Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Bedrock Beneath Pragmaticism

2019-03-10 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
ranches--Speculative Grammar, Critic, and Methodeutic. Are you really going to quibble over the absence of the *word *"Semeiotic," when that is unquestionably what he had in mind? Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Professional Engineer, Amateur Philosopher, Luthe

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Bedrock Beneath Pragmaticism

2019-03-10 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
ranch of Mathematics, and thus has no dependencies; it is a *logica utens* that only draws *necessary *conclusions from *hypothetical *states of things. Semeiotic is the Normative Science of logic, which depends on Mathematics, Phenomenology, Esthetics, and Ethics; it is a *logica docens* that

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Bedrock Beneath Pragmaticism

2019-03-09 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
his, then I continue to have a hard time seeing how Phenomenology could be expanded to include branches *other than* Phaneroscopy, as you and Andre De Tienne have proposed. Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Professional Engineer, Amateur Philosopher, Lutheran Layman www.Link

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Bedrock Beneath Pragmaticism

2019-03-09 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
tive Science, not Phaneroscopy. That is why *all *Semeiotic, *including *Speculative Grammar, is a branch of the former, not the latter. Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Professional Engineer, Amateur Philosopher, Lutheran Layman www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt - twitter.com/Jon

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Bedrock Beneath Pragmaticism

2019-03-08 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
e the difference between a Rheme and a Seme. "_ is a car" or even "_ belongs to the class of car" is a Rheme, an *incomplete *Proposition because a subject is missing; but "car" by itself, without the copula or continuous predicate, is a Seme. I will ask a

Re: Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Mathematical question WAS Imitation as pragmatism and solution to entropy problem

2019-03-08 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
nd B may be erased, or accompanied by anything > inserted. I am completely confused. Is there a rule that says: > "((A((B)))=(B(A))", or is reversing the cut direction possible at all with > EGs, or did I get the whole thing completely wrong? And, if possibility may > be

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Bedrock Beneath Pragmaticism

2019-03-08 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
(or a predicate). After all, Peirce's ethics of terminology constrained him to introduce "Seme" *only *because he needed a *new *name that was "much widened" relative to "Term." Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Professional Engineer, Amateur Philosopher,

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Bedrock Beneath Pragmaticism

2019-03-08 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
not formal/mathematical logic. It is an outcome of studying reasoning itself (*logica docens*), not simply drawing necessary conclusions. Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Professional Engineer, Amateur Philosopher, Lutheran Layman www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt - twitter.com/JonAlanS

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Bedrock Beneath Pragmaticism

2019-03-08 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
d not both, and that some propositions may be recognized to be true" (CP 2.204-205; 1901-2). It is required for Metaphysics, since it "endeavors to comprehend the Reality of Phenomena" (CP 5.121, EP 2:197; 1903), as well as all of the Special Sciences. Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Ol

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Bedrock Beneath Pragmaticism

2019-03-07 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
ning its cause." It culminates in "the consideration of homogeneities and connections between two different Universes, or all three," where ultimately "we find that the three Universes conspire." He also referred once to "the Universe" (singular). Hence I

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Bedrock Beneath Pragmaticism

2019-03-06 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
that throws everything possible into the *subject*--but the results remain recognizable as EGs, rather than calling for a different name and interpretation. Consequently, I am now inclined to stick with this alternative going forward, instead of advocating something new--which would probably be in va

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Bedrock Beneath Pragmaticism

2019-03-06 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
distinction may not need to be drawn too sharply anyway. Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Professional Engineer, Amateur Philosopher, Lutheran Layman www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt - twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 12:01 PM Gary Richmond wrote: > Gary F

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Bedrock Beneath Pragmaticism

2019-03-06 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
gonal hatching with ragged (not smooth) edges, which is how Peirce drew it R 670. Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Professional Engineer, Amateur Philosopher, Lutheran Layman www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt - twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 10:37 AM wrote: > Lis

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Bedrock Beneath Pragmaticism

2019-03-05 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
Jon S. On Tue, Mar 5, 2019 at 11:54 AM Jon Alan Schmidt wrote: > Gary F., List: > > I agree that Peirce ultimately gave up on iconizing modality in > two-dimensional Gamma EGs, instead settling for the R 514 tutorial that > only covers Alpha and Beta. A three-dimensional imple

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Bedrock Beneath Pragmaticism

2019-03-05 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
hat you have to say about Cuts, especially given your claim that it "spells trouble for the whole system of EGs." Are you perhaps referring to Peirce's remarks in R 300 about the inadequacy of representing "the concept of *Sequence*" as "a composite of two Negations&q

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Bedrock Beneath Pragmaticism

2019-03-04 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
ify the relevance of my previous one. Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Professional Engineer, Amateur Philosopher, Lutheran Layman www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt - twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 11:21 AM wrote: > Jon, list, > > I will quote below

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Bedrock Beneath Pragmaticism

2019-03-03 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
ies in its bringing qualities and things together. (CP 1.515; c. 1896, bold added) Paraphrasing Peirce elsewhere, I confess that my own conception of this parallel formulation of the third Cenoscopic Science is not yet quite free from mist (cf. CP 4.536; 1906), so I am open to other suggestions. Reg

Re: Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Mathematical question WAS Imitation as pragmatism and solution to entropy problem

2019-03-01 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
to "if B then A". What rings a bell to me, is, that usually, as > I was thinking, an "if-then" affair is causality, and causality usually > goes along with time. But in this case, the causality between A and B, by > this obvious-if-you-know-it equivalency, is reversed, a

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Seeking Manuscript # R-1041

2019-03-01 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
x27;s way up from there. Here is a direct link to R 1041-- https://rs.cms.hu-berlin.de/peircearchive/pages/search.php?search=%21collection1083 . Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Professional Engineer, Amateur Philosopher, Lutheran Layman www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt - twitte

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Analyzing Propositions (was EGs and Phaneroscopy)

2019-03-01 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
future), I term the Sign a *Concretive*; any one barometer is an example, and so is a written narrative of any series of events. For a Sign whose Dynamoid Object is a Necessitant, I have at present no better designation than a *Collective *... (EP 2:480; 1908) CSP: In respect to the Nature of th

Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Mathematical question WAS Imitation as pragmatism and solution to entropy problem

2019-03-01 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
(in the example) > there may be a society without xenophobia, though crystals do exist > > Best, > Helmut > 01. März 2019 um 15:16 Uhr > "Jon Alan Schmidt" > Helmut, List: > > As Peirce often noted, and as the corresponding Existential Graph visually > i

Re: [PEIRCE-L] C. S. Peirce web site at Harvard

2019-03-01 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
additional volumes of the Writings; those have been stuck at 1892 for almost ten years now. Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Professional Engineer, Amateur Philosopher, Lutheran Layman www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt - twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 8:50 PM John F

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Mathematical question WAS Imitation as pragmatism and solution to entropy problem

2019-03-01 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
; > Or may C be true, because a falsity is a false connection of truths, > without which it could not exist? > > Best, Helmut > 28. Februar 2019 um 17:58 Uhr > "Jon Alan Schmidt" > > Helmut: > > By "B is a fault," do you mean "B is false"

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Aw: Mathematical question WAS Imitation as pragmatism and solution to entropy problem

2019-02-28 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
is no paradox--it is false that B derives from A; i.e., C is false. Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Professional Engineer, Amateur Philosopher, Lutheran Layman www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt - twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 10:06 AM Helmut Raulien wrote

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Analyzing Propositions (was EGs and Phaneroscopy)

2019-02-27 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
sometimes exclusively, as with "Cain killed Abel." Again, I believe that there is further fruit to be harvested from the notion that "the proper way in logic is to take as the subject whatever there is of which sufficient knowledge cannot be conveyed in the proposition itself, but c

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Analyzing Propositions (was EGs and Phaneroscopy)

2019-02-26 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
aragement. Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Professional Engineer, Amateur Philosopher, Lutheran Layman www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt - twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 10:21 AM John F Sowa wrote: > On 2/26/2019 9:49 AM, Jon Alan Schmidt wrote: > &

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Analyzing Propositions (was EGs and Phaneroscopy)

2019-02-26 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
nd sometimes that process produces surprises, forcing us to reconsider views that we previously considered to be settled. Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Professional Engineer, Amateur Philosopher, Lutheran Layman www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt - twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt On M

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Analyzing Propositions (was EGs and Phaneroscopy)

2019-02-22 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
te *predicates, such as "killing"--must *already *be known to the interpreting Quasi-mind from Collateral Experience, while the latter is the *only *information that the Proposition *itself *conveys. With all of that in mind, perhaps Propositional Graphs (PGs) would be a better name than Modif

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Analyzing Propositions (was EGs and Phaneroscopy)

2019-02-20 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
ny case, such condescension is rather unbecoming. I have expressed my respect for you on multiple occasions during our recent exchanges, despite our sharp disagreements. Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Professional Engineer, Amateur Philosopher, Lutheran Layman www.LinkedIn.com/i

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Analyzing Propositions (was EGs and Phaneroscopy)

2019-02-20 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
t" what I am proposing--which, for the record, I am not dogmatically seeking to impose on anyone else. CSP: *Do not block the way of inquiry* ... The last philosophical obstacle to the advance of knowledge which I intend to mention is the holding that this or that law or truth has found its last

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] was EGs and Phaneroscopy

2019-02-18 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
uch a "theorem" can presumably be derived deductively? As someone not especially adept at Phaneroscopy myself, I wonder if a careful and diligent practice of it could provide an answer, or at least some hints in the right direction. Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Professi

Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] was EGs and Phaneroscopy

2019-02-18 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
are precisely *habits *of feeling, action, and thought. Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Professional Engineer, Amateur Philosopher, Lutheran Layman www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt - twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 9:34 AM Edwina Taborsky wrote: > List &g

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] was EGs and Phaneroscopy

2019-02-18 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
c, and Metaphysics. We *perceive *relations with different *valencies*, which correspond to the three *Categories*; we *experience *Objects with different *Modalities of Being*, which correspond to the three *Universes*. What do you think? Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Profes

Re: [PEIRCE-L] was EGs and Phaneroscopy

2019-02-17 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
Gary R., Auke, List: I apologize, "abandoned" was indeed too strong a word; and if researchers today continue to find Peirce's 1903 taxonomy of Signs to be useful for their purposes, then far be it from me to block the way of inquiry. Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, U

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Analyzing Propositions (was EGs and Phaneroscopy)

2019-02-16 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
roper way in logic" (NEM 3:885; 1908) by carrying the analysis of each Proposition "to its ultimate limits" (SS 72; 1908). Attached are a few examples for illustration and comparison. Please let me know what you think. Thanks, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Professional E

[PEIRCE-L] Re: EGs and Phaneroscopy

2019-02-16 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
*some *aspects of the Phaneron. However, I suspect that the *compulsive *aspect of Experience as Peirce defined that term ultimately differentiates it from what is merely *presented *to the mind--that which is true or false vs. that which merely *seems*--and might account for the corresponding di

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Analyzing Propositions (was EGs and Phaneroscopy)

2019-02-15 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
lling to something that is not Caesar." - Enclose everything except "Brutus" to represent "Brutus exists, and Brutus does not kill Caesar." - Enclose everything except "is in the relation of/to" to represent "a dyadic relation exists, and Brutus

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Analyzing Propositions (was EGs and Phaneroscopy)

2019-02-13 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
ot;most connections [of signs] resulting from successive pairings, a sign frequently interprets a second in so far as this is 'married' to a third" (R 1476:36; c. 1904). Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Professional Engineer, Amateur Philosopher, Lutheran Layman www.Lin

[PEIRCE-L] Analyzing Propositions (was EGs and Phaneroscopy)

2019-02-13 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
as "the proper way in logic." He apparently never discussed how to interpret EGs in accordance with that analysis, which is why I am taking a stab at doing so myself. JFS: It's impossible to have a logic without *both* subjects and predicates. And predicates that refer to content a

Re: [PEIRCE-L] EGs and phaneroscopy

2019-02-13 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
e. I have a copy of that book right now, thanks to interlibrary loan. Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Professional Engineer, Amateur Philosopher, Lutheran Layman www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt - twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 8:59 AM wrote: > Jon (and

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Examples of continuity in semiosis

2019-02-12 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
iverse, independently of whether you, I, or any collection of men or other cognoscitive beings should opine that it did or that it did not, then that assertion would be false. (CP 4.354; c. 1903) CSP: Putting the admissions together, you will perceive that the pragmaticist grants that a prope

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] EGs and phaneroscopy

2019-02-12 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
t is composed of its (universally valid) qualities, "is > identical to", that its identity is defined by the universe´s power, and > "belongs to the class of" natural (not artificial) classification... Maybe > in this respect, "power" I should replace with &q

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Peirce's Theorem of the Science of Semeiotics

2019-02-12 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
if both were somehow "removed" would be an attribute of the individual *Instance *instead, including Tones as "indefinite significant character[s]" (CP 4.537; 1906) capable of modifying the Dynamic Interpretant--e.g., font changes for emphasis, punctuation marks, voice inflectio

Re: [PEIRCE-L] EGs and phaneroscopy

2019-02-11 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
ately deviated from these a bit, settling instead on reference to a ground, reference to a correlate, and reference to an interpretant as the bases for the Categories of quality, relation (later reaction), and representation (later mediation), respectively. Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, K

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Examples of continuity in semiosis

2019-02-11 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
t;is in the relation of _ to," etc. The function of the proposition is then taken to be relating two or more subjects by means of that one predicate. Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Professional Engineer, Amateur Philosopher, Lutheran Layman www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchm

Re: [PEIRCE-L] EGs and phaneroscopy

2019-02-11 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
aracter of," "is identical to," and "belongs to the class of," respectively. With this approach, the only situation in which a Continuous Predicate must remain concealed within a Spot is when the first Subject is a quality; e.g., round---red translates to "something tha

Re: [PEIRCE-L] EGs and phaneroscopy

2019-02-09 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
ble. (R L 107; 1904) Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Professional Engineer, Amateur Philosopher, Lutheran Layman www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt - twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 4:35 PM Gary Richmond wrote: > Jeff, Gary f, Jon, > > Jeff wrote: &g

Re: [PEIRCE-L] EGs and phaneroscopy

2019-02-09 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
ple Pegs on a predicate Spot, there would simply need to be an arbitrary convention specified and maintained for which branch corresponds to each blank; e.g., the giver, giving, the gift, and the recipient for "_ is in the triadic relation of _ of _ to _," Regards, Jon Alan Sc

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Peirce's Theorem of the Science of Semeiotics

2019-02-08 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
than vernacular (cf. CP 6.452, EP 2:434; 1908). Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Professional Engineer, Amateur Philosopher, Lutheran Layman www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt - twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 8:56 AM Helmut Raulien wrote: > Jon AS, list, >

Re: [PEIRCE-L] EGs and phaneroscopy

2019-02-08 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
n thinking that led to many of my recent posts. Of course, I always welcome your (and others') feedback on those, as well. Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Professional Engineer, Amateur Philosopher, Lutheran Layman www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt - twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Examples of continuity in semiosis

2019-02-08 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
;things" may include events, processes, properties, feelings...) How can subjects be *disjoint *from predicates if they can denote properties? How can predicates by themselves be "true of things" when only a *complete *proposition is capable of being true or false? Regards,

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Peirce's Theorem of the Science of Semeiotics

2019-02-07 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
ision according to "the Manner of Appeal" (EP 2:490; 1908). An Instance of an Argument may be urged/Imperative, rather than submitted/Indicative, because it always *involves *Instances of Propositions that are *normally *urged/Imperative; and an Instance of an Argument or a Proposition may be

[PEIRCE-L] Peirce's Theorem of the Science of Semeiotics

2019-02-06 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
ts by Peirce that I have cited before as guiding my ongoing inquiries along these lines. CSP: Logic [i.e., semeiotic] may be defined as the science of the laws of the stable establishment of beliefs [i.e., habits]. (CP 3.429; 1896) CSP: Metaphysics consists in the results of the absolute a

Re: [PEIRCE-L] A Semiotic Argument for the Reality of God

2019-02-06 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
er of _." Each of these Subjects is something *other than* the other two, although the different Possibles are obviously instantiated in the same Existent. Wetness is (often, but not always) an *Index *of freshness; paint is wet because it is fresh, not fresh because it is wet. Regards, Jon Al

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Examples of continuity in semiosis

2019-02-06 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
t;quasi-subject") over what he wrote more than once ("Seme" and especially "continuous predicate"), later in his life, in an analysis that he explicitly called "proper" and "ultimate"? Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Professional Engine

Re: [PEIRCE-L] A Semiotic Argument for the Reality of God

2019-02-06 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
orem" of the "science of semeiotics," which I hope to finish soon. Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Professional Engineer, Amateur Philosopher, Lutheran Layman www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt - twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 1:25 PM Matt Faunce wrote:

Re: [PEIRCE-L] A Semiotic Argument for the Reality of God

2019-02-03 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
*Instances. Regards, Jon S. On Sun, Feb 3, 2019 at 4:43 PM Matt Faunce wrote: > First off, please ignore my second from last paragraph in my previous > post, as I didn't flesh out my ideas very well. > > Further comments below. > > On Feb 3, 2019, at 5:13 PM, Jon Alan Sch

Re: [PEIRCE-L] A Semiotic Argument for the Reality of God

2019-02-03 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
ould be acknowledged that one is deviating from Peirce's own explicitly stated views; i.e., that he was *incorrect *to affirm one or both of those propositions. Then the question becomes what ramifications this has for his (and our) understanding of Signs and the Universe. Regards, Jon Alan

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] A Semiotic Argument for the Reality of God

2019-02-03 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
er in your interpretation of Peirce? Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Professional Engineer, Amateur Philosopher, Lutheran Layman www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt - twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt On Sun, Feb 3, 2019 at 8:24 AM Edwina Taborsky wrote: > Gary R > > 1] Just

Re: [PEIRCE-L] A Semiotic Argument for the Reality of God

2019-02-03 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
od a being merely "immanent in Nature," but I mean that Being who has created every content of the world of ideal possibilities, of the world of physical facts, and the world of all minds, without any exception whatever. (R 843:25[4]) In all three cases, the emphasis on "not" is i

Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] A seme is a predicate or a quasi-predicate

2019-02-03 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
esty, I rarely quote or otherwise respond to your posts simply because I often struggle to see their relevance to the subject matter of the thread. Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Professional Engineer, Amateur Philosopher, Lutheran Layman www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt - twi

Re: [PEIRCE-L] A seme is a predicate or a quasi-predicate

2019-02-03 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
purposes. That includes when we decompose a Delome/Argument into Phemes/Propositions connected by a Logical Leading Principle, and a Pheme/Proposition into Semes/Subjects connected by a Continuous Predicate. Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Professional Engineer, Amateur Phi

Re: [PEIRCE-L] A seme is a predicate or a quasi-predicate

2019-02-03 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
te" logical analysis of a Proposition, which throws *everything* other than the Continuous Predicate into the Subject. Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Professional Engineer, Amateur Philosopher, Lutheran Layman www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt - twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt O

Re: [PEIRCE-L] A seme is a predicate or a quasi-predicate

2019-02-02 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
th the verb 'is' in "Every mammal is an oxygen-breathing animal." No, it would classify "mammal," "breathing," and "oxygen" as Subjects; and "_ is in the relation of _ to _" as the Continuous Predicate. The first blank is Designat

Re: [PEIRCE-L] A Semiotic Argument for the Reality of God

2019-02-02 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
ed *those views about God--perhaps even *required *them. Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Professional Engineer, Amateur Philosopher, Lutheran Layman www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt - twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 4:56 PM Gary Richmond wrote: > Jon, list, &

[PEIRCE-L] A Semiotic Argument for the Reality of God

2019-02-02 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
ch reality. It is the *entelechy*, or perfection of being. (CP 6.341; c. 1909) To summarize in the fashion of the famous Five Ways of Thomas Aquinas ... - Every Sign is determined by an Object other than itself. - The entire Universe is a Sign. - Therefore, the entire Universe is determined by a

Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce's Speculative Grammar: Logic as Semiotic

2019-01-31 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
stead throws everything into the predicate. With all of that in mind, I wonder if "Subject" might be another terminological alternative for "Seme," at least within the context of formal logic. A "proper" Peircean analysis of a sentence in modern predicate logic would

Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce's Speculative Grammar: Logic as Semiotic

2019-01-30 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
t Raulien wrote: > Thank you, Jon! > > *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 30. Januar 2019 um 18:33 Uhr > *Von:* "Jon Alan Schmidt" > *An:* "Helmut Raulien" > *Betreff:* Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce's Speculative Grammar: Logic as > Semiotic > Helmut, List: > >

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce's Speculative Grammar: Logic as Semiotic

2019-01-30 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
CP 4.548) and replace the word 'seme' with 'name'. I agree. Are you then proposing the trichotomy, Name/Proposition/Argument? Or is "name" perhaps *too *vernacular to serve as such a technical term in this context? I also have the same worry for "name"

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Signs, Types, Tokens, Instances

2019-01-29 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
imited this to *human* semiosis; it encompasses all that "happens according to Natural Law." Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Professional Engineer, Amateur Philosopher, Lutheran Layman www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt - twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt --

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce's Speculative Grammar: Logic as Semiotic

2019-01-29 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
re ethical than implying that you have a deeper understanding of what Peirce intended than he had. When have I ever made or implied such an outrageous claim? Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Professional Engineer, Amateur Philosopher, Lutheran Layman www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonA

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce's Speculative Grammar: Logic as Semiotic

2019-01-29 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
ever, Dr. Bellucci's project is largely what I call "exegetical," presenting and explicating what he takes to be Peirce's own views; while mine is more "systematic," reworking some of the concepts and terminology with the goal of tying it all together in a perspicuou

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The structure of recent philosophy

2019-01-28 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
a substitute for an object of which it is, in some sense, a representative or Sign" (CP 4.538; 1906). Rather than turtles, it *seems *to me that the entire Universe is *Semes *all the way down. Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Professional Engineer, Amateur Philosop

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The structure of recent philosophy

2019-01-27 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
three divisions? Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Professional Engineer, Amateur Philosopher, Lutheran Layman www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt - twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt On Sun, Jan 27, 2019 at 8:37 PM John F Sowa wrote: > Jon AS, > > > In modern predicate logic, is

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The structure of recent philosophy

2019-01-27 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
John S., List: In modern predicate logic, is the variable a predicate, a proposition, or an argument (in Peirce's sense)? Clearly none of these, so either a fourth division is required or the first one must be widened. In standard notation for modern predicate logic, an upside-down A or E repres

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The structure of recent philosophy

2019-01-26 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
*all Signs*. A pure Index denotes something without signifying anything, which means that it neither is nor has a predicate. Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Professional Engineer, Amateur Philosopher, Lutheran Layman www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt - twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt O

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Continuity of Semiosis

2019-01-26 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
as pioneering, it still has a much broader scope than logic proper--including illocutionary and perlocutionary aspects of individual utterances, as we are now discussing in another thread. Although it would certainly have to be explained carefully, I continue to wonder if using "Seme" would hel

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Signs, Types, Tokens, Instances

2019-01-26 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
ommunication > processes. > > > > Best, > > > > Auke van Breemen > > > > *Van:* Jon Alan Schmidt > *Verzonden:* zaterdag 26 januari 2019 16:50 > *Aan:* peirce-l@list.iupui.edu > *Onderwerp:* Re: [PEIRCE-L] Signs, Types, Tokens, Instances > > &

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Signs, Types, Tokens, Instances

2019-01-26 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
emphasis, punctuation marks, voice inflections, etc.--or if those only affect their different *Dynamic *Interpretants. Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Professional Engineer, Amateur Philosopher, Lutheran Layman www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt - twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt On Sat

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Signs, Types, Tokens, Instances

2019-01-25 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
ul." This would entail that the *same *Type can have *different *Immediate Interpretants, in accordance with the different Tones that its individual Instances *possibly could* embody. Thanks, Jon S. On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 4:09 PM Jon Alan Schmidt wrote: > Jerry C., List: > > JLR

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Signs, Types, Tokens, Instances

2019-01-25 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
sh. At least, that is how I see it right now. Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Professional Engineer, Amateur Philosopher, Lutheran Layman www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt - twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 3:44 PM Clark Goble wrote: > Worth noting that the

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Signs, Types, Tokens, Instances

2019-01-25 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
forms are different Types of the same Sign. Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Professional Engineer, Amateur Philosopher, Lutheran Layman www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt - twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 3:25 PM Jerry LR Chandler < jerry_lr_chand...@icloud.

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Continuity of Semiosis

2019-01-25 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
," so I will probably stick with "Term" unless we come up with a better idea. Frankly, I might end up reverting to "Seme," since it is the most basic of all Signs, and thus the root (in more ways than one) of both *seme*iosis and *seme*iotic. Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olath

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Signs, Types, Tokens, Instances

2019-01-25 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
constitute different *Types*. As tends to be the case in these kinds of classification exercises, I suspect that the boundary between "a definitely significant Form" and "an indefinite significant character" is quite *vague*, such that any sharp lines we were to draw would

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Signs, Types, Tokens, Instances

2019-01-24 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
that particular occasion; i.e., its meaning as its *effect *on a Quasi-mind--which can be a Feeling, an Exertion, or a further Instance of a Sign. Since different Quasi-minds can (and often do) have different (and fallible) Interpretative Habits, different Instances of the same Type can have

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Signs, Types, Tokens, Instances

2019-01-24 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
he qualisign/token aspects?) is a complicated > question. > > > > So I would substitute on aspect level. > > > > Best, > > > > Auke van breemen > > > > *Van:* Jon Alan Schmidt > *Verzonden:* donderdag 24 januari 2019 16:51 > *Aan:* peirce-l

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Signs, Types, Tokens, Instances

2019-01-24 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
instance already all those different letter types > handwritten, printed or on the screen, regarded as the same, already pull > in the direction of a tolerant way in dealing with similarity. > > > > Best, > > > > Auke van Breemen > > > > *Van:* Jon Alan Sc

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Continuity of Semiosis

2019-01-24 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
er, I would not strictly equate a Term--or a Seme, for that matter--with a Rheme, since the latter is an incomplete Proposition that includes the continuous predicate, corresponding to blanks and copulas or unattached Lines of Identity. Regards, Jon S. On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 3:36 PM Jon Alan

[PEIRCE-L] Signs, Types, Tokens, Instances

2019-01-24 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
can (and do) vary widely. The alternative is to say that the written, spoken, and thought versions of "man" in English and "homme" in French are six different _ of the same Type. What would fill the blank here? As far as I can tell, Peirce never coined any such term. Re

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Continuity of Semiosis

2019-01-23 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
ith him about this or be rigidly constrained by it; but it is something that I think we should keep in mind. Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Professional Engineer, Amateur Philosopher, Lutheran Layman www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt - twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt On Wed, Jan 23,

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Continuity of Semiosis

2019-01-23 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
con or an Index; and unlike a proposition, a Pheme can be an Index. A term is a Symbolic Seme, and a proposition is a Symbolic Pheme. Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Professional Engineer, Amateur Philosopher, Lutheran Layman www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt - twitter.com/JonAlan

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Continuity of Semiosis

2019-01-23 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
meaning from "continuum." I am aware of the limitations of my personal tendency to favor the abstract, and will continue trying to develop more concrete examples to improve the clarity of the ideas that I seek to convey. Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Professio

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Continuity of Semiosis

2019-01-22 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
ses term/proposition/argument would seem sufficient. But maybe I'm > missing something here. > > Best, > > Gary > > *Gary Richmond* > *Philosophy and Critical Thinking* > *Communication Studies* > *LaGuardia College of the City University of New York* > *718

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Continuity of Semiosis

2019-01-22 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
ons involving instances/tokens. > > If I'm mistaken in any of this, Jon, I'm certain you'll soon correct me. > > Best, > > Gary R > > *Gary Richmond* > *Philosophy and Critical Thinking* > *Communication Studies* > *LaGuardia College of the City Univ

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Continuity of Semiosis

2019-01-21 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
for the Semes that they involve, and any isolated Instance (Token) of it is analogous to the discrete point where those planes and lines intersect. Is that any more perspicuous? Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Professional Engineer, Amateur Philosopher, Lutheran Layman www.Linke

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Continuity of Semiosis

2019-01-19 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
ich is evidently the kernel of the matter, is no more built out of Propositions than a motion is built out of positions. (CP 4.572; 1906) I trust that the loose affinity of this imaginative exercise with Peirce's Existential Graphs is apparent--Seme line vs. Line of Identity attached to a Sem

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Continuity of Semiosis

2019-01-14 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
, but they must then be conceived as merely the parts of some instantaneous state that is an *ens rationis*; namely, an Instance of a Sign. I suspect that this all comes across as more settled in my mind than it actually is. Feedback is welcome, both on this post and on my previous one. Regards,

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Continuity of Semiosis

2019-01-14 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
hat Universe in its aspect as a sign, the "Truth" of being. The "Truth," the fact that is not abstracted but complete, is the ultimate interpretant of every sign. (EP 2:303-304; 1904) Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Professional Engineer, Amateur Philosopher, Lutheran

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Continuity of Semiosis

2019-01-13 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
uished Tokens occurs within a finite interval of time, reflects the underlying continuity of semiosis--a term that Peirce invoked, for the first time as far as I can tell, later in the same manuscript (EP 2:411). Regards, Jon S. On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 6:01 PM Jon Alan Schmidt wrote: > John S

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Continuity of Semiosis

2019-01-13 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
dispositions of heart which a man ought to have. (CP 2.655, EP 1:150-151; 1878) Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Professional Engineer, Amateur Philosopher, Lutheran Layman www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt - twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 9:13 AM Martin

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