-- On Sun, 8/23/09, jeffma...@orthohelp.com wrote:
> A question about the sources produced
> by the new source writer: will they
> transfer correctly in a gedcom to another genealogy
> program? In other words,
> does gedcom have any difficulty with the new style of
> sources compared the
> to
Cathy,
While Source Citations can be added to To Do lists, they will not print on the
report, as you have found. This is a known bug that is somewhere in the "to be
fixed" system. For earlier discussions, and a work around that I use, check
out the lists archives at:
http://www.mail-archive.
Ruth,
But it's not a bug; it's a standard method for recording descent in a narrative
report that has been in use for decades. At least if I'm understanding you
correctly.
I'd have to do some research to see how the major genealogical publications
handle changes in surname, but I wouldn't wan
MJ,
The netbook I recently purchased runs Windows XP and has more memory, a faster
processor and a larger hard drive than my older HP laptop that I had been using
(with Legacy, and without problems) for about 4 years.
There is absolutely no problem running Legacy on an Asus Eee with 1GB of RA
Grover Oliver wrote:
> I have run into a bit of a road bump.
> For the last 57 years out family
> has held a family reunion each year in August. During these
> reunions
> our family history has been documented and kept by the
> elected family
> historian. This family history documents Minutes of
Dede,
I realize this isn't exactly what you're asking, but as someone who finds all
PDA-type devices too small (and too expensive when the higher cell phone access
fees are considered), laptops too big, and thinks a cell-phone should be used
for phone calls, I have been quite happy with my new
Why would Find-A-Grave ever be entered as an Event?
Find-A-Grave is a source of information, just like a book, a census, an old
letter written by grandma, or an online database. In fact, it is an online
database.
Obviously, people can use Legacy however they like, but I would argue that we
s
> Could some kind soul give me a
> working link to "Find-A-Grave"? I Googled it, and
> attempted to go there, but I am getting the 404 error: "Page
> not found."
Robert,
The site goes down periodicallyperhaps it just had too much traffic today.
Try again later and you should get in.
Con
Keith,
I would put it in my source citation for birth, death, burial or whatever data
I'm taking from the tombstone, e.g.:
"Find A Grave," database (www.findagrave.com : accessed 9 Aug 2009), Moses
Shirley, Find A Grave Memorial# 14889752.
I would also add an indication in the citation as t
rmation. I think you want the
> List-style format
> Does that help?
>
> On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 9:44 AM, Connie Sheets
> wrote:
> >
> > Is there any way to print out a list of Master Source
> Names (with or without the full source citation)? I need
> to clean up
rmation. I think you want the
> List-style format
> Does that help?
>
> On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 9:44 AM, Connie Sheets
> wrote:
> >
> > Is there any way to print out a list of Master Source
> Names (with or without the full source citation)? I need
> to clean up/st
Is there any way to print out a list of Master Source Names (with or without
the full source citation)? I need to clean up/standardize how I have named my
sources and having a piece of paper to look at would be nice, rather than
having to do it all onscreen, but I'm stumped.
I have the Source
Report Options (bottom center of report pop-up screen) > Include Tab > click on
Event Information
--- On Mon, 8/3/09, Elizabeth Cunningham wrote:
> From: Elizabeth Cunningham
> Subject: [LegacyUG] Report problem
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 5:08 P
Jerri Grimley wrote:
> Hi:
> I am still a newbie at this. Is there a better
> place to enter the census data, than on the event
> notes?
>
>
> I also enter all the individuals on a census as I find
> it a quick way to see the group dynamics of the family at a
> point in time.
>
> Where d
Ron,
Yes, I was attempting to link 2 people who were already in the database as
father and daughter. And, I was adding the mother who had not previously been
in the database. I thought that was what I said; sorry if I wasn't clear.
Unfortunately I don't remember the exact sequence I used. B
Ron,
But there are both options: (1) Add a mother or father to the child, and (2)
Add a daughter (in my case) to the parents. With both options, a pop up screen
appears asking whether you want to add a new person, or link to an existing
person.
If the only way to prevent "unknown" people I'
I know this topic has been discussed several times before, in one manner or
another, but I can't come up with the proper search terms to find what I need
in the Archives.
Yesterday, I attempted to link two individuals who were already in my database
as father and daughter. The father was in m
--- On Fri, 7/17/09, Leonard Johnson Sweden wrote:
> Thank you so much for the link.
> I have now downloaded the software. This software seems to
> be designed to work with Legacy. I know that Geoff at
> Millennia was working on somethings similiar, but that has
> not come so far. I have u
ust apologize to the list since I
> guess I forgot to advise the LUG that the issue was
> recorded.
>
> Brian
> Customer Support
> Millennia Corporation
> br...@legacyfamilytree.com
> http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com
>
>
> Connie Sheets wrote:
> > I have not b
Paula,
You did not ask a stupid question. In fact, you explained quite nicely why I
ignore the surety level completely. What I might rate a 3, you might rate a 4;
and what I rate a 3 today, I might rate a 2 next week.
What is far more relevant is the "proof argument" which can only be a
nar
Personally, I think it is a very bad idea to link people in your database until
you have obtained solid direct evidence of a relationship, or you have
completed a "reasonably exhaustive search" so that you can construct a proof
argument using indirect evidence. (It's more complicated than that
I have not been able to keep up with reading the list the last couple of
months, so my apologies if this has been discussed recently. I checked the
archives and found only one reference:
Back in January, Jennifer Trahan asked for verification that others were
experiencing difficulty with Sour
Cathy wrote:
> Does anyone have a listing of "out of the ordinary
> events" along with applicable sentence structures?
>
> For example, I found a reference to the registered
> "ear marks" used to brand an ancestor's cattle
> but am unsure how to add it to my database. With city
> directories,
mage, you will need to purchase a good OCR program (I haven't seen
such a thing, but perhaps one exists), or retype the documents. Personally,
I'd opt for the latter if for some reason I didn't want to attach a scan (jpg,
pdf format, etc.).
Connie Sheets
Arizona
Dennis M. Kowallek wrote:
> I don't do anything special. I just use search and
> replace when needed.
>
> I doubt if the programmers will ever do these things.
> Sourcing is hard
> enough for some people to grasp and adding an extra layer
> would probably
> cause much confusion. Just look at ho
Kay,
I'm using the same build as you, and on my one example entered since installing
this build, it shows properly on Print Preview of an FGS as cal not ber (also a
calculated birth).
Connie
Kay Fordham wrote:
> Using 7.0.0.90
> Build Date of: 13 March 2009
>
> When I use the calendar fe
Alan,
I'm afraid I don't understand what you are asking for if Source Clipboard
doesn't do it?
Source Clipboard allows you do reuse the exact same Master Source and Detail
over and over again. You will have only one footnote in your reports as your
original post requested. It seems to me if
Pam,
I'm not LDS so am clueless as to the detail you need for temple work, but yes,
what I would do is add a source note that says "marriage date is estimated from
birth date of oldest child."
Connie
Pam O'Dell wrote:
>
> I am estimating a marriage date based on the birth year of
> th
Alan Jones wrote:
> I am trying to follow Legalcy's process for Master
> Sources and then Source Detail for info on the particular
> person/event. However in some cases the detail info is such
> that I could use it for more than one event. Is there a way
> to cite the same source detail (not j
26/09, Connie Sheets wrote:
> Pam O'Dell wrote:
>
> > I have photocopies of about 100 family sheets that my
> great
> > uncle prepared back in the 50's (before I was
> born). Is
> > there a particular way this type of info should be
> sourced?
>
Pam O'Dell wrote:
> I have photocopies of about 100 family sheets that my great
> uncle prepared back in the 50's (before I was born). Is
> there a particular way this type of info should be sourced?
I would use the Family Group Sheet or Artifacts>Privately Held template; I have
found I have
Pam O'Dell wrote:
> Does anyone know how to properly source and estimated date?
What sources are you using to estimate the date? You would cite those sources,
just as you cite a source (or several sources) for a specific date.
For example, if you've found your person on the 1850 census, w
Penny,
I use country names in my database only when entering data for distant cousins
who migrated to Canada or who just happened to die in the Phillipines, as all
my people were otherwise in what became the US long before it became the US (my
most recent immigrant arrived about 1760).
So on
Kathleen,
The generally accepted standard is to record locations as they were at the time
the event occurred. You can add a note indicating where the location is
currently.
This is important in order to locate additional relevant records. In many
cases, the records will still be in the old
Kathy Shiell-Stokes wrote:
> Just curious how other users track communication links
> amongst their family members. In my case, tracking those
> linkages could lead to new sources of information. Some
> links could potentially be between completely separate
> families. Let me give you an exampl
Bob wrote:
> What is the general concensus regarding where to put general
> information - Notes or Events?
>
> A lot of the items I put into events has written data to
> explain the event, but it is a bit awkward to have to refer
> to the event statement to read it. Should entries such as
> a
Ron wrote:
> When Legacy is installed the install log is created. It is
> also clear that some users find that they no longer have the
> log file in their system. The one thing which they all have
> in common is that they have correctly tried to uninstall
> Legacy using the Window's Add/Remove f
?
>
> Sherry
> Customer Support
> Millennia Corporation
> supp...@legacyfamilytree.com
> http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com
> [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf
> Of Connie Sheets
>
; We are changing the world of genealogy!
>
> When replying to this message, please include all previous
> correspondence.
> Thanks.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com
> [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf
> Of Connie Sheets
>
Sherry,
I'm not sure if you're talking about the current .90 build, or another build
you have in the pipeline, but I wanted to clarify (in case it is important for
the programmers) that the problem I had with the missing install.log file (and
it most definitely was missing) happened only after
William F. Reid -
Elizabeth Holland, citing Tazewell Co. Marriages, Vol 1, p. 37
--- On Mon, 3/30/09, Connie Sheets wrote:
> From: Connie Sheets
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Effect of Master Source Overrides and Preventing
> Disappearing Details in Subsequent Citations
> To: LegacyUserGro
Ward,
First, thanks to you and Ron for the reminder about Ctrl+i. I also realized
after posting that it is not just the Subsequent Citations capability that
would lead me to choose Sourcewriter+Override instead of Basic; it also allows
for a properly formatted Bibliography.
I misspoke when I
Ward,
It appears that you have a response similar to the one I received yesterday. I
have not yet taken the time to fully comprehend it, or experimented to figure
out what it means "in practice." (Your post below is more understandable to me
than what I received from Support).
Off the top o
Apparently, lurking for long is not in my nature. I hope I don't stir the pot
further, but I have questions I need answers to. They are just as important to
my being a successful user of Legacy, if not more so, than when I asked for
help with my print/preview problem last weekend.
The list g
Because of the intensity and frequency of private flaming that I have been
receiving from this list over the last few weeks, I will be reverting to as
close to "lurker" mode as I can muster, and am contemplating leaving the list.
I have always done my best to be helpful and keep to topic. Quit
My apology if this is a duplicate for anyone; I sent it yesterday morning but
never received it through the list and can't find it in the archives.
--- On Thu, 3/26/09, Kris wrote:
> This issue recently came up (in another context) on another
> list I read. I thought at the time, and I still
Thomas Herson wrote:
> Hugh and Connie,
>
> Please help me understand exactly what information you are
> not able to enter in Legacy. Using the several
> "Notes" areas, you should be able to enter any
> text, census transcipts, deeds, etc.
> After using the program for several years I've never
Janis,
I will answer your questions privately, but I wanted to post a partial response
to Question #1 publicly, as I think it is germane to the use of Legacy. There
may be someone out there struggling silently with what I have struggled with
for years who can benefit from what I've learned.
wanted to know about how Legacy and Windows XP work. And I got practice
doing another kind of detective work, similar to what we do when we search for
our ancestors.
Connie
--- On Sun, 3/22/09, Connie Sheets wrote:
> From: Connie Sheets
> Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Unable to
--- On Sun, 3/22/09, Sherry/Support wrote:
> From: Sherry/Support
> Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Unable to Uninstall; Missing Install.log file
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 3:57 PM
>
With Legacy closed, go to the Legacy folder on your hard
> drive. Delet
If the person who was having problems a week or two ago with the missing
install.log file is still reading the list, he may be interested to know I
think I have duplicated his problem.
As part of my quest to rectify my unable to preview or print problem, I tried
to uninstall Legacy. I used Ad
ronald ferguson wrote:
> Connie,
>
> Before doing a System Restore I would try "Last Known
> Good Configuration" - it's in the same place as the
> "Safe Mode" - I don't know where that is on
> your PC but on mine it's f8 on start up (I think!).
>
> Whether either would solve a problem which
--- On Sat, 3/21/09, ronald ferguson wrote:
> Connie,
>
> The first thing which I would try would be to close and
> reopen Legacy, if that does not work then do the same with
> your PC.
>
> I would then try running File Maintenance>Check/Repair,
> then if no luck, deleting the .usr file for
I just discovered that every time I click on Preview a report (at least with
the Pedigree or Family Group Record reports), my system "freezes" or "hangs."
I'm not getting an error message. This is a new behavior with the 7.0.0.90
update.
Can anyone duplicate this?
Thanks!!!
Connie
Dede Holden wrote:
>> I have a question regarding source formatting on the Family
> Group
> Report. I'm using the Sourcewriter Family Group
> Sheet-Privately Held
> template. I have source detail and a comment on the
> detail. Why is
> there a semi-colon inserted at the beginning of the detail
Vicki,
If you are working with indexes you find online, I would probably use the
Internet > Database template.
If actual divorce records, I would start with the Court records templates.
I always experiment with how each template "prints" to get the best results:
you can leave fields blank o
Thanks, Jenny. I've had several templates work for the first few lines, but
get the error and shut down when I'm entering data on the last or next to last
data field.
I will experiment with bottom up entry and see what happens and used saved
sources when possible. I think Dave mentioned he
I am curious if anyone who (1) had been using Sourcewriter prior to the latest
update, and (2) has installed 7.0.0.89 is able to use SourceWriter at all, for
any template. If so, which templates work?
I seem to have no recourse except to revert to the Basic Source system, which I
have, up to
To add one source to multiple facts (the basic ones, i.e. name, birthdate,
death date, burial), you must first load the source onto the source clipboard.
You must also enter the data into each field.
Then, look at the left hand side of the edit screen, and you will see 4 blue
symbols; choose
Since far too many Ancestry trees are complete works of fiction, I too would be
very hesitant to enter the data into Legacy, however, if for some reason I did
do so, I would use the Internet > Database template.
Connie
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Janis wrote:
> The Subsequent Citation issue is a troubling one. For the
> most part, I do
> narratives and reconstruct citations "by hand,"
> rather than relying on
> reports. Even so, there are occasions when I would like to
> kick out a little
> booklet for an interested family member...
Tha
> I have been a user of the Basic version of source entry and
> had built
> my own templates over time I'm comfortable using.
> Yesteday I thought
> I'd play around some with the Sourcewriter entry
> process on my 'Test'
> database. Today I'm working on my 'Main'
> database and went to add a
> n
Ward,
I had some correspondence with Customer Service a couple of months ago, but I
believe it was specific to the full citations, rather than subsequent
citations, always printing on FGS, Individual Reports, etc. (I wasn't sure at
the time exactly which problem was being discussed). I was a
Dede,
Confirming the problem (which I've never seen before the 7.0.0.89 update; I
have used the templates you mention with previous version 7 builds). For the
1900 census, I was able to enter data in several fields on Step 2, but it
popped up when I started to type in the URL field. On the A
Actually, now that I think about it longer, you may want to set the Primary
Condition as Individual - Master Source - contains Lancashire 1861, then add a
second condition as I described.
--- On Sun, 3/8/09, Connie Sheets wrote:
> Frances wrote:
>
> > > Is there any way t
Frances wrote:
> > Is there any way to create a list by source detail, as
> opposed to Master source?
> For example. My master source is English Census Lancashire
> 1861. I have several records covering different streets and
> areas within Lancashire in 1861, each with its own source
> detail. I
Ron Goodwin wrote:
> For some time now I have been creating my obituaries as the
> main source
> title, such as - "Obituary - Joseph Yeager".
>
> I'm now thinking that to be in line with more
> knowledgeable LUG members,
> that perhaps I should change the source to "Newspaper
> - obituary" and
--- On Wed, 3/4/09, CE WOOD wrote:
> However, if there was the option to set Surety Levels for
> each source, you could always change it for any specific use
> of the source.
What am I missing in this discussion?
There is a way to set the surety level for each source: While there is a
g
I like the way things are, and would not be happy if the global surety setting
was no longer available or if I had to mess around with too many additional
options. There is already an option to exclude a source from printing, and the
system for setting a surety level seems simple and easy to u
Will,
It appears to be a glitch in the software. In the Evidence Explained
QuickCheck Models which use the term Collection (and on which the Legacy
templates are based), the name of the collection appears in the full citation,
not just the bibliography/source list. See pp. 312 and 318 of EE.
It would be impossible for Legacy to identify every possible event type that
someone wants to enter, or for Evidence Explained, the book on which the source
templates are developed, to provide examples for every possible source.
Therefore:
Create your own Event, however you want it to read, e.
#x27;t
work. (The whole purpose of gedcom is to allow movement of data between
programs, regardless of the program).
If FTL Gencircles doesn't have the capability of making a gedcom for export,
then I'm at a loss. That would be FTL Gencircles problem, not a Legacy problem.
Connie
Jenny and Meg,
Your 3 Quick bookmarks will not change if you set them in the quick bookmark
area at the bottom of the screen after bookmarking them with the bookmark icon.
See the Help file for details.
Connie
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or the screen. They continue to be the same 3 people, and the others
are added to the top of the list.
Connie Sheets
Arizona
--- On Mon, 2/23/09, Meg Greenwood wrote:
>
> Using the Quick Bookmarks is easy with a right clik on the
> little Bookmark icon. I see the 3 spaces
rscripts 3, after each event sentence).
Are others experiencing this, or did I mis-select something?
Connie Sheets
Arizona
--- On Mon, 2/16/09, RICHARD SCHULTHIES wrote:
>
> What settings are you using for 'Options for Descendent
> Narrative Book', 'Format',
And if you don't want to use the pre-programmed sentence structures at all,
just put [Notes][Sources] in the Sentence override box, then type away in the
Notes box. (That is my solution to the pesky, stilted sentence structures that
don't read at all how I want them to).
Connie Shee
appearing after your notes:
He appeared on the [Date] census in [Place]. [Notes] [Sources].
Hope this helps,
Connie Sheets
Arizona
--- On Mon, 2/16/09, Marianne Szabo wrote:
> From: Marianne Szabo
> Subject: [LegacyUG] Source citation superscript in Events - Sentence override
lates end up in Legacy.
I used the "Artifacts, privately held" template to create the following source
which I think is similar to what you are asking for:
Jane Doe, "Sheets Family Charts and Group Sheets," 1994; privately held by
Connie Sheets, 2008. Ms. Doe, the great-g
Michele Lewis wrote:
> It prints in the reports (all of them) with just the
> overwritten source information. It won't print out the
> overridden DETAIL information.
>
> How can I get this to print properly? I have to have the
> details!
>
So do I, but there is no fix at this point that I'
E, you can
go to the page/section number in Legacy and select the template.
In other words, it looks like we have two choices for finding templates: by
name, and by page/section number in EE.
Nice feature; and thanks for letting us know it existed. It will save me
considerable guessing as to w
use the
most.
The only thing I put under Marriage is the marriage. It makes no sense to me
to record things like Census or Residence as a Marriage Event but to each his
own: that is the beauty of Legacy.
Connie Sheets
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is intended to be a style
guide. The grammar and punctuation police aren't likely to fine me too heavily
if I don't dot every I and cross every T exactly the same way ESM would).
I, for one, am grateful to Legacy for attempting to incorporate the EE formats
so that I have less work to do
Judy,
I too have transcribed some lengthy obits, biographies, etc. into Event Notes
without running into this problem, but if I did, the first thing I would
probably do is extract, rather than transcribe, the document, using ...
judiciously to indicate where I have omitted words, phrases or per
sults in a citation that is, as near as I
can tell with a quick check of EE, completely in compliance with standards.
Connie Sheets
--- On Sun, 1/25/09, Arnold Sprague wrote:
> I have come across a goodly number of books which are
> Compiled By, not Authored By nor Edited by as are the
&
e for in Events, rather than General Notes.
I hope this makes sense...
Connie Sheets
Glendale, AZ
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Online technica
)
Highlight topic
Click on Display (at bottom of topic list)
The results will tell you that to create a PDF file:
>From Publish (or any relevant report), select PDF format (bottom of right hand
>side of Publish window)
Click on Create
Name the file
Save the file...
Hope this help
Ron,
I have reported these issues as bugs at least a month or two ago. I did
receive correspondence from Support about one of them (the fact that subsequent
citations don't print on Individual and Family Group Sheet reports), but have
no acknowledgment of the others.
Actually, my reference wa
--- On Sat, 1/10/09, ronald ferguson wrote:
> Ward,
>
> Have you checked since the last update was issued? By far
> the majority of problems have been resolved. I did notice
> that if a footnote was right at the bottom of the page then
> it could be lost, but as I cannot replicate it now I assu
For a somewhat different prospective:
I have not studied your problem closely, but from what I have gleaned, you in
fact do not know how (or even if) these two people are actually related.
I never link people in my database until I have documentation to support the
link. I enter suspected or
Thanks, Dennis. That's what I suspected but thought I'd run it by the list
first.
Dennis M. Kowallek wrote:
> > On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:11:34 -0800 (PST), Connie Sheets
> wrote:
>
> > >
> >When I try to delete them individually, I get:
> >
> &g
I consider myself middle of the road, but may lean more toward splitting than
lumping, though I think there must be extreme lumpers (putting all newspapers
in one source would be an extreme lumper IMO) and extreme splitters (making a
separate master source for each census household would be an
Running 7.0.0.76 on an XP system:
A couple of years ago (with an obviously earlier edition of Legacy), I
experimented with Research Guidance and automatically added several To-Do items
for one individual in my database. This added several Sources I've never
actually consulted to my Master Sour
I agree with Mary: it is intended to be the date you enter/record the info
into your database. (I suppose as with anything else, you could use it for
something else, though I'd be careful to be sure I was consistent and
documented somewhere how I defined it so others who come along later would
--- On Mon, 12/8/08, Ward Walker wrote:
> > Connie,
>
> For the fields of the master source, there is no problem or
> ambiguity when the short form gets used. The master never
> changes from citation to citation. Your only bug is that the
> short form (subsequent citation) is being used in some
to do
considerable editing.
Connie
--- On Tue, 12/9/08, Elizabeth Richardson wrote:
> > Connie - do you have a need to edit the report? The
> citations do print as footnotes if your output is to pdf.
>
>
> - Original Message - From: "Connie
> Sheets"
> T
Elizabeth M. wrote:
> 2. Work on the word-processing capability, so we don't
> have to import into
> other software to create readable biographies, adequate
> discussions of
> problems, and proper punctuation--after which we still have
> the problem of
> stuffing the genie back into the bottle.
s (once the bugs are fixed) to read like
they should regarding subsequent citations, it looks as though my only option
is to ignore the subsequent citation format for the Master Source and make sure
I create overrides for each and every detail
Connie Sheets
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What am I missing here?
Connie Sheets
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--- Gen Searcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello Connie
> I picked up that you file alphabetically, how would you
> file a married couple
> I can see that all unmarried people could be done by
> alphabet but I just wondered do you file the husband and
> wife separately
> Regards
> John
John
y are just something else to clutter the brain, IMO.
It doesn't matter who you enter first; you could start with a 3rd cousin twice
removed. If you decide you do have a use for the RINs, you can always change
them later if you don't like how they are automatically assigned.
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