[Talk-GB] MapRoulette challenge for schools

[Rob Nickerson]

Hi all,

We have a maproulette challenge for UK schools!! Thanks go to Martijn for
setting this up.

We’re live:
http://maproulette.org/#t=ukschools/6d5899d6-facc-4460-b152-6e0ac68188bb

It focuses on the postcode areas that are least mapped including Wales and
NI.

Notes:
* Pan around the map to find the school (which may not be exactly where the
point shows).
* ysgol is welsh for school. You may want to use language specific name
tags.

Happy mapping,
Rob
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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] MapRoulette challenge for schools

[Rob Nickerson]

Hi all,

We have a maproulette challenge for UK schools!! Thanks go to Martijn for
setting this up.

We’re live:
http://maproulette.org/#t=ukschools/6d5899d6-facc-4460-b152-6e0ac68188bb

It focuses on the postcode areas that are least mapped including Wales and
NI.

Notes:
* Pan around the map to find the school (which may not be exactly where the
point shows).
* ysgol is welsh for school. You may want to use language specific name
tags.

Happy mapping,
Rob
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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Wednesday meet-up

[Rob Nickerson]

Hi all,

It's time for another midlands meet-up this Wednesday. Hope to see you all
there:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mappa_Mercia#Next_meeting

*Rob*
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] lidar

[Rob Nickerson]

Mark,

The Lidar data we took a look at for OpenStreetMap was the Environment
Agency data - we didn't collect anything ourselves. For OSM you'd need 50cm
resolution or better plus lots of people dedicated to then converting that
in to map data.

You may want to look at "StreetView" type images for interesting sites.
Have a look at http://www.mapillary.com/

Best,
*Rob*

On 25 February 2016 at 10:02, Andy Robinson  wrote:

> From my experience, albeit from a few years ago now, the acquisition isn’t
> perhaps the main challenge, it’s the processing of the huge amount of cloud
> point data that lidar produces that makes the process complicated.
>
> Cheers
> Andy
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mark Croft Redditch Linux Mint [mailto:mark.croft@gmail.com]
> Sent: 25 February 2016 09:35
> Cc: talk-gb-westmidlands
> Subject: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] lidar
>
> hi
>
> i seen people posting about lidar data being intergrated with open street
> maps. Has anyone got the ear of the people doing the lidar scanning because
> it would useful/interested to scan redditch if there are over this way it
> would make sense.
>
> We have a number of interesting sites - the most interesting is
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bordesley_Abbey
>
> Not sure if they had anything like lidar done but they sent up a drone the
> other day.
>
> https://youtu.be/8JgIlUbVk2w
>
> how hard is it too attached lidar to such a drone? maybe a raspberry pi
> project?
>
>
> mark
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[Talk-GB] Case study: Big Pathwatch

[Rob Nickerson]

All,

Last year the Ramblers launched an app to encourage people to report
problems with rights of way.

The concept was easy: You pick a 1km square, survey the paths it in, and
report back.

I've just received the following email which gives an indication of public
interest in this sort of thing:

The Big Pathwatch has now closed! *Thank you so much* for joining us and
being part of the first ever nationwide footpath survey. Together, we have
surveyed an incredible *75,836 square km *across England and Wales,
reporting more than *70,000 footpath problems *and *58,000 positive
features*.

*Rob*
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[Talk-GB] New users and P2

[Rob Nickerson]

Hi,

Is anyone aware of any recent OSM press - we've seen a lot of new OSM
mappers in the Midlands in the last 2 days :-)

Also is Potlatch 2 still the default for new mappers as they all seem to be
using that? I though we'd switched to iD as the default across all browsers
now (although I don't remember where I read that!).

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Re: [Talk-GB] Tuesday March 1st is Night School

[Rob Nickerson]

Blog post and tweets - please share to help spread the word on our 1st
March "Night School" mapathon.

http://www.mappa-mercia.org/2016/02/welcome-to-night-school-1st-march.html
https://twitter.com/osmuk/status/702599949293363201

Cheers,
*Rob*
p.s. We;re 70 edits of 10,000 if anyone wants to see if they can crack them
out by the end of today (Wednesday) :-D
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[Talk-GB] Schools mapping project: Update number ?

[Rob Nickerson]

Hi all,

I've lost track of which update number we are on, but here are the latest
things from the UK Quarterly Project to map schools:

1. "Night School" event
To coincide with Open Data Day we are looking to hold an evening mapping
event. The aim being to get as many people involved for one evening as
possible. Date will most likely be Tuesday 1st March. It will be an online
event but if your local group wants to get together then go for it! Follow
the discussion at
https://www.loomio.org/d/Nt4DYCu2/concentrating-our-efforts or post to
talk-gb.

2. MapRoulette challenge
Martijn is woking on getting a maproulette challenge up online. I've
suggested we focus on our least mapped postcode regions. So that's BT
(Northern Ireland), NP, CF, SA, LD, SY, TF, OL, M, BL, WN, PR and BB.

3. 10,000 edits (and other stats)
Wow! We are getting close to 10,000 edits to amenity=school features.
Hopefully this will happen by Wednesday if we have a good few days. We're
also at over 250 mappers, 72.5% completeness (schools mapped as ways), and
around 2000 amenity=school ways have been added.

Happy mapping,
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Re: [Talk-GB] 2016 first quarterly project:Schools

[Rob Nickerson]

>Hi Rob et al.,
>
>I've created a quick umap instance
>
>showing school points within a school polygon.
>
>If anyone can tell me how to remove the bit of html which makes the url to
>the polygon not work, do let me know.
>
>Regards,
>
>Jerry

Hi Jerry,

Hope you are well.

As we're now half way through the project would it be possible to get an
update of this map? Hoping to see a lot fewer nodes within school polygons!

Cheers,
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[Talk-GB] UK group: Community Interest Company

[Rob Nickerson]

Hi all,

One of the outstanding actions for the UK group is should we set up as a
regular Limited Company or a Limited Company with Community Interest
Company (CIC) special features. The special features (e.g. Asset Lock)
sends a clear message of our intention to support the community rather than
personal gain.

The two main questions are:

Question 1: How much annual overhead?
It would require an extra annual form (CIC34) but as Brian noted during the
last meeting this is straightforward. Worked example:
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/454007/example-form-cic34-short-version2.doc

Question 2: What if we end up dissolving the group?
In this case we need to find another CIC or a Charity to transfer any
remaining assets to. We cannot transfer to a plain Limited Company such as
the OSMF.

In my view the annual overhead is minimal yet being a CIC brings clear
benefits from a transparency point of view. I would recommend that an OSMF
member raise the question of becoming a CIC to the OSMF Board as the
transparency would benefit them too (and should we ever dissolve the UK
group it would make things much simpler). If the OSMF were to "upgrade" to
CIC status it would cost them just GBP 25. They should consider what impact
the asset lock will have on their regular activities (e.g. cannot transfer
assets at less than full market value).

Best,
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Re: [Talk-GB] Redraft of objectives for OSMUK

[Rob Nickerson]

Thanks Richard,

Hugely important for wikimedia but I don't think we need to go as far as
defining it for the UK OSM Group (others may disagree).

Hopefully it is clear that we are saying any content/information/data that
wider OSM community considers to be suitable for use in OSM. This would
include geospatial data under a suitable licence, but also aerial imagery,
historic maps, geo referenced photos, etc...

Regards,
*Rob*

On 17 February 2016 at 22:19, Richard Symonds <
richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:

> WMUK uses the following definition:
> https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Open_knowledge
>
> "The definition of Open Content given in the Articles of Association says:
>
>  "Content" means textual or numerical information, still or moving images,
> sound or music or other data disseminated on printed, electronic and other
> appropriate media and services. Content is subject to editorial policies
> and safeguards designed to ensure its overall accuracy and quality.
>
> Content is "Open" when it is available for no charge and without
> discrimination to the general public, with legal rights to view, copy,
> share, adapt, improve and otherwise use and reuse that content and when
> technical measures are in place to support such usage."
>
> Richard Symonds
> Wikimedia UK
> 0207 065 0992
>
> Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and
> Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered
> Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT.
> United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia
> movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who
> operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
>
> *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control
> over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*
>
> On 17 February 2016 at 22:05, Rob Nickerson <rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> >Hi everyone
>> >
>> >3rd draft following this week's concall
>> >
>> >
>> >@Rob - this really needs to go in the wiki but I'm not really proficient at
>> >wiki editing
>> >
>> >Regards
>> >Brian
>>
>> Hi Brian,
>>
>> Sorry for the delay. This is done now [1]. By the way the wiki is now a
>> lot easier to edit as it has a new "WYSIWYG" type editor :-)
>>
>> My comments on the draft are:
>>
>>- To avoid confusion with OS OpenData we should change "OpenData" to
>>either "open data" or, my preference, the more general "information".
>>- As we cover UK and Islands then we shouldn't use just UK in the
>>objectives. Suggest replacing "the UK" with "the Region" and defining this
>>somewhere in our articles of association.
>>
>> We should push to adopt this at the next meeting. Do we have a date for
>> that yet?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> *Rob*
>> [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UK_Group
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Re: [Talk-GB] Redraft of objectives for OSMUK

[Rob Nickerson]

>Hi everyone
>
>3rd draft following this week's concall
>
>
>@Rob - this really needs to go in the wiki but I'm not really proficient at
>wiki editing
>
>Regards
>Brian

Hi Brian,

Sorry for the delay. This is done now [1]. By the way the wiki is now a lot
easier to edit as it has a new "WYSIWYG" type editor :-)

My comments on the draft are:

   - To avoid confusion with OS OpenData we should change "OpenData" to
   either "open data" or, my preference, the more general "information".
   - As we cover UK and Islands then we shouldn't use just UK in the
   objectives. Suggest replacing "the UK" with "the Region" and defining this
   somewhere in our articles of association.

We should push to adopt this at the next meeting. Do we have a date for
that yet?

Cheers,
*Rob*
[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UK_Group
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Re: [Talk-GB] Schools project update 4

[Rob Nickerson]

Knew I'd forget some!

7. Eight postcodes are 100% complete
Several more are as complete as can be due to shared sites etc making
"100%" on the tracker difficult.
http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/schools/progress/

8. Robert W's tool has had some updates
See
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2016-February/018434.html

On Sun, 14 Feb 2016 at 23:21 Rob Nickerson <rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> A few updates on the school mapping project (sorry if I missed any, I've
> been away from it a little so may have missed a few things):
>
> 1. Trial of Loomio
> In the loomio trial we have decided to attempt a press release. Gregory
> has got a great draft up already for review [A] and you can join the
> discussion at loomio at [2B]
>
> [A] https://hackpad.com/OSM-UK-Schools-Project-bcgTXlEJ0K3
> [B] https://www.loomio.org/invitations/1f686576bce85c49f956
>
> 2. Mapping guide
> One way to introduce new people to OpenStreetMap is via the school
> project. There is now a picture based mapping guide. More guides are always
> welcome :-)
>
> http://www.mappa-mercia.org/2016/02/how-to-map-a-school-in-openstreetmap.html
>
> 3. More clean-up of duplicated data
> Total number of amenity=school features has stalled a little at the
> moment. Still lots of mapping activity so this is a sign of another round
> of clean-up of duplicated ways.
>
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1G9KXfp4Ho3fVROO9MxotcYTydl9CEXB_fi5ko2pM5Kc/edit#gid=1336142515
>
> 4. Plenty still mapping though :-)
> This must just be a clean-up exercise as we still have plenty of people
> mapping (often 20+ per day doing 150+ edits per day).
>
> 5. We hit 3000 new amenity=school features
> Harry's tracker shows whether an edit to a school was a "creation" or a
> "modification". We just hit 3000 creations !!
>
> 6. Inclusion of official reference
> The total number of objects with edubase or seedcode references has topped
> 4000! Amazing demonstration of providing links to other databases. Would be
> cool to see some tool that makes use of this :)
>
> Happy mapping,
> Rob
>
>
> <https://www.loomio.org/invitations/1f686576bce85c49f956>
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[Talk-GB] Schools project update 4

[Rob Nickerson]

Hi,

A few updates on the school mapping project (sorry if I missed any, I've
been away from it a little so may have missed a few things):

1. Trial of Loomio
In the loomio trial we have decided to attempt a press release. Gregory has
got a great draft up already for review [A] and you can join the discussion
at loomio at [2B]

[A] https://hackpad.com/OSM-UK-Schools-Project-bcgTXlEJ0K3
[B] https://www.loomio.org/invitations/1f686576bce85c49f956

2. Mapping guide
One way to introduce new people to OpenStreetMap is via the school project.
There is now a picture based mapping guide. More guides are always welcome
:-)
http://www.mappa-mercia.org/2016/02/how-to-map-a-school-in-openstreetmap.html

3. More clean-up of duplicated data
Total number of amenity=school features has stalled a little at the moment.
Still lots of mapping activity so this is a sign of another round of
clean-up of duplicated ways.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1G9KXfp4Ho3fVROO9MxotcYTydl9CEXB_fi5ko2pM5Kc/edit#gid=1336142515

4. Plenty still mapping though :-)
This must just be a clean-up exercise as we still have plenty of people
mapping (often 20+ per day doing 150+ edits per day).

5. We hit 3000 new amenity=school features
Harry's tracker shows whether an edit to a school was a "creation" or a
"modification". We just hit 3000 creations !!

6. Inclusion of official reference
The total number of objects with edubase or seedcode references has topped
4000! Amazing demonstration of providing links to other databases. Would be
cool to see some tool that makes use of this :)

Happy mapping,
Rob



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[Talk-GB] Schools project, testing Loomio, and the UK OSM group.

[Rob Nickerson]

Hi all,

I don't like asking people to sign up to yet another online service but I
think this *could* be really good.

TL;DR Please sign up to the following group to discuss how we can continue
to support the quarterly project:
https://www.loomio.org/invitations/1f686576bce85c49f956

=Full details=
I have set up a group on Loomio to focus on the quarterly project to map
schools. Loomio is a collaboration tool that puts a focus on making
decisions. In late 2015 I spent a considerable amount of time researching
collaboration and communication tools. This followed on from the results of
the UK OSM group survey [1] which showed that 45% of people wanted decision
making to be at the membership level for *all* decisions.

The question was "How do we deliver the ability for members to drive
decision making?" The basic option is to stick with talk-gb - this has got
us to where we are now but should we be looking elsewhere in order to
better connect with potential mappers/users?

My research [2] found that Loomio is up there with the best of the
alternate tools. It is open source and can be deployed on our own servers
(for now we use their hosting).

I would like to trial Loomio with the current quarterly project - schools.
I'm aware some people won't like the idea of moving away from talk-gb but
if you could give it a go that would be appreciated. The Loomio group is
public and you can set up your email alerts as you desire (similar to
talk-gb).

Link to the group:

https://www.loomio.org/invitations/1f686576bce85c49f956

Best,
*Rob*
[1]
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1A8rKyKUW0X01n-JEMLwEUT4ktX-7WrxNP03YTkZs6lU/edit#
[2]
https://docs.google.com/document/d/11Z9vCilV96Tah5ruGFTIaSGxojEC9pvHo48Sc4vw5_Y/edit?usp=sharing
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[Talk-GB] School mapping - Who's involved

[Rob Nickerson]

All,

We've a few of way's of counting how many people are involved with the
quarterly project to map schools. As such I have updated the wiki to focus
on comments rather than the raw numbers (e.g. which areas are you mapping,
how else are you helping). Feel free to update.

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UK_Quarterly_Projects#Who.27s_involved.3F

Latest data from the #OSMschools tag is here:
http://www.mappa-mercia.org/2016/02/whos-involved-edits-to-openstreetmap.html

Harry's tracker is great as it counts edits to amenity=school features:
http://harrywood.dev.openstreetmap.org/diffreader/schools/index.php?filter=uk

By features we've mapped nearly 1250 schools as ways, removed nearly 1000
schools mapped as nodes (either converted to a way or removed duplication).
Overall that is 250 "new" schools mapped. This is a minimum as I don't know
how many of the 1000 nodes removed were duplicates.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1G9KXfp4Ho3fVROO9MxotcYTydl9CEXB_fi5ko2pM5Kc/edit#gid=1336142515

Happy mapping
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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] February meeting on Wednesday

[Rob Nickerson]

Hi all,

Don't forget that we have our regular monthly meeting this Wednesday! Hope
to see you there:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mappa_Mercia#Next_meeting

Best,
*Rob*
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Re: [Talk-GB] Schools project - update 3

[Rob Nickerson]

>>* 1. Open Data Manchester
*>>* Following a tweet Open Data Manchester have asked whether anyone can
*>*> go and show them how to map. Looks like their next meeting is Monday
*>*> February 1st, 6.30 – 8.30pm. Any volunteers?
*>*>
*>Have you any more information on this? I can get into Piccadilly at
>18:15, and last train home is 22:36. So would be interested as long as
>its not too far from the station.
>
>Thanks
>Phil (trigpoint)


Thanks Phil,

Looks like it is a 20 minute walk west from Piccadilly [1]. I've messaged
to check that there is time during the meeting to cover OpenStreetMap.
Would be looking for a basic intro to editing (perhaps with iD as that
seems to be the starter editor of choice now) and pointing in the direction
of the UK Quarterly project [2]. Would be good to demo how to find a school
that needs mapping (using the tools we have), then how to add a simple
amenity=school area to OSM.

I shall let you know when I know more.

Best,
*Rob*
[1]
http://opendatamanchester.org.uk/2016/01/13/open-infrastructure-night-open-data-and-open-iot/
[2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UK_Quarterly_Projects
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[Talk-GB] Schools project - update 3

[Rob Nickerson]

A third update on the quarterly project.

0. The what project?
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UK_Quarterly_Projects

1. Open Data Manchester
Following a tweet Open Data Manchester have asked whether anyone can go and
show them how to map. Looks like their next meeting is Monday February 1st,
6.30 – 8.30pm. Any volunteers?

2. Edits continue at pace.
For those adding #OSMSchools to their changeset comments (sorry no way to
go back and add it if you forget) we reached a high of 258 changesets on
18th Jan. The map is starting to look well covered (although some gaps
missingso please continue to use this in your changesets). See
http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-changesets?comment=OSMschool#6/53.495/-3.549

3. 175 people have done 5351 edits
Amazing numbers measured by Harry's tracker. Looks like Uganda has joined
the project too. It would be great if someone could turn the CSV linked
data at the bottom of the tracker into a daily chart. See
http://harrywood.dev.openstreetmap.org/diffreader/schools/

4. HS and ZE are 100% complete!
Wow! The HS (Outer Hebrides) and ZE (Lerwick) postcodes are complete.
Thanks go to OpenStreetMapper seumas. Many other postcodes (with more
schools within them ;-) ) are close to this now too
http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/schools/progress/

5. Nodes converted to ways
Following lot's of data clean up we are nearing 80% of schools mapped as
land areas rather than simple points. We should hit this in the next couple
of days.

6. Northern Ireland still needs some work
If you map in Northern Ireland and want to get involved please do. Each
extra school mapped there will help lift it off the bottom of the tracker.
We can also look at doing some initiatives in NI if the local community
want this. Let us know :-)

7. Blogs and video
Please keep up the blogging and tweeting. It would be great if we could
attract some new mappers (a how to map schools video would be great if you
have time to do this). If you don't run a blog then I can let you post to
http://mappa-mercia.org

Happy mapping
*Rob*
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Re: [Talk-GB] Schools project - update 3

[Rob Nickerson]

Am aware of this Lester. It makes the blog post a lot harder though. Feel
free to write something up and send it through :-)

BTW: The amenity=college page on the wiki [1] is lacking a lot. Could do
with some extra details (rather than simply linking to wikipedia) and it's
context needs expanding beyond just the UK. Any takers?

*Rob*
[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dcollege
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Re: [Talk-GB] Next UK chapter concall

[Rob Nickerson]

Brian wrote:
>On legal structures, please read Rob's excellent summary before the
>concall. I've read it and my conclusion so far, and I'm still not clear on
>some things, is that we shouldn't go for unincorporated society (unlimited
>liablity for officers) or charity (we don't have a charitable purpose and
>the legal strictures are a bit more complex than we'd want). From the rest
>I think company limited by guarantee (that's what OSMF chose) suits us
>best. Not sure yet whether CIO or CIC, given that we'd be non-profit, are
>worth considering.

Thanks Brian. I found time to look again at CIC's today and have updated
the document and wiki [1]. They are limited companies with extra features.
The extra features mean more paperwork (although apparently not too much
more) but send a clear message that we are for community benefit not
personal gain.

A CIO is essentially a "Charity-light" in that it only needs to register
with the Charity Commission and not Companies House as well (as a
Charitable Company does). I'm not sure how much annual overhead and
legalise this removes. We still would need to meet the Public Benefit Test
(and presumably obey Charity Law).

Will discuss on the concall.

*Rob*
[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UK_Group#Structures
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[Talk-GB] Schools project - update 2

[Rob Nickerson]

Another update on the quarterly project.

0. The what project?
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UK_Quarterly_Projects

1. GL postcode gains the lead
I've updated the progress table in the above link. GL postcode has surged
from 12th place to 1st! Well done :-)

2. Matching algorithm updated
It looks like Robert W updated the matching algorithm shortly afterwards as
all percentages have seen an increase. London WC is now showing as 100%
complete but the detailed page gives another story. Don't forget to use the
ref:edubase (and similar) tags as Robert's tool makes use of these.

3. We inspired OSM-BE!!
Great news: The OpenStreetMap Belgium group has set up the same quarterly
project in their country.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/BE_Quarterly_Projects

4. The edits continue at pace :-)
Today saw our highest number of changesets with the #OSMschools tag and,
after an initial clear out of bad/duplicated data, the total number of
schools is on the rise. We are also still converting nodes to ways so
that's great too :-D

5. Department for Education tweeted us!
I'm hoping to get them involved :-)
https://twitter.com/educationgovuk/status/685393485667680256

Thanks all,
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[Talk-GB] Schools project - update

[Rob Nickerson]

Hi all,

> Cross post to talk-ie (we are working on a quarterly project to map
schools - feel free to join (see item 3 below).

A few updates for the schools mapping project. As always there is also the
page on the wiki for quick reference (
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UK_Quarterly_Projects ).

0. Changeset comments
Don't forget to add #OSMschools to your changeset comments. I will ask
Pascal Neis for an updated "Who's contributing" dataset next week.


1. Calling all video tutorial experts
I've put out a call on Mappa Mercia's twitter (and now here) asking for
someone to create a very short "How to map schools in iD" video. I think
this will help with engaging new communities so if you feel up to the task
give me a shout :-)


2. Robert's data by postcode.
Robert W has updated his comparison site to enable you to download the
schools by postcode data as a geojson. Example download URL is:
http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/schools/progress/B/data.js

Once downloaded, open the file, delete the first line ("var matched = ")
and save.


3. Northern Ireland data
I have downloaded a snapshot of Northern Ireland "schools plus" data from
2016-01-12 and asked Robert to add it to his comparison tool.

Source: https://www.deni.gov.uk/services/schools-plus (go to the schools
plus site, click the "All institutions" button followed by the export link
on the left). It includes items in "schools" and "non-schools" grouping as
set out at http://apps.deni.gov.uk/appinstitutes/InstViewInstType.aspx If
you want a copy of my pre-processed data then let me know.


4. Isle of Man data
This is online if anyone wants it. Given it is a smaller community I would
prefer to encourage them to add it to the map. The video tutorial will help
here :-) Data at:
https://www.gov.im/categories/education-training-and-careers/schools-and-colleges/


5. ITO World map of schools
This map is mainly useful for OpenStreetMap contributors who want to ensure
that they collect names for all schools in an area. View it at
http://product.itoworld.com/map/6

Happy mapping
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Re: [Talk-GB] NLS OS 6in E in Potlatch & iD

[Rob Nickerson]

All,

Further to my email below I have spoken to the Chris at NLS about the OS
6in historic map. His response is copied below:

-- Start quote --
Unfortunately we ran out of space on our main map tile servers before
Christmas and this was one of the casualties. However, surprising as it may
sound, given the commercial encouragement to use the API, it was genuinely
an accident as I'd forgotten about the OSM use of this URL. Since the
summer we have changed to use the Tileserver URL and updated the tileset
there and so we were no longer using it.

I'll do what I can to get this re-created, although it will be a large job,
and not anytime immediate. I'm really sorry this is not a great answer, but
its not gone for good, I do promise.
-- End quote --

The commercial use Chris refers to is the subscription API and relates to
the Tileserver URL. The NLS currently has a problem in sustaining free
services, and the Subscription API is an attempt to try to cover costs for
more intensive users of particular layers. The NLS don’t want to  encourage
OSMers to use the layer like this so I will not be updating the wiki with
this URL.

Sorry this is not the news you were after. We will just have to wait until
they can get it re-created. The positive take-away is how popular the NLS
digitisation process/outputs are! :-)

*Rob*

On 31 December 2015 at 12:36, Rob Nickerson <rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> All,
>
> The url's on the OSM wiki page for NLS should all work but are only for
> use in OpenStreetMap/OpenHistoricalMap. The NLS have a lot of companies
> free-riding on their tile server and have now got the the point where there
> need to implement a subscription API in order to support the costs. For
> OSM/OHM we can use anything on the wiki. For others there is the free API
> and the subscription API.
>
> Please try to only keep the urls in one place (the wiki) so that this
> messaging is always clear to anyone who comes across the urls.
>
> The wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/National_Library_of_Scotland
>
> If any of the urls are not correct give me a shout an I will update the
> wiki and raise a pull request for potlatch/id imagery layers. The latest
> pull request was merge 11 November:
> https://github.com/osmlab/editor-imagery-index/pull/109
>
> Best,
> *Rob*
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Schools project - update

[Rob Nickerson]

Hi,

Robert W's comparison tool now includes schools in Northern Ireland. Looks
like it could do with some work as current progress is at 18.8%.

Comparison tool: http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/schools/progress/
More info: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UK_Quarterly_Projects
Tag for including official reference numbers: ref:deniirn=* (note the
double i - stands for Department for Education Northern Ireland -
Institution Ref Number).

Best,
Rob

On 12 January 2016 at 22:01, Rob Nickerson <rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> > Cross post to talk-ie (we are working on a quarterly project to map
> schools - feel free to join (see item 3 below).
>
> A few updates for the schools mapping project. As always there is also the
> page on the wiki for quick reference (
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UK_Quarterly_Projects ).
> 
>

> 3. Northern Ireland data
> I have downloaded a snapshot of Northern Ireland "schools plus" data from
> 2016-01-12 and asked Robert to add it to his comparison tool.
>
> Source: https://www.deni.gov.uk/services/schools-plus (go to the schools
> plus site, click the "All institutions" button followed by the export link
> on the left). It includes items in "schools" and "non-schools" grouping as
> set out at http://apps.deni.gov.uk/appinstitutes/InstViewInstType.aspx If
> you want a copy of my pre-processed data then let me know.
>
> Happy mapping
> *Rob*
>
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[Talk-GB] UKOSM - technical aspects

[Rob Nickerson]

Hi all,

Good to see lots of enthusiasm for this but to address Lester's point, no
decisions have yet been made.

Please feel free to think about the website and technical side as we will
need this thinking when we get to that stage, but to clarify we have 3
topics currently "active":

* Aims
* Corporate structures
* Article of association (awaiting Jerry)

The next telephone conference call is 27th in which we hope to agree the
first and hopefully the second.

It's also worth reflecting on the fact that this group is unlikely to tick
all your personal preferences. There will be much need to compromise and
find a middle ground that helps achieve the aims of the team first before
and personal aims.

Best,
Rob
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[Talk-GB] Schools - KY postcode "leads"

[Rob Nickerson]

Well done to those contributors in the KY postal region of Scotland:

http://www.mappa-mercia.org/2016/01/kirkcaldy-postcode-leads-the-way.html

Happy mapping,
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[Talk-GB] Unusual surface

[Rob Nickerson]

Hi all,

Any idea how to tag the following surface:

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B6J5ZA1hu93bM2Q1V29WcGNJZVk=sharing

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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Oneway

[Rob Nickerson]

Got tweeted by BCC today.

Anyone able to look into a comment this triggered:

@mappamercia @BhamCityCouncil @BCCNewsRoom could you correct the direction
of traffic on Charlotte Street too please? (I dont know how)

https://t.co/gG4WdaO8WU

Rob
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Re: [Talk-GB] 2016 first quarterly project:Schools

[Rob Nickerson]

Not my tool - I just have a version of it running. Adam has provided me an
updated version that I need to look at this weekend. I can see if I can add
such a percentage tracker at the same time. For now you'll just have to
keep looking at the taginfo page:

http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org.uk/tags/amenity=school#combinations

*Rob*

On 7 January 2016 at 20:48, Brian Prangle  wrote:

>
> Also I'm finding that frequently I'm adding  names to pre-existing school
> polygons. Could Rob's progress tool also count schools with names?
>
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] UKOSM or OSMUK or OSMGB proposed aims

[Rob Nickerson]

Thanks Dudley,

I loose track of the definitions you sometimes get in business, and to
confirm we are looking for "aims" here. The objectives would be the
"projects" I mentioned in a previous email.

The bit on "use" probably does need expanding as Robert W also mentioned
it. If anyone has any further ideas please let us know :-)

Regards,
*Rob*



On 4 January 2016 at 20:01, Dudley Ibbett  wrote:

> Hi Rob
>
>
>
> It seems that if we are thinking about charitable organisation we need to
> be careful about whether we are talking about “aims” or “objectives”.  Quoting
> :
> http://www.ces-vol.org.uk/about-performance-improvement/about-monitoring-evaluation/planning-for-monitoring-evaluation/aims.html
> “Aims are the changes you are trying to achieve.” and “Objectives are the
> methods or activities by which you achieve your aims”.
>
>
>
> My initial thought for an objective was:  “To facilitate and encourage
> the development and use of Openstreetmap in the UK”.  Although this looks
> like more of an “aim” according to the above.
>
>
>
> I do think including “use” is important.  There are clearly large data
> users but this also works down at an individual level.  I started by
> using an OSM map on my Garmin for example before I then became involved in
> improving the map.  So encouraging use could well lead to more
> development.  I also think that using the map helps feedback into
> improving the overall quality of development.
>
>
>
> Personally I’m not sure about “increase the number of data contributors”
> as a primary objective.  I know of a chair for one organisation that
> decided that this was very important and ended up undermining the aim of
> the organisation.  I also not that keen on “keep their motivation”.   It
> strikes me as quite a difficult objective to achieve and assess the
> organisations success against, given how many individual motivations seem
> to exist in the OSM community.
>
>
>
> Perhaps we need to restructure this with aims and objectives to achieve
> these.  If we want to keep the option of a charitable organisation open
> then presumably the aims will also need to be “charitable”.
>
>
>
> Kind Regards
>
>
>
> Dudley
>
>
> --
> Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 23:12:25 +
> From: rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com
> To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org; rj...@cantab.net
> Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] UKOSM or OSMUK or OSMGB proposed aims
>
>
> On 3 January 2016 at 16:45, Brian Prangle  wrote:
> >> Proposed aims for UKOSM:
> >>
> >> The aims of (eventual name) are:
> >>
> >> To increase the number of data contributors;develop their skills and
> keep
> >> their motivation so that new contributors become active mappers to
> improve
> >> and maintain OpenStreetMap data in the UK.
> >>
> >> To provide a national point of contact for UK organisations wishing to
> use
> >> OSM data or contribute data to OSM.
> >>
> >> To engage in  activities and provide  services that are consistent with
> >> achieving these aims.
>
>
>
> Robert W wrote:
> >I think those are all good. From a personal point of view (and to
> >allow more flexibility if we want to) I'd also like to see:
> >
> >* Something more explicit to allow the group to create / support /
> >encourage the use of tools to improve OpenStreetMap data in the UK.
> >(The first point above could be read as just focusing on the mappers,
> >rather than the wider aim of improving the data by any other means.)
> >
> >
>
> Hi Robert,
>
> I think your first point is already covered in Brian's first. As a general
> note (as I was getting confused whilst discussing this at the mapping event
> last week) the aim here is to get a high level set of aims. To test them
> you should ask yourself "does my project idea fit within the aims". In this
> case I think tools to improve data ("the project") would be one solution to
> the "keep them motivated [...] to improve [...] OpenStreetMap data" in
> Brian's first point. To use the earlier phrase Get, Train, Retain (or
> Obtain, Train, Retain if you prefer :-) ) then this would be part of the
> Retain strategy. Shout out if you disagree and I may be incorrectly
> interpreting.
>
> Your other point on data users is a good one. I'll let others weigh in
> with their views but I was also thinking that "facilitate the [...}
> contribution of data [...] to OSM" is needed. This is the "promote the
> release of OpenData" but put in a way that also covers other data sets. I
> like your wording here.
>
> Best,
> *Rob*
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Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly project: Map of changesets

[Rob Nickerson]

Hi Stuart,

Yeah #OSMschools works well (if the hashtag is missed then it will still
appear in my search so no need to worry). At the moment we have a few ways
to track progress - for more info see
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UK_Quarterly_Projects#Progress_trackers

Best,
*Rob*

On 4 January 2016 at 22:37, Stuart Reynolds <
stu...@travelinesoutheast.org.uk> wrote:

> That’s what I like to see - 3 different changeset notations! FWIW, since I
> have just this moment uploaded some changes, I used #OSMschools as that
> seemed to offer both the hashtag and also the designation of the “schools”
> project.
>
> However, how do we to track this progress? 
> Cheers
> Stuart
>
> 
> Stuart Reynolds
> for traveline south east & anglia
>
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly project - Progress tracker

[Rob Nickerson]

>On 04/01/16 10:11, Lester wrote:

>On 03/01/16 22:14, Rob Nickerson wrote:
>> This makes use of the TagInfo to Google Sheets script that Adam Hoyle
>> kindly wrote for the last project :-)
>
>Do we really have to resort to pushing traffic to google which then gets
>linked to other google services?
>
>I don't find wikidata any more practical for this sort of material, but
>it does at least seem a little more sensible for producing an index of
>data items and knowing just how bad some of the official lists are at
>providing a clean and electronically usable list of that data, this
>could be a good data set to produce a set of standards which can then be
>applied to other data sets. A cover page on wikidata with the current
>totals, and linking through to an index of individual schools.

Hi Lester,

I'm sure that wikidata would love to be able to put the EduBase data in to
their system. A cover page would then show progress of how much data has
been populated in to wikidata. It wouldn't show how much data is in OSM
(unless everyone also put the OSM id in wikidata).

If you were thinking we could make the taginfo script to write to wikidata
instead then I don't think they accept data like that. As a reminder here
is the file (sheet 2). As expected progress appears to be negative so far
but this is because we are cleaning existing bad data up :-)

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1G9KXfp4Ho3fVROO9MxotcYTydl9CEXB_fi5ko2pM5Kc/edit#gid=1336142515

Best,
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[Talk-GB] Quarterly project: Map of changesets

[Rob Nickerson]

Hi all,

Can you please add "OSMschools" to your changesets so that we can track
them. For now you can see any changest with "school" in the comment at the
following site but this isn't restricted to our UK project - hence the
request to use "OSMschools".

http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-changesets?comment=school#5/54.965/-1.780

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Re: [Talk-GB] 2016 first quarterly project:Schools

[Rob Nickerson]

Hi all,

Some great ideas and tools already shared and only January 3rd!

This made me think I should set up a wiki page but I have been beaten to
it. I've expanded on the page to add links to all the resources being
discussed here. Page at:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UK_Quarterly_Projects

*Rob*

p.s. Big thank you to our wiki system admins who have now added the
VisualEditor to the wiki. This makes it much easier to edit the wiki so no
excuses for not keeping the pages up to date :-)
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Re: [Talk-GB] UKOSM or OSMUK or OSMGB proposed aims

[Rob Nickerson]

On 3 January 2016 at 16:45, Brian Prangle  wrote:
>> Proposed aims for UKOSM:
>>
>> The aims of (eventual name) are:
>>
>> To increase the number of data contributors;develop their skills and keep
>> their motivation so that new contributors become active mappers to
improve
>> and maintain OpenStreetMap data in the UK.
>>
>> To provide a national point of contact for UK organisations wishing to
use
>> OSM data or contribute data to OSM.
>>
>> To engage in  activities and provide  services that are consistent with
>> achieving these aims.

Robert W wrote:
>I think those are all good. From a personal point of view (and to
>allow more flexibility if we want to) I'd also like to see:
>
>* Something more explicit to allow the group to create / support /
>encourage the use of tools to improve OpenStreetMap data in the UK.
>(The first point above could be read as just focusing on the mappers,
>rather than the wider aim of improving the data by any other means.)
>
>

Hi Robert,

I think your first point is already covered in Brian's first. As a general
note (as I was getting confused whilst discussing this at the mapping event
last week) the aim here is to get a high level set of aims. To test them
you should ask yourself "does my project idea fit within the aims". In this
case I think tools to improve data ("the project") would be one solution to
the "keep them motivated [...] to improve [...] OpenStreetMap data" in
Brian's first point. To use the earlier phrase Get, Train, Retain (or
Obtain, Train, Retain if you prefer :-) ) then this would be part of the
Retain strategy. Shout out if you disagree and I may be incorrectly
interpreting.

Your other point on data users is a good one. I'll let others weigh in with
their views but I was also thinking that "facilitate the [...} contribution
of data [...] to OSM" is needed. This is the "promote the release of
OpenData" but put in a way that also covers other data sets. I like your
wording here.

Best,
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Re: [Talk-GB] 2016 first quarterly project:Schools

[Rob Nickerson]

>I've imported a current GB extract with osm2pgsql I find:
>
>
>
>Bye
>Frederik
>

Good analysis there Frederik. Are you able to share the outputs so that
others can use it to help the mapping efforts? A slippy map or maproulette
task would be good but maybe just the raw data to get us started if your
busy.

Cheers,
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Re: [Talk-GB] 2016 first quarterly project:Schools

[Rob Nickerson]

Hi,

There is also a mapzen map that helps identify schools marked only by a
node. The map is a bit clunky so someone may be able to come up with
something better using umap. As Brian noted, we have over 6000 schools
tagged just with a node.
https://mapzen.com/blog/targeted-editing-school-polygons

^ The above link also provides a nice graphic reminding us how to map
schools in detail (the area is the full school grounds).

The gov.uk data for England looks great. A couple of observations from me:

* It includes closed schools in a separate worksheet! It would be great if
someone could compare this to OSM data to see if we have any inaccurate
data.
* The data is very rich - do we want to start tagging establishment type,
sixth form, etc? And if so, how?

Regards,
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Re: [Talk-GB] 2016 first quarterly project:Schools

[Rob Nickerson]

Surely that is where the benefit of a community really helps. With
government data keeping up to date then we should be able to track the
changes quite easily, georeference the address in order to calculate the
rough location and then ask our local mappers to help with on the ground
surveys. A nice simple QA tool would be of huge benefit if anyone is up for
the challenge :-)

The surveys will require a large number of engaged mappers spread over the
country. If we struggle then it reinforces the ambition of the new
OpenStreetMap UK group. The quote about "a mapper in every town" springs to
mind again!

*Rob*

>Hi,
>
>At a time of great policy change like this, it would be hard to get every
single school in the UK mapped, but I could try for my local area.
>
>Usually, new schools open in September and old ones close in July, which
might help.
>
>Antje
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] NLS OS 6in E in Potlatch & iD

[Rob Nickerson]

All,

The url's on the OSM wiki page for NLS should all work but are only for use
in OpenStreetMap/OpenHistoricalMap. The NLS have a lot of companies
free-riding on their tile server and have now got the the point where there
need to implement a subscription API in order to support the costs. For
OSM/OHM we can use anything on the wiki. For others there is the free API
and the subscription API.

Please try to only keep the urls in one place (the wiki) so that this
messaging is always clear to anyone who comes across the urls.

The wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/National_Library_of_Scotland

If any of the urls are not correct give me a shout an I will update the
wiki and raise a pull request for potlatch/id imagery layers. The latest
pull request was merge 11 November:
https://github.com/osmlab/editor-imagery-index/pull/109

Best,
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Re: [Talk-GB] OSM UK group - Sign up to mail lists

[Rob Nickerson]

Hi Tim,

Mailing list in the sense of talk-gb is not right here. I simply meant I
need an updated list of email addresses of people who still want to be
involved.

Currently I am using the emails provided in the survey from several months
ago (68 out of 101 respondents), tweeting and using OSM diary entries to
try to reach everyone. This is time consuming/spammy so I asked for an
updated list.

We want to get an initial working group set up and starting to share ideas.
I'm not sure where the best place to do this is. We could swamp talk-gb
with all the emails or I create a list (like t...@stateofthemap.org) and we
discuss on email amongst the interested parties. Alternatively we use a
site like loomio/slack/hipchat/github to set up a discussion space. As I
only have experience with managing small groups (<10) I welcome people's
thoughts on this.

It was barely discussed during the conference call, hence very little info
in the minutes.

Best,
*Rob*

On 21 December 2015 at 22:06, Tim Waters  wrote:

> Hi Rob,
>
> 
>
The minutes do not state that people agreed to set up non OSM mailing lists
> as a replacement to the current system. I couldn’t find any discussion
> about emails or mailing lists. All I could find was one action point:
>
> "Rob: We should get e-mails. I’ll put a form on the talk-GB list."
>
> Could you tell us who didn't attend the meeting and may be missing out on
> some background, what is this form for?
>
> 
>
> Best regards,
>
> Tim
>
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[Talk-GB] OSM UK group - Sign up to mail lists

[Rob Nickerson]

Hi all,

Great first meeting today. For those unable to attend the minutes are
attached below.

As noted I would like to set up mailing lists as a replacement to the
current system (mailing those who submitted an email address in the
original survey). Please sign up via the following form. Page 2 (diversity)
is entirely optional and I will only share annonymised results with the
officers elect.

Email sign up form:
http://goo.gl/forms/MCTbybdzQI

Minutes:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/18kAZs4yNWT1k6ehROXAqrSaG969OGBwGV3KZ2j2oXDw/edit?usp=sharing

Best wishes,
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[Talk-GB] Agenda and Joining details for Today's OpenStreetMap UK/GB telephone meeting

[Rob Nickerson]

Hi all,

As noted in previous emails to this list, please find the dial in number
for the first UK/GB OpenStreetMap group meeting below.

Brian Prangle has kindly volunteered to help facilitate the first meeting
following on from his Chairmanship of the State of the Map 2013
(Birmingham) group. The following brief agenda has will be followed in the
interest of wanting to deal with bite-sized chunks and to get things
moving, not in wanting to curtail discussion.

*Suggested agenda:*

   - Welcome & Introduction
   - Aims & Objectives
   - Name or project code
   - Volunteers for pre-inauguration working group
   - Volunteers for "officers-elect" and eventually as officers (subject to
   election): Chair, Secretary(to include membership admin unless a separate
   role),Treasurer.

Suggested duration 1 hour, but not set in stone.

*Joining details:*
*->Today, Thursday 17th December at 8pm*
This is a telephone conference with the facilities kindly provided by
Wikimedia UK. There are two UK numbers to select from. Shaun informs me
that the the 0800 number should now be free from both landlines and mobiles
but just in case I also include the 03 number. The 03 number costs no more
than a national rate call to a traditional 01 or 02 number and if you have
inclusive minutes as part of your phone/mobile contract then you can use
these on the 03 number.

Numbers and passcode at
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2015-December/018108.html

*Survey results:*
As a reminder the results of the survey we did earlier this year can be
found at:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1A8rKyKUW0X01n-JEMLwEUT4ktX-7WrxNP03YTkZs6lU/edit

Hope to hear from many of you today (Thursday) at 8pm.

Regards,
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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Last week on OSM

[Rob Nickerson]

Hi,

Was good to see so many at last weeks Mappa Mercia meeting in Birmingham.
Just sharing this here as it was one of the things we discussed.

https://tyrasd.github.io/latest-changes/

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[Talk-GB] First UK/GB OpenStreetMap group meeting - 17th December at 8pm

[Rob Nickerson]

Hi all,

Early this year I published a survey asking about “a UK/GB OpenStreetMap
group”. 101 people filled it in and many contacted me to say they liked the
idea. Encouraged by the this and my local Mappa Mercia group, we feel the
time is right to start the group. To get us going Wikimedia UK have kindly
offered us their teleconference facility for our first meeting – 8pm on
17th December. I've used teleconferencing facilities in the past for State
of the Map 2013 and find that they work well (no text/chat facility ensures
that there is only one conversation going on - the one being heard by
everyone).

Survey results:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1A8rKyKUW0X01n-JEMLwEUT4ktX-7WrxNP03YTkZs6lU/edit#

To get us going we will need a few people to commit time over the next 6
months. The roles we need are set out below and we will need to initially
fill them and then, once we have a constitution in place, we will need
volunteers to stand for election. These roles will be needed irrespective
of whether decision making lies with the membership or an elected board.

   - Chair – to provide leadership and ensures the group functions properly
   - Treasurer – to organise the finances of the group. Initially this will
   mean setting up our bank account.
   - Secretary/Membership secretary – to keep the register of members up to
   date (indeed to set on up in the first place), to ensure that voting
   procedures are carried out in accordance to our agreed policy. There is
   potential for this to be two separate roles.

We will also need an initial working group to provide ideas and discussion.
This group can also support the aforementioned roles in small discrete
tasks.

Please let me know if you can help with setting up the group and/or whether
you would be willing to stand for election once the constitution is
established. I will share the telephone number and login PIN closer to the
date.

Best,


*Rob*p.s. Busy on 17th December? No worries. Send me you comments and I
will make sure they are shared.
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Re: [Talk-GB] traffic calming

[Rob Nickerson]

Hi,

In regards to the traffic calming edit there has only been one comment
related to the merits of the actual change - that was me and I approved the
edit (Chris I don't think you commented on the edit itself, instead
focusing on the matter of mechanical edits?).

Does this mean we can now look for someone to un-revert this changeset?

Rob
On 22 Nov 2015 20:29, "Rob Nickerson" <rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 22 November 2015 at 19:33, Chris Hill <o...@raggedred.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Gerd did the work you describe but went ahead with an almost nation-wide
>> mechanical edit without any prior discussion or description. That's why I
>> asked him to revert it. Mechanical edits need to be discussed. He then
>> indicated that he would discuss the tags on tagging@ - indeed he
>> suggested leaving his edit and discussing it on tagging@. I wanted also
>> to make it clear that tagging@ is not the best place to discuss
>> mechanical edits - a lot of people avoid tagging@ to maintain the will
>> to live.
>>
>>
> I agree that mechanical edits *should* get discussed - I expect many don't
> due to the negativity of mailing lists and no clear indication of when
> something is accepted (the tagging mailing list went off topic instantly).
> However when faced with a non-discussed mechanical edit I feel that a
> pragmatic approach should be taken. In this instance I feel your response
> was heavy handed. "OK, a mech edit that has not been discussed and agreed
> will be reverted. That's the rules." is not particularly helpful or
> supportive.
>
> I also disagree with the instant revert in this case - perhaps a quick
> chat on IRC would have helped to see if others wanted an instant revert. It
> now looks like we have put Gerd off editing in the UK :-(
>
> And now I definitely have wasted enough time on this matter!
>
> Happy mapping,
> Rob
>
>
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] traffic calming

[Rob Nickerson]

>There has been a discussion on the tagging mailing list triggered by
>Gerd Petermann having made a mechanical edit to some traffic calming
>features.

Thanks Chris,

To summarise for those who don't want to get stuck in the tagging mailing
list, Gerd spotted that traffic calming (speed bumps, etc) was tagged in
different ways:

1. highway=traffic_calming
2. highway=traffic_calming + traffic_calming=*
3. traffic_calming=*

It looks like highway=traffic_calming (which was only used ~1000 times vs
traffic_calming=*'s ~200,000 times) has never been a suggested tag on the
wiki. As such Gerd made the following changes to the three cases above:

1. Replaced with traffic_calming=yes
2. Keep just traffic_calming=*
3. No change

The edit included a review of all nodes and extra detail was added on a
case by case basis if required (e.g. crossing details is it is also a
pedestrian crossing).

Quite frankly I don't really care. The tag was hardly used so if Gerd wants
to get rid of it completely and has time to do this then fine by me. On the
flip side the tag is not incorrect (just not documented or supported by
many people) so why waste time to remove it. Given that Gerd took the time
to manually review each one before changing it and made improvements in
some cases, I would have been quite happy to let this slide - we have
bigger issues to be discussing.

Question: Is the discussion of this more wasteful (time) and harmful
(negative impression of the community) than the original edit?

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Re: [Talk-GB] traffic calming

[Rob Nickerson]

On 22 November 2015 at 19:33, Chris Hill  wrote:

>
> Gerd did the work you describe but went ahead with an almost nation-wide
> mechanical edit without any prior discussion or description. That's why I
> asked him to revert it. Mechanical edits need to be discussed. He then
> indicated that he would discuss the tags on tagging@ - indeed he
> suggested leaving his edit and discussing it on tagging@. I wanted also
> to make it clear that tagging@ is not the best place to discuss
> mechanical edits - a lot of people avoid tagging@ to maintain the will to
> live.
>
>
I agree that mechanical edits *should* get discussed - I expect many don't
due to the negativity of mailing lists and no clear indication of when
something is accepted (the tagging mailing list went off topic instantly).
However when faced with a non-discussed mechanical edit I feel that a
pragmatic approach should be taken. In this instance I feel your response
was heavy handed. "OK, a mech edit that has not been discussed and agreed
will be reverted. That's the rules." is not particularly helpful or
supportive.

I also disagree with the instant revert in this case - perhaps a quick chat
on IRC would have helped to see if others wanted an instant revert. It now
looks like we have put Gerd off editing in the UK :-(

And now I definitely have wasted enough time on this matter!

Happy mapping,
Rob
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Lidar imagery

[Rob Nickerson]

I already added z19. Do you think a z20 is needed?

Rob

On 13 November 2015 at 19:38, Andy Robinson <ajrli...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Cheers Rob,
>
>
>
> Tracing from an overzoomed Z18 is possible, especially when you swap
> transparency with BING but I wonder if a z19 would make the job easier or
> not.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Andy
>
>
>
> *From:* Rob Nickerson [mailto:rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* 13 November 2015 19:26
> *To:* Brian Prangle; Andy Robinson
> *Cc:* talk-gb-westmidlands
> *Subject:* Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Lidar imagery
>
>
>
> As requested a cake (task map):
> http://mapcraft.nanodesu.ru/pie/538#35
>
> The original shape to make these are attached to this email (don't upload
> them to OSM by mistake - open in a new layer).
>
> Rob
>
>
>
> On 13 November 2015 at 07:41, Brian Prangle <bpran...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Are we going to bother with setting up task map to use the Lidar data or
> just let people get on with it?
>
>
>
> On 11 November 2015 at 20:48, Rob Nickerson <rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> The tiles to zoom 18 for Ironbridge LiDAR data are now online. I have
> subtracted the terrain layer from the surface layer (or is it the other way
> round) leaving just the buildings and other sticky-uppy things! If you
> think the full terrain layer would be useful too I can add this later.
>
> You can view the map online at
> http://www.mappa-mercia.org/fullscreen-maps/lidar/
>
> You can add the layer to JOSM:
> http://tiles.mappa-mercia.org/lidar/{z}/{x}/{-y}.png
>
>
>
> The data looks very good and it is even possible to see through the trees
> to the paths below.
>
>
>
> Thanks to Chris Hill (chillly) for writing simple enough instructions that
> I can understand.
>
> Happy mapping.
>
> Rob
>
> p.s. I've used the 25cm data so I am just looking in to adding zoom 19 as
> this should provide a bit more detail.
>
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[Talk-GB] EA LiDAR now as a WMS tile layer

[Rob Nickerson]

Hi all,

Typical just after getting some tiles up online, the EA 25cm LiDAR data is
now available as a WMS layer that can be added to JOSM using:

http://www.geostore.com/OGC/OGCInterface?SERVICE=WMS=UDATAGOV2011=datagov2011=ENVIRONMENT=2000

This layer used colour to distinguish height and also adds shadow (which is
frustrating). It is the Digital Surface Model (DSM) so includes all hills,
land and buildings. This differs from the layer I did for Ironbridge which
is DSM minus DTM leaving just the buildings and other sticky-uppy things.

Happy mapping.

Rob
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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] EA LiDAR now as a WMS tile layer

[Rob Nickerson]

Hi all,

Typical just after getting some tiles up online, the EA 25cm LiDAR data is
now available as a WMS layer that can be added to JOSM using:

http://www.geostore.com/OGC/OGCInterface?SERVICE=WMS=UDATAGOV2011=datagov2011=ENVIRONMENT=2000

This layer used colour to distinguish height and also adds shadow (which is
frustrating). It is the Digital Surface Model (DSM) so includes all hills,
land and buildings. This differs from the layer I did for Ironbridge which
is DSM minus DTM leaving just the buildings and other sticky-uppy things.

Happy mapping.

Rob
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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Fix oneway streets with Telenav tool

[Rob Nickerson]

Hi all,

At the end of October Telenav released a tool to help identify incorrectly
tagged, or missing, one way streets in OpenStreetMap. The *potential*
errors can be viewed at [1]
, but the
best way to use it is with the “trafficFlowDirection” plugin for JOSM.
Basic instructions at [2], full instructions at [3].

Happy mapping.
Rob

[1] http://improve-osm.org/trafficFlowDirection/#6/53.219/-2.889
[2]
http://www.mappa-mercia.org/2015/11/improve-osm-traffic-flow-direction.html
[3] https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/mvexel/diary/36244
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[Talk-GB] Fix oneway streets with Telenav tool

[Rob Nickerson]

Hi all,

At the end of October Telenav released a tool to help identify incorrectly
tagged, or missing, one way streets in OpenStreetMap. The *potential*
errors can be viewed at [1]
, but the
best way to use it is with the “trafficFlowDirection” plugin for JOSM.
Basic instructions at [2], full instructions at [3].

Happy mapping.
Rob

[1] http://improve-osm.org/trafficFlowDirection/#6/53.219/-2.889
[2]
http://www.mappa-mercia.org/2015/11/improve-osm-traffic-flow-direction.html
[3] https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/mvexel/diary/36244
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[Talk-GB] Fwd: Re: Quarterly project : Stats

[Rob Nickerson]

Meant to copy the reply to the mailing list. See below.
-- Forwarded message --
From: "Rob Nickerson" <rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com>
Date: 6 Nov 2015 08:03
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly project : Stats
To: "Fake Robertbrook" <metaz...@fastmail.net>
Cc:

We showed Birmingham CC how to edit OSM and they are about 1/3 of the way
through adding the induction loops!

Rob
On 6 Nov 2015 07:35, "Jo Walsh" <metaz...@fastmail.net> wrote:

> What happened incidentally with the "smart traffic" project for which you
> were mapping out tags with Birmingham city council? It sounded so promising
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mappa_Mercia/UTC
>
>
> Jo aka zool
>
>
> On November 5, 2015 9:10:40 PM GMT, Rob Nickerson <
> rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> During another eventful Mappa Mercia meeting in which we continued to
>> plot world domination, one idea that came up was "would a kind OSMer who
>> has a server running be willing pull back some stats for us on a daily
>> basis?"
>>
>> In essence we're looking for a volunteer to query the TagInfo UK API once
>> per day and dump the output to a simple file (or a graph if you're feeling
>> particularly creative).
>>
>> Our current project is nature reserves so a good API call would be:
>>
>>
>> http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org.uk/api/4/tag/stats?key=leisure=nature_reserve
>>
>> It may not be the world domination your were expecting but is anyone up
>> for the challenge?
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> Rob
>>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly project : Stats

[Rob Nickerson]

Thanks Adam - much appreciated.

A Google sheet would be perfect if that's simple enough to do. And yes,
that should make the graph a simple point and click task!

Rob
On 6 Nov 2015 08:02, "Adam Hoyle" <atom...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Like saving to a Google Sheet?
>
> Sounds pretty straightforward - I'd be up for doing that. :-)
>
> And I do quite like making graphs too, although Google Sheets can probably
> do that better.
>
> Best,
>
> Adam
>
> // 07973 428 333
> // http://www.adamhoyle.co.uk/
> // @adamhoyle
>
> On 5 Nov 2015, at 21:10, Rob Nickerson <rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> During another eventful Mappa Mercia meeting in which we continued to plot
> world domination, one idea that came up was "would a kind OSMer who has a
> server running be willing pull back some stats for us on a daily basis?"
>
> In essence we're looking for a volunteer to query the TagInfo UK API once
> per day and dump the output to a simple file (or a graph if you're feeling
> particularly creative).
>
> Our current project is nature reserves so a good API call would be:
>
>
> http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org.uk/api/4/tag/stats?key=leisure=nature_reserve
>
> It may not be the world domination your were expecting but is anyone up
> for the challenge?
>
> Best wishes,
> Rob
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[Talk-GB] Quarterly project : Stats

[Rob Nickerson]

Hi all,

During another eventful Mappa Mercia meeting in which we continued to plot
world domination, one idea that came up was "would a kind OSMer who has a
server running be willing pull back some stats for us on a daily basis?"

In essence we're looking for a volunteer to query the TagInfo UK API once
per day and dump the output to a simple file (or a graph if you're feeling
particularly creative).

Our current project is nature reserves so a good API call would be:

http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org.uk/api/4/tag/stats?key=leisure=nature_reserve

It may not be the world domination your were expecting but is anyone up for
the challenge?

Best wishes,
Rob
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[Talk-GB] PIE Mapping (Was: User dataone: "splitting into 2 way to tag restriction ")

[Rob Nickerson]

>Phil (trigpoint) wrote:
>
>In http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/34325458 comments Zain Ahmad
>Hashmi mentions PIE mapping, which is is for commercial truck routing.
>

Hi all,

PIE mapping were at the London OSM mobile themed dev hack weekend at
Geovation's office a few months ago. In fact they were an sponsor. I
remember speaking with one of them about OSM. We talked about how to map
turn restrictions and I gave some suggestions over how to engage with the
community. I'm not 100% sure as the details are sketchy but I think they
may have legit survey data. Harry Wood, Matt or Andy Allan may be able to
put you in contact with the employee who sorted the sponsorship should you
need to contact them but lets focus on helping them not bombarding them
with "PLEASE TELL ME WHAT YOU ARE DOING OR STOP NOW" type questions
(apologies for caps).

Cheers
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Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging street areas controlled by rising bollard barriers

[Rob Nickerson]

That sounds like you need a conditional restriction on the way and probably
on the bollard node too. Most likely "motor_vehicle=no" and
"access:motor_vehicle:conditional=yes @ (18:00-10:00)".

For more: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Conditional_restrictions

Rob
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[Talk-GB] Spamdalism caught

[Rob Nickerson]

Don't think it was spam as I think they are actually based here. If true,
this is user error in editing the road instead of adding a building/address.

Rob
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Re: [Talk-GB] Environment Agency LIDAR datasets OGL licensed now available

[Rob Nickerson]

Thanks. Have you had any trouble getting the tiles to load in JOSM? When I
tried I keep getting error messages popping up which made it unusable. JOSM
does seem to suffer from bugs these days (maybe I have a bad plugin).

Rob
On 15 Oct 2015 08:49, "Ed Loach" <edlo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Done
>
>
>
> Ed
>
>
>
> *From:* Rob Nickerson [mailto:rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* 14 October 2015 18:04
> *To:* talk-gb@openstreetmap.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Talk-GB] Environment Agency LIDAR datasets OGL licensed
> now available
>
>
>
> Ed,
>
> Is it possible to add Bing aerial as a layer - it would be interesting to
> see how it compares for tracing. I'll check it out in JOSM but others may
> like it on the website.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Rob
>
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Hacks and Hackers

[Rob Nickerson]

Sounds interesting. See you Wednesday 7th October in the Bull.

Rob

On 29 September 2015 at 22:36, stuart lester 
wrote:

> hello,
>
> Paul Bradshaw who organises the hacks and hackers meet up wondered if
> either any OSMers fancy attending the next one or look at developing and
> OSM themed one.
>
> I shall be along at the next meeting at the bull so can discuss further
> when I have more details about a date and what hacks and hackers do so I
> can get an idea on how they may wish to use OSM.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Stu
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Re: [Talk-GB] Environment Agency LIDAR datasets OGL licensed now available

[Rob Nickerson]

Sounds good Chris.

No problems with imports from me (assuming the data passes reasonable*
quality assurance). I do feel that the concerns over imports are preventing
OSM from properly innovating. This is a good example of dataset and an
innovative approach that has been made available to us. It would be a shame
if nothing came of it.

You mention trees can cause problems to building heights. Hopefully these
errors are obvious in big urban areas (e.g. if all buildings in a
residential area are of similar height except for a few outliers then it
gives a good indication of where the error is!).

Regards,
Rob

* By reasonable we have to put it in to context of our own manual quality
which is not 100% perfect even for the experienced mapper. We also don't
have a large enough community to invest the number of hours a fully manual
(27million homes) process would require.
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Re: [Talk-GB] Environment Agency LIDAR datasets OGL licensed now available

[Rob Nickerson]

>On 24/09/2015 18:41, Phil Endecott wrote:
>> You could easily trace building outlines from this
>
>This looks excellent, but being inherently lazy, is there any software
>to convert what I assume are pixels outlines into vectors?
>
>It would save a *lot* of tracing. (Caveat: I'm not advocating  mass import)
>
>Dave F.
>

The New York public library's building inspector tool [1] has a solution
for converting raster outlines of buildings to vectors. It works pretty
well but for me the biggest drawback was that it detected the inside of
buildings up to the inside edge of the walls and as such it was leaving
gaps (the thickness of the wall) between terraced buildings.

I was hoping that the chap behind Strava's slide tool [2] could improve the
results (of the NYPL building inspector tool) by applying the "valley"
approach of his algorithm to the blackness of the pixels on the raster map.
He had a go one weekend but to no success. I wonder whether this dataset
would be more suited (it seems to be perfectly suited to the "valley"
algorithm!!). It would require a starting point so some vectorisation
similar to the NYPL tool would still be needed. I wonder whether the right
approach would be to extract the data straight from the LIDAR data rather
than processing it to a raster image then doing edge detection on the
raster.

All the strava slide code is open if anyone wants to have a play [3].

Best regards,
Rob


[1] http://buildinginspector.nypl.org/
[2] http://labs.strava.com/slide/
[3] https://github.com/paulmach/slide
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] New user edits in Stratford

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Thanks Brian,

As there have been a few of these lately I wonder whether we could make use
of the Mappa Mercia website to host a simple guide. We could then send
people a link to that when we contract them.

Rob
On 27 Aug 2015 11:19, "Brian Prangle" <bpran...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Corrected most of them and contacted the user politley
>
> On 26 August 2015 at 18:22, Rob Nickerson <rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I've only just sorted the last lot you identified! Having to contact the
>> user then wait a few days to give then chance to reply before reverting
>> takes up the time so feel free to kick this bit of the process off.
>>
>> Thanks :-)
>> On 26 Aug 2015 17:16, "Andy Robinson" <ajrli...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> If anyone with good knowledge of Stratford-upon-Avon could take a look at
>>> these edits by a new user. They look well-intentioned but have resulted
>>> in
>>> duplicates and some other questionable edits. It may just be worth
>>> reverting.
>>>
>>> I've not made contact or added any changeset comments.
>>>
>>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/c1995/history#map=17/52.19218/-1.70325
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Andy
>>>
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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] September meeting - Wednesday 2nd in Tamworth

[Rob Nickerson]

Hi all,

We are due to hold our next meeting this Wednesday (you will recall that we
have switched to the first Wednesday of the month). It's due to be in
Tamworth.

Can you please let me know if you can go ASAP as I know a number of you are
unable to attend this month.

Regards,
Rob

p.s. If you want to attend but prefer a different location then let me know
as we may be able to re-arrange based on expected turn-out.
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Re: [Talk-GB] Paths and Footways

[Rob Nickerson]

Thanks Andy,

Fully aware of access land, undocumented rights of way and permissive
paths. I just need to remember to be careful of what I write on this
mailing list (but I was trying not to write an essay).

I'm surprised if this is just England and Wales as I would have thought
some other country has some way of documenting paths in a legal context and
as such this may be relevant for other countries, but the real question is:
would having some way to show the importance of particular paths/footways
(just like roads have a classification) help, and if yes, how should we do
this?

So far there is little interest to do this on the OSM default render style
which seems odd to me given how much fuss there has been on this list to
recent changes to the footway/path style (over the last year)!

Rob
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Re: [Talk-GB] Paths and Footways

[Rob Nickerson]

Thanks Dudley.

I'm not sure that I agree that this is UK specific. We render roads
according to their status (motorway to unclassified), and as such I see
potential to do this for paths irrespective of country. In regards to
designation=*, are we now the only country that makes a distinction between
paths you have a legal right to walk on and any other path that might exist
because people happen to walk over the land thus leaving a desire line
path?

Rob


On 17 August 2015 at 18:42, Dudley Ibbett dudleyibb...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Hi

 My thoughts as follows:


1. This is really going to be something for a UK specific rendering.
It is actually quite useful as a QC exercise to rendering footways/paths
with and without a designation tag.  Something I do on my own Garmin map.
The presumption on my part being that ideally we would like to see all
footway/bridleways etc have their appropriate designation tag.
2. I think this is really something for a specialist
site.  “waymarkedtrails” does this very well.
3. I would not be in favour of this.  It would be very subjective and
would vary throughout the year for many footpaths and depend on who and how
many people had walked it recently.


 I guess if the new rendering for footway throws up significant problems
 there will be more interest in a UK website.

 Regards

 Dudley

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 *From:* Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com
 *Sent:* ‎Sunday‎, ‎16‎ ‎August‎ ‎2015 ‎18‎:‎27
 *To:* Talk-GB talk-gb@openstreetmap.org

 Hi all,

 Given that paths and footways are now rendered the same way in the default
 OSM style I wonder whether it is time to look at how the map can provide
 better information.

 For rural mappers tagging a path/footway as unpaved surface results in it
 having less prominence on the map. As most major public rights of way are
 unpaved this makes these paths harder to view on the default OSM map.

 Some possible changes:

 1. Render all paths/footways that are tagged as
 designation=public_footpath (or other RoW) more prominently.
 2. Render those paths/footways that make up a long distance walking route
 more prominent (relation data).
 3. Render based on another tag such as trail visibility [1] or maybe we
 need a brand new tag to indicate path dominance (like we have
 motorway/trunk/primary/etc for roads).

 What are people's thoughts on this? The second has a request on github
 already [2].

 [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:trail_visibility
 [2] https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/1750

 Regards,
 Rob


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[Talk-GB] Paths and Footways

[Rob Nickerson]

Hi all,

Given that paths and footways are now rendered the same way in the default
OSM style I wonder whether it is time to look at how the map can provide
better information.

For rural mappers tagging a path/footway as unpaved surface results in it
having less prominence on the map. As most major public rights of way are
unpaved this makes these paths harder to view on the default OSM map.

Some possible changes:

1. Render all paths/footways that are tagged as designation=public_footpath
(or other RoW) more prominently.
2. Render those paths/footways that make up a long distance walking route
more prominent (relation data).
3. Render based on another tag such as trail visibility [1] or maybe we
need a brand new tag to indicate path dominance (like we have
motorway/trunk/primary/etc for roads).

What are people's thoughts on this? The second has a request on github
already [2].

[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:trail_visibility
[2] https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/1750

Regards,
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Re: [Talk-GB] UK/GB OpenStreetMap survey results

[Rob Nickerson]

Hi all,

It's been a few days since I posted the results of the UK OpenStreetMap
group survey. If you've had any thoughts on what the first 100 days of this
organisation would look like then I'd love to hear them. For example, what
initiatives should we focus on first? How can we tackle those things that
people voted agree/strongly agree to?

Best wishes,
Rob

p.s. I'll be in London this weekend at the OSM mobile app dev event. I'll
try to tweet and blog about this on mappa-mercia.org . If you have any app
ideas you want me to share then let me know soon :-)


On 1 August 2015 at 12:53, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all,

 Thank you for taking the time to fill out the A UK OpenStreetMap group?
 survey. In the 3 weeks since the survey first opened we received a total of
 101 responses. This is a great response rate and indicates that many people
 are interested in the prospect of such a group.

 So what do the results show? Please follow the link below for a break down
 of the results and some suggestions as to next steps for this group.


 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1A8rKyKUW0X01n-JEMLwEUT4ktX-7WrxNP03YTkZs6lU/edit#

 I look forward to hearing your views on this. If possible please send
 replies to talk-gb@openstreetmap.org so that other members can view your
 comments (emails sent to this address are publicly visible).

 Best wishes,
 Rob

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Rugby tonight

[Rob Nickerson]

I'll be there. Probably won't map a lot as I don't have much free time to
put it in OSM afterwards right now.

Will discuss the website as in trying to redesign that at the moment.

Rob
On 5 Aug 2015 12:01, Greg gre...@fastmail.co.uk wrote:

 Hi all. I'm local to Rugby and will be coming along to the Bacco Lounge
 to meet you later. I presume before this everyone will be doing their
 own thing...

 I'm moving to Bilton quite soon so I might do some surveying round there
 or in New Bilton, where I currently live. In any case I'm sure I'll be
 able to survey some more of Bilton in due course.

 See you later!

 Thanks,
 Greg.


 On 05/08/15 09:15, Brian Prangle wrote:
  Hi everyone
 
  I'll survey the missing roads showing up just south of Junction One
 Retail
  Park then do some retail surveying in the centre of town
 
  See you there
 
  Regards
 
  Brian
 
 
 
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[Talk-GB] Better building terracer for JOSM

[Rob Nickerson]

This looks promising. Worth a share :-)

http://derickrethans.nl/buildings.html

Regards,
Rob
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Re: [Talk-GB] Open Access Land

[Rob Nickerson]

Where are you looking? Most of the data available at [1] is available under
the Open Government Licence or the OS OpenData Licence.

Rob

[1] http://www.gis.naturalengland.org.uk/pubs/gis/GIS_register.asp
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[Talk-GB] Open Access Land

[Rob Nickerson]

I thought this was available in the Natural England data.

Rob
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[Talk-GB] UK/GB OpenStreetMap survey results

[Rob Nickerson]

Hi all,

Thank you for taking the time to fill out the A UK OpenStreetMap group?
survey. In the 3 weeks since the survey first opened we received a total of
101 responses. This is a great response rate and indicates that many people
are interested in the prospect of such a group.

So what do the results show? Please follow the link below for a break down
of the results and some suggestions as to next steps for this group.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1A8rKyKUW0X01n-JEMLwEUT4ktX-7WrxNP03YTkZs6lU/edit#

I look forward to hearing your views on this. If possible please send
replies to talk-gb@openstreetmap.org so that other members can view your
comments (emails sent to this address are publicly visible).

Best wishes,
Rob
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Re: [Talk-GB] Survey: A UK/GB OpenStreetMap group?

[Rob Nickerson]

All,

Last chance to fill in the UK/GB OSM group survey if you have not already
done so. I aim to release the results soon along with suggestions on how we
should proceed. This second stage will allow for more comment than the
initial survey (with the survey results acting to support any commentary).

Best,
Rob

On 11 July 2015 at 21:19, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote:

 Dear UK/GB OpenStreetMappers,

 From time to time we talk about the potential of setting up a UK/GB
 OpenStreetMap group (name yet to be decided) but we never quite know what
 it should look like.

 Survey time!! Please fill in the following 2 minute survey:

 http://goo.gl/forms/Z797QhC27c

 Your responses to page 1 will be shared when we close the survey (in a few
 weeks). If you respond to the optional page 2 questions (your details),
 your responses will be used for the purpose of administrating the group
 only (they will only be seen by myself and any designated administrator
 should a UK/GB group be set up).

 So stop reading and go to the survey:

 http://goo.gl/forms/Z797QhC27c

 Best regards and happy mapping,
 Rob


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[Talk-GB] Ramblers app

[Rob Nickerson]

Looks interesting. Anyone know more information about this?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33532041

Rob
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Re: [Talk-GB] Survey: A UK/GB OpenStreetMap group?

[Rob Nickerson]

Hi all,

Thanks to those 65 people who have responded to the survey so far. I want
to address a few of the comments on the mailing list.

The idea of a group has been discussed many time before but it has never
progressed. I believe that this is because it has never been clear what the
group should do - some people want it to focus on X, others on Y. The
survey is designed to gather quantitative data on the what and also the
how. With the results of the survey we can look at the next step with
real evidence to support it.

So open-ended questions were omitted, as was matters related to the name of
the group. And yes, I admit that the subject line could have been clearer*,
perhaps The What and How of a UK/GB group?.

Please continue to encourage your OpenStreetMap friends to contribute to
the survey.

Regards,
Rob

* Written communication is bad, as different people interpret things in
different ways. This is especially true when crossing cultural boundaries.
My top tip is to assume positive intent and if in doubt ask :-)



On 11 July 2015 at 21:19, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote:

 Dear UK/GB OpenStreetMappers,

 ...


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Re: [Talk-GB] Survey: A UK/GB OpenStreetMap group?

[Rob Nickerson]

Hi all,

As I'm not signed up to all mailing lists, can I please have volunteers to
forward this to talk-gb-london, talk-gb-midanglia, talk-gb-thenorth and
talk-scotland?

Thanks,
Rob

On 11 July 2015 at 21:19, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote:

 Dear UK/GB OpenStreetMappers,

 From time to time we talk about the potential of setting up a UK/GB
 OpenStreetMap group (name yet to be decided) but we never quite know what
 it should look like.

 Survey time!! Please fill in the following 2 minute survey:

 http://goo.gl/forms/Z797QhC27c

 Your responses to page 1 will be shared when we close the survey (in a few
 weeks). If you respond to the optional page 2 questions (your details),
 your responses will be used for the purpose of administrating the group
 only (they will only be seen by myself and any designated administrator
 should a UK/GB group be set up).

 So stop reading and go to the survey:

 http://goo.gl/forms/Z797QhC27c

 Best regards and happy mapping,
 Rob


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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Fwd: Survey: A UK/GB OpenStreetMap group?

[Rob Nickerson]

Forwarding the following email to local mailing lists. We're nearing 30
responses already. Let's make that 50 by tomorrow :-)

Rob


-- Forwarded message --

Dear UK/GB OpenStreetMappers,

From time to time we talk about the potential of setting up a UK/GB
OpenStreetMap group (name yet to be decided) but we never quite know what
it should look like.

Survey time!! Please fill in the following 2 minute survey:

http://goo.gl/forms/Z797QhC27c

Your responses to page 1 will be shared when we close the survey (in a few
weeks). If you respond to the optional page 2 questions (your details),
your responses will be used for the purpose of administrating the group
only (they will only be seen by myself and any designated administrator
should a UK/GB group be set up).

So stop reading and go to the survey:

http://goo.gl/forms/Z797QhC27c

Best regards and happy mapping,
Rob
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[Talk-GB] Survey: A UK/GB OpenStreetMap group?

[Rob Nickerson]

Dear UK/GB OpenStreetMappers,

From time to time we talk about the potential of setting up a UK/GB
OpenStreetMap group (name yet to be decided) but we never quite know what
it should look like.

Survey time!! Please fill in the following 2 minute survey:

http://goo.gl/forms/Z797QhC27c

Your responses to page 1 will be shared when we close the survey (in a few
weeks). If you respond to the optional page 2 questions (your details),
your responses will be used for the purpose of administrating the group
only (they will only be seen by myself and any designated administrator
should a UK/GB group be set up).

So stop reading and go to the survey:

http://goo.gl/forms/Z797QhC27c

Best regards and happy mapping,
Rob
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] July Meeting

[Rob Nickerson]

What are the mapping priorities? i seem to recall someone said there was a
lot left to map here? Do you think a cake is needed?

Rob

On 1 July 2015 at 21:27, Brian Prangle bpran...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've got a family commitment pm so I'll be mapping am -getting some listed
 bdg pics in Codsall first then mapping Oakengates. I need to be away about
 130

 On 1 July 2015 at 19:02, Andy Robinson ajrli...@gmail.com wrote:

 Excellent. What time do folks want to stop for lunch?

 Cheers
 Andy

 -Original Message-
 From: Philip Barnes [mailto:p...@trigpoint.me.uk]
 Sent: 01 July 2015 18:04
 To: talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org
 Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] July Meeting

 On Tue, 2015-06-23 at 09:09 +0100, Brian Prangle wrote:
  Hi everyone
 
  This month's meeting will be on Saturday 4th July, so we can do some
  serious mapping in Telford. Current suggested venue for lunch is The
  Cock at Wellington. Oakengates was our original area for mapping but
  4th July is their Annual Carnival so getting a pub where we can chat
  might be a bit difficult!  You can still map Oakengates as it needs
  some attention and then move the couple of kilometres to Wellington.
  Both Oakengates and Wellington have train stations. It might be an
  idea to know who's coming and what areas you intend to survey. Phil's
  our man on the ground and can be reached on the day at 07983 459583
 
 I have the dining room at The Cock Inn, Wellington booked. Its a nice
 room, I call it the Hogwarts Common Room, which we use for our Shropshire
 Linux User Group meetings.

 Phil (trigpoint)

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Re: [Talk-GB] England LIDAR data to be OGL in September

[Rob Nickerson]

Hi all,

Just passing this on - the Environment Agency's LIDAR mapping of much
of England is going to be opened up in September, under the Open
Government 
Licence:https://environmentagency.blog.gov.uk/2015/06/16/free-mapping-data-will-elevate-flood-risk-knowledge/
 
https://environmentagency.blog.gov.uk/2015/06/16/free-mapping-data-will-elevate-flood-risk-knowledge/

Best
Dan


Cool. Any idea what the resolution is and whether buildings are
included or flattened to ground level?

The post mentions a non-commercial version that is already available.
Where can I find that?

Regards,
Rob
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[Talk-GB] Fwd: England LIDAR data to be OGL in September

[Rob Nickerson]

A response from Owen Boswarva. Sounds great :-)

Thanks

-- Forwarded message --
Rob,

It's composite and tiled LIDAR data at 2m, 1m, 50cm and 25cm resolution
(quoting Environment Agency Geomatics), and both DTM and DSM will be
available. There isn't a separate non-commercial version; the same data
that will be open from September is currently available free for
non-commercial and academic use. You can get it here:

https://www.geomatics-group.co.uk/GeoCMS/Order.aspx

Regards,

Owen

On 19 June 2015 at 21:04, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all,
 
 Just passing this on - the Environment Agency's LIDAR mapping of much
 of England is going to be opened up in September, under the Open
 Government 
 Licence:https://environmentagency.blog.gov.uk/2015/06/16/free-mapping-data-will-elevate-flood-risk-knowledge/
  
 https://environmentagency.blog.gov.uk/2015/06/16/free-mapping-data-will-elevate-flood-risk-knowledge/
 
 Best
 Dan
 

 Cool. Any idea what the resolution is and whether buildings are included or 
 flattened to ground level?

 The post mentions a non-commercial version that is already available. Where 
 can I find that?

 Regards,
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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Fwd: Re: Bidford Bridge

[Rob Nickerson]

Forward to list.
R

-- Forwarded message --
From: Rob
Date: 15 Jun 2015 19:44
Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Bidford Bridge
To: Andy
Cc:

 Yeah I heard about that on the radio.

 The tags would be access=no, with foot=yes, bicycle=yes if they can still
use it.

 We need to remember to change it when it reopens.

 Rob

 On 15 Jun 2015 19:19, Andy wrote:

 Having seen this sad news:

 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-33084348

 I've marked the OSM object:

 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-33084348

 as access=cyclists; pedestrians. Is there a better tag?

 --
 Andy Mabbett
 @pigsonthewing
 http://pigsonthewing.org.uk

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[Talk-GB] Apple streetview

[Rob Nickerson]

Apple collecting images for a street view competitor? Details:

http://maps.apple.com/vehicles/
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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Water Orton tomorrow

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Hi all,

Don't forget we are in Water Orton tomorrow evening (Thursday). Details on
the Mappa Mercia page on the wiki.

See you there :-)

Rob
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Re: [Talk-GB] Possible collaboration with Amey

[Rob Nickerson]

Sounds interesting. Do you know where they are hoping to hold the event?

As you say, it would be good if we could get a few folk there to describe
what can be done with OpenStreetMap data and associated technologies.

Regards,
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Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Project All things delivery-related - an update

[Rob Nickerson]

That's interesting. Have just tried the app out. It gives you the postboxes
in OpenStreetMap but not the ones that are missing (as shown by blue
markers on Robert's comparison tool:
http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/postboxes/

I really do feel like we are missing a trick here. As the map becomes more
and more complete it becomes harder and harder to find something to map
(example: I spend more time trying to find missing footpaths that I can map
on a circular walk now than 2-3 years ago).

An app that helps people find what's missing whilst out surveying could
really help. I only wish I had the skills and time to do this.

Regards,
Rob

On 6 May 2015 at 11:29, SK53 sk53@gmail.com wrote:

 Are you aware of the the PostBox Finder
 https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.elbatrop.postboxeshl=enapp
 from Elbatrop?

 I had a quick play with it ages ago, adding some collection times to
 existing post boxes.

 Jerry

 On 5 May 2015 at 23:40, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote:

 Robert Whittaker has an excellent site
 http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/postboxes/ monitoring OSM data on
 postboxes
 in the UK. Here you can see progress (even a league table of who's
 contributing). From the history graph you can see there's been an
 increase
 in activity since the project got going. Perhaps Robert might provide
 some
 data analysis about the effect of the project.
 
 Enter a postcode and you can find all the missing and incorrect postboxes
 nearby.
 
 

 Wow there are loads of postboxes still missing. Wouldn't it be great if
 there was a
 smartphone app that you could load missing points in to and it would tell
 you about
 them as you travel around. It would be like a guide to where to go
 mapping!

 Geocaching for postboxes anyone?

 Rob

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Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Project All things delivery-related - an update

[Rob Nickerson]

Robert Whittaker has an excellent site
http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/postboxes/ monitoring OSM data on postboxes
in the UK. Here you can see progress (even a league table of who's
contributing). From the history graph you can see there's been an increase
in activity since the project got going. Perhaps Robert might provide some
data analysis about the effect of the project.

Enter a postcode and you can find all the missing and incorrect postboxes
nearby.



Wow there are loads of postboxes still missing. Wouldn't it be great if
there was a
smartphone app that you could load missing points in to and it would tell
you about
them as you travel around. It would be like a guide to where to go mapping!

Geocaching for postboxes anyone?

Rob
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] May Meeting (Disabilty Kurb Project)

[Rob Nickerson]

Sounds like an interesting project. Hopefully we'll see you in Bromsgrove
on Thursday to discuss this in more detail. Speaking of which does anyone
know what the plan is for Bromsgrove. Is there any priority areas that we
should focus on or shall I just pick something and meet you in the pub
afterwards?

Rob

On 1 May 2015 at 18:01, Mark Croft mark.croft@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi

 The group has been out to bewdley and did a test run of finding curbs.
 I was not able to join in cos of health problems felling worn out with
 weather n hayfever.


 I should really have a go on my own here around my town in redditch.

 got a stack of photos and a spreadsheet of gps points where there good
 curbs and so reasonable ones that either steep and hard work to push a
 manual wheelchair up and others with a reasonable size drop down to
 the path/road etc etc

 I need to get some clarification on all the different issues with
 curbs and come up with some form of coding and label system.

 first beta version of the map attached (not sure its openstreetmap)

 i want to know to make a seperate layer of points on top of
 openstreetmap? does this need to done on custom webpage and having a
 host etc? I not done any internet programming yet would like the
 challange but also very time limited too get some sort of beat/demo
 copy of at least a paper copy of the map of bewdley.

 Maybe we have a go around bromsgrove on thursday?

 Is taking photos with embedded gps position enough?

 I have a friend that can offer me some free website space? ( i am
 involved in another project called Disability Action Redditch and need
 to redo there website and i am hoping to put this Curb/Kurb project on
 there for now - so that should be up soon or at least a frontpage
 saying that DAR website going live in june/july 2015)

 mark croft redditch


 On 15 April 2015 at 19:42, Brian Prangle bpran...@gmail.com wrote:
  A quick reminder that we're due to meet on Thurs 7 May (Election Night!).
  Thise of us who were at the April meeting decided from our list on
  Bromsgrove ( mainly to support mark a new mapper). Pub is the Golden
 Cross (
  A Wetherspoons ) which might be a challenge as it wasn't on the map when
 we
  decided
 
  Regards
 
  Brian
 
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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Cycle parking

[Rob Nickerson]

Quick question. What is the capacity of the following cycle parking rack?

(The image shows a cycle rack consisting of 6 hoops/stands)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6J5ZA1hu93ba09qLTlnZFJMSkk/view?usp=sharing

I have my view but just want to confirm with others.

Cheers,
Rob
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Cycle parking

[Rob Nickerson]

Good. Something a bunch of OSMers agree on - that's novel!

Rob
On 26 Apr 2015 22:09, Andy Robinson ajrli...@gmail.com wrote:

 6x2



 *From:* Rob Nickerson [mailto:rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com]
 *Sent:* 26 April 2015 12:00
 *To:* talk-gb-westmidlands
 *Subject:* [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Cycle parking



 Quick question. What is the capacity of the following cycle parking rack?

 (The image shows a cycle rack consisting of 6 hoops/stands)


 https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6J5ZA1hu93ba09qLTlnZFJMSkk/view?usp=sharing

 I have my view but just want to confirm with others.

 Cheers,

 Rob
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[Talk-GB] SotM 2016: Call for venues - Last Week

[Rob Nickerson]

Hi all,

Just one more weekend until the call for venues for State of the Map 2016
closes. We've also got the website up and running thanks to Tom H and the
Operations Working Group. I'm getting excited and we still have a long way
to go!

www.stateofthemap.org

Regards,
Your SotM team
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[Talk-GB] Postbox refs

[Rob Nickerson]

Hi,

I've noticed recently that postbox references have started appearing with a
D on the end (same ref as before just with a D added to the end). This
seems to be in areas where RM have updated the collection times.

Does anyone know what the D means?

Does RobW's tool allow for this D (as in does the match algorithm look for
or exclude this character)?

Rob
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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Visualising 10 years of OSM

[Rob Nickerson]

This is pretty cool:

https://www.mapbox.com/ten-years-openstreetmap/

Rob
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Re: [Talk-GB] New OS open data now available

[Rob Nickerson]

Some more detail in the following article. Includes the assessment that it
offers spatial data that is generally much higher in accuracy than most
building shapes already on OpenStreetMap

http://oobrien.com/2015/03/os-open/

Rob

On 24 March 2015 at 17:58, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all,

 So the new OS OpenData that was discussed a few weeks ago is now available:


 https://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/blog/2015/03/new-os-opendata-products-now-live/

 I think there could be many good uses of this including to help validate
 some of our data.

 If anyone is using this then let us know so that we don't duplicate work.

 Rob

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[Talk-GB] New OS open data now available

[Rob Nickerson]

Hi all,

So the new OS OpenData that was discussed a few weeks ago is now available:

https://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/blog/2015/03/new-os-opendata-products-now-live/

I think there could be many good uses of this including to help validate
some of our data.

If anyone is using this then let us know so that we don't duplicate work.

Rob
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Re: [Talk-GB] New OS open data now available

[Rob Nickerson]

My understanding was that the river dataset is now fully connected (and
wasn't before). Is this not the case?

Are there any attributes on the building vector data?

Rob
On 24 Mar 2015 18:28, tony wroblewski tony.wroblew...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi All

 Just had a quick look at the OpenData, in summary:

 - Buildings are slightly more detailed, basically vector versions of
 the one on the streetview raster map
 - All of the rest, forests, rivers, are no different than the current
 Vector data we already have (AFAIK). Forests,rivers etc are the same
 size as the older data.
 - Roads seem to include a few more details, but not enough detail on
 them for accurate usage in OSM.

 So basically, it gives us slightly improved buildings, but they are
 still highly simplified in terms of their pay for products.

 Tony


 On 24 March 2015 at 18:58, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Hi all,
 
  So the new OS OpenData that was discussed a few weeks ago is now
 available:
 
 
 https://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/blog/2015/03/new-os-opendata-products-now-live/
 
  I think there could be many good uses of this including to help validate
  some of our data.
 
  If anyone is using this then let us know so that we don't duplicate work.
 
  Rob
 
 
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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Birmingham meeting this Thursday

[Rob Nickerson]

Hi all,

Nearly the first Thursday of the month again so it's time for our Mappa
Mercia meeting. We'll be in our usual winter home in The Bull, Birmingham
(last time this winter?) so come join us.

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mappa_Mercia

Rob

PS. I can't make this one myself but hopefully some of the other regulars
well be there :)
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Re: [Talk-GB] OS OpenData now OGL

[Rob Nickerson]

Robert wrote:
I think that would be jumping the gun slightly. What I understand from
OS's answer to me, is that previously released datasets will remain
under the OS-ODL, and there is no automatic retrospective change of
the licence.


I think you are overly risk averse in this case and it could limit
interesting uses of this data. The risk all along was that the OS could
take offence to how we are using the data (the local authorities we forced
to use the OS OpenData licence when they just wanted to make the data
available as open). Yeah of course the OS cannot retrospectively change the
licence of things released in the past but the fact that they have removed
the licence text from their website and put a url redirect to the OGL
suggests to me that the OS OpenData licence is dead. The risk is gone so
lets not pretend otherwise as it will just send a negative message to our
community.

In time we can and should ask each LA to use the new licence but this
shouldn't stop anyone from using the data now.

Rob
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