Re: [MBZ] The Laffer curve

2012-11-11 Thread Jon Agne
The Laffer Curve is a brilliant economic theory which makes total sense. Unfortunately, I have never seen anyone who can definitely put empirical data on it, or scale the axes with any certainty. I do not understand anyone can completely blame the federal debt on Democrats. Under Reagan,

Re: [MBZ] The Laffer curve

2012-11-11 Thread Peter Frederick
When I lived in Canada, the Reform Party handed out a flier with a graph of the national debt vs time and party. I think I kept it, but it's buried in all the junk in the basement I've not looked at in years, but I'll describe it. When the Liberals/Labour/New Democrats were in power, the

Re: [MBZ] Made it to SC

2012-11-11 Thread Max Dillon
Start simple/cheap and work toward complex/expensive. Problems which present during a long drive are generally fuel/fuel leak related. DV o-ring leaks are visible/easy to spot. I'd start with fresh fuel filters and valve adjustment. If the primer pump is original and leaks when you operate

Re: [MBZ] Made it to SC

2012-11-11 Thread Michael Canfield
Hi Max, Nice to get a call from you the other day. Wish we had more time to play so we could have gotten together. Had to change the small filter on the road. Does not miss a beat at high rpm/ high fuel demand uphill 80mph runs so it is not a clogged filter. I see no air bubbles in the

Re: [MBZ] OT Quotes with comment

2012-11-11 Thread Michael Canfield
Opels were sold along with the Buick line when they were imported by GM. Mike On Nov 7, 2012 7:59 PM, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote: On Nov 7, 2012 7:32 PM, Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au wrote: Opel (German version of GM) has just entered the Oz market

Re: [MBZ] The Laffer curve

2012-11-11 Thread Craig
On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 07:11:46 -0500 Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net wrote: I do not understand anyone can completely blame the federal debt on Democrats. Under Reagan, the FD rose from approximately $900 billion to approximately $2.8 trillion...that's about 211%. And I liked Reagan and voted for

Re: [MBZ] The Laffer curve

2012-11-11 Thread Craig
On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 07:27:44 -0600 Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: This is also true in the US -- debt almost always explodes when the Republicans are in power and falls when Democrats are. The stock market does much better under Democrats, too, on average (although that's

Re: [MBZ] The Laffer curve

2012-11-11 Thread Jon Agne
I think it normally works this way: 1) The President proposes a budget, and 2) Congress passes the budget. If you look historically, almost all budgets were within 3% (plus or minus) of what each President has proposed. On Nov 11, 2012, at 10:08 AM, Craig wrote: On Sun, 11 Nov 2012

Re: [MBZ] The Laffer curve

2012-11-11 Thread Craig
On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 10:21:14 -0500 Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net wrote: I think it normally works this way: 1) The President proposes a budget, and 2) Congress passes the budget. It's supposed to be: 1) The House of Representatives develops and passes a budget bill, 2) The Senate also passes the

Re: [MBZ] OT Quotes with comment

2012-11-11 Thread Dan Penoff
My Dad was an executive VP of a GM division (GMAC) in the 60s, and like all of the GM execs, he got program cars and dibs on anything else they had for the most part. When the Opel arrangement went in the tank in the late 60s, they gave him the option to pick whatever he wanted from the

Re: [MBZ] The Laffer curve

2012-11-11 Thread Dan Penoff
Is it time for someone to mention Hitler? grin Dan On Nov 11, 2012, at 10:28 AM, Craig wrote: On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 10:21:14 -0500 Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net wrote: I think it normally works this way: 1) The President proposes a budget, and 2) Congress passes the budget. It's supposed

Re: [MBZ] N2 in my tires

2012-11-11 Thread Craig
On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 11:27:04 -0500 Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I use a mixture of nitrogen and exotic gases in my cars. Nitrogen, oxygen, argon, krypton, xenon, and neon? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts

Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: OT Quotes with comment

2012-11-11 Thread Jim Cathey
I remember that car [Kadett] well, as it was so poorly built and tin cannish it wasn't funny. My HS math teacher had a Kadett. (Logging town, B school, you can imagine the pay grade.) She lived with her parents, and I think the Kadett was well-used by that time. Not much of a car, is what

Re: [MBZ] Made it to SC

2012-11-11 Thread Dan Penoff
If they are old and brittle, when you touch them they will crack. Guaranteed. I learned a long time ago to always have a meter of new return line handy any time I touched one I had not personally replaced in the past. Also, be careful when you remove them from the injectors. If you use a

Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: OT Quotes with comment

2012-11-11 Thread Rich Thomas
My cousin had one of those things back when, it was like his first new car after a Valiant with push-button shifter for the auto box. He thrashed the *** out of the thing. He really wanted the Opel GT but could only afford the Kadett but he would slam powershifts on it. I remember riding

Re: [MBZ] N2 in my tires

2012-11-11 Thread Fmiser
Rich Thomas wrote: I use a mixture of nitrogen and exotic gases in my cars. Craig wrote: Nitrogen, oxygen, argon, krypton, xenon, and neon? The stuff I use has little carbon dioxide, methane, and helium and water vapor too, I think. I wasn't aware the mixture I'm using contained

Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: OT Quotes with comment

2012-11-11 Thread dave walton
In Europe, the Opel line has a reputation similar to the Yugo here. I drove an Opel Manta in the 70's. Okay car but a bit tinny. It had fuel injection a full decade before it became popular with US automakers. There was a joke in Germany - Why do Opel owners keep a bale of straw in the back seat?

Re: [MBZ] OT: Veterans'/Armistice Day

2012-11-11 Thread Dan Penoff
What he said. Thank you for your service to our country. Dan On Nov 11, 2012, at 1:38 PM, Tim C wrote: I know many of you on the list are veterans of the armed forces, and spent many of your strongest years in the service of the United States and other nations instead of pursuing your own

Re: [MBZ] OT: Veterans'/Armistice Day

2012-11-11 Thread Rick Knoble
On Nov 11, 2012, at 1:38 PM, Tim C wrote: I know many of you on the list are veterans of the armed forces, and spent many of your strongest years in the service of the United States and other nations instead of pursuing your own ambitions. Thank you for your and your families' sacrifices

Re: [MBZ] The Laffer curve

2012-11-11 Thread Tim C
On Nov 11, 2012 10:45 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Is it time for someone to mention Hitler? grin Well, Craig mentioned cash for clunkers, which I seem to recall was in the scope of the main list. Speaking of: - I noticed the junk yard is now stocking a lot more older (i.e. 70-80s)

Re: [MBZ] Made it to SC

2012-11-11 Thread Michael Canfield
Just went out and looked for a couple minutesthere is a wet spot under the primer pump. Time for a new one of those first. Mike On Nov 11, 2012 12:25 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: If they are old and brittle, when you touch them they will crack. Guaranteed. I learned a long

Re: [MBZ] The Laffer curve

2012-11-11 Thread Dieselhead
Last time I checked, the US of A has not had a budget for 4 years, in violation of the constitution. I think it normally works this way: 1) The President proposes a budget, and 2) Congress passes the budget. If you look historically, almost all budgets were within 3% (plus or minus) of

Re: [MBZ] The Laffer curve

2012-11-11 Thread Max Dillon
I'm in favor of impeaching them all and electing a fresh group, preferably with no prior experience! -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Last time I checked, the US of A has not had a budget for 4 years, in violation of the constitution. I

Re: [MBZ] Made it to SC

2012-11-11 Thread Max Dillon
I'm skeptical that a new style pump would be the culprit, look also for leaking DV or hoses near primary filter. Hard starting is a great symptom for air leaking in, primer pump is the classic entry point. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:

Re: [MBZ] Made it to SC

2012-11-11 Thread Michael Canfield
Max, I was skeptical as well. It is certainly leaking from up under the plunger. Mike On Nov 11, 2012 3:10 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: I'm skeptical that a new style pump would be the culprit, look also for leaking DV or hoses near primary filter. Hard starting is a

Re: [MBZ] The Laffer curve

2012-11-11 Thread Craig
On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 15:08:22 -0500 Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: I'm in favor of impeaching them all and electing a fresh group, preferably with no prior experience! Aye! There's the rub! Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used

Re: [MBZ] Made it to SC

2012-11-11 Thread Max Dillon
Well at least you know the likely solution! -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote: Max, I was skeptical as well. It is certainly leaking from up under the plunger. Mike On Nov 11, 2012 3:10 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote:

Re: [MBZ] The Laffer curve

2012-11-11 Thread Larry T
You wrote a fresh group, preferably with no prior experience Hmmm.. that sounds a lot like the executive branch we have now... LarryT Let your engine tell you how healthy it is! Visit www.youroil.net For Inexpensive Oil Test Kits! - Original Message - From: Max Dillon

Re: [MBZ] Junk yards; was - The Laffer curve

2012-11-11 Thread Fmiser
Tim C wrote: - I noticed the junk yard is now stocking a lot more older (i.e. 70-80s) cars than a couple of years ago. I see the opposite trend here. There are a couple yards that still have older stuff, but most seem to sell it off for scrap. -- Philip

Re: [MBZ] OT Quotes with comment

2012-11-11 Thread Gerry Archer
BIL loved Studebakers. When they went under, he bought Chevys and then a Pinto. About ten miles out of Tampa on the way to Pennsylvania, the Pinto caught fire. For the rest of his life he was happy with a GM car independently made in Tennessee; I forget its name. Gerry...who bent Studebaker

Re: [MBZ] The Laffer curve

2012-11-11 Thread Peter Frederick
Only problem with that is the learning curve is VERY steep. And we pay the consequences of that! Having served on a number of board and as president of a few volunteer organizations, you really need experienced people, avoids all sorts of learning curve errors. On the flip side,

[MBZ] OT BMW's next major advance

2012-11-11 Thread Rich Thomas
http://www.engadget.com/2012/11/11/bmws-performance-sport-steering-wheel-brings-vehicle-data-right/ But will it be able to tell the driver to turn the aux lights off? --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search

Re: [MBZ] N2 in my tires

2012-11-11 Thread WILTON
Me, too - commonly known as air. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] N2 in my tires I use a mixture of nitrogen and exotic

Re: [MBZ] OT: Veterans'/Armistice Day

2012-11-11 Thread WILTON
Thanks; 'glad to have had the opportunity. Wilton - Original Message - From: Tim C bb...@crone.us To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 1:38 PM Subject: [MBZ] OT: Veterans'/Armistice Day I know many of you on the list are veterans of the armed

[MBZ] 123 still looking good!

2012-11-11 Thread WILTON
At about noon today, I was cruising at about 75+ mph on I-40 westbound between Raleigh and Chapel Hill with a pack of 50 to 60 cars four abreast. The cars were of all makes and colors, of course, and mostly new to nearly new. The interesting thing about the pack, though, was the white

Re: [MBZ] 123 still looking good!

2012-11-11 Thread Michael Canfield
Nice story Wilton. I saw a lot of nice MBZ cars while flying through NC @ 85mph with my black w123 the other day. I only saw one other 123 the whole trip from NY to SC and back. Mike On Nov 11, 2012 6:20 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: At about noon today, I was cruising at about 75+ mph

Re: [MBZ] 123 still looking good!

2012-11-11 Thread Bob Rentfro
That causes me to remember how MB drivers used to wave at each other as they drove about back in the late'70s. These days I always wave at any other 123 I see but usually the people look at me like I'm a creeper or something. Bob.R On Nov 11, 2012 4:20 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: At

Re: [MBZ] N2 in my tires

2012-11-11 Thread clay monroe
I much prefer methane. Allows me to reseat the rubber when it gets off the rim. Toss a match clay On Nov 11, 2012, at 8:43 AM, Craig wrote: On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 11:27:04 -0500 Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I use a mixture of nitrogen and exotic gases in my

Re: [MBZ] Junk yards; was - The Laffer curve

2012-11-11 Thread clay monroe
I am seeing far fewer imports of age but a goodly number of many forms of older American iron in the yards. Hard to find a 126. but lots of w124. The 70's and 60's cars are US. clay On Nov 11, 2012, at 2:11 PM, Fmiser wrote: Tim C wrote: - I noticed the junk yard is now stocking a lot

Re: [MBZ] 123 still looking good!

2012-11-11 Thread clay monroe
I can still count on my fellow two wheelers to wave. Rice burner boys are not prone to wave. I suspect their manhood is stunted and does not allow hand movements while trying to keep balanced. clay On Nov 11, 2012, at 4:27 PM, Bob Rentfro wrote: That causes me to remember how MB drivers

Re: [MBZ] 123 still looking good!

2012-11-11 Thread Michael Canfield
Funny. Me too. Mike On Nov 11, 2012 7:27 PM, Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: That causes me to remember how MB drivers used to wave at each other as they drove about back in the late'70s. These days I always wave at any other 123 I see but usually the people look at me like I'm a

Re: [MBZ] N2 in my tires

2012-11-11 Thread Craig
On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 11:33:28 -0600 Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Rich Thomas wrote: I use a mixture of nitrogen and exotic gases in my cars. Craig wrote: Nitrogen, oxygen, argon, krypton, xenon, and neon? The stuff I use has little carbon dioxide, methane, and helium and

Re: [MBZ] 123 still looking good!

2012-11-11 Thread Dieselhead
I can still count on my fellow two wheelers to wave. Rice burner boys are not prone to wave. I suspect their manhood is stunted and does not allow hand movements while trying to keep balanced. clay In the years BTW, everyone waved. Even the state peetrol. Then it was trucks saluting

Re: [MBZ] OT: Veterans'/Armistice Day

2012-11-11 Thread Max Dillon
Well said and seconded. If I could start over again at the beginning, wouldn't hesitate a second. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Thanks; 'glad to have had the opportunity. Wilton - Original Message - From: Tim C bb...@crone.us To:

Re: [MBZ] 123 still looking good!

2012-11-11 Thread WILTON
50 years ago, while I was in B-52 training in CA, a friend and his wife were at our house one evening for dinner. Friend suddenly realized he had forgotten to swing past post office to mail a certain letter on the way over. He excused himself to rush to post office and back. When he came

Re: [MBZ] OT: Veterans'/Armistice Day

2012-11-11 Thread Max Dillon
Someone posted the story recently about two Marines who died repelling an insurgent attack on a Marine base in Afghanistan. Today at church I was talking with a retired Marine, turns out he's an aviator and knew and served with the LCOL who died. Small world. He knew the whole story. -- Max

Re: [MBZ] 123 still looking good!

2012-11-11 Thread Curt Raymond
There was somebody near here had an orange 123 coupe that for awhile reversed my commute. We'd wave as we passed twice daily when I drove the 240D. -Curt Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 17:27:11 -0700 From: Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re:

Re: [MBZ] 123 still looking good!

2012-11-11 Thread Curt Raymond
I find when I'm riding my '82 Honda CB900f (the granddaddy of all cafe racer type bikes, or one of the granddaddies anyway) that the Harley crowd often doesn't wave. When I'm riding my wife's Kawasaki 454 LTD they do as all they see is a cruiser. One time a guy in a gas station was convinced

Re: [MBZ] OT: Veterans'/Armistice Day

2012-11-11 Thread Dieselhead
Someone posted the story recently about two Marines who died repelling an insurgent attack on a Marine base in Afghanistan. Today at church I was talking with a retired Marine, turns out he's an aviator and knew and served with the LCOL who died. Small world. He knew the whole story. --

Re: [MBZ] Made it to SC

2012-11-11 Thread Benz Hogs
What about the oil? Are you leaking high amounts or burning it? Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (158,xxx mi) On 11/11/2012 12:25 PM, Michael Canfield wrote: Max, I was skeptical as well. It is certainly leaking from up under the plunger. Mike On Nov 11, 2012 3:10 PM,

Re: [MBZ] The Laffer curve

2012-11-11 Thread Gerry Archer
On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 15:08:22 -0500 Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: I'm in favor of impeaching them all and electing a fresh group, preferably with no prior experience! Aye! There's the rub! Craig The problem may be too many lawyers. .

Re: [MBZ] OT: Veterans'/Armistice Day

2012-11-11 Thread Craig
On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 20:49:26 -0600 Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: jump was a pilot of the last squadron of F-4s in active duty at KMCAS. He was part of the final flight of the last F-4 squadron when they flew off into the sunrise to deliver the F-4s to the boneyard. He later

Re: [MBZ] 240V

2012-11-11 Thread OK Don
On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 9:23 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 19:22:13 -0600 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: I still can't decide whether to go with Propane or Diesel. I have a 500 gal propane tank that is now only used for the grill and the small guest house

Re: [MBZ] OT: Veterans'/Armistice Day

2012-11-11 Thread WILTON
Marine Corps Air Station somewhere - K? Wilton - Original Message - From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 11:11 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Veterans'/Armistice Day On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 20:49:26 -0600 Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com

Re: [MBZ] 123 still looking good!

2012-11-11 Thread Bob Rentfro
I was a signature away from buying a Kawasaki 454 LTD back in 1980 (I think). Only time I ever considered a bike but we lived in Owatonna. MN and I couldn't justify the amount of time I thought I wouldn't be able to ride it cause it would be too cold. Probably because I never really a motorcycle

Re: [MBZ] 240V

2012-11-11 Thread OK Don
On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 10:27 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: OK - thanks! Now that I have a rational and scientific method to compare fuels, I checked on real prices. I found that Propane cost us 2.60/gal last time we filled - not the 1.60 that I quoted. Current prices are: Diesel

Re: [MBZ] OT Quotes with comment

2012-11-11 Thread OK Don
My wife bought a new Manta in 1974 - just weeks before I met her. We drove it until it rusted out enough that I decared it unsafe to drive in 1998 with almost 200k miles. It was a good car, but I maintained it after the initial few stealer checkups in it's infancy. I did note the simularity to

Re: [MBZ] OT Quotes with comment

2012-11-11 Thread OK Don
My Dad bought a new Studebaker 1/2 ton short bed pickup in 1959 when the local dealer went out of business. He kept/used it until a Studebaker collector talked him out of it 40+ years later. On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.comwrote: BIL loved Studebakers. When

Re: [MBZ] The Laffer curve

2012-11-11 Thread Craig
On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 23:30:16 -0600 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Didn't Shakespeare write The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers.? - Yes, *Henry The Sixth, Part 2 Act 4, scene 2, 71– 78*http://www.enotes.com/henryvi-ii-text/act-iv-scene-2#killlawyers. Where are the English majors

Re: [MBZ] N2 in my tires

2012-11-11 Thread OK Don
I've been joking that I should fill the airplane tires with helium - then the wings, non-passenger areas of the fuselage, etc. On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 11:25 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: And some helium! It makes the car lighter and increases mileage. --R On

Re: [MBZ] The Laffer curve

2012-11-11 Thread OK Don
But it's a holiday tomorrow, can't I stay up late Dad? On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 11:31 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 23:30:16 -0600 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Didn't Shakespeare write The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers.? - Yes, *Henry The

Re: [MBZ] OT: Veterans'/Armistice Day

2012-11-11 Thread Dieselhead
DING DING DING! Wilton wins again! Kaneohe MCAS. Within site of where the bumster stays. It was a seaplane base in WWII. Marine Corps Air Station somewhere - K? Wilton - Original Message - From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, November 11,

Re: [MBZ] 123 still looking good, as it rolls past another broken down pomy car!

2012-11-11 Thread Hendrik Fay
You mean trying to wave down another one to borrow a Whitworth spanner or Lucas bits:-) Hendrik who does not wave at the peasants On 12/11/12 16:07, OK Don wrote: Hmm - need to remember this story - we still wave here in Okie country - at least in my neighborhood. Back when I drove one, the

Re: [MBZ] The Laughing curve

2012-11-11 Thread Hendrik Fay
One would expect English majors to be in the English army. Hendrik who is ducking for cover On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 11:31 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 23:30:16 -0600 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Didn't Shakespeare write The first thing we do, let's kill all

Re: [MBZ] OT Ford's next major advance

2012-11-11 Thread Hendrik Fay
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2012/10/in-1965-ford-wanted-everyone-to-steer-with-their-wrists-what-could-be-safer/ Hendrik who sometimes uses a joystick to steer ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

[MBZ] OT time to stand up

2012-11-11 Thread Hendrik Fay
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2012/08/red-bulls-star-spangled-f1-car/ Hendrik who stands up, as it's awkward not too ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe