Re: MySQL.org

2002-01-08 Thread Jeremy Zawodny
On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 04:38:02PM -, Andy Woolley wrote: > > Well, it certainly seems to be pointing to MySQL.com alright. > > Although the domain name registrant is still NuSphere and DNS still > appears to be handled by NuSphere's command the IPAddress it > resolves to is definitely that o

Re: MySQL.org

2001-12-30 Thread Andy Woolley
just carrot dangling. Does anyone have any info from the team yet? Regards Andy. - Original Message - From: "Frederick L. Steinkopf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 3:09 PM Subject: MySQL.org > I see the MySQL.org is

MySQL.org

2001-12-30 Thread Frederick L. Steinkopf
I see the MySQL.org is now pointing to the MySQL.com site. I have not been able to get an update anywhere on the Nusphere / MySQL lawsuit. The was no recent news on the MySQL site and nusphere seems to be having server problems. Can anyone shed some light on the latest? sql, mysql Fred

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-21 Thread Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO
Too bad it's not your list to make that decision, but Monteys Ruben mysql - the database written and owned by MYSQL AB > On Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 01:13:15PM +0100, Mark Tiramani wrote: > > > > > Since these issues are between two private companies, please take > > > your discussions off this li

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-21 Thread Bob Hall
On Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 12:29:52PM -0400, Britt Johnston wrote: > MySQL AB and NuSphere had a meeting over the phone, we exchanged > information and opinions and NuSphere will propose times for the > next meeting. > > Britt... Britt, thanks for the update. The neutral tone and lack of substanti

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-21 Thread Bob Hall
On Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 12:29:52PM -0400, Britt Johnston wrote: > MySQL AB and NuSphere had a meeting over the phone, we exchanged > information and opinions and NuSphere will propose times for the > next meeting. > > Britt... Britt, thanks for the update. The neutral tone and lack of result ma

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-21 Thread Van
John Birrell wrote: > > On Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 01:13:15PM +0100, Mark Tiramani wrote: > > > > > Since these issues are between two private companies, please take > > > your discussions off this list. It is none of our business. By > > > all means, tell us the result. > > > > This discussion most

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-21 Thread John Birrell
On Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 01:13:15PM +0100, Mark Tiramani wrote: > > > Since these issues are between two private companies, please take > > your discussions off this list. It is none of our business. By > > all means, tell us the result. > > This discussion most certainly is our business. No it'

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-21 Thread Mark Tiramani
> Since these issues are between two private companies, please take > your discussions off this list. It is none of our business. By > all means, tell us the result. This discussion most certainly is our business. I would appeal to both MySQL AB and NuShphere to keep discussions as public as i

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-20 Thread Thomas J Keller
John Birrell wrote: > On Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 12:29:52PM -0400, Britt Johnston wrote: > > MySQL AB and NuSphere had a meeting over the phone, we exchanged > > information and opinions and NuSphere will propose times for the > > next meeting. > Since these issues are between two private companies,

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-20 Thread John Birrell
On Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 12:29:52PM -0400, Britt Johnston wrote: > MySQL AB and NuSphere had a meeting over the phone, we exchanged > information and opinions and NuSphere will propose times for the > next meeting. Since these issues are between two private companies, please take your discussions

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-20 Thread Britt Johnston
MySQL AB and NuSphere had a meeting over the phone, we exchanged information and opinions and NuSphere will propose times for the next meeting. Britt... -- D. Britton Johnston 603-578-6707 Nashua Chief Technology Officer 781-280-4954 Bedford NuSphere Corporation 781-280-4600 Main 14

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-20 Thread Werner Stuerenburg
right next to the alien abduction story in the > National Enquirer. > Furthermore, their behavior secondary to this, and the proposition that they > opened the mysql.org site as a "Community" site flies right in the face > of the proposition forwarded by NuShpere that they opened

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-20 Thread Michael Meltzer
they are not bad and give you something to read in the restroom. MJM - Original Message - From: "Van" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Michael Meltzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 1:32 AM Subject: Re: mysql.org

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-20 Thread Bob Hall
On Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 09:17:31AM -0400, Bob Hall wrote: > > I think I've made it clear that I'm not enamored of NuSphere's > recent actions, which I think are remarkably bone-headed. At I'm afraid the emotions aroused by recent events have stripped away my thin veneer of reasonable civility

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-20 Thread Justin Farnsworth
[ database table sql ] Van wrote: > > Michael Meltzer wrote: > > > > thought the list might want to know, this has been picked up by a trade > > magazine, I got a copy of "interactive week" in sail mail today. (In my best > I'd have never caught that but for the list. Thanks. Wonder what th

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-20 Thread Justin Farnsworth
Van wrote: > > Michael Meltzer wrote: > > > > thought the list might want to know, this has been picked up by a trade > > magazine, I got a copy of "interactive week" in sail mail today. (In my best > I'd have never caught that but for the list. Thanks. Wonder what the audience > for that si

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-19 Thread Van
nce for that site is. Also, was particularly intrigued by the "Portal out of the Box" note. I thought Progress' only integration with MySQL was Gemini. Clearly MySQL + Gemini != Portal. Hmmm! I'm (probably?) not going anywhere with this, but, perhaps someone should order t

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-19 Thread Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO
> > MYSQL.NET > XMYSQL.COM > MYSQLPHP.COM > PHPMYSQL.COM > MYSQL-PHP.COM > MYSQLHOST.COM > > -S > > Aside from being incorrect about the process of tradmarking in the US and the ability to defend a trademark while awaiting registry, all these above websites are not claiming to be the off

Re: Re: mysql.org

2001-07-19 Thread Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO
> > I think you see evil people, conspiracies and other unwanted stuff when > in fact there are only misunderstandings and opposing viewpoints. > > I'm with Bob Hall on this one. Excellent statement Bob! > > -S > > Their is no conpsirisy, there is only one company trying to steel

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-19 Thread Michael Meltzer
thought the list might want to know, this has been picked up by a trade magazine, I got a copy of "interactive week" in sail mail today. (In my best sarcastic voice)As they say in Hollywood "Any Publicity is good as long as your spell the names right". Found a web version if any one wants a look.

mysql.org

2001-07-19 Thread Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO
ight next to the alien abduction story in the National Enquirer. Furthermore, their behavior secondary to this, and the proposition that they opened the mysql.org site as a "Community" site flies right in the face of the proposition forwarded by NuShpere that they opened the site with ful

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-19 Thread John Jacques
of. What ticks us off is when our community is threatened by an organization posing to be the real thing. It's been a few months since I needed to visit the mysql web site. My heart dropped when I went to mysql.org and their was a new site were I had always gone for mysql. Then they wanted me

RE: mysql.org

2001-07-19 Thread "G. Lovén"
At 21:28 01-07-19, you wrote: > > > > > the same time, a NuSphere-controlled mysql.org doesn't strike me > > > as a disaster, provided they can do it with out shooting > > > themselves in the foot, as they are doing now. > > > > > > > &g

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-19 Thread Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO
Fact MYSQL owns their trademark Fact, what NuShpere brought form MYSQL is irrelevant as loing as they are infrringing on the MYSQL Trademark...and they were going to do WORSE until the public heat. Until they apologies fo the GPL violation, and then the Trademark infringment, they are pound sc

RE: mysql.org

2001-07-19 Thread Sander Pilon
> > > the same time, a NuSphere-controlled mysql.org doesn't strike me > > as a disaster, provided they can do it with out shooting > > themselves in the foot, as they are doing now. > > > > > Nah > > There using it as a marketing ploy to dup

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-19 Thread Marten Mickos
Dear folks at NuSphere, Thank you for your response to our open invitation. We disagree with a number of your statements, but we look forward to having a phone contact with you on Friday. Marten Mickos (database,sql,query,table) --

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-19 Thread Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO
> the same time, a NuSphere-controlled mysql.org doesn't strike me > as a disaster, provided they can do it with out shooting > themselves in the foot, as they are doing now. > Nah There using it as a marketing ploy to dup the public. The should have released their GP

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-19 Thread Bob Hall
g control of the mysql.org domain should be vehemently > rejected by the MySQL community. No matter what agreement may or may > not have been created, since MySQL AB has made it clear that this is > not what they want or intended. So to me it is obvious that any > agreement that may

RE: mysql.org

2001-07-18 Thread Martin Jeremic
First, I support mySQL and Open Source community. Maybe you can fight them with their own weapon. They have made some extra applications based on mySQL, and they sell it. You can create same applications as Open Source. - Befor

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-18 Thread Michael Collins
It seems to me that the bottom line is that any outcome that results in there being a fork in the development of MySQL (with the result being two completely different types of MySQL), or in NuSphere retaining control of the mysql.org domain should be vehemently rejected by the MySQL community

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-18 Thread Justin Farnsworth
Werner is correct in encouraging all to make up your own mind. And, it is always possible that Orwellian "DoubleSpeak" is an ingredient of these public statements and posturing. But, a great distinction must be made here, and not tie the idea of "DoubleSpeak" to a fear of manipulation, unless you

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-18 Thread B. van Ouwerkerk
>As you are aware, we are forming a not-for-profit corporation to >focus on building and supporting a larger MySQL development >community and promoting MySQL. The mysql.org domain is expected >to be transferred to that organization. NuSphere has taken the >lead and is coveri

Re[2]: mysql.org

2001-07-18 Thread Werner Stuerenburg
table > This statement/release was very ordinary, very normal, very to-the-point > for any situation such as this. Condescending, no. Condescension, > like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. Well, I didn't plan to give my opinion on this subject publicly. But, I was alerted by the last pos

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-17 Thread Justin Farnsworth
[permission to come aboard, sql database query table] "Gerald R. Jensen" wrote: > > I wouldn't be concerned about this being discussed here on the list. After > all, we are talking about Open Source. > > Gerald Jensen - Right, Mr. Jensen. My historical bent takes me further.

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-17 Thread Gerald R. Jensen
Britt: I've read all of the posts regarding the controversy between MySQL AB and NuSphere. Not being a participant, I can't know all the details of your relationship with MySQL AB, so I can only judge this in light of my own dealings with them. Michael Widenius and David Axmark have always condu

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-17 Thread Justin Farnsworth
t needed to > establish the >further agreements that MySQL AB > > seeks. We note that public statements have been made >after the > invitation, statements that are not in the spirit of >the invitation. > > >Your willingness > > to return to resolving our issues in a

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-17 Thread Laszlo G. Szijarto
t;Your willingness > to return to resolving our issues in a business-like >fashion would be > welcome. - Original Message - From: "Britt Johnston" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 6:59 PM Su

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-17 Thread Britt Johnston
show restraint and a spirit of cooperation in its ongoing public statements. As you are aware, we are forming a not-for-profit corporation to focus on building and supporting a larger MySQL development community and promoting MySQL. The mysql.org domain is expected to be transferred to

RE: mysql.org (comments to old messages)

2001-07-17 Thread Simon Green
http://www.nusphere.org Is available to register but I don't now why you would what to ;o).? Simon -Original Message- From: Van [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 17 July 2001 10:36 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: mysql.org (comments to old mes

Re: mysql.org (comments to old messages)

2001-07-17 Thread Van
or MySAM. I'll program on the front. I love stability. What is Gemini? And, what will it do for my clients that MySQL hasn't done for the past 5 years using ISAM, or MySAM? Put that on the NuSphere.Org site (whoops; mysql.org site). I don't care. My clients want stability and spe

mysql.org (comments to old messages)

2001-07-16 Thread Michael Widenius
their own reasons, Heikki Tuuri at Innobase got interested in MySQL. His table handler, InnoDB, which has been included in the MySQL source releases since 3.23.34, is an as important contribution as Gemini. Britt> As we said last January, we planned on Gemini being released Britt> under an

RE: mysql.org

2001-07-16 Thread Michael Widenius
Open Invitation to NuSphere and Progress The people at MySQL AB would like to invite you, NuSphere Corporation and Progress Software Corporation, to talks on neutral soil for the purpose of resolving our disputes. We propose to meet on Wednesday 18 July 2001 and continue for as long as we need,

Re: MySQL.org

2001-07-16 Thread btjones
I hate to differ with you here, John... but please check the following URL and notice the price tag on it -- http://www.redhat.com/products/software/linux/7-1_standard.html RedHat is betting on, correctly so, that users in general will not spend the time and effort to download over 100 meg of d

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-15 Thread Robert John Hall
> >NuSphere's rights and motivations - we actually worked hard > >to get the details in writing before we even started the > >company and we paid real money. It is under this agreement > >that we believe we have a clear right to use mysql.org. See above. This right isn&#x

Re[2]: mysql.org

2001-07-15 Thread Mark A. Chalkley
On Saturday, July 14, 2001, 9:25:51 PM, you wrote: JN> GPL violation or not, part of my decisions are always based on JN> morals (hard to find these days). Anyone trying to capture an JN> audience using anothers name is un-ethical and un-moral. My JN> business decision will be made with this i

RE: mysql.org

2001-07-15 Thread Carsten H. Pedersen
> 1) While they do point out that they are not affliated, and > provide a link to MySQL AB, they do not state why this is > relevant, or why someone might WANT to go to MySQL AB. Hmmm.. The NuSphere people may not be saying very much on this list, but they're certainly listening in on what'

re: mysql.org

2001-07-15 Thread Thomas J Keller
Well, I have gone and looked more closely at mysql.org. I am forced to confess that I find several disheartening "features" at this site. I am unwilling at this juncture to typify these issues as deliberate or ill-intentioned, but I will say that NuSphere needs to make a

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-15 Thread Robert Alexander
QL and NuSphere, I'm sure it's just a mis-understanding, and it'll get sorted out amicably soon." Then I actually went and looked at the mysql.org site. Now I find I must strongly agree with what Andy Wooley wrote: At 15:05 +0100 2001/07/15, Andy Woolley wrote: >The impres

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-15 Thread Gerald R. Jensen
Just to clarify the U.S. trademark point raised here ... The fact that it is in the mail, in progress, or whatever is really immaterial. It is not at all unusual for the formal application for trademarks, service marks, patents, copyrights, etc. to come months or even years after the product's i

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-15 Thread Marten Mickos
wondering if there > actually is a difference between MySQL and MySQL AB simply because mysql.org > are implying such a fact. Their web site is also giving me the impression > that they are responsible for the development of MySQL.I know Nusphere have > given both time and money to the dev

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-15 Thread Andy Woolley
ng a product called MySQL, and that MySQL AB (found at mysql.com) is a different product all together. This, is in my opinion is simply not on. I have been using MySQL for many years and I am now wondering if there actually is a difference between MySQL and MySQL AB simply because mysql.org are imp

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-15 Thread Marten Mickos
erpretation is that even under the interim agreement, > > the operation > > by NuSphere of mysql.org would have been a trademark violation. > Then, Marten, tell us what the status is of the trademark > application? > Under way, finished, or "in the mail" as sugge

RE: mysql.org

2001-07-15 Thread Carsten H. Pedersen
t to MySQL. > > I think it is a fine distinction to > say the (slight?) difference between mysql.com and mysql.org > would lead to confusion. Are you confused by the extant > "mysql.net"? What about xmysql.com? There have been arguments > by both parties that these so

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-15 Thread B. van Ouwerkerk
word probably quite often.. It's not always sure.. If I look at the mysql.org website it looks to me like I found the home of MySQL. This is what most visitors which are unfamiliar with MySQL might or will think. It's a very thin line.. I know.. If nushere want to provide the mysql community

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-15 Thread Sinisa Milivojevic
BAUMEISTER Alexandre writes: > Michael, > > > It's years now that I use Mysql, post/read the mailing list, try to > help you solving bugs, testing new features (like InnoDB currently). > > Why ? Because I really like Mysql, GPL licence and the way you work ! > > What NuLsphere is doin

Re: Re: mysql.org

2001-07-14 Thread Trond Eivind Glomsrød
Reposting because of annoying filter. On 15 Jul 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Your message cannot be posted because it appears to be either spam or > simply off topic to our filter. To bypass the filter you must include > one of the following words in your message: > > database,sql,query,tabl

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-14 Thread Justin Farnsworth
Source??? > can someone from Nusphere explain it here [== snip, snip ==] Hassan: I respectfully disagree with your suggestion that such a site would spread confusion and give discredit to MySQL. I think it is a fine distinction to say the (slight?) difference between mysql.com and mysql.org would

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-14 Thread hassan el forkani
t must be really pleased with this stuff At 01:25 15/07/01, Thomas J Keller wrote: >Marten Mickos wrote: > > In response to the posting by Thomas J Keller of Britt Johnston's text, I > > feel I have to come with the following comments. > > (The quoted text marked with &

RE: mysql.org

2001-07-14 Thread Sander Pilon
> > -Original Message- > > From: Marten Mickos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > > > Our interpretation is that even under the interim agreement, > > the operation > > by NuSphere of mysql.org would have been a trademar

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-14 Thread portasio
hink that folks are discounting your efforts. In many cases, > folks knew little of what NuSphere had really done to date. > > > The Gemini table handler itself is already part of MySQL and is > > licensed under the GPL - go find ha_gemini.cc and you will see it we &

Re: mysql.org - an extra 2 cents

2001-07-14 Thread Joel Nelson
's > > PHPEd package (US$300 each) for our developers when I became aware of the > > controversy surrounding 'Enhanced MySQL' and mysql.org. > > > > The purchase order went into the round file, and Hell will freeze over > > before I buy anything from NuSpher

RE: mysql.org

2001-07-14 Thread Dipl.-Inf. Guus Leeuw jr.
> -Original Message- > From: Marten Mickos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Our interpretation is that even under the interim agreement, > the operation > by NuSphere of mysql.org would have been a trademark violation. Then, Marten, tell us what the status is o

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-14 Thread Marten Mickos
ked with "> >" is by Britt Johnston) > > >mysql.org has not been publically announced and it will take > > >some time for it to become the thriving community it is destined > > >to be. My hope is that rather than fighting it, you can join it >

re: mysql.org

2001-07-14 Thread Thomas J Keller
The more I think about this, the more convinced I am that someone needs to offer the following observations: It is unfortunate that so many people within this community are so eager to assume the worst about a company, simply because they ARE a company. Not all corporations are Mickey$lu$h (I

RE: mysql.org

2001-07-14 Thread Sander Pilon
e fees that NuSphere is going to have to pay to lawyers to defend themselves would basically a waste of money. Is the .ORG domain worth that much to NuSphere? 4) It pisses off MySQL AB. Clearly it's in their best interest to be friends with MySQL AB. 5) Although MySQLs pressrelease (on MySQL.

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-14 Thread Thomas J Keller
Marten Mickos wrote: > In response to the posting by Thomas J Keller of Britt Johnston's text, I > feel I have to come with the following comments. > (The quoted text marked with "> >" is by Britt Johnston) > >mysql.org has not been publically announced and

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-14 Thread Marten Mickos
In response to the posting by Thomas J Keller of Britt Johnston's text, I feel I have to come with the following comments. (The quoted text marked with ">" is by Britt Johnston) >mysql.org has not been publically announced and it will take >some time for it to becom

re: mysql.org

2001-07-14 Thread Thomas J Keller
Alright. I have received Mr. Johnson's permission to share the email response he made to me. it is included herewith for informational purposes without comment or prejudice: cut here ---- mysql.org has not been publically announced and it will take some time for it to becom

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-14 Thread Van
Britt Johnston wrote: > > As far as mysql.org goes, what NuSphere would like to see is a > non-profit organization running that site - we have been consistent > in this desire for over a year, but it has been opposed by Monty > and David. I discussed this with Monty as recently

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-14 Thread Michael Collins
Sorry for the last post with no response. In my anger, I hit reply by accident. I usually resist the urge to flame publicly. When I first posted about this topic I thought that the domain name issue was the only transgression, I did not realize how deep it went. Now I feel truly disgusted by the

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-14 Thread Justin Farnsworth
that the existence of ex-officio support sites for MySQL are encouraged, not confusing, and good for all, but that the mysql.org site is, technically, only a trademark issue, in their eyes. One has seen a convergence to the real nub, visible to all of us interested observers, that the remedy for

RE: mysql.org

2001-07-14 Thread Michael Collins
to understand >NuSphere's rights and motivations - we actually worked hard >to get the details in writing before we even started the >company and we paid real money. It is under this agreement >that we believe we have a clear right to use mysql.org. > >Now it appears there is a

RE: mysql.org

2001-07-14 Thread David Axmark
> Please consider these facts when you try to understand Britt> NuSphere's rights and motivations - we actually worked hard to Britt> get the details in writing before we even started the company Britt> and we paid real money. It is under this agreement that we Britt> believe we h

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-14 Thread BAUMEISTER Alexandre
Michael, MW> What NuSphere seems to be trying to do is to get people to approve MW> of their fork, get more people to work on it, and cause confusion MW> among MySQL users as to where the origin of the MySQL(tm) source MW> and documentation is. What NuSphere has done indicates that they MW>

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-14 Thread Marten Mickos
Justin, I very much agree with your compliment to Jeremy for his posting. Some notes on your posting follow. At 14/07/01 14:03 +0200, Justin wrote: >Personally, I could care less about the mysql.org >domain issue. I, more or less, see it just as another >kind of ex-officio site s

Re: Manual for sale? (was Re[2]: mysql.org)

2001-07-14 Thread Sinisa Milivojevic
Colin Faber writes: > Michael, Interesting idea but I think it would problematic over all, > The mysql manual changes almost everyday (anyone that syncs the bk > tree's knows) I would suggest a better solution would be to provide the > manual as a localized application (possibly even ported to

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-14 Thread Justin Farnsworth
ose common socialogical phenomena, the perception that sombody or a Company is somehow exploiting Open Source with its train of reactions: - NuSphere is a dirty bunch of guys - Monty is being screwed - et cetera ad infinitum Personally, I could care less about the mysql.org domain issue. I, more

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-14 Thread Jeremy Zawodny
f is already part of MySQL and is > licensed under the GPL - go find ha_gemini.cc and you will see it we > checked it in long ago in V4 and again in 3.23 when V4 was late. > The Gemini component itself will be released via mysql.org as GPL as > previously announced - note that Gemini itsel

RE: mysql.org

2001-07-13 Thread Britt Johnston
re we even started the company and we paid real money. It is under this agreement that we believe we have a clear right to use mysql.org. Now it appears there is a need by MySQL AB to characterize that agreement as no longer in effect - I hope you can respect the fact that NuSphere believes it i

Re: Manual for sale? (was Re[2]: mysql.org)

2001-07-13 Thread Tonu Samuel
Colin Faber wrote: > Michael, Interesting idea but I think it would problematic over all, > The mysql manual changes almost everyday (anyone that syncs the bk > tree's knows) I would suggest a better solution would be to provide the > manual as a localized application (possibly even ported to

Re: Manual for sale? (was Re[2]: mysql.org)

2001-07-13 Thread Michael Collins
At 9:15 PM -0600 7/13/01, Colin Faber wrote: >Michael, Interesting idea but I think it would problematic over all, >The mysql manual changes almost everyday (anyone that syncs the bk >tree's knows) I would suggest a better solution would be to provide the > manual as a localized application (poss

Re: Manual for sale? (was Re[2]: mysql.org)

2001-07-13 Thread Colin Faber
Michael, Interesting idea but I think it would problematic over all, The mysql manual changes almost everyday (anyone that syncs the bk tree's knows) I would suggest a better solution would be to provide the manual as a localized application (possibly even ported to PalmOS/WindowsCE), Anyone?

Manual for sale? (was Re[2]: mysql.org)

2001-07-13 Thread Michael Collins
At 8:09 PM -0400 7/13/01, Mark A. Chalkley wrote: >I, for one, was >considering purchase of their distribution just to get the printed >manuals, but wouldn't have one from them now if they were giving them >away. BTW, why doesn't MySQL AB print the manual and sell it? I would gladly pay US $ 30-

Re[2]: mysql.org

2001-07-13 Thread Mark A. Chalkley
On Friday, July 13, 2001, 8:02:16 PM, you wrote: MW> MySQL is GPL, so it's ok to sell derivate works. The problem is MW> however that NuSphere has been selling derivate work but not complied MW> to the GPL license, which is NOT ok. MW> By using mysql.org they are also violat

Re: Re: mysql.org

2001-07-13 Thread Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO
database,sql,query,table > > Now most of us in/using Open Source probably do not _really_ > understand the meaning and ramifications of the GPL. We _think_ > we know, and we certainly have a "feeling" about what the GPL > "means". Oh Bull Making a derived work from a GPL produc

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-13 Thread Steve Werby
"Michael Widenius" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > By using mysql.org they are also violating our trademark; If we are > not defending our trademark we may loose it. I'm sure you and your attorneys have considered this, but for the benefit of others on the list I'll

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-13 Thread A. Clausen
-- Original Message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 12:36:08 -0700 > >I am far from a legal expert on this... but is it all that bad that >NuSphere wishes to sell a derivative work of MySQL? Other than it competes >with MySQL AB's busines

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-13 Thread Trond Eivind Glomsrød
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I am far from a legal expert on this... but is it all that bad that > NuSphere wishes to sell a derivative work of MySQL? Other than it competes > with MySQL AB's business of selling their own commercial deployments of the > package? And by that I can somewhat see wh

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-13 Thread Michael Widenius
elling derivate work but not complied to the GPL license, which is NOT ok. By using mysql.org they are also violating our trademark; If we are not defending our trademark we may loose it. If they would have released the server and all source code as NuSphere SQL on 'www.nusphere.com', we a

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-13 Thread btjones
I am far from a legal expert on this... but is it all that bad that NuSphere wishes to sell a derivative work of MySQL? Other than it competes with MySQL AB's business of selling their own commercial deployments of the package? And by that I can somewhat see why NuSphere is using the phrase "un

RE: MySQL.org

2001-07-13 Thread Sander Pilon
> Hi! > > > > Sander> I do not deny their claim on the trademark OR domain, > but I am > Sander> somewhat unpleasantly surprised by the means they try > to resolve > Sander> this matter, and the fact that nobody in a what I > assume is an > Sander> internet-aware company like MySQL even

RE: mysql.org

2001-07-13 Thread Paul DuBois
Well. It should be an interesting Open Source convention in San Diego later this month... database,sql,query,table -- Paul DuBois, [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (

Re: MySQL.org

2001-07-13 Thread Michael Widenius
; large american corporations like MS. I never expected MySQL AB to >> come out so hostile and brutal as they did. Jeremy> Who told you that they ignored that "rule"? mysql.org was acquired a long time ago by some friendly MySQL users that pointed it to mysql.com; Due to circumstance

RE: MySQL.org

2001-07-13 Thread Michael Widenius
ing the .org and .net before others did. See my previous letter; We did everything in our power to resolve this in a friendly manner but didn't succeed in this. We didn't own mysql.net and mysql.org ourselves, but both of these where owned by friends of ours. You have also to remember

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-13 Thread Michael Widenius
Hi! > "Tim" == Tim Endres <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> If anyone has any comments about how we at MySQL AB work as an open >> source company, please write to our CEO Marten Mickos via >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] and we will welcome your suggestions. We are >> totally dependent on the trust of ou

Re: MySQL.org

2001-07-13 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, > >The article mentions that the Web site will confuse new users, but I >think this one will confuse them even more: >http://mysql.net/ >(for non-Japanese users that is). Korean, actually. -- Matthias Urlichs (being exceedingly helpful today) --

RE: mysql.org

2001-07-13 Thread Gerald Jensen
Farnsworth Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 7:49 AM To: Gerald R. Jensen Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: mysql.org "Gerald R. Jensen" wrote: > > Monty: > > I was on the verge of authorizing the purchase of 3 copies of NuSphere's

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-13 Thread Justin Farnsworth
"Gerald R. Jensen" wrote: > > Monty: > > I was on the verge of authorizing the purchase of 3 copies of NuSphere's > PHPEd package (US$300 each) for our developers when I became aware of the > controversy surrounding 'Enhanced MySQL' and mysql.org.

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-13 Thread Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO
nomebiology.com/ > > > -Original Message- > From: Gerry Sweeney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 7:15 AM > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; > [EMAIL PROTECTED] &

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