Shut it Rob. This situation is self-correcting. ;-)
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From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 12 January 2008 08:31
To: Thomas D. Cox, Jr.; 313@hyperreal.org
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Get a room you ninnies
Rob Taylor
VT
This is way too complex to talk about on 313 though.
I can well understand where you're coming from in saying this David,
given the behaviour of a special few people around here, but I don't
agree that anything's out of bounds for discussion because it's too
complex. I think we're all well
I liked this place better when Brogan and Uberbalisubramanian used to
duke it out.
On Jan 11, 2008 8:45 PM, JT Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
there's no sense arguing nonsensical points, we got suckered
On Jan 11, 2008 8:34 PM, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jan 11,
Get a room you ninnies
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From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 12 January 2008 01:34
To: 313@hyperreal.org
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On Jan 11, 2008
instruments and musicians.
(this is obviously just my opinion so i'm not trying to push
it as fact)
my 2 eurocent
fab
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I'll give it a whirl Rob :)
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From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 11 January 2008 12:47
To: Odeluga, Ken; kent williams; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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How about a filter where you see
please help me dispel my pre-conceived notions by
suggesting some techno-classical cross-over stuff that
you find good and not gimmicky. in other words, please
school me.
ffs, i have no idea, i don't even know of anything besides
the jeff mills thing and the c2 thing and i haven't
michael said) will listen without prejudice
have a nice weekend, i'm flying off to frankfurt for party.
ciao
f.
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yeah of course, and at that time particular time, I feel that it was very much
Old World vs New World.
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From: JT Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 11 January 2008 15:44
To: robin
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essentially i
On 11 Jan 2008, at 15:06, JT Stewart wrote:
adorno and horkheimer published most of their stuff in the 40's.
Got ya...
m
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On 11 Jan 2008, at 15:06, JT Stewart wrote:
adorno and horkheimer published most of their stuff in
the 40's.
Got ya...
m
essentially i agree, although i don't think it had anything to do with
technology in particular, but the modernization of culture and
communication..which was partially the result of technology, but also
just the direction of popular taste and social/cultural identity
etc...
i spent wayyy too
adorno and horkheimer published most of their stuff in the 40's.
On Jan 11, 2008 9:19 AM, Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
3. he's mirroring the cultural elitism of widely discredited
and criticized prejudiced white guys from the 40's.
I don't understand this reference, 40s,
but a lot of it seems to be the writings of a man desparately
trying to cling onto something that was fast disappearing whilst
technology washed over him like a huge wave.
That sounds familiar for some reason :)
robin...
be more pro-active Kent! :)
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From: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 11 January 2008 00:19
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Well the archives are in kind of a parlous state. I set up archiving
i don't see it as cross-pollination, but rather classical
dudes playing contemporary music, possibly to get in touch
with the younger masses, to show that you can be hip even
for a classical dude, or something along those lines...
i can understand that cynicism, but give the music a chance..i
i don't.
all i know about adorno is that i studied his text books in
highschool history of art class
i guess wikipedia is my friend though
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sorry JT, i didn't mean it as an insult...
i realize that, but you definitely did not understand what i said or
something...
please help me dispel my pre-conceived notions by suggesting
some techno-classical cross-over stuff that you find good
and not gimmicky. in other words, please school
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Adorno believed the culture industry
: (313) C2 at Carnegie Hall, well sort of
sorry, i was a media production major and had to study him extensively...
his views on music are considered a bit fascist (although he himself
ran from the nazi's), he had an absolute hatred for anything that was
not high-culture, which of course included
3. he's mirroring the cultural elitism of widely discredited
and criticized prejudiced white guys from the 40's.
I don't understand this reference, 40s, prejudice isn't exclusive, is
it? Care to explain?
m
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seems you agree with /0 then.
wtf? he's saying techno music is far
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i was referring to a techno-classical crossover, and not
cross-pollination in general. and that would
On Jan 11, 2008, at 11:04 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I can't think of specific examples at the moment but I know there are
classical pieces that have been interpreted by electronic/techno
artists
using the tools of their trade.
William Orbit did that and failed miserably.
--
matt
well, screw it then ;-)
MEK
Matt Kane's Brain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 01/11/2008
10:10:53 AM:
On Jan 11, 2008, at 11:04 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I can't think of specific examples at the moment but I know there are
classical pieces that have been interpreted by electronic/techno
it was the first time that it could be done.
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Most of the discussion
To: kent williams; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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It's just a waste of time for the rest of us as some people in this
thread are actually writing about music.
Maybe I could set up some sort of filter, but I'm reluctant as more than
just
i was referring to a techno-classical crossover, and not
cross-pollination in general. and that would have been quite
foolish since techno is not a pure genre in anycase.
eh? if you recognize cross-pollination is good, then why not a
techno-classical crossover?
i'm sorry but i dont get the
For me the tracks I liked the most are
Imagine
See The Light
Sonic Destroyer
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From: Michael Pujos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 11 January 2008 20:38
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
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Toby Frith a écrit :
I enjoyed
I think this is a bit unfair. Adorno's thinking is far too complex to
be merely discredited. I disagree with many of Adorno's positions
(his take on jazz verges on racism), but I still have to say the guy
was a complete genius, so that even when he was wrong, he could at the
same time be
seems you agree with /0 then.
wtf? he's saying techno music is far too simple to interest classical
musicians, i just pointed out that 1. a modern day mozart provides
proof otherwise and 2. techno is more rhythmically complex than
classical 3. he's mirroring the cultural elitism of widely
Switched on Bach is the obvious example here.
Ceephax has done some classical lines (Beethoven or Mozart can't remember)
plugged into the 303. Kind of interesting from the sheer novelty of actually
programming detailed notation into the sequencer as opposed to the more or less
random approach a
Toby Frith a écrit :
I enjoyed the Blue Potential. It carried an air of ridiculousness that accompanies
anything highbrow Mills does - the idea of an orchestra playing some of his harder
records was faintly surreal, and there is something a bit daft in the idea that classical
musicians
Wow! I didn't know my little post about a Classical
pianist interpreting one of C2's Landcruising tracks
at Carnegie Hall would cause a tempest in a teapot ;)
As for Techno music transposed for Classical, what
about the Aphex/Glass version of Icct Hedral? I thought
that worked rather well
at Carnegie Hall, well sort of
Wow! I didn't know my little post about a Classical
pianist interpreting one of C2's Landcruising tracks
at Carnegie Hall would cause a tempest in a teapot ;)
As for Techno music transposed for Classical, what
about the Aphex/Glass version of Icct Hedral? I thought
On Jan 11, 2008 5:30 PM, /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
aphex twin doesnt count, his music is worthy of orchestra reworks.
you cant stop saying stupid things. you just cant help yourself.
tom
good one Tom, I hope you win
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On Jan 11, 2008 5:30 PM, /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
aphex twin doesnt
On Jan 11, 2008 6:58 PM, /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
good one Tom, I hope you win
it would be one more win than you've had in your entire life.
tommm
there's no sense arguing nonsensical points, we got suckered
On Jan 11, 2008 8:34 PM, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jan 11, 2008 6:58 PM, /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
good one Tom, I hope you win
it would be one more win than you've had in your entire life.
: (313) C2 at Carnegie Hall, well sort of
What about the Blue Potential with Mills?
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From: /0 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 10 January 2008 00:30
To: 313@hyperreal.org
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classical musicians covering techno music
techno music is an
insult to the art of music.
if you disagree, you're wrong.
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Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 5:09 PM
Subject: (313) C2 at Carnegie Hall, well sort of
Attention Classical fans in NYC
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not exactly a twist was it? :P
i think c2 translated to orchestra would be tremendous. the string
arrangements would translate easily, and imagining the simple
basslines and rhythmic melodic bits played by viola and french horn
.
if you disagree, you're wrong.
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From: Greg Earle [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 5:09 PM
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Attention Classical fans in NYC (that means you
Derek):
Bach, Berio, ... Carl
Toby Frith wrote:
there is something a bit daft in the idea that classical musicians interpreting techno
music sort of validates it which I often feel is the hidden agenda behind
these sorts of exercises, because ultimately classical music and orchestras are seen as
the high end of the
1. /0 as per usual, was trolling. Acquiring the Urine, as it were.
2. The Alarms WIll Sound CD had some awesome moments. It transmuted
the patience Richard James put into hours and hours of step
programming into real-time instrumental virtuosity. It isn't better
or worse than the original, it's
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1. /0 as per usual, was trolling. Acquiring the Urine, as it were.
2. The Alarms WIll Sound CD had some awesome moments
On Jan 10, 2008 6:17 PM, /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
of course I was trolling, but the meat of my troll was heartfelt, in that I
think its an insult to even ask a classical musician to cover something as
simplistic as 4/4 16-step quantized techno.
your existance is an insult to humanity.
tom
.
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On Jan 10, 2008 6:17 PM, /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
of course I was trolling, but the meat of my troll
On Jan 10, 2008 6:30 PM, /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
what do you know of humanity?
when you and I interact, I'm often reminded of a quote by albert einstein
(google him if you don't know who he is, Tom)
The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits
I know which
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YO_5mp4Ghmgfeature=related
it's 2008 now right? prize the first one who can find in the archives when
this playpen fight started
MEK
Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 01/10/2008 05:32:35
PM:
/0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 01/10/2008 05:30:48 PM:
Well the archives are in kind of a parlous state. I set up archiving
to mail-archive.com, but they didn't end up pulling in the archives
before sometime mid-2006, so if you want to search prior to that, you
have to go to the raw mbox files on hyperreal.org
I'd normally be concerned about ad
that or elist.resynthesize
was just on there today.
m.
On Thu, January 10, 2008 6:19 pm, kent williams wrote:
Well the archives are in kind of a parlous state. I set up archiving
to mail-archive.com, but they didn't end up pulling in the archives
before sometime mid-2006, so if you want to
It seems that resynthesize is back up anyway.
http://pics.livejournal.com/oh_chris/pic/0002c564
On Jan 10, 2008, at 7:19 PM, kent williams wrote:
Well the archives are in kind of a parlous state. I set up archiving
to mail-archive.com, but they didn't end up pulling in the archives
before
: (313) C2 at Carnegie Hall, well sort of
of course I was trolling, but the meat of my troll was heartfelt, in that I
think its an insult to even ask a classical musician to cover something as
simplistic as 4/4 16-step quantized techno. I produced electronic music for
almost 15 years, so I have
the heartfelt rationale is utter dinosaur bs, pretty much exactly
mirroring the elitist anti-pop music pseudo-intellectual music
criticism of adorno and horkheimer during the 1940's.
anybody heard of jay greenberg? he's a child prodigy who entered
Juilliard at age 11, and if you haven't heard of
Attention Classical fans in NYC (that means you Derek):
Bach, Berio, ... Carl Craig?!?
CARL CRAIGTechnology (adapted by Francesco Tristano Schlimé)
http://www.carnegiehall.org/article/box_office/events/evt_10028.html?
selecteddate=02012008
- Greg
classical musicians covering techno music is an insult to the art of music.
if you disagree, you're wrong.
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What about the Blue Potential with Mills?
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From: /0 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 10 January 2008 00:30
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classical musicians covering techno music is an insult to the art of music.
if you
?
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From: /0 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 10 January 2008 00:30
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classical musicians covering techno music is an insult to the art of music.
if you disagree, you're wrong.
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Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 5:09 PM
Subject: (313) C2 at Carnegie Hall, well sort of
Attention Classical fans in NYC (that means you Derek):
Bach, Berio, ... Carl Craig?!?
CARL CRAIG Technology (adapted by Francesco Tristano Schlimé)
http://www.carnegiehall.org/article
Hall, well sort of
What about the Blue Potential with Mills?
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From: /0 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 10 January 2008 00:30
To: 313@hyperreal.org
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classical musicians covering techno music is an insult to the art
On Jan 9, 2008 9:55 PM, /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I bet the people in the orchestra dont admit to that one while out with
their musician friends
I wouldnt
and you are, of course, the arbiter of taste in the classical world.
tom
orchestral musicians have to eat too
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Seeing UR (Mike Banks, Gerald Mitchell, Santiago Salazar) in Seattle
On Jan 9, 2008 10:05 PM, /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
orchestral musicians have to eat too
there's no possibility that someone so highbrow could possibly like
something so lowbrow as techno music.
tom
steve reich =/= techno
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i guess steve reich and philip glass are a similar insult
exactly, monkey boy
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On Jan 9, 2008 10:05 PM, /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
orchestral musicians have
swallow the hook, Tom. Worms be damned.
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On Jan 9, 2008 9:55 PM, /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I bet
, January 09, 2008 8:16 PM
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i guess steve reich and philip glass are a similar insult?
On Jan 9, 2008 7:29 PM, /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
classical musicians covering techno music is an insult to the art of
music.
if you disagree
not exactly a twist was it? :P
i think c2 translated to orchestra would be tremendous. the string
arrangements would translate easily, and imagining the simple
basslines and rhythmic melodic bits played by viola and french horn or
whatever, hot dang. i never heard jeff mills' orchestra
Aren't most classical musicians just playing covers anyhow? :P
Oh, hi... long time reader, first time poster...
;)
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