Re: [osol-discuss] Middle management at Sun destroys OpenDS is OpenSolaris next?

2007-11-30 Thread Jim Grisanzio
Chris Mahan wrote: I look forward to the discussion this is going to generate, namely: can Sun do the same to OpenSolaris, and if not, why not, what's preventing them. I'm looking for sound legal reasons, not Sun's goodwill. I know nothing about OpenDS, and I bet very few here are involved

Re: [osol-discuss] dmake on different sparc machines and OS builds

2007-11-30 Thread Attila Nagy
ummm... distcc? http://distcc.samba.org/ It's mainly for gcc, but distcc is not itself a compiler, but rather a front-end to the GNU C/C++ compiler (gcc). (There is preliminary support for some other compilers but the main focus is gcc.) Almost all gcc options and features work as normal. I'd

Re: [osol-discuss] Middle management at Sun destroys OpenDS is OpenSolaris next?

2007-11-30 Thread Casper . Dik
Are you talking about the changeset from 8 hours ago titled Restoring Sun approved governance : https://opends.dev.java.net/source/browse/opends/trunk/www/public/docs/dev-docs/OpenDS-Governance. html?rev=3475r1=3475r2=3474 ? I'm not sure where you get 8 hours ago? I count nearly 9 days.

Re: [osol-discuss] Middle management at Sun destroys OpenDS is OpenSolaris next?

2007-11-30 Thread Jim Grisanzio
Shawn Walker wrote: On Nov 30, 2007 3:02 AM, Jim Grisanzio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris Mahan wrote: I look forward to the discussion this is going to generate, namely: can Sun do the same to OpenSolaris, and if not, why not, what's preventing them. I'm looking for sound legal reasons, not

Re: [osol-discuss] Create a bootable installation image

2007-11-30 Thread Virginia Wray
Here is an example of the format I follow to create iso images. # mkdir dir1 # ls -al total 6 drwx-- 3 root root 512 Nov 30 09:30 . drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 512 Nov 5 14:34 .. drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 512 Nov 30 09:30 dir1 # mkisofs -l -o dir1.iso dir1

Re: [osol-discuss] Is it possible to install Solaris 10 and Solaris 11 on the same x86 m

2007-11-30 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
The following is a portion of my /boot/grub/menu.lst file that does the S10/S11/SuSE multiple boot. Very rudimentary, but adequate for my need anyway. title Solaris Express Community Edition snv_76 X86 kernel$ /platform/i86pc/kernel/$ISADIR/unix module$ /platform/i86pc/$ISADIR/boot_archive

Re: [osol-discuss] frequency scalling in opensolaris

2007-11-30 Thread Mark Haywood
Dr. David Kirkby wrote: Currently, there is no way to force a processor to a lower frequency. A feature we'll be adding to Solaris soon. As for what determining what frequencies your processors are running at, you can find that out from the cpu_info kstat. $ kstat -m cpu_info -s

Re: [osol-discuss] frequency scalling in opensolaris

2007-11-30 Thread Mark Haywood
Mark Haywood wrote: Dr. David Kirkby wrote: Also useful would be a message when the speed is reduced. I get messages like: cpudrv: [ID 495817 kern.info] NOTICE: cpudrv_pm_set_topspeed: instance 1: has new max power of 200

Re: [osol-discuss] Is it possible to install Solaris 10 and Solaris 11 on the same x86 m

2007-11-30 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
In some of our machines we have S10, SXDE, two versions of SXCE, two versions of SuSE, and WinXP, sitting peacefully in a multi-stage multi-boot configuration. We are thinking about putting everything under a single umbrella, i.e., a future version of SXCE, via xVM. Anyone cares to comment?

Re: [osol-discuss] frequency scalling in opensolaris

2007-11-30 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
Currently, there is no way to force a processor to a lower frequency. A feature we'll be adding to Solaris soon. As for what determining what frequencies your processors are running at, you can find that out from the cpu_info kstat. $ kstat -m cpu_info -s current_clock_Hz Thank you

Re: [osol-discuss] frequency scalling in opensolaris

2007-11-30 Thread Mark Haywood
Dr. David Kirkby wrote: Also useful would be a message when the speed is reduced. I get messages like: cpudrv: [ID 495817 kern.info] NOTICE: cpudrv_pm_set_topspeed: instance 1: has new max power of 200 0 MHz but dont see any if the speed is reduce - I've

Re: [osol-discuss] Middle management at Sun destroys OpenDS is OpenSolaris next?

2007-11-30 Thread Shawn Walker
On Nov 30, 2007 9:31 AM, Jim Grisanzio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shawn Walker wrote: Don't you realise that stuff like this only continues to cement the view that the left hand doesn't know what the right hand at Sun is doing? The left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing. Ok.

Re: [osol-discuss] Middle management at Sun destroys OpenDS is OpenSolaris next?

2007-11-30 Thread Che Kristo
Simon Phipps wrote: On Nov 30, 2007, at 09:44, Ché Kristo wrote: Are you talking about the changeset from 8 hours ago titled Restoring Sun approved governance : https://opends.dev.java.net/source/browse/opends/trunk/www/public/docs/dev-docs/OpenDS-Governance.html?rev=3475r1=3475r2=3474

Re: [osol-discuss] Middle management at Sun destroys OpenDS is OpenSolaris next?

2007-11-30 Thread Simon Phipps
On Nov 30, 2007, at 15:28, Shawn Walker wrote: On Nov 30, 2007 9:25 AM, Simon Phipps [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 30, 2007, at 15:18, Shawn Walker wrote: I often hear the excuse that we're still learning -- but some things are plain ole' common sense. Sadly common sense isn't that

Re: [osol-discuss] Middle management at Sun destroys OpenDS is OpenSolaris next?

2007-11-30 Thread Shawn Walker
On Nov 30, 2007 9:25 AM, Simon Phipps [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 30, 2007, at 15:18, Shawn Walker wrote: I often hear the excuse that we're still learning -- but some things are plain ole' common sense. Sadly common sense isn't that common, nor is there universal agreement what it

Re: [osol-discuss] Middle management at Sun destroys OpenDS is OpenSolaris next?

2007-11-30 Thread Simon Phipps
On Nov 30, 2007, at 15:18, Shawn Walker wrote: I often hear the excuse that we're still learning -- but some things are plain ole' common sense. Sadly common sense isn't that common, nor is there universal agreement what it means. S. ___

Re: [osol-discuss] Middle management at Sun destroys OpenDS is OpenSolaris next?

2007-11-30 Thread Simon Phipps
On Nov 30, 2007, at 15:04, Shawn Walker wrote: Please understand that I, as an outsider, had no way to independently verify the situation since a good portion of it was related to internal Sun communications. Totally understand. In retrospect, I should have titled my original posting

Re: [osol-discuss] Middle management at Sun destroys OpenDS is OpenSolaris next?

2007-11-30 Thread Shawn Walker
On Nov 30, 2007 6:11 AM, Simon Phipps [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 30, 2007, at 11:20, UNIX admin wrote: Hi Jim, I don't know about Shawn, but I'll write for myself: I expect Sun employees to forward the blog URI directly to Jonathan Schwartz. I also expect Sun employees to

Re: [osol-discuss] Middle management at Sun destroys OpenDS is OpenSolaris next?

2007-11-30 Thread Simon Phipps
On Nov 30, 2007, at 14:41, Shawn Walker wrote: It's hard not to focus on Sun when their management team's inability to clearly communicate both inside and outside of their company continues to make the communities they participate in look like nothing more than a pr move and leads to

Re: [osol-discuss] Middle management at Sun destroys OpenDS is OpenSolaris next?

2007-11-30 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Chris Mahan wrote: I look forward to the discussion this is going to generate, namely: can Sun do the same to OpenSolaris, and if not, why not, what's preventing them. I'm looking for sound legal reasons, not Sun's goodwill. Sun management approved the current OpenSolaris charter

Re: [osol-discuss] Middle management at Sun destroys OpenDS is OpenSolaris next?

2007-11-30 Thread Shawn Walker
On Nov 30, 2007 3:02 AM, Jim Grisanzio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris Mahan wrote: I look forward to the discussion this is going to generate, namely: can Sun do the same to OpenSolaris, and if not, why not, what's preventing them. I'm looking for sound legal reasons, not Sun's goodwill.

Re: [osol-discuss] Middle management at Sun destroys OpenDS is OpenSolaris next?

2007-11-30 Thread Shawn Walker
On Nov 30, 2007 3:29 AM, Jim Grisanzio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shawn Walker wrote: http://directorymanager.wordpress.com/2007/11/28/an-open-letter-to-the-opends-community-and-to-sun-microsystems/ You know, I'm wondering why you chose to write that subject line, Shawn. There are no middle

Re: [osol-discuss] Middle management at Sun destroys OpenDS is OpenSolaris next?

2007-11-30 Thread Jim Grisanzio
Shawn Walker wrote: Don't you realise that stuff like this only continues to cement the view that the left hand doesn't know what the right hand at Sun is doing? The left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing. Ok. Guilty. Why is that surprising? It's a large organization and many

Re: [osol-discuss] Middle management at Sun destroys OpenDS

2007-11-30 Thread Shawn Walker
On Nov 30, 2007 6:02 AM, MC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why can't we stick to OpenSolaris community and development issues rather than getting sucked into corporate politics? I don't know what is true and untrue in this thread, but I think what these guys are getting at is that if someone at

Re: [osol-discuss] Middle management at Sun destroys OpenDS is OpenSolaris next?

2007-11-30 Thread Shawn Walker
On Nov 30, 2007 9:02 AM, Simon Phipps [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 30, 2007, at 14:41, Shawn Walker wrote: It's hard not to focus on Sun when their management team's inability to clearly communicate both inside and outside of their company continues to make the communities they

Re: [osol-discuss] Is it possible to install Solaris 10 and Solaris 11 on the same x86 machine

2007-11-30 Thread Erwann Chenede
Hi Tom, Tom Chen wrote: Hello, I am wondering if I can install both Solaris 10 and OpenSolaris (11) on the same x86 machine? I hope I can use a boot loader to select which OS to boot. Yes, I've got 3 different flavors of Solaris (10, TX, OpenSolaris) + a XP installed on my x86 laptop.

Re: [osol-discuss] Middle management at Sun destroys OpenDS is OpenSolaris next?

2007-11-30 Thread Dale Ghent
On Nov 30, 2007, at 4:02 AM, Jim Grisanzio wrote: I know nothing about OpenDS, and I bet very few here are involved either. This is an OpenSolaris forum. Sun has already demonstrated its good will by opening /this/ project and enabling /these/ engineers to interact with /this/ community.

Re: [osol-discuss] Middle management at Sun destroys OpenDS is OpenSolaris next?

2007-11-30 Thread Dale Ghent
On Nov 30, 2007, at 2:48 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The OpenSolaris governance model needed to be approved by Sun before it was put up for a community vote; that was all conducted in the Open. What that means is also that we cannot change the governance model without renewed approval.

[osol-discuss] Create a bootable installation image

2007-11-30 Thread Roman Morokutti
Hi, does someone know how to create a bootable install image (aka .iso file)? I have managed to tweak an image for zfs boot. But the whole content resides in a directory now and I don´t have a clou how to get a bootable install image from it. The steps I did were: 1. I took the downloaded

Re: [osol-discuss] Middle management at Sun destroys OpenDS is OpenSolaris next?

2007-11-30 Thread Dale Ghent
On Nov 30, 2007, at 2:41 AM, Ian Collins wrote: Notice I said four of the points, I can certainly see the relevance in the fifth, which could easily get lost in the noise generated by the others. This isn't a Sun HR list. Oh, come on. Stop being such a pedant. /dale

Re: [osol-discuss] Middle management at Sun destroys OpenDS is OpenSolaris next?

2007-11-30 Thread Simon Phipps
On Nov 30, 2007, at 11:20, UNIX admin wrote: Hi Jim, I don't know about Shawn, but I'll write for myself: I expect Sun employees to forward the blog URI directly to Jonathan Schwartz. I also expect Sun employees to back up their now former colleague and show that they have spine, and

Re: [osol-discuss] Middle management at Sun destroys OpenDS

2007-11-30 Thread MC
Why can't we stick to OpenSolaris community and development issues rather than getting sucked into corporate politics? I don't know what is true and untrue in this thread, but I think what these guys are getting at is that if someone at Sun Microsystems can do this to OpenDS: Sun’s intention

Re: [osol-discuss] Middle management at Sun destroys OpenDS is OpenSolaris next?

2007-11-30 Thread Ché Kristo
How do you expect us Sun employees to react to mail like this? Hi Jim, I don't know about Shawn, but I'll write for myself: I expect Sun employees to forward the blog URI directly to Jonathan Schwartz. I also expect Sun employees to back up their now former colleague

Re: [osol-discuss] Middle management at Sun destroys OpenDS is OpenSolaris next?

2007-11-30 Thread Ché Kristo
Are you talking about the changeset from 8 hours ago titled Restoring Sun approved governance : https://opends.dev.java.net/source/browse/opends/trun /www/public/docs/dev-docs/OpenDS-Governance. html?rev=3475r1=3475r2=3474 ? I'm not sure where you get 8 hours ago? I count nearly

Re: [osol-discuss] Middle management at Sun destroys OpenDS is OpenSolaris next?

2007-11-30 Thread Casper . Dik
I expect Sun employees to forward the blog URI directly to Jonathan Schwartz. I also expect Sun employees to back up their now former colleague and show that they have spine, and complain to Jonathan about this incident. If the incident is indeed as it transpired but it seems that the story is

Re: [osol-discuss] Middle management at Sun destroys OpenDS is OpenSolaris next?

2007-11-30 Thread UNIX admin
How do you expect us Sun employees to react to mail like this? Hi Jim, I don't know about Shawn, but I'll write for myself: I expect Sun employees to forward the blog URI directly to Jonathan Schwartz. I also expect Sun employees to back up their now former colleague and show that they have

Re: [osol-discuss] Middle management at Sun destroys OpenDS is OpenSolaris next?

2007-11-30 Thread Simon Phipps
On Nov 30, 2007, at 09:44, Ché Kristo wrote: Are you talking about the changeset from 8 hours ago titled Restoring Sun approved governance : https://opends.dev.java.net/ source/browse/opends/trunk/www/public/docs/dev-docs/OpenDS- Governance.html?rev=3475r1=3475r2=3474 ? That is the

Re: [osol-discuss] Middle management at Sun destroys OpenDS is OpenSolaris next?

2007-11-30 Thread melanie gao
Hi guys, I'm a middle manager at Sun. I figured you wouldn't know I'm out here if I didn't speak up, so here I go. I manage the globalization team in Beijing and lots of people in my team contribute to OpenSolaris. I read every single posting on this forum. - melanie Ché Kristo wrote:

Re: [osol-discuss] Middle management at Sun destroys OpenDS is OpenSolaris next?

2007-11-30 Thread Simon Phipps
On Nov 30, 2007, at 05:01, Shawn Walker wrote: http://directorymanager.wordpress.com/2007/11/28/an-open-letter-to- the-opends-community-and-to-sun-microsystems/ I've been investigating. Take a look at http://tinyurl.com/ys5hf3 - this was the change Neil et al made to the governance. All

Re: [osol-discuss] Middle management at Sun destroys OpenDS is OpenSolaris next?

2007-11-30 Thread Ian Collins
Che Kristo wrote: Ian Collins wrote: What do 4 out of the above 5 questions have to do with OpenSolaris? OK, let look at it: Point 1 - if this sort of behavior is condoned who is to say that the same thing could not happen with OpenSolaris That would probably require Sun laying off most

Re: [osol-discuss] Middle management at Sun destroys OpenDS is OpenSolaris next?

2007-11-30 Thread Ché Kristo
Shawn Walker wrote: http://directorymanager.wordpress.com/2007/11/28/an-op en-letter-to-the-opends-community-and-to-sun-microsyst ems/ You know, I'm wondering why you chose to write that subject line, Shawn. There are no middle managers here on these lists. There are only project

Re: [osol-discuss] Middle management at Sun destroys OpenDS is OpenSolaris next?

2007-11-30 Thread Ché Kristo
Shawn, Thank you for bringing that to our attention. On Nov 29, 2007 9:01 PM, Shawn Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://directorymanager.wordpress.com/2007/11/28/an-op en-letter-to-the-opends-community-and-to-s un-microsystems/ Shawn, Thank you for bringing that to

Re: [osol-discuss] Middle management at Sun destroys OpenDS is OpenSolaris next?

2007-11-30 Thread Jim Grisanzio
Shawn Walker wrote: http://directorymanager.wordpress.com/2007/11/28/an-open-letter-to-the-opends-community-and-to-sun-microsystems/ You know, I'm wondering why you chose to write that subject line, Shawn. There are no middle managers here on these lists. There are only project managers who

Re: [osol-discuss] dmake on different sparc machines and OS builds

2007-11-30 Thread Mladen Nikitovic
Thats my current approach. By using a kernel module there are even less occasions where the whole kernel need to be compiled. But still, it hurts to wait on those occasions :) Thanks for all your help. /M This message posted from opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] frequency scalling in opensolaris

2007-11-30 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
Also useful would be a message when the speed is reduced. I get messages like: cpudrv: [ID 495817 kern.info] NOTICE: cpudrv_pm_set_topspeed: instance 1: has new max power of 200 0 MHz but dont see any if the speed is reduce - I've no idea if it does reduce. If you get many of

Re: [osol-discuss] Middle management at Sun destroys OpenDS is OpenSolaris next?

2007-11-30 Thread Shawn Walker
On Nov 30, 2007 9:04 AM, Jim Grisanzio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shawn Walker wrote: On Nov 30, 2007 3:02 AM, Jim Grisanzio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris Mahan wrote: I look forward to the discussion this is going to generate, namely: can Sun do the same to OpenSolaris, and if not,

Re: [osol-discuss] Middle management at Sun destroys OpenDS is OpenSolaris next?

2007-11-30 Thread Simon Phipps
On Nov 30, 2007, at 13:29, UNIX admin wrote: I've been investigating. Take a look at http://tinyurl.com/ys5hf3 - this was the change Neil et al made to the governance. Dear Mr. Phipps, I can see the nicely colored changes, but without knowing who made which change, even the pretty

Re: [osol-discuss] Middle management at Sun destroys OpenDS is OpenSolaris next?

2007-11-30 Thread UNIX admin
I've been investigating. Take a look at http://tinyurl.com/ys5hf3 - this was the change Neil et al made to the governance. Dear Mr. Phipps, I can see the nicely colored changes, but without knowing who made which change, even the pretty colors are pretty meaningless to me. Anyways, that's

Re: [osol-discuss] Middle management at Sun destroys OpenDS is OpenSolaris next?

2007-11-30 Thread Ché Kristo
Hi guys, I'm a middle manager at Sun. I figured you wouldn't know I'm out here if I didn't speak up, so here I go. I manage the globalization team in Beijing and lots of people in my team contribute to OpenSolaris. I read every single posting on this forum. - melanie Thanks

Re: [osol-discuss] Middle management at Sun destroys OpenDS is OpenSolaris next?

2007-11-30 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
How do you expect us Sun employees to react to mail like this? Hi Jim, I don't know about Shawn, but I'll write for myself: I expect Sun employees to forward the blog URI directly to Jonathan Schwartz. I also expect Sun employees to back up their now former colleague and show that

Re: [osol-discuss] Middle management at Sun destroys OpenDS is OpenSolaris next?

2007-11-30 Thread Rob McMahon
Dale Ghent wrote: As such, one would expect for these projects to be treated somewhat consistently by Sun. If the allegations are true in the OpenDS kerfuffle, you can make a spot on bet that I (at least) would want to know if an analog of that could happen to OpenSolaris. I don't

Re: [osol-discuss] Middle management at Sun destroys OpenDS is OpenSolaris next?

2007-11-30 Thread Shawn Walker
On Nov 30, 2007 9:18 AM, Shawn Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If Sun is so inexperienced in this area, perhaps they should have considered hiring someone who is as a community manager, and ensuring that he drives their decisions instead of stumbling around? I would like to clarify that this