andynormancx;518218 Wrote:
I'd agree, that would be easy if that was how it worked...
But that isn't how it works. To get to this state all I did was create
the three sync sets.
Taking the Upstairs set as an example, the dropdown lists are as
follows:
Kitchen - Unsyncronized or
andynormancx;518272 Wrote:
You can do that with the Other Players plugin, works very well. Just go
to the new player, select the player you want to move the playlist from.
Also, the GrabPlaylist plugin does a similar thing.
http://www.koldware.com/SlimStuff/GrabPlaylist.zip
Eric
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I'll agree that the native sync UI could be more intuitive and have
installed OtherPlayers, however, now that I'm familiar with the native
UI I use it 95% of the time.
On the subject of master volume, it hasn't been an issue - when the
phone rings I hit pause. I do the home office thing so
I have now filed three enhancement request.
Please read, comment and vote :)
Bug 15848 - Improve synchronization user interaction - Managing
devices
https://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15848
Bug 15849 - Improve synchronization user interaction - Managing volume
control
Bug 15848 - Improve synchronization user interaction - Managing devices
https://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15848
has already been killed as a duplicate of
https://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6806
A bug from January 2008 with status Future. EDIT. I think that is a
shame, since
Muele;523468 Wrote:
Bug 15848 - Improve synchronization user interaction - Managing devices
https://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15848
has already been killed as a duplicate of
https://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6806
A bug from January 2008 with status Future. EDIT. I
pippin;523470 Wrote:
Then add them to the old one. No need to have redundant bugs in the db,
doesn't really help either.
You are of course right. No point in having two bugs about the same
issue.
I just felt a slight annoyance that the request I filed only survived
about as log as it took to
This wasn't about dropping VFD device support but the other way around
that these feature in OtherPlayers is ONLY available on VFD devices
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tcutting;520649 Wrote:
I would say an alarm should be specific to a particular player. An
alarm event should cause that player to be disconnected from it's sync
group and the alarm apply to only that player.
I think that should be optional or at least it should return to the
sync group when
So we have touched upon three areas: setiing up sync groups, managing
volume and alarm behavior.
Could we dwell a bit more on the alarm behavior? What is most desirable
behavior. (Are there several posible behaviors that should be posible to
choose from in the SBS settings?)
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I would say an alarm should be specific to a particular player. An
alarm event should cause that player to be disconnected from it's sync
group and the alarm apply to only that player.
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Mnyb;520198 Wrote:
Let's say I want to lower the volume on one player but i synced all my
players together to one of them ok.
Now to independently change to volume at one player which is my use
case now .
I have to to switch player with my controller to get to the individual
players
sebp;520661 Wrote:
You guys should really test the OtherPlayers plugin! :D
I use it, it does not solve all problems you still have to switch
player
And the this plugins ability controll other players volume does not
extend to controller menu.
On an SB3 or BOOM you can controll another
Muele;520629 Wrote:
So we have touched upon three areas: setiing up sync groups, managing
volume and alarm behavior.
Could we dwell a bit more on the alarm behavior? What is most desirable
behavior. (Are there several posible behaviors that should be posible to
choose from in the SBS
Mnyb;520664 Wrote:
And the this plugins ability controll other players volume does not
extend to controller menu.
On an SB3 or BOOM you can controll another players volume, but not with
the controller
My bad, you're right, the Squeezeplay UI isn't as complete as the VFD
one.
But I guess it
sebp;520671 Wrote:
My bad, you're right, the Squeezeplay UI isn't as complete as the VFD
one.
But I guess it shouldn't be that hard to add this feature to the
plugin...
It's my fav plugin moving the playlist around with me :)
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Muele;518064 Wrote:
Maybe also leave out the VFD based devices as their limited
visualization makes it hard to do the massive improvement that is
needed. I don't own one, so I may be wrong. But my own focus will be on
squeezeplay devices with a wheel/knob.Well, I would argue that the VFD
Yes I did. I am running SuncOptions 2.1.31. And yes I did enable volume
syncing. But it didn't work when I tried adjusting the volume on one of
the players that was synced.
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Hm, this sounds like you should contact Peter.
BTW, here's the original thread around it:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=70903
Maybe there's some error in the ipeng:1 logic so that the plugin is
_always_ being disabled if you use the CLI command?
Or did you probably try within
Just tried it again. Works for me. With the Controller, too.
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'Tis a darn shame the thread got pulled so far off topic...
Hmm... or did it. Is the answer to just leave the sync UI as it is and
leave it up to 3rd party to make a decent interface?
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BR Mogens
1 Radio, 2 Controllers, 2 Receivers, 1 Squeezeplay. Served by an old
800 mhz IBM T21
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 7:28 AM, Muele
muele.46w3w01267018...@no-mx.forums.slimdevices.com wrote:
'Tis a darn shame the thread got pulled so far off topic...
Hmm... or did it. Is the answer to just leave the sync UI as it is and
leave it up to 3rd party to make a decent interface?
I've been
Ben Sandee;520095 Wrote:
I think for most people (the non-vocal majority) the
sync interface is good enough because you set it up once and just
leave it alone.
Well, frankly, I _DO_ change volume on my players several times a day.
Even synced ones.
And I don't think changing volume is a rare
Ben Sandee;520095 Wrote:
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 7:28 AM, Muele
Muele.46w3w01267018202 (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com
wrote:
'Tis a darn shame the thread got pulled so far off topic...
Hmm... or did it. Is the answer to just leave the sync UI as it is
and
leave it up to
Ben Sandee;520095 Wrote:
I've been using the SqueezeCenter sync interface as-is for years now
and, frankly, I dont see where all the complaints are coming from and I
don't think it's really fair to imply that the current UI is not even
decent. I think for most people (the non-vocal
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 8:30 AM, Mnyb
mnyb.46w6rb1267021...@no-mx.forums.slimdevices.com wrote:
Yes but you don't set it up once ! You change sync depending of
situation.
Who does set it up once ? normal use IS constantly changing sync ?
You don't want music in every room all the time, that
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 8:02 AM, pippin
pippin.46w5gn1267020...@no-mx.forums.slimdevices.com wrote:
Ben Sandee;520095 Wrote:
I think for most people (the non-vocal majority) the
sync interface is good enough because you set it up once and just
leave it alone.
Well, frankly, I _DO_ change
Ben Sandee;520112 Wrote:
I think that volume syncing is a feature that goes beyond what a
decent implementation must have.
Then I think you simply haven't seen a good one, yet.
Feels very natural with iPeng and is actually a big selling point for
Sonos.
It's one of those very, very rare
pippin;520135 Wrote:
Then I think you simply haven't seen a good one, yet.
Feels very natural with iPeng and is actually a big selling point for
Sonos.
You don't have to see one to understand the concept, which is simple
enough. For my purposes (and apparently Ben's), local control of volume
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 10:26 AM, pippin
pippin.46wc4n1267028...@no-mx.forums.slimdevices.com wrote:
Then I think you simply haven't seen a good one, yet.
Feels very natural with iPeng and is actually a big selling point for
Sonos.
Even if I saw the best implementation ever I wouldn't use it
aubuti;520145 Wrote:
Obviously your purposes are different and that's fine, but please don't
play it as if only you have seen one.
Actually, I'm not so sure. I believe it's the same as the 90% of people
who come in with a why would I want to stream to a 2nd room when they
first think about
Ben Sandee;520146 Wrote:
The thread houses a discussion about a poor, useless,
non-functional UI and I just wanted to point out that it's not
really helpful or accurate language.
The thread is about suggestion on how to improve sync UI especially on
controller and maybe radio.
Note: this
I guess it depends very much on how many live and use the system.
We are 5 in the household of which 3 are old enough to be using the
system actively.
Usually nothing is synced and noone but me has been able to manage
sync.
When I'm home alone I like to sync everything and listen to music at a
Let's say I want to lower the volume on one player but i synced all my
players together to one of them ok.
Now to independently change to volume at one player which is my use
case now .
I have to to switch player with my controller to get to the individual
players volume !?
Therefore I'm
I agree with that statement. I will even go further to say that you
should be able to sync any two or more players from the
controller/player without have to be one of them. And thereby I
introduce a third version of yours two possibilities where you first
choose the player you want to sync with
Kuben72;520208 Wrote:
I agree with that statement. I will even go further to say that you
should be able to sync any two or more players from the
controller/player without have to be one of them. And thereby I
introduce a third version of yours two possibilities where you first
choose the
Kuben72;520208 Wrote:
I agree with that statement. I will even go further to say that you
should be able to sync any two or more players from the
controller/player without have to be one of them. And thereby I
introduce a third version of yours two possibilities where you first
choose the
I believe what iPeng does on the sync and the volume access could be
done on the controller as well:
1. Sync.
- offer a list of all players and allow to check some of them with a
check mark
- selecting a sync menu (or pressing + or something) gets you to a menu
which shows the different players
I forgot if a better UI to actually sync players is done:
It solves a 1/3 of the problem which still leaves Alarm and Volume
handling to creative solutions .
Alarm handling is my real problem I don't want it to blare out of all
players.
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bburroughs;519636 Wrote:
I recently got a second squeezebox, and have had my first chance to play
with sync. I've got a duet and an SB3, and actually find the existing
sync interface to be much more usable than I expected, considering all
the complaints people seem to have about it. However,
pippin;519632 Wrote:
You should try the SyncOptions plugin (or iPeng, of course :) ).
Why?? SyncOption doesn't deal with volume. It is a small plugin that
has a few extensions for synchronisation.
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Kuben72 Wrote:
Why?? SyncOption doesn't deal with volume. It is a small plugin that
has a few extensions for synchronisation.
Yes it does.
Try the current version.
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pippin;519877 Wrote:
Yes it does.
Try the current version.
I am. Version 2.1.28. I even checked Peters website. Latest version was
2.1.28 or am I missing something here?
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Hm, maybe I'm missing something and it was a beta. Will check.
I DO have a SyncOptions plugin that syncs volume and I had some
discussion (and changes) with Peter on how to make this compatible with
iPeng's volume syncing.
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pippin;519904 Wrote:
Hm, maybe I'm missing something and it was a beta. Will check.
I DO have a SyncOptions plugin that syncs volume and I had some
discussion (and changes) with Peter on how to make this compatible with
iPeng's volume syncing.
That sounds just great. If Peter is willing I
Try his testing repo:
http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/slim7/repodata-test.xml
It's 2.1.31
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In Peters test catalogue I found version 2.1.31 and it has the settings
for handling volume syncing, but as far as I can see it is not
implemented yet. To bad. I have been looking for this for a long time.
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1 Duet, 1 SBR, 1 SB3 and 1 Boom
Or it's not working. At least not from a controller.
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Did you use the testing repo?
You have to enable volume syncing in the settings in the web interface
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So basically what is requested is something like The Synchronizer
plugin.
I have now installed it. It works, gets the job done. I will now
replace SB's own sync on my main menu. But I really think it should be
core functionality. Sync is a main differentiator and shouldn't rely on
users fiddling
Also we need master volume vs player volume .
Syncing volume means that each player gets the exact same numerical
value for volume this is probably the most wrong setting you can have.
This only works if you gain stage and calibrate all your sb's/stereos to
your boom's typical level ;)
Mnyb;519612 Wrote:
Also we need master volume vs player volume .
Syncing volume means that each player gets the exact same numerical
value for volume this is probably the most wrong setting you can have.
This only works if you gain stage and calibrate all your sb's/stereos to
your boom's
I recently got a second squeezebox, and have had my first chance to play
with sync. I've got a duet and an SB3, and actually find the existing
sync interface to be much more usable than I expected, considering all
the complaints people seem to have about it. However, my main complaint
is that
andynormancx;518221 Wrote:
Some experimentation suggests that you are right. My point however was
that the UI on first encounter is completely baffling and the average
new user would never even do the experiments to find out how it worked.
The ui would benefit from one of those i info
tcutting;518311 Wrote:
When you say Duet do you mean the Receiver (which should work just
fine) or the Controller, which wouldn't surprise me at all if it has
issues as audio playback on the controller is hit-an-miss anyway, isn't
officially supported, and I don't think has ever been
erland;518067 Wrote:
...some kind of zone concept, I suppose this might be the same as what
you call sync groups.
Yes, thats what I meant. You just formulate it a whole lot better than
me :)
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BR Mogens
1 Radio, 2 Controllers, 2 Receivers, 1 Squeezeplay. Served by an old
800
What Muele and Erland describe is pretty much how I use The Synchronizer
plugin. I have several sync groups or zones defined, with a given player
designated as the 'master' of each. Players can be in more than one sync
group, which is especially useful for my Boom, which divides its time
between
I don't think it is features really that is the main issue here, it is
understandability and usability.
I've just installed the The Synchronizer plugin and even though I'm
software developer myself I can't begin to fathom how the web UI side of
it actually works. The setting up of sync sets has
I have never used this before but it seems simple to me. You have Sync
Sets and you say which of your players are in each sync set. Currently
nothing is set. But if you wanted Office and Radio synced to Kitchen in
the Downstairs sync group then click the menu item for them and set it
to sync (in
Chunkywizard;518216 Wrote:
I have never used this before but it seems simple to me. You have Sync
Sets and you say which of your players are in each sync set. Currently
nothing is set. But if you wanted Office and Radio synced to Kitchen in
the Downstairs sync group then click the menu item
Set Office and Internet Radio to Kitchen would be my guess. You point at
the master.
CW
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*Plugins:* Dynamic Playlists 2.8.1 | SQL
Chunkywizard;518219 Wrote:
Set Office and Internet Radio to Kitchen would be my guess. You point at
the master.
Some experimentation suggests that you are right. My point however was
that the UI on first encounter is completely baffling and the average
new user would never even do the
To add to my confusion, now that I've started experimenting with The
Synchronizer some of the other sync behaviour seems to have changed, for
the worse. Everytime I switch player in the web UI all my synced players
get unsynced.
I'm guessing that isn't the expected behaviour ?
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andynormancx;518212 Wrote:
I don't think it is features really that is the main issue here, it is
understandability and usability.
Okay. It has been a while since I set up my sync groups, so to be
honest I don't remember the UI for setting it up at all. I'll take a
look again, but obviously
And in some cases switching between players stops play back on all
players, all very odd and confusing.
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Yes, it will. Yes, all of them. Yes, SoftSqueeze as well. What ?
I SAID ALL OF THEM !
andynormancx's
I haven't heard of the synchonrization plugin before...I'll have to
check it out.
I like the ideas presented here. What I would also like to see is a
sort of follow me feature. This is more of a playlist transfer
feature, but it could use sync functionality to make it work.
On weekends I
maggior;518269 Wrote:
I haven't heard of the synchonrization plugin before...I'll have to
check it out.
I like the ideas presented here. What I would also like to see is a
sort of follow me feature. This is more of a playlist transfer
feature, but it could use sync functionality to make
maggior;518269 Wrote:
I like the ideas presented here. What I would also like to see is a
sort of follow me feature. This is more of a playlist transfer
feature, but it could use sync functionality to make it work.
On weekends I quite often find myself listening to music in one room
See that's what I love about Squeezebox.
Someone presents a need, and BANG there are already plugins that does
it - brilliant.
It's brilliant because the deafult userinterface doesn't need to be
crowded with features only a few people use, but if You have a need,
chances are there is a plugin
Letten;518281 Wrote:
It's brilliant because the deafult userinterface doesn't need to be
crowded with features only a few people use, but if You have a need,
chances are there is a plugin that does it for You.
You are right about the plugins but wrong about the default interface.
The
Most important thing for me would be to get the synch between a *Duet*
and a *Boom* working reliably. There are issues, every time I play
theese two products synched, in 7.4.1.
I am happy with the ability to synch SB3 and Boom. I am pretty sure the
Duet is the culprit these days: they get out of
andynormancx;518272 Wrote:
You can do that with the Other Players plugin, works very well. Just go
to the new player, select the player you want to move the playlist from.
Wow, this is really cool - thanks for letting me know about it! I
should keep more up-to-date on what plugins are
pablolie;518284 Wrote:
Most important thing for me would be to get the synch between a *Duet*
and a *Boom* working reliably. There are issues, every time I play
theese two products synched, in 7.4.1.
That's odd, I've never had any sync issues between my Duet Receiver and
my three Booms,
pablolie;518284 Wrote:
Most important thing for me would be to get the synch between a *Duet*
and a *Boom* working reliably. There are issues, every time I play
theese two products synched, in 7.4.1.
I am happy with the ability to synch SB3 and Boom. I am pretty sure the
Duet is the
andynormancx;518309 Wrote:
That's odd, I've never had any sync issues between my Duet Receiver and
my three Booms, always rock solid.
Same here. Some with Radio in 7.4 but never with Boom.
Use 7.5...
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pippin;518283 Wrote:
You are right about the plugins but wrong about the default interface.
The problem here is that the default interface DOES have the feature
yet it sucks so much that people simply don't know how to use it (with
more than two players, at least).
I was speaking more
I have used Eric Koldingers Synchronizer plugin for some time now. And
it works and makes synchronizing usable. But for now it has a small
problem: It turns on every player there is in the system, regardless of
the player is not in the chosen sync-zone.
And the interface in SBS is hideous (Sorry
Any improvement in sync should include a less insane handling of
alarms.
The situation now, if players are synced if any of them have an alarm
then the alarm is sounding in all players and the now playing playlist
gets wiped out and replaced by the alarm choice ?
To begin with
1. A player
The squeezebox system always gets bashed for it's poor user interface
when it comes to managing synchronisation.
Can we as a community come up with some good ideas that can the
developers can use to improve on this?
Could we as a community come up with constructive ideas how the
developers can
From a user point of view I think we need some kind of zone concept, I
suppose this might be the same as what you call sync groups.
- It should be possible to configure a player so it's part of several
zones but obviously it can only play music in one zone at the time
- In the user interface
Please also have a look at the current incarnation of the SyncOptions
plugin.
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