Re: MoinMoin wikis and Debian 11+

2024-06-20 Thread Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
On 20/06/2024 08:21, Greg Wooledge wrote: As we're nearing the end of life for Debian 10, I'm still wondering what MoinMoin wiki users are supposed to do. (This includes as near as I can see from SystemInfo.) MoinMoin 1.x requires Python2, and Debian 11 and newer

Re: MoinMoin wikis and Debian 11+

2024-06-20 Thread Dan Ritter
Greg Wooledge wrote: > As we're nearing the end of life for Debian 10, I'm still wondering > what MoinMoin wiki users are supposed to do. (This includes > as near as I can see from SystemInfo.) ... > Or should we burn the entire site down, migrate to some other wiki

Re: Having ten thousands of mount bind causes various processes to go into loops

2024-06-20 Thread Richard
PS: if you maintain your own software and aren't able to find a way for your user to do shares - especially while systems that most likely have such functionality built-in out of the box surely exist, think Nextcloud etc - that is covered by how Linux is supposed to be used, by definition it's

Re: Having ten thousands of mount bind causes various processes to go into loops

2024-06-20 Thread Richard
Software is only tested to a certain degree. So mounts are tested to a sensible number, if you move outside it, you have to bet on luck if it's supported or not. At this point, I kinda doubt this issue has anything to do with Debian itself, but will most likely be an issue/limitation of the Linux

MoinMoin wikis and Debian 11+

2024-06-20 Thread Greg Wooledge
As we're nearing the end of life for Debian 10, I'm still wondering what MoinMoin wiki users are supposed to do. (This includes as near as I can see from SystemInfo.) MoinMoin 1.x requires Python2, and Debian 11 and newer don't have Python2 any more. They only have

Re: Maximum size .bash_aliases file

2024-06-20 Thread The Wanderer
On 2024-06-20 at 07:10, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Thu, Jun 20, 2024 at 21:00:38 +1000, Keith Bainbridge wrote: > >> https://manpages.debian.org/bookworm/manpages-dev/strftime.3.en.html >> >> is a list of place names for MANY parts of a date layout. I have set up the >> following code in my text

Re: Maximum size .bash_aliases file

2024-06-20 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Thu, Jun 20, 2024 at 21:00:38 +1000, Keith Bainbridge wrote: > https://manpages.debian.org/bookworm/manpages-dev/strftime.3.en.html > > is a list of place names for MANY parts of a date layout. I have set up the > following code in my text substitution app: > "%a %d%b%Y at %H:%M:%S =UTC %Z" >

Re: suggestion of upgrade to 12

2024-06-20 Thread Jeff Peng
that's nice to know. thanks for all your help. about dovecot: if you have dovecot installed from the dovecot repository, then be aware that dovecot does not (yet) provide a version for bookworm. if you have dovecot installed from the debian repository, then you should be fine. about debian:

Re: Maximum size .bash_aliases file

2024-06-20 Thread Keith Bainbridge
On 17/6/24 18:26, Keith Bainbridge wrote: It was late afternoon on 16Jun2024 that I wrote this. Possibly 18:13:36 when I pressed send. I'd reckon it would likely have been 08:13:36 UTC  What's wrong with my system clock. I've not really looked at the time on my originals before.  I'll try

Re: suggestion of upgrade to 12

2024-06-20 Thread Richard
The question with Linux isn't if there's a need to update to the latest version (of the distro) like on Windows, but rather what's keeping you from updating? If there's no urgent reason to stick to 11, update. 11 is now oldstable and will become oldoldstable mid next year. Thus, it currently

UEFI secure boot issue

2024-06-20 Thread Bhasker C V
Hi, I generated a pr/pk pair and the kernel is signed. Placed them in the kernel tree and compiled the kernel. Could someone tell me what am I doing wrong please ? Below is the status (I am using loader.efi from linuxfoundation) When i boot debian stock kernel signed, i see that the secure

Re: can't connect to eduroam due to SSL3 unsupported protocol

2024-06-20 Thread Marco Moock
Am 20.06.2024 um 11:05:10 Uhr schrieb Vincent Lefevre: > I've got a confirmation that their Radius servers still use SSL3, > and they said that they could not upgrade them. Then they have very, very outdated stuff. Talk to the security department at your site, maybe they make them hurry up.

Re: can't connect to eduroam due to SSL3 unsupported protocol

2024-06-20 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2024-06-17 15:08:54 -0400, Dan Ritter wrote: > Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > On 2024-06-17 08:26:39 -0400, Dan Ritter wrote: > > > On stable: > > > $ openssl list -disabled > > > Disabled algorithms: > > > IDEA > > > MD2 > > > MDC2 > > > RC5 > > > SCTP > > > SSL3 > > > ZLIB > > > > > > So, SSL3

Re: suggestion of upgrade to 12

2024-06-20 Thread Michael
On Thursday, June 20, 2024 5:09:35 AM CEST, Jeff Peng wrote: I am running a small mailserver with debian 11 for many years. It's quite solid. Though I have read this article: https://www.cherryservers.com/blog/debian-12-bookworm-release do you think there is any need for me to upgrade from 11

Re: System time/timezone, was Re: Maximum size .bash_aliases file

2024-06-20 Thread tomas
On Thu, Jun 20, 2024 at 01:22:31AM -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > On Thu, Jun 20, 2024 at 12:52 AM wrote: [...] > > Please, keep those three at a safe distance > > I'm not sure how you can disgorge them given they contribute to a > human readable time. I wasn't arguing to disgorge anything --

Re: System time/timezone, was Re: Maximum size .bash_aliases file

2024-06-19 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Thu, Jun 20, 2024 at 12:52 AM wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 19, 2024 at 01:01:44PM -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 19, 2024 at 7:09 AM Greg Wooledge wrote: > > [...] > > > > I strongly disagree. The system clock is kept on "epoch time", which > > > is the number of seconds since

Re: How to recover when monitor goes blank.

2024-06-19 Thread David Christensen
On 6/19/24 13:45, Ram Ramesh wrote: Hi,   I have my monitor, keyboard and mouse shared through a KVM switch. One host is Linux Debian bookworm 12.5 and another is laptop running Windows 11. When I leave KVM on the laptop side for extended period I have issues switching back to Debian side.

Re: mounting external hard drive from rescue mode shell?

2024-06-19 Thread David Christensen
On 6/19/24 12:23, Heriberto Avelino wrote: On Wed, Jun 19, 2024 at 9:04 AM Heriberto Avelino wrote: Is it possible to mount an external hard drive while running Debian in rescue mode? Furthermore, the ultimate question is how could I copy folders from the computer's hard drive to the external

Re: System time/timezone, was Re: Maximum size .bash_aliases file

2024-06-19 Thread tomas
On Wed, Jun 19, 2024 at 01:01:44PM -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > On Wed, Jun 19, 2024 at 7:09 AM Greg Wooledge wrote: [...] > > I strongly disagree. The system clock is kept on "epoch time", which > > is the number of seconds since midnight, January 1, 1970 UTC. > > > > The system clock

Re: mounting external hard drive from rescue mode shell?

2024-06-19 Thread tomas
On Wed, Jun 19, 2024 at 01:23:01PM -0600, Heriberto Avelino wrote: > Thanks Eben and David! > I am now on a shell (BusyBox v.35.0 Debian 1:1.35.0-4+b3) > I don't see the mounting points to execute cp. As far as I know, you have dmesg in the rescue shell. So the way to go would be: - insert your

Re: suggestion of upgrade to 12

2024-06-19 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Thu, Jun 20, 2024 at 11:09:35 +0800, Jeff Peng wrote: > I am running a small mailserver with debian 11 for many years. It's quite > solid. > Though I have read this article: > https://www.cherryservers.com/blog/debian-12-bookworm-release > do you think there is any need for me to upgrade from

suggestion of upgrade to 12

2024-06-19 Thread Jeff Peng
Hello, I am running a small mailserver with debian 11 for many years. It's quite solid. Though I have read this article: https://www.cherryservers.com/blog/debian-12-bookworm-release do you think there is any need for me to upgrade from 11 to 12? just for the newer software like postfix,

Re: RTC, was Re: System time/timezone

2024-06-19 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Jun 19, 2024 at 02:16:14PM -0500, Nicholas Geovanis wrote: Reading the link that Walton sent, the only case where RTC clock in UTC is recommended is in the linux/windows dual-boot case. There's no statement that RTC should be set to UTC besides that. And they say right there why it isn't

Re: dictd?

2024-06-19 Thread Max Nikulin
On 20/06/2024 00:31, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Wed, Jun 19, 2024 at 22:15:20 +0500, Stanislav Vlasov wrote: In my system mode bits on my home dir are `drwx--` so only my user have access to it. Well, yeah. That's not a default setting 0700 is the current default. See

Re: RTC, was Re: System time/timezone

2024-06-19 Thread Stefan Monnier
> If your system only boots one operating system, and never changes its > default time zone, then it makes no difference whether the RTC is set > to UTC or local time. The OS will use the same assumptions when reading > and writing to the RTC, so everything will remain correct. Of course, the

Re: RTC, was Re: System time/timezone

2024-06-19 Thread Max Nikulin
On 20/06/2024 02:16, Nicholas Geovanis wrote: Servers in data centers don't move around, they just sit there :-) So in my experience servers running anything non-windows have RTC set to local time. That's been on Red Hat/CentOS, Debian, Ubuntu. My experience with Ubuntu is that its installer

Re: System time/timezone, was Re: Maximum size .bash_aliases file

2024-06-19 Thread Stefan Monnier
>> It's *theoretically* possible for some daemons to be configured to use >> a different time zone, or to be hard-coded to use UTC. I've never seen >> this, but it could be done. > In view of that, I think it's reasonable to drop the "default", > and go with "system time zone", ie the time zone

Re: Having ten thousands of mount bind causes various processes to go into loops

2024-06-19 Thread Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
On 19/06/2024 19:06, Julien Petit wrote: It doesn't really matter where folders/mounts are. Users can share any directory (and subdirectories) in their home directory with any other user. The shared folder is mounted in the special directory "Shared with me" of the recipient home directory. I.e:

Re: Having ten thousands of mount bind causes various processes to go into loops

2024-06-19 Thread Julien Petit
> For this, probably the easiest is to set up a common directory/a few common > directories, set up proper permissions through use of groups and worst case > create some symlinks from the user's home directories, if these directories > really need to be accessible from within their home

Re: Re: Having ten thousands of mount bind causes various processes to go into loops

2024-06-19 Thread Julien Petit
> Does it really have to be in the home directory? Can't the software (and/or > the users) open files in, say, /shared/accounting? It doesn't really matter where folders/mounts are. Users can share any directory (and subdirectories) in their home directory with any other user. The shared folder

Re: Re: Having ten thousands of mount bind causes various processes to go into loops

2024-06-19 Thread Julien Petit
>> However do you need shared subtrees? > I'm gonna test the effect of setting them to private. This doesn't seem to fix the problem either

Re: mounting external hard drive from rescue mode shell?

2024-06-19 Thread eben
On 6/19/24 15:23, Heriberto Avelino wrote: I am now on a shell (BusyBox v.35.0 Debian 1:1.35.0-4+b3) There is nothing under media nor root Things mounted by the system would probably show up under /media or /mnt . Where are the internal h-drive and the external? To mount those you need

How to recover when monitor goes blank.

2024-06-19 Thread Ram Ramesh
Hi,   I have my monitor, keyboard and mouse shared through a KVM switch. One host is Linux Debian bookworm 12.5 and another is laptop running Windows 11. When I leave KVM on the laptop side for extended period I have issues switching back to Debian side. When I switch, the screen is blank

Re: Evolution & ThunderBird

2024-06-19 Thread Cindy Sue Causey
On Wed, 2024-06-19 at 15:16 -0400, Jerry Mellon wrote: > > Hello, > > New user having trouble with evolution. I think that I have it setup > correctly, but it will not login > > to my email accounts. At the bottom of screen it is scanning the email > server from my login but then >   > a box

Re: mounting external hard drive from rescue mode shell?

2024-06-19 Thread Heriberto Avelino
Thanks Eben and David! I am now on a shell (BusyBox v.35.0 Debian 1:1.35.0-4+b3) I don't see the mounting points to execute cp. There is nothing under media nor root; under usr I can see only: bin lib local sbin share. Where are the internal h-drive and the external? I would very much appreciate

Re: RTC, was Re: System time/timezone

2024-06-19 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Wed, Jun 19, 2024 at 14:16:14 -0500, Nicholas Geovanis wrote: > > > . > > Reading the link that Walton sent, the only case where RTC clock in UTC is > recommended is in the linux/windows dual-boot case. There's no statement > that RTC should be set to UTC

Evolution & ThunderBird

2024-06-19 Thread Jerry Mellon
Hello, New user having trouble with evolution. I think that I have it setup correctly, but it will not login to my email accounts. At the bottom of screen it is scanning the email server from my login but then a box pops up indicating that there was an error trying to login and asks for

Re: RTC, was Re: System time/timezone

2024-06-19 Thread Nicholas Geovanis
On Tue, Jun 18, 2024, 11:05 PM David Wright wrote: > On Tue 18 Jun 2024 at 04:12:07 (-0400), Jeffrey Walton wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 18, 2024 at 4:05 AM wrote: > > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 11:54:03PM -0500, David Wright wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > I notice that man timedatectl says: > > > >

Re: disable GUI/X?

2024-06-19 Thread Franco Martelli
On 19/06/24 at 04:24, David Chmelik wrote: How can I disable GUI/X for next boot? I just want to run it when I decide as startx/startxfce/etc. When I occasionally need to boot in the CLI instead of the GUI I boot the system in "recovery mode", it's an option of the GRUB's menu shown at

Re: dictd?

2024-06-19 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Wed, Jun 19, 2024 at 22:15:20 +0500, Stanislav Vlasov wrote: > ср, 19 июн. 2024 г. в 16:18, Greg Wooledge : > > > > > Place files to /usr/share/dictd and run `dictdconfig -w` and restart > > > > dictd service > > > > > > Thanks! I guess it doesn't work with symbolic links (symlinks) to user >

Re: dictd?

2024-06-19 Thread Stanislav Vlasov
ср, 19 июн. 2024 г. в 16:18, Greg Wooledge : > > > Place files to /usr/share/dictd and run `dictdconfig -w` and restart > > > dictd service > > > > Thanks! I guess it doesn't work with symbolic links (symlinks) to user > > directories/folders though... > > Doesn't work, how? Do you get

Re: mounting external hard drive from rescue mode shell?

2024-06-19 Thread David Christensen
On 6/19/24 08:04, Heriberto Avelino wrote: Dear all: Is it possible to mount an external hard drive while running Debian in rescue mode? Yes. Furthermore, the ultimate question is how could I copy folders from the computer's hard drive to the external one while in rescue mode? Many

Re: System time/timezone, was Re: Maximum size .bash_aliases file

2024-06-19 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Wed, Jun 19, 2024 at 7:09 AM Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 18, 2024 at 23:09:04 -0500, David Wright wrote: > > On Tue 18 Jun 2024 at 07:07:36 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 23:54:03 -0500, David Wright wrote: > > > > What should I call the timezone of my

Re: [HS] sauvegarde sur Disque Mécanique ou SSD

2024-06-19 Thread hamster
Le 19/06/2024 à 11:43, Haricophile a écrit : Le Tue, 18 Jun 2024 12:56:24 +0200, Basile Starynkevitch a écrit : Un téra-octet de données personnelles, c'est énorme. Il me semble que la seule activité numérique qui en consomme autant c'est la vidéo. En fait non, ça dépend précisément ce que

Re: mounting external hard drive from rescue mode shell?

2024-06-19 Thread eben
On 6/19/24 11:04, Heriberto Avelino wrote: Furthermore, the ultimate question is how could I copy folders from the computer's hard drive to the external one while in rescue mode? Is your computer's hard drive is already mounted? Are you comfortable in a shell? -- For is it not written,

mounting external hard drive from rescue mode shell?

2024-06-19 Thread Heriberto Avelino
Dear all: Is it possible to mount an external hard drive while running Debian in rescue mode? Furthermore, the ultimate question is how could I copy folders from the computer's hard drive to the external one while in rescue mode? Many thanks!! Heriberto

Re: Having ten thousands of mount bind causes various processes to go into loops

2024-06-19 Thread Richard
For this, probably the easiest is to set up a common directory/a few common directories, set up proper permissions through use of groups and worst case create some symlinks from the user's home directories, if these directories really need to be accessible from within their home directories.

Re: [HS] sauvegarde sur Disque Mécanique ou SSD

2024-06-19 Thread Haricophile
Le Tue, 18 Jun 2024 12:56:24 +0200, Basile Starynkevitch a écrit : > Un téra-octet de données personnelles, c'est énorme. Il me semble que > la seule activité numérique qui en consomme autant c'est la vidéo. En fait non, ça dépend précisément ce que tu sauvegarde, et il ne faut pas penser que

Re: Having ten thousands of mount bind causes various processes to go into loops

2024-06-19 Thread Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
On 19/06/2024 05:46, Julien Petit wrote: Rights are not the challenge here. It's to be able to share a directory across multiple users. For instance you would have : /users/bob/accounting shared with Alice and accessible in her home directory /users/alice/accounting Does it really have to be

Re: dictd?

2024-06-19 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Wed, Jun 19, 2024 at 07:51:34 -, David Chmelik wrote: > On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 10:29:58 +0500, Stanislav Vlasov wrote: > > ср, 19 июн. 2024 г. в 06:53, David Chmelik : > >> How can I add a dictionary (I have dictionary.dict.gz & > >> dictionary.index) > >> to dictd? Apparently doesn't work

Re: System time/timezone, was Re: Maximum size .bash_aliases file

2024-06-19 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, Jun 18, 2024 at 23:09:04 -0500, David Wright wrote: > On Tue 18 Jun 2024 at 07:07:36 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 23:54:03 -0500, David Wright wrote: > > > What should I call the timezone of my computer when it's booted up and > > > no users are logged in? > >

Re: disable GUI/X?

2024-06-19 Thread Dan Ritter
David Chmelik wrote: > On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 08:47:58 +0200, tomas wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 19, 2024 at 04:39:50AM -, David Chmelik wrote: > >> On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 22:39:15 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: > >> > David Chmelik composed on 2024-06-19 02:24 (UTC): > >> > > >> >> How can I disable GUI/X

Re: disable GUI/X?

2024-06-19 Thread Felix Miata
David Chmelik composed on 2024-06-19 08:40 (UTC): > On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 01:06:04 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: >> Slackware uses 4 instead of 5 but otherwise is the same, and still >> focused on SysV. > That's what I wish I could've set in Debian. Ask in a Devuan forum. By now I would suppose they

Re: disable GUI/X?

2024-06-19 Thread Toni Mas Soler
El Wed, 19 Jun 2024 08:47:58 +0200 va escriure el següent: > On Wed, Jun 19, 2024 at 04:39:50AM -, David Chmelik wrote: > > On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 22:39:15 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: > > > > > David Chmelik composed on 2024-06-19 02:24 (UTC): > > > > > >> How can I disable GUI/X for next

Re: Having ten thousands of mount bind causes various processes to go into loops

2024-06-19 Thread Julien Petit
> Does it have some logic to avoid descending into bind mounts? Maybe I am > wrong with my expectation that it does not use anything besides st_dev from > stat result. It may be promising case to demonstrate the issue in a way > independent of systemd and sandboxing. You can obtain command line

Re: Having ten thousands of mount bind causes various processes to go into loops

2024-06-19 Thread Julien Petit
> Just to learn about it. > What about using acl rather than bind mounts? What should be the > problem in this solution? As i said to Richard, rights are not the challenge here. It's to be able to share a directory across multiple users. For instance you would have : /users/bob/accounting shared

Re: Having ten thousands of mount bind causes various processes to go into loops

2024-06-19 Thread Julien Petit
> If there's a better way should be judged on what exactly that app expects. > For the web interface, maybe the http server - or whatever makes the web > interface accessible to the users - can limit permissions. For the rest of > the use cases it would be interesting which circumstances would

Re: disable GUI/X?

2024-06-19 Thread Hans
Just remove any login-manager like gdm, kdm, sddm and lightdm. For testing purposes, you can eaily remove the binaries below /usr/bin/ to somewhere, for example to /root/. Then reboot and it will not boot into X. Startx will work. And if this is not what you want, just move the binaries back

Re: disable GUI/X?

2024-06-19 Thread David Chmelik
On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 08:47:58 +0200, tomas wrote: > On Wed, Jun 19, 2024 at 04:39:50AM -, David Chmelik wrote: >> On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 22:39:15 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: >> > David Chmelik composed on 2024-06-19 02:24 (UTC): >> > >> >> How can I disable GUI/X for next boot? I just want to run

Re: disable GUI/X?

2024-06-19 Thread David Chmelik
On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 22:54:00 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Tue, Jun 18, 2024 at 22:39:15 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: >> David Chmelik composed on 2024-06-19 02:24 (UTC): >> > How can I disable GUI/X for next boot? I just want to run it when I >> > decide as startx/startxfce/etc. >> >> #

Re: disable GUI/X?

2024-06-19 Thread David Chmelik
On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 01:06:04 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: > David Chmelik composed on 2024-06-19 04:39 (UTC): >> On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 22:39:15 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: >>> David Chmelik composed on 2024-06-19 02:24 (UTC): How can I disable GUI/X for next boot? I just want to run it when I

Re: dictd?

2024-06-19 Thread David Chmelik
On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 10:29:58 +0500, Stanislav Vlasov wrote: > ср, 19 июн. 2024 г. в 06:53, David Chmelik : >> How can I add a dictionary (I have dictionary.dict.gz & >> dictionary.index) >> to dictd? Apparently doesn't work same as on *BSD UNIX & Slackware >> GNU/ Linux... > > man dictd: >

Re: disable GUI/X?

2024-06-19 Thread tomas
On Wed, Jun 19, 2024 at 04:39:50AM -, David Chmelik wrote: > On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 22:39:15 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: > > > David Chmelik composed on 2024-06-19 02:24 (UTC): > > > >> How can I disable GUI/X for next boot? I just want to run it when I > >> decide as startx/startxfce/etc. > >

Re: dictd?

2024-06-18 Thread Stanislav Vlasov
ср, 19 июн. 2024 г. в 06:53, David Chmelik : > How can I add a dictionary (I have dictionary.dict.gz & dictionary.index) > to dictd? Apparently doesn't work same as on *BSD UNIX & Slackware GNU/ > Linux... man dictd: /usr/share/dictd The default directory for dictd

Re: [HS] sauvegarde sur Disque Mécanique ou SSD

2024-06-18 Thread Pierre Malard
SSD : Avantages : rapidité IO, consommation électrique, pas de pièces en mouvement Inconvénients : nombre de IO limitée (entre 100.000 et 300.000 stricte), coût HDD : Avantages : coût, enregistrement magnétique permanent, durée de vie aléatoire Inconvénients : consommation électrique, chaleur,

Re: disable GUI/X?

2024-06-18 Thread Felix Miata
David Chmelik composed on 2024-06-19 04:39 (UTC): > On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 22:39:15 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: >> David Chmelik composed on 2024-06-19 02:24 (UTC): >>> How can I disable GUI/X for next boot? I just want to run it when I >>> decide as startx/startxfce/etc. >> # systemctl

Re: network question

2024-06-18 Thread Marco Moock
Am Wed, 19 Jun 2024 10:14:32 +0800 schrieb Jeff Peng : > when my server is a vps who has floating IP (that means, the server's > iP is an internal IP, the public ip is bond on provider's > router/firewall devices), then my ssh client connecting to the server > will never disconnect even if I

Re: disable GUI/X?

2024-06-18 Thread David Chmelik
On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 22:39:15 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: > David Chmelik composed on 2024-06-19 02:24 (UTC): > >> How can I disable GUI/X for next boot? I just want to run it when I >> decide as startx/startxfce/etc. > > # systemctl get-default # reports bootup state # systemctl set-default >

Re: System time/timezone, was Re: Maximum size .bash_aliases file

2024-06-18 Thread tomas
On Tue, Jun 18, 2024 at 11:02:58PM -0500, David Wright wrote: [...] > > >set-timezone [TIMEZONE] > > >Set the system time zone [...] [...] > > I cringe a bit when I see that. > > See what, exactly? I can see three things, potentially. Especially that bit with the "system

Re: System time/timezone, was Re: Maximum size .bash_aliases file

2024-06-18 Thread David Wright
On Tue 18 Jun 2024 at 07:07:36 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 23:54:03 -0500, David Wright wrote: > > What should I call the timezone of my computer when it's booted up and > > no users are logged in? > > Daemons will almost always use the system's default time zone (the

RTC, was Re: System time/timezone

2024-06-18 Thread David Wright
On Tue 18 Jun 2024 at 04:12:07 (-0400), Jeffrey Walton wrote: > On Tue, Jun 18, 2024 at 4:05 AM wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 11:54:03PM -0500, David Wright wrote: > > > [...] > > > I notice that man timedatectl says: > > > > > >set-timezone [TIMEZONE] > > >Set the

Re: System time/timezone, was Re: Maximum size .bash_aliases file

2024-06-18 Thread David Wright
On Tue 18 Jun 2024 at 10:04:45 (+0200), to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 11:54:03PM -0500, David Wright wrote: > > On Mon 17 Jun 2024 at 19:40:30 (+0200), to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 01:20:53PM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > [...] > > > > > Time zones

Re: testing, various tmpfs /run directories, df -x tmpfs

2024-06-18 Thread David Wright
On Tue 18 Jun 2024 at 19:29:31 (-0400), songbird wrote: > "df -x tmpfs" does the magic and gives me the better view that is > more useful. FWIW I define dfree as: df --output=source,ipcent,fstype,size,used,avail,pcent,target -B 100 -x tmpfs -x devtmpfs -x fuse.portal | sed -E 's/([^ ]

Re: disable GUI/X?

2024-06-18 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, Jun 18, 2024 at 22:39:15 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: > David Chmelik composed on 2024-06-19 02:24 (UTC): > > > How can I disable GUI/X for next boot? I just want to run it when I > > decide as startx/startxfce/etc. > > # systemctl get-default # reports bootup state > # systemctl

Re: disable GUI/X?

2024-06-18 Thread Felix Miata
David Chmelik composed on 2024-06-19 02:24 (UTC): > How can I disable GUI/X for next boot? I just want to run it when I > decide as startx/startxfce/etc. # systemctl get-default # reports bootup state # systemctl set-default graphical.target sets GUI as default state # systemctl set-default

disable GUI/X?

2024-06-18 Thread David Chmelik
How can I disable GUI/X for next boot? I just want to run it when I decide as startx/startxfce/etc.

dictd

2024-06-18 Thread David Chmelik
How can I add a dictionary (I have dictionary.dict.gz & dictionary.index) to dictd?

network question

2024-06-18 Thread Jeff Peng
may I ask a network question? when my server is a vps who has floating IP (that means, the server's iP is an internal IP, the public ip is bond on provider's router/firewall devices), then my ssh client connecting to the server will never disconnect even if I changed my local gateway (for

dictd?

2024-06-18 Thread David Chmelik
How can I add a dictionary (I have dictionary.dict.gz & dictionary.index) to dictd? Apparently doesn't work same as on *BSD UNIX & Slackware GNU/ Linux...

NVIDIA drivers issue: Bug that keeps presenting on kernel 6.1.0-21

2024-06-18 Thread Daniel Rodriguez
Hello team, by installing NVIDIA drivers as per the guideline of Debian on Debian 12, it shows an error as follows: Building initial module for 6.1.0-21-amd64 > readelf: Error: Not an ELF file - it has the wrong magic bytes at the start > readelf: Error: Not an ELF file - it has the wrong magic

testing, various tmpfs /run directories, df -x tmpfs

2024-06-18 Thread songbird
recent bloat of tmpfs /run/{blah} looks horrible whenever i check the status of my file systems. it would be much better if those all went under just one tmpfs. luckily there is an option for that so i'll alias df with that option included. :) = Filesystem Size Used Avail

Documentation improvement (optical and USB install media)

2024-06-18 Thread Dan Ritter
Nobody is advocating removing the optical disk media options. There are no plans to do so, that I am aware of. Planning to do so would not make sense, since the current build process happily produces images suitable for both optical disks and USB filesystem devices. All the discussion has

Re: [HS] sauvegarde sur Disque Mécanique ou SSD

2024-06-18 Thread Miquel Demur
https://www.lemagit.fr/conseil/Pourquoi-les-sauvegardes-sur-bandes-redeviennent-populaires

Re: [HS] sauvegarde sur Disque Mécanique ou SSD

2024-06-18 Thread Sébastien Dinot
MERLIN Philippe a écrit : > Mon besoin un disque d'un 1 To disque mécanique ou SSD ? Savoir s'il vaut mieux utiliser un disque mécanique ou un disque électronique (SSD / NVMe) est un troll interminable, qui fait passer les gens à côté du point essentiel : tout matériel est intrinsèquement

Re: CD/DVD is obsolete or deprecate at 2025?

2024-06-18 Thread James H. H. Lampert
On 6/18/24 10:01 AM, John Hasler wrote: JHHL writes: Some of us still prefer physical media Do you mean read-only media? All media are physical. No, I mean physical media as opposed to downloads. Application software, I've resigned myself to downloads, although as I said, I am not happy

Re: CD/DVD is obsolete or deprecate at 2025?

2024-06-18 Thread Karen Lewellen
Freely owning I have not followed this entire thread, I simply wish to add a couple of points. First, Linux is, or was represented to me, to reflect choices. Those included many paths to incorporating the system, allowing an individual to use the equipment they have right now to draw upon

Re: [HS] sauvegarde sur Disque Mécanique ou SSD

2024-06-18 Thread Dethegeek
Tu as toujours un risque. Ou alors tu passes sur bande. Ça c'est réputé assez increvable Le mar. 18 juin 2024 à 19:12, Miquel Demur a écrit : > Bonjour, > > J'avais lu que le disque SSD était plus fragile à la chaleur; mais le HDD > est d'une haute technologie fragile. > quelle est la part dans

Re: [HS] sauvegarde sur Disque Mécanique ou SSD

2024-06-18 Thread Miquel Demur
Bonjour, J'avais lu que le disque SSD était plus fragile à la chaleur; mais le HDD est d'une haute technologie fragile. quelle est la part dans le risque de perdre des données entre le HDD et le SSD ? Avec mes remerciements,

Re: CD/DVD is obsolete or deprecate at 2025?

2024-06-18 Thread John Hasler
JHHL writes: > Some of us still prefer physical media Do you mean read-only media? All media are physical. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA

Re: CD/DVD is obsolete or deprecate at 2025?

2024-06-18 Thread James H. H. Lampert
On 6/17/24 7:44 PM, Thomas Dineen wrote: No! Some of us want to keep using DVD and not be pushed away What he said. Might I humbly suggest that this whole thread title is provocative, alarming, and maybe even a little inflamatory? Some of us still prefer physical media, whether in the form

Re: CD/DVD is obsolete or deprecate at 2025?

2024-06-18 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, George at Clug wrote: > I have never been able to use .jigdo or understand jigdo, sadly I do not > know how to use them. ISOs I understand. Go by "cd" into a directory where you have enough space to store the ISO and try this:

Re: CD/DVD is obsolete or deprecate at 2025?

2024-06-18 Thread George at Clug
On Wednesday, 19-06-2024 at 00:08 Thomas Schmitt wrote: > Hi, > > George at Clug wrote: > > 1) I use DVD ISO images to create a bootable USB flash drive. Super easy to > > do. I do not know how to do this with BD images, so if you do, please let me > > know. > > # ls -hal /dev/sd* > > # cp

Re: [HS] sauvegarde sur Disque Mécanique ou SSD

2024-06-18 Thread Frederic Zulian
Bonjour, A chacun ses besoins et ses préférences. 2 exemples : - Pro, PC clients (SSD) ---> Serveur fichiers (Raid 5 DD mécaniques) > NAS (Raid 2 mécaniques) --> SSD, Sauvegarde incrémentale tous les mois (conservé dans un coffre, connecté uniquement pour le temps des sauvegardes). -

Re: CD/DVD is obsolete or deprecate at 2025?

2024-06-18 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, George at Clug wrote: > 1) I use DVD ISO images to create a bootable USB flash drive. Super easy to > do. I do not know how to do this with BD images, so if you do, please let me > know. > # ls -hal /dev/sd* > # cp CentOS-7-x86_64-Everything-2009.iso /dev/sdf As far as Debian amd64 ISOs are

Re: [HS] sauvegarde sur Disque Mécanique ou SSD

2024-06-18 Thread Dethegeek
Pour aller encore plus loin que ce se dit Pierre, si tu la criticité est telle que tu as besoin de RAID pour tes sauvegardes, tu dois aussi mettre en place un plan de simulation de restauration des sauvegardes. En effet c'est assez frustrant de de rendre compte que ta sauvegarde n'est pas valide

Re: Instant flush to file

2024-06-18 Thread Michael Kjörling
On 18 Jun 2024 21:17 +0800, from j...@tls-mail.com (Jeff Peng): > I ask this b/c some commands following echo cannot run well. > > Such as, > > echo … >> dove.db > doveadm create mailbox from dove.db > > Sometimes it succeeds. Sometimes it fails. > > If I add a line like this: > > echo … >>

Re: [HS] sauvegarde sur Disque Mécanique ou SSD

2024-06-18 Thread Pierre Malard
Bonjour, Il y a 2 choses à regarder pour monter une solution de sauvegarde : La durabilité des disques La solidité de l’espace dédié Il est certain que tout ce qui est SSD est + rapide mais ils ont la mauvaise habitude d’avoir une durée de vie très limitée en terme I/O (100.000 il me semble).

Re: CD/DVD is obsolete or deprecate at 2025?

2024-06-18 Thread George at Clug
On Tuesday, 18-06-2024 at 09:44 Vitold S wrote: > Good news everyone, > > Sorry that the question may have already been clarified earlier, but I am > not a regular member of the user mailing list, so I ask it again. > > Every time I download the Debian image, I am faced with a moral disorder >

Re: Instant flush to file

2024-06-18 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, Jun 18, 2024 at 21:17:07 +0800, Jeff Peng wrote: > After write to file with bash shell like: > > echo … > file > echo … >> file > > Is it possible the file get no update instantly? No. Each of those commands opens the file (the first one opens it for write, the second opens it for

Re: CD/DVD is obsolete or deprecate at 2025?

2024-06-18 Thread Stefan Monnier
> And some of the BIOSes of old PCs are not able to boot from USB... Indeed, tho I suspect those machines are 20 years old or more (at least, all my machines that are <20 years old support booting from a USB key drive, while of the two older machines I have (both 21 years old), one of them

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