On Dec 1, 2007 9:23 PM, Ben McGinnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 1) The cited project hasn't been closed down, just restructured (along
> with other large chunks of Sun recently).
>
> 2) OpenSolaris' licensing has resulted in all released code
> effectively being "in the wild" - those horses ha
Chris Mahan([EMAIL PROTECTED])@Thu, Nov 29, 2007 at 09:49:31PM -0800:
>
> I look forward to the discussion this is going to generate, namely:
> can Sun do the same to OpenSolaris, and if not, why not, what's
> preventing them. I'm looking for sound legal reasons, not Sun's
> goodwill.
1) The cite
Shawn Walker wrote:
"Don't you realise that stuff like this only continues
to cement the view that the left hand doesn't know
what the right hand at Sun is doing?"
>From an empirical point of view... maybe.
Top talent from the OpenDS project will move on to new
and brighter ventures. The article
Simon Phipps wrote:
>
> On Nov 30, 2007, at 09:44, Ché Kristo wrote:
>> Are you talking about the changeset from 8 hours ago titled
>> "Restoring Sun approved governance" :
>> https://opends.dev.java.net/source/browse/opends/trunk/www/public/docs/dev-docs/OpenDS-Governance.html?rev=3475&r1=3475&
Ian Collins wrote:
> Ché Kristo wrote:
>
>> We all hope as Neil suggested in his post that this is an isolated incident
>> arising from a rogue middle manager. Given the whole fiasco we had around
>> the use of the OpenSolaris brand for Indiana it would be good judgement for
>> Sun to reply t
On Nov 30, 2007 9:18 AM, Shawn Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If Sun is so inexperienced in this area, perhaps they should have
> considered hiring someone who is as a community manager, and ensuring
> that he drives their decisions instead of stumbling around?
>
I would like to clarify that
Chris Mahan wrote:
> I look forward to the discussion this is going to generate, namely: can
> Sun do the same to OpenSolaris, and if not, why not, what's preventing
> them. I'm looking for sound legal reasons, not Sun's goodwill.
Sun management approved the current OpenSolaris charter & constit
On Nov 30, 2007 9:31 AM, Jim Grisanzio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Shawn Walker wrote:
>
> > Don't you realise that stuff like this only continues to cement the
> > view that the left hand doesn't know what the right hand at Sun is
> > doing?
>
>
> The left hand doesn't know what the right hand is
On Nov 30, 2007, at 15:28, Shawn Walker wrote:
> On Nov 30, 2007 9:25 AM, Simon Phipps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> On Nov 30, 2007, at 15:18, Shawn Walker wrote:
>>
>>> I often hear the excuse that "we're still learning" -- but some
>>> things
>>> are plain ole' "common sense."
>>
>> Sadly
Shawn Walker wrote:
> Don't you realise that stuff like this only continues to cement the
> view that the left hand doesn't know what the right hand at Sun is
> doing?
The left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing. Ok. Guilty. Why
is that surprising? It's a large organization and many
On Nov 30, 2007 9:25 AM, Simon Phipps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Nov 30, 2007, at 15:18, Shawn Walker wrote:
>
> > I often hear the excuse that "we're still learning" -- but some things
> > are plain ole' "common sense."
>
> Sadly "common sense" isn't that common, nor is there universal
> ag
On Nov 30, 2007, at 15:18, Shawn Walker wrote:
> I often hear the excuse that "we're still learning" -- but some things
> are plain ole' "common sense."
Sadly "common sense" isn't that common, nor is there universal
agreement what it means.
S.
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On Nov 30, 2007 9:04 AM, Jim Grisanzio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Shawn Walker wrote:
> > On Nov 30, 2007 3:02 AM, Jim Grisanzio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Chris Mahan wrote:
> >>
> >>> I look forward to the discussion this is going to generate, namely: can
> >>> Sun
> >>> do the same to Op
On Nov 30, 2007 9:02 AM, Simon Phipps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Nov 30, 2007, at 14:41, Shawn Walker wrote:
>
> > It's hard not to focus on Sun when their management team's inability
> > to clearly communicate both inside and outside of their company
> > continues to make the communities th
On Nov 30, 2007, at 15:04, Shawn Walker wrote:
>
> Please understand that I, as an outsider, had no way to independently
> verify the situation since a good portion of it was related to
> internal Sun communications.
Totally understand.
> In retrospect, I should have titled my original posting "
Shawn Walker wrote:
> On Nov 30, 2007 3:02 AM, Jim Grisanzio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Chris Mahan wrote:
>>
>>> I look forward to the discussion this is going to generate, namely: can Sun
>>> do the same to OpenSolaris, and if not, why not, what's preventing them. I'm
>>> looking for sound leg
On Nov 30, 2007 6:11 AM, Simon Phipps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Nov 30, 2007, at 11:20, UNIX admin wrote:
>
> > Hi Jim,
> >
> > I don't know about Shawn, but I'll write for myself:
> >
> > I expect Sun employees to forward the blog URI directly to Jonathan
> > Schwartz.
> > I also expect Su
On Nov 30, 2007, at 14:41, Shawn Walker wrote:
> It's hard not to focus on Sun when their management team's inability
> to clearly communicate both inside and outside of their company
> continues to make the communities they participate in look like
> nothing more than a "pr move" and leads to de
Dale Ghent wrote:
> As such, one would expect for these projects to be treated somewhat
> consistently by Sun. If the allegations are true in the OpenDS
> kerfuffle, you can make a spot on bet that I (at least) would want to
> know if an analog of that could happen to OpenSolaris.
>
I don'
On Nov 30, 2007 3:02 AM, Jim Grisanzio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Chris Mahan wrote:
>
> > I look forward to the discussion this is going to generate, namely: can Sun
> > do the same to OpenSolaris, and if not, why not, what's preventing them. I'm
> > looking for sound legal reasons, not Sun's go
On Nov 30, 2007 3:29 AM, Jim Grisanzio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Shawn Walker wrote:
> > http://directorymanager.wordpress.com/2007/11/28/an-open-letter-to-the-opends-community-and-to-sun-microsystems/
>
> You know, I'm wondering why you chose to write that subject line, Shawn.
> There are no mi
On Nov 30, 2007, at 13:29, UNIX admin wrote:
>> I've been investigating. Take a look at
>> http://tinyurl.com/ys5hf3 -
>> this was the change Neil et al made to the
>> governance.
>
> Dear Mr. Phipps, I can see the nicely colored changes, but without
> knowing who made which change, even the pr
On Nov 30, 2007, at 4:02 AM, Jim Grisanzio wrote:
> I know nothing about OpenDS, and I bet very few here are involved
> either. This is an OpenSolaris forum. Sun has already demonstrated its
> "good will" by opening /this/ project and enabling /these/ engineers
> to
> interact with /this/ commun
> I've been investigating. Take a look at
> http://tinyurl.com/ys5hf3 -
> this was the change Neil et al made to the
> governance.
Dear Mr. Phipps, I can see the nicely colored changes, but without knowing who
made which change, even the pretty colors are pretty meaningless to me.
Anyways, tha
On Nov 30, 2007, at 2:48 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> The OpenSolaris governance model needed to be approved by Sun before
> it was put up for a community vote; that was all conducted in the
> Open. What that means is also that we cannot change the governance
> model without renewed approval.
>
On Nov 30, 2007, at 2:41 AM, Ian Collins wrote:
>>
> Notice I said four of the points, I can certainly see the relevance in
> the fifth, which could easily get lost in the noise generated by the
> others. This isn't a Sun HR list.
Oh, come on. Stop being such a pedant.
/dale
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On Nov 30, 2007, at 11:20, UNIX admin wrote:
> Hi Jim,
>
> I don't know about Shawn, but I'll write for myself:
>
> I expect Sun employees to forward the blog URI directly to Jonathan
> Schwartz.
> I also expect Sun employees to back up their now former colleague
> and show that they have spi
> Hi guys, I'm a middle manager at Sun. I figured you
> wouldn't know I'm
> out here if I didn't speak up, so here I go. I
> manage the globalization
> team in Beijing and lots of people in my team
> contribute to
> OpenSolaris. I read every single posting on this
> forum.
>
> - melanie
T
> > > How do you expect us Sun employees to react
> > > to mail like this?
> >
> > Hi Jim,
> >
> > I don't know about Shawn, but I'll write for
> myself:
> >
> > I expect Sun employees to forward the blog URI
> > directly to Jonathan Schwartz.
> > I also expect Sun employees to back up their no
>
>
> >Are you talking about the changeset from 8 hours ago
> titled "Restoring Sun approved governance" :
> https://opends.dev.java.net/source/browse/opends/trun
> /www/public/docs/dev-docs/OpenDS-Governance.
> html?rev=3475&r1=3475&r2=3474 ?
>
>
> I'm not sure where you get "8 hours ago"?
>I expect Sun employees to forward the blog URI directly to Jonathan Schwartz.
>I also expect Sun employees to back up their now former colleague and show
>that they have spine, and complain to Jonathan about this incident.
If the incident is indeed as it transpired but it seems that the story
i
> > How do you expect us Sun employees to react
> > to mail like this?
>
> Hi Jim,
>
> I don't know about Shawn, but I'll write for myself:
>
> I expect Sun employees to forward the blog URI
> directly to Jonathan Schwartz.
> I also expect Sun employees to back up their now
> former colleague a
> How do you expect us Sun employees to react
> to mail like this?
Hi Jim,
I don't know about Shawn, but I'll write for myself:
I expect Sun employees to forward the blog URI directly to Jonathan Schwartz.
I also expect Sun employees to back up their now former colleague and show that
they hav
On Nov 30, 2007, at 09:44, Ché Kristo wrote:
> Are you talking about the changeset from 8 hours ago titled
> "Restoring Sun approved governance" : https://opends.dev.java.net/
> source/browse/opends/trunk/www/public/docs/dev-docs/OpenDS-
> Governance.html?rev=3475&r1=3475&r2=3474 ?
That is t
Hi guys, I'm a middle manager at Sun. I figured you wouldn't know I'm
out here if I didn't speak up, so here I go. I manage the globalization
team in Beijing and lots of people in my team contribute to
OpenSolaris. I read every single posting on this forum.
- melanie
Ché Kristo wrote:
>> S
On Nov 30, 2007, at 05:01, Shawn Walker wrote:
> http://directorymanager.wordpress.com/2007/11/28/an-open-letter-to-
> the-opends-community-and-to-sun-microsystems/
I've been investigating. Take a look at http://tinyurl.com/ys5hf3 -
this was the change Neil et al made to the governance. All
> Shawn Walker wrote:
> >
> http://directorymanager.wordpress.com/2007/11/28/an-op
> en-letter-to-the-opends-community-and-to-sun-microsyst
> ems/
>
> You know, I'm wondering why you chose to write that
> subject line, Shawn.
> There are no middle managers here on these lists.
> There are only pr
Che Kristo wrote:
> Ian Collins wrote:
>>
>> What do 4 out of the above 5 questions have to do with OpenSolaris?
>>
> OK, let look at it:
>
> Point 1 - if this sort of behavior is condoned who is to say that the
> same thing could not happen with OpenSolaris
>
That would probably require Sun laying
>Are you talking about the changeset from 8 hours ago titled "Restoring Sun
>approved governance" :
https://opends.dev.java.net/source/browse/opends/trunk/www/public/docs/dev-docs/OpenDS-Governance.
html?rev=3475&r1=3475&r2=3474 ?
I'm not sure where you get "8 hours ago"? I count nearly 9
>
> >Shawn,
> >
> >Thank you for bringing that to our attention.
> >
> >On Nov 29, 2007 9:01 PM, Shawn Walker
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> http://directorymanager.wordpress.com/2007/11/28/an-op
> en-letter-to-the-opends-community-and-to-s
> un-microsystems/
> >>
> >
> >Shawn,
> >
>
Shawn Walker wrote:
> http://directorymanager.wordpress.com/2007/11/28/an-open-letter-to-the-opends-community-and-to-sun-microsystems/
You know, I'm wondering why you chose to write that subject line, Shawn.
There are no middle managers here on these lists. There are only project
managers who ar
Chris Mahan wrote:
> I look forward to the discussion this is going to generate, namely: can Sun
> do the same to OpenSolaris, and if not, why not, what's preventing them. I'm
> looking for sound legal reasons, not Sun's goodwill.
I know nothing about OpenDS, and I bet very few here are involved
>On Nov 30, 2007, at 1:51 AM, Ian Collins wrote:
>
>>
>> What do 4 out of the above 5 questions have to do with OpenSolaris?
>
>Everything.
>
>If Sun can gut OpenDS like that and put the project's own governance
>under duress, whose to say the same won't happen to prominent
>OpenSolaris.org pr
Dale Ghent wrote:
> On Nov 30, 2007, at 1:51 AM, Ian Collins wrote:
>
>
>> What do 4 out of the above 5 questions have to do with OpenSolaris?
>>
>
> Everything.
>
> If Sun can gut OpenDS like that and put the project's own governance
> under duress, whose to say the same won't happen to
On Nov 30, 2007, at 1:51 AM, Ian Collins wrote:
>
> What do 4 out of the above 5 questions have to do with OpenSolaris?
Everything.
If Sun can gut OpenDS like that and put the project's own governance
under duress, whose to say the same won't happen to prominent
OpenSolaris.org projects?
Ho
>Shawn,
>
>Thank you for bringing that to our attention.
>
>On Nov 29, 2007 9:01 PM, Shawn Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>
>> http://directorymanager.wordpress.com/2007/11/28/an-open-letter-to-the-opends-community-and-to-s
un-microsystems/
>>
>
>Shawn,
>
>Thank you for bringing that to our
Ché Kristo wrote:
>
> We all hope as Neil suggested in his post that this is an isolated incident
> arising from a rogue middle manager. Given the whole fiasco we had around the
> use of the OpenSolaris brand for Indiana it would be good judgement for Sun
> to reply to this news in a very transp
> http://directorymanager.wordpress.com/2007/11/28/an-op
> en-letter-to-the-opends-community-and-to-sun-microsyst
> ems/
>
> --
> Shawn Walker, Software and Systems Analyst
> http://binarycrusader.blogspot.com/
>
> "We don't have enough parallel universes to allow all
> uses of all
> junction ty
Shawn,
Thank you for bringing that to our attention.
On Nov 29, 2007 9:01 PM, Shawn Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> http://directorymanager.wordpress.com/2007/11/28/an-open-letter-to-the-opends-community-and-to-sun-microsystems/
>
Shawn,
Thank you for bringing that to our attention.
I l
http://directorymanager.wordpress.com/2007/11/28/an-open-letter-to-the-opends-community-and-to-sun-microsystems/
--
Shawn Walker, Software and Systems Analyst
http://binarycrusader.blogspot.com/
"We don't have enough parallel universes to allow all uses of all
junction types--in the absence of q
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