Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

[Marlon Schafer (509.982.2181)]

WiFi has the csmak mechanism as part of the protocol.  Basically you have to 
listen for clear air before you can talk.  If they air isn’t clear you don’t 
transmit.  With a poling mechanism you transmit no matter what, if there’s no 
acknowledgment you transmit again, no matter what.

WiFi is inherently susceptible to interference issues.  That’s how it is so 
nicely co-locateable but it’s also bad for high noise environments.

The idea that anyone will put hundreds or thousands of units on the street and 
do even an OK job of servicing the consumers with today’s protocol is funny to 
me.  It works now, but so did muni wifi not that long ago.  This too shall 
pass

marlon


From: Matt Hoppes 
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 12:32 PM
To: WISPA General List 
Cc: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

?

On Nov 27, 2013, at 14:51, "Marlon Schafer (509.982.2181)" 
 wrote:


  The other good thing is that they will (hopefully) keep using wifi where we 
can use polling mechanisms easier today so we *should* be more protected 
against the interference than we used to be with older 2.4 gig gear.
  marlon


  From: Scott Carullo 
  Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 3:52 PM
  To: Matt Hoppes ; sc...@brevardwireless.com ; WISPA General List 
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

  Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up - we all 
know things work better when its quiet.  This used to worry me a lot when I saw 
it coming, but then I realized it was already there and I had no idea until I 
just happened to scan on some radios (I don't usually install the stuff).  I'm 
not worried any more, if its not one thing it will be another any way.  Thats 
what gives us the edge every day, flexibility.  We will work around it, we 
always do.

  I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE will 
continue to work fine.  Their omni low gain antenna can't compete with a 
20-30db directional one.  Still sucks though, you drive down the street and see 
one after another running 5Ghz just knowing there probably isn't 3 connections 
in the whole city to them


  Scott Carullo
  Technical Operations
  855-FLSPEED x102





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  From: "Matt Hoppes" 
  Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:43 PM
  To: "sc...@brevardwireless.com" , "WISPA General 
List" 
  Cc: "WISPA General List" 
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.


  Are you seeing any impact from them?

  On Nov 14, 2013, at 18:03, "Scott Carullo"  wrote:


Yeah, won't matter either way with a 5Ghz AP on every street corner.  
Already seeing that in our areas  do a wireless scan and you see 354 5Ghz 
APs now in addition to the 2Ghz ones (they run dual band APs now).


Scott Carullo
Technical Operations
855-FLSPEED x102






From: "Bret Clark" 
    Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:49 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.


What could go wrong with Comcast taking up yet more 5GHz of 
spectrum...[/sarcasm off]

On 11/14/2013 01:40 PM, ralph wrote:

  I hope the links at the bottom come through.

  ---

   

  Comcast needs the FCC to open up the 5 GHz spectrum band to power 
next-generation Wi-Fi services that could allow it to deliver wireless 
broadband at speeds of up to 1 Gbps, SVP of Business Development Tom Nagel 
testified at a House Energy and Commerce hearing on Wednesday. 

   

  Nagel disclosed in his prepared testimony that Comcast has expanded the 
number of Wi-Fi access points for Xfinity high-speed Internet customers to 
350,000. The nation's largest cable MSO also began deploying wireless gateways 
from Cisco earlier this year that Comcast has said may be able to power 
millions of neighborhood hotspots.

   

  While Comcast already is already using the 5 GHz band, Nagel said it 
needs more of the unlicensed spectrum to meet demand from subscribers for 
Wi-Fi. It faces potential opposition from Toyota and other automobile 
manufacturers who want to use the 5 GHz band to deliver next-generation 
connected car applications, including applications that would warn drivers of 
collision threats.

   

  Toyota principal researcher John Kenney raised concerns about possible 
interference from Wi-Fi services at Wednesday's hearing.  "We have been 
actively engaged with the Wi-Fi community and other stakeholders who are 
exploring possible sharing solutions that will alleviate any risk of harmful 
interference from unlicensed devices. But we're not th

Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

[Matt Hoppes]

?

On Nov 27, 2013, at 14:51, "Marlon Schafer (509.982.2181)" 
 wrote:

> The other good thing is that they will (hopefully) keep using wifi where we 
> can use polling mechanisms easier today so we *should* be more protected 
> against the interference than we used to be with older 2.4 gig gear.
> marlon
>  
>  
> From: Scott Carullo
> Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 3:52 PM
> To: Matt Hoppes ; sc...@brevardwireless.com ; WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>  
> Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up - we all 
> know things work better when its quiet.  This used to worry me a lot when I 
> saw it coming, but then I realized it was already there and I had no idea 
> until I just happened to scan on some radios (I don't usually install the 
> stuff).  I'm not worried any more, if its not one thing it will be another 
> any way.  Thats  what gives us the edge every day, flexibility.  We will work 
> around it, we always do.
> 
> I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE will 
> continue to work fine.  Their omni low gain antenna can't compete with a 
> 20-30db directional one.  Still sucks though, you drive down the street and 
> see one after another running 5Ghz just knowing there probably isn't 3 
> connections in the whole city to them
> 
> Scott Carullo
> Technical Operations
> 855-FLSPEED x102
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Matt Hoppes" 
> Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:43 PM
> To: "sc...@brevardwireless.com" , "WISPA General 
> List" 
> Cc: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
> 
> Are you seeing any impact from them?
> 
> On Nov 14, 2013, at 18:03, "Scott Carullo"  wrote:
> 
>> Yeah, won't matter either way with a 5Ghz AP on every street corner.  
>> Already seeing that in our areas  do a wireless scan and you see 354 
>> 5Ghz APs now in addition to the 2Ghz ones (they run dual band APs now).
>> 
>> Scott Carullo
>> Technical Operations
>> 855-FLSPEED x102
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: "Bret Clark" 
>> Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:49 PM
>> To: wireless@wispa.org
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>> 
>> What could go wrong with Comcast taking up yet more 5GHz of 
>> spectrum...[/sarcasm off]
>> 
>> On 11/14/2013 01:40 PM, ralph wrote:
>>> I hope the links at the bottom come through.
>>> 
>>> ---
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Comcast needs the FCC to open up the 5 GHz spectrum band to power 
>>> next-generation Wi-Fi services that could allow it to deliver wireless 
>>> broadband at speeds of up to 1 Gbps, SVP of Business Development Tom Nagel 
>>> testified at a House Energy and Commerce hearing on Wednesday.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Nagel disclosed in his prepared testimony that Comcast has expanded the 
>>> number of Wi-Fi access points for Xfinity high-speed Internet customers to 
>>> 350,000. The nation's largest cable MSO also began deploying wireless 
>>> gateways from Cisco earlier this year that Comcast has said may be able to 
>>> power millions of neighborhood hotspots.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> While Comcast already is already using the 5 GHz band, Nagel said it needs 
>>> more of the unlicensed spectrum to meet demand from subscribers for Wi-Fi. 
>>> It faces potential opposition from Toyota and other automobile 
>>> manufacturers who want to use the 5 GHz band to deliver next-generation 
>>> connected car applications, including applications that would warn drivers 
>>> of collision threats.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Toyota principal researcher John Kenney raised concerns about possible 
>>> interference from Wi-Fi services at Wednesday's hearing.  "We have been 
>>> actively engaged with the Wi-Fi community and other stakeholders who are 
>>> exploring possible sharing solutions that will alleviate any risk of 
>>> harmful interference from unlicensed devices. But we're not there yet and 
>>> it's going to take a bit more time to see if we can get there," Kenney said 
>>> in his prepared testimony.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> For more:
>>> - see Nagel's prepared testimony (.pdf)
>>> - see Kenney's prepared testimony (.pdf)
>>> - see Comcast blog post
>>> - Broadcasting & Cable has this story
>>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

[Mike Hammett]

Except that one of the proposals is to make 5.1 outdoor, though it may very 
well be a stretch. 

Also, 100 MHz may not be enough. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Marlon Schafer (509.982.2181)"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 1:47:27 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. 




What really needs to happen is for all the ding bat indoor guys to start using 
the 5.1 ghz indoor only band instead of the 5.8 band! 

They already have dedicated spectrum and are fools for not using it. 

marlon 





From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 3:04 PM 
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. 


Not that it'll cure it, but we'll have to step up shielding, isolation, antenna 
gain, better F/B, better side lobe suppression, etc. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Scott Carullo"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:03:00 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. 

Yeah, won't matter either way with a 5Ghz AP on every street corner. Already 
seeing that in our areas do a wireless scan and you see 354 5Ghz APs now in 
addition to the 2Ghz ones (they run dual band APs now). 


Scott Carullo 
Technical Operations 
855-FLSPEED x102 




>From : "Bret Clark"  
Sent : Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:49 PM 
To : wireless@wispa.org 
Subject : Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. 


What could go wrong with Comcast taking up yet more 5GHz of 
spectrum...[/sarcasm off] 

On 11/14/2013 01:40 PM, ralph wrote: 




I hope the links at the bottom come through. 
--- 

Comcast needs the FCC to open up the 5 GHz spectrum band to power 
next-generation Wi-Fi services that could allow it to deliver wireless 
broadband at speeds of up to 1 Gbps, SVP of Business Development Tom Nagel 
testified at a House Energy and Commerce hearing on Wednesday. 

Nagel disclosed in his prepared testimony that Comcast has expanded the number 
of Wi-Fi access points for Xfinity high-speed Internet customers to 350,000. 
The nation's largest cable MSO also began deploying wireless gateways from 
Cisco earlier this year that Comcast has said may be able to power millions of 
neighborhood hotspots. 

While Comcast already is already using the 5 GHz band, Nagel said it needs more 
of the unlicensed spectrum to meet demand from subscribers for Wi-Fi. It faces 
potential opposition from Toyota and other automobile manufacturers who want to 
use the 5 GHz band to deliver next-generation connected car applications, 
including applications that would warn drivers of collision threats. 

Toyota principal researcher John Kenney raised concerns about possible 
interference from Wi-Fi services at Wednesday's hearing. "We have been actively 
engaged with the Wi-Fi community and other stakeholders who are exploring 
possible sharing solutions that will alleviate any risk of harmful interference 
from unlicensed devices. But we're not there yet and it's going to take a bit 
more time to see if we can get there," Kenney said in his prepared testimony. 

For more: 
- see Nagel's prepared testimony (.pdf) 
- see Kenney's prepared testimony (.pdf) 
- see Comcast blog post 
- Broadcasting & Cable has this story 




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Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

[Marlon Schafer (509.982.2181)]

The other good thing is that they will (hopefully) keep using wifi where we can 
use polling mechanisms easier today so we *should* be more protected against 
the interference than we used to be with older 2.4 gig gear.
marlon


From: Scott Carullo 
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 3:52 PM
To: Matt Hoppes ; sc...@brevardwireless.com ; WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up - we all know 
things work better when its quiet.  This used to worry me a lot when I saw it 
coming, but then I realized it was already there and I had no idea until I just 
happened to scan on some radios (I don't usually install the stuff).  I'm not 
worried any more, if its not one thing it will be another any way.  Thats what 
gives us the edge every day, flexibility.  We will work around it, we always do.

I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE will 
continue to work fine.  Their omni low gain antenna can't compete with a 
20-30db directional one.  Still sucks though, you drive down the street and see 
one after another running 5Ghz just knowing there probably isn't 3 connections 
in the whole city to them


Scott Carullo
Technical Operations
855-FLSPEED x102






From: "Matt Hoppes" 
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:43 PM
To: "sc...@brevardwireless.com" , "WISPA General 
List" 
Cc: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.


Are you seeing any impact from them?

On Nov 14, 2013, at 18:03, "Scott Carullo"  wrote:


  Yeah, won't matter either way with a 5Ghz AP on every street corner.  Already 
seeing that in our areas  do a wireless scan and you see 354 5Ghz APs now 
in addition to the 2Ghz ones (they run dual band APs now).


  Scott Carullo
  Technical Operations
  855-FLSPEED x102





--
  From: "Bret Clark" 
  Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:49 PM
  To: wireless@wispa.org
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.


  What could go wrong with Comcast taking up yet more 5GHz of 
spectrum...[/sarcasm off]

  On 11/14/2013 01:40 PM, ralph wrote:

I hope the links at the bottom come through.

---

 

Comcast needs the FCC to open up the 5 GHz spectrum band to power 
next-generation Wi-Fi services that could allow it to deliver wireless 
broadband at speeds of up to 1 Gbps, SVP of Business Development Tom Nagel 
testified at a House Energy and Commerce hearing on Wednesday. 

 

Nagel disclosed in his prepared testimony that Comcast has expanded the 
number of Wi-Fi access points for Xfinity high-speed Internet customers to 
350,000. The nation's largest cable MSO also began deploying wireless gateways 
from Cisco earlier this year that Comcast has said may be able to power 
millions of neighborhood hotspots.

 

While Comcast already is already using the 5 GHz band, Nagel said it needs 
more of the unlicensed spectrum to meet demand from subscribers for Wi-Fi. It 
faces potential opposition from Toyota and other automobile manufacturers who 
want to use the 5 GHz band to deliver next-generation connected car 
applications, including applications that would warn drivers of collision 
threats.

 

Toyota principal researcher John Kenney raised concerns about possible 
interference from Wi-Fi services at Wednesday's hearing.  "We have been 
actively engaged with the Wi-Fi community and other stakeholders who are 
exploring possible sharing solutions that will alleviate any risk of harmful 
interference from unlicensed devices. But we're not there yet and it's going to 
take a bit more time to see if we can get there," Kenney said in his prepared 
testimony.

 

For more:
- see Nagel's prepared testimony (.pdf)
- see Kenney's prepared testimony (.pdf)
- see Comcast blog post
- Broadcasting & Cable has this story




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Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

[Marlon Schafer (509.982.2181)]

What really needs to happen is for all the ding bat indoor guys to start using 
the 5.1 ghz indoor only band instead of the 5.8 band!

They already have dedicated spectrum and are fools for not using it.

marlon


From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 3:04 PM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

Not that it'll cure it, but we'll have to step up shielding, isolation, antenna 
gain, better F/B, better side lobe suppression, etc.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com





From: "Scott Carullo" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:03:00 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

Yeah, won't matter either way with a 5Ghz AP on every street corner.  Already 
seeing that in our areas  do a wireless scan and you see 354 5Ghz APs now 
in addition to the 2Ghz ones (they run dual band APs now).


Scott Carullo
Technical Operations
855-FLSPEED x102






From: "Bret Clark" 
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:49 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.


What could go wrong with Comcast taking up yet more 5GHz of 
spectrum...[/sarcasm off]

On 11/14/2013 01:40 PM, ralph wrote:

  I hope the links at the bottom come through.

  ---



  Comcast needs the FCC to open up the 5 GHz spectrum band to power 
next-generation Wi-Fi services that could allow it to deliver wireless 
broadband at speeds of up to 1 Gbps, SVP of Business Development Tom Nagel 
testified at a House Energy and Commerce hearing on Wednesday. 



  Nagel disclosed in his prepared testimony that Comcast has expanded the 
number of Wi-Fi access points for Xfinity high-speed Internet customers to 
350,000. The nation's largest cable MSO also began deploying wireless gateways 
from Cisco earlier this year that Comcast has said may be able to power 
millions of neighborhood hotspots.



  While Comcast already is already using the 5 GHz band, Nagel said it needs 
more of the unlicensed spectrum to meet demand from subscribers for Wi-Fi. It 
faces potential opposition from Toyota and other automobile manufacturers who 
want to use the 5 GHz band to deliver next-generation connected car 
applications, including applications that would warn drivers of collision 
threats.



  Toyota principal researcher John Kenney raised concerns about possible 
interference from Wi-Fi services at Wednesday's hearing.  "We have been 
actively engaged with the Wi-Fi community and other stakeholders who are 
exploring possible sharing solutions that will alleviate any risk of harmful 
interference from unlicensed devices. But we're not there yet and it's going to 
take a bit more time to see if we can get there," Kenney said in his prepared 
testimony.



  For more:
  - see Nagel's prepared testimony (.pdf)
  - see Kenney's prepared testimony (.pdf)
  - see Comcast blog post
  - Broadcasting & Cable has this story




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Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

[Josh Luthman]

Uh...Unifi...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
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On Nov 16, 2013 10:28 AM, "John Thomas"  wrote:

>  Hey Ubiquiti, here is an idea for a new product... :-)
>
> Sent with AquaMail for Android
> http://www.aqua-mail.com
>
> On November 15, 2013 6:51:00 AM Eric Muehleisen  wrote:
>
>
> http://www.ruckuswireless.com/press/releases/20130610-ruckus-adds-zoneflex-7781cm-access-point-to-its-portfolio
>
> $5k MSRP. Even at half that...ouch!
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:37 AM, Gino Villarini  wrote:
>
>>  Anyideas on the cost? It would be a great addition to any aerial fiber
>> built out
>>
>>
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>>
>> g...@aeronetpr.com
>>
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>
>> 787.273.4143
>>
>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
>> Behalf Of *Zach Mann
>> *Sent:* Friday, November 15, 2013 10:30 AM
>> *To:* WISPA General List
>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>>
>>
>>
>> It's not just Comcast, TW, Cox are also taking advantage of the
>> simplicity of the newer 7781-CM Access Point.   They are offering free wifi
>> to existing clients for retention.  Down the road cellular offloading
>> 802.11u
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:27 AM, Matt Hoppes 
>> wrote:
>>
>> That's one way to avoid pole attachment fees! LOL.
>>
>> What is Comcast trying to accomplish with these?
>>
>>
>> Matt Hoppes
>> Director of Information Technology
>> Indigo Wireless
>> +1 (570) 723-7312 <%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312>
>>
>>
>> On 11/15/13, 9:26 AM, Zach Mann wrote:
>> > He's talking about these... (see attached)
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo
>>
>> > mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> > I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm talking about
>> > the ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside runing through
>> > the city on every corner  clear LOS to every tower around.
>> >
>> > Scott Carullo
>> > Technical Operations
>> > 855-FLSPEED x102
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> >
>> 
>> > *From*: "Brian Webster" > > <mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com>>
>> > *Sent*: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:24 AM
>> > *To*: "WISPA General List" > > <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
>> > *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>>
>> >
>> > One good thing about the higher bands and the noise floor is that
>> > free space loss works to your advantage. That being that a 5 GHz
>> > indoor Omni home AP router signal will fall off as an interference
>> > source as a much shorter distance than a 2.4 GHz device will. The
>> > laws of physics work in your favor.
>> >
>> > Thank You,
>> >
>> > Brian Webster
>> >
>>
>> > www.wirelessmapping.com <http://www.wirelessmapping.com>
>> >
>> > www.Broadband-Mapping.com <http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com>
>> >
>> > *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>> > <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>
>> > [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>> > <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] *On Behalf Of *Scott Carullo
>> > *Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:52 PM
>> > *To:* Matt Hoppes; sc...@brevardwireless.com
>> > <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>; WISPA General List
>> > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>>
>> >
>> > Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up -
>> > we all know things work better when its quiet.  This used to worry
>> > me a lot when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was already
>> > there and I had no idea until I just happened to scan on some radios
>> > (I don't usually install the stuff).  I'm not worried any more, if
>> > its not one thing it will be another any way.  Thats what gives us
>> > the edge every day, flexibility.  We will work around it, we always
>> do.
>

Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

[John Thomas]

Hey Ubiquiti, here is an idea for a new product... :-)

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On November 15, 2013 6:51:00 AM Eric Muehleisen  wrote:

http://www.ruckuswireless.com/press/releases/20130610-ruckus-adds-zoneflex-7781cm-access-point-to-its-portfolio

$5k MSRP. Even at half that...ouch!


On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:37 AM, Gino Villarini  wrote:

>  Anyideas on the cost? It would be a great addition to any aerial fiber
> built out
>
>
>
> Gino A. Villarini
>
> g...@aeronetpr.com
>
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>
> 787.273.4143
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Zach Mann
> *Sent:* Friday, November 15, 2013 10:30 AM
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>
>
>
> It's not just Comcast, TW, Cox are also taking advantage of the simplicity
> of the newer 7781-CM Access Point.   They are offering free wifi to
> existing clients for retention.  Down the road cellular offloading
> 802.11u
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:27 AM, Matt Hoppes 
> wrote:
>
> That's one way to avoid pole attachment fees! LOL.
>
> What is Comcast trying to accomplish with these?
>
>
> Matt Hoppes
> Director of Information Technology
> Indigo Wireless
> +1 (570) 723-7312
>
>
> On 11/15/13, 9:26 AM, Zach Mann wrote:
> > He's talking about these... (see attached)
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo
>
> > mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>> wrote:
> >
> > I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm talking about
> > the ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside runing through
> > the city on every corner  clear LOS to every tower around.
> >
> > Scott Carullo
> > Technical Operations
> > 855-FLSPEED x102
> >
> >
> >
>
> >
> --------
> > *From*: "Brian Webster"  > <mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com>>
> > *Sent*: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:24 AM
> > *To*: "WISPA General List"  > <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
> > *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>
> >
> > One good thing about the higher bands and the noise floor is that
> > free space loss works to your advantage. That being that a 5 GHz
> > indoor Omni home AP router signal will fall off as an interference
> > source as a much shorter distance than a 2.4 GHz device will. The
> > laws of physics work in your favor.
> >
> > Thank You,
> >
> > Brian Webster
> >
>
> > www.wirelessmapping.com <http://www.wirelessmapping.com>
> >
> > www.Broadband-Mapping.com <http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com>
> >
> > *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> > <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>
> > [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> > <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] *On Behalf Of *Scott Carullo
> > *Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:52 PM
> > *To:* Matt Hoppes; sc...@brevardwireless.com
> > <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>; WISPA General List
> > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>
> >
> > Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up -
> > we all know things work better when its quiet.  This used to worry
> > me a lot when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was already
> > there and I had no idea until I just happened to scan on some radios
> > (I don't usually install the stuff).  I'm not worried any more, if
> > its not one thing it will be another any way.  Thats what gives us
> > the edge every day, flexibility.  We will work around it, we always
> do.
> >
> > I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE
> > will continue to work fine.  Their omni low gain antenna can't
> > compete with a 20-30db directional one.  Still sucks though, you
> > drive down the street and see one after another running 5Ghz just
> > knowing there probably isn't 3 connections in the whole city to
> them
> >
> > Scott Carullo
> > Technical Operations
> > 855-FLSPEED x102
> >
>
> >
> 
> >
> > *From*: "Matt Hoppes"  > <ma

Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

[Blair Davis]

I am SO, so glad I am rural!!!

--
On 11/15/2013 8:57 PM, ralph wrote:


 to Zach-

I've been building outdoor wireless (mostly mesh) networks since about 
2002.  When I worked for Earthlink in 2006 and 2007 and deployed about 
7 large Muni systems (12,000 APs in Philly for example), it was an 
open system. Anyone (including a WISP) who had the up-front $$ could 
get an SSID and be handed off their traffic. We had SSIDs for Vonage 
and DirectV as others.


Several local towns here also installed various (mostly Cisco) Cisco 
mesh systems. Then they chose an ISP to power them. The later company 
I was with (a small WISP, not Earthlink) was chosen in two of the 
towns. We were handed an Ethernet cable. On the other end of that 
cable were all the residences and businesses in town that the Muni 
system passed. Pretty sweet.


Back years ago when the WISPS on the lists were worrying about the 
Muni systems, you may remember that I promoted a "don't fight 'em, 
join 'em" strategy. Very few did.  Now of course it is different 
because the Cablecos realized they could do it too. They have the 
(almost) unlimited wired backhaul, the access rights, the strand 
provided 60-90v power, and the DEEP pockets.  This is why Cisco even 
stayed in the outdoor AP business at all. Their mesh did not perform 
well. But who needs mesh if you can make every AP a root (wired) 
access point.


*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
*On Behalf Of *Zach Mann

*Sent:* Friday, November 15, 2013 11:41 AM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

Oh btw, even tho COMPANY A deploys these AP's and broadcasts their own 
SSID, doesn't mean the other players in town can't "pay" COMPANY A for 
their own SSID for their subscribers.  :)   It will be interesting to 
see how this all develops.


On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Matt Hoppes 
mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>> wrote:


Right... I as well.. that's why I don't know what the answer is.
Everyone's in this game, but some just play (seemingly) unfair... for
example, it doesn't help anyone when you just go throwing up APs on
cable plants and blasting all over the town.

On the other hand Comcast may say it doesn't make sence for you (the
WISP) to go sticking these high gain antennas up on the tower and
covering the town!



Matt Hoppes
Director of Information Technology
Indigo Wireless
+1 (570) 723-7312 

On 11/15/13, 11:19 AM, Eric Flanery wrote:
> How would you 'legally' define a WISP?
>
> What would make Comcast 'not a WISP', if they are delivering
Internet over Wireless?
>
> If it's that they also deliver Internet over another medium,
would we (and many other providers) also be excluded because we
also deliver Internet over cable and fiber?
>
> If it's that they also provide TV service, then what about those
of us that also run transport, hosting, development, and
infrastructure services (examples among doubtless myriad others).
>
> Not that I wouldn't love some protected spectrum, I'm just
having a hard time imagining anything that would prevent Comcast
and the like from using it, while not also excluding quite a few
of us.
>
> --Eric
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
    <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
> Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:04 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>
> Yes and no... I mean... yeah it's a pain to those of us trying
to use
> the spectrum... but then again so is Comcast.
>
> This is exactly why there needs to be some sort of WISP only
spectrum...
> with laws carefully written so Comcast can't just say they are a
WISP.
>
>
> Matt Hoppes
> Director of Information Technology
> Indigo Wireless
> +1 (570) 723-7312 
>
> On 11/15/13, 11:02 AM, Robert wrote:
>> Spectrum trashers   At least if there's no traffic on them
there
>> shouldn't be much noise..
>>
>> On 11/15/2013 06:26 AM, Zach Mann wrote:
>>> He's talking about these... (see attached)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo
>>> mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>
<mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com
<mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>>> wrote:
>>>
  

Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

[Zach Mann]

They are not trying to penetrate indoors.  That is where their SMB team
rolls in and installs indoor APs for free.

On Friday, November 15, 2013, ralph wrote:

> They will not be using CPEs (repeaters) as far as I know.  It already
> penetrates pretty well indoors. (2.4, remember?)  It just doesn’t doo well
> above the 2nd or 3rd floor.
>
>
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org  'wireless-boun...@wispa.org');> 
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 'wireless-boun...@wispa.org');>]
> *On Behalf Of *Jerry Richardson (airCloud)
> *Sent:* Friday, November 15, 2013 11:51 AM
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>
>
>
> They are doing exactly what airCloud is doing for Muni WiFi. Put up AP's
> that cover 90% outside. Put $100 repeaters in the window as needed.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:48 AM, Matt Hoppes 
> wrote:
>
> We can only hope for A/C 80MHz channels to spread the signal way out
> but also pollute more.
>
> The ridiculous thing is 5GHz doesn't go through buildings... what is
> Comcast attempting to do here?
>
>
>
> Matt Hoppes
> Director of Information Technology
> Indigo Wireless
> +1 (570) 723-7312
>
> On 11/15/13, 11:46 AM, Jerry Richardson (airCloud) wrote:
> > Having had the privilege of living through PG&E's rollout of 900MHz
> > smart meters we will be impacted, it's just hard to say how much.
> >
> > The PG&E smart meters were essentially unity gain at full power. When it
> > got into the 10's of thousands the AP saw -60dB across the board at 10
> > miles from the nearest smart meter. With 5GHz, we have a much higher FSL
> > and there will not be nearly as many withing a given sector.
> >
> > Making a few assumptions here:
> > Pole AP is 27dB into a 6dB omni at 30' off the ground
> > WISP sector antenna is 17dB at 200' off the ground
> > At 1 mile the WISP AP is going to see ~60dB.
> >
> > If comcast does succeed in getting more 5GHz spectrum, it will be good
> > for us as well as it will spread the noise out a bit lowering overall
> noise.
> >
> > Better come up with a plan now as we will be affected. Comcast, like
> > PG&E is going to tell you they are in compliance and to call their
> lawyers
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:25 AM, Matt Hoppes 
> > <mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Right... I as well.. that's why I don't know what the answer is.
> > Everyone's in this game, but some just play (seemingly) unfair... for
> > example, it doesn't help anyone when you just go throwing up APs on
> > cable plants and blasting all over the town.
> >
> > On the other hand Comcast may say it doesn't make sence for you (the
> > WISP) to go sticking these high gain antennas up on the tower and
> > covering the town!
> >
> >
> > Matt Hoppes
> > Director of Information Technology
> > Indigo Wireless
>
> > +1 (570) 723-7312 
>
> >
> > On 11/15/13, 11:19 AM, Eric Flanery wrote:
> >  > How would you 'legally' define a WISP?
> >  >
> >  > What would make Comcast 'not a WISP', if they are delivering
> > Internet over Wireless?
> >  >
> >  > If it's that they also deliver Internet over another medium,
> > would we (and many other providers) also be excluded because we also
> > deliver Internet over cable and fiber?
> >  >
> >  > If it's that they also provide TV service, then what about those
> > of us that also run transport, hosting, development, and
> > infrastructure services (examples among doubtless myriad others).
> >  >
> >  > Not that I wouldn't love some protected spectrum, I'm just having
> > a hard time imagining anything that would prevent Comcast and the
> > like from using it, while not also excluding quite a few of us.
> >  >
> >  > --Eric
> >  >
> >  > -Original Message-
> >  > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> > <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

[Zach Mann]

They are not trying to penetrate indoors.  That is where their SMB team
rolls in and installs indoor APs for free.

On Friday, November 15, 2013, ralph wrote:

> They will not be using CPEs (repeaters) as far as I know.  It already
> penetrates pretty well indoors. (2.4, remember?)  It just doesn’t doo well
> above the 2nd or 3rd floor.
>
>
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org  'wireless-boun...@wispa.org');> 
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 'wireless-boun...@wispa.org');>]
> *On Behalf Of *Jerry Richardson (airCloud)
> *Sent:* Friday, November 15, 2013 11:51 AM
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>
>
>
> They are doing exactly what airCloud is doing for Muni WiFi. Put up AP's
> that cover 90% outside. Put $100 repeaters in the window as needed.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:48 AM, Matt Hoppes 
> wrote:
>
> We can only hope for A/C 80MHz channels to spread the signal way out
> but also pollute more.
>
> The ridiculous thing is 5GHz doesn't go through buildings... what is
> Comcast attempting to do here?
>
>
>
> Matt Hoppes
> Director of Information Technology
> Indigo Wireless
> +1 (570) 723-7312
>
> On 11/15/13, 11:46 AM, Jerry Richardson (airCloud) wrote:
> > Having had the privilege of living through PG&E's rollout of 900MHz
> > smart meters we will be impacted, it's just hard to say how much.
> >
> > The PG&E smart meters were essentially unity gain at full power. When it
> > got into the 10's of thousands the AP saw -60dB across the board at 10
> > miles from the nearest smart meter. With 5GHz, we have a much higher FSL
> > and there will not be nearly as many withing a given sector.
> >
> > Making a few assumptions here:
> > Pole AP is 27dB into a 6dB omni at 30' off the ground
> > WISP sector antenna is 17dB at 200' off the ground
> > At 1 mile the WISP AP is going to see ~60dB.
> >
> > If comcast does succeed in getting more 5GHz spectrum, it will be good
> > for us as well as it will spread the noise out a bit lowering overall
> noise.
> >
> > Better come up with a plan now as we will be affected. Comcast, like
> > PG&E is going to tell you they are in compliance and to call their
> lawyers
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:25 AM, Matt Hoppes 
> > <mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Right... I as well.. that's why I don't know what the answer is.
> > Everyone's in this game, but some just play (seemingly) unfair... for
> > example, it doesn't help anyone when you just go throwing up APs on
> > cable plants and blasting all over the town.
> >
> > On the other hand Comcast may say it doesn't make sence for you (the
> > WISP) to go sticking these high gain antennas up on the tower and
> > covering the town!
> >
> >
> > Matt Hoppes
> > Director of Information Technology
> > Indigo Wireless
>
> > +1 (570) 723-7312 
>
> >
> > On 11/15/13, 11:19 AM, Eric Flanery wrote:
> >  > How would you 'legally' define a WISP?
> >  >
> >  > What would make Comcast 'not a WISP', if they are delivering
> > Internet over Wireless?
> >  >
> >  > If it's that they also deliver Internet over another medium,
> > would we (and many other providers) also be excluded because we also
> > deliver Internet over cable and fiber?
> >  >
> >  > If it's that they also provide TV service, then what about those
> > of us that also run transport, hosting, development, and
> > infrastructure services (examples among doubtless myriad others).
> >  >
> >  > Not that I wouldn't love some protected spectrum, I'm just having
> > a hard time imagining anything that would prevent Comcast and the
> > like from using it, while not also excluding quite a few of us.
> >  >
> >  > --Eric
> >  >
> >  > -Original Message-
> >  > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> > <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

[ralph]

 to Zach-

 

I've been building outdoor wireless (mostly mesh) networks since about 2002.
When I worked for Earthlink in 2006 and 2007 and deployed about 7 large Muni
systems (12,000 APs in Philly for example), it was an open system. Anyone
(including a WISP) who had the up-front $$ could get an SSID and be handed
off their traffic. We had SSIDs for Vonage and DirectV as others.  

 

Several local towns here also installed various (mostly Cisco) Cisco mesh
systems. Then they chose an ISP to power them. The later company I was with
(a small WISP, not Earthlink) was chosen in two of the towns. We were handed
an Ethernet cable. On the other end of that cable were all the residences
and businesses in town that the Muni system passed. Pretty sweet.  

 

Back years ago when the WISPS on the lists were worrying about the Muni
systems, you may remember that I promoted a "don't fight 'em, join 'em"
strategy. Very few did.  Now of course it is different because the Cablecos
realized they could do it too. They have the (almost) unlimited wired
backhaul, the access rights, the strand provided 60-90v power, and the DEEP
pockets.  This is why Cisco even stayed in the outdoor AP business at all.
Their mesh did not perform well. But who needs mesh if you can make every AP
a root (wired) access point.

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Zach Mann
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 11:41 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

 

Oh btw, even tho COMPANY A deploys these AP's and broadcasts their own SSID,
doesn't mean the other players in town can't "pay" COMPANY A for their own
SSID for their subscribers.  :)   It will be interesting to see how this all
develops.  

 

On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Matt Hoppes mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com> > wrote:

Right... I as well.. that's why I don't know what the answer is.
Everyone's in this game, but some just play (seemingly) unfair... for
example, it doesn't help anyone when you just go throwing up APs on
cable plants and blasting all over the town.

On the other hand Comcast may say it doesn't make sence for you (the
WISP) to go sticking these high gain antennas up on the tower and
covering the town!



Matt Hoppes
Director of Information Technology
Indigo Wireless
+1 (570) 723-7312  

On 11/15/13, 11:19 AM, Eric Flanery wrote:
> How would you 'legally' define a WISP?
>
> What would make Comcast 'not a WISP', if they are delivering Internet over
Wireless?
>
> If it's that they also deliver Internet over another medium, would we (and
many other providers) also be excluded because we also deliver Internet over
cable and fiber?
>
> If it's that they also provide TV service, then what about those of us
that also run transport, hosting, development, and infrastructure services
(examples among doubtless myriad others).
>
> Not that I wouldn't love some protected spectrum, I'm just having a hard
time imagining anything that would prevent Comcast and the like from using
it, while not also excluding quite a few of us.
>
> --Eric
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> ] On
Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
> Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:04 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>
> Yes and no... I mean... yeah it's a pain to those of us trying to use
> the spectrum... but then again so is Comcast.
>
> This is exactly why there needs to be some sort of WISP only spectrum...
> with laws carefully written so Comcast can't just say they are a WISP.
>
>
> Matt Hoppes
> Director of Information Technology
> Indigo Wireless
> +1 (570) 723-7312  
>
> On 11/15/13, 11:02 AM, Robert wrote:
>> Spectrum trashers   At least if there's no traffic on them there
>> shouldn't be much noise..
>>
>> On 11/15/2013 06:26 AM, Zach Mann wrote:
>>> He's talking about these... (see attached)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo
>>> mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>
<mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com> >>
wrote:
>>>
>>>   I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm talking about
>>>   the ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside runing
through
>>>   the city on every corner  clear LOS to every tower around.
>>>
>>>   Scott Carullo
>>>   Technical Operations
>>>   855-FLSPEED x102
>>>
>>>
&

Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

[ralph]

The Cisco ones have RRM (Radio Resource Manager), which will throttle the
power down based on how strongly the APs hear each other. There are up to 7
different power levels. Not sure if Ruckus is that sophisticated, since they
are actually really autonomous APs just checking in to the zone director.
Sort of just like UniFi.

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Zach Mann
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 11:19 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

 

Coming from the WISP side, I asked them why they have these blasting at full
power, 24/7 when the zone director surely could manage power levels when
needed.

 

I didn't get a answer.  I don't think they even gave it a thought about who
they might interfere with.   

On Friday, November 15, 2013, Robert wrote:

Spectrum trashers   At least if there's no traffic on them there
shouldn't be much noise..

On 11/15/2013 06:26 AM, Zach Mann wrote:
> He's talking about these... (see attached)
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo
> 
<mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com  >> wrote:
>
> I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm talking about
> the ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside runing through
> the city on every corner  clear LOS to every tower around.
>
> Scott Carullo
> Technical Operations
> 855-FLSPEED x102
>
>
>
>

> *From*: "Brian Webster"  
> <mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com  >>
> *Sent*: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:24 AM
> *To*: "WISPA General List"  
> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org  >>
> *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>
> One good thing about the higher bands and the noise floor is that
> free space loss works to your advantage. That being that a 5 GHz
> indoor Omni home AP router signal will fall off as an interference
> source as a much shorter distance than a 2.4 GHz device will. The
> laws of physics work in your favor.
>
>
>
> Thank You,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com <http://www.wirelessmapping.com>
<http://www.wirelessmapping.com>
>
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com <http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com>
<http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com>
>
>
>
> *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org  
> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org  >
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org  
> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org  >] *On Behalf Of
*Scott Carullo
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:52 PM
> *To:* Matt Hoppes; sc...@brevardwireless.com  
> <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com  >; WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>
>
>
> Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up -
> we all know things work better when its quiet.  This used to worry
> me a lot when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was already
> there and I had no idea until I just happened to scan on some radios
> (I don't usually install the stuff).  I'm not worried any more, if
> its not one thing it will be another any way.  Thats what gives us
> the edge every day, flexibility.  We will work around it, we always
do.
>
> I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE
> will continue to work fine.  Their omni low gain antenna can't
> compete with a 20-30db directional one.  Still sucks though, you
> drive down the street and see one after another running 5Ghz just
> knowing there probably isn't 3 connections in the whole city to
them
>
> Scott Carullo
> Technical Operations
> 855-FLSPEED x102
>
>
>
>

>
> *From*: "Matt Hoppes"  
> <mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com  >>
> *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:43 PM
> *To*: "sc...@brevardwireless.com 
<mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com  >"
> 
<mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com  >>,
> "WISPA General List" 
<mailto:wireless@wispa.org  >>
> *Cc*: "WISPA General List"  
> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org  >>
> *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>
> Are you seeing any impact from them?
>
>
> On Nov 14, 2013, at 18:03, "Scott Carullo"
> 
<mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com  >> wrote:
>

Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

[Scott Carullo]

They gave it a though...  thats why they are full power ;)

Scott Carullo
Technical Operations
855-FLSPEED x102


From: "Zach Mann" 
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 11:19 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

Coming from the WISP side, I asked them why they have these blasting at 
full power, 24/7 when the zone director surely could manage power levels 
when needed.
I didn't get a answer.  I don't think they even gave it a thought about who 
they might interfere with.   

On Friday, November 15, 2013, Robert  wrote:
Spectrum trashers   At least if there's no traffic on them there
 shouldn't be much noise..

On 11/15/2013 06:26 AM, Zach Mann wrote:
> He's talking about these... (see attached)
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo
> mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>> wrote:
 >
> I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm talking about
> the ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside runing through
> the city on every corner  clear LOS to every tower around.
>
> Scott Carullo
> Technical Operations
> 855-FLSPEED x102
>
>
>
> 

> *From*: "Brian Webster"  <mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com>>
> *Sent*: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:24 AM
> *To*: "WISPA General List"  <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
> *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>
> One good thing about the higher bands and the noise floor is that
> free space loss works to your advantage. That being that a 5 GHz
> indoor Omni home AP router signal will fall off as an interference
> source as a much shorter distance than a 2.4 GHz device will. The
> laws of physics work in your favor.
>
>
>
> Thank You,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com <http://www.wirelessmapping.com>
>
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com <http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com>
>
>
>
> *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] *On Behalf Of *Scott Carullo
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:52 PM
> *To:* Matt Hoppes; sc...@brevardwireless.com
> <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>; WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>
>
>
> Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up -
> we all know things work better when its quiet.  This used to worry
> me a lot when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was already
> there and I had no idea until I just happened to scan on some radios
> (I don't usually install the stuff).  I'm not worried any more, if
> its not one thing it will be another any way.  Thats what gives us
> the edge every day, flexibility.  We will work around it, we always 
do.
>
> I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE
> will continue to work fine.  Their omni low gain antenna can't
> compete with a 20-30db directional one.  Still sucks though, you
> drive down the street and see one after another running 5Ghz just
> knowing there probably isn't 3 connections in the whole city to 
them
>
> Scott Carullo
> Technical Operations
> 855-FLSPEED x102
>
>
>
> 

>
> *From*: "Matt Hoppes"  <mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>>
> *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:43 PM
> *To*: "sc...@brevardwireless.com <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>"
 > mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>>,
 > "WISPA General List" mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
 > *Cc*: "WISPA General List"  <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
> *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>
> Are you seeing any impact from them?
>
>
> On Nov 14, 2013, at 18:03, "Scott Carullo"
> mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>> 
wrote:
 >
> Yeah, won't matter either way with a 5Ghz AP on every street
> corner.  Already seeing that in our areas  do a wireless
> scan and you see 354 5Ghz APs now in addition to the 2Ghz ones
> (they run dual band APs now).
>
> Scott Carullo
> Technical Operations
> 855-FLSPEED x102
>

Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

[Scott Carullo]

Attach all the customers within blocks using their security services that 
don't have cable pulled.  Or similar.

Scott Carullo
Technical Operations
855-FLSPEED x102


From: "Matt Hoppes" 
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 11:48 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

We can only hope for A/C 80MHz channels to spread the signal way out 
but also pollute more.

The ridiculous thing is 5GHz doesn't go through buildings... what is 
Comcast attempting to do here?

Matt Hoppes
Director of Information Technology
Indigo Wireless
+1 (570) 723-7312

On 11/15/13, 11:46 AM, Jerry Richardson (airCloud) wrote:
> Having had the privilege of living through PG&E's rollout of 900MHz
> smart meters we will be impacted, it's just hard to say how much.
>
> The PG&E smart meters were essentially unity gain at full power. When it
> got into the 10's of thousands the AP saw -60dB across the board at 10
> miles from the nearest smart meter. With 5GHz, we have a much higher FSL
> and there will not be nearly as many withing a given sector.
>
> Making a few assumptions here:
> Pole AP is 27dB into a 6dB omni at 30' off the ground
> WISP sector antenna is 17dB at 200' off the ground
> At 1 mile the WISP AP is going to see ~60dB.
>
> If comcast does succeed in getting more 5GHz spectrum, it will be good
> for us as well as it will spread the noise out a bit lowering overall 
noise.
>
> Better come up with a plan now as we will be affected. Comcast, like
> PG&E is going to tell you they are in compliance and to call their 
lawyers
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:25 AM, Matt Hoppes  <mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>> wrote:
>
> Right... I as well.. that's why I don't know what the answer is.
> Everyone's in this game, but some just play (seemingly) unfair... 
for
> example, it doesn't help anyone when you just go throwing up APs on
> cable plants and blasting all over the town.
>
> On the other hand Comcast may say it doesn't make sence for you (the
> WISP) to go sticking these high gain antennas up on the tower and
> covering the town!
>
>
> Matt Hoppes
> Director of Information Technology
> Indigo Wireless
> +1 (570) 723-7312 
>
> On 11/15/13, 11:19 AM, Eric Flanery wrote:
>  > How would you 'legally' define a WISP?
>  >
>  > What would make Comcast 'not a WISP', if they are delivering
> Internet over Wireless?
>  >
>  > If it's that they also deliver Internet over another medium,
> would we (and many other providers) also be excluded because we also
> deliver Internet over cable and fiber?
>  >
>  > If it's that they also provide TV service, then what about those
> of us that also run transport, hosting, development, and
> infrastructure services (examples among doubtless myriad others).
>  >
>  > Not that I wouldn't love some protected spectrum, I'm just having
> a hard time imagining anything that would prevent Comcast and the
> like from using it, while not also excluding quite a few of us.
>  >
>  > --Eric
>      >
>  > -Original Message-
>  > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
>  > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:04 AM
>  > To: WISPA General List
>  > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>  >
>  > Yes and no... I mean... yeah it's a pain to those of us trying to 
use
>  > the spectrum... but then again so is Comcast.
>  >
>  > This is exactly why there needs to be some sort of WISP only
> spectrum...
>  > with laws carefully written so Comcast can't just say they are a
> WISP.
>  >
>  >
>  > Matt Hoppes
>  > Director of Information Technology
>  > Indigo Wireless
>  > +1 (570) 723-7312 
>  >
>  > On 11/15/13, 11:02 AM, Robert wrote:
>  >> Spectrum trashers   At least if there's no traffic on them 
there
>  >> shouldn't be much noise..
>  >>
>  >> On 11/15/2013 06:26 AM, Zach Mann wrote:
>  >>> He's talking about these... (see attached)
>  >>>
>  >>>

Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

[Scott Carullo]

I'm curious...  is there any legal protection on open WiFi for SSID names?

Every ATT device there is tries to connect to ATT WiFi (or whatever SSID 
they use) and you could setup your device with same SSID as someone else 
and cause issues.  I'm just curious from a legal standpoint since its 
unlicensed no rules on SSID names what are the consequences

Scott Carullo
Technical Operations
855-FLSPEED x102


From: "Matt Hoppes" 
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 11:45 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

This is true... it also doesn't mean that COMPANY B can't deploy APs 
with COMPANY A's SSID and then charge or something

wait... I didn't say that.

On 11/15/13, 11:40 AM, Zach Mann wrote:
> Oh btw, even tho COMPANY A deploys these AP's and broadcasts their own
> SSID, doesn't mean the other players in town can't "pay" COMPANY A for
> their own SSID for their subscribers.  :)   It will be interesting to
> see how this all develops.
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Matt Hoppes
> mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>> wrote:
>
> Right... I as well.. that's why I don't know what the answer is.
> Everyone's in this game, but some just play (seemingly) unfair... 
for
> example, it doesn't help anyone when you just go throwing up APs on
> cable plants and blasting all over the town.
>
> On the other hand Comcast may say it doesn't make sence for you (the
> WISP) to go sticking these high gain antennas up on the tower and
> covering the town!
>
>
> Matt Hoppes
> Director of Information Technology
> Indigo Wireless
> +1 (570) 723-7312 
>
> On 11/15/13, 11:19 AM, Eric Flanery wrote:
>  > How would you 'legally' define a WISP?
>  >
>  > What would make Comcast 'not a WISP', if they are delivering
> Internet over Wireless?
>  >
>  > If it's that they also deliver Internet over another medium,
> would we (and many other providers) also be excluded because we also
> deliver Internet over cable and fiber?
>  >
>  > If it's that they also provide TV service, then what about those
> of us that also run transport, hosting, development, and
> infrastructure services (examples among doubtless myriad others).
>  >
>  > Not that I wouldn't love some protected spectrum, I'm just having
> a hard time imagining anything that would prevent Comcast and the
> like from using it, while not also excluding quite a few of us.
>  >
>  > --Eric
>  >
>  > -Original Message-
>  > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
>  > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:04 AM
>  > To: WISPA General List
>  > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>  >
>  > Yes and no... I mean... yeah it's a pain to those of us trying to 
use
>  > the spectrum... but then again so is Comcast.
>  >
>  > This is exactly why there needs to be some sort of WISP only
> spectrum...
>  > with laws carefully written so Comcast can't just say they are a
> WISP.
>  >
>  >
>  > Matt Hoppes
>  > Director of Information Technology
>  > Indigo Wireless
>  > +1 (570) 723-7312 
>  >
>  > On 11/15/13, 11:02 AM, Robert wrote:
>  >> Spectrum trashers   At least if there's no traffic on them 
there
>  >> shouldn't be much noise..
>  >>
>  >> On 11/15/2013 06:26 AM, Zach Mann wrote:
>  >>> He's talking about these... (see attached)
>  >>>
>  >>>
>  >>> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo
>  >>> mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>
> <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com
> <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>>> wrote:
>  >>>
>  >>>   I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm
> talking about
>  >>>   the ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside
> runing through
>  >>>   the city on every corner  clear LOS to every tower
> around.
>  >>>
>  >>>   Scott Carullo
>  >>>   Technical Operatio

Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

[Brian Webster]

I bid a lot of the RF work on these networks two years ago with another
company (they got greedy on the bid, didn't win). They are building these
networks to offer the fixed broadband customers a mobility component to help
reduce churn with the cord cutting mentality crowd. If the low bandwidth
users can do everything over their cell phone data plan, why would they need
the cable company and cable internet? Now if they have FREE mobile data
coverage in most of the places they go as part of their home broadband
connection, it offers some added benefit and helps reduce their churn, which
is part of the cost justification model for them. Given they don't have to
pay any backhaul or pole rental costs for these, they only have the
hardware, labor and power investment. They are using capital money they
received from selling spectrum to Verizon a couple of years ago (a group of
cable companies had a block of spectrum). 

These devices are clearly capable of multiple SSID's so another possible
revenue stream will be to go to the cellular companies and offer their own
SSID for cellular data network offload. Since these cable companies are
building a large footprint per carrier in the most dense cellular data
consumption markets, they have the best chance of making that type of
program work. They will have the critical mass of network coverage to get
the cell companies to want to pay for this offload rather than let the
customer worry about it.

Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com
www.Broadband-Mapping.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 11:48 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

We can only hope for A/C 80MHz channels to spread the signal way out 
but also pollute more.

The ridiculous thing is 5GHz doesn't go through buildings... what is Comcast
attempting to do here?


Matt Hoppes
Director of Information Technology
Indigo Wireless
+1 (570) 723-7312

On 11/15/13, 11:46 AM, Jerry Richardson (airCloud) wrote:
> Having had the privilege of living through PG&E's rollout of 900MHz
> smart meters we will be impacted, it's just hard to say how much.
>
> The PG&E smart meters were essentially unity gain at full power. When it
> got into the 10's of thousands the AP saw -60dB across the board at 10
> miles from the nearest smart meter. With 5GHz, we have a much higher FSL
> and there will not be nearly as many withing a given sector.
>
> Making a few assumptions here:
> Pole AP is 27dB into a 6dB omni at 30' off the ground
> WISP sector antenna is 17dB at 200' off the ground
> At 1 mile the WISP AP is going to see ~60dB.
>
> If comcast does succeed in getting more 5GHz spectrum, it will be good
> for us as well as it will spread the noise out a bit lowering overall
noise.
>
> Better come up with a plan now as we will be affected. Comcast, like
> PG&E is going to tell you they are in compliance and to call their lawyers
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:25 AM, Matt Hoppes  <mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>> wrote:
>
> Right... I as well.. that's why I don't know what the answer is.
> Everyone's in this game, but some just play (seemingly) unfair... for
> example, it doesn't help anyone when you just go throwing up APs on
> cable plants and blasting all over the town.
>
> On the other hand Comcast may say it doesn't make sence for you (the
> WISP) to go sticking these high gain antennas up on the tower and
> covering the town!
>
>
> Matt Hoppes
> Director of Information Technology
> Indigo Wireless
> +1 (570) 723-7312 
>
> On 11/15/13, 11:19 AM, Eric Flanery wrote:
>  > How would you 'legally' define a WISP?
>  >
>  > What would make Comcast 'not a WISP', if they are delivering
> Internet over Wireless?
>  >
>  > If it's that they also deliver Internet over another medium,
> would we (and many other providers) also be excluded because we also
> deliver Internet over cable and fiber?
>  >
>  > If it's that they also provide TV service, then what about those
> of us that also run transport, hosting, development, and
> infrastructure services (examples among doubtless myriad others).
>  >
>  > Not that I wouldn't love some protected spectrum, I'm just having
> a hard time imagining anything that would prevent Comcast and the
> like from using it, while not also excluding quite a few of us.
>  >
>  > --Eric
>  >
>  > -Original Message-
>  > From: wireless-b

Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

[Mike Hammett]

I believe the H block of PCS will be up for auction soon. T-Mobile and Sprint 
have already vowed to not bid. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Matt Hoppes"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 10:04:12 AM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. 

Yes and no... I mean... yeah it's a pain to those of us trying to use 
the spectrum... but then again so is Comcast. 

This is exactly why there needs to be some sort of WISP only spectrum... 
with laws carefully written so Comcast can't just say they are a WISP. 


Matt Hoppes 
Director of Information Technology 
Indigo Wireless 
+1 (570) 723-7312 

On 11/15/13, 11:02 AM, Robert wrote: 
> Spectrum trashers At least if there's no traffic on them there 
> shouldn't be much noise.. 
> 
> On 11/15/2013 06:26 AM, Zach Mann wrote: 
>> He's talking about these... (see attached) 
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo 
>> mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>> wrote: 
>> 
>> I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm talking about 
>> the ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside runing through 
>> the city on every corner clear LOS to every tower around. 
>> 
>> Scott Carullo 
>> Technical Operations 
>> 855-FLSPEED x102 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> *From*: "Brian Webster" > <mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com>> 
>> *Sent*: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:24 AM 
>> *To*: "WISPA General List" > <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>> 
>> *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. 
>> 
>> One good thing about the higher bands and the noise floor is that 
>> free space loss works to your advantage. That being that a 5 GHz 
>> indoor Omni home AP router signal will fall off as an interference 
>> source as a much shorter distance than a 2.4 GHz device will. The 
>> laws of physics work in your favor. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thank You, 
>> 
>> Brian Webster 
>> 
>> www.wirelessmapping.com <http://www.wirelessmapping.com> 
>> 
>> www.Broadband-Mapping.com <http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
>> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> 
>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
>> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] *On Behalf Of *Scott Carullo 
>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:52 PM 
>> *To:* Matt Hoppes; sc...@brevardwireless.com 
>> <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>; WISPA General List 
>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up - 
>> we all know things work better when its quiet. This used to worry 
>> me a lot when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was already 
>> there and I had no idea until I just happened to scan on some radios 
>> (I don't usually install the stuff). I'm not worried any more, if 
>> its not one thing it will be another any way. Thats what gives us 
>> the edge every day, flexibility. We will work around it, we always do. 
>> 
>> I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE 
>> will continue to work fine. Their omni low gain antenna can't 
>> compete with a 20-30db directional one. Still sucks though, you 
>> drive down the street and see one after another running 5Ghz just 
>> knowing there probably isn't 3 connections in the whole city to them 
>> 
>> Scott Carullo 
>> Technical Operations 
>> 855-FLSPEED x102 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> *From*: "Matt Hoppes" > <mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>> 
>> *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:43 PM 
>> *To*: "sc...@brevardwireless.com <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>" 
>> mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>>, 
>> "WISPA General List" mailto:wireless@wispa.org>> 
>> *Cc*: "WISPA General List" > <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>> 
>> *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. 
>> 
>> Are you seeing any impact from them? 
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 14, 2013, at 18:03, "Scott Carullo" 
>> mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>> wrote: 
>&g

Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

[Mike Hammett]

HFC is what almost all cable is in the US. The exceptions being old analog 
systems that haven't been touched for 20 years. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Josh Luthman"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:56:16 AM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. 


"traffic to be backhauled over the Hybrid Fiber Coaxial (HFC) cable plant" 


Must be fiber for data and coax for DC. I thought it was DOCSIS over coax. 



Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 


On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Eric Muehleisen < ericm...@gmail.com > wrote: 



http://www.ruckuswireless.com/press/releases/20130610-ruckus-adds-zoneflex-7781cm-access-point-to-its-portfolio
 



$5k MSRP. Even at half that...ouch! 




On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:37 AM, Gino Villarini < g...@aeronetpr.com > wrote: 







Anyideas on the cost? It would be a great addition to any aerial fiber built 
out 

Gino A. Villarini 
g...@aeronetpr.com 
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 
787.273.4143 
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On 
Behalf Of Zach Mann 
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 10:30 AM 
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. 




It's not just Comcast, TW, Cox are also taking advantage of the simplicity of 
the newer 7781-CM Access Point. They are offering free wifi to existing clients 
for retention. Down the road cellular offloading 802.11u 



On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:27 AM, Matt Hoppes < mhop...@indigowireless.com > 
wrote: 
That's one way to avoid pole attachment fees! LOL. 

What is Comcast trying to accomplish with these? 


Matt Hoppes 
Director of Information Technology 
Indigo Wireless 
+1 (570) 723-7312 


On 11/15/13, 9:26 AM, Zach Mann wrote: 
> He's talking about these... (see attached) 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo 

> < sc...@brevardwireless.com > wrote: 
> 
> I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm talking about 
> the ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside runing through 
> the city on every corner clear LOS to every tower around. 
> 
> Scott Carullo 
> Technical Operations 
> 855-FLSPEED x102 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> *From*: "Brian Webster" < bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com 
> > 
> *Sent*: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:24 AM 
> *To*: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org 
> > 
> *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. 

> 
> One good thing about the higher bands and the noise floor is that 
> free space loss works to your advantage. That being that a 5 GHz 
> indoor Omni home AP router signal will fall off as an interference 
> source as a much shorter distance than a 2.4 GHz device will. The 
> laws of physics work in your favor. 
> 
> Thank You, 
> 
> Brian Webster 
> 
> www.wirelessmapping.com < http://www.wirelessmapping.com > 
> 
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com < http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com > 
> 
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
>  
> [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
> ] *On Behalf Of *Scott Carullo 
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:52 PM 
> *To:* Matt Hoppes; sc...@brevardwireless.com 
> ; WISPA General List 
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. 

> 
> Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up - 
> we all know things work better when its quiet. This used to worry 
> me a lot when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was already 
> there and I had no idea until I just happened to scan on some radios 
> (I don't usually install the stuff). I'm not worried any more, if 
> its not one thing it will be another any way. Thats what gives us 
> the edge every day, flexibility. We will work around it, we always do. 
> 
> I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE 
> will continue to work fine. Their omni low gain antenna can't 
> compete with a 20-30db directional one. Still sucks though, you 
> drive down the street and see one after another running 5Ghz just 
> knowing there probably isn't 3 connections in the whole city to them 
> 
> Scott Carullo 
> Technical Operations 
> 855-FLSPEED x102 
> 
> ------------ 
> 
> *From*: "Matt Hoppes" < mhop...@indigowireless.com 
> > 
> *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:43 PM 
> *To*: " sc...@brevardwireless.com " 
> <

Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

[Jerry Richardson (airCloud)]

They are doing exactly what airCloud is doing for Muni WiFi. Put up AP's
that cover 90% outside. Put $100 repeaters in the window as needed.


On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:48 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

> We can only hope for A/C 80MHz channels to spread the signal way out
> but also pollute more.
>
> The ridiculous thing is 5GHz doesn't go through buildings... what is
> Comcast attempting to do here?
>
>
> Matt Hoppes
> Director of Information Technology
> Indigo Wireless
> +1 (570) 723-7312
>
> On 11/15/13, 11:46 AM, Jerry Richardson (airCloud) wrote:
> > Having had the privilege of living through PG&E's rollout of 900MHz
> > smart meters we will be impacted, it's just hard to say how much.
> >
> > The PG&E smart meters were essentially unity gain at full power. When it
> > got into the 10's of thousands the AP saw -60dB across the board at 10
> > miles from the nearest smart meter. With 5GHz, we have a much higher FSL
> > and there will not be nearly as many withing a given sector.
> >
> > Making a few assumptions here:
> > Pole AP is 27dB into a 6dB omni at 30' off the ground
> > WISP sector antenna is 17dB at 200' off the ground
> > At 1 mile the WISP AP is going to see ~60dB.
> >
> > If comcast does succeed in getting more 5GHz spectrum, it will be good
> > for us as well as it will spread the noise out a bit lowering overall
> noise.
> >
> > Better come up with a plan now as we will be affected. Comcast, like
> > PG&E is going to tell you they are in compliance and to call their
> lawyers
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:25 AM, Matt Hoppes  > <mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Right... I as well.. that's why I don't know what the answer is.
> > Everyone's in this game, but some just play (seemingly) unfair... for
> > example, it doesn't help anyone when you just go throwing up APs on
> > cable plants and blasting all over the town.
> >
> > On the other hand Comcast may say it doesn't make sence for you (the
> > WISP) to go sticking these high gain antennas up on the tower and
> > covering the town!
> >
> >
> > Matt Hoppes
> > Director of Information Technology
> > Indigo Wireless
> > +1 (570) 723-7312 
> >
> > On 11/15/13, 11:19 AM, Eric Flanery wrote:
> >  > How would you 'legally' define a WISP?
> >  >
> >  > What would make Comcast 'not a WISP', if they are delivering
> > Internet over Wireless?
> >  >
> >  > If it's that they also deliver Internet over another medium,
> > would we (and many other providers) also be excluded because we also
> > deliver Internet over cable and fiber?
> >  >
> >  > If it's that they also provide TV service, then what about those
> > of us that also run transport, hosting, development, and
> > infrastructure services (examples among doubtless myriad others).
> >  >
> >  > Not that I wouldn't love some protected spectrum, I'm just having
> > a hard time imagining anything that would prevent Comcast and the
> > like from using it, while not also excluding quite a few of us.
> >  >
> >  > --Eric
> >  >
> >  > -Original Message-
> >  > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> > <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>
> > [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> > <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
> >  > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:04 AM
> >  > To: WISPA General List
> >  > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
> >  >
> >  > Yes and no... I mean... yeah it's a pain to those of us trying to
> use
> >  > the spectrum... but then again so is Comcast.
> >  >
> >  > This is exactly why there needs to be some sort of WISP only
> > spectrum...
> >  > with laws carefully written so Comcast can't just say they are a
> > WISP.
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > Matt Hoppes
> >  > Director of Information Technology
> >  > Indigo Wireless
> >  > +1 (570) 723-7312 
> >  >
> >  > On 11/15/13, 11:02 AM, Robert wrote:
> >  >> Spectrum trashers   At least if there's no traffic on them
> there
> &g

Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

[Matt Hoppes]

We can only hope for A/C 80MHz channels to spread the signal way out 
but also pollute more.

The ridiculous thing is 5GHz doesn't go through buildings... what is 
Comcast attempting to do here?


Matt Hoppes
Director of Information Technology
Indigo Wireless
+1 (570) 723-7312

On 11/15/13, 11:46 AM, Jerry Richardson (airCloud) wrote:
> Having had the privilege of living through PG&E's rollout of 900MHz
> smart meters we will be impacted, it's just hard to say how much.
>
> The PG&E smart meters were essentially unity gain at full power. When it
> got into the 10's of thousands the AP saw -60dB across the board at 10
> miles from the nearest smart meter. With 5GHz, we have a much higher FSL
> and there will not be nearly as many withing a given sector.
>
> Making a few assumptions here:
> Pole AP is 27dB into a 6dB omni at 30' off the ground
> WISP sector antenna is 17dB at 200' off the ground
> At 1 mile the WISP AP is going to see ~60dB.
>
> If comcast does succeed in getting more 5GHz spectrum, it will be good
> for us as well as it will spread the noise out a bit lowering overall noise.
>
> Better come up with a plan now as we will be affected. Comcast, like
> PG&E is going to tell you they are in compliance and to call their lawyers
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:25 AM, Matt Hoppes  <mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>> wrote:
>
> Right... I as well.. that's why I don't know what the answer is.
> Everyone's in this game, but some just play (seemingly) unfair... for
> example, it doesn't help anyone when you just go throwing up APs on
> cable plants and blasting all over the town.
>
> On the other hand Comcast may say it doesn't make sence for you (the
> WISP) to go sticking these high gain antennas up on the tower and
> covering the town!
>
>
> Matt Hoppes
> Director of Information Technology
> Indigo Wireless
> +1 (570) 723-7312 
>
> On 11/15/13, 11:19 AM, Eric Flanery wrote:
>  > How would you 'legally' define a WISP?
>  >
>  > What would make Comcast 'not a WISP', if they are delivering
> Internet over Wireless?
>  >
>  > If it's that they also deliver Internet over another medium,
> would we (and many other providers) also be excluded because we also
> deliver Internet over cable and fiber?
>  >
>  > If it's that they also provide TV service, then what about those
> of us that also run transport, hosting, development, and
> infrastructure services (examples among doubtless myriad others).
>  >
>  > Not that I wouldn't love some protected spectrum, I'm just having
> a hard time imagining anything that would prevent Comcast and the
> like from using it, while not also excluding quite a few of us.
>  >
>  > --Eric
>  >
>  > -----Original Message-
>  > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
>  > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:04 AM
>  > To: WISPA General List
>  > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>  >
>  > Yes and no... I mean... yeah it's a pain to those of us trying to use
>  > the spectrum... but then again so is Comcast.
>  >
>  > This is exactly why there needs to be some sort of WISP only
> spectrum...
>  > with laws carefully written so Comcast can't just say they are a
> WISP.
>  >
>  >
>  > Matt Hoppes
>  > Director of Information Technology
>  > Indigo Wireless
>  > +1 (570) 723-7312 
>  >
>  > On 11/15/13, 11:02 AM, Robert wrote:
>  >> Spectrum trashers   At least if there's no traffic on them there
>  >> shouldn't be much noise..
>  >>
>  >> On 11/15/2013 06:26 AM, Zach Mann wrote:
>  >>> He's talking about these... (see attached)
>  >>>
>  >>>
>  >>> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo
>  >>> mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>
> <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com
> <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>>> wrote:
>  >>>
>  >>>   I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm
> talking about
>  >>>   the ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside
>

Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

[Jerry Richardson (airCloud)]

Having had the privilege of living through PG&E's rollout of 900MHz smart
meters we will be impacted, it's just hard to say how much.

The PG&E smart meters were essentially unity gain at full power. When it
got into the 10's of thousands the AP saw -60dB across the board at 10
miles from the nearest smart meter. With 5GHz, we have a much higher FSL
and there will not be nearly as many withing a given sector.

Making a few assumptions here:
Pole AP is 27dB into a 6dB omni at 30' off the ground
WISP sector antenna is 17dB at 200' off the ground
At 1 mile the WISP AP is going to see ~60dB.

If comcast does succeed in getting more 5GHz spectrum, it will be good for
us as well as it will spread the noise out a bit lowering overall noise.

Better come up with a plan now as we will be affected. Comcast, like PG&E
is going to tell you they are in compliance and to call their lawyers


On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:25 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

> Right... I as well.. that's why I don't know what the answer is.
> Everyone's in this game, but some just play (seemingly) unfair... for
> example, it doesn't help anyone when you just go throwing up APs on
> cable plants and blasting all over the town.
>
> On the other hand Comcast may say it doesn't make sence for you (the
> WISP) to go sticking these high gain antennas up on the tower and
> covering the town!
>
>
> Matt Hoppes
> Director of Information Technology
> Indigo Wireless
> +1 (570) 723-7312
>
> On 11/15/13, 11:19 AM, Eric Flanery wrote:
> > How would you 'legally' define a WISP?
> >
> > What would make Comcast 'not a WISP', if they are delivering Internet
> over Wireless?
> >
> > If it's that they also deliver Internet over another medium, would we
> (and many other providers) also be excluded because we also deliver
> Internet over cable and fiber?
> >
> > If it's that they also provide TV service, then what about those of us
> that also run transport, hosting, development, and infrastructure services
> (examples among doubtless myriad others).
> >
> > Not that I wouldn't love some protected spectrum, I'm just having a hard
> time imagining anything that would prevent Comcast and the like from using
> it, while not also excluding quite a few of us.
> >
> > --Eric
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
> > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:04 AM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
> >
> > Yes and no... I mean... yeah it's a pain to those of us trying to use
> > the spectrum... but then again so is Comcast.
> >
> > This is exactly why there needs to be some sort of WISP only spectrum...
> > with laws carefully written so Comcast can't just say they are a WISP.
> >
> >
> > Matt Hoppes
> > Director of Information Technology
> > Indigo Wireless
> > +1 (570) 723-7312
> >
> > On 11/15/13, 11:02 AM, Robert wrote:
> >> Spectrum trashers   At least if there's no traffic on them there
> >> shouldn't be much noise..
> >>
> >> On 11/15/2013 06:26 AM, Zach Mann wrote:
> >>> He's talking about these... (see attached)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo
> >>> mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>   I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm talking
> about
> >>>   the ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside runing
> through
> >>>   the city on every corner  clear LOS to every tower around.
> >>>
> >>>   Scott Carullo
> >>>   Technical Operations
> >>>   855-FLSPEED x102
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> 
> >>>   *From*: "Brian Webster"  >>>   <mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com>>
> >>>   *Sent*: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:24 AM
> >>>   *To*: "WISPA General List"  >>>   <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
> >>>   *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
> >>>
> >>>   One good thing about the higher bands and the noise floor is that
> >>>   free space loss works to your advantage. That being that a 5 GHz
> >>>   indoor Omni home 

Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

[Matt Hoppes]

This is true... it also doesn't mean that COMPANY B can't deploy APs 
with COMPANY A's SSID and then charge or something

wait... I didn't say that.

On 11/15/13, 11:40 AM, Zach Mann wrote:
> Oh btw, even tho COMPANY A deploys these AP's and broadcasts their own
> SSID, doesn't mean the other players in town can't "pay" COMPANY A for
> their own SSID for their subscribers.  :)   It will be interesting to
> see how this all develops.
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Matt Hoppes
> mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>> wrote:
>
> Right... I as well.. that's why I don't know what the answer is.
> Everyone's in this game, but some just play (seemingly) unfair... for
> example, it doesn't help anyone when you just go throwing up APs on
> cable plants and blasting all over the town.
>
> On the other hand Comcast may say it doesn't make sence for you (the
> WISP) to go sticking these high gain antennas up on the tower and
> covering the town!
>
>
> Matt Hoppes
> Director of Information Technology
> Indigo Wireless
> +1 (570) 723-7312 
>
> On 11/15/13, 11:19 AM, Eric Flanery wrote:
>  > How would you 'legally' define a WISP?
>  >
>  > What would make Comcast 'not a WISP', if they are delivering
> Internet over Wireless?
>  >
>  > If it's that they also deliver Internet over another medium,
> would we (and many other providers) also be excluded because we also
> deliver Internet over cable and fiber?
>  >
>  > If it's that they also provide TV service, then what about those
> of us that also run transport, hosting, development, and
> infrastructure services (examples among doubtless myriad others).
>  >
>  > Not that I wouldn't love some protected spectrum, I'm just having
> a hard time imagining anything that would prevent Comcast and the
> like from using it, while not also excluding quite a few of us.
>  >
>  > --Eric
>  >
>  > -Original Message-
>      > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
>  > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:04 AM
>  > To: WISPA General List
>  > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>  >
>  > Yes and no... I mean... yeah it's a pain to those of us trying to use
>  > the spectrum... but then again so is Comcast.
>  >
>  > This is exactly why there needs to be some sort of WISP only
> spectrum...
>  > with laws carefully written so Comcast can't just say they are a
> WISP.
>  >
>  >
>  > Matt Hoppes
>  > Director of Information Technology
>  > Indigo Wireless
>  > +1 (570) 723-7312 
>  >
>  > On 11/15/13, 11:02 AM, Robert wrote:
>  >> Spectrum trashers   At least if there's no traffic on them there
>  >> shouldn't be much noise..
>  >>
>  >> On 11/15/2013 06:26 AM, Zach Mann wrote:
>  >>> He's talking about these... (see attached)
>  >>>
>  >>>
>  >>> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo
>  >>> mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>
> <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com
> <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>>> wrote:
>  >>>
>  >>>   I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm
> talking about
>  >>>   the ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside
> runing through
>  >>>   the city on every corner  clear LOS to every tower
> around.
>  >>>
>  >>>   Scott Carullo
>  >>>   Technical Operations
>  >>>   855-FLSPEED x102
>  >>>
>  >>>
>  >>>
>  >>>
> 
>  >>>   *From*: "Brian Webster"  <mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com>
>  >>>   <mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com
> <mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com>>>
>  >>>   *Sent*: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:24 AM
>  >>>   *To*: "WISPA General List"  &l

Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

[Zach Mann]

Oh btw, even tho COMPANY A deploys these AP's and broadcasts their own
SSID, doesn't mean the other players in town can't "pay" COMPANY A for
their own SSID for their subscribers.  :)   It will be interesting to see
how this all develops.


On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

> Right... I as well.. that's why I don't know what the answer is.
> Everyone's in this game, but some just play (seemingly) unfair... for
> example, it doesn't help anyone when you just go throwing up APs on
> cable plants and blasting all over the town.
>
> On the other hand Comcast may say it doesn't make sence for you (the
> WISP) to go sticking these high gain antennas up on the tower and
> covering the town!
>
>
> Matt Hoppes
> Director of Information Technology
> Indigo Wireless
> +1 (570) 723-7312
>
> On 11/15/13, 11:19 AM, Eric Flanery wrote:
> > How would you 'legally' define a WISP?
> >
> > What would make Comcast 'not a WISP', if they are delivering Internet
> over Wireless?
> >
> > If it's that they also deliver Internet over another medium, would we
> (and many other providers) also be excluded because we also deliver
> Internet over cable and fiber?
> >
> > If it's that they also provide TV service, then what about those of us
> that also run transport, hosting, development, and infrastructure services
> (examples among doubtless myriad others).
> >
> > Not that I wouldn't love some protected spectrum, I'm just having a hard
> time imagining anything that would prevent Comcast and the like from using
> it, while not also excluding quite a few of us.
> >
> > --Eric
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
> > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:04 AM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
> >
> > Yes and no... I mean... yeah it's a pain to those of us trying to use
> > the spectrum... but then again so is Comcast.
> >
> > This is exactly why there needs to be some sort of WISP only spectrum...
> > with laws carefully written so Comcast can't just say they are a WISP.
> >
> >
> > Matt Hoppes
> > Director of Information Technology
> > Indigo Wireless
> > +1 (570) 723-7312
> >
> > On 11/15/13, 11:02 AM, Robert wrote:
> >> Spectrum trashers   At least if there's no traffic on them there
> >> shouldn't be much noise..
> >>
> >> On 11/15/2013 06:26 AM, Zach Mann wrote:
> >>> He's talking about these... (see attached)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo
> >>> mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>   I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm talking
> about
> >>>   the ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside runing
> through
> >>>   the city on every corner  clear LOS to every tower around.
> >>>
> >>>   Scott Carullo
> >>>   Technical Operations
> >>>   855-FLSPEED x102
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> 
> >>>   *From*: "Brian Webster"  >>>   <mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com>>
> >>>   *Sent*: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:24 AM
> >>>   *To*: "WISPA General List"  >>>   <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
> >>>   *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
> >>>
> >>>   One good thing about the higher bands and the noise floor is that
> >>>   free space loss works to your advantage. That being that a 5 GHz
> >>>   indoor Omni home AP router signal will fall off as an
> interference
> >>>   source as a much shorter distance than a 2.4 GHz device will. The
> >>>   laws of physics work in your favor.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>   Thank You,
> >>>
> >>>   Brian Webster
> >>>
> >>>   www.wirelessmapping.com <http://www.wirelessmapping.com>
> >>>
> >>>   www.Broadband-Mapping.com <http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>   *From:*wireless-

Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

[Matt Hoppes]

Right... I as well.. that's why I don't know what the answer is. 
Everyone's in this game, but some just play (seemingly) unfair... for 
example, it doesn't help anyone when you just go throwing up APs on 
cable plants and blasting all over the town.

On the other hand Comcast may say it doesn't make sence for you (the 
WISP) to go sticking these high gain antennas up on the tower and 
covering the town!


Matt Hoppes
Director of Information Technology
Indigo Wireless
+1 (570) 723-7312

On 11/15/13, 11:19 AM, Eric Flanery wrote:
> How would you 'legally' define a WISP?
>
> What would make Comcast 'not a WISP', if they are delivering Internet over 
> Wireless?
>
> If it's that they also deliver Internet over another medium, would we (and 
> many other providers) also be excluded because we also deliver Internet over 
> cable and fiber?
>
> If it's that they also provide TV service, then what about those of us that 
> also run transport, hosting, development, and infrastructure services 
> (examples among doubtless myriad others).
>
> Not that I wouldn't love some protected spectrum, I'm just having a hard time 
> imagining anything that would prevent Comcast and the like from using it, 
> while not also excluding quite a few of us.
>
> --Eric
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
> Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:04 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>
> Yes and no... I mean... yeah it's a pain to those of us trying to use
> the spectrum... but then again so is Comcast.
>
> This is exactly why there needs to be some sort of WISP only spectrum...
> with laws carefully written so Comcast can't just say they are a WISP.
>
>
> Matt Hoppes
> Director of Information Technology
> Indigo Wireless
> +1 (570) 723-7312
>
> On 11/15/13, 11:02 AM, Robert wrote:
>> Spectrum trashers   At least if there's no traffic on them there
>> shouldn't be much noise..
>>
>> On 11/15/2013 06:26 AM, Zach Mann wrote:
>>> He's talking about these... (see attached)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo
>>> mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>   I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm talking about
>>>   the ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside runing through
>>>   the city on every corner  clear LOS to every tower around.
>>>
>>>   Scott Carullo
>>>   Technical Operations
>>>   855-FLSPEED x102
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>> 
>>>   *From*: "Brian Webster" >>   <mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com>>
>>>   *Sent*: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:24 AM
>>>   *To*: "WISPA General List" >>   <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
>>>   *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>>>
>>>   One good thing about the higher bands and the noise floor is that
>>>   free space loss works to your advantage. That being that a 5 GHz
>>>   indoor Omni home AP router signal will fall off as an interference
>>>   source as a much shorter distance than a 2.4 GHz device will. The
>>>   laws of physics work in your favor.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   Thank You,
>>>
>>>   Brian Webster
>>>
>>>   www.wirelessmapping.com <http://www.wirelessmapping.com>
>>>
>>>   www.Broadband-Mapping.com <http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>>>   <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>
>>>   [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>>>   <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] *On Behalf Of *Scott Carullo
>>>   *Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:52 PM
>>>   *To:* Matt Hoppes; sc...@brevardwireless.com
>>>   <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>; WISPA General List
>>>   *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up -
>>>   we all know things work better when its quiet.  This used to worry
>>>   me a lot when I saw it coming,

Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

[Robert]

Of course they gave it a thought...   "Hmmm I wonder when we can get
some of these with even more power?"It's a snatch and grab...  If
they can chase everyone away, it's theirs

On 11/15/2013 08:18 AM, Zach Mann wrote:
> Coming from the WISP side, I asked them why they have these blasting at
> full power, 24/7 when the zone director surely could manage power levels
> when needed.
> 
> I didn't get a answer.  I don't think they even gave it a thought about
> who they might interfere with.   
> 
> On Friday, November 15, 2013, Robert wrote:
> 
> Spectrum trashers   At least if there's no traffic on them there
> shouldn't be much noise..
> 
> On 11/15/2013 06:26 AM, Zach Mann wrote:
> > He's talking about these... (see attached)
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo
> > 
> <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com >> wrote:
> >
> > I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm talking about
> > the ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside runing
> through
> > the city on every corner  clear LOS to every tower around.
> >
> > Scott Carullo
> > Technical Operations
> > 855-FLSPEED x102
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> > *From*: "Brian Webster"  
> > <mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com >>
> > *Sent*: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:24 AM
> > *To*: "WISPA General List" 
> > <mailto:wireless@wispa.org >>
> > *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
> >
> > One good thing about the higher bands and the noise floor is that
> > free space loss works to your advantage. That being that a 5 GHz
> > indoor Omni home AP router signal will fall off as an interference
> > source as a much shorter distance than a 2.4 GHz device will. The
> > laws of physics work in your favor.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thank You,
> >
> > Brian Webster
> >
> > www.wirelessmapping.com <http://www.wirelessmapping.com>
> <http://www.wirelessmapping.com>
> >
> > www.Broadband-Mapping.com <http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com>
> <http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com>
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
> > <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org >
> > [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
> > <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org >] *On Behalf
> Of *Scott Carullo
> > *Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:52 PM
> > *To:* Matt Hoppes; sc...@brevardwireless.com 
> > <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com >; WISPA
> General List
> > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
> >
> >
> >
> > Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up -
> > we all know things work better when its quiet.  This used to worry
> > me a lot when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was already
> > there and I had no idea until I just happened to scan on some
> radios
> > (I don't usually install the stuff).  I'm not worried any more, if
> > its not one thing it will be another any way.  Thats what gives us
> > the edge every day, flexibility.  We will work around it, we
> always do.
> >
> > I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good
> directional CPE
> > will continue to work fine.  Their omni low gain antenna can't
> > compete with a 20-30db directional one.  Still sucks though, you
> > drive down the street and see one after another running 5Ghz just
> > knowing there probably isn't 3 connections in the whole city
> to them
> >
> > Scott Carullo
> >     Technical Operations
> > 855-FLSPEED x102
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> >
> > *From*: "Matt Hoppes" 
> > <mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com >>
> > *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:43 PM
> > *To*: &qu

Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

[Eric Flanery]

How would you 'legally' define a WISP?

What would make Comcast 'not a WISP', if they are delivering Internet over 
Wireless?

If it's that they also deliver Internet over another medium, would we (and many 
other providers) also be excluded because we also deliver Internet over cable 
and fiber?

If it's that they also provide TV service, then what about those of us that 
also run transport, hosting, development, and infrastructure services (examples 
among doubtless myriad others).

Not that I wouldn't love some protected spectrum, I'm just having a hard time 
imagining anything that would prevent Comcast and the like from using it, while 
not also excluding quite a few of us.

--Eric

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:04 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

Yes and no... I mean... yeah it's a pain to those of us trying to use 
the spectrum... but then again so is Comcast.

This is exactly why there needs to be some sort of WISP only spectrum... 
with laws carefully written so Comcast can't just say they are a WISP.


Matt Hoppes
Director of Information Technology
Indigo Wireless
+1 (570) 723-7312

On 11/15/13, 11:02 AM, Robert wrote:
> Spectrum trashers   At least if there's no traffic on them there
> shouldn't be much noise..
>
> On 11/15/2013 06:26 AM, Zach Mann wrote:
>> He's talking about these... (see attached)
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo
>> mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>> wrote:
>>
>>  I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm talking about
>>  the ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside runing through
>>  the city on every corner  clear LOS to every tower around.
>>
>>  Scott Carullo
>>  Technical Operations
>>  855-FLSPEED x102
>>
>>
>>
>>  
>>  *From*: "Brian Webster" >  <mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com>>
>>  *Sent*: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:24 AM
>>  *To*: "WISPA General List" >  <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
>>  *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>>
>>  One good thing about the higher bands and the noise floor is that
>>  free space loss works to your advantage. That being that a 5 GHz
>>  indoor Omni home AP router signal will fall off as an interference
>>  source as a much shorter distance than a 2.4 GHz device will. The
>>  laws of physics work in your favor.
>>
>>
>>
>>  Thank You,
>>
>>  Brian Webster
>>
>>  www.wirelessmapping.com <http://www.wirelessmapping.com>
>>
>>  www.Broadband-Mapping.com <http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com>
>>
>>
>>
>>      *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>>  <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>
>>  [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>>  <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] *On Behalf Of *Scott Carullo
>>  *Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:52 PM
>>  *To:* Matt Hoppes; sc...@brevardwireless.com
>>  <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>; WISPA General List
>>  *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>>
>>
>>
>>  Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up -
>>  we all know things work better when its quiet.  This used to worry
>>  me a lot when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was already
>>  there and I had no idea until I just happened to scan on some radios
>>  (I don't usually install the stuff).  I'm not worried any more, if
>>  its not one thing it will be another any way.  Thats what gives us
>>  the edge every day, flexibility.  We will work around it, we always do.
>>
>>  I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE
>>  will continue to work fine.  Their omni low gain antenna can't
>>  compete with a 20-30db directional one.  Still sucks though, you
>>  drive down the street and see one after another running 5Ghz just
>>  knowing there probably isn't 3 connections in the whole city to them
>>
>>  Scott Carullo
>>  Technical Operations
>>  855-FLSPEED x102
>>
>>
>>
>>  
>>

Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

[Zach Mann]

Coming from the WISP side, I asked them why they have these blasting at
full power, 24/7 when the zone director surely could manage power levels
when needed.

I didn't get a answer.  I don't think they even gave it a thought about who
they might interfere with.

On Friday, November 15, 2013, Robert wrote:

> Spectrum trashers   At least if there's no traffic on them there
> shouldn't be much noise..
>
> On 11/15/2013 06:26 AM, Zach Mann wrote:
> > He's talking about these... (see attached)
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo
> >   sc...@brevardwireless.com >> wrote:
> >
> > I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm talking about
> > the ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside runing through
> > the city on every corner  clear LOS to every tower around.
> >
> > Scott Carullo
> > Technical Operations
> > 855-FLSPEED x102
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> > *From*: "Brian Webster" 
> > <mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com >>
> > *Sent*: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:24 AM
> > *To*: "WISPA General List" 
> > <mailto:wireless@wispa.org >>
> > *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
> >
> > One good thing about the higher bands and the noise floor is that
> > free space loss works to your advantage. That being that a 5 GHz
> > indoor Omni home AP router signal will fall off as an interference
> > source as a much shorter distance than a 2.4 GHz device will. The
> > laws of physics work in your favor.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thank You,
> >
> > Brian Webster
> >
> > www.wirelessmapping.com <http://www.wirelessmapping.com>
> >
> > www.Broadband-Mapping.com <http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com>
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
> >     <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org >
> > [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
> > <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org >] *On Behalf Of
> *Scott Carullo
> > *Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:52 PM
> > *To:* Matt Hoppes; sc...@brevardwireless.com 
> > <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com >; WISPA General
> List
> > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
> >
> >
> >
> > Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up -
> > we all know things work better when its quiet.  This used to worry
> > me a lot when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was already
> > there and I had no idea until I just happened to scan on some radios
> > (I don't usually install the stuff).  I'm not worried any more, if
> > its not one thing it will be another any way.  Thats what gives us
> > the edge every day, flexibility.  We will work around it, we always
> do.
> >
> > I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE
> > will continue to work fine.  Their omni low gain antenna can't
> > compete with a 20-30db directional one.  Still sucks though, you
> > drive down the street and see one after another running 5Ghz just
> > knowing there probably isn't 3 connections in the whole city to
> them
> >
> >     Scott Carullo
> > Technical Operations
> > 855-FLSPEED x102
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> >
> > *From*: "Matt Hoppes" 
> > <mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com >>
> > *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:43 PM
> > *To*: "sc...@brevardwireless.com   sc...@brevardwireless.com >"
> >   sc...@brevardwireless.com >>,
> > "WISPA General List"   wireless@wispa.org >>
> > *Cc*: "WISPA General List" 
> > <mailto:wireless@wispa.org >>
> > *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
> >
> > Are you seeing any impact from them?
> >
> >
> > On Nov 14, 2013, at 18:03, "Scott Carullo"
> >   sc...@brevardwireless.com >> wrote:
> >
> > Yeah, won't matter either way with a 5Ghz AP on every street
> > corner.  Already seeing that in our areas  do a wireless

Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

[Chuck Hogg]

And then you have this...
http://www.aglmediagroup.com/joint-use-power-poles-raise-safety-issues/

Regards,
Chuck


On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

> Yes and no... I mean... yeah it's a pain to those of us trying to use
> the spectrum... but then again so is Comcast.
>
> This is exactly why there needs to be some sort of WISP only spectrum...
> with laws carefully written so Comcast can't just say they are a WISP.
>
>
> Matt Hoppes
> Director of Information Technology
> Indigo Wireless
> +1 (570) 723-7312
>
> On 11/15/13, 11:02 AM, Robert wrote:
> > Spectrum trashers   At least if there's no traffic on them there
> > shouldn't be much noise..
> >
> > On 11/15/2013 06:26 AM, Zach Mann wrote:
> >> He's talking about these... (see attached)
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo
> >> mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >>  I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm talking about
> >>  the ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside runing
> through
> >>  the city on every corner  clear LOS to every tower around.
> >>
> >>  Scott Carullo
> >>  Technical Operations
> >>  855-FLSPEED x102
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>  --------
> >>  *From*: "Brian Webster"  >>  <mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com>>
> >>  *Sent*: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:24 AM
> >>  *To*: "WISPA General List"  >>  <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
> >>  *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
> >>
> >>  One good thing about the higher bands and the noise floor is that
> >>  free space loss works to your advantage. That being that a 5 GHz
> >>  indoor Omni home AP router signal will fall off as an interference
> >>  source as a much shorter distance than a 2.4 GHz device will. The
> >>  laws of physics work in your favor.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>  Thank You,
> >>
> >>  Brian Webster
> >>
> >>  www.wirelessmapping.com <http://www.wirelessmapping.com>
> >>
> >>  www.Broadband-Mapping.com <http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>  *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> >>  <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>
> >>  [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> >>  <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] *On Behalf Of *Scott Carullo
> >>  *Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:52 PM
> >>  *To:* Matt Hoppes; sc...@brevardwireless.com
> >>  <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>; WISPA General List
> >>  *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>  Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up -
> >>  we all know things work better when its quiet.  This used to worry
> >>  me a lot when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was already
> >>  there and I had no idea until I just happened to scan on some
> radios
> >>  (I don't usually install the stuff).  I'm not worried any more, if
> >>  its not one thing it will be another any way.  Thats what gives us
> >>  the edge every day, flexibility.  We will work around it, we
> always do.
> >>
> >>  I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE
> >>  will continue to work fine.  Their omni low gain antenna can't
> >>  compete with a 20-30db directional one.  Still sucks though, you
> >>  drive down the street and see one after another running 5Ghz just
> >>  knowing there probably isn't 3 connections in the whole city to
> them
> >>
> >>  Scott Carullo
> >>  Technical Operations
> >>  855-FLSPEED x102
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>  
> >>
> >>  *From*: "Matt Hoppes"  >>  <mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>>
> >>  *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:43 PM
> >>  *To*: "sc...@brevardwireless.com <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com
> >"
> >>  mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>>

Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

[Matt Hoppes]

Yes and no... I mean... yeah it's a pain to those of us trying to use 
the spectrum... but then again so is Comcast.

This is exactly why there needs to be some sort of WISP only spectrum... 
with laws carefully written so Comcast can't just say they are a WISP.


Matt Hoppes
Director of Information Technology
Indigo Wireless
+1 (570) 723-7312

On 11/15/13, 11:02 AM, Robert wrote:
> Spectrum trashers   At least if there's no traffic on them there
> shouldn't be much noise..
>
> On 11/15/2013 06:26 AM, Zach Mann wrote:
>> He's talking about these... (see attached)
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo
>> mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>> wrote:
>>
>>  I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm talking about
>>  the ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside runing through
>>  the city on every corner  clear LOS to every tower around.
>>
>>  Scott Carullo
>>  Technical Operations
>>  855-FLSPEED x102
>>
>>
>>
>>  
>>  *From*: "Brian Webster" >  <mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com>>
>>  *Sent*: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:24 AM
>>  *To*: "WISPA General List" >  <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
>>  *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>>
>>  One good thing about the higher bands and the noise floor is that
>>  free space loss works to your advantage. That being that a 5 GHz
>>  indoor Omni home AP router signal will fall off as an interference
>>  source as a much shorter distance than a 2.4 GHz device will. The
>>  laws of physics work in your favor.
>>
>>
>>
>>  Thank You,
>>
>>  Brian Webster
>>
>>  www.wirelessmapping.com <http://www.wirelessmapping.com>
>>
>>  www.Broadband-Mapping.com <http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com>
>>
>>
>>
>>  *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>>  <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>
>>  [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>>  <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] *On Behalf Of *Scott Carullo
>>  *Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:52 PM
>>  *To:* Matt Hoppes; sc...@brevardwireless.com
>>  <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>; WISPA General List
>>  *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>>
>>
>>
>>  Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up -
>>  we all know things work better when its quiet.  This used to worry
>>  me a lot when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was already
>>  there and I had no idea until I just happened to scan on some radios
>>  (I don't usually install the stuff).  I'm not worried any more, if
>>  its not one thing it will be another any way.  Thats what gives us
>>  the edge every day, flexibility.  We will work around it, we always do.
>>
>>  I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE
>>  will continue to work fine.  Their omni low gain antenna can't
>>  compete with a 20-30db directional one.  Still sucks though, you
>>  drive down the street and see one after another running 5Ghz just
>>  knowing there probably isn't 3 connections in the whole city to them
>>
>>  Scott Carullo
>>  Technical Operations
>>  855-FLSPEED x102
>>
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>>  *From*: "Matt Hoppes" >  <mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>>
>>  *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:43 PM
>>  *To*: "sc...@brevardwireless.com <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>"
>>  mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>>,
>>  "WISPA General List" mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
>>  *Cc*: "WISPA General List" >  <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
>>  *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>>
>>  Are you seeing any impact from them?
>>
>>
>>  On Nov 14, 2013, at 18:03, "Scott Carullo"
>>  mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>> wrote:
>>
>>  Yeah, won't matter either way with a 5Ghz AP on every street
>>  corner.  Already seeing that in our areas  do a wireless
>>  scan and you

Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

[Robert]

Spectrum trashers   At least if there's no traffic on them there
shouldn't be much noise..

On 11/15/2013 06:26 AM, Zach Mann wrote:
> He's talking about these... (see attached)
> 
> 
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo
> mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>> wrote:
> 
> I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm talking about
> the ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside runing through
> the city on every corner  clear LOS to every tower around.
> 
> Scott Carullo
> Technical Operations
> 855-FLSPEED x102
> 
> 
> 
> 
> *From*: "Brian Webster"  <mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com>>
> *Sent*: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:24 AM
> *To*: "WISPA General List"  <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
> *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
> 
> One good thing about the higher bands and the noise floor is that
> free space loss works to your advantage. That being that a 5 GHz
> indoor Omni home AP router signal will fall off as an interference
> source as a much shorter distance than a 2.4 GHz device will. The
> laws of physics work in your favor.
> 
>  
> 
> Thank You,
> 
> Brian Webster
> 
> www.wirelessmapping.com <http://www.wirelessmapping.com>
> 
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com <http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com>
> 
>  
> 
> *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] *On Behalf Of *Scott Carullo
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:52 PM
> *To:* Matt Hoppes; sc...@brevardwireless.com
> <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>; WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
> 
>  
> 
> Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up -
> we all know things work better when its quiet.  This used to worry
> me a lot when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was already
> there and I had no idea until I just happened to scan on some radios
> (I don't usually install the stuff).  I'm not worried any more, if
> its not one thing it will be another any way.  Thats what gives us
> the edge every day, flexibility.  We will work around it, we always do.
> 
> I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE
> will continue to work fine.  Their omni low gain antenna can't
> compete with a 20-30db directional one.  Still sucks though, you
> drive down the street and see one after another running 5Ghz just
> knowing there probably isn't 3 connections in the whole city to them
> 
> Scott Carullo
> Technical Operations
> 855-FLSPEED x102
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> *From*: "Matt Hoppes"      <mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>>
> *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:43 PM
> *To*: "sc...@brevardwireless.com <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>"
> mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>>,
> "WISPA General List" mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
> *Cc*: "WISPA General List"  <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
> *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
> 
> Are you seeing any impact from them?
> 
> 
> On Nov 14, 2013, at 18:03, "Scott Carullo"
> mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>> wrote:
> 
> Yeah, won't matter either way with a 5Ghz AP on every street
> corner.  Already seeing that in our areas  do a wireless
> scan and you see 354 5Ghz APs now in addition to the 2Ghz ones
> (they run dual band APs now).
> 
> Scott Carullo
> Technical Operations
> 855-FLSPEED x102
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> *From*: "Bret Clark"  <mailto:bcl...@spectraaccess.com>>
> *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:49 PM
> *To*: wireless@wispa.org <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>
> *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
> 
> What could go wrong with Comcast taking up yet more 5GHz of
> spectrum...[/sarcasm off]
> 
> On 11/14/2013 01:40 PM, ralph wrote:
> 

Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

[Zach Mann]

Headend > Fiber > Node > Coax Plant


On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 9:00 AM, Zach Mann  wrote:

> It just means that they have their own fiber over-lashed with their coax
> infrastructure.
>
> "The cable television HFC architecture consists of five major components:
>
>1. the headend;
>2. optical fiber;
>3. feeder cable;
>4. drop cable; and
>5. terminal equipment."
>6.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:56 AM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
>
>> "traffic to be backhauled over the Hybrid Fiber Coaxial (HFC) cable plant"
>>
>> Must be fiber for data and coax for DC.  I thought it was DOCSIS over
>> coax.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Eric Muehleisen wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> http://www.ruckuswireless.com/press/releases/20130610-ruckus-adds-zoneflex-7781cm-access-point-to-its-portfolio
>>>
>>> $5k MSRP. Even at half that...ouch!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:37 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>>>
>>>>  Anyideas on the cost? It would be a great addition to any aerial
>>>> fiber built out
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Gino A. Villarini
>>>>
>>>> g...@aeronetpr.com
>>>>
>>>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>>>
>>>> 787.273.4143
>>>>
>>>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
>>>> Behalf Of *Zach Mann
>>>> *Sent:* Friday, November 15, 2013 10:30 AM
>>>> *To:* WISPA General List
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's not just Comcast, TW, Cox are also taking advantage of the
>>>> simplicity of the newer 7781-CM Access Point.   They are offering free wifi
>>>> to existing clients for retention.  Down the road cellular offloading
>>>> 802.11u
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:27 AM, Matt Hoppes <
>>>> mhop...@indigowireless.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> That's one way to avoid pole attachment fees! LOL.
>>>>
>>>> What is Comcast trying to accomplish with these?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Matt Hoppes
>>>> Director of Information Technology
>>>> Indigo Wireless
>>>> +1 (570) 723-7312
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 11/15/13, 9:26 AM, Zach Mann wrote:
>>>> > He's talking about these... (see attached)
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo
>>>>
>>>> > mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm talking about
>>>> > the ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside runing
>>>> through
>>>> > the city on every corner  clear LOS to every tower around.
>>>> >
>>>> > Scott Carullo
>>>> > Technical Operations
>>>> > 855-FLSPEED x102
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> 
>>>> > *From*: "Brian Webster" >>> > <mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com>>
>>>> > *Sent*: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:24 AM
>>>> > *To*: "WISPA General List" >>> > <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
>>>> > *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> > One good thing about the higher bands and the noise floor is that
>>>> > free space loss works to your advantage. That being that a 5 GHz
>>>> > indoor Omni home AP router signal will fall off as an interference
>>>> > source as a much shorter distance than a 2.4 GHz device will. The
>>>> > laws of physics work in your favor.
>>>> >
>>>> > Thank You,
>>>> >
>>>> > Brian Webster
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> > www.wirelessmapping.com <h

Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

[Zach Mann]

It just means that they have their own fiber over-lashed with their coax
infrastructure.

"The cable television HFC architecture consists of five major components:

   1. the headend;
   2. optical fiber;
   3. feeder cable;
   4. drop cable; and
   5. terminal equipment."
   6.



On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:56 AM, Josh Luthman
wrote:

> "traffic to be backhauled over the Hybrid Fiber Coaxial (HFC) cable plant"
>
> Must be fiber for data and coax for DC.  I thought it was DOCSIS over coax.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Eric Muehleisen wrote:
>
>>
>> http://www.ruckuswireless.com/press/releases/20130610-ruckus-adds-zoneflex-7781cm-access-point-to-its-portfolio
>>
>> $5k MSRP. Even at half that...ouch!
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:37 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>>
>>>  Anyideas on the cost? It would be a great addition to any aerial fiber
>>> built out
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Gino A. Villarini
>>>
>>> g...@aeronetpr.com
>>>
>>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>>
>>> 787.273.4143
>>>
>>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Zach Mann
>>> *Sent:* Friday, November 15, 2013 10:30 AM
>>> *To:* WISPA General List
>>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It's not just Comcast, TW, Cox are also taking advantage of the
>>> simplicity of the newer 7781-CM Access Point.   They are offering free wifi
>>> to existing clients for retention.  Down the road cellular offloading
>>> 802.11u
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:27 AM, Matt Hoppes 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> That's one way to avoid pole attachment fees! LOL.
>>>
>>> What is Comcast trying to accomplish with these?
>>>
>>>
>>> Matt Hoppes
>>> Director of Information Technology
>>> Indigo Wireless
>>> +1 (570) 723-7312
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/15/13, 9:26 AM, Zach Mann wrote:
>>> > He's talking about these... (see attached)
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo
>>>
>>> > mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm talking about
>>> > the ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside runing
>>> through
>>> > the city on every corner  clear LOS to every tower around.
>>> >
>>> > Scott Carullo
>>> > Technical Operations
>>> > 855-FLSPEED x102
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>> >
>>> 
>>> > *From*: "Brian Webster" >> > <mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com>>
>>> > *Sent*: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:24 AM
>>> > *To*: "WISPA General List" >> > <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
>>> > *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>>>
>>> >
>>> > One good thing about the higher bands and the noise floor is that
>>> > free space loss works to your advantage. That being that a 5 GHz
>>> > indoor Omni home AP router signal will fall off as an interference
>>> > source as a much shorter distance than a 2.4 GHz device will. The
>>> > laws of physics work in your favor.
>>> >
>>> > Thank You,
>>> >
>>> > Brian Webster
>>> >
>>>
>>> > www.wirelessmapping.com <http://www.wirelessmapping.com>
>>> >
>>> > www.Broadband-Mapping.com <http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com>
>>> >
>>> > *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>>> > <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>
>>> > [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>>> > <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] *On Behalf Of *Scott Carullo
>>> > *Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:52 PM
>>> > *To:* Matt Hoppes; sc...@brevardwireless.com
>>> >

Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

[Josh Luthman]

"traffic to be backhauled over the Hybrid Fiber Coaxial (HFC) cable plant"

Must be fiber for data and coax for DC.  I thought it was DOCSIS over coax.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Eric Muehleisen  wrote:

>
> http://www.ruckuswireless.com/press/releases/20130610-ruckus-adds-zoneflex-7781cm-access-point-to-its-portfolio
>
> $5k MSRP. Even at half that...ouch!
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:37 AM, Gino Villarini  wrote:
>
>>  Anyideas on the cost? It would be a great addition to any aerial fiber
>> built out
>>
>>
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>>
>> g...@aeronetpr.com
>>
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>
>> 787.273.4143
>>
>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
>> Behalf Of *Zach Mann
>> *Sent:* Friday, November 15, 2013 10:30 AM
>> *To:* WISPA General List
>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>>
>>
>>
>> It's not just Comcast, TW, Cox are also taking advantage of the
>> simplicity of the newer 7781-CM Access Point.   They are offering free wifi
>> to existing clients for retention.  Down the road cellular offloading
>> 802.11u
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:27 AM, Matt Hoppes 
>> wrote:
>>
>> That's one way to avoid pole attachment fees! LOL.
>>
>> What is Comcast trying to accomplish with these?
>>
>>
>> Matt Hoppes
>> Director of Information Technology
>> Indigo Wireless
>> +1 (570) 723-7312
>>
>>
>> On 11/15/13, 9:26 AM, Zach Mann wrote:
>> > He's talking about these... (see attached)
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo
>>
>> > mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> > I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm talking about
>> > the ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside runing through
>> > the city on every corner  clear LOS to every tower around.
>> >
>> > Scott Carullo
>> > Technical Operations
>> > 855-FLSPEED x102
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> >
>> 
>> > *From*: "Brian Webster" > > <mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com>>
>> > *Sent*: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:24 AM
>> > *To*: "WISPA General List" > > <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
>> > *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>>
>> >
>> > One good thing about the higher bands and the noise floor is that
>> > free space loss works to your advantage. That being that a 5 GHz
>> > indoor Omni home AP router signal will fall off as an interference
>> > source as a much shorter distance than a 2.4 GHz device will. The
>> > laws of physics work in your favor.
>> >
>> > Thank You,
>> >
>> > Brian Webster
>> >
>>
>> > www.wirelessmapping.com <http://www.wirelessmapping.com>
>> >
>> > www.Broadband-Mapping.com <http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com>
>> >
>> > *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>> > <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>
>> > [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>> > <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] *On Behalf Of *Scott Carullo
>> > *Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:52 PM
>> > *To:* Matt Hoppes; sc...@brevardwireless.com
>> > <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>; WISPA General List
>> > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>>
>> >
>> > Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up -
>> > we all know things work better when its quiet.  This used to worry
>> > me a lot when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was already
>> > there and I had no idea until I just happened to scan on some radios
>> > (I don't usually install the stuff).  I'm not worried any more, if
>> > its not one thing it will be another any way.  Thats what gives us
>> > the edge every day, flexibility.  We will work around it, we always
>> do.
>> >
>> > I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE
>>

Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

[Gino Villarini]

Ouch.. I think its easier to cobble up some outdoor unifi and a media 
converter...

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Eric Muehleisen
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 10:51 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

http://www.ruckuswireless.com/press/releases/20130610-ruckus-adds-zoneflex-7781cm-access-point-to-its-portfolio

$5k MSRP. Even at half that...ouch!

On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:37 AM, Gino Villarini 
mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
Anyideas on the cost? It would be a great addition to any aerial fiber built out

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] On 
Behalf Of Zach Mann
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 10:30 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

It's not just Comcast, TW, Cox are also taking advantage of the simplicity of 
the newer 7781-CM Access Point.   They are offering free wifi to existing 
clients for retention.  Down the road cellular offloading 802.11u

On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:27 AM, Matt Hoppes 
mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>> wrote:
That's one way to avoid pole attachment fees! LOL.

What is Comcast trying to accomplish with these?


Matt Hoppes
Director of Information Technology
Indigo Wireless
+1 (570) 723-7312

On 11/15/13, 9:26 AM, Zach Mann wrote:
> He's talking about these... (see attached)
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo
> mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com> 
> <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com<mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>>> wrote:
>
> I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm talking about
> the ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside runing through
> the city on every corner  clear LOS to every tower around.
>
> Scott Carullo
> Technical Operations
> 855-FLSPEED x102
>
>
>
> 
> *From*: "Brian Webster" 
> mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com>
> 
> <mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com<mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com>>>
> *Sent*: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:24 AM
> *To*: "WISPA General List" mailto:wireless@wispa.org>
> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org<mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>>
> *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>
> One good thing about the higher bands and the noise floor is that
> free space loss works to your advantage. That being that a 5 GHz
> indoor Omni home AP router signal will fall off as an interference
> source as a much shorter distance than a 2.4 GHz device will. The
> laws of physics work in your favor.
>
> Thank You,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com<http://www.wirelessmapping.com> 
> <http://www.wirelessmapping.com>
>
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com<http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com> 
> <http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com>
>
> *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>
> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>>
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>
> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>>] 
> *On Behalf Of *Scott Carullo
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:52 PM
> *To:* Matt Hoppes; 
> sc...@brevardwireless.com<mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>
> <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com<mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>>; 
> WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>
> Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up -
> we all know things work better when its quiet.  This used to worry
> me a lot when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was already
> there and I had no idea until I just happened to scan on some radios
> (I don't usually install the stuff).  I'm not worried any more, if
> its not one thing it will be another any way.  Thats what gives us
> the edge every day, flexibility.  We will work around it, we always do.
>
> I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE
> will continue to work fine.  Their omni low gain antenna can

Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

[Eric Muehleisen]

http://www.ruckuswireless.com/press/releases/20130610-ruckus-adds-zoneflex-7781cm-access-point-to-its-portfolio

$5k MSRP. Even at half that...ouch!


On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:37 AM, Gino Villarini  wrote:

>  Anyideas on the cost? It would be a great addition to any aerial fiber
> built out
>
>
>
> Gino A. Villarini
>
> g...@aeronetpr.com
>
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>
> 787.273.4143
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Zach Mann
> *Sent:* Friday, November 15, 2013 10:30 AM
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>
>
>
> It's not just Comcast, TW, Cox are also taking advantage of the simplicity
> of the newer 7781-CM Access Point.   They are offering free wifi to
> existing clients for retention.  Down the road cellular offloading
> 802.11u
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:27 AM, Matt Hoppes 
> wrote:
>
> That's one way to avoid pole attachment fees! LOL.
>
> What is Comcast trying to accomplish with these?
>
>
> Matt Hoppes
> Director of Information Technology
> Indigo Wireless
> +1 (570) 723-7312
>
>
> On 11/15/13, 9:26 AM, Zach Mann wrote:
> > He's talking about these... (see attached)
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo
>
> > mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>> wrote:
> >
> > I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm talking about
> > the ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside runing through
> > the city on every corner  clear LOS to every tower around.
> >
> > Scott Carullo
> > Technical Operations
> > 855-FLSPEED x102
> >
> >
> >
>
> >
> --------
> > *From*: "Brian Webster"  > <mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com>>
> > *Sent*: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:24 AM
> > *To*: "WISPA General List"  > <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
> > *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>
> >
> > One good thing about the higher bands and the noise floor is that
> > free space loss works to your advantage. That being that a 5 GHz
> > indoor Omni home AP router signal will fall off as an interference
> > source as a much shorter distance than a 2.4 GHz device will. The
> > laws of physics work in your favor.
> >
> > Thank You,
> >
> > Brian Webster
> >
>
> > www.wirelessmapping.com <http://www.wirelessmapping.com>
> >
> > www.Broadband-Mapping.com <http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com>
> >
> > *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> > <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>
> > [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> > <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] *On Behalf Of *Scott Carullo
> > *Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:52 PM
> > *To:* Matt Hoppes; sc...@brevardwireless.com
> > <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>; WISPA General List
> > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>
> >
> > Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up -
> > we all know things work better when its quiet.  This used to worry
> > me a lot when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was already
> > there and I had no idea until I just happened to scan on some radios
> > (I don't usually install the stuff).  I'm not worried any more, if
> > its not one thing it will be another any way.  Thats what gives us
> > the edge every day, flexibility.  We will work around it, we always
> do.
> >
> > I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE
> > will continue to work fine.  Their omni low gain antenna can't
> > compete with a 20-30db directional one.  Still sucks though, you
> > drive down the street and see one after another running 5Ghz just
> > knowing there probably isn't 3 connections in the whole city to
> them
> >
> > Scott Carullo
> > Technical Operations
> > 855-FLSPEED x102
> >
>
> >
> 
> >
> > *From*: "Matt Hoppes"  > <mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>>
> > *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:43 PM
> > *To*: "sc...@brevardwireless.com <mailto:sc...@b

Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

[Matt Hoppes]

That's one way to avoid pole attachment fees! LOL.

What is Comcast trying to accomplish with these?


Matt Hoppes
Director of Information Technology
Indigo Wireless
+1 (570) 723-7312

On 11/15/13, 9:26 AM, Zach Mann wrote:
> He's talking about these... (see attached)
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo
> mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>> wrote:
>
> I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm talking about
> the ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside runing through
> the city on every corner  clear LOS to every tower around.
>
> Scott Carullo
> Technical Operations
> 855-FLSPEED x102
>
>
>
> 
> *From*: "Brian Webster"  <mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com>>
> *Sent*: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:24 AM
> *To*: "WISPA General List"  <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
> *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>
> One good thing about the higher bands and the noise floor is that
> free space loss works to your advantage. That being that a 5 GHz
> indoor Omni home AP router signal will fall off as an interference
> source as a much shorter distance than a 2.4 GHz device will. The
> laws of physics work in your favor.
>
> Thank You,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com <http://www.wirelessmapping.com>
>
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com <http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com>
>
> *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] *On Behalf Of *Scott Carullo
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:52 PM
> *To:* Matt Hoppes; sc...@brevardwireless.com
> <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>; WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>
> Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up -
> we all know things work better when its quiet.  This used to worry
> me a lot when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was already
> there and I had no idea until I just happened to scan on some radios
> (I don't usually install the stuff).  I'm not worried any more, if
> its not one thing it will be another any way.  Thats what gives us
> the edge every day, flexibility.  We will work around it, we always do.
>
> I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE
> will continue to work fine.  Their omni low gain antenna can't
> compete with a 20-30db directional one.  Still sucks though, you
> drive down the street and see one after another running 5Ghz just
> knowing there probably isn't 3 connections in the whole city to them
>
> Scott Carullo
> Technical Operations
> 855-FLSPEED x102
>
> 
>
> *From*: "Matt Hoppes"  <mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>>
> *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:43 PM
> *To*: "sc...@brevardwireless.com <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>"
> mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>>,
> "WISPA General List" mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
> *Cc*: "WISPA General List"  <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
> *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>
> Are you seeing any impact from them?
>
>
> On Nov 14, 2013, at 18:03, "Scott Carullo"
> mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>> wrote:
>
> Yeah, won't matter either way with a 5Ghz AP on every street
> corner.  Already seeing that in our areas  do a wireless
> scan and you see 354 5Ghz APs now in addition to the 2Ghz ones
> (they run dual band APs now).
>
> Scott Carullo
> Technical Operations
> 855-FLSPEED x102
>
> 
> 
>
> *From*: "Bret Clark"  <mailto:bcl...@spectraaccess.com>>
> *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:49 PM
> *To*: wireless@wispa.org <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>
> *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>
> What could go wrong with Comcast taking up yet more 5GHz of
> spectrum...[/sarcasm off]
>
> On 11/14/2013 01:40 PM, ralph wrote:
>
> I ho

Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

[Gino Villarini]

In our case, we hace a pole attachment agreement with the local power 
authority, they also offer a base AC service for pole devices

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 10:39 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

How would you power it on fiber?

Regards,
Chuck

On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Gino Villarini 
mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
Anyideas on the cost? It would be a great addition to any aerial fiber built out

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] On 
Behalf Of Zach Mann
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 10:30 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

It's not just Comcast, TW, Cox are also taking advantage of the simplicity of 
the newer 7781-CM Access Point.   They are offering free wifi to existing 
clients for retention.  Down the road cellular offloading 802.11u

On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:27 AM, Matt Hoppes 
mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>> wrote:
That's one way to avoid pole attachment fees! LOL.

What is Comcast trying to accomplish with these?


Matt Hoppes
Director of Information Technology
Indigo Wireless
+1 (570) 723-7312

On 11/15/13, 9:26 AM, Zach Mann wrote:
> He's talking about these... (see attached)
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo
> mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com> 
> <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com<mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>>> wrote:
>
> I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm talking about
> the ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside runing through
> the city on every corner  clear LOS to every tower around.
>
> Scott Carullo
> Technical Operations
> 855-FLSPEED x102
>
>
>
> 
> *From*: "Brian Webster" 
> mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com>
> 
> <mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com<mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com>>>
> *Sent*: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:24 AM
> *To*: "WISPA General List" mailto:wireless@wispa.org>
> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org<mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>>
> *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>
> One good thing about the higher bands and the noise floor is that
> free space loss works to your advantage. That being that a 5 GHz
> indoor Omni home AP router signal will fall off as an interference
> source as a much shorter distance than a 2.4 GHz device will. The
> laws of physics work in your favor.
>
> Thank You,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com<http://www.wirelessmapping.com> 
> <http://www.wirelessmapping.com>
>
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com<http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com> 
> <http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com>
>
> *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>
> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>>
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>
> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>>] 
> *On Behalf Of *Scott Carullo
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:52 PM
> *To:* Matt Hoppes; 
> sc...@brevardwireless.com<mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>
> <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com<mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>>; 
> WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>
> Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up -
> we all know things work better when its quiet.  This used to worry
> me a lot when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was already
> there and I had no idea until I just happened to scan on some radios
> (I don't usually install the stuff).  I'm not worried any more, if
> its not one thing it will be another any way.  Thats what gives us
> the edge every day, flexibility.  We will work around it, we always do.
>
> I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE
> will continue to work fine.  Their omni low gain antenna can't
> compete with a 20-30db directional one.  Still sucks though, yo

Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

[Zach Mann]

The cable companies usually just over-lash coax over their fiber to get to
the proposed AP's.  For fiber only they make a fiber node accessory that
piggy backs to the AP.   Still need power though.


On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:37 AM, Gino Villarini  wrote:

>  Anyideas on the cost? It would be a great addition to any aerial fiber
> built out
>
>
>
> Gino A. Villarini
>
> g...@aeronetpr.com
>
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>
> 787.273.4143
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Zach Mann
> *Sent:* Friday, November 15, 2013 10:30 AM
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>
>
>
> It's not just Comcast, TW, Cox are also taking advantage of the simplicity
> of the newer 7781-CM Access Point.   They are offering free wifi to
> existing clients for retention.  Down the road cellular offloading
> 802.11u
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:27 AM, Matt Hoppes 
> wrote:
>
> That's one way to avoid pole attachment fees! LOL.
>
> What is Comcast trying to accomplish with these?
>
>
> Matt Hoppes
> Director of Information Technology
> Indigo Wireless
> +1 (570) 723-7312
>
>
> On 11/15/13, 9:26 AM, Zach Mann wrote:
> > He's talking about these... (see attached)
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo
>
> > mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>> wrote:
> >
> > I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm talking about
> > the ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside runing through
> > the city on every corner  clear LOS to every tower around.
> >
> > Scott Carullo
> > Technical Operations
> > 855-FLSPEED x102
> >
> >
> >
>
> >
> --------
> > *From*: "Brian Webster"  > <mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com>>
> > *Sent*: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:24 AM
> > *To*: "WISPA General List"  > <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
> > *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>
> >
> > One good thing about the higher bands and the noise floor is that
> > free space loss works to your advantage. That being that a 5 GHz
> > indoor Omni home AP router signal will fall off as an interference
> > source as a much shorter distance than a 2.4 GHz device will. The
> > laws of physics work in your favor.
> >
> > Thank You,
> >
> > Brian Webster
> >
>
> > www.wirelessmapping.com <http://www.wirelessmapping.com>
> >
> > www.Broadband-Mapping.com <http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com>
> >
> > *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> > <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>
> > [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> > <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] *On Behalf Of *Scott Carullo
> > *Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:52 PM
> > *To:* Matt Hoppes; sc...@brevardwireless.com
> > <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>; WISPA General List
> > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>
> >
> > Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up -
> > we all know things work better when its quiet.  This used to worry
> > me a lot when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was already
> > there and I had no idea until I just happened to scan on some radios
> > (I don't usually install the stuff).  I'm not worried any more, if
> > its not one thing it will be another any way.  Thats what gives us
> > the edge every day, flexibility.  We will work around it, we always
> do.
> >
> > I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE
> > will continue to work fine.  Their omni low gain antenna can't
> > compete with a 20-30db directional one.  Still sucks though, you
> > drive down the street and see one after another running 5Ghz just
> > knowing there probably isn't 3 connections in the whole city to
> them
> >
> > Scott Carullo
> > Technical Operations
> > 855-FLSPEED x102
> >
>
> >
> 
> >
> > *From*: "Matt Hoppes"  > <mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>>
> > *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:43 PM
> > *To*:

Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

[Matt Hoppes]

Very small solar cells? :)


Matt Hoppes
Director of Information Technology
Indigo Wireless
+1 (570) 723-7312

On 11/15/13, 9:38 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
> How would you power it on fiber?
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Gino Villarini  <mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
>
> Anyideas on the cost? It would be a great addition to any aerial
> fiber built out
>
> __ __
>
> Gino A. Villarini
>
> g...@aeronetpr.com <mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>
>
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>
> 787.273.4143 
>
> *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] *On Behalf Of *Zach Mann
>     *Sent:* Friday, November 15, 2013 10:30 AM
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>
> __ __
>
> It's not just Comcast, TW, Cox are also taking advantage of the
> simplicity of the newer 7781-CM Access Point.   They are offering
> free wifi to existing clients for retention.  Down the road cellular
> offloading 802.11u 
>
> __ __
>
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:27 AM, Matt Hoppes
> mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>>
> wrote:
>
> That's one way to avoid pole attachment fees! LOL.
>
> What is Comcast trying to accomplish with these?
>
>
> Matt Hoppes
> Director of Information Technology
> Indigo Wireless
> +1 (570) 723-7312 
>
>
> On 11/15/13, 9:26 AM, Zach Mann wrote:
>  > He's talking about these... (see attached)
>  >
>  >
>  > On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo
>
>  > mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>
> <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com
> <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>>> wrote:
>  >
>  > I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm talking
> about
>  > the ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside runing
> through
>  > the city on every corner  clear LOS to every tower around.
>  >
>  > Scott Carullo
>  > Technical Operations
>  > 855-FLSPEED x102
>  >
>  >
>  >
>
>  >
> 
>  > *From*: "Brian Webster"  <mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com>
>  > <mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com
> <mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com>>>
>  > *Sent*: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:24 AM
>  > *To*: "WISPA General List"  <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>
>  > <mailto:wireless@wispa.org <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>>
>  > *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz
> spectrum.
>
>  >
>  > One good thing about the higher bands and the noise floor is that
>  > free space loss works to your advantage. That being that a 5 GHz
>  > indoor Omni home AP router signal will fall off as an
> interference
>  > source as a much shorter distance than a 2.4 GHz device will. The
>  > laws of physics work in your favor.
>  >
>  > Thank You,
>  >
>  > Brian Webster
>  >
>
>  > www.wirelessmapping.com <http://www.wirelessmapping.com>
> <http://www.wirelessmapping.com>
>  >
>  > www.Broadband-Mapping.com <http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com>
> <http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com>
>  >
>  > *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>
>  > <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>>
>  > [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>
>  > <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>>] *On Behalf Of *Scott Carullo
>  > *Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:52 PM
>  > *To:* Matt Hoppes; sc...@brevardwireless.com
> <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>
>  > <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com
> <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>>; WISPA General List
>  > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz
> spectrum.
>
>  >
>  &

Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

[Mike Hammett]

String some DC power along with the fiber? Maybe you put in coax for power 
since that apparently can be done? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Chuck Hogg"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:38:49 AM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. 


How would you power it on fiber? 


Regards, 
Chuck 


On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Gino Villarini < g...@aeronetpr.com > wrote: 





Anyideas on the cost? It would be a great addition to any aerial fiber built 
out 

Gino A. Villarini 
g...@aeronetpr.com 
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 
787.273.4143 
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On 
Behalf Of Zach Mann 
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 10:30 AM 
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. 




It's not just Comcast, TW, Cox are also taking advantage of the simplicity of 
the newer 7781-CM Access Point. They are offering free wifi to existing clients 
for retention. Down the road cellular offloading 802.11u 



On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:27 AM, Matt Hoppes < mhop...@indigowireless.com > 
wrote: 
That's one way to avoid pole attachment fees! LOL. 

What is Comcast trying to accomplish with these? 


Matt Hoppes 
Director of Information Technology 
Indigo Wireless 
+1 (570) 723-7312 


On 11/15/13, 9:26 AM, Zach Mann wrote: 
> He's talking about these... (see attached) 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo 

> < sc...@brevardwireless.com > wrote: 
> 
> I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm talking about 
> the ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside runing through 
> the city on every corner clear LOS to every tower around. 
> 
> Scott Carullo 
> Technical Operations 
> 855-FLSPEED x102 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> *From*: "Brian Webster" < bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com 
> > 
> *Sent*: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:24 AM 
> *To*: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org 
> > 
> *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. 

> 
> One good thing about the higher bands and the noise floor is that 
> free space loss works to your advantage. That being that a 5 GHz 
> indoor Omni home AP router signal will fall off as an interference 
> source as a much shorter distance than a 2.4 GHz device will. The 
> laws of physics work in your favor. 
> 
> Thank You, 
> 
> Brian Webster 
> 
> www.wirelessmapping.com < http://www.wirelessmapping.com > 
> 
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com < http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com > 
> 
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
>  
> [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
> ] *On Behalf Of *Scott Carullo 
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:52 PM 
> *To:* Matt Hoppes; sc...@brevardwireless.com 
> ; WISPA General List 
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. 

> 
> Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up - 
> we all know things work better when its quiet. This used to worry 
> me a lot when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was already 
> there and I had no idea until I just happened to scan on some radios 
> (I don't usually install the stuff). I'm not worried any more, if 
> its not one thing it will be another any way. Thats what gives us 
> the edge every day, flexibility. We will work around it, we always do. 
> 
> I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE 
> will continue to work fine. Their omni low gain antenna can't 
> compete with a 20-30db directional one. Still sucks though, you 
> drive down the street and see one after another running 5Ghz just 
> knowing there probably isn't 3 connections in the whole city to them 
> 
> Scott Carullo 
> Technical Operations 
> 855-FLSPEED x102 
> 
> -------- 
> 
> *From*: "Matt Hoppes" < mhop...@indigowireless.com 
> > 
> *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:43 PM 
> *To*: " sc...@brevardwireless.com " 
> < sc...@brevardwireless.com >, 
> "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
> *Cc*: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org 
> > 
> *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. 

> 
> Are you seeing any impact from them? 
> 
> 
> On Nov 14, 2013, at 18:03, "Scott Carullo" 

> < sc...@brevardwireless.com > wrote: 
> 
> Yeah, won't matter either way with a 5Ghz AP on

Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

[Chuck Hogg]

How would you power it on fiber?

Regards,
Chuck


On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Gino Villarini  wrote:

>  Anyideas on the cost? It would be a great addition to any aerial fiber
> built out
>
>
>
> Gino A. Villarini
>
> g...@aeronetpr.com
>
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>
> 787.273.4143
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Zach Mann
> *Sent:* Friday, November 15, 2013 10:30 AM
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>
>
>
> It's not just Comcast, TW, Cox are also taking advantage of the simplicity
> of the newer 7781-CM Access Point.   They are offering free wifi to
> existing clients for retention.  Down the road cellular offloading
> 802.11u
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:27 AM, Matt Hoppes 
> wrote:
>
> That's one way to avoid pole attachment fees! LOL.
>
> What is Comcast trying to accomplish with these?
>
>
> Matt Hoppes
> Director of Information Technology
> Indigo Wireless
> +1 (570) 723-7312
>
>
> On 11/15/13, 9:26 AM, Zach Mann wrote:
> > He's talking about these... (see attached)
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo
>
> > mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>> wrote:
> >
> > I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm talking about
> > the ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside runing through
> > the city on every corner  clear LOS to every tower around.
> >
> > Scott Carullo
> > Technical Operations
> > 855-FLSPEED x102
> >
> >
> >
>
> >
> --------
> > *From*: "Brian Webster"  > <mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com>>
> > *Sent*: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:24 AM
> > *To*: "WISPA General List"  > <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
> > *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>
> >
> > One good thing about the higher bands and the noise floor is that
> > free space loss works to your advantage. That being that a 5 GHz
> > indoor Omni home AP router signal will fall off as an interference
> > source as a much shorter distance than a 2.4 GHz device will. The
> > laws of physics work in your favor.
> >
> > Thank You,
> >
> > Brian Webster
> >
>
> > www.wirelessmapping.com <http://www.wirelessmapping.com>
> >
> > www.Broadband-Mapping.com <http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com>
> >
> > *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> > <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>
> > [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> > <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] *On Behalf Of *Scott Carullo
> > *Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:52 PM
> > *To:* Matt Hoppes; sc...@brevardwireless.com
> > <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>; WISPA General List
> > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>
> >
> > Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up -
> > we all know things work better when its quiet.  This used to worry
> > me a lot when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was already
> > there and I had no idea until I just happened to scan on some radios
> > (I don't usually install the stuff).  I'm not worried any more, if
> > its not one thing it will be another any way.  Thats what gives us
> > the edge every day, flexibility.  We will work around it, we always
> do.
> >
> > I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE
> > will continue to work fine.  Their omni low gain antenna can't
> > compete with a 20-30db directional one.  Still sucks though, you
> > drive down the street and see one after another running 5Ghz just
> > knowing there probably isn't 3 connections in the whole city to
> them
> >
> > Scott Carullo
> > Technical Operations
> > 855-FLSPEED x102
> >
>
> >
> 
> >
> > *From*: "Matt Hoppes"  > <mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>>
> > *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:43 PM
> > *To*: "sc...@brevardwireless.com <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>"
> > mailto:sc...@brevardwireles

Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

[Josh Luthman]

That's sweet.  How does it get power?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Nov 15, 2013 9:26 AM, "Zach Mann"  wrote:

> He's talking about these... (see attached)
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm talking about the
>> ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside runing through the city
>> on every corner  clear LOS to every tower around.
>>
>> Scott Carullo
>> Technical Operations
>> 855-FLSPEED x102
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *From*: "Brian Webster" 
>> *Sent*: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:24 AM
>> *To*: "WISPA General List" 
>> *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>>
>> One good thing about the higher bands and the noise floor is that free
>> space loss works to your advantage. That being that a 5 GHz indoor Omni
>> home AP router signal will fall off as an interference source as a much
>> shorter distance than a 2.4 GHz device will. The laws of physics work in
>> your favor.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank You,
>>
>> Brian Webster
>>
>> www.wirelessmapping.com
>>
>> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
>> Behalf Of *Scott Carullo
>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:52 PM
>> *To:* Matt Hoppes; sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List
>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up - we all
>> know things work better when its quiet.  This used to worry me a lot when I
>> saw it coming, but then I realized it was already there and I had no idea
>> until I just happened to scan on some radios (I don't usually install the
>> stuff).  I'm not worried any more, if its not one thing it will be another
>> any way.  Thats what gives us the edge every day, flexibility.  We will
>> work around it, we always do.
>>
>> I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE will
>> continue to work fine.  Their omni low gain antenna can't compete with a
>> 20-30db directional one.  Still sucks though, you drive down the street and
>> see one after another running 5Ghz just knowing there probably isn't 3
>> connections in the whole city to them
>>
>> Scott Carullo
>> Technical Operations
>> 855-FLSPEED x102
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From*: "Matt Hoppes" 
>> *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:43 PM
>> *To*: "sc...@brevardwireless.com" , "WISPA
>> General List" 
>> *Cc*: "WISPA General List" 
>> *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>>
>> Are you seeing any impact from them?
>>
>>
>> On Nov 14, 2013, at 18:03, "Scott Carullo" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, won't matter either way with a 5Ghz AP on every street corner.
>> Already seeing that in our areas  do a wireless scan and you see 354
>> 5Ghz APs now in addition to the 2Ghz ones (they run dual band APs now).
>>
>> Scott Carullo
>> Technical Operations
>> 855-FLSPEED x102
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From*: "Bret Clark" 
>> *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:49 PM
>> *To*: wireless@wispa.org
>> *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>>
>> What could go wrong with Comcast taking up yet more 5GHz of
>> spectrum...[/sarcasm off]
>>
>> On 11/14/2013 01:40 PM, ralph wrote:
>>
>> I hope the links at the bottom come through.
>>
>> ---
>>
>>
>>
>> Comcast needs the FCC to open up the 5 GHz spectrum band to power
>> next-generation Wi-Fi services that could allow it to deliver wireless
>> broadband at speeds of up to 1 Gbps, SVP of Business Development Tom Nagel
>> testified at a House Energy and Commerce hearing on Wednesday.
>>
>>
>>
>> Nagel disclosed in his prepared testimony that Comcast has expanded the
>> number of Wi-Fi access points for Xfinity high-speed Internet customers to
>> 350,000. The nation's largest cable MSO also began deploying wireless
>> gateways from Cisco earlier this year that Comcast

Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

[Gino Villarini]

Anyideas on the cost? It would be a great addition to any aerial fiber built out

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
787.273.4143
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Zach Mann
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 10:30 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

It's not just Comcast, TW, Cox are also taking advantage of the simplicity of 
the newer 7781-CM Access Point.   They are offering free wifi to existing 
clients for retention.  Down the road cellular offloading 802.11u

On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:27 AM, Matt Hoppes 
mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>> wrote:
That's one way to avoid pole attachment fees! LOL.

What is Comcast trying to accomplish with these?


Matt Hoppes
Director of Information Technology
Indigo Wireless
+1 (570) 723-7312

On 11/15/13, 9:26 AM, Zach Mann wrote:
> He's talking about these... (see attached)
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo
> mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com> 
> <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com<mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>>> wrote:
>
> I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm talking about
> the ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside runing through
> the city on every corner  clear LOS to every tower around.
>
> Scott Carullo
> Technical Operations
> 855-FLSPEED x102
>
>
>
> 
> *From*: "Brian Webster" 
> mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com>
> 
> <mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com<mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com>>>
> *Sent*: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:24 AM
>     *To*: "WISPA General List" mailto:wireless@wispa.org>
> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org<mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>>
> *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>
> One good thing about the higher bands and the noise floor is that
> free space loss works to your advantage. That being that a 5 GHz
> indoor Omni home AP router signal will fall off as an interference
> source as a much shorter distance than a 2.4 GHz device will. The
> laws of physics work in your favor.
>
> Thank You,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com<http://www.wirelessmapping.com> 
> <http://www.wirelessmapping.com>
>
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com<http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com> 
> <http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com>
>
> *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>
> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>>
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>
> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>>] 
> *On Behalf Of *Scott Carullo
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:52 PM
> *To:* Matt Hoppes; 
> sc...@brevardwireless.com<mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>
> <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com<mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>>; 
> WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>
> Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up -
> we all know things work better when its quiet.  This used to worry
> me a lot when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was already
> there and I had no idea until I just happened to scan on some radios
> (I don't usually install the stuff).  I'm not worried any more, if
> its not one thing it will be another any way.  Thats what gives us
> the edge every day, flexibility.  We will work around it, we always do.
>
> I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE
> will continue to work fine.  Their omni low gain antenna can't
> compete with a 20-30db directional one.  Still sucks though, you
> drive down the street and see one after another running 5Ghz just
> knowing there probably isn't 3 connections in the whole city to them
>
> Scott Carullo
> Technical Operations
> 855-FLSPEED x102
>
> 
>
> *From*: "Matt Hoppes" 
> mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>
> <mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com<mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>>>
> *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:43 PM
> *To*: "sc...@brevardwireless.com<mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com> 
> <mailto:sc...@brevardwi

Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

[Zach Mann]

Through the Coax Plant.


On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:29 AM, Josh Luthman
wrote:

> That's sweet.  How does it get power?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Nov 15, 2013 9:26 AM, "Zach Mann"  wrote:
>
>> He's talking about these... (see attached)
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo > > wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm talking about the
>>> ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside runing through the city
>>> on every corner  clear LOS to every tower around.
>>>
>>> Scott Carullo
>>> Technical Operations
>>> 855-FLSPEED x102
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *From*: "Brian Webster" 
>>> *Sent*: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:24 AM
>>> *To*: "WISPA General List" 
>>> *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>>>
>>> One good thing about the higher bands and the noise floor is that free
>>> space loss works to your advantage. That being that a 5 GHz indoor Omni
>>> home AP router signal will fall off as an interference source as a much
>>> shorter distance than a 2.4 GHz device will. The laws of physics work in
>>> your favor.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank You,
>>>
>>> Brian Webster
>>>
>>> www.wirelessmapping.com
>>>
>>> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Scott Carullo
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:52 PM
>>> *To:* Matt Hoppes; sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List
>>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up - we
>>> all know things work better when its quiet.  This used to worry me a lot
>>> when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was already there and I had no
>>> idea until I just happened to scan on some radios (I don't usually install
>>> the stuff).  I'm not worried any more, if its not one thing it will be
>>> another any way.  Thats what gives us the edge every day, flexibility.  We
>>> will work around it, we always do.
>>>
>>> I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE will
>>> continue to work fine.  Their omni low gain antenna can't compete with a
>>> 20-30db directional one.  Still sucks though, you drive down the street and
>>> see one after another running 5Ghz just knowing there probably isn't 3
>>> connections in the whole city to them
>>>
>>> Scott Carullo
>>> Technical Operations
>>> 855-FLSPEED x102
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *From*: "Matt Hoppes" 
>>> *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:43 PM
>>> *To*: "sc...@brevardwireless.com" , "WISPA
>>> General List" 
>>> *Cc*: "WISPA General List" 
>>> *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>>>
>>> Are you seeing any impact from them?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 14, 2013, at 18:03, "Scott Carullo" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yeah, won't matter either way with a 5Ghz AP on every street corner.
>>> Already seeing that in our areas  do a wireless scan and you see 354
>>> 5Ghz APs now in addition to the 2Ghz ones (they run dual band APs now).
>>>
>>> Scott Carullo
>>> Technical Operations
>>> 855-FLSPEED x102
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *From*: "Bret Clark" 
>>> *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:49 PM
>>> *To*: wireless@wispa.org
>>> *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>>>
>>> What could go wrong with Comcast taking up yet more 5GHz of
>>> spectrum...[/sarcasm off]
>>>
>>> On 11/14/2013 01:40 PM, ralph wrote:
>>>
>>> I hope the links at the bottom come through.
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Comcast needs the FCC to open up the 5 GHz spectrum band to power
>&

Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

[Zach Mann]

It's not just Comcast, TW, Cox are also taking advantage of the simplicity
of the newer 7781-CM Access Point.   They are offering free wifi to
existing clients for retention.  Down the road cellular offloading
802.11u


On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:27 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

> That's one way to avoid pole attachment fees! LOL.
>
> What is Comcast trying to accomplish with these?
>
>
> Matt Hoppes
> Director of Information Technology
> Indigo Wireless
> +1 (570) 723-7312
>
> On 11/15/13, 9:26 AM, Zach Mann wrote:
> > He's talking about these... (see attached)
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo
> > mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>> wrote:
> >
> > I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm talking about
> > the ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside runing through
> > the city on every corner  clear LOS to every tower around.
> >
> > Scott Carullo
> > Technical Operations
> > 855-FLSPEED x102
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> > *From*: "Brian Webster"  > <mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com>>
> > *Sent*: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:24 AM
> > *To*: "WISPA General List"  > <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
> > *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
> >
> > One good thing about the higher bands and the noise floor is that
> > free space loss works to your advantage. That being that a 5 GHz
> > indoor Omni home AP router signal will fall off as an interference
> > source as a much shorter distance than a 2.4 GHz device will. The
> > laws of physics work in your favor.
> >
> > Thank You,
> >
> > Brian Webster
> >
> > www.wirelessmapping.com <http://www.wirelessmapping.com>
> >
> > www.Broadband-Mapping.com <http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com>
> >
> > *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> > <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>
> > [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> > <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] *On Behalf Of *Scott Carullo
> > *Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:52 PM
> > *To:* Matt Hoppes; sc...@brevardwireless.com
> > <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>; WISPA General List
> > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
> >
> > Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up -
> > we all know things work better when its quiet.  This used to worry
> > me a lot when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was already
> > there and I had no idea until I just happened to scan on some radios
> > (I don't usually install the stuff).  I'm not worried any more, if
> > its not one thing it will be another any way.  Thats what gives us
> > the edge every day, flexibility.  We will work around it, we always
> do.
> >
> > I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE
> > will continue to work fine.  Their omni low gain antenna can't
> > compete with a 20-30db directional one.  Still sucks though, you
> > drive down the street and see one after another running 5Ghz just
> > knowing there probably isn't 3 connections in the whole city to
> them
> >
> > Scott Carullo
> > Technical Operations
> > 855-FLSPEED x102
> >
> >
> 
> >
> > *From*: "Matt Hoppes"  > <mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>>
> > *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:43 PM
> > *To*: "sc...@brevardwireless.com <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>"
> > mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>>,
> > "WISPA General List" mailto:wireless@wispa.org
> >>
> > *Cc*: "WISPA General List"  > <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
> > *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
> >
> > Are you seeing any impact from them?
> >
> >
> > On Nov 14, 2013, at 18:03, "Scott Carullo"
> > mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>>
> wrote:
> >
> > Yeah, won't matter either way with a 5Ghz AP on every street
> > corner.  Already seeing that in our areas  do a wireless
> > scan and you see 354 

Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

[Scott Carullo]

I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm talking about the ones 
the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside runing through the city on 
every corner  clear LOS to every tower around.

Scott Carullo
Technical Operations
855-FLSPEED x102


From: "Brian Webster" 
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:24 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

One good thing about the higher bands and the noise floor is that free 
space loss works to your advantage. That being that a 5 GHz indoor Omni 
home AP router signal will fall off as an interference source as a much 
shorter distance than a 2.4 GHz device will. The laws of physics work in 
your favor.

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Scott Carullo
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:52 PM
To: Matt Hoppes; sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

 

Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up - we all 
know things work better when its quiet.  This used to worry me a lot when I 
saw it coming, but then I realized it was already there and I had no idea 
until I just happened to scan on some radios (I don't usually install the 
stuff).  I'm not worried any more, if its not one thing it will be another 
any way.  Thats what gives us the edge every day, flexibility.  We will 
work around it, we always do.

I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE will 
continue to work fine.  Their omni low gain antenna can't compete with a 
20-30db directional one.  Still sucks though, you drive down the street and 
see one after another running 5Ghz just knowing there probably isn't 3 
connections in the whole city to them

Scott Carullo
Technical Operations
855-FLSPEED x102

 


From: "Matt Hoppes" 
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:43 PM
To: "sc...@brevardwireless.com" , "WISPA General 
List" 
Cc: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

Are you seeing any impact from them?

On Nov 14, 2013, at 18:03, "Scott Carullo"  
wrote:

Yeah, won't matter either way with a 5Ghz AP on every street corner.  
Already seeing that in our areas  do a wireless scan and you see 354 
5Ghz APs now in addition to the 2Ghz ones (they run dual band APs now).

Scott Carullo
Technical Operations
855-FLSPEED x102

 


From: "Bret Clark" 
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:49 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

What could go wrong with Comcast taking up yet more 5GHz of 
spectrum...[/sarcasm off]

On 11/14/2013 01:40 PM, ralph wrote:

I hope the links at the bottom come through.

---

 

Comcast needs the FCC to open up the 5 GHz spectrum band to power 
next-generation Wi-Fi services that could allow it to deliver wireless 
broadband at speeds of up to 1 Gbps, SVP of Business Development Tom Nagel 
testified at a House Energy and Commerce hearing on Wednesday. 

 

Nagel disclosed in his prepared testimony that Comcast has expanded the 
number of Wi-Fi access points for Xfinity high-speed Internet customers to 
350,000. The nation's largest cable MSO also began deploying wireless 
gateways from Cisco earlier this year that Comcast has said may be able to 
power millions of neighborhood hotspots.

 

While Comcast already is already using the 5 GHz band, Nagel said it needs 
more of the unlicensed spectrum to meet demand from subscribers for Wi-Fi. 
It faces potential opposition from Toyota and other automobile 
manufacturers who want to use the 5 GHz band to deliver next-generation 
connected car applications, including applications that would warn drivers 
of collision threats.

 

Toyota principal researcher John Kenney raised concerns about possible 
interference from Wi-Fi services at Wednesday's hearing.  "We have been 
actively engaged with the Wi-Fi community and other stakeholders who are 
exploring possible sharing solutions that will alleviate any risk of 
harmful interference from unlicensed devices. But we're not there yet and 
it's going to take a bit more time to see if we can get there," Kenney said 
in his prepared testimony.

 

For more:
- see Nagel's prepared testimony (.pdf)
- see Kenney's prepared testimony (.pdf)
- see Comcast blog post
- Broadcasting & Cable has this story

 

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Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

[Matt Hoppes]

The laws of physics are the same for free space loss below 6GHz. 

What does help is obstruction attenuation. 

On Nov 15, 2013, at 8:24, "Brian Webster"  wrote:

> One good thing about the higher bands and the noise floor is that free space 
> loss works to your advantage. That being that a 5 GHz indoor Omni home AP 
> router signal will fall off as an interference source as a much shorter 
> distance than a 2.4 GHz device will. The laws of physics work in your favor.
>  
> Thank You,
> Brian Webster
> www.wirelessmapping.com
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>  
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Scott Carullo
> Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:52 PM
> To: Matt Hoppes; sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>  
> Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up - we all 
> know things work better when its quiet.  This used to worry me a lot when I 
> saw it coming, but then I realized it was already there and I had no idea 
> until I just happened to scan on some radios (I don't usually install the 
> stuff).  I'm not worried any more, if its not one thing it will be another 
> any way.  Thats what gives us the edge every day, flexibility.  We will work 
> around it, we always do.
> 
> I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE will 
> continue to work fine.  Their omni low gain antenna can't compete with a 
> 20-30db directional one.  Still sucks though, you drive down the street and 
> see one after another running 5Ghz just knowing there probably isn't 3 
> connections in the whole city to them
> 
> Scott Carullo
> Technical Operations
> 855-FLSPEED x102
> 
> 
>  
> 
> From: "Matt Hoppes" 
> Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:43 PM
> To: "sc...@brevardwireless.com" , "WISPA General 
> List" 
> Cc: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
> 
> Are you seeing any impact from them?
> 
> On Nov 14, 2013, at 18:03, "Scott Carullo"  wrote:
> 
> Yeah, won't matter either way with a 5Ghz AP on every street corner.  Already 
> seeing that in our areas  do a wireless scan and you see 354 5Ghz APs now 
> in addition to the 2Ghz ones (they run dual band APs now).
> 
> Scott Carullo
> Technical Operations
> 855-FLSPEED x102
> 
> 
>  
> 
> From: "Bret Clark" 
> Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:49 PM
> To: wireless@wispa.org
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
> 
> What could go wrong with Comcast taking up yet more 5GHz of 
> spectrum...[/sarcasm off]
> 
> On 11/14/2013 01:40 PM, ralph wrote:
> I hope the links at the bottom come through.
> ---
>  
> Comcast needs the FCC to open up the 5 GHz spectrum band to power 
> next-generation Wi-Fi services that could allow it to deliver wireless 
> broadband at speeds of up to 1 Gbps, SVP of Business Development Tom Nagel 
> testified at a House Energy and Commerce hearing on Wednesday.
>  
> Nagel disclosed in his prepared testimony that Comcast has expanded the 
> number of Wi-Fi access points for Xfinity high-speed Internet customers to 
> 350,000. The nation's largest cable MSO also began deploying wireless 
> gateways from Cisco earlier this year that Comcast has said may be able to 
> power millions of neighborhood hotspots.
>  
> While Comcast already is already using the 5 GHz band, Nagel said it needs 
> more of the unlicensed spectrum to meet demand from subscribers for Wi-Fi. It 
> faces potential opposition from Toyota and other automobile manufacturers who 
> want to use the 5 GHz band to deliver next-generation connected car 
> applications, including applications that would warn drivers of collision 
> threats.
>  
> Toyota principal researcher John Kenney raised concerns about possible 
> interference from Wi-Fi services at Wednesday's hearing.  "We have been 
> actively engaged with the Wi-Fi community and other stakeholders who are 
> exploring possible sharing solutions that will alleviate any risk of harmful 
> interference from unlicensed devices. But we're not there yet and it's going 
> to take a bit more time to see if we can get there," Kenney said in his 
> prepared testimony.
>  
> For more:
> - see Nagel's prepared testimony (.pdf)
> - see Kenney's prepared testimony (.pdf)
> - see Comcast blog post
> - Broadcasting & Cable has this story
>  
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

[Brian Webster]

One good thing about the higher bands and the noise floor is that free space
loss works to your advantage. That being that a 5 GHz indoor Omni home AP
router signal will fall off as an interference source as a much shorter
distance than a 2.4 GHz device will. The laws of physics work in your favor.

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

 <http://www.wirelessmapping.com> www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Carullo
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:52 PM
To: Matt Hoppes; sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

 

Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up - we all
know things work better when its quiet.  This used to worry me a lot when I
saw it coming, but then I realized it was already there and I had no idea
until I just happened to scan on some radios (I don't usually install the
stuff).  I'm not worried any more, if its not one thing it will be another
any way.  Thats what gives us the edge every day, flexibility.  We will work
around it, we always do.

I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE will
continue to work fine.  Their omni low gain antenna can't compete with a
20-30db directional one.  Still sucks though, you drive down the street and
see one after another running 5Ghz just knowing there probably isn't 3
connections in the whole city to them

Scott Carullo
Technical Operations
855-FLSPEED x102

  <http://www.flhsi.com/files/emaillogo.jpg> 

 

  _  

From: "Matt Hoppes" 
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:43 PM
To: "sc...@brevardwireless.com" , "WISPA General
List" 
Cc: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

Are you seeing any impact from them?


On Nov 14, 2013, at 18:03, "Scott Carullo" 
wrote:

Yeah, won't matter either way with a 5Ghz AP on every street corner.
Already seeing that in our areas  do a wireless scan and you see 354
5Ghz APs now in addition to the 2Ghz ones (they run dual band APs now).

Scott Carullo
Technical Operations
855-FLSPEED x102

  <http://www.flhsi.com/files/emaillogo.jpg> 

 


  _  


From: "Bret Clark" 
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:49 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

What could go wrong with Comcast taking up yet more 5GHz of
spectrum...[/sarcasm off]

On 11/14/2013 01:40 PM, ralph wrote:

I hope the links at the bottom come through.

---

 

Comcast needs the FCC to open up the 5 GHz spectrum band to power
next-generation Wi-Fi services that could allow it to deliver wireless
broadband at speeds of up to 1 Gbps, SVP of Business Development Tom Nagel
testified at a House Energy and Commerce hearing on Wednesday. 

 

Nagel disclosed in his prepared testimony that Comcast has expanded the
number of Wi-Fi access points for Xfinity high-speed Internet customers to
350,000. The nation's largest cable MSO also began deploying wireless
gateways from Cisco earlier this year that Comcast has said may be able to
power millions of neighborhood hotspots.

 

While Comcast already is already using the 5 GHz band, Nagel said it needs
more of the unlicensed spectrum to meet demand from subscribers for Wi-Fi.
It faces potential opposition from Toyota and other automobile manufacturers
who want to use the 5 GHz band to deliver next-generation connected car
applications, including applications that would warn drivers of collision
threats.

 

Toyota principal researcher John Kenney raised concerns about possible
interference from Wi-Fi services at Wednesday's hearing.  "We have been
actively engaged with the Wi-Fi community and other stakeholders who are
exploring possible sharing solutions that will alleviate any risk of harmful
interference from unlicensed devices. But we're not there yet and it's going
to take a bit more time to see if we can get there," Kenney said in his
prepared testimony.

 

For more:
- see Nagel's prepared testimony
<http://links.mkt1985.com/ctt?kn=207&ms=NzE0MjgxOQS2&r=NDc2MTk4ODcyMzcS1&b=0
&j=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0&mt=2&rj=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0&rt=0>  (.pdf)
- see Kenney's prepared testimony
<http://links.mkt1985.com/ctt?kn=187&ms=NzE0MjgxOQS2&r=NDc2MTk4ODcyMzcS1&b=0
&j=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0&mt=2&rj=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0&rt=0>  (.pdf)
- see Comcast blog post
<http://links.mkt1985.com/ctt?kn=118&ms=NzE0MjgxOQS2&r=NDc2MTk4ODcyMzcS1&b=0
&j=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0&mt=2&rj=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0&rt=0> 
- Broadcasting & Cable has this story
<http://links.mkt1985.com/ctt?kn=190&ms=NzE0MjgxOQS2&r=NDc2MTk4ODcyMzcS1&b=0
&j=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0&a

Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

[Coenraad Loubser]

You guys are hilarious.

In seriousness though, it shouldn't be a difficult if the argument is
turned into what the value of the bands is to the economy, vs other uses.


On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 2:26 AM, Scott Carullo wrote:

> Sure, why else would there be African bands...  Of course its for the
> African customers.  Silly question.
>
> Scott Carullo
> Technical Operations
> 855-FLSPEED x102
>
>
>
> --
> *From*: "Robert" 
> *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 7:24 PM
> *To*: "WISPA General List" 
> *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>
>
> So does that mean I can use the African bands for my S. African
> customers and etc...?
>
> On 11/14/2013 04:12 PM, Scott Carullo wrote:
> > You can always go to the Japanese channels, they always seem to be nice
> > and quiet ;) We have lots of Asian customers so we are allowed to use
> > them in some areas...
> >
> > Scott Carullo
> > Technical Operations
> > 855-FLSPEED x102
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> > *From*: "Matt Hoppes" 
> > *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:59 PM
> > *To*: sc...@brevardwireless.com, "WISPA General List" <
> wireless@wispa.org>
> > *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
> >
> > Yeah... this is why I always preach 20dB above the noise floor...
> > signals in the 45 to 55 range. If you install in the 70s you have no
> > where to go.
> >
> >
> > Matt Hoppes
> > Director of Information Technology
> > Indigo Wireless
> > +1 (570) 723-7312
> >
> > On 11/14/13, 6:52 PM, Scott Carullo wrote:
> >> Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up - we
> >> all know things work better when its quiet. This used to worry me a lot
> >> when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was already there and I had
> >> no idea until I just happened to scan on some radios (I don't usually
> >> install the stuff). I'm not worried any more, if its not one thing it
> >> will be another any way. Thats what gives us the edge every day,
> >> flexibility. We will work around it, we always do.
> >>
> >> I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE will
> >> continue to work fine. Their omni low gain antenna can't compete with a
> >> 20-30db directional one. Still sucks though, you drive down the street
> >> and see one after another running 5Ghz just knowing there probably isn't
> >> 3 connections in the whole city to them
> >>
> >> Scott Carullo
> >> Technical Operations
> >> 855-FLSPEED x102
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 
> >> *From*: "Matt Hoppes" 
> >> *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:43 PM
> >> *To*: "sc...@brevardwireless.com" , "WISPA
> >> General List" 
> >> *Cc*: "WISPA General List" 
> >> *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
> >>
> >> Are you seeing any impact from them?
> >>
> >> On Nov 14, 2013, at 18:03, "Scott Carullo"  >> <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Yeah, won't matter either way with a 5Ghz AP on every street corner.
> >>> Already seeing that in our areas do a wireless scan and you see
> >>> 354 5Ghz APs now in addition to the 2Ghz ones (they run dual band APs
> >>> now).
> >>>
> >>> Scott Carullo
> >>> Technical Operations
> >>> 855-FLSPEED x102
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> 
> >>> *From*: "Bret Clark"  >>> <mailto:bcl...@spectraaccess.com>>
> >>> *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:49 PM
> >>> *To*: wireless@wispa.org <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>
> >>> *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
> >>>
> >>> What could go wrong with Comcast taking up yet more 5GHz of
> >>> spectrum...[/sarcasm off]
> >>>
> >>> On 11/14/2013 01:40 PM, ralph wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I hope the links at the bottom come through.
> >>>>
> >>>> 

Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

[Scott Carullo]

Sure, why else would there be African bands...  Of course its for the 
African customers.  Silly question.

Scott Carullo
Technical Operations
855-FLSPEED x102


From: "Robert" 
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 7:24 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

So does that mean I can use the African bands for my S. African
customers and etc...?

On 11/14/2013 04:12 PM, Scott Carullo wrote:
> You can always go to the Japanese channels, they always seem to be nice
> and quiet ;)  We have lots of Asian customers so we are allowed to use
> them in some areas...
> 
> Scott Carullo
> Technical Operations
> 855-FLSPEED x102
> 
> 
> 
> 
> *From*: "Matt Hoppes" 
> *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:59 PM
> *To*: sc...@brevardwireless.com, "WISPA General List" 

> *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
> 
> Yeah... this is why I always preach 20dB above the noise floor...
> signals in the 45 to 55 range. If you install in the 70s you have no
> where to go.
> 
> 
> Matt Hoppes
> Director of Information Technology
> Indigo Wireless
> +1 (570) 723-7312
> 
> On 11/14/13, 6:52 PM, Scott Carullo wrote:
>> Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up - we
>> all know things work better when its quiet.  This used to worry me a 
lot
>> when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was already there and I 
had
>> no idea until I just happened to scan on some radios (I don't usually
>> install the stuff).  I'm not worried any more, if its not one thing it
>> will be another any way.  Thats what gives us the edge every day,
>> flexibility.  We will work around it, we always do.
>>
>> I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE 
will
>> continue to work fine.  Their omni low gain antenna can't compete with 
a
>> 20-30db directional one.  Still sucks though, you drive down the street
>> and see one after another running 5Ghz just knowing there probably 
isn't
>> 3 connections in the whole city to them
>>
>> Scott Carullo
>> Technical Operations
>> 855-FLSPEED x102
>>
>>
>>
>> 
----
>> *From*: "Matt Hoppes" 
>> *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:43 PM
>> *To*: "sc...@brevardwireless.com" , "WISPA
>> General List" 
>> *Cc*: "WISPA General List" 
>> *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>>
>> Are you seeing any impact from them?
>>
>> On Nov 14, 2013, at 18:03, "Scott Carullo" > <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, won't matter either way with a 5Ghz AP on every street corner.
>>> Already seeing that in our areas  do a wireless scan and you see
>>> 354 5Ghz APs now in addition to the 2Ghz ones (they run dual band APs
>>> now).
>>>
>>> Scott Carullo
>>> Technical Operations
>>> 855-FLSPEED x102
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 

>>> *From*: "Bret Clark" >> <mailto:bcl...@spectraaccess.com>>
>>> *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:49 PM
>>> *To*: wireless@wispa.org <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>
>>> *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>>>
>>> What could go wrong with Comcast taking up yet more 5GHz of
>>> spectrum...[/sarcasm off]
>>>
>>> On 11/14/2013 01:40 PM, ralph wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I hope the links at the bottom come through.
>>>>
>>>> ---
>>>>
>>>> Comcast needs the FCC to open up the 5 GHz spectrum band to power
>>>> next-generation Wi-Fi services that could allow it to deliver
>>>> wireless broadband at speeds of up to 1 Gbps, SVP of Business
>>>> Development Tom Nagel testified at a House Energy and Commerce
>>>> hearing on Wednesday.
>>>>
>>>> Nagel disclosed in his prepared testimony that Comcast has expanded
>>>> the number of Wi-Fi access points for Xfinity high-speed Internet
>>>> customers to 350,000. The nation's largest cable MSO also began
>>>> deploying wireless gateways from Cisco earlier this year that Comcast
>>>> 

Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

[Robert]

So does that mean I can use the African bands for my S. African
customers and etc...?

On 11/14/2013 04:12 PM, Scott Carullo wrote:
> You can always go to the Japanese channels, they always seem to be nice
> and quiet ;)  We have lots of Asian customers so we are allowed to use
> them in some areas...
> 
> Scott Carullo
> Technical Operations
> 855-FLSPEED x102
> 
> 
> 
> 
> *From*: "Matt Hoppes" 
> *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:59 PM
> *To*: sc...@brevardwireless.com, "WISPA General List" 
> *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
> 
> Yeah... this is why I always preach 20dB above the noise floor...
> signals in the 45 to 55 range. If you install in the 70s you have no
> where to go.
> 
> 
> Matt Hoppes
> Director of Information Technology
> Indigo Wireless
> +1 (570) 723-7312
> 
> On 11/14/13, 6:52 PM, Scott Carullo wrote:
>> Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up - we
>> all know things work better when its quiet.  This used to worry me a lot
>> when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was already there and I had
>> no idea until I just happened to scan on some radios (I don't usually
>> install the stuff).  I'm not worried any more, if its not one thing it
>> will be another any way.  Thats what gives us the edge every day,
>> flexibility.  We will work around it, we always do.
>>
>> I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE will
>> continue to work fine.  Their omni low gain antenna can't compete with a
>> 20-30db directional one.  Still sucks though, you drive down the street
>> and see one after another running 5Ghz just knowing there probably isn't
>> 3 connections in the whole city to them
>>
>> Scott Carullo
>> Technical Operations
>> 855-FLSPEED x102
>>
>>
>>
>> --------
>> *From*: "Matt Hoppes" 
>> *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:43 PM
>> *To*: "sc...@brevardwireless.com" , "WISPA
>> General List" 
>> *Cc*: "WISPA General List" 
>> *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>>
>> Are you seeing any impact from them?
>>
>> On Nov 14, 2013, at 18:03, "Scott Carullo" > <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, won't matter either way with a 5Ghz AP on every street corner.
>>> Already seeing that in our areas  do a wireless scan and you see
>>> 354 5Ghz APs now in addition to the 2Ghz ones (they run dual band APs
>>> now).
>>>
>>> Scott Carullo
>>> Technical Operations
>>> 855-FLSPEED x102
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> *From*: "Bret Clark" >> <mailto:bcl...@spectraaccess.com>>
>>> *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:49 PM
>>> *To*: wireless@wispa.org <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>
>>> *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>>>
>>> What could go wrong with Comcast taking up yet more 5GHz of
>>> spectrum...[/sarcasm off]
>>>
>>> On 11/14/2013 01:40 PM, ralph wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I hope the links at the bottom come through.
>>>>
>>>> ---
>>>>
>>>> Comcast needs the FCC to open up the 5 GHz spectrum band to power
>>>> next-generation Wi-Fi services that could allow it to deliver
>>>> wireless broadband at speeds of up to 1 Gbps, SVP of Business
>>>> Development Tom Nagel testified at a House Energy and Commerce
>>>> hearing on Wednesday.
>>>>
>>>> Nagel disclosed in his prepared testimony that Comcast has expanded
>>>> the number of Wi-Fi access points for Xfinity high-speed Internet
>>>> customers to 350,000. The nation's largest cable MSO also began
>>>> deploying wireless gateways from Cisco earlier this year that Comcast
>>>> has said may be able to power millions of neighborhood hotspots.
>>>>
>>>> While Comcast already is already using the 5 GHz band, Nagel said it
>>>> needs more of the unlicensed spectrum to meet demand from subscribers
>>>> for Wi-Fi. It faces potential opposition from Toyota and other
>>>> automobile manufact

Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

[Scott Carullo]

You can always go to the Japanese channels, they always seem to be nice and 
quiet ;)  We have lots of Asian customers so we are allowed to use them in 
some areas...

Scott Carullo
Technical Operations
855-FLSPEED x102


From: "Matt Hoppes" 
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:59 PM
To: sc...@brevardwireless.com, "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

Yeah...  this is why I always preach 20dB above the noise floor... 
signals in the 45 to 55 range.   If you install in the 70s you have no 
where to go.

Matt Hoppes
Director of Information Technology
Indigo Wireless
+1 (570) 723-7312

On 11/14/13, 6:52 PM, Scott Carullo wrote:
> Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up - we
> all know things work better when its quiet.  This used to worry me a lot
> when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was already there and I had
> no idea until I just happened to scan on some radios (I don't usually
> install the stuff).  I'm not worried any more, if its not one thing it
> will be another any way.  Thats what gives us the edge every day,
> flexibility.  We will work around it, we always do.
>
> I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE will
> continue to work fine.  Their omni low gain antenna can't compete with a
> 20-30db directional one.  Still sucks though, you drive down the street
> and see one after another running 5Ghz just knowing there probably isn't
> 3 connections in the whole city to them
>
> Scott Carullo
> Technical Operations
> 855-FLSPEED x102
>
>
>
> 
> *From*: "Matt Hoppes" 
> *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:43 PM
> *To*: "sc...@brevardwireless.com" , "WISPA
> General List" 
> *Cc*: "WISPA General List" 
> *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>
> Are you seeing any impact from them?
>
> On Nov 14, 2013, at 18:03, "Scott Carullo"  <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>> wrote:
>
>> Yeah, won't matter either way with a 5Ghz AP on every street corner.
>> Already seeing that in our areas  do a wireless scan and you see
>> 354 5Ghz APs now in addition to the 2Ghz ones (they run dual band APs
>> now).
>>
>> Scott Carullo
>> Technical Operations
>> 855-FLSPEED x102
>>
>>
>>
>> 

>> *From*: "Bret Clark" > <mailto:bcl...@spectraaccess.com>>
>> *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:49 PM
>> *To*: wireless@wispa.org <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>
>> *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>>
>> What could go wrong with Comcast taking up yet more 5GHz of
>> spectrum...[/sarcasm off]
>>
>> On 11/14/2013 01:40 PM, ralph wrote:
>>>
>>> I hope the links at the bottom come through.
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> Comcast needs the FCC to open up the 5 GHz spectrum band to power
>>> next-generation Wi-Fi services that could allow it to deliver
>>> wireless broadband at speeds of up to 1 Gbps, SVP of Business
>>> Development Tom Nagel testified at a House Energy and Commerce
>>> hearing on Wednesday.
>>>
>>> Nagel disclosed in his prepared testimony that Comcast has expanded
>>> the number of Wi-Fi access points for Xfinity high-speed Internet
>>> customers to 350,000. The nation's largest cable MSO also began
>>> deploying wireless gateways from Cisco earlier this year that Comcast
>>> has said may be able to power millions of neighborhood hotspots.
>>>
>>> While Comcast already is already using the 5 GHz band, Nagel said it
>>> needs more of the unlicensed spectrum to meet demand from subscribers
>>> for Wi-Fi. It faces potential opposition from Toyota and other
>>> automobile manufacturers who want to use the 5 GHz band to deliver
>>> next-generation connected car applications, including applications
>>> that would warn drivers of collision threats.
>>>
>>> Toyota principal researcher John Kenney raised concerns about
>>> possible interference from Wi-Fi services at Wednesday's hearing.
>>>  "We have been actively engaged with the Wi-Fi community and other
>>> stakeholders who are exploring possible sharing solutions that will
>>> alleviate any risk of harmful interference from unlicensed devices.
>>&

Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

[Matt Hoppes]

Yeah...  this is why I always preach 20dB above the noise floor... 
signals in the 45 to 55 range.   If you install in the 70s you have no 
where to go.


Matt Hoppes
Director of Information Technology
Indigo Wireless
+1 (570) 723-7312

On 11/14/13, 6:52 PM, Scott Carullo wrote:
> Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up - we
> all know things work better when its quiet.  This used to worry me a lot
> when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was already there and I had
> no idea until I just happened to scan on some radios (I don't usually
> install the stuff).  I'm not worried any more, if its not one thing it
> will be another any way.  Thats what gives us the edge every day,
> flexibility.  We will work around it, we always do.
>
> I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE will
> continue to work fine.  Their omni low gain antenna can't compete with a
> 20-30db directional one.  Still sucks though, you drive down the street
> and see one after another running 5Ghz just knowing there probably isn't
> 3 connections in the whole city to them
>
> Scott Carullo
> Technical Operations
> 855-FLSPEED x102
>
>
>
> 
> *From*: "Matt Hoppes" 
> *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:43 PM
> *To*: "sc...@brevardwireless.com" , "WISPA
> General List" 
> *Cc*: "WISPA General List" 
> *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>
> Are you seeing any impact from them?
>
> On Nov 14, 2013, at 18:03, "Scott Carullo"  <mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com>> wrote:
>
>> Yeah, won't matter either way with a 5Ghz AP on every street corner.
>> Already seeing that in our areas  do a wireless scan and you see
>> 354 5Ghz APs now in addition to the 2Ghz ones (they run dual band APs
>> now).
>>
>> Scott Carullo
>> Technical Operations
>> 855-FLSPEED x102
>>
>>
>>
>> --------
>> *From*: "Bret Clark" > <mailto:bcl...@spectraaccess.com>>
>> *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:49 PM
>> *To*: wireless@wispa.org <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>
>> *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>>
>> What could go wrong with Comcast taking up yet more 5GHz of
>> spectrum...[/sarcasm off]
>>
>> On 11/14/2013 01:40 PM, ralph wrote:
>>>
>>> I hope the links at the bottom come through.
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> Comcast needs the FCC to open up the 5 GHz spectrum band to power
>>> next-generation Wi-Fi services that could allow it to deliver
>>> wireless broadband at speeds of up to 1 Gbps, SVP of Business
>>> Development Tom Nagel testified at a House Energy and Commerce
>>> hearing on Wednesday.
>>>
>>> Nagel disclosed in his prepared testimony that Comcast has expanded
>>> the number of Wi-Fi access points for Xfinity high-speed Internet
>>> customers to 350,000. The nation's largest cable MSO also began
>>> deploying wireless gateways from Cisco earlier this year that Comcast
>>> has said may be able to power millions of neighborhood hotspots.
>>>
>>> While Comcast already is already using the 5 GHz band, Nagel said it
>>> needs more of the unlicensed spectrum to meet demand from subscribers
>>> for Wi-Fi. It faces potential opposition from Toyota and other
>>> automobile manufacturers who want to use the 5 GHz band to deliver
>>> next-generation connected car applications, including applications
>>> that would warn drivers of collision threats.
>>>
>>> Toyota principal researcher John Kenney raised concerns about
>>> possible interference from Wi-Fi services at Wednesday's hearing.
>>>  "We have been actively engaged with the Wi-Fi community and other
>>> stakeholders who are exploring possible sharing solutions that will
>>> alleviate any risk of harmful interference from unlicensed devices.
>>> But we're not there yet and it's going to take a bit more time to see
>>> if we can get there," Kenney said in his prepared testimony.
>>>
>>> For more:
>>> - see Nagel's prepared testimony
>>> <http://links.mkt1985.com/ctt?kn=207&ms=NzE0MjgxOQS2&r=NDc2MTk4ODcyMzcS1&b=0&j=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0&mt=2&rj=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0&rt=0>
>>>  (.pdf)
>>> - see Ken

Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

[Scott Carullo]

Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up - we all 
know things work better when its quiet.  This used to worry me a lot when I 
saw it coming, but then I realized it was already there and I had no idea 
until I just happened to scan on some radios (I don't usually install the 
stuff).  I'm not worried any more, if its not one thing it will be another 
any way.  Thats what gives us the edge every day, flexibility.  We will 
work around it, we always do.

I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional CPE will 
continue to work fine.  Their omni low gain antenna can't compete with a 
20-30db directional one.  Still sucks though, you drive down the street and 
see one after another running 5Ghz just knowing there probably isn't 3 
connections in the whole city to them

Scott Carullo
Technical Operations
855-FLSPEED x102


From: "Matt Hoppes" 
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:43 PM
To: "sc...@brevardwireless.com" , "WISPA General 
List" 
Cc: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

Are you seeing any impact from them?
On Nov 14, 2013, at 18:03, "Scott Carullo"  
wrote:

Yeah, won't matter either way with a 5Ghz AP on every street corner.  
Already seeing that in our areas  do a wireless scan and you see 354 
5Ghz APs now in addition to the 2Ghz ones (they run dual band APs now).

Scott Carullo
Technical Operations
855-FLSPEED x102


From: "Bret Clark" 
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:49 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

What could go wrong with Comcast taking   up yet more 5GHz of 
spectrum...[/sarcasm off]

  On 11/14/2013 01:40 PM, ralph wrote:

I hope the links at the bottom come through. 

--- 

  

Comcast needs the FCC to open up the 5 GHz spectrum band to 
power next-generation Wi-Fi services that could allow it to 
deliver wireless broadband at speeds of up to 1 Gbps, SVP of
 Business Development Tom Nagel testified at a House Energy 
and Commerce hearing on Wednesday.  

  

Nagel disclosed in his prepared testimony that Comcast has  
   expanded the number of Wi-Fi access points for Xfinity 
high-speed Internet customers to 350,000. The nation's largest 
cable MSO also began deploying wireless gateways from Cisco 
earlier this year that Comcast has said may be able to power
 millions of neighborhood hotspots. 

  

While Comcast already is already using the 5 GHz band, Nagel 
said it needs more of the unlicensed spectrum to meet demand 
from subscribers for Wi-Fi. It faces potential opposition from  
   Toyota and other automobile manufacturers who want to use
 the 5 GHz band to deliver next-generation connected car 
applications, including applications that would warn drivers of 
collision threats. 

  

Toyota principal researcher John Kenney raised concerns about   
  possible interference from Wi-Fi services at Wednesday's  
   hearing.  "We have been actively engaged with the Wi-Fi 
community and other stakeholders who are exploring possible 
sharing solutions that will alleviate any risk of harmful 
interference from unlicensed devices. But we're not there yet 
and it's going to take a bit more time to see if we can get 
there," Kenney said in his prepared testimony. 

  

For more:
- see Nagel's prepared testimony (.pdf)
- see Kenney's prepared testimony (.pdf)
- see Comcast blog   post
- Broadcasting & Cable has this story 

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Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

[Matt Hoppes]

Are you seeing any impact from them?

On Nov 14, 2013, at 18:03, "Scott Carullo"  wrote:

> Yeah, won't matter either way with a 5Ghz AP on every street corner.  Already 
> seeing that in our areas  do a wireless scan and you see 354 5Ghz APs now 
> in addition to the 2Ghz ones (they run dual band APs now).
> 
> Scott Carullo
> Technical Operations
> 855-FLSPEED x102
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Bret Clark" 
> Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:49 PM
> To: wireless@wispa.org
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
> 
> What could go wrong with Comcast taking up yet more 5GHz of 
> spectrum...[/sarcasm off]
> 
> On 11/14/2013 01:40 PM, ralph wrote:
>> I hope the links at the bottom come through.
>> ---
>>  
>> Comcast needs the FCC to open up the 5 GHz spectrum band to power 
>> next-generation Wi-Fi services that could allow it to deliver wireless 
>> broadband at speeds of up to 1 Gbps, SVP of Business Development Tom Nagel 
>> testified at a House Energy and Commerce hearing on Wednesday.
>>  
>> Nagel disclosed in his prepared testimony that Comcast has expanded the 
>> number of Wi-Fi access points for Xfinity high-speed Internet customers to 
>> 350,000. The nation's largest cable MSO also began deploying wireless 
>> gateways from Cisco earlier this year that Comcast has said may be able to 
>> power millions of neighborhood hotspots.
>>  
>> While Comcast already is already using the 5 GHz band, Nagel said it needs 
>> more of the unlicensed spectrum to meet demand from subscribers for Wi-Fi. 
>> It faces potential opposition from Toyota and other automobile manufacturers 
>> who want to use the 5 GHz band to deliver next-generation connected car 
>> applications, including applications that would warn drivers of collision 
>> threats.
>>  
>> Toyota principal researcher John Kenney raised concerns about possible 
>> interference from Wi-Fi services at Wednesday's hearing.  "We have been 
>> actively engaged with the Wi-Fi community and other stakeholders who are 
>> exploring possible sharing solutions that will alleviate any risk of harmful 
>> interference from unlicensed devices. But we're not there yet and it's going 
>> to take a bit more time to see if we can get there," Kenney said in his 
>> prepared testimony.
>>  
>> For more:
>> - see Nagel's prepared testimony (.pdf)
>> - see Kenney's prepared testimony (.pdf)
>> - see Comcast blog post
>> - Broadcasting & Cable has this story
> 
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[WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

[Zach Mann]

I am a part of that for the BIG cable companies for my day job... I also
have a small WISP and see the full powered AP's on every scan list. :\
Ruckus APs going up in a lot of new markets in 2014.


On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 5:03 PM, Scott Carullo

> wrote:

> Yeah, won't matter either way with a 5Ghz AP on every street corner.
> Already seeing that in our areas  do a wireless scan and you see 354
> 5Ghz APs now in addition to the 2Ghz ones (they run dual band APs now).
>
> Scott Carullo
> Technical Operations
> 855-FLSPEED x102
>
>
>
> --
> *From*: "Bret Clark"  'bcl...@spectraaccess.com');>>
> *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:49 PM
> *To*: wireless@wispa.org  'wireless@wispa.org');>
> *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>
> What could go wrong with Comcast taking up yet more 5GHz of
> spectrum...[/sarcasm off]
>
> On 11/14/2013 01:40 PM, ralph wrote:
>
>  I hope the links at the bottom come through.
>
> ---
>
>
>
> Comcast needs the FCC to open up the 5 GHz spectrum band to power
> next-generation Wi-Fi services that could allow it to deliver wireless
> broadband at speeds of up to 1 Gbps, SVP of Business Development Tom Nagel
> testified at a House Energy and Commerce hearing on Wednesday.
>
>
>
> Nagel disclosed in his prepared testimony that Comcast has expanded the
> number of Wi-Fi access points for Xfinity high-speed Internet customers to
> 350,000. The nation's largest cable MSO also began deploying wireless
> gateways from Cisco earlier this year that Comcast has said may be able
> to power millions of neighborhood hotspots.
>
>
>
> While Comcast already is already using the 5 GHz band, Nagel said it needs
> more of the unlicensed spectrum to meet demand from subscribers for Wi-Fi.
> It faces potential opposition from Toyota and other automobile
> manufacturers who want to use the 5 GHz band to deliver next-generation
> connected car applications, including applications that would warn drivers
> of collision threats.
>
>
>
> Toyota principal researcher John Kenney raised concerns about possible
> interference from Wi-Fi services at Wednesday's hearing.  "We have been
> actively engaged with the Wi-Fi community and other stakeholders who are
> exploring possible sharing solutions that will alleviate any risk of
> harmful interference from unlicensed devices. But we're not there yet and
> it's going to take a bit more time to see if we can get there," Kenney said
> in his prepared testimony.
>
>
>
> For more:
> - see Nagel's prepared 
> testimony<http://links.mkt1985.com/ctt?kn=207&ms=NzE0MjgxOQS2&r=NDc2MTk4ODcyMzcS1&b=0&j=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0&mt=2&rj=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0&rt=0>
>  (.pdf)
> - see Kenney's prepared 
> testimony<http://links.mkt1985.com/ctt?kn=187&ms=NzE0MjgxOQS2&r=NDc2MTk4ODcyMzcS1&b=0&j=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0&mt=2&rj=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0&rt=0>
>  (.pdf)
> - see Comcast blog 
> post<http://links.mkt1985.com/ctt?kn=118&ms=NzE0MjgxOQS2&r=NDc2MTk4ODcyMzcS1&b=0&j=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0&mt=2&rj=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0&rt=0>
> - *Broadcasting & Cable* has this 
> story<http://links.mkt1985.com/ctt?kn=190&ms=NzE0MjgxOQS2&r=NDc2MTk4ODcyMzcS1&b=0&j=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0&mt=2&rj=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0&rt=0>
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Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

[Mike Hammett]

Not that it'll cure it, but we'll have to step up shielding, isolation, antenna 
gain, better F/B, better side lobe suppression, etc. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Scott Carullo"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:03:00 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. 

Yeah, won't matter either way with a 5Ghz AP on every street corner. Already 
seeing that in our areas do a wireless scan and you see 354 5Ghz APs now in 
addition to the 2Ghz ones (they run dual band APs now). 


Scott Carullo 
Technical Operations 
855-FLSPEED x102 




>From : "Bret Clark"  
Sent : Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:49 PM 
To : wireless@wispa.org 
Subject : Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum. 


What could go wrong with Comcast taking up yet more 5GHz of 
spectrum...[/sarcasm off] 

On 11/14/2013 01:40 PM, ralph wrote: 




I hope the links at the bottom come through. 
--- 

Comcast needs the FCC to open up the 5 GHz spectrum band to power 
next-generation Wi-Fi services that could allow it to deliver wireless 
broadband at speeds of up to 1 Gbps, SVP of Business Development Tom Nagel 
testified at a House Energy and Commerce hearing on Wednesday. 

Nagel disclosed in his prepared testimony that Comcast has expanded the number 
of Wi-Fi access points for Xfinity high-speed Internet customers to 350,000. 
The nation's largest cable MSO also began deploying wireless gateways from 
Cisco earlier this year that Comcast has said may be able to power millions of 
neighborhood hotspots. 

While Comcast already is already using the 5 GHz band, Nagel said it needs more 
of the unlicensed spectrum to meet demand from subscribers for Wi-Fi. It faces 
potential opposition from Toyota and other automobile manufacturers who want to 
use the 5 GHz band to deliver next-generation connected car applications, 
including applications that would warn drivers of collision threats. 

Toyota principal researcher John Kenney raised concerns about possible 
interference from Wi-Fi services at Wednesday's hearing. "We have been actively 
engaged with the Wi-Fi community and other stakeholders who are exploring 
possible sharing solutions that will alleviate any risk of harmful interference 
from unlicensed devices. But we're not there yet and it's going to take a bit 
more time to see if we can get there," Kenney said in his prepared testimony. 

For more: 
- see Nagel's prepared testimony (.pdf) 
- see Kenney's prepared testimony (.pdf) 
- see Comcast blog post 
- Broadcasting & Cable has this story 




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Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

[Scott Carullo]

Yeah, won't matter either way with a 5Ghz AP on every street corner.  Already 
seeing that in our areas  do a wireless scan and you see 354 5Ghz APs now 
in addition to the 2Ghz ones (they run dual band APs now).

Scott Carullo
Technical Operations
855-FLSPEED x102


From: "Bret Clark" 
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:49 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

What could go wrong with Comcast taking   up yet more 5GHz of 
spectrum...[/sarcasm off]

  On 11/14/2013 01:40 PM, ralph wrote:

I hope the links at the bottom come through.

---



Comcast needs the FCC to open up the 5 GHz spectrum band to power   
  next-generation Wi-Fi services that could allow it to 
deliver wireless broadband at speeds of up to 1 Gbps, SVP of 
Business Development Tom Nagel testified at a House Energy and 
Commerce hearing on Wednesday.



Nagel disclosed in his prepared testimony that Comcast has  
   expanded the number of Wi-Fi access points for Xfinity 
high-speed Internet customers to 350,000. The nation's largest 
cable MSO also began deploying wireless gateways from Cisco earlier 
this year that Comcast has said may be able to power 
millions of neighborhood hotspots.



While Comcast already is already using the 5 GHz band, Nagel said   
  it needs more of the unlicensed spectrum to meet demand from  
   subscribers for Wi-Fi. It faces potential opposition from Toyota 
and other automobile manufacturers who want to use the 5 GHz band 
to deliver next-generation connected car applications, including 
applications that would warn drivers of collision threats.



Toyota principal researcher John Kenney raised concerns about   
  possible interference from Wi-Fi services at Wednesday's 
hearing.  "We have been actively engaged with the Wi-Fi community 
and other stakeholders who are exploring possible sharing solutions 
that will alleviate any risk of harmful interference from 
unlicensed devices. But we're not there yet and it's going to take 
a bit more time to see if we can get there," Kenney said in his 
prepared testimony.



For more:
- see Nagel's prepared testimony (.pdf)
- see Kenney's prepared testimony (.pdf)
- see Comcast blog   post
- Broadcasting & Cable has this story


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Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

[Bret Clark]

What could go wrong with Comcast taking up yet more 5GHz of 
spectrum...[/sarcasm off]


On 11/14/2013 01:40 PM, ralph wrote:


I hope the links at the bottom come through.

---

Comcast needs the FCC to open up the 5 GHz spectrum band to power 
next-generation Wi-Fi services that could allow it to deliver wireless 
broadband at speeds of up to 1 Gbps, SVP of Business Development Tom 
Nagel testified at a House Energy and Commerce hearing on Wednesday.


Nagel disclosed in his prepared testimony that Comcast has expanded 
the number of Wi-Fi access points for Xfinity high-speed Internet 
customers to 350,000. The nation's largest cable MSO also began 
deploying wireless gateways from Cisco earlier this year that Comcast 
has said may be able to power millions of neighborhood hotspots.


While Comcast already is already using the 5 GHz band, Nagel said it 
needs more of the unlicensed spectrum to meet demand from subscribers 
for Wi-Fi. It faces potential opposition from Toyota and other 
automobile manufacturers who want to use the 5 GHz band to deliver 
next-generation connected car applications, including applications 
that would warn drivers of collision threats.


Toyota principal researcher John Kenney raised concerns about possible 
interference from Wi-Fi services at Wednesday's hearing.  "We have 
been actively engaged with the Wi-Fi community and other stakeholders 
who are exploring possible sharing solutions that will alleviate any 
risk of harmful interference from unlicensed devices… But we're not 
there yet and it's going to take a bit more time to see if we can get 
there," Kenney said in his prepared testimony.


For more:
- see Nagel's prepared testimony 
 (.pdf)
- see Kenney's prepared testimony 
 (.pdf)
- see Comcast blog post 

- /Broadcasting & Cable/ has this story 





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[WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

[ralph]

I hope the links at the bottom come through.

---

 

Comcast needs the FCC to open up the 5 GHz spectrum band to power
next-generation Wi-Fi services that could allow it to deliver wireless
broadband at speeds of up to 1 Gbps, SVP of Business Development Tom Nagel
testified at a House Energy and Commerce hearing on Wednesday. 

 

Nagel disclosed in his prepared testimony that Comcast has expanded the
number of Wi-Fi access points for Xfinity high-speed Internet customers to
350,000. The nation's largest cable MSO also began deploying wireless
gateways from Cisco earlier this year that Comcast has said may be able to
power millions of neighborhood hotspots.

 

While Comcast already is already using the 5 GHz band, Nagel said it needs
more of the unlicensed spectrum to meet demand from subscribers for Wi-Fi.
It faces potential opposition from Toyota and other automobile manufacturers
who want to use the 5 GHz band to deliver next-generation connected car
applications, including applications that would warn drivers of collision
threats.

 

Toyota principal researcher John Kenney raised concerns about possible
interference from Wi-Fi services at Wednesday's hearing.  "We have been
actively engaged with the Wi-Fi community and other stakeholders who are
exploring possible sharing solutions that will alleviate any risk of harmful
interference from unlicensed devices. But we're not there yet and it's going
to take a bit more time to see if we can get there," Kenney said in his
prepared testimony.

 

For more:
- see Nagel's prepared testimony
  (.pdf)
- see Kenney's prepared testimony
  (.pdf)
- see Comcast blog post
 
- Broadcasting & Cable has this story
 

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[WISPA] Comcast getting into Video over IP

[Charles Wu]

Comcast Corp., facing a growing threat from online video services, is fighting 
fire with fire. 

The country's largest cable-service provider soon will start testing a new way 
to deliver its television channels, co-opting the same technology standard that 
upstart Internet rivals have used to challenge traditional pay-TV business 
models.

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Re: [WISPA] Comcast

[Glenn Kelley]

Time to choose a new colo center then. 
I have some stuff in various dc's and can get well over 100mbps from them if 
needed. 


On Aug 27, 2010, at 5:14 PM, Matt wrote:

>> I was primarily thinking along the lines of how much bandwidth you
>> could truly route into then out of such a setup. I had a co-lo's where
>> I could push 100mb/s out, but barely 20mb/s in, because they sold most
>> of the inbound off to ISPs in the area and they were pretty much at
>> saturation.
> 
> We have one server in a colocation center.  When I run iperf tests to
> it with one of our DS3's it always maxes out the DS3.  I imagine it
> depends on the quality of your colocation center.
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Re: [WISPA] Comcast

[Matt]

> I was primarily thinking along the lines of how much bandwidth you
> could truly route into then out of such a setup. I had a co-lo's where
> I could push 100mb/s out, but barely 20mb/s in, because they sold most
> of the inbound off to ISPs in the area and they were pretty much at
> saturation.

We have one server in a colocation center.  When I run iperf tests to
it with one of our DS3's it always maxes out the DS3.  I imagine it
depends on the quality of your colocation center.

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Re: [WISPA] Comcast

[Jeromie Reeves]

On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 9:21 AM, Matt  wrote:
 Wouldn't you have to get them to run BGP over this connection, so you can
 keep things online? I suppose this would work if you were really desperate,
 and willing to basically NAT your whole network, but you wouldn't want to 
 do
>>>
>>> I would tunnel through them to a datacenter somewhere and do BGP
>>> there.  Many places for 50$ monthly you can get 4u colocation.
>>
>> Decent bandwidth or shared 100mbit with a few dozen racks.
>
> Most places give you 10mbs ethernet unmetered or 100mbps ethernet
> metered with ~1500GB.  If its backup and not primary I dont see that
> it matters much.  Just have to work something out with colocation guy.
>
> Matt

I was primarily thinking along the lines of how much bandwidth you
could truly route into then out of such a setup. I had a co-lo's where
I could push 100mb/s out, but barely 20mb/s in, because they sold most
of the inbound off to ISPs in the area and they were pretty much at
saturation.

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Re: [WISPA] Comcast

[Matt]

>>> Wouldn't you have to get them to run BGP over this connection, so you can
>>> keep things online? I suppose this would work if you were really desperate,
>>> and willing to basically NAT your whole network, but you wouldn't want to do
>>
>> I would tunnel through them to a datacenter somewhere and do BGP
>> there.  Many places for 50$ monthly you can get 4u colocation.
>
> Decent bandwidth or shared 100mbit with a few dozen racks.

Most places give you 10mbs ethernet unmetered or 100mbps ethernet
metered with ~1500GB.  If its backup and not primary I dont see that
it matters much.  Just have to work something out with colocation guy.

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Re: [WISPA] Comcast

[Jeromie Reeves]

On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 7:40 AM, Matt  wrote:
>> Wouldn't you have to get them to run BGP over this connection, so you can
>> keep things online? I suppose this would work if you were really desperate,
>> and willing to basically NAT your whole network, but you wouldn't want to do
>
> I would tunnel through them to a datacenter somewhere and do BGP
> there.  Many places for 50$ monthly you can get 4u colocation.

Decent bandwidth or shared 100mbit with a few dozen racks.

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Re: [WISPA] Comcast

[Matt]

> Wouldn't you have to get them to run BGP over this connection, so you can
> keep things online? I suppose this would work if you were really desperate,
> and willing to basically NAT your whole network, but you wouldn't want to do

I would tunnel through them to a datacenter somewhere and do BGP
there.  Many places for 50$ monthly you can get 4u colocation.

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Re: [WISPA] Comcast

[Mike Hammett]

  BGP on their regular services?

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On 8/26/2010 6:35 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
> Checked. They will do bgp and most people I know use a router with comcast 
> instead of the business gateway.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 26, 2010, at 6:20 PM, "Nick Olsen"  wrote:
>
>> Thats if you got them to do BGP.
>> The local cable company around here will say "Whats BGP?" when you start
>> talking anything more then your windows computer and modem. Oh, and a
>> router, Don't you dare use a router with there service..
>>
>> Nick Olsen
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>> (321) 205-1100 x106
>>
>>  Original Message 
>>> From: "Jeremie Chism"
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 6:18 PM
>>> To: "WISPA General List"
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast
>>>
>>> Exactly my thought. I could have them do bgp (I've read they will) to
>> keep me up in an emergency. Could possibly even use it for a couple low
>> cost customers that I made the mistake of signing when I first started.
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Aug 26, 2010, at 4:59 PM, "David E. Smith"  wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 16:55, Jeremie Chism
>> wrote:
>>>> Comcast has just rolled out their 50/10 and 100/20 service here. At
>> 189.99 for 50/10 I was seriously considering ordering one as a backup
>> connection if my main connection failed. Talked to the sales manager and
>> they had no problem with it and would put it on the contract. Any
>> suggestions or has anyone else had a dealing with this type connection as a
>> backup.
>>>> Wouldn't you have to get them to run BGP over this connection, so you
>> can keep things online? I suppose this would work if you were really
>> desperate, and willing to basically NAT your whole network, but you
>> wouldn't want to do that for more than a couple hours while the real links
>> are repaired.
>>>> David Smith
>>>> MVN.net
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Re: [WISPA] Comcast

[Mike Hammett]

 Comcast will do BGP...  over fiber.

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On 8/26/2010 5:04 PM, Bret Clark wrote:

On 08/26/2010 05:59 PM, David E. Smith wrote:



On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 16:55, Jeremie Chism > wrote:


Comcast has just rolled out their 50/10 and 100/20 service here.
At 189.99 for 50/10 I was seriously considering ordering one as a
backup connection if my main connection failed. Talked to the
sales manager and they had no problem with it and would put it on
the contract. Any suggestions or has anyone else had a dealing
with this type connection as a backup.


Wouldn't you have to get them to run BGP over this connection, so you 
can keep things online? I suppose this would work if you were really 
desperate, and willing to basically NAT your whole network, but you 
wouldn't want to do that for more than a couple hours while the real 
links are repaired.


David Smith
MVN.net



And I don't believe Comcast offers BGP not to mention you mileage will 
vary with the quality of the link. Tends to be great when you're the 
first one on it, but as they start overselling their backbone quality 
drops dramatically...we've had quite few customers come back to us for 
this exact reason. I suppose in a pinch it would be better then nothing.


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Re: [WISPA] Comcast

[Jeremie Chism]

Checked. They will do bgp and most people I know use a router with comcast 
instead of the business gateway. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 26, 2010, at 6:20 PM, "Nick Olsen"  wrote:

> Thats if you got them to do BGP.
> The local cable company around here will say "Whats BGP?" when you start 
> talking anything more then your windows computer and modem. Oh, and a 
> router, Don't you dare use a router with there service..
> 
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>  Original Message 
>> From: "Jeremie Chism" 
>> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 6:18 PM
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast
>> 
>> Exactly my thought. I could have them do bgp (I've read they will) to 
> keep me up in an emergency. Could possibly even use it for a couple low 
> cost customers that I made the mistake of signing when I first started. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Aug 26, 2010, at 4:59 PM, "David E. Smith"  wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 16:55, Jeremie Chism  
> wrote:
>>> Comcast has just rolled out their 50/10 and 100/20 service here. At 
> 189.99 for 50/10 I was seriously considering ordering one as a backup 
> connection if my main connection failed. Talked to the sales manager and 
> they had no problem with it and would put it on the contract. Any 
> suggestions or has anyone else had a dealing with this type connection as a 
> backup.
>>> 
>>> Wouldn't you have to get them to run BGP over this connection, so you 
> can keep things online? I suppose this would work if you were really 
> desperate, and willing to basically NAT your whole network, but you 
> wouldn't want to do that for more than a couple hours while the real links 
> are repaired.
>>> 
>>> David Smith
>>> MVN.net
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Re: [WISPA] Comcast

[Nick Olsen]

Thats if you got them to do BGP.
The local cable company around here will say "Whats BGP?" when you start 
talking anything more then your windows computer and modem. Oh, and a 
router, Don't you dare use a router with there service..

Nick Olsen
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 Original Message 
> From: "Jeremie Chism" 
> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 6:18 PM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast
> 
> Exactly my thought. I could have them do bgp (I've read they will) to 
keep me up in an emergency. Could possibly even use it for a couple low 
cost customers that I made the mistake of signing when I first started. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Aug 26, 2010, at 4:59 PM, "David E. Smith"  wrote:
> 
> > 
> > 
> > On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 16:55, Jeremie Chism  
wrote:
> > Comcast has just rolled out their 50/10 and 100/20 service here. At 
189.99 for 50/10 I was seriously considering ordering one as a backup 
connection if my main connection failed. Talked to the sales manager and 
they had no problem with it and would put it on the contract. Any 
suggestions or has anyone else had a dealing with this type connection as a 
backup.
> > 
> > Wouldn't you have to get them to run BGP over this connection, so you 
can keep things online? I suppose this would work if you were really 
desperate, and willing to basically NAT your whole network, but you 
wouldn't want to do that for more than a couple hours while the real links 
are repaired.
> > 
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Re: [WISPA] Comcast

[Chris Hudson]

Would have been nice last week for me when my DS3 dumped. I wouldn't have cared 
if my customers were natted, as long as the had internet 99% would have been 
happy.

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  - Original Message - 
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  Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 4:59 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast





  On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 16:55, Jeremie Chism  wrote:

Comcast has just rolled out their 50/10 and 100/20 service here. At 189.99 
for 50/10 I was seriously considering ordering one as a backup connection if my 
main connection failed. Talked to the sales manager and they had no problem 
with it and would put it on the contract. Any suggestions or has anyone else 
had a dealing with this type connection as a backup.



  Wouldn't you have to get them to run BGP over this connection, so you can 
keep things online? I suppose this would work if you were really desperate, and 
willing to basically NAT your whole network, but you wouldn't want to do that 
for more than a couple hours while the real links are repaired.


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  MVN.net




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Re: [WISPA] Comcast

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Exactly my thought. I could have them do bgp (I've read they will) to keep me 
up in an emergency. Could possibly even use it for a couple low cost customers 
that I made the mistake of signing when I first started. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 26, 2010, at 4:59 PM, "David E. Smith"  wrote:

> 
> 
> On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 16:55, Jeremie Chism  wrote:
> Comcast has just rolled out their 50/10 and 100/20 service here. At 189.99 
> for 50/10 I was seriously considering ordering one as a backup connection if 
> my main connection failed. Talked to the sales manager and they had no 
> problem with it and would put it on the contract. Any suggestions or has 
> anyone else had a dealing with this type connection as a backup.
> 
> Wouldn't you have to get them to run BGP over this connection, so you can 
> keep things online? I suppose this would work if you were really desperate, 
> and willing to basically NAT your whole network, but you wouldn't want to do 
> that for more than a couple hours while the real links are repaired.
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Comcast

[Jeremie Chism]

I switch customers from them all the time because of quality issues. Just 
thinking of a cheap emergency backup. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 26, 2010, at 5:04 PM, Bret Clark  wrote:

> On 08/26/2010 05:59 PM, David E. Smith wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 16:55, Jeremie Chism  wrote:
>> Comcast has just rolled out their 50/10 and 100/20 service here. At 189.99 
>> for 50/10 I was seriously considering ordering one as a backup connection if 
>> my main connection failed. Talked to the sales manager and they had no 
>> problem with it and would put it on the contract. Any suggestions or has 
>> anyone else had a dealing with this type connection as a backup.
>> 
>> Wouldn't you have to get them to run BGP over this connection, so you can 
>> keep things online? I suppose this would work if you were really desperate, 
>> and willing to basically NAT your whole network, but you wouldn't want to do 
>> that for more than a couple hours while the real links are repaired.
>> 
>> David Smith
>> MVN.net
>> 
> 
> And I don't believe Comcast offers BGP not to mention you mileage will vary 
> with the quality of the link. Tends to be great when you're the first one on 
> it, but as they start overselling their backbone quality drops 
> dramatically...we've had quite few customers come back to us for this exact 
> reason. I suppose in a pinch it would be better then nothing.
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Re: [WISPA] Comcast

[Jeremie Chism]

Exactly my thought. I could have them do bgp (I've read they will) to keep me 
up in an emergency. Could possibly even use it for a couple low cost customers 
that I made the mistake of signing when I first started. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 26, 2010, at 4:59 PM, "David E. Smith"  wrote:

> 
> 
> On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 16:55, Jeremie Chism  wrote:
> Comcast has just rolled out their 50/10 and 100/20 service here. At 189.99 
> for 50/10 I was seriously considering ordering one as a backup connection if 
> my main connection failed. Talked to the sales manager and they had no 
> problem with it and would put it on the contract. Any suggestions or has 
> anyone else had a dealing with this type connection as a backup.
> 
> Wouldn't you have to get them to run BGP over this connection, so you can 
> keep things online? I suppose this would work if you were really desperate, 
> and willing to basically NAT your whole network, but you wouldn't want to do 
> that for more than a couple hours while the real links are repaired.
> 
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> MVN.net
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Re: [WISPA] Comcast

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On 08/26/2010 05:59 PM, David E. Smith wrote:



On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 16:55, Jeremie Chism > wrote:


Comcast has just rolled out their 50/10 and 100/20 service here.
At 189.99 for 50/10 I was seriously considering ordering one as a
backup connection if my main connection failed. Talked to the
sales manager and they had no problem with it and would put it on
the contract. Any suggestions or has anyone else had a dealing
with this type connection as a backup.


Wouldn't you have to get them to run BGP over this connection, so you 
can keep things online? I suppose this would work if you were really 
desperate, and willing to basically NAT your whole network, but you 
wouldn't want to do that for more than a couple hours while the real 
links are repaired.


David Smith
MVN.net



And I don't believe Comcast offers BGP not to mention you mileage will 
vary with the quality of the link. Tends to be great when you're the 
first one on it, but as they start overselling their backbone quality 
drops dramatically...we've had quite few customers come back to us for 
this exact reason. I suppose in a pinch it would be better then nothing.


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Re: [WISPA] Comcast

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On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 16:55, Jeremie Chism  wrote:

> Comcast has just rolled out their 50/10 and 100/20 service here. At 189.99
> for 50/10 I was seriously considering ordering one as a backup connection if
> my main connection failed. Talked to the sales manager and they had no
> problem with it and would put it on the contract. Any suggestions or has
> anyone else had a dealing with this type connection as a backup.
>

Wouldn't you have to get them to run BGP over this connection, so you can
keep things online? I suppose this would work if you were really desperate,
and willing to basically NAT your whole network, but you wouldn't want to do
that for more than a couple hours while the real links are repaired.

David Smith
MVN.net



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[WISPA] Comcast

[Jeremie Chism]

Comcast has just rolled out their 50/10 and 100/20 service here. At 189.99 for 
50/10 I was seriously considering ordering one as a backup connection if my 
main connection failed. Talked to the sales manager and they had no problem 
with it and would put it on the contract. Any suggestions or has anyone else 
had a dealing with this type connection as a backup. 

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Re: [WISPA] Comcast wholesale

[Mike Hammett]

They got me a quote, but weren't overly competitive.  That said, it was a 
couple years ago.

Maria Azada
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Comcast - Commercial Services
Direct:  847-585-0409
Cell: 773-447-8487
maria_az...@cable.comcast.com


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Subject: [WISPA] Comcast wholesale

> I think it was mentioned that Comcast may sell wholesale IP service to a 
> wisp.
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> any feedback on performance and who to contact
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[WISPA] Comcast wholesale

[Scott Piehn]

I think it was mentioned that Comcast may sell wholesale IP service to a wisp.  

any feedback on performance and who to contact


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[WISPA] Comcast Wireless Press Release

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http://www.comcast.com/About/PressRelease/PressReleaseDetail.ashx?PRID=887




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Re: [WISPA] Comcast Bandwidth

[Matt]

> Interesting. I guess they wised up :-)
> Their is no doubt they had the cross subsidee to fund it, and volume to
> support it.
>
> So the next question is... is it a good enough offering, that ISPs will
> trade one Monopoly (RBOC) for the other (Cable)?
> I can hear the questions now at the sales table... "Mr ISP, so you use
> Comcast transit, hmmm... then how come I'm considering your third party

Its not much different then using AT&T, Qwest, MCI or other bandwidth.
 They all sell DSL, etc.

Matt

> service, when Comcast send me a flyer last week for half the price to go
> direct?"  I can hear the MTU Landlord negotiations now... "My tenants are
> demanding Comcast, and won't sign the lease till the get it, because they
> say that it is the best. Should we continue partnering with you, or let
> Comcast in? What... you said you use Comcast as your primary transit
> provider also? Mmmm, maybe the tenant is right?"  I can hear the FCC
> meetings now "Ohh so the Open access strategies are working well to
> serve WISP's needs. Guess we should give Comcast what they want, Duopoly is
> A-Ok." .
>
> I think its great that Comcast is opening up and offering wholesale
> services. However, it could be a risky proposition long term for the
> independent Industry.
>
> Tom DeReggi
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> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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>
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast Bandwidth
>
>
>> Comcast made a splash last year in the wholesale world. First, they placed
>> the biggest order of Cisco CRS-1s. Then they interconnected every city
>> they are in with OC256 links over their own fiber. Then they started
>> peering and worked a deal with Equnix direct to sell wholesale transit.
>> They only sell full commit GigE and 10GigE ports, but the price is right
>> and the performance is awesome. This is what happens when a company builds
>> a modern network without legacy concerns AND has a lot of money.
>>
>> BTW, you might have missed that Comcast is actually a pretty major content
>> company. They own E!, Style, Golf Channel, G4, various sports channels,
>> the 76ers, the flyers, and several other content producers I can't think
>> of. While those properties may be content in the traditional sense as
>> opposed to the web sense; Comcast is a big enough deal to leverage this
>> situation as they enter new markets such as wholesale internet.
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Re: [WISPA] Comcast Bandwidth

[Tom DeReggi]

Interesting. I guess they wised up :-)
Their is no doubt they had the cross subsidee to fund it, and volume to 
support it.

So the next question is... is it a good enough offering, that ISPs will 
trade one Monopoly (RBOC) for the other (Cable)?
I can hear the questions now at the sales table... "Mr ISP, so you use 
Comcast transit, hmmm... then how come I'm considering your third party 
service, when Comcast send me a flyer last week for half the price to go 
direct?"  I can hear the MTU Landlord negotiations now... "My tenants are 
demanding Comcast, and won't sign the lease till the get it, because they 
say that it is the best. Should we continue partnering with you, or let 
Comcast in? What... you said you use Comcast as your primary transit 
provider also? Mmmm, maybe the tenant is right?"  I can hear the FCC 
meetings now "Ohh so the Open access strategies are working well to 
serve WISP's needs. Guess we should give Comcast what they want, Duopoly is 
A-Ok." .

I think its great that Comcast is opening up and offering wholesale 
services. However, it could be a risky proposition long term for the 
independent Industry.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 8:16 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast Bandwidth


> Comcast made a splash last year in the wholesale world. First, they placed
> the biggest order of Cisco CRS-1s. Then they interconnected every city
> they are in with OC256 links over their own fiber. Then they started
> peering and worked a deal with Equnix direct to sell wholesale transit.
> They only sell full commit GigE and 10GigE ports, but the price is right
> and the performance is awesome. This is what happens when a company builds
> a modern network without legacy concerns AND has a lot of money.
>
> BTW, you might have missed that Comcast is actually a pretty major content
> company. They own E!, Style, Golf Channel, G4, various sports channels,
> the 76ers, the flyers, and several other content producers I can't think
> of. While those properties may be content in the traditional sense as
> opposed to the web sense; Comcast is a big enough deal to leverage this
> situation as they enter new markets such as wholesale internet.
>
> -Matt
>
>> Well, Comcast typically does not provide their own transit, they buy
>> transit
>> from others. There are reasons for that, for example because they may buy
>> effectively since they do mostly download and provide little content, or
>> to
>> stay focused on their core competency which is not transit. That does not
>> mean they couldn't or don't have a model to sell transport. For example,
>> Cox
>> sells wholesale transport bandwidth. But there is little motive for them
>> to
>> give you a good price, when you are in competition to them. I'd argue
>> anywhere you'd want to pick up a connection from them, where they'd sell
>> it
>> to you, you'd probably have options from other companies for a better
>> price.
>> But not my place to speak for them.
>>
>> Tom DeReggi
>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "grant" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 9:46 AM
>> Subject: [WISPA] Comcast Bandwidth
>>
>>
>>> Does anyone have any contacts/experience for buying wholesale bandwidth
>>> from
>>> Comcast?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Grant
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Comcast Bandwidth

[mliotta]

> Matt
>
> Do you have any idea on Their pricing? Do they peer in south Fl?
>
I am aware of their pricing, but like always there several variables
involved. They are at all the major carrier hotels including NOTA in
Miami.

Of course if you are looking for bandwidth at NOTA we can help you out.
Comcast transit is probably not appropriate unless you have gigs of
bandwidth needs.

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Re: [WISPA] Comcast Bandwidth

[Gino Villarini]

Matt

Do you have any idea on Their pricing? Do they peer in south Fl?

Sent from my Motorola Startac...


On Apr 14, 2009, at 8:17 AM, "mlio...@r337.com"   
wrote:

> Comcast made a splash last year in the wholesale world. First, they  
> placed
> the biggest order of Cisco CRS-1s. Then they interconnected every city
> they are in with OC256 links over their own fiber. Then they started
> peering and worked a deal with Equnix direct to sell wholesale  
> transit.
> They only sell full commit GigE and 10GigE ports, but the price is  
> right
> and the performance is awesome. This is what happens when a company  
> builds
> a modern network without legacy concerns AND has a lot of money.
>
> BTW, you might have missed that Comcast is actually a pretty major  
> content
> company. They own E!, Style, Golf Channel, G4, various sports  
> channels,
> the 76ers, the flyers, and several other content producers I can't  
> think
> of. While those properties may be content in the traditional sense as
> opposed to the web sense; Comcast is a big enough deal to leverage  
> this
> situation as they enter new markets such as wholesale internet.
>
> -Matt
>
>> Well, Comcast typically does not provide their own transit, they buy
>> transit
>> from others. There are reasons for that, for example because they  
>> may buy
>> effectively since they do mostly download and provide little  
>> content, or
>> to
>> stay focused on their core competency which is not transit. That  
>> does not
>> mean they couldn't or don't have a model to sell transport. For  
>> example,
>> Cox
>> sells wholesale transport bandwidth. But there is little motive for  
>> them
>> to
>> give you a good price, when you are in competition to them. I'd argue
>> anywhere you'd want to pick up a connection from them, where they'd  
>> sell
>> it
>> to you, you'd probably have options from other companies for a better
>> price.
>> But not my place to speak for them.
>>
>> Tom DeReggi
>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "grant" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 9:46 AM
>> Subject: [WISPA] Comcast Bandwidth
>>
>>
>>> Does anyone have any contacts/experience for buying wholesale  
>>> bandwidth
>>> from
>>> Comcast?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Grant
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Comcast Bandwidth

[mliotta]

Comcast made a splash last year in the wholesale world. First, they placed
the biggest order of Cisco CRS-1s. Then they interconnected every city
they are in with OC256 links over their own fiber. Then they started
peering and worked a deal with Equnix direct to sell wholesale transit.
They only sell full commit GigE and 10GigE ports, but the price is right
and the performance is awesome. This is what happens when a company builds
a modern network without legacy concerns AND has a lot of money.

BTW, you might have missed that Comcast is actually a pretty major content
company. They own E!, Style, Golf Channel, G4, various sports channels,
the 76ers, the flyers, and several other content producers I can't think
of. While those properties may be content in the traditional sense as
opposed to the web sense; Comcast is a big enough deal to leverage this
situation as they enter new markets such as wholesale internet.

-Matt

> Well, Comcast typically does not provide their own transit, they buy
> transit
> from others. There are reasons for that, for example because they may buy
> effectively since they do mostly download and provide little content, or
> to
> stay focused on their core competency which is not transit. That does not
> mean they couldn't or don't have a model to sell transport. For example,
> Cox
> sells wholesale transport bandwidth. But there is little motive for them
> to
> give you a good price, when you are in competition to them. I'd argue
> anywhere you'd want to pick up a connection from them, where they'd sell
> it
> to you, you'd probably have options from other companies for a better
> price.
> But not my place to speak for them.
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> ----- Original Message -
> From: "grant" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 9:46 AM
> Subject: [WISPA] Comcast Bandwidth
>
>
>> Does anyone have any contacts/experience for buying wholesale bandwidth
>> from
>> Comcast?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Grant
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Comcast Bandwidth

[Mike Hammett]

The guy I know of is buying in carrier hotels, but I have received quotes at 
my door.


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--
From: "Tom DeReggi" 
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 7:05 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast Bandwidth

> I guess some clarification is probably needed on the definition of 
> Wholesale
> and Bandwidth.
>
> For example, is Comcast willing to route your IPs and do BGP and such, 
> just
> like any other upstream transit provider?
> Or are they just willing to sell you a high capacity discount Comcast
> service?
> Are you looking to get Comcast to the end user's premise, or trying to get 
> a
> fat pipe in a Colo or something?
>
> Tom DeReggi
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>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Mike Hammett" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 10:58 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast Bandwidth
>
>
>>I know someone buying 80 Gigs of Comcast bandwidth, so if Martha's lead
>> doesn't work, let me know.
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> From: "grant" 
>> Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 8:46 AM
>> To: 
>> Subject: [WISPA] Comcast Bandwidth
>>
>>> Does anyone have any contacts/experience for buying wholesale bandwidth
>>> from
>>> Comcast?
>>>
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>>>
>>> Grant
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Comcast Bandwidth

[Tom DeReggi]

I guess some clarification is probably needed on the definition of Wholesale 
and Bandwidth.

For example, is Comcast willing to route your IPs and do BGP and such, just 
like any other upstream transit provider?
Or are they just willing to sell you a high capacity discount Comcast 
service?
Are you looking to get Comcast to the end user's premise, or trying to get a 
fat pipe in a Colo or something?

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Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast Bandwidth


>I know someone buying 80 Gigs of Comcast bandwidth, so if Martha's lead
> doesn't work, let me know.
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
> --
> From: "grant" 
> Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 8:46 AM
> To: 
> Subject: [WISPA] Comcast Bandwidth
>
>> Does anyone have any contacts/experience for buying wholesale bandwidth
>> from
>> Comcast?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Grant
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Comcast Bandwidth

[Tom DeReggi]

Well, Comcast typically does not provide their own transit, they buy transit 
from others. There are reasons for that, for example because they may buy 
effectively since they do mostly download and provide little content, or to 
stay focused on their core competency which is not transit. That does not 
mean they couldn't or don't have a model to sell transport. For example, Cox 
sells wholesale transport bandwidth. But there is little motive for them to 
give you a good price, when you are in competition to them. I'd argue 
anywhere you'd want to pick up a connection from them, where they'd sell it 
to you, you'd probably have options from other companies for a better price. 
But not my place to speak for them.

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IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
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To: 
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 9:46 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Comcast Bandwidth


> Does anyone have any contacts/experience for buying wholesale bandwidth 
> from
> Comcast?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Grant
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Re: [WISPA] Comcast Bandwidth

[Mike Hammett]

I know someone buying 80 Gigs of Comcast bandwidth, so if Martha's lead 
doesn't work, let me know.


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> Does anyone have any contacts/experience for buying wholesale bandwidth 
> from
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> Thanks,
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Re: [WISPA] Comcast Bandwidth

[Martha Huizenga]

We have an MTU that we buy bandwidth from Comcast for. We were buying 
from Covad, but Verizon is running out of lines at that location and 
they kept disconnecting us. So we went with Comcast.

You can contact their MTU/MDU division. Call the business number and ask 
to be transfered there. I can give you my sales guys name. Probably 
different person in your area, but might help get you the right person.

Contact me off list.

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[WISPA] Comcast Bandwidth

[grant]

Does anyone have any contacts/experience for buying wholesale bandwidth from 
Comcast?

Thanks,

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[WISPA] Comcast appeals FCC Web traffic-blocking decision

[Jeff Broadwick]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080904/ap_on_bi_ge/internet_regulation_4



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Re: [WISPA] Comcast Makes Bit-Caps Official

[Tom DeReggi]

Yes, so what does this translate to.

It says Comcast Customers won't cancel their Comcast Cable TV service to 
instead use Third Party Internet based Video services over their Comcast 
Broadband.
It says Comcast's Bit Cap won't put them at a disadvantage in consumer's 
minds, comparing Comcast to Third Party Wireless Providers, as they'll still 
allow more GBs than most Wireless networks are capable of offering to teh 
subscriber today.
It says Google TV, MS TV, FIOS TV, and EtcTV, will not steal Comcast 
Cable TV revenue at the expense of Comcast Broadband.

It says...  This move was NOT necessarilly to protect it's broadband 
business, it was to protect its Cable TV Video business.  You know, the 
revenue stream that subsidizes their Broadband business.

Smart move on Comcast's part.

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> Yup, they say their average is even less than that:
>
> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aVzedYON0tJ4
>
> "The monthly data usage threshold will have absolutely no impact on 99
> percent of our customers because their usage is well below'' 250 
> gigabytes,
> Khoury said. Residential customers' median consumption is two to three
> gigabytes monthly, she said."
>
> -Original Message-
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> 250GB cap? My customers rarely hit 30GB per month.
>
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> http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080828/comcast_internet_cap.html?.v=2
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Re: [WISPA] Comcast Makes Bit-Caps Official

[Jeff Broadwick]

Yup, they say their average is even less than that:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aVzedYON0tJ4

"The monthly data usage threshold will have absolutely no impact on 99
percent of our customers because their usage is well below'' 250 gigabytes,
Khoury said. Residential customers' median consumption is two to three
gigabytes monthly, she said."  

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250GB cap? My customers rarely hit 30GB per month.

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Re: [WISPA] Comcast Makes Bit-Caps Official

[Kurt Fankhauser]

250GB cap? My customers rarely hit 30GB per month.

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[WISPA] Comcast Makes Bit-Caps Official

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http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080828/comcast_internet_cap.html?.v=2

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Re: [WISPA] Comcast

[Tom DeReggi]

>Google is investing $500B

That must be a typo?

> Google owns the search.

Will that end up being a NetNeutrality issue?

Wasn't clearwire's forecasted need like 8 Billion by 2009, to stay alive?

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> It is quite public. Comcast is part of a group that invested in the new
> joint Clearwire/Sprint entity. Comcast invested $1.05B. Intel invested
> $1B. Time Warner invested $100M. Google is investing $500B. A few other
> are also in the picture in much smaller doses.
>
> Sprint holds 51% ownership. Clearwire 27%. Clearwire will operate the
> WiMAX network under its brand name. They'll use Sprint real estate and
> other elements. Comcast and the cable ops will do the marketing. Google
> owns the search.
>
> It was very big news and assures that WiMAX will be in the U.S. in a
> big, big way and ahead of LTE by a few years. The move also kick starts
> other WiMAX plans that have been on hold in Canada and will influence
> developments elsewhere.
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> Patrick Leary
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> Just, FYI.
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> Mike Hammett wrote:
>> http://techdirt.com/articles/20080506/1750001049.shtml
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Re: [WISPA] Comcast

[Jack Unger]

To set the record straight - No, Google has to get their money the 
old-fashioned way - by earning it.

Only the Federal Reserve has a license to print money. Unfortunately, 
they only give it away to Wall Street banks and New York stock brokerage 
firms...  :-(



Mike Hammett wrote:
> hah, are you sure they aren't putting in $500B?  Doesn't Google have a 
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>> Typo, Google is investing $500M.
>>
>> On Fri, 9 May 2008, Patrick Leary wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> It is quite public. Comcast is part of a group that invested in the new
>>> joint Clearwire/Sprint entity. Comcast invested $1.05B. Intel invested
>>> $1B. Time Warner invested $100M. Google is investing $500B. A few other
>>> are also in the picture in much smaller doses.
>>>
>>> Sprint holds 51% ownership. Clearwire 27%. Clearwire will operate the
>>> WiMAX network under its brand name. They'll use Sprint real estate and
>>> other elements. Comcast and the cable ops will do the marketing. Google
>>> owns the search.
>>>
>>> It was very big news and assures that WiMAX will be in the U.S. in a
>>> big, big way and ahead of LTE by a few years. The move also kick starts
>>> other WiMAX plans that have been on hold in Canada and will influence
>>> developments elsewhere.
>>>
>>> Patrick Leary
>>> AVP, Market Development
>>> Alvarion, Inc.
>>> o: 650.314.2628
>>> c: 760.580.0080
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>>> Behalf Of Anthony R. Mattke
>>> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 11:41 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast
>>>
>>> I also heard through sources that Comcast is working on WiMax with a
>>> partner. Only got vague details, and I'm not sure if they've said
>>> anything publicly about it.
>>>
>>> Just, FYI.
>>>
>>> -Tony
>>>
>>> Mike Hammett wrote:
>>>   
>>>> http://techdirt.com/articles/20080506/1750001049.shtml
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Re: [WISPA] Comcast

[Mike Hammett]

hah, are you sure they aren't putting in $500B?  Doesn't Google have a 
license to print money?


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>
> Typo, Google is investing $500M.
>
> On Fri, 9 May 2008, Patrick Leary wrote:
>
>> It is quite public. Comcast is part of a group that invested in the new
>> joint Clearwire/Sprint entity. Comcast invested $1.05B. Intel invested
>> $1B. Time Warner invested $100M. Google is investing $500B. A few other
>> are also in the picture in much smaller doses.
>>
>> Sprint holds 51% ownership. Clearwire 27%. Clearwire will operate the
>> WiMAX network under its brand name. They'll use Sprint real estate and
>> other elements. Comcast and the cable ops will do the marketing. Google
>> owns the search.
>>
>> It was very big news and assures that WiMAX will be in the U.S. in a
>> big, big way and ahead of LTE by a few years. The move also kick starts
>> other WiMAX plans that have been on hold in Canada and will influence
>> developments elsewhere.
>>
>> Patrick Leary
>> AVP, Market Development
>> Alvarion, Inc.
>> o: 650.314.2628
>> c: 760.580.0080
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>> Behalf Of Anthony R. Mattke
>> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 11:41 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast
>>
>> I also heard through sources that Comcast is working on WiMax with a
>> partner. Only got vague details, and I'm not sure if they've said
>> anything publicly about it.
>>
>> Just, FYI.
>>
>> -Tony
>>
>> Mike Hammett wrote:
>>> http://techdirt.com/articles/20080506/1750001049.shtml
>>>
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