[RCSE] RE: RCSE] Soprano Feedback
Jim, you really need feedback from someone whom has logged time on both. I have not. I did buy Mark Millers prototype Soprano. I only have a few launches on it but understand why the rudder was increased on current offerings. Since I have seen no better responses I offer the following thoughts - mainly for those with out a lot of experience. Without any good support for my thoughts FWIW J - I think if you have full house experience, you will find the Soprano both a good floater and penetrator. I suspect the AVA my be a better floater (lighter) but may not penetrate as will as the Soprano (just my guess).For a flyer not experienced with modern high performance soarers, the Ava (or Topaz) may be the choice. That should not be seen as criticism of the Soprano but a suggestion that it flys like a modern high performance ship. If you are new to this sport (especially if you have limited funds) skip expensive planes like the Soprano and Ava (untill you have wiped out a few cheaper planes they are available). Not because they would be more difficult to learn on; because things do happen (and will) ask Gordy. The only criticism I have is not with the planes (and certainly not with Kennedy or Miller) but with the designer/makers that do not make parts that are interchangeable. Let me explain: After receiving the Soprano and admiring it, I heard about the Trio and Piper http://www.isthmusmodels.com/ and thought I could buy one of them and be able to swap wings with the Soprano. Sorry too logical! Now before any one takes this too seriously (and takes me to task), understand these thoughts are just that not fighting words. The wonderful thing about this sport is all the choices - and they are mostly all good. Regis Ok, so who's flying a Soprano out there? Let's hear some feedback! I would like a big RES plane and am trying to decide between Soprano and AVA. Cheers - Jim Laurel RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] TMSS April contest
Mark, I think TMSS has a contest this weekend but Bill's web site is not current. Please tell me who I should contact for information. Thanks, Regis RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Moved
Check here: http://conk.widomaker.com/tmss/ - it is a bit dated but not completely. They hold an annual AMA/LSF Soar In at Ft. Lee, but I haven t seen a date for this year. Let me know if you find out. Regis RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Postal Fun Fly Contest - Please clarify the 3 min rule
Plan is to fly at CASA field, Rockville, MD. with a 3 M Scooter. Please clarify the 3 min rule. Is this a three minute ladder? Or is the rule literally: Next flight must exceed "previous flight by" at least "3 minutes". I.e., if first flight is 7 m 30 s., the next must be 10m 30s tomove on. Regis White (301) 934-1407La Plata, MD 20646
RE: [RCSE] Battery food-Charger
Efficient cells like the KAN's do not induce a voltage depression adequate enough to trip the peak-detect, so the charger keeps pumping in the current. That explains why the packs got hot. The above applies to NiMH cells used for normal(?) operation, as opposed to propulsion applications (F5B, etc). So, is there a truly automatic charger for Efficient NiMH cells? Regis -Original Message- From: Simon Van Leeuwen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 5:30 PM To: Cameron Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [RCSE] Battery food-Charger Since the A4 was released, the charge protocol for NiMH has changed significantly to better represent the characteristics of the cell chemistry. If memory serves (I owned one, then ditched it) only the peak overvoltage was dropped by a few mV as compared to the NiCD algorythm. The current accepted regime for NiMH is similar to: Stage 1: Charger algorythm applies a zero (slope) delta, essentially turns off the charge phase as soon as the fully charged state is reached (based on a V value, no overcharge above rated V). This brings the cell to ~80-90% of rated capacity (this value will decrease the more current pushed into the cell, as the rated V is reached sooner with an elevated charge V) Stage 2: Same charge current (or another lesser rate) is pulsed (duty cycle) to bring the cell 95% of rated Stage 3: Maintenance rate - same charge current (or another lesser value) is pulsed (shorter duty cycle) to maintain a fully charged state. The above applies to NiMH cells used for normal(?) operation, as opposed to propulsion applications (F5B, etc). Quoting Cameron [EMAIL PROTECTED]: To quote Litco Systems directly from their manual for the Alpha 4 charger: PLEASE NOTE: ALL DEVICES ON A-4 EXCEPT W DEVICE ARE INTENDED FOR NI-CADS. ONLY V AND W DEVICES MAY BE USED WITH WET AND GEL CELLS (LEAD-ACID BATTERIES). ALL DEVICES EXCEPT A,S W ARE SUITABLE FOR NIMH BATTERIES (NICKEL-METAL-HYDRIDE). TO BE ON THE SAFE SIDE USE ONLY I AND C CHARGER WITH NIMH CELLS. :-) *smile* Cameron -Original Message- Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 11:43:28 -0800 From: Simon Van Leeuwen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [RCSE] Battery food-Charger Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] That's the probelm with employing a NiCD charger that peak-detects for NiCD instead of NiMH. NiMH are endomthermic, while NiCD technology is exothermic. This means as an NiCD becomes fully charged, the increase in heat causes an increase in internal resistance, which lowers the charge V, which trips the peak-detect circuitry. Efficient cells like the KAN's do not induce a voltage depression adequate enough to trip the peak-detect, so the charger keeps pumping in the current. NiCD chargers are great at ruining perfectly good NiMH cells. Then the cells get blamed for poor performance... RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Battery food-Charger
I bought an Alpha 4 about six or seven years ago and have been quite happy with it. But (there is always a but) it did not have a separate discharge function it only cycled (once). NiCads like to be left discharged I have been led to believe. Ni-MH on the other hand like to be fully charged and can be harmed if fully discharged. So I have replaced most of my NiCads. What I learned was that I could not safely charge them on the Alpha 4 'Peak' function or even the 'c/10' function only the 'Fast charge' function. Recently I acquired two KAN Ni-MH 7 cell packs and was surprised to find that the Alpha 4 could not automatic charge them safely they got very hot. Since both packs got very hot, I suspect the KAN cells are just not compatible with Alpha 4 technology (which is easily 20 years old). (I mean we can plug in a cell phone to charge and just forget it.) Is there something about the KAN type cells that are different or is this an anomaly? Regis --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Brian Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 2:46 PM -0800 11/8/04, Bill Malvey wrote: I use the Schulze isl 6-330d to charge them, from 4 cells to 30 cells. It is self regulated and when the charger beeps, it is fully charged, 98%-100%. The AA 1650 mah is charged about 1-1.2C, the 2600mah is charged at 2.2C(5.5-5.8 amp). One chager takes care of all the batteries(I am not saying that is the only charger I own!). The charger also charges and discharges Nicad, Nimh, Lipo, LiIon, Lead acid. Brian RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Help with JR 10Sx
I recently acquired a JR 10Sx. What options are available for saving the stored models from the Sx to a PC (and visa versa) other than DataSafe? Finally, are there any write-ups like Rick Eckels JR 388 guide for the 10Sx? (Would a guide for the JR 10X be applicable to the 10Sx?) I did do a web search and got 194,000 hits. I confess, I did not check them all. :-) Thanks, Regis in S. MD (301) 934-1407 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
RE: [RCSE] Who moderates RCSE?
I believe you are right. I read RCSE (soaring) in Yahoo groups. That way I avoid a lot of email (and virii). Frustrating though when trying to respond in a timely fashion. Regis -Original Message- From: Frank Slaughter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 12:07 PM To: regis; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [RCSE] Who moderates RCSE? I seem to remember that if you post from an email address that is subscribed to the list, your posts are automatically forwarded, but if you are not subscribed, your posts are checked manually, first. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Plane protection material
The sharp edges on the wings (wing tips, aileron/flap corners etc.) often stick into soft materials. That is the biggest problem I find. So what is needed is a material that is padded and slick too. Regis RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Airplane Hall of Fame
Ten planes that changed aviation - FYI http://www.msnbc.com/news/990865.asp?0cv=CB20 ___.msnbc.com/news/990865.asp?0cv=CB20 Regis RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
RE: [RCSE] Is list working
I admire your patience. :-) Regis -Original Message- From: Brad [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun Nov 30, 2003 1:04 pm Subject: [RCSE] Is list working Have not seen a post in over 12 hours. Brad RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
RE: [RCSE] Contests; why?
And if there was money on the line?Regis -Original Message- From: rdensford [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 8:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; RCSE Soaring (E-mail); [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [RCSE] Contests; why? This is true about all competition however the only thing that really ticks me off is when people feel they need to either stretch the rules or just flat out cheat. After all there is no money on the line so why do it. - Original Message - From: gldr guy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RCSE Soaring (E-mail) [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Contests; why? Bill,I hope you are not a troll. As long as there are contests there is going to be controversy(sp?). And not just in the RC arena. When I used to race Hobie 16s back in the 80s there were some serious disagreements that would escalate beyond just verbal at times, especially at the usual Saturday night barbecue and beer fest between race days. I have seen guys put their boats in irons and jump overboard to discuss a foul- especially when wind is light and you are trying to make the most out of every little puff. I suspect contests of any kind tend to draw some people who have perhaps a more agressive and competitive nature and as a result some arguments are bound to happen. Contests are good for those who like them, just as going out on a Sunday to fly with no particular goal in mind is also a good thing. I guess if you dont like the competitive enviornment, you certainly have a right to not compete, but I dont think those that do should be judged as silly. As a matter of fact I kind of like the arguments that take place on the exchange/at contests, etc- kinds of livens things up a bit! GG RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] looking for a portable HLG
Perhaps a Chinook. http://www.tgworks.com/chinook.htm Very very portable. Lots of fun. Regis -Original Message- From: Doug Penney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 10:20 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [RCSE] looking for a portable HLG I would like to find a decent, durable HLG that can travel well - durable, perhaps foamy... - easy to pack in a car trunk, or a large suitcase, and survive to fly well - removable wings? tail??? Any suggestions? Thanks. Doug Doug Melody Penney, Taichung TAIWAN [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] Moldie-oldie?
Graupner Cirrus. Regis -Original Message- From: Lex Mierop [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 9:53 AM To: 'Bill Harris'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: [RCSE] Moldie-oldie? Wouldn't that be built-up-oldie trivia? :-) I think the only plane that would qualify as moldie-oldie trivia would be the Hobbie Hawk. Any others? -l -Original Message- From: Bill Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 5:43 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [RCSE] Predator configuration, Oly II airfoil The Olympic 99 uses a modified NACA 6409 with the trailing edge stock placed flat on the building board which gives a slight reflex to the true 6409. Lee Renaud derived the Oly 99 wing from the with the Thermic 100 wing. A bit of moldie-oldie trivia... --Bill RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] My Battery wont fit in my Spirit?
I'll second that. One should run about 15 to 16 dollars (with connector and shipping) via mail order. Make sure you get JR connector (or plug compatible - Futaba is not 'plug' compatible) whether you buy from local Hobby shop or mail order.Regis -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 23, 2001 3:38 PM To: Andy Roberts; Soaring (E-mail) Subject: Re: [RCSE] My Battery wont fit in my Spirit? Usually the batteries have their contacts soldered or welded together with steel strips, making it hard to rearange their shape without resoldering. I would suggest buying a new pack. You can never have too many batteries anyway. :) At 08:10 AM 11/23/01 -0500, Andy Roberts wrote: I have just about completed building my first plane a Spirit and I have a JR Radio I bought from a local guy used, it has an r600 or r6000 receiver I can't remember what it said exactly. And then the battery looks like 4 double A batteries taped side by side. The spirit could hold batteries in a 2 X 2 stack but I dont know if it is ok to cut the wrapping off of the battery. Or do I have to buy a different battery? RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] Servos
Only if I can be your friend. :~)Regis -Original Message- From: Michael Conte [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 12:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [RCSE] Servos This may be my imagination, but are the FMA S60, Cirrus CS-10, MPI MX-30 and the GWS micro servo (I forgot the name) ALL THE SAME SERVO? If you look at torque specs, limits, etc. I think they're the same are they not? Hold each one up side by side. The only difference I notice is the color of the case and the name put on it. I took the case off of my Cirrus gyro and the circuit board had GWS printed on it. Does GWS make all of these servos? Should I start my own company and get all my servos wholesale from GWS, put my name on them and sell them to my friends for my cost? Mike Conte RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Helios
http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/news/cache/ReutersOnlineScience/08_14_2001.romt a1418-story-bcsciencespaceheliosdc.html This might even satisfy Gordy. Regis RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] The Attack
And you sound like one of the un-liberals that rounded up all those of Japanese descent and put them in concentration camps during WWII - absolutely unconstitutional, not to mention UNJUST. We all want JUSTICE. Thats part of the problem. There is JUST no guarantee for JUSTICE in this life. That is the basis of most religions - and, ironically, why the terrorists believe they will go to heaven when they die for their 'JUST' cause. The Bosnian whose mother and sisters were rapped and murdered wants JUSTICE. Is there any way he/she will receive JUSTICE? The Palestinian who has grown up in the squalor of a refugee camp and knows only that his family s ancestral land was taken from his grandparents wants JUSTICE too. Is it possible? I am a retired AF crewmember (originally trained as a Bomb/Navigator on the B47) and do not shy away from retaliation. But I have no allusions that JUSTICE is possible. I do believe that much can be done to prevent this type of terrorism from reoccurring. I do not believe my personal freedom would be diminished if required to have a domestic passport to board a commercial airplane. Terrorists hide behind anonomididy. Next time I board a plane, I hope there are no 'anonymous' passengers - of whatever stripe. In the mean time, we must all be vigilant, but there is no need to beat up on each other. Regis -Original Message- From: Darwin N Barrie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 12:05 AM To: SilentFlight Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [RCSE] The Attack You sound like one of the liberals that have helped cause some of these types to go free and travel freely in OUR country. We have the technology to do the job and limit exposure. Yes, I'd push the button with my right hand while my left hand is waving the flag of the United States of America! SilentFlight wrote: So you'd have us pollute the entire environment we all live in, and risk a massive escalation of global thermonuclear war? Thank god your thumb isn't the one with the button. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Frank V. Ehling Dies at 86; Model Airplane Hall of Famer
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/metro/obituaries/A16670-2001Aug29.html __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] Don't do this
Ten thousand years from now, some one is going to wonder about that. :~) Regis -Original Message- From: Mark Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 6:59 PM To: Bill Conkling; Douglas, Brent Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [RCSE] Don't do this I have a paper coffee cup on my bench where I put all my old xacto and razor blades. When I get some extra epoxy from a wing I pour some of the excess into the cup, thus keeping things safe to throw away when it gets full. Mark who has the scars to prove lessons learned the hard way Miller __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] Best Soaring places to live
I have to agree. I was stationed at Travis, AFB (Fairfield, CA) in the late 60's to early 70's. Thatspoiled me. Regis -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 5:20 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [RCSE] Best Soaring places to liveI might be biased but my 3 top choices are: 1. California 2. California 3. California Yep, I'm a California boy. Kevin Andersen
RE: [RCSE] Ebay items
Why would you assume G. Voss was selling those items? George was just brining these to the attention of list members - some whom appreciate the 'heads up'. A lot of members do list items for sale on this list. You have problem with that? You owe George an apology - publicly. Thank you, Regis -Original Message- From: Albert Long [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 9:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [RCSE] Ebay items From: George Voss [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RCSE [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [RCSE] Ebay items Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 20:31:27 -0500 Two items on ebay for sailplaners. 2 Hobie Hawks and a NIB Grand Esprit. See the below links. These are not mine, but knew some on the list would be interested. gv It looks like this forum is your personnel for sale forum. Do you not have anything better to do, than sell your items on this forum? Why do you not take out an ad, in a magizine? To cheap? Thought so. Al _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] Multiplex Charging
What inexpensive/reliable charge can I buy for 'all' of my RC needs? Oh, please let us all know the answer to that question. :~) Regis -Original Message- From: Patrick Lanphier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 12:59 PM To: Soaring Subject: [RCSE] Multiplex Charging I just purchased a Multiplex International set, however, didn't realize that it does not come with a charger. What inexpensive/reliable charge can I buy for all of my RC needs? Prompt replies would be great, I need to get this plane up quickly. Patrick Lanphier The Artemis Group http://www.artemisgroup.com phone: 235-0444 fax: 800-582-9710 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] new way to install servo
Finally the answer. I am surprised at how many missed the obvious. The NOT so new way to install servo. Regis -Original Message- From: Mark Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 10:53 AM To: Tom Copp; F3F@yahoogroups. com; RCSE; Raymond Subject: RE: [RCSE] new way to install servo Why not mount the servo to the servo cover. This should give you the space you need? Plus if you have a problem with the servo you won't have to damage the structure digging the servo out of the wing. Cheers, Mark Miller http://www.isthmusmodels.com --- Tom Copp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: See http://home.hkstar.com/~raywong/sting/page.htm for the correct pic. Yes, the Sting has to have the servo arm pointing up to the top skin so the aileron servo needs to be spaced away from the upper skin and flush with the inside of the bottom skin. The servo is installed from the bottom and the fairing is molded in the wing. To space the servo off the skin a slow cure epoxy and silica / micro mix will work but do a test batch first and see how hot it gets before you boil the wing skin. After it is cured take a dremel tool with a router base, tape off the wing skin to avoid scratches and route the depth required for your servo. Then epoxy it in as usual. If you dont have the router base then make a dummy servo from wood (the same thickness as the real servo + the thickness of the skin and as large as the servo opening will allow) and attach a oversized flat plate to the side that when pressed against the bottom skin will give you the required depth needed. Wax it up good and do the squish. It is a extra step and its not that hard to do. The Stings performance is worth it. You can also shim it with hard balsa and a thin plywood plate on top. See more Sting pic at http://www.f3x.com/sting/sting.htm Tom Copp COMPOSITE SPECIALTIES www.F3X.com ph/fax 949-645 7032 -Original Message- From: Raymond [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 6:06 PM To: soaring Subject: [RCSE] new way to install servo hi, Please take a look at the photo. http://home.hkstar.com/~raywong/sting/page.htm I am trying to build my Sting, and found out the servo installation is very different from my other planes. I am thinking of using very thick micro ballon and epoxy to elevate the servo. Any suggestion? Raymond Wong Hong Kong __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] nylon screws: how strong is strong?
Word of caution - do not over torque nylon bolts. Easy to do (from experience). They will fail. Regis -Original Message- From: Bill Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 8:24 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [RCSE] nylon screws: how strong is strong? Can't give you any hard numbers, but by way of example: Mark Drela's Allegro Lite, 2 M built-up sailplane with a strong winch-proof 3-piece wing, uses two 10-32 nylon bolts in the center. Thread into captive nylon nuts. --Bill From: Bill Johns [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [RCSE] nylon screws: how strong is strong? Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 16:01:51 -0700 Greetings! Given 1/4 thick plywood with a tapped hole reinforced with CA: What is the holding strength for various sized nylon screws? Any hard data out there? We use 6-32 screws for HLG. What is the appropriate size and number on nylon screws for hard launching a composite 2M?? Thanks, Bill -- Nobody cares if you can't dance well. Just get up and dance. Bill Johns Pullman, WA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] foamytrashfrisbeediscus.com
I think the site is down. ~ -Original Message- From: Darrell Z. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2001 6:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [RCSE] Looking for the foamy discus Yes why don't you try foamytrashfrisbeediscus.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2001 3:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [RCSE] Looking for the foamy discus RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] RCSD question
Are you suggesting that checks do not create a paper trail? Regis -Original Message- From: David A. Malone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 12:51 PM To: [RCSE} Subject: Re: [RCSE] RCSD question First let me say that the RCSD publisher has the right to keep costs as low as possible. That said I would like to correct a misconception. I accept credit cards in my business and the discount rate (what the CC co charges the merchant) is averages around 2.6%. On $30.00 that would be $.78 per subscription. If one could add another 50 subscribers by accepting a credit card it would make sense just to charge the credit card users another buck. However, then one has created a paper trail that the IRS can examine. Dave Malone Dennis Phelan wrote: Greetings, And the poor publisher doesn't lose the 8% that the card company takes! Dennis Jeez, What's so hard about writing a check and dropping it in an envelope? Cost 0.34 plus check. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] Plane Recommendations
I have to agree with all. I have been teaching new fliers with electrics, like the Graupner Bussard and the Teddy (you have to throttle back and trim the teddy just right - but that's true with them all). I have also found that the Pico Stick works very well too. Can't stall it, flies very slow, is relatively hearty and can be flown in a limited area. You will need ideal weather though (very little or no wind) - which I find most evenings in S. Md. Regis -Original Message- From: Jeff Reid [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 8:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [RCSE] Plane Recommendations let an interested watcher fly as a demo. well-built foamy EPP Highlanders Gently Lady weighs more like 26 oz. I admit there's a lot to be said for a bounceable airplane but I think that's for learning landings. There's another issue with interested watcher models, being able to handle hi-g forces from an inexperience flyer. I'd be worried about bad control inputs folding a wing on most floater type models. If it's going to be a built up, get one with a strong spar and/or leading edge sheeting on both top and bottom of wing. Polyhedrals setup with both positive pitch and roll stability are nice, since it takes near deliberate control inputs to get them to continuously lose altitude for any length of time. I have an electric rc-dymond flipper, a small 27 ounce 58 inch wingspan model (light considering 10.5 ounces of this is battery pack [7 1400AE cells] and motor), a very strong 3 piece wing (sheeted on top and bottom). With limited control throws, this model is almost indestructable as long as it's in the air, so I'll let just about anyone fly it as long as it has some altitude. I also mention if they get in trouble to just let go of the stick, since it's very stable. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] Re: East Coast Soaring Challenge and Road closure during the contest
Charles, I understand your reasoning. However, the CASA 2M only pulled three entries in RES. Would there have been more if allowed? I do not know, but I am sure it is discouraging to have an event and no (few) entries. BTW, you (CASA, Skip and Frank Thompson) put on a great contest (it is a shame it did not draw more RES entries). If there are enough entries, perhaps two levels as CASA had for 2M. It also occurs to me that some RES 'experts' planning on the NATS would like a contest for tune up. I noticed that RES gets a (relatively) large entry at the NATS. Regis -Original Message- From: Charles French [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 6:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [RCSE] Re: East Coast Soaring Challenge and Road closure during the contest We are trying something new by allowing pilots to fly both Unlimited and RES on both days. Sorry but doesn't that defeat the purpose of RES? What's the point, so the top pilots can take home more trophies? _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] Carbon D-Lite CG
That depends. Are talking about on earth or in outer space? :~) -Original Message- From: Neal Capener [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 9:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [RCSE] Carbon D-Lite CG Help! Where is the CG? Neal RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] right turns?Left turns?
Only in the northern hemisphere. :~) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 10:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [RCSE] right turns?Left turns? I think Harley hit that one, everything turns left. Old habits are the hardest to break. Bruce, Lefty, Davidson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] Seeing Thermals??????
We could always just go fishin'. No such thing as a gadget to show you where the fish are (and how deep). :~)Regis -Original Message- From: Tim Vandenheuvel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 2:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [RCSE] Seeing Thermals?? I second that motion. Finding and utilizing a thermal is what it's all about, thats where the allure comes from! If such pricy instrmentation became available, it would be the size of the pocket book that determined the contest winners! Just my thoughts. Tim From: Charles Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring listserver [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [RCSE] Seeing Thermals?? Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 08:32:38 -0800 I only have one thing to say about that I hope it never happens that we can get an instrument to see a thermal,, That would take all the fun out of it... Then who would be the sharpest pilot??? I would quit flying competitions What would be the point??? I have seen this in full scale soaring to. Everyone wants to cheat and get some way to see a thermal. Sure! they have inferred devices that are on helicopters, But there isn't anything available light enough for even a full scale glider... I think its an art to detect thermals,,, That art is what makes people win contests,,, Or at least stay up,,, I am working on that.. Its tuff!! And I think that's what makes this sport so interesting I enjoy learning very much... If it wasn't a challenge, I wouldn't do it!!! Birds of prey can see thermals What they see mostly is the bugs or debris that is carried up in a thermal... Some say they can smell them also.. What they smell is the air going up. Its warmer and carries various things up I remember thermaling my 1-34 , I was at 15k feet I noticed all these birds. They were sparrows type birds,, swooping all over.. I asked myself.. What the hell are they doing. Just playing?? Well after talking to people, It was explained ot me that they were feeding on the bugs that were sucked up in the thermal Cool Cheers Charlie RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] Seeing thermals...
Just whose body was it that was scatter all over the hill? I think the authorities may want to talk to you (and not about the glasses). -Original Message- From: Eddie_E [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 6:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [RCSE] Seeing thermals... I had a pair of the top secret infa red thermal glasses and they actually saved my life. While driving through the Arizona desert the glasses began sliding across the dashboard where I had put them and out the window. I reached way out the window to grab them just as the JATO rocket I had strapped to the roof of my car missfired. I was thrown clear by the thrust from the rocket and landed in the sand on the side of the road. The car ended up going so fast it embeded in the side of a cliff 85' up. I was ok, but the glasses were never recovered. With the JATO rocket gone I had to use a chevy 350 to power my luge board. Eddie E. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] Channel 20 (was Carbon Fiber interference)
Depends on the Transmitter make and model. They all can be changed by their US importer service center. Most Tx use a module that is replaceable. Not all areas have the Ch 20 problem and you may be able to use it but not in you current location - so, if you can afford it, get another module on a different channel. Just need to change the crystal in the 555 (to corresponding ch). But if your Tx does not use a module, if it is new, take it back to hobby shop (if you bought locally - they should not have sold you that channel - and should exchange it for you). Or send it back to service center (Jr to Horizon Hobbies etc.) to get it changed. But if you picked it up at a swap meet, and it has a module, you can sell the module. Most of the members of this list have multiple modules (and multiple Txs as well). As I said before, interference on channel 20 is dependent on proximity to certain TV transmitters and is not a problem for most of the country. Just do not pawn it off on someone in your area. Regis -Original Message- From: Reed Sherman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 11:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [RCSE] Channel 20 (was Carbon Fiber interference) Ah, finally, someone willing to take this another step. Thank you so much for this info. Sounds like #20 wasn't the greatest idea. Tough to change now, though, without getting a new Tx. Or can a Tx be retuned to another channel? Regis White wrote: "getting violent and constant glitching (enough to strip a couple of servos)", that is NOT normal. You might get some small twitching with some receivers with Tx off, but not most and not normally with the 555. Channel 20 is a channel that is close to one of the TV channels. Any way, it's use (ch20) is banned at some club fields because of the location and proximity to the interference source. Not unusual to see "No channel 20" in AMA contest calendar listings. Check with local RC fliers and clubs. Regis RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] Seeing Thermals??????
Of course - and they call it a sport too. Regis -Original Message- From: Tim Vandenheuvel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 1:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [RCSE] Seeing Thermals?? Two words Regis, Fish Finders. Already been done. Tim From: "Regis White" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Tim Vandenheuvel" [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [RCSE] Seeing Thermals?? Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 23:28:12 -0500 We could always just go fishin'. No such thing as a gadget to show you where the fish are (and how deep). :~)Regis -Original Message- From: Tim Vandenheuvel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 2:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [RCSE] Seeing Thermals?? I second that motion. Finding and utilizing a thermal is what it's all about, thats where the allure comes from! If such pricy instrmentation became available, it would be the size of the pocket book that determined the contest winners! Just my thoughts. Tim From: Charles Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring listserver [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [RCSE] Seeing Thermals?? Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 08:32:38 -0800 I only have one thing to say about that I hope it never happens that we can get an instrument to see a thermal,, That would take all the fun out of it... Then who would be the sharpest pilot??? I would quit flying competitions What would be the point??? I have seen this in full scale soaring to. Everyone wants to cheat and get some way to see a thermal. Sure! they have inferred devices that are on helicopters, But there isn't anything available light enough for even a full scale glider... I think its an art to detect thermals,,, That art is what makes people win contests,,, Or at least stay up,,, I am working on that.. Its tuff!! And I think that's what makes this sport so interesting I enjoy learning very much... If it wasn't a challenge, I wouldn't do it!!! Birds of prey can see thermals What they see mostly is the bugs or debris that is carried up in a thermal... Some say they can smell them also.. What they smell is the air going up. Its warmer and carries various things up I remember thermaling my 1-34 , I was at 15k feet I noticed all these birds. They were sparrows type birds,, swooping all over.. I asked myself.. What the hell are they doing. Just playing?? Well after talking to people, It was explained ot me that they were feeding on the bugs that were sucked up in the thermal Cool Cheers Charlie RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] Lost in Space
If you are receiving RCSE (soaring) through yahoo, it is easy. Just go to 'Delivery Options' and change to 'No email'. (You can change back later.) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/soaring Regis -Original Message- From: Simon Van Leeuwen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 1:28 PM To: 3-Soaring Forum Subject: [RCSE] Lost in Space Can someone explain to me how without unsubscribing, I can send a message to the RCSE forum and not receive it back, or any messages from you all for the last 8-10 days? Thanks. *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Simon Van Leeuwen, Calgary, Alberta RADIUS SYSTEMS Cogito-Ergo-Zoom IAC25233*MAAC12835*IMAC1756*LSF5953*IMAA20209 *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] Nylon metric screws
http://multiplexrc.com/ http://www.hobby-lobby.com/ -Original Message- From: Falarski, Martin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 11:26 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: [RCSE] Nylon metric screws Does anyone know of a source for nylon metric screws and bolts? Having just bought a European plane I want to stock a few for spares. The local hardware stores only carry steel metric screws and bolts. Thanks Mart RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] 170mph?
The late F1 models did not go 200 mph. Current Q40 models can do 170 mph on a straight line flight. They do not race in a straight line though. The fastest (and well piloted)cover2.5 miles in about one minute. You can do the math. Regis Regis -Original Message-From: Brett Jaffee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 2:38 PMTo: Raymond WongCc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [RCSE] 170mph? The small Formula 1 pylon racers are pretty insane. I believe speeds of 200mph are pretty typical, so I wouldn't have a hard time believing 220 in straight and level flight. Just try and tell him to do it without an engine, though! I believe the glider speed record is something over 250mph. It was the absolute r/c airplane speed record for for a while too, but I think a turbine powered plane broke it a year or two ago. Raymond Wong wrote: I was explaining to a RC pilot(power models) about DS'ing today, I told him how Paul Naton push his glider to over 170mph...well, he thought it was no big deal. He said his friend's power model recorded 220mph in the last pylon race... Should I believe him? How fast can a power model really go? Raymond WongHong Kong
RE: [RCSE] Yahoo Archive Working!
Up-to-date date? More than a month missing is not my definition of 'up-to-date'. :~) But, yes, yahoo is posting to the 'soaring' list again. Regis -Original Message- From: Brad Willoughby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 6:52 AM To: soaring Subject: [RCSE] Yahoo Archive Working! Fellow RCSE'rs, It looks like all this talk about Yahoo's problems has kicked them into gear. The archive page is now up-to-date and I started getting digest messages from them today. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/soaring Woo hoo! Cheers, Brad Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] JR 610 receivers
Minority or not - much criticism has been posted about the JR 610. Then I got an email from a list member that said he had an early 610 that worked perfectly. Now I surmise that the design WAS proven before marketed. Some of the post on this list would have suggested otherwise. Something must have gone wrong AFTER the original design and manufacture (first release) - (Possibly as a cost saving effort). Just a guess on my part. Since I have mostly JR, I want to believe that they didn't release an 'obviously' poor product. And I am happy to hear that they are 'making good' on the inferior models. Regis -Original Message- From: Alan Bangham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 1:06 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [RCSE] JR 610 receivers Well apparently I am in the minority as I happen to believe that sailplane vendor performance is soaring related... Good knowledge that could have saved me much frustration. I have also slammed the offending party when the opportunity surfaced. However today I am pleased to give three cheers to Horizon for replacing/upgrading my two 610m receivers at no charge. Cheer! Cheer! Cheer! Does anyone have reliable first hand knowledge as to what the changes are, in addition to or besides a longer antenna? Just for the sake of knowledge, knowledge is power! _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] porpoising solutions???
My experience has been that most FF models (this includes R/C sailplanes) are designed with too much decalage. I think the theory is: "better safe than sorry" - you can survive too much - not so too little. Or, maybe: "if a little is good, more is better." Flying stabs eliminates the problem. Regis -Original Message- From: Scobie Puchtler or Sarah Felstiner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 5:52 PM To: Dave Seay; RCSE Subject: RE: [RCSE] porpoising solutions??? Dave writes: I just took a close look at my LB2 and it looks like I definitely have some 'up' where I mounted the tail. Actually you do have to have SOME 'up', as you call it. That 'up' that you see IS the decalage angle. And SOME decalage is a fundamental requirement of ANY conventional glider, in fact that is the most basic purpose of having the horizontal tailplane: to keep the wing from diving (also can be thought of as: to keep the wing at some useful angle of attack). On all but the most carefully designed flying wing foils, a foil (your wing) producing lift also produces positive pitching moment, meaning the leading edge of the foil wants to go DOWN. Release any conventional glider without its horiz. stab attached and you will see this effect IMMEDIATELY,(don't actually try this, just trust me). A stab mounted at a NEUTRAL angle will give some very temporary relief to this problem, but until that stab is ACTIVELY holding the rear of the fuselage down by having it's trailing edge higher than its leading edge relative to the airflow, your glider is gonna dive bigtime. If it's mounted with too MUCH angle (Stab t.e. high) then your glider is going to constantly repeat one mild stall after another (porpoising).The trick is to have the RIGHT amount of this angle. Too much and you porpoise, Too little and you dive. Either problem can be crudely corrected by shoving weight all over the place and trimming the elevator like mad, but these are fundamentally bad solutions because they add, well, weight and drag, not to mention their effect on maneuverability. How do you correct this w/o destroying the tail given the whole thing is balsa? I guess I could try to cut the tail off. I am not familiar with the exact construction details of the LB2, but it MIGHT be helpful, depending on how it's put together, to remember that you can change the angle of the tailplane OR the angle of the wing. Is the wing mounted in such a way as to be shim-able in it's mount? If so, shim the rear of the wing up a bit and test (this will have the same effect as bringing the t.e. of the stab down. Remember, it's the relative angle BETWEEN these two surfaces that counts). Shimming the wing is actually a great way to experiment, if it is doable on your plane, because it's much more changeable than rebuilding your tail six times to get things just right. Good luck. Scobie in Seattle RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] Re: Wings fs (rude?)
"Real men don't" read instructions or rules. (Unless they are looking for a loophole.) Regis -Original Message- From: Dick Barker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 10:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [RCSE] Re: Wings fs (rude?) Must be a GPS thing but I am getting private email saying I shouldn't mention a rule number without quoting the rule. It didn't know that anyone would enter a contest without knowing the rules, but here goes: 10.1.e Right-of-Way Rule. A sailplane attached to the launch equipment and therefore in the process of being launched has the right of way over sailplanes in flight. ... I would pasted in the remediation portion if the AMA had not locked out "select and copy" in the pdf document. Dick RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] transport
Can't help you with your Boomerang, but for just that reason I asked Santa for a Chinook. A little pricey for the small package - but then again, that was the point. I bet a boom or zagi could be made to 'fold' like the chinook. Regis -Original Message- From: Randy Bullard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 12:16 PM To: rcse Subject: [RCSE] transport I'm heading to Hawaii next week. I am not sure of the best way to get the Boomerang there. Because of it's a wing, it takes a larger than you would expect box to pack the thing. Although I've done it this way before, it's a pain. I'm thinking about doing it as a carry on. Can I put it in the overhead without it being crushed? Will I be able to walk on board without being shot as a terrorist? Any suggestions from those that have traveled with wings would be appreciated. Randy Bullard RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] searching archived messages
The following is a repeat of a post from Mon 1/8/2001 3:28 PM - It has not yet shown up on the list. ?? You do not NEED to subscribe to use the 'soaring' Mail Archive @ http://www.mail-archive.com/soaring@airage.com/ and http://www.egroups.com/messages/soaring/ but you can't post unless you subscribe (where you can chose digest). See http://www.eclipse.net/~mikel/rcse/rcse.htm also. If you do not want a lot traffic, you can join RCSE @ http://www.egroups.com/group/RCSE - only two post so far this year. (Are you confused? - So am I.) Then there is the F3F group - sort of international slope racing - a fun group (with lots of bashing but nobody get upset) @ http://www.egroups.com/group/F3F. And that is just a drop in the bucket - @ http://www.egroups.com/ a search using 'R/C' yields 508 groups (not all, but most appear to be RC related). Search on RC only get you 259 groups (including rc-sailplane - in Japanese I think). Many to choose from. "So many groups, so little time." Regis -Original Message- From: Erik Lotoszynski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 5:25 PM To: soaring exchange Subject: [RCSE] searching archived messages Can somebody tell me how to get to the soaring exchanges archived messages. A couple weeks ago there was a an address that allowed me to do this. Thanks Erik Lotoszynski __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] JR 610 fix
WANTED - your worthless JR 610 and/or tetra receivers. Top Dollar (*), if undamaged by hammer or nails. :~) * 10 cents on the dollar and no receipt necessary. Your friendly scavenger -Original Message- From: Ed Berris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 4:34 PM To: Pat Bruce; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [RCSE] JR 610 fix I sent two 610's in, no receipt required. In less than a week I received two new 610's. I'm not familiar with Karlton's thread but if you were under the belief that you needed a receipt I think you will find this is an error. I didn't and I don't think you will either. Ed - Original Message - From: "Pat Bruce" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 2:50 PM Subject: [RCSE] JR 610 fix I am not aware of any offer by JR to fix it (Karlton tetra thread). Any details? I have no receipt Thanks RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] New Plane
R U serious? Regis -Original Message- From: Tim Olson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 7:14 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [RCSE] New Plane Are the planes pretty??? I can load the site but none of the images display. Also, they do not have any link to images for the Chicago Style RES so it wouldn't help anyway. I think they are still working on the site. The URLs embedded in the site are incorrect -- they contain backslashes instead of forward slashes. To view the pages that don't load, just replace the backslashes with forward slashes and reload... -- tim RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] Aluminium cases at Walmart
Walmart also sells pistol cases. They are plastic but quite substantial. Mine has an embossed eagle graphic. Holds one, possibly two Txs. 4 pistol Case - Protector Series - Model 1404. Less than $15. Regis -Original Message- From: Stephen Syrotiak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2000 8:17 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: [RCSE] Aluminium cases at Walmart Gentlefolk, A short while ago someone on this list mentioned that Walmart sold cases that would work well as tx carriers. I toured my local W y'day to no avail. What were these cases being sold as? (according to Walmart) TIA -- Stephen Syrotiak, bent and stooped walking with a lantern up and down the aisles. Southern Connecticut http://pages.cthome.net/stephen RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] Twist on Forward Swept Wing
Not so odd. That is the accepted 'planform' for FAI combat and FAI Team Race (control line). Regis -Original Message- From: Scott Hewett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2000 8:43 AM To: Dennis Phelan Cc: Soaring List Subject: Re: [RCSE] Twist on Forward Swept Wing Dennis- You're talking about Pat Bowman's "JW"'s. Incredible performance. They don't even seem like foamies, but they are. Another friend just built a composite one, and I'm waiting to hear his reports of its DS qualities, especially after the high winds in the Berkeley Hills lately. Check out the "JW"'s, you'll be impressed with the performance. And yes, as you said, they seem "odd". Scott Dennis Phelan wrote: Dudes, Consider a plank wing with a straight LE, TE swept forward. It seems like twist should be the reverse of a sweptback wing and be more positive at the tips. It also seems odd. Since this is a relatively stable planform, is it the right way to go? The spreadsheet doesn't help me on this. Whaddayathink? = Dennis Phelan In a crisis, you don't rise to occasion. You sink to the level of your training. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] Age old question - can I go wrong with a HiTec Flash 4 or 5XG?
Ah, but I can do all those things with my NON-computer Century 7 JR. And I can do it a lot faster, eaiser (and cheaper). I am not anti computer radio - they do things the Century 7 could not - like assign/switch function to a channel. But programming them is 20 years behind the state-of-art. (And yes I can set the clock on a VCR - thank you.) Regis -Original Message- From: Guy Buchanan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 9:19 PM To: Stuart A. Hall Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [RCSE] Age old question - can I go wrong with a HiTec Flash 4 or 5XG? I can answer this! And I'm a total newbie! You can effectively use a computer radio on your first flight! A computer radio isn't just for making your flaps extend when your zipper drops, it makes installation, set-up, and learning much easier. You don't have to mess with making sure the servos are connected the right way, since you can electronically flip any servo. You don't have to worry about excessive throws, because you set those in the radio. And best of all, when you first start, you set the throws really low and use 50 to 100% exponential to make your flying easy. As you progress with that same model you bring down the exponential and bring up the throws. It's WONDERFUL! Guy Buchanan - Flash 4X Guy Buchanan RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] RE: [RISE] Real Sailpanes??????
I have come to except the gnome; the only difference between men and boys is the size of their toys. If it ain't a tool, it must be a toy. ;~} -Original Message- From: Ben Diss [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 11:28 PM To: Paul Ferguson Cc: 'Charles Miller'; Soaring listserver Subject: Re: [RCSE] Real Sailpanes?? My 2M ARF glider cost $470 and is a full house contest plane weighing 28oz. I'd hate for my wife to think of that as a toy. Now my Zagi ... that is a toy. -B Paul Ferguson wrote: I have a good theory.. 40 size ARF Trainers = Toys 2 Metre ARF Gliders = Toys You play with them until you decide what arm of the hobby you like. Then you graduate to "models" which you use to advance your chosen art. Paul Ferguson Adelaide, Australia -Original Message- From: Charles Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 3:33 AM To: Soaring listserver Subject: [RCSE] Real Sailpanes?? David, David,, David!!! What do you mean by "Real Sailplanes" what do you think we fly? "Toys?" Damn, you full scale pilots sure do get full of yourselves once you "graduate" from models ;- ). David, We fly models Not toys! I have been flying REAL Sailplanes for 13 years. I do not fly them at this time. I just started flying the models about 2 years agoI actually have devoted more time for flying MODEL gliders.. To be honest with you , The real ones are much easier to fly Charlie RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] Aerodynamics Q's (scimitar tips)
I assume you are referring to the optional mylar tips for the Logic HLG. They are supposed to improve its light lift performance. Perhaps! Neither I nor Phil Barns (The maker of the Logic kits - not the logic designer) use them, but for opposite reasons. He does not need the help. My skill is helpless. :~} If you set the logic up as designed, I am sure the tips (and the dimple tape - no chad jokes please) will help. But if the tips are not 'true', they won't. Regis -Original Message- From: daniel.armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 3:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [RCSE] Aerodynamics Q's (scimitar tips) Can anyone please explain to me how the scimitar/swept tips that are currently in fashion work? Are they significantly more efficient then a standard tip? Are there any formulas/rules for working out how best to apply them? Thanks in advance for any help Daniel Armstrong Chester, UK RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] Re: Contest and LSF levels
Oh - they do change! Maybe one step backward for every two toward the better. Think how much better the models and radios are than 25 years ago (for about the same $). :~) Is the world not a better place than 100 years ago? And hasn't Australia ... ah .. - oh oh, I forgot about the Aborigines (and the all the indigenous folk around the world). Now I am depressed. Regis -Original Message- From: Paul Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 4:38 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [RCSE] Re: Contest and LSF levels -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 6:26 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [RCSE] Re: Contest and LSF levels First, the LSF is Not going to change it's program. The LSF is Not going to change it's program. The LSF is Not going to change it's program. The LSF is Not going to change it's program. Oh, I agree... but it is good to debate these things. Just like getting the silly US Electoral System changed so that it is democratic. (Mandatory voting, proportional voting, hand written votes, all hand counts) Good to talk about, but it will never change. We all know that there are many flawed systems in the world that are so traditional that they will never change despite having holes in the concept big ebough to drive a truck through, What would we talk about over a beer if it was not for these things. Paul Ferguson Adelaide, Australia (Please don't flame me, I'm feeling fragile today) RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] Original Crystal Question
I think the answer here is that JR (probably from complaints) believes their (JR) receivers on channels 11 - 14 are 'at risk' from FM channel 56 - 60 Txs (any make). Thus they have stopped supplying the Rx crystals - channels 11 - 14. Question: Do they sell TX modules for channels 11 - 14? Probably no more. I do have both (JR Module and JR Rx) on channel 12. It (Rx) has not been tested 'under fire'. since I have owned it. I have 'contested' the JR Tx (Ch 12) using both RCD 555 and FMA receivers with no sign of interference (as expected). Regis -Original Message- From: Mike Stump [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 9:24 AM To: bobless; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [RCSE] Original Crystal Question JR has recommended not using, then discontinued stocking parts for channels 11-14... there is a reason.. want to risk your planes? do what you want.. At 06:00 PM 12/6/00 -0700, you wrote: All I really wanted to know is if I can switch my JR 549 recievers to channel 11, to be used with a Stylus transmitter? Do I have to use JR crystals (not available channels 11-14) or not. Can I use another brand of crystals or not? Thank you RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Stumper [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] Infinity 1000 - sale
What is it please? I will bet I am not the only one who needs a clue. Regis -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2000 10:03 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [RCSE] Infinity 1000 - sale Infinity 1000 w/original metal carrying case Have original documentation (rare) Best offer Ciao %) Ed Granger RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] crystals
Yes, you can use any positive shift (opposite Futaba) receiver. But do you have a JR Tx module on channel 11? Regis -Original Message- From: bobless [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2000 12:29 PM To: ex Subject: [RCSE] crystals I have a couple of JR 549 (FM) receivers that I want to switch to channel 11. Found out that no one has JR crystals below channel 15, what's up with that? Does anyone know where I can find JR crystals on CH.11? Or is it possible to use a different brand? I know there is a lot of radio experts out there, info would be deeply appreciated. Bob RMSA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] Thermals/Winter
It was stuck (frozen in space). Regis -Original Message- From: John Erickson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 12:21 PM To: Charles Miller; Soaring List Subject: Re: [RCSE] Thermals/Winter snip// As I recall, Al once said he thermaled a glider when the temperature was below 0° F. JE -- Erickson Architects John R. Erickson, AIA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] Servo?
you can get Y connectors with 'reversing' built in. Regis -Original Message- From: Pat McCleave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 10:36 PM To: Matt Lydon Cc: RCSE Subject: Re: [RCSE] Servo? Hi Gang, In Matt's defense, I did not really make myself clear as to why I needed to reverse the servos. I am in the process of building a Scale ASW27 for Larry Scaramella and will be Y-connecting the spoiler servos and also the retract and aerotow servos. I am sure Matt was just trying to be helpful. Now can someone tell me more about these fancy radios everyone has been talking about :o). See Ya, Pat - Original Message - From: Matt Lydon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pat McCleave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 9:19 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Servo? Ok, how about using two different channels and mixing them? This works great unless you have a receiver light in channels.or...several companies make Y cables with built in reversing on one side. Matt - Original Message - From: "Pat McCleave" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Matt Lydon" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 9:42 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Servo? Matt, I fly a JR8103 which has all sorts of cool things but even it cannot reverse one servo and not the other when two servos are Y-connected together. Thanks for the suggestion though. See Ya, Pat McCleave Wichita, KS - Original Message - From: Matt Lydon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pat McCleave [EMAIL PROTECTED]; RCSE [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Servo? Pat, Get yourself a modern radio..everything from a Futaba 4 AM has reversing switches on it, these days. Why mess around with soldering, opening servos, etc. Matt - Original Message - From: "Pat McCleave" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "RCSE" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 2:18 PM Subject: [RCSE] Servo? Hi Gang, I have a need to reverse a JR241 servo and need to know what wire need to be swapped in order to do so. I may also have to do the same thing to a Hitec HS85BB so help there would be great as well. TIA, Pat McCleave Wichita, KS RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] DS and nylon wing bolts
Yes, I was flying a Graupner Bussard and one of the two nylon hold down bolts broke. Plane spiraled in. Broke one blade and minor dent in one wing. The other bolt held (even with the extra stress) so I think the one that broke was flawed. They were surprisingly small to begin with (metric 4x20) but that was what plans called for (and as supplied). Regis -Original Message- From: John Baumbach [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 1:59 PM To: Soaring Newsletter Subject: [RCSE] DS and nylon wing bolts A buddy of mine took his Opus V into the ground pretty hard while DS'ing. The fuse is ok but the wing spar broke out through the wing skin. Since the Opus has a metal wing bolt, it had no chance to break first and save the wing. It seems like having a nylon bolt would have prevented the damage (of course, at the expense of structural strength). Has anyone ever heard of a nylon wing bolt breaking in the air? Thanks in advance. John __ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] flip-side was RE: Ultra Sport 60 on slope? (LONG, RANTINGRESPONSE)
IC = what? (integrated circuits? - internal combustion? - international competition? - interactive combat? - Irish coffee?) ??? -Original Message- From: Bill Johns [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 6:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [RCSE] flip-side was RE: Ultra Sport 60 on slope? (LONG, RANTINGRESPONSE) Ralph Weaver wrote: At 02:44 PM 10/20/00 +, Adam Till wrote: So that's why I don't fly gas planes anymore. Call me a snob if you want to, but I'll be at the glider field in the mean time... ;) If you really want to get a lot of grief, go to a soaring field with an electric sailplane. They'll make it quite clear that you're not up to their standards. Fascinating. We all have our stories. I decided to learn how to fly (electric sailplane) and went to a local club only to be met by some sorta like what has been described here, i.e. electrics are no good, etc. I found out later this happened to be the person I ran into that day, but it sure was a turn-off. I then wandered down to another local club, Lewis and Clark RC (LCRC). 90% IC fliers, they took me in, accepted my interest in electrics without batting an eye. Got me going in fine shape. Perhaps a year later, I found sailplanes and focused there ever since. I belong to LCRC even though they remain 90% IC. I took my Monarch D-lite down for show and tell and they all marveled at it. One of the other glider-guiders shows up with a 2 meter or open ship and we all enjoy sharing tales. The IC field is about 8 miles or so from where we fly sailplanes. I often wander by the IC field with an electric whatever. Always warmly welcomed. Lately some of the IC fliers have been showing up to watch us fly at the sailplane site. We've got a great bunch of guys out here. I for one really appreciate it. OBTW: At the NWSS regional tournament in early September this year, during lunch break we had a demo of an electric plane, (SWAG F3B???) All I know is it went like a raped-ape and was piloted by someone who really knew what he was doing (placed internationally at some major event) We all Ooo'ed and Ahhh'ed. Electrics are often seen at sailplane sites. We have a great bunch of guys out here. No, wait, I said that already. ;-) OK, back to the ranting. Bill -- Every exit is an entry to someplace else. T. Stoppard Bill Johns Pullman, Washington RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] Picojet Combat
I see no mention of the FMA Razor. It looks like it might be a Zagi like RTF. Any feedback on the FMA Razor? Regis -Original Message- From: Dennis Phelan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 1:02 PM To: Soaring List POST Subject: Re: [RCSE] Picojet Combat Greetings again! There was good response to this: Dennis Phelan wrote: Is this the best ARF/RTF do anything plane I can get? Do anything?? Of course I knew there were few RTF or even ARF in this class and I knew it wouldn't do or be everything. I left it open to hear from you guys. Here's how you stood: 2 fliers were very pro towards the Picojet Combat 2 fliers were very anti PJCombat 3 fliers were very pro Zagi 400 2 fliers liked both for their goods and bads. It's still a difficult decision for me. I really only wanted a plane to take on a camping vacation where the chance of good sloping has always been poor but where there are places to fly. It seems the hours needed to put together a Zagi are not a negative, especially if you're going to power it with a hot 400/400BB/480 and lots of cells, this is true for PJCombat also. Motor makes a big difference here, and I wonder how many PJCombat owners would like their plane if it had a better motor/battery combo? I'm still open but beginning to think that I should get both. That would mean that one would be ready for sure and in the future, I would always have a plane for "anything". Ya, ya I'm still not covering everything. = Dennis Phelan In a crisis, you don't rise to the occasion. You sink to the level of your training. __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] Low-end computer radio
I respectfully disagree. Most of the many (perhaps most) of the members of this list are contest oriented RC modelers. Most RC modelers, however, are fun flyers and not contest oriented. That is why most owners of RC equipment have never used more than four servos (or any option requiring more than four channels). Yes you may grow into it - better chance that you may also lose interest and not. If you become a rabid RC modeler (like many on this list), you will not be satisfied with only one radio. (My guess is that most members of this list have more than two radios.) So that is why I would not encourage any one new to the hobby to go high end. Regis -Original Message- From: Jim Cubbage [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2000 3:19 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; Donald and Jennifer Martin Cc: RCSE Subject: RE: [RCSE] Low-end computer radio Hello, I have a Futaba 6XAS and it will allow you to setup a full plane. I have set it up on my Javelin so I can practice with it. What it doesn't have is the mixing control the more advanced radio's have with all the extras. Now you may say, well I don't need that stuff, I just need the basic setup to practice. That is a false assumption. I have just bought a Futaba 8UAF so I can have all the mixing options for a HLG or Full House setup plane. You see, having these extra options allows you to create a plane that is in the end, easier to fly. You see, if you buy a 6 channel radio and you like flying a full house plane, then you will quickly appreciate the advanced options a better Tx presents. Then you will want to go out and buy that one and in the end spend more money. I would rather grow into an item, than out of it. Jim Cubbage -Original Message- From: Brett Jaffee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 11:05 AM To: Donald and Jennifer Martin Cc: RCSE Subject: Re: [RCSE] Low-end computer radio Futaba doesn't make a 4ch computer radio...only 6 channels and up. The Hitec Flash 4x and 5x are the best bang for the buck for a compuer radio, and the servos and receivers are compatible with Futaba. That said, the I don't believe that the Flash 5x can do complex mixing for a full-house plane, such as crow, aileron-flap mixing (not flaperon), and full span trailing edge camber/mixing. I'm not even sure that the 6 channel Futaba can do that. Donald and Jennifer Martin wrote: All: I want to buy a Futaba four-channel computer radio, or a computer radio compatible with Futaba equipment. Low-end model is all I need and can afford. I'll be using it with an Alcyone 3M. Can someone tell me which is the best buy for the money? Thanks! Scott Martin Jacksonville, Ark. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- _ Brett Jaffee [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~jaffee The Unoffical Extra 300 Home Page http://www.bayarea.net/~nathan/extra300 OnTheWay Quake 2 and 3 Server Utility http://www.planetquake.com/ontheway _ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] Re: Opus plural
So, the plural of cactus is cactera then? -Original Message- From: Daniel Olin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 11:39 PM To: Tom Watson Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [RCSE] Re: Opus plural No, it really is "opera". Look it up! "Opuses" is acceptable if you're the kind of person who says "cactuses" and pronounces "coyote" as ki-oht. On Tue, 12 Sep 2000, Tom Watson wrote: Nah, "Opii"... If anyone is interested, the correct plural form of "opus" is "opera". Daniel O. Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Then, doubt not, ye fearful-- The Eternal is King-- Up, heart, and be cheerful, And lustily sing:-- What chariots, what horses Against us shall bide While the Stars in their courses Do fight on our side? -Rudyard Kipling, "An Astrologer's Song" RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Re: [RCSE] AMA, Nats; Solutions?
Right on! I do have a question though. But first let me say I realize that the popular categorization of U.S. of A. citizens is 'american'. But why? The last time I looked at a map, Canada took up about 1/2 of North America. Then there is Mexico, Central America countries and the South America countries. Are we not ALL 'americans'? Always been puzzled by this. Regis -Original Message- From: Adam Till [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 10:14 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re: [RCSE] AMA, Nats; Solutions? I've been watching this thread with growing disinterest over the last few days, and all I can say is that I'm glad there are as many idiots in America as there are here in Canada; it wouldn't be fair if we got the lion's share, now would it? Here in Canada we have MAAC, which is very much the the Canadian version of the AMA. For years I thought, in good company, that MAAC was created simply to suck up enough money each year so that I had one less sailplane in the air, that club executives were only composed of people who got a kick out of making up rules, and that CD's were out to ensure that everyone had as little fun at contests as possible. Now, I never vocalized these feelings (as some on this list seem to have little trouble doing), but I had them nonetheless. After serving a few years on the executive's of a few clubs, however, I began to see the immense amounts of effort that go into governing the actions of modelers in this day and age. Although people are always able to point out things that are wrong, few ever have anything constructive to add once the bitching is done. At the heart of any organisation there is always a small group of people who are willing to drag the winches out every weekend, whether they want to or not, or who are willing to hunt down a corporate sponsor so guys can have a barbeque after a major contest. How many people do you know that suddenly "have plans" on field clean-up day? People are quick to forget that almost everyone, from club president to MAAC zone rep to joe-average flyer, is in this hobby AS A HOBBY. People VOLUNTEER to put up websites and CD contests last time I checked. This was supposed to be RELAXING and ENJOYABLE, so maybe things don't turn out perfectly every time. Welcome to real life. So, I put forth this suggestion to our interpid exchange. As criticizm and conflict are for the most part constructive, feel free to post your woes and concerns for all to see. But earn that right by posting solutions as well, not just insults and rants; that doesn't do anyone any good. Serve a year on your club executive, help to organize a nationwide fun-fly, and then I'll listen with more interest when you start bitching again ;) Oh, from what I've heard, I'm a "yea" too. Cheers, Adam Let me add another vote to the "Yea" side. I appreciate that you shared these photos with us. To the nay-sayers, I say stuff it, and unless you can do better, shut up. I have received over 10 personal emails now telling me that my pictures or my web page suck, that photos don't have the right stuff in them, don't have the right lighting, are the wrong DPI, are the wrong size (either too small or too big), they weren't up quick enough, too slow to load, what ever... Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] Environmentalist Crackpots
Yeah Pat, we are just wasting a lot of money on a cure for cancer and space exploration. There is no hope so lets start the Sodom and Gomorrah party now. ;^] -Original Message- From: Dale Brengman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 7:19 PM To: Dennis Phelan Cc: Pat McCleave; RCSE Subject: Re: [RCSE] Environmentalist Crackpots that depends on what picture you are looking at extinction is part of the cycle so get over it Dennis Phelan wrote: Pat, Thanks! --- Pat McCleave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: None of these creatures or plants are insignificant to the whole big picture. = Dennis Phelan __ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] cleaning up the list
Define "pennance". :-) -Original Message- From: Mike Stump [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 10:54 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [RCSE] cleaning up the list just an afterthought from a quiet weekend with the list... maybe when all the posts come through, all who posted; "is the list down?" should pay a pennance.. :-) Mike Stump [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] FW: GOOP
The message here (link) is that Goop comes in many flavors. I think we all could use some first hand feed back. Regis -Original Message- From: Jimmy D. Andrews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 9:41 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: soaring@airage. com; David Griffin Subject: Re: [RCSE] FW: GOOP It is like a viscous version of the cement used to glue small plastic models together. I found a photo at: http://www.webhorizon.com/am/Eclectic_ProductsFrame1Source1.htm Jimmy RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] World Engines RX
Probably not - if it is narrow banded. The crystal will determine the freq. I am sure there is someone on the list that can be more helpful to determine the freq. and the shift. Regis -Original Message- From: Sam Cardinal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2000 9:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [RCSE] World Engines RX I just picked up a World Engines 7 ch FM RX on Ebay for $12. I thought it was a pretty good deal. Then I found out World Engines is now defunct. The RX is on a unknown freq(tag is missing). Did I make a boo-boo or will I be able to get a crystal for this beast? Anyone have sources? Any help would be appreciated. Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] PayPal
I was skeptical at first, but I have been using it for about five months now and love it. It is free, fast, secure and you have a great record of your transgressions, err... transactions. Regis - If you are not a PayPal user, check it out at: https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=regis%40ieee.org -Original Message- From: Laird, Jack E [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 11:05 AM To: 'Greg Nuspel'; RCSE Subject: RE: [RCSE] PayPal I like the ease of use with PayPal (once registered) and of course, anyone with an email address can send/receive money. I just sent in my annual CASL club dues with it. Jack Laird RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Lithium TX battery
I have seen some discussion about these memory backup batteries on this list. Well, I bought my first computer radio, a used JR 388. It is about five years old and I do not know what I need to do about the five year lithium battery. TIA, Regis White RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] 70 mah bats
You might try John Tracey [EMAIL PROTECTED] , He will work with you, Just Ask 860 350 0754. Or Dave Thacker www.radicalrc.com . He has some Hydri-Pro NIMH 280 RX packs - $9. They both take PayPal too. Regis If you are not a PayPal user, check it out at: https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=regis%40ieee.org -Original Message-From: Bill Rose Haymaker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 9:22 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [RCSE]Anyone know of a supplier of 70 mAh batteries?RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] Re: YOUR EMAIL PROGRAM IS displaying HTML code - why?
The biggest problem, as I see it, is the lack of a standard. (Blame Microsoft if you want, but do not blame IEEE, but if Microsoft is de-tooth, you will be a long time waiting for one.) I personally feel email is a poor means of communicating (plain text is cold and impersonal). HTML offers some means of expression at least. Now, since I have deleted the previous string to save band width (and do my part for the environment), nobody reading this will have any idea what I am talking (in plain text) about. :-) Hmm, are smiley faces allowed on lists? RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Polarity in JR Mark VIII
Needed to replace the Tx battery and sniped the leads where it was patched. Unfortunately, I did not pay enough attention to polarity - assumed black = neg. etc. (This Transmitter does not have the usual JR stick battery pack.) I make up a new pack and was ready to connect. OH, oh - no black wire. It has a red and WHITE wire. BUT the orientation of the red wire is opposite that of my two other JR TXs (and they booth have Red and Black leads). OK, looking in the TX with the back off, and focusing on the battery plug (connector) in the Tx; IS NEG to the left or right? Any body out there still have a Mark VIII? Any help will be appreciated. Regis RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] tacky talk
Just what does your post contribute? Did the list need it? Regis -Original Message- From: d. o. darnell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 10:00 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:[RCSE] tacky talk Original excerpts () From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] We don't need this kind of stuff on the forum. Why don't you just delete the whole list, Del? RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] Multiplex wants to know
I want a new (*) eight channel S (ingle) S (tick) radio. Regis * programmable -Original Message-From: Karlton Spindle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 9:30 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: Norbert HabermannSubject: [RCSE] Multiplex wants to knowI just got back from Germany and we want to hear from YOU on what YOU wantin a R/C system.Please let Dr. Hess know what YOU want! [EMAIL PROTECTED]Smooth Thermals,Karlton MrMPX Spindlehttp://www.MultiplexRC.comRCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] Gordy Caught with weapon in Anaheim this week!
Excuse me sir, but I am afraid you may have the wrong list here. Try http://www.onelist.com/community/0ur-Love-Advice . A romantic soul -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 9:44 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [RCSE] Gordy Caught with weapon in Anaheim this week!Yep tomorrow I will be in sunny (I hope) California till next Thursday. Iam staying at the Best Western on Harbor Rm 239.I will have my Synergy 5 armed and dangerous and hopefully will be on theTemple Hill on SundayBut best laid plans are often set ascew by 'she who must be obeyed. My wifesays things will unfold differently.She says shopping down near the ocean.We shall seeWill Gordy show her who wears the pants in the family or will he be seencowering 5 paces behind, mumbling, yes honey, no honey...Only the gods of soaring know the fate of GordySoar on this trip.GordyFingers crossed that the hero wins the day.RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] Best Coverings
I agree. It was good 30 years ago (still have planes covered 30 years ago). If find a film that is as good AND IS LESS EXPENSIVE, let us all know. Regis -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 8:06 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [RCSE] Best Coverings Doug, Monokote Is a good choice for covering your 650. The cause for your lack of success on EPP was probably due to having to use a higher heat setting than the EPP can stand. With open bay wings Monokote becomes a structural part of the wing. Save the Oracover for EPP. Good Luck, Rich RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] RE: Sailplane Names
Picked up a used Logic that had seen better days. Dubbed it 'Fuzzy Logic'. Regis RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] A little hint when announcing contests
I will second that. Regis -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2000 8:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [RCSE] A little hint when announcing contests Folks, When announcing a contest, please give full information, like specifically. where the contest is going to be. Some of us don't know where your clubs are by just the acronym you use, like the BAR/CSS contest just announced. Thanks, Dana RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] Support those who support You!
Would you have mentioned names if the experience had been a positive one? We should not let a few bullies intimidate us, but in this litigious world, I sympathies with your reluctance. Guess who -Original Message- From: Kevin D. Broussard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2000 9:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:[RCSE] Support those who support You! I had my bad experience and unfortunately it was my first experience with this hobby. I almost gave up immediately because of this experience. The Web Site is impressive and so are the products but after long deliberation I decided that I couldn't support someone that couldn't support me. I even sent an e-mail that said that "we both loose on this one". Even after several months I tried again to buy a plane and it still seemed like he didn't want to sell me one. I just don't understand why someone that seems to be so unhappy with being a supplier would stay in the business. Notice I didn't mentioned any names. Thanks, Kevin RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] Sal bashing thread
But do you feel better informed (GOOD)? Or do you feel confused (BAD)? Guess who -Original Message- From: Michael Imsic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2000 11:06 PM To: Soaring Exchange Subject:[RCSE] Sal bashing thread I have not formed an opinion about the guy. Never met him, never corresponed with him. I just though i had better let you guys know. I hate being left out of the conversation. Michael Melbourne, Australia. __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] Complaints about vendors
Democracy is dependent on a free press. There are plenty a places in this world that give lip service to the concept - but they do not practice it (to the determent of there citizens). I subscribe to this list to hear the good and the bad. Once you have muzzled the members of this list, it becomes no better than a magazine that well never do a derogatory review. (So far, Sal - NSP - has come out pretty well.) Please, if you have had a bad experience from any vender, do not be bullied into silence by a few rude flamers'- just be objective. If you subscribe to the theory of "the divine right of kings", move to one the backward (government, not people) nations of the world with a state controlled press. Freedom is a precious and a fragile concept that is not guaranteed. It gets stronger with practice but will atrophy with disuse. To be objective, Freedom is also undermined by misuse. so please be objective. Regis -Original Message- From: James Porter Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2000 2:34 AM To: soaring Subject:[RCSE] Complaints about vendors Alright, I'm getting on my high horse now. Those of you who like to complain won't want to read this but you should. Ok, everybody, give these guys a break. It's a tough job to answer all the questions that come up every day, 365 days a year. I speak from experience - having worked for SIG for over four years. It's amazing the STUPID questions, the UNRESEARCHED questions and the TRIVIAL questions that are asked of a vendor or manufacturer of model airplane products. Realize that all these guys have a lot to do in addition to answering your questions, many of which you could solve yourself with a little thought, some light reading or a little listening. The Internet has made it very easy to contact a vendor and ask a question - and often without thought as to what was really asked or how difficult the answer might be. And although there are many 'standard questions', there are many more that require individual answers. Each unique question might take two lines or two pages to properly answer. Think about this. If you received two hundred emails a day and could read and answer each one in two minutes, that's 400 minutes or over six hours a day. Can you understand why the answers become short and/or the responder sounds a little rushed or irritated? Now as to product complaints. I have been on the receiving end of calls that were anything but polite while blaming the design and materials of a kit for a failure. Closer inspection of parts revealed things like: spars 'spliced' with butt joints; wings which required struts assembled without the hard points so it was obvious no struts had ever been used; covering put on with the backing still on; kits extensively modified by a person obviously lacking in structural or aeronautical expertise; .90 sized engines on airframes designed for a .40. The list is endless because nothing is foolproof - and fools are often particularly ingenious in expressing their foolishness. Product availability is another issue entirely. Most of these companies depend on other companies for their products. Many of the suppliers are across the big water and can not, will not or are not able to supply what's needed when it's needed. As the demand for prefabricated (much nicer than ARF) products grows so do the delivery problems. Consider this: if the DEA decides your container load of product might have drugs in it they; one, drill holes and take samples; or two, empty the container onto the dock and open the boxes; or three the dockworker spears the boxes with a fork truck. Each action delays the delivery and frequently ruins the contents. Sure, you generally get your money back, but in the meantime you have no product, you don't know where it is and you don't know when you're going to get it. How about the way a customer uses your product. Naah, you get the idea. It becomes VERY difficult to stay civil when you receive nothing but complaints, because very few people ever express their thanks for the things that are done well. Ask intelligent questions. Be patient, you are not the only customer. The best price does not always generate the best outcome. Don't call first thing Monday complaining about Sundays crash, think first. Don't call Friday for something you want/need Saturday. Expect that things not available today might not get in until at least tomorrow. 8) If you get lost in the shuffle, try again. It probably was unintentional. Remember how many people may or may not work for the company in question. When was the last time you went a year, a week, a day without making a mistake? I'll accept positive feedback only. All others reply offline Jim Porter Bettendorf, Iowa RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send
RE: [RCSE] Re Disclaimer
we do now! -Original Message-From: Rob Condliffe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Friday, October 08, 1999 12:26 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [RCSE] Re Disclaimer Aneil You sent this to the wrong list 8-) These guys dont know New Zealanders are area invading the Australian Champs next year- I agree with you though 8-)) Rob Condliffe Christchurch New Zealand
RE: [RCSE] Can jet soar??
Yes they can, and I am living proof. Regis White -Original Message- From: Chris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, October 03, 1999 11:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; (RCSE) Soaring Age Subject:Re: [RCSE] Can jet soar?? Rick, The Space Shuttle glides in from space with swept back wings. Though at a high speed and a high angle of attack. Chris Rick Bothell wrote: I was just wondering. When the engines of the USA high power fighter planes lose power. Can they keep up enough speed to soar in order to advoid a crash?? How about our jet liners?? I was just wondering. Sure wish I could have made Visilia. Rick Bothell Prescott Valley, AZ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
