Re: empty messages from fedora users list.
Gene Smith, who is working Mozilla bug 1460104, suggests changing "mail.server.default.mime_parts_on_demand" to false in Thunderbird's config editor. I tried it. It works. Messages from this list now display correctly in Thunderbird. Furthermore, messages now download significantly faster. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: empty messages from fedora users list.
(I posted this last night, but the posting seems to have gotten lost.) Last night, I submitted Mozilla bug #1460104 to address this issue. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: empty messages from fedora users list.
(replying to both Samuel and Tim) ok. I thank everyone who tried to help. Once Thunderbird 52.7 (or later) is added to the Fedora repository, and I've verified the fix to a separate Thunderbird issue, I'll try to communicate with Thunderbird people about this issue. If they suggest submitting a bug, I'll do so, and post something here with the bug number. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: empty messages from fedora users list.
Allegedly, on or about 5 April 2018, Samuel Sieb sent: > Yes, as I suspected, Evolution just grabs the whole message instead > of asking the server about the different parts. I think that means > that Thunderbird would be able to show the message without > downloading any large attachments, but Evolution will not show the > message until the whole thing is downloaded. Anyway, the Yahoo IMAP > implementation apparently doesn't like what Thunderbird is asking for > and chokes. While I know that an IMAP server *can* be asked to send the message (text portion) and separately deal with attachments (ignore or fetch), I understood this to be a rarely implemented feature (on client or server). And I'd be rather surprised that it would work with a large mail with numerous sections/attachments (such as MIME digest mail). -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.15.10-200.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu Mar 15 17:14:41 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. Linux servers are always being dæmonised... ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: empty messages from fedora users list.
On 04/05/2018 12:12 PM, home user via users wrote: I went the grep route. As best as I can determine, all personal e-mail addresses have been replaced with "[e-mail address]", all passwords have been replaced with "[password]", and my ip addresses are not in the file. I fpasted it: I forgot that the regexp would also pick up quoted lines. :-) As I recall, we're trying to compare Thunderbird and Evolution regarding two problems: * many Fedora users list digests appear to have empty bodies when displayed in Thunderbird. This seems to occur randomly. * messages are very slow to download in Thunderbird. I hope this log confirms posters' suspicions as to the causes, and provides further clues about what's happening. Yes, as I suspected, Evolution just grabs the whole message instead of asking the server about the different parts. I think that means that Thunderbird would be able to show the message without downloading any large attachments, but Evolution will not show the message until the whole thing is downloaded. Anyway, the Yahoo IMAP implementation apparently doesn't like what Thunderbird is asking for and chokes. You could try to contact Yahoo about it, but I don't have a lot of hope that they would care. You could file a request with Thunderbird to provide an option to just download the whole thing instead of trying to be smart about it. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: empty messages from fedora users list.
I went the grep route. As best as I can determine, all personal e-mail addresses have been replaced with "[e-mail address]", all passwords have been replaced with "[password]", and my ip addresses are not in the file. I fpasted it: bash.9[~]: fpaste -t "logs from Evolution run" evlog_sanitized.txt Uploading (36.0KiB)... https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/RMoST~HtWfpUPJT~GWwXnA bash.10[~]: As I recall, we're trying to compare Thunderbird and Evolution regarding two problems: * many Fedora users list digests appear to have empty bodies when displayed in Thunderbird. This seems to occur randomly. * messages are very slow to download in Thunderbird. I hope this log confirms posters' suspicions as to the causes, and provides further clues about what's happening. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: empty messages from fedora users list.
On 04/05/2018 08:48 AM, home user via users wrote: I think I got it. The log file is a mere 15 thousand lines long, and is loaded with private information. How do I quickly and easily cut this down to a reasonable size? Maybe try the other method with Evolution's logging? Otherwise, try to find out where it's accessing the email that caused the problem. If you use "less" to view the file, you can use the "/" key to search for a specific bit of text from that email. Another option is to extract just the commands that Evolution sends. Run "grep -A1 '^>' logfile > tempfile". That should be easier to sanitize and will probably also have enough information. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: empty messages from fedora users list.
I think I got it. The log file is a mere 15 thousand lines long, and is loaded with private information. How do I quickly and easily cut this down to a reasonable size? ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: empty messages from fedora users list.
On 04/04/2018 08:05 AM, home user via users wrote: 3. socat -v tcp-l:143 openssl:imap.mail.yahoo.com:993 2>evolog.txt This is the correct one. After entering that, I launched Evolution, and entered the info. for the yahoo e-mail account that I use for this list. When that was done and the account was done loading, I quitted Evolution, and then terminated the socat by entering CTRL-C in the terminal. No messages showed up in the terminal, and evolog.txt was empty. You need to change the account connection setting to use the server at localhost and the imap port 143, with no ssl or tls. If you don't do the redirection to the log file, you can see immediately if it's working or not because it will dump on the screen. You can also do "telnet localhost 143" in another terminal to make sure the socat command is correct and the imap server responds. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: empty messages from fedora users list.
I tried the socat logging 3 ways, all as root. 1. socat -v tcp-l:143 openssl:localhost:993 2>evolog.txt After entering that, I launched Evolution, and created a new local e-mail account. When that was done, I quitted Evolution, and then terminated the socat by entering CTRL-C in the terminal. No messages showed up in the terminal, and evolog.txt was empty. 2. socat -v tcp-l:143 openssl:localhost:993 After entering that, I launched Evolution, and created a new local e-mail account. When that was done, I quitted Evolution, and then terminated the socat by entering CTRL-C in the terminal. No messages showed up in the terminal. 3. socat -v tcp-l:143 openssl:imap.mail.yahoo.com:993 2>evolog.txt After entering that, I launched Evolution, and entered the info. for the yahoo e-mail account that I use for this list. When that was done and the account was done loading, I quitted Evolution, and then terminated the socat by entering CTRL-C in the terminal. No messages showed up in the terminal, and evolog.txt was empty. I'll examine the info on Evolution logging that Patrick pointed to, and then try that. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: empty messages from fedora users list.
On 04/02/2018 12:58 PM, home user via users wrote: ... socat -v tcp-l:143 openssl:your.mail.server:993 1. What do I put in for "your.mail.server"? As far as I know, I don't have one. or is that "imap.mail.yahoo.com"? Whatever you currently have as the imap server for the mail account. Probably that address. Then create an account in Evolution that connects to imap (not imaps) at "localhost". 2. I don't fully understand. What am I putting in what field? Is the account I'm to create in Evolution one that already exists somewhere or one that doesn't yet exist anywhere? You could just replace the hostname listed above with "localhost" and change it from imaps (or imap with ssl) to just imap with no ssl. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: empty messages from fedora users list.
> ... socat -v tcp-l:143 openssl:your.mail.server:993 1. What do I put in for "your.mail.server"? As far as I know, I don't have one. or is that "imap.mail.yahoo.com"? > Then create an account in Evolution that connects to imap (not imaps) at > "localhost". 2. I don't fully understand. What am I putting in what field? Is the account I'm to create in Evolution one that already exists somewhere or one that doesn't yet exist anywhere? thanks, Bill. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: empty messages from fedora users list. [CLOSED]
(junk mail filtering) I have two filters. Both are based on the "From" e-mail address only. In both cases, when a message matches, the message is first marked as read, and then deleted. Messages/digests from Fedora lists will not match the two filters. (other filtering) There is no other filtering. (pristine install) I bought the hardware new 5 years agi. It's a DIY system. I bought and installed windows-7 on it myself. With help from the Fedora community, I then installed the then-current Fedora release on it. (It's a dual-boot system.) Thunderbird and Evolution came with Fedora. Each week, I patch and scan the system. The patching was then done with "yum". More recently, it's done with "dnf upgrade --refresh". Once every roughly 6 months, I upgrade to the next release of Fedora; here too, using the "dnf" command. Any Thunderbird updates are done as a part of the weekly "dnf upgrade --refresh" or the semi-annual upgrades. My Fedora is now at 26; my Thunderbird is at 52.5.2. The only add-ons I have on Thunderbird are Shockwave Flash, the default theme, and the Lightning extension, all by default (not added by me). (I hope I understood correctly what you asked.) (looked at downloaded message) Yes. I did a "view source" on a Fedora Users list message that appeared to have an empty body. I saved it. I then viewed it as per Samuel's instructions. The message looked fine. Also as instructed by Samuel, I captured logs of a message download that then appeared to have an empty body, and posted the logs in Fedora pastebin. They're gone by now. I can re-post if you'd like. (turning off automatic Evolution) I'm using Gnome. In the "Settings" GUI, I saw no way of controlling automatic starting of apps. I have not found any command line equivalent of this Gnome GUI. In the Plasma settings GUI, in the "Personalization" group, I tried the Applications icon. No Evolution. I signed out, and logged back in to Mate, and followed your instructions to turn Evolution off. I rebooted the system and signed in to Gnome. Six Evolution processes were running. I checked “.bash_profile”, “.bashrc”. and “/etc/bashrc”. My files only start “xeyes”. I did not see “/etc/bashrc” starting Evolution. There must be some other start-up or login scripts, but I don't know about them. What are they, and where are they? Samuel: I hope to get to your “socat” logging suggestions Monday. I've been swamped for the past 2 days, and will be swamped tomorrow. thanks, Bill. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: empty messages from fedora users list.
On 03/30/2018 02:30 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Thu, 2018-03-29 at 23:48 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote: I expect that Evolution is not using the same IMAP requests as Thunderbird did. Thunderbird was getting the server to parse the email somewhat and give it the details. Evolution may just be asking the server to send it the whole thing. I don't know if Evolution has some way to log the protocol like Thunderbird, but it's not necessary. Install "socat" and run the following command as root in a terminal: socat -v tcp-l:143 openssl:your.mail.server:993 Evolution does not download the whole message unless you ask for it (e.g. by having a preview pane open). To debug IMAP: Sure, but if you look at the Thunderbird log, it asks the server to describe all the MIME parts of the email message. I'm suggesting that Evolution just asks the server to send the entire message as one chunk. CAMEL_DEBUG=imapx:io evolution >& logfile > For more on Evolution debugging, see: https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Evolution/Debugging Good to know. The suggestion I gave will also work for any other application that doesn't have a specific logging option/ Note that Evo has various preferences which can affect IMAP connections. Look in Edit->Preferences->->Receiving Options. I've only used Evolution at work because I have to connect to an Exchange server. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: empty messages from fedora users list.
On Thu, 2018-03-29 at 23:48 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote: > I expect that Evolution is not using the same IMAP requests as > Thunderbird did. Thunderbird was getting the server to parse the email > somewhat and give it the details. Evolution may just be asking the > server to send it the whole thing. I don't know if Evolution has some > way to log the protocol like Thunderbird, but it's not necessary. > Install "socat" and run the following command as root in a terminal: > socat -v tcp-l:143 openssl:your.mail.server:993 Evolution does not download the whole message unless you ask for it (e.g. by having a preview pane open). To debug IMAP: CAMEL_DEBUG=imapx:io evolution >& logfile For more on Evolution debugging, see: https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Evolution/Debugging Note that Evo has various preferences which can affect IMAP connections. Look in Edit->Preferences->->Receiving Options. poc ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: empty messages from fedora users list.
I expect that Evolution is not using the same IMAP requests as Thunderbird did. Thunderbird was getting the server to parse the email somewhat and give it the details. Evolution may just be asking the server to send it the whole thing. I don't know if Evolution has some way to log the protocol like Thunderbird, but it's not necessary. Install "socat" and run the following command as root in a terminal: socat -v tcp-l:143 openssl:your.mail.server:993 Then create an account in Evolution that connects to imap (not imaps) at "localhost". When it connects, you will get a full log of the protocol. You might want to log to a file instead. You can do that by adding "2> my.log.file" to the end of the socat command which redirects the stderr output to the file. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: empty messages from fedora users list. [CLOSED]
Allegedly, on or about 29 March 2018, home user via users sent: > Earlier this afternoon, from Thunderbird running on a windows-7 box, > I sent 2 messages from yahoo account #1 to yahoo account #2, each > with different few-megabyte (not mega-pixel) picture attached. I > also sent 1 message from yahoo account #1 to yahoo account #3; it had > one few-megabyte picture attached (different from the 2 sent to yahoo > account #2). > > 1. I booted up my Fedora workstation. > 2. As soon as it was ready, I logged in. > 3. As soon as that was done, I launched Evolution. > 4. As soon as that was done, I signed in to yahoo account #2. > 5. As soon as that was done, I selected the one of the new messages > from yahoo account #1. It downloaded in under 5 seconds. Sounds reasonable. > 6. I then immediately asked to display the picture in "xv". The > picture was immediately displayed. Again, good. Evolution is quite quick at decoding enclosed/attached files > ...[snip similar events]... > In Thunderbird, these downloads would have taken over half an hour. Definitely not right. I might expect a few seconds difference between some mail programs, nothing more. > Other things that I notice in Thunderbird: > * Sending a message with an attached picture is a few times faster > than downloading a message with an attached picture. This is despite > my ISP's download speed being about 10 times faster than the upload > speed. Do you have junk filtering (and similar things) enabled? They can slow things down (not by that amount, though), as each message is checked. There'd probably be some remote access involved, too, with databases of anti-spam information. > * Downloading a Sent folder message with an attached picture is > clearly faster that downloading an Inbox message with an attached > picture. Do you also have filtering rules? (e.g. Auto-sorting mail into different folders.) Some programs are extremely slow when filtering incoming mail. > * Downloading a new or very recent Inbox message with an attached > picture seems to be faster than downloading an old Inbox message with > an attached picture. Probably due to caching. There'd be a brief check to see whether you already have the data, whether your data is the same as the servers, then you'll just view your previously cached data. > Evolution never showed any messages as having empty bodies. (yahoo > account #2 is the account to which Fedora users list messages are > sent.) Most such messages do show up as having empty bodies in > Thunderbird (the issue of this thread). So the problem is not just > yahoo e-mail; it's not the operating system or display manager. That > leaves Thunderbird at least in part. There definitely seems to be at > least two problems here. I can't recall if you said whether you had a pristine install. (Fedora as a new install or over an old install. Thunderbird as it comes, or with extra add-ons installed, etc.) Nor whether you'd looked at the raw message source, to see whether it'd been downloaded and simply wasn't being rendered in the viewing window. I know that, at times, you do get mangled mail, and some mail clients are better at handling that than others. Multi-part mail (such as large digests) are probably going to be the worst culprits. > > Tim: > Evolution apparently starts some processes either on boot-up or on > login. I did not put anything in my login scripts. Where are these > processes being launched? I'm using MATE: System menu, Preferences sub-section, Personal sub-sub-section, Startup Applications menu item Or, from the command line: mate-session-properties Old Gnome 2 was virtually the same. KDE will have a similar feature, likewise with some other desktop environments. In the startup applications, there's an Evolution Alarm Notify app. That'll partially fire up Evolution as you login to a session. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.15.10-200.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu Mar 15 17:14:41 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. Evolution keeps on telling me that it's refreshing, but I still want to go and get a drink. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: empty messages from fedora users list. [CLOSED]
Earlier this afternoon, from Thunderbird running on a windows-7 box, I sent 2 messages from yahoo account #1 to yahoo account #2, each with different few-megabyte (not mega-pixel) picture attached. I also sent 1 message from yahoo account #1 to yahoo account #3; it had one few-megabyte picture attached (different from the 2 sent to yahoo account #2). 1. I booted up my Fedora workstation. 2. As soon as it was ready, I logged in. 3. As soon as that was done, I launched Evolution. 4. As soon as that was done, I signed in to yahoo account #2. 5. As soon as that was done, I selected the one of the new messages from yahoo account #1. It downloaded in under 5 seconds. 6. I then immediately asked to display the picture in "xv". The picture was immediately displayed. 7. I closed the xv display, and selected the other new message. It downloaded in under 5 seconds. 8. I then immediately asked to display the picture in "xv". The picture was immediately displayed. 9. I then logged in to yahoo account #3. 10. As soon as that was done, I selected the new messagesfrom yahoo account #1. It downloaded in under 5 seconds. 11. I then immediately asked to display the picture in "xv". The picture was immediately displayed. In Thunderbird, these downloads would have taken over half an hour. Other things that I notice in Thunderbird: * Sending a message with an attached picture is a few times faster than downloading a message with an attached picture. This is despite my ISP's download speed being about 10 times faster than the upload speed. * Downloading a Sent folder message with an attached picture is clearly faster that downloading an Inbox message with an attached picture. * Downloading a new or very recent Inbox message with an attached picture seems to be faster than downloading an old Inbox message with an attached picture. Evolution never showed any messages as having empty bodies. (yahoo account #2 is the account to which Fedora users list messages are sent.) Most such messages do show up as having empty bodies in Thunderbird (the issue of this thread). So the problem is not just yahoo e-mail; it's not the operating system or display manager. That leaves Thunderbird at least in part. There definitely seems to be at least two problems here. Samuel: I understand that the logs gave no hint of a problem. But could it be that there is a problem, but there are no "debug" statements in that part of the code? Is a more detailed logging level available? Tim: Evolution apparently starts some processes either on boot-up or on login. I did not put anything in my login scripts. Where are these processes being launched? thanks, Bill. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: empty messages from fedora users list. [CLOSED]
Allegedly, on or about 26 March 2018, home user sent: > I tried Evolution several times over the last few days. Fedora users > lists show up just fine. Downloads seem almost instantaneous. > > I used Thunderbird to send a 5+megabyte (not megapixel) picture as an > attachment to an e-mail to myself (but different e-mail account). > The upload of the message and attached picture took well less than > one minute. I later signed into that second e-mail account in > Evolution, selected that message, and displayed the picture. Almost > instantaneous. (In Thunderbird, the download would take almost an > hour!) Have you tried: Setting up a new login to your computer (a completely unconfigured one), logging into it and setting up Thunderbird as a pristine user, and running some test posts that way. > I notice that in Evolution, when I do File->Quit, a "ps -ef" > afterwards shows Evolution is still running. It's one of those "office" applications, which do more than just mail. There's a calendar feature, for example. Not that I use it, but I presume that it'll pop up reminders without you having to run Evolution to see if you have any appointments. It hasn't seemed to be a problem for me (it running something all the time), in all the years that I've been running Evolution on several underpowered PCs. But I know what you mean about apps that keep on running when you thought you had quit them. Thunderbird does the same thing, if I run it on a friend's Mac. It constantly runs in the background. It's keeping tabs on whether any new mail has arrived (the launch icon has a number of unread messages superimposed on it, that it keeps updating). It probably is doing the calendar thing, too. > I also don't know if Evolution is storing messages or attachments > locally. Was that 5+ megabyte picture downloaded and stored while I > was doing something else? So I don't know if the above test has any > real validity. If you use POP3 and download messages, it will (store them). IMAP will only temporarily cache things, like a web browser does (as you browse through the web, things get locally stored, but not permanently). But, from what I can see, it's not the huge long-lived cache that web browsers do. If I look through ~/.local/share/evolution/mail/ there's 376kB in there, I have no POP3 accounts in use and no mail stored locally in Evolution (the local folders content). If I look through ~/.cache/evolution/ there's 111MB. This is where it's caching IMAP mail (mostly this is just my inbox), I've got years of mail on my IMAP server, many many more megabytes than that, but in other folders. It's only caching the stuff I've recently read (unsure what the time period it caches for it). The mail folders that I haven't looked in for a while have just a few kB cached (which is mostly just the bit of info about the folder, itself). One gotcha with Evolution (and other similar clients), is that you can set up the inbox to only show recent messages. They're still there in the inbox, just not listed. So your inbox can become huge if you don't periodically delete mail, or shift it to another folder. But it is handy feature to just see the most recent mail, by default, and still be able to find last weeks prior message without a huge hunt. If you want to force Evolution to quit, there are command line options to make it do so (which could be put into a "quit, dammit" desktop icon). -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.15.10-200.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu Mar 15 17:14:41 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. Linux cures Windows pains. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: empty messages from fedora users list. [CLOSED]
I did the comcast speed test twice. I got download speeds of 66-68 Mbps and upload speeds of about 6.6 Mbps. I tried Evolution several times over the last few days. Fedora users lists show up just fine. Downloads seem almost instantaneous. I used Thunderbird to send a 5+megabyte (not megapixel) picture as an attachment to an e-mail to myself (but different e-mail account). The upload of the message and attached picture took well less than one minute. I later signed into that second e-mail account in Evolution, selected that message, and displayed the picture. Almost instantaneous. (In Thunderbird, the download would take almost an hour!) All subsequent selections of that message and displays of the picture were essentially instantaneous, even after logging out of and back into the Fedora account, even after powering the workstation down and back up. I notice that in Evolution, when I do File->Quit, a "ps -ef" afterwards shows Evolution is still running. I also don't know if Evolution is storing messages or attachments locally. Was that 5+ megabyte picture downloaded and stored while I was doing something else? So I don't know if the above test has any real validity. By the way, I notice that after logging out of the Fedora account and logging into another Fedora account, Evolution from the first account is still running. That's not what I want. When I do File->Quit, I want Evolution and all its child processes to "die". Why doesn't that happen? thanks, Bill. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: empty messages from fedora users list. [CLOSED]
Allegedly, on or about 21 March 2018, home user sent: > eno1: flags=4163 mtu 1500 > inet [private?] netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast [private?] > inet6 [private?] prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x0 > inet6 [private?] prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x20 > ether [private?] txqueuelen 1000 (Ethernet) > RX packets 484153 bytes 709486540 (676.6 MiB) > RX errors 0 dropped 0 overruns 0 frame 0 > TX packets 220211 bytes 16656790 (15.8 MiB) > TX errors 0 dropped 0 overruns 0 carrier 0 collisions 0 > device interrupt 20 memory 0xf740-f742 Nothing jumps out as looking wrong. You're getting no transmission or receptions errors chalked up, neither. > I do not have a cell phone. I'm limited to what's on my work > station. It's my understanding that free yahoo e-mail is limited to > imap, pop3 cannot be used. I use POP3 to drag in my yahoo mail, but I'm using: pop.mail.yahoo.com.au I use fetchmail to drag all my mail into a local server, then use mail clients with IMAP to work through the local server. > Later this week, I'll try evolution on the e-mail account that I use > for computer things, including this list. Always a good test to try another client. > I watched the KSysGuard graph while downloading a message with a 4 > megabyte picture attached. It showed download speeds generally > between 80 and 90 KiB/s (is the 'B' bits or bytes here?). I would expect so. It's standard practice to use "b" for bits, and "B" for bytes. You should be able to work out if they're following the convention by what abbreviations they use elsewhere in the program. > While downloading a big picture from google images, it got up to > almost 4 MB/s. My ISP (comcast) provides peak download speed of > 60Mbps. 4 megabytes per second should be 32 megabits per second. Can you try a speed test from something hosted by your ISP? -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.15.7-200.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Wed Feb 28 18:01:11 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. Well somebody had to eat the last biscuit. You're just miffed that it wasn't you. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: empty messages from fedora users list. [CLOSED]
Here are the results of "ifconfig", with ip addresses replaced with "[private?]": = bash.2[~]: ifconfig eno1: flags=4163 mtu 1500 inet [private?] netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast [private?] inet6 [private?] prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x0 inet6 [private?] prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x20 ether [private?] txqueuelen 1000 (Ethernet) RX packets 484153 bytes 709486540 (676.6 MiB) RX errors 0 dropped 0 overruns 0 frame 0 TX packets 220211 bytes 16656790 (15.8 MiB) TX errors 0 dropped 0 overruns 0 carrier 0 collisions 0 device interrupt 20 memory 0xf740-f742 lo: flags=73 mtu 65536 inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 255.0.0.0 inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128 scopeid 0x10 loop txqueuelen 1000 (Local Loopback) RX packets 24 bytes 1824 (1.7 KiB) RX errors 0 dropped 0 overruns 0 frame 0 TX packets 24 bytes 1824 (1.7 KiB) TX errors 0 dropped 0 overruns 0 carrier 0 collisions 0 virbr0: flags=4099 mtu 1500 inet [private?] netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast [private?] ether [private] txqueuelen 1000 (Ethernet) RX packets 0 bytes 0 (0.0 B) RX errors 0 dropped 0 overruns 0 frame 0 TX packets 0 bytes 0 (0.0 B) TX errors 0 dropped 0 overruns 0 carrier 0 collisions 0 bash.3[~]: = No problems here, right? I do not have a cell phone. I'm limited to what's on my work station. It's my understanding that free yahoo e-mail is limited to imap, pop3 cannot be used. Later this week, I'll try evolution on the e-mail account that I use for computer things, including this list. I watched the KSysGuard graph while downloading a message with a 4 megabyte picture attached. It showed download speeds generally between 80 and 90 KiB/s (is the 'B' bits or bytes here?). While downloading a big picture from google images, it got up to almost 4 MB/s. My ISP (comcast) provides peak download speed of 60Mbps. By the way, since ifconfig shows "mtu" values, it was "mtu" I was asking about. I had never heard of "mta" except as "Metro Transit Authority". So it's good to learn e-mail-related meanings of "mta" and "mda" also; thank-you. thanks, Bill. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: empty messages from fedora users list. [CLOSED]
Allegedly, on or about 20 March 2018, Samuel Sieb sent: > If you look further up the thread past what was quoted, Tim > mentioned that it might be an MTU problem. Correct, as a thing worth checking with some of the problems described. Although, his comments about other things working may suggest it's not the cause (or, at least, not the problem with his side of the equation; yahoo may be up the spout). I use IMAP within my LAN, and find it works very well. But find that it can be a problem across the internet. If things take too long, timeouts and failures occur. And even when things aren't that bad, it can be quite tedious to use. POP3 seems better over the net, it seems far less chatty. It's mostly a continuous stream of send me messages, received it, acknowledged. IMAP gives you a list of headers (with minimal or lots of data, your choice), and sits there waiting for you to click on a message, then it gets it. Delay while you read it, server falls asleep, or has to be poked by your mail client to keep the connection alive until you read the next one. Yahoo keeps changing how you remotely access it. Most recently, they insisted on encrypted connections, and that required me to experiment with which techniques and which ports, before I got that to work. And if they're in the middle of a hack attack, their servers may be under duress. Personally, I found usenet (newsgroups) to be better at forums than mailing lists, and the client software better too. There used to be a usenet gateway to this list, I don't know if there still is. It appears to work somewhat like IMAP (you fetch list of latest headers, you only fetch the messages you want to look at). But the clients have automatic culling of old messages (if you want), so you only keep say the last couple of months cached, and they get auto-purged as time goes on. Or, they only show your preferred age range of messages, and give you a clutter-free view of what's available. With the latter option, you can easily temporarily change the settings, to find an older message. The news clients usually have better quoting than mail clients, and it's possible to post without exposing an email address. Another thing to consider is anti-spam systems getting in the way of your mail traffic. If your ISP snoops on mail, especially large/bulk mail, it may be choking. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.15.7-200.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Wed Feb 28 18:01:11 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. Linux cures Windows pains. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: empty messages from fedora users list. [CLOSED]
On 03/20/2018 03:47 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: I really rather doubt MTU is what this is about. I think what he was really asking is 'what is "MTA"' (an email-related thing). In that case, it's the Mail Transport Agent (software that moves mail between hosts using the SMTP protocol). The most common ones you see on Linux are "sendmail" and "postfix". If you look further up the thread past what was quoted, Tim mentioned that it might be an MTU problem. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: empty messages from fedora users list. [CLOSED]
On Tue, 2018-03-20 at 15:47 -0700, Rick Stevens wrote: > Finally, there's the MUA (Mail User Agent), which is essentially what > end users use to view the mail. There's tons of those, but most common > I've found on Linux are Thunderbird, claws-mail, mutt, Balsa, KDEMail, > etc. Note that it is the MUA that uses protocols such as IMAP4, POP3, > MAPI and the like. Allow me to mention Evolution, which AFAIK is the default MUA for Gnome. I don't use Gnome but I have used Evo for many years. It's also one of the few free MUAs that can talk directly to Exchange (i.e. not via Outlook Web Access), which I don't use but many people do. poc ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: empty messages from fedora users list. [CLOSED]
On 03/20/2018 11:02 AM, Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 03/20/2018 10:24 AM, home user wrote: >> Point: downloading in Thunderbird of folder structure, message >> headers, and messages (especially with attachments) are the only cases >> in which I experience slowness. Youtubes, high-resolution weather >> satellite loops, and the download phase of my weekly "dnf upgrade" all >> happen very quickly and without problems. Based on this, is anything >> other than verizon/yahoo or Thunderbird suspect? > > Unlikely. Especially given what I saw in your Thunderbird log file. > >> Question: Is a new thread needed for this? > > No. I would suggest trying another email client if you can, just to see > if it's something specific with Thunderbird and Yahoo or if it's a > general failure of Yahoo's IMAP support. Do you have an email client on > your phone? (I recommend K-9 if you don't. :-) ) > >> Question: "ifconfig" output appears to contain a few ip addresses. >> I'm very security and privacy conscious, and uneasy about posting ip >> addresses. What fields do I really need to post? > > I assume just the MTU. However, I expect your IP addresses are just > going to be the typical internal network ones anyway. > >> By the way, what is "MTU"? > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximum_transmission_unit > The largest packet size you can send on the network interface. 1500 > seems to be the standard size, but I think there's a process of checking > along the links to see if there's a smaller one along the path. If you > send a packet larger than the max MTU, it will get fragmented into > multiple pieces which can slow things down especially if one of those > pieces gets lost on the way. Or worse, in a badly implemented network, > sometimes a link will truncate or drop the packet instead of fragmenting > it. I really rather doubt MTU is what this is about. I think what he was really asking is 'what is "MTA"' (an email-related thing). In that case, it's the Mail Transport Agent (software that moves mail between hosts using the SMTP protocol). The most common ones you see on Linux are "sendmail" and "postfix". Other pieces of software in the email chain are the MDA (Mail Delivery Agent), which the MTA uses to put mail in individual users' mailboxes upon receipt. The most common one on Linux is "procmail" and the MDA typically runs on the same machine as the RECEIVING MTA. Finally, there's the MUA (Mail User Agent), which is essentially what end users use to view the mail. There's tons of those, but most common I've found on Linux are Thunderbird, claws-mail, mutt, Balsa, KDEMail, etc. Note that it is the MUA that uses protocols such as IMAP4, POP3, MAPI and the like. -- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, AllDigitalri...@alldigital.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2ICQ: 22643734Yahoo: origrps2 - -- -Overweight: When you step on your dog's tail...and it dies.- -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: empty messages from fedora users list. [CLOSED]
On 03/20/2018 10:24 AM, home user wrote: Point: downloading in Thunderbird of folder structure, message headers, and messages (especially with attachments) are the only cases in which I experience slowness. Youtubes, high-resolution weather satellite loops, and the download phase of my weekly "dnf upgrade" all happen very quickly and without problems. Based on this, is anything other than verizon/yahoo or Thunderbird suspect? Unlikely. Especially given what I saw in your Thunderbird log file. Question: Is a new thread needed for this? No. I would suggest trying another email client if you can, just to see if it's something specific with Thunderbird and Yahoo or if it's a general failure of Yahoo's IMAP support. Do you have an email client on your phone? (I recommend K-9 if you don't. :-) ) Question: "ifconfig" output appears to contain a few ip addresses. I'm very security and privacy conscious, and uneasy about posting ip addresses. What fields do I really need to post? I assume just the MTU. However, I expect your IP addresses are just going to be the typical internal network ones anyway. By the way, what is "MTU"? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximum_transmission_unit The largest packet size you can send on the network interface. 1500 seems to be the standard size, but I think there's a process of checking along the links to see if there's a smaller one along the path. If you send a packet larger than the max MTU, it will get fragmented into multiple pieces which can slow things down especially if one of those pieces gets lost on the way. Or worse, in a badly implemented network, sometimes a link will truncate or drop the packet instead of fragmenting it. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: empty messages from fedora users list. [CLOSED]
Before starting a new thread, one point and a couple of questions. Point: downloading in Thunderbird of folder structure, message headers, and messages (especially with attachments) are the only cases in which I experience slowness. Youtubes, high-resolution weather satellite loops, and the download phase of my weekly "dnf upgrade" all happen very quickly and without problems. Based on this, is anything other than verizon/yahoo or Thunderbird suspect? Question: Is a new thread needed for this? Question: "ifconfig" output appears to contain a few ip addresses. I'm very security and privacy conscious, and uneasy about posting ip addresses. What fields do I really need to post? By the way, what is "MTU"? thanks, Bill. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: empty messages from fedora users list. [CLOSED]
Allegedly, on or about 19 March 2018, William sent: > I've seen posts to closed and solved issues before, so if anyone has > something helpful, go ahead and post it, or start a new thread A thought just occurred to me: In the past, often when someone had an issue where data came through in dribs and drabs, and had transmission failures, the MTU setting on the network (your PC, your router, upstream), was often the culprit. Perhaps start a thread asking about that, see if those more familiar with it, might take a look at it from that angle. $ ifconfig enp0s31f6: flags=4163 mtu 1500 inet 192.168.1.12 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 192.168.1.255 ...[snip] -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 4.15.7-200.fc26.x86_64 #1 SMP Wed Feb 28 18:01:11 UTC 2018 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. I'd just like to say that vinyl record crackles and pops are far less annoying than digigigigital mu-u-u-u-usic hiccicicicups and yooo-u tu-be ... pauses. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: empty messages from fedora users list. [CLOSED]
If I understand Samuel's most recent response, this problem is unsolvable by us and by Thunderbird. I'm closing this. I've seen posts to closed and solved issues before, so if anyone has something helpful, go ahead and post it, or start a new thread. I'll be checking Fedora HYPERKITTY almost every day. I'll eventually see your post. thanks, Bill. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: empty messages from fedora users list.
On 03/16/2018 12:53 PM, William Mattison wrote: That worked. Thank-you Samuel. The log is here: "https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/07xQurGCBVjXYes1PUleiw"; I'll add that this bug is partially random. I only see the problem (and other problems) on messages with attachments. But the problem does not always show up on messages with attachments. To me, it seems random in that respect. All digests from the Fedora users list have html attachments. I've had the problem most severely with messages that have attached pictures (such as JPEG attachments). In many such cases, I get numerous occurrences of the "[NOTAVAILABLE] UID FETCH Server error", and the attachments arrive corrupted. The problem also seems more likely to occur with older messages. It looks like a problem with their server. Thunderbird asks for summary information about the email and gets it. But when it tries to get the content, the server says it doesn't exist! Not much that Thunderbird can do about that. To answer the question You're using IMAP, so why would you use this setting? Are you saying that you're using shared accounts and workstations? No. One home workstation, two operating systems, and 6 logins. But they're all mine. I don't keep things on my workstation because there are thousands of messages, and I estimate they would take gigabytes of storage. That's certainly possible, but at least you would be able to read them. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: empty messages from fedora users list.
That worked. Thank-you Samuel. The log is here: "https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/07xQurGCBVjXYes1PUleiw"; I'll add that this bug is partially random. I only see the problem (and other problems) on messages with attachments. But the problem does not always show up on messages with attachments. To me, it seems random in that respect. All digests from the Fedora users list have html attachments. I've had the problem most severely with messages that have attached pictures (such as JPEG attachments). In many such cases, I get numerous occurrences of the "[NOTAVAILABLE] UID FETCH Server error", and the attachments arrive corrupted. The problem also seems more likely to occur with older messages. This problem started with Fedora users list messages on March 08. But I've been experiencing problems with messages having attached photos for many weeks. I was also able to get a log for my other (March 06) thread "Thunderbird issue (OT)." It's here: "https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/UmtcWch07hlEUUJ60vqIyA"; I'll reply in that thread to my original posting with a little more information. To answer the question > You're using IMAP, so why would you use this setting? Are you saying > that you're using shared accounts and workstations? No. One home workstation, two operating systems, and 6 logins. But they're all mine. I don't keep things on my workstation because there are thousands of messages, and I estimate they would take gigabytes of storage. thanks, Bill. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: empty messages from fedora users list.
On 03/15/2018 08:51 AM, William Mattison wrote: Tried it: bash.4[~]: export MOZ_LOG_FILE=/[myhome]/thunderbird/log bash.5[~]: export MOZ_LOG=IMAP:5,timestamp Looking through the source code, I found that the environment variables used are different now. You want "NSPR_LOG_FILE" and "NSPR_LOG_MODULES". It doesn't show the authentication lines. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: empty messages from fedora users list.
On 03/15/2018 08:51 AM, William Mattison wrote: What I was suggesting... KSysGuard shows that yahoo feeds data to Thunderbird in very teeny chunks. A message with an attached photo took about an hour to download yesterday. I also access my e-mail from multiple workstation accounts and operating systems. So some time ago, I set all my e-mail accounts to *** not *** keep messages on my workstation. That is, "Message Synchronizing": "Keep messages for this account on this computer" is unchecked. So messages have to be re-downloaded after every Thunderbird launch and account sign-in. You're using IMAP, so why would you use this setting? Are you saying that you're using shared accounts and workstations? bash.10[thunderbird]: thunderbird & (I assume putting it in the background makes no difference in the logging.) I tried it a few times. I saw the same misbehavior as yesterday, but the log file remained empty. I also tried it without the ampersand. The log file is empty. There are no subdirectories or other files in "/[myhome]/thunderbird/". I'll give it a try later. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: empty messages from fedora users list.
> What I was suggesting... KSysGuard shows that yahoo feeds data to Thunderbird in very teeny chunks. A message with an attached photo took about an hour to download yesterday. I also access my e-mail from multiple workstation accounts and operating systems. So some time ago, I set all my e-mail accounts to *** not *** keep messages on my workstation. That is, "Message Synchronizing": "Keep messages for this account on this computer" is unchecked. So messages have to be re-downloaded after every Thunderbird launch and account sign-in. > In a terminal Yes, I use IMAP. Tried it: bash.4[~]: export MOZ_LOG_FILE=/[myhome]/thunderbird/log bash.5[~]: export MOZ_LOG=IMAP:5,timestamp ... bash.10[thunderbird]: thunderbird & (I assume putting it in the background makes no difference in the logging.) I tried it a few times. I saw the same misbehavior as yesterday, but the log file remained empty. I also tried it without the ampersand. The log file is empty. There are no subdirectories or other files in "/[myhome]/thunderbird/". ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: empty messages from fedora users list.
On 03/14/2018 07:38 PM, William Mattison wrote: I saved that [etc.] That does work. Good, so that means that Thunderbird does eventually get the whole intact message and can read it. ... Try closing ... cough gag cough cough choke gag cough On March 06, I started a thread titled "Thunderbird issue (OT).". I never saw any replies. The problem remains completely unsolved. Actually, it's now worse! I've experienced that problem a few times today. So what you suggest has already been tried. ... a few times. ...even with a full power-down re-boot between 2 of the tries. It did not work. It can take quite a few tries (almost half an hour!) before I finally get a successful sign-in. What I was suggesting was just to reopen Thunderbird and see if the message that you have already downloaded can be viewed. Maybe put Thunderbird in offline mode before restarting it. I suspect that something to do with the download problems is causing the blank message. I don't fully understand. I viewed and saved the source, then we both successfully loaded that source back into Thunderbird and saw the message properly displayed. So the message source was downloaded without corruption. I agree with you in suspecting a connection between the download error messages and the blank-looking display. But what would be that connection? Is there anything I can do to fix it? I don't know. I'm just suspecting that something in Thunderbird is getting confused with all the errors, maybe an index file or something like that. I found some information that should help you debug the connection problems. The following assumes that you have successfully connected and are just having trouble authenticating or downloading email. I'm also assuming you are using IMAP. If it's POP3, then substitute "POP3" for "IMAP" in the following instructions. In a terminal enter "export MOZ_LOG_FILE=/path/to/logfile", then "export MOZ_LOG=IMAP:5,timestamp". Then run "thunderbird". When you run into the problem, close thunderbird and check the logfile. If there is any actual authentication info or other private info in it, edit it to remove that. Then upload the log somewhere. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: empty messages from fedora users list.
> I saved that [etc.] That does work. > ... Try closing ... cough gag cough cough choke gag cough On March 06, I started a thread titled "Thunderbird issue (OT).". I never saw any replies. The problem remains completely unsolved. Actually, it's now worse! I've experienced that problem a few times today. So what you suggest has already been tried. ... a few times. ...even with a full power-down re-boot between 2 of the tries. It did not work. It can take quite a few tries (almost half an hour!) before I finally get a successful sign-in. > I suspect that something to do with the download problems is causing the > blank message. I don't fully understand. I viewed and saved the source, then we both successfully loaded that source back into Thunderbird and saw the message properly displayed. So the message source was downloaded without corruption. I agree with you in suspecting a connection between the download error messages and the blank-looking display. But what would be that connection? Is there anything I can do to fix it? thanks, Bill. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: empty messages from fedora users list.
On 03/14/2018 04:57 PM, William Mattison wrote: ok, I figured out how to get the message into the Fedora paste site. It can be viewed here: "https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/LvQNrf-2pwpvnXbWWxOmow";. I saved that to a file and Thunderbird opened it with no problem. Try that yourself. You will probably have to change the dropdown in the bottom right of the open dialog to be "all files" instead of "mailbox". I suspect that something to do with the download problems is causing the blank message. Try closing Thunderbird and open it again. See if the messages are visible after that. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: empty messages from fedora users list.
ok, I figured out how to get the message into the Fedora paste site. It can be viewed here: "https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/LvQNrf-2pwpvnXbWWxOmow";. thanks, Bill. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: empty messages from fedora users list.
On 03/14/2018 04:43 PM, William Mattison wrote: I saved the "View source" window contents as a text file. What is now the best way to get that file onto Fedora's paste bin? Last time I tried that (last summer), it didn't work well. Making the whole message available might be better than me trying to guess what would be helpful in diagnosing this problem. Just run "fpaste file" and it will post the text and return a URL. I think fpaste is installed by default, but if not, then "dnf install fpaste". ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: empty messages from fedora users list.
I saved the "View source" window contents as a text file. What is now the best way to get that file onto Fedora's paste bin? Last time I tried that (last summer), it didn't work well. Making the whole message available might be better than me trying to guess what would be helpful in diagnosing this problem. Part of what I'm hoping you can help me with is why I'm getting those error messages, what's really going on, and what I can do about it. thanks, Bill. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: empty messages from fedora users list.
Patrick, I am using the "fedora HYPERKITTY" web interface for all my posts to this thread. But the e-mail address for my Fedora users list is a yahoo e-mail address. Bill. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: empty messages from fedora users list.
On 03/14/2018 02:51 PM, William Mattison wrote: The header looks fine and there should be 33KB of content. When you view source do you see the message body? yes. In "View source", I see 759 lines of stuff. But most looks like "meta-data", not message body that I would expect to see in the Thunderbird window. The first blank line is line 65, so the header is 64 lines long. Can you copy and paste a bit of it here. I don't know if this helps, but when messages that look blank in the Thunderbird window are downloading, the following error message shows just below the Gnome black bar at the top of the screen (in which the current date-time is displayed): == Thunderbird The current operation on 'Inbox' did not succeed. The mail server for account [my e-mail address] responded: [UNAVAILABLE] UID FETCH Server error while fetching messages. == This error message shows up multiple times per empty-looking e-mail message. Each failed download takes over a minute. Well, that seems likely to be the problem. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: empty messages from fedora users list.
On 03/14/2018 04:05 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Just so you both know, only Samuel's side of this conversation is reaching me via the list. Can I assume that William is using Yahoo and my Gmail account is throwing away his side, or is something else going on? Yes, he has a Yahoo email account. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: empty messages from fedora users list.
On Wed, 2018-03-14 at 13:10 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 03/14/2018 12:58 PM, William Mattison wrote: > > Using the "View source" function, here between the lines of '=' is the > > header (copied and pasted): [...] Just so you both know, only Samuel's side of this conversation is reaching me via the list. Can I assume that William is using Yahoo and my Gmail account is throwing away his side, or is something else going on? poc ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: empty messages from fedora users list.
> The header looks fine and there should be 33KB of content. When you > view source do you see the message body? yes. In "View source", I see 759 lines of stuff. But most looks like "meta-data", not message body that I would expect to see in the Thunderbird window. The first blank line is line 65, so the header is 64 lines long. I don't know if this helps, but when messages that look blank in the Thunderbird window are downloading, the following error message shows just below the Gnome black bar at the top of the screen (in which the current date-time is displayed): == Thunderbird The current operation on 'Inbox' did not succeed. The mail server for account [my e-mail address] responded: [UNAVAILABLE] UID FETCH Server error while fetching messages. == This error message shows up multiple times per empty-looking e-mail message. Each failed download takes over a minute. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: empty messages from fedora users list.
On 03/14/2018 12:58 PM, William Mattison wrote: Using the "View source" function, here between the lines of '=' is the header (copied and pasted): = Content-Length: 33542 = The header looks fine and there should be 33KB of content. When you view source do you see the message body? Did you copy and paste that? There should be a colon [etc.] No. The only way of showing you the displayed header (from the message pane, not from the "View source" display) is by manually typing what I saw. I did, and do, not see any colons in the displayed header. I even looked with a magnifying glass. Oh, I misunderstood what that was. I thought you were copying from the actual headers, but you were showing what was in the top part of the Thunderbird window. Not sure what you mean by this. In the message pane display, the full subject line looks like this: Subject users Digest, Vol 169, Issue 74 05:45 AM Now that I know what you were describing, I understand. Yes, Thunderbird puts the timestamp at the right side of the window on the same line as the subject. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: empty messages from fedora users list.
Hi Samuel, Using the "View source" function, here between the lines of '=' is the header (copied and pasted): = X-Apparently-To: mattison.compu...@yahoo.com; Wed, 14 Mar 2018 11:45:33 + Return-Path: Received-SPF: pass (domain of lists.fedoraproject.org designates 209.132.181.2 as permitted sender) X-YMailISG: 7zYIUBAWLDvaXm1iC_be37bYsn7FF1qt0Knq5KDGf8tSnT7A 1Mx.xwNKSzMDI0HLsumT4twi2opNu.5Dx_5h6q52wE7ANMEkNa_haBRZl4RI qacOK6H1eYSKcBHI4wOzcqKH7gLEzdUT9G2lZSW10N7Cv18o23muP2aFlyNl 0nUZOb06Gr1HluGcFsUx71Ee73r08c0WS7txIo5x4lHIR45tjmd3eLsdTImJ 48EQMNb_WZYuQjq5oc9dhlqmE8QFFAkBpZSD0PYqBgWxC2.l6uPhttJIbO7Q d5Jr.Lu92vGmMG9N9V8viNzd5._g_UH9ChMrV0zKxMQIggWVv34KYhXJxJwa FnUiS2ZQ34l1DfnegvwVb30w_jkd32G8Jlxlu344aU2IgREMFmXnUwo_wV8L ZcbfnafVLK3b5R6pEsp33qoGRM.DL2bZ6oaECpTVamUJaiPjGW39bMI41y7p uP_o.etBg_Wqdg06KO0QevzYfrKtxuqQMPMnf8NIkdnY1LUrKqKRSpTHfbF8 g1kx4B_tDBxKKQms4oRA0LXRsqMWEvSWtpQyXNICsXe7KAiGqHS.pDYcjrQi 0vZ621tJXe5YDqKL5JLVKdTOnw8DI98fKQYM0v3HSPlZRxPYlJaeqv9IOhVK mnv7LmcfJvUcHnakLumqUbYr0BVv.x7ZkPY9uwyHPHAy.DtSzYTY7wny9pPj eGzFt3hkxor52l2G5STMI.4ILIv3J53Z0WbZHQA9CPzioKxlj6_OGNPWxAME WfsPodTOfCFv9yRb7T0QLYf19TP57E.Lq7qBZrbyPH9YowhcItRVu1eDXgcl .nAoCUe3jgUFY61fvTHPcpitgGIXqAPDzvOeevRs_Tw9OlklKwiaWMHGFXkh .10NiEso_Le6Tl5qyp4I5tn0FHB.p0eau8BoKSkNqh2LaL3zMJYKeovloSqn 003TyjE9iVKIvzyf5ckoK0GaLlYehdafzzN44AoQLTV6JhN_wuv7sxQ85w0P PlZB1XHYiRZUwZiRNLSE7zq5scZDaZfY._Ke2fwR0cJQnVmKFOM.KyATVnjs KhPVk5GDkQE0EXBqPEEfW8rQSfyNFZ9gHAOuDTNm86indtGU3MNYKcdN.Won eCzAsGDnJHHMhR4yFOtGT4jIDO808IeQnTaP2JESKiAlNVR0fo9EsHgHdtXa 4yPR_h8NB0B7lt6KVPv94MftkNtEM1zBEq1JUVg4EvZldf6wYKPH09DIixFL _w.UowoHGJjL4PRan.BUuaR30tX1nhxMvqISE4Tt2nX8U.FNFKRRzZGaHMXJ vj4S7NUFIsBKSD13MDV5xJoGAgPpeQfROza5TaSps4MO_lHw2P0DbB.laK6i AbUtESosON2TmZbsxR3kLvv0QgkNiHYh_J9fLp29HGA2dmVk65wNwGcNIlgG Mb8.fkcZvhPnW_P9djUAfStsMEeMz4vxMisOJSs11Oiq2vGYjirV7zyIGlJe 5nbZnsvoNqW6ebVCN7mbsuhxt9q.lM3l7AW9nJ3ZnFq9XcRWlRTNChWjr7no K6M9HLyXFXgV5foajSjTQusV5UjwCN.VL_29m1oSKlinfF7J0nkj6crbq3VB tefiVB3WXfDD0kPURgefwvkVCI9jrRKfkkbZJjqul1mSqqKnmmkXsdZD7f4K 0kpLd0clafjas6_Fl5rRl7RwOrJ0FzqxmWVjm9iQdunHlmbbAHZTTDZrJxPb hJxMo2GrkDe6aF4k1Fn4ygUH7ePENnTIAmc5wq7aTb3arVtV_tcACIf64lJe DOeRjO0BtoQu3iTCsCpr X-Originating-IP: [209.132.181.2] Authentication-Results: mta4186.mail.gq1.yahoo.com from=lists.fedoraproject.org; domainkeys=neutral (no sig); from=fedoraproject.org; dkim=pass (ok) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (EHLO bastion.fedoraproject.org) (209.132.181.2) by mta4186.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTPS; Wed, 14 Mar 2018 11:45:30 + Received: from mailman01.phx2.fedoraproject.org (mailman01.phx2.fedoraproject.org [10.5.126.36]) by bastion01.phx2.fedoraproject.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19C9060BD873; Wed, 14 Mar 2018 11:45:29 + (UTC) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 bastion01.phx2.fedoraproject.org 19C9060BD873 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fedoraproject.org; s=bastion; t=1521027929; bh=TDDIE30sb8hRPs1W0pXgNMWcMopsLjWcqVdyS2SAvjQ=; h=From:Subject:To:Reply-To:Date:List-Id:From; b=yIr6IpQCdPA2kAgKS8EPYoFSheWMNimN0jVGDgDLaIClf8yKYCkY+7x0Fhh3nEbNg Bp3y0tdjXx4f0d4WovQuTH8msb0dWldljEpwwBAh0VEG8Div63x6krPuRNss4C9hOV 4hK1QPI4kF8eqLdSLW4aXJHLSDffvlt98aT5Z2TU= Received: from mailman01.phx2.fedoraproject.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by mailman01.phx2.fedoraproject.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B67882473CEEE; Wed, 14 Mar 2018 11:45:28 + (UTC) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===2203156689282690053==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: users-requ...@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: =?utf-8?q?users_Digest=2C_Vol_169=2C_Issue_74?= To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org Reply-To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 11:45:00 + Message-ID: <152102790003.10799.16018935919794161...@mailman01.phx2.fedoraproject.org> List-Id: Community support for Fedora users X-Mailman-Version: 3.1.1 Precedence: list Content-Length: 33542 = > Did you copy and paste that? There should be a colon [etc.] No. The only way of showing you the displayed header (from the message pane, not from the "View source" display) is by manually typing what I saw. I did, and do, not see any colons in the displayed header. I even looked with a magnifying glass. > It sounds like you are using the digest version of the list. Why? Correct. Personal preference. Otherwise, I get too many messages each day. > Not sure what you mean by this. In the message pane display, the full subject line looks like this: Subject users Digest, Vol 169, Issue 74 05:45 AM thanks, Bill. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: empty messages from fedora users list.
On 03/14/2018 10:46 AM, William Mattison wrote: h I did a "View source" on the most recent empty-looking message. Everything is there. The whole thing is 742 lines long. You want the top how many lines? Or how would I recognize the end of the header? The end of the header is the first blank line. What displays in the header area (below the list of messages, above where the message body displays) of Thunderbird is: From users-requ...@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject users Digest, Vol 169, Issue 74 To users@lists.fedoraproject.org Did you copy and paste that? There should be a colon after each of those first words unless that is part of the body after the header. It sounds like you are using the digest version of the list. Why? Against the right margin of the Subject line is "05:45 AM" Not sure what you mean by this. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: empty messages from fedora users list.
h I did a "View source" on the most recent empty-looking message. Everything is there. The whole thing is 742 lines long. You want the top how many lines? Or how would I recognize the end of the header? What displays in the header area (below the list of messages, above where the message body displays) of Thunderbird is: From users-requ...@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject users Digest, Vol 169, Issue 74 To users@lists.fedoraproject.org Against the right margin of the Subject line is "05:45 AM" thanks, Bill. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: empty messages from fedora users list.
On 03/14/2018 09:10 AM, William Mattison wrote: Since March 08, I've received 11 messages from this list that appear empty, including 2 so far today. I have received a few (less) not empty, none today and 3 yesterday. What's causing this problem, and how do I fix it? My e-mail client is Thunderbird 52.5.2. Since you are receiving them, they are not completely empty. Do they have subjects? What's in the headers? ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
empty messages from fedora users list.
Good morning, Since March 08, I've received 11 messages from this list that appear empty, including 2 so far today. I have received a few (less) not empty, none today and 3 yesterday. What's causing this problem, and how do I fix it? My e-mail client is Thunderbird 52.5.2. I will occasionally check the Fedora Hyperkitty for replies. thanks, Bill. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
