I have been using SB2/3 with Bryston BP25DA (preamp with built-in DAC)
for a couple of years now and find it a wonderful combination. (Feeding
a Bryston 4B-SST-Watt Puppy 7s)
I also recently purchased a Transporter as a source for a new balanced
headphone rig. Inspired by your post, I decided
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opaqueice;200119 Wrote:
I couldn't hear any difference, either between the TP and SB3 as
transports or as analogue sources, despite trying very hard - several
times I thought I did hear something, only to lose it quickly. My
friend (who's a certified second generation audionut) was also
davep;200121 Wrote:
I have Replay Gain switched off
FYI - According to Winamp's file info display, Linn did not put any
ReplayGain tags in the files on this album, if this makes a
difference...
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I'm still using SS 6.5 (not needed to upgrade yet) - does the latest SB
firmware (81?) have any issues working with 6.5 as I'd like to grab
some of the 24/88.2 tracks from Linn?
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SB 2 [Stereovox XV2] Benchmark DAC1 [NVA Soundpipe] Cyrus Pre Xvs
[NVA Soundpipe] Cyrus
adamslim;200160 Wrote:
Presumably now that we have your definitive views on this point, your
point is made and you'll not mention DBT ever again on this forum? ;)
In fact you probably have no need of the audiophile forum at all ...
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Interesting findings. That's quite different to my own experiences,
where I've found that just tweaking CD transports can make a good and
noticeable difference.
Guess we all listen in different ways.
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I am looking for a small amp, for the SB3. I don't want a tuner, CD
player or anything else. Just an amp. So far, I found these two by
looking thru the photos posted here.
- Zvex iMP amp (a bit pricey for me right now)
- Trends Audio TA-10.1 (price is fair, i can go a bit higher)
Any other
Nothing beats this :
http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/sonicimpact2/t2.html
Both the old and new model here :
http://www.thinkgeek.com/electronics/audio/6cd8/
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I have been reading through the threads re: DAC and I'm trying to answer
a couple of questions.
The digital output from the squeezbox would be used if you had your own
DAC, correct? Otherwise you would use analog output? (and Squeezebox
would do the conversion internally)?
Also, I have a Acurus
I can't have read this correctly. Are you saying you couldn't hear any
difference between the analogue outs of the SB3 and those of the
Transporter?
MC
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in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
Ok,
The digital output can be used with an external DAC or to connect the
Squeezebox to a receiver with a digital input (so you would be using
the receiver's DAC).
I looked up the L10 preamp on Google. The DA input is just a regular
input like the cd or other input, use it with any low level
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Here's the system that was used:
Preamp: Blue Circle BC3000mkII w/GZPZ power supply
Power Amp: Blue Circle BC206 hybrid stereo amp
Speakers: Focus Audio FS-888
Speaker cables: Acoustic Zen Hologram II
Interconnects: Acoustic Zen Absolute and Silver Reference II
Digital cables: Acoustic Zen
Parasound zAmp 3 is nice. A little larger than the T-Amp though...
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A line level (analog) input will usually have two RCA jacks, red and
white for left and right. [A phono input may have the same
connectors/colors, but should only have a turntable plugged in because
it goes through equalization/amplification]
A digital input will only have one RCA jack, and will
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PhilNYC;200182 Wrote:
Here's the system that was used:
Preamp: Blue Circle BC3000mkII w/GZPZ power supply
Power Amp: Blue Circle BC206 hybrid stereo amp
Speakers: Focus Audio FS-888
Speaker cables: Acoustic Zen Hologram II
Interconnects: Acoustic Zen Absolute and Silver Reference II
cliveb;200142 Wrote:
Here are a few things you didn't mention that I think might have some
bearing:
1. Were you using the Transporter's balanced or unbalanced outputs?
2. Was the input downstream of the TP/SB3 balanced or unbalanced?
3. Was there a preamp in the signal path, or were the
cliveb;200190 Wrote:
My own experince is that the difference between TP and SB2, when fed
direct to power amps, is both large and obvious. (One problem I have is
that it's virtually impossible to level match comparisons when switching
between an unbalanced SB2 and a balanced TP going
Clive,
I do happen to agree with you that preamps have the most personality
in a system...
My BC3000 is single-ended, and we used single-ended outputs from the
Transporter (and SB3, obviously!). Also, Blue Circle tubed preamps are
actually very neutral-sounding when compared to the likes of
Btw - if there's anyone else here in the NYC area who is interested in
coming over to do a listening test, give me a shout...
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Sonic Spirits Inc.
http://www.sonicspirits.com
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PhilNYC wrote:
Btw - if there's anyone else here in the NYC area who is interested in
coming over to do a listening test, give me a shout...
Unstated by PhilNYC is the usual warning: If you listen to a great
sounding system, you will probably want to upgrade your own.
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opaqueice;200191 Wrote:
That might be nice for you, huh? I'd also be very uncomfortable if I
were in your position.
Why so? You haven't heard what I do and I'm not interested in deaf
customers anyway!
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In a blind test here Transporter balanced outs were easy to discern from
it's rca outs.
From reading op's description the test at my house appears to have been
as well
constructed and went on for some time.
I was comparing a modded TP to a stock.
Then I compared the modded TP's rca to it's
Another thought...below is a picture of my setup (prior to getting a
Transporter, but basically you get the idea...equipment racks sit
between the speakers). During our listening test, there was someone
sitting in front of the left rack managing the input switching. It's a
possibility that
First a confession - I'm an audiophile, but I'm computer challenged. I
have never 'ripped' a CD, nor have I ever downloaded music. I can,
however, mount a cartridge on a tonearm (so you know where I'm coming
from).
I'm planning on introducing a squeezebox into my system (wireless) and
using
opaqueice;200191 Wrote:
That might be nice for you, huh? I'd also be very uncomfortable if I
were in your position.
Odd call. I just got one of Patrick's SB+s and it sounds amazing. If
the TP sounds the same as the SB I'd be very comfortable indeed in his
position!!
Adam
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should I use something else?
FLAC, http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.cgi?BeginnersGuideToFileFormats
Is a standard G router ok
Known good routers http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.cgi?RouterStatus,
but I manage OK with steam powered 802.11b router!
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amcluesent
PhilNYC;200207 Wrote:
It's a possibility that having a person/body at that location was
affecting the acoustics which impacted things like imaging,
soundstaging, etc.
That's possible, and no matter how well you design the test there are
always going to be factors like that people will point
And there's this baby:
http://www.trendsaudio.com/EN/Product/TA-10_desc.htm
It recently got a glowing review in GoodSound.
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jbc;200215 Wrote:
First a confession - I'm an audiophile, but I'm computer challenged. I
have never 'ripped' a CD, nor have I ever downloaded music. I can,
however, mount a cartridge on a tonearm (so you know where I'm coming
from).
I'm planning on introducing a squeezebox into my
opaqueice;200220 Wrote:
That's possible, and no matter how well you design the test there are
always going to be factors like that people will point to. We didn't
do this carefully at all, because (at least for my part) I just wanted
to know how significant the difference was.
It sounds
opaqueice;200220 Wrote:
Cliveb and Tom, how would you characterize the balanced versus
single-ended difference - was it a noise floor issue like that, or was
it a significant change in the music? Did one clearly sound better?
I hate trying to use audiophile terminology, but here goes. To my
You can use the ART (Applied Research and Technology) Cleanbox that
balances rca outs and converts them to XLR. You can buy it at any
musical instrument retailer like Sweetwater, Musician's Friend, Guitar
Center, Zzounds, American Musical Supply, etc.
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Hey, thanks very much for the quick replies. I'll check out the EAC,
and might get started on the ripping. The last thing I'd ever want to
do is 're-rip' all the CD's.
On the computer end, I currently have an aging laptop, which I intend
to augment with a suitably newer and faster desktop. A
All sounds well. If you download the Slimserver software, you can run
Softsqueeze on your PC and see how it all looks.
Don't spend too much on digital cables...
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Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have
others
http://www.last.fm/user/AdamSlim/
'Last.fm
Anne;200170 Wrote:
Nothing beats this :
http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/sonicimpact2/t2.html
Both the old and new model here :
http://www.thinkgeek.com/electronics/audio/6cd8/
This looks interesting... How can I tell how it'll drive the Bose cube
speakers I have and how loud they can go?
Thanks folks. That has cleared things up in my mind. Skunk, I took your
advice and ordered a cable from bluejeans cables - seems like a good
resource. I'll return to lurk mode for a while - good info in this
forum.
Thanks again.
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tomjtx;200206 Wrote:
In a blind test here Transporter balanced outs were easy to discern from
it's rca outs.
From reading op's description the test at my house appears to have been
as well
constructed and went on for some time.
I was comparing a modded TP to a stock.
Then I
jhm731;200241 Wrote:
Who modified the TP you tested?
I will PM you
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I am using the Windows SlimServer_6.5_v2007-04-30.exe nightly build,
firmware version is 81. I downloaded from Linn Records, the 96 KHz 24
bit Thomas Tallis Te lucis ante terminum track.
I normally have the spectrum analyzer running and the analog VU meters
running as my screen saver, and with
Cheers opaqueice PhilNYC
Good test, interesting results, not what I would have thought.
Just thinking out of the box, scenario..
Could it be possible that the SB sends out all the details of the TP
but not so well, and Phil's setup somehow picks up all the tiny weeny
details..??
If Phil
Regarding the balance outputs, it uses higher voltage output, using TWO
optamps. Its the same Opamp used on single ended which uses ONE Opamp.
This is the reason some perfer balanced sound from the Transporter.
Keep in mind balance outputs and single ended componented are not
created equal.
You have my deepest respect, excellent test !
A lot of people do not hear the difference in digital outputs from SB3
and Transporter into the same dac, or an SB3 going wireless with a
lossless file and a Krell cd players digital output playing the same
cd, and still lots of people are hard
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There must be something else going on entirely.
The hi-rez downloads I did in 24/96 plays perfectly fine on my wireless
SB3.
I havent tried the Linn flac yet. Only downloaded a 24/48 Brahms, and
it plays fine too.
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We're moving to a house soon, and thus considering getting an induction
cooktop. Kitchen is not far away from to-be-listening room. To my
knowledge induction burners generate pretty strong magnetic field,
anyone knows how noisy are they for audio equipment?
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simaudio nova cdp
Anne;200278 Wrote:
Edit : just checked, the Berlioz 24/96 shows up as a dbpoweramp tag (its
a vlc file) with 24/30,5 KHz, but in the display of SB3 it says 96
KHz.
Anyway, the SB3 only accepts 48KHz right ? Got confused
I got that 30.5 with DBPA on 24/96, but it's just wrong.
The
Anthony,
thanks for that clarification, that certainly would seem to be a
reasonable explanation for the difference.
Tom
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Have firmware 80
Well, the price is stiff.
Well, I dont particularly look for sacd since I cant transfer the sound
to the computer, but the normal cd layer is ok also.
Linn is just exploiting the new bandwagon, they can set the price
high.
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Bryston B-100 SST, Squeezebox 3,
I have found that streaming 48KHz/24bit to my SB3 works fine, but
96KHz/24bit has a problem.
When it worked for you, were you running a similar scenario, with the
large analog VU meters as your screen saver? I found that this ruined
the stream, and it appeared the SB3 simply could not handle
A quick live search on the topic:
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5951904.html
hope this helps... :)
However, kitchenware has been known to cause trouble of some sorts. My
wireless network bandwidth seems to disappear when the microwave is on.
[EMAIL PROTECTED], no popcorn while playing a
Anne - thanks for the reply. A bit OT, I know its all down to personal
choice/taste, have you demoed a Chord Signature Digi Coax?
I look forward to hearing you thoughts once your dac module arrives, I
seem get the feeling you will be somewhat impressed :)
muski - Cheers for doing the overdue
In Germany 01. June 2007
for Transporter from 1895 EUR to 2500 EUR
for SB3 from 300 EUR to 399 EUR
Greetings Conrad
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I have a SB3 currently going through a Sony all in one DAV800, and I
have decided I want to upgrade to a more HiFi set up as I hardly ever
watch DVD's and the 5.1 is wasted on me, and I would rather have a
better set up for music.
My choices are limited by budget and I really don't want to spend
matthijskoopmans;200295 Wrote:
A quick live search on the topic:
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5951904.html
hope this helps... :)
However, kitchenware has been known to cause trouble of some sorts. My
wireless network bandwidth seems to disappear when the microwave is on.
[EMAIL
Prices on the Slim Devices website haven't changed.
Something may happen June 1st though. Note the white SB3s are being
cleared out with the sale ending May 28th. Probably a new device will
be introduced, but with Logitech's
influence/marketing/manufacturing/buying power it will almost surely
connorml wrote:
In Germany 01. June 2007
for Transporter from 1895 EUR to 2500 EUR
for SB3 from 300 EUR to 399 EUR
Any idea if this is a price change from SD? or just
a reflection of how weak the US $ is against world currencies?
I know that the US$ is not doing will on the futures exchanges.
325xi;200277 Wrote:
We're moving to a house soon, and thus considering getting an induction
cooktop. Kitchen is not far away from to-be-listening room. To my
knowledge induction burners generate pretty strong magnetic field,
anyone knows how noisy are they for audio equipment?
Shouldn't be
Or more likely it is a result of a weak dollar.
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opaqueice;200192 Wrote:
It's impossible to do these comparisons reliably without level matching.
We experienced that yesterday when we tried to compare the Dodson to
the SB3 analogue out. However as far as anyone could tell the
unbalanced analogue outs of the SB3 and the TP were identical
cliveb;200226 Wrote:
I hate trying to use audiophile terminology, but here goes. To my
ears, the difference is that balanced operation somehow makes things
sound more solid, meatier, more organic. The timbres of instruments
have greater texture. For reasons I can't fathom, bass seems better
A weak dollar should lower prices in europe, not raise them.
The price increase makes no sense with the dollar so weak.
a 500.00 eur increase is $680.75 at todays bankrate.
Guess it's time to take some TPs to Germany with me this summer:-)
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Mark Lanctot;200307 Wrote:
Prices on the Slim Devices website haven't changed.
Something may happen June 1st though. Note the white SB3s are being
cleared out with the sale ending May 28th. Probably a new device will
be introduced, but with Logitech's
tomjtx;200321 Wrote:
A weak dollar should lower prices in europe, not raise them.
The price increase makes no sense with the dollar so weak.
a 500.00 eur increase is $680.75 at todays bankrate.
Guess it's time to take some TPs to Germany with me this summer:-)
Exactly, my amp is twice
Unfortunately I havent heard the Chord, I have little experience with
dacs actually.
I just ordered the Bryston Add-On because I wish to keep my system
very minimalistic now, I have little space for a lot of boxes.
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jbc;200215 Wrote:
First a confession - I'm an audiophile, but I'm computer challenged. I
have never 'ripped' a CD, nor have I ever downloaded music. I can,
however, mount a cartridge on a tonearm (so you know where I'm coming
from).
I'll come over and set up '_EAC+Accurate Rip+FLAC_ '
If you are looking into NAD320BEE, then look just a little bit further
and check out NAD C-352. Little bit more expensive, but better. It is
in the same price range/class as Cambridge Audio 640A, but it looks
like it's getting slightly better reviews.
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The sound stage will open up,
I had to make exactly the same choice a year ago between the CA and the
NAD.
I would say the CA is the best of the two. I went for the CA and i very
happy with it. For the money, it sounds incredible. But i also found the
build quality slightly better with the CA and also think it more
pleasing
Ron F.;200292 Wrote:
I have found that streaming 48KHz/24bit to my SB3 works fine, but
96KHz/24bit has a problem.
When it worked for you, were you running a similar scenario, with the
large analog VU meters as your screen saver? I found that this ruined
the stream, and it appeared the SB3
adamslim;200223 Wrote:
- There's no point getting an N network as the SB3 uses G. The 54 of G
is fine - I never get any problems at all.
To expand on this a bit, the highest current bitrate you can currently
pass to any piece of Slim Devices hardware is 4608 kbps for the case of
24-bit, 96
Anne;200271 Wrote:
And, one guy sitting in front of the rack is not going to ruin
anything, come on ! Did he move out of the way when the SB3 was playing
then...
Actually, given the amount of change I hear in my system when moving
the speakers even just a couple of inches, to me, this is
Adamslim, I would be very interested to see if you have a similar result
as myself, should you select the big analog VU meters as your
screensaver.
As far as the white noise, I don't think the FW version makes any
difference. It appears the firmware does not decimate 96 kHz to 48 kHz
for a WAV
Animeka;200233 Wrote:
This looks interesting... How can I tell how it'll drive the Bose cube
speakers I have and how loud they can go? (I don't play stadium loud
but sometimes it's nice to know you can crank it a bit...)
THanks,
Marc
I would say comfortably loud. I use one in my
Animeka;200169 Wrote:
I am looking for a small amp, for the SB3. I don't want a tuner, CD
player or anything else. Just an amp. So far, I found these two by
looking thru the photos posted here.
- Zvex iMP amp (a bit pricey for me right now)
- Trends Audio TA-10.1 (price is fair, i can go
Very interesting test...
I have been listening side-by-side to a Transporter (XLR out) vs an
SB3-digital coax-Bryston BP25DA (DAC). I was listening to a variety
of FLAC files of EAC ripped CDs. Through a balanced headphone rig, the
only difference I could hear a slightly wider soundstage
EAC is considered to be the gold standard CD ripper, because it can be
set up to do bit-perfect rips, though it is generally slower than some
other rippers. It's a bit of a pain to set up, but once you have the
right settings for your drive, it works well.
Many are having success with the
Greetings from the newest Inguz fan. Inguz is the ultimate
WAF-antidote...
All of my music is in FLAC format. What is the minimal file type set
that I need (server settings-File Types). Do I need FLAC (built-in)
flac/InguzDSP or just the latter. Any other file types required?
Also, do you
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