[AsburyPark] Re: Van Zandt's School Music - We're a bit late

2007-11-22 Thread 2fine4u
I agree! Why can't the method in the Charter Schools, be used in AP schools? It's Federal money, that should be used in the public school! Not knocking anyone's choice, where to send their child, but my parents PAID my tuition, no one gave them anything and it was their choice to send me to

[AsburyPark] Re: Van Zandt's School Music - We're a bit late

2007-11-22 Thread 2fine4u
What about filing an Amicus Brief? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, rook782 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also a very very good post. Tom I think that if you ever wanted to do the one thing in your life that could truly help Asbury Park, this might be the answer. I think many would

[AsburyPark] Re: Van Zandt's School Music - We're a bit late

2007-11-21 Thread justifiedright
Oak it looks like we ended up agreeing in the end. I have no problm with choices people make. Go to private school, move to a good public district, etc. I support all of it. I do have a problem with government screwing things up by injecting themselves into it, which is what wrecked APHS - not

[AsburyPark] Re: Van Zandt's School Music - We're a bit late

2007-11-21 Thread rook782
Also a very very good post. Tom I think that if you ever wanted to do the one thing in your life that could truly help Asbury Park, this might be the answer. I think many would support you in this endeavor. And kinda knowing you, you would not care what the opposition thought. How much

[AsburyPark] Re: Van Zandt's School Music - We're a bit late

2007-11-21 Thread oakdorf
-TD, we care because we've seen blow by for 40 years and have SOME common sense. We've lived it, seen it, heard it. Today after milllons and millons tossed around AP by the state and feds, its the private $ making the bigger difference. We want to see to money used wiesly, not stolen for those

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Van Zandt's School Music - We're a bit late

2007-11-21 Thread denise
@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 7:19:43 AM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Van Zandt's School Music - We're a bit late Also a very very good post. Tom I think that if you ever wanted to do the one thing in your life that could truly help Asbury Park, this might be the answer. I think many

[AsburyPark] Re: Van Zandt's School Music - We're a bit late

2007-11-21 Thread oakdorf
. My child is presently in the third grade at Hope Academy Charter and I am researching Charter and private schools at this time because when she graduates the 8th grade (5 years from now) I will not be sending her to AP public schools a,,, you and the others have made a statement. So what is

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Van Zandt's School Music - We're a bit late

2007-11-21 Thread firemer
the best possible education at the existing schools.? -Original Message- From: oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 11:11 am Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Van Zandt's School Music - We're a bit late . My child is presently in the third grade at Hope

[AsburyPark] Re: Van Zandt's School Music - We're a bit late

2007-11-21 Thread oakdorf
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Research has shown that when Black middle class parents pull their children out of the school system, it is doomed to failure.? Look at the Birmingham school system.? That is exactly what is going on there.? Black middle class parents

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Van Zandt's School Music - We're a bit late

2007-11-21 Thread MarioAPNJ
In a message dated 11/21/2007 11:31:46 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com) , [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Research has shown that when Black middle class parents pull their children out of the school system, it is

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Van Zandt's School Music - We're a bit late

2007-11-21 Thread MarioAPNJ
In a message dated 11/21/2007 10:16:28 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: we care because we've seen blow by for 40 years Wow...In my experience, right on the money with 40 years, 1967. A college student who accepted a job teaching in Asbury Park was entitled to

[AsburyPark] Re: Van Zandt's School Music - We're a bit late

2007-11-21 Thread 2fine4u
Mario and Oakdorf, I agree wholeheartedly, having gone to all Black, albeit, private school. I don't know what the core curriculum is, in the AP school system, or how it's administered. I do know that an awful lot of money is sent into the district, because of the Abbott decision, but it

[AsburyPark] Re: Van Zandt's School Music - We're a bit late

2007-11-21 Thread justifiedright
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fine4u [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mario and Oakdorf, I agree wholeheartedly, having gone to all Black, albeit, private school. Well I guess that makes it official. I can't seem to make my point sink in no matter how many times I say it. I've never

[AsburyPark] Re: Van Zandt's School Music - We're a bit late

2007-11-21 Thread oakdorf
-Tommy, We agreed, it comes to choice. If ALL residents had the means to choose, it seems a majority might not choose AP, just like the old Irish Catholic from Belmar or Avon sent their cute girls who worked at Kohr's or Critierion years ago to St. Rose or to RBC. I don't like sending my kids

[AsburyPark] Re: Van Zandt's School Music - We're a bit late

2007-11-20 Thread justifiedright
Jack we are a bit late with this idea. You might recall my biggest gripe (we all have one) is how Asbury Park High School was segregated by race back in 1996. Well, they did it with Music. Isn't that ironic? You want to use music to help Asbury, and the state used it to hurt Asbury. Asbury

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Van Zandt's School Music - We're a bit late

2007-11-20 Thread MarioAPNJ
In a message dated 11/20/2007 4:59:54 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You might recall my biggest gripe (we all have one) is how Asbury Park High School was segregated by race back in 1996. As I recall, the biggest step to virtual segregation was back in the 60's

[AsburyPark] Re: Van Zandt's School Music - We're a bit late

2007-11-20 Thread justifiedright
The opening of OTHS was certainly a big blow to Asbury, but it was self imposed. They asked for one seat on the Board of Ed because they had as many students in APHS as we did. In the worst decision ever made by AP, the Board of Ed turned OT down. So they built their own high school. I have

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Van Zandt's School Music - We're a bit late

2007-11-20 Thread MarioAPNJ
In a message dated 11/20/2007 5:41:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The decision regarding RBR had minimal impact on other school districts. Not so minimal if you worked, as I did, at one of the schools which lost students to RBR during the 1990's declining

[AsburyPark] Re: Van Zandt's School Music - We're a bit late

2007-11-20 Thread justifiedright
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It may not have been a racial imbalance problem, but it wasn't minimal. It was extremely minimal. The effect the ruling had on other schools was the dictionary definition of what is minimal. Go look at a before and after year

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Van Zandt's School Music - We're a bit late

2007-11-20 Thread MarioAPNJ
In a message dated 11/20/2007 6:45:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It was extremely minimal. I worked at a school where it wasn't minimal to any of us. Not going to get inot some back and forth with you, because the issue is too important to subject it to that.

[AsburyPark] Re: Van Zandt's School Music - We're a bit late

2007-11-20 Thread oakdorf
Go look at a before and after year book at Monmouth Regional, and one from Asbury Park. Monouth Regional's changes don't even show. Asbury Park's changes are incredible. One whole race has been excised from the school. You can't even compare the two. Dan, how about analyzing the

[AsburyPark] Re: Van Zandt's School Music - We're a bit late

2007-11-20 Thread justifiedright
Go complain to the Katrina victims that your basement once flooded after it rained. That's about what you are doing now by comparing the complete excision of the white race from APHS to a couple of late board of education meetings over parental anxiety at Monmouth Regional. It's exactly

[AsburyPark] Re: Van Zandt's School Music - We're a bit late

2007-11-20 Thread oakdorf
I meant tommy --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Go look at a before and after year book at Monmouth Regional, and one from Asbury Park. Monouth Regional's changes don't even show. Asbury Park's changes are incredible. One whole race has been excised

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Van Zandt's School Music - We're a bit late

2007-11-20 Thread MarioAPNJ
In a message dated 11/20/2007 7:16:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Go complain to the Katrina victims that your basement once flooded after it rained. That's about what you are doing now by comparing the complete excision of the white race from APHS You're

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Van Zandt's School Music - We're a bit late

2007-11-20 Thread MarioAPNJ
In a message dated 11/20/2007 7:09:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: how about analyzing the population shift in general over that period. ... AP has had the OPPORTUNITY with over 1 billion in state aid to build a superior program but failed for one reason or the

[AsburyPark] Re: Van Zandt's School Music - We're a bit late

2007-11-20 Thread justifiedright
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan, how about analyzing the population shift in general over that period. Deal can't even maintain their own k-8 school let alone send to AP. They basically have no studdent population - same for Allenhurst and last Loch

[AsburyPark] Re: Van Zandt's School Music - We're a bit late

2007-11-20 Thread oakdorf
TD, You and I can both stop, take residence in AP, and stick our kids there. but we haven't. I'd take a gamble on those beers that Deal, Allenhurst, Belmar have LESS HS age kids eligible to go to AP. Then you have determine why those parents CHOOSE to send their kids to a private school,