RE: CSRadiations Levels Hit an All-Time High Yesterday 140+ Midlands
Bob, Please give references for these figures; I've generally relied on radiationnetwork.com for static 'on-the-ground' radiation levels. I have not found any reference that backs up your statement that Hazmat considers a radiation level of 100 counts per minute represents an emergency condition. TIA for your response, Malcolm On Tue, 2014-01-07 at 07:53 -0800, Bob Banever wrote: RaVen, I'll give a short reply now. Have to get to work. Radiation levels at 36,000 feet are much higher than at ground. Normally that is also true, but normal at 36K feet would be 100 CPM or slightly above. Now they are finding readings in the 1000 CPM range. Hazmat emergency is 100 CPM at ground. In other words it's dangerous to fly now. NEVER go thru the x-ray machines. Get a pat down. Mushrooms grown in a hot house would probably be ok, and those grown outside may not be. No way of knowing without a measurement. Bob -Original Message- From: RaVen [mailto:aslra...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 7:29 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRadiations Levels Hit an All-Time High Yesterday 140+ Midlands Should we grow our own mushrooms at home? Is there a way to get non-toxic mushrooms - which mushroom is the best to removing toxins? Can you please clarify, Bob, about staying out of airplanes... do you mean radiation is worse in the plane - how does that work exactly? Does that mean radiation is more intense up in the air? I just took a plane ride to east coast from Colorado and it took a toll on my health. Now I'm wondering if it's radiation - (plus the xrays from the security check point). I cannot ingest any foods with iodine - with Hashimoto's thyroid disease- it makes me feel worse. What other non-iodine non-toxic foods/herbs/natural medicine I can take? RaVen On Jan 7, 2014, at 8:22 AM, Bob Banever bbane...@earthlink.net wrote: Mushrooms are great absorbers of radiation. The problem is the mushrooms we buy may already be contaminated with it. If so we would be ingesting the very things we're trying to get rid of. BTW... stay out of airplanes if possible. Average CPM readings at 36,000 feet are around 900 CPM... normal for that level is 100 or less. Fukushima is showing it's hand up there big time. -Original Message- From: Vicky [mailto:k2p2...@centurytel.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 7:15 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSRadiations Levels Hit an All-Time High Yesterday 140+ Midlands Check out Paul Stamets, he did an experiment growing mushrooms on a pile of sludge for the military along with a few other companies and his was the only one that changed the sludge to life giving soil. It's the power of mycelium. Check out his TED talk, very informative. V -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSList action
Well, yes. Life in the boonies still has it's umm, compensations Soon, though; a dish perhaps? Take care, M. On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 08:57 -0500, M.G. Devour wrote: Another aspect of this: Is there anybody here whose internet connection is still so slow or expensive that they wouldn't be able to handle visiting a forum, rather than receiving e-mails? Be well, Mike D. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOT and borax ( fleas? ants!)
Hi, I don't know about boron, the element, but borax is definitely deadly to ants of various persuasions that live around my area, from sugar ants to leaf-miners with a few big ol' meanies in-between. Apparently it tastes like sugar to them (though who figured that out I dunno?) They take it back to the nest where it wipes out the entire colony. I've never had to band it around the house or garden - as a matter of fact I'd think rain would dissolve it? - I just put it where they are coming and going, with something overhead to keep the rain and dew off if necessary - and they do the rest. Take care, Malcolm On Wed, 2009-09-30 at 18:38 -0400, zzekel...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 9/30/2009 3:49:31 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, fuzzm...@frontier.com writes: I've also heard it's good for fleas? Is it? I have read that it works, also as an ant other creepys barrier when put in a 2 line around the outside of your house...Haven't tried it. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSDMSO and poke
Hi Steve; There are a number of mushrooms that contain anti-viral compounds; most of the research on this topic as well as other medicinal qualities of fungi has been done in China or Japan. Check out Mycomedicinals by Paul Stamets. Available from Fungi Perfecti, P.O. Box 7634 Olympia, WA 98507 or go to: http://www.fungi.com/ I'd also highly recommend his book Mycelium Running Take care, Malcolm On Wed, 2009-09-30 at 18:30 -0500, Norton, Steve wrote: Doug, I certainly agree that pokeweed is interesting. Both in it's unique antiviral properties: Three well-known different pokeweed antiviral protein (PAP)isoforms from the leaves of the pokeweed (PAP-I from spring leaves, PAPII from early summer leaves, and PAP-III from late summer leaves) that cause concentration-dependent depurination of genomic virus RNA. And there is the pokeweed mitogen. I have not come across mitogens in any other plant, although there may be some with mitogens. And in it's immune stimulating properties. I have to admit that the roots worry me a little since they, along with any red parts of the plant (not including the berries), contains the highest amount of toxins. The berries are the lowest as long as you do not eat the seeds. When I grew up in Kentucky, pokeweed would be found anywhere you did not cut or weed regularly. I have yet to see it in CA where I live now. I see that you offer pokeweed for sale or trade on your site. What are your prices for shoots, roots, leaves and berries and when are the seasons for each? I would like enough berries for a pie and some jelly to try. The rest would be for tincturing. Except for some shoots that I may cook if there are enough. Thanks, Steve N -Original Message- From: polo [mailto:dah...@centurytel.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 2:57 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSDMSO and poke Steve, I recommend a pure (upper 90s%) DMSO menstruum (herbal solvent), if you are planning on tincturing the fresh green herb. If you are tincturing dry herbs, I would go with the recommended ratios that are traditionally used and varies from herb to herb. For instance it is recommended that when you tincture dry poke root, you use a 50% ethanol/50% water solution, so I would likewise use a 50% DMSO/50% water solution. Just substitute the DMSO for ethanol. DMSO should not need a preservative if used at the higher strengths, just like ethanol. Things usually do not grow in DMSO as they do not in ethanol, presuming the strength is high. I would not be afraid of herbal tinctures 30% or higher in DMSO concentrations. I mostly only use High purity DMSO in my tincturing process and I have yet to have a tincture spoil. I have never tried to combine DMSO and ethanol as a combination menstruum. Interesting concept! I can only see an advantage to this from a solvent standpoint if both solvents can extract components of an herb, if one by itself could not. If you are only adding DMSO to provide a more efficient vehicle of herbal drug delivery, then yes, that might be an advantage too, though most people detest DMSO. You could extract the herb by either using a combined DMSO/ethanol menstruum or just tincturing each herb in a DMSO or ethanol menstruum then combining the two. Either way should be ok to my way of thinking. The eclectic medical movement that specialized in botanical medicines from the late 1800s up till 1932 or so, found that the best poke root tincture was made directly from the fresh green poke root. The dry poke root is no where near as good or potent. The toxic qualities of poke weed are highly exaggerated. No doubt if you ate the mature weed like you would the young one or as you would any salad, you would suffer gastro-intestinal distress, but that's about it--puking. In some circles, it is felt that vomiting as a result of poke root is actually cathartic. This is held mainly by the puke cleanse old time herbalists. I would not be worried about the widely publicized toxicity of poke. I know you will find that some young children in the long ago past were said to be poisoned by the berry. Maybe so. We don't know how much they ate, nor if they were compromised in some way or if younger systems are more susceptible. In the adult, poke berries were commonly used for arthritic conditions. As the old cliché goes, all things are poison in the right amounts and most poisons are medicinal in smaller amounts. Poke is no different. It is one of my favorite herbs and a superb anti-viral and lymphatic stimulant. It is great as a topical DMSO tincture. doug - Original Message - Doug, A little while back I asked you about making tinctures with DMSO (using the email address provided at your web site). If I remember right you recommended a 50% DMSO solution. Thanks for the info. I was wondering
Re: CS Native American stories--OT
I know what you mean. I'm reminded of a remark I once heard; I have two speeds, slow and stop. If you don't like this one you sure won't be happy with the other. On Wed, 2009-09-30 at 20:41 -0700, Sandy wrote: Hi Donna... It is sad the way some people treat others but if we learn from it [in a good way] then we will teach our children not to be prejudice. The man who refused to buy a horse from your Grandfather shows how little he knew because it is a well known fact the Cherokee have a wonderful way with horses. I have found that many people do not know how to act around handicapped people...I feel for your daughter. I had a stroke 6 years ago and do not walk very fast and I have had people honk at me to hurry up and get across the the street...they are in such a hurry they could care less that I might have a problem walking. The funny thing is when someone tries to rush me I get excited and go twice as slow...lol. Sandy From: Donna dscroggs44...@gmail.com Subject: Re: CS Native American stories--OT To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 7:39 PM Sandy, Glad you shared your story! It is sad the way people have been so cruel to others. I know being from Cherokee my Grandfather use to deal with alot of discrimination. He had a farm and one time a man came looking to buy a horse from my Grandfather but the man ended up not buying it saying he would never trust an Indian and would not pay him a dime for his horse. I raised my children to be respectful to everyone and not to be prejudice. I also have a handicapped daughter and young children would come up to her wheelchair and ask why she can't walk and their parents would pull them away. I would always try to answer them to let them know. I feel sorry for these kids that are taught prejudice by their ignorant parents, children are not born that way. Donna ACS -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOT and borax ( fleas? ants!)
I don't know; it's certainly cheap enough, give it a whirl. I get mine at the feed store, but loaned the box out and it hasn't come back. Take care, M. On Fri, 2009-10-02 at 13:18 -0400, Marshall Dudley wrote: Will fire ants take it? Marshall Malcolm wrote: Hi, I don't know about boron, the element, but borax is definitely deadly to ants of various persuasions that live around my area, from sugar ants to leaf-miners with a few big ol' meanies in-between. Apparently it tastes like sugar to them (though who figured that out I dunno?) They take it back to the nest where it wipes out the entire colony. I've never had to band it around the house or garden - as a matter of fact I'd think rain would dissolve it? - I just put it where they are coming and going, with something overhead to keep the rain and dew off if necessary - and they do the rest. Take care, Malcolm -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOT and borax ( fleas? ants!)
Hi Marshall, I don't know how fire ants respond to borax (Not 20 mule team, or boraxo, BTW) but the leaf -miners go for it as do the red ants which live in the dead white and black oaks around here; I do not believe they are sugar eaters per-se, and they'll munch a mouse carcass if the yellow-jackets don't beat them to it. Whoever made the rather shaky determination that borax tastes like sugar to ants may have drawn an unsupportable conclusion. I'd suggest we could learn more - well, you could - by putting some by a fire ant trail or nest and seeing what happens. I don't have fire ants - yet, anyway - and hope devoutly not to. Take care, M. On Mon, 2009-10-05 at 12:25 -0400, Marshall Dudley wrote: So I guess mixing with soybean or peanut meal would be a good choice. Or do they only go for animal proteins? Marshall Renee wrote: Probably not, unless you mix it with meat or some protein they like. The standard thing for 'regular' ants is mixing borax with sugar. But fire ants don't bother with sweets. They go for protein. Samala, Renee /---Original Message---/ Will fire ants take it? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBone Spur
Dane Bramaged, Drat! On Sat, 2009-10-10 at 13:28 -0500, Garnet wrote: What about the 45% that can't read it? Might be a good test for dyslexia. Dyslexics untie! Garnet http://www.ldndatabase.com/forum http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_Information Dr Chris Steele, ITV's This Morning supporting LDN http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVpjsDK0LPA Alan Jones wrote: (My daughter recently forwarded this to me...) fi yuo cna raed tihs, yuo hvae a sgtrane mnid too Cna yuo raed tihs? Olny 55 plepoe out of 100 can. i cdnuolt20blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdanieg. The phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid, aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it dseno't mtaetr in waht oerdr the ltteres in a wrod are, the olny iproamtnt tihng is taht the frsit and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it whotuit a pboerlm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Azanmig huh? yaeh and I awlyas tghuhot slpeling was ipmorantt! if you can raed tihs forwrad it -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBone Spur . . .
Hi, CS,?? no. But CMO, maybe; ok, don't get mad now grin but CMO is Cerasomal cis-9 cetyl Myristoleate. I just want to make sure you find the right stuff if you go for it. Take care, Malcolm On Sat, 2009-10-10 at 14:36 -0400, Fuzzmom wrote: I won't. hey can c.,s. ease typing pain? I'm on this thing eight or nine hours a day smetimes. - Original Message - From: Norton, Steve To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 12:18 PM Subject: Re: CSBone Spur . . . I have vision problems too and typo errors are much more common than I like. You are not alone. Please don't leave for that. - Steve N __ From: sms s...@emotap.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sat Oct 10 10:37:15 2009 Subject: CSBone Spur . . . Rude Post by Dave Darrin From: Fuzzmom Date: 10/10/2009 7:32:24 AM Subject: Re: CSBone Spur . . . Rude Post by Dave Darrin I am visually impaired and i also have an old comp. with keys that stick. i am here for informationNot to criticize. I am sorry if posts are hard to read. And if this is how members feel I can unsub. __ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.9/2427 - Release Date: 10/10/09 06:39:00 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBone Spurs, Pots, and Kettles, Oh my! hoist by your own petard
On Sat, 2009-10-10 at 15:51 -0500, Annie B Smythe wrote: Ya know, I've been busy busy busy. snip That reply, if you truly meant it that way, shows a remarkable lack of compassion and regular old every day common human decency and respect for others. You need to get your head out of your A**. Hopefully you'll mouth off to someone in real life like that and they'll clean your clock but good! There's no excuse whatsoever for your attitude. Spelling errors are NOT the end of world! There is absolutely no excuse for making anyone feel bad, no matter what. snip Someone needs to take you out behind the barn and teach you some manners. snipetty snip, etc. A difference of opinion is one thing, but that was just awful. Annie -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSBone Spur . . . A Kind Post! What's wrong with you?! G(and TNX)
On Sat, 2009-10-10 at 15:19 -0700, Deborah Gerard wrote: I don't know what state your in but there is a national group on Yahoo that is called freecycle...if you need something you post for it...or if you have something to give away you can post that...here in Grand Rapids, Michigan we have a huge group and nine times out of ten you can usually get what you need for nothing. Hope this helps, Debbie __ From: Fuzzmom fuzzm...@frontier.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, October 10, 2009 11:34:46 AM Subject: Re: CSBone Spur . . . Rude Post by Dave Darrin Great..and usb is fine. Braille display is totally usb..no magnification to it it's a series of dots that pop up s you type..or at least the Try to eep up with typing speed. Expensive equipmet and malfunctioning too. But I don't have 8 grand so I live with that and do what I can. - Original Message - -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBone Spur . . .
Hi, it's on the net, I'll poke around and find some info; There used to be someone on some list I checked, that sold it in bulk, but he got out of the biz; more in a while, Malcolm On Sat, 2009-10-10 at 18:36 -0400, Fuzzmom wrote: Never heard of it where doyou find it is iit a health store item? - Original Message - From: Malcolm s...@asis.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 6:12 PM Subject: Re: CSBone Spur . . . Hi, CS,?? no. But CMO, maybe; ok, don't get mad now grin but CMO is Cerasomal cis-9 cetyl Myristoleate. I just want to make sure you find the right stuff if you go for it. Take care, Malcolm On Sat, 2009-10-10 at 14:36 -0400, Fuzzmom wrote: I won't. hey can c.,s. ease typing pain? I'm on this thing eight or nine hours a day smetimes. - Original Message - From: Norton, Steve To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 12:18 PM Subject: Re: CSBone Spur . . . I have vision problems too and typo errors are much more common than I like. You are not alone. Please don't leave for that. - Steve N __ From: sms s...@emotap.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sat Oct 10 10:37:15 2009 Subject: CSBone Spur . . . Rude Post by Dave Darrin From: Fuzzmom Date: 10/10/2009 7:32:24 AM Subject: Re: CSBone Spur . . . Rude Post by Dave Darrin I am visually impaired and i also have an old comp. with keys that stick. i am here for informationNot to criticize. I am sorry if posts are hard to read. And if this is how members feel I can unsub. __ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.9/2427 - Release Date: 10/10/09 06:39:00 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.9/2427 - Release Date: 10/10/09 06:39:00
fuzzmon; Re: CSBone Spur . . .RE:addressed
Not that it's any comfort, but I have an old brain, and sometimes it's keyes stic to0. But I don't think Dave meant to be rude to you: life is sometimes grim, some days are bad, and we take what relief we can, sometimes thoughtlessly. My father had a small note stuck above his workbench: Illegitum non-tatum carborundum It means Don't let the B-ds grind you down and a free translation would be: Don't unsub, ok? Malcolm -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBone Spurs, windmills,
Yeah, I do that too sometimes; but did you say windmill? Where? where
is the sucker? Whereisit, I'll Get that thing! Come Rosinante - to the
chase!
{clatter!Crash!}
OW! Damn, how do they do that??
Don Coyote
(apologies to Ode, but he ain't the only one)
On Sat, 2009-10-10 at 17:58 -0500, Annie B Smythe wrote:
Sigh, maybe so, that kind of behavior makes me see red. I'm pretty tame
most of the time, but I do tend to tilt at windmills. ; I'm not quite
as bad as I used to be :P
Annie
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Re: CSBone Spur . . . Rude Post by Dave Darrin
EdZackly, but we all do it - assume a context that may not be there. Well, except me, of course (not!) On Sat, 2009-10-10 at 19:38 -0500, Garnet wrote: How was Dave suppose to know there was a disability involved? Garnet Annie B Smythe wrote: But someone deliberately baiting a person with a disability makes me crazy. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS :* !? kewl
Neat-O! (:*) g Never saw that one before. Hey, it's been a slow week anyhow. On Sat, 2009-10-10 at 21:03 -0700, Sandy wrote: -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSequine nebulizer
Hi Garnet, Go to your local friendly thrift stores, look for ULTRASONIC humidifiers, the kind for whole rooms - not the personal face mask sort. Do like Ode said, take out their little filters(if present) in the bottom of the unit where the water from the tank goes to get to the ultrasonic disc, make sure that disc looks ok, not too crudded up, clean the whole thing up, and put your CS and/or DMSO in it and crank-'er up. Very fine mist, like fog; the best way I know. HTH, Malcolm On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 09:20 -0500, Garnet wrote: I don't have any resources other than to search veterinary supply sites. Some sell only to veterinarians. Can the hose be attached to a human full size nebulizer, if you have access to one. Have you asked your equine vet for help with this. Maybe he has one he will lend you or will help you locate one? Garnet -- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSequine nebulizer
Hi Garnet, I'd be interested in knowing how you - or whoever - arrived at this conclusion, since the ultrasonic element seems to be about the same in the one (only one) I've seen used for animals and the multitude I've seen for humans. My only point is that someone may have been trying to sell something on the basis of an advertisement, not facts. Consider what either of these do; the ultrasonic part is to assure the carrier, water, and content are not separated by distillation, as in steam, and are effectively delivered to the alveoli, not trapped in larger passageways as droplets like the whirly bird (for want of a better description) type humidifiers make. The idea that there could be a size of droplet that would be too small seems suspect, unless the idea was that the medication would be left behind by being dropped out or evaporated out of the solution being nebulized - which I think means fogged. And if that were the case, it would be useless for most of us warm-bloodeds. Most mammal lung tissue is kinda similar when you are talking about the alveolar level - has the same job, mainly getting CO2 out of the blood and O2 in; i.e. packing an enormous area of very thin tissue in intimate contact with the blood on one side and the atmosphere on the other into a reasonably compact and protected flexible space. Considering the minor cost of a used ultrasonic humidifier and the minor effort of cleaning and sanitizing it (what else is CS for, after all?) why not set aside some presumed (dare I say nebulous? g) theoretical perfection in the interest of getting the job done; the proof's in the results, not the ad copy. One additional note; how many nebulizers does a veterinarian have to have to treat the numerous mammalian and avian species that come through the clinic door? Give you a clue? Does me. . . . HTH, Malcolm On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 10:01 -0500, Garnet wrote: The issue of droplet size is that there is an optimal size above or below which the medication is not delivered deep into lung tissue. Room humidifiers do not make the same size droplet as a nebulizer. You can research the specs on droplet size or speak to someone who sells various nebulizers and knows the specs. It's been some time ago that I researched this for myself when I was looking at purchasing a nebulizer and many on this list were discussing adapting room humidifiers. If that is all you have then it is better than nothing but an ultrasonic humidifier is not equivalent to an ultrasonic nebulizer. That is my only point. Garnet -- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Very_Low_Dose_Naltrexone http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_Information Dr Chris Steele, ITV's This Morning supporting LDN http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVpjsDK0LPA -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSequine nebulizer
Plain old feed bag would probably do, huh? Doesn't have to be an airtight seal. On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 16:53 -0500, Dan Nave wrote: I wonder if it isn't more a matter of being able to attach it properly to the animal face-mask apparatus. Dan On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Malcolm s...@asis.com wrote: Hi Garnet, I'd be interested in knowing how you - or whoever - arrived at this conclusion, since the ultrasonic element seems to be about the same in the one (only one) I've seen used for animals and the multitude I've seen for humans. My only point is that someone may have been trying to sell something on the basis of an advertisement, not facts. Consider what either of these do; the ultrasonic part is to assure the carrier, water, and content are not separated by distillation, as in steam, and are effectively delivered to the alveoli, not trapped in larger passageways as droplets like the whirly bird (for want of a better description) type humidifiers make. The idea that there could be a size of droplet that would be too small seems suspect, unless the idea was that the medication would be left behind by being dropped out or evaporated out of the solution being nebulized - which I think means fogged. And if that were the case, it would be useless for most of us warm-bloodeds. Most mammal lung tissue is kinda similar when you are talking about the alveolar level - has the same job, mainly getting CO2 out of the blood and O2 in; i.e. packing an enormous area of very thin tissue in intimate contact with the blood on one side and the atmosphere on the other into a reasonably compact and protected flexible space. Considering the minor cost of a used ultrasonic humidifier and the minor effort of cleaning and sanitizing it (what else is CS for, after all?) why not set aside some presumed (dare I say nebulous? g) theoretical perfection in the interest of getting the job done; the proof's in the results, not the ad copy. One additional note; how many nebulizers does a veterinarian have to have to treat the numerous mammalian and avian species that come through the clinic door? Give you a clue? Does me. . . . HTH, Malcolm On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 10:01 -0500, Garnet wrote: The issue of droplet size is that there is an optimal size above or below which the medication is not delivered deep into lung tissue. Room humidifiers do not make the same size droplet as a nebulizer. You can research the specs on droplet size or speak to someone who sells various nebulizers and knows the specs. It's been some time ago that I researched this for myself when I was looking at purchasing a nebulizer and many on this list were discussing adapting room humidifiers. If that is all you have then it is better than nothing but an ultrasonic humidifier is not equivalent to an ultrasonic nebulizer. That is my only point. Garnet -- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Very_Low_Dose_Naltrexone http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_Information Dr Chris Steele, ITV's This Morning supporting LDN http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVpjsDK0LPA -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSequine nebulizer
Hi Garnet, Thanks for your reply; I went on ebay and couldn't find an Omron unit, though I did see some rather interesting pieces of plastic; basketballs, duckies, spaceships (I think), and a few super-expensive (by my standards, $250) ones which pre-heated the water and controlled that temp Digitally! It used a titanium nitrite(sic) element - I expect it was a misprint for titanium nitride, but also expect it is no more effective at nebulizing water than the older barium nitride or the cheaper magnetostrictive elements common in such units as the KAZ and many others, the trick being the frequency at which the water is agitated by the element - usually around 42,000 cycles per second by whatever does the agitating. I exclude the handheld, personal or whatever units, in favor of the room-sized ones categorically, since the idea is to get a medication or whatever into the animals lungs in a reasonable time, and I expect you know better than I that a horse breathes a LOT of air. So, in short: Let the buyer beware. Meanwhile I'll attempt to check further and find the tech literature you refer to, or contact an Omron or Swiss-Air dealer. Take care, Malcolm On Sat, 2009-10-17 at 12:54 -0500, Garnet wrote: What I did was look at the specs on various nebulizers on line and noticed that even between nebulizer units there is a difference in droplet size, the smaller handheld units had larger droplet sizes, although this may not be true now since Omron has come out with a new technology in their hand held unit. The idea of the droplet being too small was mentioned to me by a seller of the new Omron US unit. You can call him and ask him since he would know much more than I do. He sells the new unit on eBay which is where I found his email, he is in Texas. Garnet -- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Very_Low_Dose_Naltrexone http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_Information Dr Chris Steele, ITV's This Morning supporting LDN http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVpjsDK0LPA Malcolm wrote: Hi Garnet, I'd be interested in knowing how you - or whoever - arrived at this conclusion, since the ultrasonic element seems to be about the same in the one (only one) I've seen used for animals and the multitude I've seen for humans. My only point is that someone may have been trying to sell something on the basis of an advertisement, not facts. Consider what either of these do; the ultrasonic part is to assure the carrier, water, and content are not separated by distillation, as in steam, and are effectively delivered to the alveoli, not trapped in larger passageways as droplets like the whirly bird (for want of a better description) type humidifiers make. The idea that there could be a size of droplet that would be too small seems suspect, unless the idea was that the medication would be left behind by being dropped out or evaporated out of the solution being nebulized - which I think means fogged. And if that were the case, it would be useless for most of us warm-bloodeds. Most mammal lung tissue is kinda similar when you are talking about the alveolar level - has the same job, mainly getting CO2 out of the blood and O2 in; i.e. packing an enormous area of very thin tissue in intimate contact with the blood on one side and the atmosphere on the other into a reasonably compact and protected flexible space. Considering the minor cost of a used ultrasonic humidifier and the minor effort of cleaning and sanitizing it (what else is CS for, after all?) why not set aside some presumed (dare I say nebulous? g) theoretical perfection in the interest of getting the job done; the proof's in the results, not the ad copy. One additional note; how many nebulizers does a veterinarian have to have to treat the numerous mammalian and avian species that come through the clinic door? Give you a clue? Does me. . . . HTH, Malcolm On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 10:01 -0500, Garnet wrote: The issue of droplet size is that there is an optimal size above or below which the medication is not delivered deep into lung tissue. Room humidifiers do not make the same size droplet as a nebulizer. You can research the specs on droplet size or speak to someone who sells various nebulizers and knows the specs. It's been some time ago that I researched this for myself when I was looking at purchasing a nebulizer and many on this list were discussing adapting room humidifiers. If that is all you have then it is better than nothing but an ultrasonic humidifier is not equivalent to an ultrasonic nebulizer. That is my only point. Garnet -- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Very_Low_Dose_Naltrexone http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_Information Dr Chris Steele, ITV's This Morning supporting LDN http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVpjsDK0LPA -- The Silver List is a moderated
Re: CSOT but Cool
Uh-oh, otherwise extinguished? On Sun, 2009-10-18 at 10:57 -0400, zzekel...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 10/14/2009 7:20:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, stephen.nor...@ngc.com writes: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/13/science/space/13lhc.html?_r=4pagewanted=all A pair of otherwise distinguished physicists have suggested that the hypothesized Higgs boson, which physicists hope to produce with the collider, might be so abhorrent to nature that its creation would ripple backward through time and stop the collider before it could make one, like a time traveler who goes back in time to kill his grandfather. - Steve N Is this for 2012- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSequine nebulizer
Hi Garnet, Thanks for the links. The compressor nebs produce aerosols or fogs of coarser droplet size than the ultrasonic. I believe the question of nebulizing soluble meds for a horse entered the discussion before I entered it. I'm focused on human use. The lit. on the Omron vibrating mesh is interesting, and the fact that it delivers all the material, unlike the commoner desktop US types is worthy of note. The technology reminds me of the inkjet, though the principle is somewhat different - the inkjets employ heat to blow (boil) a bubble of ink onto the paper whereas the VMT US still employ a piezoelectric element with tiny holes in a very small mesh screen. Btw, the very tiny holes may be fine for strict medical use under appropriate supervision and the use of pure individual dosage units, but it wouldn't take more than spider-spit to plug one of these screens up; I haven't braced Omron with this question, but I've got so many of the old tabletop types around I doubt I'll find incentive for the advanced style; in any case, one might look into the limitations on their guarantees. Particle size is somewhat a matter of choice with the vibrating mesh as well as the standard ultrasonic nebs, size being governed by the applied frequency, and for the mesh the aperture size as well. This raises the question of whether the rather wider spread of particle sizes available from the more usual US tabletop units of reasonable power might be of some benefit. For what difference it makes to our discussion, there are nebulizers for industrial and research purposes that employ frequencies of up to 3 to 5 Megahertz, the mesh is not necessary nor desireable for these extremely fine dispersions, and I'd bet not necessary for most mammalian applications. Take care, Malcolm Anyhow, your posts have led me to look into the subject a little, and I appreciate that. On Sun, 2009-10-18 at 14:26 -0500, Garnet wrote: Here is a table top unit that may be sufficient for a horse: http://cgi.ebay.com/Table-Desk-top-POWER-NEB-Nebulizer-Compressor-AEROSOL_W0QQitemZ270388545665QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ef469c881#ht_1730wt_868 Here is the info on the new hand held that included a phone number for the supplier who I talked to about the particle size. He may be able to advise you to match prices with other eBay offers. OMRON NE-U22v BATTERY PORTABLE NEBULIZER http://cgi.ebay.com/OMRON-NE-U22v-BATTERY-PORTABLE-NEBULIZER-BRAND-NEW_W0QQitemZ290354476753QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item439a79b6d1#ht_630wt_1167 Sold By SecureNet Medical, Ltd, Quitman TX ph# 888-255-2509 Garnet -- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Very_Low_Dose_Naltrexone http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_Information Dr Chris Steele, ITV's This Morning supporting LDN http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVpjsDK0LPA Malcolm wrote: Hi Garnet, Thanks for your reply; I went on ebay and couldn't find an Omron unit, though I did see some rather interesting pieces of plastic; basketballs, duckies, spaceships (I think), and a few super-expensive (by my standards, $250) ones which pre-heated the water and controlled that temp Digitally! It used a titanium nitrite(sic) element - I expect it was a misprint for titanium nitride, but also expect it is no more effective at nebulizing water than the older barium nitride or the cheaper magnetostrictive elements common in such units as the KAZ and many others, the trick being the frequency at which the water is agitated by the element - usually around 42,000 cycles per second by whatever does the agitating. I exclude the handheld, personal or whatever units, in favor of the room-sized ones categorically, since the idea is to get a medication or whatever into the animals lungs in a reasonable time, and I expect you know better than I that a horse breathes a LOT of air. So, in short: Let the buyer beware. Meanwhile I'll attempt to check further and find the tech literature you refer to, or contact an Omron or Swiss-Air dealer. Take care, Malcolm On Sat, 2009-10-17 at 12:54 -0500, Garnet wrote: What I did was look at the specs on various nebulizers on line and noticed that even between nebulizer units there is a difference in droplet size, the smaller handheld units had larger droplet sizes, although this may not be true now since Omron has come out with a new technology in their hand held unit. The idea of the droplet being too small was mentioned to me by a seller of the new Omron US unit. You can call him and ask him since he would know much more than I do. He sells the new unit on eBay which is where I found his email, he is in Texas. Garnet -- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Very_Low_Dose_Naltrexone http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_Information Dr Chris Steele, ITV's This Morning supporting LDN http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVpjsDK0LPA
Re: CSRaw Cider Vinegar
Hi Kirsteen and Sol, I'm not dogmatic about this, you can check it out for yourselves, but as with wine, many fermentation processes are self-limiting; i.e., the alcohol or acetic acid or whatever the bugs produce in a limited environment like a wine or vinegar vat or a saurkraut crock eventually poisons them and so limits the fermentation process. This is not to say NONE of them survive, or perhaps more significantly their spores. OTOH, there are a number of aerobic and even partially anaerobic organisms lumped into the yeast category, with widely varying products of fermentation or other exudates depending on their environment. The commonest example is baker's/brewer's yeast which can produce alcohol and/or carbon dioxide depending on the concentrations of not only air, CO2, and alcohol but also temperature. The kingdom of fungi, from molds and yeasts to mushrooms and other strange beasts like walking slime molds is phylogenetically more like us than any bacterium, archaeo- or complex. This makes it much more difficult to defend ourselves against their involvement with us and much more risky to try to poison them out of our systems; we're much more likely to poison ourselves as well. An interesting book you might find enjoyable as well as informative about fungi: Magical Mushrooms, Mischevious Molds by George W. Hudler Take care, Malcolm On Sat, 2009-10-24 at 11:49 -0600, sol wrote: Kirsteen Wright wrote: Hi, can anyone give me some advice please. I've recently started taking the raw cider vinegar in water. However, I've recently had a food intolerance test done and came up strongly positive for yeast (among other things). Obviously I have to avoid yeast and I believe this includes vinegar. Does this also include the raw cider vinegar? My own opinion is it would mean raw cider vinegar. It is not pasteurized so the yeasts in it are alive. sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRaw Cider Vinegar
On Sat, 2009-10-24 at 19:59 +0100, Kirsteen Wright wrote: Thanks for all the advice everyone. Of course, I'm still thoroughly confused VBG. I don't have candida (at least not as far as I know :-) But the food intolerance test definitely showed a strong reaction to yeast. So if the yeast is live I guess I should be avoiding it? On the other hand I have low HCL (in fact I take a supplement for that) and was hoping the raw apple cider vinegar would help with that. Why is life so complicated :-) Because We are. Find out WHAT yeast and how determined; i.e., skin test, etc. be wary of simplistic blanket judgements; try a food elimination test as with allergies. How do you do with mushrooms? Thanks Kirsteen For adding to the confusion? oh, well. M. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CScs and pets
Hi, this might be an intestinal obstruction -- hair ball. Often an oil or butter (or Petromalt) will grease the way and the cat will eliminate it one way or the other; sometimes not and the wad remains stuck in the intestine. If things don't improve with CS get some advice locally from a pro; local humane society or animal shelter?. HTH, Malcolm On Mon, 2009-10-26 at 01:46 -0400, Stacy Rappaport wrote: Has anyone used cs to help and ailing pet? what type of dosage and frequency did you use? My cat of 5 years is suddenly losing weight and not eating much. Thank you. stacy -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSsilver rods darkening
Prob'ly Ken can answer this best, but a few things come to mind; The green scrubby's often have soap in them or other contaminants. Polishing the silver would not be necessary in any case, mild soap, water and three good rinses in distilled after they're cleaned, a clean fresh paper towel after. The white scrubbers are the best, ones without any grit in them. What was your vessel made of? I like mason jars, plastic can sometimes lead to problems. The H2O2 may have had something in it, particularly if it was diluted down from the high-grade stuff at 35% concentration. Anything like that 35% stuff has to have a stabilizer in it or the H2O2 will degrade, particularly in light and sometimes violently. (In fact any concentration or H2O2 will degrade in light.) The point being you may have contaminated your vessel. Of course it may have had something in it, like dried soap film or what-have-you from previous usage or dishwasher soap (Dries Streak-Free! Oh, yeah!); the best is again mild soap and rinse squeaky clean, trust your freshly thoroughly washed and rinsed fingers to look with; rinse w/distilled water three times, put upside down on paper towel to dry. Put your distilled into the vessel, Then check your purity. A TDS meter is sometimes a pretty blunt tool, EC meter that reads in tenths of a U-Siemens is best, but run what you got. Both rods? Were you running swap? Black sounds like silver oxide exposed to light - like photo-sensitivity, huh? HTH, Malcolm On Sat, 2009-10-31 at 00:17 -0400, Catherine Creel wrote: Hi All, I know this question has been answered before. Unfortunately, I can't recall the answer. I set up to make some CS the other night (I'm using the Silver Puppy). I cleaned my silver rods with a clean green scrubbing pad until they looked shiny. I used steam distilled water and checked it with a TDS prior to beginning. I also cleaned my vessel with 3% H2o2 and let it thoroughly dry. 1.5 hours later my rods were covered in black and wisps of black were in the bottom of my glass. What happened? Thanks. -- Regards, Catherine -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSore throat...
No, but H2O2 might be good as a booster like nitrous oxide - chemical supercharging. Many ford diesel rigs use propane injection; imagine that plus some ~50% H2O2; might could blow the heads off. OTOH there was a story on Darwin Awards; someone who removed himself from the gene pool, strapped two JATO bottles under his chevy (out in the SW desert somewhere). The chevy and he were later found about 50 feet up implanted in a cliff a mile or so away from the scorch marks. Hope this doesn't help. Malcolm On Sat, 2009-10-31 at 20:11 -0700, Bob Banever wrote: Ode, Very cool. Would this motor have any use in the automobile? Bob - Original Message - From: Lisa blacksa...@comcast.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 7:13 PM Subject: RE: CSSore throat... I have always found it quite interesting and amazing that stuff like this can be so powerful and corrosive, yet it can be stored in a plastic bottle! Lisa -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@windstream.net] Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 6:17 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSSore throat... ## Meaning that. if you dipped a hand in 100% H2O2, you'd pull back a stump. It is, quite literally rocket fuel and is also a very powerful organic oxidizer. The Bell Rocket Pack uses 80100% H2O2 sprayed over a grid of silver wire [catalytic bed] to instantly produce high pressure steam as a propellent. http://www.student.montefiore.ulg.ac.be/~teney/h2o2propulsion.htm You'll find here some stuff related to rocket propulsion using hydrogen peroxide (H2O2). For the newcomers, hydrogen peroxide is a colourless, dense (1.36 at 85%), corrosive liquid, storable at ambient temperature/pressure, that can be used as oxidizer or monopropellant in rocket engines. It's only useful at high concentrations ( 80%), but unfortunately, such concentrated product isn't commercially avalaible, and has thus to be manufactured from lower concentration product. I personnally achieve this by selective evaporation, at moderate temperatures for safety. This is a potentially dangerous operation, since peroxide vapours can be explosive, and it should surely not be undertaken by anyone. I've started designing an hypergolic hybrid rocket motor, which burns polyethylene and uses 85% hydrogen peroxide as oxidizer. Hypergolic ignition is achieved using a consumable catalytic bed, mainly made of potassium permanganate. It decomposes the peroxide as soon as it is injected in the combustion chamber, creating a stream of superheated steam and oxygen, which then causes the polyethylene grain to auto-ignite. As far as I know, this motor is (one of ?) the first amateur hydrogen peroxide hybrid in the world. Ode At 08:13 PM 10/30/2009 -0500, you wrote: Any time someone is talking about H2O2 it is a good rule of thumb to remember that you don't want to be applying it externally or internally at any concentration greater than about 3%, which is the concentration of over-the-counter H2O2. Yes, food grade is better but, as it is usually a 35% concentration, you should know how to dilute it with distilled water or CS to the correct strength. Notice that food grade is often 10 times stronger than the safe-to-use over-the-counter H2O2. Dan On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 9:09 AM, Lisa mailto:blacksa...@comcast.netblacksa...@comcast.net wrote: Thanks for all the info (I KNEW I could count on you folks J) I don't have a nebulizer (it's on the list though) and with the h202 - is that food grade? And straight or should it be diluted? I gargled a couple times before going to bed last night.woke up this morning and it was still there and had a dose of MMS (after taking several days off) and it's better! I'll continue to gargle and clean the toothbrush and the h202 gargle. Thanks again.with 3 little ones and Daddy on business travel - I honestly can't get that sick without the entire house falling apart for its duration! L -- From: Scotty [mailto:scottie592...@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 9:55 AM To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSSore throat... CS:DMSO nebulized (9:1 ratio) for 5 to 10 minutes, at least 2x per day. Also, gargle with H202 followed immediately with gargling CS. Mine was gone in two days and kept the bug from entering my lungs! Awesome stuff! Scott With God, all things are possible. - Mark 10:27 --- On Fri, 10/30/09, Lisa mailto:blacksa...@comcast.netblacksa...@comcast.net wrote: From: Lisa mailto:blacksa...@comcast.netblacksa...@comcast.net Subject: CSSore throat... To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com, mailto:miracle_mineral_supplem...@yahoogroups.commiracle_mineral_supplem e...@yahoogroups.com
Re: CSIndi
Well, MaryAnn, I think Mark Antony did something obversely similar when he opened his oration in the play by Shakespeare: I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him. and proceeded to castigate Brutus and the senate for assassinating Caesar on the senate floor. One thing you could say in favor of Indi's behavior - she was direct, honest and forthright in expressing herself; no sideways little digs. Got it? Malcolm On Thu, 2009-11-05 at 06:13 -0800, MaryAnn Helland wrote: She certainly is. The shame is that she just couldn't convey her opinions without rudeness and condescension. I realize that there are a couple of people on this list who will object to my opinion on this topic -- so I won't discuss it further -- except to say that it's a relief to me to not have to read her negative-ness on a daily basis. MA __ From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, November 5, 2009 3:57:17 AM Subject: Re: CSIndi Oh what a shame, she is a very knowledgeable person. dee On 4 Nov 2009, at 20:16, MaryAnn Helland wrote: Dee -- Indi voluntarily left the list several months ago -- rather than comply with Mike's request to *play nice*. MA -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSlanguage
... so I won't discuss it further -- except to say that it's a relief to me to not have to read her negative-ness on a daily basis. MA Or: 'I won't discuss it further, except to discuss it further' And further, and further . . . ... The shame is that she just couldn't convey her opinions without rudeness and condescension. And you? You were both rude and condescending from the get, and I called you on it then. On Thu, 2009-11-05 at 13:40 -0800, MaryAnn Helland wrote: Well Malcolm, You're exactly who I expected to object to my post. Yup. After two days of them, you betcha! Praise?? exactly?? Tried to?? Once AGAIN?? How many times is that? Ah, yes; I remember now from the 'chicken squawk posts', the long-suffering, patient, but finally driven - forced - to mild remonstrance MaryAnn. The words with quotes above are not direct, not honest in any real sense and neither forthright nor called for in the context. Perhaps it's just a natural - if unrecognized - rhetorical talent in your speech? Perhaps not. And once again, you praise Indi for exactly what you tried to criticize in my post. My remarks were direct, honest and forthright. Nothing sideways about it. Please understand I do NOT object to your distaste for Indi or for her posts and expressed opinions, that is between the two of you. But if you can't see the nature and effect of your word usage . . . . . well, you can't; or maybe it's just too tempting, and the debbil makes you do it?? Got it? Shore; hey, sauce for the goose is indeed sauce for the gander; point for the dark side. g MA How 'bout moving this off topic (OS) or off list, the main question has been answered more than adequately; the rest is just frosting. Malcolm __ From: Malcolm s...@asis.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, November 5, 2009 2:01:29 PM Subject: Re: CSIndi Well, MaryAnn, I think Mark Antony did something obversely similar when he opened his oration in the play by Shakespeare: I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him. and proceeded to castigate Brutus and the senate for assassinating Caesar on the senate floor. One thing you could say in favor of Indi's behavior - she was direct, honest and forthright in expressing herself; no sideways little digs. Got it? Malcolm On Thu, 2009-11-05 at 06:13 -0800, MaryAnn Helland wrote: She certainly is. The shame is that she just couldn't convey her opinions without rudeness and condescension. I realize that there are a couple of people on this list who will object to my opinion on this topic -- so I won't discuss it further -- except to say that it's a relief to me to not have to read her negative-ness on a daily basis. MA __ From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, November 5, 2009 3:57:17 AM Subject: Re: CSIndi Oh what a shame, she is a very knowledgeable person. dee On 4 Nov 2009, at 20:16, MaryAnn Helland wrote: Dee -- Indi voluntarily left the list several months ago -- rather than comply with Mike's request to *play nice*. MA -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHoney and Botulinum
Here's a little info contrary to the drift of the honey botulinum notion; post-WWI paralyzed vets often got bed-sores, sometimes now called pressure ulcers. One of the few effective treatments for the condition was to clean the injury then cover with honey and a bandage. It worked, not 100% but better than anything else. The explanation was that honey was sterile, prevented infection (acting as a preservative, which it still does when at proper concentration - and that's what the bees do, they fan the hive until the honey is concentrated enough to resist any spoilage) and the sugar fed the underlying flesh where circulation had been damaged, allowing the body to repair itself and regrow the necessary blood vessels and capillaries. Much commercial honey is not only heated, but diluted with water to the point where it is no longer capable of killing bugs. Dr. R. O. Becker has discussed the use of CS for healing stubborn diabetes sores, even gangrenous ones. See: The Body Electric On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 18:20 -0500, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote: one of the main benefits of raw honey is active enzymes. Hot tea (~200 degrees) makes the honey not raw and the enzymes are destroyed. 1) brew tea 2) let cool to moderate drinking temp. 3) add honey, lick spoon, stir, and drink. Chuck If it's zero degrees outside today and it's supposed to be twice as cold tomorrow, how cold is it going to be? Minus thirty two? On 11/17/2009 9:30:09 AM, gwms...@optonline.net wrote: Slightly off topic, but I was told by the proprietor of a health food store that raw honey should never be consumed with hot liquids ie, tea. Is this true? And why not G - Original Message - From: Day Sutton Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 8:20 am Subject: Re: CSHoney and Botulinum To: silver-list@eskimo.com http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/11/17/This-Bee- Product-Has-Enormous-Benefits-for-Your-Health.aspx Processed, refined honey is NOT appropriate for use in wound care. In fact, your average domestic “Grade A” type honey found in the grocery store will likely *increase *infection. It also will not offer you the same healthbenefits as raw honey when consumed. On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 3:30 AM, Jonathan B. Britten jbrit...@nakamura-u.ac.jp wrote: I was quite surprised to learn recently that honey is a primary source of botulism, especially in children. I'd never heard this until now. Doctors recommend that infants NEVER receive honey. It's useful information to pass along. -- The -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSQuartz device (battery, wire and quartz crystals)
On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 18:36 -0500, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote: Chuck If man evolved from monkeys and apes, why do we still have monkeys and apes? Not every experiment is a success. . . . -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHoney and Botulinum
Yes, that and the sugar hit to the starving tissues depleted by the injured circulatory system. This is why sugar (honey) not salt worked in this protocol; they were not curing meat, but trying to repair and rejuvenate severely deprived tissues. Take care, Malcolm On Thu, 2009-11-19 at 16:24 -0500, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote: Same results were reported with using sugar as the packing. I think it has to do with the drying or absorption effect of sugar (and honey). Chuck As a scientist, Throckmorton knew that if he were ever to break wind in the sound chamber he would never hear the end of it. On 11/19/2009 1:12:22 AM, Malcolm (s...@asis.com) wrote: Here's a little info contrary to the drift of the honey botulinum notion; post-WWI paralyzed vets often got bed-sores, sometimes now called pressure ulcers. One of the few effective treatments for the condition was to clean the injury then cover with honey and a bandage. It worked, not 100% but better than anything else. The explanation was that honey was sterile, prevented infection (acting as a preservative, which it still does when at proper concentration - and that's what the bees do, they fan the hive until the honey is concentrated enough to resist any spoilage) and the sugar fed the underlying flesh where circulation had been damaged, allowing the body to repair itself and regrow the necessary blood vessels and capillaries. Much commercial honey is not only heated, but diluted with water to the point where it is no longer capable of killing bugs. Dr. R. O. Becker has discussed the use of CS for healing stubborn diabetes sores, even gangrenous ones. See: The Body Electric On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 18:20 -0500, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote: one of the main benefits of raw honey is active enzymes. Hot tea (~200 degrees) makes the honey not raw and the enzymes are destroyed. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSGrowing Mushrooms with Hydrogen Peroxide. Ref Earlier Comments
Brooks, Well, it may be the link that is senile, but certainly not you! I've bought Wayne's books and used his techniques to grow spawn on sawdust. The most challenging part of mushroom cultivation by any technique is sterile technique. As a point of info for the list members interested in mushroom cultivation,most fungal spores are incredibly tiny and will drift into and through just about anything commonly considered a filter barrier to solid contaminants; e.g. paper towels, most coffee filters, layers of cloth etc. I went to one of Paul Stamets' seminars where he demonstrated the astonishing number of spores in clean air, thousands, vs. the number (under 3 per cubic foot) under a laminar flow hood with a scanned and certified filter. As Dr. Wayne points out, it's really a race between the different fungal forms (and bacterial) and a major factor in successful mushroom growing is giving the spores and strains you like a head start in colonizing the medium. Take care, Malcolm On Fri, 2009-12-04 at 09:34 -0600, Brooks Bradley wrote: The link does not seem to be working for me..probability senility. If you are still having troubletry this (the main website) and just feel your way through. Mortified,Brooks Bradley. http://www.mycomasters.com/index.html#Top?FAQs -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: [RE]CSwhey - (N)OT?
The whey that is eaten is not the true whey. The word that is spoken is not the true word. On Mon, 2009-12-07 at 18:55 -0600, Dan Nave wrote: dee, What? Haven't you heard of that famous Chinese classic the Tao De Ching or, The Whey and it's Virtue?... Dan On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org wrote: Thank you for your reply Brooks, the product I have bought is called The True Whey which I got from iHerb. I sincerely hope it doesn't originate from China! dee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFood for Thought
Wow! Very nice indeed Steve; Thank you! And just as a confusion factor, what do you suppose they (you know, them) mean by: elemental silver, even its so-called nano-crystalline state? Possibly Tetra-silver (so-called?), or possibly finely divided - as in precipitated metallic Ag? - didn't the Russians experiment with that? As confirmed experimentally, only samples containing silver compounds can deliberate silver ions in the tested media and exhibit antimicrobial activity both in vitro and in vivo. Again; Huh?? I'd think there was enough electrochemical activity in a significant wound to provoke some ionic transport; wasn't that part of what Dr. R. O. Becker investigated, and what he developed in his work with Argentum Medical; i.e. the Silverlon bandages? I wish he'd been given the credit so richly due him for his work with silver as well as with electromedicine, deep wound and bone multiple infection control, tissue regeneration, and recalcitrant (umm,) bone fracture healing. Oh well, at least they're beginning to catch up to him. On Mon, 2009-12-07 at 18:18 -0600, Norton, Steve wrote: Here is some information that I thought the group might be interested in. http://scitation.aip.org/getabs/servlet/GetabsServlet?prog=normalid=ECSTF811210101idtype=cvipsgifs=yes Treatment of Various Surfaces with Silver and its Compounds for Topical Wound Dressings, Catheter and Other Biomedical Applications “The applications of surfaces treated with silver and its compounds include devices used as topical wound dressings, urinary catheters, endotracheal tubes, cardiac valves etc. Treatment of surfaces e.g. textile, polymers or metals with silver or its compounds is carried out to achieve the antimicrobial action of silver ions. Several approaches of surface treatment of medical devices for the antimicrobial purposes, such as electrodeposition, electroless deposition, physical vapor deposition, Picture (Device Independent Bitmap)- radiation, etc. have been used in practice. It is clear that only silver ions are responsible for the antimicrobial activity. As confirmed experimentally, only samples containing silver compounds can deliberate silver ions in the tested media and exhibit antimicrobial activity both in vitro and in vivo. There is no evidence that elemental silver, even its so-called nano-crystalline state, exhibits an antimicrobial activity. Consequently, the devices coated with nano-crystalline silver should carefully be taken into consideration before the application.” Full article in google books: http://books.google.com/books?id=mWFylRiXV8cCpg=PT9lpg=PT9dq=% 22Treatment+of+various+surfaces+with+silver+and+its+compounds+for +topical+wound+dressings% 22source=blots=ixGCz2qti9sig=of-Mkcn3VyMVbo0syg6hZMiY788hl=enei=-pMdS7rvN87anAfX2dzeAwsa=Xoi=book_resultct=resultresnum=2ved=0CBIQ6AEwAQ#v=onepageq=%22Treatment%20of%20various%20surfaces%20with%20silver%20and%20its%20compounds%20for%20topical%20wound%20dressings%22f=false “Based on the observation that metallic silver may exhibit some antimicrobial activity, when sufficiently long in contact with interstitial fluids, and considering the fact that only silver ions, and not silver metal, are responsible for the antimicrobial activity. One can conclude that electrochemical or corrosion phenomena plays a significant role in the antimicrobial activity of pure silver.” Some more food for thought. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC127333/ Chemiosmotic Mechanism of Antimicrobial Activity of Ag+ in Vibrio cholerae “Although the antimicrobial effects of silver salts were noticed long ago, the molecular mechanism of the bactericidal action of Ag+ in low concentrations has not been elucidated. Here, we show that low concentrations of Ag+ induce a massive proton leakage through the Vibrio cholerae membrane, which results in complete deenergization and, with a high degree of probability, cell death.” - Steve N -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSVitamin B 5 for you old lab rats...
Hi Sol, here's the whole story including Isabelle's bio. HTH, Malcolm http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0201hyglibcat/020102moser/020102Moser00toc.html On Thu, 2009-12-31 at 16:12 -0700, sol wrote: At 10:50 PM 12/29/2009, you wrote: How and When to Be Your Own Doctor by Dr. Isabelle A. Moser with Steve Solomon http://starthealthylife.com/page263.htm I went to the site and in the forward read that Dr. Moser died at age 56. Do you know what she died of? sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSVitamin B 5 for you old lab rats...
Better read her bio before you giggle out. http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0201hyglibcat/020102moser/020102Moser00toc.html On Thu, 2009-12-31 at 20:32 -0600, Annie B Smythe wrote: LMAO, OMG, I'm howling here Annie sol wrote: At 10:50 PM 12/29/2009, you wrote: How and When to Be Your Own Doctor by Dr. Isabelle A. Moser with Steve Solomon http://starthealthylife.com/page263.htm I went to the site and in the forward read that Dr. Moser died at age 56. Do you know what she died of? sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSorry Malcom
Not a prob, didn't want you to dismiss the info because of an easy misunderstanding. Take care, Malcolm On Thu, 2009-12-31 at 22:31 -0600, Annie B Smythe wrote: Sorry Malcom, for some reason the way the question was asked just tripped my funny bone tonight. I wasn't laughing because the woman died:) My bad:) Annie -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSHappy New Year
To us all, and hope for the whole world as well. M. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSVitamin B 5 for you old lab rats...
Anyone who battles stomach cancer successfully for 30+ years is worth more than a flippant yak. On Fri, 2010-01-01 at 12:27 +, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote: Not a very good sign is it? dee On 31 Dec 2009, at 23:12, sol wrote: At 10:50 PM 12/29/2009, you wrote: How and When to Be Your Own Doctor by Dr. Isabelle A. Moser with Steve Solomon http://starthealthylife.com/page263.htm I went to the site and in the forward read that Dr. Moser died at age 56. Do you know what she died of? sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSherniated disc
On Sun, 2010-01-17 at 17:55 -0500, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote: Great Idea for dent removal. Filing that one away... Chuck Can I yell movie in a crowded firehouse?? Shore, just not in a submarine. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSarticle, Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant
Well, actually silver particles of up to ~ 100+ atoms form, and lose an electron or so, perhaps many, thus exhibiting ionic 'potential'. silver atoms, like many, like to pair up thus forming molecules with an ionic potential that are larger than a single silver atom that has lost one of its electrons. On Thu, 2010-01-21 at 19:18 +, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote: I don't think there are any particles smaller than ionic silver. dee On 21 Jan 2010, at 16:52, Nenah Sylver wrote: There’s an article called “Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant” http://www.environmentalhealthnews.org/ehs/newscience/silver-is-potent-neurotoxicant/ Any thoughts about this? It sounds like a bunch of crap. Or are they talking about nanoparticles smaller than ionic silver? Nenah Nenah Sylver, PhD author: The Rife Handbook of Frequency Therapy (2009), now available in HARDCOVER The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy www.nenahsylver.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSarticle, Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant
Almost; one silver molecule formed of two or four silver atoms, minus one or two or ?? electrons = one silver ion, yes. Skip the quarks and neutrons, removing a proton results in another element. On Thu, 2010-01-21 at 11:53 -0800, Richard Goodwin wrote: Heh... Right you are, unless you want to talk about electrons, protons, neutrons, quarks, ... :-) One silver ion = one silver atom minus one electron, yes? __ From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, January 21, 2010 2:18:06 PM Subject: Re: CSarticle, Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant I don't think there are any particles smaller than ionic silver. dee On 21 Jan 2010, at 16:52, Nenah Sylver wrote: There’s an article called “Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant” http://www.environmentalhealthnews.org/ehs/newscience/silver-is-potent-neurotoxicant/ Any thoughts about this? It sounds like a bunch of crap. Or are they talking about nanoparticles smaller than ionic silver? Nenah Nenah Sylver, PhD author: The Rife Handbook of Frequency Therapy (2009), now available in HARDCOVER The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy www.nenahsylver.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSarticle, Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant
Hey, nice point! Dr. Becker is awesome! the re-innervation and healing
of trauma sites he accomplished hasn't been followed up to my knowledge;
too bad!
Take care Steve,
M.
On Thu, 2010-01-21 at 14:07 -0600, Norton, Steve wrote:
It has been stated in literature that silver can destroy bacterial cells and
not human cells because human cell walls are much more robust than bacterial
cell walls. Bacteria do not need robust cell walls since they live in a very
benign environment. It may be that in infants and small children there are a
large number of developing cells, that at some point in the cell development
the cells are vulnerable to silver.
- Steve N
-Original Message-
From: Malcolm [mailto:s...@asis.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 11:46 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSarticle, Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant
Well, actually silver particles of up to ~ 100+ atoms form, and lose an
electron or so, perhaps many, thus exhibiting ionic 'potential'. silver
atoms, like many, like to pair up thus forming molecules with an ionic
potential that are larger than a single silver atom that has lost one
of its electrons.
On Thu, 2010-01-21 at 19:18 +, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
I don't think there are any particles smaller than ionic silver. dee
On 21 Jan 2010, at 16:52, Nenah Sylver wrote:
There’s an article called “Silver is a potent nerve cell toxicant”
http://www.environmentalhealthnews.org/ehs/newscience/silver-is-potent-neurotoxicant/
Any thoughts about this? It sounds like a bunch of crap. Or are they
talking about nanoparticles smaller than ionic silver?
Nenah
Nenah Sylver, PhD
author: The Rife Handbook of Frequency Therapy (2009),
now available in HARDCOVER
The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy
www.nenahsylver.com
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Re: CSSilver is a potent nerve cell toxicant
Nicely put Marshall!!! On Mon, 2010-01-25 at 12:16 -0500, Marshall Dudley wrote: Yes you are correct. That is like testing if oils (carbon and hydrogen compounds) are poisonous by testing hydrogen cyanide ( HCN ) and using the nitrogen in the air at the control. Complete obsfuscation. Marshall Mike Monett wrote: == conclusions? Here is the link again: http://www.environmentalhealthnews.org/ehs/newscience/silver-is- potent-neurotoxicant or varying concentrations of AgNO3 in water. As a control for any effect of NO3, we included controls containing NaNO3 http://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/members/2009/0901149/0901149.pdf The use of sodium nitrate (NaNO3) as a control is highly misleading. Silver Nitrate and Sodium Nitrate are completely different substances. Sodium Nitrate is a preservative, used in sausages for example. You can eat it without too much harm. Silver nitrate is highly corrosive and will destroy most living things. You cannot eat it. The lethal dose is only 2 gms. Here is the MSDS sheet: Material Safety Data Sheet Silver Nitrate EMERGENCY OVERVIEW Appearance: colorless or white. Danger! Strong oxidizer. Contact with other material may cause a fire. May cause cyanosis (bluish discoloration of skin due to deficient oxygenation of the blood). May cause liver and kidney damage. Corrosive. Causes eye and skin burns. May cause severe respiratory tract irritation with possible burns. May cause severe digestive tract irritation with possible burns. Target Organs: Blood, kidneys, liver. Potential Health Effects Eye: Causes eye burns. May cause chemical conjunctivitis and corneal damage. Skin: Causes skin burns. May cause skin rash (in milder cases), and cold and clammy skin with cyanosis or pale color. Ingestion: May cause severe and permanent damage to the digestive tract. Causes gastrointestinal tract burns. May cause perforation of the digestive tract. May cause systemic effects. Lethal dose for humans is 2 grams. Inhalation: Causes severe irritation of upper respiratory tract with coughing, burns, breathing difficulty, and possible coma. Causes chemical burns to the respiratory tract. Aspiration may lead to pulmonary edema. May cause systemic effects. Chronic: May cause methemoglobinemia, which is characterized by chocolate-brown colored blood, headache, weakness, dizziness, breath shortness, cyanosis (bluish skin due to deficient oxygenation of blood), rapid heart rate, unconsciousness and possible death. Effects may be delayed. Chronic inhalation or ingestion may cause argyria characterized by blue-gray discoloration of the eyes, skin and mucous membrances. Chronic skin contact may cause permanent discoloration of the skin. Section 4 - First Aid Measures Eyes: Get medical aid immediately. Do NOT allow victim to rub or keep eyes closed. Extensive irrigation with water is required (at least 30 minutes). Skin: Get medical aid immediately. Immediately flush skin with plenty of soap and water for at least 15 minutes while removing contaminated clothing and shoes. Wash clothing before reuse. Destroy contaminated shoes. Ingestion: Do NOT induce vomiting. If victim is conscious and alert, give 2-4 cupfuls of milk or water. Never give anything by mouth to an unconscious person. Get medical aid immediately. Notes to Physician: Treat symptomatically and supportively. Section 313 This material contains Nitric Acid, Silver(1+) Salt (listed as ** undefined **), 100%, (CAS# 7761-88-8) which is subject to the reporting requirements of Section 313 of SARA Title III and 40 CFR Part 373. http://avogadro.chem.iastate.edu/MSDS/AgNO3.htm It is not surprising that any study using silver nitrate as the source of silver ions will conclude that silver is harmful. But this is a false conclusion. Silver ions by themself are non-toxic to humans and have tremendous healing effects. However, like most substances, silver combined with other substances can have effects that range from benign to lethal. This is often used to persuade people that silver ions are harmful, and should be banned. Regards, Mike == -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic
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Re: CSRE: Bladder infections.
Hey Ron, I've had a neurogenic bladder for 49 years, spinal cord injury. I tried CS into the bladder through my cath - Not a good idea, stung like crazy and did no good for the infection. I later discussed this with my urologist who told me flat out, don't do it, it doesn't work. Word to the wise. I know, YMMV, but I doubt it. Consider also that most of the antibiotics reach the bladder through the bloodstream, i.e. from the outside, and one of the most effective irrigations is plain PURE STERILE water which gets the bugs through osmotic pressure - blows them up. Take care, Malcolm On Sun, 2014-05-25 at 12:31 -0800, Ron wrote: Trying again. I just sent this but it did not seem to go anywhere except to my sent mail. No exotic bugs :-) I should have said that although the usual reason for men to catheterize is enlarged prostate (BPH) but in my case it is a stretched and large dysfunctional bladder that makes it difficult for meds coming in from the kidneys to actually touch all of the surfaces of the bladder which I guess might explain the seemingly high residual bacteria count and is the reason I wanted to go the opposite route. Now, from all these great replies here, I will think about what to pre flush the bladder with before doing the CS. Really great! Ron --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRE: Bladder infections.
Ron, Another bit of info from my urologist, - and I have great faith in him as he is considered by everyone I've talked to to be one of the top 50 in the entire U.S - - - The idea is to establish a balanced flora of bacteria in the bladder that maintain a more beneficial environment, and limit not only their own tendencies toward overgrowth but also resist the intrusion of other bugs which could be much more harmful. This also tends to eliminate the seesaw effect of killing off the bacteria and inviting in the yeasts who are more than willing to move in in strength. Getting rid of yeasts and fungi can be a real nightmare, involving some pretty toxic substances. It seems you already have the correct idea on this, don't medicate just on the basis of cloudy urine unless it gets bad, and/or other clues let you know this is a bad one; I rely on the urine's odor and my overall feeling of sickness and aggravation as well as the amount and location of the cloudiness. By that I mean that there is a tendency for sediment (usually pretty harmless stuff) to settle toward the bottom of the bladder, and a concentration at the end of the stream is not so big a concern to me as consistent murky presence throughout. I keep a clean shot-glass next to the toilet to catch a sample whenever I need to check it out. HTH, Malcolm On Mon, 2014-05-26 at 05:33 -0800, Ron wrote: Mahvalus Malcolm, I didn't really expect to hear from anybody that knew about it first hand. Well I won't try it unless my temperature goes up which tells me the infection is serious and that the bacteria (which will always be present) have reached 'critical mass'. Gotta get away from antibiotics somehow. My urologist? I asked him by leaving the question with his office. He did not even return my call. In the meantime I'll try steam distilled water. Ron On 5/25/2014 3:50 PM, Malcolm wrote: Hey Ron, I've had a neurogenic bladder for 49 years, spinal cord injury. I tried CS into the bladder through my cath - Not a good idea, stung like crazy and did no good for the infection. I later discussed this with my urologist who told me flat out, don't do it, it doesn't work. Word to the wise. I know, YMMV, but I doubt it. Consider also that most of the antibiotics reach the bladder through the bloodstream, i.e. from the outside, and one of the most effective irrigations is plain PURE STERILE water which gets the bugs through osmotic pressure - blows them up. Take care, Malcolm On Sun, 2014-05-25 at 12:31 -0800, Ron wrote: Trying again. I just sent this but it did not seem to go anywhere except to my sent mail. No exotic bugs :-) I should have said that although the usual reason for men to catheterize is enlarged prostate (BPH) but in my case it is a stretched and large dysfunctional bladder that makes it difficult for meds coming in from the kidneys to actually touch all of the surfaces of the bladder which I guess might explain the seemingly high residual bacteria count and is the reason I wanted to go the opposite route. Now, from all these great replies here, I will think about what to pre flush the bladder with before doing the CS. Really great! Ron --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: CSRE: Bladder infections.
Yes, the interstitial cystitis responds to DMSO, do be sure to dilute it per an experienced healthcare pro who knows their business. Consider also that although the bugs themselves may be of a molecular weight that DMSO will not be able to transport, the toxins they generate may be of a size that can be. The suggestion for D-Mannose is a good one too. One also can get whole cranberries at some seasons, frozen ones most of the time, and cook them up - remarkably easy, and throw in a few good orange peels with them sliced thin. Yum! Malcolm On Mon, 2014-05-26 at 09:24 -0600, sol wrote: Ron wrote: Mahvalus Malcolm, I didn't really expect to hear from anybody that knew about it first hand. Well I won't try it unless my temperature goes up which tells me the infection is serious and that the bacteria (which will always be present) have reached 'critical mass'. Gotta get away from antibiotics somehow. My urologist? I asked him by leaving the question with his office. He did not even return my call. In the meantime I'll try steam distilled water. DMSO infusions have been used medically for interstitial cystitis. Can't remember details, but you might want to research it. I myself would not hesitate to use a mix of CS and DMSO put directly into my bladder. According to Dr. Stanley Jacobs (its discoverer) DMSO cannot take bacteria into body tissues. They are too large to be transported by DMSO. More info at http://www.dmso.org/ and http://www.jacoblab.com/ sol --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSConcerns Regarding The Ebola Virus
This and the questionable reportage on the Ebola-Lassa hybrid, and the obviously inadequate remarks by the media via the CDC etc, bring up one of the truely sickening aspects of this whole mess: We cannot trust our own government. On Mon, 2014-10-06 at 17:33 -0400, TJ Garland wrote: Everyone please read. Comments? http://rense.com/general96/concernsebola.html If God wanted us to vote, he would have given us candidates. ~Jay Leno~ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSConcerns Regarding The Ebola Virus
Bingo! On Mon, 2014-10-06 at 19:15 -0700, moxaman wrote: It would not surprise me one bit if this virus turned out to be a form of TB. About the only thing you can be sure about coming from Washington is that the opposite is probably true. I haven't believed a word since the JFK assassination. -Original Message- From: Malcolm Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 6:34 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSConcerns Regarding The Ebola Virus This and the questionable reportage on the Ebola-Lassa hybrid, and the obviously inadequate remarks by the media via the CDC etc, bring up one of the truely sickening aspects of this whole mess: We cannot trust our own government. On Mon, 2014-10-06 at 17:33 -0400, TJ Garland wrote: Everyone please read. Comments? http://rense.com/general96/concernsebola.html If God wanted us to vote, he would have given us candidates. ~Jay Leno~ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: Conundrum
Hi Dee, there's another possibility here; I don't know how your water is delivered to your faucet, but one thing that can happen is that a little air gets entrained into it, and as the pressure is released going from your plumbing into a container, the air is released as microscopic bubbles. These are not the ones you see on the sides of a container after you let the container stand - which are far from microscopic anyway. Rather they can make the water even seem cloudy, though the effect dissipates, and even begins to form into those much larger ones that collect on the container's surface. Just a thought, Malcolm On Sun, 2014-10-19 at 11:02 +0100, Dee wrote: I make the distilled water myself and it has a 0 reading with my TDS meter. The tap water has a reading of over 300. The only thing might be, that I poured the distilled water into the jar which I make the CS in, without cleaning it out first as I thought this unnecessary. I wouldn't have thought there would be enough particles left to cause a Tyndall effect though...dee Sent from my iPad On 19 Oct 2014, at 00:54, Debra David alch...@kern.com.au wrote: The answer is simple. Neither your tap water nor your distilled water is pure. Mains filtration plants are very good at removing particles, hence you will often see no laser line. On the other hand it probably still contains plenty of dissolved salts (invisible to a laser) so if you used a meter in the mains water you would get a significant reading. If your distilled water is displaying a laser line it contains fine particles, so its either not distilled in the first place or its being contaminated after distilling. Unless your glass jar is obviously unclean its not likely to add significant particles to the water. David From: Dee d...@deetroy.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 7:02 AM Subject: CSConundrum I shone a laser through my distilled water and I got a distinct Tyndall effect, just the same as I get through my finished CS. Can anyone explain this? If I shine it through tap water there is nothing...dee Sent from my iPad On 19/10/2014 5:36 AM, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com wrote: -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: Conundrum; Oops!
Oops! Left out one little part, changes in the water temp often bring on this cloudiness effect. On Sun, 2014-10-19 at 11:02 +0100, Dee wrote: I make the distilled water myself and it has a 0 reading with my TDS meter. The tap water has a reading of over 300. The only thing might be, that I poured the distilled water into the jar which I make the CS in, without cleaning it out first as I thought this unnecessary. I wouldn't have thought there would be enough particles left to cause a Tyndall effect though...dee Sent from my iPad On 19 Oct 2014, at 00:54, Debra David alch...@kern.com.au wrote: The answer is simple. Neither your tap water nor your distilled water is pure. Mains filtration plants are very good at removing particles, hence you will often see no laser line. On the other hand it probably still contains plenty of dissolved salts (invisible to a laser) so if you used a meter in the mains water you would get a significant reading. If your distilled water is displaying a laser line it contains fine particles, so its either not distilled in the first place or its being contaminated after distilling. Unless your glass jar is obviously unclean its not likely to add significant particles to the water. David From: Dee d...@deetroy.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 7:02 AM Subject: CSConundrum I shone a laser through my distilled water and I got a distinct Tyndall effect, just the same as I get through my finished CS. Can anyone explain this? If I shine it through tap water there is nothing...dee Sent from my iPad On 19/10/2014 5:36 AM, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com wrote: -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: Conundrum
Hi Dee, Sorry; I didn't do a very good job of generalizing the whole idea. Here's what I suspect just might be happening in this particular case; when you make your distilled water perhaps some air becomes entrained - not hard to do when you boil water. As this water cools, there may be a tendency for this entrained air to come out of solution and the microscopic bubbles could reflect just like any other particle giving you the Tyndall scatter. Try letting the distilled water sit for a while, meaning hours or a day. See if you get bubbles forming on the container sides. The conductivity will increase a tiny bit due to the absorption of CO2 from the air over that time forming H2CO3, carbonic acid. As a side note, distilled water from the store has sometimes had hydrogen peroxide added to it, H2O2, and the extra O will come out as above, leaving behind - H2O!~ tricky, huh? Why do they do it? Perhaps some added insurance against infection? Who can say? On Sun, 2014-10-19 at 21:02 +0100, Dee wrote: Ours comes from the mains water, but the tap water isn't the problem, that shows no Tyndall, it was the distilled water that did...dee Sent from my iPad On 19 Oct 2014, at 19:10, Malcolm s...@asis.com wrote: Hi Dee, there's another possibility here; I don't know how your water is delivered to your faucet, but one thing that can happen is that a little air gets entrained into it, and as the pressure is released going from your plumbing into a container, the air is released as microscopic bubbles. These are not the ones you see on the sides of a container after you let the container stand - which are far from microscopic anyway. Rather they can make the water even seem cloudy, though the effect dissipates, and even begins to form into those much larger ones that collect on the container's surface. Just a thought, Malcolm On Sun, 2014-10-19 at 11:02 +0100, Dee wrote: I make the distilled water myself and it has a 0 reading with my TDS meter. The tap water has a reading of over 300. The only thing might be, that I poured the distilled water into the jar which I make the CS in, without cleaning it out first as I thought this unnecessary. I wouldn't have thought there would be enough particles left to cause a Tyndall effect though...dee Sent from my iPad On 19 Oct 2014, at 00:54, Debra David alch...@kern.com.au wrote: The answer is simple. Neither your tap water nor your distilled water is pure. Mains filtration plants are very good at removing particles, hence you will often see no laser line. On the other hand it probably still contains plenty of dissolved salts (invisible to a laser) so if you used a meter in the mains water you would get a significant reading. If your distilled water is displaying a laser line it contains fine particles, so its either not distilled in the first place or its being contaminated after distilling. Unless your glass jar is obviously unclean its not likely to add significant particles to the water. David From: Dee d...@deetroy.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 7:02 AM Subject: CSConundrum I shone a laser through my distilled water and I got a distinct Tyndall effect, just the same as I get through my finished CS. Can anyone explain this? If I shine it through tap water there is nothing...dee Sent from my iPad On 19/10/2014 5:36 AM, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com wrote: -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2014 #281
Hi, same for me, the dry - or sticky - loofah effect too; it was only my tongue just last night! For me it seems linked to the sleeping meds prescribed me; also how much water I drink before going to bed - I should drink more, avoiding sugar for my last snack before bed, ditto alcohol as an amplifier for the meds: you know, that warning: Do not drink alcohol while using this medication, it may make you sleepy! Well, for Pete's sake wha'dya think I'm taking this stuff for?? The didgeridoo sounds interesting, but don't let aggravation at the cheapening shadow of plastic over a gem of an instrument put you off, I'd expect the skills learned on that to be very transferable to a genuine 'doo when you get one. Anyhow, you encourage me to give the whole idea - a new one to me - a whirl and I hope it works; Thanks! Malcolm On Sat, 2014-11-29 at 20:10 -0700, ASL raVen wrote: I,too, suffer from dry mouth snoring/mild apnea issues. Recently tried this oral appliance device and it's awful. I refuse to use the CPAP. I was hoping the Colloidal Silver would reduce the inflammation in my throat but that wasn't the case. Been reading about self-care of apnea with toning the inner throat by using a Didgeridoo … looking for a cheap one - as I refuse to use plastic models. On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 7:27 PM, Lena Guyot drumr...@stny.rr.com wrote: Hi Sol, I'm so sorry! That must be very frustrating for you. When I studied yoga I learned pranayama (google it: many good sources) and it was essentially for increased life force, spirituality, etc. but after having done physical therapy for my broken ankle, I'm wondering if pranayama could be used as a kind of physical therapy for breathing: something done for a short spell every day, to encourage the natural breathing to become easier over time, with no immediate expectations of change. I can sympathize with the taping idea, as I do mouth breathe when sleeping on my back and I'd awaken with a tongue that felt like a dried loofah and all my membranes felt like a snail desiccated in hot sun, I've had to train myself to sleep only on my sides, something that was very difficult when I was in a heavy leg cast. I can imaging how challenging this must be for you. In the next couple of days, I'll try my MSM capsule trick with my nose stoppered, to see if it's even possible to keep the tongue up and breathe at the same time. I'd imagine you probably aren't a fan of wasabi, as I've noticed if I open my mouth or speak with wasabi in it, it's hotness is much fiercer than when I breathe only through my nose. You have my sympathies! Be well, Léna On Nov 29, 2014, at 8:54 PM, sol wrote: Lena Guyot wrote: Sub-lingually, it sees to give my immune system a major boost when I'm fighting an infection, and it always amplifies the other protocols I do. When I feel relatively fine, I just take a capsule by mouth with my other supplements. As for being a mouth breather, you might find that misting CS up your nose/sinuses could perhaps change the underlying problem with that, as mouth-breathing is tough on the teeth and not really the way we were meant to breathe, especially in winter with dryness, etc. Thanks, I do mist CS and or dropper it up my sinuses, and have done for about 10 years. I do know that mouth breathing is bad, I've just failed at every attempt to correct it, and I have tried lots of remedies, even taping my mouth shut. sol --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com -- Quote: In everyone's life, at some time, our inner fire goes out. It is then burst into flame by an encounter with another human being. We should all be thankful for those people who rekindle the inner spirit. -- Albert Schweitzer
Re: CSFwd: Silver
Hi, Speaking purely hypothetically, of course, one might note that a patient's breathing tube is connected to something, right? Often to the wall, otherwise to some machine close to a patient's bed. One might Study the tube and it's connections, quickly unhook it where it makes the most sense and Quickly insert a portable fogger of whatever sort one chose BUT one which DID NOT make droplets which could cause coughing, then also Quite Quickly re-attach the tubing and a patient will get the contents out of the tube. One might well Wait a few and do it again, perhaps three or four times over 20-30 mins., then the next day, etc. BTW, The fastest way into the bloodstream (other than I.V.) is through the lungs. Consider one potential hypothetical problem with such a scenario; the things often have an alarm, connected to the Nurses Station and a patient's room, and equipped with a highly audible attention getting racket. one might find that maintaining some restrictions on a machine's airflow for a couple of seconds while it's disconnected allows the alarm to remain silent. Often a friend who is into medical technology or a nurse at another hospital can offer some similarly hypothetical info. They won't shoot, they'll just act authoritative, maybe call security. BFD. One might be saving a kid's life in a situation where they've shown themselves unable, useless. One could Bring a Friend to watch for interference, one might get to know the nurses on the shifts, one would do well to be sure the rest of her close family is on a patient's side too. You, her parents, have the ultimate moral say on what goes down, but often not the legal say. Many MDs are sympathetic, but ALL are bound by the FDA, Government Law and Hospital Rules and cannot condone any therapy other than the accepted standard pharma or other approved procedures. Don't even bother asking! Some, of course, have their own agendas and the heroics of their last ditch saving of a life appeal to them, but that's their prob. and should Not be anyone else's. It may be difficult to recognize that a multi-million dollar institute, filled with a cadre of highly trained professionals, successfully dedicated to saving lives can be even the slightest bit wrong, and their possibly insincere threats to abandon - whatever - abandon your kid's care so heartless and hidebound - to be just a bluff; but even - especially - the medical professions have not reached perfection; indeed far from it. I speak from fifty years of fairly close association with them as an adult patient. Statistics - however double-blinded and cross-controlled they may be - will never substitute for plain humanity; i.e. they have no proof of efficacy or lack of harm? How could they, if they never tried it? I wish you and your child all the best in such difficult straits, Malcolm On Mon, 2014-12-29 at 16:18 -0500, Michael Mckenna wrote: -Original Message- From: thomas mcmanus tamarack9...@gmail.com To: Michael Mckenna piperb...@aol.com Sent: Sun, Dec 28, 2014 9:46 pm Subject: Re: Silver Feeding tube works if she has one On Dec 28, 2014 9:07 PM, Michael Mckenna piperb...@aol.com wrote: thanks Thomas, the problem is I need to get it into her lungs and blood stream, by the time the hospital gives it to her it may be to late. she has a breathing tube in so I cant give it to her orally -Original Message- From: thomas mcmanus tamarack9...@gmail.com To: piperbush piperb...@aol.com Sent: Sun, Dec 28, 2014 3:40 pm Subject: Silver I'm sending this outside silver list since none of my replies show up. I to had a loved one hospitalized for 6 months and developed a bed sore which would not heal using hospital approved methods So I began administering EIS orally on the staff lull time. Also applied topically as I assisted in bath room. 2 weeks of hospital methods with no results then i took over and 100% healed in 7 days after I started. Got to take charge some times do what a best. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: bacteria in my daughters lungs and heart
Hi Mike, What a terrible position to be in; I'm so thankful I never faced such with my daughter. My concern and heart go out to you. I expect the only thing you Can do is sit down and make the decisions inside yourself of what you Will do, then give it your best. We can't second-guess the future. It's not given to us to do that. Malcolm. On Fri, 2015-01-02 at 23:27 -0500, Michael Mckenna wrote: thank you very much everyone that have commented and given your suggestions. I will now give you an update on her condition - she is stable enough that they , on Monday want to operate on her heart and remove bacteria from 2 different valves and if they have too, replace them. I am in a terrible place in life and don't know what I should do-I believe that silver would cure her and feel like I want to bring her home. -Original Message- From: Michael Mckenna piperb...@aol.com To: silver-list silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, Dec 26, 2014 7:55 pm Subject: Fwd: bacteria in my daughters lungs and heart -Original Message- From: Michael Mckenna piperb...@aol.com To: mdevour mdev...@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, Dec 26, 2014 2:02 pm Subject: bacteria in my daughters lungs and heart I am writing to you because I am desperate on what I can do to save her. She has been in intensive in the CCU at Albany medical center for 1 week now and is getting worse. I have asked every doctor about using CS to kill the bacteria to no avail since it is not an FDA approved medicine. They have even gone as far to say that it might kill her. If you have any suggestions please let me know thanks - Michael Mckenna -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSForum - some hard truths. Some hard opinions.
I have to respond; being another dwindling member with all-too-much flexibility and presently no access to internet of any sort beyond a land-line. E-mail is hardly (you'll pardon me, I trust) a deep rut either, and has proven itself quite user-friendly. Rather it is the highly commercial ISP's which have mis-used the medium to extract whatever sale-able gains they can from it, and if you imagine they are not eager to do the same or worse to the consumer in forums or other sorts of lists you are deluded. Further, the collective wisdom on this list remains accessible in the archives, which have survived in spite of the machinations of the above mentioned Large, Profit Driven ISP's (oh, and don't forget Comcast.) It is the community of dwindling members that have preserved their own copies of the archives and re-published them for us all; catch Yahooey doing that?! Uncle Ben is a fine man, and brilliant; however his mind operates at a much greater speed than, say, 9,999 out of ten thousand. This hardly qualifies as user-friendly for anyone but another Uncle-Ben, and often not for them either. I think you could figure this out - by observation if by no other means. Have mercy and a little caution DD; your hard truths are hard opinions, your examples less than exemplary, your disdain for contrasting thought, evident and contrary. Your positive suggestions seem quite worthwhile, and if you spend more of your efforts on illustrating their benefits I'd be grateful. Malcolm On Thu, 2015-02-19 at 23:57 +1030, Debra David wrote: On 19/02/2015 12:38 AM, M.G. Devour wrote: ... whatever platform you choose, I would strongly recommend that email notifications remain an optional feature. The ideal system will provide multiple communication methods, in order to reach/satisfy the largest potential audience. The largest potential audience is best reached by a having a user friendly forum. Not by having a forum that is stuck in a deep rut due to the inflexibility of a few dwindling members. The growth of vBulletin forums for even the most esoteric subjects should be a lesson here. (Mike, did you see Uncle Bens comment about why he posted once, then gave up?). The list serves those who are comfortable with it just fine. I get that. It is not, however, doing fully what it was intended to do, which is bring the collective wisdom of our community to new people as well as foster technical discussions and development. Sadly the 'collective wisdom' of this community is significantly less than it was 10 years ago. So much knowledge has passed through this forum, never to be seen again, that it is truly tragic. A couple of days ago I posted a message claiming I had discovered how to make crystal clear 200 ppm CS that was 50% ionic and 50% colloidal with particles smaller than Mesosilver. 10 years ago this would have brought a storm of questions, skepticism and ridicule. Today it passed without comment by anyone except Jason. Earlier in the week Floyd couldn't even get an answer to some pretty simple questions about his basic system. (My answer never appeared). More time has been spent discussing why he didnt get an answer than actually answering him. Anyway Mike, good luck with the search for a new format but I think you are barking up the wrong tree. Despite not having an email digest vBulletin is a proven success and has all the features you really need (including pictures!). You already have a license so why not give it a try as a parallel forum? If you do, my first post on it will be instructions on how to make that 'Super CS' I mentioned above. David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSElectrode cleaning?
Hi Jason, carbonic acid, H2CO3, will getcha every time; CO2 right out of the air. So it goes, just trying to help a bit in these difficult times gg M. On Fri, 2015-02-20 at 15:36 -0800, Jason wrote: Hi Reece: It has a lot to do with it, because making EIS should have no impact on pH. I test the pH of the distilled water to gauge its quality. Pure water is pH neutral (7.0). I test the pH after brewing, and there should not be a significant change. If I start with a Ph of 7.0, and up with a pH of 5.5, then there is a contamination issue with the process. It's just an added extra control to verify quality. ~Jason On 2/19/2015 1:33 PM, Reece Maxey wrote: I'm treading water as fast as I can, but it is getting too deep for me. What does pH have to do with the EIS process? Opa Sent from my iPad On Feb 19, 2015, at 1:59 PM, Sandra George oha...@juno.com wrote: Hi Neville I have never experienced your situation with the ph meter - immediately thought of the calibration liquid as the possible culprit, however you rinsed well so cannot make any comments - I use either the TDS meter or the PH meter however I never put what I have tested back into anything this goes down the drain - so maybe there is some chemical reaction with some deposit of some sort which was not apparent at the time. Agreed with your statement about what you produce, I feel the same way about mine Take good care Sandee Attitude is everything !!! Sandra George Colloidal Silver Products Eye Drops Topical Gel aliveagai...@yahoo.com On 18 Feb 2015, at 21:54, Neville one.red...@hotmail.com wrote: SOLVED...LOL. Well I believe I've solved it anyway, and I only solved it this morning Dee. Due to recent comments here regarding pH I thought I'd play around and test again with another batch, and within minutes the water turned milky...WHAT THE...??? I knew what was coming next, that dark spot in the centre of the bottom of the vessel the next day. I dug deep into my memory bank and remembered I used a pH meter previously, but like an idiot I returned the test sample back into my brew water prior to starting the brew process - BIG mistake seemingly. On contemplating events I came to the conclusion pH meters somehow contaminate water. I dumped that entire batch down the sink, only about 1200ml, cleaned the vessel out with paper towel and started again using DW straight out of the bottle - perfect, clear and as it should be both during and upon cessation of the brew process. I did however test the pH of the DW out of the bottle, and of course tipped that sample down the sink rather than returning it to the DW I intended to brew, I also tested pH in a batch of EIS that's been in storage for a while. I did calibrate the El Cheapo EBay pH meter according to instructions initially, and then rinsed it several times with DW hoping everything was 'good to go'. Now, I had some samples tested several years ago at an Industrial Complex laboratory, those EIS samples returned readings between 7.4 and 7.8, besides other results I wanted, in a clear, a yellow and an amber or tea coloured solution. I had this mornings batch tested, and an older sample, plus the DW I used for this mornings batch. They used some computer program and ancillary equipment for testing purposes. I labelled them 'A' and 'B', 'B' being this mornings fresh batch, and just took the bottle of DW to them. My DW test out of the bottle with meter for sample 'B', this mornings sample = 6.7 Their test on same DW using their equipment = 6.7, all seems well. I didn't test or document pH of DW in sample 'A' which was an old batch of EIS, but their test on that sample returned 6.8 Sample 'B', this mornings fresh batch returned 7.0, what it will be in a few weeks time I have no idea? I realised this morning that the measuring cup, and the syringe, and the little circular thingy they inserted into the machine they used could have had *anything* in them prior to my tests being performed? I also understood DW would/could vary in quality from batch to batch. This can/could also affect pH readings. Unless one is looking over someones? shoulder and ensuring everything is as clean and contaminant free as is possible there is not much point in testing for anything, anywhere? All these facilities and the people working in them have no understanding our product, hence they would not be as pedantic and methodical with things as we would like them to be. So, I'm back to square one in not trusting anything or anyone other than my own visual observations of my product, and my own determinations on same. I have not been disappointed yet, and am satisfied with the quality of my product. I think people can trip up with all the, let's say, pedantics of this
Re: CSThis forum - and Highly ionic CS.
Hi, I'll interleaf; On Sat, 2015-02-21 at 13:54 +1030, Debra David wrote: A major problem with this forum is that threads get so broken up that they are soon misunderstood and become almost incoherent. (Probably only Jason has read and understood my posts about this subject right from the beginning). If every post was kept intact and read in sequence then things would go smoother. But of course that cant happen here. Anyway I've cut and pasted a few things. (It only took an hour). Phil said... Faraday's Law does not work for making CS. Faraday's Law can measure how much silver was lost from the electrodes, but it can not tell you how much remains suspended in solution. Me... It does work for making CS as long as you understand it. Faradays law tells us exactly how much silver was dissolved into the water. I didnt say it could tell us how much STAYS dissolved. Basically my original question was this... 'If 200 ppm is dissolved into the water, but only 100 uS is measurable with a meter, where's the other 100 ppm gone if its not showing up in a TE or lying on the bottom of the jar.?' My musing (comments welcome because I am not an expert on lasers) was that it may be creating particles so small they do not show up in the frequency of a red laser. (Part of the answer may be in a study of saturation points and solubility levels. Why does silver have a saturation point in pure water of only about 24 ppm while salt has a solubility level of 360,000 ppm?). Phil said... Using Faraday's Law to measure PPM in CS is a waste of time and silver. Me. .. Well thats just silly. In fact its the ONLY way to accurately determine how much total silver is in the water. (Even the best lab instruments have shortcomings). Actually it is a measure of how much silver - in one form or another - has left the electrodes. Where it has gone however, what it has combined with or adheres to - possibly even the other electrode - remain to be determined. I'd tend to agree with you that the exercise is Not a total waste of time. It would take a bit of doing to determine how much could be found in thisor that form or combination. Malcomn said.. Re. your #1; consider silver nitrate, a known poison. Nitrogen composes ~80% of our air. Ammonia, NH3, a gas, is present in small amounts just about everywhere that e.g. ammonium fertilizers are used, etc. Me... Silvernitrate in trace quantities is no problem. Even in strong doses it has been used in medicine. Look up silvernitrate on Wikipedia. Anyway, my lack of concern was with compounds likely to be formed in filtered domestic tap water. (People have already been doing that for decades by the way, with no problems, argyria aside) Your claim was that No silver compounds had ever been found that were detrimental to human health. I don't claim that a slight exposure once or a few times would necessarily be harmful. I would point out however that the use of silver nitrate in a newborn's eyes to eliminate the possibility of infection, a very common practice in a large percentage of hospital delivery units was discontinued because of the corneal scarring that sometimes occurred; by then antibiotics were a much safer alternative. The presence of ammonia, aka ammonium when it's dissolved in water, is much higher in our environment than it has been in the past, and there are other silver compounds which are toxic to a greater or quite often a lesser degree than silver nitrate. 89 Environmental Toxicology and Chemistry, Vol. 18, No. 1, pp. 89–108, 1999 q 1999 SETAC Printed in the USA 0730-7268/99 $9.00 —Silver Bioavailability Bioaccumulation Toxicity Review INTRODUCTION Silver ion is one of the most toxic forms of a heavy metal, surpassed only by mercury and thus has been assigned to the highest toxicity class, together with cadmium, chromium (VI), copper, and mercury [1,2]. The sources of silver in the envi- ronment were recently reviewed [3]. . Malcom said.. Using a nebulizer to inhale ~200ppm CS is likely to cause inflammation and scarring of your bronchi and lungs. I've inhaled 27 ppm CS made with good 'distilled' water. Me... 'Likely' to cause inflammation' is a big call based on a survey of one. Maybe thats your experience but its not mine. So What? Your continuous contentiousness is at least useless; Survey of one, indeed! I'm not interested in that sort of interchange. I've used less efficient nebulizers over lesser periods of time with no ill effects but urge caution on you with your purported 200 ppm ionic silver. I've never had a problem inhaling CS. But if you really want a good story about inhaling CS ask Jason. Malcolm said... Your attitude toward any experimentation, yours or others, is cavalier. Me... This is really where the chaotic structure of this forum gets annoying. I have not at any stage advocated the use of high ppm CS, ionic or otherwise. I simply made some
Re: CSHighly ionic CS.
In re. your #1; consider silver nitrate, a known poison. Nitrogen composes ~80% of our air. Ammonia, NH3, a gas, is present in small amounts just about everywhere that e.g. ammonium fertilizers are used, etc. Another matter for your consideration: Using a nebulizer to inhale ~200ppm CS is likely to cause inflammation and scarring of your bronchi and lungs. I've inhaled 27 ppm CS made with good 'distilled' water made with RO lab quality water and measured with a COM 100 on the chloride scale, calibrated, reading consistently 0.3 Us or a bit less, and consisting primarily of H2CO3 as contaminent. I used the Omron u22 'mesh' nebulizer cleaned to their specifications to inhale about 4 ml over the course of one day; this figure is approximate as a portion of the mist passes from the mask without being either inhaled or absorbed. It is certainly considerably less than 4 ml, and I'd guess 2 ml. The results were bronchial inflammation and continual hacking up of clear gooey fluid from the lungs which has persisted for the past three weeks though diminishing greatly over that time. Your attitude toward any experimentation, yours or others, is cavalier, and your rejection of suggested checks on your own work has been ad-hominem and unkind. You clearly can do better, you're intelligent. M. On Sat, 2015-02-21 at 09:00 +1030, Debra David wrote: -Enlighten me- if you are starting with tap water, it will test x number of ppm before you make the IS. Then you test it after production and you can't really know the ppm silver you have, can you? Is it your final ppm no. Minus the ppm you started with.-- I'll give you an example. Tap water 400us. Faradays law says I add 200ppm. After brewing the batch its 500 uS, so 100 uS is measurable by the meter. The other 100 ppm has 'disappeared. (i.e. the particles are so small they create virtually no TE). I'm trying to find out whats happening. Incidentally. If you are using distilled water to make CS you should not subtract the initial reading from final reading. Thats a myth too. In fact you should probably add it on. And- aren't you concerned about what is in that water that can be combining with your silver? 1. No I'm not. In spite of the hype you may have read theres no evidence that silver compounds are harmful. In fact theres evidence that every tested form of silver kills bacteria. 2. Thats not really the issue anyway. My interest is in the 'puzzle' of whats happening in the water. - Not to nitpick but silver DOES NOT dissolve in water. -- Yes it does. A little low voltage current creates Ag+ ions. Thats basic stuff. As to no TE in tap water and 200ppm Colloidal SilverBull. Have a lab (that knows what they're doing) check your stuff. I dont need a lab test to see that I have no TE. Just shine a laser through it. And the amount of the ppm is calculated using Faradays Law. (Einstein had a picture of Faraday on his wall. He was that good). If my uS meter agrees with Faraday, well that just a bonus. David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS>water ionizers, revisited
Hi Nenah, just a quickie 'til I do some research; although titanium is a good-un in the human body for all sorts of things, I'm unsure of the possible effects of a titanium ion in the digestive tract. But in the meantime consider Silver; kind of a twofer - CS and ionized water both? All for the mo, Malcolm On 6/16/2016 12:13 PM, Nenah Sylver wrote: To all the smart and clever people on this list: I remember a discussion of water ionizers on this egroup and figured you would know the answer to my questions. Several years ago I bought a water ionizer unit (the “Athena”), which malfunctioned a couple of times. After dealing with a corrupt, inept, greedy company—whose inferior packing in fact contributed to breakage on at least one occasion—I convinced my great-with-tools-and-building-things significant other that as long as we had a unit in our possession that couldn’t be used in its current state, he might as well open it up and see about fixing it himself. So he went onto You Tube and watched a few videos on how to create a water ionizer, and is now in the process of trying to repair it. My question concerns the material comprising the electrodes. Obviously, stainless steel is not a good material for water ionizer electrodes, because we don’t want heavy metal to contaminate the water. The best homemade ionizers (and I’m assuming commercially manufactured ones too) use electrodes made of titanium. Some sellers of JUST the electrodes coat the titanium electrodes with palladium, claiming that the palladium is inert and will prevent the titanium from tarnishing (and thus releasing metallic ions into the water). However, after doing some research on titanium, I discovered that besides being the 9th most abundant mineral in the Earth’s crust, titanium is made into airplanes because comparatively speaking it’s not very heavy and DOESN’T RUST. So, is it necessary to use a palladium-covered set of titanium rods for electrodes? This may be a moot point for me now. Either my unit will be repaired, or we’ll use its electrodes in a homemade unit. However, I still wonder about the materials used for water ionizer electrodes. I appreciate your input. Thanks in advance. Nenah Nenah Sylver, PhD author, //The Rife Handbook// //of Frequency Therapy and Holistic Health// healing from cancer and other diseases with non-invasive, effective technology suppressed by the medical cartel until recently **www.nenahsylver.com** <http://www.nenahsylver.com>
Re: CS>silver in contact with metal
Hi Nenah, I've done this very thing in the past with no noticeable effect to the ultrasonic disc - I'm not saying there was no plating at all, just that the thing kept on working over many many times with no discernable degradation or change in appearance. In the past, I've adapted them for friends, mostly blocking off part of the volume so one didn't have to pour a quart of CS into it to get an ounce or two of the fog into the air. For absorbing the CS into one's lungs, a towel or such over one's head and over the humidifier works well. The disc is actually a ceramic and is plated on both sides with a thin coating of , I think, Aluminum which is passivated. The system works by putting a rapidly varying voltage across the disc, which causes the disc to vibrate. In fact, the disc is actually acting like a crystal, much like the crystals in a radio transmitter or an electronic wristwatch but at a Much Much lower rate, and it's actually a part of the very circuit that causes it to oscillate, a variable resistor that changes it's resistance as it changes it's shape. When a voltage is applied to the disc, the disc changes shape, getting fatter, say, or bowing up or down. This agitates the water, and a fog of water vapor rises up from the water's surface. That's why the ultrasonic humidifiers - unlike heat driven ones which boil the water - can fog the CS water successfully, silver particles and all. The side of the disc you see and that is in touch with the water is the "grounded" side, and if you look you can also see a little prong that is immersed in the water down to a low level, so the thing shuts off when the water (or CS) gets low, thus protecting the ceramic disc from overheating. All in all a pretty trick device. Same basic device is used in removeable contact-eye-lens cleaners. If you'd like more info let me know. Yours, Malcolm On 8/5/2016 1:12 PM, Nenah Sylver wrote: List, I wanted to put colloidal silver into my humidifier, which I run at night. However, the ultrasonic mechanism of the humidifier is a metal disc. (I don’t know what type of metal it is.) I was wondering if the metal might cause the silver to plate out into particulates, or affect it adversely in some other way. Does anyone know? Thanks in advance. Nenah Nenah Sylver, PhD author, The Rife Handbook **www.nenahsylver.com** <http://www.holistichealthconferences.com/> **World Class Healers and Scientists at upcoming Rife and Holistic Health Conference** Tempe, Arizona: October 8-9, 2016 **www.HolisticHealthConferences.com** <http://www.holistichealthconferences.com/>
Re: CS>silver in contact with metal
Peroxide may well remove the metal deposited originally on the disc to
provide the necessary electric connection; there's no need to do this.
Just run the thing, it works fine!
Malcolm
On 8/6/2016 8:07 AM, Robert Larson wrote:
thanks for the explanation!
So do you think silver will plate out on the ultrasonic disc?
Do you like the idea of running peroxide through it to clean it?
Peroxide will remove silver.
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CS>an interesting post on slashdot.org
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this might be asking a little too much of AI?
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Re: CS>Adding anything to CS is counterproductive
Phil, I've looked at the paper from SCIENCE you reference, and it would seem the preferential reactions you rely on for your conclusions only occur at a temp of ~250deg. C.; not good for children and other living things, e.g. cooked. Further, it is monomolecular silver IONS which form the majority - ~85% - of silver particles (an ion is a particle too, just dissolved in the water solute due to it's electrical valance. Perhaps you know of more research in the area that responds to this temperature problem and the multi-molecular state of the particles? As a side issue to the above, one can use silver citrate, silver nitrate (as is done in the science experiment you reference), and probably a few others which are water-acid soluble and could yield multimolecular silver particles, as for example the AgNP's, but the effects of some of these (NO3) would be unhealthy to humans in higher concentrations. Please comment; Thanks, Malcolm On 5/6/2017 11:22 PM, Phil Morrison wrote: Hi James, AgNP stands for silver nanoparticle. AgNP dissociates oxygen molecules into individual atoms which diffuse throughout the atomic lattice structure of the silver particle. The silver particle literally carries atomic oxygen around until it meets a pathogen. Then, the activated oxygen fries the pathogen on contact. That's why it's important to keep those AgNP surfaces clean as possible. The addition of CS enhances the performance of sols, anti-biotics, and other apps, for sure, but some combinations I've seen hereabouts are not net positive. For further study, see below: https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms12251
Re: CSDissolved ions
Hi Trem, I don't know if this question has been laid to rest by now, but for what it's worth, there are two ways one substance dissolves in another - and remains dissolved; one is in the ionic form, the other is covalent. By the time you are down the size scale to atoms or molecules of an element - or molecules of a compound - which is dissolved in another; well, that is indeed dissolved. Table salt - sodium chloride - is a compound of two elements with very strong electrochemical properties and dissolving it in water is an ionic process. Dissolving alcohol in water is a covalent process, the molecules of alcohol do not dissociate into ions the way table salt does, they just have characteristics that allow them to commingle freely with Aitch Two Oh. Water is often represented as H-O-H, and alcohol has a very similar O-H hanging off of the molecule; works for them. To make this a little more rigorous it's necessary to define molecule: a molecule of a substance is the smallest unit of that substance which still retains the character of the substance. This definition, like almost all definitions has taken a few hits, since many molecules insist on forming or existing as pairs or other multiples with their own kind, even in solutions. Nevertheless these pairs (or whatevers) do not continue to agglomerate in their solvent until they fall out of solution - unless the solution is super saturated - and if it is, then an equilibrium (equal liberty, yes?) is established between the amount that can be held in solution and the amount that will re-form as the undissolved substance. Shades of making rock candy from sugar water! By the way, if you can dissolve an atom you are up there with Pons and Fleischman, and the biological transmutation folks . . . . . . . Arcane and fascinating stuff! Take care, Malcolm At 11:56 AM 5/19/04 -0700, you wrote: Thanks Marshall. That's what I thought but couldn't seem to convince the fellow. I knew the colloids could be seen via the Tyndall effect but also knew that an atom is too small to reflect any light so I was still at an impasse as far as whether the atoms were dissolved or not. I'm pretty sure he won't be convinced. Oh well. Trem - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 11:38 AM Subject: [silver_list] Re: CSDissolved ions Anything that is mixed with water and does not precipitate out must be either dissolved or a stable colloid. Colloids can generally be detected by Tyndall effect, and the ions are not colloid. I think another definition is that colloids can be removed via centrafuge, whereas dissolved substances cannot. Once again, I believe that the ions meet the definition for being dissolved. His comment that an atom is an atom has no bearing, we are not talking about an atom, but an ion. For instance, common salt breaks down into a sodium ion and a chlorine ion when it is dissolved in water. Marshall Trem wrote: Hi List, Something has been bothering me for some time and recently I got into a friendly discussion regarding ions and colloids. I said the silver ions were dissolved in the water. He said that was not truean ion was an atom missing an electron in the outer ring or one with an additional electron in the ring. He went on to state that the atom was still an atom and was not dissloved but just in intimate contact with and intimitely surrounded by the water. He stated that the atom does not dissolve by being in the water. I tried to look it up but am not a chemist or physiscist so this is way over my head. I did see a couple of sites that showed an artist rendition of an atom surrounded by water but not dissolved even though by definition it was called dissolved. I saw many CS sites that say the ions are dissolved but I suspect many of them are just spouting what they saw on another CS site so I would like a definitive simple explanation if anyone can give it. Thanks. Trem -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.686 / Virus Database: 447 - Release Date: 5/14/04 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.686 / Virus Database: 447 - Release Date: 5/14/04
Re: CSregarding bladder infections more
Hi Bill, I'm curious about your - and your wife's - experiences with CS for UTI's. I've had inconsistent results using it as a topical bladder irrigant. I've considered using DMSO mixed with the CS, but have held off since my skin seems to be much more sensitive to DMSO than most people's. I think the progress of ionic silver through the stomach, etc., is a more complex subject than the usual analogy of silver chloride can account for, and arguments to particular superiority I've seen here ignore the effects of HCl and other stomach contents on metallic silver particles. How could particulate silver make it through the kidney anyway, though? Aren't there studies of blood concentrations of dissolved - ionic? covalent?? - silver, post-ingestion, or post-injection? What about excretion, isn't that about 85% through the urine, what form is it in then, or does this all differ between mostly particulate vs. mostly ionic CS? You said: ...[E]lemental silver which produces ions at the site of infection., but why does it? Dr. Becker measured DC nano-currents at the site of limb amputations, then later discovered that the current direction, which seemed to govern appropriate re-generation of limbs for salamanders, was largely (surprisingly) immaterial in the regeneration of bone and tissue when healing recalcitrant fractures in humans. The presence of silver ions was both necessary and sufficient, though. So what, in a wound or insult, provokes the silver to ionize?? I guess we're lucky that corpora-gova-mega-mint-funded research hasn't appropriated CS and all its mysterious puzzles right out of our grasp for the 'Public' good . . . yet, anyway. By all means, please dig! Take care, Malcolm At 06:56 AM 6/15/04 -0500, you wrote: Some types of cs don't get to the urethras, ureters and to the faucets Ole Coyote so deftly refers to . . . HCl in the stomach turns the ionic portion of it to silver chloride which is not as effective as elemental silver which produces ions at the site of infection. When I have time, I will dig up the science a tsp or 2 daily of our 20 ppm, small particle (under 2 nm), low ionic CS Bill mailto:b...@utopiatexas.commailto:b...@utopiatexas.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.686 / Virus Database: 447 - Release Date: 5/14/04
Re: CSNebulizer information needed, please
Hi; These things - ultrasonic nebulizers-humidifiers - litter the thrift stores, go for about $3 to $6. Inside, or rather down at the bottom, they all seem to have the same little element. It may be that some of the drive electronics are better than others, so far I haven't detected any differences in performance, they've all worked well. The capacity of the tank (1 gallon, 2, 'personal') doesn't make any difference as far as the active element is concerned, they all function in a depth over the element of an inch or so of liquid, and they all have a sensor to shut off if the liquid gets low. Take care, Malcolm At 03:00 PM 7/13/04 -0700, you wrote: i bought mine off of ebay. 1.7 gallon, ultrasonic, factory re-certified, and paid 18.99 + shipping. - Original Message - From: oldgl...@bigcountry.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 9:02 PM Subject: CSNebulizer information needed, please Hi, I'm going to buy a nebulizer for my Mother to use with Colloidal Silver. We found there is cancer in her lungs, which is causing a great deal of coughing. I gather the finer the mist, the better the nebulizer? If this is true, can anyone please tell me what brand to buy? Thank you, Jean Baugh -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.686 / Virus Database: 447 - Release Date: 5/14/04 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.686 / Virus Database: 447 - Release Date: 5/14/04
Re: CSPersonal Emergency Curtailing List Participation
Dear Brooks; It is not your design, but it is my response to feel sorrow for your losses, both of you. I have lost friends who were animals, who were people in the truest sense, whom I loved dearly. I'm glad - honored - I got to know them. . . . was allowed to, was able to, learned to. You have given so much, not only to this list, to the wild world and many of its residents and their homes, it seems a cruel and ironic twist of fate that you should lose yours. I hope there is some counterbalancing benevolence which will return some of your gift to you. Yours, in whatever way will help; Malcolm At 10:34 PM 7/15/04 -0600, you wrote: Dear List Members, I will be unable to participate in the list dialogue for a while. I find it necessary to unsubsribe at present..my home of 40 years burned today---with all of our pets. Only my wife (although suffering painful non life-threatening injuries) survived the fire and that is my greatest blessing. We will require a little while to grieve over our three dogs, parrot, prairie dog, and four of our cats. At our stage in life they constitute attachments equal...almost... to our children and grandchildren. This message is not designed to generate sympathy in any form, but, rather to let you know exactly why I will not be posting for a while. You have all been splendid intellectual companions and, God willingmaybe so once again.soon. My very best and warmest regards to you all. Sincerely, Brooks. Harborne Research Foundation --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.686 / Virus Database: 447 - Release Date: 5/14/04
Re: CSNebulizer Question
Hi Bill, you might want to check out the archives (url at the bottom of the page) for Brooks Bradley's posts on acquiring a nebulizer; Much cheaper, and as good as the very best! This also offers the alternative of using straight oxygen as the nebulizing gas should you wish to, which can be a real benefit for serious conditions. Or you could try one of the ultrasonic humidifiers, they make a very fine fog. Watch out if using most air compressors, as many of them can incorporate oily mist and vapors in their output. I saw you mentioned having an air filter in the line which is a very good idea, but it may not do the whole job, or it could fail. Also some of the lubricant may be evaporated - the more volatile components for instance - And oiling your lungs is Just Not a good idea!! Some air compressors are the diaphragm type and normally no lubricant will get past the diaphragm and into the pressure side. Another alternative is to get compressed air from a dive shop and reduce the scuba tank's high pressure with a suitable high pressure regulator. Oxygen regulators work fine for this, but demand regulators like divers use don't give you any pressure. Take care, Malcolm At 02:06 PM 7/17/04 +, you wrote: Hello everyone: I tried to buy a nebulizer at a medical supply store and was told I needed a prescription. However I could buy the aerosol mask with the cup and the air supply tubing. I have a 5 to 40 pound air regulator and an air filter. I put them all together and hooked it to my air compressor. At very low pressure I am getting a vapor out of the mask. My question is, using Colloidal Siver in the unit, is the silver rising with the vapor in to the mask? Bill Amos -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.686 / Virus Database: 447 - Release Date: 5/14/04 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.686 / Virus Database: 447 - Release Date: 5/14/04
Re: CSHow much CS I take...
Mike, I've noticed a rather serious effect which I thought deserved some comment, since I've observed it in my own case as well as in your comments: Cohabitation with their children causes attention deficit disorder in previously normal adults. Not even Colloidal Silver can help here. Take care, Malcolm BTW; Susie, I follow Mike's regimen strictly, except sometimes I'll use a glass. Or, if I think I'm getting a cold I've got a little spritzer to spritz it up my nose - works! At 12:06 PM 9/17/04 +00-05, you wrote: Susie wants to know: What kind of dosages do individual people take and why and what has it helped? Okay, I'll get the ball rolling: I make CS using low voltage DC with a current control diode in the line. My main electrode is a 1 oz silver bullion coin. So I have a pretty low current density, which probably results in a largely ionic CS, as well as particles of reasonably small size. There's a weak Tyndall effect that's only visible in a darkened room. I have no clue what the ppm is. If nothing in particular is going on, I'll take a swallow or two a week, whenever I think about it. No, I can't get any more precise than that unless you want me to take a swallow and spit it out into a measuring cup... sheesh!! grin If I think I'm at risk of some kind of plague, I'll up that to a swallow or two per day until I lose interest and fall back to my normal habit. If I seem to be *getting* such a plague, I'll take several swallows a day, whenever I think about it, until the danger seems to be past. By take a swallow I mean pouring a few glugs (uncalibrated) into my upturned mouth (so as not to contaminate the bottle of CS with my saliva), then swishing it around as long as I can, which is usually limited by my rather short attention span, forgetfulness, or the need to verbally reprimand my daughter for whacking her brother with the end of a broom handle... Ahem! What was I saying? This may mean anywhere from a few seconds to several minutes. It is not readily quantified. What has it helped? Well, my first efforts with CS yielded a period of 3 1/2 years in which I didn't get so much as a cold. That was after at least a decade of recurrent bronchitis and strep infections and multiple courses of antibiotics each year. Of course I did eventually catch a respiratory plague of some sort after having gotten slack in taking it. Since then I have only rarely gotten ill, and always during those slack times I've not been using much CS. One thing for sure is that I have not needed a single antibiotic in the 7 or so years I've been taking CS. In fact, no one else in my family has, either. Nowadays, I'm using CS as part of a modified 4-part Beck protocol as a substitute for the parasite cleanse recommended before doing the Clark style liver cleanses I've been doing since January or February. So at least every other week I'm taking regular doses of CS leading up to my next cleanse. The cleanses are certainly yielding the predicted output of stones, and have apparently given me a bit of an energy boost. I plan to persist until the yield drops off and my liver is cleansed. There. That's my story and I'm sticking to it! Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.686 / Virus Database: 447 - Release Date: 5/14/04 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.686 / Virus Database: 447 - Release Date: 5/14/04
Re: CSquestion about purity of CS wires
Hi; I'd like to try clarifying this discussion if I can. The purity of refined precious metals such as silver, gold, platinum group, etc., is generally stated in terms of parts or percent of silver to other - usually metallic - elements in the sample. For instance .999 fine silver (or gold, etc.,) is 99.9% pure silver, meaning that one tenth of one percent of the sample may be something other than pure silver. It may be gold or copper or bismuth or other substances or oxides of these . generally thisa is also commonly referred to as three nines fine. The degree of purity can be either higher or lower; for instance there is .99 fine silver which is 99% pure and so has one percent other than pure silver, or . fine silver which is silver with less than one one-hundredth of one percent of another substance mixed in with it. . or four nines silver is also a lot more expensive - I mean a LOT - than three nines, at least when bought as wire or other industrial forms. Five nines is also occasionally available and and I was told it is surcharged about $300.00 per ounce to commercial accounts, and not to hold my breath while waiting for some to become available open market. Malcolm Marshalee Hallett wrote: Above .999 comes 100 % pure, not 1%. Marshalee List, I would think that the designation regarding the purity of the silver wires, 99.99% pure, would be correct. Why, then, do I see . stamped on silver bullion? Because the next designation is 1.0, and 1.0 % pure doesn't make sense. Please explain. (I'm putting this in the Appendix of my Rife book, and the corrections are being made over the weekend, so I need an answer FAST!) Many thanks. Nina Silver, no relation -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSChronic Renal Kidney Disease CRF
Your bio-drive is working, I have the book - at least if I can ever get it back from my friends - ; fascinating stuff, especially the regeneration of amputated extremities and nerve regrowth/guidance. James Osbourne, Holmes wrote: Helpful, non-pejorative correction. See Robert Beckers The Electric Body for information on this. It is The Body Electric if my bio-drive is working. James-Osbourne: Holmes -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSChronic Renal Kidney Disease CRF
Perhaps, if you are fortunate enough to be left - handed, it's just left-right reversal. Marshall Dudley wrote: Gosh, I am awful old to getting dyslexic. : Marshall James Osbourne, Holmes wrote: Helpful, non-pejorative correction. See Robert Beckers The Electric Body for information on this. It is The Body Electric if my bio-drive is working. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSonline discussion with Barrett on Friday, Jan. 25, at 1 p.m. ET.
Hi; glass is where the world ends, right? All else is illusion (thass TV to us human fish.) I believe I have the book you mentioned, or one like it, on the shelf about 75 miles north of here. Haven't read it all, but his argument for vaccination leads to violent behavior patterns seemed to have some good research behind it. I didn't poke further, too many things on my plate at the time. But in a similar vein of free-floating paranoia, what do you suppose was in the chemtrails, and could it possibly have had something to do with the yapping dog response we got to 9/11; I know we're all supposed to be dumb twits in a crowd anyway, but I was seriously amazed(not only at the speedy orchestration of our politco-militaristic machine) by how politally correct mindless hatred has become. I'm still waiting - and preparing - for the other shoe to drop. Malcolm James Osbourne, Holmes wrote: Thank You. Assuming your research is valid, have confirmed my intuition. So much of what we think is our culture is this paid-for manipulation of our information and deeply held beliefs. How do you explain glass to a goldfish? Another good example is Militia Watchdog. Run by an alleged History PhD who is clever at eliciting argument about factual trivia to lead people away from the big lie issues underlying everything. A quite benign but fact-filled site that I ran for a while was listed as a potential terrorist site. It was laughable, but many people probable took it seriously. Do you have data you can share privately regarding his connections? I have placed the acsh.org link into my Disinformation folder. Yes, Virginia, vaccines are really safe Have you seen Dr. Richard Moskowitz's book on childhood vaccinations? James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Catherine Creel [mailto:ccr...@maine.rr.com] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 3:15 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSonline discussion with Barrett on Friday, Jan. 25, at 1 p.m. ET. Hi James, You said: A couple of years ago I tried to have a friendly dialogue with him re: CS. Not possible. I presumed thereafter a high probability that he is a paid disinformation agent. I understand that Dr. Hulda Clark et al are suing him for all of the false statements that he has published about her. I hope they nail him. He is a serious threat to alt med. He is involved in a number of lawsuits, some of which he has won, some he's lost, and some still pending. He is backed by the chemical and pharmaceutical industries. This private not-for-profit is a front for his work. www.acsh.org Those who don't take him seriously have no idea the depth of his connections. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS'bagged' cathode
Hi Kevin, something you might want to try; sounds indecent, but somebody's got to do itg. Naturalamb condoms are made from (ugh!) sheep intestine, and are permeable to a degree. They have been used successfully in electroplating experiments. Another option is unglazed plant pots, but you'll have to seal off the hole in the bottom - maybe silicone rubber? Have fun, Malcolm Kevin Nolan wrote: Hello all. Another report on trying to eliminate plate-out, inspired by a recent mailing to and from 'Ole Bob'. Some months ago I posted a speculation that wrapping a cathode in eg artificial chamois may dramatically reduce plate-out - because that would greatly reduce the amount of fresh fluid contacting the cathode surface. Since then Bob posted a comment about success using cotton bias tape wrapping - what is called 'bagging the electrode'. I have tried it using fairly thick cotton twill, wrapped twice around a stainless steel plate (40mm X 200mm section) and secured with small rubber bands. For everything else the same, current is reduced about 20% - from ~ 8.5mA to ~ 6.5mA owing to cotton wrap. The big improvement is a dramatic reduction in cathode plate-out, which is now just a thin, fairly adherent film that barely stains the cotton (only at the plate edges). No gunk fall out, no filtering, perfectly clear and sparkly free CS, with moderate levels of both tyndale and metallic taste. NOTE: This is using demineralised water to which citric acid was added, which dramatically boosts conductivity. It means the majority of charge carriers reaching the cathode and reducing there will be H+ ions, not Ag+. Not sure how effective wrapping would be using the traditional LVDC method - ie relying on residual impurities in DW to start things yields nearly all the positive ions in solution as Ag+. regards, Kevin Nolan
Re: CSEye test
Hey wow!! I'm a genius - or dysleksuch. Forest?? What forest?? Connie wrote: Count the number of F's in the following text: FINISHED FILES ARE THE RESULT OF YEARS OF SCIENTIFIC STUDY COMBINED WITH THE EXPERIENCE OF YEARS Managed it? Scroll down only after you have counted them! OK? How many? Three? Wrong, there are six - no joke! Read again! FINISHED FILES ARE THE RESULT OF YEARS OF SCIENTIFIC STUDY COMBINED WITH THE EXPERIENCE OF YEARS The reasoning is further down... The brain cannot process the word OF. Incredible or what? Anyone who counts all six F's on the first go is a genius Three is normal.
Re: CSVeterinarian Faces Fine for Burning Infected Carcasses
Hi Connie; This seems to be what government is all about nowadays, screwing over people to get money from them and control them. Whatever the lawmakers, enforcers, or judges may say, almost no laws are used to improve the situation, defuse controversy, or aid the victims of crimes. There are people in legal work, enforcement, and the judiciary who try and succeed to do well for those who become entangled in the web, but not very many of them, most are in it for money and power. As Meyer would say, Scroom!! As my friend Mic replied, on the theory they deserved no pleasure at all: Unscroom!! I went to wuf'n'pur last night, thought your Orange Emperor with the name I can't remember was Magnificent! Wow what personality comes through that pic, He's something else! The others were also beautiful, especially liked the color on the silver moonbeam momma cat, but he caught my attention. Take care, the Kefir is good - I like the grains best of all, not yet making extra to a noticeable extent... Guess I'll try what one is supposed to when all else fails, and read the directions. Any little hints would be appreciated, toog. Malcolm Connie wrote: Source: New York Times http://www.nytimes.com/2002/03/01/health/01ANTH.html Veterinarian Faces Fine for Burning Infected Carcasses - - The veterinarian who discovered the Ames strain of anthrax is being fined by the State of Texas for burning carcasses infected with anthrax and other diseases - the only safe method, he says, to get rid of the health danger. Public health officials have struggled for decades to dispose of dead infected animals in a way that protects nearby human populations from accidental exposure and death. The World Health Organization says the preferred method is carcass burning, whether in pits, with flame guns, on the open ground, or in commercial incinerators. High temperatures, the agency stipulates, are the best way to make sure that all anthrax spores are destroyed. But the Texas Natural Resource Conservation Commission last year proposed fining the veterinarian, Michael L. Vickers, $9000 for burning infected carcasses in a pit behind his office, Las Palmas Veterinary Hospital, on Highway 281 a mile outside Falfurrias, Tex. On Tuesday, Dr. Vickers was in Austin to fight the fine before an administrative judge hearing cases of the conservation commission. The agency, he said in a telephone interview, is more interested in promoting air quality than in safeguarding against anthrax, a bacteria with deadly spores that can live for decades underground and could be collected by terrorists for lethal assaults. In 1981, Dr. Vickers isolated from a dead cow the strain of anthrax that eventually came to be known as Ames, the type used in letter attacks that killed 5 people last fall. But the commission maintains that Dr. Vickers broke the state law when he burned the carcasses over the last few years and must pay the fine. Until this year, veterinarians in Texas were permitted to burn infected cattle only in commercial incinerators, not open pits. The law otherwise states that the diseased bodies must go into landfills. Dr. Vickers argues that infected carcasses in landfills are time bombs waiting to go off. Some kid is going to dig it up and die, he said. About 20 counties in Texas have had outbreaks of anthrax in animals in the last few years, with attendant human cases. Last year, a ranch hand who skinned a buffalo fell ill but survived after 9 days of hospitalization. Dr. Vickers won a round when the Texas Legislature passed a measure, now a law, that says veterinarians in counties with 10 000 residents or fewer can burn diseased carcasses. That frees him to burn near Falfurrias, which is in Brooks County near the Rio Grande. But Dr. Vickers is still on a crusade to free veterinarians in populous counties, as well. No commercial incinerators are available in Texas for large-animal veterinarians, he said, and if they existed, shipping infected carcasses there would entail hauling them long distances over public roads, creating health dangers. He does have a good point, Adria Dawidczik, spokeswoman for the commission, said of the incineration problems. As for Dr. Vickers's case, Mrs. Dawidczik said, even though he can legally burn carcasses now, he still has his earlier violations, which began with a neighbor's complaints. The two-day hearing in Austin ended yesterday. We just laid out the facts, Dr. Vickers said. Bothering a neighbor with occasional smoke, he added, was a small price for disposing of pathogens that could endanger the lives of millions of people. Mrs. Dawidczik said the judge would make his recommendation soon. The ultimate decision would fall to the full commission, which is expected to meet on this issue in July. Martin Hugh-Jones, who helped the World Health Organization draft its disposal guidelines, said Dr
Re: CS OT, help!
Hi Marshalee; I don't know if what you are getting is what I got, but I believe it is similar. It may be an entirely different kettle of fish, though (in other words, you can't take my word for a darn thing!) Anyway, my test consisted of several parts; one was to stimulate muscles with tiny electrical pulses introduced through - essentially - acupuncture needles and to read the muscles' response througfh other needles. This measured the extent to which the various parts of the muscle were still innervated, and also the degree of - I think it was called entrainment - where the part of the muscle acting from stimulation would itself stimulate the rest of it to contract. Another part sounds really awful, but really wasn't too bad. The docs zapped me in the back of the knee with a cattle prod, or something pretty much like it, and measured the time it took the reflex arc to complete. I nailed one doc in the stomach, and shoved him into his machine, which broke it, which I guess meant my reflex arc was abnormally fast, but ended that part of the test, anyhow. So by now you probably know what you got; was it anything like this or are my docs just barbarians? g Malcolm Marshalee Hallett wrote: Dear Silverlisters, I`m supposed to have a nerve induction test this afternoon. Has anyone had one of them? Is it gonna be nasty??? Marshalee -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS OT, help!
Well, somebody's got to train those residents, it's just up to us patients to do the job now and then.g Malcolm cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote: First rule of common sense is to at least be out of reach... Dumb Doc! Chuck Frogs are smart--they eat what bugs them! On Sat, 09 Mar 2002 15:29:02 -0800, Malcolm Stebbins s...@asis.com wrote: I nailed one doc in the stomach, and shoved him into his machine, which broke it, which I guess meant my reflex arc was abnormally fast, but ended that part of the test, anyhow. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMeasuring conductivity
Hi, measuring conductance, the inverse of resistance, is a little tougher than one might think; it depends on the size of the electrodes and their spacing, and some other parameters, too. Short form, two electrodes, each of 1 centimeter area, separated by 1 centimeter (cm). But you can't just plop some arrangement into a glass of water, conductivity will occur all over the place - out to the side and back in again, the water will be drifting through the test area, etc., etc. Also, temperature can play a big part in 'correcting' the reading to a standard. You're probably right to expect some residual contamination from your used machine. First, it has been used, and the water where it was used may have plated out some 'scale' inside the boiler or condenser, second, the stainless steel may be giving up some metal ions to the distilled water - surely not many, but perhaps enough to affect the conductivity. One component of almost all commercial stainless steels is nickel - which is not good for you. I don't know that such a thing is happening, but the lab grade stills all are made of Pyrex or similar glass and have no metal in contact with the water being distilled; there's probably a reason. Take care, Malcolm herx wrote: Hello list, I need advice on measuring the conductivity of water. I recently bought a used water distiller, and the starting current for CS is 20%-50% higher than it was previously with store-bought distilled water, with all other factors being equal. The logical conclusion is that my Kenmore (mfg by Ecowater) distilled water is of lesser quality than the DW I get from the grocery store. Current is still MUCH lower than with tap water, so I know the distiller is doing something. But is it enough? I ran one gallon through the distiller twice to see if there was a difference, but it resulted in roughly the same initial current as a gallon that had been distilled only once. Ill have to repeat this experiment a few times to see if any pattern develops. I'd like to measure the conductivity of water from both sources to compare quality. Ive read on this list that conductivity should be 2uS or less to be suitable for making CS. Is there a way I can calculate conductivity using my simple 7-function digital multimeter? I dont want to blow $50-$100 on a PWT tester. I have enough trouble getting a simple resistance reading of my circuit through the DW the readout never holds still and jumps over a wide range of values; maybe Im doing it wrong. But I can still calculate resistance by dividing voltage by current (is that right? I think I saw Ivan post to that effect a few weeks ago). Any advice will be appreciated __ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBubbler-induced contamination
Before you give up on this particular (g) theory, try doing the bubbling while putting a current through the DW; perhaps stainless steel (yummy, love that nickel!) or carbon electrodes? or more seriously use a permeable membrane such as good ol' cellophane to trap ions out of the DW. Similar to but a bit more effective than the baggingsuggested to reduce silver oxide. Take care, Malcolm John A. Stanley wrote: In article 7apo849zbmvd09...@natel.net, j...@natel.net (John A. Stanley) wrote: There has been concern expressed on the Yahoo CS Group (formerly CS Club) about bubbling introducing things that would form silver compound contaminants during CS generation. I wouldn't think LVDC would be enough to make any nitrogen compounds. Could using a bubbler make undesirable levels of silver oxide? Or wee tiny amounts of silver carbonate? Well, I took their advice and ran my bubbler through DW for a few hours to see if there would be any changes. They predicted increased tyndall and higher readings on a meter. The starting DW registered .8 on the Hanna PWT and there were a few random sparklies but no tyndall. After bubbling for four hours the sparklies/tyndall were unchanged and the water registered .6 on the Hanna PWT. Of course, different things could be happening while current is flowing through the water, but I can't help but think this issue is about as important as worrying about .999 vs. . silver. The bottom line is that my bubbled CS works. -- John A. Stanley j...@natel.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSurinary tract infection
Hello Brooks; This post interests me because I have a chronic urogenic bladder due to spinal cord injury 38 years ago; L1-L5 compression fracture resulting from a motorcycle accident. In the more recent past I have had two operations for bladder stone removal, three and two years ago. for about the past eight years I have taken oxybutynin chloride (ditropan is essentially identical, curare for the bladderg) to reduce spasming and the exacerbation of diverticulae as well as the possibility of reflux to the kidneys. I'm under the care of the SCI center at the Palo Alto VA Hospital as an outpatient. Shortly after the second stone removal I contracted an infection requiring I.V. drip of Gentamycin alternating with Vancomycin for 4 days; painful and frightening, probably a hospital bug. I realized I'd better rely on something more than the VA for possible future resistant infections, and began making colloidal silver per Thom. Miller's site plans. Since I intermittently cath, using neosporin as a lubricant, I attempted irrigating with the CS as well as taking orally , but had no real success in supressing infections - back to the pill bottle. Since then, I've built a constant current, relay flip-flop, generator with stirring and thus improved the quality of my CS, but have hesitated to try it as an irrigant since on one memorable occasion I apparently innoculated myself with something other than CS - back to the pill bottle. I regularly irrigate with Suby's G solution, a buffered citric acid solution, without problems. I noted your inclusion of DMSO, 5% in the irrigating solution and would very much appreciate learning of other experimental protocols you might be aware of directly or otherwise. I really do need to manage my own health concerns on this problem, since the VA Health Care System is relatively - say rather absolutely - inflexible in such matters. There are some good Doc.s but they are constrained by the system. Thanks very much, Malcolm Brooks Bradley wrote: Dear Lee, We experienced rather successful results for a number of such infections via the avenue of Colloidal Silver (95% by volume) X DMSO (5% by volume) irrigations of the urinary tract.of both animals (dogs primarily) and humans. In one, particular, case involving a 65 year old human malehis presenting condition had so inflamed the mouth of the bladder that the implementation of a size 28 Van Buren curve was required Such marlinspikes have struck terror into my own heart. . . . for dilating the muscle opening sufficiently to accomodate a small catheter..allowing direct injection of the CS solution into the bladder. 250 ml of solution (20 ppm) strength was introduced and the catheter withdrawn immediately. This protocol was repeated every 6 hours -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSurinary track infection
Hi; Contradictory evidence time!! (Sorry, and I don't mean to play my experience is more true than your experience) Cranberry juice, yes; I got so sick of that stuff when I was in the hospital I just about threw up. Of course their juice was much more concentrated than the commercial stuff and had little if any added sugars. CS has not been a big winner for UTI's in my very limited experience so far, either orally or as an irrigant, but as I said, very limited experience. Alkaline urine, No. Quite the contrary in fact. I have reduced my rate of infection to practically zero by taking copious amounts of (sometimes) unbuffered Vit C, about 6 - 8 grams daily divided into 3 or more doses. Brand and source seem relatively unimportant, though the stuff now supplied me by the VA seems particularly vile and hard on the stomach as well. I also consume lots of oranges and other Vit. C rich foods in conjunction with the pills, which seems to work better than either alone. I've heard there are both left-hand and right-hand isomers of Vit. C, but haven't explored this option yet; if you know of something please let me know too. I often check pH, though no longer each and every time, and keep things acidic. I have a decent binocular microscope with darkfield condensor, and a small centrifuge, and follow up on any signs or suspicions of infection with urinalysis and CS from a lab. Sooo, that's what works for me, what works for you works for you, and that's life I guessg. Take care, Malcolm Nick Grant wrote: Hi Lee Having suffer with a bladder complaint for about 12 years, I have learnt that not all bladder infections happen because of the same cause. Cranberry is a good preventative for bladder infections. CS seems to work well on them as well. In females, it can be sexual relations that play a big part in some infections, so different things can help this from occurring. In males, dunno...got me there...I am not male so didn't explore that one, sorry. But Cranberry could work well in both sexes. Drinking loads of water helps, and keeping the urine alkaline as possible, as an acid environment helps the bacteria to adhere to the sides of the bladder and multiply. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSurinary track infection
Hi, I don't go along with your comment that an acidic environment in the urinary tract is linked to bladder or kidney stones, in fact I think it's just the opposite. Generally the stones are a compound of calcium, and can even be dissolved by adding acidic solutions to a chunk of one. There may be something, or some form of stone, I don't know about, or maybe there is some bodily reaction to the constant presence of an acidic environment, so if you have knowledge about some specifics I'd like to learn of them. Quite often, bacteria hide inside the stones, thus avoiding total destruction by the usual antibiotic regimen, and after even months of pills they return when the ABX are gone and in a few days to a week or so, there you are, yucky pee again. Malcolm Kathie Jones wrote: I suppose, any variance from a standard range of normal is what the bacterium that are often the culprits for urinary tract infections are fond of. Other bacteria may well favor a more acidic environment that what is * normal * and decreasing acid levels would discourage their staying. Too much acid in *some* people, over a period of many weeks or months, is linked to kidney stones. BUT...often there is something else going on that is encouraging this * i.e. consumption of too much soda *high carbonic acid levels*, genetic predisposition, imbalances in other parts of the bodies digestive or endocrine system. All in all, it goes back to Vit C helps the body's immune system *kick in* and kick out bacterial invaders, and is known to be especially efficient at combating UTIs when combined with cranberry. I stopped using cranberry juice, and switched to tablets a long time ago as the sugar in the drinks actually did the urinary system a disservice when trying to fight and infection. I have had HUGE success when doing this for myself, my daughter, hubby and my dog. :-) Gotta keep all the family members happy! *G* Kathie Hm... I was always under the impression that bacteria, and viruses liked to live in an Acidic environment Grant.. Kathie Jones wrote: LOTS of vitamin C and CS will do amazing things! :-) And don't forget cranberry tablets. The cranberry keeps the bacteria that is causing the infection from being able to * adhere * to the urinary system walls, the C makes the urine acidic * the bacteria like an alkaline environment*, and the CS will kill the bacteria off. Kathie -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSurinary track infection
Hey Nick!! Be kind, give the lady her own mailbox, ok? Nick Grant wrote: Tell my husband that Kevin - he is always to busy for minor details like that! :) If people read the whole e-mail, they would see my name at the bottom anyway - maybe one of the downsides of skim reading perhaps? TRACY!!! - Original Message - From: Kevin Nolan ken...@optusnet.com.au To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, 2 April 2002 00:25 Subject: Re: CSurinary track infection Tracy wrote: I am not male so didn't explore that one, sorry. OK, but your e-mail header always appears as Nick Grant. Might it not be better to change something here? Kevin Nolan - Original Message - From: Nick Grant nwgr...@inet.net.nz To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 3:04 PM Subject: Re: CSurinary track infection Hi Lee Having suffer with a bladder complaint for about 12 years, I have learnt that not all bladder infections happen because of the same cause. Cranberry is a good preventative for bladder infections. CS seems to work well on them as well. In females, it can be sexual relations that play a big part in some infections, so different things can help this from occurring. In males, dunno...got me there...I am not male so didn't explore that one, sorry. But Cranberry could work well in both sexes. Drinking loads of water helps, and keeping the urine alkaline as possible, as an acid environment helps the bacteria to adhere to the sides of the bladder and multiply. Tracy -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSurinary track infection
Hi Tracy; Yeah, understood, I do that too. But re: cranberry in the presence of an infection I have always assumed the reason they 'force fed' me cranberry juice was to prevent bacteria from being able to adhere, as you say, and that is valuable during an infection as well as being helpful as preventive 'prophylaxis'. Comment?? Irritation may be from a number of things including wierd solvents the body can't deal with properly that dissipate through the kidneys as much by default as any other mechanism; truly, piling more insult on top of that is not kind to the bladder wall and might goad the cells to madness, but this is getting out into the realm of wild speculation. Malcolm Nick Grant wrote: I think what makes sense here is differentiating between bladder in the bladder, and bladder irritation That doesn't make sense at all. I meant infection in the bladder.oops. Tracy -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOzone in water
Hi; In California at least it is stated on the label of many DW jugs that 'distilled' the word can only be used to describe steam distilled water, so the distilled water in that jug is indeed steam distilled. OTOH, advertising 'quackery' has become so prevalent that I don';t trust anything anymore, and wonder what percentage of the so-called 'distilled drinking water' may be distilled and what may be 'drinking', about which I expect there are no regulations whatever. YMMV. Malcolm Ode Coyote wrote: Ozone is used commercially to 'disinfect' distilled water. The distillation process 'purifys' the water...and should disinfect it as well, but apparently further safe gaurds are required as all commercial distilled water I've seen is also ozonated. Water can be vacuum distilled or condensed from any vapor source. In effect, your air conditioner makes distilled water when it de-humidifies the air. Rain water could qualify as distilled. I would like to believe that all commercial distilled water is steam distilled but I'm not certain of it. Ken At 03:26 AM 3/31/02 -0800, you wrote: Have question: anyone know if ozone can purify water? Thank you. God save Queen Elizabeth, Queen Mum. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSTo Ronen re CS generator
Hi Connie, two comments on your post: First, whether sterility is or is not necessary would depend on too many factors; the notion that ANY CS made by Anyone with Any method at Any concentration is so effective a killer of Any pathogen that you're guaranteed to be safe for Any application goes way too far, and I expect you didn't mean that. But that is what you emphasized with NOTHING.! Second, anyone who undertook I.V. injection or other direct blood or lymph introduction of CS from any source without proper sterile precautions is somewhere between a fool and dead. Malcolm Connie wrote: Actually, sterility is no necessary!! Remember NOTHING grows in the presence of silver! No need to increase your workload by sterilizing things first!!! The CS will take care of that for you!! Simple rinsing with DW is all that is necessary. From: Nicola Kay n...@shaw.ca Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 01:21:33 -0800 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSTo Ronen re CS generator Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 02:20:20 -0800 Hi Ronen, I am new to all this but I have made what might be the simplest of all generators. The pro¹s here will hopefully correct any erroneous advice and add their knowledge to what I¹m telling you. If you have an AC/DC adaptor (I used one from a no longer functional cordless phone has 24 volt output), just cut the jack end off, separate the wires and trim them back so you can wrap them around small alligator clips (cost about 25 cents). IF you don¹t have an AC/DC adaptor, you might find one at a garage sale or 2nd hand store for 50 cents or more (some people give them away as useless). Get some .999 silver (you can get it at ebay or perhaps from a local store, jeweller) or there are people on this list who sell it very cheaply. Shouldn¹t cost more than $5 or so to get started. You have to buy distilled water which is no more than a couple of dollars from your local supermarket or drugstore. Then sterilize a glass jar of any size (I use a 2 cup canning jar) and create a cover¹ or lid for it that will accommodate the silver wire. You can also insert an air hose (air pumps for aquariums are only a few dollars often you can find them at 2nd hand stores for around $1) to help keep the wires from producing black gunk in the water when the CS is being made. There are many ways to create a cover but here¹s what I did (creativity is the key here): I made a cover for my jar from an oversize plastic peanut butter jar lid. This lid is larger than my canning jar and therefore just sits on top of the jar. I hammered a large nail through the lid to run the air hose through, and then made a couple of small holes by hammering small nails through two opposite edges of the lid so they fit just inside the jar the small nails are the size of the silver wire. Then you can lay the alligator clips holding the silver wire on top of the lid so the wire runs down into the water. You should sterilize all tools and components by pouring boiling water to cover the items before putting anything into the distilled water. This includes the cover and jar and all bits and pieces being used to produce your CS. My CS startup cost was $2: I had the AC/DC adaptor, my friend gave me the two pieces of silver wire and the alligator clips, I already had an aquarium pump and hose (which I sterilized), only had to buy the distilled water. Good luck and be creative! Just make sure everything is sterile before using.
Re: CSurinary tract infection track
H, (think, think, think, think, think, think,) Are we on different tracks here? I'm talking about acid vs. alkaline, and it seems you're talking about concentration of minerals in the liquid of the kidney's second stage, where it resorbs water and other bits of stuff. It does so in response to the amount of water the body signals that it needs (at least in part) so sure, dehydration leads to high and dangerous concentrations of the relatively insoluble stone forming junk. And stones form, no surprise there. Regarding infections, in relatively (I said relatively, now) dilute urine solutions most of them like e.coli, pseudomonas, klebsiella, can exist more easily in an alkaline environment; furthermore they can't jump very far or swim very fast, so drinking lotsa water is not only diluting the broth from the kidneys (thus reducing the tendency to stones and feeding the bugs less nourishing soup at the same time) but facing them with an uphill torrent they can't traverse, keeping them out of the upper UT - a good thing to do. Take care, Malcolm Nick Grant wrote: My mum and dad both had kidney stones. Mum's last bout with them was an extremely hot summer ( she doesn't drink enough water at the best of times) and when she was admitted for laser treatment, the doctors told her they had seen a record number of people this summer with kindney stones. They believed it was due to people getting dehydrated, and everything becoming so concentrated. New one on me. What do you think about that? Hi, I don't go along with your comment that an acidic environment in the urinary tract is linked to bladder or kidney stones, in fact I think it's just the opposite. Generally the stones are a compound of calcium, and can even be dissolved by adding acidic solutions to a chunk of one. There may be something, or some form of stone, I don't know about, or maybe there is some bodily reaction to the constant presence of an acidic environment, so if you have knowledge about some specifics I'd like to learn of them. Quite often, bacteria hide inside the stones, thus avoiding total destruction by the usual antibiotic regimen, and after even months of pills they return when the ABX are gone and in a few days to a week or so, there you are, yucky pee again. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSurinary track infection
Hi Ivan, thanks much for your response to my plea for more info, I appreciate it! I'm still learning about the kidneys, so may not get all you imply in discussing the role of calcium in blood chemistry, or more immediately what are the transport mechanisms surrounding Vit. C or other acids ingested. However the doc.s at the VA have made it clear they want me to maintain an acidic urine to counteract my susceptibility to infection from ICP's and send me great quantities of C to accomplish this. More on this topic would be gratefully received! Malcolm I Anderson wrote: Malcolm, The pH of the blood plasma lies within the range of 7.3 to 7.5, this is a critical range outside of which it is difficult to sustain life. There is a system of buffers and defences which inhibit the extremes in plasma pH. One of the most important is the mobilisation of calcium from the bones to bond with (and thus neutralise) those acidic compounds which would otherwise cause a drop in plasma pH. Unfortunately, most calcium complexes are insoluble at these pH levels, which are, after all slightly alkaline, and so precipitates and stones form. One way to overcome this problem in the short term is to supplement with alkaline forming foods or supplements, which supply those more caustic elements sodium and potassium. Sodium and potassium will replace calcium in precipitates and render them soluble, so that they might then be excreted by the kidneys. In the long term, preventative measures which will ensure all round good health, might include limiting phosphate consumption (red meat, carbonated drinks etc.), vitamin D supplementation which ensures the bioavailability of calcium supplementation, sunshine or at least full spectrum light each day to ensure the hormone production for proper calcium regulation. Regards Ivan. -Original Message- From: Malcolm Stebbins [mailto:s...@asis.com] Sent: Wednesday, 3 April 2002 9:03 a.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSurinary track infection Hi, I don't go along with your comment that an acidic environment in the urinary tract is linked to bladder or kidney stones, in fact I think it's just the opposite. Generally the stones are a compound of calcium, and can even be dissolved by adding acidic solutions to a chunk of one. There may be something, or some form of stone, I don't know about, or maybe there is some bodily reaction to the constant presence of an acidic environment, so if you have knowledge about some specifics I'd like to learn of them. Quite often, bacteria hide inside the stones, thus avoiding total destruction by the usual antibiotic regimen, and after even months of pills they return when the ABX are gone and in a few days to a week or so, there you are, yucky pee again. Malcolm Kathie Jones wrote: I suppose, any variance from a standard range of normal is what the bacterium that are often the culprits for urinary tract infections are fond of. Other bacteria may well favor a more acidic environment that what is * normal * and decreasing acid levels would discourage their staying. Too much acid in *some* people, over a period of many weeks or months, is linked to kidney stones. BUT...often there is something else going on that is encouraging this * i.e. consumption of too much soda *high carbonic acid levels*, genetic predisposition, imbalances in other parts of the bodies digestive or endocrine system. All in all, it goes back to Vit C helps the body's immune system *kick in* and kick out bacterial invaders, and is known to be especially efficient at combating UTIs when combined with cranberry. I stopped using cranberry juice, and switched to tablets a long time ago as the sugar in the drinks actually did the urinary system a disservice when trying to fight and infection. I have had HUGE success when doing this for myself, my daughter, hubby and my dog. :-) Gotta keep all the family members happy! *G* Kathie Hm... I was always under the impression that bacteria, and viruses liked to live in an Acidic environment Grant.. Kathie Jones wrote: LOTS of vitamin C and CS will do amazing things! :-) And don't forget cranberry tablets. The cranberry keeps the bacteria that is causing the infection from being able to * adhere * to the urinary system walls, the C makes the urine acidic * the bacteria like an alkaline environment*, and the CS will kill the bacteria off. Kathie -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your
Re: CSurinary track infection
Hey, thanks! Between you and Ivan, I think I'm beginning to get it. Malcolm Marshall Dudley wrote: Malcolm Stebbins wrote: Hi, I don't go along with your comment that an acidic environment in the urinary tract is linked to bladder or kidney stones, in fact I think it's just the opposite. It is not really an acid environment in the urinary tract, but if the body is acid, or you eat too much acid ash food, such as sodas. The only way the body has to neutralize the acid is to strip calcium from the bones, and then that goes out via the kidneys. Too much calcium in the urine can produce stones. If your body is alkaline without having to strip the calcium, then very little will be in the urine. So you are right that calcium is more easily dissolved by acid. More acid means more dissolved calcium. More dissolved calcium means more likelihood of forming stones. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSTo Ronen re CS generator
Yes, and maybe because you're not a fool at all, and use aseptic (how close is aseptic to antiseptic, and whose aseptic are we discussing, a key point.) Also maybe you're just not exposed to a wide enough range of bugs in your environment, or you're just too damn healthy anyhow, or any of a host of other reasons including plain ol' blessed luck. I don't want to contradict your own experience, or that of others, who have been successful. What I do want to do is to contradict your use of absolutes in stating your experiences in this experimental field. That might lead someone with a weaker immune system, a different physiology, stranger, more resistant, more cryptic, or God knows what-all bugs, or a different CS generator into assuming that everything will be just fine no matter what they do because CS is all-powerful, not to mention extremely intelligent. It ain't necessarily so. Thassall, Malcolm Connie wrote: Well Malcolm, I am a fool (though not dead), I self infused CS through my PIC line this winter, I never sterilize my CS containersI did use aseptic technique as much as possible to do the infusion. Maybe I am not dead because my silvergen produced CS is so excellent? :^) Connie From: Malcolm Stebbins s...@asis.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 14:04:25 -0800 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSTo Ronen re CS generator Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 14:24:48 -0800 Hi Connie, two comments on your post: First, whether sterility is or is not necessary would depend on too many factors; the notion that ANY CS made by Anyone with Any method at Any concentration is so effective a killer of Any pathogen that you're guaranteed to be safe for Any application goes way too far, and I expect you didn't mean that. But that is what you emphasized with NOTHING.! Second, anyone who undertook I.V. injection or other direct blood or lymph introduction of CS from any source without proper sterile precautions is somewhere between a fool and dead. Malcolm Connie wrote: Actually, sterility is no necessary!! Remember NOTHING grows in the presence of silver! No need to increase your workload by sterilizing things first!!! The CS will take care of that for you!! Simple rinsing with DW is all that is necessary. From: Nicola Kay n...@shaw.ca Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 01:21:33 -0800 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSTo Ronen re CS generator Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 02:20:20 -0800 Hi Ronen, I am new to all this but I have made what might be the simplest of all generators. The pros here will hopefully correct any erroneous advice and add their knowledge to what Im telling you. If you have an AC/DC adaptor (I used one from a no longer functional cordless phone - has 24 volt output), just cut the jack end off, separate the wires and trim them back so you can wrap them around small alligator clips (cost about 25 cents). IF you dont have an AC/DC adaptor, you might find one at a garage sale or 2nd hand store for 50 cents or more (some people give them away as useless). Get some .999 silver (you can get it at ebay or perhaps from a local store, jeweller) or there are people on this list who sell it very cheaply. Shouldnt cost more than $5 or so to get started. You have to buy distilled water which is no more than a couple of dollars from your local supermarket or drugstore. Then sterilize a glass jar of any size (I use a 2 cup canning jar) and create a cover or lid for it that will accommodate the silver wire. You can also insert an air hose (air pumps for aquariums are only a few dollars - often you can find them at 2nd hand stores for around $1) to help keep the wires from producing black gunk in the water when the CS is being made. There are many ways to create a cover but heres what I did (creativity is the key here): I made a cover for my jar from an oversize plastic
Re: CSSilver Compounds and electrobiological/electromagnetic response
I Anderson wrote: Hi Kevin, You ask a BIG question, which requires time to marshal a response. Does anaerobic metabolism cause cancer? It is in the mitochondria that cellular energy processes occur, normally by the oxidation of glucose with the products being ATP, CO2 and water. The process proceeds through a glycolysis phase which produces a small amount of ATP and lactic acid. The lactic acid would then be oxidised further with a much larger production of ATP, CO2 and water. Warburg found that the second phase did not occur in cancer cells, Hi, don't mean to be picky but I thought the energy cycle went from the high energy compound adenosine triphosphate to the lower energy one, adenosine diphosphate, and sometimes further to adenosine monophosphate, or AMP; yes? Take care, Malcolm -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS CS as nose drops
Hi; I posted some comments re: IV use of colloidal silver without considerations for sterility. This was because the idea that the CS would automatically be of a strength and quality to guarantee safety no matter what was not cleaned or how seemed to go beyond good sense, not because CS applied topically, or even IV, was dangerous of itself. I have regularly used CS in a 'spritzer', a little squeeze bottle that shoots out a spray, actually, both in my nose and throat and stop colds and flu dead in it's tracks if I get it in the first day. It works, every time, for me. When I didn't have a spritzer bottle, I just snuffled some from an eyedropper and it worked fine. I usually hit it two times about an hour apart, three if I remember to or if I start earlier in the day. Take care, Malcolm Printer Man wrote: Does anyone use CS as nose drops to help fight colds? If so, what kind of schedule or procedure seems to work best? Any concerns such as those listed in the recent thread on IV CS? Many thanks in advance, John __ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSilver Compounds and electrobiological/electromagnetic response
Hi Ivan, guess I got your intent backward, sorry! I thought you were discussing the breakdown products of cellular energy use, not the re-forming of ATP; my goof. Malcolm I Anderson wrote: Indeed, But I was describing the Krebs cycle which takes place in the lumen of the mitochondria and is about the production of adenosine triphosphate (ATP) via firstly glycolysis and finally oxidation of lactic acid, the product of the first stage. The second stage produces about 5 times more ATP than the first. The ATP is then available as an energy source for cellular function by reduction to the species you mention. Regards Ivan. -Original Message- From: Malcolm Stebbins [mailto:s...@asis.com] Sent: Monday, 8 April 2002 5:52 p.m. To: *Silver-List* (E-mail) Subject: Re: CSSilver Compounds and electrobiological/electromagnetic response I Anderson wrote: Hi Kevin, You ask a BIG question, which requires time to marshal a response. Does anaerobic metabolism cause cancer? It is in the mitochondria that cellular energy processes occur, normally by the oxidation of glucose with the products being ATP, CO2 and water. The process proceeds through a glycolysis phase which produces a small amount of ATP and lactic acid. The lactic acid would then be oxidised further with a much larger production of ATP, CO2 and water. Warburg found that the second phase did not occur in cancer cells, Hi, don't mean to be picky but I thought the energy cycle went from the high energy compound adenosine triphosphate to the lower energy one, adenosine diphosphate, and sometimes further to adenosine monophosphate, or AMP; yes? Take care, Malcolm -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFlies
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Re: CSFlies
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Re: CSCSNebulizing CS
I'm not sure what information you're following in choosing to mix a saline solution and CS in the same little spritzer, you might end up making a fair amount of silver chloride before it ever got out of the bottle; prob'ly not the way to go. The silver chloride will end up as white powder on the bottom of the bottle, and even if it got into someone's airway wouldn't do them much good - nor harm either, for that matter. Malcolm Bobbye Stegen wrote: Thanks Bob, Will make the concotion of saline/CS and get it to her in a spray bottle. Bobbye - Original Message - From: Bob Bartell bobbart...@earthlink.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2002 5:55 PM Subject: RE: CSCSNebulizing CS Bobbye, Nebulizer for getting CS into lungs. For Sinusitus, just use a dropper to get it in the nose and snort it back and down - or a nasal spray bottle works even better. We will use the nebulizers for pneumonia and staph infections in the lungs OK? Namaste: Bob Bartell -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
