Re: Thanks to All

David E. Ross wrote: On 11/15/2016 1:17 PM, sean wrote: Robert Drury wrote: Just wanted to say I've been using Seamonkey, or its predecessors, for 25 years and intend to keep using it. Thanks, everyone. Agreed! While I was sorta like Michael Dell's Mom early on in wondering why anybody

Re: Thanks to All

On 11/16/2016 12:40 AM, David E. Ross wrote: On 11/15/2016 1:17 PM, sean wrote: Robert Drury wrote: Just wanted to say I've been using Seamonkey, or its predecessors, for 25 years and intend to keep using it. Thanks, everyone. Agreed! While I was sorta like Michael Dell's Mom early on in

Re: Thanks to All

On 11/15/2016 1:17 PM, sean wrote: > Robert Drury wrote: >> Just wanted to say I've been using Seamonkey, or its predecessors, for >> 25 years and intend to keep using it. Thanks, everyone. > > Agreed! While I was sorta like Michael Dell's Mom early on in wondering > why anybody would even

Re: Thanks to All

Robert Drury wrote: Just wanted to say I've been using Seamonkey, or its predecessors, for 25 years and intend to keep using it. Thanks, everyone. Agreed! While I was sorta like Michael Dell's Mom early on in wondering why anybody would even want a computer at home. Once we went on line in

Re: Thanks to All

Robert Drury wrote on 11/3/2015 12:19 PM: Just wanted to say I've been using Seamonkey, or its predecessors, for 25 years and intend to keep using it. Thanks, everyone. :-) Well, not /quite/ 25 years. -- Ed Mullen

Thanks to All

Just wanted to say I've been using Seamonkey, or its predecessors, for 25 years and intend to keep using it. Thanks, everyone. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey

Re: Unable to find sent e-mail in the sent folder Thanks to all of you !!! Problem solved!!!

On 26/10/2015 00:25, Alex Beauroy wrote: On 25/10/2015 20:51, Chris Ilias wrote: On 2015-10-25 7:17 AM, Alex Beauroy wrote: On 18/10/2015 18:59, Chris Ilias wrote: On 2015-10-17 5:55 PM, Alex Beauroy wrote: Unable to find sent e-mail in the sent folder although I have checked in "Mail

Re: So long, and thanks for all the fish

Paul B. Gallagher wrote: JeffM wrote: Hmmm. I've already used this analogy once today (elsewhere). Sometimes it only takes ONE individual to affect a change: http://google.com/search?tbs=dfn:1q=hung-jury OK, so if I dedicate my life to making sure everyone knows that it's Effect change, not

Re: So long, and thanks for all the fish

Jay Garcia wrote: On 16.07.2011 22:15, JeffM wrote: --- Original Message --- Graham wrote: I'm liking Seamonkey less and less [Large amounts of text elided] Whenever I see these long diatribes about SeaMonkey, I note that they never mention the authors' participation in the Release

Re: So long, and thanks for all the fish

JeffM wrote: JeffM wrote: Hmmm. I've already used this analogy once today (elsewhere). Sometimes it only takes ONE individual to affect a change: http://google.com/search?tbs=dfn:1q=hung-jury Paul B. Gallagher wrote: OK, so if I dedicate my life to making sure everyone knows that it's Effect

Re: So long, and thanks for all the fish

On 11-07-19 9:57 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Agreed, it's valuable. But it's incomplete, just as your testing was incomplete until someone using a different-language version tried it. Good example. Code used in Firefox and Thunderbird have quite a bit of automated testing. See

Re: So long, and thanks for all the fish

Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote: JeffM wrote: JeffM wrote: Hmmm. I've already used this analogy once today (elsewhere). Sometimes it only takes ONE individual to affect a change: http://google.com/search?tbs=dfn:1q=hung-jury Paul B. Gallagher wrote: OK, so if I dedicate my life to making sure

Re: So long, and thanks for all the fish

Chris Ilias wrote: On 11-07-19 9:57 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Agreed, it's valuable. But it's incomplete, just as your testing was incomplete until someone using a different-language version tried it. Good example. Code used in Firefox and Thunderbird have quite a bit of automated

Re: So long, and thanks for all the fish

Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Rufus wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: JeffM wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Inviting end users who are incapable of coding or testing is an empty promise. Describe more fully incapable of testing. What I mean is that most end users can demo a program, play

Re: So long, and thanks for all the fish

Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Inviting end users who are incapable of coding or testing is an empty promise. Describe more fully incapable of testing. If the developers want to know what end users think, they need to ask them before the code is carved in stone. This overlooks the scratching an itch

Re: So long, and thanks for all the fish

JeffM wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Inviting end users who are incapable of coding or testing is an empty promise. Describe more fully incapable of testing. What I mean is that most end users can demo a program, play around for a bit, and generally satisfy themselves that it works for

Re: So long, and thanks for all the fish

Paul B. Gallagher wrote: WLS wrote: Some good sources of information on what is going on with releases. Planet Mozilla http://planet.mozilla.org/ Mozilla Wiki https://wiki.mozilla.org/Main_Page MozillaZine Forums in the Build sections. http://forums.mozillazine.org/index.php Thanks.

Re: So long, and thanks for all the fish

JeffM wrote: Describe more fully incapable of testing. Paul B. Gallagher wrote: What I mean is that most end users can demo a program, play around for a bit, and generally satisfy themselves that it works for their favorite tasks. That actually constitutes a lot of data points. They might

Re: So long, and thanks for all the fish

Paul B. Gallagher wrote: JeffM wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Inviting end users who are incapable of coding or testing is an empty promise. Describe more fully incapable of testing. What I mean is that most end users can demo a program, play around for a bit, and generally satisfy

Re: So long, and thanks for all the fish

What fish? I've been using SeaMonkey from the beginning, no fish for me. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey

Re: So long, and thanks for all the fish

Paul B. Gallagher wrote: The point of this discussion is that the vast majority of SeaMonkey users (other than that very small élite who do contribute) find out about feature changes far too late in the process to provide any useful input. If the developers want to know what end users think,

Re: So long, and thanks for all the fish

Paul B. Gallagher wrote: JeffM wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Inviting end users who are incapable of coding or testing is an empty promise. Describe more fully incapable of testing. What I mean is that most end users can demo a program, play around for a bit, and generally satisfy

Re: So long, and thanks for all the fish

Rufus wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: JeffM wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Inviting end users who are incapable of coding or testing is an empty promise. Describe more fully incapable of testing. What I mean is that most end users can demo a program, play around for a bit, and generally

Re: So long, and thanks for all the fish

Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: JeffM wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Inviting end users who are incapable of coding or testing is an empty promise. Describe more fully incapable of testing. What I mean is that most end users can demo a program, play around for a

Re: So long, and thanks for all the fish

JeffM wrote: Hmmm. I've already used this analogy once today (elsewhere). Sometimes it only takes ONE individual to affect a change: http://google.com/search?tbs=dfn:1q=hung-jury Paul B. Gallagher wrote: OK, so if I dedicate my life to making sure everyone knows that it's Effect change, not

Re: So long, and thanks for all the fish

Interviewed by CNN on 19/07/2011 21:57, Joe32065 told the world: What fish? I've been using SeaMonkey from the beginning, no fish for me. http://www.amazon.com/So-Long-Thanks-All-Fish/dp/0345479963/ref=sr_1_1?s=booksie=UTF8qid=1311129552sr=1-1 -- MCBastos This message has been protected

Re: So long, and thanks for all the fish

Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote: JeffM wrote: JeffM wrote: Whenever I see these long diatribes about SeaMonkey, I note that they never mention the authors' participation in the Release Candidate trial/review process. Jay Garcia wrote: What else is required other than to be a user, A critique

Re: So long, and thanks for all the fish

d...@kd4e.com wrote in message news:mailman.2967.1310869475.4544.support-seamon...@lists.mozilla.org... I think you may find Midori a superior choice to Chrome. No spying and much tighter code. I took a look but it requires Python 2.4, which I don't have, and am not interested in installing.

Re: So long, and thanks for all the fish

Philip Chee wrote: On 18/07/2011 12:50, Philip Chee wrote: On 18/07/2011 10:46, Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote: All right, then where does the developer council/ governing body publish the details of the planned changes to be introduced in the next release, so that interested users can make their

Re: So long, and thanks for all the fish

Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On 18/07/2011 12:50, Philip Chee wrote: On 18/07/2011 10:46, Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote: All right, then where does the developer council/ governing body publish the details of the planned changes to be introduced in the next release, so that

Re: So long, and thanks for all the fish

On 07/18/2011 05:28 PM, Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: ... If you're planning to move or take away our cheese, we still don't know about it. Succintly stated! :) We, users, can not influence the product. All we can do is offer our opinions after the fact and choose

Re: So long, and thanks for all the fish

Mon, 18 Jul 2011 18:25:47 -0700, /NoOp/: On 07/18/2011 05:28 PM, Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: ... If you're planning to move or take away our cheese, we still don't know about it. Succintly stated! :) We, users, can not influence the product. All we can do is offer

Re: So long, and thanks for all the fish

Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 18:25:47 -0700, /NoOp/: On 07/18/2011 05:28 PM, Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: ... If you're planning to move or take away our cheese, we still don't know about it. Succintly stated! :) We, users, can not influence the

Re: So long, and thanks for all the fish

WLS wrote: Some good sources of information on what is going on with releases. Planet Mozilla http://planet.mozilla.org/ Mozilla Wiki https://wiki.mozilla.org/Main_Page MozillaZine Forums in the Build sections. http://forums.mozillazine.org/index.php Thanks. More than I can read at

Re: So long, and thanks for all the fish

NoOp wrote: On 07/18/2011 05:28 PM, Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: ... If you're planning to move or take away our cheese, we still don't know about it. Succinctly stated! :) We, users, can not influence the product. All we can do is offer our opinions after the fact

Re: So long, and thanks for all the fish

Justin Wood (Callek) ha scritto: On 7/16/2011 10:05 PM, Graham wrote: Once again, I thank the Mozilla and Seamonkey teams for all their efforts: the web and all its browsers are much better for their efforts; even IE has improved by leaps and bounds because of Firefox. I won't be along for the

Re: So long, and thanks for all the fish

On 7/17/2011 4:24 AM, Francesco Presel wrote: So since, if I've understood correctly, passing from SM 2.1 to 2.2 and so on is like it was passing from 2.0.1 to 2.0.2, couldn't add-on developers usually just put a generic 2.* max version, and still be sure that their extension will work, just as

Re: So long, and thanks for all the fish

JeffM wrote: Whenever I see these long diatribes about SeaMonkey, I note that they never mention the authors' participation in the Release Candidate trial/review process. Jay Garcia wrote: What else is required other than to be a user, A critique that comes as late as so many of these do could

Re: So long, and thanks for all the fish

JeffM wrote: JeffM wrote: Whenever I see these long diatribes about SeaMonkey, I note that they never mention the authors' participation in the Release Candidate trial/review process. Jay Garcia wrote: What else is required other than to be a user, A critique that comes as late as so many

Re: So long, and thanks for all the fish

JeffM wrote: those folks who are prone to complaining *should* be the ones who point out shortcomings **when something can more easily be done about those** i.e. **early** aka **during pre-release**. Paul B. Gallagher wrote: If you want people to comment before something is finalized, you have to

Re: So long, and thanks for all the fish

JeffM wrote: Not complaining about the content; it's the *timing* that bugs me. Michael Gordon wrote: Don't be too harsh on these late posters. Well, as long as they don't get *too* whiney. Some of us will not upgrade until most of the major bugs have been corrected. ...which is a choice

Re: So long, and thanks for all the fish

Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: On 7/16/2011 10:05 PM, Graham wrote: Once again, I thank the Mozilla and Seamonkey teams for all their efforts: the web and all its browsers are much better for their efforts; even IE has improved by leaps and bounds because of Firefox. I won't be along for the ride,

Re: So long, and thanks for all the fish

JeffM wrote: JeffM wrote: Whenever I see these long diatribes about SeaMonkey, I note that they never mention the authors' participation in the Release Candidate trial/review process. Jay Garcia wrote: What else is required other than to be a user, A critique that comes as late as so many

Re: So long, and thanks for all the fish

JeffM wrote: those folks who are prone to complaining *should* be the ones who point out shortcomings **when something can more easily be done about those** i.e. **early** aka **during pre-release**. Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote: All right , then where does the developer coouncil/ governing body

Re: So long, and thanks for all the fish

Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote: JeffM wrote: JeffM wrote: Whenever I see these long diatribes about SeaMonkey, I note that they never mention the authors' participation in the Release Candidate trial/review process. Jay Garcia wrote: What else is required other than to be a user, A critique

Re: So long, and thanks for all the fish

JeffM wrote: JeffM wrote: those folks who are prone to complaining *should* be the ones who point out shortcomings **when something can more easily be done about those** i.e. **early** aka **during pre-release**. Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote: All right , then where does the developer coouncil/

Re: So long, and thanks for all the fish

On 18/07/2011 10:46, Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote: JeffM wrote: JeffM wrote: Whenever I see these long diatribes about SeaMonkey, I note that they never mention the authors' participation in the Release Candidate trial/review process. Jay Garcia wrote: What else is required other than to be a

Re: So long, and thanks for all the fish

On 18/07/2011 12:50, Philip Chee wrote: On 18/07/2011 10:46, Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote: JeffM wrote: JeffM wrote: Whenever I see these long diatribes about SeaMonkey, I note that they never mention the authors' participation in the Release Candidate trial/review process. Jay Garcia wrote:

Re: So long, and thanks for all the fish

JeffM wrote: JeffM wrote: those folks who are prone to complaining *should* be the ones who point out shortcomings **when something can more easily be done about those** i.e. **early** aka **during pre-release**. Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote: All right , then where does the developer coouncil/

So long, and thanks for all the fish

I've used the Mozilla suite from the Netscape days on OS/2. Right up to the end of the Seamonkey 1.x series, it always did what I needed, and I am truly grateful for all the effort that's been put into Mozilla, and Seamonkey in particular. I've tried Firefox, and used it extensively at work,

Re: So long, and thanks for all the fish

I think you may find Midori a superior choice to Chrome. No spying and much tighter code. So, I've switched to Chrome. I don't particularly like it, but I'm liking Seamonkey less and less anyway. Chrome doesn't have all the plugins I want, but it has most of them, and despite worries about

Re: So long, and thanks for all the fish

On 7/16/2011 10:05 PM, Graham wrote: Once again, I thank the Mozilla and Seamonkey teams for all their efforts: the web and all its browsers are much better for their efforts; even IE has improved by leaps and bounds because of Firefox. I won't be along for the ride, but I will keep an eye open,

Re: So long, and thanks for all the fish

Graham wrote: I'm liking Seamonkey less and less [Large amounts of text elided] Whenever I see these long diatribes about SeaMonkey, I note that they never mention the authors' participation in the Release Candidate trial/review process. ___

Re: So long, and thanks for all the fish

Graham wrote: I've used the Mozilla suite from the Netscape days on OS/2. Right up to the end of the Seamonkey 1.x series, it always did what I needed, and I am truly grateful for all the effort that's been put into Mozilla, and Seamonkey in particular. I've tried Firefox, and used it

Re: So long, and thanks for all the fish

While I think some of the criticism is justified, I don't think the predictions are correct. Yes, the transition to the rapid-release train has been troublesome. Not just here on Seamonkey, but in Firefox too. But that happened in large part because extension developers are still getting used to

Re: So long, and thanks for all the fish

JeffM wrote: Graham wrote: I'm liking Seamonkey less and less [Large amounts of text elided] Whenever I see these long diatribes about SeaMonkey, I note that they never mention the authors' participation in the Release Candidate trial/review process. Yup. -JW

Re: So long, and thanks for all the fish

On 16.07.2011 22:15, JeffM wrote: --- Original Message --- Graham wrote: I'm liking Seamonkey less and less [Large amounts of text elided] Whenever I see these long diatribes about SeaMonkey, I note that they never mention the authors' participation in the Release Candidate trial/review

Re: Thanks for all the help you have given me for such a long time!

Charles Milton Ling wrote: Greetings to all! I have now made the change to Firefox Thunderbird, and everything is working beautifully. I shall miss SeaMonkey a bit, but I do think my choice was wise, considering how inexpert I am. (This also means I won't be bugging you in the future!)

Thanks for all the help you have given me for such a long time!

Greetings to all! I have now made the change to Firefox Thunderbird, and everything is working beautifully. I shall miss SeaMonkey a bit, but I do think my choice was wise, considering how inexpert I am. (This also means I won't be bugging you in the future!) However, I will never forget