidifier" I ever saw or used.

Ode
>
>Sophia was doing relatively well until this past
>month.  I'm not sure why she is getting so many more
>attacks this past month or so.  Maybe in the middle of
>the month I'll have some money to get a nebulizer.
>
>-Ken
>
>
>
>
>
>Hi Ken,
>
>My sister has a Pug who was overdosed on steroids (not
>the vet's fault), and
>has ruined his immune system.  He now has aspergillis
>in his lungs and after
>5 shots of an antibiotic of the last resort, was no
>better.  I offered to
>let her use my Multi Tech XJ-3000C, air purification
>system (ionizer, ozone,
>hepa filter, UV light, activated carbon).  One night
>and he was MUCH better
>according to my sister.  We will see.
>
>Jean
>
>** 
>> 
>> "There are alot of lawsuits out there pending
>> regarding various ozone air purification devices,
>and
>> I've reviewed reports from devestated parents who
>have
>> used such devices, whose children have apparently
>> experienced permanent lung damage from the use of
>such
>> machines. While I cannot vouch for the authenticity
>of
>> these claims, I doubt that the parents are simply
>> money-grubbing people, or FDA plants."
>> 
>> That scares me.  I think I'm going to stop using my
>> ionizers.  My little girl has for the past 36 hours
>of
>> so been coughing and wheezing and short of breath,
>and
>> the albuterol we are currently giving her
>(temporarily
>> until I get a nebulizer and some CS) is barely
>> working.  I beginning to wonder if the ionizers are
>at
>> fault. But I really don't know.  I'm going to turn
>> them off, and I'm going to tell my wife to take
>Sophia
>> to the beach for the day.  Maybe that will help
>clear
>> her up.
>> 
>> -Ken
>>
>
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Re: CS>asthma and CS, again

[sol]

I use veterinary grade DMSO as well, purchased locally, but it may very 
well be the exact same product that Jeffers sells. They also have a very 
good price on MSM. I purchase my MSM from www.msm-msm.com though, 
because so far it is the only place I have found the Opti-MSM which is 
an entirely U.S. made and sourced product. Lignisul MSM is made in the 
U.S. from ingredients from China. Lignisul is commonly found in most 
combination msm products available over the counter.


In any case for use in a nebulizer you want the pure MSM crystals, that 
sold in capsules has fillers. For my pet rabbit I use a recipe of 1 
ounce pure EIS (my homemade, usually about 15 ppm), 1/2 teaspoon of pure 
MSM, and 5 drops DMSO. For us adult humans I could probably use more 
DMSO, but this mix works well even for us, and it is safe for my rabbit. 
I have used it as nose drops and as ear drops, too. For eye drops, I use 
one ounce of my EIS, with one dropperful of DMSO. MSM makes my eyes 
sting so I don't use it in eye drops.


Did you look for a nebulizer at ebay? Several people have said they got 
good ones there. I have an omron comp-air elite which I paid $65 for. 
Could have gotten it cheaper online, but I needed it ASAP.

sol


kent wrote:


I got my DMSO from Jeffers equine.  I believe it was about $27 US for a
gallon.
Regards
Kent

-Original Message-
From: Ken & Nancy Bagwell [mailto:kenancy2...@yahoo.com] 


Later this month, I will try to get a nebulizer and
some CS/dmso.

However, I still have yet to hear from anyone re my
question about DMSO or MSM source.  Is there a best
cheap source to get them from together?

Does the MSM have to be pharmaceutical grade or
something, since it's going to very sensitive lungs of
my little 2 and 1/2 year old Sophia?

-Ken Bagwell

 




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Re: CS>asthma and CS, again/OZONE & IONS

[Duncan Crow]

> My little girl has for the past 36 hours of
> so been coughing and wheezing and short of breath, and
> the albuterol we are currently giving her (temporarily
> until I get a nebulizer and some CS) is barely
> working.  I beginning to wonder if the ionizers are at
> fault. 
> -Ken

Ken, before you blame the ionizer, which has not been linked to 
problems, take look at a probable antioxidant deficiency. The lungs 
are the third biggest users of the antioxidant enzyme glutathione 
after the liver and kidneys. 

The rate-limiting factor in glutathione production is cysteine, 
actually as cysteine-containing amino acid peptides, not as a free-
form amino acid. The peptides happen to be in short supply in the 
diet, as is drinking water selenium in most areas. Selenium is used 
to make one form of glutathione, and it is low or absent in many 
areas and it's also depleted by arsenic in drinking water, a 
combination that can easily exacerbate a depleted antioxidant pool.

The proof is in the pudding though, and I've seen people who were on 
oxygen for COPD for example not require it anymore. They reduced the 
irritating toxins, thus the mucous problem and inflammation, with 
cold-processed whey, selenium, and the antioxidant vitamins C, E, A, 
and a b-complex. Further gains could probably have been made with 
other antioxidants and cod-liver oil, an antiinflammatory.

The other thing to look up is insufficient nitric oxide production in 
the lungs. It is important for microcapilliary circulation and when 
there's enough you get less swelling. There's probably enough 
arginine in the cold-processed whey but some people get good results 
with Noni. Although I no longer sell Noni products I think a lot of 
Noni and Nitric Oxide science is still on my web site.

Duncan


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RE: CS>asthma and CS, again

[kent]

I got my DMSO from Jeffers equine.  I believe it was about $27 US for a
gallon.
Regards
Kent

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To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>asthma and CS, again

Thanks everyone for the ideas.  I'm especially
interest in the salt lamps, too.  I'm using 3 ionizers
in the house now, but I turned them all off because
Garnet said the ozone was dangerous.

Later this month, I will try to get a nebulizer and
some CS/dmso.

However, I still have yet to hear from anyone re my
question about DMSO or MSM source.  Is there a best
cheap source to get them from together?

Does the MSM have to be pharmaceutical grade or
something, since it's going to very sensitive lungs of
my little 2 and 1/2 year old Sophia?

-Ken Bagwell

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Re: CS>asthma and CS, again/OZONE & IONS

[Nenah Sylver]

Ken,
If you go to http://www.emofree.com/  you can download a manual for FREE and 
this meridian tapping technique might help your daughter and your whole 
family.


Best,
Nenah


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To: 
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 2:53 PM
Subject: CS>asthma and CS, again/OZONE & IONS



Hi Jean,

I hear you, and I know there are people who have
apparently been really helped by devices like these.
But I honestly do not know what the cause is for my
little girl's asthma problem at this time. For the
past few months she has taken albuterol only
infrequently, but in the past couple months, maybe
once a week.  For some reason, the past day and a
half, something is making it to where we are having to
give it to her every four hours because she is short
of breath, wheezing and mucousy.  I do not yet know
much about steroids or how badly they can affect the
immune system or not.  The choice I'm faced with right
now is whether I want her to be able to breathe or
whether she "might" get some immune system damage in
the future.  My hope is that some combination of
nebulizer and CS will help her, but I do not yet have
money for nebulizer or CS or MSM.  I spent around $130
or so for 3 of these air ionizers because I thought it
might help my little girl's coughing problem several
months back. She had constant mucous from post nasal
drip and we never did figure out what was causing
that. I just bought these air purifiers in hopes that
it might help, and it apparently did. She stopped
coughing all the time.  But now she seems to have
asthma.  Is that from something else in the air, or
the ozone generation? I really do not know!  I keep
throwing money at her health problems, but I do not
know the source of them. And everytime a possible
health-positive cure is mentioned, it's costing me $50
here, $100 there, $200 over there, but in the end, it
still is very hard to figure out because she's only 2
and 1/2 and cannot tell me really what is wrong. So I
have to guessimate.  All her pediatrician wanted to do
is put her on albuterol.  I'm not going to put her on
albuterol, but I can't afford another kind of
practitioner right now, since I'm barely making it
from check to check.  Hopefully that will change soon,
but not right now.

Sophia was doing relatively well until this past
month.  I'm not sure why she is getting so many more
attacks this past month or so.  Maybe in the middle of
the month I'll have some money to get a nebulizer.

-Ken




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Re: CS>asthma and CS, again/OZONE & IONS

[Duncan Crow]

> [How is that different from the stainless steel plates in
> other ionizers?  I never detected any heat in one of those either. 
>  How does
> an Aranizer compare to any other good air ionizer in both ozone and
> NOx levels? 

An Aranizer is an ozone generator, right? ...Not an air ionizer. 
There is no comparison except that they both use voltage.

> Arinizer specs. Heck, 'everyones' specs are hard to find!  
"Residual
> effect"-oxidized mucus memebrane proteins you didn't need and cough
> up/ expel? Oxidized into what? Doesn't matter if it gets expelled,
> right?]

Actually, the antioxidant levels in the lungs, particularly 
glutathione, are there to stop the mucous membranes from oxidising. 
The lungs are the third biggest users of glutathione after the liver 
and the kidneys. Peer-reviewed data on glutathione is here:
http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/GSH_medline.html

> O5 a pentatomic allotropic molecule of oxygen.

The story about O5 being somehow "better" than O3 doesn't reflect the 
reality that only the last oxygen molecule in the chain oxidizes 
anything. In the case of O5, the balance, being O4, is two O2 
molecules, just oxygen.

>  Just how rare and special is that..beyond all the sales hype?
> 
>  Do other ionizers make them?

Just hype, and if ozone generators make them it doesn't matter.

Duncan (an ozone therapist)


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Re: CS>asthma and CS, again/OZONE & IONS

[Jonathan B. Britten]

Musical drills -- an innovation of symphonic proportions!   The Chicago 
Industrial Orchestra will be interested!




On Sunday, Aug 7, 2005, at 08:38 Asia/Tokyo, Ode Coyote wrote:

My drills don't corrode inside, but the chords do fall apart. 



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Re: CS>asthma and CS, again/OZONE & IONS

[Ode Coyote]

  http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:_i0P3n_gYgMJ:www.hcl-intl.cc/products/bulletins/17227.pdf+Aranizer+ozone+level&hl=en

Ozone is destroyed when it contacts mucus membranes.
[OK, so maybe ozone doesn't harm lung 'tissue' because it never reaches it. But it is destroyed by oxidizing the membrane. Ozone 'burns' organic molecules..which of course, incudes bacterium. Mucus membrane is pretty much expendable and expellabe ..cough..and high enough destruction rates will probably make the body produce more mucus. I can see why that could be considered an 'irritant' should there be a high concentration of ozone. I can see how the right amount could clear and sterilize the lungs and how too much could conjest them again.  Meanwhile, bacterium etc in the mucus suffers the same fate as the mucus...could be very a good therapeutic thing if controlled properly.]


[Oxides of nitrogen.] These are usually generated when Ozone is made. [with electric sparking, plasma etc. Apparently there is a difference between hot and cold plasma?] The NOx combines with water vapor (could be moisture in the nose, eyes and lungs) and creates dilute forms of Nitric and Nitrous acids which are damaging to human tissue.
[OK cool, I'll buy that. Seeing that brush arcing in electrical motors produce NOXs and ozone and the air around here is always very humid..I would expect to see a lot of nitric acid produced. If one has ever put steel in nitric acid, one would know how violently it reacts..one very quick way to shorten a shotgun barrel or get into a steel safe. My drills don't corrode inside, but the chords do fall apart. I assume it's the Ozone that eats them alive.  Rubber is pretty well resistant to nitric acid.  Rubber gloves..and a gas mask.. should be worn when making that 'sawed off']

It is the NOx that causes the problems with Ozone. ARANIZER™ units never produce NOx because they employ
the use of cold dense plasma generators that have no electrical sparking. The more powerful natural mica dielectrics  standard in these units generates high voltages without electrical sparking. The plasma is warm (below 104 F) so maximum output of ARAN™ is achieved. Again, the only residual effect after oxidation with this ARAN™ is the oxidized substance and oxygen.
[How is that different from the stainless steel plates in other ionizers?  I never detected any heat in one of those either. If my Trion whole house filter does spark , it stops working altogether and I have to straighten the plates so it quits sparking...after cleaning it with a 15,000 psi pressure washer..don't do that.  Mica IS a very interesting substance..very heat resistant for one, used on furnace windows and has electronic properties similar to quarts in many ways, used in the old vaccuum tubes and electron guns?   How does an Aranizer compare to any other good air ionizer in both ozone and NOx levels? ..looking for some hard to find..for some reason.. Arinizer specs. Heck, 'everyones' specs are hard to find!  "Residual effect"-oxidized mucus memebrane proteins you didn't need and cough up/ expel? Oxidized into what? Doesn't matter if it gets expelled, right?]

O5 a pentatomic allotropic molecule of oxygen.
Just how rare and special is that..beyond all the sales hype?
Do other ionizers make them?
I would appear that sales hype, regardless of brand, outnumbers real info 1000 to 1.
"Based on Tesla technology"?  Phuut. You could say that about everything that's high voltage, has anything to do with AC current and is man made. If you plug it into the wall, it's Tesla.

PS  I do like my whole house Trion and I don't "worry" about ozone OR acid in the air.
It's not like it's all not there anyhow in this industrialized consumer world...not to mention volcanoes and lightening storms.
What, me, a welder, worry?  Nah, strike that arc!
I rather expect my lungs to last as long as I do, ey?
Besides..I'd rather NOT get too old...
If 50 feels like this compared to 30 [Not bad but way different], I don't even want to imagine what 90 feels like.
"Great shape" for an 80 yr old...well, my stoic ole Pop can still move around and gets a lot done, but he makes some faces while he's at it. [I'm just 'beginning' to understand what they mean]

Ode


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Re: CS>asthma and CS, again/OZONE & IONS

[Jason]

Hi all:

To help throw some balance on the issue, I'd like to make a few 
comments, and provide a few links.


There are those who experience permanent lung damage from ambient  
ozone.  I believe that a sensitivity to pure, low concentration ozone is 
likely pretty rare, but it does exist.


I certainly don't want to argue with happy customers of Aranizer 
products.  Alot of people are happy with their ambient ozone-generating 
air purifiers. 

However, I don't believe in using devices such as these for home air 
purification, and here's why:


If you take a standard plastic, and expose it to ozone, at first, the 
plastic is going to resist oxidation.  Slowly, over a period of weeks 
and months, the plastic begins to degrade.


On one hand, these ozone people herald the benefits of breathing 
ozonated oils, and then on the other, they state that ozone renders all 
contaminants inert, deactivating by both oxidation and via ionization.


Well, which is it?  *smiles*

It takes just about two weeks of 5% ozone constantly bubbled through oil 
to completely oxidate it.  While the ozone is reacting with the oil, 
literally burning it, it outgasses.  The gas, comprised of a total of 
three primary peroxides, is breathed into the lungs.


The final compound, when the oil has been completely burned, is 
C10H13O3.  Contrary to popular opinion, there is no ozone in this 
compound.  There is no O3 bond, even though there are three molecules of 
oxygen.  However, in ozonated OIL, O3 becomes trapped IN the oil.


Now, these peroxides that people breath contained stabilized oxygen, but 
no ozone.  In fact, Nikola Tesla demonstrated great benefits to OZOL; 
however, he also only made his oil, or Glycozone, while subjecting his 
process to a magnetic field.


So, in this case, when one is using ozone to ozonate oils, the ozone 
doesn't degrade the substance right away, nor does the activated oxygen 
act via ionization to render the substance inert.  It puts a gas in the 
air.  In this case, the gas is quite beneficial.


No such luck with plastics.

As plastics degrade, the gas put into the air smells like some kind of 
petrochemical; it is NOT pleasant.  You'd only know this if you had 
access to a high capacity ozone general and did experiments; pumping 
ozone through plastic over a period of time, and studying the effects.


Therefore, one really does not want any significant amount of ozone 
pumping through the air on an ongoing basis in an environment that is 
not clean, where people are going to be present, without significant air 
flow present to rapidly disperse the ozone.


http://www.cal-iaq.org/o3_fact.htm

There are alot of lawsuits out there pending regarding various ozone air 
purification devices, and I've reviewed reports from devestated parents 
who have used such devices, whose children have apparently experienced 
permanent lung damage from the use of such machines.  While I cannot 
vouch for the authenticity of these claims, I doubt that the parents are 
simply money-grubbing people, or FDA plants.


I'm also very dissapointed in the so-called air purification companies.  
Ozone can be safely and effectively employed, yet I cannot find a device 
that absolutely does so.


For those who like to build their own devices and play with technology:

One would start with a thick carbon filter at the intake.  The carbon 
acts as an ozone destructor, so that you don't start to damage your unit 
by sucking ozone right back into the unit.  There are VERY few 
substances on planet Earth that are ozone resistant.  Two of the most 
predominant substances are teflon and silicon.


The second inline filter should be a high quality particulate filter, 
such as a good HEPA filter.  After the HEPA filter, the air should be 
pumped into an ozone resistant chamber, where the ozone generator should 
be active.  Cold spark, UV, or plasma generators could be used.The 
longer the chamber space, the better.  The ozone, having actually 
cleaned the air, is no longer needed.  Run the ozonated air through a 
final carbon filter.


This will produce clean air  Which is different than those who 
actually desire to UTILIZE ambient ozone for health purposes, which 
should be done only as a personal choice with proper understanding and 
personal experimentation...


How badly CAN ozone contaminate an environment?

This is not really known, and is environment-specific.

However, consider:

I took a standard plastic hose, and subjected it to 7% ozone for a long 
period of time.  When the hose began to degrade, I set it aside for a 
few weeks.


Then, I took a gallon of distilled water, and measured its purity.  This 
was distilled water that I made, measuring 0.3 on a Hanna PWT meter.


I took the hose, and attached it to an ozone generator, and pumped ozone 
into the water for 20 seconds.  The purity reading went from 0.3 to 
about 180.0 in 20 seconds.  For those who may not know, pure ozone will 
not effect the purity of water 

Re: CS>asthma and CS, again/OZONE & IONS

[Connie Howard]

> Nenah, good morning!

Thanks for sharing your story it helps knowing that these machines have
worked in similir conditions  I'm trying to decide which machine I
will need  I was hoping to put one in the basement and be able to
reap the benefits in the basement and also address some condition
upstairs in the living area.  Not sure if that is an option at the point.

connie




On Sat, 6 Aug 2005 08:29:33 -0400 "Nenah Sylver" 
writes:
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Connie Howard" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 11:46 PM
> Subject: Re: CS>asthma and CS, again/OZONE & IONS
> 
> 
> >
> > Sharon...
> >
> > Do you think that your Ozone machine would work in my basement?  
> My house
> > is 100 years old and has gone through a lot of moisture being 
> dumped
> > under the house; that couple with Racoons, cats, skunks, etc the 
> smell
> > coming from the basement is not very good.  My house is 850 sq ft 
> with a
> > partial basement below half of it.  The other part is crawal 
> space.  If
> > it would would I need a certain model to handle that space?
> >
> > thanks
> >
> > connie
> 
> Connie,
> I'm not Sharon, but would like to share my own experience with using 
> an 
> Aranizer in a similar situation.
> 
> For six years until recently, I lived in a house with a crawl space 
> that was 
> very damp -- so damp, in fact, that black mold was growing in the 
> house! 
> Leaving an Aranizer running in the crawl space 24/7 was very 
> helpful. It was 
> also a blessing to have one running INSIDE the house. We finally got 
> the 
> landlords to put a drainpipe in the gutter so the water ran off the 
> roof to 
> the ground away from the house when it rained, instead of pouring 
> directly 
> under the house in the crawl space.
> 
> For you, running a dehumidifier in the finished portion of the 
> basement 
> could be really helpful. So would running the Aranizers. If there's 
> no mold 
> in your house, all this can help prevent it from growing. If there's 
> already 
> mold growing in the walls, you will probably have to run tubes from 
> the 
> Aranizers into the walls where the mold is growing -- because even 
> though 
> the ozone is in the air in the room, it generally cannot reach the 
> inside of 
> the wall or go through the wall to get to the mold. (How I wish what 
> Garnet 
> had written, that ozone goes into sheetrock and stays there, were 
> true! Then 
> we wouldn't need to run tubes into the walls.)
> 
> By the way, a friend of mine owns a plastics factory and every time 
> I'd 
> visit him there, if the door from the inner lobby to the plastics 
> molding 
> portion of the factory we open, I'd have to run to his office 
> holding my 
> breath to avoid the fumes. He was just beginning the construction of 
> 
> prototypes of his wonderful far infrared sauna cabinet, so I was 
> visiting 
> him a lot because I was working on my sauna book; I really needed to 
> be 
> there. I worked on him for four years to install an air purification 
> system 
> in that factory. He finally did. He bought a humungous industrial 
> size 
> Aranizer. Even though the workers were not health-oriented at all, a 
> few 
> days after it was installed they all commented on how nice the air 
> smelled! 
> And one woman, who had chronic sinus problems, felt them abate 
> considerably.
> 
> So these Aranizers really work. I have dealer privileges, but use 
> them only 
> for myself and for people who are really ready to buy, because it's 
> too much 
> work to convince people that (1) ozone is safe, and (2) the 
> Aranizers really 
> work and are worth the price. They are more expensive than other 
> brands, but 
> you can leave them running 24/7 and there are no parts to wear out 
> (it's 
> based on Tesla technology).
> 
> Best,
> Nenah 
> 
> 
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Re: CS>asthma and CS, again/OZONE & IONS

[Nenah Sylver]

- Original Message - 
From: "Connie Howard" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 11:46 PM
Subject: Re: CS>asthma and CS, again/OZONE & IONS




Sharon...

Do you think that your Ozone machine would work in my basement?  My house
is 100 years old and has gone through a lot of moisture being dumped
under the house; that couple with Racoons, cats, skunks, etc the smell
coming from the basement is not very good.  My house is 850 sq ft with a
partial basement below half of it.  The other part is crawal space.  If
it would would I need a certain model to handle that space?

thanks

connie


Connie,
I'm not Sharon, but would like to share my own experience with using an 
Aranizer in a similar situation.


For six years until recently, I lived in a house with a crawl space that was 
very damp -- so damp, in fact, that black mold was growing in the house! 
Leaving an Aranizer running in the crawl space 24/7 was very helpful. It was 
also a blessing to have one running INSIDE the house. We finally got the 
landlords to put a drainpipe in the gutter so the water ran off the roof to 
the ground away from the house when it rained, instead of pouring directly 
under the house in the crawl space.


For you, running a dehumidifier in the finished portion of the basement 
could be really helpful. So would running the Aranizers. If there's no mold 
in your house, all this can help prevent it from growing. If there's already 
mold growing in the walls, you will probably have to run tubes from the 
Aranizers into the walls where the mold is growing -- because even though 
the ozone is in the air in the room, it generally cannot reach the inside of 
the wall or go through the wall to get to the mold. (How I wish what Garnet 
had written, that ozone goes into sheetrock and stays there, were true! Then 
we wouldn't need to run tubes into the walls.)


By the way, a friend of mine owns a plastics factory and every time I'd 
visit him there, if the door from the inner lobby to the plastics molding 
portion of the factory we open, I'd have to run to his office holding my 
breath to avoid the fumes. He was just beginning the construction of 
prototypes of his wonderful far infrared sauna cabinet, so I was visiting 
him a lot because I was working on my sauna book; I really needed to be 
there. I worked on him for four years to install an air purification system 
in that factory. He finally did. He bought a humungous industrial size 
Aranizer. Even though the workers were not health-oriented at all, a few 
days after it was installed they all commented on how nice the air smelled! 
And one woman, who had chronic sinus problems, felt them abate considerably.


So these Aranizers really work. I have dealer privileges, but use them only 
for myself and for people who are really ready to buy, because it's too much 
work to convince people that (1) ozone is safe, and (2) the Aranizers really 
work and are worth the price. They are more expensive than other brands, but 
you can leave them running 24/7 and there are no parts to wear out (it's 
based on Tesla technology).


Best,
Nenah 




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Re: CS>asthma and CS, again/OZONE & IONS

[Ode Coyote]

  Ozone will break down virtually any organic molecule and living cell.
[Makes a really good water sterilizer]
 If the concentration isn't too high and cells can replicate faster than
they are destroyed, if ozone kills off weak cells faster and at lower
concentrations than strong cells, perhaps then ozone can be beneficial like
scrubbing the heck out of your skin can improve it. [but too much scrubbing
removes it.]
 Using a torch on hair gets rid of split ends..but can get rid of hair too.
[In a flash!]

 The Gov't set a 'concentration' standard and it's probably on the high
side to direct attention away from harmful man made environmental ozone
levels.  These standards are based on exposure 'duration' as well as
concentration.  How much for how long is 'key'.   If anything, they'd want
to play down harmfulness...or they'd wind up having to do something
expensive and very unpopular about it.
 Gov't rule #1 "Cover your ass".  #2 "Blame something else first"   #3
"Don't interfere with industry or peoples desire to drive cars as much as
that's possible without violating rule #1"

 It is a really good idea to be very careful with something that will rot
the tires right off your car.
 I've replaced many a rubber drill cord that ozone [made by the drill
motor] ate off.
..not saying don't do it, just don't over do it.

Some air ionizers put off a lot of ozone that can build up in todays sealed
houses.
 Others make less.  Check the specs. [Required on the package by law for
some reason]

 I've heard that a waterfall makes negative ions? 

Ode

At 07:15 AM 8/5/2005 -0400, you wrote:
>
>
>- Original Message - 
>From: "Ken & Nancy Bagwell" 
>To: 
>Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 12:18 AM
>Subject: CS>asthma and CS, again
>
>
>> Thanks everyone for the ideas.  I'm especially
>> interest in the salt lamps, too.  I'm using 3 ionizers
>> in the house now, but I turned them all off because
>> Garnet said the ozone was dangerous.
>
>===
>Sigh.
>
>This is what happens when rumors persist and incorrect info is circulated as 
>fact. Say it enough, and say it forcefully enough, and people believe it. 
>Even if it's not true.
>
>First, negative ions and ozone are not necessary the same thing. You can 
>have an ion generator that does not produce ozone.
>
>Salt lamps are supposed to produce negative ions, the same substances that 
>are being produced by your electrically powered ionizers (if indeed they 
>*are* ionizers).
>
>Negative ions are beneficial.
>
>So is ozone.
>
>I'm sick of repeating myself, so you can look it up in the silver list 
>archives or do a search on Google. The government websites hate ozone and 
>won't tell you the truth.
>
>I have an entire section on ozone in my book on sauna therapy, if anyone 
>wants solid documented information -- including the history of ozone use and 
>how the myths about ozone came to be so widely quoted. There's information 
>on ions in the book, too.
>
>Nenah
>
>Nenah Sylver, PhD
>http://www.nenahsylver.com
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>* The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy
>* products and services for wellness 
>
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Re: CS>asthma and CS, again/OZONE & IONS

[Connie Howard]

Thanks...  I'lll try your idea.
connie


On Fri, 5 Aug 2005 23:08:48 -0400 "starshar" 
writes:
> From: "Connie Howard" 
> >
> > Sharon...
> >
> > Do you think that your Ozone machine would work in my basement?  
> My house
> > is 100 years old and has gone through a lot of moisture being 
> dumped
> > under the house; that couple with Racoons, cats, skunks, etc the 
> smell
> > coming from the basement is not very good.  My house is 850 sq ft 
> with a
> > partial basement below half of it.  The other part is crawal 
> space.  If
> > it would would I need a certain model to handle that space?
> 
> Connie,
> 
> It sounds like you have a real challenge. I have to say that I 
> honestly have 
> no idea if the Aranizer would work in your situation, 
> unfortunately.
> May I suggest that you put "Aranizer" into google, and see if there 
> is a 
> phone number on their website. They sell several different models 
> for 
> different size areas, for example.
> 
> My best "guess" is that it would make a difference, but you don't 
> want to 
> buy this expensive machine based on this layman's guesswork!
> 
> I wish you success in dealing with your basement
> 
> Sharon
> 
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Re: CS>asthma and CS, again/OZONE & IONS

[starshar]

From: "Connie Howard" 


Sharon...

Do you think that your Ozone machine would work in my basement?  My house
is 100 years old and has gone through a lot of moisture being dumped
under the house; that couple with Racoons, cats, skunks, etc the smell
coming from the basement is not very good.  My house is 850 sq ft with a
partial basement below half of it.  The other part is crawal space.  If
it would would I need a certain model to handle that space?


Connie,

It sounds like you have a real challenge. I have to say that I honestly have 
no idea if the Aranizer would work in your situation, unfortunately.
May I suggest that you put "Aranizer" into google, and see if there is a 
phone number on their website. They sell several different models for 
different size areas, for example.


My best "guess" is that it would make a difference, but you don't want to 
buy this expensive machine based on this layman's guesswork!


I wish you success in dealing with your basement

Sharon


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Re: CS>asthma and CS, again/OZONE & IONS

[Jonathan B. Britten]

I believe that one need not be rich or expensively educated to discover 
important things.   If you spend some time studying those things that 
interest you, you may have a breakthrough.


Note that the creator of the periodic table of the elements, for 
example, was "just" a high school chemistry teacher.   The great 
Faraday started as a "mere" bookbinder.   You and all the rest of us 
may be capable of far, far more than we imagine.





On Saturday, Aug 6, 2005, at 07:04 Asia/Tokyo, Ken & Nancy Bagwell 
wrote:



Sometimes I wish I were rich and well educated, so
that I could spend my time conducting studies on these
things and find out the truth for myself. It seems you
can only really know for sure when you have money to
try things out and knowledge to really know what's BS
or not.  I'm just not in that category.



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Re: CS>asthma and CS, again/OZONE & IONS

[Connie Howard]

Sharon...

Do you think that your Ozone machine would work in my basement?  My house
is 100 years old and has gone through a lot of moisture being dumped
under the house; that couple with Racoons, cats, skunks, etc the smell
coming from the basement is not very good.  My house is 850 sq ft with a
partial basement below half of it.  The other part is crawal space.  If
it would would I need a certain model to handle that space?

thanks 

connie


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Re: CS>asthma and CS, again/OZONE & IONS

[starshar]

From: "Nenah Sylver" 

Ken, you don't *need* to be a rocket scientist. If you want, you can call 
the Aranizer company and ask them for a reprint of an article that 
explains how so many conflicting opinions came to be. In my sauna therapy 
book, I quote that article and bring together what I believe is the best 
compilation of data that gives people a real good handle on ozone -- the 
myths surrounding it, how they came to be, and solid scientific data to 
refute the myths about ozone's presumed harm.


Just quickly jumping in to say that I bought my Aranizer after Hurricane 
Floyd deposited an incredible amount of water in my finished and carpeted 
basement in 1999.
If it weren't for the fungus killing power of that blessed machine, I 
probably would've had to tear apart that basement to the bare walls.
I LOVE my Aranizer and have it running almost 365 days a year in various 
rooms of the house. I've even it slept with it running about 4 ' above my 
head.
I usually run it in this very small "computer room", for 6 yrs now, and I've 
not had one piece of equipment affected by it.


Like Nenah, I also use ozone to keep my ears/sinuses free of fungal 
infections.


Ozone, properly used, is a wonderful healing tool.

Sharon 



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Re: CS>asthma and CS, again/OZONE & IONS

[Nenah Sylver]

- Original Message - 
From: "Ken & Nancy Bagwell" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 6:04 PM
Subject: Re: CS>asthma and CS, again/OZONE & IONS



Hi Nenah,

Re the below...I noticed you never responded to Garnet
on this one. Although, I'm willing to hear you out.

http://www.escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m75477.html


She wrote:
"Zeolite is not adequate to adsorb VOCs Nenah, it helps but without the 
potassium iodide impregnated into the zeolite it will miss alot of 
formaldehyde, ammonia and other VOCs"


I don't know if this is true or not. That's why I never commented. And I was 
getting tired of the debate; it was not my intention to prove that I was 
"right."


She also wrote:
"Aranizers produce Ozone (O3) which will depot in sheet rock. Ozone in small 
amounts will combine with other toxic VOCs in the air and make a more potent 
chemical cocktail. Ozone is toxic to humans, plants and animals. In minute 
amounts it is not so noticeable but when you consider the Total Load of 
toxins you are dealing with plus the above mentioned facts you are poisoning 
yourself. Sorry to be the harbinger of bad news Nina but this is something I 
am intimately familiar with as Neuro-pharmacologist and one who has been 
gravely ill, no pun intended, with MCS and EI."


Ozone breaks down into oxygen and the remaining O1, by nature unstable, will 
scavenge whatever it picks up (a toxin). I don't see how ozone can "depot" 
(I think she meant deposit) in sheet rock.


All I can say is that based on everything I know, have experienced, and have 
researched, I disagree about ozone's presumed harm. You have to use your own 
discernment to find out what's true for you. I subscribe to the Oxyplus 
list, run by a man whom I regard as one of the most knowledgeable experts in 
the field of ozone therapy; some of what I have learned is from him. 
Everything I have done regarding actual ozone use, I would think, is 
considerably more than what Garnet has done, since she was against using it. 
How can you say for sure that something is harmful if you've never used or 
experienced it? Or read data explaining WHY most of the information that's 
out there is propaganda? She had her beliefs, and felt that she was acting 
appropriately based on what she believed from her research and education. I 
had my beliefs, based on research and experience. I consider it a blessing 
that I didn't have her background; I might have ended up being afraid of 
ozone too. There has been lots of misinformation about ozone, and I'm not 
surprised that otherwise knowledge and bright people can be mistaken and 
misinformed...and then misinform others.


Using ozone correctly, and in the proper amounts, has helped me. I've 
breathed it through olive oil and stopped respiratory wheezing; put it in my 
ears and considerably lessened a fungal sinus infection (not to mention 
cleared my brain of toxins and probably fungus too); breathed it in a room 
where a unit was running (and coughed at first until the crap was oxidized 
out of my lungs, at which point the ozone in the air no longer bothered me); 
touched it (gotten rid of gasoline on my hands by placing my hands directly 
on an Aranizer for 3 minutes); and more. Oh, and I've also placed the lower 
portion of my small dog in a plastic bag with ozone piped in through a tube. 
This is to bring ozone to tumors on her belly. Many times after I've done 
this, the dog's energy has perked up.


I don't know if this is relevant or not, but the writer of the above email 
did spell my name wrong. So she can make mistakes.


She also wrote:
"You must remember that we know NOTHING about the pharmacology of these 
substances in combination, NOTHING. No one tests this. The governement does 
not require it nor do they enforce the EPA and other legislation that 
requires toxicity testing of the millions of chemicals on the market. The 
mfgs certainly do not test volutarily and in most instances much prefer to 
pay the fines and court costs involved. It is simply factored into the cost 
of doing business and the expense is passed on to the unwitting consumer."


I'm not sure what she meant by the above. I'm sure that *she* knows nothing 
about "substances in combination"; but that doesn't mean that other people 
don't know anything.


Bottom line, to repeat, it's up to each person to do what feels right to 
him/her. I thought it was a shame that on a health list, people might be 
swayed by a very powerful and persuasive -- and intelligent! -- writer with 
a decided bias, a bias based on what I perceived was incomplete knowledge. I 
wanted to bring in another perspective. I did. I feel no need to defend 
myself or to defend ozone. If people resonate with what I write, then 
they'll investigate.



Do you have an online material 

Re: CS>asthma and CS, again/OZONE & IONS

[Ken & Nancy Bagwell]

Hi Nenah,

Re the below...I noticed you never responded to Garnet
on this one. Although, I'm willing to hear you out.

http://www.escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m75477.html

Do you have an online material like what is found in
your book?

The air cleaner units I have are seen here: 
http://www.peakpureair.com/surroundair.htm

To be honest, it is hard to tell if they work.  I
bought three of these.  One for the bedroom, and two
for the living room. We live in a 700 sq. ft apt.  I'm
not a rocket scientist, so the whole ozone thing for
long term air sanitizing is a mystery to me.  One
person or study says it's bad, then another says it's
good.  My main thrust for purchasing these, though,
was for the ion generation, not really the ozone. So
maybe the salt lamps will be a better choice.  Maybe
you can comment to me privately on that.

Sometimes I wish I were rich and well educated, so
that I could spend my time conducting studies on these
things and find out the truth for myself. It seems you
can only really know for sure when you have money to
try things out and knowledge to really know what's BS
or not.  I'm just not in that category.

-Ken





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Re: CS>asthma and CS, again/OZONE & IONS

[Jason]

Hi Nenah:

I'll second that...  A Big second.

Ozone, however, must be used with understanding, especially if being 
used as an "air purifier".


I say this not because ozone, in itself, is dangerous.  There is no 
evidence to suggest this.  The problem is that ozone is such a powerful 
oxidizing agent that it can begin to break down substances in the 
environment.  When ozone reacts with a substance, it will eventually 
break it down into an inert substance.  However, with some substances, 
such as plastics, this process can take quite some time.  Between the 
time that ozone begins to break down some chemicals, and the time they 
are effectively nuetralized, they can outgas.


As our world becomes more polluted, ozone has the potential of literally 
being one of the key core substances that may save many, many lives.


I've been researching ozone and ozone therapy now for over eight months, 
and it is endlessly fascinating!


Kind Regards,

Jason


Nenah Sylver wrote:



- Original Message - From: "Ken & Nancy Bagwell" 


To: 
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 12:18 AM
Subject: CS>asthma and CS, again



Thanks everyone for the ideas.  I'm especially
interest in the salt lamps, too.  I'm using 3 ionizers
in the house now, but I turned them all off because
Garnet said the ozone was dangerous.



===
Sigh.

This is what happens when rumors persist and incorrect info is 
circulated as fact. Say it enough, and say it forcefully enough, and 
people believe it. Even if it's not true.


First, negative ions and ozone are not necessary the same thing. You 
can have an ion generator that does not produce ozone.


Salt lamps are supposed to produce negative ions, the same substances 
that are being produced by your electrically powered ionizers (if 
indeed they *are* ionizers).


Negative ions are beneficial.

So is ozone.

I'm sick of repeating myself, so you can look it up in the silver list 
archives or do a search on Google. The government websites hate ozone 
and won't tell you the truth.


I have an entire section on ozone in my book on sauna therapy, if 
anyone wants solid documented information -- including the history of 
ozone use and how the myths about ozone came to be so widely quoted. 
There's information on ions in the book, too.


Nenah

Nenah Sylver, PhD
http://www.nenahsylver.com
* The Handbook of Rife Frequency Healing
* The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy
* products and services for wellness


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Re: CS>asthma and CS, again/OZONE & IONS

[Nenah Sylver]

- Original Message - 
From: "Ken & Nancy Bagwell" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 12:18 AM
Subject: CS>asthma and CS, again



Thanks everyone for the ideas.  I'm especially
interest in the salt lamps, too.  I'm using 3 ionizers
in the house now, but I turned them all off because
Garnet said the ozone was dangerous.


===
Sigh.

This is what happens when rumors persist and incorrect info is circulated as 
fact. Say it enough, and say it forcefully enough, and people believe it. 
Even if it's not true.


First, negative ions and ozone are not necessary the same thing. You can 
have an ion generator that does not produce ozone.


Salt lamps are supposed to produce negative ions, the same substances that 
are being produced by your electrically powered ionizers (if indeed they 
*are* ionizers).


Negative ions are beneficial.

So is ozone.

I'm sick of repeating myself, so you can look it up in the silver list 
archives or do a search on Google. The government websites hate ozone and 
won't tell you the truth.


I have an entire section on ozone in my book on sauna therapy, if anyone 
wants solid documented information -- including the history of ozone use and 
how the myths about ozone came to be so widely quoted. There's information 
on ions in the book, too.


Nenah

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http://www.nenahsylver.com
* The Handbook of Rife Frequency Healing
* The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy
* products and services for wellness 




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Re: CS>Asthma and CS, again.

[twll56]

Type Salt Lamp into a search engine.These thing produce 
Negative Ions which clean the air.
Ebay has a bunch of them for sale.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Deborah Gerard 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 11:37 PM
  Subject: CS>Asthma and CS, again.


  Hi,
  I have a grandchild who is 7. When she gets to running around playing she 
will get into coughing jagsor at night if she is not propped up with 
pillows she coughs really hard I give her cough syrup, during the times I get 
to see her I give her cswouldn't help to put cs in a vaporizer at least too?
  Thanks deb

Re: CS>Asthma and CS, again.

[scl...@netzero.net]

I agree with Jill. As an EFT therapist myself  I have seen great result in 
treating asthma and breathing problems. Very often there is an emotional upset 
involved in the body that triggered the intitial allergy/asthma/breathing 
problem and it usually can be corrected with EFT.
 
Steve

Re: CS>Asthma and CS, again.

[Duncan Crow]

> My little 2 and 1/2 year old daughter Sophia has what
> could only be asthma.  But I can't pin down
> what is causing it.  Sometimes it seems like cold
> weather, other times I simply cannot tell what it is.

Asthma is the body's response to irritation, which can be produced by 
environmental toxins and natural free radicals. Bad bowel bacteria 
(dysbiosis) may contribute the biggest toxin load 24 hours a day. It 
is maintaind by a high sugar and starch diet. Toxins and free 
radicals are irritants, so they predictably produce inflammation and 
mucous, both of which restrict airways.

A fair bit of research links low antioxidant pool, notably low 
glutathione, to high oxidative stress (free radical damage). The 
lungs are about the third biggest users of the body's glutathione 
pool and they are sensitive so you often see a reaction there.

Some research also links low production of nitric oxide in the lungs 
to asthma. Nitric oxide is not only an antioxidant but also a vein 
wall tone relaxer; levating it allows easier breathing.

I've had good results with asthma and even COPD by using an 
antioxidant program, vitamins C, E, A, selenium, and cld-processed 
whey, which produces the glutathione in the lung cells. Glutathione 
is also used to detoxify the whole body, and it's the liver's main 
support in doing so. I also recommended a b-vitamin complex to harden 
up all the cells, and a few other things might be helpful, such as 
cod-liver oil (one has to wonder how much free radical damage has 
already occurrd to the polyunsaturated oils in the cell walls of 
lungs, and if they can be repaired).

Nitric oxide is increased with the amino acid arginine, which is 
present in the cold-processed whey, and it's also increased with 
Noni. Powdered Noni is several times as potent as Noni Juice. 
Tahitian Noni (TM) is perhaps the lowest potency Noni Juice product 
on the market.

Lastly, if these don't work, and normally they do, Glyconutrients are 
usful for reducing an allergic response. They work by allowing the 
immune response to be controlled a little closer.

Duncan


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RE: CS>Asthma and CS, - now hair analysis

[Wendy]

Through our Naturopath, about $100 Canadian. The lab he uses is
http://anamol.com/  in Ontario Canada.  In the US, he sometimes also
uses this lab but it's more costly for Canadians www.doctorsdata.com
<http://www.doctorsdata.com/>  Hal huggins the biological dentist uses
this lab as well for hair analysis when doing the recovery program from
amalgam removal.
 
Hth
 
Wendy
 
 
-Original Message-
From: marmar...@aol.com [mailto:marmar...@aol.com] 
Sent: August 3, 2005 6:12 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Asthma and CS, again.
 
In a message dated 8/2/2005 9:30:31 PM Central Standard Time,
wen...@tuxnightclub.com writes:
We've
had hair analysis on the kids done and they are low in many things and
really low of course in zinc and magnesium despite what I thought to be
a good diet, free of junk, sugar, and 95% processed food free.
Hi Wendy.  Where did you have the hair analysis done? MA

RE: CS>Asthma and CS, again.

[Wendy]

Through our Naturopath, about $100 Canadian. The lab he uses is
http://anamol.com/  in Ontario Canada.  In the US, he sometimes also
uses this lab but it's more costly for Canadians www.doctorsdata.com
<http://www.doctorsdata.com/>  Hal huggins the biological dentist uses
this lab as well for hair analysis when doing the recovery program from
amalgam removal.
 
Hth
 
Wendy
 
 
-Original Message-
From: marmar...@aol.com [mailto:marmar...@aol.com] 
Sent: August 3, 2005 6:12 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Asthma and CS, again.
 
In a message dated 8/2/2005 9:30:31 PM Central Standard Time,
wen...@tuxnightclub.com writes:
We've
had hair analysis on the kids done and they are low in many things and
really low of course in zinc and magnesium despite what I thought to be
a good diet, free of junk, sugar, and 95% processed food free.
Hi Wendy.  Where did you have the hair analysis done? MA

Re: CS>Asthma and CS, again.

[Marmar845]

In a message dated 8/2/2005 9:30:31 PM Central Standard Time, 
wen...@tuxnightclub.com writes:
We've
had hair analysis on the kids done and they are low in many things and
really low of course in zinc and magnesium despite what I thought to be
a good diet, free of junk, sugar, and 95% processed food free.
Hi Wendy.  Where did you have the hair analysis done? MA

Re: CS>Asthma and CS, again.

[Grace1way]

In my psychological practice I have had success with asthma, by removing the 
unconscious emotional issues associated with it.  I treated a woman for issues 
regarding abuse by her father.  We were not targeting the asthma.  She had a 
history of severe asthma since childhood, with recurrent hospitalizations, 
about once per month.  She had a cold when she came to see me, and so was 
having 
more than the usual difficulty breathing.  I used a technique similar to EFT 
to clear all the negative emotions associated with the abuse.  During the 
course of the 45 minute treatment her breathing became easier, and was 
completely 
normal by the end of the session.  She has had no recurrence of the asthma 
since that day.  

The trick would be to find the emotional issue which is triggering the 
asthma.  Muscle testing would work. Then use EFT to completely clear the issue 
so 
that when the painful situations are remembered, there is no negative emotional 
reaction.

I have also seen asthma cleared by removal of allergens (not only the 
airborne ones, but also food, drink, chemicals).  I think muscle testing could 
pinpoint the cause/causes of the allergic asthma, and then the allergen could 
be 
avoided, or the person could be desensitized.  After I was desensitized to egg, 
dairy and wheat, I no longer experienced the difficulty breathing, coughing, 
wheezing, bronchitis and pneumonia I had suffered for many years.  It is 
totally 
gone.  I had been sleeping sitting up, and coughed for two hours, with 
difficulty breathing, after every meal.

Also, a solution called Oralmat by Allergy Research Group sounds very 
promising.  I didn't use mine since the asthma was treated by allergy 
desensitization 
instead, so I can't vouch for it personally.  The company says that childhood 
asthma is more prevalent in Australia than anywhere else in the world, and 
they have created an extract from a type of tree that grows there.  In clinical 
studies they have been able to reduce incidences of serious asthma, requiring 
hospitalizations, around 90%.  Check out www.nutricology.com.

Jill

Re: CS>Asthma and CS, again.

[twllLL]

Type (  Yamoa  ) into search engine.
Its the stuff from a African tree that suppose to cure Asthma& hay fever.
- Original Message - 
From: "Ken & Nancy Bagwell" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 8:02 PM
Subject: CS>Asthma and CS, again.



Hi all,

My little 2 and 1/2 year old daughter Sophia has what
could only be asthma.  She gets she bouts of coughing
out of nowhere, and they don't go away for hours.  She
usually has accompanying wheezing and shortness of
breath at the same time.  It's not so short that it
seems dangerous, usually, but it's noticable.  One
time, however, she did seem very short of breath and
we took her to the hospital.  They put her on oxygen
and gave albuterol, and we went home.  No other severe
attacks quite like that since.  But I can't pin down
what is causing it.  Sometimes it seems like cold
weather, other times I simply cannot tell what it is.

I looked up "asthma" here on the list and Garnet and
Paul Holloway seemed to have some great ideas. But I'm
curious, has CS actually helped anyone with asthma? 
There seems to be very little info on the net using CS

for this purpose, or maybe I'm not looking too well.

Also, 2 more questions:

Where is the best place to get DMSO to combine with
the CS?

And what is the best portable nebulizer that doesn't
cost a fortune?

Thanks, everyone.

-Ken




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RE: CS>Asthma and CS, again.

[Wendy]

Deb and others. I'd like to hear more about the neubilizers, and
strategies for using it with kids. I've heard about them but haven't a
clue how they work. With winter approaching I am wanting to be prepared
as much as possible with the kids. We've had a rough year. There was a
devilbiss advertised in the local paper for $85 canadian last week but I
didn't know what kind or anything else to know if it would work. (I've
just started digging around in the archives here at the group since
joining)

My then 3.5 yr old, exclusively breastfed 4 month old and I came down
with pertussis (whooping cough) in March of this year. I did a bit of
ozone therapy with them, oral CS, homeopathics, transfactors, colostrum
and the kitchen sink but nothing was helping- we worked with a
naturopath and a homeopath, it was very nasty and scary with the baby to
say the least. After being in touch with a woman in New Zealand, we
began mega dosing with Sodium ascorbate (vit c) and it turned us right
around within 24-48 hrs. 

However we still have the lingering cough...after too much exertion,
cold things or for the kids if they get upset. It's supposed to be 100
day cough and it's been 3.5 - 4 months now and we aren't 100% yet. We've
had hair analysis on the kids done and they are low in many things and
really low of course in zinc and magnesium despite what I thought to be
a good diet, free of junk, sugar, and 95% processed food free. We are
working with EFA's, acidophilous, supplements, etc. I've been reading
SuperImmunity for kids too which has great info. Anyhow, after reading
these emails today about the cs and asthma...I am wondering about the
neubilizer and the cs. 

My dad and I just got a cs maker from silvergen today in the mail
(woohoo) with all the gadgets so I am looking forward to reading and
learning more as I have a lot to learn. He's the one who's been doing
all the research and reading and he's brewing a batch already.

So I will continue to dig around in the archives but I would love to
hear others experiences, especially from parents, colds and flus etc.

Thanks

Warmly

Wendy
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/holisticparentsnetworkofontario


-Original Message-
From: Deb&Mark [mailto:spa...@warwick.net] 
Sent: August 2, 2005 10:00 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Asthma and CS, again.

Hi, I can tell you that I had my youngest son (at the time he was 6) 
diagnosed with asthmatic like tendencies/allergies...what  They
wanted 
him on two type of inhalers.  One for everyday with no symptoms and one
for 
when he gets an attack.  Every time he got a cold and cough...they said
he 
should be on the inhalers.  It seemed to me that every time he used them
his 
cough was worse and I really didn't like the fact of him using these 
steroids on an every day basis.  So I bought him a nebulizer on Ebay,
mixed 
up a batch of R. Harris's CS recipe for nebulizing and the difference I
saw 
was nothing short of miraculous.  Every time he started to get a
cough...I 
would start him nebulizing (did the same with his older brother) with in

24-48 hours cough/cold and all symptoms went away.  I will never use a 
prescribed inhaler again.

Thank you CS and all you informative people on this list.  Deb

- Original Message - 
From: "Ken & Nancy Bagwell" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 8:02 PM
Subject: CS>Asthma and CS, again.


> Hi all,
>
> My little 2 and 1/2 year old daughter Sophia has what
> could only be asthma.  She gets she bouts of coughing
> out of nowhere, and they don't go away for hours.  She
> usually has accompanying wheezing and shortness of
> breath at the same time.  It's not so short that it
> seems dangerous, usually, but it's noticable.  One
> time, however, she did seem very short of breath and
> we took her to the hospital.  They put her on oxygen
> and gave albuterol, and we went home.  No other severe
> attacks quite like that since.  But I can't pin down
> what is causing it.  Sometimes it seems like cold
> weather, other times I simply cannot tell what it is.
>
> I looked up "asthma" here on the list and Garnet and
> Paul Holloway seemed to have some great ideas. But I'm
> curious, has CS actually helped anyone with asthma?
> There seems to be very little info on the net using CS
> for this purpose, or maybe I'm not looking too well.
>
> Also, 2 more questions:
>
> Where is the best place to get DMSO to combine with
> the CS?
>
> And what is the best portable nebulizer that doesn't
> cost a fortune?
>
> Thanks, everyone.
>
> -Ken
>
>
>
> 
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> http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
>
>
>
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Re: CS>Asthma and CS, again.

[twllLL]

The Water Cure book says Asthma is caused from lack of water.
Hulda Clark in THE CURE FOR ALL DESEASES
says it caused from a parasite.
Theres type of tree bark from Africa thats suppose to cure it.






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Re: CS>Asthma and CS, again.

Hi, I can tell you that I had my youngest son (at the time he was 6) 
diagnosed with asthmatic like tendencies/allergies...what  They wanted 
him on two type of inhalers.  One for everyday with no symptoms and one for 
when he gets an attack.  Every time he got a cold and cough...they said he 
should be on the inhalers.  It seemed to me that every time he used them his 
cough was worse and I really didn't like the fact of him using these 
steroids on an every day basis.  So I bought him a nebulizer on Ebay, mixed 
up a batch of R. Harris's CS recipe for nebulizing and the difference I saw 
was nothing short of miraculous.  Every time he started to get a cough...I 
would start him nebulizing (did the same with his older brother) with in 
24-48 hours cough/cold and all symptoms went away.  I will never use a 
prescribed inhaler again.


Thank you CS and all you informative people on this list.  Deb

- Original Message - 
From: "Ken & Nancy Bagwell" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 8:02 PM
Subject: CS>Asthma and CS, again.



Hi all,

My little 2 and 1/2 year old daughter Sophia has what
could only be asthma.  She gets she bouts of coughing
out of nowhere, and they don't go away for hours.  She
usually has accompanying wheezing and shortness of
breath at the same time.  It's not so short that it
seems dangerous, usually, but it's noticable.  One
time, however, she did seem very short of breath and
we took her to the hospital.  They put her on oxygen
and gave albuterol, and we went home.  No other severe
attacks quite like that since.  But I can't pin down
what is causing it.  Sometimes it seems like cold
weather, other times I simply cannot tell what it is.

I looked up "asthma" here on the list and Garnet and
Paul Holloway seemed to have some great ideas. But I'm
curious, has CS actually helped anyone with asthma?
There seems to be very little info on the net using CS
for this purpose, or maybe I'm not looking too well.

Also, 2 more questions:

Where is the best place to get DMSO to combine with
the CS?

And what is the best portable nebulizer that doesn't
cost a fortune?

Thanks, everyone.

-Ken




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Re: CS>Asthma and CS, again.

[Sandee George]

Hi There Ken - just a guideline to maybe look at - as per Louse Hay 
asthma indicates the possibility of - smother love, Inability to breathe
for
one's self.   Feeling stifled, suppressed crying - this is my input for
this
situation - hope something jogs the mind re the above - good luck
Regards
Sandee

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who failed to realize that he could not do it."


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RE: CS>Asthma and CS, again. case histories

[Judydownmaine]

Two friends with 25 years of serious asthma each were willing to put some CS
in their inhalers
when they visited my house and had difficulty breathing. (cats)
The relief was almost instant (2 mnutes, perhaps.)
They took some CS with them and went back to Jersey City, NJ. They had been
raised in brownstones that were now quite moldy with age and dampness. Their
asthma began in childhood.
They used CS in a nebulizer 4-6 times a day.
First week, coughed up yucky green stuff
2nd and 3rd weeks, dark browny yellow
Followed by weeks with pale yellow and then almost clear.
They now use CS one day a week to maintain health.
I don't know what causes "asthma" -- but this sure seemed like fungus/mold
to us.

Check out nebulizers on ebay.  Many styles, many brand new
Cheaper,  even with shipping
Judy Down Maine

___
Barn Star Cottage -- rent by day or week year
round in beautiful midcoast Maine -- sleeps  4
Queen & full beds,  well-equipped kitchen,  all
linens provided, washer/dryer, 2 TVs & phone.
4 miles from Route #1 in rural Cushing, Maine.
Close to everything.  Judy at 207-354-7091


-Original Message-
From: Ken & Nancy Bagwell [mailto:kenancy2...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 8:02 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Asthma and CS, again.


Hi all,

My little 2 and 1/2 year old daughter Sophia has what
could only be asthma.  She gets she bouts of coughing
out of nowhere, and they don't go away for hours.  She
usually has accompanying wheezing and shortness of
breath at the same time.  It's not so short that it
seems dangerous, usually, but it's noticable.  One
time, however, she did seem very short of breath and
we took her to the hospital.  They put her on oxygen
and gave albuterol, and we went home.  No other severe
attacks quite like that since.  But I can't pin down
what is causing it.  Sometimes it seems like cold
weather, other times I simply cannot tell what it is.

I looked up "asthma" here on the list and Garnet and
Paul Holloway seemed to have some great ideas. But I'm
curious, has CS actually helped anyone with asthma?
There seems to be very little info on the net using CS
for this purpose, or maybe I'm not looking too well.

Also, 2 more questions:

Where is the best place to get DMSO to combine with
the CS?

And what is the best portable nebulizer that doesn't
cost a fortune?

Thanks, everyone.

-Ken




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Re: CS>Asthma

[Paul Holloway]

Hi Sharon,

None of the foods I mentioned are OK (for me at least), as they are derived 
from fungus.
Peanut butter is often contaminated with mold and is definitely not OK!

Best wishes,

Paul H
  - Original Message - 
  From: Sharon Cooper 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 6:53 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>Asthma


  Peanut butter is OK? 

  I am going to have to start trying the exclusion diet. He will hate that. He 
is addicted to yogurt right now but he really goes through phases.

  On the topic of breastfeeding. He was adopted so I did try to breastfeed but 
he really didn't get a lot of nutritional value, he was eating a lot right from 
the start, and I wasn't producing any milk for a couple of months. It was more 
a bonding thing.

  If I just assume he is immune compromised from that, where should I go to 
look for a diet for him that will rebuild his immune system? He only got a 
couple of ear infections but I used either olive oil, or Olive oil and CS and 
nipped them in the bud. He also had this wierd fungus under his neck ( in the 
folds ) when he was really little that the naturopath gave me a copper powder 
mix for, and it cured that real quick. 

  I managed to avoid getting him vaccinated once we had him home, but he did 
have Hep B in the hospital at one day of age ( cretins ). I supposed that was 
unavoidable since his birth mom is a low income black woman who they were bound 
to assume all sorts of things about. Poor kid. 

  Thanks for all the great info folks!
  Sharon

  P.S. this list has really helped me with both my kids health issues now. DD 
no longer has episodes of bladder infection, and although it wasn't CS that 
cured them, I did snag a lot of information from here and from the rest of the 
net about allergies and what they can actually cause that helped to clue me in 
to her allergies. I think Christine or someone else posted a while back about 
what can be done to get rid of your allergies, I would love to see that topic 
come up again.

  This is such a great resource, I am so grateful that you all are here and 
sharing what you know!
  Kudo's to Mike for creating it.


  On Nov 23, 2004, at 3:31 PM, Paul Holloway wrote:


From my personal experience:
Soya sauce, vinegars, any store juices (freshly squeezed are OK), some 
spices (black pepper for example), food additives like MSG and the newer 
inosinates and sodium guanylate, dried fruit and peanut butter. I only react to 
blue cheeses, thankfully. An exclusion diet for a while then reintroducing 
suspect foods one by one is the only practical way to find out for sure.
 
Paul H
- Original Message -
From: Sally Khanna 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent:Tuesday, November 23, 2004 4:13 PM
Subject:Re: CS>Asthma

I would say yes, but I'm only speaking from my experience and I'm not a 
doctor.   My allergist was a teacher also, and taught me to be my own sleuth 
when it casme to what would trigger asthma.  things that contain mold spores 
are not only cheese, but anything fermented and even food that is more than two 
days old.  That means watch out for leftovers.
 
Sally

Sharon Cooper wrote:
That was the second opinion. I suppose I could get a third but I think
that I will get a similar line with all the allopathic docs. They seem
to think that because they have reduced the dose on inhaled steroids it
is o.k. to take them longer. I just had a discussion with DH and we
both think we can link all the attacks to episodes of mold exposure.
Does this mean he should also avoid foods made with mold such as
cheeses?
Sharon

Re: CS>Asthma

[Paul Holloway]

I too have flushed out black mold from my sinuses, using dark CS.
I do it several times a day.
I know it is mold as I have examined it microscopically, and identified the 
species, aspergillus fumigatus, from the fruiting bodies and the spores. This 
identification was confirmed by culture at a fungal laboratory.

Brickey - take care with the GSE and peroxide. Both of these can irritate your 
sinuses and make you miserable for days.
I do a flooding with the dark CS, three or four times, then rinse out any 
remaining mold with a liter of saline.
This keeps things under control. The best thing I have found for dealing with 
this mold is the magnetic multipulser sold by Jaguar Enterprises. Unfortunately 
they don't seem to be open for business at present, and I returned my 
multipulser to them for repair 2 months ago and have heard nothing since.

Best wishes,

Paul H




  - Original Message - 
  From: Sally Khanna 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 6:15 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>Asthma


  No offense intended, but how do you know it was mold being flushed out?  
Couldn't it have been dried blood?

  Sally

  brick...@aol.com wrote:
:
  things that contain mold spores are not only cheese, but anything 
According to Hulda Clark bread, peanuts, popcorn, flour are mold sources. 
Best bread for low mold is unwrapped like the bread sold in Mexico. Bread 
wrapped in plastic is most likely moldy. 
Question, Is it OK to use a compressor type nebulizer for CS? The asthma 
med people on local TV told me they are having problems with ultra sonic 
nebulizers and better luck with compressor type nebulizers. A compressor 
nebulizer seems to be similar to the air brush recommended by Brooks Bradley. 
My Omron compressor type nebulizer using the mixture for sinus flushes has not 
stopped my wheezing from asthma.
I increased my sinus flushes from 100 ml CS to 500ml CS and mixed MSM, 
DMSO, Xylitol, GSE, and H2O2. The CS was cooked till it turned brown like 30 
PPM. More black mold flushed from my sinus.  Good clear CS did not show the 
mold being flushed out.
Brickey

Re: CS>Asthma

[Sharon Cooper]

Peanut butter is OK?

I am going to have to start trying the exclusion diet. He will hate 
that. He is addicted to yogurt right now but he really goes through 
phases.


On the topic of breastfeeding.  He was adopted so I did try to 
breastfeed but he really didn't get a lot of nutritional value, he was 
eating a lot right from the start, and I wasn't producing any milk for 
a couple of months. It was more a bonding thing.


If I just assume he is immune compromised from that, where should I go 
to look for a diet for him that will rebuild his immune system? He only 
got a couple of ear infections but I used either olive oil, or Olive 
oil and CS and nipped them in the bud. He also had this wierd fungus 
under his neck ( in the folds ) when he was really little that the 
naturopath gave me a copper powder mix for, and it cured that real 
quick.


I managed to avoid getting him vaccinated once we had him home, but he 
did have Hep B in the hospital at one day of age ( cretins ). I 
supposed that was unavoidable since his birth mom is a low income black 
woman who they were bound to assume all sorts of things about. Poor 
kid.


Thanks for all the great info folks!
Sharon

P.S. this list has really helped me with both my kids health issues 
now. DD no longer has episodes of bladder infection, and although it 
wasn't CS that cured them, I did snag a lot of information from here 
and from the rest of the net about allergies and what they can actually 
cause that helped to clue me in to her allergies. I think Christine or 
someone else posted a while back about what can be done to get rid of 
your allergies, I would love to see that topic come up again.


This is such a great resource, I am so grateful that you all are here 
and sharing what you know!

Kudo's to Mike for creating it.


On Nov 23, 2004, at 3:31 PM, Paul Holloway wrote:


From my personal experience:
Soya sauce, vinegars, any store juices (freshly squeezed are OK), some 
spices (black pepper for example), food additives like MSG and the 
newer inosinates and sodium guanylate, dried fruit and peanut butter. 
I only react to blue cheeses, thankfully. An exclusion diet for a 
while then reintroducing suspect foods one by one is the only 
practical way to find out for sure.

 
Paul H
- Original Message -
From: Sally Khanna
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent:Tuesday, November 23, 2004 4:13 PM
Subject:Re: CS>Asthma

I would say yes, but I'm only speaking from my experience and I'm not 
a doctor.   My allergist was a teacher also, and taught me to be my 
own sleuth when it casme to what would trigger asthma.  things that 
contain mold spores are not only cheese, but anything fermented and 
even food that is more than two days old.  That means watch out for 
leftovers.

 
Sally

Sharon Cooper wrote:
That was the second opinion. I suppose I could get a third but I think
that I will get a similar line with all the allopathic docs. They seem
to think that because they have reduced the dose on inhaled steroids it
is o.k. to take them longer. I just had a discussion with DH and we
both think we can link all the attacks to episodes of mold exposure.
Does this mean he should also avoid foods made with mold such as
cheeses?
Sharon

Re: CS>Asthma

[Garnet]

I saw the same type of dark masses from my sinuses and in the sputum
from my lungs when I was very ill with mold fume poisoning. I had my
lungs cultured and my daughters. Both returned penicillium, two species
of aspergillus and candida.

Garnet


On Wed, 2004-11-24 at 01:18, brick...@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 11/23/2004 10:15:52 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> khann...@yahoo.com writes:
> No offense intended, but how do you know it was mold being
> flushed out?  Couldn't it have been dried blood?
>  
> 
> Paul Holloway reported in a post earlier that brown CS helps to get
> rid of mold from sinusus. He identified the mold as Aspergillus from
> his experience working in a Lab. I have seen blood several times
> and it is very different from the mold. The black stuff is in clusters
> and tied together.
> Brickey


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Re: CS>Asthma

[Brickeyk]

In a message dated 11/23/2004 10:15:52 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
khann...@yahoo.com writes:
No offense intended, but how do you know it was mold being flushed out?  
Couldn't it have been dried blood?

Paul Holloway reported in a post earlier that brown CS helps to get rid of 
mold from sinusus. He identified the mold as Aspergillus from his experience 
working in a Lab. I have seen blood several times and it is very different from 
the mold. The black stuff is in clusters and tied together.
Brickey