Re: Process question on release votes

2014-03-21 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Mar 19, 2014, at 10:48 AM, sebb wrote: On 19 March 2014 15:05, Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de wrote: what has been with the rule that an ipmc must forward the VOTE to the incubator pmc when it gets started, and those members can also cast a binding -1 ? IPMC votes are the only ones

Re: Cultivating Outstanding IP Stewards

2013-11-12 Thread Roy T. Fielding
Release votes are expected to be a decision of the list of people empowered by the foundation to make that decision. How that list of people is populated for podlings is up to the PMC. Right now, the only list we have is the IPMC itself, as appointed by the board. If the Incubator wants to

Re: Apache project bylaws

2013-10-02 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Oct 2, 2013, at 10:20 AM, Alex Harui wrote: On 10/2/13 10:09 AM, Doug Cutting cutt...@apache.org wrote: On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com wrote: To me, agreeing on the norm is not the same as policy, especially policy that does not allow for exceptions. I

Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] HCatalog to Graduate and become part of Apache Hive

2013-02-14 Thread Roy T. Fielding
It is a majority decision. In theory, the PMC could decide to create special bylaws that would change that to a lazy consensus decision, but then I would have to lay the smack down about why it is that the US government sucks because supermajorities are designed to deny proper governance. In the

Re: [VOTE] Apache cTAKES 3.0.0-incubating RC5 release

2013-01-25 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Jan 25, 2013, at 4:13 AM, Benson Margulies wrote: On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 3:04 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote: Hi Benson, On 1/24/13 7:23 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: It's unfortunate to have this conversation in parallel here and

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Linda

2012-11-16 Thread Roy T. Fielding
I suggest choosing a different name. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linda_%28coordination_language%29 We generally don't use names that have been (and continue to be) used extensively by other software projects. Roy On Nov 16, 2012, at 9:14 AM, Sebastian Schaffert wrote: Dear all, we

Re: Shipping binary file in CloudStack release

2012-10-30 Thread Roy T. Fielding
[generic incubator comments -- nothing specific to CloudStack] ... On Oct 29, 2012, at 8:01 AM, Noah Slater wrote: On 29 October 2012 14:48, Chip Childers chip.child...@sungard.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Noah Slater nsla...@apache.org wrote: But regardless, you couldn't. A

Re: [VOTE] Graduate the Apache SIS podling from the Apache Incubator

2012-09-10 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Sep 10, 2012, at 12:46 PM, Jukka Zitting wrote: Hi, On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 4:42 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote: Please see the resolution below and VOTE on it for the graduation of the Apache SIS podling from the Apache Incubator. I'll leave the VOTE

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1 (incubating) RC2

2012-08-21 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Aug 21, 2012, at 4:59 AM, Branko Čibej wrote: On 21.08.2012 12:52, sebb wrote: I think the NOTICE problems are serious enough to warrant a respin. This is an unreasonable request. The IPMC voted on the 3.4.0 release. The notice file has not changed between 3.4.0 and 3.4.1. How then do

Re: [MENTORS] Third Party source

2012-06-08 Thread Roy T. Fielding
I fear we are miscommunicating again. Only the copyright owner is allowed to (re)move copyright notices or permit others to (re)move them on the owner's behalf. Jeff just needs to give the project permission -- one simple email message to the list is enough -- and then anyone at Apache can move

diversity

2012-06-05 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Jun 5, 2012, at 2:45 PM, Ralph Goers wrote: I posted an email earlier today where I discussed my confusion over the diversity requirement. I'm not comfortable doing anything without getting some feedback on whether the diversity requirement, as currently stated on the wiki, is correct

Re: Flume Graduation (was Re: June reports in two weeks)

2012-05-27 Thread Roy T. Fielding
There is no diversity requirement for graduating from the incubator. In many ways, incubation hinders community growth. The requirement is that the project makes decisions as an Apache project, not in private, which is harder to get used to doing if a lot of people share the same office.

Re: [VOTE] Release ManifoldCF 0.5-incubating, RC0

2012-03-29 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Mar 29, 2012, at 4:07 PM, Fabian Christ wrote: Hi, Am 26. März 2012 17:20 schrieb Roy T. Fielding field...@gbiv.com: On Mar 26, 2012, at 4:41 PM, Karl Wright wrote: On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 10:24 AM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On 26 March 2012 02:38, Shinichiro Abe shinichiro.ab

Re: Multi-licensed dependencies

2012-03-29 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Mar 29, 2012, at 6:17 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: Personally, I agree with Roy. Perhaps it might seem a little odd to include the text of e.g. the GPLv2 in one of our LICENSE files (alongside a more permissive license), but the key here is that it is both legally OK for us to distribute a

Re: Multi-licensed dependencies

2012-03-29 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Mar 29, 2012, at 9:37 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 11:42 AM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On 29 March 2012 18:43, Roy T. Fielding field...@gbiv.com wrote: I prefer to put our license in the file and then, at the bottom, refer to a list of other licenses per

Re: Binary dependencies in source releases (Was: [VOTE] Release ManifoldCF 0.5-incubating, RC0)

2012-03-28 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Mar 28, 2012, at 2:39 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: Roy, Of course you, personally, can't be expected to supervise all projects or fix all documentation. At the same time, there's something a little depressing about the situation. On the one hand, the principle at work here is, to

Re: [VOTE] Release ManifoldCF 0.5-incubating, RC0

2012-03-27 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Mar 27, 2012, at 2:15 AM, sebb wrote: On 26 March 2012 16:20, Roy T. Fielding field...@gbiv.com wrote: On Mar 26, 2012, at 4:41 PM, Karl Wright wrote: On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 10:24 AM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On 26 March 2012 02:38, Shinichiro Abe shinichiro.ab...@gmail.com wrote

Re: Binary dependencies in source releases (Was: [VOTE] Release ManifoldCF 0.5-incubating, RC0)

2012-03-27 Thread Roy T. Fielding
package. On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Roy T. Fielding field...@gbiv.com wrote: Likewise for jar files of dependencies -- they are NOT our product and they MUST NOT be present in the source code package that is voted on for release. Citation needed. Note that the source materials reference

Re: [VOTE] Release ManifoldCF 0.5-incubating, RC0

2012-03-26 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Mar 26, 2012, at 5:36 PM, Karl Wright wrote: Some clarifications: Hi Roy, (1) Our LICENSE.txt file currently contains references to all non-Apache jars that we redistribute, and a reference or description of the licensing of that jar. We do not attempt to relicense anything. No

Re: IP Clearance? NAK

2012-03-01 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Mar 1, 2012, at 7:55 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: On 3/1/2012 9:49 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: I don't know what statement Roy is referring to, so I won't challenge it directly. Instead I will ask that people work together to find out what processes are right for the ASF at this point in

Re: Incubator, or Incubation?

2012-02-03 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Feb 3, 2012, at 2:00 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: There is a place in the middle, which very much intrigues me. Instead of replacing 1 IPMC with n PMCs, having n+1 PMCs, with the Incubator playing a role much like legal or trademarks (or infra or press or...). In particular, when problems arise

Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes

2012-01-31 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Jan 31, 2012, at 12:52 PM, Doug Cutting wrote: On 01/30/2012 05:12 PM, Greg Stein wrote: I've never liked vetoes for this. One person can hold an entire PMC hostage simply for disliking someone (or worse: subtle corporate concerns masked otherwise). People have said in the past, you should

Re: Q. Forks without concensus?; A. anytime / depends / never without agreement

2012-01-12 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Jan 11, 2012, at 8:33 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Roy T. Fielding wrote: Noel J. Bergman wrote: The ASF is not about code; it is about community. If a community forks, or otherwise emerges around a codebase, we are not accepting the CODE: we are accepting the COMMUNITY. One company

Re: Q. Forks without concensus?; A. anytime / depends / never without agreement

2012-01-10 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Jan 9, 2012, at 9:11 PM, Greg Stein wrote: On Jan 9, 2012 10:03 PM, Roy T. Fielding field...@gbiv.com wrote: ... And, no, the discussion has not been with the Trac community -- it was in private with a few individuals; as far as Apache is concerned, it never happened. And Oracle's

Re: Q. Forks without concensus?; A. anytime / depends / never without agreement

2012-01-09 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Jan 9, 2012, at 9:42 AM, Hyrum K Wright wrote: On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Roy T. Fielding field...@gbiv.com wrote: On Jan 7, 2012, at 1:49 PM, Greg Stein wrote: On Jan 7, 2012 4:24 PM, Roy T. Fielding field...@gbiv.com wrote: ... The original developers are not ambivalent

Re: Q. Forks without concensus?; A. anytime / depends / never without agreement

2012-01-07 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Jan 6, 2012, at 8:17 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: The ASF is not about code; it is about community. If a community forks, or otherwise emerges around a codebase, we are not accepting the CODE: we are accepting the COMMUNITY. One company is not a community. And it seems to me that if we

Re: Q. Forks without concensus?; A. anytime / depends / never without agreement

2012-01-07 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Jan 7, 2012, at 2:10 PM, Roy T. Fielding wrote: On Jan 7, 2012, at 1:49 PM, Greg Stein wrote: On Jan 7, 2012 4:24 PM, Roy T. Fielding field...@gbiv.com wrote: ... The original developers are not ambivalent to this fork. Untrue. Christian and Remy are, and always have been, supportive

incubator is a single group

2011-11-11 Thread Roy T. Fielding
Hi folks, It has come to my attention that we are wasting resources and time trying to manage separate committer lists within infra for every podling. That is something that we can effectively manage once a TLP has become self-governing and self-sufficient in its interaction with infrastructure.

Re: [VOTE] Accept Howl as an Incubator Project

2011-03-09 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Mar 9, 2011, at 8:23 AM, Alan Gates wrote: Some context here for you. Howl is a project that was recently accepted to the Incubator. It is a proposed new component in the Hadoop eco system. There is significant concern in the Incubator that this will clash with the name of the Howl

Re: [Proposal] Traffic Server

2009-06-16 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Jun 15, 2009, at 5:56 AM, Leif Hedstrom wrote: Roy T. Fielding wrote: I like the idea, though I would prefer that a larger group of committers (outside Yahoo!) were known up front because that sounds like a big code base. Any chance you could convince some of the former coders to join

Re: [Proposal] Traffic Server

2009-06-14 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Jun 12, 2009, at 9:17 AM, Leif Hedstrom wrote: Good morning, We would like to submit the Traffic Server proposal to the incubator. Our draft is available at http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/TrafficServerProposal A quick overview of Traffic Server: Traffic Server is a Yahoo! /

[IP-CLEARANCE] httpd mod_fcgid

2009-02-03 Thread Roy T. Fielding
http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/httpd-mod_fcgid.html Apache HTTP Server's mod_fcgid is a module for httpd that enables the server framework to provide FastCGI services using a clean-room implementation of the FastCGI 1.0 specification (http://

Re: Click Incubation - Status

2008-07-30 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Jul 30, 2008, at 4:15 PM, Malcolm Edgar wrote: One possible complication to this is that all the code in Click currently has a copyright header assigned to Malcolm Edgar, even if they were contributed from other comitters. So in committing code people have explicity assigned their copyright

Re: Click Incubation - Status

2008-07-27 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Jul 27, 2008, at 9:22 AM, Andrus Adamchik wrote: Is there existing code in Click written by Ahmed? As getting an ICLA or rewriting this code will be required as a part of the IP clearance process. That isn't quite true. The ASF requires documentation that the original author has

Re: [DISCUSS] Do we really need an incubator?

2008-07-07 Thread Roy T. Fielding
Dims, I have to disagree. The releases that we allow incubating projects to make, with three +1s and a majority approval, are full Apache releases. They have been officially approved by the foundation and we are 100% responsible for their content. That's okay, because they also tend to

Re: [DISCUSS] Do we really need an incubator?

2008-07-07 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Jul 7, 2008, at 5:01 PM, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: Apache isn't about 'community over code'. The code is just as important - if not more so. For Incubator releases, the releases aren't held to the same legal standard as releases from other PMCs. Huh? The only difference I know of is the

Re: Q: ip-clearance step 5

2008-05-18 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On May 18, 2008, at 6:52 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: apache needs a record of the checksummed artifact. this is likely to be the zipped code. FTR, Apache only needs this if there is no other way to map the contribution to the contributor. The easiest way to map them is to have the

[IP-CLEARANCE] httpd mod_domain (was mod_dns)

2008-04-27 Thread Roy T . Fielding
http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/httpd-mod_domain-clearance.html httpd mod_domain (nee mod_dns) IP clearance Apache HTTP Server's mod_domain is a module for httpd that enables the server framework to provide Domain Name Services (DNS). It was originally called mod_dns, but the name

[jira] Commented: (INCUBATOR-74) IP Clearance Template is rubbish

2008-04-23 Thread Roy T. Fielding (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-74?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=12591773#action_12591773 ] Roy T. Fielding commented on INCUBATOR-74: -- I like the approach

Re: (qpid) Diversity

2008-03-08 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Mar 7, 2008, at 11:07 PM, Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Friday 07 March 2008 16:39, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: So the CCLA exists for those who's employment agreements would otherwise cause them to violate their claims made via their CLA contract. Uhhh So, are we now saying that heaps of

Re: [Proposal] Sling

2007-08-13 Thread Roy T. Fielding
I would just add that JSR-311 might also be an option. As an aside (and since you folks are on the Expert Group), do we know if JAX-RS will be under a suitable specification license, or has Sun encumbered it as they have other Sun-led specifications? We don't know. We won't implement

Re: incubator releases need to be under www.a.o/dist/incubator

2007-02-21 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Feb 21, 2007, at 2:50 PM, Leo Simons wrote: On Feb 21, 2007, at 1:08 AM, Roy T. Fielding wrote: One thing that seems to have been forgotten is that an approved release must be in the form of SOURCE CODE and must be placed in the associated PMC's public distribution area under http

Re: podling BIS notifications

2007-02-21 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Feb 20, 2007, at 10:55 PM, Cliff Schmidt wrote: +1 to everything above -- although, rather than saying a later notice needs to be sent out when the encryption functionality changes, I'd put it as, a later notice needs to be sent when any information on the prior notice has changed...but this

incubator releases need to be under www.a.o/dist/incubator

2007-02-20 Thread Roy T. Fielding
At various times, various people have stated various rather incongruent descriptions of what has to be done when a podling performs a release http://incubator.apache.org/guides/releasemanagement.html One thing that seems to have been forgotten is that an approved release must be in the form

podling BIS notifications

2007-02-20 Thread Roy T. Fielding
I noticed yesterday that James Snell was being very proactive and submitted the correct BIS notification for Abdera. http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-abdera-dev/ 200702.mbox/raw/[EMAIL PROTECTED] However, please note that Abdera is not yet an Apache Project, even though it

Re: incubator releases need to be under www.a.o/dist/incubator

2007-02-20 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Feb 20, 2007, at 7:11 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: In other words, we agree there is probably an export issue to resolve, however /dist/incubator/ does not exist for a reason, and it would be helpful if you ran changes to the incubator past the incubator PMC before confusing our podlings

Re: podling BIS notifications

2007-02-20 Thread Roy T. Fielding
BIS notices have to be made if a product contains encryption functionality controlled by the EAR's 5D002 classification, or is specifically designed to make use of a 5D002 classified item (as would the case if the source code contains calls to OpenSSL or JCE interfaces), or if any released

resigning from incubator pmc

2007-01-31 Thread Roy T. Fielding
I am too far underwater to keep track of the incubator mail, so there is no point in continuing to be on the PMC. I'll probably be back some day when I have a reason to justify the time and focus. Roy - To unsubscribe,

Re: [VOTE] Graduate Synapse

2006-12-28 Thread Roy T. Fielding
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Re: release voting

2006-12-20 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Dec 19, 2006, at 8:02 PM, Greg Stein wrote: On 12/11/06, Roy T. Fielding [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... Can a PMC chair veto a release? No. A chair only counts as one vote. A chair's only special powers are to receive things officially and ensure that the PMC does vote. Euh

Re: release voting

2006-12-20 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Dec 20, 2006, at 3:20 AM, Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Wednesday 20 December 2006 18:04, Roy T. Fielding wrote: On Dec 19, 2006, at 8:02 PM, Greg Stein wrote: That's how it works. No, that's not how it works. Isn't it a bit scary that two of the most respected members of ASF don't agree

release voting

2006-12-11 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Dec 10, 2006, at 5:11 PM, Jason van Zyl wrote: On 10 Dec 06, at 8:02 PM 10 Dec 06, Martin Cooper wrote: On 12/10/06, Jason van Zyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10 Dec 06, at 6:40 PM 10 Dec 06, Roy T. Fielding wrote: On Dec 10, 2006, at 5:47 AM, Karl Pauls wrote: We ask that you please

Re: Deploying Incubator Maven Artifacts [was Re: [VOTE] Apache Incubator CXF 2.0-M1 Release (RC 3)]

2006-12-07 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Dec 7, 2006, at 3:00 PM, Dan Diephouse wrote: On 12/7/06, Daniel Kulp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would say for now we just remove that jar if it's needed. However, how did the servicemix and other projects votes pass if it's a requirement? Is this another new requirement in the

Re: Deploying Incubator Maven Artifacts [was Re: [VOTE] Apache Incubator CXF 2.0-M1 Release (RC 3)]

2006-12-07 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Dec 7, 2006, at 4:09 PM, Dan Diephouse wrote: I must be missing something. If they aren't voted on, how do you know if they're valid and meet release requirements? It is impossible to verify that in a binary. We have to trust the person building it to do so according to an approved

Re: [VOTE] publish openjpa 0.9.6-incubating release

2006-11-16 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Nov 16, 2006, at 4:30 PM, Marc Prud'hommeaux wrote: We'll correct these issues asap. Once corrected artifacts are uploaded, I assume it will necessary to re-start the vote on the open-jpa-dev list before re-starting the vote here. Please correct me if I am wrong. That is correct --

Re: [VOTE] publish openjpa 0.9.6-incubating release

2006-11-16 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Nov 16, 2006, at 5:22 PM, Marc Prud'hommeaux wrote: BTW, why distribute a zip package? Wouldn't it be more sensible to distribute as a jar? Just curious. The zip contains documentation, examples, and the dependency jars required to run the examples. Yes, I know that -- the point was

Re: [DISCUSS] incubator voting process

2006-11-10 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Nov 10, 2006, at 7:18 AM, Sam Ruby wrote: There seems to be a persistent delusion that [EMAIL PROTECTED] is where incubation happens. The reality is that all the real incubating happens on the PPMC private and dev lists. We can correct this in one of two ways: recognize what actually

Re: Weirdness with the web site

2006-11-10 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Nov 10, 2006, at 3:40 PM, Garrett Rooney wrote: So, I'm trying to finish off the job of removing lucene4c from the web site, since it's been retired it shouldn't be showing up in the list of podlings and what not, and when I'm generating the site I can't help but notice lots of changes in

Re: wikis

2006-11-09 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Nov 9, 2006, at 10:52 AM, Don Brown wrote: What exactly makes something a part of the official ASF infrastructure? I thought it was that a member of Infrastructure had volunteered to maintain it, and if that's the case, Confluence is indeed a part of the official ASF infrastructure since I,

Re: [site] can someone fix the permissions...?

2006-11-06 Thread Roy T. Fielding
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Re: Wicket interim release

2006-10-29 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Oct 29, 2006, at 5:37 AM, Upayavira wrote: The Wicket community is attempting to steer a difficult course between supporting its existing users and also entering Incubation. The community is committed to incubation within Apache, but at the same time wishes to make the transition for

Re: JiniProposal - BraintreeProposal

2006-10-29 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Oct 27, 2006, at 9:21 AM, Jim Hurley wrote: On Oct 25, 2006, at 6:35 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Greg Stein wrote: It doesn't matter whatsoever as long as you are VERY consistently calling it Apache Braintree as you should be doing _anyways_ Would that apply equally to the two names that

Re: [VOTE] Graduate Harmony to TLP status (pending board approval)

2006-10-28 Thread Roy T. Fielding
+1 (travel delayed) Roy - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [VOTE] graduate harmony podling

2006-10-23 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Oct 21, 2006, at 3:24 AM, Leo Simons wrote: This is *not* an actual vote. The vote is on harmony-dev; see Well, then, why did you call it a vote? This is what we call confusing the voters, ballot irregularities, hanging chad, and other fun things that cause unnecessary wars. I don't

Re: How to read and write e-mail @ apache (was: Re: [VOTE] graduate harmony podling)

2006-10-23 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Oct 23, 2006, at 12:52 PM, Leo Simons wrote: Change the subject line when you change the subject...done. But you didn't change the subject, so that was a bad idea. On Oct 21, 2006, at 11:39 PM, Roy T. Fielding wrote: On Oct 21, 2006, at 3:24 AM, Leo Simons wrote

Re: Checkpoint on Harmony (Re: [discussion] Harmony podling to ask for vote for graduation)

2006-10-20 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Oct 20, 2006, at 3:34 AM, Tim Ellison wrote: To be clear, our snapshots are more than a simple snap of Subversion -- we (the Harmony community) discuss the right time to create the development snapshot to accommodate known instability caused by work in flight, publish the snapshot with

Re: Checkpoint on Harmony (Re: [discussion] Harmony podling to ask for vote for graduation)

2006-10-19 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Oct 19, 2006, at 3:32 AM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: I agree with the motivations behind asking for a release, but disagree that a release is the only way to satisfy IPMC's need for information about the health and capability of a podling's future life as a TLP. It isn't -- it is just

Re: [discussion] Harmony podling to ask for vote for graduation

2006-10-18 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Oct 18, 2006, at 11:14 AM, Don Brown wrote: Agreed. I don't think it is fair to be making up graduation requirements right when a project is about to graduate. The graduation requirement is that a majority of the PMC members agree that a podling should be graduated. Geir asked for a

Re: [discussion] Harmony podling to ask for vote for graduation

2006-10-18 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Oct 18, 2006, at 1:25 PM, Grote, Judy wrote: He just never seems to give up--like a small child not knowing when to stop. No, more like an old grandpa who sees his grandkids grab a pair of scissors and then asks the parents whether they've taught them not to start running around the room

Re: [VOTE] Mark lucene4c as dormant

2006-10-10 Thread Roy T. Fielding
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Re: [VOTE] approve the 4.0.2 (RC4) release of ActiveMQ

2006-10-10 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Oct 9, 2006, at 2:59 PM, robert burrell donkin wrote: the source distributions unpacks to the same directory as the binary. this is inconvenient for users. it's better to unpack the source to incubator-activemq-4.0.2-src. I disagree with that. Usually, a source distribution should be the

Re: [VOTE] Policy on Initial Committership

2006-10-04 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Oct 4, 2006, at 7:56 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Roy T. Fielding wrote: The only question is what authority is granted to the PPMC by the Incubator, and every podling since Geronimo has acted according to the policy that all decisions are made by the PPMC with a minimal quorum of three PMC

Re: Policy on Initial Committership

2006-10-03 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Oct 3, 2006, at 7:08 AM, Newcomer, Eric wrote: As we have also seen in the discussions on this topic it is natural for a project to review and revise the committers list as it progresses. But let's at least get CXF off to a good start! Or kill it now and let the proposers compile a list

Re: [VOTE] Policy on Initial Committership

2006-10-03 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Oct 3, 2006, at 11:46 AM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Roy T. Fielding wrote: I don't care what the PPMC decides to do provided that it is the PPMC that makes the decisions and that decision is made on an Apache mailing list. Mentors have NO RIGHT and NO RESPONSIBILITY to make decisions

Re: [VOTE] Policy on Initial Committership

2006-10-03 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Oct 3, 2006, at 1:55 PM, robert burrell donkin wrote: That's why we created the PPMC == the entire set of committers of the podling and the Mentors. this is not policy ATM Yes it is -- it was formally voted on during the Geronimo incubation. They do have binding votes on everything

Re: [VOTE] Policy on Initial Committership

2006-10-02 Thread Roy T . Fielding
On Oct 2, 2006, at 5:28 AM, Jason van Zyl wrote: -1. Of the people participating in a new project, the Mentors are the least capable of selecting a PPMC. I don't think that's true. At least not in the case of CXF. You mean it isn't always true. I agree. In general, however, it is almost

Re: [VOTE] Policy on Initial Committership

2006-10-01 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Oct 1, 2006, at 11:26 AM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Taken from the Problem with commit rights on Celtixfire thread: - The Incubator PMC sets the Mentors, who form the initial PPMC - The PPMC (Mentors) elects additional PPMC members - The PPMC elects Committers This also implies changing

Re: IRC Channel?

2006-08-16 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Aug 15, 2006, at 2:38 AM, Ian Holsman wrote: It isn't the individuals who make the decision, but the community as a whole. If they feel more comfortable using X to communicate then fine. If a individual doesn't like the method the project is communicating with then it is up to him to

Re: Blaze and Openness of Standards (was Re: [Proposal] Blaze)

2006-08-01 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Aug 1, 2006, at 11:36 AM, Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote: On Tue, 2006-08-01 at 12:36 -0400, Carl Trieloff wrote: Brian, Just as in JCP, OASIS or W3C the real work happens on private channels, that said we are in the process of creating public pages, from which to link user and feedback

Re: Cayenne IP Clearance status: 4 icla's not obtained

2006-08-01 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Aug 1, 2006, at 1:21 PM, Jean T. Anderson wrote: Cayenne has obtained ICLAs for all committers, including retired committers. They have also obtained ICLAs for any who submitted patches -- with the exception of 4 patch submitters whose contributions were minor, trivial, reworked or broken

Re: piling on

2006-07-22 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Jul 22, 2006, at 1:50 AM, robert burrell donkin wrote: no change is necessary - the current policy is sufficient. Well, no, the expectation is clearly being set that anyone can add themselves to the proposal on the wiki, and I for one vote to approve a proposal based on both the wiki and

Re: piling on

2006-07-21 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Jul 20, 2006, at 7:56 PM, Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote: On Thu, 2006-07-20 at 15:00 -0700, Roy T. Fielding wrote: I think so -- an unwelcome mentor is a waste of everyone's time. I also think mentors need commit access, since I don't believe

Re: piling on

2006-07-21 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Jul 20, 2006, at 7:30 PM, Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote: On Thu, 2006-07-20 at 14:54 -0700, Roy T. Fielding wrote: On Jul 19, 2006, at 3:39 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: This piling on behavior seems to have come from the notion that if you get on the initial vote, you're in, but otherwise you

Re: [VOTE] [UPDATE] CeltiXfire Project Proposal

2006-07-21 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Jul 21, 2006, at 11:25 AM, Davanum Srinivas wrote: Yep, both ws and jakarta have single ACL's. So any committer on any sub-project can *CHOOSE* to participate in any other sub-project. So can anyone who isn't a committer. You don't need commit access to participate. Roy

Re: Blaze and Openness of Standards (was Re: [Proposal] Blaze)

2006-07-21 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Jul 21, 2006, at 6:39 AM, Carl Trieloff wrote: If you search many of the Apache project names, they are trademarked to gezoo, No they aren't, at least not within the software category. Roy - To unsubscribe, e-mail:

Re: piling on

2006-07-20 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Jul 19, 2006, at 3:39 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: This piling on behavior seems to have come from the notion that if you get on the initial vote, you're in, but otherwise you have to earn committership. And the justification for the first part seemed to be making sure that a company

Re: piling on

2006-07-20 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Jul 19, 2006, at 3:34 PM, Ian Holsman wrote: I was more thinking of how mentors volunteer to guide the project should the podlings have a say on who gets to mentor them? for example I could become a mentor of Blaize (I actually like the project) but shouldn't the proposer have a say ?

Re: piling on

2006-07-20 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Jul 20, 2006, at 2:54 PM, Paul Fremantle wrote: On 7/19/06, Roy T. Fielding [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe that it is a bad idea to allow people to add themselves to a proposal as committers without first obtaining the consent of the person(s) making the proposal. Being a committer

Re: Blaze and Openness of Standards (was Re: [Proposal] Blaze)

2006-07-20 Thread Roy T. Fielding
OTOH, experience has shown that an effective open source project can cause a previously closed standard to be forced into the open or be supplanted. In any case, BLAZE is one of the more over-registered trademarks in the USPTO with 329 applications, most of them live and at least one registered

piling on

2006-07-19 Thread Roy T. Fielding
I believe that it is a bad idea to allow people to add themselves to a proposal as committers without first obtaining the consent of the person(s) making the proposal. Being a committer in the incubator is giving a person the right to veto code changes based on whatever technical reason they

Re: [doc] Roles and Responsibilities Update Needed [WAS Re: Mentors - the more, the merrier?]

2006-07-15 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Jul 14, 2006, at 11:20 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: We just voted to elect a non-Member ASF Officer to the Incubator PMC in order for him to act as Mentor for the projects sponsored by the PMC of which he is the PMC Chair. Do we wish to declare that election and process null and void? Or do

Re: [doc] Roles and Responsibilities Update Needed [WAS Re: Mentors - the more, the merrier?]

2006-07-14 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Jul 14, 2006, at 1:14 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: To quote myself, but this is hardly the first time it has come up: --- Mentors are (MUST BE) Incubator PMC Members. ASF Members are automatically eligible for PMC membership; non-Members may be elected at the discretion of the Incubator

Re: [doc] Roles and Responsibilities Update Needed [WAS Re: Mentors - the more, the merrier?]

2006-07-14 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Jul 14, 2006, at 1:57 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Roy T. Fielding wrote: It is absolute nonsense to have someone guiding newbies through the ASF process when they haven't even made it to the halfway point themselves. Membership is a half-way point? What's the full distance? ;-) I'll

Re: Acceptance Vote Duration? [WAS Re: [VOTE] Accept Heraldry into the Incubator]

2006-07-11 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Jul 11, 2006, at 10:21 AM, Ted Leung wrote: In this case, we had several weeks of discussion on Heraldry, including some F2F conversations at ApacheCon EU, so 72 hours doesn't seem like a big deal to me. If people want to extend the voting period, I've no problem with that. I guess the

Re: [PROPOSAL] Heraldry Identity Project

2006-06-29 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Jun 29, 2006, at 6:50 AM, Recordon, David wrote: For the last IETF meeting, Dick Hardt of Sxip had created a mailing list called DIX (http://dixs.org http://dixs.org/ ) and had a BOF under the same name. It was focused on the Sxip 2.0 protocol as a way to move authentication and profile

Re: Branding of Incubator projects

2006-06-26 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Jun 26, 2006, at 11:57 AM, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: So, the guide that I'm tackling is the Podling Branding guide. It would be nice to tackle the still-nonexistant Apache branding guide as well. That way you could link to it from this doc. Here's what I'm proposing after some feedback

Re: [PROPOSAL] CeltiXfire Project

2006-06-25 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Jun 24, 2006, at 10:56 PM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: robert burrell donkin wrote: committing is just a privilage with no legal status. commit status can be easily revocated by This is interesting the board, I can see this the members, How can this happen? The members can do anything in

Re: [VOTE] Release Synapse

2006-06-25 Thread Roy T. Fielding
The Synapse incubator would like to ask the Incubator PMC to release the Synapse project into the Apache Web Services PMC. Synapse heavily integrates with other WS projects including Axis2, Axiom, Sandesha, Rampart. The Synapse status page is here:

Re: [PROPOSAL] Heraldry Identity Project

2006-06-20 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Jun 20, 2006, at 5:54 AM, Recordon, David wrote: This has obviously been something we've been looking at in order to do our own due diligence on XRI IPR before being willing to contribute the Yadis spec to be incorporated into XRI Resolution 2.0. That's great, but I wasn't just

Re: MODERATE for lucene-net-user@incubator.apache.org

2006-05-25 Thread Roy T. Fielding
All of the cut and pastes you sent, and the addresses included in the messages, have whitespace near the end. e.g., apach e.org instead of apache.org You need to send to the entire address without any whitespace. If that is not the problem, then try adding a subject to the message.

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