Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2013-08-15 Thread Wombat
michael123 wrote: > > OK, > anyway just wanted to close this loop .. > > SlimDevices is history.. > Squeeze line of devices is history.. Unfortunately yes but maybe John Swensson and friends will come up with something greatly usable. Also with affordable TB SSDs around the corner there come n

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2013-08-15 Thread michael123
why broken? :) I had many blind and non-blind listening tests with my friends.. OK, anyway just wanted to close this loop .. SlimDevices is history.. Squeeze line of devices is history.. Yet, I continue to use Squeezeserver with (broken) Squeezelite, which feeds via KS and proprietary Metr

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2013-08-15 Thread Wombat
michael123 wrote: > I shall like it, otherwise I have a (big) problem :) > > Not every 176/192Khz recording sounds like that, > but I had some others like the SACD rip of Natalie Cole/Ask A Woman Who > Knows.. > > With this disc it was interesting.. few years ago I had Denon A11 > DVD/SACD play

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2013-08-15 Thread michael123
I shall like it, otherwise I have a (big) problem :) Not every 176/192Khz recording sounds like that, but I had some others like the SACD rip of Natalie Cole/Ask A Woman Who Knows.. With this disc it was interesting.. few years ago I had Denon A11 DVD/SACD player. And this SACD sounded absolutel

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2013-08-15 Thread Wombat
In short you like the metronomes tube signature and you feel your system is more alive. Everyone his own, so have fun! Transporter (modded) -> RG142 -> Avantgarde Acoustic based 500VA monoblocks -> Sommer SPK240 -> self-made speakers -

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2013-08-15 Thread michael123
I say that the 176.4/24 version sounds much more realistic and live (on metronome c6) than the downsampled (on Transporter).. Michael michael123's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23745 View this th

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2013-08-15 Thread Wombat
michael123 wrote: > > It really shines with good quality albums, and more with the > high-resolution.. especially 176/192Khz (e.g. Dave Brubeck/TimeOut). > Left me breathless Yeah, on Brubecks Time Out you are lucky when you reach 15bit in 1 or 2 drumhits searching thru the whole album. When it

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2013-08-15 Thread michael123
michael123 wrote: > Phil > > I can leave with this dead-end for next 10 years, > again, the level of the mod is so high, that the player now competes > with the > sound of Metronome and EMM Labs > > Few bugs in firmware and optimization of the code is not something not > possible. > > If Slim

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-04-05 Thread Themis
Well, when Akira Suzuki came to present CD (along with the Philips reps) came to present CD in the annual ICIM (International Music Industry Conference) in Athens in 1979, he got the following "constructive" criticism: "Look, son, you propose the bullshit!" Along with the opening of vice-presiden

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-04-05 Thread Pat Farrell
Themis wrote: > To add to that, the industry was against CD for the same reason : > copying. At the time they were claiming cassettes were destroying their > sales and that CD would give the final blow. Er, no. For the first decade or so, the CD was loved by the Music Industry because it was ReadO

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-04-05 Thread Themis
mlsstl;530391 Wrote: > Actually, the music industry sales were dropping before that. If you > check the RIAA "Key Statistics" for the period before, (1999 to 2003), > you'll find their record sales dropped 18% in total dollar value in > that period. > > That is -before- downloading was very com

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-04-05 Thread mlsstl
Themis;530355 Wrote: > There is a 30% down on Total Music market 2004 to 2009, according to > IFPI's annual report of 2009 > (http://www.ifpi.org/content/library/dmr2009.pdf) > "Liquid" music (digital) is up 940% for the same period, but it doesn't > catch up the physical sales drop neither in vo

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-04-05 Thread Themis
mlsstl;530186 Wrote: > Other music sales are not down. According to the latest RIAA statistics > (on their web site) CDs are down about 25%, but download sales are up > 27% for singles and 34% for albums. And those numbers make LP sales > look like a small ink drop on a sheet of white paper. Ther

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-04-04 Thread mlsstl
michael123;530225 Wrote: > I think I understand you. > I do not compare my rips to CDs, I just do it and like what I get. > > What was your ADC? Which resolution did you use to rip LPs? 96/24? I did enough LP/digital comparison toward the beginning of my ongoing conversion project to satisfy my

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-04-04 Thread Themis
pfarrell;530243 Wrote: > michael123 wrote: > > Right..but probably a good surgeon has the best knife available, > right? > > Sometimes. When the surgeon is in his preferred hospital with his > trained crew, sure. Whether he wants a $10 knife or a $100 one is all > personal choice, and the surgeo

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-04-04 Thread Pat Farrell
michael123 wrote: > Right..but probably a good surgeon has the best knife available, right? Sometimes. When the surgeon is in his preferred hospital with his trained crew, sure. Whether he wants a $10 knife or a $100 one is all personal choice, and the surgeon makes the call. But if the circumsta

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-04-04 Thread michael123
Right..but probably a good surgeon has the best knife available, right? -- michael123 michael123's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23745 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.p

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-04-04 Thread Curt962
I don't know who this "Mlsstl" gentleman isbut he's 100% dead-on in my book. Technology, bit depth or sampling rates don't make the recording any more than the knife makes the surgeon.It's a matter of skill, and attention to detail and quality that go into the front end of the project

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-04-04 Thread michael123
mlsstl;530189 Wrote: > Though my turntable system is now setup only for transcription, in the > past I've had it in my main system and it wasn't too hard to use the > preamp input control to switch back and forth from the digital copy to > the LP. I was satisfied. > > In fact, I was more than s

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-04-04 Thread mlsstl
michael123;530101 Wrote: > mlsstl > > so, how would you compare the rip played through Transporter to > original LP record? > > I also have few rips of my friends, and there is some loss in > resolution, separation and clarity (given that the rip is done using > 24/96). It is very close, though

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-04-04 Thread mlsstl
Themis;530132 Wrote: > Hi, > > what is important here is that LP sales are -up-, while total music > sales are -dropping-. No-one claims LP will replace redbook. > If bicycle sales are up while car sales are dropping, this is something > to consider. > > You example of nasty-sounding LPs is obv

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-04-04 Thread Themis
mlsstl;530055 Wrote: > My reply addresses points from a couple of different posts, but the > above is as good a place to start as any. > > 1. Sure, LP sales are up, but compared to what? Vinyl record sale are > estimated at 2,8 million for 2009. That's less than 1% of album sales. > I can also

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-04-03 Thread michael123
mlsstl so, how would you compare the rip played through Transporter to original LP record? I also have few rips of my friends, and there is some loss in resolution, separation and clarity (given that the rip is done using 24/96). It is very close, though. -- michael123 ---

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-04-03 Thread Themis
pfarrell;530005 Wrote: > > Audiophiles often claim "accuracy" when they like something. And most > audiophiles love the added even harmonic distortions that tubes/valves > and vinyl have in spades. > This is a caricature, as you know. My tube amplifiers have no more distortion than the ss ones.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-04-03 Thread mlsstl
michael123;529998 Wrote: > That's not exact. > The market of vinyl is booming. Records go for 30$, 50$, 100$, ... > I see more audiophiles that switched to CD 10-15 years ago and now go > back to turntable. Because of a sound. If there will be more material > to buy, these guys will. > > There i

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-04-03 Thread michael123
snarlydwarf;530013 Wrote: > Then your citations to those articles was meaningless? > > I must not understand how you could be "not talking about graphs" when > you cited them as proof of the "limits" of digital reproduction. Measurements might be the proof to the listening experience. Listening

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-04-03 Thread snarlydwarf
michael123;530007 Wrote: > I was not talking about graphs, that was my pure listening experience. > Then your citations to those articles was meaningless? I must not understand how you could be "not talking about graphs" when you cited them as proof of the "limits" of digital reproduction. -

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-04-03 Thread michael123
snarlydwarf;530004 Wrote: > The catch is those graphs are not comparing "digital to analog" ... > there is no analog source depicted for comparison: you are left to fill > out the ideal curves in your head. Believing those ideal curves are > representative of how an analog source would display,

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-04-03 Thread Pat Farrell
Themis wrote: > Phil Leigh;52 Wrote: >> This is just silly. Analogue has some lovely added distortion that a >> lot of people like. Accurate it simply isn't. > Well, not quite true. A lot of quality recordings are made on analogue > gear, and, having them on CD doesn't make them "more accurate

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-04-03 Thread snarlydwarf
michael123;530001 Wrote: > > Many digital recordings have that 'edginess', vinyl sounds more > 'smooth' > > The catch is those graphs are not comparing "digital to analog" ... there is no analog source depicted for comparison: you are left to fill out the ideal curves in your head. Believing

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-04-03 Thread Themis
Phil Leigh;52 Wrote: > > This is just silly. Analogue has some lovely added distortion that a > lot of people like. Accurate it simply isn't. Well, not quite true. A lot of quality recordings are made on analogue gear, and, having them on CD doesn't make them "more accurate"... ;) As for th

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-04-03 Thread michael123
Phil 1) Did you listen to quality analog rig? 2) If you did not read the article, please do. That's not black & white. I am not a "vinyl lover", but I do listen frequently to quality gear. Many digital recordings have that 'edginess', vinyl sounds more 'smooth' There are some measurements in

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-04-03 Thread Phil Leigh
michael123;529986 Wrote: > Thanks, wireless200. > > mlsstl, > > Then why is the need to work with 192KHz at all? Why the industry > adopts DXD, which is 384Hz, I think..? I saw few labels going this way, > and there is hardware available of course.. > > > There is one interesting article, com

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-04-03 Thread michael123
That's not exact. The market of vinyl is booming. Records go for 30$, 50$, 100$, ... I see more audiophiles that switched to CD 10-15 years ago and now go back to turntable. Because of a sound. If there will be more material to buy, these guys will. There is no point to own 100,000$ stereo system

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-04-03 Thread ghostrider
michael123;529986 Wrote: > Thanks, wireless200. > > mlsstl, > > Then why is the need to work with 192KHz at all? Why the industry > adopts DXD, which is 384Hz, I think..? I saw few labels going this way, > and there is hardware available of course.. > > > There is one interesting article, com

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-04-03 Thread ghostrider
michael123;529986 Wrote: > Thanks, wireless200. > > mlsstl, > > Then why is the need to work with 192KHz at all? Why the industry > adopts DXD, which is 384Hz, I think..? I saw few labels going this way, > and there is hardware available of course.. > > > There is one interesting article, com

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-04-03 Thread michael123
Thanks, wireless200. mlsstl, > If one is not mixing and editing multi-track files, what purpose is > being served at 192K sample rates? Then why is the need to work with 192KHz > at all? Why the industry adopts DXD, which is 384Hz, I think..? I saw few labels going this way, and there is hardw

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-04-03 Thread wireless200
michael123;529507 Wrote: > > Transporter is a killer product, i think it deserves more attention. Michael, I appreciate you dogged pursuit of answers in this thread. That's really the only way good things ever get done. You ran into a bit of a "no can do" attitude but it resulted in one of t

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-04-01 Thread mlsstl
Curt962;529674 Wrote: > > It seems the music industry itself isn't concerned with providing the > highest resolution possible.They could, but without a viable market > (read: BIG market) it simply isn't on their radar screen. > A sole focus on maximum quality has never been true in the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-04-01 Thread Curt962
Perhaps someone could award me an honorary PhD in "Miscommunications" For me, it's really not a matter of music appreciation.There's not many genres of music in which I can't find something to like. Thoughts to the contrary wasn't my point at all. My point is, and I'm sure others may qu

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-04-01 Thread DaveWr
michael123;529507 Wrote: > > > Transporter is a killer product, i think it deserves more attention. It may be a killer product, but not for a Logitech like company, they want the MP3 crowd, volume is where it's at. Dave -- DaveWr --

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-03-31 Thread michael123
Curt962;529502 Wrote: > I for one am all for the best possible technologies to present our > favorite music, but until the record companies are?? It seems to > remain just a dream. > > As long as "focus groups" of college students find 128Kbps MP3s to > sound so good, I don't expect the labels

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-03-31 Thread Curt962
I for one am all for the best possible technologies to present our favorite music, but until the record companies are?? It seems to remain just a dream. As long as "focus groups" of college students find 128Kbps MP3s to sound so good, I don't expect the labels to make the investment. If the ki

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-03-31 Thread tcutting
tcutting;529198 Wrote: > So, do you know the difference between "Hardware" and "Software"? Sorry - didn't mean this to be too deep a question... more of a "geeky riddle". Answer: You can change the hardware! -- tcutting ---

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-03-30 Thread Themis
:) -- Themis SB3 - North Star dac 192 - Croft 25Pre and Series 7 power - Sonus Faber Grand Piano Domus Themis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14700 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.co

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-03-30 Thread Phil Leigh
pfarrell;529218 Wrote: > Phil Leigh wrote: > > tcutting;529198 Wrote: > >> So, do you know the difference between "Hardware" and "Software"? > > > > ??? > > I see this as a perfectly valid question. These days, a lot of > "hardware" is really defined by "software" and so the ancient > distin

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-03-30 Thread Pat Farrell
Phil Leigh wrote: > tcutting;529198 Wrote: >> So, do you know the difference between "Hardware" and "Software"? > > ??? I see this as a perfectly valid question. These days, a lot of "hardware" is really defined by "software" and so the ancient distinctions are vague and occasionally meaningle

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-03-30 Thread Phil Leigh
tcutting;529198 Wrote: > So, do you know the difference between "Hardware" and "Software"? ??? -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... SB Touch Beta (wired) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Tripleth

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-03-30 Thread tcutting
So, do you know the difference between "Hardware" and "Software"? -- tcutting tcutting's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17402 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76496

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-03-30 Thread Phil Leigh
Themis;529176 Wrote: > Well, then, we must agree, I guess. :) Yes... it gets written very, very slowly :-) -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... SB Touch Beta (wired) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W -

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-03-30 Thread Themis
Well, then, we must agree, I guess. :) -- Themis SB3 - North Star dac 192 - Croft 25Pre and Series 7 power - Sonus Faber Grand Piano Domus Themis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14700 View this

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-03-30 Thread Themis
Phil Leigh;529034 Wrote: > Well, actually my experience is that it can be much cheaper AND > faster-to-market to buy a new £1m server that is ten times quicker than > it is to hire a bunch of highly expensive gurus to pour over > already-optimised code to get maybe 50-100% performance increase af

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-03-30 Thread michael123
paulduggan;529118 Wrote: > I don't understand the relevance of the link. It seems to be advertising > material for a device that adds distortion to a signal. If you want to > do that then surely there are cheaper and easier ways than buying a > high fidelity device and then hacking it? > > Which

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-03-30 Thread paulduggan
I don't understand the relevance of the link. It seems to be advertising material for a device that adds distortion to a signal. If you want to do that then surely there are cheaper and easier ways than buying a high fidelity device and then hacking it? Which distortion are you talking about? Do

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-03-30 Thread michael123
paulduggan;529089 Wrote: > That sounds like -more- distortion. which one? ;-) -- michael123 michael123's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23745 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/show

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-03-30 Thread paulduggan
michael123;529085 Wrote: > ...I think that higher-order harmonics's amplitude decreased. That sounds like -more- distortion. -- paulduggan paulduggan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30396 View

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-03-30 Thread michael123
Phil Leigh;528853 Wrote: > Well, no need really - a lot (probably most) of the music we listen to > has already passed through several 5532/4 opamps (or worse - much > worse) with power supplies you and I wouldn't allow in the house, so > there is no going back from there. Messing around with the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-03-30 Thread michael123
Themis;528895 Wrote: > Well, I don't know which is michael123's job, but he's right on software > performance. Optimizations are not indefinite, of course, but you can > divide useful (externally observed) response time by 20 to 50 most of > the time. ;) Thanks! BTW, I spent almost a month with

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-03-30 Thread Phil Leigh
Themis;529023 Wrote: > Thanks Robin. > > > Yes, you have to upgrade the hardware, eventually. But, problem is, you > upgrade it for adding another software, rarely for making existing > applications faster (except if you lack software experts to do so, or > you are advised by hardware makers...

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-03-30 Thread Themis
Robin Bowes;528957 Wrote: > On 29/03/10 23:34, Themis wrote: > > > > Sorry, Phil, my English is not good enough to know what "throw tin" > > means... and search engines were not of much help. I would be > grateful > > if you could provide a synonym, if you don't mind. > > To "throw tin" at some

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-03-29 Thread Pat Farrell
snarlydwarf wrote: > pfarrell;528958 Wrote: >> While the 'high end' audio folks have a longer time frame, anything >> computer related that is four or five years old is economically >> obsolete. > > With the fast rise of ARM processors in the last few years, that > timeline is accelerated for 'em

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-03-29 Thread snarlydwarf
pfarrell;528958 Wrote: > > While the 'high end' audio folks have a longer time frame, anything > computer related that is four or five years old is economically > obsolete. > With the fast rise of ARM processors in the last few years, that timeline is accelerated for 'embedded' applications.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-03-29 Thread Pat Farrell
Robin Bowes wrote: > On 29/03/10 23:34, Themis wrote: >> Sorry, Phil, my English is not good enough to know what "throw tin" >> means... and search engines were not of much help. I would be grateful >> if you could provide a synonym, if you don't mind. > > To "throw tin" at something means to upgr

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-03-29 Thread Robin Bowes
On 29/03/10 23:34, Themis wrote: > > Sorry, Phil, my English is not good enough to know what "throw tin" > means... and search engines were not of much help. I would be grateful > if you could provide a synonym, if you don't mind. To "throw tin" at something means to upgrade the hardware. R. ___

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-03-29 Thread Themis
Sorry, Phil, my English is not good enough to know what "throw tin" means... and search engines were not of much help. I would be grateful if you could provide a synonym, if you don't mind. -- Themis SB3 - North Star dac 192 - Croft 25Pre and Series 7 power - Sonus Faber Grand Piano Domus

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-03-29 Thread Phil Leigh
Themis;528895 Wrote: > Well, I don't know which is michael123's job, but he's right on software > performance. Optimizations are not indefinite, of course, but you can > divide useful (externally observed) response time by 20 to 50 most of > the time. ;) You can go so far then eventually you hav

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-03-29 Thread Themis
Well, I don't know which is michael23's job, but he's right on software's performance. Optimizations are not indefinite, of course, but you can divide useful (externally observed) response time by 20 to 50 most of the time. ;) -- Themis SB3 - North Star dac 192 - Croft 25Pre and Series 7 power

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-03-29 Thread snarlydwarf
michael123;528847 Wrote: > > My specialization is performance of cluster-based enterprise system. My > background is imaging processing and algorithms. Software system > performance can be always improved, this is matter of time and will. > This is my bread and butter. I got paid for it. > But I

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-03-29 Thread Phil Leigh
michael123;528824 Wrote: > Phil > > Bear in mid this link: > http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=505803&postcount=56 > > > yes, power supply of Transporter is good enough as well as digital > output interface. This is what we saw and compared.. [ Digital input, > however, is not at th

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-03-29 Thread michael123
pfarrell;528841 Wrote: > michael123 wrote:[color=blue] > What people? > See few posts before pfarrell;528841 Wrote: > michael123 wrote:[color=blue] > You seem to be just asking the same thing over and over. > One definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and > expecting dif

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-03-29 Thread Pat Farrell
michael123 wrote: > 1) stop insulting me > I will bring this to attention of Logitech guys > You should go away as your posts are ignorant and irritating I have not insulted you. I have said that your posts are pointless and you are a troll. You act like a troll, you write like a troll, you liste

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-03-29 Thread michael123
Pat 1) stop insulting me I will bring this to attention of Logitech guys You should go away as your posts are ignorant and irritating 2) You are misleading.. Transporter can be upgraded and improved, that's the point.. As with every component. All audio designers are DIY-ers and modders. Did you

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-03-29 Thread Pat Farrell
michael123 wrote: > When you will have something meaningful to say on the subject of this > thread, say it.. We have fully explored this thread. You are asking for stuff that will not be answered. You want stuff that can't be done. If you hate the Transporter so much, and have half the skills yo

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-03-29 Thread michael123
Pat give me a favor. When you will have something meaningful to say on the subject of this thread, say it.. In the meantime... -- michael123 michael123's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23745 Vie

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-03-29 Thread Pat Farrell
michael123 wrote: > Shall I continue? No You have become a troll. And your SeanTrollScore for these recent posts is 0/10. See http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76315 -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ audiophiles mailing list

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-03-29 Thread michael123
Phil Bear in mid this link: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=505803&postcount=56 yes, power supply of Transporter is good enough as well as digital output interface. This is what we saw and compared.. [ Digital input, however, is not at the same level IMHO. ] Yet, analog topology *

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-03-29 Thread Phil Leigh
twheatley;528751 Wrote: > anyone know anywhere in the UKthat would perform the upgrades michael123 > mentions? It's always worth bearing in mind this post... http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=249134&postcount=4 -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a C

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-03-29 Thread michael123
When we replaced 6 op-amps with Burson discrete ones, oscilloscope showed some noise. So, initially we thought of power supply. Frankly, the guy who did the mod had some available (dedicated toroidal power supply + super regulators), but after he installed it (to feed op-amps) he could not see the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-03-29 Thread Phil Leigh
twheatley;528751 Wrote: > anyone know anywhere in the UKthat would perform the upgrades michael123 > mentions? Interestingly, Audiocom only do a digital output upgrade for the TP. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-03-29 Thread twheatley
anyone know anywhere in the UKthat would perform the upgrades michael123 mentions? -- twheatley twheatley's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5167 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/show

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-03-28 Thread michael123
Transporter's DAC - e.g. the chip - is well-respected and used in a very high-end equipment, such as Esoteric and Metronome. Yet, it is analog stage may be **greatly** improved. Under the hood, while schematically excellent, Transporter has very cheap (cents) components. I wish I could upgrade it

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-03-27 Thread cliveb
michael123;528228 Wrote: > And to the guys that do not (even) need 96/24, why did you buy > Transporter? Are you suggesting that the only capability of the Transporter that might justify a purchase is the sample rates that it supports? Don't you think perhaps the high quality DAC chip it uses, o

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-03-27 Thread Phil Leigh
JohnSwenson;528305 Wrote: > I've measured big differences using a linear supply for the SB3, but its > not in the signal coming out of the DAC or digital outs. The switcher > that comes with the SB3 injects a huge amount of noise into the power > cord which winds up in the other boxes in the syst

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-03-27 Thread Themis
johnswenson;528305 Wrote: > > > that little switcher that comes with the sb3 is so bad that it makes my > skin crawl just thinking about it. I keep one on the floor in my > listening room and stomp on it everytime i go in or out. I've been > trying to come up with a good use for one, such as te

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-03-26 Thread JohnSwenson
On the main subject of this thread there IS a reason that 176/192 might sound better, but the explanation is somewhat involved and I don't have time right now to put it all down. Maybe tomorrow I'll take a couple hours off from DAC design and give it a try. John S. -- JohnSwenson

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-03-26 Thread JohnSwenson
Phil Leigh;527990 Wrote: > John - what's your view on after-market power supplies for the > SB3/Touch? > I'm pretty much convinced that there MIGHT be a very small benefit for > the SB3 s/pdif but I'm darned if I can find any benefit for the Touch > using its digital outputs... I've measured big

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-03-26 Thread mlsstl
Michael, perhaps you should change your ID to "Don Quixote". But you do get a gold star for persistency ;-) -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://fo

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-03-26 Thread michael123
Pat, 1) Downsampling introduces artifacts, right? 2) Of course, Wave sounds same as flac. The purpose was to save CPU cycles on Transporter by doing the decompression on the server. What would be the CPU load on the Transporter for 192/24 raw wav file? -- michael123

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-03-26 Thread Pat Farrell
michael123 wrote: > regarding silly sampling rates, tell it to Linn, Lindberg, Classic > Records and others, ok? As P T Barnum said, no one has ever gone broke underestimating the intellegence of the American public. I have no problem with 88.2/24 or 96/24. I can't hear it, but I can believe it c

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-03-26 Thread michael123
Pat, regarding silly sampling rates, tell it to Linn, Lindberg, Classic Records and others, ok? Working with Wave files on the server reduces the load on the Transporter. By which degree? is it enough to lift the limitation of higher bitrates? -- michael123 ---

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-03-26 Thread Pat Farrell
michael123 wrote: >> What is the point of your continual posting in this thread? You are not >> going to change any facts. The firmware is not open source, the CPU is >> too slow. >> >> Accept it and move on with your life > If that's a pure software issue, it can be profiled and optimized. Its

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-03-26 Thread michael123
If that's a pure software issue, it can be profiled and optimized. There was a post by Sean Adams, saying that different Flac compression ratio's generate different CPU load (make sense..) so, if the limitation would be to use pure wav files, while SqueezeCenter will decode? -- michael123

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-03-26 Thread michael123
If that's a pure software issue, it can be profiled and optimized. There was a post by Sean Adams, saying that different Flac compression ratio's generate different CPU load (make sense..) so, if the limitation would be to use pure wav files, while SqueezeCenter will decode? -- michael123

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-03-26 Thread Pat Farrell
michael123 wrote: > My choice was greatly based on the fact that Transporter is an open > platform. There is a good chance that your choice was based on incorrect understanding of the open license. The hardware has never been open source in any sense. None of the firmware has been open source, alt

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-03-26 Thread michael123
andyg;528229 Wrote: > No, it's already been said that it's not possible, I was just stating > that if it were, it probably still doesn't make a lot of sense, other > than for marketing purposes. I agree about "marketing purposes"! I know few people that do not buy it just because it does not sup

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-03-26 Thread andyg
No, it's already been said that it's not possible, I was just stating that if it were, it probably still doesn't make a lot of sense, other than for marketing purposes. -- andyg andyg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.c

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-03-26 Thread michael123
andyg;528143 Wrote: > Of course it's not abandoned. But even if it were possible to support > 24/192 I'm not sure there's a real reason to do so. Can anyone > actually ABX accurately between 24/96 and higher sample rates? I have few HDAD albums by Classic Records with both 96/24 and 192/24 lay

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-03-26 Thread DaveWr
paulduggan;528201 Wrote: > There are consumer benefits to owning a powerful sports car that are not > psychological. > What are the consumer benefits of >96Khz sampling? (I'm not convinced > there are any benefits >44.1Khz given good mastering but 96Khz seems to > give some headroom for sloppines

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-03-26 Thread DaveWr
Robin Bowes;528198 Wrote: > On 26/03/10 14:43, DaveWr wrote: > > > > And Ferrari's exceed the UK speed limit. > > and are generally driven by dickheads, with more money than sense. > > :) > > R. OK Ford Focus - same issue. -- DaveWr

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?

2010-03-26 Thread paulduggan
There are consumer benefits to owning a powerful sports car that are not psychological. What are the consumer benefits of >96Khz sampling? (I'm not convinced there are any benefits >44.1Khz given good mastering but 96Khz seems to give some headroom for sloppiness). So why -should- you make the TP

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