I personally have mixed feelings about this - the fact that OBS has
openSUSE in its name helps to get the openSUSE name 'out there' as its
use becomes more popular, but I agree that there is a strong
implication for users that it is only for openSUSE. The other reasons
raised by Gumb are also valid
On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:46 AM, Helen wrote:
> I personally have mixed feelings about this - the fact that OBS has
> openSUSE in its name helps to get the openSUSE name 'out there' as its
> use becomes more popular, but I agree that there is a strong
> implication for users that it is only for ope
On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 12:51 PM, Nelson Marques wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:46 AM, Helen wrote:
>> I personally have mixed feelings about this - the fact that OBS has
>> openSUSE in its name helps to get the openSUSE name 'out there' as its
>> use becomes more popular, but I agree that ther
On Wednesday 02 February 2011 04:46:15 Helen wrote:
> I personally have mixed feelings about this - the fact that OBS has
> openSUSE in its name helps to get the openSUSE name 'out there' as its
> use becomes more popular, but I agree that there is a strong
> implication for users that it is only f
Le 02/02/2011 19:50, Greg Freemyer a écrit :
> Are you suggesting openSUSE start advertizing 115,652 packages, in
> 28,949 repositories on the openSUSE Build Service!
YESSS
having *one* line in the opensuse.org screen with "today xxx
packages in OBS" would be really great
On Wednesday 02 February 2011 19:50:24 Greg Freemyer wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 12:51 PM, Nelson Marques
wrote:
> > On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:46 AM, Helen
wrote:
> >> I personally have mixed feelings about this - the fact that OBS has
> >> openSUSE in its name helps to get the openSUSE name
On Wednesday 02 February 2011 20:35:24 jdd wrote:
> Le 02/02/2011 19:50, Greg Freemyer a écrit :
> > Are you suggesting openSUSE start advertizing 115,652 packages, in
> > 28,949 repositories on the openSUSE Build Service!
>
> YESSS
>
> having *one* line in the opensuse.org screen
On Wed, 2011-02-02 at 14:46 +1100, Helen wrote:
> I personally have mixed feelings about this - the fact that OBS has
> openSUSE in its name helps to get the openSUSE name 'out there' as its
> use becomes more popular, but I agree that there is a strong
> implication for users that it is only for o
On Wed, 2011-02-02 at 14:46 +1100, Helen wrote:
> On a related note, I was under the impression that Bretzn was being
> renamed to 'AppInstaller' though perhaps I've got the "wrong end of
> the stick" as the saying goes.
Maybe we should come up with something that conforms with our "open"
identit
On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 2:52 PM, Jos Poortvliet wrote:
>> That reads as if you assume OBS is not successful. I feel the opposite.
>
> Indeed. It is popular but could be more so ;-)
>
> BTW we also need to do more in the area of USING those huge numbers. For
> marketing but also community building
Le 02/02/2011 21:10, Bryen M. Yunashko a écrit :
> We're really starting to build up on the fact that "openSUSE" is not a
> distribution but a Project, and that you can participate and benefit
> from the Project without even using the distro.
Great!!
jdd
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On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Jos Poortvliet wrote:
> On Wednesday 02 February 2011 19:50:24 Greg Freemyer wrote:
>> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 12:51 PM, Nelson Marques
> wrote:
>> > On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:46 AM, Helen
> wrote:
>> >> I personally have mixed feelings about this - the fact that OB
On Wednesday 02 February 2011 21:27:35 Greg Freemyer wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 2:52 PM, Jos Poortvliet
> wrote:
>
> >> That reads as if you assume OBS is not successful. I feel the opposite.
> >
> > Indeed. It is popular but could be more so ;-)
> >
> > BTW we also need to do more in th
On Wednesday 02 February 2011 21:10:55 Bryen M. Yunashko wrote:
> This is a proposal that actually has been brought up before in some
> marketing discussions. I strongly believe we need to change the name
> openSUSE Build Service to Open Build Service because from a marketing
> perspective it is
On Wednesday 02 February 2011 21:21:59 Bryen M. Yunashko wrote:
> On Wed, 2011-02-02 at 14:46 +1100, Helen wrote:
> > On a related note, I was under the impression that Bretzn was being
> > renamed to 'AppInstaller' though perhaps I've got the "wrong end of
> > the stick" as the saying goes.
>
> M
On Wednesday 02 February 2011 22:20:00 Nelson Marques wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Jos Poortvliet
wrote:
> > I personally don't see it as a big issue directly - the only issue with
> > it is that people clearly assume the "openSUSE Build Service" is there
> > to "Build openSUSE Softwa
On Wednesday 02 February 2011 22:20:00 Nelson Marques wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Jos Poortvliet
wrote:
> Maybe before we can be attractive to developers we have to be
> attractive to end users, so that they ditch their distribution
> repositories and use ours (which isn't supported
On 02.02.2011, at 22:22, Jos Poortvliet wrote:
> On Wednesday 02 February 2011 21:21:59 Bryen M. Yunashko wrote:
>> On Wed, 2011-02-02 at 14:46 +1100, Helen wrote:
>>> On a related note, I was under the impression that Bretzn was being
>>> renamed to 'AppInstaller' though perhaps I've got the "wr
On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 8:20 AM, Nelson Marques wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Jos Poortvliet
> wrote:
>> On Wednesday 02 February 2011 19:50:24 Greg Freemyer wrote:
>>> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 12:51 PM, Nelson Marques
>> wrote:
>
> If people see it that way, maybe it's marketing failu
Am Mittwoch, 2. Februar 2011, 22:31:18 schrieb Jos Poortvliet:
> On Wednesday 02 February 2011 22:20:00 Nelson Marques wrote:
> > On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Jos Poortvliet
>
> wrote:
> > > I personally don't see it as a big issue directly - the only issue
> > > with
> > > it is that people c
On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 4:28 PM, Jos Poortvliet wrote:
> On Wednesday 02 February 2011 21:10:55 Bryen M. Yunashko wrote:
>
>> This is a proposal that actually has been brought up before in some
>> marketing discussions. I strongly believe we need to change the name
>> openSUSE Build Service to Op
On Wednesday 02 February 2011 22:57:02 Adrian Schröter wrote:
> Am Mittwoch, 2. Februar 2011, 22:31:18 schrieb Jos Poortvliet:
> > On Wednesday 02 February 2011 22:20:00 Nelson Marques wrote:
> > > On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Jos Poortvliet
> > >
> >
> > wrote:
> > > > I personally don't see
On Wednesday, February 02, 2011 03:44:00 pm Helen wrote:
> At what point did the Marketing team and OBS representatives
> have a round table and decide on the optimal branding for the build
> service? Is there an IRC log on that?
OBS is much older then marketing effort :)
This thread is the first
>> Meanwhile, we do indeed need to think about the name. How big is the scope of
>> Bretzn, and IF we decide it's fully cross desktop/distro, is Bretzn the right
>> name? It has indeed disadvantages, being hard to spell and pronounce for non-
>> Germans...
>
> Well. "Project Bretzn" is the codename
Am Donnerstag, 3. Februar 2011, 01:31:24 schrieb Jos Poortvliet:
> On Wednesday 02 February 2011 22:57:02 Adrian Schröter wrote:
> > Am Mittwoch, 2. Februar 2011, 22:31:18 schrieb Jos Poortvliet:
...
> > Just my 2cent on this:
> >
> > * I think when using the just the term "OBS" more strictly and
On 03.02.2011, at 10:19, Helen wrote:
>>> Meanwhile, we do indeed need to think about the name. How big is the scope
>>> of
>>> Bretzn, and IF we decide it's fully cross desktop/distro, is Bretzn the
>>> right
>>> name? It has indeed disadvantages, being hard to spell and pronounce for
>>> non
On Thursday 03 February 2011 10:55:01 Adrian Schröter wrote:
> Am Donnerstag, 3. Februar 2011, 01:31:24 schrieb Jos Poortvliet:
> > On Wednesday 02 February 2011 22:57:02 Adrian Schröter wrote:
> > > Am Mittwoch, 2. Februar 2011, 22:31:18 schrieb Jos Poortvliet:
> ...
>
> > > Just my 2cent on this
On Thursday, February 03, 2011 04:57:40 AM Frank Karlitschek wrote:
> On 03.02.2011, at 10:19, Helen wrote:
> >>> Meanwhile, we do indeed need to think about the name. How big is the
> >>> scope of Bretzn, and IF we decide it's fully cross desktop/distro, is
> >>> Bretzn the right name? It has inde
On 03/02/2011 04:07 μμ, Ricardo Chung wrote:
On Thursday, February 03, 2011 04:57:40 AM Frank Karlitschek wrote:
On 03.02.2011, at 10:19, Helen wrote:
Meanwhile, we do indeed need to think about the name. How big is the
scope of Bretzn, and IF we decide it's fully cross desktop/distro, is
Bretz
Am 03.02.2011 16:17, schrieb Stathis Iosifidis (aka diamond_gr):
Maybe name OBS as BSOS meaning Building Service for Operating
System(s) but we also can have it as Building Service of (for) open
SUSE or Building Service Open Source.
One acronym with many meanings...
Open Build Service - as J
Jos,
On Thu, Feb 03, 2011 at 12:02:04PM +0100, Jos Poortvliet wrote:
> On Thursday 03 February 2011 10:55:01 Adrian Schröter wrote:
> > One of them (Kurt Garloff) made actually a suggestion some month ago to
> > rename it to "OBS Build Service". This is in the tradition of the Gnu
> > tools and al
On Thu, 2011-02-03 at 17:29 +0100, Kurt Garloff wrote:
> Jos,
>
> On Thu, Feb 03, 2011 at 12:02:04PM +0100, Jos Poortvliet wrote:
> > On Thursday 03 February 2011 10:55:01 Adrian Schröter wrote:
> > > One of them (Kurt Garloff) made actually a suggestion some month ago to
> > > rename it to "OBS B
On Thu, Feb 03, 2011 at 10:55:01AM +0100, Adrian Schröter wrote:
> One of them (Kurt Garloff) made actually a suggestion some month ago to rename
> it to "OBS Build Service". This is in the tradition of the Gnu tools and also
> rpm (RedHat Package Manager -> rpm package manager) is a good example.
On Thu, 2011-02-03 at 16:37 +0100, Kim Leyendecker wrote:
> Am 03.02.2011 16:17, schrieb Stathis Iosifidis (aka diamond_gr):
> > Maybe name OBS as BSOS meaning Building Service for Operating
> > System(s) but we also can have it as Building Service of (for) open
> > SUSE or Building Service Open
On Thursday, February 03, 2011 11:19:24 AM Bryen M. Yunashko wrote:
> On Thu, 2011-02-03 at 16:37 +0100, Kim Leyendecker wrote:
> > Am 03.02.2011 16:17, schrieb Stathis Iosifidis (aka diamond_gr):
> > > Maybe name OBS as BSOS meaning Building Service for Operating
> > > System(s) but we also can ha
Hi,
Op woensdag 02 februari 2011 22:42:23 schreef Jos Poortvliet:
> > Maybe before we can be attractive to developers we have to be
> > attractive to end users, so that they ditch their distribution
> > repositories and use ours (which isn't supported by any distribution).
> > So for you to succed
Why not use both names? Then one could use either name depending on the
political context.
"open-buildservice for historical reasons also called opensuse-buildservice"
"opensuse-buildservice for marketing reasons also called open-buildservice"
There could be a virtual project so that people tr
On Thursday, February 03, 2011 10:19:24 am Bryen M. Yunashko wrote:
> If I'm not mistaken (and it wouldn't be the first time I've been
> mistaken) OBS also packages for Windows. Thus Linux Build Service
> wouldn't work. Open is still the best.
As mentioned before we can use only "OBS" and as e
On Thu, 2011-02-03 at 19:04 -0600, Rajko M. wrote:
> On Thursday, February 03, 2011 10:19:24 am Bryen M. Yunashko wrote:
>
> > If I'm not mistaken (and it wouldn't be the first time I've been
> > mistaken) OBS also packages for Windows. Thus Linux Build Service
> > wouldn't work. Open is still
On Thursday, February 03, 2011 08:33:58 PM Bryen M. Yunashko wrote:
> On Thu, 2011-02-03 at 19:04 -0600, Rajko M. wrote:
> > On Thursday, February 03, 2011 10:19:24 am Bryen M. Yunashko wrote:
> > > If I'm not mistaken (and it wouldn't be the first time I've been
> > > mistaken) OBS also packages f
On Thursday, February 03, 2011 07:33:58 pm Bryen M. Yunashko wrote:
...
> A. We recommend formally changing the name to ""Open Build Service"
>
> B. We recommend formally changing the name to OBS and allowing people
> to use "openSUSE Build Service" or "open Build Service" as they see fit.
>
>
Bryen M. Yunashko wrote:
> A. We recommend formally changing the name to ""Open Build Service"
>
> B. We recommend formally changing the name to OBS and allowing people
> to use "openSUSE Build Service" or "open Build Service" as they see fit.
>
> C. Leave it as is - openSUSE Build Service
I
I vote A, Open Build Service
(but only by a small factor over C.)
I VIGOROUSLY oppose B on the grounds of ambiguity creating confusion.
regards,
Helen
On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 12:33 PM, Bryen M. Yunashko wrote:
> On Thu, 2011-02-03 at 19:04 -0600, Rajko M. wrote:
>> On Thursday, February 03, 2
On Fri, 2011-02-04 at 13:31 +0900, Satoru Matsumoto wrote:
> Bryen M. Yunashko wrote:
>
> > A. We recommend formally changing the name to ""Open Build Service"
> >
> > B. We recommend formally changing the name to OBS and allowing people
> > to use "openSUSE Build Service" or "open Build Servic
I vote for a single brand name, it wont matter to me if its openSUSE
Build Service / open Build Service / OBS Build Service.
What we are talking over here is changing the brand name and imo there
should be no ambiguity whatsover be the reason.
Maybe again, OBS is reaching to a lot of people speci
On Thursday 03 February 2011 23:50:27 Paul Elliott wrote:
> Why not use both names? Then one could use either name depending on the
> political context.
>
> "open-buildservice for historical reasons also called
> opensuse-buildservice"
>
> "opensuse-buildservice for marketing reasons also called
On Friday 04 February 2011 02:33:58 Bryen M. Yunashko wrote:
> On Thu, 2011-02-03 at 19:04 -0600, Rajko M. wrote:
> > On Thursday, February 03, 2011 10:19:24 am Bryen M. Yunashko wrote:
> > > If I'm not mistaken (and it wouldn't be the first time I've been
> > > mistaken) OBS also packages for Wind
On 2/4/11 8:29 AM, Jos Poortvliet wrote:
On Thursday 03 February 2011 23:50:27 Paul Elliott wrote:
Why not use both names? Then one could use either name depending on the
political context.
"open-buildservice for historical reasons also called
opensuse-buildservice"
"opensuse-buildservice for
On 2011-02-04 Bryen wrote:
> On Fri, 2011-02-04 at 13:31 +0900, Satoru Matsumoto wrote:
> > Bryen M. Yunashko wrote:
> > > A. We recommend formally changing the name to ""Open Build Service"
> > >
> > > B. We recommend formally changing the name to OBS and allowing people
> > > to use "openSUSE
Am Donnerstag, 10. Februar 2011, 10:18:32 schrieb Jos Poortvliet:
> On 2011-02-04 Bryen wrote:
> > On Fri, 2011-02-04 at 13:31 +0900, Satoru Matsumoto wrote:
> > > Bryen M. Yunashko wrote:
> > > > A. We recommend formally changing the name to ""Open Build
> > > > Service"
> > > >
> > > > B. We r
On 2011-02-10 Adrian wrote:
> Am Donnerstag, 10. Februar 2011, 10:18:32 schrieb Jos Poortvliet:
> > On 2011-02-04 Bryen wrote:
> > > On Fri, 2011-02-04 at 13:31 +0900, Satoru Matsumoto wrote:
> > > > Bryen M. Yunashko wrote:
> > > > > A. We recommend formally changing the name to ""Open Build
> >
On Thu, 2011-02-10 at 13:29 +0100, Adrian Schröter wrote:
> Am Donnerstag, 10. Februar 2011, 10:18:32 schrieb Jos Poortvliet:
>
> > On 2011-02-04 Bryen wrote:
>
> > > On Fri, 2011-02-04 at 13:31 +0900, Satoru Matsumoto wrote:
>
> > > > Bryen M. Yunashko wrote:
>
> > > > > A. We recommend formal
Am Donnerstag, 10. Februar 2011, 08:08:06 schrieb Bryen M. Yunashko:
> On Thu, 2011-02-10 at 13:29 +0100, Adrian Schröter wrote:
> > Am Donnerstag, 10. Februar 2011, 10:18:32 schrieb Jos Poortvliet:
> > > On 2011-02-04 Bryen wrote:
> > > > On Fri, 2011-02-04 at 13:31 +0900, Satoru Matsumoto wrote:
On Thu, 2011-02-10 at 15:41 +0100, Adrian Schröter wrote:
> The point is, also the OBS developer team is not free to decide (I
> hope this
> became clear in earlier mails). OBS is a SUSE/Novell product in first
> place,
> used also by openSUSE.
>
> I am also personal interessted in a name change,
Am Donnerstag, 10. Februar 2011, 08:53:59 schrieb Bryen M. Yunashko:
> On Thu, 2011-02-10 at 15:41 +0100, Adrian Schröter wrote:
> > The point is, also the OBS developer team is not free to decide (I
> > hope this
> > became clear in earlier mails). OBS is a SUSE/Novell product in first
> > place,
Am Donnerstag, 10. Februar 2011, 09:50:45 schrieb Bryen M. Yunashko:
> On Thu, 2011-02-10 at 16:28 +0100, Adrian Schröter wrote:
> > Am Donnerstag, 10. Februar 2011, 08:53:59 schrieb Bryen M. Yunashko:
> > > On Thu, 2011-02-10 at 15:41 +0100, Adrian Schröter wrote:
> > > > The point is, also the OB
On Thu, 2011-02-10 at 16:28 +0100, Adrian Schröter wrote:
> Am Donnerstag, 10. Februar 2011, 08:53:59 schrieb Bryen M. Yunashko:
> > On Thu, 2011-02-10 at 15:41 +0100, Adrian Schröter wrote:
> > > The point is, also the OBS developer team is not free to decide (I
> > > hope this
> > > became clear
If it helps to unruffle some feathers, maybe
Open (normal voice)
SUSE (whisper)
Build Service (normal voice)
and maybe like so many other products maybe adding as an optional byline...
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:)
Tony
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 7:50 AM, Bryen M. Yunashko wrote:
> On Thu, 2011-02-1
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