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"Remember when you were teaching me how to behave in public?" Damn it Sam. He is still teaching and obviously you haven't learned anything. It is perfectly acceptable for proponents of one political ideology to say the basest things while those of the opposing ideology are not allowed to say an

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Remember when you were teaching me how to behave in public? . On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 11:10 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > Judah, > > Please don't confuse the little boy with facts. He just gets petulant and > whiny. > ~| Orde

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...@threeravensconsulting.com tel: 630-486-5255 fax: 630-310-8531 http://www.threeravensconsulting.com -Original Message- From: Jerry Barnes [mailto:critic...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 7:07 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: this is really sick &q

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"I didn't say it was acceptable, I said it was rare." It's not that rare at all. We were just examining one type of fraud. The most common is absentee ballot abuse. "Rare enough that implementing a voter ID system would cause more loss of rights that the voter fraud does." In a democratic re

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On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "How many voters are there in Minnesota? Divide that by 113 or even 225. > The > number you get I would consider rare." > > It's like I stated earlier, to those on the left, an acceptable amount of > voter fraud is just enough to allow th

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m tel: 630-486-5255 fax: 630-310-8531 http://www.threeravensconsulting.com -Original Message- From: Jerry Barnes [mailto:critic...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 6:10 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: this is really sick "How many

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"How many voters are there in Minnesota? Divide that by 113 or even 225. The number you get I would consider rare." It's like I stated earlier, to those on the left, an acceptable amount of voter fraud is just enough to allow the leftist to win. To me, it's zero. "Would you be bitching about

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How many voters are there in Minnesota? Divide that by 113 or even 225. The number you get I would consider rare. Would you be bitching about voters in Minnesota if Franken had lost by 300 votes? What do you think about Romney voting in an election in Massachusetts after he had moved to Califor

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"Both are wrong. Only the latter could be prevented with voter id, yet incidents of the former are being cited to demand voter id. " I have not heard or read of anyone citing registration fraud as a reason for voter id. I don't doubt someone has though. Probably wouldn't be a bad idea to have

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No, signing someone up that you know is not eligible is voter registration fraud. Voting when are you not eligible is voter fraud. Both are wrong. Only the latter could be prevented with voter id, yet incidents of the former are being cited to demand voter id. Actual incidents of someone commi

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g.com -Original Message- From: Jerry Barnes [mailto:critic...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 2:50 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: this is really sick "Voter registration fraud is not the same as voter fraud." Wow. Knowingly signing someone up

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"Voter registration fraud is not the same as voter fraud." Wow. Knowingly signing someone up to vote who is not eligible is not voter fraud? I disagree. So does wikipedia: Electoral fraud is illegal interference with the process of an election. Acts offraud affect vote counts to bring about

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On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > I can give you 113 convictions from one city in 2008. Those were the cases > that were prosecuted. There were many more suspected cases that were not > sent to trial or had the statute of limitations expire. Actually, that was one state,

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-Original Message- From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 10:01 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: this is really sick Voter registration fraud is not the same as voter fraud. On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > >

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Voter registration fraud is not the same as voter fraud. On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > I can give you 113 convictions from one city in 2008. Those were the cases > that were prosecuted. There were many more suspected cases that were not > sent to trial or had the st

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-Original Message- From: Jerry Barnes [mailto:critic...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 8:58 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: this is really sick "The only real issue with voter id is that its a fake issue, intended to give the republicans a w

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"The only real issue with voter id is that its a fake issue, intended to give the republicans a way of suppressing the vote of those who are most likely to vote against the Republican party. " A poll conducted by the Washington Post during July 2012 found that 74% of respondents favor voter id.

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.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 8:28 AM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: this is really sick > > > "I've always thought absentee ballets are rigged so if there was anything > that needs fixing it's the rules around sending those in." > > Absen

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m tel: 630-486-5255 fax: 630-310-8531 http://www.threeravensconsulting.com -Original Message- From: Jerry Barnes [mailto:critic...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 8:39 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: this is really sick "It basically co

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g.com -Original Message- From: Jerry Barnes [mailto:critic...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 8:28 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: this is really sick "I've always thought absentee ballets are rigged so if there was anything that ne

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"still waiting..." Me too. J - Protection of the environment has become the principal tool for attack against the West and all it stands for. Protection of the environment may be used as a pretext to adopt a series of measures designed to undermine the industrial base of developed nations. It

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still waiting... On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 8:30 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "Lets make it easy on you, 2 citations from reputable peer reviewed scientific > journals." > > Reputable? > > Uhhh. > > That would be one of the problems with these bogus studies you cite from > time to time. You would d

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"I wonder what became of that poor child" He doesn't know. Hopefully, it was adopted by a good family. Probably a good chance since it was a baby. What makes it worse is that they got to keep the baby for a month or so before it was taken. J - Ninety percent of politicians give the othe

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On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 8:05 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > My father-in-law is a single child. When he was a teenager, someone left a > baby on his family's porch with a request for them to raise the child. His > parents were well respected in the neighborhood. > > The state would not let them

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"Based on what I've seen, there is not a single state agency anywhere that is capable of removing children from their parents and actually providing decent care for them. " Absolutely. And it has become a red tape nightmare to adopt. As has been stated before, it's easier and cheaper to go to V

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On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 12:54 AM, Maureen wrote: > (and that a credit score is the Number of the Beast) > Poppycock. My credit score is 665, and it's only going up! ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.ama

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In the 7th chapter of Matthew, Jesus tells us exactly how to determine the righteous from the evil. In part: "Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits." I am convinced that those claiming most loudl

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I hope not. For the last four years, I've been working on a documentary about children who are murdered while in foster care. Based on what I've seen, there is not a single state agency anywhere that is capable of removing children from their parents and actually providing decent care for them.

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>From today, more on voter fraud: Pa. voter ID law gets approval of state judge A Pennsylvania judge ruled Wednesday that a new Republican-supported st

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Another one from the USA Today. Granted, it is an opinion piece, but has some nice facts in it. I really like the part where uber conservative Jimmy Carter recommends stronger ID requirements. Opposing view: In Texas, evidence of voter fraud abounds "The electoral system cannot inspire public

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Here is one of my favorite articles. It is from 1998. An incubent congressman lost his election by 984. Since only 748 votes were confirmed to be cast by illegal immigrants, the election stood. Awesome http://articles.cnn.com/1998-02-13/politics/cq_sanchez_1_dornans-sanchez-illegal-votes?_s=PM

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"It basically comes down to why do Republicans hate the democratic process so much, and America so much." Ughh. How much voter fraud is acceptable. For a progressive, it's just enough for their candidate to win. For me, it is none. Here are some starter links. They all have something in comm

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"Lets make it easy on you, 2 citations from reputable peer reviewed scientific journals." Reputable? Uhhh. That would be one of the problems with these bogus studies you cite from time to time. You would deem some "study" by some left wing think tank funded by George Soros as reputable. J -

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"I've always thought absentee ballets are rigged so if there was anything that needs fixing it's the rules around sending those in." Absentee ballots are currently main source of voter fraud . J - If once the people become inattentive to the public affairs, you and I, and Congress and Assemb

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"BTW Jerry thank you for demonstrating my point. What you wrote was remarkably content free of any real data or evidence." You're welcome. J - Ninety percent of politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation. - Henry Kissinger Politicians are people who, when they see light at the e

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"Please don't confuse the little boy with facts. He just gets petulant and whiny." Perfect example of a progressive being snide when he doesn't agree with something. It's like clockwork. J - I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody. - Barack Obama Whether at home o

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still waiting on the data jerry. Lets make it easy on you, 2 citations from reputable peer reviewed scientific journals. we're waiting... still waiting On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:19 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "you got data on that or are you just blowing it out your ass as usual. I > me

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BTW Jerry thank you for demonstrating my point. What you wrote was remarkably content free of any real data or evidence. On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 2:53 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "One thing I have found very interesting with conservatives and progressives > is the differences in how they discuss

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Election laws in Canada seem to be fairly reasonable regarding ID. Yes it requires a photo id. However if the person does not have an authorized photo id, a medicare card and hydro bill will do (Elections Canada give about 300 examples btw). But it gets better, if the person cannot produce the r

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://www.threeravensconsulting.com -Original Message- From: Casey Dougall - Uber Website Solutions [mailto:ca...@uberwebsitesolutions.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 10:37 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: this is really sick On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 11:08 PM, Judah McAuley

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On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 11:08 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > People pushing these > laws all admit that they cannot point to any actual historical voting > fraud to speak of and cannot point to any identifiable fraud that > would likely be prevented after passage of these laws. > Florida recount?

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-Original Message- From: Jerry Barnes [mailto:critic...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 9:20 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: this is really sick "you got data on that or are you just blowing it out your ass as usual. I mean real hard data, some citations would be nice. I'

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Judah, Please don't confuse the little boy with facts. He just gets petulant and whiny. On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:08 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 7:19 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: >> >> "you got data on that or are you just blowing it out your ass as usual. I >> mean real h

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On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 7:19 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "you got data on that or are you just blowing it out your ass as usual. I > mean real hard data, some citations would be nice. I'm waiting..." > > Do a search of cf-community and you'll find plenty of discussions based on > analysis. > > Fo

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"I can not help but think that if Jesus was around today, and did/said the same things he did as the Bible portrays, he would probably be excommunicated." Of course He would be ostracized by churches. He would call out church leaders on their hypocrisy just like he did with the Pharisees. J -

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"you got data on that or are you just blowing it out your ass as usual. I mean real hard data, some citations would be nice. I'm waiting..." Do a search of cf-community and you'll find plenty of discussions based on analysis. For an example, one is voter id. Progressives argue that it hurts min

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31 >>> http://www.threeravensconsulting.com >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Cameron Childress [mailto:camer...@gmail.com] >>> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 6:05 AM >>> To: cf-community

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On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > I have actually read the Bible...cover to covertwice. > > The thing that struck me most was that Jesus was a pretty much a shit > stirrer. He saw things happening in Jewish temples that mirror what is > happening in a lot of 'Christian

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.com >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Cameron Childress [mailto:camer...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 6:05 AM >> To: cf-community >> Subject: Re: this is really sick >> >> >> On Sun,

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btw since I'm here in minneapolis for the week i have been watching a lot of fox and cnn, mainly because network TV is such a wasteland. MSNBC isn't on this tv. Of the hysterical yelling, fox has been leading about 4 to 1. On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 2:53 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "One thing I hav

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you got data on that or are you just blowing it out your ass as usual. I mean real hard data, some citations would be nice. I'm waiting... thought so. On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 2:53 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "One thing I have found very interesting with conservatives and progressives > is t

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"Does abuse count?" How do you define abuse? Does a spanking count? "How about neglect?" How do you define neglect? Is it denying a child his xbox? "What about something that may not be out and out neglect but will result in a child being possibly harmed?" Like not buying them a new pair

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"Their church has told them they should deny equal rights to gays, for some reason or another." There is definitely something to this. Any sin makes a person unworthy of being in the presence of God. So, murdering a child, stealing a paper clip, or thinking about adultery all exclude a person f

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"One thing I have found very interesting with conservatives and progressives is the differences in how they discuss and argue things. A fair amount of research shows that generally conservatives tend to use anecdote and emotional fear based messaging, while progressives are more likely to use stud

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Every religious belief does that. They're called rituals and ritual beliefs. As for WWJD my own approach is WWFSMGAW (what would the flying spaghetti monster get away with). On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 11:01 AM, GMoney wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > >> >> It re

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One priest I know is now in Nigeria working in a leper colony. Back in Canada he was a priest for several desperately poor reserves when he was transferred to a very wealthy parish. He lasted about a year before requesting the transfer. From what I remember in his email he said he became a priest

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BTW at what point do you think the child should be apprehended from the family? You need to consider that before you start ranting about the Eville Statists Stealing Your Children! Does abuse count? How about neglect? What about something that may not be out and out neglect but will result in a c

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One thing I have found very interesting with conservatives and progressives is the differences in how they discuss and argue things. A fair amount of research shows that generally conservatives tend to use anecdote and emotional fear based messaging, while progressives are more likely to use studi

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lting.com > tel: 630-486-5255 > fax: 630-310-8531 > http://www.threeravensconsulting.com > > > -Original Message- > From: GMoney [mailto:gm0n3...@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 11:02 AM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: this is really si

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er ow...@threeravensconsulting.com tel: 630-486-5255 fax: 630-310-8531 http://www.threeravensconsulting.com -Original Message- From: GMoney [mailto:gm0n3...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 11:02 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: this is really sick O

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On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > It really depends on the person. I've met some true christians > (Unitarians mostly, although a few monks and priests/ministers as > well). I think with only a very few exceptions none have been an > evangelical or fundamentalist. > the

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-- > > -Original Message- > From: GMoney [mailto:gm0n3...@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 10:09 AM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: this is really sick > > > Uh, noYOU are. > > You are the one who asked for a means of d

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y [mailto:gm0n3...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 10:09 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: this is really sick Uh, noYOU are. You are the one who asked for a means of determination...i just offered it to you :) On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 9:58 AM, Eric Roberts < ow...@threeravensconsulting.com&g

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There are some questionnaires out in political psychology now that are pretty good in determining political preferences. Most of the time these ask the degree to which you support a particular view on a wide variety of issues. Based on that it does a pretty good job of figuring out your political

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l: 630-486-5255 > fax: 630-310-8531 > http://www.threeravensconsulting.com > > > -Original Message- > From: GMoney [mailto:gm0n3...@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 9:40 AM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: this is really sick >

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...@threeravensconsulting.com tel: 630-486-5255 fax: 630-310-8531 http://www.threeravensconsulting.com -Original Message- From: GMoney [mailto:gm0n3...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 9:40 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: this is really sick For

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On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Casey Dougall - Uber Website Solutions < ca...@uberwebsitesolutions.com> wrote: > Jesus makes it clear that even though he is in human form, he is not from > Earth. Therefore he is from somewhere else. This makes him a self-admitted > alien. If he ever comes ba

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On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Eric Roberts < ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > On the other side of that coin, who gets to decide who is a True Christian > (tm) and a True Conservative (tm)? It's a somewhat subjective label - so each individual is free to make that measurement thems

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On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 10:40 AM, GMoney wrote: > But for Christian...i have a pretty radical idea: How about we look at the > actual words that Jesus Christ spoke, and use those as a parameter? > Jesus makes it clear that even though he is in human form, he is not from Earth. Therefore he is f

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ting.com >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Cameron Childress [mailto:camer...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 6:05 AM >> To: cf-community >> Subject: Re: this is really sick >> >> >> On

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> http://www.threeravensconsulting.com > > -Original Message- > From: Cameron Childress [mailto:camer...@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 6:05 AM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: this is really sick > > > On S

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://www.threeravensconsulting.com -Original Message- From: Cameron Childress [mailto:camer...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 6:05 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: this is really sick On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 7:34 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > There's a big diffe

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On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 7:34 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > There's a big difference in calling yourself a Christian or a conservative > and actually being a Christian or a conservative. I doubt these > "conservative christians" are conservative or Christian. If we start accepting these self decla

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"Some right wing conservative christian (hah!) is advocating kidnapping the children of same sex couples. Do these idiots even have a molecule of the charity and love that Christ advocated?" There's a big difference in calling yourself a Christian or a conservative and actually being a Christian