RE: Becoming Disenheartened - Everyone talks about Python and says Perl is old news.

>William> My impression was that OO in Perl has historically been fraught >with >William> CPU overhead - this will change in Perl 6? (argument number 2) > >FUD FUD FUD. > >*All* late binding takes a bit of time. Perl caches what it can. > well, i'll be a mother's son! I figured that Perl had

Re: RE : Becoming Disenheartened - Everyone talks about Python and says Perl is old news.

From: "Nicolay A. Vasiliev" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I MEANT STANDART TYPES. ARE YOU ABLE TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE? If you > assign the value for string variable it automaticaly gets the number > of methods belonging to String object. And as an example I wrote the > s.replace statement.. The similar appr

Re: RE : Becoming Disenheartened - Everyone talks about Python and says Perl is old news.

>>De : Nicolay A. Vasiliev [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Envoyé : vendredi 1 octobre 2004 22:39 >>À : Perl Beginners List >>Objet : Re: Becoming Disenheartened - Everyone talks about Python and >> >> >says > > >>Perl is old news. >> >>

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> -Message d'origine- > De : Nicolay A. Vasiliev [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Envoyé : vendredi 1 octobre 2004 22:39 > À : Perl Beginners List > Objet : Re: Becoming Disenheartened - Everyone talks about Python and says > Perl is old news. > > I didn&#x

Re: Becoming Disenheartened - Everyone talks about Python and says Perl is old news.

> "William" == William M West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: William> My impression was that OO in Perl has historically been fraught with William> CPU overhead - this will change in Perl 6? (argument number 2) FUD FUD FUD. *All* late binding takes a bit of time. Perl caches what it can. --

Re: Becoming Disenheartened - Everyone talks about Python and says Perl is old news.

Nicolay A. Vasiliev wrote: I didn't mean CGI, only standart types. Everyone is just using your own examples as examples of why your arguments are moot :) That's the last .02 I'm spending on this crazy thread :) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL

Re: Becoming Disenheartened - Everyone talks about Python and says Perl is old news.

I didn't mean CGI, only standart types. JupiterHost.Net wrote: >>CGI is a module, earlier >>wrote and stored in a separate files. I don't mean such objects. >>>> > >And Python objects live where -- the sky? The stars? > > To create $cgi = new CGI you should make declaration "use CGI", s

Re: Becoming Disenheartened - Everyone talks about Python and says Perl is old news.

>>CGI is a module, earlier >>wrote and stored in a separate files. I don't mean such objects. >>>> > >And Python objects live where -- the sky? The stars? > > To create $cgi = new CGI you should make declaration "use CGI", shouldn't you? I meant only this Err, you keep arguing about poi

Re: Becoming Disenheartened - Everyone talks about Python and says Perl is old news.

> "Nicolay" == Nicolay A Vasiliev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Nicolay> Python and Ruby don't write the code for me. But look at this Python code: Nicolay> s = "I am Perl guru"; Nicolay> new_s = s.replace("Perl", "Python"); $s = "I am a Perl guru"; ($new_s = $s) =~ s/Perl/Python/; No additio

RE: Becoming Disenheartened - Everyone talks about Python and says Perl is old news.

>With this willing to treat everything as object you end up with >Ugly code such as the following: >http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/moinmoin/CgiScripts (code snipped to save space) i found the Python script to be very readable- i am far more comfortable with Perl syntax, but it worked for me. I t

Re: Becoming Disenheartened - Everyone talks about Python and says Perl is old news.

Chris Devers wrote: >>CGI is a module, earlier >>wrote and stored in a separate files. I don't mean such objects. >> >> > >And Python objects live where -- the sky? The stars? > > To create $cgi = new CGI you should make declaration "use CGI", shouldn't you? I meant only this > > >>Python

Re: Becoming Disenheartened - Everyone talks about Python and says Perl is old news.

> > On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 11:04 +0200, Gabor Urban wrote: > > Hi guys, > > > > this thread seems to expand into something unworthy of this mailing > > list. You can not compare a cup of tea with a horse, these are two > > totally different things. > Don't be ridiculous, of course they don't compa

Re: Becoming Disenheartened - Everyone talks about Python and says Perl is old news.

On Fri, 2004-10-01 at 11:04 +0200, Gabor Urban wrote: > Hi guys, > > this thread seems to expand into something unworthy of this mailing > list. You can not compare a cup of tea with a horse, these are two > totally different things. Don't be ridiculous, of course they don't compare, a horse is _w

RE: Becoming Disenheartened - Everyone talks about Python and says Perl is old news.

mpler. "NYIMI Jose (BMB)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -Original Message- > From: Nicolay A. Vasiliev [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 2:45 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Becoming Disenheartened - Everyone talks about

RE: Becoming Disenheartened - Everyone talks about Python and says Perl is old news.

> -Original Message- > From: Nicolay A. Vasiliev [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 2:45 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Becoming Disenheartened - Everyone talks about > Python and says Perl is old news. > > > To Rand

Re: Becoming Disenheartened - Everyone talks about Python and says Perl is old news.

On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 09:21:45 -0400 (EDT), Chris Devers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 1 Oct 2004, Nicolay A. Vasiliev wrote: > > > To Randal and Chris. You all don't understand me. > > There is a misunderstanding, but I'm not sure that it's Randal & me. > > > CGI is a module, earlier > > wr

Re: Becoming Disenheartened - Everyone talks about Python and says Perl is old news.

On Fri, 1 Oct 2004, Nicolay A. Vasiliev wrote: > To Randal and Chris. You all don't understand me. There is a misunderstanding, but I'm not sure that it's Randal & me. > CGI is a module, earlier > wrote and stored in a separate files. I don't mean such objects. And Python objects live where --

Re: Becoming Disenheartened - Everyone talks about Python and says Perl is old news.

From: "Nicolay A. Vasiliev" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Dear mr. Schwartz! > Let me be unagreed. Functionally complete OO language at least means > the next thing: when I create some object (ie, declare some variable, > maybe string), this already have necessary methods like Python or > Ruby. Even C++ ha

Re: Becoming Disenheartened - Everyone talks about Python and says Perl is old news.

To Randal and Chris. You all don't understand me. CGI is a module, earlier wrote and stored in a separate files. I don't mean such objects. Python and Ruby don't write the code for me. But look at this Python code: s = "I am Perl guru"; new_s = s.replace("Perl", "Python"); Huh? Remark, no additio

Re: Becoming Disenheartened - Everyone talks about Python and says Perl is old news.

> "Nicolay" == Nicolay A Vasiliev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Nicolay> Let me be unagreed. Functionally complete OO language at least means Nicolay> the next thing: when I create some object (ie, declare some variable, Nicolay> maybe string), this already have necessary methods like Python or

Re: Becoming Disenheartened - Everyone talks about Python and says Perl is old news.

On Fri, 1 Oct 2004, Nicolay A. Vasiliev wrote: > Functionally complete OO language at least means the next thing: when > I create some object (ie, declare some variable, maybe string), this > already have necessary methods like Python or Ruby. Even C++ haven't > such functionality. Of course Pe

Re: Becoming Disenheartened - Everyone talks about Python and says Perl is old news.

Dear mr. Schwartz! Let me be unagreed. Functionally complete OO language at least means the next thing: when I create some object (ie, declare some variable, maybe string), this already have necessary methods like Python or Ruby. Even C++ haven't such functionality. Of course Perl haven't this t

Re: Becoming Disenheartened - Everyone talks about Python and says Perl is old news.

> "Nicolay" == Nicolay A Vasiliev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Nicolay> I mean real OO, but no perls "dirty hack". There is nothing "dirty" or "hack" about Perl's OO. It is as functionally complete as nearly any other programming language. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Servi

Re: Becoming Disenheartened - Everyone talks about Python and says Perl is old news.

Agreed! Gabor Urban wrote: Hi guys, this thread seems to expand into something unworthy of this mailing list. You can not compare a cup of tea with a horse, these are two totally different things. Both Perl and Python have it's place under the sun, both have very good features, and some very diffic

Re: Becoming Disenheartened - Everyone talks about Python and says Perl is old news.

Hi guys, this thread seems to expand into something unworthy of this mailing list. You can not compare a cup of tea with a horse, these are two totally different things. Both Perl and Python have it's place under the sun, both have very good features, and some very difficult aspects, too. Both ca

Re: Becoming Disenheartened - Everyone talks about Python and says Perl is old news.

I mean real OO, but no perls "dirty hack". Perl has OO support. In my opinion those funny syntax get u the job done quicker when your boss comes down to you with deadly deadlines. ~;-) I assume those syntax u are talking about is regular expression. -- Best regards, Nicolay http://www.soft411.co

Re: Becoming Disenheartened - Everyone talks about Python and says Perl is old news.

> >Perl is more powerful. Python is simpler. Python is for people > >who don't want to master a language -- just use it casually. > > > > > This is no serious statement. Python is simple and power too. Read > please Bruce Eckel why he left Perl and came to Python. > At least, it's really object-o

Re: Becoming Disenheartened - Everyone talks about Python and says Perl is old news.

Hello! This is very interesting thread. So, let me add some words to this. (Sorry in advance my English). Best of all, let me express my respect to Mr. Schwartz. I read your Lama-book and I think that's very useful for every Perl newbie. I got such chain: Lama-book, Camel-book and Cook-book :).

Re: Becoming Disenheartened - Everyone talks about Python and says Perl is old news.

>> Can you reveal anymore about this, as I read it on stonehenge too. > > Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/> > > Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. Does Randal wri

Re: Becoming Disenheartened - Everyone talks about Python and says Perl is old news.

On Thursday 30 Sep 2004 13:19, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > > "John" == John W Krahn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > John> You might hurt his feelings, he didn't contribute to the third > edition John> of Programming Perl. > > Actually, it's worse than that. I contributed to it, but wasn't cred

Re: Becoming Disenheartened - Everyone talks about Python and says Perl is old news.

I love your sense of humor! Made my morning. Randal L. Schwartz wrote: "John" == John W Krahn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: John> You might hurt his feelings, he didn't contribute to the third edition John> of Programming Perl. Actually, it's worse than that. I contributed to it, but wasn't credite

Re: Becoming Disenheartened - Everyone talks about Python and says Perl is old news.

> "John" == John W Krahn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: John> You might hurt his feelings, he didn't contribute to the third edition John> of Programming Perl. Actually, it's worse than that. I contributed to it, but wasn't credited for it or paid for it. John> Better to buy his latest book

Re: Becoming Disenheartened - Everyone talks about Python and says Perl is old news.

Wiggins d Anconia wrote: I like this thread, lots of opinions + not too many flames = productive learning U ignorant piece of uh sorry hehe good one :) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: Becoming Disenheartened - Everyone talks about Python and says Perl is old news.

> -Original Message- > From: Wiggins d Anconia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 4:38 PM > To: JupiterHost.Net; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Becoming Disenheartened - Everyone talks about > Python and says Perl is old news. > >

Re: Becoming Disenheartened - Everyone talks about Python and says Perl is old news.

> My what long lines you have :) > > > It may not be commercial grade but, who of us writes commerical applications all the time. > > I do mostly, private corporate backends mostly among other things :) > I use it for the quick tasks and simple scripts also of course. (the > projects never end

Re: Becoming Disenheartened - Everyone talks about Python and says Perl is old news.

JupiterHost.Net said: > My what long lines you have :) > >> It may not be commercial grade but, who of us writes commerical >> applications all the time. > > I do mostly, private corporate backends mostly among other things :) > I use it for the quick tasks and simple scripts also of course. (the >

Re: Becoming Disenheartened - Everyone talks about Python and says Perl is old news.

My what long lines you have :) It may not be commercial grade but, who of us writes commerical applications all the time. I do mostly, private corporate backends mostly among other things :) I use it for the quick tasks and simple scripts also of course. (the projects never end the same as durabi

Re: Becoming Disenheartened - Everyone talks about Python and says Perl is old news.

John W. Krahn said: > Gavin Henry wrote: >> Randal L. Schwartz said: >>> >>>Remember "new coke", and how long we had that. (If you're old enough >>>to remember that fiasco.) >> >> Again, thanks for this. My morale is now completely topped up, so I am >> going to shell out for Programming Perl, alth

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Gavin Henry wrote: Randal L. Schwartz said: Remember "new coke", and how long we had that. (If you're old enough to remember that fiasco.) Again, thanks for this. My morale is now completely topped up, so I am going to shell out for Programming Perl, although I do have the CD Bookshelf 3.0 (better

Re: Becoming Disenheartened - Everyone talks about Python and says Perl is old news.

Randal L. Schwartz said: >> "Gavin" == Gavin Henry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Wow I didn't know that you read this list. I am learning from your book and I am catching up with all the columns you have ever published on your site. I am actually getting paid to learn Python now, and fran

Re: Becoming Disenheartened - Everyone talks about Python and says Perl is old news.

> "Gavin" == Gavin Henry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Gavin> I really like Perl, but lately everywhere I seem to go and talk Gavin> to say I shouldn't be learning Perl as it's old and Python is Gavin> better. Perl is more powerful. Python is simpler. Python is for people who don't want to ma

Re: Becoming Disenheartened - Everyone talks about Python and says Perl is old news.

On Wednesday 29 Sep 2004 03:19, you wrote: > You know, I'm kinda going through a similar thing. I wrote a script to > search for users in an LDAP directory and update an attribute at the same > time. I decided to write it in Perl because it looked so easy. And, it was. > Works like a champ. Being n

Re: Becoming Disenheartened - Everyone talks about Python and says Perl is old news.

You know, I'm kinda going through a similar thing. I wrote a script to search for users in an LDAP directory and update an attribute at the same time. I decided to write it in Perl because it looked so easy. And, it was. Works like a champ. Being new to Perl, and this was my first script, I was

Re: Becoming Disenheartened - Everyone talks about Python and says Perl is old news.

On Tuesday 28 Sep 2004 22:11, John W. Krahn wrote: > Gavin Henry wrote: > > By the way, my program now works great thanks to your sub advice. I still > > have some cleaning to do, like my resize sub abd incorporating file tests > > etc. > > > > You can see how bad my program is at: > > > > http://w

Re: Becoming Disenheartened - Everyone talks about Python and says Perl is old news.

Gavin Henry wrote: By the way, my program now works great thanks to your sub advice. I still have some cleaning to do, like my resize sub abd incorporating file tests etc. You can see how bad my program is at: http://www.perl.me.uk It's called ebaypics Advice from you in a new thread, would be very

Re: Becoming Disenheartened - Everyone talks about Python and says Perl is old news.

Gavin Henry wrote: I really like Perl, but lately everywhere I seem to go and talk to say I shouldn't be learning Perl as it's old and Python is better. Fortran, Cobol, Lisp, C and Basic are older and people still use them. There are always people who will say that X is better then Y (and people wh

Re: Becoming Disenheartened - Everyone talks about Python and says Perl is old news.

On Tue, 2004-09-28 at 13:20, Gavin Henry wrote: > I really like Perl, but lately everywhere I seem to go and talk to say I > shouldn't be learning Perl as it's old and Python is better. THese days Python is gaining support in the field. But I do think it is mainly hype. I do think it is not

Re: Becoming Disenheartened - Everyone talks about Python and says Perl is old news.

David Garamond said: > Gavin Henry wrote: >> I really like Perl, but lately everywhere I seem to go and talk to say I >> shouldn't be learning Perl as it's old and Python is better. > > My Good Lord, where have you been? Python is _already_ old news. Ruby, > baby! :-) > >> I am on the right path? >

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Wiggins d Anconia said: >> I really like Perl, but lately everywhere I seem to go and talk to say I >> shouldn't be learning Perl as it's old and Python is better. >> > > I'm impressed, come to the Midwest in the US, around here they have only > heard of M$ and Cobol. Ironically, Python is showing

Re: Becoming Disenheartened - Everyone talks about Python and says Perl is old news.

Gavin Henry wrote: I really like Perl, but lately everywhere I seem to go and talk to say I shouldn't be learning Perl as it's old and Python is better. My Good Lord, where have you been? Python is _already_ old news. Ruby, baby! :-) I am on the right path? The right path is probably to learn the

Re: Becoming Disenheartened - Everyone talks about Python and says Perl is old news.

> I really like Perl, but lately everywhere I seem to go and talk to say I > shouldn't be learning Perl as it's old and Python is better. > I'm impressed, come to the Midwest in the US, around here they have only heard of M$ and Cobol. Ironically, Python is showing its age, just look at Ruby. Of

Re: Becoming Disenheartened - Everyone talks about Python and says Perl is old news.

Paul Kraus said: >> I really like Perl, but lately everywhere I seem to go and talk to say I >> shouldn't be learning Perl as it's old and Python is better. > Lets pretend we are mechanics we have this one tool that was passed on > down from generation to generation. It is our very very very favori

Re: Becoming Disenheartened - Everyone talks about Python and says Perl is old news.

JupiterHost.Net said: > > > Gavin Henry wrote: >> I really like Perl, but lately everywhere I seem to go and talk to say I > > Me too :) > >> shouldn't be learning Perl as it's old and Python is better. > > Python is different not necessarily better. > >> Since starting to learn Perl though, every

Re: Becoming Disenheartened - Everyone talks about Python and says Perl is old news.

Gavin Henry wrote: I really like Perl, but lately everywhere I seem to go and talk to say I Me too :) shouldn't be learning Perl as it's old and Python is better. Python is different not necessarily better. Since starting to learn Perl though, every other language I started to learn/t, C, PHP etc.