On Dec 1, 2007 9:23 PM, Ben McGinnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
1) The cited project hasn't been closed down, just restructured (along
with other large chunks of Sun recently).
2) OpenSolaris' licensing has resulted in all released code
effectively being in the wild - those horses have
Shawn Walker wrote:
Don't you realise that stuff like this only continues
to cement the view that the left hand doesn't know
what the right hand at Sun is doing?
From an empirical point of view... maybe.
Top talent from the OpenDS project will move on to new
and brighter ventures. The article
Chris Mahan([EMAIL PROTECTED])@Thu, Nov 29, 2007 at 09:49:31PM -0800:
I look forward to the discussion this is going to generate, namely:
can Sun do the same to OpenSolaris, and if not, why not, what's
preventing them. I'm looking for sound legal reasons, not Sun's
goodwill.
1) The cited
Chris Mahan wrote:
I look forward to the discussion this is going to generate, namely: can Sun
do the same to OpenSolaris, and if not, why not, what's preventing them. I'm
looking for sound legal reasons, not Sun's goodwill.
I know nothing about OpenDS, and I bet very few here are involved
Are you talking about the changeset from 8 hours ago titled Restoring Sun
approved governance :
https://opends.dev.java.net/source/browse/opends/trunk/www/public/docs/dev-docs/OpenDS-Governance.
html?rev=3475r1=3475r2=3474 ?
I'm not sure where you get 8 hours ago? I count nearly 9 days.
Shawn Walker wrote:
On Nov 30, 2007 3:02 AM, Jim Grisanzio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Chris Mahan wrote:
I look forward to the discussion this is going to generate, namely: can Sun
do the same to OpenSolaris, and if not, why not, what's preventing them. I'm
looking for sound legal reasons, not
On Nov 30, 2007 9:31 AM, Jim Grisanzio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Shawn Walker wrote:
Don't you realise that stuff like this only continues to cement the
view that the left hand doesn't know what the right hand at Sun is
doing?
The left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing. Ok.
Simon Phipps wrote:
On Nov 30, 2007, at 09:44, Ché Kristo wrote:
Are you talking about the changeset from 8 hours ago titled
Restoring Sun approved governance :
https://opends.dev.java.net/source/browse/opends/trunk/www/public/docs/dev-docs/OpenDS-Governance.html?rev=3475r1=3475r2=3474
On Nov 30, 2007, at 15:28, Shawn Walker wrote:
On Nov 30, 2007 9:25 AM, Simon Phipps [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Nov 30, 2007, at 15:18, Shawn Walker wrote:
I often hear the excuse that we're still learning -- but some
things
are plain ole' common sense.
Sadly common sense isn't that
On Nov 30, 2007 9:25 AM, Simon Phipps [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Nov 30, 2007, at 15:18, Shawn Walker wrote:
I often hear the excuse that we're still learning -- but some things
are plain ole' common sense.
Sadly common sense isn't that common, nor is there universal
agreement what it
On Nov 30, 2007, at 15:18, Shawn Walker wrote:
I often hear the excuse that we're still learning -- but some things
are plain ole' common sense.
Sadly common sense isn't that common, nor is there universal
agreement what it means.
S.
___
On Nov 30, 2007, at 15:04, Shawn Walker wrote:
Please understand that I, as an outsider, had no way to independently
verify the situation since a good portion of it was related to
internal Sun communications.
Totally understand.
In retrospect, I should have titled my original posting
On Nov 30, 2007 6:11 AM, Simon Phipps [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Nov 30, 2007, at 11:20, UNIX admin wrote:
Hi Jim,
I don't know about Shawn, but I'll write for myself:
I expect Sun employees to forward the blog URI directly to Jonathan
Schwartz.
I also expect Sun employees to
On Nov 30, 2007, at 14:41, Shawn Walker wrote:
It's hard not to focus on Sun when their management team's inability
to clearly communicate both inside and outside of their company
continues to make the communities they participate in look like
nothing more than a pr move and leads to
Chris Mahan wrote:
I look forward to the discussion this is going to generate, namely: can
Sun do the same to OpenSolaris, and if not, why not, what's preventing
them. I'm looking for sound legal reasons, not Sun's goodwill.
Sun management approved the current OpenSolaris charter
On Nov 30, 2007 3:02 AM, Jim Grisanzio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Chris Mahan wrote:
I look forward to the discussion this is going to generate, namely: can Sun
do the same to OpenSolaris, and if not, why not, what's preventing them. I'm
looking for sound legal reasons, not Sun's goodwill.
On Nov 30, 2007 3:29 AM, Jim Grisanzio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Shawn Walker wrote:
http://directorymanager.wordpress.com/2007/11/28/an-open-letter-to-the-opends-community-and-to-sun-microsystems/
You know, I'm wondering why you chose to write that subject line, Shawn.
There are no middle
Shawn Walker wrote:
Don't you realise that stuff like this only continues to cement the
view that the left hand doesn't know what the right hand at Sun is
doing?
The left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing. Ok. Guilty. Why
is that surprising? It's a large organization and many
On Nov 30, 2007 9:02 AM, Simon Phipps [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Nov 30, 2007, at 14:41, Shawn Walker wrote:
It's hard not to focus on Sun when their management team's inability
to clearly communicate both inside and outside of their company
continues to make the communities they
On Nov 30, 2007, at 4:02 AM, Jim Grisanzio wrote:
I know nothing about OpenDS, and I bet very few here are involved
either. This is an OpenSolaris forum. Sun has already demonstrated its
good will by opening /this/ project and enabling /these/ engineers
to
interact with /this/ community.
On Nov 30, 2007, at 2:48 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The OpenSolaris governance model needed to be approved by Sun before
it was put up for a community vote; that was all conducted in the
Open. What that means is also that we cannot change the governance
model without renewed approval.
On Nov 30, 2007, at 2:41 AM, Ian Collins wrote:
Notice I said four of the points, I can certainly see the relevance in
the fifth, which could easily get lost in the noise generated by the
others. This isn't a Sun HR list.
Oh, come on. Stop being such a pedant.
/dale
On Nov 30, 2007, at 11:20, UNIX admin wrote:
Hi Jim,
I don't know about Shawn, but I'll write for myself:
I expect Sun employees to forward the blog URI directly to Jonathan
Schwartz.
I also expect Sun employees to back up their now former colleague
and show that they have spine, and
How do you expect us Sun employees to react
to mail like this?
Hi Jim,
I don't know about Shawn, but I'll write for
myself:
I expect Sun employees to forward the blog URI
directly to Jonathan Schwartz.
I also expect Sun employees to back up their now
former colleague
Are you talking about the changeset from 8 hours ago
titled Restoring Sun approved governance :
https://opends.dev.java.net/source/browse/opends/trun
/www/public/docs/dev-docs/OpenDS-Governance.
html?rev=3475r1=3475r2=3474 ?
I'm not sure where you get 8 hours ago? I count
nearly
I expect Sun employees to forward the blog URI directly to Jonathan Schwartz.
I also expect Sun employees to back up their now former colleague and show
that they have spine, and complain to Jonathan about this incident.
If the incident is indeed as it transpired but it seems that the story
is
How do you expect us Sun employees to react
to mail like this?
Hi Jim,
I don't know about Shawn, but I'll write for myself:
I expect Sun employees to forward the blog URI directly to Jonathan Schwartz.
I also expect Sun employees to back up their now former colleague and show that
they have
On Nov 30, 2007, at 09:44, Ché Kristo wrote:
Are you talking about the changeset from 8 hours ago titled
Restoring Sun approved governance : https://opends.dev.java.net/
source/browse/opends/trunk/www/public/docs/dev-docs/OpenDS-
Governance.html?rev=3475r1=3475r2=3474 ?
That is the
Hi guys, I'm a middle manager at Sun. I figured you wouldn't know I'm
out here if I didn't speak up, so here I go. I manage the globalization
team in Beijing and lots of people in my team contribute to
OpenSolaris. I read every single posting on this forum.
- melanie
Ché Kristo wrote:
On Nov 30, 2007, at 05:01, Shawn Walker wrote:
http://directorymanager.wordpress.com/2007/11/28/an-open-letter-to-
the-opends-community-and-to-sun-microsystems/
I've been investigating. Take a look at http://tinyurl.com/ys5hf3 -
this was the change Neil et al made to the governance. All
Che Kristo wrote:
Ian Collins wrote:
What do 4 out of the above 5 questions have to do with OpenSolaris?
OK, let look at it:
Point 1 - if this sort of behavior is condoned who is to say that the
same thing could not happen with OpenSolaris
That would probably require Sun laying off most
Shawn Walker wrote:
http://directorymanager.wordpress.com/2007/11/28/an-op
en-letter-to-the-opends-community-and-to-sun-microsyst
ems/
You know, I'm wondering why you chose to write that
subject line, Shawn.
There are no middle managers here on these lists.
There are only project
Shawn,
Thank you for bringing that to our attention.
On Nov 29, 2007 9:01 PM, Shawn Walker
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://directorymanager.wordpress.com/2007/11/28/an-op
en-letter-to-the-opends-community-and-to-s
un-microsystems/
Shawn,
Thank you for bringing that to
Shawn Walker wrote:
http://directorymanager.wordpress.com/2007/11/28/an-open-letter-to-the-opends-community-and-to-sun-microsystems/
You know, I'm wondering why you chose to write that subject line, Shawn.
There are no middle managers here on these lists. There are only project
managers who
On Nov 30, 2007 9:04 AM, Jim Grisanzio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Shawn Walker wrote:
On Nov 30, 2007 3:02 AM, Jim Grisanzio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Chris Mahan wrote:
I look forward to the discussion this is going to generate, namely: can
Sun
do the same to OpenSolaris, and if not,
On Nov 30, 2007, at 13:29, UNIX admin wrote:
I've been investigating. Take a look at
http://tinyurl.com/ys5hf3 -
this was the change Neil et al made to the
governance.
Dear Mr. Phipps, I can see the nicely colored changes, but without
knowing who made which change, even the pretty
I've been investigating. Take a look at
http://tinyurl.com/ys5hf3 -
this was the change Neil et al made to the
governance.
Dear Mr. Phipps, I can see the nicely colored changes, but without knowing who
made which change, even the pretty colors are pretty meaningless to me.
Anyways, that's
Hi guys, I'm a middle manager at Sun. I figured you
wouldn't know I'm
out here if I didn't speak up, so here I go. I
manage the globalization
team in Beijing and lots of people in my team
contribute to
OpenSolaris. I read every single posting on this
forum.
- melanie
Thanks
How do you expect us Sun employees to react
to mail like this?
Hi Jim,
I don't know about Shawn, but I'll write for myself:
I expect Sun employees to forward the blog URI
directly to Jonathan Schwartz.
I also expect Sun employees to back up their now
former colleague and show that
Dale Ghent wrote:
As such, one would expect for these projects to be treated somewhat
consistently by Sun. If the allegations are true in the OpenDS
kerfuffle, you can make a spot on bet that I (at least) would want to
know if an analog of that could happen to OpenSolaris.
I don't
On Nov 30, 2007 9:18 AM, Shawn Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If Sun is so inexperienced in this area, perhaps they should have
considered hiring someone who is as a community manager, and ensuring
that he drives their decisions instead of stumbling around?
I would like to clarify that this
http://directorymanager.wordpress.com/2007/11/28/an-open-letter-to-the-opends-community-and-to-sun-microsystems/
--
Shawn Walker, Software and Systems Analyst
http://binarycrusader.blogspot.com/
We don't have enough parallel universes to allow all uses of all
junction types--in the absence of
Shawn,
Thank you for bringing that to our attention.
On Nov 29, 2007 9:01 PM, Shawn Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://directorymanager.wordpress.com/2007/11/28/an-open-letter-to-the-opends-community-and-to-sun-microsystems/
Shawn,
Thank you for bringing that to our attention.
I look
http://directorymanager.wordpress.com/2007/11/28/an-op
en-letter-to-the-opends-community-and-to-sun-microsyst
ems/
--
Shawn Walker, Software and Systems Analyst
http://binarycrusader.blogspot.com/
We don't have enough parallel universes to allow all
uses of all
junction types--in the
Ché Kristo wrote:
We all hope as Neil suggested in his post that this is an isolated incident
arising from a rogue middle manager. Given the whole fiasco we had around the
use of the OpenSolaris brand for Indiana it would be good judgement for Sun
to reply to this news in a very
Shawn,
Thank you for bringing that to our attention.
On Nov 29, 2007 9:01 PM, Shawn Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://directorymanager.wordpress.com/2007/11/28/an-open-letter-to-the-opends-community-and-to-s
un-microsystems/
Shawn,
Thank you for bringing that to our attention.
I
On Nov 30, 2007, at 1:51 AM, Ian Collins wrote:
What do 4 out of the above 5 questions have to do with OpenSolaris?
Everything.
If Sun can gut OpenDS like that and put the project's own governance
under duress, whose to say the same won't happen to prominent
OpenSolaris.org projects?
Dale Ghent wrote:
On Nov 30, 2007, at 1:51 AM, Ian Collins wrote:
What do 4 out of the above 5 questions have to do with OpenSolaris?
Everything.
If Sun can gut OpenDS like that and put the project's own governance
under duress, whose to say the same won't happen to prominent
On Nov 30, 2007, at 1:51 AM, Ian Collins wrote:
What do 4 out of the above 5 questions have to do with OpenSolaris?
Everything.
If Sun can gut OpenDS like that and put the project's own governance
under duress, whose to say the same won't happen to prominent
OpenSolaris.org projects?
How
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