Re: Drag Drop of lines within fields

2005-08-04 Thread Ton Kuypers

:-)) Tnx, that was the one I was looking for!

Works beautifull


On 4-aug-05, at 00:48, Scott Rossi wrote:


Recently, Ton Kuypers  wrote:



I seem to recall that someone created a very nice example of drag 
drop of lines in listfields, but I cans seem to find it anymore... I
just need to rearrange lines in a field by drag  drop...

Could anyone please point me in the right direction or to an example
script?



This might work for you (in your message box):

 go url http://www.tactilemedia.com/download/getinline.rev;

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia  Design
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Re: Decompile Windows RR application

2005-08-04 Thread Ton Kuypers

GREAT!!
This one worked, saved me a lot of work!

Tnx

Ton

On 3-aug-05, at 23:38, Pat Trendler wrote:


Ton,

This was on the list some time ago, can't remember who, I think it  
was Monte.


I've used this myself a couple of times.

on mouseUp
 answer file Standalone
 if it is cancel then exit to top
 put url (binfile:it) into tStack
 repeat forever
 -- there's more than one stackfile in there which isinteresting ;-)
   put offset(#!/bin/sh,char 10 to -1 of tStack) into tOff
   if tOff = 0 then exit repeat
   put char tOff+9 to -1 of tStack into tStack
 end repeat
 ask file Stack
 if it is cancel then exit to top
 set the fileType to RevoRSTK
 put tStack into url (binfile:it)
 answer conversion finished with OK
end mouseUp

When finished rename the stack with a rev extension.

Pat
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- Original Message - From: Ton Kuypers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi gang,

I've had a disk-crash a couple of months ago and lost almost all   
files on that disk.
Among the lost files is also the RR source of a program I've  
created.  The only thing I have is the windows exe file.


Is there a way to decompile this back to a working RR project  
(or  even just parts of it) or do I just start all over again?


Ton Kuypers

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Re: recursion limits

2005-08-04 Thread Alex Tweedly

Chris Sheffield wrote:

I know recursion has been discussed in the past, and I'm wondering if  
anyone has ever run into any limits (i.e. memory problems) with  
recursion in Rev.  I am working on a little backup utility for my own  
use, and I'm wondering what would happen if I decided to back up my  
entire hard drive?  Would Rev choke on that?  I realize it could  
potentially take hours.  Would I start getting out of memory errors?   
The utility uses a directory walking function to create a list of all  
sub folders and files to be backed up.


Anyone have some detailed results with this type of thing?


I doubt that you'd run into recursion limits walking a disk (unless you 
have exceptionally large disks, or deeply nested directories) - but it's 
better to to avoid the possibility than to get a nasty surprise 3 hours 
into a backup 


Two suggestions.

1. Two phases. Generate a complete list of files *first*, then operate 
on them. This has two advantages; the resources for recursion aren't 
needed at the same time as the resources for the real work, and more 
importantly - if there are problems with limits, you find out in the 
first few minutes, before you have wasted much time.


A directory walk simply storing file names runs at about 2000 files per 
second (on my slow laptop) up to about 7000 per second on a moderate 
desktop.  (Obviously very dependent on the directory structure).


2. Iterate instead of recurse. Change your recursive call to a send ... 
to me in 0 secs, and check the pendingmessages to tell when to exit (by 
send  to another). Watch out for the need to quote directory names 
(I have directory names containing comma that confused my first 
attempt to do this).


This has no worries about limits on recursion. (Are there limits on the 
number of pending messages ? Or performance issues with (tens of) 
thousands of pending messages ? Hm).


This ran slower half the speed of the simple recursive method for me. 
Could probably be optimized if needed.


Personally I'd just do the first of these - but the second one was an 
interesting exercise .



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Re: use-revolution Digest, Vol 23, Issue 10 former Re: OS X 10.4 vs. 10.3 incompatibility

2005-08-04 Thread Wouter
The grey bar occurs if the number of ticks (divisions) is so high  
they cannot be drawn separately.

One of the possibilities to cause this is the thumbsize = 0.
But there are other possibilities, look for extreme settings, like   
in the end value  in relation with  a small thumbsize.


Greetings,
Wouter


On 03 Aug 2005, at 03:32, John Vokey wrote:

Nope.  Thumbsize is 11.  One other strange change: a grey bar  
occurs a few pixels below the slider that doesn't appear with any  
previous version of OS X.


On 2-Aug-05, at 6:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
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Re: Drag Drop of lines within fields

2005-08-04 Thread david bovill

This might work for you (in your message box):

 go url http://www.tactilemedia.com/download/getinline.rev;


Links not working for me? Can you add it to your nice download  
machine thingy?

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copy group to substack?

2005-08-04 Thread Charles Hartman
I'm really baffled. Following suggestions on list, I'm handling the  
transfer of data to a dialog substack by copying a group. The group  
contains an image and a lot of little fields. The substack has two  
cards. I do the copy command in a button handler in a card in the  
main stack. The groups are kept (invisibly) on the same card, and  
each button press selects one for copying to the substack. The copied  
group needs to show up in both cards (each card) in the substack.


I'm getting every kind of confusion. I've tried copying to the  
substack itself. But its accessibility within each of the two cards  
in the stack seems haphazard (sometimes different groups show up on  
the two cards! so I'm doing _something_ wrong in the copy). I've  
tried copying the group to the first card in the substack, but I'm  
having trouble getting a copy to the second card that I then need to  
do can't find it.


In other words, I'm not understanding how this works. Is it groups I  
don't understand (their relation to a _stack_ or a _card in the  
stack_ -- these groups are _not_ marked with a background property,  
by the way, either in the main stack or in the substack)? Or is it  
copy? I rename it right after copying the group to the substack  
(this is how I keep from needing to specify which main-stack group  
I'm working with while I'm in the substack); is that getting me in  
trouble? I've been over the docs several (many) times, and can't find  
out where the gap in my conception is.


I hope this makes enough sense to be answerable -- it doesn't make  
much sense to me any more.


Charles Hartman

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Re: copy group to substack?

2005-08-04 Thread Eric Chatonet

Hi Charles,

To be frank, I don't understand very well the problem.
But just a thought:
You could try to copy your group on the first card (or not) of your  
substack, and then place it (see the place command) onto the other  
cards where you need it.

Hope this can help...

Le 4 août 05 à 15:53, Charles Hartman a écrit :

I'm really baffled. Following suggestions on list, I'm handling the  
transfer of data to a dialog substack by copying a group. The  
group contains an image and a lot of little fields. The substack  
has two cards. I do the copy command in a button handler in a card  
in the main stack. The groups are kept (invisibly) on the same  
card, and each button press selects one for copying to the  
substack. The copied group needs to show up in both cards (each  
card) in the substack.


I'm getting every kind of confusion. I've tried copying to the  
substack itself. But its accessibility within each of the two cards  
in the stack seems haphazard (sometimes different groups show up on  
the two cards! so I'm doing _something_ wrong in the copy). I've  
tried copying the group to the first card in the substack, but I'm  
having trouble getting a copy to the second card that I then need  
to do can't find it.


In other words, I'm not understanding how this works. Is it groups  
I don't understand (their relation to a _stack_ or a _card in the  
stack_ -- these groups are _not_ marked with a background property,  
by the way, either in the main stack or in the substack)? Or is it  
copy? I rename it right after copying the group to the substack  
(this is how I keep from needing to specify which main-stack group  
I'm working with while I'm in the substack); is that getting me in  
trouble? I've been over the docs several (many) times, and can't  
find out where the gap in my conception is.


I hope this makes enough sense to be answerable -- it doesn't make  
much sense to me any more.


Charles Hartman



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Re: ANN: Full text justification plug-in

2005-08-04 Thread Jim Hurley


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 That's easy. First save the file to your drive. Then drag the file 
 to the Plug-in folder inside the folder with your current version 
 of Run Rev. From this point on it will appear among your plug-ins 
 under the Development menu when you start up.


 Jim


Hi Jim

that's my problem, I cannot save, the save menuItem is dimmed !



Yves,

I forgot about that issue. Two solutions

1) Convert it to a top level stack and save.

2) But easier: click on the palette with command/control/shift keys 
held down. A contextual menu will appear and one of the options is 
Save.


Tip:

This is a very valuable way to access a lot of useful utilities for 
any control (cards, fields, buttons, graphics, etc.) It works whether 
the pointer of browse tool is selected. When I open Rev the three 
finger of my left hand configure themselves automatically to permit 
this keyboard action.


Jim
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Re: Single Point Property Creation/Assignment

2005-08-04 Thread Dennis Brown

Stephen,

I took a little different approach to using custom properties and  
sets to avoid the use of the Do.
I leave the default set as the normal operating mode and access a few  
global parameters in the normal way:  get myParam of object
I create sets to hold other sets of parameters, but I access them all  
using array notation:  get the custSetArray[myParam] of object
That way I can construct the name myParam directly without using a  
do command:  get the custSetArray[varWithNameOfParam] of object


Dennis

On Aug 4, 2005, at 12:02 AM, Stephen Barncard wrote:



Hi gang,
I'm creating a central management system for settings using user  
properties.

I want to use one central routine to access the preferences stack.

To do that, I am working with a handler that creates and sets a  
custom property INSIDE a custom property set - all set at once. I  
got the below code to work.


My question is -- is the use of 'do' the only or best way to  
accomplish the use of variables for assigning property names and  
data? Or am I missing the obvious?



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Hide menubar problem

2005-08-04 Thread Douglas Gilliland
Is there a way to have my stack move up and occupy the area of the
menubar when I hide it with the hide menubar command (using MacOSX)?
I assumed (my first problem) that when I hid the menubar my 800x600
stack would fill the screen. Instead the menubar is replaced with the
desktop and the bottom of my stack is cut off.
Doug Gilliland
Sarasota, FL
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Re: Hide menubar problem

2005-08-04 Thread Eric Chatonet

Hi Doug,

Try to set the windowboundingRect to the screenRect and the loc of  
your stack to the screenLoc :-)


Le 4 août 05 à 16:17, Douglas Gilliland a écrit :


Is there a way to have my stack move up and occupy the area of the
menubar when I hide it with the hide menubar command (using MacOSX)?
I assumed (my first problem) that when I hid the menubar my 800x600
stack would fill the screen. Instead the menubar is replaced with the
desktop and the bottom of my stack is cut off.
Doug Gilliland



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Re: copy group to substack?

2005-08-04 Thread Charles Hartman

I know my explanation was a mess; sorry.

Following your Place suggestion (thanks, I'd forgotten that command),  
I've tried this:
1. in a handler in the main stack, copy the correct group to the  
substack (NOT a card
in a substack); rename it (from lineimagegroup7 or  
lineimagegroup3 or whatever

to lineImage)
2. in the openCard handler in the substack, issue a command place  
group 'lineImage'

of this stack onto this card
When I do that, I get an error message: group is not in this stack  
or is already on this card.


Charles


On Aug 4, 2005, at 9:59 AM, Eric Chatonet wrote:


Hi Charles,

To be frank, I don't understand very well the problem.
But just a thought:
You could try to copy your group on the first card (or not) of your  
substack, and then place it (see the place command) onto the other  
cards where you need it.

Hope this can help...

Le 4 août 05 à 15:53, Charles Hartman a écrit :


I'm really baffled. Following suggestions on list, I'm handling  
the transfer of data to a dialog substack by copying a group.  
The group contains an image and a lot of little fields. The  
substack has two cards. I do the copy command in a button handler  
in a card in the main stack. The groups are kept (invisibly) on  
the same card, and each button press selects one for copying to  
the substack. The copied group needs to show up in both cards  
(each card) in the substack.


I'm getting every kind of confusion. I've tried copying to the  
substack itself. But its accessibility within each of the two  
cards in the stack seems haphazard (sometimes different groups  
show up on the two cards! so I'm doing _something_ wrong in the  
copy). I've tried copying the group to the first card in the  
substack, but I'm having trouble getting a copy to the second card  
that I then need to do can't find it.


In other words, I'm not understanding how this works. Is it groups  
I don't understand (their relation to a _stack_ or a _card in the  
stack_ -- these groups are _not_ marked with a background  
property, by the way, either in the main stack or in the  
substack)? Or is it copy? I rename it right after copying the  
group to the substack (this is how I keep from needing to specify  
which main-stack group I'm working with while I'm in the  
substack); is that getting me in trouble? I've been over the docs  
several (many) times, and can't find out where the gap in my  
conception is.


I hope this makes enough sense to be answerable -- it doesn't make  
much sense to me any more.


Charles Hartman




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Re: copy group to substack?

2005-08-04 Thread Ken Ray
On 8/4/05 8:53 AM, Charles Hartman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'm really baffled. Following suggestions on list, I'm handling the
 transfer of data to a dialog substack by copying a group. The group
 contains an image and a lot of little fields. The substack has two
 cards. I do the copy command in a button handler in a card in the
 main stack. The groups are kept (invisibly) on the same card, and
 each button press selects one for copying to the substack. The copied
 group needs to show up in both cards (each card) in the substack.
 
 I'm getting every kind of confusion. I've tried copying to the
 substack itself. 

I think that might be the problem... if you're currently doing this:

  copy group MyGroup to stack MySubStack

then you need to copy to the *cards* of the substack, as in:

  copy group MyGroup to card 1 of stack MySubStack
  copy group MyGroup to card 2 of stack MySubStack

This assumes that the current defaultStack is the main stack.

HTH,


Ken Ray
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Re: copy group to substack?

2005-08-04 Thread Eric Chatonet

Hi Charles,

Try to copy your group to cd ID 1002 of stack My Substack
ID 1002 should be the first card (check this before)
In a preOpenstack handler in this substack:
place group lineImage onto cd 2

For sure, your copy was placed on the first card and you can't place  
this  group onto this card since it's already there :-)

You should understand the second option in the error message.
Don't forget that you can check all this in the application browser.

Le 4 août 05 à 16:29, Charles Hartman a écrit :


I know my explanation was a mess; sorry.

Following your Place suggestion (thanks, I'd forgotten that  
command), I've tried this:
1. in a handler in the main stack, copy the correct group to the  
substack (NOT a card
in a substack); rename it (from lineimagegroup7 or  
lineimagegroup3 or whatever

to lineImage)
2. in the openCard handler in the substack, issue a command place  
group 'lineImage'

of this stack onto this card
When I do that, I get an error message: group is not in this stack  
or is already on this card.



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Re: ANN: Full text justification plug-in

2005-08-04 Thread Klaus Major

Hi Jim and Yves and all,


...
 That's easy. First save the file to your drive. Then drag the  
file  to the Plug-in folder inside the folder with your current  
version  of Run Rev. From this point on it will appear among your  
plug-ins  under the Development menu when you start up.

 Jim


Hi Jim
that's my problem, I cannot save, the save menuItem is dimmed !


Yves,

I forgot about that issue. Two solutions
1) Convert it to a top level stack and save.
2) But easier: click on the palette with command/control/shift keys  
held down. A contextual menu will appear and one of the options is  
Save.


Tip:
This is a very valuable way to access a lot of useful utilities for  
any control (cards, fields, buttons, graphics, etc.) It works  
whether the pointer of browse tool is selected. When I open Rev the  
three finger of my left hand configure themselves automatically to  
permit this keyboard action.


Jim


did i already mention that my wonderful 2lz2 plugin has an extra menu
for these kind of things?

Not?

OK,  my wonderful 2lz2 plugin has an extra menu for these kind of  
things :-)


Get it from my website or here the direct link:

http://www.major-k.de/staxx/2lz2.mc.zip


Best

Klaus Major
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Image and Player Image Problems

2005-08-04 Thread David Burgun

Hi,

I have a Player object which I use to display a TIFF file, I use the 
following code to do this and all works fine:


set the fileName of player 1 to A-TIFF-File.tif

Which works fine.

However I want to be able to get the imageData of the image that is 
being displayed.


On an image object the following works:

put the imageData of image 1 into myImageData

However the same does not work for a player object.

How do I get the Image Data for a Player Object?

Thanks in Advance
Dave
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[ANN] Cookbook for All thanks to Resources Picker 1.1 and Runrev

2005-08-04 Thread Eric Chatonet

Paris, Thu, Aug 4, 2005

-- English version -

Hello,

So Smart Software has the pleasure of announcing the availability of  
Resources Picker 1.1:

The main new features are the following:

• By courtesy of Runrev, the Cookbook from Rev 2.2  and all its  
recipes is now included in the Resources Picker package*
This means that from now on the Cookbook can be accessed from  
Resources Picker with any version of DreamCard/Revolution.
• An additional automated procedure informs you if a new version is  
available when Resources Picker opens.


To download this new free version, please visit http:// 
www.sosmartsoftware.com


Best regards,

Eric Chatonet.

* Note that the cookbook is provided as a data file and not as a stack.


- Version française 

Bonjour,

So Smart Software a le plaisir d'annoncer la disponibilité de  
Resources Picker 1.1 :

Les principales nouveautés sont les suivantes :

• Avec la gracieuse permission de Runrev, le livre de recettes de Rev  
2.2 et toutes ses recettes est maintenant inclus dans le package de  
Resources Picker*
Ceci signifie que désormais, le livre de recettes peut être exploité  
depuis Resources Picker quelque soit votre version de DreamCard/ 
Revolution.
• Une procédure automatique à l'ouverture permet de vous informer si  
une nouvelle version de Resources Picker est disponible.


Pour télécharger cette nouvelle version gratuite, merci de vous  
rendre sur http://www.sosmartsoftware.com


Cordialement,

Eric Chatonet.

* Merci de bien vouloir noter que le livre de recettes est fourni  
sous la forme d'un fichier data et non comme une pile.


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Re: Image and Player Image Problems

2005-08-04 Thread Klaus Major

Hi David,


Hi,

I have a Player object which I use to display a TIFF file, I use  
the following code to do this and all works fine:

set the fileName of player 1 to A-TIFF-File.tif
Which works fine.
However I want to be able to get the imageData of the image that is  
being displayed.

On an image object the following works:
put the imageData of image 1 into myImageData
However the same does not work for a player object.
How do I get the Image Data for a Player Object?


well, technically this is a video for Rev and no image ;-)

You could:

1. Import a snapshot into your image, if possible...

2. Create a temporary** JPG or PNG image with AppleScript and  
Image Events,

if you are on Mac OS X, and import that one into your image.

**Use a something with the tempname for this purpose

Little example script, just change the paths:


tell application Image events
launch
set myimage to open /Users/klaus/Pictures/PHTO0011.tif
save myimage as JPEG in /Users/klaus/Desktop/testbild.jpg
close myimage
end tell
###

You can save as:
BMP
JPEG
JPEG2
PICT
PNG
PSD
QuickTime Image
TIFF

I am not sure if this will work with OS X  10.4!

3. Like Nr. 2 but with Trevor's wonderful Enhanced Quicktime External.

Hope that helps.


Thanks in Advance
Dave


Regards

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Re: Image and Player Image Problems

2005-08-04 Thread Derek Bump

David Burgun wrote:

How do I get the Image Data for a Player Object?


Well, looking at the documentation you will see that you can't get the 
imageData directly.


You can, however, download the EnhancedQT external.  Use it to convert 
the TIFF to a format that Revolution supports...like PNG.  Set the 
filename of an image to the PNG and then pull the imageData.



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Re: ANN: Full text justification plug-in

2005-08-04 Thread Yves COPPE



I forgot about that issue. Two solutions

1) Convert it to a top level stack and save.

2) But easier: click on the palette with command/control/shift keys  
held down. A contextual menu will appear and one of the options is  
Save.


Tip:

This is a very valuable way to access a lot of useful utilities for  
any control (cards, fields, buttons, graphics, etc.) It works  
whether the pointer of browse tool is selected. When I open Rev the  
three finger of my left hand configure themselves automatically to  
permit this keyboard action.


Jim
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thanks. I've done it. it works perfect.



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Re: ANN: Datastructures Article.

2005-08-04 Thread Andre Garzia


On Aug 3, 2005, at 10:44 PM, Stephen Barncard wrote:


Beautiful work, Andre. I've bookmarked it. Thanks.

sqb



thanks!!! did you liked the content and the way it's presented? I am 
creating guidelines for writting future articles...


Andre



Hi Folks,

continuing the job of presenting the community with cool articles, I 
just build an article entitled: CS Demo #1: Lists and its uses. 
where I delve on the topic of lists, queues, stacks. The article is 
full of shots, movies, code and all the bells and whistles. There's a 
stack available with all the code and in the end we build a RPN 
calculator.


Hope everyone likes it.

http://www.andregarzia.com/articles/csdemo1

Cheers
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Re: ANN: Datastructures Article.

2005-08-04 Thread Andre Garzia


On Aug 3, 2005, at 11:24 PM, Ken Ray wrote:


On 8/3/05 8:19 PM, Andre Garzia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hi Folks,

continuing the job of presenting the community with cool articles, I
just build an article entitled: CS Demo #1: Lists and its uses.
where I delve on the topic of lists, queues, stacks. The article is
full of shots, movies, code and all the bells and whistles. There's a
stack available with all the code and in the end we build a RPN
calculator.

Hope everyone likes it.

http://www.andregarzia.com/articles/csdemo1


Awesome! Great work, Andre!



I am also making one to show cool uses of XML, guess whos library is 
also used? :D


Cheers
andre



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article on osnews about RB...

2005-08-04 Thread Andre Garzia

Hi Folks,

just read a review of RB 2005 in OSNews.com. At the end of the review I 
felt like, hey, I can do all of this in Rev and more. then I thought, 
why I don't see more Rev reviews out there... anyone got a clue? It 
would be nice if we could post a review of Rev as a cross platform 
development tool in OSNews.


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Re: Drag Drop of lines within fields

2005-08-04 Thread Wilhelm Sanke

On Wed, 3 Aug 2005, Howard Bornstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


(snip)
Scott's solution is very elegant. Wilhelm Sanke also came up with a
fairly simple solution that I find I use frequently for this purpose.
His script is below.
(snip)


Thanks for the reference, Howard.

The first version of this script Howard refers to was produced with help 
from Scott Raney (the creator of Metacard).


Following a similar discussion in February (subject. Drag 
from-within-to fields) I had added a sample stack to my website 
containing 6 different solutions of the drag-drop-lines question, 
including one example that presents a slightly modified version of Scott 
Rossi's stack (hope he has agreed to my modification as an alternative 
to his excellent solution).


The sample stack can be directly downloaded from here

http://www.sanke.org/Software/DragWithListfields.zip

or from page Tools and Samples for Development of 
www.sanke.org/MetaMedia


The scripts can most certainly - as usual - be improved, refined, and 
extended, but they may at least show directions how to tackle some 
problems coming up when you wish to visibly (not just with a drag 
cursor) drag between or inside controls whose locktext is set to true.


-- Wilhelm Sanke


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RE: article on osnews about RB...

2005-08-04 Thread Lynch, Jonathan
My guess is that Rev has like a tenth of the number of users as RB.

I really don't know, and the size of Rev's user base is apparently a secret, 
but I bet we have less users and thus less exposure.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andre Garzia
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 11:59 AM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: article on osnews about RB...

Hi Folks,

just read a review of RB 2005 in OSNews.com. At the end of the review I 
felt like, hey, I can do all of this in Rev and more. then I thought, 
why I don't see more Rev reviews out there... anyone got a clue? It 
would be nice if we could post a review of Rev as a cross platform 
development tool in OSNews.

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Re: ANN: Full text justification plug-in

2005-08-04 Thread Alejandro Tejada
on Thu, 4 Aug 2005
Klaus Major wrote:

 Jim
 did i already mention that my wonderful 2lz2
 plugin has an extra menu
 for these kind of things?
 Not?
 OK,  my wonderful 2lz2 plugin has an extra menu
 for these kind of  
 things :-)
 Get it from my website or here the direct link:
 http://www.major-k.de/staxx/2lz2.mc.zip

Did you know what is needed in this platform?

A website that review every stack that every
developer publish in the web, with screenshots,
movies and explanations about their uses and
functions. 

Maybe if Richard Gaskin could organize a two person
team for doing this work in RevJournal... ;-)

al



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append a string to a string

2005-08-04 Thread Ban Nguyen
Hello,

How to append a string to a string?



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Re: article on osnews about RB...

2005-08-04 Thread Dan Shafer
Coincidentally (I don't believe in coincidence), a client of mine  
hired me a few days ago to do an analysis of the new RB with an eye  
to helping him figure out if he should either switch from Rev (which  
he's using at my behest for over a year and loving) to RB for a new  
set of projects for HIS clients, add it to his arsenal, or pass on it.


My study will, of course, be his property since he's paying for it.  
But he's given me permission to extract from it a white paper for the  
communities (RB and RR) that eliminates all mention of his company,  
its product plans, and anything else he considers confidential. I  
hope to post that in the next week or so on my Revolution site and  
perhaps elsewhere.


I *can* say at this point that the IDE in RB2005 is very, very nice.  
Polished, smooth, fluid, intuitive, and all in one window (a la Jerry  
Daniels' new Constellation IDE for Rev, which I think is nearing  
release). No screen clutter.


MTK


On Aug 4, 2005, at 8:58 AM, Andre Garzia wrote:


Hi Folks,

just read a review of RB 2005 in OSNews.com. At the end of the  
review I felt like, hey, I can do all of this in Rev and more. then  
I thought, why I don't see more Rev reviews out there... anyone got  
a clue? It would be nice if we could post a review of Rev as a  
cross platform development tool in OSNews.


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Re: append a string to a string

2005-08-04 Thread Eric Chatonet

Hi Ban,

put B  an into tFirstName
put tFirstName  Nguyen into tDocs ;-)

Le 4 août 05 à 18:42, Ban Nguyen a écrit :


How to append a string to a string?


PS. As I told you lately, check the docs!

Best Regards from Paris,

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Re: ANN: Full text justification plug-in

2005-08-04 Thread Klaus Major

Hi Alejandro,


on Thu, 4 Aug 2005
Klaus Major wrote:


Jim
did i already mention that my wonderful 2lz2
plugin has an extra menu for these kind of things?
Not?
OK,  my wonderful 2lz2 plugin has an extra menu
for these kind of things :-)
Get it from my website or here the direct link:
http://www.major-k.de/staxx/2lz2.mc.zip


Did you know what is needed in this platform?

A website that review every stack that every
developer publish in the web, with screenshots,
movies and explanations about their uses and
functions.

Maybe if Richard Gaskin could organize a two person
team for doing this work in RevJournal... ;-)


LOL :-)

Sissiphus is what comes to my mind immediately :-D


al

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Best

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RE: append a string to a string

2005-08-04 Thread Ban Nguyen

I use this:

put nameOfMovie into myMovie
put .mov after myMovie


This works too

Thanks Eric

-


Hi Ban,

put B  an into tFirstName
put tFirstName  Nguyen into tDocs ;-)

Le 4 août 05 à 18:42, Ban Nguyen a écrit :

 How to append a string to a string?

PS. As I told you lately, check the docs!

Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.

So Smart Software

For institutions, companies and associations
Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc.
Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch

Free plugins and tutorials on my website

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Err in Sort Command

2005-08-04 Thread Luis L. Rodríguez Oro
The problem is(in my opinion):

in transcript: árbol  boca --  mistake
in other languages: árbol  boca

the problem have repercussions on(Example): 
Sort lines of field Glosario

if the text of field Diccionario is:
cuando
caminemos
te
daré
un
beso
bajo
él
árbol
hasta_sacarte_un
óvulo

the command sort return:
bajo
beso
caminemos
cuando
daré
hasta_sacarte_un
te
un
árbol
él
#65523;óvulo

When really should return:
árbol
bajo
beso
caminemos
cuando
daré
él
hasta_sacarte_un
óvulo
te
un

I hope that your understand my limited English. If the
mistake is my, please say me!! 

-
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 Programador I N S T E D
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Other Err

2005-08-04 Thread Luis L. Rodríguez Oro
The Handle KeyUP do not Sent when the user releases a
pressed this key: á,é,í,ó,ú,ñ

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Re: ANN: Full text justification plug-in

2005-08-04 Thread Eric Chatonet

Hi Alejandro,

A few thoughts:

1. If you specify A very helpful thingie or 2lz2 or Klaus or  
Major in my Resources Picker, you will go to the right page on the  
web :-)
(I freely admit that Klaus descriptions of his own work could be more  
precise ;-)

2. All my plugins come with a bilingual help stack...

But, seriously, it would be a big lot of work ...
Even if RevJournal would be the right place for such a challenge...

PS. Bravo for your article: I feel good when form and content are  
well designed. It's so rare!


Le 4 août 05 à 18:42, Alejandro Tejada a écrit :


on Thu, 4 Aug 2005
Klaus Major wrote:



Jim
did i already mention that my wonderful 2lz2
plugin has an extra menu
for these kind of things?
Not?
OK,  my wonderful 2lz2 plugin has an extra menu
for these kind of
things :-)
Get it from my website or here the direct link:
http://www.major-k.de/staxx/2lz2.mc.zip



Did you know what is needed in this platform?

A website that review every stack that every
developer publish in the web, with screenshots,
movies and explanations about their uses and
functions.

Maybe if Richard Gaskin could organize a two person
team for doing this work in RevJournal... ;-)



Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.

So Smart Software

For institutions, companies and associations
Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc.
Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch

Free plugins and tutorials on my website

Web sitehttp://www.sosmartsoftware.com/
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Re: ANN: Full text justification plug-in 2lz2

2005-08-04 Thread Jim Hurley


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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 16:42:48 +0200
From: Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: ANN: Full text justification plug-in
To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed

Hi Jim and Yves and all,

(snip)
 

 Tip:
 This is a very valuable way to access a lot of useful utilities for 
 any control (cards, fields, buttons, graphics, etc.) It works 
 whether the pointer of browse tool is selected. When I open Rev the 
 three finger of my left hand configure themselves automatically to 
 permit this keyboard action.


 Jim


did i already mention that my wonderful 2lz2 plugin has an extra menu
for these kind of things?

Not?

OK,  my wonderful 2lz2 plugin has an extra menu for these kind of 
things :-)


Get it from my website or here the direct link:

http://www.major-k.de/staxx/2lz2.mc.zip


Best

Klaus Major
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.major-k.de



Klaus,

Sorry, Klaus. I missed this. So much on the list.

Very nice. Lots of useful functions.

I was confused at first. It doesn't open as a palette. And in the 
Actions, what is the mouse stack? Think I'm missing something here.


Jim
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Re: article on osnews about RB...

2005-08-04 Thread Dan Shafer
My guess is that it's greater than a 10:1 ratio. More like 20 or 30  
times. But RB's been at it a lot longer and has the advantage of  
promoting a language seen as mainstream.


The size of installed base affects book publishers but magazines  
typically publish reviews and articles about even sort of backwater  
products. Rev has actually had several published; I know because I've  
written a few for them.



On Aug 4, 2005, at 9:38 AM, Lynch, Jonathan wrote:


My guess is that Rev has like a tenth of the number of users as RB.

I really don't know, and the size of Rev's user base is apparently  
a secret, but I bet we have less users and thus less exposure.






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Re: ANN: Full text justification plug-in 2lz2

2005-08-04 Thread Klaus Major

Hi Jim,


...
did i already mention that my wonderful 2lz2 plugin has an extra  
menu

for these kind of things?
Not?
OK,  my wonderful 2lz2 plugin has an extra menu for these kind  
of things :-)

Get it from my website or here the direct link:
http://www.major-k.de/staxx/2lz2.mc.zip


Best

Klaus Major
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.major-k.de


Klaus,

Sorry, Klaus. I missed this. So much on the list.


really no need to excuse :-)


Very nice. Lots of useful functions.
I was confused at first. It doesn't open as a palette.


Oh, sorry, i thought i put this into the stackscript.
But you can use the plug-in manager to open it as a palette.

And in the Actions, what is the mouse stack? Think I'm missing  
something here.


This is a wonderful thing actually ;-)

the mousestack = the stack that is currently under the cursor
the mousecontrol = the control that is currently under the cursor

Check the docs for more info about these very helpful items.


Jim


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Re: Decompile Windows RR application

2005-08-04 Thread Dan Shafer

H.

I'm glad this worked but does the fact that it is so (relatively)  
easy and straightforward to decompile a compiled application bother  
anyone in terms of marketability issues for Rev?


Or am I just overly paranoid?


On Aug 4, 2005, at 1:29 AM, Ton Kuypers wrote:


GREAT!!
This one worked, saved me a lot of work!

Tnx

Ton

On 3-aug-05, at 23:38, Pat Trendler wrote:



Ton,

This was on the list some time ago, can't remember who, I think it  
was Monte.


I've used this myself a couple of times.

on mouseUp
 answer file Standalone
 if it is cancel then exit to top
 put url (binfile:it) into tStack
 repeat forever
 -- there's more than one stackfile in there which isinteresting ;-)
   put offset(#!/bin/sh,char 10 to -1 of tStack) into tOff
   if tOff = 0 then exit repeat
   put char tOff+9 to -1 of tStack into tStack
 end repeat
 ask file Stack
 if it is cancel then exit to top
 set the fileType to RevoRSTK
 put tStack into url (binfile:it)
 answer conversion finished with OK
end mouseUp

When finished rename the stack with a rev extension.

Pat
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Subject: Decompile Windows RR application





Hi gang,

I've had a disk-crash a couple of months ago and lost almost all   
files on that disk.
Among the lost files is also the RR source of a program I've  
created.  The only thing I have is the windows exe file.


Is there a way to decompile this back to a working RR project  
(or  even just parts of it) or do I just start all over again?


Ton Kuypers

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Re: Decompile Windows RR application

2005-08-04 Thread Klaus Major

Hi Dan,


H.

I'm glad this worked but does the fact that it is so (relatively)  
easy and straightforward to
decompile a compiled application bother anyone in terms of  
marketability issues for Rev?


Or am I just overly paranoid?


I don't think so IF this does work with password protected stacks ;-)


Regards

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Re: ANN: Full text justification plug-in

2005-08-04 Thread Alejandro Tejada
Hi Klaus and Eric, :-)

Klaus Major wrote answering to alejandro:

AT  Did you know what is needed in this platform?
AT  A website that review every stack that every
AT  developer publish in the web, with screenshots,
AT  movies and explanations about their uses and
AT  functions.
AT  Maybe if Richard Gaskin could organize a two
AT  person team for doing this work in RevJournal...


 LOL :-)
 Sissiphus is what comes to my mind immediately :-D

Did you think that it's really impossible? :-(
or 
It's impossible counting with the time of the
good people from this mail list? :-0

on Thu, 4 Aug 2005 
Eric Chatonet wrote:

 Hi Alejandro,
[snip]
 But, seriously, it would be a big lot of work ...
 Even if RevJournal would be the right place for such
 a challenge...

i agree, but it's badly needed. it's odd that
we could not agree to cover such obvious void.

 PS. Bravo for your article: I feel good when form
 and content are  
 well designed. It's so rare!

Ah thanks!... but surely you are greeting
Andre Garzia who actually wrote the
article you are referring to. ;-)

Have a nice day!

al


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Re: ANN: Full text justification plug-in

2005-08-04 Thread Klaus Major

Hi Alejandro,


Hi Klaus and Eric, :-)

Klaus Major wrote answering to alejandro:

AT  Did you know what is needed in this platform?
AT  A website that review every stack that every
AT  developer publish in the web, with screenshots,
AT  movies and explanations about their uses and
AT  functions.
AT  Maybe if Richard Gaskin could organize a two
AT  person team for doing this work in RevJournal...


LOL :-)
Sissiphus is what comes to my mind immediately :-D


Did you think that it's really impossible? :-(


no, don't think so, that was simply my first thought after reading
your proposal :-)

But that would be a heavy task!

And imagine one day it seems to be finished but then on the very same
day Eric has published another 1000 cool plugins etc... :-D


or
It's impossible counting with the time of the
good people from this mail list? :-0


Not impossible, but probably very optimistic ;-)


...
Have a nice day!

al


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Best

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Re: Drag Drop of lines within fields

2005-08-04 Thread Scott Rossi
Recently, david bovill  wrote:

 This might work for you (in your message box):
 
  go url http://www.tactilemedia.com/download/getinline.rev;
 
 Links not working for me? Can you add it to your nice download
 machine thingy?

Well, there's nothing special about the above link, but GetInLine is now
accessible via our player stack (via message box):

  go url http://www.tactilemedia.com/tmpanel.rev;

Hopefully this works for you.

Regards,

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Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia  Design
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Re: ANN: Full text justification plug-in

2005-08-04 Thread Eric Chatonet

Hi Alejandro and Andre,

I have to render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's.
So goo idea from Alejandro and good article from Andre!
Cheers to both.

Le 4 août 05 à 19:51, Alejandro Tejada a écrit :


PS. Bravo for your article: I feel good when form
and content are
well designed. It's so rare!



Ah thanks!... but surely you are greeting
Andre Garzia who actually wrote the
article you are referring to. ;-)


Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.

So Smart Software

For institutions, companies and associations
Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc.
Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch

Free plugins and tutorials on my website

Web sitehttp://www.sosmartsoftware.com/
Email[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Phone33 (0)1 43 31 77 62
Mobile33 (0)6 20 74 50 86


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Browser question???

2005-08-04 Thread Ban Nguyen
Hello,

I have question about how to hide the address bar, standard buttons and
menu bar of the user's browser.  

I have a button link to an URL.  I don't want to show the address bar,
standard buttons and menu bars

Thank for your help




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Re: ANN: Full text justification plug-in

2005-08-04 Thread Eric Chatonet

Hi Alejandro,

Another thought:

First you should ask Richard (revJournal) in order to add a plugins/ 
tutorials and so on page to RevJournal.
You could ask him (if he agrees) to let you edit this page and modify  
it from your place.
You could ask this list to send you the list of the material people  
have written with a short description and an url.

You could put it on the revJournal.
That's less imposing but seems doable and would be a great help for  
many :-)


Le 4 août 05 à 19:51, Alejandro Tejada a écrit :


Did you think that it's really impossible? :-(
or
It's impossible counting with the time of the
good people from this mail list? :-0



Best Regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.

So Smart Software

For institutions, companies and associations
Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc.
Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch

Free plugins and tutorials on my website

Web sitehttp://www.sosmartsoftware.com/
Email[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Phone33 (0)1 43 31 77 62
Mobile33 (0)6 20 74 50 86


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Re: Browser question???

2005-08-04 Thread Dan Shafer
While there might be some very convoluted way to do this in Rev or  
with system-level scripting, you'll be far better served by buying  
Altuit's excellent altBrowser plugin for Revolution and launching the  
URL there so you have complete control over the user experience.


You can buy altBrowser at the RunRev store, I believe.


On Aug 4, 2005, at 11:26 AM, Ban Nguyen wrote:


Hello,

I have question about how to hide the address bar, standard buttons  
and

menu bar of the user's browser.

I have a button link to an URL.  I don't want to show the address bar,
standard buttons and menu bars

Thank for your help




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Is it just me or are profile buggy?

2005-08-04 Thread Peter T. Evensen
I am trying to switch between two profile, for two different levels of a 
program (for skins) and it am loosing the htmltext of my fields which are 
in a group.   Has anyone else experienced oddities?


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design of radio-button choice

2005-08-04 Thread Charles Hartman
I've got a complicated dialog (too complicated! but it will look  
simple to the user I think), and I can't figure out how best to  
design it to deal with the messaging system.


This card in the dialog has a column of half a dozen check-boxes, and  
a column of a dozen or so radio buttons in a group. The user will  
click a check box (probably all of them all in turn, but in any  
order). Each time one is checked, I clear the hilite from the grouop  
of radio buttons, and the user picks one of them. (There's a right  
radio-button answer for each check-box; it's a tutorial.)


So I want is that when the user clicks a check-box, I wait until the  
user picks one of the radio buttons (or maybe until the user picks  
the correct one -- that's a detail I can decide later on UI grounds).  
What's the best way to do this? The wait command? If so, I assume  
I'd put it in the handler for each check-box, and I guess I'd have to  
make the radio-button group emit a custom message when a button (or  
the right button) is pressed. Is that right, or even close to right?


Thanks as always for any help.

Charles Hartman

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minimize the window

2005-08-04 Thread Ban Nguyen
Hello,

I am working on a customize application.  The control is set empty.  How
do you insert a customized minimize button into stack.  The close is
easy just put the code close this stack but I don't know how to do for
the minimize button.


I've looked in the dictionary and could not find it.  


Thank you for your help



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Re: cannot import a MS word file into field

2005-08-04 Thread Dan Shafer

YOu can't do this directly into a field.

For one thing, Revolution knows very little of styled text fields, so  
it is essentially impossible simply to put Word content into a Rev  
field.


And it is impossible without a huge amount of work to mix images and  
text in a field in Rev. That's what cards are for. You put text in  
fields, images in their own object spaces.



On Jul 25, 2005, at 1:42 PM, Ban Nguyen wrote:


Hello everyone,

I have a document MS word

The document has text and several images.  How can I import this doc
into the field?

I used the property inspector but it did not work

Thank you




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RE: cannot import a MS word file into field

2005-08-04 Thread Ban Nguyen

How about if I have a big image that need to scroll up and down to see
it?








YOu can't do this directly into a field.

For one thing, Revolution knows very little of styled text fields, so  
it is essentially impossible simply to put Word content into a Rev  
field.

And it is impossible without a huge amount of work to mix images and  
text in a field in Rev. That's what cards are for. You put text in  
fields, images in their own object spaces.


On Jul 25, 2005, at 1:42 PM, Ban Nguyen wrote:

 Hello everyone,

 I have a document MS word

 The document has text and several images.  How can I import this doc
 into the field?

 I used the property inspector but it did not work

 Thank you




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Re: design of radio-button choice

2005-08-04 Thread Dan Shafer
When you say wait, what do you really mean? Do you mean you want to  
force the user to click on a radio button before doing anything else?  
Or do you literally mean you want to force a delay of some sort?


Assuming the former, one easy way to do this would be to put the  
checkboxes in a group and the radio buttons in a group and then when  
the user checks a checkbox, disable the checkbox group until he  
clicks a radio button. Then in the radio button group, re-enable the  
checkbox group.


Close?

On Aug 4, 2005, at 12:38 PM, Charles Hartman wrote:

So I want is that when the user clicks a check-box, I wait until  
the user picks one of the radio buttons




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Re: cannot import a MS word file into field

2005-08-04 Thread Richard Gaskin

Dan Shafer wrote:
For one thing, Revolution knows very little of styled text fields, so  
it is essentially impossible simply to put Word content into a Rev  field.


Rev supports a wide variety of the most popular text style attributes. 
While Rev doesn't read the proprietary Word format directly, it can 
import styled text as RTF.


And it is impossible without a huge amount of work to mix images and  
text in a field in Rev. That's what cards are for. You put text in  
fields, images in their own object spaces.


The imageSrc property allows images to be displayed in fields.  There 
are merits to both a card-based and field-based presentation, depending 
on the needs of the app in question, but both are quite doable.


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RE: cannot import a MS word file into field

2005-08-04 Thread Ban Nguyen

Dan Shafer wrote:
 For one thing, Revolution knows very little of styled text fields, so

 it is essentially impossible simply to put Word content into a Rev
field.

Rev supports a wide variety of the most popular text style attributes. 
While Rev doesn't read the proprietary Word format directly, it can 
import styled text as RTF.

 And it is impossible without a huge amount of work to mix images and  
 text in a field in Rev. That's what cards are for. You put text in  
 fields, images in their own object spaces.

The imageSrc property allows images to be displayed in fields.  There 
are merits to both a card-based and field-based presentation, depending 
on the needs of the app in question, but both are quite doable.



If you use the imageSrc or group, How to print the content of that
field?I tried to use revPrintField and print command, but it did not
work.








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Re: design of radio-button choice

2005-08-04 Thread Alex Tweedly

Charles Hartman wrote:

I've got a complicated dialog (too complicated! but it will look  
simple to the user I think), and I can't figure out how best to  
design it to deal with the messaging system.


This card in the dialog has a column of half a dozen check-boxes, and  
a column of a dozen or so radio buttons in a group. The user will  
click a check box (probably all of them all in turn, but in any  
order). Each time one is checked, I clear the hilite from the grouop  
of radio buttons, and the user picks one of them. (There's a right  
radio-button answer for each check-box; it's a tutorial.)


So I want is that when the user clicks a check-box, I wait until the  
user picks one of the radio buttons (or maybe until the user picks  
the correct one -- that's a detail I can decide later on UI grounds).  
What's the best way to do this? The wait command? If so, I assume  
I'd put it in the handler for each check-box, and I guess I'd have to  
make the radio-button group emit a custom message when a button (or  
the right button) is pressed. Is that right, or even close to right?


I think when you say I wait until the user picks ... what you mean is 
I don't respond to any further clicks on the check boxes until  If 
so, then you don't need to do a wait command in a script - simply keep 
track of what your status is (maybe in a global, maybe in a custom 
property, maybelots of other ways).


Also, consider putting the check-boxes into a group, and having a single 
handler for the group 


-- group handler for all the check-boxes
on mouseUp
  if gWaitingForRadioButtonChoice then
 pass mouseUp
 end if
 -- no longer waiting - so we should respond to any clicks
  put the target into lBoxClicked
  switch lBoxClicked
   case Box1
   -- set up the radio button labels, etc.
 put true into gWaitingForRadioButtonChoice
   case Box2
   
 end switch
endmouseUp
 
and then in the radio button script,


-- handler for radio buttons
on mouseUp
   -- if this is an answer (or if correct ??)
   put false into gWaitingForRadioButtonChoice
   etc.
end mouseUp

(where gWaitingForRadioButtonChoice is, obviously, a global)



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Re: Decompile Windows RR application

2005-08-04 Thread J. Landman Gay

On 8/4/05 12:44 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:


H.

I'm glad this worked but does the fact that it is so (relatively)  easy 
and straightforward to decompile a compiled application bother  anyone 
in terms of marketability issues for Rev?


Or am I just overly paranoid?


I'll let a shrink decide that. ;) But this isn't really any different 
than anything else in Rev. If the app is not passworded, you can read 
all the scripts in a text editor. If it is, then you can't. If someone 
decompiles the app back to a stack and it is passworded, the scripts are 
still protected.


That said, I wrote my own decompiler about 5 years ago. I kept the 
information strictly to myself. It was necessary because a client had 18 
apps for me to work on, which they owned, but had lost the source 
stacks. I had to decompile.


I suspect other people may have written their own too in the past, but 
we all kept the information private. When someone released the script to 
the public I was very disappointed. So if it is paranoia, I guess it is 
shared. Even though when I think about it rationally I don't see much to 
worry about, I think it was a mistake.


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Profiles help

2005-08-04 Thread Peter T. Evensen

I have this group consisting of 3 items:

a round rect, a freehand poly (together they make a balloon), and a text label.

I have 2 profiles: LevelA and LevelB

On the group, the profiles change the rect of the group (i.e. move the 
bubble and enclosed caption).


The label field also has 2 profiles, LevelA and LevelB.  This changes the 
Content of the label (i.e., htmlText).


When I switch between the two profiles, the profiles on the field all of a 
sudden gain a rect property and the text moves farther and father outside 
of the balloon with each switch.


I delete the rect property from each profile of the field and from the 
master and it keeps appearing.


The end result is (with the results simulate din text to the right:

revSetStackProfile LevelA =(  tex)t
revSetStackProfile LevelB =   te(st  )
revSetStackProfile LevelA =( t)ext
revSetStackProfile LevelB = tes(t)
revSetStackProfile LevelA = (  )  text

I have another, identical group that doesn't behave this way.  It is almost 
like the rectangle property is being cached someplace and being reattached 
to the profiles in the text field.


Any thoughts?

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Re: Profiles help

2005-08-04 Thread Peter T. Evensen
One addendum, it appears that the group I thought was working actually 
wasn't changing the location of the group on the profile switch, so the 
text field didn't move.


This appears to be a bug: if you have a group with a profile and an object 
in the group has the same profile, the rectangles get messed up.  Has 
anyone else seen this?


At 03:24 PM 8/4/2005, you wrote:

I have this group consisting of 3 items:

a round rect, a freehand poly (together they make a balloon), and a text 
label.


I have 2 profiles: LevelA and LevelB

On the group, the profiles change the rect of the group (i.e. move the 
bubble and enclosed caption).


The label field also has 2 profiles, LevelA and LevelB.  This changes the 
Content of the label (i.e., htmlText).


When I switch between the two profiles, the profiles on the field all of a 
sudden gain a rect property and the text moves farther and father outside 
of the balloon with each switch.


I delete the rect property from each profile of the field and from the 
master and it keeps appearing.


The end result is (with the results simulate din text to the right:

revSetStackProfile LevelA =(  tex)t
revSetStackProfile LevelB =   te(st  )
revSetStackProfile LevelA =( t)ext
revSetStackProfile LevelB = tes(t)
revSetStackProfile LevelA = (  )  text

I have another, identical group that doesn't behave this way.  It is 
almost like the rectangle property is being cached someplace and being 
reattached to the profiles in the text field.


Any thoughts?

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The GENIUS of stacks

2005-08-04 Thread Chipp Walters
Dan contacted me a couple of days ago for my thoughts on Rev vs RB. Of 
course, I'm a big Rev fan and have only spent a bit of time with RB, but 
here are some observations.


I talked with my partner, Chris Bohnert about this. He's a very strong C 
programmer (wrote both altBrowsers for Mac and PC) who also works with 
VB a lot-- and frequently peruses the RB list. I've dragged him kicking 
and screaming into Rev development, and while his interfaces are nothing 
Scott Rossi would be proud of, he's been able to build some very 
complicated Linux utilties for (now happy) clients.


Here's one thing that differentiates Rev from other standard programming 
languages:


1) Rev has stacks. This often overlooked and misunderstood concept is 
pure genius from it's creators.


2) Building a self-updating application is trivial in Rev. Not so in 
other development tools. Because Rev can download and run a stack IN 
PROCESS, it makes it simple to check for an update and download it:


pseudocode:

launch splashscreen app
check for version - (ONE LINE OF CODE!)
if URL http://www.chipp.com/myversion.txt; is not equal to fld 
version of stack C:/mainstack.rev then go stack URL 
http://www.chipp.com/mainstack.rev;


to do the same in RB or others, you'd have to:

pseudocode:

launch checker app
open sockets, setup data transfer, get data, parse data, check data 
against a stored registry setting or preferences setting then if different:


download the new executable main application (because they can't load 
code IN PROCESS)


launch the main application

close the checker app

This is much more difficult and has the added disadvantage of launching/ 
maintaing 2 applications and the associated download overhead of the 
'engine' (which does not need to be downloaded in the Rev example).


3) Maintaining source is much easier as you only have a single binary 
stack to ever worry about. In the example above, the binary main stack 
is completely cross-platform (Mac/Win/Linux) and is the only source code 
necessary for the application. So, there's no need to save/compile 
different version for Windows and Macs. A huge time-saver!


3) Stacks are not only good for cross-platform application development, 
but they're also unsurpassed as a binary file structure.


For instance, say you want to save an Image, Audio file, bunch of text, 
and a video (think Premiere project). How easy is this in Rev? Just 
create a new stack, put the files in it, and save it. That's it.


create new stack multimediaFiles
create new img fred
put URL binfile:C:/title.jpg into img fred
create new fld theText
put URL file:C:/test.txt into fld theText
import videoClip from file C:/test/video.mov
import audioClip from file C:/text/audio.wav
save stack multimediaFiles as C:/test.rev

Try doing that in as few lines in ANY other authoring package! I find I 
regularly use stacks as GREAT cross-platform binary document storage. 
Not only are they great for storing data (as shown), they can also store 
any Rev object (including groups!) as well. Here's a great use of this 
feature (I'm using it now).


I've got this rather complex image editor I'm working on. Think 
Photoshop. I want to support multiple undo's but it's a real pain. 
Here's how I do it. I have a group Canvas which has all the layers of 
images and text in it. Any time I make a change to grp Canvas, I save 
a copy of the group into stack undo. Now, I can easily 'undo' as many 
steps as I need by just copying the appropriate grp from the undo stack! 
Simple :-)


Also, stacks are great for storing other things. For instance, say your 
application has a PDF help document associated with it. And say you want 
to deploy a single 'no installer' executable. If you're on Windows and 
want a single executable, it may be stored anywhere on a user's hard 
disk, how will the app know how to get and where to find the PDF doucment?


Easy, just 'suck it up' into a custom property! Then 'spit it out' when 
the user needs it.


So, during development you would:
set the uMyHelpPDF of stack myApp to URL binfile:C:/help.pdf

now, it's stored 'in the stack'. So, the next time the user presses the 
help button, it checks to see if the help.pdf file is in the same folder 
as the application:


if there is a file help.pdf then
  -- LAUNCH IT
else
  -- SPIT IT OUT
  put the uMyHelpPDF of this stack into URL binfile:help.pdf
  -- NOW LAUNCH IT
end if

Once again, just too easy! Well, there are quite a number of other 
differentiating features I could mention (especially string 'chunking') 
but hopefully the above helps some of you to think about stacks in a 
different way! Perhaps some others would like to chime in about the 
differences they see.


:-)

Chipp

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Re: minimize the window

2005-08-04 Thread Martin Baxter

A lot of people have trouble figuring that out. It's:

set the iconic of this stack to true | false

The terminology comes from Unix I believe, where what Windows calls 
minimised is known as iconified.


Martin Baxter

Ban Nguyen wrote:

Hello,

I am working on a customize application.  The control is set empty.  How
do you insert a customized minimize button into stack.  The close is
easy just put the code close this stack but I don't know how to do for
the minimize button.


I've looked in the dictionary and could not find it.  



Thank you for your help



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Re: minimize the window

2005-08-04 Thread Scott Rossi
Recently, Ban Nguyen  wrote:

 I am working on a customize application.  The control is set empty.  How
 do you insert a customized minimize button into stack.  The close is
 easy just put the code close this stack but I don't know how to do for
 the minimize button.

See the iconic property.

Regards,

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Creative Director
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Re: a peeve regarding saving scripts

2005-08-04 Thread Timothy Miller

Tim-

Wednesday, August 3, 2005, 12:52:39 PM, you wrote:

It's been Bugzilla'd and already fixed for the next release.

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Hi Mark,

Hey! Good news, two ways. First, my concern wasn't as dumb as I had 
feared. Second, it's going to be implemented.


I just downloaded Revzilla. I'll check it out before posting, next time.

Cheers,

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Re: cannot import a MS word file into field

2005-08-04 Thread Dan Shafer


On Aug 4, 2005, at 12:50 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:


Dan Shafer wrote:

For one thing, Revolution knows very little of styled text fields,  
so  it is essentially impossible simply to put Word content into a  
Rev  field.




Rev supports a wide variety of the most popular text style  
attributes. While Rev doesn't read the proprietary Word format  
directly, it can import styled text as RTF.


True, but: (1) RTF support is far from complete; and (2) images in an  
RTF file are ignored by Rev.


And it is impossible without a huge amount of work to mix images  
and  text in a field in Rev. That's what cards are for. You put  
text in  fields, images in their own object spaces.




The imageSrc property allows images to be displayed in fields.   
There are merits to both a card-based and field-based presentation,  
depending on the needs of the app in question, but both are quite  
doable.


OK, good point. When I said cards what I really intended was to say  
don't use a text field. The imageSrc property is, in my mind, a  
kludge hardly worthy of the otherwise excellent quality of the  
Transcript language. Of course, it's also possible I just don't get  
it since I'm not a graphics guy.



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Re: cannot import a MS word file into field

2005-08-04 Thread Dan Shafer

Ban

Once again, I encourage you to invest some real time to learn  
Transcript and Revolution. It seems to me you have tried to jump into  
the middle of Revolution, expecting that every time you try to do  
something that doesn't quite work as you expect, someone on this list  
will help you sort it out. That may even happen but in the long run,  
you're not going to be very happy with the experience because you  
won't really *understand* Rev or Transcript very well.


Transcript's very approachable syntax can give one the false  
impression that the tool and the language are so easy that it  
shouldn't be necessary to spend much time learning it.



On Aug 4, 2005, at 12:53 PM, Ban Nguyen wrote:



Dan Shafer wrote:


For one thing, Revolution knows very little of styled text fields, so





it is essentially impossible simply to put Word content into a Rev


field.

Rev supports a wide variety of the most popular text style attributes.
While Rev doesn't read the proprietary Word format directly, it can
import styled text as RTF.



And it is impossible without a huge amount of work to mix images and
text in a field in Rev. That's what cards are for. You put text in
fields, images in their own object spaces.



The imageSrc property allows images to be displayed in fields.  There
are merits to both a card-based and field-based presentation,  
depending

on the needs of the app in question, but both are quite doable.



If you use the imageSrc or group, How to print the content of that
field?I tried to use revPrintField and print command, but it did not
work.








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Re: recursion limits

2005-08-04 Thread David Vaughan


On 04/08/2005, at 12:47, Chris Sheffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I'm talking about recursion as in calling the same handler/ 
function from within itself.  I'm guessing there could be issues  
with this if the folder to back up has a large directory structure,  
as in many sub folders and files.


Chris, several people have proposed you avoid recursion just in case.  
It was also advised that you read the thread on directory walker from  
early last year. I suggest you do the latter. I wrote (as did others)  
and use a recursive directory walker and have found no problems on  
whole disks of applications and data numbering at least a hundred  
thousand files. However, there is a gotcha in OS X and also with  
permissions on any platform, either of which can relegate you to an  
infinite loop. This may account for some of the bad experiences  
implied by other people. Alex's suggestion that you gather the entire  
file list first is a good safety measure but I suggest there are no  
other reasons to avoid the comparative speed and elegance of a  
recursive approach. We have not found limits for it.


regards
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Re: cannot import a MS word file into field

2005-08-04 Thread J. Landman Gay

On 8/4/05 5:19 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:


Once again, I encourage you to invest some real time to learn  
Transcript and Revolution. It seems to me you have tried to jump into  
the middle of Revolution, expecting that every time you try to do  
something that doesn't quite work as you expect, someone on this list  
will help you sort it out. That may even happen but in the long run,  
you're not going to be very happy with the experience because you  won't 
really *understand* Rev or Transcript very well.


Very good advice, which I was tempted to give myself a while back. Then 
I learned a little about Ban's situation, which changed my perspective a 
bit. He's been put into the awkward situation where he needs to produce 
an application very quickly, is under a deadline, doesn't know Rev well 
yet, and really does need the help. So I feel a little sorry for him. 
Hopefully we can get him past the main hurdles and later he'll have time 
to leisurely investigate Rev's nuances.


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[EMAIL PROTECTED]) Windows (*%()[EMAIL PROTECTED]

2005-08-04 Thread Mark Wieder
All-

I accidentally double-clicked on the rev icon in the titlebar of the
Windows rev toolbar (the one that brings up the system menu - move,
minimize, close) today and the IDE quit on me. I almost filed a bug on
this, but then I decided to try this on other apps. It works the same
way. I guess I've never double-clicked on the app icon before. I
suppose this must be documented somewhere.
grumble

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Re: cannot import a MS word file into field

2005-08-04 Thread Dan Shafer
Ah, well, then I understand better. I was not trying to be  
judgmental, just helpful. But maybe his boss needs to hire someone to  
do this and give Ban a break!


Dan

On Aug 4, 2005, at 4:08 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:


On 8/4/05 5:19 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:

Once again, I encourage you to invest some real time to learn   
Transcript and Revolution. It seems to me you have tried to jump  
into  the middle of Revolution, expecting that every time you try  
to do  something that doesn't quite work as you expect, someone on  
this list  will help you sort it out. That may even happen but in  
the long run,  you're not going to be very happy with the  
experience because you  won't really *understand* Rev or  
Transcript very well.




Very good advice, which I was tempted to give myself a while back.  
Then I learned a little about Ban's situation, which changed my  
perspective a bit. He's been put into the awkward situation where  
he needs to produce an application very quickly, is under a  
deadline, doesn't know Rev well yet, and really does need the help.  
So I feel a little sorry for him. Hopefully we can get him past the  
main hurdles and later he'll have time to leisurely investigate  
Rev's nuances.


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Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Windows (*%()[EMAIL PROTECTED]

2005-08-04 Thread Dan Shafer
And the software biz would be so much more fun without clients and  
customers.



On Aug 4, 2005, at 4:41 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:


Programming would be so much easier without computers.





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Re: design of radio-button choice

2005-08-04 Thread Charles Hartman
Thanks -- and to Alex, too -- I hadn't thought of grouping the check- 
boxes. I'm first going to try a simpler  more permissive approach  
and see how the user-experience feels, but if that's not satisfactory  
I'll do the second group.


But either way, there's something I still don't quite understand  
about the messaging.


I know how to find out which of a group of radio buttons has been  
pressed -- but I'm not quite clear how to know when one (any) has  
been pressed, that is, when to check the result. Do I just use a  
mouseUp handler attached to the group (of radio buttons)? That looks  
promising and I'll try it. However:


If the check-boxes are also in a group, presumably I should manage  
them from a script attached to their group, too. In a mouseUp  
handler? But their radioBehavior will be false (more than one can  
be hilited, no auto-de-hiliting), so hilitedButton won't work. How do  
I tell, in that mouseUp handler, which one was pressed?


Is there a tutorial on this stuff? I haven't seen one but I may be  
looking in the wrong place. I know it's pretty basic, but I'm  
confused. Thanks again for the patience  advice.


Charles


On Aug 4, 2005, at 3:46 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:

When you say wait, what do you really mean? Do you mean you want  
to force the user to click on a radio button before doing anything  
else? Or do you literally mean you want to force a delay of some sort?


Assuming the former, one easy way to do this would be to put the  
checkboxes in a group and the radio buttons in a group and then  
when the user checks a checkbox, disable the checkbox group until  
he clicks a radio button. Then in the radio button group, re-enable  
the checkbox group.


Close?

On Aug 4, 2005, at 12:38 PM, Charles Hartman wrote:


So I want is that when the user clicks a check-box, I wait until  
the user picks one of the radio buttons






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Re: design of radio-button choice

2005-08-04 Thread Charles Hartman

Ah! Never mind -- I just found the target() function.

Charles


On Aug 4, 2005, at 10:23 PM, Charles Hartman wrote:

Thanks -- and to Alex, too -- I hadn't thought of grouping the  
check-boxes. I'm first going to try a simpler  more permissive  
approach and see how the user-experience feels, but if that's not  
satisfactory I'll do the second group.


But either way, there's something I still don't quite understand  
about the messaging.


I know how to find out which of a group of radio buttons has been  
pressed -- but I'm not quite clear how to know when one (any) has  
been pressed, that is, when to check the result. Do I just use a  
mouseUp handler attached to the group (of radio buttons)? That  
looks promising and I'll try it. However:


If the check-boxes are also in a group, presumably I should manage  
them from a script attached to their group, too. In a mouseUp  
handler? But their radioBehavior will be false (more than one can  
be hilited, no auto-de-hiliting), so hilitedButton won't work. How  
do I tell, in that mouseUp handler, which one was pressed?


Is there a tutorial on this stuff? I haven't seen one but I may be  
looking in the wrong place. I know it's pretty basic, but I'm  
confused. Thanks again for the patience  advice.


Charles


On Aug 4, 2005, at 3:46 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:


When you say wait, what do you really mean? Do you mean you want  
to force the user to click on a radio button before doing anything  
else? Or do you literally mean you want to force a delay of some  
sort?


Assuming the former, one easy way to do this would be to put the  
checkboxes in a group and the radio buttons in a group and then  
when the user checks a checkbox, disable the checkbox group until  
he clicks a radio button. Then in the radio button group, re- 
enable the checkbox group.


Close?

On Aug 4, 2005, at 12:38 PM, Charles Hartman wrote:



So I want is that when the user clicks a check-box, I wait until  
the user picks one of the radio buttons







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RE: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Windows (*%()[EMAIL PROTECTED]

2005-08-04 Thread MisterX
blaming it on windows is illogical
Spock 

ahem... i've done that a few times and never had a crash...
how did you manage?

Sometimes, i just open a stack and rev crashes!

cheers
Xavier

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 All-
 
 I accidentally double-clicked on the rev icon in the titlebar 
 of the Windows rev toolbar (the one that brings up the system 
 menu - move, minimize, close) today and the IDE quit on me. I 
 almost filed a bug on this, but then I decided to try this on 
 other apps. It works the same way. I guess I've never 
 double-clicked on the app icon before. I suppose this must be 
 documented somewhere.
 grumble
 
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Re: The GENIUS of stacks

2005-08-04 Thread Judy Perry
Chipp,

Thanks for this elucidation.  I'm quite certain that I didn't understand
it all, but will be delighted to point these things out next time I have a
captive geek audience @;-)

One thing that did confuse me (perhaps signifying my ignorance), is
whether point (1) was supposed to be self-explanatory or whether (2) 
(3) flowed from (1)?

Judy

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Re: ANN: Full text justification plug-in

2005-08-04 Thread Richard Gaskin

Alejandro Tejada wrote:

A website that review every stack that every
developer publish in the web, with screenshots,
movies and explanations about their uses and
functions. 


Maybe if Richard Gaskin could organize a two person
team for doing this work in RevJournal... ;-)


Maybe if we bump that up a couple orders of magnitude to a 200-person 
team we might be able to handle all the cool Rev stuff out there. :)


But for getting started, remember that revJournal is the webzine of, 
for, and by Rev developers.  I'm always happy to post any 
articles/reviews/tips you care to share.


I'm a little backlogged right now (we've had some new submissions come 
in at the same time a client needs a major project finished), but please 
send anything you like whever you like and it'll get posted in the next 
update.


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Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Windows (*%()[EMAIL PROTECTED]

2005-08-04 Thread Derek Bump

MisterX wrote:

ahem... i've done that a few times and never had a crash...
how did you manage?


Mark didn't say it crashed.  He said that the IDE just quit, which is 
exactly correct.  I tried it on my WinXP machine and it worked exactly 
the same.  Double click on the titleBar icon and boom...window closes.


As far as a way to intercept it...no idea.  I will investigate! (cue the 
action music)



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Re: design of radio-button choice

2005-08-04 Thread Judy Perry
Charles,

Just a guess, but did you look at the Target?

That way you could put a mouseUp handler in the group and use either and
if-then or a menuPick conditional structure in conjunction with the
Target, e.g.,

pseudocode:

on mouseUp -- at the group level
  if the Target is whatever
  ...
end mouseUp

Will this do?  I'll admit to not having followed this thread closely :(

Judy


On Thu, 4 Aug 2005, Charles Hartman wrote:

 Thanks -- and to Alex, too -- I hadn't thought of grouping the check-
 boxes. I'm first going to try a simpler  more permissive approach
 and see how the user-experience feels, but if that's not satisfactory
 I'll do the second group.

 But either way, there's something I still don't quite understand
 about the messaging.

 I know how to find out which of a group of radio buttons has been
 pressed -- but I'm not quite clear how to know when one (any) has
 been pressed, that is, when to check the result. Do I just use a
 mouseUp handler attached to the group (of radio buttons)? That looks
 promising and I'll try it. However:

 If the check-boxes are also in a group, presumably I should manage
 them from a script attached to their group, too. In a mouseUp
 handler? But their radioBehavior will be false (more than one can
 be hilited, no auto-de-hiliting), so hilitedButton won't work. How do
 I tell, in that mouseUp handler, which one was pressed?

 Is there a tutorial on this stuff? I haven't seen one but I may be
 looking in the wrong place. I know it's pretty basic, but I'm
 confused. Thanks again for the patience  advice.

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Re: design of radio-button choice

2005-08-04 Thread Judy Perry
Rats.  Could've saved myself some typing ;-)

Judy

On Thu, 4 Aug 2005, Charles Hartman wrote:

 Ah! Never mind -- I just found the target() function.

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Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Windows (*%()[EMAIL PROTECTED]

2005-08-04 Thread Mark Wieder
MisterX-

Thursday, August 4, 2005, 8:59:46 PM, you wrote:

 ahem... i've done that a few times and never had a crash...
 how did you manage?

Rev didn't crash, it just exited. Turns out all Windows apps do this
when you double-click the title bar icon. I tried it on MSWord just
for fun.

I've never used MSWord and fun in the same sentence before...

...although, speaking of MSWord, I have noticed that if you type the
word cudgelation and request a spell check, the suggested
substitution is cud elation. Now I'm not particulary perturbed by
the fact that the word wasn't in the dictionary or possibly spelled
incorrectly, but I'm quite boggled by why cud elation is in the
MSWord default spelling dictionary and why it's the preferred option.
And I'd prefer not to even think about *what* it is.

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Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Windows (*%()[EMAIL PROTECTED]

2005-08-04 Thread Richard Gaskin

Mark Wieder wrote:

MisterX-

Thursday, August 4, 2005, 8:59:46 PM, you wrote:



ahem... i've done that a few times and never had a crash...
how did you manage?



Rev didn't crash, it just exited. Turns out all Windows apps do this
when you double-click the title bar icon. I tried it on MSWord just
for fun.

I've never used MSWord and fun in the same sentence before...

...although, speaking of MSWord, I have noticed that if you type the
word cudgelation and request a spell check, the suggested
substitution is cud elation. Now I'm not particulary perturbed by
the fact that the word wasn't in the dictionary or possibly spelled
incorrectly, but I'm quite boggled by why cud elation is in the
MSWord default spelling dictionary and why it's the preferred option.
And I'd prefer not to even think about *what* it is.


In v4 if you ran the spelling checker on childcare it suggested 
kidnapper.


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Locking messages with palettes

2005-08-04 Thread MisterX
In TAOO every message is intercepted just in case it may help...
 
Im working on my new script editor plugin and the launcher bar
then creates a new instance of the script editor window and 
palettizes it.
 
Only TAOO was detecting as an object class object (because they
share common elements). 
 
So i tried to lock messages (set the lockmessages to true) before
i do palette script editor x
 
But the TAOO interception still occured.

So i found that if i Open the stack there's no problem, the
lock messages is fine.

But if i Palette the stack, the lock messages has no effect...

Can anyone confirm this?

cheers
Xavier

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Re: design of radio-button choice

2005-08-04 Thread Chipp Walters

Charles,

You can also put a mouseUp handler in a group:

on mouseUp
  put the hiliteButton of me into tButtonNumber
  -- OR
  put the hilitedButtonName of me into tButtonName
  - OR
  put the hilitedButtonID of me into tButtonID
end mouseUp

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