At least you still have one, I am in the process of shutting down and wiping
the last disks clean on our mainframe, it ships out next week.
Anyone need any help out there?
On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 8:07 AM, McKown, John
wrote:
> I guess my complaining __is__ becoming tiresome. I'll try to stop. At
> You can find them if you go to
> http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/hardware/
> Select "product details" for each and download the data sheet.
> z9 BC 5.4 KW
> z10 BC 3.7-7.35 KW
> z9 EC 6.3-18.3 KW
> z10 EC 9.7-27.5 KW
Interesting, the data for the z10BC shows four actual power ratings, not
On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 23:34:59 +0200, R.S. wrote:
>
>BTW: "green" is sales pitch. My "green" z10 consumes exactly 50% more
>power than blue z9.
>MIPS, channels, crypto, memory - remains the same (I wrote about it in
>the past).
I was surprised by this, so I went to look at the specs.
You can find t
t [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of
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IBM used to give huge discounts to universities. About 15-20 or so years ago
they did away with the discounts and universities starte
f Thompson, Steve
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have been an incentive.
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> IBM has 11 years to convince their m
> IBM has 11 years to convince their management the mainframe is good idea. >
> They didn't succeeded or even didn't try.
IBM used to give huge discounts to universities. About 15-20 or so years ago
they did away with the discounts and universities started migrating off the
mainframe. The few t
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IBM used to give huge discounts to universities. About 15-20 or so years
The following message is a courtesy copy of an article
that has been posted to bit.listserv.ibm-main,alt.folklore.computers as well.
bshan...@rocketsoftware.com (Bob Shannon) writes:
> IBM used to give huge discounts to universities. About 15-20 or so
> years ago they did away with the discounts
Bob Shannon pisze:
I don't get into our "machine room" much as "operations" handles IPLs.
But I needed to do some HCD activities today
What a surprise to find rows of servers spewing out so much heat That they >had
to bring in several of the portable AC unit to keep it cooler than 90%
Se
>I don't get into our "machine room" much as "operations" handles IPLs.
>But I needed to do some HCD activities today
>What a surprise to find rows of servers spewing out so much heat That they
>>had to bring in several of the portable AC unit to keep it cooler than 90%
>Seems to me that these
: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 4:09 PM
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I don't get into our "machine room" much as "operations" handles IPLs.
But I needed to do some HCD activities today
What a surprise to find rows of servers spewing out so m
Len
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After a many year (10, 11?) project to get off the mainframe, we will be
turning it off July 1.
Where once stood motor generators, a 3090-400 (IIRC), now nearly 700
servers are starting th
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> After a many year (10, 11?) project
After a many year (10, 11?) project to get off the mainframe, we will be
turning it off July 1.
Where once stood motor generators, a 3090-400 (IIRC), now nearly 700
servers are starting their pigeon toed march to VM's.
I've migrated over the years to supporting various unix/linux flavor
SAP runs extremely well on System z. (Highest QoS SAP implementation you
can get, as a matter of fact.) Something called the SAP Central Instance
runs on z/OS, and SAP application modules run on Linux on System z. SAP
exploits zIIPs and DB2 9.
Again, I don't know why people (not here, usually) con
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We turned our mainframe off yesterday. Z9BC running zOS 1.4 (yes! Had a
1.7
system ready, but there
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Dave, I wish you the best of luck, either in maintaining your position or
finding a new one. Friends always.
Dave Cartwright wrote:
> We turned
Dave, I wish you the best of luck, either in maintaining your position
or finding a new one. Friends always.
Dave Cartwright wrote:
We turned our mainframe off yesterday. Z9BC running zOS 1.4 (yes! Had a 1.7
system ready, but there didn't seem any point). I didn't know whether to
continue th
: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 5:47 AM
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>Makes me wonder if anyone ever implemented SAP on time and under
budget.
A friend of mine worked as a consultant on non-mainframe platforms. In
his experience no one ever implemented SAP as complet
>Makes me wonder if anyone ever implemented SAP on time and under budget.
A friend of mine worked as a consultant on non-mainframe platforms. In his
experience no one ever implemented SAP as completely as had been planned at the
beginning of the project.
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We turned our mainframe off yesterday. Z9BC running zOS 1.4 (yes! Had a 1.7
system ready, but there didn't seem any point). I didn't know whether to
continue the "More Layoffs" thread, but stuck with tradition. I am fighting
redundancy, but not very hopeful.
Replaced by SAP on P-Series, a mere
>z990-302 - 853 MIPS
>and
>z990-303 - 1,243 MIPS
so we're now the last ones on z/OS! Our z990s were bigger than that, though,
and we're now on z9.
And *we* didn't have a problem earlier this year, something that cannot be said
for the other platforms
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>From: Eric Bielefeld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 12:06:53 -0500
>I'd be curious what model of the mainframe they had. As someone else
>posted, if they were a couple generations behind the z10, they could have
>gotten a huge savings by upgrading. If they were on a z9, then may
In a message dated 5/8/2008 10:11:59 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
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to set the record straight with respect to these rumors. He made it
clear that z10 does *not* use p6 microprocessors and there are no plans
for the two technologies to merge. He mentioned that the ru
Phil Smith III wrote:
Tom Marchant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Didn't I read somewhere that the P6 uses the same decimal floating point unit?
Dunno if/where you read it, but it does. The z10 and p6 share a lot of "DNA"
(silicon)...some (not IBM) say they share 100%.
I was at a mee
Tom Marchant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Didn't I read somewhere that the P6 uses the same decimal floating point unit?
Dunno if/where you read it, but it does. The z10 and p6 share a lot of "DNA"
(silicon)...some (not IBM) say they share 100%.
...phsiii
teresting proof of concept technique. Send some code
to the contractor and then visit 24 hours later. I wonder what the
success criteria were.
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On Wed, 7 May 2008 11:22:28 -0500, McKown, John wrote:
>
>... I don't know of any system,
>other than the z10, which implements decimal floating point yet, so I
>would not use that.
Didn't I read somewhere that the P6 uses the same decimal floating point unit?
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I'd be curious what model of the mainframe they had. As someone else posted,
if they were a couple generations behind the z10, they could have gotten a huge
savings by upgrading. If they were on a z9, then maybe they really are saving
a lot of money by going to AIX servers. It would be intere
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As the subject says...
http://searchdatacenter.techtarget.com/news/article
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>
> Wonder if Linux on z was considered
>>> On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 11:58 AM, in message
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ken
Porowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Wonder if Linux on z was considered. With the new z10's it could be
> interesting.
They had been running it already. Not sure to what extent though. And
interestingly, one of the pe
Wonder if Linux on z was considered. With the new z10's it could be
interesting.
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As the subject says...
http://searchdatacenter.techtarget.com/news/article/0,289142,sid80_gci13
12380,00.html?track=NL-576&ad=638786&asrc=EM_NLN_3601410&uid=1900046
Watch th
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And every CEO will notice that, considering the client.
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> As the subject says..
And every CEO will notice that, considering the client.
On 5/7/08, Gary Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> As the subject says...
>
>
> http://searchdatacenter.techtarget.com/news/article/0,289142,sid80_gci1312380,00.html?track=NL-576&ad=638786&asrc=EM_NLN_3601410&uid=1900046
>
>
> Watch the wra
As the subject says...
http://searchdatacenter.techtarget.com/news/article/0,289142,sid80_gci1312380,00.html?track=NL-576&ad=638786&asrc=EM_NLN_3601410&uid=1900046
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On Mon, 2008-03-31 at 15:36 +0100, Leist, Martin wrote:
> Another [small] mainframe has bitten the dust.
>
> Our MP3000 had been running OS/390 2.10 for the last few years but today
> has been shutdown
I wonder how many of these things are laying around unloved and
unwanted. We've got one sitti
This was just a curiosity question. Thanks for all of the good answers.
Unfortuneatly, by the time I might need this info in a year or 2, I'll probably
have totally forgotten about it.
Eric
>>>
Don't know slot #51 but these are the slots I know (counting starts at 1)
ISVNAM
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>
>
> Martin,
>
> I'm sorry to hear you shut your MP3000 down for good. We had
> the same thing at P&H Mining about 2 years ago, also an
> MP3000. I'm glad that you could keep your job. The MP3000
>While the actual owner of each slot is not publicly defined, some have been
>determined by products such as MXI or ShowzOS.
That was the answer I was looking for.
I didn't need the definition of a slot.
-
Too busy driving to stop for gas!
On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:43:32 -0600, Eric Bielefeld wrote:
>I'm sorry to hear you shut your MP3000 down for good. We had the same
thing at P&H Mining about 2 years ago, also an MP3000. I'm glad that you
could keep your job. The MP3000 isn't much use anymore, since it won't run
z/OS in 64 bit
oper
NOTE: All opinions are strictly my own.
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Okay, we know what it is.
Who own
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Okay, we know what it is.
Who owns (owned) it.
I think that was the intent.
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Okay, we know what it is.
Who owns (owned) it.
I think that was the intent.
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Okay, we know what it is.
Who owns (owned) it.
I think that was the intent.
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Martin,
I'm sorry to hear you shut your MP3000 down for good. We ha
Martin,
I'm sorry to hear you shut your MP3000 down for good. We had the same thing at
P&H Mining about 2 years ago, also an MP3000. I'm glad that you could keep
your job. The MP3000 isn't much use anymore, since it won't run z/OS in 64 bit
mode. I at least got to run z/OS in 31 bit mode be
Another [small] mainframe has bitten the dust.
Our MP3000 had been running OS/390 2.10 for the last few years but today
has been shutdown for good with the applications moved off mostly onto
UNIX platforms. Back in 1999 when we were outsourced the mainframe was
"going within 2 years". Well, over
In connection with mainframe decommissioning, a company where I once
worked made the decision to bin their mainframe a couple of years ago. A
huge project plan was enthusiastically taken on board and it proceeded apace.
Trouble was, that while they concentrated on the major applications -
custo
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In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> Seems like
Don't forget to add the outsourcing biz as well.
System z lost a 9 IFL bid to IBM outsourcing for a SMB SAP on z
implementation late last year. This is a long time mainframe customer,
too. Not large by any stretch, but a great early Linux reference.
Tsk, tsk...
McKown, John wrote:
We need
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>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> Seems like IBM would put a few summer interns to work writing conversions
> GUIs showing the conversion balloon.
In many cases, the replacement hardware/software also comes from IBM
(pseries/AIX/Shark/DS4000 in our case). Why in th
In a message dated 7/3/2007 9:26:38 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
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REGATTAs (each was physically larger than the z/800 1b0). Each REGATTA
produced MORE BTUs than the z/800 (to the point that if you were cold in
the computer room you could walk behind one of them to ac
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> > How many "Administrators" are they hiring to replace you?
>
> > How many "Administrators" are they hiring to
> > replace you?
>
> I'm still here, just doing different stuff (SAN management and
> high-performance computing at the moment). The new administrative
> system is such a huge boondoggle that it's hard to tell how many people
> are involved in
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rick Fochtman) wrote:
> How many "Administrators" are they hiring to
> replace you?
I'm still here, just doing different stuff (SAN management and
high-performance computing at the moment). The new administrative
system is such a huge boondo
Matt Simpson wrote:
Our Multiprise 3000 was powered off this weekend. It had been running
z/OS 1.5 in one LPAR and VM in another. Most of the applications on
the "expensive mainframe" have been replaced by SAP running on a
combination of hardware (AIX/pseries and Winblows) which dwarfs the
Our Multiprise 3000 was powered off this weekend. It had been
running z/OS 1.5 in one LPAR and VM in another. Most of the
applications on the "expensive mainframe" have been replaced by SAP
running on a combination of hardware (AIX/pseries and Winblows) which
dwarfs the "mainframe". For exam
Interesting conversion article.
>http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/erp/story/0,10801,103583,00.html
Ron Greve
SDSU
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companies involved. As in most cases these are veiled self-promotion trying
to give impressions that, they hope, will lead others down the same road
>>
We had one about 10yrs ago, where we converte
10 to one the article is based on a PR/news release from one of the
companies involved. As in most cases these are veiled self-promotion trying
to give impressions that, they hope, will lead others down the same road
Robert Galambos
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>
>
> 51 mips, yea okay
51 mips, yea okay. and that not even running at full capacity...
exactly how many people did they need to maintain a "51 mips" mainframe
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Though reading the article, you can't blame them...
For those that keep track of these things...
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Chris, relative to another of your posts, I just received
this today (1 August) but the send date is listed as
11 July!
Kind regards,
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Craddock, Chris wrote:
And another 100 to replace them for newer ones as new
technology comes out.
Wow, they must be in the money, custome
...
I trust my zSeries to do things that the smaller boxes can't do.
...
I sort of won an argument with our provider.
They just added one more engine to our production z/box.
Originally, they wanted to POR/IPL to do it.
I was the only one against it.
Finally, when they realised there wasn't a time
On Aug 1, 2005, at 3:41 PM, Craddock, Chris wrote:
Ok, replying to my own post, but this is just weird...
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^^^
One Bites the Dust
> And another 100 to replace them for newer ones as new
> technology comes out.
> Wow, they must be in the money, customers money that is.
> And have another 50 in reserve to replace they ones going
> down every 5 minutes.
Just ain't so folks... t
. . . and it shall continue to do so; what's more, it is getting more complex
all the time. At most shops that have mainframes, it is only one component --
and an increasingly minor one -- in the overall enterprise IT picture. I trust
my zSeries to do things that the smaller boxes can't do, b
Ok, replying to my own post, but this is just weird...
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> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 11:17 AM
^^
this post just arrived, a mere 3 weeks late
> And another 100 to replace them for newer ones as new
> technology comes out.
> Wow, they must be in the money, customers money that is.
> And have another 50 in reserve to replace they ones going
> down every 5 minutes.
Just ain't so folks... take a long hard look at the real numbe
On 8 Jul 2005 05:20:23 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote:
>For those that keep score or have an interest...
>
>http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050707/sfth081.html?.v=17
>
Given the way many places actually use their mainframes, a move to
operating system du jour may not decrease reliability.
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> Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 2:33 PM
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>
>
> John,
>
McKown, John wrote:
I don't really know what "expensive" means either. The IBM C compiler
($1,200/month?) got cancelled due to it being "too expensive".
John,
We can offer you a much cheaper alternative! Also - it runs on your
workstation, integrates into Microsoft's Developer Studio or
Timothy Sipples wrote:
== A very wise man named David Andrews writes:
Sorry, that was me. -Steve Comstock
Not sure how wise I am, but that was
my opinion, not David's.
In this business, especially, you can never stop learning
and never stop pushing out of your comfort level. But you
know this
== A very wise man named David Andrews writes:
>In this business, especially, you can never stop learning
>and never stop pushing out of your comfort level. But you
>know this. Everyone on this list knows this. But we don't
>always do what has to get done. Sometimes we luck out,
>sometimes we don't
On Jul 14, 2005, at 2:31 PM, McKown, John wrote:
I tried looking at WSED, but I cannot figure out how to get a simple
price. I don't have the authority to contact a sales person, myself.
Plus, I don't like talking to sales people. They are almost as bad as
lawyers for "weasel words" (sorry, but t
On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:31:21 -0500, McKown, John
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>I don't really know what "expensive" means either. The IBM C compiler
>($1,200/month?) got cancelled due to it being "too expensive".
>
>I tried looking at WSED, but I cannot figure out how to get a simple
>price. I don'
David Andrews wrote:
On Thu, 2005-07-14 at 07:56 -0500, Timothy Sipples wrote:
I'm 37
I wonder how your post would have been worded if you'd instead written:
"I'm 52". I'll bet it wouldn't have contained quite so much of this:
...
(b) Be mobile.
...
If your employer will not [...] see (b
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>
>
>
> Putting on my
> -Original Message-
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>
> [ snip ]
>
> One other thing springs to mind about Unix sites. Unlike many
> MVS sites, I do not often see a huge amount of server power
> set aside for an army of programmers developing an
On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 12:05:39 -0500, McKown, John
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>
>I agree that developing COBOL on the zSeries cost more in terms of man
>power than, say, VB. Why? Because VB comes with a lot of packaged
>subroutines for many functions that the COBOL people end up programming
>themselv
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>
>
> Bill,
>
On 14-Jul-2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Seubert) wrote:
> We need to be knowledgeable of the cost-of-ownership factors (every single
> study I've seen identifies personnel costs as the bulk of the TCO equation,
> with distributed management costs far exceeding that of the mainframe. HW
> is a nit
eries.
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> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of William Ball
> Sent: Thursday, 14 July 2005 11:00 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Another - Another One Bites the Dust
>
> Ron,
>
> Obvi
These guys have a competitor who is larger than the latter and about to be
larger than the former who processes 300-400 million credit accounts on 17
z-footprints 15 plexes (2 more on the way) more than 50 lpars. Dinosaurs
rule.
The challenges include:
--Cobol programmers. Like the ones who
On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:12:38 -0400, David Andrews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>You've fairly called some of us curmudgeons. As the joke goes: I
>resemble that remark. But be aware of the graying of the sysprog and
>the trap that many of us find ourselves in.
I think Tim's point is that a curmudg
On Thu, 2005-07-14 at 07:56 -0500, Timothy Sipples wrote:
> I'm 37
I wonder how your post would have been worded if you'd instead written:
"I'm 52". I'll bet it wouldn't have contained quite so much of this:
> ...
> (b) Be mobile.
> ...
> If your employer will not [...] see (b).
> ...
> See (b)
Ron,
Obviously, I'm not going to change your mind or you mine.
I'm guessing you don't believe the Xephon reports, that's up to you. My
past and present observations from working in this business show a 5+ to 1
ratio and it's growing. The 8 TB just rolled in the door so it is doing
little of n
On 13-Jul-2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> If they are indeed doing a better job than what a mainframe can do
> regarding the number of support staff, disaster recovery, ease of
> maintenance and debuggability, then I would indeed concede the point. Have
> you investigated these areas? Or are they
Some semi-random points:
1. Most, I'm sure, are familiar with Arcati's "Dynosaur Myth" study (of
total costs per user). If not, print out a few copies and hand them to
executives. Note that their 2005 update (in their 2005 Mainframe Yearbook
-- print out that page, too) projects an even bigg
Bill,
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> You're jumping t
You're jumping to the conclusion that squatty boxes are -cheaper- than a
mainframe, while in fact they are -not-overall. They may initially
cost less than a mainframe but by the time you add a 5+ to 1 people cost
per application to the squatty end, they are actually more expensive.
And the
t; Subject: Re: Another - Another One Bites the Dust
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> FTPing report files that must put a hurtin on the Network and that data
> is it really secure on that open systems
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> FTPing report files that must put a hurtin on the Network and
> that data is it really secure on that open systems
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Er... not since the days of dial-up. Report files are how big?
Ethernet supports at least 100 Megabits/sec. That's conservatively
several MiB/Sec sustained data rate and you
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