John
I am not trying to pick holes here, but in the link I copied in my last
post you said that you couldn't hear differences between cables after
damping the transformer and now you say that you can. That seems to me
to be a change of view.
Be that as it may, do you still consider that damping
The transformer damping almost always improves things. As to still
hearing differences in power cords even with the transformers damped,
as noted earlier there are quite a few other mechanisms, if any of
those is significant there still might be audible differences.
At this point in time I can
JohnSwenson;640735 Wrote:
My take on the power cord issue is that power cords CAN make a
difference in sound, some times fairly significant changes, but it
doesn't take thousands of dollars to do it well. People selling $1000
cords may very well have a cord which sounds better than many
@JS - as I hope you know I have a lot of respect for your views, John.
However, I have conducted a lot of ADM tests on mains cables of varying
types - including Nordost - and found NO measurable or audible
difference when used on line level devices. I have not tested power amp
mains cables in
As for USB cables sounding different... galvanic isolation is essential.
It's not about the cable at all...
--
Phil Leigh
You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it
ain't what you'd call minimal...
Touch(wired/XP) - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103
JohnSwenson;640735 Wrote:
My take on the power cord issue is that power cords CAN make a
difference in sound, some times fairly significant changes, but it
doesn't take thousands of dollars to do it well. People selling $1000
cords may very well have a cord which sounds better than many
Something Off Topic.
I see that some reviewers and well regarded Hi-Fi authors from the past
these days still hear things they write about and describe fine
differences. These people must be in the end of their 50s now or even
older.
I have the feeling they fool themself often enough cause
Wombat;640919 Wrote:
Something Off Topic.
I see that some reviewers and well regarded Hi-Fi authors from the past
these days still hear things they write about and describe fine
differences. These people must be in the end of their 50s now or even
older.
I have the feeling they fool
Yes I have posted on this before, and no my views have not changed. The
power cord is part of the connection between boxes, a conduit for
picking up external noise, radiating noise and part of the electrical
resonances formed with the components and wiring in the walls etc.
All of these aspects
TiredLegs;640526 Wrote:
I'd love to see someone do a true ABX test of a $200 USB cable vs a
cheapo $5 one.
I'd be glad to do one, just send me the $200 cable! How about a Touch
driving a HRT Streamer II, this can sound very good so differences in
cables will not be swamped by other issues.
Phil Leigh;639262 Wrote:
There's NOTHING crazy about having 3,000 CD's. There's plenty crazy
about a $1,000 mains cord...
My take on the power cord issue is that power cords CAN make a
difference in sound, some times fairly significant changes, but it
doesn't take thousands of dollars to do
ralphpnj;638567 Wrote:
To those of us who live with and use computer based audio on a daily
basis the review was a sham. Mr. Atkinson's comment in post #95 that I
am a a self-proclaimed computer audio expert only highlights the poor
level of experience and understanding most of Stereophile's
TiredLegs;640526 Wrote:
I'd love to see someone do a true ABX test of a $200 USB cable vs a
cheapo $5 one.
Some of the nonsense about why one needs a $200 USB cable has to do
with the fact a USB cable carries power as well as the digital signal
so that in a cheap USB cable the power current
No I'm not late to the party at all.. I'm honestly not anywhere near as
anal as some of the people I know in the audio world. I'm usually happy
playing 320k songs. I watch some of these guys striving for perfect
synergy in every IC and power cord, and laugh.
The only reason I am even getting
There's NOTHING crazy about having 3,000 CD's. There's plenty crazy
about a $1,000 mains cord...
--
Phil Leigh
You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it
ain't what you'd call minimal...
Touch(wired/XP) - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103
- full
Phil Leigh;639262 Wrote:
There's NOTHING crazy about having 3,000 CD's. There's plenty crazy
about a $1,000 mains cord...
There may be nothing crazy about having 3,000 CDs but there is
something crazy about having 3,000 CDs in those little plastic jewel
cases:
Toy Maker;638339 Wrote:
I will also do a little testing/listening of FLAC vs. wav files vs. CDs
in the next week or so.
Again, i don't expect to be able to hear a difference. But I want to
cover all my bases before showing up unprepared, and look stupid and
have anyone tell me see we told
mswlogo;639166 Wrote:
The bitstreams will be identical. The jitter may vary between devices.
The difference will likely be inaudible. Good DACs will make the
difference in jitter non existent. It's been beaten to death years ago.
You're a little late to the party.
I don't think that the op
I didnt want to say it first...there is a nauseating and largely
misinformed elitism in the ranks of audiophilia. If they were to
spend any time at all in forums like these they could get an education!
--
earwaxer9
System: modified Winsome Labs Mouse, modified Maggie MMG's, Transporter,
HSU
Toy Maker;638339 Wrote:
I will also do a little testing/listening of FLAC vs. wav files vs. CDs
in the next week or so.
Again, i don't expect to be able to hear a difference. But I want to
cover all my bases before showing up unprepared, and look stupid and
have anyone tell me see we told
Toy Maker;638138 Wrote:
I ripped a few of my favorite CDs that I still had stashed away.
Most of the files that EAC made came out 100% bit for bit perfect.
There were however a few files that were 99.9 or 99.7 due to the CDs
being old and scratched pretty badly.
Are you actually using
I don't think i have used it yet But I will play with it this week
a little, and see how accurate my filets were. I guess I was going by
the accuracy that EAC was giving me for each track... Im not 100% sure
if it's already on in EAC or if i have to do something else to utilize
it ?
Very
I will also do a little testing/listening of FLAC vs. wav files vs. CDs
in the next week or so.
Again, i don't expect to be able to hear a difference. But I want to
cover all my bases before showing up unprepared, and look stupid and
have anyone tell me see we told you CDs were better
Toy Maker;638339 Wrote:
I will also do a little testing/listening of FLAC vs. wav files vs. CDs
in the next week or so.
Again, i don't expect to be able to hear a difference. But I want to
cover all my bases before showing up unprepared, and look stupid and
have anyone tell me see we told
garym;638342 Wrote:
FLAC files are 50% to 60% of the WAV file. So you cut the space needs in
half. Most think you should use the 5 level of compression with FLAC
(or lower). This is because there are *some* decoders that struggle
more with decoding the maximum compression (8), and there is
ralphpnj;638249 Wrote:
While I don't question the truth of your statement regarding audiophiles
and streamed vs. CD playback I do wonder how much their belief in the
superiority of CD playback is based on the brand names of the devices
being tested. In other words, would a digital audio file
adamdea;638365 Wrote:
I personally have a soft spot for John Atkinson and his measurement
sections. I fear he must be a lonely voice amongst the mystics and
dipsticks who write for Stereophile (actually I like KR and JM and one
or two others) .
Atkinson is the editor of Stereophile. The
Daverz;638390 Wrote:
Atkinson is the editor of Stereophile. The cossacks work for the Czar.
Not sure that being the editor is quite the same as being an absolute
ruler, but I get your point.
--
adamdea
adamdea's
Toy Maker;638138 Wrote:
1st I will list all equipment used.
Proceed AVP Preamp
Logitech Transporter SE
Denon 2910 DVD Player
Carver Lightstar Reference Amplifier
Carver AL-III plus Speakers
JL Fathom Subwoofer F-112
All CarverAudio cables
Exact Audio Copy (EAC)
Acer 8930 laptop to
Wow , all that work to come to a conclusion we all knew :)
--
Rodney_Gold
TP/Z-sys RDP1 digital Pre/Meridian DSP5500's Or TP/DSP5500's
Touch/Emotiva X-DA1 dac/bryston 4bst/Canton Ergo 120 dc
SB3/Meridian DSP5000's
TP/ Emotiva X-da1/Woo Audio Wa2 Headphone amp/Sehneisser Hd800's
Touch/KrK
Don't knock it Rodney. On a certain hifi forum (probably more than one)
there are many people who swear blind that CD players sound better as
a transport into a DAC than any digital streaming device (and get quite
shirty if you question this belief.)
We should celebrate any posting on an
adamdea;638174 Wrote:
Don't knock it Rodney. On a certain hifi forum (probably more than one)
there are many people who swear blind that CD players sound better as
a transport into a DAC than any digital streaming device (and get quite
shirty if you question this belief.)
We should
ralphpnj;638249 Wrote:
http://forum.stereophile.com/content/bryston-bdp-1-digital-audio-player
After you've read through that almost useless review check out the
comments posted on the Stereophile forum. On that forum my user name is
jazzfan.
Wombat;638260 Wrote:
Tough writing you did there. Next is to convince Mr. Atkinson or parts
of his team for a real DBT between this unit and the Touch. Next test
will be Hires against properly downsampled... :)
I remember him argueing in a thread on Hydrogenaudio about the evils
and audio
Oh my god what a long painful read that was over on Audiophool.
I am personal friends with Bob Carver, one of the audio designers that
spat in the face of the Audiophools, and made an $800 stock Carver
amplifier have an identical audio signature as a set of $20,000 tube
amplifiers. They gave him
1st I will list all equipment used.
Proceed AVP Preamp
Logitech Transporter
Denon 2910 DVD Player
Lightstar Reference Amplifier
AL-III plus Speakers
JL Fathom Subwoofer F-112
All CarverAudio cables
Exact Audio Copy (EAC)
Acer 8930 laptop to rip the CDs
Acer Home Server to store the files.
Toy Maker;637738 Wrote:
Ok, so ABX, is probably what we will do. Tom is the main person to try
to tell A from B... I'm sure there will be others that will want to
join in for the test.
It should be a fun test, and i expect some very positive results on
favor of the Transporter.
And
Toy Maker;637606 Wrote:
I recently learned that EAC wav files are 100% uncompressed, as perfect
to the original CD track as possible. So FLAC files are out too.
I can make FLAC files using EAC as well... We could A-B test wav vs
FLAC for a 2nd test. But we will have enough on our plate
SuperQ;637843 Wrote:
There is so much confusion around FLAC being compressed. How about we
say linear encoded. FLAC is compression like ZIP files are
compressed. If you put a word processor document into a ZIP file and
then unzip it, your document doesn't change. FLAC is the same.
The
Yes most of our equipment is Carver...
We have a few nice pieces of equipment.
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Please explain what a ABx test is??
Yes Tom will know when I am switching sources.
Hahahaha... The $300 Sennheisers... Those were the junk ones.
Toy Maker;637680 Wrote:
Please explain what a ABx test is??
Yes Tom will know when I am switching sources.
For an explanation of ABX test, see 'adamslim's post'
(http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=637567) just a few
posts above (#22). Or wikipedia's entry is decent:
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=16295
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garym
garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325
View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88364
I use the same type of table you use as a hifi stand in my upstairs
lounge for my no vent gas fire - Probably puts out less heat than those
amps :)
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Rodney_Gold;637691 Wrote:
I use the same type of table you use as a hifi stand in my upstairs
lounge for my no vent gas fire - Probably puts out less heat than those
amps :)
Some happy dogs!!
--
garym
garym's
Ok, so ABX, is probably what we will do. Tom is the main person to try
to tell A from B... I'm sure there will be others that will want to
join in for the test.
It should be a fun test, and i expect some very positive results on
favor of the Transpoter.
--
Toy Maker
(2) Squeezebox3's - (1)
It looks like a worthwhile test. Some comments:
Would it not be better to use a fairly high end system? Even high end
headphones, rather than $300 ones?
Secondly, if the ears of the listener are so good that he can note down
the differences, why not ask him to say which an unknown player is?
Most if not ALL of the 15+ systems that will be at the fest are $10,000+
range... ours fall into the $50,000 range. Not sure what $300 units you
are talking about...
Well here was the latest update to the test as of last night
The test is about the same... a few minor changes, but
Toy Maker;637606 Wrote:
Most if not ALL of the 15+ systems that will be at the fest are In the
$10,000+ range... ours fall into the $50,000 range. Not sure what $300
units you are talking about...
Probably the $300 Sennheiser headphones you mention in the first post
on the Carver forums.
Toy Maker;637606 Wrote:
Most if not ALL of the 15+ systems that will be at the fest are In the
$10,000+ range... ours fall into the $50,000 range. Not sure what $300
units you are talking about...
I hope that not all of systems are all Carver equipment:)
Toy Maker;637606 Wrote:
The
That's the plan. Tom (the golden ear boy) says ge will be
listening for cues like instrument placement to try to tell the 2
apart.
If both sources are digital to a single DAC... all should be equal,
no?
--
Toy Maker
(2) Squeezebox3's - (1) Transporter2 - 7TB Acer Home Server - iPad
Toy Maker;637345 Wrote:
That's the plan. Tom (the golden ear boy) says he will be
listening for cues like instrument placement to try to tell the 2
apart.
If both sources are digital to a single DAC... all should be equal,
no?
Yup, if both transports are sending a bit-identical
Interesting thread...From my limited experience. The KISS principle is
one to live by in audio. That picture of all that equipment just sends
me into a panic! With what I have now, I'm COMPLETELY challenged with
the number of variables I'm dealing with. Of course, I'm an obsessive
tweaker. I
SuperQ
Thanks for the link to AudioDiffMaker !! Please take a look at this,
you will defiantly find it interesting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAmtwNipZoM
This was a CONTEST that Audiophile put to Bob Carver back in the late
80's
The Carver Amplifier Challenge
Full publication
Toy Maker;637046 Wrote:
No... Not at all... My Golden Ear Audiophile buddy, says he will
be able to hear the difference. He says the Transporter can not
reproduce a ripped CD to where he cant tell the difference.
I plan to prove him wrong.
Assuming you're using a CD transport into the
depending on the gear ( I have not heard yours ) You may not be able to
tell any difference between any resonably good digital sources at all
.
throw in a cheap dvd player in the mix and try that to.
--
Mnyb
Main hifi:
All you are doing is comparing the tranporter/sb3/touch as a transport
vs a dedicated transport (your cd player using it's digital out).
I compared my transporter to a Theta Jade transport and the
Transporter was better as a transport IMO. Just hook up both into a dac
with 2 coax inputs using
What is a Transporter2 ? As far as I am aware there has only ever been
one Transporter (discounting the Transporter SE that is just the same
with the knob removed).
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andynormancx
Yes, it will. Yes, all of them. Yes, SoftSqueeze as well. What ?
I SAID ALL OF THEM !
Make sure you have got AccurateRip setup and working in EAC and you are
using discs in the AccurateRip database.
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andynormancx
Yes, it will. Yes, all of them. Yes, SoftSqueeze as well. What ?
I SAID ALL OF THEM !
Toy Maker;636892 Wrote:
I just thought you guys might be interested in an ongoing contest of
the Golden Ear
I am the owner of CarverAudio.com and we have an annual audio fest in
Sep. every year.
For the past 3 years, I have claimed that If set up correctly FULLY
DIGITAL you will not be
Well, I only own a pair of SB3s and a Transporter... So that's what I
have to run the test...
Yeah, I know about bypassing the Transporters DAC.. Otherwise you are
just comparing DACs, and that is not the test at all.
I want the most complete file possible for the test.. FLAC files would
Toy Maker;637002 Wrote:
I didn't know I could do the same test with SACDs.. I don't own any,
but I know the guy I am putting up to the test does. I will look into
ripping them as well. What software do you need to rip an SACD?
There is no way in ripping the data from a SACD and compare
Wombat;637005 Wrote:
There is no way in ripping the data from a SACD and compare them with
playinbg back its digital data against PCM on any device. Only way to
get SACD digital PCM data is grabbing the data from a modified
SACD-Player that converts the DSD data from the SACD to PCM in the
ralphpnj;637014 Wrote:
If not then I suggest that the Transporter's analog output when playing
back a high resolution digital audio file be directly compared to the
analog output of an SACD/DVD-Audio player playing back the same high
resolution material sourced from a little sliver disc. I
Wombat;637015 Wrote:
Indeed there are many Hires releases where a better sounding Redbook
version is around.
True but not what I meant by surprised. I meant that the Transporter
playing back high resolution files will sound very good and that it
will be nearly impossible to tell the
Again, the test is going to be redbook CDs ripped using EAC to raw wav
files.
Both th cdp and the Transporterwill be wired to a preamp using 2 of the
same digital cables, letting the preamp do all the DAC for both head
units.
We lwill video take the testing, and probably post it on YouTube
Damn screwed all that up, and the forum doesn't let you go back and edit
your posts Sorry, iPads SUCK for typing on.
--
Toy Maker
(2) Squeezebox3's - (1) Transporter2 - 7TB Acer Home Server - iPad -
iPeng
And more toys than any one person should be aloud to own.
Toy Maker;637042 Wrote:
Again, the test is going to be redbook CDs ripped using EAC to raw wav
files.
Like millions of Squeeze users do all day long. They rip with EAC and
enjoy. What do you want to prove then? EAC is not working?
--
Wombat
Transporter (modded) - RG142 - Avantgarde
No... Not at all... My Golden Ear Audiophile buddy, says he will
be able to hear the difference. He says the Transporter can not
reproduce a ripped CD to where he cant tell the difference.
I plan to prove him wrong.
--
Toy Maker
(2) Squeezebox3's - (1) Transporter2 - 7TB Acer Home Server
Toy Maker;637046 Wrote:
No... Not at all... My Golden Ear Audiophile buddy, says he will
be able to hear the difference. He says the Transporter can not
reproduce a ripped CD to where he cant tell the difference.
I plan to prove him wrong.
What started at a very interesting point will
I just thought you guys might be interested in an ongoing contest of
the Golden Ear
I am the owner of CarverAudio.com and we have an annual audio fest in
Sep. every year.
For the past 3 years, I have claimed that If set up correctly FULLY
DIGITAL you will not be able to tell an EAC file played
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